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A
Good
evening
and
welcome
to
this
meeting
of
the
joint
governance
committee,
I
will
now
read
the
health
and
safety
announcement.
There
is
no
fire
alarm
planned
during
this
meeting.
Therefore,
if
the
fire
alarm
sounds,
please
leave
via
the
nearest
exit
and
go
to
the
assembly
point,
do
not
stop
to
collect
belongings,
do
not
use
the
lift.
A
A
Any
persons
with
mobility
issues
must
head
for
to
the
nearest
stairwell
and
wait
await
further
instructions.
Thank
you
item
number
one
is
substitute
members.
Can
members
declare
any
substitutions
please?
So
that's
councillor
shin?
Yes,.
A
Let's
hope
it's
only
for
her
any
other
substitutions
councillor
rosa.
C
F
A
A
A
So
we'll
move
on
to
item
number
five
items
raised
under
urgency
provisions.
I've
not
been
advised
of
any
urgent
items
of
business
to
be
considered
at
this
evening's
meeting.
A
D
Thank
you
chair
this
report
is,
is
for
noting
to
to
me
there's
this
this
four
sections
for
four
parts
to
two
to
the
report.
One
is
talking
about
changes
where
we
have
not
completed
audits
as
part
of
last
year's
pan
and
we're
transferring
them
into
this
year,
which
is
talked
about
at
the
beginning
of
the
detail
report.
D
It's
to
to
look
at
the
progress
in
terms
of
issuing
reports
where
we
are
so.
The
reports
that
have
been
issued
are
should
have
all
been
seen
by
the
committee,
because
they're
all
reported
as
part
of
the
head
of
audit
report,
but
they're
coming
to
this
committee
as
as
more
detailed
reports,
so
rather
than
being
talked
about
in
summary,
and
then
there's
the
follow-up
aspects
which
are
also
reported
through
to
the
committee.
So
those
the
aspects
of
the
report
are
there
for
you.
D
Just
to
note
on
the
follow-up
of
outstanding
recommendations
is
there's
been
a
substantial
increase
in
those
and
that's
because
there
were
about
33
additional
recommendations
added
as
a
as
effect
of
audit
reports
being
finalized,
which
have
now
moved
into
the
follow-up
stage.
So
so
that's
why
there's
been
that
drastic
increase
so
that
that
number
did
go
down,
but
it's
it's.
It's
substantially
gone
up.
So
that's
why
the
figure
looks
big.
Also
within
within
the
pack.
Just
yesterday
we
had
a
further
update
on
leaseholder
service
charges.
Can.
D
And
that's
to
do
with
the
leasehold
service
charges
and
the
update
was
that
they
have
now
recruited
a
permanent
member
of
staff
to
to
post
and
as
part
of
that
person's
remit
is
they
will
be
looking
at
the
the
policy.
That's
this
will
be
drafted,
so
they
will
be
reviewing
that
getting
it
through
and
and
they've
suggested,
a
new
deadline
of
the
end
of
the
financial
year
to
be
able
to
get
that
done.
So
that's
the
update
that
we've
just
had
from
them,
so
they
have
now
recruited
somebody
to
that
substantial
post.
D
The
other
thing
which
members
asked
at
the
last
meeting
was
a
bit
more
detail
on
on
the
rt
audits
that
have
been
undertaken
and
as
to
where
we
were.
We
would
have
had
one
of
our
tea
auditors
down
with
us,
but
because
the
meetings
aren't
hybrids,
we
couldn't
have
them
because
they
they
couldn't
get
physically
down
here.
They
would
have
dialed
in,
but
we
couldn't
do
it.
D
So
I've
been
asked
to
do
it
on
their
behalf,
so
all
members
should
have
been
sent
today,
a
copy
of
slides
that
are
on
the
screen
at
the
moment.
So
if
I
can
talk
members
through
those
very
quickly.
D
Sorry,
my
arse,
that's
not
as
good
I'm
just
looking
on
the
screen,
so
in
the
last
year,
we've
done
four
four
rt
audits,
cyber
security
which
was
done
in
november
and
that
had
a
satisfactory
outcome.
D
An
audit
on
the
general
data,
protection
regulations
or
data
protection
act
2018,
which
was
done
in
november,
and
that
was
a
limited
assurance.
We
then
denound
it
on
disaster
recovery,
which
I
think
was
quite
a
lot
more.
The
focus
of
of
the
last
meeting
that
was
done
in
july
of
this
year,
and
that
was
limited.
D
It
was
initially
a
no
assurance,
but
in
that
drop
stage,
but
following
further
discussions
with
with
management
and
additional
information,
it's
that
change
too
limited
and
then
the
cloud
com
computing,
which
is
a
draft
at
the
moment
and
that's
a
satisfactory
assurance
and
then
there's
three
more
audits,
planned
well
device
management
which
is
underway
application
development,
which
is
planned
for
quarter
three
and
then
looking
at
the
digital
strategy,
which
is
quarter
four,
but
that
very
much
depends
on
on
the
strategy.
Development
timeline.
D
The
inherent
risk
is
high.
Cyber
security
is
a
is
a
big
risk
at
the
moment
and
therefore
it's
one
that
we
should
be
continuing
to
monitor
the
recommendations.
Are
there
there?
There
was
one
fundamental
finding
priority
one,
and
there
was
completion
of
cyber
security.
Training
was
not
being
properly
monitored
or
completed.
D
Anybody
that
works
in
in
the
technical
it
field
will
tell
you
that
people
are
probably
the
biggest
risk
when
it
comes
to
to
cyber
security
and
that
people
risk
does
need
to
be
managed.
So
you
can
look
at
the
technical
aspects
and
and
look
at
those,
but
the
people
side
is
a
lot
more
difficult
to
control,
so
security
training
is
key
and
then
the
the
significant
findings
of
product
twos
was
there
was
no
anti-risk
register
the
councils
weren't
accredited
to
cyber
essentials.
D
Cyber
essentials
is
promulgated
good
practice
that
you
should
be
should
be
complying
with
or
match
himself
against,
there's
a
need
to
assess
mobile
delivery,
security
risks
and
the
controls,
and
there
was
no
dedicated
information
security
manager
at
the
councils.
A
Thank
you,
I
think
I'll
just
say
any
any
questions.
Counselor
karen.
D
So
that's
the
cyber
security
one,
the
gdpr,
the
general
data
protection
regulations
and
the
banks
privacy
report
to
make
on
this
audit.
It
was
very
much
focused
on
the
planning
and
development
service,
so
it
wasn't
across
the
council
as
a
whole,
but
it
is
quite,
it
should
be
taken
as
as
a
lot
of
similarities
between
this
and
the
council
as
a
whole
to
look
at
it.
From
that
reason
aspect
there
were
13
significant
housekeeping
observations,
so
housekeeping
will
be
priority.
Three.
D
They
related
to
the
development
management
team
not
properly
identifying
and
documenting,
which
was
privacy
risks
relevant
to
the
team.
External
privacy
notice
did
not
include
right
detail
in
it
that
it
should
have
had,
and
that's
very
much
promulgated
by
the
ico
as
to
what
needs
to
go
to
your
privacy
notice.
D
Team
did
not
justify
white
12
out
of
the
17
records
were
not
being
retained,
we
would
have
been
retained
indefinitely.
So
one
of
the
requirements,
data
protection
regulations
and
the
dpa
is
that
you
only
keep
items
as
long
as
you
need
them.
You
shouldn't
be
keeping
them
indefinitely
records
of
processing
or
europa
they're,
not
internal
mandatory
fields
and
have
not
been
properly
maintained,
so
they
were
in
complete
fields
as
well.
D
D
There
was
no
documented
due
diligence
process
to
follow
for
onboarding
third
parties,
so
third
party
information,
third
parties
is
quite
a
big
risk,
an
absence
of
requirements,
including
contractual
clauses
and
data
processing
agreements.
So
again,
this
is
where
you're
sharing
sharing
stuff
cloud
computing
report
is
in
draft.
So
I
will
put
the
caveat:
is
it.
D
Or
subject
to
change
until
they're
finalized,
so
at
the
moment
the
findings
are
there.
It's
satisfactory
assurance
governance
of
cloud
services
is
decentralized
and
it's
not
centrally
coordinated.
So
it's
it's
used
by
different
teams.
D
D
So
the
council
has
diversified
its
risk
by
outsourcing
to
multiple
cloud
services
which
the
previous
report
did
talk
about.
Preparations
for
incidents,
however,
are
informal
and
not
properly
recognized
through
the
assessment
of
risks.
So,
although
there's
a
lot
of
different
things
in
place,
they
haven't
properly
documented
and
they
haven't
properly
demonstrated
that
they've
gone
through
the
rigor
that
they
should
have
so
the
high
risks
or
the
high
findings.
D
D
We
again
we
couldn't
get
evidence
of
of
testing
of
those
recovery
arrangements,
so
that
summarizes
the
ordered
work
we've
done
relating
to
to
I.t
controls
in
the
recent
past
and
and
where
we're
going
to
now
so
share
that
that
ends
my
discussion,
I
will
add
a
caveat
that
my
more
detailed
knowledge,
the
rt
audits,
would
mostly
be
limited
to
to
what's
in
in
the
slides.
A
Thank
you.
One
comment
I
will
make
myself
is
that
this
isn't
the
first
time
disaster
recovery
has
looked
bad
at
this
committee,
but
I
will
leave
it
up
to
the
committee
members
themselves.
Councillor
cameron.
I
think
you
were
first
with
a
question.
G
Thank
you
chair.
I
did
cheat
a
little
bit
yeah.
I
just
wanted
to
ask.
Actually
I
didn't
see
it
on
there
about
with,
since,
obviously
the
pandemic
and
people
working
remotely.
What
kind
of
assurances
do
you
have
that
their
entire
working
environments
are
secure,
such
as?
If
they
take
equipment
home?
G
C
So
these
are
all
great
questions.
Councillor
cohen
and
one
of
the
the
the
options
we
have
as
a
committee
is
to
commission
work
from
internal
audit.
Bear
in
mind
that
neither
dave
nor
I
are
it
specialists.
I
would
say
that
all
of
our
devices
are
properly
encrypted.
All
need
dual
factor.
Authentication
all
are
have
security
arrangements
in
in
place.
C
No
because
these
we
we
choose
different
audit
themes
each
year.
It's
part
of
the
agreed
audit
plan
and
we
we
look
at
things
over
probably
a
three
three
year
cycle,
we'll
go
through
different
aspects
of
I.t,
but
we
don't
look
at
everything
in
every
year.
But
if,
if
remote
working
is
something
that
the
committee
are
particularly
interested
in,
that
is
something
we
could
add
to
the
audit
program
and
report
back
later.
A
Well,
thank
you.
Was
it
just
remote
working
you
were
talking
about
council
account.
How
can
you
use
the
microphone
so
that
it's
broadcast.
G
Yeah
pretty
much
because
working
practices
have
changed
and
if
we're
only
doing
if
you,
if
you're
on
sort
of
a
rolling
audit
and
that
kind
of
security
hasn't
come
up
in
the
last
two
years.
Well,
I
suggest
it.
It
probably
should
should
have
done
if
it
hasn't
done
already
because
of
you
know,
because
we
work
so
differently
now.
A
Thank
you,
councillor
waite.
I
think
you
raised
your
hand.
I
But
all
I
would
say
on
this
is
actually
sending
slides
on
the
afternoon
of
the
day
when
we
have
an
evening
meeting
means
that
I
haven't
had
a
chance
to
catch
up
with
them,
because,
like
you,
I
was
in
county
hall
all
day
and
actually
running
through
them
hasn't
really
helped
me
a
lot,
but
it
may
have
helped.
My
colleague.
A
Thank
you.
Would
anybody
else
like
to
comment
on
homeworking.
B
Okay,
so
home
working
is
remote
working,
as
you
said,
so,
obviously
you
can
control
it
with
the
technical
stuff
that
you've
mentioned
and
also
through
organizational
controls
such
as
training,
which
you
said,
is
being
missed
and
policy
employment.
You
know
telling
staff
the
the
remit
about
how
they
can
work.
So
when
we're
reviewing
this,
we
don't
just
need
to
look
at
it
from
a
technical
perspective
because,
as
you
said,
unfortunately,
I'm
really
sad-
and
I
know
it's
about.
B
80
of
data
breaches
plus
are
related
to
human
error,
of
one
description
or
another,
and
that's
where
they
haven't
got
enough
control
in
place
to
tell
them
what
they
should
be
doing.
Then
they
make
their
own
decisions
and
make
the
wrong
decisions.
So
we
should
also
be
looking
at
employment
related
contracts.
The
reason
being
is
is
if
it
tells
somebody
that
they
should
not
use
their
tablet
to
download
certain
things
that
will
reduce
risk
and,
for
example,
they
should
not
use
their
council
devices
for
certain
activities.
B
They
should
use
them
in
public
places
and
they
should
have
adequate
training
to
understand
where
those
public
places
are
that
are
safe,
etc,
etc,
etc.
So
it's
not
just
the
technical
side
of
things.
We
need
to
look
at
the
the
the
governance
around
around
there
in
about
what
they're
they're
told
they
can
how
they
can
operate
and
the
consequences
of
that
as
well.
D
So
remote,
working
or
homeworking,
yes,
a
very
specific
type
of
audit,
because
it's
you
you're
right.
It's
you
got
the
computer
at
home.
Little
johnny
with
a
little
betty,
may
do
the
homework
on
it
or
play
games.
You
don't
know
who's.
Looking
over
your
shoulder,
you
go
make
a
cup
of
tea,
but
somebody
else
looks
at
something
on
the
computer:
that's
assuming
that
you're
in
a
family
home
and
not
in
a
diggs
wall,
or
something
like
that.
D
There's
there's
a
whole
myriad
of
different
things
and
you
you're
very
right
as
the
technical
aspects
of
fairly
easy
time
out
with
the
council,
particularly
using
cloud
services.
They've
usually
got
a
lot
of
inbuilt
controls
around
access
coming
through
through
the
internet.
Anyway,
it's
it's
the
human
elements,
that's
the
key.
The
key
bit
on
this.
A
I
Thank
you
chairman.
I've
got
a
question
on
page
16
of
the
report
and
it's
on
the
the
contract
audit
and
I
noticed
that
the
theater's
procurement
and
contract
management
has
been
cancelled,
which
I
found
disappointing,
because
I
was
really
interested
chairman
to
see
the
audit
comments
around
that
procurement
process.
C
I
think
I
can
answer
that
councillor
wait
in
parallel
to
commissioning
this
audit
on
procurement
by
the
governance
committee.
The
scrutiny
committee
also
commissioned
a
review
of
procurement.
C
That
review
is
due
to
report
shortly
and
whilst
says
council,
it
wasn't
cancelled
forever.
It
was
cancelled
whilst
the
scrutiny
review
concluded.
I
think
we
undertook
to
bring
the
scrutiny
view
here
and
to
give
the
members
the
opportunity
to
review
what
other
audit
work
they
would
like,
because
it,
the
brief
of
the
two
reviews,
was
very
similar.
I
C
C
I
Could
I
ask
chairman
for
you
that
that
is
noted
in
the
minutes
of
this
committee,
because
in
this
report
the
only
comment
on
this
about
that
review
is
cancelled?
That's
all.
It
says:
there's
nothing
in
the
text
at
all
as
to
why
it's
being
cancelled,
or
in
fact
it
appears,
it
hasn't
been
cancelled.
It's
been
deferred
until
after
the
scrutiny
review
comes
here,
in
which
case
it
could
still
be
live,
but
none
of
that
is
clear
from
the
report.
Thank.
A
You
so
if
we
can
make
sure
that's
in
the
minutes,
thank
you.
Anybody
else
got
any
questions
about
theaters
or
the
audit,
so
the
next
on
my
list
is
councillor.
Arnold.
J
Thank
you
chair.
Can
I
just
ask
chad
that
on
your
last
topic,
you
said
anyone
got
any
other
questions
on
working
from
home,
but
actually
I
had
a
question
on
the
gdpr
side
of
things.
So
can
I
come
back.
J
Okay,
so
so
I
kind
of
think
it
crosses
into
the
whole
gdpr
policy.
Actually,
if
we
look
to
page
32
and
it
talks
about
definition,
definitions
of
assurance,
it
talks
about
full,
satisfactory
limited
and
on
the
slide
that
flashed
up,
it
said
that
the
definition
for
that
report
was
limited.
J
First
of
all,
can
I
just
clarify:
are
we
talking
just
the
gdpr
policy
in
terms
of
working
from
home?
Are
we
talking
the
entire
gdpr
policy
and.
J
Its
entirety,
okay,
so
it's
more
than
working
from
home.
Okay,
so
I've
got
to
say
that
I'm
really
really
concerned,
because
I
only
got
to
look
at
that
really
quickly,
but
slightly,
sadly,
I've
just
written
the
gdpr
policy
for
the
charity
I
work
for
so
I
do
apologize
for
what
I'm
about
to
ask
you,
and
the
first
thing
that
just
jumped
out
to
me
is
there's
no
identification
of
risks,
and
second
thing
that
jumped
out
is
no
training
for
the
gdpr
lead
on
data
protection.
J
D
I
don't
disagree,
but
the
audit
was
focused
on
a
specific
service
of
the
council,
so
it
wasn't
looking
at
the
gdpr
lead
for
the
council
as
a
whole.
I
would
certainly
expect
that
person
to
be
trained.
I
would
also
expect
anybody
at
a
lower
level
who's.
A
gdpr
would
expect
them
to
have
some
form
of
training,
but
I
don't
place
it
as
significant
risk.
As
the
the
person
for
the
for
the
council,
I
think,
for
a
service
is
a
lower
risk.
D
J
I
guess
I'm
just
going
back
to
and
councillor
morgan's
comment
about.
80
percent
is
you
know,
data
breaches?
It's
I
wouldn't
mind
noting
that
personally,
that's
a
major
concern
for
me.
Thank
you.
A
Thank
you
councillor
morgan
same
subject
same.
B
Subject,
thank
you
so
when
you
said
earlier
about
remote
working,
I've
got
a
broader
set
of
questions
on
relating
to
the
audit.
So
in
summary,
there's
two
for
everybody
here,
there's
a
lot
of
little
things
going
on
there.
That
might
seem
inconsequential,
but
if
you
link
them
up
they're
at
big
accident
waiting
to
happen.
So,
for
example,
we
mentioned
like
data
processing
agreements
and
standard
contract
clauses,
etc.
B
So
what
that
means
is
the
council
is
a
data
controller
and
it
is
responsible
for
the
people
that
it
works
with
and
the
information
we
share
and
the
systems
we
choose
and
everything
like
that.
So,
in
the
absence
of
having
robust,
legally
enforceable
agreements,
we
potentially
adopt
the
risk
that
if
one
of
the
suppliers
makes
a
mistake
and
we
have
very
little
recourse
against
them-
so
that's
that's
quite
serious.
B
I
believe
the
insurance
review
is
coming
to
me
is
that
our
insurance
policy
requires
that
we
will
undertake
certain
things
as
as
as
a
given
and
undertake
certain
actions
to
mitigate
certain
risks
and
in
the
sen
in
the
case
that
we
haven't
taken
those
such
as
training
such
as
contracts,
such
as
risk
assessments
such
as,
and
the
list
goes
on
and
on
and
on
that
that
insurance
would
be
would
not
come
to
our
aid
and
then
the
next
question
we've,
the
the
other
consideration
is,
is
that
time
at
where
we
are
at
the
moment.
B
B
There
are,
as
I
said,
that
that
the
privacy
notice
as
well
and
the
other
this
is
the
other
thing
so
worthy-
is
just
about
to
undertake
a
listening
campaign
where
we're
going
to
be
taking
huge
amounts
of
personal
data
more
possibly
more
than
ever,
and
I
would
just
ask:
are
we
in
a
position
where
we
should
be
gathering
huge
amounts
of
special
category
data?
At
a
time
when
we
haven't
got
the
basics
in
place?.
A
So
I
I
think,
that's
more
than
that
widens
the
net
more
than
just
gdpr,
because
well.
B
No
insurance
is
our
safety
net
and
it
should
be
factored
into
we're
talking
about
risk.
And
if
we
are
not
meeting
our
obligations
from
a
cyber
element
from
a
training
element
from
a
contractual
element,
then
we
are
at
serious
risk.
D
I
yeah
okay,
so
on
on
the
gdpr
audit
that
was
focusing
on
a
specific
service
with
the
council.
It's
not
the
council
as
a
whole,
so
there
are
bits
of
the
council
that
will
be
doing
things
right.
I'm
not
disputing
the
impact
of
any
of
your
your
comments.
I
I
agree
with
them,
which
is
why
they're
all
there
while
we
raise
them,
it's
now
for
officers
to
to
implement
those
and
for
us
to
come
back
and
show.
D
D
A
I
think
you've
got
agreement
there,
councillor
morgan.
Would
anybody
else
like
to
go
on
far
away.
B
C
So
I
was
just
going
to
reflect
on
the
concerns
right
about
consultation
and
holding
data
that
that
is
a
little
bit
out
of
the
remit
of
the
audit.
But
that
is
a
point
that
I
think
we
we
need
to
take
back
to
colleagues
just
to
make
sure
that
the
gdpr
issues
around
consultation
are
being
properly
handled.
C
So
we'll
take
that
away
as
a
question
and
refer
it
to
the
participation
leads
just
to
get
some
assurance.
I
was
just
reflecting
on
the
two
big
concerns.
Two
of
the
audit
we
were
looking
at
are
in
draft,
so
they
might
well
be
to
be
confirmed
because
we're
waiting
for
for
more
feedback
on
things,
like
dates
and
implementation
and
responsibility,
so
that
that
might
just
be
a
reflection
of
where
we
are
in
finalizing
the
audit
reports.
I'm
just
hoping
my
colleague
can
confirm.
I'm.
D
C
Yes,
I
appreciate
that
I
think
I
think
the
questions
that
the
committee
raising
are
all
completely
legitimate.
C
The
challenge
we
have
is
they're
slightly
outside
the
remix
of
the
audit
they're
more
general
questions
about
how
our
digital
arrangements
work
and
perhaps
should
be
directed
more
towards
digital
colleagues,
although
we
can
commission,
as
as
I
mentioned
earlier,
we
can
commission
further
audit
work.
C
Councillor
cohen
referred
to
concerns
about
remote
working,
so
we
could
commission
specifically
commission
an
audit
brief
on
remote
working
to
give
the
committee
assurance
on
on
that
particular
aspect,
and
we
can
commission
audit
work
on
on
other
aspects
and
then
we'll
have
the
mechanism
to
formally
report
back
and
address
committee's
concerns.
K
A
D
D
So
these
are
all
most
of
these
all
are
ones
where
the
proposed
completion
dates
been
missed
and
we're
coming
up
with
a
new
data
to
be
confirmed
so
with
the
the
leaseholder
service
charges,
which
is
the
one
that's
referred
to
on
page
23
of
the
pack
is
that
came
through
yesterday,
which
I
gave
the
verbal
update
to
two
members
on,
so
they
have
now
recruited
a
person
to
substantive
post
and
they
will
aim
to
get
everything
out
by
the
end
of
the
financial
year.
So
we
have
got
a
date,
but
that
doesn't
that's
not
withstanding.
A
Thank
you
castle,
morgan.
B
A
You
I
think,
we've
covered
that
is
there
anybody
else
that
wants
to
talk
about
this
topic
anymore,
a
small
question
from
councillor
arnold.
J
Thank
you.
I
was
just
going
to
talk
about
the
merit
of
asking
for
an
audit
on
the
working
from
home
practices
when,
again,
I'm
going
to
labour
this
point,
we
haven't
identified
risks
or
have
the
training
for
the
gdpr
person
on
data
protection.
It
feels
like
you're
doing
you're
loading
another
piece
of
work
before
actually
we've
handled
the
basics.
I
would
preferably
prefer
that
those
two
things
to
be
spent
had
time
spent
on
before
before
the
audit
on
home
working.
I
think,
there's
a
more
basic.
A
I
think
we
do,
we
see
a
motion
here.
A
Come
back
to
that,
okay,
because
we
can't
really
have
a
we're
gonna
be
going
for
35
minutes,
so
we're
not
going
to
have
a
break
so
have
a
think
and
come
back
and
we'll
move
on
because
councillor
waite,
sorry,
councillor
white
has
been
waiting
very
patiently
to
change
the
subject.
I
think.
F
Thank
you
chair
for
a
brief
change
of
subject.
I
appreciate
dave
what
you
said
about
this,
not
being
your
area,
I
looked
at
those
six
slides
and
there
was
quite
a
number
of
areas
where
we're
not
coming
up
to
best
practice.
Now
this
this
is
a
complicated
area.
It's
not
my
area.
F
D
D
D
C
Well,
we
were
talking
earlier
about
the
role
of
the
audit
commission,
one
of
the
things
you
could
do
if
you're
particularly
concerned
about
it
and
the
recommendations
is
actually
ask
for
someone
from
the
digital
team
to
come
along
and
a
brief
view
on
how
they're
doing
up
implementing
the
recommendations.
A
Speaking
personally,
I
and
as
we've
had
disaster
recovery
come
up
before
I'm
minded
to
ask
for
that.
But
what
about
the
rest
of
the
committee?
Anybody
object
to
asking
for
that
at
our
next
meeting.
Counselor
morgan
wants
to
speak.
B
I
wasn't
objecting
to
asking
for
that.
I
was
going
to
suggest
I
was
going
to
suggest
and,
as
I
was
mentioned
earlier
as
as
we've
already
had
highlighted,
this
isn't
just
a
technical
exercise.
It
pulls
in
from
a
number
of
different
areas
and
we
need
to
if
we're
going,
to
bring
just
if
we're
just
going
to
bring
in
the
it
department.
B
That's
only
a
fraction
of
looking
at
the
overall
problem
and
a
number
of
the
issues
here.
Not
training
is
an
it
department
issue.
It's
human
resources,
there's
a
number
of
other
areas
that
we,
if
we're
going
to
bring
in
departments
to
review,
we
need
to
bring
in
all
the
relevant
ones,
not
just
an
aspect
that.
A
C
A
I
Given
mr
phillips
a
hard
time
but
as
he
said
he's,
actually
the
auditor
he's
just
the
messenger
of
the
bad
news.
The
bad
news
is
coming
from
another
place
and
we
ought
to
get
the
person
from
the
other
place
to
come
in
and
sit
in
his
chair
and
explain
to
us
why
there
are
so
many
areas
of
concern
to
all
members.
I
mean
when
we
went
through
the
slides.
You
know
when
we
talked
about
disaster
recovery.
I
think
we
could
have
just
left
off
the
recovery
word
it
just
looked
like
a
disaster.
I
A
E
Much
I
agree
with
all
what
has
been
said
up
to
now,
but,
of
course,
one
of
the
functions
of
the
joint
governance
committee
is
look
at
risk
management
and
rather
than
looking
at
these
sort
of
specific
areas,
which
I
think
is
very
very
important,
there
does
seem
to
be
some
general
questions
to
me
at
the
moment
in
respect
of
the
big
councils
as
to
how
risk
management
or
risk
is
identified
first
of
all,
and
then
the
relevant
controls
and
procedures
and
checks
are
put
in
place
in
order
to
manage
that,
and
if
you
look
at
some
of
these
orders
and
things
that
they're
being
completed,
I
am
questioning
how
how
good
we
are
in
generality,
in
identifying
the
risks
in
our
processes
and
therefore
the
the
controls
and
the
design
of
systems
in
order
to
mitigate
those
risks.
E
A
That
sounds
like
a
very
big
job
and
the
whole
of
the
process
we're
going
through
now
has
been
is
being
brought
into
question.
I
think
so.
Shall
we
stick
to
the
motion
that
we
have
and
let's
do
we
have
a
seconder
pun,
you
can't
we
need
a
second
hair.
A
A
So
counselor
arnold,
this
secondary,
do
you
want
to
add
a
little.
J
J
Okay,
thank
you
and
I
just
wanted
to
actually
express
what
the
concerns
were.
So
this
committee
is
concerned
with
the
gdpr
compliance
and
around
risk
and
data
protection,
training
and
disaster
recovery
protocols
and
risk.
Therefore,
we
would
like
to
invite
paul
brewer
as
head
of
digital
responsibility,
to
come
and
be
interviewed
or
something
to
that
effect.
J
We
ask
paul
brewer,
as
head
of
digital
services,
to
come
and
present
his
his
strategy
for
overcoming
these
concerns.
A
Very
good
happy
with
that,
so
you
can
be
the
proposer
now
counselor
arnold
seconded,
I
think,
by
councillor
waite
having
been
proposed
and
seconded.
This
item
is
now
open
for
debate.
B
It
was
just
in
response
to
the
comment
that
you
mentioned
that
it's
a
big
piece
of
work.
However,
if
not
got
right,
this
has
been
known
to
bring
councils
to
their
knees,
so
it
needs
to
be
given
it's
there's
councils
that
have
had
ransomware
attacks
and
can't
supply
services
to
to
to
the
people
in
the
community
and
and
those
people
you
know,
suffer
very
badly
as
a
result
of
it.
B
A
Well,
the
reason
I'm
saying
it's
a
big
piece
of
work
is
that
we're
on
item
six
internal
audit
progress
report.
So
I
think
it's
a
big
piece
of
work
for
this
committee
to
come
up
with
a
proposal
or
a
proposal,
and
I
think
it
needs
more
thought
than
the
thought
we're
giving
it
now.
But
I
could
be
wrong
if,
if.
A
A
So
that
motion
is
carried
unanimously
now
councillor
borum,
you
mentioned
a
motion
to
review
our
whole
policy
for
risk
audit.
A
E
For
me,
this
is
this
is
the
real
framework
that
all
the
parts
of
this
organization
works
too,
and
if
you
don't
have
that
that
that
sort
of
proper
framework
in
place
and
identification
you're
going
to
get
different
ways
of
measuring
risk
and
dealing
with
risk
across
the
organization
you're
going
to
get
risk
that
is
missed
and
you're
going
to
get
risk
which
is
not
built
into
policies
and
procedures
as
to
how
we
do
things.
So
this
is
quite
a
big
piece
of
work.
It
is
really
looking
at
the
overall
framework.
E
A
C
Council
borough,
you
you
thinking
about
a
review
of
the
risk
management
system
itself.
We
have
done
an
audit
and
actually
it
did
come
out
satisfactory,
but
I
wasn't
quite
sure,
are
you
talking
about
interrogation
of
the
risk
register,
because,
obviously
you
get
those
courtesy
opportunities
to
do
that.
In
any
case,
when
the
risk
comes
to
the
committee,
or
are
you
talking
about
a
broad
review
of
of
what's
on
the
risk
register?
How
that
that
fits
with
the
risks
that
we're
seeing
coming
forward
it
just
so
that.
E
For
me,
the
internal
audit
process
is
identifying
risks
and
issues
which
are
not
being
picked
up
by
the
the
operational
management
of
the
council,
so
that
would
suggest
that
when
you're
designing
a
system,
the
first
thing
you
do
is
obviously
set
out
all
the
process
and
things
you
need
to
do.
You
then
look
at
the
various
different
risks
and
things
that
can
go
wrong
in
that,
and
then
you
design
the
system
and
controls
around
that,
so
that
you've
got
a
good
good
process
through
and
and
because
we're
identifying
fairly
basic
things
in
the
internal
audit.
E
I'm
questioning
how
we're
designing
and
developing
processes
and
systems
in
order
that
we
we
effectively
sort
of
engineer
out
these
sort
of
matters
when
we're
putting
in
a
a
new
system
or
running
a
department,
and
that
is
the
bit
that
that
I'm
questioning
at
the
moment.
Thank
you.
E
A
C
So
the
management
of
operational
risks,
because
what
we
tend
to
see
the
strategic
risks
at
the
committee,
because
that
as
you're
quite
right
as
we
are
going
through
project
management
and
we're
bringing
new
systems,
we
will
be
identifying
risks
as
part
of
the
project
implementation.
C
So,
are
you
asking
more
for
a
review
of
how
we
manage
risk
on
an
operational
basis
rather
than
the
more
strategic
risks
that
we
see
at
the
committee.
E
C
So
can
we
take
that
away
and
come
back
with
some
proposals
around
what
we're
doing
around?
I
suppose
project
management,
risk
system,
implementation,
risk
and
operational
risk,
so
a
a
review
of
those
those
important
risks,
but
maybe
sit
below
the
strategic
level.
Let
us
go
go
away
and
come
back
with
a
proposal
for
the
committee
to
consider
next
time.
A
E
Thank
you
very
much.
Thank
you
very
much,
jim
on
on
page
11,
we've
got
a
table
which
says
that
there
are
finalized,
complete
audits
of
58
draft
reports
issued
of
42,
so
progress
there
seems
to
be
fairly
slow
in
this
in
this
audit
period
and
then
down
below
it
says
not
yet
started
or
whatever
you
and
yet
on
page
16
and
17.
E
We
have
about
eight
or
nine
audits
which
have
been
postponed
to
22-23,
so
it
doesn't
seem
to
tie
into
the
table
on
on
on
page
11.,
and
I'm
I've
got
a
concern
as
to
the
shall
we
so
say.
Shall
we
say
that
the
speed
and
output
of
the
internal
audit
process
and
and
completing
it
and
getting
these
actions
into
interrupt
into
the
management
so
that
we
can
take
better,
better
action
on
them.
Thank
you,
chairman.
E
Can
the
officers
explain
aid
the
table
and
b
why
the
various
different
orders
have
been
postponed?
Okay
into.
A
D
So
the
tables
I
think
you're
referring
to
referring
to
different
years,
so
the
finals
reports
and
the
number
of
drafts
we
quoted
58
and
42
refers
to
last
year's
plan
where
we
are
finalizing
off
the
audits.
The
beginning
of
my
report
talks
about
movement
and
audits
between
the
plans.
So
there
was
a
vertical
audit
conditioned
surveys,
contract
which
we
weren't
able
to
to
do
because
the
finalizing
of
the
council.
We
moved
that
from
one
year
to
the
next,
so
that
was
a
movement
from
last
year's
plan
into
this
year's
plan.
D
So
we
haven't
and
then
the
audits
that
have
been
moved
or
postponed
is
the
planned
maintenance
program,
but
that
was
moved
to
make
way
for
the
fire
doors
audit,
which
is
considered
more
important.
D
So
we
haven't
just
done
away
with
or
got
rid
of
all
it's
it's.
I
think
we're
more
or
less
on
on
target
four
for
this
year.
So
for
the
the
progress
reports
looks
at
the
completion
of
last
year's
plan,
but
it
also
looks
at
how
we
are
starting
and
going
on
this
year's
plan.
So
on
this
year's
plan
we
have
progressed
most
of
the
quarter.
One
work
and
we
we're
well
underway
with
the
quarter
two
work
as
well.
D
Most
the
work
is
scheduled
for
quarter
three
and
four
because
of
the
nature
of
what
it
is.
I
don't
know
if
I've
answered
your
question
counselor,
but
it
is
different
tables
and
different
years.
You're.
Looking
at.
C
Can
I
account
swarm?
Is
it
the
page
16.
C
So,
for
example,
the
self-isolation
grants
were
continuing
to
be
played
into
22-23
and
we
thought
we
would
do
a
retrospective
review,
because
capacity
within
the
team
meant
that
they
needed
to
focus
on
paying
those
grants,
and
then
we
were
going
to
sweep
up
carbon
reduction
program
again.
I
believe
that
was
to
do
with
trying
to
complete
the
projects
to
meet
the
scales
for
the
grant.
So
again
we
agreed
to
to
move
it
into
2223
because
of
sort
of
workload
constraints
the
markets.
C
Again,
we
were
missing
a
markets
officer
and
we
decided
to
wait
until
the
new
person
was
in
post
and
then
do
a
review.
So
quite
a
few
of
this
is
around
just
capacity
within
the
teams
to
handle
the
work
either
because
they
they
were
trying
to
complete
work
or
because
they
were
key
absences.
C
As
my
colleague
rightly
points
out,
they
haven't
been
lost.
We've
just
deferred
them
into
22-23
when
there
would
be
staff
available
to
participate
in
the
audit.
A
C
G
Thank
you.
Thank
you,
chair
mine's,
quite
a
specific
question
about
the
mapsoft
software
3.24
page
24
of
the
booklet,
page
15
of
the
report.
G
So
this
is
indicating
that
the
software
itself
has
a
floor
where
post
inspection
isn't
being
signposted
on
projects
which
are
over
a
thousand
pounds.
Can
I
just
ask
I
mean?
G
Maybe
you
have
or
you
haven't,
got
the
answers
to
this,
but
and
maybe
I
should
speak
to
ada
holmes,
but
were
any
the
did
this
actually
manifest
itself
in
any
any
missing
post
inspection
work
for
for
repairs
that
were
over
a
thousand
pound,
including
maybe
the
inner
rooms
project
too.
G
C
So
with
this
one,
we
actually
will
need
to
refer
it
to
homes,
but
what
I
would
say
is
that
the
inner
rooms
project
is
outside
this
is
to
do
with
the
day-to-day
repairs,
whereas
xena
rooms
is
part
of
the
capital
programme
has
a
surveyor
assigned
to
it,
who
will
be
doing
contract
management
inspections,
ensuring
that
the
work
is
completed
adequate
and
following
up
with
any
post
scheme
issues
any
snags?
D
Just
another
point
just
to
to
pick
up
is
the
finding:
was
they
don't
have
a
report
and
they
can't
generate
a
report
to
make
sure
that
they
are
complying
with
their
own
requirement
to
inspect
all
jobs
over
a
thousand
pounds.
So
they've
got
no
way
of
ensuring
completeness,
although
they
do
do
inspections,
there's
no
way
to
make
sure
they're
doing
all
of
them.
J
Yes,
thank
you
thanks
chair,
so
I've
got
two
questions
and
they're
all
they're
correlated
and
on
page
two
or
page
11
of
the
larger
text,
and
it
talks
at
the
bottom
here
about
28
reviews.
Totaling
526
days.
I
don't
think
I've
ever
asked
how
many
staff
are
we
talking
about
working
to
those
526
days,
because
if
it's
only
one
and
obviously
we're
gonna
have
a
tip
over
into
the
next
year
very
easily,
and
could
you
confirm
how
many
staff
we're
looking
at
working
today's
five
to
six
days?
J
Please
and
then
the
second
question
and
I'm
for
the
benefit
of
my
colleagues
I'll,
keep
it
as
succinct
as
I
can
is.
I
have
seen.
Let
me
go
to
the
webpage,
the
on
number
19
in
the
large
text.
I've
seen
the
leaseholder
services
charges
on
this
report
so
many
times
now,
and
I've
actually
really
delved
into
some
of
the
issues
a
lot
more
and
then
the
risks.
I
understand
you're
reporting
on
that.
It's
very
it's
very
coherent,
but
there
are
so
many
risks
attached
to
this.
J
No,
they
have
no
legal
costs
and
admin
fees
to
giving
people
information
on
interest-free
loans,
with
one
interest
with
one
interest
payment
and
then
and
then
another
time
giving
them
a
different
figure
to
also
not
knowing
when
we
should
be
pursuing
monies
to
to
not
know
when
we
should
be
pursuing
monies,
and
so
when
we
come
to
that
financial
risk
that
we
talked
about
just
back
in
training.
J
This
seems
really
very
very
key,
because
I'm
not
confident
that
we're
recalling
our
costs,
we
it
talks
about
staff,
not
knowing
what
the
set
costs
are
or
having
a
clear
document
to
instruct
residents.
So
I
guess
tied
into
that
question
about
the
five
to
six
days.
Is
you
know?
Could
we
ask
for
some
more
time
for
to
get
this?
D
That's
fine,
it's!
I
think
it's
it's
fairly
simple,
so
I
work
for
a
company
called
mazars
and
we
we
provide
the
internal
audit
service
to
the
council.
So
the
council
pays
us
to
do
the
internal
audit
service.
There's
a
lot
of
advantage
to
that.
There's
a
couple
of
disadvantages,
but
the
big
advantage
is:
we've
got
quite
a
large
pool
of
staff.
D
We've
got
over
100
staff
to
do
public
sector
internal
audits.
We've
got
a
lot
more
staff
to
do
other
things,
but
general
public
sector
turnaround.
It's
got
over
100
staff,
so
the
capacity
is
we
do
with
that.
When
you
talk
about
how
big
to
the
team
is,
we've
got
a
fairly
large
team,
but
we'll
draw
on
that
team,
depending
on
on
on
the
nature
of
the
individual
audits
and
sue
smith.
The
field
manager
for
for
this
particular
contract,
who
he
works
very
closely
with
with
sarah
and
is,
is,
is
dedicated
for
this
council.
D
She
will
draw
the
staff
that
she
needs
to
do
the
audits
and
the
timing.
That's
agreed.
So
I
think
that
answers
your
question
about
the
five
two
to
six
days
in
terms
of
the
leasehold
service
charges,
audits-
and
I
don't
know
if
there's
a
there's
a
misconception
here,
because
I
was
listening
to
what
you
were
saying
is
internal
audits
will
go
and
do
their
work.
Look
at
a
particular
service.
They'll
ask
their
questions.
They'll,
assess
the
controls,
look
at
the
paperwork
and
we'll
generate
a
report
with
findings.
D
It's
up
to
that
service
to
to
sort
it
and
to
remedy
it.
So
the
time
is
not
our
time.
It's
their
time.
It's
the
services
time
to
do
that
and
when
I
did
report
verbally
back
to
to
to
the
committee
earlier
is
that
was
one
of
the
recommendations
where
I'd
had
an
update
yesterday
and
the
service
have
now
recruited
somebody
permanently
to
the
substantive
post
and
their
task
will
be
to
to
generate
that's
that
policy.
D
Well,
members
had
been
tracking
the
progress
of
that
policy,
but
obviously,
with
the
time
that's
gone
past
as
they
need
to
relook
at
it,
fresh
and
and
and
redo
it
so
that
the
task
of
that
particular
individual,
that's
now
been
recruited
is
going
to
to
make
sure
that
they
get
that
policy
out
and
they've
put
a
time
scale
of
of
the
end
of
the
year.
So
it's
their
time
not
not
ours.
J
Okay,
I
appreciate
your
response
and-
and
thank
you
for
that
clarity-
it
doesn't
say
that
there's
any
draft
policy
coming
in
the
agreed
actions
comments.
An
original
implementation
deadline,
follow-up
comments.
I
can't
see
that
anywhere,
counselor.
J
J
Okay.
Okay.
Thank
you.
I
just
wanted
to
express
the
commit
concern
to
the
committee
from
myself
that
and
whilst
we've
got
a
new
employee
coming
in,
it
looks
like
the
benefit
of
such
or
the
you
know.
The
new
policy
won't
be
done
until
we
look
at
benefiting
the
next
financial
year.
So
that's
just
concerning
the
cost
of
living
issues.
We've
got
reserve
issues.
A
Thank
you.
If
nobody's
got
any
more
questions,
we
will
now
move
on
to
the
debate.
A
A
K
K
A
A
Wow
that
was
an
easy
ride,
so
for
a
moment
there
I
thought
ms
goby
had
a
question,
but
she
was
just
moving
her
glasses,
so
the
the
joint
governance
committee
is
recommended
to
note
the
annual
report
and
to
refer
to
any
comments
or
suggestions
to
the
next
meeting
of
the
joint
strategic
committee
on
the
11th
of
october
2022
and
recommended
to
note
the
annual
treasury
management
report
for
2021-22.
A
A
H
Thank
you
chair.
This
is
a
little
bit
of
housekeeping
really
for
for
the
committee
to
have
a
look
at
this
evening.
It
follows
on
from
the
government's
response
to
its
own
consultation
on
the
local
government
audit
framework,
which
has
been
going
on
now
for
about
three
years
and
that
response
came
out
in
may,
and
one
of
the
key
recommendations
that
is
highlighted
in
this
report
is
that
when
parliamentary
time
allows,
the
government
will
legislate
that
all
councils
will
have
to
have
what
is
titled
an
audit
committee.
H
H
It's
it's
an
it's
a
title
that
we
need
to
adopt
at
some
point
now,
government
hasn't
stated
when
it
will
legislate,
and
it
may
be
some
months
or
possibly
even
years
before
this
comes
forward
onto
the
legislative
framework.
Nevertheless,
it
is
considered
to
be
good
practice,
as
recommended
by
sipfer
the
chartered
institute
of
public
finance
and
accountancy,
to
have
an
audit
committee.
H
As
I
said,
we
have
a
committee
which
does
very
good
audit
work
already.
We
just
need
to
insert
the
word
audit
into
its
title,
which
is
it
may
sound
a
minor
thing,
but
it
matters
to
the
people
that
are
looking
at
us
and
and
considering
this.
The
other
recommendation
that
will
come
forward
from
government
as
a
response
to
the
consultation
is
that
there
should
be
at
least
one
independent
member
on
every
council's
audit
committee.
H
Firstly,
to
recommend
the
change
of
title
of
the
committee
and
to
appoint,
in
this
case,
two
non-voting
co-opted
independent
members
to
accord
with
the
good
practice
guidance
and
the
government's
legislative
proposals,
we're
very
fortunate
in
having
already
two
independent
persons
for
our
standards
regime
matters
who
are
appointed
already
to
this
committee,
mr
norris
jones
and
miss
filgen,
we're
very
fortunate
to
have
lindsay
vilgen
in
the
in
the
room
tonight
with
us.
H
There
is
one
other
recommendation
that
you
shall
see
about
the
the
annual
reporting
on
the
council's
audit
functions,
but
hopefully
that
will
be
something
which
members
can
agree
as
a
matter
of
course
as
good
practice.
So
this
is
really,
as
I
said,
a
piece
of
housekeeping
a
bit
of
good
practice.
Incorporation
into
the
the
committee's
terms
of
reference.
I
Yes,
thank
you
chairman.
Could
mr
world
tell
me
if
any
consideration
was
given
to
actually
forming
a
separate
committee
so
that
there
would
be
a
governance
committee
and
a
committee
covering
audits
and
accounts
of
the
council,
and
could
he
tell
us
whether
he's
looked
at
any
other
councils
and
best
practice
to
see
whether
they
have
this
combined
governance,
audit,
an
accounting
committee
or
whether
they
have
two
separate
committees.
H
H
The
government
itself,
kemi,
badnok
mp,
has
made
it
clear
that
audit
committees
could
quite
conceivably
have
a
wide
variety
of
other
functions
in
addition
to
audit
and
accounts
under
their
terms
of
reference
and
therefore
it's
it.
It's
a
matter
of
pragmatism
to
create.
Another
committee,
creates
another
raft
of
of
bureaucracy
and
and
process
time
and
resources.
H
This
this
committee
is
well
established.
It's
undertaken.
These
variable
functions
for
many
years
with
great
effect,
and
there
seemed
to
be
no
good
reason
to
dismantle
that
and
separate
out
the
two
areas,
especially
as
it's
considered
to
be
quite
standard
practice
in
many
authorities,
and
indeed
it's
considered
so
by
the
government
and
zipfer.
I
Well,
only
just
noting
where
we
are
and
the
time
I
think
we
will
need
to
be
careful
with.
I
So
it's
my
concern
is
over
workload
and
just
looking
at
the
time
now,
but
it's
taken
us
to
get
this
far
as
to
whether
the
workload
will
be
too
great.
But
I
accept
that
officers
are
happy
to
to
sit
through.
I
don't
actually
accept
at
all
that
there
will
be
an
increase
in
bureaucracy,
because
separating
two
parts
of
a
committee
into
two
committees
really
isn't
an
increase
in
bureaucracy,
but
others
obviously
may
disagree.
A
My
own
opinion
is
the
pragmatic
approach
that
we
should
do
it
and
see
how
it
goes
and
then,
if
it
does
what
you're
forecasting
then
we
think
again
and
that's
how
I
would
see
it
does
anybody
else
have
any
more
questions.
E
Thank
you
very
much
in
respect
of
the
independent
persons.
Like
I
keep
thinking,
we
should
really
be
saying
independent
people,
but
that's
just
my
use
of
the
english
language,
I'm
very
happy
with
that
recommendation
very
happy
for
that
at
all.
In
respect
of
the
the
funk
the
audit
function
in
4.6,
the
last
bullet
point
on
page
64
of
your
of
your
agenda.
It
says
to
receive
the
annual
risk
report.
I
think
we
should
do
a
little
bit
more
than
receive
it.
E
I
think
we
should
examine
it
and
test
it
and
scrutinize
it
in
detail,
because
that,
for
me
fits
in
with
all
the
other
setting
the
the
functions
of
the
internal
and
external
audit
work
to
make
sure
that
those
those
risks
are
being
maintained,
as
indeed
we've
spent
the
last
hour
or
so
discussing
on
on
other
matters.
So
on
that
bullet
point
I'd
like
to
make
it
far
more
active.
If
I
may
thank
you
chairman.
H
A
A
A
A
H
H
Up
two
ones:
yes,
james.
Thank
you
for
that.
This
is
for
essentially
worthing
members,
because
this
is
a
recommendation
to
go
to
the
worthing
council,
to
appoint,
to
sorry,
to
establish,
first
of
all,
a
special
meeting
of
the
council
to
confer
the
status
the
honorary
status
of
aldermen
to
the
two
individuals
named
in
the
report.
H
So
it's
the
it
falls
within
the
terms
of
reference
of
this
committee
to
consider
the
recommendations
and,
if
agreed,
then
to
make
a
proposal
for
a
special
meeting
of
the
full
council
of
worthing
council
to
make
the
necessary
appointments.
So
this
committee
doesn't
actually
make
the
appointments
it
recommends
the
making
of
the
appointment.
A
A
So
councillor
wait.
I
Thank
you
chairman.
Certainly
since
I
was
first
elected
to
the
council
in
1992,
the
council,
worthingborough
council
has
always
made
the
appointment
of
honorary
aldermen
on
two
past
mayors,
and
I
see
no
reason
why
we
should
break
from
that
tradition
tonight.
So
I
would
be
happy
to
propose
both
council
mcdonald
and
councillor
smitherman
to
receive
the
the
accolade
of
honorary
aldermen.
A
J
Thank
you.
Thank
you
very
much.
I'm
not
going
to
obviously
vote
on
this
because
it's
a
worthy
matter,
but
I
was
just
going
to
raise
something
that
struck
me,
is
that
when
we
look
at
the
older
men
and
older
women
and
history,
I
believe
that
we've
got
the
first
female
male
in
how
many
years
been
worthing.
Now,
perhaps
it's
the
first
ever
hazel
I'll
beg
your
pardon.
So
sorry,
I
beg
your
pardon,
so
I
just
feel
that
perhaps
there
I
was
going
to
say.
J
One
thing
is
that
some
of
the
duration
for
how
long
you
need
to
have
been
a
counsellor
and
and
for
the
time
you
need
to
have
been
in
a
in
in
a
role
and
the
role
types
cabinet
head
of
group
would
tend
to
lend
to
potentially
more
men
than
they
would
women.
So
I
think
if
there
could
be
some,
I
was
just
going
to
say
just
as
a
suggestion
if
there
could
be
some
flexibility
as
to
typically
who
takes
these
roles
on.
That
would
be
a
suggestion.
Thank
you.
A
I
Yeah
just
avoid
any
confusion.
Those
criteria
don't
apply
to
people
who've
already
been
mayor.
They
would
simply
be
appointed
having
been
the
mayor,
these
criteria
for
people
like
myself,
who
have
never
been
there,
and
it
would
be
then
for
a
committee
to
decide
whether
my
my
performance,
when
I
finally
come
off
for
council,
actually
fits
these
criteria.
There
are
also
quite
a
few
women
who
have
been
on
for
quite
a
long
time
as
well,
and
I
I've
not
actually
tried
to
work
out
the
longest
serving,
but
most
of
them
tend
to
have
been
mayor.
I
So
on
our
side,
for
example,
heather
mercer
has
been
been
there
and
there
have
been
quite
a
few
actually
women
there.
When
I
first
came
on
the
council,
mary
wilton
was
was
mayor
back
in
92,
so
it's
something
that's
been
going
on
for
quite
a
long
time
in
terms
of
quite
a
high
proportion
of
mayors,
past
mayors
have
been
women
and
henry
is
of
course,
the
first
muslim
woman
there,
because
jack
syed
was
the
first
male
muslim
there.
So
we
do,
we
do
mix
it
up.
A
I
I've
just
had
to
look
around
the
committee
and
I
think
you're
right
to
make
this
point.
As
the
only
woman
on
the
committee.