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A
On
April
13
2023-
and
this
is
the
time
and
place
of
the
any
County,
Planning
and
Zoning
commission
meeting.
We
extend
our
welcome
to
those
persons
that
are
here
with
us
as
well
as
any
of
them
that
may
be
online.
We
will
begin
with
a
roll
call
of
the
Commissioners
commissioner
Exton
here,
commissioner
Ratz
law,
commissioner
blittman
commissioner
blitman
is
absent.
Commissioner
Wickstrom
here,
Mr
Scott,
here,
Mr
Colson
here
and
I-
am
commissioner
Burch
and
I'll
be
conducting
the
meeting
this
evening
just
as
a
way
of
procedure
for
this
evening.
A
The
first
thing
that
will
happen
is
is
that
the
staff
will
present
the
project.
Commissioners
will
ask
the
staff
questions
thereafter.
The
applicant
will
come
up,
we'll
have
about
15
minutes
to
speak
after
the
applicant
speaks.
Then
the
public
will
have
the
opportunity
to
speak.
Each
member
of
the
public
will
have
about
three
minutes
each.
We
will
time
them.
A
A
C
C
C
There
are
currently
no
utilities
on
the
lot
and
a
vacation
of
an
existing
utility
easement
will
be
required
for
the
application.
However,
that
portion
of
the
application
will
be
heard
and
decided
on
by
the
board
of
County
Commissioners
an
administrative
property
boundary
adjustment
to
increase
the
lot
size
is
outside
of
substantial
conformance
to
the
original
preliminary
plot,
which
is
why
a
subdivision
application
is
required.
C
C
A
D
Thank
you
all
for
entertaining
us
on
this
very
short
and
sweet
little.
Two
lot
subdivision
Ms
branding
staff
report
does
a
great
job
of
addressing
all
the
facts
related
to
the
to
the
project
and
I
think
she's
presented
those
really
well
to
you.
I
want
to
highlight
just
a
few
of
those
facts.
If
I
may,
the
proposed
subdivision
meets
all
the
dimensional
standards
required
of
the
zone.
D
The
proposed
subdivision
meets
all
the
subdivision
requirements
as
well,
and
it
has
all
the
necessary
Services.
It
even
has
the
achd
required
right-of-way,
which
hardly
ever
happens,
and
it
complies
with
the
comprehensive
plan.
So
it
really
checks
all
of
those
boxes.
So
the
one
question
that
remains
for
the
Planning
Commission
on
any
project
is:
is
this
a
good
project?
Is
it
a
value
to
the
community
and
we
argue
it
does
for
three
main
reasons:
one
complements
the
neighborhood
two.
D
D
Regarding
the
first
items,
if
you
look
at
the
aerial
photo
and
I
asked
Miss
brending
to
leave
it
up
there
for
you
and
you
look
at
where
the
proposed
lots
are
it
just
makes
sense.
It
looks
it's
a
seamless
transition
into
that
neighborhood
and
it
looks
like
it
should
have
been
there
all
along
at
0.746
Acres,
the
existing
lot
property,
which
gets
confusing
Mr
lot
and
Mrs
lot's
property.
D
D
D
It's
in
the
news
every
day
we
know
it
and,
as
I
said,
this
is
a
very
elegant
way
to
add
one
more
home
to
a
constrained
Market
without
taxing
any
service
providers
and
without
impacting
the
neighborhood
with
regard
to
sustainable
maintenance.
The
lot
family
is
maintaining
a
very
large
piece
of
property
in
a
really
odd
configuration
at
this
time.
When
you
look
at
it,
previous
owners
had
not
maintained
the
property
and
Mr.
A
lot
has
spent
a
significant
time
cleaning
it
up,
so
that
his
wife
can
have
a
beautiful,
very
large
garden
out.
D
There
I
admire
that.
That's
far
more
land
than
I
could
take
care
of
I.
My
quarter
acre
property
is
fine
for
me
as
a
planner.
My
concern
is
that
over
time
an
owner
may
come
along,
that's
not
as
diligent
and
I
can
definitely
see
that
becoming
a
weed
patch
back
there
without
another
home
taking
access
from
Genesee.
D
A
E
Chairman,
you
know
he
could
be
a
part
of
the
applicant
presentation.
I,
don't
think,
there's
an
issue.
F
Thank
you
Mr
chairman
just
is
the
plan
to
hook
the
new
property
up
to
city
sewer
and
water.
A
H
G
We
bought
the
main
house
on
Russell
Drive
in
October
of
2003,
and
there
was
nothing
back
there,
but
a
house
and
the
old
and
the
original
shop
on
back
there
in
the
corner
is
a
smaller
shop.
They
were
all
run
down.
There
was
sheetrock
hanging
from
the
ceiling
of
the
garage.
Apparently
the
investors
had
moved
all
of
the
cars
out
that
were
parked
in
the
backyard,
we're
still
finding
car
parts
in
the
dirt.
As
we
work
through
the
property
and
it's
been
nice
to
have
it
clean
up,
everything
was
dead
behind
the
house.
G
No
no
irrigation
was
set
up.
It
was
a
mess,
apparently
the
year
before,
maybe
the
year
before,
that
we
moved
in
the
irrigation,
New
York
Irrigation
District
had
had
installed
a
pressurized
irrigation
system
from
the
canal
and
taken
out
the
pump
house
and
because
of
our
situation
in
buying
afterwards.
That
was
all
included
in
our
purchase.
So
now
we
have
irrigation,
so
we
set
up
Irrigation
in
the
backyard.
Now
we
have
sprinklers.
G
We
have
pressurized
irrigation
from
that
system
to
feed
both
Lots
because
there's
a
feed
at
both
their
both
areas
and
we
took
a
year
or
so
a
year
or
two
I,
don't
remember
when
we
bought
the
lot.
I
didn't
look
it
up,
but
the
lot
was
for
sale.
The
The
Pump
House
lot
on
Genesis
was
for
sale
and
there
was
a
sign
there
that
said
group
one
so
I
called
them
one
day.
I
said
how
much
you
guys
asking
for
that?
How
come
it
hasn't
sold
forty
eight
thousand
dollars
and
no
one
was
buying.
G
No
one
was
buying
and
the
months
went
by
and
I
got
a
call
from
the
water
district
saying
this
isn't
selling.
Would
you
guys
be
interested
I,
don't
know,
I
haven't
had
time
to
even
think
about
it.
So
we
went
down.
We
negotiated
a
sale
price
on
the
property
and
bought
the
property
from,
and
one
of
the
reasons
is
that
no
other,
no
other
land
owner
I,
don't
think
could
make
a
substantial
conformist
change.
G
Our
original
lot
was
three-quarter
acre,
the
pump
house
is
half
acre.
We
put
that
back
to
half
acre
like
it
would
have
been
without
the
pump
house,
and
now
our
lot
becomes
half
an
acre.
So
all
Lots
in
the
neighborhood
are
half
acre
and
these
become
half
an
acre,
so
it
made
sense
for
us
to
do
it
and
we
tried
in
2016
to
do
this
on
a
lot
line
adjustment
which
doesn't
work.
Apparently,
with
a
rule
that
says
you
can't
change
lot
lines
more
than
10
percent
in
Ada
County.
G
We
didn't
know
that
engineering
company
was
Centurion
was
it
was
the
same
company
with
a
different
name
at
that
time,
but
this
this
is
all
to
be
formal
to
organize
this
property,
to
make
it
a
usable
lot
to
a
buildable
lot.
Is
the
only
way
to
do
this,
making
it
half
acre
again.
So
that's
my
presentation
and
I:
don't
I
don't
have
any
more
to
present
than
that.
So
if
you
have
questions.
A
B
A
I
Good
evening
my
name
is
Valerie
Bridges,
my
husband
and
I
live
at
3930
South
Genesee
next
door
to
the
project.
That's
being
proposed
and
I
have
a
few
comments
to
make
the
Ada
County
zoning
ordinance,
82b
1a1b
would
be
violated
in
this
situation,
because
the
R2
Zone
maximum
is
two
dwellings
per
acre,
and
this
project
is
according
to
research.
We
did
it's
0.96
Acres.
I
Granting
permission
for
this
two-house
subdivision
will
only
decrease
the
property
values
and
depreciate
the
subdivision
reputation
for
having
larger
Lots
in
the
area,
because
that's
very
rare
in
Treasure
Valley
to
have
larger
lot
subdivisions
so
to
us
that
would
diminish
the
the
value
of
the
land
in
that
area,
because
it
could
set
a
precedent
for
subdividing
Lots
in
the
subdivision.
Other
people
could
get
the
same
idea
and
then
you
have
too
many
houses
and
everybody's
trying
to
subdivide
to
make
money
on
that.
I
So
to
me,
it's
kind
of
a
puzzle
to
me
it's
like.
Why
have
zoning
ordinances
and
regulations
if
there's
lacks
or
no
enforcement,
this
project
will
affect
water
availability.
I
J
J
With
my
presentation
and
with
about
10
million
questions
that
I
had
been
this
thing
started
two
years
ago,
they
represent
Ada
County
Planning
very
well.
They
were
very
helpful.
They're
good
people,
I
trust
that
you
have
read
the
stuff
that
I
we've
sent
in
our
side
of
the
story
on
this
project,
and
here
are
just
a
couple
key
points:
Ada
County,
ordinance,
section,
8-2b-1,
c1b,
the
proposed
development
exceeds
the
maximum
allowable
density
in
the
R2
Zone.
J
A
J
K
Good
evening,
I'm
Gary
Riley
I
live
at
3916,
South,
Tennessee
Drive
and
just
had
a
few
things.
I
wanted
to
bring
up
as
far
as
this
piece
of
property
going
in
or
a
house
being
built
on
the
property,
some
of
the
stuff
I
have.
The
audible
is
more
more
taxing
on
our
water
system.
Here
in
the
Treasure
Valley
more
on
the
sewer,
we
already
know
that
we're
trying
to
build
a
sewer
plant
additions
to
the
county
right
now
and
it's
going
to
have
to
be
redone
when
it's
already
been
built.
K
Some
of
the
other
stuff
I'm
thinking
about
is
the
traffic
continue
on
through
our
neighborhood,
which
is
small.
It's
quiet
I'd
like
to
keep
it
that
way.
We
have
plenty
of
children
around
our
neighborhood
that
are
playing
sometimes
even
in
the
streets,
because
it
is
limited
traffic
and
I'm
just
wondering
more
about
if
people
are
going
to
be
adding
more
splitting
their
lots
and
adding
houses
to
their
areas
as
well
and
if
that'll
be
okay,
any
questions
for.
B
Henry
Turner
I
live
at
39.39
Tennessee
Court
I
just
had
a
couple
of
interesting
things:
you're
you're,
developing
a
new
subdivision
within
a
subdivision
and
so
I'm
concerned
that
I
know
that
you
said:
there's
some
restrictions,
so
I
don't
know
what
they
are,
but
anyway,
I
think
the
new
subdivision
should
apply
with
all
of
the
existing.
B
Just
all
Lots
in
the
subdivision
should
be
known
and
described
as
a
residential
lot
and
said
a
lot
if
any
part
thereof
shall
not
be
used
for
commercial
purposes,
but
you've
said
a
lot
will
be
limited
to
restricted
single
limb,
family
dwellings,
which
not
will
not
exceed
two
stories
in
ice
and
then
another
thing
that
I
was
concerned
with.
Is
this
drawing
costs
and
quality
and
size?
Well,
just
to
give
you
a
good
laugh,
the
dwelling
costs
got
to
be
at
least
28
000,
so
I
don't
think
that's
that
required.
B
But
anyway
it
says
the
ground
floor
area
of
a
main
structure,
exclusive
of
a
one-story,
open,
porch
and
garages
shall
not
be
less
than
1400
square
feet
and
for
one
story:
dwellings,
one
story,
dwellings
nor
two
thousand
square
feet
for
any
one:
half
story:
dwelling
yeah,
and
then
there
was
a
few
things
on
this
planet
different
from
the
from
the
original
covenants.
Now
I,
don't
I
said
no
building
should
be
located
on
any
lot
nearer
than
30
feet
to
the
front.
There's
there
are
things
as
25
feet.
L
B
B
It
says
yeah,
no,
no
Village
should
be
near
than
10
feet
to
any
interior
lot.
Now,
no
dwelling
should
be
located
in
in
any
nearer
than
25
feet
in
the
rear
line,
which
isn't
quite
true,
but
that
can
live
with
that.
But
the
one
thing
I
was
concerned
with
it
says:
driveways
any
driveways
constructed
on
a
lot
in
this
subdivision
shall
be
concrete
or
asphalt
and
shall
be
connected
to
a
concrete
curve
at
the
edge
of
the
street
in
a
manner
that
will
not
disturb
the
drainage
pattern
created
by
the
street
and
curve.
B
Now,
presently,
they
show
a
existing
Drive
wheel
that
isn't
really
a
driveway
he's,
got
whatever
some
kind
of
fabric
laid
down
on
the
dirt,
and
that's
it
so
I'd
like
to
see
that
Jesus
are
Incorporated
I.
Don't
imagine
they're
going
to
go
through
and
get
all
of
the
the
covenants
of
the
original
lot,
but
I
mean
all
the
other.
People
are
conforming
to
that
and
they
should
conform
to
it.
Also
so
I.
Thank
you
for
your
time.
Thank
you.
A
F
And
it's
not
a
question.
It
could
a
clarification
because
there
seems
to
be
maybe
some
confusion
on
it,
but
just
for
clarification.
So
the
on
the
R2.
It's
two
per
acre,
two
ohms
per
acre,
but
not
a
workaround
but
but
also
the
other
way
that
it's
looked
at
is
16
000
square
foot,
minimum
85,
foot,
Frontage
and
you're
good
to
go.
C
Chairman,
commissioner,
that's
correct,
so
the
the
purpose
statement
has
the
two
dwelling
units
per
acre,
but
unlike
some
of
our
other
zones
that
doesn't
specifically
align
with
the
lot
size,
so
you're
looking
at
the
general
density
of
the
area
and
so
you'll
see
in
this
neighborhood,
the
Lots
do
range
in
size
from
0.4
Acres
up
to
some
of
the
farther
Lots
0.6
and
actually
across
the
street.
You
have
one
acre
lots.
So
the
general
density.
There
is
two
units
per
acre,
but
it
meets
the
dimensional
standards
for
the
lot
size.
D
D
Miss
Bridges
brought
up
the
dimensional
standards
which
has
been
addressed,
and
she
also
brought
up
the
larger
lot's
reputation.
The
the
lot
that's
created
on
Genesee
will
be
larger
than
some
of
its
neighboring
properties
along
Genesee,
smaller
than
others,
but
it's
certainly
within
that
mix
and
we'll
continue
that
reputation
for
larger
Lots.
With
regard
to
the
water
availability
tripped
over
that
word
didn't
I.
This
will
be
served
by
baolia,
and
so
that
is
worked
into
their
system
and
they
are
ready
to
serve
the
property.
D
With
regard
to
Mr
Bridges
presentation,
he
did
talk
about
nuisance.
I
did
want
to
say
that
you
know
the
definition
of
the
80
counties.
Definition
of
a
public
nuisance
really
doesn't
get
to
the
the
things
he
mentioned,
which
were
noise,
traffic
people
and
less
privacy.
It
gets
more
to
injury
to
health
safety
or
welfare
for
members
of
the
public
and
in
particular,
it's
concerned
about
fire
hazards
and
fire
hazards
from
Weeds.
Even
more
specifically,
as
you
get
into
your
definition
on
public
nuisance,
so
I
don't
believe
this
constitutes
a
nuisance.
D
It
is
a
few
more
traffic
trips,
only
10
trips
According
to
achd,
which
goes
to
Mr
Riley's
concerns
about
traffic
and
also
the
water
and
sewer
again,
services
are
available,
they're
planned
for
they
can
be
accommodated
with
just
one
additional
unit
with
Mr
kerners
questions.
The
original
parcel
still
does
exist
within
the
ccnrs
and
I
have
not
seen
a
copy
of
those
ccnrs.
So
the
provisions
of
the
Ada
County
code,
I
think,
would
address
those.
We
could
certainly
Mr.
D
A
A
E
Chairman
Commissioners
I
have
a
copy
of
the
order.
Pages
I,
think
request
for
those
was
made.
E
Reading
your
emotion,
science,
let
me
pass
those
out
real
quick
for
you
all
right
again.
Thank
you.
Mr
Watson,.
A
A
F
I
would
thank
you
Mr,
chairman
I.
This
is
a
unique
property
in
a
good
way
because
of
the
L
shape.
You've
got
one
of
those
rare
cases
where
the
X
the
access
can
be
from
two
different
streets.
So
you're
not
splitting
a
lot.
That's
going
to
need
a
a
flag
lot,
where
you're
going
to
have
a
dual
access:
a
dual
driveway
access
on
the
same
property.
It's
good
to
see
that
that
the
use
of
infill
and
you
have
empty
lots
in
an
area
and
and
no
offense
to
the
the
applicant
here.
F
But
I
know
that
for
me.
Sometimes,
if
you
have
a
piece
of
land,
that's
out
of
sight
out
of
mind
things
to
tend
to
accumulate
there
and
it
becomes
a
nuisance,
but
this
is
going
to
be
developed.
I
can't
see
it
as
being
anything
but
an
improvement
when
people
drive
down
Genesee
and
look
over
instead
of
seeing
this
vacant
storage
area
they're
going
to
actually
see
a
house
and
Landscaping,
it's
an
improvement
to
again
to
the
property
to
the
neighborhood.
It's
going
to
increase
the
tax
base
and
revenue.
F
There
are
Public
Utilities
to
the
site
that
are
going
to
be
connected
and
again
this
is
one
house
and
and
again
this
there's
because
of
the
the
the
amount
of
adjustment
being
made
to
the
to
the
lot.
The
the
changes
in
the
a
lot
that
it
technically
and
unfortunately
it
has
to
be
had
its
own
little
subdivision,
but
I
don't
see
that
as
being
again
a
problem
that,
if
you're
going
to
build
something,
that's
going
to
be
consistent
with
the
area
and
and
shape
up
that
lot.
It's
going
to
be
nothing
but
a
benefit.
O
I
mean
similar
to
commissioner
Wickstrom
I.
Think
just
this
makes
a
lot
of
sense.
You
know
both
of
the
Lots
will
be
pretty
much
in
the
same
character
as
it's
already
out
there,
and
you
know
similar
to
what
the
applicant
was
saying
about
news
is
I.
Don't
think
one
additional
house
will
be
that
much
of
a
nuisance.
O
You
know
it's
not
like
there's
you
know
splitting
it
up
into
50
homes
out
of
nowhere.
It's
just
adding
one
additional
house
in
a
way
that
again,
just
logically
makes
sense
where
the
alternative
would
be
just
having
an
empty
dirt
lot
actually
like
right
on
the
front
of
the
street.
So
if
I
just
think
it's
a
good
project.
A
Is
with
respect
to
some
of
the
remarks
that
were
made
by
those
opposed
to
the
project
is
as
a
commission,
we
are
not
in
a
position
to
mandate
that
any
particular
contractor
be
used
to
do
anything
with
respect
to
somebody
else's
property.
We
we
appreciate
the
comments
that
were
made.
We,
regardless
of
how
this
comes
out.
A
A
E
P
Chairman
Burch,
so
in
regards
to
this
application,
staff
is
actually
requesting
that
you
table
this
application
to
the
May
11th
2023
planning
zoning
commission
hearing.
It
was
identified
by
a
neighbor
just
a
few
days
ago
that
there
was
a
noticing
error
in
our
radius
notice.
There
was
an
incorrect
public
hearing
date
for
tonight's
hearing
so
to
follow
due
process
and
make
sure
we
we
have
the
correct
date,
we're
re-noticing
the
project
and
are
requesting
that
to
be
tabled
to
next
month,
which
was
May
11
2023..
P
A
M
A
Q
Zc--D-A-Cu-As-C-A-C
as
a
zone
change
from
the
role
preservation
District
to
the
rural
residential
district,
a
development
agreement
conditional
use
accessory
use
for
a
commercial
running,
Arena
and
boring
facility
with
a
caretaker
dwelling.
The
subject
property
is
located
in
the
Boise
Foothills
and
is
located
at
9400
North
Pierce
Park
Lane
and
contains
10.01
Acres.
The
applicant
has
applied
for
Zone
oriented
map
Amendment
to
rezone
the
property
from
the
role
preservation
District
to
the
rural
residential
district.
Q
Q
The
project
also
includes
a
conditional
use
application
for
a
commercial
running
Arena
and
boarding
facility
in
1998,
a
previous
property
owner,
applied
for
and
received
approval
of
a
commercial
Ryan
arena
and
boarding
facility.
A
Time
extension
was
later
granted
for
that
project.
However,
the
applicant
of
that
project
never
completed
the
improvements
or
satisfied
the
conditions
of
approval.
Therefore,
the
1998
application
expired.
Q
Q
The
applicant
is
requesting
for
the
facility
for
the
facility
to
board
up
to
50
horses
in
addition
to
the
horse,
boarding
they'll
have
personalized
riding
lessons
horse
training
summer
horse
cancer,
kids
shows
and
Clinics
and
group
outings
for
schools
and
church
groups.
The
hours
of
operation
will
be
from
7
A.M
to
10
p.m.
7
days
a
week,
the
applicants
also
applied
for
an
assessory
use
application
to
permit
a
caretaker's
dwelling.
Q
On
the
second
floor
of
the
main
Barn,
the
caretaker
dwelling
will
allow
and
employee
the
ability
to
provide
adequate
supervision
and
oversight
of
the
boarding
and
Arena
facilities,
as
well
as
upkeep
of
the
property
and
forgot
gardening
of
materials
in
horses
on
site.
There
have
been
no
Wren
comments
from
any
neighboring
property
owners.
Several
agencies
have
provide
comments
on
the
project
based
on
agency
comments.
The
project
could
be
approved
through
compliance
with
conditions
of
approval.
Q
In
addition,
the
caretaker
dwelling
in
the
barn
will
require
a
building
permit
the
Boise
fire
department
on
behalf
of
the
north,
a
County
Fire
and
Rescue
District
provide
fire
code
requirements
such
as
dead
end
fire
apparatus,
access
roads
exceeding
150
feam
length
shall
be
provided
with
an
approved
area
for
turning
around
Fire
Apparatus
Key
conditions
of
approval
include
the
following:
the
north,
a
County,
Fire
and
Rescue
District
must
approve
fire
flow
requirements.
The
applicant
and
or
owner
shall
obtain
retroactive
building
permits
for
all
unpermitted
structures
over
200
square
feet
and
any
unpermitted
additions.
Q
The
applicant
and
or
owners
should
provide
the
direct
with
documentation
that
the
employee
who
is
living
in
the
caretaker
drawing
is
receiving
not
less
than
75
percent
of
the
employees.
Annual
income
from
the
stable
and
running
Arena
staffens
that
this
application
complies
with
Ada
County
code
and
I'll
Stand
in
the
adopted
comprehensive
plan.
I'll
stand
for
any
questions.
A
Q
So
Mr
chairman,
prior
to
the
applicant,
applying
of
with
a
county
because
the
property
to
the
South
is
within
the
sea
limits
of
city
of
Boise.
They
actually
did
request
annexation
into
the
city
and
the
Sea
of
Boise,
because
there
are
no
really
City
provides
services
in
terms
of
of
sewer
or
water
in
this
area
and
then
the
distance
from
the
existing
fire
station.
Q
That's
in
the
city
city,
Fire
Department,
they
decide
deny
the
annexation,
and
so
the
city's
response
really
to
the
applicant
was
you
know
this
property,
just
the
seed
doesn't
have
Services
really
to
the
site,
and
so
it's
not
really
beneficial
for
the
seed
Annex,
the
property
into
sea
limits,
and
so
the
city
really
didn't
really
mention
the
actual
use
itself.
In
terms
of
of
we
did
transmit
this
application
to
the
city
and
the
city.
Q
A
R
Chairman
and
and
Commissioners
thank
you
for
listening
to
us
tonight,
Brent
and
Connor
Thank
you
for
your
help.
It's
been
a
long
haul.
R
I
am
a
real
estate
agent
and
I
occasionally
help
people
out
with
the
issues
such
as
this,
where
I
see
kind
of
a
hole
and
and
things
Steve
Whipple.
The
property
owner
is
here
with
me
tonight.
They
have
owned
and
operated
Pierce
Park
Stables
since
2009.,
and
they
do
not
have
a
conditional
use
permit.
R
They
are
just
trying
to
get
in
the
property
into
compliance
and
and
give
back
to
the
community
what
they've
been
doing,
but
just
do
so
under
code
and
legally
so
I,
don't
have
a
whole
lot
to
say:
I,
don't
do
this
a
lot,
so
I
think
Brent
covered
everything
really
well,
but
I
I
would
say
that
Steve
and
Liz
run
a
very
I
was
in
the
horse
industry
previous
to
real
estate,
and
they
run
an
extremely
clean
professional
operation
and
and
with
the
density
that's
growing
in
Boise
and
Eagle
in
the
surrounding
areas.
R
F
L
A
Q
A
N
A
O
Yeah,
it
means
again
another
pretty
straightforward.
Application.
Also
to
me
seems
very
much
like
it's
more
of
like
the
cleanup
like
the
applicant
did
say
they're
already
doing
this.
They
just
want
to
make
sure
they're
doing
it.
You
know
legally
and
in
the
right
ways.
So
you
know
the
fact
there
also
is
no
public
pushback
in
any
way,
it
seems
you're,
very
straightforward
approval.
A
Q
Chairman
Commissioners
project
number
2023-00319,
zc,
Dash
D,
a
dash
MSP
as
a
zone,
change
development
agreement
and
a
master
PSI
plan
to
resort
property
around
the
Southwest
Community
residential
district
to
the
community
commercial
C2
District.
Along
with
a
proposal
for
a
future
phase
commercial
development.
The
property
is
located
at
6080,
South
Five,
Mile
Road.
It
contains
2.5
acres
and
is
near
the
intersection
of
West
Lake
Hazel
Road
and
South
Five
Mile
Road.
That
has
applied
to
reason
the
property
to
the
community
commercial
District.
Q
The
purpose
of
the
community
commercial
district
is
to
establish
areas
or
Community
shopping.
Clustered
commercial
activities
along
our
Trail
streets
that
provide
for
the
sale
of
a
full
range
of
merchandise
and
services
required
a
person's
living
within
several
neighborhood
service
areas,
as
well
as
a
rural
trade
area.
The
property
is
located
in
Boise's
impact
area
and
the
applicable
comprehensive
plan
is
the
Boise
comprehensive
plan,
as
adopted
by
AAA
County.
The
Commerce
Appliance
shows
the
intersection
of
West
Lake
Hazel
Road
and
South
Five
Mile
Road.
Q
As
a
community
Activity
Center
Community
activity,
centers
are
intended
to
meet
the
needs
of
a
group
of
neighborhoods
or
the
entire
Community.
They
are
characterized
as
destinations
that
include
grocery
store,
anchors,
marred
to
high
density,
housing,
office
and
service
uses
and
mixed-use
development.
Q
There
is
a
commercial
development
at
all
four
corners
of
the
intersection
of
Five
Mile
Lake
Hazel
roads.
There
is
just
directly
to
the
south
of
the
subject:
property.
There
is
a
McDonald's
and
then
across
the
street
from
the
McDonald's
we
have
a
Saint
Alphonsus
Urgent
Care
Center.
We
have
an
Albertson's
grocery
store
and
a
branch
of
the
Ada
Community
Library,
along
with
the
pizza
restaurant
and
then
on
the
southwest
corner
of
the
intersection
of
a
gas
station
plus
the
Hazelwood
Marketplace.
Q
The
Hazelwood
Marketplace
includes
the
zamzos
Papa
Murphy's,
a
liquor
store,
I,
think
there's
also
a
Verizon
Wireless
store
there
as
well,
and
then
across
the
at
the
North
West
corner
of
the
intersection.
We
have
the
Walgreens,
and
then
we
have
the
Iowa
Central
Credit
Union,
which
is
under
construction.
Then
we
also
have
a
Les
Schwab
Tire
Shop,
that's
also
under
construction
as
well.
Q
Professor
site
plan
consists
of
construction
of
a
7
400
square
foot
retail
store
with
future
plans
for
another
retail
pad
on
the
site.
The
retail
store
will
be
located
at
the
southern
part
of
the
parcel,
and
the
future
retail
store
will
be
located
in
the
northern
part
of
the
site.
The
future
retail
store
will
require
a
separate
Master
cipeline
application
once
the
applicant
is
ready
to
design
and
build
the
second
building.
Q
Q
With
the
conceptual
plans
the
applicant
has
identified
two
options
of
where
the
drain
field
could
be
located
and
in
the
interim
it
would
be
a
designated
in
many
space.
So
this
is
option
one
where
the
applicant
has
shown
that
the
drain
field
and
a
mini
space
will
be
kind
of
in
the
north
east
corner
of
the
project
and
with
option
to
the
drain
field
and
the
amenities
space
would
be
in
the
center
of
the
property.
Q
Years
ago,
the
city
of
Boise
had
extended
Municipal
sewer
outside
sea
limits.
This
provides
a
centralized
sewer
system
to
several
subdivisions
and
properties
in
Boise's
impact
area,
which
includes
nearby
subdivisions
and
properties
to
the
subject
property
a
few
years
ago,
the
sea
emitted
their
sewer
policy
and
that
will
no
longer
extend
sewer
outside
sea
limits
unless
the
property
had
access
to
an
existing
pipeline
or
a
development.
Q
Application
had
been
submitted
prior
to
the
effective
date
of
the
most
recent
revision
of
the
sewer
extension
policy,
which
was
July
22nd
2014.,
the
Afghans
stayed
in
their
detail
error
that
they
would
like
to
connect
to
a
centralized
sewer
system.
However,
they
have
been
unsuccessful
in
obtaining
a
sewer
connection
from
the
city.
Therefore,
they
are
proposing
for
the
development
to
be
served
by
individual
septic
system.
Q
Section
8-48-22
evade
county
code
states
that
new
development
within
urban
service
planning
area
shall
be
served
by
Urban
public
facilities,
the
subject
properties
within
Boise's
urban
service
planning
area.
This
requires
for
the
proposed
development
to
connect
to
a
centralized
water
and
sewer
system.
The
applicant
has
provided
a
will
serve
letter
for
a
centralized
water
system
from
violia.
However,
the
development
is
now
in
compliance
with
Section
8-4a-22,
as
it
will
not
be
able
to
connect
to
a
centralized
sewer
system.
Q
We
have
received
comments
from
the
public
in
favor
of
the
project,
a
nearby
resident
in
Hazelwood
Village
development
provided
letter
and
support
the
project
indicating
desire
for
more
commercial
businesses
to
locate
in
the
area.
The
Southwest,
a
county
Alliance,
is
lending
its
support
to
the
project.
They
support
the
use
of
the
property
as
commercial
rather
than
residential.
They
would
like
for
the
primary
use
to
be
a
walk-in
coffee,
shop
or
restaurant,
where
people
can
meet
sit
and
visit.
Q
If
a
drive-through
is
approved,
they
ask
for
the
utmost
consideration
for
the
nearby
residential
homes
and
they
also
ask
for
the
streetscape
interior
parking
lot
to
be
designed
in
a
pedestrian-oriented
way.
Several
agencies
have
also
provide
comments
on
this
application
as
well.
The
Boise
Public
Works
Department
say
that
sewer
is
currently
not
available
to
the
property.
The
Central
District
Health
Department
replied
that
they
will
require
more
data
concerning
the
depth
of
waste
flow
characteristics.
Q
The
applicants
engineer
has
stated
that,
based
on
a
review
of
soils,
information
available
for
the
area
and
the
proposed
site
plan,
a
standard
septic
system
should
adequately
provide
sewer
disposal.
Assuming
the
site
is
limited
to
two
of
the
following:
youth
users
drive
through
coffee
shop,
auto
parts
store
or
oil
change
center
Brett
Moore,
a
senior
community
Regional
planner
responded
that
the
proposed
commercial
zoning,
designation
and
Retail
building
are
compatible
with
the
adopted
future
land
use
map.
Q
In
the
comprehensive
plan,
the
Boise
playing
and
development
service
department
stayed
at
the
site
is
not
eligible
for
a
sewer
extension
and
they
do
not
support
the
use
of
a
septic
system.
They
mentioned
that
blueprint
Boise.
Their
comprehensive
plan
provides
an
overall
vision
of
how
boys's
activity
centers
can
develop,
but
it
does
not
speak
to
the
sequence
or
order
of
development.
We
also
state
that
ground
level
development
should
facilitate
active
uses
such
as
retail
shops
and
restaurants,
to
provide
pedestrian
interest.
Q
The
proposed
development
provides
the
opportunity
for
increased
commercial
activity,
but
does
not
adequately
promote
the
compact,
pedestrian
and
Transit
oriented
development
intended
for
mixed-use
activity
centers.
They
also
state
that
the
Boise
Pathways
master
plan
identifies
a
proposed
pathway
on
the
Eastern
edge
of
the
site
along
the
Han
lateral.
This
critical
link
will
support
1.65
mile
pathway
that
connects
residents
from
the
intersection
of
Cloverdale
and
Amity
Road
to
the
Lake
Hazel
and
Five
Mile
Community
Activity
Center.
Q
If
the
rezone
is
granted,
they
request
that
the
applicant
should
be
required
to
install
a
12
foot
wide,
concrete
path
for
public
use,
with
the
recorded
Public
Access
easement,
due
to
the
lack
of
Municipal
services
available.
At
this
time
they
recommend
denial
of
the
project
staff
finds
that
the
application
does
not
comply
with
the
accounting
code
and
recommends
denial
to
the
commission,
as
set
out
on
the
proposed
finds.
The
fact
and
conclusions
of
law.
Staff's
recommendation
for
denial
is
due
to
the
applicant
not
being
able
to
connect
to
Boise
sewer.
S
Mr
Danielson,
so,
if
they're
not
willing
to
give
sewer
to
a
commercial
piece
of
property-
and
this
gets
I-
don't
know
for
residential
or
whatever
it's
zoned
for.
Are
they
not
willing
to
give
sewer
to
that
area
as
well
at
that
time,
or
so.
Q
M
So
I
just
kind
of
a
I
guess:
I'm,
not
sure
if
you
could
answer
this.
But
what
is
the
hang
up,
I
guess
on
a
septic
system
being
there
from
an
Ada
County
perspective?
Is
it
just
because
city
of
Boise
saying
no
or
is
there
something
in
out
in
the
Ada
County
code
that
says
this
is
not
adequate
for
what
they
want
to
use?
It.
Q
For
Mr,
chairman
Mr
Scott
the
reason
why
staff
were
recommended
denial,
the
application
is
because
there
is
a
provision
in
the
88
county
code,
and
that's
section
84a22
so
with
Section
84822
identifies
that
if
we
have
an
urban
service
planning
area
which
this
property
is
in
an
urban
Source
planning
area
that
if
we
have
new
developments,
so
if
something
new
comes
in,
you
know
that
new
development
has
to
hook
up
to
basically
a
centralized
water
systems
such
as
violia
and
also
would
have
to
hook
up
into
a
centralized
sewer
system.
Q
And
so
the
issue
that
that
the
applicant
has
is
obviously
the
sewer
provider
is
the
city
of
Boise
and
their
sewer
policy.
You
know
you
know
currently
doesn't
allow
for
the
sea
to
hook
the
property
into
the
sewer
system,
and
so
that's
you
know
kind
of
the
rationale
of
of
why
staff
is
recommending
denial
of
the
project.
E
The
chairman
Commissioners,
is
a
follow-up
to
that.
You
know
there
have
been
exceptions
to
allowing
certain
commercial
zoning
and
developments
on
septics
I
think
you've
had
a
few
recently
in
front
of
you.
So
you
know
it's
it's
a
pretty
airtight
box,
particularly
when
we
get
a
municipality
saying,
don't
do
this,
but
there
have
been
exceptions
made
to
the
zoning
and
they
allow
allowing
uses
like
this.
So
you
know
certainly
something
that
you
could
ultimately
decide
to
recommend
approval
of
to
the
board.
E
It
would
be
their
decision
to
carry
that
forward
and
actually
allow
it
to
occur,
but
in
general
we
definitely
try
to
connect
these
projects
to
centralize
sewer
if,
if
the
options
there,
as
you
pointed
out,
commissioner
Scott,
this
is
a
kind
of
a
tough
one.
There's
a
lot
of
properties
on
sewer.
This
is
directly
next
to
it,
but
per
that
sewer
policy
of
Boise.
It's
it's
going
to
be
a
while
before
they
Annex
the
site
and
open
up
the
sewer
policy.
So.
M
M
Scott,
what
when
was
when
did
to
change
that
sewer
policy,
because
I
just
wonder,
because
this
has
been
stuff
building
out
there
like
crazy
for
a
long
time
now
and
then
suddenly.
This
is
a
problem,
so
I'm
just
wondering
what,
when
was
that?
Oh.
Q
Mr
chairman,
commissioner
Scott,
it
was
around
like
2014
2013
that
they
had
changed
their
policies.
I
think
that
the
first
policy
changes
around
2013
and
they
did
revision
to
I,
think
around
2024.
Q
and
and
what
you
kind
of
see
in
the
area
is
like,
with
the
McDonald's
probably
to
the
South.
There
was
already
an
existing
sewer
connection
there
to
that
property,
and
so,
even
though
the
McDonald's
developed
after
2014,
because
there
was
the
sewer
stub
to
that
property,
they
were
able
to
connect
to
sewer
and
then
even
across
the
street,
with
like
the
Charlesworth
subdivision.
When
that
developer
started.
Hazelwood
subdivision
to
the
north.
That
developer
had
spent
quite
a
bit
of
money
to
bring
the
sewer
line
to
that
development.
Q
And
so
you
know
there
was
a
connection,
obviously
for
development,
with
the
Charlesworth
subdivision
property
across
the
stream.
Five
Mile
that
allowed
for
that
development
to
take
place,
because
that
developer
prior
to
the
Sewer
policy
had
brought
sewer
to
the
site
and
had
had
brought
the
infrastructure
to
the
site,
so
that
I
would
be
able
to
connect
to
sewer.
Q
Of
the
Charlesworth
situation,
so
that
subdivision,
when
the
subdivision
to
the
Western,
which
is
Hazelwood
when
that
developer,
brought
developed
that
solution,
they
brought
basically
a
sewer
line.
You
know
to
Charlesworth,
which
was
the
developer
I
know
in
that
piece
and
then
the
other
Hazelwood,
which
is
kind
of
was
developed
before
the
recession,
and
so
because
that
developerate
had
initial
developer
had
brought
sewer
out
to
that
site.
Q
You
know
that
developer
had
a
right
to
use
that
sewer
line
and
that's
how
the
Idaho
Central
Credit
Union
the
Les
Schwab
Tires,
because
they're
in
Charleston
division,
they're
able
to
connect
to
sewer.
Q
This
Mr
chairman,
commissioner
Scott
it's
my
understanding
that
CA
boys
is
pretty
much
just
fly
out
now.
S
Sorry,
Brett
Brent
I
got
one
more
for
you,
so
wasn't
it
I
mean
it
was
literally
I,
don't
know.
Three
months
ago
we
had
Hazelwood
Village
looking
another
company
bringing
looking
to
do
all
houses
down
a
little
bit
further
on
Five
Mile
and
wasn't
a
Boise's
take
that
they
weren't
really
on
board
for
that,
because
they
wanted
more
commercial
area
in
that
spot
that
they
wanted.
That
Frontage
as
commercial
and.
Q
S
Q
Mr
chairman
commissioner
Coulson,
that's
my
understanding
based
on
the
letter
that
we
received
from
them.
That's
correct.
Thank
you.
A
T
T
Foreign
all
right,
so
you
can
go
to
the
next
slide.
So,
as
you
can
see,
we
talked
about
location
already:
60
80,
South,
Five,
Mile,
two
and
a
half
acres,
just
north
of
the
McDonald's
on
Lake
Hazel
and
five
mile.
T
So
here
are
there's
the
first
of
two
concept:
plans
again
planning
to
construct
plenty,
this
this
master
site.
This
application
includes
a
master
site
plan
for
building
a
and
Building.
B
is
one
of
two
concepts.
T
This
just
kind
of
shows
the
conceptual
build
out
next
slide.
Please-
and
this
is
the
other
conceptual
build
out
we're
considering
providing
for
a
septic
area
on
on
both
Concepts.
T
This
is
how
the
site
is
planned
to
integrate
with
the
McDonald's
site
to
the
South
I.
Think
it's
important,
because
the
Ada
County
Highway
District
has
granted
McDonald's
a
temporary
access
to
be
closed
when
the
property
to
the
north,
which
is
our
property,
is
considered
for
development.
So
this
was
always
kind
of
considered
a
temporary
access
indicating
that
there
was
some
future
commercial
development
considered,
at
least
by
achd
to
the
north.
T
T
So
we've
kind
of
talked
about
that
we
are
required
to
provide
further
cross
access
to
the
property
to
the
north
and
again
these
are
commercial
access
points
that
typically
follow
commercial
development.
This
cross
access
will
kind
of
occur
throughout
the
three
lots,
and
you
know
suggesting
that
this
might
be
one
cohesive
commercial
development
at
full,
build
out
cardboard.
So
why
are
we
proposing
commercial
development?
T
Here
is
significant
demand
from
commercial
users
to
locate
in
this
area
we're
a
little
short
served,
and
this
was
noted
at
the
hearing
that
was
mentioned
earlier
for
the
elante
homes,
the
city
of
Boise
themselves,
to
commissioner
Scott's
I,
think
you
know
question
the
the
city
of
Boise
themselves
say
the
activity
center
at
Lake,
Hazel
and
Five
Mile
Road
has
the
potential
to
serve
as
an
anchor
of
employment
and
Commercial
opportunity
that
is
accessible
by
walking
or
short
local
trips
for
the
residents
in
this
area,
an
opportunity
that
residents
of
the
Southwest
planetary
have
repeatedly
asked
the
city
of
Boise
to
support.
T
For
years
now
we
have
been
told
to
be
patient
that
commercial
development
will
follow
once
there
is
enough
density
to
support
it
with
the
traffic
issues
that
Southwest
Boise
is
already
facing.
Anything
we
can
do
to
make
trips
shorter
will
help
relieve
congestion
again.
The
demand
is
here
for
commercial
development.
T
In
our
experience,
we
have
lots
of
interest
in
this
area
and
we
think
the
right
time
is
now
finally,
a
more
generic
neighborhood
petition,
but
signed
by
by
I
think
over
50
over
a
hundred
I
can't
recall
the
exact
number
right
now,
but
I
think
you
guys
you
you've
boarded
familiar
with
it.
The
dearth
of
commercial
Enterprises
in
this
region
of
Southwest
Ada
County
already
affects
Neighbors
from
miles
around,
who
must
drive
long
distances
for
shopping,
personal
care
and
entertainment,
increasing
traffic
rates
throughout
the
county.
T
T
T
T
Not
only
is
this
a
parcel,
a
natural
for
business,
but
as
the
proposed
construction
would
positively
impact
thousands
of
homes
within
a
short
driving
distance,
Southwest
Ada
County
Alliance
supports
it,
saying
we
do
support
the
use
of
this
space
as
commercial
rather
than
residential
and
the
esteemed
Brent
Moore
of
the
Ada
County
long-range
planning
division
also
supports
it
by
identifying
it
as
a
as
a
fit
for
the
community.
Activity
Center.
That's
very
clearly
shown
on
the
city
of
Boise's
comprehensive
plan.
T
Here's
a
snapshot
of
some
of
the
proposed
residential
development
that
surround
the
site
and,
if
there's
already
demand
for
commercial
development,
we
think
that
this
proposed
residential
development
will
only
add
to
this
demand.
Next
slide.
Please
Brent!
Thank
you.
Brent's
recommendation
recommendation.
We
think
says
says
it
all.
Staff's
recommendation
for
denial
is
due
to
the
applicant
not
being
able
to
connect
to
Boise
city
sewer.
If
the
development
was
able
to
connect
to
sewer
staff
would
have
recommended
approval
of
the
project.
T
So
this
begs
the
question:
why
aren't
we
connecting
to
sewer-
and
the
answer
is:
there's
a
sewer
moratorium
and
we've
tried
very
hard
to
connect
to
sewer
and
the
City
of
Boise
has
continually
told
us.
No,
so
we
can
skip
this
slide.
I
think
Brent,
adequately
kind
of
captured.
What
the
concern
is,
with
the
sewer
moratorium,
kind
of
went
through
the
technical
language.
The
long
and
short
of
it
is.
The
sewer
moratorium
has
created
this
condition
in
the
Southwest
in
the
southwest
data
County
Alliance
area,
so
the
shaded
areas
are
areas
that
have
been
allowed.
T
Access
to
sewer
the
non-shaded
areas
are
areas
that
do
not
have
access
to
sewer.
So
what
we're
doing
is
creating
this
weird
Patchwork
new
development
and
development
that
will
never
be
allowed
to
happen
unless
sewer
is
extended,
and
the
city
in
our
conversations
with
the
city
has
just
shown
no
interest
in
wanting
to
extend
sewer
outside
of
the
moratorium.
T
T
So
it
should
be
noted
that
we
we
prefer
to
connect
to
sewer.
It
allows
more
intense
uses
on
the
site,
such
as
a
restaurant,
which
is
impossible
on
a
septic
system,
and
we've
worked
very
closely
with
our
engineer
to
identify
what
uses
would
work
on
a
septic
system,
because
we
want
to
be
responsible
developers
and
we
don't
want
to
go.
You
know,
go
out
there
and
try
and
get
something
entitled
that
will
never
get
built.
We
think
that's
a
little
bit
a
little
bit
silly.
We
want
to
do
it
right.
T
We've
asked
the
city
of
Boise
repeatedly
if
we
could
pay
to
extend
the
Sewer
North
from
Lake
Hazel
and
connect
to
our
development.
We
explored
a
sewer
easement
across
the
property
of
the
South,
but
the
moratorium
does
not
allow
sewer.
Easements
Mike
Shepard
at
the
city
was
very
clear
about
that
and
it's
written
into
their
2017
addendum.
T
The
property
owner
was
willing
to
sell
us
some
land
but
was
not
willing
to
give
up
any
of
their
street
Frontage
to
allow
us
to
connect,
and
so
what
we've
decided
to
do
is
we've
decided
to
dry
line
the
buildings
in
our
development,
which
essentially
means
we're
constructing
a
sewer
stub
from
each
building
out
to
the
property
line
in
the
event
that
sewer
is
ever
extended
in
the
roadway
that
we
can
connect
immediately,
because
we
would
rather
be
on
sewer.
It
makes
more
sense.
T
Unfortunately,
we
can't-
and
so
the
long
and
short
of
it
is
after
a
couple
of
pre-apps
and
a
couple
of
meetings
with
the
city
to
discuss
this
development.
They
made
it
very
clear
that
annexation
would
be
required
if
we
were
to
develop
anything
other
than
a
single-family
home
on
this
property
and
I.
Think
commissioner
Scott
had
the
question:
does
this
include,
or
perhaps
commissioner
Wickstrom
does?
This
include
residential?
Their
indication
was
absolutely
it
does
they're
not
interested
in
in
exploring
any
variances
to
the
moratorium.
T
T
So
what
can
be
done
now?
Well,
currently,
the
city
has
no
plans
to
Annex
our
property
as
we're
two
miles
away
from
City
Limits,
and
they
do
not
have
a
concrete
roadmap
to
Annex
the
property
in
the
future.
It's
up
in
the
air
there.
We
were
in
a
pre-app
today
with
the
city
on
a
separate
property,
and
they
said
we
do
not
know
how
we
will
proceed
with
annexation
in
the
Southwest
and
so
there's
no,
no
real
clarity
about
when
the
future
is.
T
It
could
be
five
years
or
it
could
be
50
years
before
the
property
is
annexed,
yet
services
are
demanded,
demanded
by
the
surrounding
Community
now,
and
that's
evidenced
by
the
demand
from
commercial
users
to
be
located
on
this
site,
and
it's
evidenced
by
neighbors
writing
comments
of
support.
So
we
think
this
is
a
perfect
time
to
recommend
approval
of
this
project
and,
as
I
see
it,
we
have
two
choices.
T
An
approval
would
allow
development
to
occur
on
septic,
of
course,
pending
Central
District,
Health
and
achd
approval
for
roadways.
You
know
by
approving
this
project,
you're,
not
approving
a
septic
tank
on
the
ground.
You
know
you're
not
approving
the
drain
field.
We
still
have
to
comply
with
all
applicable
environmental
regulations,
and
we
are
absolutely
committed
to
doing
that.
We've
already
engaged
the
engineer.
T
As
we
see
it,
a
denial
of
this
application
prevents
development
of
this
parcel
at
all
until
it
is
annexed
by
the
city
of
Boise.
So
this
denial
is
an
action
that
requires
a
use.
That's
inconsistent
with
the
comprehensive
pelean's
future
land
use
map
right,
Community,
Activity
Center,
recommends
a
residential
density
of
I.
Think
it's
between
10
and
20
units
per
acre.
T
This
is
one
point
one
unit
on
2.5
acres,
the
community
Activity
Center,
recommends
retail
and
Commercial
Services
to
serve
the
crowning
surrounding
Community,
which
I
think
is
you
know
what
we're
proposing
and
so
the
next
slide
I've
got
one
more
slide.
This
just
shows
that
septic,
we
believe,
is
safe
and
viable.
Here
this
is
a
letter
from
our
engineer
and,
of
course,
there's
more
work
to
do
there
and
we
are
willing
to
do
it.
T
We
just
seek
your
permission
to
explore
it
and
we
thank
you
for
your
consideration
and
look
forward
to
our
recommendation
of
approval.
Thank
you
very
much.
Thank.
F
Thank
you
Mr
chair
for
that
first
building
this
can
be
built
at
7
400.
Is
that
good
looking?
Are
they
looking
for
a
single-use
tenant
or
are
they
going
to
go
multiple
use,
multiple
tenant.
T
Chairperson
Birch,
commissioner
Wickstrom
this
would
be
a
single
tenant.
This
would
actually
be
an
auto
parts.
Retailer.
A
And
is
she
the
resident?
Does
she
live
in
that
home?
That's
there,
chairperson
Bert.
She
absolutely
does
okay
and
then
the
next
question
is
there
are
a
lot
of
people
that
were
notified
of
the
public
meeting
that
you
had
to
have
how
many
people
came
and-
and
can
you
tell
me
what
was
said
and
done
at
the
public
meeting.
T
Absolutely
commissioner,
or
chairperson
Birch,
we
actually
held
two
public
meetings.
One
with
the
surrounding
neighbors
within
I,
think
500
feet
of
the
site,
maybe
300
rare
fee
Frank
could
yep
thank
you
friend,
and
then
we
held
another
with
the
neighborhood
association,
Marissa
Keith
and
sawka
the
first.
The
results
of
the
first
meeting
were
generally.
We
learned
people
were
generally
in
support.
T
T
You
know
we're
planning
to
put
a
fence
along
the
north
side,
shrubs
and
then
several
Neighbors
From,
the
subdivision
behind
to
the
East
and
Northeast
of
the
development
showed
up
to
that
neighborhood
meeting
and
they
asked
about
light
pollution
and-
and
you
know,
had
some
concerns
there,
but
were
generally
supportive
and
as
a
result
of
that,
we
actually
added
some
trees
to
our
Landscaping
to
mitigate
any
concerns
with
with
negative
impacts
to
the
neighborhood
behind
across
the
canal.
T
U
Marcy
Myers
I
love
it
60.
80..
Excuse
me:
I've
got
a
cold
60
80
South
Five,
Mile
Road,
my
husband
and
I
purchased
this
property
in
2016
and
it
was
going
to
be
our
forever
home.
We
had
all
this
land,
we
could
build
these
dream
shop.
Life
is
good.
He
passed
away
with
coved
and
that
left
me
with
two
and
a
half
acres
that
a
I
can't
financially
maintain
and
B
is
just
physically
impossible
for
me
to
maintain
that
property.
The
front
half
of
the
property
looks
fine,
but
the
back
half
of
it.
U
It's
all
weeds
I'm
concerned,
especially
at
Fourth
of
July,
when
everybody's
throwing
off
fireworks,
sometimes
I
almost
wish
a
fire
would
burn
it
down
because
I'd
have
insurance,
but
the
pro
the
problem
is,
is
this
property
needs
to
be
developed
commercially.
There's
no
sidewalks
to
get
to
the
shopping
center.
I
have
people
on
horses
riding
across
my
property.
It
just
needs
to
have
something
done
with
it,
and
since
McDonald's
has
moved
in
it's
kind
of
been
a
nightmare
anyway.
U
So
I
was
really
disappointed
with
the
recommended
recommendation
of
a
denial,
but
I
also
want
to
point
out
that,
just
after
we
bought
the
property,
we
received
a
letter
from
Boise
City,
saying
they
were
going
to
annexes
and
we
could
hook
up
the
sewer
that
disappeared
and
they
never
followed
through
with
that.
So
it's
not
that
I
didn't
want
to
hook
up
to
sue,
were
they
I?
U
V
Mr,
chairman
Commissioners,
my
name,
is
Carlos
vidalis
I
live
at
10963,
West
oleana
Drive.
Thank
you
very
much
for
the
opportunity
to
address
you.
I
live
essentially
a
walking
distance
from
my
home
to
to
this
lot
and
I
want
to
express
that
I
absolutely
support
this
development.
I
pointed
out
before
in
the
previous
testimony
that
there
is
only
about
18
businesses
in
this
area.
It's
supposed
to
be
a
community
center.
It
is
one
or
two
in
the
area.
V
An
equivalent
area
in
in
in
Boise
will
have
at
least
20
times
as
many
businesses
as
a
result
of
the
lack
of
businesses.
We
are
all
all
the
residents
that
live
in,
that
area
are
driving
long
distances,
I
keep
calculating
and
recalculating
how
much
driving
we're
doing
every
year
because
of
the
lack
of
businesses
and
I
always
come
up
with
about
10
million
miles.
That's
a
lot
of
miles
for
vehicles
to
be
on
the
road
just
because
we
have
to
go
shopping
to
Overland,
Franklin
and
other
places
like
that.
V
To
me,
this
conversion
is
just
a
natural
thing
to
do
the
the
ones
that
you
were
here
for
the
PG
PG
companies.
Hearing
may
recall
that
they
even
suggested
that
this
lot
and
the
lot
to
the
north
are
ideal
for
commercial
development,
and
that
is
just
what
this
company
Hawkins
companies
wants
to
do
now.
I
am
understanding,
particularly
after
Mr
Mr,
Mr,
I'm,
sorry,
Brent's
presentation
why
the
the
staff
is
the
nine
is
so
recommend
to
deny
the
and
the
the
petition.
But
you
know
the
city.
V
The
city
of
Boise
is
just
simply
saying
that
we
they
will
not
provide
sewer
and
not
allowing
the
project
to
be
evaluated
on
some
areas.
As
far
as
I'm
concerned,
there's
already
hundreds,
perhaps
thousands
of
homes
in
the
immediate
area
that
have
sewer
systems
and
they
do
not
represent
health
hazard
to
anyone
to
the
residents
or
to
the
neighbors.
Soon
a
septic
tank
technology
is
in
all
technology.
It's
a
well-known
thing.
Is
it
proven
technology?
V
Why
can't
this
project
be
evaluated
on
these
merits
and
make
the
exception
that
has
been
suggested
to
the
absolutely
iron
Cloud
regulations
that
there
should
be
sewer
in
there?
The
Hawkins
companies
proposes
to
connect
to
the
Sewer
as
soon
as
it
is
available
on.
Why
wait?
Wouldn't
they?
The
sewers
is
taken,
I
mean
the
septic
tank
is
taken
the
space
and
as
soon
as
they
can
connect
to
sewer,
they
can
put
another
business
in
there.
V
V
So
to
me
it's
it's
a
it's
an
obvious
thing
to
do,
and
so
I
would
like
to
highly
recommend
that
you
approve
this
this
project,
that
you
make
the
exception
that
is
necessary
to
do
and
let's
get
on,
let's
keep
more
businesses
for
the
Neighbors.
I
would
like
to
take
just
one
more.
If
I
may,
yeah
I
have
a
little
bit
of
knowledge
about
the
Lockwood
lot
that
we
fought
to
developing
in
there.
That
particular
lot
is
being
grandfathered
by
the
city
of
Boise
for
sewer.
V
That's
what
we're
fighting
so
hard
for
it
is
the
only
area,
I
learned
a
lot
in
the
area
that
has
sewer
service.
That
is
that
would
be
provided
by
the
city
of
Boise,
because
he
was
grandfather
in
at
the
same
time
that
hesibility
was
allowed
to
have
sewer
So.
That,
obviously,
is
the
reason
why
they
want
to
put
residences
in
there
because
they
can
have
sewer,
so
the
sewer
problem
needs
to
be
resolved.
We
cannot
wait
on
the
city
of
Boise.
Like
it
was
pointed
out,
it
could
be
50
years
before
the
NXT
area.
A
A
T
A
A
M
Yes,
so
I
find
it
very
telling
that
there's
a
lot
of
neighbor
support
here
and
I
feel
like
we.
We
need
to
be
as
a
Planning
and
Zoning
commission.
We
should
be
supporting
the
people
I
get
that
there
is
what
there
are
some
sort
of
regulations
in
place
put
in
by
the
city
of
Boise
and
the
Ada
County
has
absorbed
those,
but
we
see
real
people
here
with
a
real
need
and
their
Alliance
there.
The
Southwest
data,
County
Alliance,
has
come
online.
Supporting
this,
their
neighbors
are
supporting
it.
M
M
Then
there's
going
to
be
nothing
there,
other
than
this
house
and
I
I
thank
the
owner
for
coming
forward
and
speaking
to
that,
because
that
plot
of
land,
even
she
would
like
to
see
something
done
with
it
more
so
than
what's
going
on
right
now
with
it
and
I
appreciate
that
Boise
themselves
changed
course
on
what
it
seems
like
their
wishes
in
this
area.
When
it
comes
to
businesses,
they
wanted
more
businesses.
M
This
area
needs
more
businesses
and
they
want
it
and
Boise
said
that
themselves,
but
have
seemingly
changed
course
because
of
the
policy
change.
When
you
look
at
where
this
site's
going
to
be,
it
just
naturally
fits
at
a
major
intersection.
What's
going
to
become
a
huge
major
intersection
as
they
build
out
Locale
and
all
those
neighborhoods
up
there
I
mean
I,
know:
achd
is
widening
those
roads
up
there
to
four
lanes.
It's
going
to
be
a
big
intersection
and
to
just
have
a
plot
of
land.
M
That,
unfortunately,
is
an
eyesore
somewhat
right
now
because
of
the
unfortunate
situation
that
the
owner
has,
but
eventually
could
become
a
real
problem.
If
no
one
is
able
to
maintain
it.
I
believe
the
company
worked
really
hard
to
make
or
to
work
with
the
city
of
Boise
they've
been
willing
to
pay
for
the
connection.
They've
been
willing
to
figure
out
ways
around
it.
M
I
think
the
needs
of
the
people
outweigh
what
a
regulation
that
is
made
with
people
down
in
downtown
Boise
that
don't
really
know
what
goes
on
in
Southwest
data
County,
so
I
think
everything
was
very
well
thought
out
and
I
think
the
community
support
and
the
neighborhood
supports
speaks
a
lot
of
volumes
because
they
live
there
every
day.
So
yeah.
S
I
love
everything,
you've
said
and
I
drive
this
road
every
day,
I
stop
at
the
Texaco
every
morning,
so
I
know
the
property
very
well
and
and
where
I'm
real
frustrated
with
is
here,
we
had
another
piece
of
dirt
that
was
wanting
to
do
all
houses
and
they
come
back
and
want
more
commercial
and
then
now
we
have
this
piece
of
commercial
that
the
owner
of
the
property
wants
to
do
it.
You
got.
S
You
know
you
got
families
out
here
that
can
utilize,
it
I'll
definitely
utilize
it,
but
doesn't
it's
not
making
my
decision
but
and
and
here
here
they
want
to
want
to
deny
it
so
it's
like
and
and
you're
right,
two
miles
out.
It
could
be
50
years
before
the
annex.
It
could
be
a
long
time
I've
seen
it
I've
watched
it.
I've
lived
in
this
area,
my
whole
life
so
and
and
I
think
it'll
be
a
great
addition.
S
What
I
love
is,
you
know
these
guys
are
still
willing
to
develop
this
property,
even
though
it's
hindering
them
on
a
building
that
they
can't
put
a
restaurant
in
that
they
can't
put
where
there's
going
to
be
a
lot
more
traffic
coming
in
due
to
the
sewer
system
and
having
to
put
in
the
septic
system,
my
hat's
off
to
them
to
be
able
to
make
this
piece
of
property
work
even
with
the
septic
system.
So
those
are
all
my
reasons,
reasons
for
it.
S
I
mean
I,
understand
eight
of
counties,
reason
behind
it
and
and
normally
I'm,
not
a
guy
to
go
against
a
regulation
or
something
like
that.
But
I
think
it
is
a
need
for
this
community
in
this
area,
and
this
area
is
just
going
to
continue
to
grow
even
farther
and
farther
to
the
South.
So.
A
F
Thank
you,
Mr
chairman
I
I,
also
and
in
favor
of
this
project
and
I.
Think
Mr
to
Mr.
Danielson's.
Point,
though,
is
his.
A
recommendation
of
denial
is
appropriate
because
of
the
lack
of
sewer,
but,
however,
with
all
the
other
circumstances
involved
here.
For
me,
it
again
as
it
was
mentioned,
we're
not
going
to
we're
approving
it,
but
Central
District
Health
is
going
to
have
a
lot
to
say
when
they
see
when
they
get
more
information
and
they're
going
to
analyze.
F
Whether
or
not
the
septics
are
going
to
actually
work
there,
but
I
I
think.
As
far
as
we
can,
we
are
concerned,
I
see
that
we
can
go
ahead
with
this.
The
applicant
is
being
responsible,
is
prepping
for
future
sept
or
sewer
in
the
area,
the
lot's
big
enough
to
handle
septic
right
now,
and
if,
if
it
does
get
to
the
point
where
they
can
have
a
sewer,
I'm
sure
that
that
land
that's
being
used
for
septic,
can
also
accommodate
more
commercial
uses.
F
I'm
not
sure
that
the
current
uses
are
going
to
be
a
big
addition
to
the
neighborhood
just
because
of
the
type,
but
so
you
know
there
aren't
restaurants
something
going
on
there
for
right
now,
but
maybe
in
the
future,
but
I
can
see
that
we
can
approve
it
and
then,
as
more
information
comes
forth,
Central
District
Health
can
can
put
the
kibosh
or
approve
their
Pruitt
if
they
choose
for
approval.
Thank
you,
Mr
chairman.
A
Like
a
commercial
works
from
any
other
comments
from
the
commissioners,
I
will
just
add
that
I
was
on
the
commission
when
the
McDonald's
was
approved.
That
project
was
not
without
controversy.
There
were
a
lot
of
people
that
raised
a
lot
of
questions
about
that,
including
light
pollution
noise.
Everything
else
my
recollection
may
be
a
little
bit.
Fuzzy
Mr
Watson
may
be
able
to
correct
me:
I
think
we
recommended
denial
and
it
was
appealed
and
it
was
approved
on
appeal
and
is
that
commissioner
Danielson
is
shaking
his
head.
Yes,.
A
A
N
Q
Chairman,
since
you
guys
did
approve
this
application,
we
both
need
to
table
it
to
the
May
11th
public
hearing
for
revised
findings.
The
fact
to
reflect
your
decision.
Yes,.
M
A
Hearing
the
commissioner
Coulson
second,
okay,
all
in
favor
of
that
please
say:
aye
aye
aye
any
opposed,
please
say:
nay,
all
right!
Thank
you
very
much.
Mr
Danielson
apologize
for
you
having
to
rewrite
that.
P
Okay,
application
before
you
is.
P
2023.00225-Zc
Dash
D
a
dash
V
MSP
applicant,
for
this
is
urban
Solutions
LLC
before
I
dive
into
the
project
scope.
This
is
a
vicinity
map
for
the
property
that
we're
discussing
tonight.
It's
adjacent
to
Chinden
Boulevard,
it's
just
west
of
Highway,
16,
East
of
Star
Road
and
just
south
of
the
city
of
star.
That's
that
brownish
color
there.
P
So
this
is
a
zoning
ordinance,
math
Amendment,
a
development
agreement
to
rezone,
subject:
property
from
the
rural
urban
transition
or
the
rut
District
to
the
community
commercial
C2
District,
there's
also
a
variance
to
request
relief
from
setbacks
and
then
a
master
site
plan
for
a
self-serve
storage.
Sorry,
a
self-service
storage
facility
subject:
property
is
located
at
7015
West
Chinden
Boulevard
contains
8.83
Acres.
P
This
is
a
site
plan
for
the
for
the
property
there
and,
as
I
stated,
this
is
going
to
be
a
self-service
storage
facility.
That's
what's
proposed.
It's
going
to
include
10
storage
buildings
consisting
of
approximately
359
total
units
units
will
range
in
size,
from
the
smallest
at
10
feet,
in
width
by
10
feet
in
depth,
to
the
largest
at
12
feet
in
width
by
30,
feet
in
depth,
and
so
you'll
see
here
that
the
storage
buildings
I'm
talking
about.
H
P
This
one
here
as
well
as
this
one,
these
are
all
the
storage
buildings
that
I'm
talking
about.
In
addition,
there's
also
going
to
be
two
covered
parking
buildings.
Those
are
these
buildings
here
that
you'll
see
and
those
will
be
constructed
to
allow
for
96
total
covered
parking
spaces
spaces.
Each
space
will
be
12
feet
in
width
by
40
feet
in
depth.
Now
the
property
also
includes
you'll,
see
in
the
very
northwest
corner
and
office.
Space
is
proposed,
there
725
square
feet,
and
that's
right.
Next
to
the
main
entrance
for
the
storage
facility.
P
That's
proposed
there's
also
four
parking
spaces
that
surround
the
site
or
that's
around
the
office
and
there's
Drive
aisles
that
are
also
provided
throughout
the
site.
As
I
stated,
the
the
main
axis
is
off
of
a
proposed
collector
roadway.
It's
going
to
run
north
south
along
the
western
property
line.
That
road
is
not
currently
exist,
but
it
is
proposed
and
then
there's
a
secondary
gated
emergency
access
onto
Chinden
Boulevard,
it's
at
the
northeast
corner
of
the
facility.
P
The
hours
of
operation
for
this
facility
are
proposed
to
be
all
days
of
the
year
from
7
AM
to
7.
P.M
there
was
a
natural
Futures
analysis
that
was
required
for
the
master
site
plan.
There
was
no
no
issues
with
that
or
you
know
it
was
not
discovered
that
there
would
be
a
sufficient
detriment
to
natural
features
of
the
site.
The
parking
plan,
it's
really
just
for
the
office.
P
There
meets
the
requirements,
the
Ada
County
code,
the
applicant
has
decided
to
defer
the
submittal
of
a
landscaping
and
lighting
plan
which
is
allowed
for
the
the
master
site
plan,
and
that
would
be,
if
approved,
a
condition
of
approval
for
the
for
the
property.
There's
also
a
variance
as
I
know.
That's
included.
This
is
specific
to
the
the
side
yard
setback
as
you'll
see
here,
they're,
proposing
to
build
a
storage
building
right
up
to
the
property
line.
The
variance,
though,
is
something
that's
decided
on
by
the
board
of
County
Commissioners.
P
P
So,
in
conjunction
with
this
master
site
plan,
is
the
rezone
that
I
stated
now
they're
proposing
to
change
the
zoning
from
the
rut.
Zone.
That's
pretty
much
all
that
area
you
see
in
blue
there
that
darker
blue,
not
the
not
the
teal
here,
but
all
this
is
currently
rut
they're,
proposing
to
change
that
to
the
C2,
which
is
the
community
commercial
District.
P
That's
also
here
across
the
street
in
Orange,
the
property
is
located
within
meridian's
area,
City
Impact,
which
I
have
pulled
up
here,
and
the
area
of
City
Impact,
as
adopted
by
Ada
County,
shows
that
there's
the
Meridian
future
land
use
map
and
the
comp
plan
is
what
we
will
look
to
for
development
and
applications.
So
this
area
here,
as
you
see
the
little
red
square,
is
the
site.
P
This
area
is
designated
as
a
mixed
use,
interchange
area,
which
states
that
the
uses
are
to
be
compatible
with
the
impacts
of
a
freeway
interchange
and
are
not
intended
for
high
volume
uses
such
as
retail
as
a
proposed
use
for
a
self-service
storage
facility,
which
is
estimated
to
generate
108
vehicle
daily
trips
with
19
trips
in
the
PM
peak
hour.
This
is
not
a
high
volume
traffic
generator
as
such
the
comprehensive
plan.
P
Oh
I'm.
Sorry
as
such,
the
proposed
C2
zoning
is
compatible
with
the
comprehensive
plan.
However,
the
mixed
use-
interchange,
designation,
also
states
that
future
uses
should
be
planned
to
integrate
with
a
frontage,
backage
road
type,
circulation
and
development,
where
practical
is
to
be
interconnected
with
adjoining
parcels.
P
So
as
the
facility,
the
storage
facility
is
a
self-contained
use
and
the
proposed
design
of
the
site
does
not
indicate
any
interconnectivity
to
adjoining
Parcels
nor
any
other
type
of
East-West
Road
type
circulation.
The
proposed
use
is
not
compatible
with
the
future
land
use
map
of
meridian's
comprehensive
plan,
as
adopted
by
it,
accounting
and
therefore
is
not
compatible
with
the
comp
plan.
P
This
here
kind
of
shows
the
general
proposed
roads
in
the
area
by
achd.
This
is
their
2040
map
that
they
have
so
the
the
north
south
row
that
I
showed
on
the
site
plan
that
they
were
showing
is
in
the
included
here,
and
then
this
is
that
interchange,
if
you're
familiar
of
Chinden
and
Highway
16,
where
they
plan
to
you,
know
route
Highway
16
further
to
the
South.
P
We
do
have
some
agency
comments
that
were
submitted
as
well
as
one
member
of
the
public
provided
comment.
Some
of
the
key
agency
comments
here
first
off
are
from
the
city
of
Meridian.
These
are
quoted
from
their
letter
that
they
provided,
which
is
an
exhibits
23,
so
they
generally
say
that
generally,
the
land
use
proposed
not
the
highest
and
best
use
for
the
city.
They
also
state
that
a
secure
facility
that
walls
off
access
to
the
east
fails
to
provide
any
cross
access
that
would
be
required
of
any
other
user.
P
A
location
of
the
proposed
axis
into
the
site
is
an
ex
exceptionally
close
proximity
to
Future
signal
at
Chinden,
and
this
is
not
compliant
with
achd
requirements
for
Access
setbacks
at
an
intersection,
I'm
just
going
to
go
back
here.
So
that
makes
sense
so
at
this
intersection
here
this
is
the
half
mile.
P
P
The
parcel
appears
to
be
outside
of
the
star
water
district
service
boundary
and
works
against
Ada
County's
Title
IX
agreement
with
the
city
of
Meridian.
This
parcel
is
within
meridian's,
approved
impact
area
and
the
city
intends
to
serve
with
water
and
sewer
in
the
future.
If
approved,
this
project
harms
the
city's
efforts
at
service
planning
in
the
area
of
Meridian.
So
what
they're
stating
is
this?
This
property
is
currently
not
within
the
water
district
of
star
there's
no
water
available
to
site.
P
As
of
now
as
a
you
know,
there
is
well
water
available,
but
no
Urban
public
facility
for
water
to
the
site
and
then
the
last
key
comment
here
is
from
the
highway
district.
They
just
noted
that
the
applicants
proposed
driveway
location
does
not
meet
the
required
offset
from
signalized
intersection.
That's
the
intersection.
I
stated
that's
proposed
there
at
the
north,
south
collector
and
highway
or
Chinden
Boulevard,
and
so
they
would
request
that
the
acts
has
been
located
further
to
the
South,
so
that's
a
condition
of
approval
that
they
would
add
as
a
site-specific
condition.
P
If
the
project
was
approved,
we
didn't
receive
any
other
comments
from
agencies.
Specifically,
noting
any
other
concerns,
those
were
the
the
main
ones
there.
Staff
is
recommending
denial
based
on
sorry
based
on
statute
of
the
application.
Staff
concludes
that
this
application
does
not
comply
with
Ada
County
code
and
recommends
denial
to
the
commission,
as
set
out
in
the
proposed
findings
effect
and
conclusions
of
Law
and,
as
I
noted
previously,
the
variance
is
not
included
in
your
recommendation
and
I'll
stand
for
any
questions.
Thank.
A
P
Chairman
Birch,
commissioner
Exton,
that
is
correct.
The
the
city
did
stay
if
you
ran
their
letter
that
they
were
willing
to
accept
a
new
design
of
the
property
and
yeah.
That
was
one
of
their
main
points
that
I
believe,
if
that
roadway
was
planned,
to
go
through
the
site
that
they
would
be
more
willing
to
accept
the
application.
Thank
you,
yeah.
F
The
water
on
the
for
the
it's
outside
the
star
of
water
district,
and
so
is
this
city
Meridian,
then,
because
of
the
distance,
it's
there's
a
lot
of
open
land
between
where
the
site
is
and
and
the
next
development
are.
They
then
concerned
about
providing
water
and
sewer
to
it
from
either
star
or
Meridian
yeah.
P
Chairman
Birch,
commissioner
Wickstrom,
that
is
correct,
currently
you'll,
see
on
the
map
here.
The
the
city
of
meridian's
boundaries
are
east
of
Highway
16
there.
So
there's
no
water
planned
in
the
near
future
for
the
site
from
the
city
of
Meridian,
and
so
the
next
closest
would
be
the
city
of
star,
which
you
do
see
just
to
the
north
and
that's
actually
Stars
City
Limits
there,
even
though
it's
in
star's
impact
area.
P
So
it's
this
property
is
right
on
the
line
of
the
two
impact
areas,
but
it
is
therefore
outside
of
stars
water
area.
So
what
the
city
is
getting
at
is
there's
currently
no
option
for
water
from
City
of
star
nor
for
the
city
of
Meridian.
Because
of
that
there's
going
to
be
a
potential
stress
on
the
utility
for
the
area,
so
yeah
they're
saying
that
in
the
future
that
this
could
be
serviced
by
the
city
potentially.
But
as
of
now,
it's
not
available.
F
P
Chairman
Birch,
commissioner
Wickstrom,
you
are
correct.
This
is
not
you
know
a
high
water
usage
kind
of
use,
so
we
we
could
allow
for
it
on
septic
and
Well
for
now
and
then
in
the
future.
As
the
services
come
forward,
then
they
could
connect
at
that
time,
but
generally
how
the
city
sees.
Is
they
want
folks
to
connect
or
have
some
sort
of
will
serve
letter
up
front
when
the
development
comes
forward?
Thank.
F
P
Yeah
and
sorry
to
interrupt
I'm
going
to
enter
in
my
presentation
into
the
record,
as
exhibit
number
I'm.
Sorry
I
should
have
that
number
ready
it's
going
to
be
exhibit
number
33..
Thank.
W
This
is
going
to
mimic
a
lot
of
what
Conor's
already
gone
over,
so
I'll.
Keep
it
moving
fairly
quickly,
so
we
don't
have
to
be
too
redundant.
The
application
before
you
today
is
for
an
eight
acre
parcel
located
on
Highway
2026
west
of
the
highway
16
expansion.
W
We've
received
an
initial
comment,
letters
from
the
agencies
involved
and
we
have
multiple
pre-applications
with
both
Ada
County
development
and
the
city
of
Meridian
staff
slide
three,
please,
the
mixed
use:
interchange
overlay,
surrounds
the
highway
16
and
2026
area
and
favors
low
traffic
proposals
with
mixed
use,
light
Industrial
and
Commercial
uses.
The
parcel
is
about
it
to
the
South
by
a
medium
residential
zoning
proposal,
long-term
Meridian
planning
has
it
just
set
up
like
this.
For
now
my
parcel
that
I'm
presenting
tonight
is
the
Little
Red
Dot.
W
There's
an
irrigation
v-ditch
along
the
southern
boundary
and
the
proposed
site
plan
allows
for
long-term
access
and
maintenance
with
a
30-foot
buffer.
You
go
to
the
next
slide,
please
thank
you.
We're
seeking
relief
from
the
10-foot
setback
requirement
on
the
eastern
boundary
line
and
any
additional
setback
of
what's
proposed
along
that
southern
boundary.
There
there's
a
main
irrigation,
ditch
that
runs
that
entire
perimeter,
so
we've
added
a
30-foot
buffer
to
allow
for
maintenance
and
access
to
that
irrigation
dish.
W
The
site
plan
does
not
provide
any
Landscaping
Provisions
we're
requesting
that
be
a
condition
of
final
approval.
We're
happy
to
take
any
comments
regarding
that
item
and
there
may
be
additional
comments
moving
forward
in
the
entitlement
process,
we'd
like
to
provide
all
necessary
items
at
the
same
time,
post
hearing
next
slide,
please
this
exhibit
comes
from
the
Idaho
Transportation
department's
website
regarding
the
highway
16
expansion.
It
shows
the
relation
of
the
parcel
there
in
red
under
application
tonight
in
relation
to
the
Future
Highway
build
out
next
slide,
please.
W
So
this
is
our
elevation.
Let
me
go
to
the
next.
One.
I've
got
a
couple
here,
just
to
show
you.
We
did
take
comments
from
city
and
county
staff
at
pre-application
regarding
the
elevation
and
the
overall
design,
so
we
did
integrate
those
comments
into
our
our
overall
proposal
of
of
what
it'll
look
like
from
the
streetscape
and
then
the
other
North
elevation
and
the
west
side
as
well.
They
do
match
similarly
built
and
approved
storage
facilities.
W
W
Let's
go
I
think
the
next
one
is
slide:
nine,
so
I'm
going
to
quickly
touch
on
the
city
of
meridian's
Staff
comment
letter
and
one
of
the
first
sentences
they
mention
highest
and
best
use.
W
W
W
The
regulatory
burden
being
placed
on
this
particular
application
is
of
concern
as
Meridian
staff's
request
for
denial
out
or
outside
of
their
domain
and
jurisdiction.
There
are
no
actual
Frontage
requirements
or
cross
access
required
of
the
comprehensive
plan.
The
only
circulation
requirement
is
under
the
domain
of
achd
and
itd
circulation.
Requirements
come
from
those
agencies
and
we
are
in
compliance
with
those
items.
W
W
As
for
design
and
modulation,
we're
happy
to
integrate
any
comments
but
have
received
no
specific
feedback
other
than
at
the
staff
pre-application
meetings
and
we
integrated
those
items
into
the
elevation
already.
We
are
very
prepared
to
respond
and
comply
with
any
Landscaping
requirements
of
itd
and
Nevada
County.
W
Can
we
go
back
up
to
slide
three,
please
the
exhibit
shows.
Thank
you.
There's
a
I
have
a
lot
of
slides,
so
I
wanna
I'm,
a
I'm,
a
very
visual
person.
I
think
a
picture
says
a
thousand
words.
The
exhibit
shows
the
adjacent
zoning
designation.
One
more.
Please
go
up
further
to
the
you're
gonna
go
up.
I'm
gonna
go
on.
P
W
W
This
parcel
and
my
subject:
property
there
in
green.
The
parcel
in
purple
is
an
office
building
called
a
Meridian
Research
Park.
It
is
a
10
Acre
Site.
It
currently
employs
over
50
full-time
employees
and
has
been
operating
on
its
own
well
and
septic
system
until
it
connects
to
the
adjoining
parcel
to
the
east.
W
W
We
scroll
to
the
next
slide,
please
so
you
can
see
how
close
it
is
to
the
2026
and
Highway
16
interchange,
it
extremely
close,
in
fact,
and
yet
it's
larger
than
ours.
It
employs
people
full-time
during
the
day,
more
traffic
and
it's
operating
on
its
own
well
and
septic
system.
So
we
find
that
a
precedent
has
been
set
already
for
this
type
of
program,
and
we
thought
this
was
a
great
example
to
bring
to
everyone's
attention
tonight,
based
on
that
mixed-use
interchange
overlay.
That
is
so
restrictive.
W
Next
slide.
Please
this
is
what
the
building
looks
like
gorgeous,
building
by
the
way
I've
driven
by
it
a
thousand
times
fairly
busy
parking
lot
during
the
day.
W
I
did
a
little
homework
on
the
site
itself
and
and
50
full-time
employees
every
day.
So
next
slide,
please,
if
you
would
so.
This
is
our
subject:
property
in
the
future
land
use
map.
You
can
go
to
the
next
slide
and
this
is
the
adjoining.
So
you
can
see
how
much
closer
it
is
and
how
much
further
we
are
away
from
the
highway.
16
interchange.
W
A
P
Commissioners
yeah
come
here,
I'm
just
going
to
enter
in
Miss
Hart's
presentation
here,
as
exhibit
number
it's
going
to
follow.
Mine
I
already
lost
the
number
exhibit
number
34.
A
W
Chairman
commissioner
Axton,
of
course
that
was
a
discussion
at
the
staff
comment,
meeting,
long
story,
short
and
and
Connor
correct
me.
If
I'm
misconstruing,
this
The
Collector
is
a
requirement
of
achd,
but
Don
also
suggested
that
the
office
be
moved
further
back
from
the
signal
itself,
the
signal
was
a
little
bit
of
news
to
us
at
first.
We
were
not
prepared
for
that
piece
of
information.
It
was
new
at
the
time
of
the
proposed
site
plan.
We
drew
it
not
knowing
that
signal
was
coming.
W
F
Sorry
I'm
trying
to
figure
out
how
to
phrase
this.
So
in
your
comparison
with
the
the
other
industrial
use,
that's
there
on
east
of
16..
It's
just
that
they're,
a
commercial
use
closer
to
the
highway
and
freeway
than
you
are
now
I.
Can
you
just
recap:
what
was
your
point
in
comparing
your
property
to
that
one.
W
Commissioner,
at
chairman,
excuse
me
and
commissioner
Wickstrom.
Yes,
the
reason
this
example
it
dawned
on
me
about
six
months
ago,
when
I
was
driving
by
the
initial
staff.
Comments
from
the
city
of
Meridian
were
particularly
host
to
this
application
because
of
septic
and
water,
which
we
were
happy
to
provide.
They.
They
were
very
concerned
about
setting
a
precedent
with
water
and
septic
versus
connecting
to
city
services
when
they
arrive,
which
we
are
not
opposed
to
doing.
W
W
Oh,
my
gosh
there
there's
nothing
around
that
for
them
to
connect
to
so
I
did
a
little
homework,
and
not
only
that
the
city
of
meridian's
comments
were
about
traffic
and
we
have
to
provide
a
lot
of
circulation,
but
an
eight
acre
parcel
should
not
be
required
to
provide
circulation
for
the
entire
area.
There's
nothing
for
us
to
connect
to
right.
Now,
there's
nothing
to
the
South.
There
are
no
applications
around
us
within
a
mile,
I
believe
Connor
and
I
had
the
conversation
about
two
weeks
ago,
because
I
wanted
to
check.
W
If
there
was
anyone
coming
in
behind
us.
So
I
had
good
information
for
you
here
tonight.
So
the
real
reason
I
brought
that
up
was
because
a
you've
got
50
full-time
employees
day
to
day.
That
is
a
traffic
count.
There
is
well
in
septic
on
site,
they're
operating
just
fine
and
they
are
connecting
to
city
services
when
they
come
and
all
I
saw
was
one
collector
wrote
there
as
well.
So
it's
a
great
example
of
something
that
can
be
done.
That
can
be
done
well.
That
can
be
done
very
good
good.
W
Looking
for
the
area,
it's
a
beautiful
building
and
they
pulled
it
off
very,
very
nicely.
So
to
me
that
was
just
a
really
really
good
example
of
what
we
could
model
on
our
parcel
being
smaller,
not
having
any
employees.
Frankly,
we
plan
on
being
fully
automated
if
I
get
my
way,
I
don't
have
to
be
there
every
day
and
we're
not
impacting
the
area
with
a
very
high
traffic
count,
we're
not
an
apartment.
W
F
U
F
L
Right
just.
M
One
quick
question:
so
one
of
the
Hang-Ups
that
Meridian
had
is
on
the
landscaping,
and
you
kind
of
talked
about
you'd
be
willing
to
do
landscaping
in
a
manner
that
would
be
more
appropriate
or
they'd
be
happier
with
is.
Do
you
know
what
exactly
their
their
issues
with
the
Landscaping
is
with
that
buffer
for
the
septic
and
everything
like
that,
and
is
that
something
you're
willing
to
work
with
the
city
of
Meridian
to
potentially
enhance
the
Landscaping
out
there
so
that
it
it
meets
more
of
their
intent
on
what
they
want
for
landscaping.
W
Chairman
commissioner
Scott,
we
are
very
open
to
any
and
all
Landscaping
comments.
We've
not
received
any
to
date
that
buffer
along
Chinden
is
in
the
itd
right-of-way,
we're
anticipating
some
restrictions
and
some
very
specific
requirements
from
them,
as
well
as
the
county
and
happy
to
take
any
of
meridian's
comments
as
well.
A
O
So
since
the
master
site
plan
is
tied
to
this,
application
in
general,
just
make
sure
I'm
understanding
everything
correctly
as
well
with
the
potential
moving
of
the
access
from
the
collector.
Is
that
something
that.
O
Like
what
is
this,
if
this
gets
approved
today
and
then
goes
to
the
boarding
gets
approved,
is
the
master
site
plan?
That's
in
this
application
like
what
is
set
in
stone,
then,
or
would
it
be
potentially
best
I,
don't
know
if,
like
this
getting
too
technical,
would
it
be
better
potentially
table
to
see
what
they
can
do,
working
with
achg
and
ITT
about
the
new
access,
since
it
was
kind
of
a
you
know,
ASAP
can
send
more
of
that
last
minute
like
oh,
this
is
a
thing
I,
don't
even
know.
P
P
E
There's
a
couple
ways
you
go
about
it.
You
know
this
ultimately
has
to
get
final
approval
by
the
board,
so
you
could
send
it
forth
with
a
recommendation
to
update
the
master
site
plan.
You
know
the
board
could
take
that
up
and
require
that
as
well
and
table
it
at
that
point.
To
have
them
go
hammer
this
out.
E
If
you
feel
like
you
need
to
have
a
better
idea
of
what
that
looks
like
at
this
point,
you
could
table
it
and
have
them
go
kind
of
work
that
out
with
Marine
as
well,
so
you
kind
of
have
both
ways
to
go
about
it
and
then
and
I
think
that's
particularly
important
to
like
location
of
buildings
and
things
like
that
which
can't
be
easily
adjusted
by
staff.
E
Landscaping
lighting
things
like
that,
we
can
do
as
a
deferred
submittal
down
the
line.
We
would
need
all
that
kind
of
finalized
before
the
development
agreement
is
ultimately
recorded
or
signed,
but
in
this
case
yeah
you
could,
if,
if
it
was
the
will
of
the
commission
to
table
this
for
a
month
or
whatever
to
have
them,
go
work
it
out
with
those
agencies.
E
If
that's
possible-
and
you
could
see
the
updates,
we
could
do
that
or
if
you
just
want
to
push
it
along
to
the
board
and
have
them
kind
of
hammer
out
those
details
you
could
you
could
do
that.
So
it's
really.
You
can
go
both
ways.
O
And
then
kind
of
a
follow-up
to
that
as
well.
If
I
can
really
quick
with
our
conditions
of
approval,
they
typically
always
say
like
follow
all
conditions
of
like
achd
things
like
that
would,
even,
though,
that's
very
vague
as
a
condition
like
a
blanket
thing,
if
achg
made
it
like
one
of
their
conditions
of
like
you
have
to
adjust
this,
they
would
have
to
do
that.
No
matter
what,
like,
we
said,
or
the
board
actually
said,
correct,.
E
H
E
Was
approved
so
if
we
had
an
outstanding
issue
with
achd
and
we
saw
the
board
heading
towards
say
an
ultimate
approval,
we
would
bring
that
to
their
attention
and
say
they
still
need
to
go
resolve
this.
So
we
encourage
you
to
table
until
that's
wrapped
up
so
that
we
can
integrate
that
into
the
final
approval
documents.
Perfect.
A
M
P
Chairman
Birch,
commissioner
Scott
I
do
not
believe
they
provided
a
definition,
nor
do
we
they're
they're,
basically
coming
at
based
on
what
was
submitted
and
what
the
reviewing
they
don't
believe
that
that
is
the
highest
and
best
use
for
that
land
use
designation
of
mixed
use,
interchange.
So
no,
we
don't
have
a
a
definition
that
I'm
aware
of.
P
No
chairman
Birch,
commissioner
Scott,
know
how
it's
done
is
within
the
comp
plan.
They
have
the
mixed
use,
interchange
designation,
so
they
do
provide
a
multitude
of
different
uses
that
could
go
there.
Research
Park
is
one
of
them
post
office,
Library,
School,
light
industrial,
so
those
are
all
multiple
different
use
types
that
could
go
there,
but
that's
more
of
a
future
Focus.
P
M
Right,
yeah
I
mean
I,
just
I've
read
their
letter
a
couple
times
and
they
have
a
lot
of
like
vague
but
I'm.
Just
so
I
just
wondering
if
we
had
previous
definitions.
So
no
that's
that's
fine
and
then
just
one
final
question
just
what
what
do
they
mean
by
walls
off
access
to
the
I
mean
when
you,
when
they're
talking
about
walls,
have
access
to
those
rows?
I,
don't
understand
what
they
mean.
P
Chairman
Birch,
commissioner
Scott,
so
I
pulled
up
the
site
plan
again
for
my
presentation.
What
I
believe
they're
getting
at
is
this
site.
It's
a
self-service
storage
facility.
So,
as
you
can
see
like
I'm
on
the
eastern
boundary
here,
they
have
units
proposed.
You
know,
along
the
the
boundary
line,
so
they're
saying
that,
because
they're
proposing
to
build
right
up
to
the
property
line,
there's
no
connection
to
to
the
east
for
future
potential
projects.
That
would
come
forth.
That
would
be
in
that
mixed-use
interchange
area.
A
W
Thank
you
happy
to
work
with
achd
conditions
of
final
approval.
We
do
that
every
day
we
have
a
great
relationship
with
those
folks.
Typically,
that's
done
prior
to
the
stamp
of
the
construction
drawings.
When
the
final
plot
is
approved
before
we
pre-con
when
Meridian
defines
an
area
on
one
hand,
we
want
low
traffic.
W
W
My
job
is
to
make
sure
that
that
happens.
If
the
buyer
likes
the
home
and
the
client
is
happy,
that's
what
matters
to
me
so
I'm
going
to
bring
that
type
of
energy.
To
this
conversation,
if
staff
don't
like
the
application
highest
and
best
use,
is
then
the
card
that
we're
going
to
play
and
that's
a
really
really
gray
area,
and
that
makes
things
really
hard
to
do
when
you're
trying
to
get
work
done.
So
that's
my
only
comment
there
regarding
the
highest
and
best
use.
W
We
think
storage
is
probably
one
of
the
lowest
traffic
applications
you
can
see.
I
could
not
sure
I
could
think
of
one
that
has
less
traffic
but
again
happy
to
work
with
the
Ada
County
Highway
District
happy
to
make
adjustments
on
Landscaping.
Those
things
are
really
really
simple.
Thank
you.
A
E
O
Based
upon
the
findings,
effective
conclusions
of
law
contained
here
and
in
the
testimony
from
the
public
hearing,
I
would
like
to
move
to
recommend
approval
and
approval
of
project,
202-300-225,
z,
c
d,
a
v
MSP
to
the
board
and
table
until
the
May
11th
meeting
for
revised
findings
and
also
direct
the
applicant
to
work
with
achg
for
an
updated
Master
site
plan
to
meet
all
of
their
conditions
and
concerns.
Thank.
M
O
Sure
yeah
I
mean
I
think
similar
to
the
maps
that
were
shown.
This
is
like
On,
The
Fringe
of
that
interchange,
overlay,
District
thing,
so
I
think
it
is
kind
of
that
gray
area
where
it
might
not
fit
100,
but
it's
on
The
Fringe
of
it
I
think
that's
where
we,
you
can
kind
of
look
at
it
more.
You
know
50
000,
foot,
View
and
see
okay,
but
is
this
still
good
use?
Will
this
still
work
in
this
area
and
I
think
a
use
like
this?
O
Will
you
know
give
it
similar
to
applicants
comments
about
the
connectivity
again,
there's
nothing
to
the
South
really
to
connect
to
besides
a
field
so
I
think
at
this
moment
you
know
the
connectivity.
O
You
know
I
think
that
is
a
little
bit
more.
That
can
be
sorted
out
in
the
future
when
other
areas
around
it
also
get
developed-
and
you
know
with
a
use
like
this
I
personally,
can
see
why
there
wouldn't
be
a
road
running
through
it
to
connect
it
east
west,
because
that
kind
of
defeats,
the
purpose
of
a
self-contained
storage
facility
and
I
agree
like
very
low
traffic.
O
You
know
similar
to
Other
Self
Storage
facilities,
we've
seen
lately,
where
they've
been
just
very
solid
applications
all
together
and
I,
do
think.
The
comments
from
Meridian
were
a
little
bit
intentionally
vague
per
se,
because
you
know
again
what
is
best
to
use
for
this
area
actually
mean
when
they
don't
provide
that
alternative
example,
because
I
know
Boise
will
sometimes
do
that
when
they
don't
like
the
use
of
something,
especially
in
that
Southwest
Ada,
County
area.
O
M
M
We're
here
for
a
reason:
I
don't
want
to
be
like
kicking
things
up
to
the
the
Board
of
Commissioners
that
isn't
fully
vetted
so
I
like
the
the
tabling
portion
of
it
it's
because
they
said
yes,
we
can
work
with
the
the
achd
on
moving
the
building
and
that
that
means
that
a
lot
of
the
the
site
changes
completely.
So.
V
M
Would
require
us
to
kind
of
relook
what
those
changes
are
if
they
do
would
decide
to
change
where
the
entry
and
exit
is
things
like
that.
I
just
think
that
I'm
just
not
a
prepared
to
blanket,
deny
because
I
think
like
like,
like
he
said
over
there,
it
was
meridian's
being
very
vague,
but
I'm
not
discounting
their
their
opinion.
I.
Just
think
that
we
I
just
think
we
need
more
information
and
I.
Think
we
need
a
table
would
be
a
good
idea
for
this,
so
we
can
get
more.
M
Maybe
they
can
come
to
a
greater
understanding.
Maybe
city
of
Meridian
just
doesn't
know
the
total
plan
entirely
and
would
and
needs
to
see
their
landscape
plan
and
achd
needs
to
see
that
they
might
move
their
building
to
make
it
more
within
their
achg
rules
for
distance
from
the
the
light
and
things
like
that,
so
that.
K
A
Feel
like
I
need
to
get
some
clarity,
I,
believe
that
commissioner
exton's
motion
was
approval
and
that
the
reason
for
tabling
was
for
staff
to
be
able
to
revise
their
report
and
bring
it
back
with
a
recommendation
for
approval
rather
than
denial,
and
so
my
understanding
from
commissioner
exton's
motion
was
not
tabling
the
entire
matter,
but
approving
the
matter
with
the
limited
qualification
that
it
has
to
come
back
next
month
to
have
the
report
revised.
Does
that
does
that
change?
Your
second
would.
A
E
I
I
think
I
to
recapture
what
commissioner
Burch
has
tried
to
summarize
I
heard
an
approval,
but
I
heard
go
figure
out
some
design
stuff
with
the
transportation
agencies
and
then
I
heard
you
saying
I
want
you
to
go
figure
out
some
stuff:
the
transportation
agencies
but
you're,
not
necessarily
approving.
Yet
you
kind
of
want
to
see
that
before
you
recommend
approval.
M
M
A
F
This
is
it
it
probably
this
this
site
works
out
well,
in
that
it's
it
does,
provide
the
the
least
amount
of
traffic
volume
that
you
could
ask
for.
As
far
as
the
city
Meridian
not
saying
it's
the
highest
and
be
best
used,
it
probably
isn't
the
highest
and
best
use
it's
the
highest
and
best
use
is
the
best
economic
use
basically
has
to
be
legal,
has
to
be
physically
possible
and
financially
feasible
in
order
to
be
the
highest
and
best
used,
so
they
may
Envision
some
more
intensive
use,
something
more
commercial,
industrial
and
research.
F
You
know
Center
something
like
that
where
there's
just
a
lot
more
activity,
but
that
being
said,
though
again
it
does
meet
that
criteria.
That
would
be
important
to
have
a
low
low
volume
of
traffic.
Also,
it's
got
to
be
use
right
now
they
don't
have
water
or
sewer
out
there,
so
they're
going
to
need
well
water
and
septic,
and
this
would
fit
with
that
use
that
there
are
some
things
that
need
to
be
worked
out
with
achd.
As
far
as
the
entrance.
F
F
But
again
that's
something
that
can
be
worked
out
and
also
see.
This
is
kind
of
they're
kind
of
used
that
if
there's
going
to
be
residential
not
too
far
to
the
South,
this
will
act
as
a
a
good
buffer
between
that
Highway
and
and
those
residential
uses
that
are
planned
for
the
future.
So
in
that.
F
A
S
Yeah
I
mean
I'm
in
I'm
in
favor
of
the
project,
I
think
it's
a
good
spot
for
it
I
think
it's
a
good
place
for
it
where
I'm
concerned
about
is
again
our
job
as
as
Commissioners
is
to
try
to
keep
it
as
easy.
As
going
for
the
Commissioners,
the
elected
Commissioners
and
to
me
I
just
would
like
to
see
more
information.
S
I
would
like
to
see
a
better
site
plan
with
the
Landscaping
plan,
with
you
know
more
of
a
full
package
of
my
opinion
before
it
goes
up
above
us
because
I'm
afraid
what
will
happen
is
if
we
do
approve
this
and
I
know
you
guys
are
going
to
work
with
them
on
landscaping
and
stuff,
like
that,
I'm
afraid
that
it'll
get
up
to
them
and
they
will
table
it
to
see
more
information.
That's
my
concern.
M
A
O
Since
no
matter
what
this
is
going
to
be
reviewed
by
the
full
board,
no
matter
like
because
all
we're
doing
with
this
is
recommending
and
I
feel
confident
in
the
applicant
that
any
adjustments
to
the
entrance
won't
dramatically
alter
the
master
site
plan,
which
is
why
I
felt
comfortable,
saying
yes
to
the
master
site
plan
as
it
is
now,
knowing
that
the
entrance
will
very
likely
be
moved.
F
Journey,
thank
you
Mr
chairman
well
in
in
that
case,
and
this
makes
sense,
but
commercial
call
someone
would
you
be
comfortable.
It
may
be
making
an
amendment
to
the
motion
to.
S
Yeah
I
think
that
would
help
a
ton.
To
be
honest,
I
mean
it'd,
give
everybody
a
more
visual
I
mean
when
I'm
normally
seeing
Master
sight
plans
you're,
seeing
all
the
landscape,
the
bushes
you're,
seeing
how
how
much
it
is
and
and
I
think
that
would
also
help
Meridian
a
lot
I'm
just
I'm.
Just
trying
to
save
time
for
the
Committees
is,
is
what
I'm
looking
at
I
know
we'll
have
to
see
it
again
if
we
table
it,
but.
S
A
A
Commissioner
russelloff
was
seconded,
so
is
there
discussion?
Would
you
like?
Have
we
already
beaten
this
into
that.
O
F
Think,
along
with
commissioner
Coulson
today
that
I
think
you're
right,
we
do
need
to
send
something
clean
and
not
with
a
lot
of
loose
ends
when
we
send
it
to
Commissioners
and
because
it
just
shows.
Maybe
we
haven't
done
our
due
diligence
here.
So
I
I
agree
with
the
table
and
get
some
of
those
finer
points
worked
out
that
are
fairly
easy.
I
think
to
to
address
the
Landscaping
in
the
entrance
seems
to
be
the
big
two
but
I
think
you're
right.
We
need
to
send
a
cleaner
project
to
the
commissioners.
A
A
The
only
objection
that
we've
received
is
from
the
city
of
Meridian,
and
the
city
of
Meridian
basically
wants
to
hit
the
pause
button,
because
the
city
of
meridian's
going
something
really
great
could
go
in
here.
We
don't
know
what
it
is.
We
don't
know
how
long
it
would
be
before
it
goes
in,
but
something
great
could
happen,
and
we
want
this
to
be
consistent
with
it.
There's
a
couple
reasons
why
a
municipality
might
say
this
is
not
consistent
with
the
highest
and
best
use.
A
There
would
be
a
point
in
time
if
that
is
what
occurred
where
the
self-storage
facility
would
go
away
and
in
its
place,
would
be
something
else
consistent
with
the
more
upscale
uses.
Again,
this
isn't
like
tearing
down
that
building.
That's
already
built
that
the
applicant
has
pointed
out
that's
over
on
the
east
side
of
where
northeast
side,
where
this
interchange
is
going
to
be
so
much
as
I,
would
like
to
just
defer
to
the
city
of
Meridian
I.
A
Don't
think
it's
fair
to
Property
Owners
to
say,
yeah
we're
going
to
hit
the
pause
button
and
you
really
can't
do
anything
with
your
property
because
we
don't
know
what
we
want
to
go
there
yet,
and
so,
when
we
say
we
want
the
applicant
to
come
back
and
to
present
a
landscape
plan,
will
the
city
of
Meridian
isn't
saying
the
problem
with
this
project?
Is
we're
not
comfortable
with
the
landscape
plan
they're
saying
the
problem
with
this
project?
H
A
And
so
again
that
that
is
why
I
would
have
voted
in
favor
of
the
original
motion.
It
never
bothers
me
to
kick
something
up
to
an
elected
body
as
opposed
to
an
unelected
body
and
have
them
make
the
ultimate
decision.
But
that
said,
I
think
if
there
aren't
any
more
comments,
we're
ready
to
vote
on
the
motion
that
has
been
made
and
seconded.
So
all
in
favor.
All
in
favor
of
that
motion,
please
say:
aye
or
commissioner
read.
B
A
In
favor
of
the
motion,
please
say:
aye,
aye
and
I
say
I
any
opposed,
please
say:
nay,
all
right
carries.
Thank
you
district
chairman.
Can
we
take
a
break
so
anybody
I
agree.
We've
been
going
at
this
for
two
and
a
half
hours,
and
so
let
us
take
a
five
minute
break.
Is
that
all
right
right?
Okay,
we
will
return
in
five
minutes.
A
E
All
right,
thank
you,
chairman
Commissioners.
The
item
before
you
is
a
conditional
use
and
master
site
plan
for
a
winery
and
Event
Center.
The
applicant
is
mineral
wines
LLC
the
subject:
property
is
a
10.1
Acre
Site
located
at
8600
West
Chaparral
Road
in
the
RP
District
surrounding
uses
in
the
area
include
rural
residences,
rangeland
and
a
go-kart
track
slightly
to
the
South
foreign.
E
So
there's
a
many
phases
to
this
development
and
I
hate
to
read
from
my
original
staff
report,
but
I
just
gonna
probably
do
that,
because
I
think
it
might
be
easier
and
I'll
have
the
applicant
clarify
anything
that
I've
missed
in
the
phasing,
but
we
did
have
a
lot
of
discussion
back
and
forth
and
hopefully
I
captured
everything
they
were
asking
for.
So
as
mentioned,
this
is
a
multi-phase
project.
There
are
three
phases.
E
phase
three
to
be
completed
no
later
than
the
end
of
2028
will
include
an
additional
2
400
square
foot.
Concrete
slab
also
be
utilized
as
an
outdoor
work
area,
and
that
also
would
be
enclosed
in
the
future,
and
the
importance
of
enclosing
that
and
kind
of
getting
on
the
record
now
is,
if
we
don't
state
that
they
have
to
come
back
with
the
master
site
plan
update
and
an
unquestionably
a
new
conditional
use.
So
the
phasing
plan
is
allowing
for
that.
E
Flexibility
and
I
just
want
the
pnz
to
be
very
aware
of
kind
of
how
they're
planning
to
build
out
the
project
in
terms
of
the
operation
itself
phase
one
of
the
projects
there
will
be
a
maximum
of
two
employees,
no
more
than
10
patrons
at
a
time
with
a
maximum
of
30
patrons
expected
daily
and
I.
E
E
So,
in
terms
of
additional
cars
coming
to
the
site,
that
sort
of
thing
phase
two,
which
will
include
that
new
wine
production
facility
and
tasting
room
in
the
outdoor
work
area
that
I
mentioned
is
anticipated,
require
a
maximum
of
eight
part-time
employees,
a
maximum
of
30
patrons
daily
Monday
through
Thursday
and
60
on
Friday,
and
then
I
they're,
anticipating
100,
on
Saturday
during
phase
two,
and
so
during
that
phase,
two
they'll
have
an
additional
29
parking
spaces
constructed
and
I
did
provide
the
parking
phasing
plan
here,
maybe
oriented
to
the
slide
here
in
front
of
you.
E
So
this
is
the
overall
site
plan.
These
are
the
vines
themselves
in
the
center.
Is
the
proposed
new
or
large
building
for
production
and
the
tasting
room,
and
then
this
is
the
associated
parking
lot
that
would
surrounded.
They
provide
an
elevation
of
what
they
want
to
do
with
the
building,
including
kind
of
the
outdoor
covered
area,
and
the
down
here
is:
are
the
different
phases
so
phase
one
is
green.
That's
the
initial
parking
that
we'll
provide
for
the
project
phase
two.
E
Is
this
yellow
parking
area
that
will
wrap
around
the
larger
building
and
then,
as
I,
get
to
phase
three,
as
I
mentioned,
that'll?
Have
that
additional
outdoor
work
area
of
2400
square
feet
they're,
not
anticipating
to
need
to
increase
the
number
of
employees
on
site
during
that
phase,
however,
they
do
want
to
provide
an
additional
20
parking
spaces
to
support
the
Event
Center
portion
of
the
project,
and
so
as
proposed.
E
Most
of
this
commission
is
very
familiar
with
the
limitations
of
what
a
winery
requires
native
accounting
code.
It's
24,
promotional
events
of
up
to
50
people
Max
and
that's
an
annual
limit.
The
Event
Center,
essentially
kind
of
takes
the
lid
off
of
that
and
says
you
can
have
more
than
50
people.
You
can
have
more
than
24
events,
and
so
that's
why
they've
they've
coupled
those
two
things
together
with
this
project.
E
So
in
terms
of
comments,
we
received
no
comments
from
the
public.
That's
the
record
for
wineries.
In
the
last
two
years,
no
comments
from
the
public
on
the
project.
All
reviewing
agencies
and
departments
approve
the
project
with
standard
conditions
similar
to
any
other
use
that
relies
on
septic
they're
going
to
have
to
work
with
the
health
district
and
I
think
you
may
have
seen
some
correspondence
in
your
your
packet
to
that
effect.
E
They've
got
some
additional
work
to
do
in
terms
of
the
drain
field
and
sizing
the
septic,
and
all
of
that,
so
of
all
the
things
that
and
probably
the
building
official
making
sure
that
the
existing
buildings
meet
the
uses
that
they
want
to,
or
you
know,
work
for
the
uses
they
want
to
pose.
So
that's
going
to
be
an
upgrade
to
those
buildings
and
then
the
future
buildings
all
will
need
to
comply
with
the
building
code.
E
E
F
Think
there's
one
on
the
end.
Sorry
we've
been
very
generous
tonight,
I
think
just
with
the
Event
Center,
then
you're
really
only
restricted
on
the
number
of
people
based
on
parking
and
that's
really
about
it.
Yeah.
E
Chairman
commissioner
they're
not
they're,
not
self-limiting
any
number
of
people
that
could
be
on
site
you're
right
at
the
end
of
the
day,
it's
going
to
be
a
function
of
parking
and
a
function
of
kind
of
the
building
and
fire
code,
and
probably
the
tolerance
of
their
neighbors
to
accept
people
on
the
property.
So.
A
H
Greetings,
chairperson
Birch,
also
to
the
Commissioners
and
ma'am.
Thank
you
so
much
for
having
me
here
again.
You
know
Leon's
done
a
great
job
of
introducing
us
and
our
project.
H
We
are
here
to
again
build
a
winery,
we're
excited
about
the
future
of
the
wine
business
in
this
area,
in
the
eagle,
Foothills
Ava
and
also
in
the
Snake
River
Ava
of
this
area.
We've
seen
some
wineries
here
that
become
really
successful
and
they're,
making
quality
products
and
we
hope
to
contribute
to
that.
We
come
from
another
state.
I'd
rather
not
talk
about
I
would
say,
I'm
a
refugee,
and
so
we
do
come
with
experience
in
the
wine
business
as
we
operate
a
winery.
H
That's
now
been
commercially
making
wine
for
15
years,
and
we've
been
growing
grapes
for
about
twice
that
long.
So
we're
here
to
not
only
build
a
winery,
as
mentioned,
but
also
to
plant
some
Vines
and
to
provide
a
a
terrific
agricultural
tourism
type
of
draw
where
folks
can
come
and
see
not
only
what
we
do
with
well
making
of
the
wine
and
and
enjoying
it
with
wine
club
events
and
things
like
that,
but
also
to
kind
of
get
a
look
of
what
we
do
as
a
business.
H
We
plan
to
make
this
a
demonstration
Winery,
where
people
can
actually
view
the
goings-on
in
the
production
areas
that
we
have
and
also
to
have
a
little
fun
doing
it.
So
we're
looking
forward
to
that.
We
bought
the
land
a
couple
years
ago,
and
previously
it
was
a
cattle
feedlot
and
so
I
think
it's
got
some
great
soil
for
grapes.
We
certainly
have
some
nutrients
there
and
it's
also
in
the
Rural
Preservation
Zone,
which,
with
our
research
prior
to
coming
here,
we
had
found
that
we
really
needed
to
get
away
from
the
residential
areas.
H
H
So
we're
excited
to
you
know,
preserve
agriculture
in
our
area,
because
that's
certainly
what
our
neighbors
want,
and
that
would
mean
having
a
an
agricultural
entity,
but
also
you
know.
As
mentioned
you
know,
we
we
we're
not
looking
to
have
loud
parties
and
events.
H
We
just
want
to
make
a
little
bit
of
wine
enough
to
you
know,
make
a
living
with
grow
a
little
bit
and
also
you
know,
just
kind
of
preserve
the
character
of
the
area,
we're
surrounded
by
cattle,
ranching
properties
and
a
neighbor
who
grows
hay,
and
then
we're
excited
also
that
there's
some
terrific
grape
growing
ground
up
our
Valley.
That
goes
basically
from
our
property
about
four
miles
up
the
Willow,
Creek
drainage,
and
then
it
heads
off
into
another
drainage
towards
Pearl
up
to
three
horse
ranch.
H
It
turns
out
that
there's
one
trust
that
owns
most-
if
not
all,
of
this
Valley
and
they're
dedicated
to
preserving
agriculture,
as
are
we
we're,
also
excited,
they
have
some
great
grape
growing
land
and
we
may
see
some
more
Vineyards
out
there,
which
would
be
wonderful.
H
The
eagle
foot
hills
Ava
grows.
Some
terrific
Grace
we've
seen
some
great
results.
There
and
I
mentioned
that,
and
you
know
we're
just
excited
to
bring
our
project
to
you
and
would
welcome
any
questions
that
you
may
have
I
kind
of
wish
that
we
had
some
people
here
to
ask
me
more
about
it.
I
thought
it'd
be
exciting
to
share
the
project
with
someone
but
seems
like
we're
all
alone
here
tonight,
so
which
I
I
hope
is
favorable
to
our
plan.
O
A
O
Did
you
attend
the
neighborhood
meeting
and,
if
so
kind
of,
how
was
that?
Okay.
H
Chairperson
action,
we've
actually
had
three
neighborhood
meetings
and
we
have
not
had
everyone
attend
all
of
them.
The
first
meeting
we
had
we
had
two
out
of
our
five
residential
neighbors,
actually
Four
residential
neighbors
came
by
at
first.
The
gal
hoom
is
in
charge
of
the
trust
who
owns
the
land
north
of
us.
She
was
a
little
bit
apprehensive
until
she
actually
learned
more
about
our
project.
We
become
good
friends
and
she's
been
a
terrific
support
to
us.
H
We
have
support
from
the
other
person
who
joined
as
well
got
to
know
their
families.
They
know
what
we're
about.
We
talk
together
about
what
we
want
to
do.
The
second
meeting.
Well,
the
same
people
came
and
the
third
meeting.
Well,
one
person
came,
you
know
it
was
our
friend
who
owned
the
land
north
of
us.
H
We
have
some
neighbors
that
just
haven't
shown
up
we've
gotten
to
know
our
immediate
neighbors,
but
one
of
our
landowners
lives
in
Meridian
and
we've
we've
never
had
any
response
to
our
letters,
no
phone
calls.
So
that's
the
extent
of
my
experience
with
the
meetings
awesome.
Thank
you.
H
Well,
we
we
would
like
to
have
loud
or
live
music
in
the
way
of
something
you
know
kind
of
acoustical
or
very
low
volume
or
even
indoors,
because
we
do
have
one
neighbor,
that's
pretty
close
to
the
project
and
we
want
to
honor
here
we
want
to
be
good
neighbors
to
everybody,
but
especially
her,
because
she's
close,
we
don't
want
to
be
an
impact,
so
we're
not
looking
to
be
open
late
at
night
and
we're
not
looking
for
loud
music.
Most
of
our
music
with
the
speakers
will
be
background.
Music.
H
You
know
just
something:
that's
suitable
for
the
occasion,
but
not
we're
not
looking
to
have
wild
parties,
and
the
reason
that
we
are
applying
for
the
conditional
use
permit
for
social
hall
is
just
so.
We
don't
have
to
have
a
limit
of
50
people
and
that
we
have
to
use.
You
know
someone
hires
our
Winery
for
a
birthday
party
with
30
people,
that's
counted
as
one
of
our
24
events
we're
just
trying
to
have
a
little
more
flexibility
there.
H
Frankly,
we'd
like
to
have
a
a
Bocce
night
once
a
week,
I
mean
it
might,
there
might
be
60
people,
it
might
be.
70.
I
mean
we're
not
looking
to
be
too
big
and
too
loud.
We
have
had
some
concerns
from
personal
conversations,
with
at
least
one
of
our
neighbors
about
your
event
center.
Now
we
knew
about
the
winery
we
didn't
know
about
the
event
center
I've
had
to
clarify
this
to
our
neighbors
that
we're
just
looking
to
be.
H
You
know
a
little
bit
more
flexible
with
how
many
people
we
can
have
not
so
much
having
parties
for
hire.
It
doesn't
make
sense
for
a
winery
to
close
to
have
a
wedding,
so
we
might
have
one
or
two
for
neighbors
or
family
or
something,
but
everything
is
Mr.
Lesson
said
is:
is
all
really
going
to
be
dependent
on
how
much
the
facility
can
handle
as
far
as
parking
restrooms
our
septic
system,
Etc.
L
Chairman
Commissioners,
my
name
is
Trey
buchert,
5446,
Highway,
16
and
I've
gotten
to
know
the
applicant
here
and
their
family
fairly
well
over
the
last
three
years,
and
one
thing
I've
come
to
learn
as
they
know
quite
a
bit
about
wine
making
and
also
grape
growing,
which
gives
me
a
lot
of
comfort.
I'm
excited
about
that,
because
I
know
they're
going
to
go
in
and
do
a
good
job,
so
I
think
it's
going
to
be
a
great
attribute
to
that
part
of
rural
Ada,
County
and
I
strongly
support
what
they're
doing.
Thank
you
thank.
A
E
Other
than
the
let's
see
I
have
to
enter
my
presentation.
My
staff's
done
such
a
good
job
of
this
and
I
forgot
my
notes.
Let
me
go
grab
those
real
quick
I
have
to
enter
my
presentations.
A
A
Thank
you,
Mr
Watson,
all
right
invite
the
applicant,
if
you
want
to
say
anything
else
to
come
up.
Otherwise
we
will
close
the
public
portion
of
the
meeting.
Okay,
all
right
public
portion
of
the
meeting
is
closed.
So
I'm
looking
for
a
motion
with
respect
to
this
matter,
Mr.
N
B
N
Sir
I
would
just
like
to
say
that
I
appreciate
you
turning
a
cattle
feed
lot
into
a
winery.
It
will
be
a
vast
Improvement
for
the
eagle,
Foothills
I.
Think
that
there's
not
a
lot
of
people
here
to
testify
against
you,
which
says
it
shows
that
you
do
value
your
neighbors,
and
that
is
important
when
starting
a
winery
and
we've
had
quite
a
few
this
year
and
you
are
the
first
ones
that
have
had
no
opposition
and
that's
just
a
credit
to
your
professionalism
and
what
you
want
to
do
with
your
community.
N
I
wanted
to
say
that
I
appreciate
also
the
fact
that
you
have
the
trust
of
your
neighbors
and
that
you
want
to
keep
that
area
Agriculture
and
where
we
are
losing
quite
a
bit
of
that
in
Idaho.
So
thank
you
very
much
for
putting
your
application
in
and
all
your
hard
work.
O
I
mean
I
Echo
everything
commissioner's
law
said
and
I
wanted
to
applaud
the
applicant
for
how
thorough
this
was.
I
really
appreciated
the
detail,
what
the
three
different
phases
it
made
it
very
easy
for
me
to
like
wrap
my
head
around
kind
of
like
the
scale
of
it.
You
know
moving
forward
and
you
know
similar
to
all
the
winery
applications
that
we
get.
It
seems
I
completely
understand
why
you
wrapped
it
with
the
Event
Center.
O
Just
for
that
flexibility
and
I
think
to
me
this
is
definitely
more
of
the
a
shoe-in
for
approval,
given
the
fact
that,
surprisingly,
there
is
no
opposition
in
the
slightest
on
the
record
at
all-
and
you
know
there
are
also
other
wineries
I
believe
we
have
some
Winery
owners
in
the
audience
today,
as
well
in
the
same
area.
So
the
use
is
already
kind
of
developing
there.
Naturally,
anyway,.
F
Mr
Webster
sure,
thank
you
just
the
location,
location,
location,
I
guess
is
the
number
here
because
he's
you're
just
in
a
great
place,
you're
out
away
from
people,
and
you
have
the
just
a
good
and
there's
not
a
lot
of
traffic,
not
a
lot
of
neighbors
and
good
luck
too.
I
was
gonna.
I
should
have
asked
you
what
county
did
you
come
from,
so
we
can
know
if
your
wines
are
really
going
to
be
that
good,
okay,.
A
All
right,
thank
you.
The
only
thing
I
would
add
is
I
agree
with
everything.
That's
been
said,
bucherts
know
what
it's
like
to
have.
This
room
half
filled
with
angry
people
so
and
all
the
compromises
that
have
to
be
made
when
a
winery
and
Event
Center
is
going
in
to
already
a
reasonably
developed
area
and
so
to
have
one
that
goes
in
further
away
eliminates
many
of
the
concessions
that
would
have
to
be
made,
otherwise
that
the
other
wineries
have
had
to
had
to
include
within
their
operations
and
so
I
think
I.
Q
A
An
area
that
is,
as
commissioner
Retzloff
has
said,
feedlot
is
turning
into
a
winery
Event
Center,
where
you're
not
having
lots
of
people
that
are
going.
Oh
I'm,
going
to
be
bothered
by
the
noise
and
the
lights,
etc,
etc.
I
I
applaud
you
for
what
you're
doing
here,
I
think
we're
ready
for
a
vote
on
the
motion.
So
all
those
in
favor,
please
say
aye.
N
A
A
E
All
right,
Commissioners,
the
item
for
you
is
a
Amendment
to
the
Ada
County
zoning
ordinance.
The
applicant
is
Ada
County
development
services,
which
is
why
this
room
is
empty
and
it
was
a
really
good
Amendment.
So
the
purpose
of
this
amendment,
at
least
with
men,
portions
of
baby
county
code,
section
8-2d
industrial
base
districts.
These
amendments
are
focused
on
clarifying
various
sections
of
the
code
to
allow
for
industrial-based
districts
and
uses
to
be
located
outside
of
areas
of
City
impact
on
a
limited
basis.
E
The
next
slide
kind
of
explains
why
we're
amending
this,
so
this
is
a
strike
through
underlined
version
of
the
changes
we're
making
to
the
code.
The
original
purpose
statement,
just
to
summarize
so
you
don't
have
to
try
to
read
through
this
mess,
was
that
basically,
if
you
wanted
to
establish
industrial
zoning-
and
you
know
associated
with
that
industrial
uses,
you
needed
to
be
inside
an
area
of
City
Impact
and
that's
good
reasoning.
The
idea
is,
you
want
to
intent.
You
know
intense
growth
to
incur
in
an
area
that's
likely
to
be
annexed.
E
However,
what
we've
discovered
with
some
applications
that
have
come
through
our
office
or
people
interested
in
applications
is
there
are
some
exceptions
to
that
rule
that
maybe
need
to
be
considered
and,
and
some
of
those
are
associated
with
just
kind
of
the
infrastructure
or
what's
happening
in
an
area
already
we
have
the
the
railroad
line
that
occurs
kind
of
traverses,
the
county
from
the
south
and
heads
north
as
it
moves
West
and
I
guess:
East
if
you're
driving
trains
either
way.
E
But
there's
you
know,
that's
some
pretty
heavy
infrastructure
that
kind
of
like
why
don't
we
allow
industrial
zoning
out
here
in
an
area
if
we
can
accommodate
it
in
a
way
that
makes
a
lot
of
sense,
and
so
that
was
one
consideration.
Another
one
is
kind
of
the
South
desert
area
and
kind
of
that
Cuna
area
we've
got
some
uses
that
are,
you
know
outside
of
the
University
Impact
cune
is
bringing
a
lot
of
industrial
uses.
E
We
see
the
need
to
have
maybe
some
supportive
spin-off
options
in
the
county
that
are
just
outside
of
the
area
of
City
Impact,
but
we
want
to
be
very
cautious
about
this
because,
when
you
put
in
industrial
use
in
an
area
that
doesn't
have
a
lot
of
services,
which
is
typically
what
is
the
area
of
City
Impact,
you
know
those
are,
as
we've
talked
about
a
lot
tonight,
that's
where
the
water
is
either
there
or
coming
very
quickly.
That's
where
is
either
there
or
coming
very
quickly
and
so
forth.
E
You
really
want
to
be
careful
about
putting
more
intense
uses
in
areas
that
don't
have
those
Services
readily
available,
but
we
again
do
think
there
are
some
opportunities
to
put
some
of
these
outside
of
those
areas.
So
again,
that's
how
we're
amending
that's.
Why
we're
amending
this
section
of
code,
which
basically
says
probably
the
most
important
thing,
is
on
a
limited
basis?
We
really
want
to
we're
not
just
like
Whole
Hog
bring
me
everything.
You
want
industrial
out
to
the
county,
we're
ready
to
go.
E
That's
not
what
we're
trying
to
do
with
this
amendment
we're
trying
to
give
limited
opportunity
to
people
on
a
case-by-case
basis,
and
so
one
of
the
ways
we're
doing
that
as
well
is
we
are
requiring
a
conditional
use
for
this
table
for
any
industrial
use
that
normally
would
be
permitted
a
permitted
use
inside
of
the
area
of
City
Impact.
It
is
now
for
the
most
part
going
to
be
a
conditional
use
out
in
the
unencrypted
or
the
area
outside
of
the
area
of
City
Impact.
E
So
what's
the
importance
there,
a
permitted
use
is
something
the
staff
just
gets
to
say
yes
to
sometimes
there's
not
even
a
master
site
plan
involved.
It's
just
like
you're
good
to
go.
Get
your
building
permit
go
put
that
in
place.
We
feel
like
that
would
be
a
little
irresponsible
again
in
areas
that
don't
have
Services
ready
to
go.
E
So
a
lot
of
those
uses
that
were
permitted
inside
of
the
ACI
are
now
going
to
be
a
conditional
use,
which
means
I
just
made
your
lives
a
little
bit
busier
when
people
propose
industrial
uses
or
districts
or
particularly
industrial
uses
in
areas
outside
of
the
area
of
City,
Impact
you're
going
to
be
seeing
those
conditional
use
permits
for
the
most
part,
and
so
it's
a
significant
change
to
that
table,
and
this
is
the
staff
report
provided
to
everyone,
hope
you
had
a
great
time
reading.
It
was
pretty
exciting.
E
But
what
you'll
note
here
with
the
important
thing
is:
we've
got
this
footnote
here
of
this
one
next
to
any
permitted
use
that
we
think
now
needs
to
be
a
conditional
use,
and
the
important
footnote
here
at
the
bottom
it
says
principally
permitted
use,
is
located
outside
of
areas
of
City.
Impact
will
be
processed
as
a
conditional
use.
It's
only
if
it
has
this
footnote
here,
and
so
some
of
those
just
make
a
lot
of
sense
like
a
Warehouse,
might
be
permitted
in
the
area
of
City
Impact,
but
in
the
county.
E
Now
we
might
need
to
really
think
about
that.
Like
do
we
have,
if
you're
going
to
put
a
giant
building
up,
do
we
have
enough
fire
service
in
the
area
you
know?
Are
there
other
demands
that
are
going
to
occur
as
a
result
of
that
use
farther
away
from
the
city
center
that
we
really
need
to
spend
a
lot
of
time
thinking
about
through
the
conditional
use
permit
process?
So,
in
short,
that's
kind
of
the
the
gist
of
what
we're
doing
here.
E
You
know
we
didn't
receive
any
comments
from
the
public
and
any
department
or
agency
that
did
comment
was
in
support
of
the
project
and
finally,
so
with
that
staff
is
recommending.
You
approve
this
to
Ada,
County
Board
of
Commissioners
and
they'll.
Have
the
final
say
so
stand
for
any
questions.
Thank.
S
S
So
industrial
with
you
guys
now
allowing
that
out
there
is
that
going
to
be
one
of
those
five-year
that
has
to
get
renewed
every
time.
Or
is
it
going
to
be
something
that
this
condition
used?
It's
done
and
yeah.
E
Commissioner,
those
are
what
we've
done
with
that
is:
we've
put
the
five-year
attached
to
the
base
District,
so
if
it's
a
rural
or
residential,
so
some
of
those
still
might
apply,
but
we're
not
making
like
all
of
these
automatically
five-year
approvals.
It
really
comes
down
to
the
base
Zone
and
if
that
was
in
us,
if
that
was
a
previous
specific
standard,
I
think
like
contractor
yards,
that's
an
example
of
one
and
so
yeah
and
I
think
we
can
actually
look
at
the
Contractor
Yard
real,
quick.
E
So
it
would
be
subject
to
a
conditional
use
permit
and
I
I
can't
recall
if
the
specific
use
standard
for
Contractor
Yard
says
rural
and
residential
basis
for
five
years,
but
it
would
just
be
subject
to
those
specific
use,
standards
that
are
already
in
place
for
the
contractor.
F
Stretches
anymore,
but
so
really
what
we'd
be
looking
at
if
some
of
these
start
to
come
up
would
be
relying
on
the
recommendations
of
the
fire
again
achd,
just
the
usual
people.
Yes,.
E
Yeah,
so
through
that
conditional
use
permit
process,
we
take
a
a
pretty
eyes
you've
seen
tonight.
A
pretty
close
look
at
the
service
provider's
comments.
Are
they
comfortable
with
this?
You
know.
Basically,
we
have
if
the
fire
department
and
the
building
official
and
the
highway
district
don't
want
this
to
happen.
It
gets
pretty
hard
for
staff
to
recommend
approval
for
that
sort
of
thing.
E
You
know
you've
seen
some
situations
where
we're
dealing
with
the
city,
not
necessarily
agreeing
with
us,
but
because
this
is
outside
of
the
area
impact.
We
wouldn't
really
have
those
comments
anymore,
but
yeah
you
would.
It
would
give
us
a
chance
to
really
look
at
the
the
service
providers,
concerns
and
make
sure
that
we're
making
the
right
decision
allowing
a
use
out
in
that
area
or
the
zoning
and
the
use
basically.
A
Anything
else,
so,
basically,
we
may
have
more
applications
coming,
but
instead
of
having
a
whole
bunch
of
angry
citizens
that
think
this
could
be
anything.
You
go.
Oh
no,
there's
parameters
here
and
we're
defining
what
can
be
done
in
that
industrial
base
District.
So
it
should
make
life
easier
in
that
respect,
because
then
people
aren't
going
to
have
to
worry
that
it
could
be
any
number
of
things
that
would
be
horrible
for
their
yeah.
E
A
M
Based
upon
the
facts,
the
findings
of
fact,
inclusions
law
contained
hearing
and
testimony
from
the
public
hearing
I
recommend
approval
to
the
board.
The
proposed
amendment
to
the
Ada
County
code
project
number
202-300502zoa.
A
A
Right
anybody
else
have
anything
any
part
discussion.
It
does
seem
pretty
self-explanatory
all
right.
In
that
case,
all
those
in
favor,
please
say
aye,
aye,
I
also
say
aye
any
opposed,
please
say,
nay,
all
right.
Thank
you
very
much,
commissioner.
All
right
I
believe
that
we
are
now
ready
to
get
a
motion
for
approval
of
the
minutes
of
the
meeting
for
March
9th
2023..
So
is
there
a
motion
in
favor
of
approval
of
the
March
9th
2023
minutes.
A
E
Happy
to,
and
also
you
guys
beat
them
by
finishing
at
905.
They
went
to
almost
10
o'clock
last
night,
so
so
first
two
items
on
that
Agenda
One
was
a
subdivision
vacation
of
a
project
out
there
on
McDermott
and
what
is
on
the
victory.
This
was
that
old
non-farm
that
was
divided
into
five
Lots.
You
guys
recommended
approval
censorship,
Health
kind
of
threw
a
monkey
wrench
and
things
mid
review.
They
gave
one
review
and
then
they
gave
a
follow-up
review
that
required
the
outfit
to
go,
really
figure
out
some
septic
related
stuff.
E
So
it's
been
tabled
again,
as
their
engineer
continues
to
work
at
the
health
district
to
try
to
get
that
resolved,
and
then
we
had
a
variance
for
a
property
boundary
adjustment
up
in
the
moose
on
the
loose
subdivision
or
not
moose,
on
the
loose
Wild,
Horse
Lane,
sorry
I'm,
getting
those
confused,
Wild,
Horse
Lane,
which
is
out
kind
of
the
Table
Rock
area
Northeast
of
Boise.
That
was
also
table
they're,
just
working
through
some
other
options
to
hopefully
eliminate
the
need
for
the
variance
application
altogether.
E
So
then,
in
terms
of
things
that
were
approved,
we
had
a
two
lot
subdivision
on
King
Road.
You
heard
this
one,
the
the
board
recommended
approval.
It
was
a
two
lot
subdivision
in
the
RR
District
a
gentleman
trying
to
get
some
property
next
to
his
mother-in-law,
so
that
him
and
his
wife
can
take
care
of
the
Aging.
Mother
Let's
see
here's
another
one
which
was
a
vacation
for
a
shared
access
easement.
This
is
out
in
kind
of
the
meridian
area.
E
Kimberly
horn
was
the
applicant.
There
had
been
an
old
plotted
subdivision
that
provided
access
to
this
larger
lot
in
the
back
and
at
the
time
the
thought
was
that
access
would
be
used
to
provide
access
to
the
larger
development
But,
as
time
goes
on,
and
things
change
that
property
developed
off
of
a
different
roadway,
and
so
the
access
easement
was
irrelevant
and
they
vacated
it.
So
they
could
make
better
use
of
their
property.
E
E
Now
the
applicant
will
move
on
to
phase
two,
which
is
the
much
more
in-depth
kind
of
the
zoning
ordinance
that
is
associated
with
spring
Rock,
and
you
guys
will
all
have
a
chance
to
look
at
that
one
as
well
as
part
of
that
phase
two
process,
but
that
one
is
done
and
they're
on
to
phase
two
and
then.
Finally,
there
was
the.
If
you
recall
that
natural
gas
injection
facility
out
there
off
of
kunamora
Road
and
the
neighbors
to
the
east.
E
There
was
an
appeal
of
that
project
and
the
neighbors
weren't
asking
that
the
use
be
denied
or
the
original
approval
overturned.
They
just
wanted
to
add
some
conditions,
and
so
the
board
opted
to
add
some
conditions.
I,
don't
know
how
much
you
guys
recall
of
that,
but
there's
a
neighborhood
of
very
large
Lots
about
a
half
mile
to
a
mile
away
and
they
were
concerned
about
Headlights
light
noise,
fire
safety,
and
so
the
conditions
added
address
those
basically
they're
going
to
work.
E
The
Idaho
State
Fire
Marshal
actually
commented
on
the
project
and
made
some
recommendations
about
firewise
landscaping
and
kind
of
working
with
some
of
the
fire
districts
to
get
a
fire
suppression
agreement.
So
they're
gonna
try
to
hammer
that
out.
There
also
was
some
hours
of
operation
that
they
limited
use
of
a
compressor,
because
that
was
probably
the
thing
that
was
driving
people
well,
but
the
neighborhood
was
concerned.
It
would
be
a
nuisance
in
terms
of
hearing
a
compressor
kick
on
at
like
10
or
11
at
night.
E
E
E
A
E
Can't
talk
about
items
you
haven't
had
a
chance
to
no
I,
don't
think
I.
Think.
Actually
you
know
things
application
wise
May
is
going
to
be
probably
pretty
quiet
and
we
don't
really
have
an
eye
on
June.
Yet
in
general,
things
have
slowed
a
little,
so
yeah
I,
don't
I.
Don't
we
haven't
seen
anything
real
major
coming
down
the
pre-application
pipeline
that
you
guys
should
be
worried
about
yet,
but
I'm
also
very
optimistic.
So
you
shouldn't
trust
me.
You
might
see
a
lot
of
things
go
south
here
in
the
public
hearing
process.
E
E
Yeah
they
I'm
happy
to
talk
about
that
one.
So
that
was
that
Rolling
Hills
Vineyard,
which
you
approved
the
board,
had
an
appeal.
One
of
the
things
that
came
up
during
the
I
think
you
saw
the
memo
that
I
prepared.
The
board
asked
for
you
to
review
the
definition
of
a
winery
which
does
have
very
specific
wording
about
manufacturing
and
and
or
bottling
and
production
of
Winery
I
apologize
for
not
having
a
top
of
mind.
E
They
wanted
you
to
look
at
the
proposal
and
see
if
that
could
still
fit
in
that
box
and
So.
After
talking
to
the
applicant,
he
was
like
you
know:
I'm
going
to
come
back
with
a
a
modified
proposal
just
to
address
that,
to
clarify
it
and
so
I
anticipate
you
seeing
that
again
at
some
point
in
the
future.
That's
what
he's
indicated
to
staff
so.