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From YouTube: District Advisory Council (DAC) Meeting 5/24/23
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Alachua County Public Schools
A
B
E
B
F
So
I
don't
intend
to
take
up
much
time
of
everybody,
but
I
I
have
heard
and
thought
it
would
be
helpful
to
make
sure
that
we
do
just
a
little
bit
of
a
refresher
on
sunshine
and
public
records
and
get
everybody
on
the
DAC
on
the
same
page
about
the
degree
to
which
the
Sunshine
Law
and
the
public
records
law
applies
to
the
work
that
the
DAC
is
doing.
So
let
me
share
my
screen.
F
Okay,
great
a
little
bit
of
delay
always
makes
me
nervous
okay.
So
what
I
wanted
to
share
with
everybody
is
there
is,
you
might
be
surprised,
to
know
applicability
of
the
Sunshine
Law
and
the
public
records
law
even
to
the
work
that
a
committee
does
on
behalf
of
a
public
entity
like
the
school
board.
F
This
is
the
language
from
the
Florida
Constitution,
which
talks
about
all
meetings
of
a
school
district
at
which
any
kind
of
an
official
act
has
to
be
taken
or
public
businesses
discussed.
The
Sunshine
Law
applies
to
it,
okay,
Amos
McGraw
and
then
so.
That's
language
from
the
Florida
Constitution
to
sort
of
follow
the
up
on
that
and
fill
that
out.
F
F
F
H
F
Sure
and
Ms
McGraw
I'm
not
I'm,
not
getting
to
the
the
substance
of
any
decisions
made
by
the
board
I'm,
just
talking
generally
about
the
Sunshine
Law
and
public
records,
as
it
applies
to
to
folks
on
the
DAC,
and
so
these
are
the
requirements
of
a
public
meeting
and
hopefully,
Mr
Aikens
is
keeping
us
on
track
with
keeping
minutes
and
making
sure
that
we
have
noticed
go
out
ahead
of
time.
So
those
number
two
and
number
three
are
taken.
F
Care
of
we've
got
to
make
sure
that
these
meetings
are
open
to
the
public
that
we
would
allow
a
member
of
the
public,
a
member
of
the
media.
Anybody
like
that
to
attend
a
DAC
meeting
if
they
wanted
to
so
then
we're
still
talking
about
this
issue
of
when
would
the
sunshine
requirements
be
triggered,
based
on
an
action
that
the
DAC
or
something
that
the
DAC
was
doing
and
that
would
be
attributed
back
to
the
school
board.
Well,
one
of
the
things
that
the
courts
look
out
for
is
some
sort
of
Delegation
of
authority.
F
If
it
looks
like
the
school
board
or
the
public
entity,
the
city
commission,
the
County
Commission
anything
like
that
is
pushing
a
decision
down
to
a
committee.
The
work
of
that
committee
can
be
put
back
on
the
school
board
or
the
County
Commission
by
the
courts
and
the
things
that
they
look
for
are
elimination
of
options.
F
So
if
the
DAC
were
to
look
at
seven
different
options
and
then
make
a
recommendation
that
hey
here's
our
top
three
board-
and
we
want
you
to
consider
one
of
these
three,
because
we've
tried
to
do
some
of
your
work
and
eliminate
options.
Four
through
seven
courts
would
hold
based
on
past
decisions
that
that
is
a
decision
of
the
board
by
eliminating
options
and
limiting
what
the
board
could
discuss
at
a
future
public
meeting.
The
court
said
that
could
be
a
sunshine
violation.
F
They
don't
get
a
chance
to
say
whether
option
number
five
was
the
best
option,
because
if
they
just
go
to
the
Future
school
board,
meeting
option
five
is
not
even
on
the
agenda.
That's
not
something
that
even
is
getting
discussed
because
it's
already
been
eliminated
in
committee
ahead
of
time
and
the
problem
with
that
is.
If
you
eliminate
something
that
violates
the
sunshine,
the
Court's
going
to
consider
that
the
action
is
not
valid
and
the
the
whole
process
would
have
to
start
back
over
and
make
sure
that
every
step
was
taken
in
the
sunshine.
F
It
would.
The
court
would
undo
whatever
final
decision
had
been
made
by
the
board,
so
anything
that
involves
ranking
of
options
or
elimination
of
choices
that
can
trigger
the
sunshine
issues
and,
on
the
other
hand,
if
all
the
DAC
is
doing
is
a
delegated
fact-finding
role.
If
the
DAC
is
investigating
options
and
putting
some
meat
on
the
bone
or
providing
additional
information
for
the
board
to
consider
without
ranking
or
eliminating
options,
that's
totally
appropriate
and
and
that's
fine
and
there
would
not
be
any
Sunshine
violation
associated
with
that.
F
So
then,
the
concern
is
the
DAC
over
the
years
gets
asked
to
do
a
lot
of
different
things,
and
sometimes
it's
fact-finding,
and
sometimes
it's
been
really
digging
into
and
maybe
ranking
some
options,
and
we
just
need
to
be
cautious
to
avoid
ranking
things
or
eliminating
options
in
the
future
and
instead
focus
on
acts
that
are
simply
developing
more
information
or
maybe
even
more
options
for
the
board
to
consider
at
a
future
meeting.
That's
in
the
sunshine
and
noticed,
and
members
of
the
public
can
come
and
weigh
in
on.
F
F
F
One
thing
that
we
might
want
to
consider:
it
wouldn't
be
my
decision,
but
any
member
of
the
DAC
might
need
to
be
issued
a
school
board
email
account
because
otherwise
the
work
that
they
do
on
the
DAC.
It
has
to
be
something
that
can
be
captured
by
that
personal
email
account
and
we
might
need
to
do
searches
of
that
personal
email
account
to
respond
to
a
public
records
request.
That
can
be
time
intensive.
F
It
can
feel
intrusive
to
have
somebody
going
through
your
emails
and
evaluating
whether
it
falls
under
the
request
or
not,
or
is
there
any
kind
of
exemption
or
private
information
in
there,
and
so
a
better
practice
would
be
for
members
of
the
DAC
to
have
a
sbac
email
account
and
I
think
that's
something
that
we
could
set
up
and
do
I'm.
Just
looking
at
the
invitation
list.
F
We
need
to
just
keep
in
mind
that
when
you're
working
for
the
DAC
on
something
that
could
be
considered
to
be
a
public
issue,
DAC
members
should
not
get
into
long
discussions
or
email
strings
with
themselves
going
back
and
forth
outside
of
a
public
meeting.
Okay.
So
if
we
get
into
an
email
stream,
where
somebody
says
hey,
I
think
the
DAC
should
do
X,
Y
or
Z,
and
then
somebody
responds
if
you're,
not
on
that
email
string.
F
F
Sbac
email
accounts,
so
we
can
just
keep
track
of
all
the
DAC
business
on
those
and
all
the
business
can
get
transacted
that
way
and
let's
continue
to
make
sure
that
we
are
publicly
noticing
our
DAC
meetings
and
not
when
we're
in
them
eliminating
options
or
ranking
choices
to
send
to
the
board.
Does
anybody
have
any
questions
about
any
of
that.
F
I
Have
a
question:
yes,
thanks
for
coming
on,
Mr
Dillon
I
really
appreciate
it
and
really
great
points.
I.
Think
it's
great
for
all
of
us
to
be
educated
on
this.
So
are
we
as
a
DAC?
We
are
falling
under
it's
unclear.
We
are
noticing
these
meetings
as
public
meetings
and
they're.
They
are
open
meetings
to
the
public
as
the
statute
contemplates
regarding
in
the
sunshine.
Is
that
accurate.
F
I
think
that's
what
we
need
to
do,
because
sometimes
the
DAC
could
be
doing
work
that
would
implicate
the
sunshine
and
My
worry
is
that
you
might
not
know
ahead
of
time
based
on
the
assignment.
Hey.
Is
this
work
that
that
a
court
might
consider
in
the
future
to
be
Sunshine
qualifying
work
of
that's
been
delegated
to
this
committee
by
the
school
board
and
therefore
all
of
the
requirements
of
the
Sunshine
Law
had
to
be
followed,
because
we
don't
know
that
ahead
of
time.
I
I
So
that
way,
we're
all
covered
and
we're
handling
this
properly.
And
if
that
happens,
go
to
my
next
point.
We
can
therefore
do
at
ranked
Choice
ranking
things
eliminating
things
whatever,
because
the
Public's
had
opportunity
and
has
been
noticed
that
these
discussions
are
happening
in
the
public
at
a
publicly
notice.
Meeting
in
the
sunshine
is
that
right.
I
Okay
and
I
mean
just
my
experience
with
a
host
of
advisory
boards
at
other
local
governments.
You
know
this
is
standard
practice.
That
meetings
are
noticed
to
the
public
they're
available.
The
public.
These
advisory
boards
are
maybe
an
Advisory
Board.
That's
look
at
Alachua
County,
for
example,
Alachua
County
has
you
know
a
bike
and
pedestrian
board.
They
have
a
land
conservation
board.
F
And
to
be
totally
clear,
I'm
not
looking
to
come
in,
and
water
down
the
work
of
the
DAC
and
I
don't
want
anyone
who's
spending
their
valuable
time
on
this
work
to
feel
like
they
can't
really
substantively
participate
on
doing
something
like
eliminating
options
or
ranking
choices.
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
everybody
understands
that's
the
triggering
event
where
the
Sunshine
Law
definitely
kicks
in.
So
we
definitely
need
to
be
make
making
sure
that
we're
in
compliance
anytime,
action
like
that
would
be
taken.
I
F
Mr
bukhari
said
it
better
than
I
did.
Thank
you
for
for
filling
that
in
text
messages
too
y'all
I
mean
that's
a
huge
area
and
I'm
in
no
way
implying
that
anybody
would
do
anything
inappropriate,
but
it's
just
not
fun.
To
have
somebody
digging
through
your
text
messages
and
having
the
newspaper
complaining
about.
A
A
We
have
not
had.
The
only
issue
I
can
think
of
perhaps
is
where
we
broke
into
groups
in
our
large
group
meeting
our
largest
group
meeting,
and
then
those
small
groups
did
not
come
back
together
to
discuss
what
was
discussed
in
the
small
groups.
That's
the
only
issue,
I
can
think
of
that
was
a
few
months
ago,
but
unless
I'm
missing
some
Intrigue
here,
there's
nothing
you
know
I
want
to
get.
You
know
be
sure
and
say
this
in
case.
Anyone
is
wondering
what
they've
missed.
A
C
So
remember,
the
issue
came
up
in
last
meeting
because
it
was
asked
if
Mr
Delaney
could
come
and
clarify
what
you
know
the
do's
and
don'ts
are
is
because
there
was
an
email
thread
because
people
were
said
members
when
I
say
people
were
suggesting
topics
and
the
responses
back
to
that.
That's
what
brought
up
an
issue,
and
so
that
was
why
Mr.
A
That
is
not
the
same
thing
as
what
Mr
Delaney
just
described.
He
described
an
email
thread
where
you
go
back
and
forth
on
a
long
thread.
That's
not
the
same
thing
as
someone
say,
you
know
saying
here's
a
topic
to
add
to
the
agenda.
Here's
is
another
person
saying
here's
another
topic
to
add
to
the
agenda.
He
specifically
said
a
long
thread
back
and
forth
and
we
have
not
had
those
right.
A
C
A
F
Right
in
in
any
time,
you
start
having
those
email
threads.
You
don't
know
if
someone
might
respond
by
saying
well,
I
think
that's
a
great
idea
and
I
think
the
others
are
terrible
and
I
think
that
we
should
do
X,
Y
and
Z
and
then
suddenly
we're
Into,
Sunshine
violation
territory,
so
just
not
responding
and
is
a
better
practice
and-
and
this
was
I
really,
this
Crosby
I
think
this
is
intended
to
be
preventative,
informative
right
as
much
as
anything.
A
D
I
I
Well,
I
just
want
to
say
yeah.
My
intent
is
to
make
sure
that
I
know
this
stuff.
I
live
this
world
for
for
almost
14
years
right.
My
my
suggestion
is
simply
to
and
questions
are,
to
clarify
because
there
are
volunteers
on
here
who
have
no
clue
about
this
stuff
and
are
volunteering
their
time.
I.
Don't
want
them
to
be
tied
up
and
being
dragged
into
court
over
something
great.
I
J
C
And
may
I
speak
again,
I
just
for
just
a
question:
it
would
I,
don't
know
if
this
is
something
that
the
DAC
would
like
to
do,
but
the
DAC
membership
can
be
a
bit
transient
when
it
comes
to
year
to
year
and
there
are
new
people
coming
on
so
I.
This
is
just
me
as
staff
suggesting
this
to
the
DAC
I
think
it
would
be
a
good
idea
if
we
could
ask
Mr
Delaney
if
he
could
do
this
presentation
at
the
very
first
DAC
meeting.
F
B
Yeah
I,
to
be
honest
with
you,
that
would
be
a
perfect
presentation
to
have,
as
we
open
a
new
year
for
deck,
because
that
way
we
can
decide
right
there.
If
we've
got
members
who
aren't
you
know,
don't
have
SBC
emails,
we
can
get
them
as
BAC
emails,
because
yeah
I
wouldn't
want
them
snooping
through
my
personal
email
either
you
know
and
that's
why
I
always
do
everything.
School
Board
related,
whether
it's
Dax
Sac,
whatever
it
is
always
through
sbac,
and
they
should
try
to
keep
a
firewall
between
that
and
everything
else.
B
So,
yes
and
and
Mr
Delaney.
Thank
you
so
very
much
this.
This
has
really
been
enlightening.
The
these
are
things
that
no
matter
how
many
times
you
go
through
things
like
this
and
Mr
bakari
is
right.
It's
it's!
It's
a
lot
of
stuff
and
it's
easy
to
run
a
foul
with
it
without
ever
having
any
ill
intention.
Anything
like
that,
and
that's
that
it
it's
wonderful
and
thank
you
so
much.
Your
presentation
was
exactly
as
promised,
sir.
Okay.
F
F
A
We
have
first
on
this
agenda
under
group.
Discussion
is
place,
the
hanging
phone
caddies
in
all
Middle
and
High
School
classrooms,
as
requested
by
individual
teachers,
and
we
had
a
presentation
on
that
last
time
from
Miss,
flamon
and
I'm
going
to
have
her
unmute
and
see
if
she
had
anything.
She
wanted
to
add
from
last
time
about
that
and
there's
been
some
legislation
signed
at
the
state
level
since
last
time,.
J
Thank
you
so
much
yes,
I
have
I've,
got
input
from
folks
and
I'm
happy
to
continue
discussion
and
Mr
Aikens
I
updated
my
my
request
from
last
week
and
I
just
sent
you
a
copy.
Could
you
put
that
up
on
the
board?
Somehow
do
you
have
my
I
sent
an
attachment
for
my
proposal
and
also
attachment
for
tips
from
teachers?
If
you
can
find
that
in
your
in
your
email,
I,
don't
know
how
easy
it
is
for
you
I'm,
terrible
with
technology.
J
So
if
you
do
it,
if
not
that's
great
okay,
so
here's
where
I
am
with
this.
We
have
a
lot
of
terrible,
difficult,
challenging
problems
that
cost
a
lot
of
time
and
money.
This
is
one
that
doesn't
cost
a
lot
of
money,
doesn't
cost
a
lot
of
time
and
I
think
it
helps
hundreds
and
hundreds
of
teachers
and
kids
quickly.
J
So
that's
why
I
kind
of
honed
in
on
it
the
teachers
I
spoke
to
all
think
discipline
is
important,
is
crucial
as
an
issue
and
I
kind
of
jumped
in
on
the
the
cell
phone
issue,
as
one
of
the
one
of
the
things
that
people
that
my
folks
consider
the
most
important
were
kind
of
in
our
culture.
At
we
have
a
perfect
storm.
We
have
incredible
new
technology,
that's
on
the
kids
cell
phones,
that
is
constantly
improving
and
is
very
addictive,
and
it's
Way
Beyond.
Most
of
our
ability.
J
We
have
a
crucial
storm
of
the
teachers
in
the
classroom,
have
not
been
when
we
were
in
teacher
school.
We
didn't
learn
how
to
deal
with
cell
phones.
None
of
us
had
any
classes
in
dealing
with
technology
in
the
classroom
years
ago,
and
so
teachers
are
sort
of
behind
the
the
scope
of
this
and
then
another
part
of
the
perfect
storm
is
covered
and
covet
kids
got
more
on
screens
than
ever
before,
and
then
the
final
part
of
the
perfect
storm
is
that
we
are
necessarily
being
real
gentle
with
our
kids.
J
We
all
know
the
kids
are
in
trauma
post
times
and
we've
been
told
that
there's
a
lot
of
mental
health
issues.
So
if
you,
if
you
put
all
that
together,
the
cell
phones,
the
parents,
the
struggles,
the
the
new
technology,
that's
constantly
changing
the
covid
which
made
it
worse
and
then
the
trauma
that
makes
us
hesitant
to
act
I
think
it's
a
really
good
time
to
give
teachers.
An
extra
plan
to
help
are
just
an
extra
tool
to
help
them
deal
with
this,
and
that's
why
I
proposed
it.
J
J
The
hanging,
caddy
pocket
and
I
feel
like
I,
looked
at
prices
and
I
kind
of
estimated
which
teachers
might
want
or
not
want
them
and
I
feel
like
the
whole
thing
could
be
done
in
less
than
five
thousand
dollars
and
then
also
it
would
include
a
little
poster
that
shows
that
it's
a
county,
supported
policy
and
also
a
handout
that
that
gives
ideas
from
teachers.
How
to
use
that.
How
to
use
it-
and
my
last
thing
I
want
to
say,
is
the
the
the
union
is
on
board
with
this.
J
I
spoke
with
two
of
the
Union
reps
and
they
said
they
totally
support
anything
that
supports
the
School
Code
of
Conduct,
the
county
code
of
conduct,
and
it
absolutely
says
in
the
county
code
of
conduct
that
cell
phones
are
not
to
be
used
in
the
classroom
and
class
instruction,
without
thus
permission
of
the
teacher.
So
this
is
not
a
rule
change,
it's
just
a
tool
to
help
support
the
role
we
already
have
in
place
and
the
rule
is
the
rules
not
bad?
J
A
A
So
your
timing
sort
of
goes
along
really
well
with
this,
because
you
know
this
is
going
to
be
in
the
news.
I
think
a
lot
and
then
when
the
new
school
year
starts
because
of
of
this
taking
effect
so
I
didn't
know.
If
you
had
seen
that
it's
in
the
in
the
Orlando
Sentinel
had
a
good
article,
I
didn't
I
had
did
have
it
on
a
screen,
but
we
don't
need
to
share
it,
but
just
something
you
might
want
to
you
know
add
if
we.
J
When
you
pursue
yeah,
that's
if
we've
got
support
from
outside
stakeholders,
that's
even
better
excellent,
so
my
last
thing
I
want
to
say
is:
when
I
talk
to
the
union
rep.
The
first
thing
that
she
told
me
was:
oh,
she
said
you
know
what
that
that
is
a
a
tool,
that's
being
used
by
our
County
teacher
of
the
year.
Right
now
with
high
success
and
I
thought
perfect.
J
J
They
already
have
things
under
control,
the
the
the
bottom
10
of
the
teachers
that
are
challenged,
they're
not
going
to
be
able
to
use
this
either
they're
already
challenged
with
just
day-to-day
things:
I'm
thinking
about
teachers
like
me,
and
the
80
percent,
who
could
use
an
extra
tool
to
help
me
with
discipline
and
classroom
structure,
and
that's
it.
Thank
you.
B
Thank
you
so
much
Mrs
Lamar,
that
is
you
know,
and
now,
okay,
I
I
know
I'm
somewhere
in
between
both
of
you.
I
know
that
that
wall
got
passed,
but
I
am
drowning
in
Cambridge
physics
exams
right
now.
So
this
this
is
a
time
where
everything
else
kind
of
gets
pushed
to
the
side.
My
question
is:
does
anyone
know
the
specifics
of
this
fall
because
school
board
policy
isn't
cell
phones
are
forbidden
period?
It's
cell
phones
are
forbidden,
but
if
a
teacher
allows
yes
excuse
of
them,
yes
is
the
state
law
just
a
straight
up?
A
B
Put
your
phones
in
the
in
a
little
thing
unless
we're
going
to
use
them
for
some
because
I,
you
know,
as
someone
who
teaches
the
best
and
the
brightest
I'm
telling
you
almost
every
student
I
have
could
do
a
letter
grade
or
two
better
on
their
Cambridge
Physics
Exam.
If
I
could
get
them
off
their
stinking
cell
phones.
You
know
they.
When
they've
asked
the
same
question
the
40th
time.
B
You
know
they
think
they
can
multitask,
they
can't
it's
psychologically,
not
possible.
It's
just
not,
and
it
is.
It
is
a
detrimental
thing
and
and
I
don't
mean
to
say
that
it's
drugs,
but
it
has
that
same
kind
of
effect
that
it's
like
they'll.
Do
that
to
the
exclusion
of
anything
anything,
that's
good
for
them,
anything
that's
going
to
benefit
their
future.
There
is
a
group
of
kids
who
are
just
did
so
what
I
would
call
signs
of
addiction
and
I?
Don't
know
exactly
how
to
put
it.
B
B
B
I
I
want
to
see
someone
enforce
that
because
I
I,
don't
really
I,
don't
have
a
horse
in
the
race.
I,
don't
do
Tick,
Tock
I,
don't
understand
it,
but
ultimately,
if,
if
the
powers
that
be
see
that
as
a
problem
great,
then
let's
address
that
as
well.
But
getting
the
phones
out
of
their
hands
is
going
to
be
important,
but
I'm
telling
you
right
now
it
is
going
to
be
met
with
one
whale
of
a
backlash.
There
are
going
to
be
so
many
you
know
and
I
cannot
that
I
mean
I.
B
Like
you,
many
of
you
on
this
call
were
of
a
generation
that
when
I
was
at
school,
my
mom
could
not
get
in
touch
with
me.
Nor
can
I
get
in
touch
with
her
unless
I
went
to
the
office
and
you
know
use
the
school's
phone
I
can't
fathom
this
I
have
to
be
in
contact
with
my
kid
24
7.
every
minute
at
school.
No,
you
don't.
We
we've
got
this,
we're
taking
care
of
your
kid.
That's
that's
the
point
of
school.
Is
we
are
responsible
for
your
child?
B
G
It's
a
quick
question:
I've
heard
you
talk
about
it.
Are
there
any
I
haven't
seen
anything.
What
other
consequences
I
mean
I'm
in
elementary,
but
is
there
a
consequence
for
you
know
when
they
don't
comply?
I've
heard
any
I've
seen
all
the
things
that
you
know
the
purpose
of
it.
What
are
the
consequences
for
those
students
who
don't
comply.
B
Typically,
it
is
a
referral,
so
if,
if
I
have
a
student
who
is
inappropriately
using
a
cell
phone
in
class,
I
simply
write
a
referral
to
the
dean
and
the
dean
addresses
it
with
whatever
would
be
the
appropriate
in-school
suspension,
you
know
whatever
the
the
consequence
may
be,
but
it
is
a
referable
offense,
no
different
than
a
dress
code,
violation
or
personality
in
the
classroom
or
whatever
it
might
be.
Sir,
yes.
B
A
Phone
or
anything
because
that's
in
the
the
conduct
code,
we're
just
basically
provide
recommending
to
provide
another
tool
to
assist
teachers
with
a
discouraging
phone
use,
we're
not
making.
We
would
not
be
wrecking
making
a
recommendation
about
what
to
do
if
the
students
don't
use
the
tool
and
we're
just
making
would
be
making
a
recommendation
about
purchasing
another
tool
to
assist
teachers
but
Mr
Akins.
Do
we
have
a
quorum.
E
No
I
was
just
going
to
say
that
I
think
you
know
it
would
be
good
to
they
have
those
purchased
for
the
schools,
like
she
had
mentioned,
Miss
Kirsten,
that
there
are
a
lot
of
teachers
that
currently
have
their
their
own,
that
they
utilize
and
they
give
extra
credits
for
the
students
or
whatnot.
Now
it's
more
of
a
option
for
them,
but
then
like
leaving
it
up
to
kind
of
like
the
school's
leadership
like
the
principals
or
assistant
principals,
to
say
if
they
wanted
to
make
it
a
requirement
in
their
classrooms.
E
I
think
it'll,
be
you
know
up
to
them,
but
having
it
as
an
option,
be
helpful
for
the
teachers
that
don't
already
have
something
in
place,
but
I
think
there
are
some
teachers
that
already
have
something
like
this
in
place.
That
you
know
is
helpful,
so
actually
providing
those
purchasing
them
having
them
there
and
saying
hey,
you
can
use
them.
J
High
yes,
I
started
with
high
school,
but
the
more
people
I
talked
to
and
asked
more
parents
are
getting
phones
for
their
middle
school.
Kids
and
my
my
contacts
are
at
Fort
Clark,
Middle
School,
and
they
said
it's
absolutely
getting
crazy
middle
school.
Kids.
Don't
know
how
to
control
cell
phones
anymore
than
they
know
how
to
control
anything
else
in
their
lives.
So
then,
that's
why
I
thought
maybe
Middle
School
teachers
would
appreciate
that
and
I'd
like
to
respond
to
Mr
Cromwell
I
think
he
made
a
good
point
about
how
do
we?
J
If
I'm,
a
teacher
and
I
say
Susie
you're
on
your
cell
phone
put
it
away,
she
could
immediately
say
no
I'm,
not
or
or
I
did
or
I
will
and
then
maybe
it
just
kind
of
hides
it
behind
the
book.
But
if
I
can
say
Susie,
please
put
your
cell
phone
in
the
pocket.
It
provides
more
structure
for
the
teacher
and
then-
and
it's
more
obvious
obvious
to
everyone
in
the
classroom.
J
Whether
or
not
the
student
has
has
participated
in
Defiance,
so
I
think
it
gives
the
teacher
a
little
bit
of
guardrails
for
the
Defiance
part
of
it
and
remember
these
are
kids.
These
are
not
I.
I
really
appreciate.
I
wanted
her
to
know
Dion
McGrath,
that
she
is
working
hard
for
the
kids
that
are
struggling
our
and
that
are
in
danger
of
the
kids
who
have
huge
Defiance
issues
and
huge
issues
of
survival
in
the
real
world.
These
are
not
those
kids.
J
These
are
just
the
kids
who
want
to
be
invisible
and
be
buried
in
their
cell
phone
there's
a
lot
of
them
that
just
want
to
be
invisible
in
their
little
cell
phone
they're.
Also,
the
kids
that
if
you
make
a
big
deal
of
the
first
kid
who
just
who
defies
the
other
kids,
are
going
to
fall
in
line.
It's
not
like
these
are
the
these
are
not
the
same
kids
that
need
to
go
to
a
special
school.
These
are
the
kids
who
I
really
believe
they'll
fall
in
line
after
the
first
after
the.
J
A
I
think
it
puts
a
lot
of
onus
per.
This
is
my
personal
I
think
it
was
a
lot
of
onus
on
the
teacher,
though,
to
be
very
engaging
in
their
teaching
because
students,
if
they're,
engaged
in
the
phones,
you
know-
and
there
has
been
Lacks
use
of
the
conduct
code
which
we've
already
had
in
place
and
and
as
teachers
haven't
enforced.
A
It
and
they've
just
said
well
that
student's
not
engaged
the
students
engaged
in
what's
on
the
device,
and
so,
if
you
take
the
devices
away
the
student's
going
to
be
bored,
they're
itching
to
be
engaged
in
something
and
teachers,
you
know
have
to
be
engaging
them.
They
have
to
be
engaging
their
attention
or
the
student
is
going
to
be.
A
Their
brain
has
to
be
engaged
in
something
and
if
they're
not
engaged
in
learning,
then
that
brain
that
is
accustomed
to
that
technology
is
going
to
be
looking
for
something
and
there
it's
wired
a
little
differently
now,
and
you
know
where
some
of
us
may
have
been
satisfied
with
a
book.
You
know
a
book
under
the
desk
was
our
piece
of
technology
for
some
of
us
that
we
were
hiding
that
book.
A
A
It's
it's
hard.
It's
it's
a
hard.
It's
a
dilemma!
It's
more
than
a
caddy
on
the
wall.
It's
harder
and
it's
a
it's
a
new
world,
so
we
we're
all
tied
to
our
technology
in
many
ways
same
with
parents
and
kids
same
with
myself
and
my
grandkids,
you
know
so
I
think
there's
there's
a
lot
more
here.
It's
a
more
complex
problem,
but
this
you
know
this
is
a
piece.
There
are
a
lot
of
factors
to
it
and
some
teachers
may
not
take
it
away
and
may
be
fine
with
that.
A
But
those
who
do
will
you
know
have
to
replace
it
with
other
things
or
or
other
discipline.
Problems
will
crop
up.
I
suspect
when
Keith
says
backlash,
that's
part
of
the
backlash
you
know,
there's
an
opposite
reaction.
That
happens
when
you
take
something
away
and
you
don't
replace
it
with
something
else.
A
B
They
don't
do
the
tie-dye
shirts
anymore,
because
they're
not
interested
they're,
just
they
just
want
to
play
on
their
cell
phones
and
and
I've
I've
even
tried
to
explain
to
kids
in
my
classes
at
certain
points,
I'm
like
when
you
sit
here
and
you
whine
and
complain
about
teachers.
Don't
do
anything
interesting!
Well,
you
know
what,
for
the
last
decade,
every
time
we've
tried
you've
looked
at
us
and
said
only
care
about
my
cell
phone.
B
Well,
those
things
are
work
for
teachers
that,
for
some
of
the
teachers,
that's
a
lot
of
work
to
get
those
chemistry,
demos
together
to
do
the
tie-dye
shirts.
Why
am
I
putting
in
all
that
work?
Well,
all
you're
going
to
do
is
just
sit
there
on
your
cell
phone
and
you
know
completely
miss
the
point
of
what
of
what
we're
trying
to
do
and
you're
right.
We
have
to
engage
the
kids,
but
there
is
another
side
of
it
that
we're
not
here
to
entertain
them,
we're
here
to
teach
them
and
sometimes
learning's
boring.
J
I
have
a
procedural
question
and
this
might
be
totally
inappropriate,
but
the
question
is
to
either
Miss
Crosby
or
Mr
Akins
or
Mr
Watts.
Could
we
make
a
proposal
and
say
an
informal
proposal
and
say:
look
school
board
we're
the
DAC.
We
we
have
these
ideas
we'd
like
to
share
with
you:
they're,
not
officially
our
official
recommendations,
because
we
don't
have
a
quorum,
but
here's
here's
the
what
our
discussion
came
up
with
and
we
make
it
up,
make
a
clear
up
front
that
it's
not
an
official
proposal.
A
B
C
I'm
not
sure
of
how
that
would
work.
I've
never
heard
of
that,
because
I'm
thinking
that
you
would
have
to
have
this
membership,
this
Council
vote
as
a
quorum
to
present
things
up.
I
have
to
look
at
your
bylaws,
specifically
in
that
area
and
I'll
send
those
out
again
if
anyone
would
like
I'll
just
do
it
again,
just
to
refresh
all
of
us,
but
I'm,
not
sure
about
that
I'll
have
to
ask
and
find
out
I.
J
D
It
seems
you
guys
all
meet
all
the
time
and
you
spend
a
lot
of
time
and
put
a
lot
of
energy
into
these
things,
and
it
seems
a
shame
that,
because
there's
not
a
quorum,
that
it
can't
go
any
farther
than
this
and
I
think
today,
with
Mr
Delaney
I
think
he
the
fact
that
these
have
to
be
noticed.
Public
meetings,
I,
think
shows
the
importance
of,
and
it
adds
value
to
this
committee
and
and
and
so
number
one
I
think
we
have
to
figure
out.
D
Not
we
because
I'm
just
supposed
to
be
an
observer,
but
we
need
to
figure
out
a
way
to
get
a
quorum
at
these
committees,
because
when
you
have
ideas-
and
you
can't
vote
and
take
them
any
farther
than
this
you're
just
spinning
your
wheels
and
and
some
of
these
things
are
really
good
ideas
that
should
come
before
the
board
and
so
I
don't
know
about
protocol
or
any
of
that.
But
you
know
you
might
ask
Mr
Mr
Akins.
If
you
can
get,
you
know
like
for
a
board
meeting.
D
I
would
also
check
bylaws
too,
because
bylaws
can
be
amended
and
if
you're
only
going
to
have
a
certain
number
of
people
at
a
DAC
meeting,
maybe
you
need
to
change
the
membership
and
what
the
Quorum
is,
because
otherwise
it's
just
you
know
you
guys
are
putting
a
lot
of
time
and
energy
into
this
and
it
needs.
Yes,
we.
B
Which
we
said
we
need
a
quorum
to
do
yeah,
I
I,
because
I
I'd
be
with
it,
and
you
know,
maybe
you
know
and
I'll
say:
I
I
have
such
hope
coming
into
this
role
as
co-chair
and
on
some
level
I've
never
felt
more
defeated
in
my
life.
We
have
so
many
good
ideas
in
this
habit.
You
are
so
right
and
we've
had
great
ideas
and
we
can't
get
anything
out
of
this
committee
and
it
just
it
hurts
my
heart
to
see
these
good
ideas
just
crash
on
the
Rocks.
B
You
know,
and
some
of
them
have
trickled
up
just
from
school
board
members
observing
I've
seen
some
of
these
things
go
to
the
school
board
level,
and
and
it's
not
that
we're
making
the
official
proposal,
but
very
clearly
someone
is
listening
to
what
we're
doing
and
what
we're
saying
you
know.
But
as
an
informal
thing
you
know
we
should
be
able
to
have
this.
B
You
know
to
have
a
quorum,
and
you
know
I've
said
before
that
to
me
when
we
start
back
next
year,
regardless
of
who
the
chair
is
or
anything
else,
we
should
get
every
principle
of
the
schools
that
are
involved
and
say
it
is
your
sack,
chair
or
their
designee.
That
needs
to
attend
these
meetings,
because
I
I
hear
what
people
are
saying,
people
who
are
on
sac
and
become
the
sac
chair
many
times
I
had
no
idea
that,
by
becoming
the
chair
of
my
Sac
committee,
that
I
was
on
deck.
That
was
a
complete
surprise.
B
It
took
me
six
months
to
go
to
the
First
Act
meeting.
I
didn't
even
realize
it.
You
know,
so
there
are
things
that
we
can
certainly
do
and
I
think
we
we
should
do
them
like
last
meeting
I
wasn't
able
to
be
here.
I
was
celebrating
my
30th
Anniversary
yeah,
so
ultimately,
I
sent
Janet
Gill
another
member
of
my
Sac
Committee
in
my
stead,
so
she
could
have
voted
on
things.
She
could
have
helped
us
to
build
a
quorum
which,
from
what
I
read
in
the
minutes
we
still
didn't
have.
B
C
I'm
sorry
I
just
wanted
to
add
to
the
whole.
You
know
about
getting
in
touch
with
principles,
because
you
guys
asked
me
to
do
that.
I
did
that
I
emailed
everyone
that
you
know
wasn't
showing
up
told
them.
What
was
going
on
told
them
when
the
meetings
were
even
there
was
an
issue
of
someone
not
being
on
the
database,
so
that
was
a
quick
fix
I,
even
let
that
individual
know
hey.
We
meet
every
fourth
Wednesday
of
the
month.
C
C
While
he
was
on
here,
if
you
needed
a
quorum
to
vote
to
lower
the
lower
the
core
of
number,
because
I
do
know
how
frustrated
this
has
been
for
you
all,
because
you
do,
you
know
you
guys
work
so
hard
and
you
know-
and
we
have
such
a
great
structure.
And
so
this
is
such
an
awesome
place
for
people
to
come,
and
you
know
provide
their
idea.
C
A
A
A
It
is
a
quite
involved
process
and
it
has
been
quite
some
time
since
that
full
process
was
carried
out
in
our
district.
Where
meaning
not
someone
appointed
as
an
interim
you,
you
know
quite
a
long
time
with
the
community
engagement
that
needs
to
happen
with
the
stakeholders
involved
from
all
over
the
community,
and
so
I
wanted
us
to
discuss
recommending
to
the
board,
which,
of
course
we
don't
have
the
Quorum.
A
We
can't
do
a
formal
recommendation,
but
to
see
what
we
think
about
at
least
getting
a
discussion
about
this,
starting
sooner
rather
than
later,
because
when
you
look
at
a
year
and
also
it
is
not
that
easy
to
get
candidates
from
outside
of
the
state
coming
to
Florida.
If
you
talk
to
any
leaders
anywhere
in
education
right
now
that
are
trying
you
talk
to
people,
you
know
and
ask
them:
what
candidates
are
you
getting?
How
many
applicants
are
you
getting
that
are
coming?
People
are
withdrawing
from
from
candidacy.
A
So
if
you're
looking
at
trying
to
get
someone
hired
by
say
May
of
next
year,
you
have
to
work
backwards
from
that.
There
are
certain
times
of
the
year
that
hardly
anything
happens
in
Gainesville.
The
city
might
as
well
be
shut
down.
When
you
look
at
December,
when
you
look
at
things
like
Gator
homecoming,
we
all
know
certain
times
of
the
year.
You
just
nothing
happens.
A
So
really
it's
not
a
full
year
and
so
I
just
wonder
what
we
think
about
recommending
to
the
board
that
they
do
not
delay
to
something
like
you
know:
November
January,
but
getting
that
process
rolling,
I
I
just
had
Mr
Akins
put
on
there
July
1st,
but
that's
just
a
date.
We
could
say
August
start
of
the
school
year.
Is
there
any
discussion
on
this.
I
I'll
chime
in
I
guess
so
the
school
board
voted
a
few
weeks
ago.
Obviously,
I've
kept
up
with
I,
know:
chair
Crosby,
you
were
I,
think
maybe
you're
owned
by
Zoom.
You
you
participate
in
the
meeting,
I
think
even
too
and
voted
to,
as
you
said,
extend
the
contract
or
to
honor
the
contract
for
the
superintendent
through
next
June
and
to
I
think
start.
The
process
for
the
search
in
January
of
2024
I
think
is
what
they
decided.
So
I
am
here's.
I
I
I
I
think
that
chair,
Crosby
and
sure
Watts
have
an
awesome
job
and
it's
extremely
frustrating
I
share
with
it
regarding
I
have
a
quorum
all
those
issues
but
I
think
it's
very
difficult
position
that
we
all
get
put
in
when
we
all
can
bring
up
whatever
ideas
we
want
to
talk
about
and
anything
issue
we
want
to
bring
up
and
we
think
that's
the
biggest
issue
that
the
school
district
faces
I'd.
Rather
the
school
board
members
who
are
the
elected
representatives
of
our
district,
tell
us
hey
DAC.
You
need
to
do
this.
I
We
want
you
to
look
into
this
and
that's
what
it
used
to
be.
Whenever
Dr
Roberts
was
hired,
the
DAC
actually
had
a
subcommittee
that
did
the
entire
went
through
the
whole
search
process
interviewed
process
for
the
for
the
finalists.
All
those
things
really
really
important
issues
and
that's
not
to
say
that
we're
not
working
on
important
things
and
I
appreciate
the
work
that
Miss
flamon
did
I.
Think
it's
a
very
important
issue.
So
that's
not
to
minimize
anything.
I
We're
doing,
but
I
just
want
to
say
that
I
think
I
think
that
it's
going
to
minimize
our
work,
because
we
all
can
bring
up
so
many
different
issues
versus
being
a
committee
that
the
school
board
elected
officials
that
were
elected
by
people
of
our
County,
say
hey.
These
are
things
we
want
you
all
to
work
on.
These
are
and
it's
their
Direction
and
I.
Think
that
is
a
lot
better.
I
A
I
Right
no
I
agree
with
that
I'm
saying
I
prefer
the
model
that
was
original.
That's
the
way,
I
prefer
because
I
think
it
gives
us
more
Credence
and
it
gives
the
school
board
members
more
confidence
in
the
work
that
we're
doing
that
it
is
at
their
Direction,
not
that
it's
something
that
I
could
come
up
with.
A
I
I
think
that
you're
right,
the
district
advisor
Council
went
through
I
think
a
big
dip
where
things
stopped.
We
stopped
working
on
things
and
it
was
like
we
just
I
mean
we
didn't
leave
for
like
a
year.
I,
don't
know
what
it
was.
So
I
am
100
in
agreement
with
you,
but
I
want
to
be
impactful
and
I
really
feel
like
we're.
We
do
that
and
I
think
you're
I
think
you
might
be
in
the
Border.
Pointy
I
mean
yep.
The
the
board
tells
us
hey
Doc,
you
all
work
on
these
things.
I
I
A
I
think,
since
the
the
new
bylaws
of
this
committee
are
more
geared
towards
representation
of
the
community,
that
I
see
that
we
should
be
more
of
a
voice
for
the
community,
and
this
is
why
you
hear
me
rep,
say,
mentions
so
often
Community
input
into
things
such
as
superintendent
search
and
it's.
Why
I
put
this
on
the
agenda
because
I
see
starting
in
January
for
a
search,
that's
so
important
and
trying
to
have
somebody
hired
by
say
May.
A
It
gives
me
great
concern
that
the
community
could
very
well
be
left
out
to
me.
That's
a
very
and
I
understand
they
have
Consultants
from
the
Florida
School
Board
Association
I've,
attended
workshops
in
the
past,
involving
Florida,
School,
Board
Association,
and
to
do
true,
Community
input.
What
I
see
happens
so
often
is
that's
the
first
thing
to
Get
shrunk,
shrunken,
it's
the
first
thing
that
gets
left
out
or
minimized
and
a
true
Community
input
takes
time.
It
takes
multi-pronged
approaches.
It
takes
not
just
the
evening
meeting.
A
It
takes
not
just
a
meeting
in
a
cafeteria
in
one
area.
These
you
know
like
what
we're
doing
right
now
with
rezoning.
It
should
be
multiple
approaches
and
I
could
see
the
same
thing
happening
with
the
superintendent,
in
fact,
the
strategic
planning,
the
rezoning
and
the
superintendent
search.
If
we
were
doing
all
of
that
correctly
next
year,
Academic
Year.
A
A
A
So
that's
all
I'm
saying
it's
not
because
I
want
to
push
the
our
board
members,
who
are
already
so
strapped
and
attending
more
and
more
meetings
to
do
them
in
a
shorter.
You
know,
in
a
you
know,
more
meetings
over
a
longer
period
of
time.
It's
for
the
community's
sake
that
I'm
saying
it,
but
anyway
anybody
else
have
thoughts
on
this
subject.
B
You
know
back
in
late,
19
early
20s,
that
you
know
that
that
must
have
been
the
school
board's
assignment
that
that
we
were
working
on
and
then
the
pandemic
hit
and
everything
once
I
was
you're
right,
sir,
that
I
swear
there
was
like
a
year
where
there
were
no
stack
meetings
and
then
it
was
that
weird
Zoom
thing
and
you
know,
and
then
it
it
seems
like
we've
gotten
it.
You
know
we
we've
wound
up
in
a
different
place
than
what
we
were
and
I'll
be
honest
with
you
I'm
good
with
either
one.
B
You
know
if,
if
we're
gonna
go
away
from
what
we're
doing
now,
the
one
thing
I
would
request
is
that
we
need
to
have
some
mechanism,
because,
even
though
we
haven't
been
able
to
get
a
quorum
when
I
look
at
the
teachers
at
my
school
and
I
tell
them
about
hey
I'm
on
the
deck.
You
know
we
can
bring
ideas.
B
That
really
brings
a
lot
of
them
out
and
there
needs
to
be
some
way
for
ideas
to
sort
of
trickle
up,
because
the
the
teachers
that
are
the
front
line
they
have
in
a
lot
of
ways
the
best
idea
of
what's
really
going
on,
and
often
you
know
with
that,
we
can
come
up
with
Solutions
where
they
can
help
us
to
come
up
with
Solutions.
But
to
be
perfectly
honest
with
you,
I
I'm,
committed
to
this
process
and
I
I
would
be
glad
to
have
this
process
go
in
either
direction.
B
B
Thank
you
for
all
the
work
that
you've
put
in
all
the
help
that,
because
without
you,
we
wouldn't
have
gotten
anything
done
this
year
and
and
let
me
just
say
for
all
of
us,
you
have
been
amazing,
you
know
what
what
we're
trying
to
accomplish
I
believe
is
so
Noble
I.
Just
you
know,
like
I,
say
it's
hard
at
the
end
of
the
year
to
not
just
feel
frustrated
that
so
much
of
a
good
effort
seems
like
it
has
come
to
not
or
half
a
page.
A
scribbled
line
is
the
song.
They
say.
A
A
I
Know
that
it
sounds
like
Mr,
Akins
is
going
to
do
a
great
job
of
following
up
on
some
of
these
items.
Regarding
our
organizational
structure,
my
recollection
is
we,
of
course,
we
were
formed
by
the
school
board
members
themselves.
They
formed
this.
The
DAC
I
would
believe
and
I
don't
know.
This
is
a
legal
question
that
Mr
Delaney
can
surely
answer
the
the
school
board
could
have
an
item
on
their
agenda
that
would
be
to
amend
their
bylaws
that
could
address
these
issues,
amend
the
bylaws
of
the
DAC
I
I.
I
Don't
think
we
have
to
do
it
I
think?
Yes,
we
can
do
it
by
vote,
but
I
think
the
school
board,
if
there
were
an
item
on
their
agenda,
could
send
the
agenda
whatever
how
you
want
to
do
it.
It
could
amend
our
bylaws
to
address
these
issues
that
we're
discussing
whether
it's?
How
do
we
you
know?
Do
we
do
things
in
the
direction
of
the
board?
How
many
people
should
be
for
how
many
people
make
a
quorum?
A
Yes,
I
I've,
actually
I've
thought
the
same
thing.
You
know
that
it's
the
the
way
it
was
created.
I,
don't
personally
think,
was
a
great
model
to
create
it
on
having
forced
attendance
because
you're
on
Sac
you
here
you
go,
you
get
to
be
on
another
committee
like
here.
We
volunteer
you
for
something
else.
I
I've
never
heard
of
that
before
so.
B
It
was
curious
to
me
when
I
first
heard
it
too
a
question
to
to
just
kind
of
go
back
to
what
we're
talking
about
earlier.
If
we
could
get
on
the
school
board
agenda,
Ms
Vermont,
would
you
be
willing
to
represent
what
you're
talking
about
you
know
with
the
whole
cell
phone
proposal
and
make
that
presentation
to
the
school
board?
Since
you
know
it
probably
better
than
any
of
us.
B
B
Okay,
if
I'm
seeing
no
other
hands,
let
me
say
thank
you
all
for
all
the
time.
The
effort
that
you've
put
in
you
know
this
that
this
has
been
a
challenging
school
year,
to
say
the
least,
and
you
know
we
have
great
challenges
coming
up.
Many
of
us
are
well
aware
of
the
challenges
that
we
are
going
to
face
in
the
next
school
year
and
the
coming
future,
but
ultimately
it.
B
It
really
does
my
heart
good
to
see
so
many
people,
even
if
we
can't
get
a
quorum
to
see
so
many
people
month
in
and
month
out,
who
are
devoted
to
trying
to
make
the
situation
better.
It's
it's
the
only
way
that
we're
that
we're
gonna
help
these
kids,
because
that's
what
we're
here
for
is
to
help
these
kids
more
than
anything
else.
All
the
other
stuff
is
great,
but
the
number
one
thing
that
we're
here
for
is
to
help
these
children
out
from
K
through
12
and
beyond
that.