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Legislative Assembly of Alberta
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To
welcome
the
members
and
the
staff
and
the
guests
to
this
meeting
of
the
standing
committee
on
legislative
offices,
my
name
is
Mark
Smith
MLA
for
Drayton
Valley
Devon
and
the
chair
of
this
committee.
I'd
ask
that
members
and
those
joining
the
committee
at
the
table
introduce
themselves
for
the
record,
and
then
we
will
hear
from
those
joining
us
remotely
to
me
right.
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Ron
Orr
Emily
for
Lacombe
Ponoka.
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Few
housekeeping
items
to
address
before
we
turn
to
the
business
at
hand.
Please
note
that
the
microphones
are
operated
by
Hansard,
so
members
do
not
need
to
turn
them
on
and
off
committee
proceedings
are
being
live
streamed
on
the
internet
and
broadcast
on
Alberta
assembly.
Tv
members
participating
remotely
should
ensure
they
are
prepared
to
speak
or
vote
when
called
upon
and
video
conferencing
participants
are
encouraged
to
have
their
cameras
on
if
possible.
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When
speaking,
please
set
your
cell
phones
and
other
devices
to
silent
for
the
duration
of
this
meeting,
I
would
note
that,
with
the
approval
of
the
committee,
American
Sign,
Language
or
ASL
interpretation
will
be
provided
for
this
meeting
committee.
Members
are
aware
that
we
now
offer
ASL
interpretation
during
the
daily
routine
when
we
are
in
session,
and
a
handful
of
committees
have
also
provided
ASL
interpretation
at
select
meetings
on
a
trial
basis.
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If
we
are
going
to
proceed
with
providing
ASL
interpretation
for
this
meeting,
I
would
look
for
someone
to
move
the
following
motion:
go
ahead:
Ms
lovely,
Ms,
lovely
moved
by
move
that
the
standing
committee
on
legislative
offices
approved
the
provision
of
American
sign
language
interpretation
for
its
February,
9th
2023
meeting,
all
in
favor,
all
in
favor
all
opposed
online.
All
in
favor.
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First
of
all,
I
would
like
to
welcome
Peter,
crowson,
executive
director
and
Diane
Thompson
quality
assurance
manager
from
the
office
of
the
child
and
youth
Advocate
to
our
meeting.
They
have
joined
us
as
requested
to
provide
technical
support
to
the
committee
today,
if
necessary,
they
may
provide
clarification
about.
The
contents
of
the
office's
annual
report
would.
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That's
okay:
before
providing
information
on
our
work
to
address
the
advocate's
recommendations,
I
will
first
offer
a
brief
overview
of
child
intervention
and
our
working
relationship
with
the
advocate
Children's
Services
is
responsible
for
administering
the
child,
use
family
enhancement,
Act
and
the
protection
of
sexually
exploited
children.
Act.
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The
child,
youth,
family
enhancement
act
requires
Children's
Services
to
publish
information
on
our
website,
including
the
number
of
deaths
or
serious
injuries
and
our
response
to
the
advocate's
recommendations,
which
is
regularly
updated
in
September
and
March
of
each
year.
Our
next
response
will
be
in
mid-march
of
this
year:
children,
services
staff,
both
casework
teams
and
policy
and
program
design
teams
work
closely
with
The
Advocates
office,
including
The
Advocates,
and
the
legal
representation
teams
to
ensure
children's
rights
are
protected
and
their
voice
is
heard
and
decisions
that
affect
them.
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K
The
First
Nations
designate
is
a
mechanism
in
the
child,
Youth
and
Family
enhancement
act
whereby
a
band
can
appoint
an
individual
to
represent
them
in
matters
specific
to
Children's,
Services
Alberta,
First
Nations
have
appointed
48
designates
as
well
and
because
of
new
federal
legislation.
There
are
12
indigenous
governing
bodies
created
under
new
federal
law,
who
represent
the
interests
of
those
First
Nations,
who
declared
themselves
to
have
an
indigenous
indigenous
governing
body
for
Nations
outside
of
Alberta.
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In
response
to
the
advocate's
recommendation,
we
released
updates
to
our
policy
to
clarify
caseworks
team
casework
team's
responsibilities,
to
consult
and
to
reflect
to
consult
with
the
designate
and
to
reflect
new
requirements
when
Consulting
with
indigenous
governing
bodies
under
Canada's
law.
These
changes
included
input
from
designates.
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K
K
K
Our
program
includes
a
robust
system
of
quantitative
tools
and
measures,
including
tools
that
help
monitor
caseloads,
proactively,
identifying
files
that
mean
they
need
additional
attention,
providing
reminders
for
staff
or
managers
to
take
action
and
monitoring
compliance
to
policy
and
delivery
standards.
It
also
includes
qualitative
measures,
such
as
practice
file
reviews.
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We
have
mechanisms
that
allow
us
to
use
more
qualitative
measures.
These
include
an
Elders
wisdom,
Circle.
This
circle
has
been
in
place
since
2012
and
is
an
opportunity
to
hear
indigenous
World
Views
benefit
from
the
sharing
of
traditional
wisdom
and
knowledge
and
gather
inputs
into
our
policies
and
programs
as
well.
Programs
and
Regional
Offices
implement
used
advisory
councils
to
hear
from
youth,
and
we
conduct
focus
group
focus
groups
with
caregivers
on
changes
needed
to
support
improvements
to
services.
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H
Sorry
Sean
yes
chair
honorable
members,
members.
Thank
you
for
your
opportunity
to
respond
to
the
recommendations
of
the
office
of
the
child
and
youth
Advocate
2021-22
annual
report.
I
am
Sean
Petty
assistant,
Deputy,
minister
of
strategic
Services
for
Seniors
community
and
social
services
and
I'm
pleased
to
be
here
today
at
this
committee
to
provide
a
brief
update
on
our
ministry's
response
to
the
ocia
recommendations
referenced
in
their
annual
report.
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I
first
want
to
provide
you
with
a
brief
overview
of
the
Mandate
of
the
ministry
and
then
focus
on
some
of
the
programming
that
has
a
particular
impact
on
those
Albert.
Instead
of
the
focus
of
this
community
today,
seniors
community
and
Social
Services
provides
a
range
of
social
supports
for
albertans,
including
services
for
Children
and
Youth
adults
with
disabilities
and
their
families.
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A
seniors
community
and
Social
Services
programs
and
services
cover
all
ages
and,
however,
programs
like
family
support
for
children
with
disabilities
commonly
known
fscd
and
fetal
alcohol
syndrome.
Disorder
program
have
a
strong
focus
on
Children
and
Youth.
Our
ministry
is
also
responsible
for
the
office
of
the
public
guardian
and
trustee,
and
it.
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Can
you
see?
In
addition,
we
administer
a
number
of
important
statutory
programs
which
will
likely
be
well
known
to
this
committee
and
include,
as
I
said,
fscd
persons
with
the
developmental
developmental
disabilities
assured
income
for
severely
handicapped
and
income
support
programs.
In
addition,
we
supplied
a
number
of
programs
and
services
that
support
the
stability
of
albertans
and
their
families
that
promote
their
ability
to
participate
and
be
included
in
their
communities.
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H
Another
program
tailored
for
children
is
in
Alberta
fsed
programs,
fetal
alcohol,
Spectrum,
Disorder
programs
actively
promote
the
drinking.
No
alcohol
during
pregnancy
is
best
Alberta
fscd
programs
focus
on
awareness
and
prevention,
assessment
and
diagnosis
and
supports,
and
services
for
individuals
with
FSC
fasd,
their
families
and
caregivers.
This
programming
is
delivered
through
the
Alberta
fscd
network
service
networks.
There
are
a
holistic
client-focused
approach
to
work
with
your
Community
Partners
to
deliver
culturally
appropriate
services
to
all
albertans.
The
service
networks
are
made
up
of
community
community
agencies
and
organizations
that
deliver
afsad
related
supports
and
services.
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H
Tripping
up
over
for
the
titles
PDD
program
helps
eligible
adults
plan
and
coordinate
and
access
services
to
live
independently,
as
they
can
in
their
community
supports,
can
include
help
with
living
home
living
employment.
Community,
Access
and
short-term
specialized
community
supports
such
as
counseling.
There
are
around
12
700,
albertans
being
supported
by
PDD
and
age.
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Surprise,
financial
assistance
to
adult
albertans
with
a
permanent
disability
that
substantially
limits
their
ability
to
earn
a
living
eligible
albertans
receive
a
monthly
Financial
benefit,
as
well
as
additional
personal
benefits,
depending
on
the
household
circumstances,
and
individuals
such
as
as
if
there
were
children
or
some
types
of
medical
needs.
Age
supports
approximately
72,
000
albertans
right
now
and
was
recently
indexed
to
inflation.
As
of
January
1st
2023.
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another
another
program
for
income
support,
it
provides
Financial
benefits
to
support
basic
living
expenses.
The
sport
of
an
individual
received
depends
on
their
needs,
their
household
composition
and
their
ability
to
work
with
their
and
their
existing
Financial
Resources.
Approximately
forty
six
thousand
albertans
are
currently
receiving
income
support
benefits,
and
this
program
was
also
indexed
in
January
1st
of
this
year.
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We
also
have
a
number
of
career
support
and
career
and
employment
supports
to
help
support
albertans,
to
come
ready
for
the
for
train
to
work,
train
and
improve
their
skills,
find
a
job
and
keep
a
job.
The
mystery
provides
tools
like
ails.ca
and
other
supports
to
help
people
make
informed
career
decisions,
develop
plans
for
training
and
education.
H
A
couple
of
other
programs
that
are
of
important
can
we
provide
convenient
program,
housing
program.
This
is
a
new,
a
new
responsibility,
since
the
report
was
out,
as
as
some
of
you
know
that
Ministry
of
seniors
since
housing
has
now
joined
the
joined
our
ministry.
So
we
have
community
housing,
support
program,
the
surprise,
subsidies,
subsidized
rent
rental
housing
to
families,
and
we
also
have
the
risk
rent
assistance
benefit
program
and
the
temporary
rent
assistance
program
to
provide
long
and
short-term
benefits
to
subsidize
the
rent
developments
for
low
income.
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We
also
have
Works
to
prevent
family
and
domestic
violence,
as
well
as
sexual
assault,
by
linking
albertans
to
resources
in
the
community
are
offered
by
government
by
providing
financial
support
to
community-based
Partners,
delivering
key
Frontline
services
and
by
increasing
education
in
this
field.
And
finally,
the
opgt
or
the
office
of
the
public
guardian
and
trustee
came
to
SS
scss
Ministry
recently
from
his
previous
home
in
the
former
Justice
and
solicitor
general
Ministry.
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H
We
also
have
a
wrap
program:
The
Wellness,
resiliency
and
partnership
program
committed
1
million
per
year
over
five
years
to
support
enhanced
education
and
learning
environments
for
children
with
it
with
fasd
we've
also
have
we
also
responsible
for
prenatal
benefits,
a
benefit
for
pregnant
women
receiving
age
or
Income
Support
benefits
has
been
accessed,
starting
in
starting
at
14
weeks
can
be
accessed
starting
at
14
weeks
of
pregnancy.
This
benefit
provides
106
dollars
per
month
until
their
baby
is
born
for
a
total
of
640.
The
new
pre
and
prenatal
benefit
came
into
effect.
H
also
CSS
provides
approximately
960
000
to
funding
to
support
264
Innovative
Child
Care
spaces
operating
in
shelters
to
provide
daytime
daycare
services
for
children
who
have
been
exposed
to
domestic
violence.
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Also,
we
provide
homeless,
shelters,
homeless
funding
provides
annual
funding
to
homelessness
and
in
October
2022
the
department
announced
a
63
million
dollars
to
support
additional
actions
on
combating
homelessness,
which
which
unfortunately
many
many
may
be
experienced
by
some
Youth
and
further.
H
The
ministry
spends
over
185
million
to
Bright
families
and
people
experiencing
homelessness,
with
housing
and
supports,
and
over
3
million
to
family
shelters,
to
support
families
with
children
experiencing
homelessness
and,
last
but
not
least,
CSS
invests
around
4.8
million
per
year
and
works
with
17
organizations
to
support
youth
in
gaining
employment
with
Children's
Services.
We
have
created
the
Youth
Employment
Program,
using
2
million
of
the
Alberta
work
funding
the
program
targets,
youth
leaving
care
as
they
transition
to
adulthood
and
product
that
providing
them
with
valuable
experience
in
employment
and
jobs.
H
Turning
to
the
next
slide,
just
to
as
context
to
provide
the
background
of
those
programs,
I
want
to
turn
to
scs's
role
with
the
ocia,
a
CSS
values,
The
Advocates,
recommendations
regarding
how
to
better
support,
Children
and
Youth
and
provides
a
stat
a
high
standard
of
public
accountability
through
our
public
responses
and
progress.
Updates
legislation
requires
that
all
identified
Ministries
publicly
respond
to
The
Advocates
recommendations
within
75
days
and
scss
meets
this
timeline,
and
the
ministry's
responses
are
posted
online.
On
Alberta's
open
data
portal.
H
We
also
provide
biannual
progress
updates
to
The
Advocate
on
all
active
recommendations
which
are
posted
online
as
well,
while
not
legislated
to
do
so.
Css
provides
these
formal
updates
in
May
and
November
of
each
year,
where
CSS
is
identified
along
with
other
Ministries.
We
work
collaborating
with
our
cross
Ministry
Partners
to
address
the
issues
identified.
As
you
will
see
today,
a
CSS
is
currently
reporting
on
four
recommendations
identified
in
The
Advocates
2021-22
annual
report,
as
well
as
two
other
active
recommendations
and
the
next
progress
update
to
The
Advocate.
H
Turning
to
the
recommendations,
I'm,
sorry
that
the
font's
a
little
bit
small
there
but
I
will
turn
him
to
each
intern.
The
recommendations
focus
on
largely
coordination
of
services
across
programs
and
Ministries
training,
ensuring
that
those
who
work
with
vulnerable,
Children
and
Youth
have
information
and
training
to
support
a
child
who
interacts
with
our
systems
and
finally,
improving
quality
assurance
as
a
trend,
as
well
as
transparency
and
accountability
in
reporting
on
actions
on
The
Advocates
recommendations.
H
Okay,
well,
maybe
I
will
flip
ahead.
Then,
to
the
response
to
our
recommendations
in
November
2021,
the
former
community
and
Social
Services
Ministry
publicly
responded
to
and
accepted
the
intent
of
this
recommendation
and
committed
to
reviewing
and
updating,
fscd
and
PDD
processes
is
required
to
include
a
greater
focus
on
outcomes
rather
than
targets
and
completion
of
tasks.
H
H
How
am
I
doing
for
timing
and
as
of
January
2023
63
have
completed
the
information
sharing
and
we've
monitored
this
on
a
monthly
basis
and
I
guess
almost
under
the
wire
I,
don't
know
if
I
will
maybe
ask
the
committee
for
a
bit
more
time
in
the
last
response.
So
thank
you.
Turning
to
the
last
slide,
our
formal
public
response
on
the
collaboration,
the
FSC
program
that
I
mentioned
previously
continues
to
work
across
Ministries
with
eligible
families
to
provide
support
and
services
based
on
each
child's
unique
needs.
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Early
planning
with
youth
and
their
families
helps
ensure
that
services
with
youth
needs
and
is
eligible
for
it
as
an
adult,
are
in
place.
This
proactive
approach
also
helps
mitigate
me.
Unmet
needs
in
adulthood,
fscd
supports
Youth
and
their
families
to
plan
free
adulthood
and
connecting
with
a
variety
of
adult
programs,
as
they
may
need
to
access
pddrh.
For
example,
there
is
a
youth
transition
team
in
Edmonton
that
is
specialized
team
for
13
to
17
year
olds
to
help
them
move
from
adulthood
and
find
the
right
supports.
H
Also
caseworkers
meet
regularly
with
youth
and
families
to
identify
the
use
plan
for
the
transition
to
adulthood.
These
meetings
include
local
representatives
from
Education,
Health
children,
services
and
other
relevant
Partners
as
needed.
We're
working
together
collaboratively
to
support
youth
transitions
as
part
of
the
Children's
Services
transition
to
adulthood
program
that
my
colleague
of
children
services
mentioned
earlier,
and
thank
you
for
the
opportunity
to
speak
to
the
work
that
CSS
has
been
doing
on
the
ocya's
recommendation
and
I
believe
you're
taking
questions
after
the
presentations.
Thank
you
thank.
B
You
Mr
Petty
I'm,
going
to
with
the
permission
of
the
committee,
introduce
Mr
deck
and
let
him
introduce
himself.
B
B
M
So
good
afternoon,
chair
honorable
Kim,
my
members
and
committee
members,
I
am
Korean
everington
I'm,
an
acting
assistant,
Deputy
minister,
with
the
ministry
of
mental
health
and
addiction.
So
today,
I'd
like
to
provide
a
brief
overview
of
our
Ministries
mandate.
Before
discussing
in
more
detail
the
work
we
are
doing
to
address
the
child
and
youth
Advocates
recommendations
outlined
in
the
ocya's
2021-2022
annual
report,
foreign.
M
I'm
technically
challenged
the
ministry
was
newly
established
in
October
2022
to
address
system
pressures,
steer,
addiction
and
mental
health
related
policy,
including
legislation,
and
provide
system
oversight.
Our
mandate
to
lead
and
establish
cross
Ministry
and
cross-sector
Recovery
oriented
systems
of
care
has
been
consistent
throughout
this
government's
term
and
was
reinforced
in
the
Premier
mandate.
Letters
provided
in
November
2022.
M
Also
in
November,
22
November
2022
were
mandate,
items
specific
to
Children
and
Youth,
for
example,
as
the
lead
expand
access
for
young
people
struggling
with
severe
mental
illness
and
as
the
lead
in
collaboration
with
with
the
Ministers
of
children's
services.
Implement
recovery
community
centers
for
youth
in
major
centers
throughout
the
province.
M
M
The
vision
is
for
all
albertans
with
mental
health
and
addiction
concerns
and
issues
to
be
effectively
supported
in
their
personal
pursuit
of
recovery
through
integrated
whole
of
Community
recovery-oriented
Systems
of
care
that
are
easily
accessible
when
needed.
This
includes
providing
and
supporting
a
full
Continuum
of
Care,
including
prevention,
early
intervention,
treatment
and
Recovery
supports.
This
is
known
as
the
Alberta
model.
M
The
Alberta
model
focuses
on
the
needs
of
individuals,
families
and
communities
and
Creeds
environments
to
help
all
people
with
or
at
risk
of
substance
use
or
mental
health
issues
in
achieving
improved
Health,
wellness
and
quality
of
life.
This
includes
supporting
families
and
communities
in
their
work
to
prevent
addiction
and
mental
ill
health
building
recovery.
Oriented
systems
of
care
enables
children,
youth
and
families
to
flourish.
Reducing
the
number
of
children,
youth
impacted
by
substance,
use
or
mental
health
issues
and
potentially
reducing
the
number
of
children
in
Youth
and
care.
M
We've
taken
important
steps
to
advance
recovery,
oriented
systems
of
Care
by
building
capacity
in
the
system
and
enabling
easier
access
to
programs
and
services.
Some
examples
include
working
with
community
and
Social
Services,
now
seniors
community
and
Social
Services
to
remove
the
Forty
dollar
per
day
user
fee
for
all
publicly
funded
residential
addiction
treatment
and
subsequently
increasing
the
number
of
publicly
funded
treatment
spaces
to
treat
over
9
000
more
people
per
year.
M
We've
also
doubled
Alberta
211's
funding
from
7.5
million
to
15
million
over
three
years
to
enable
the
call
center
to
significantly
increase
its
capacity
to
help
more
albertans
improve
the
way
they
connect.
People,
including
through
other
service
providers,
to
services
and
enhance
the
crisis,
supports
it,
offers
2-1-1's
increased
capacity
is
allowing
the
service
to
meet
the
increased
call
volumes
which
have
remained
High
since
2020
connect
callers
from
rural
and
Indigenous
communities,
with
increased,
culturally
and
locally
relevant
supports
by
working
with
communities
to
identify
safe
and
accessible
local
services.
M
During
the
first
nine
months
of
2022
so
January
to
September,
there
were
a
total
of
62
635
contacts
to
Alberta
211,
including
calls
texts
and
chats
we've
also
established
Alberta
counseling
by
providing
6.75
million
to
expand
virtual
counseling
services,
which
started
in
June
2022
throughout
Alberta,
including
in
rural
areas,
from
June
to
December.
So
the
first
few
months
of
this
work,
the
virtual
program
received
381
referrals
and
provided
1212
counseling
sessions.
M
The
government
of
Alberta's
plan
to
implement
a
recovery-oriented
system
of
addiction
and
mental
health
care
in
Alberta
aligns
with
the
goals
of
this
advocate's
recommendation.
Collaboration
and
coordination
between
community
service
providers
and
in-person
centered
care
and
person-centered
Care
pardon
me
are
both
foundational
elements
of
the
Alberta
model.
M
One
way
we're
doing
this
is
through
the
Alberta
Recovery
Council,
as
recommended
in
the
report
toward
an
Alberta
model
of
Wellness.
The
Alberta
Recovery
Council
is
a
cross
Ministry
body
directed
to
implement
the
actions
identified
in
the
report,
including
actions
to
support
young
people.
An
example
of
this
collaboration
is
the
newly
established
dedicated
youth
team
within
the
virtual
opioid
dependency
program,
in
addition
to
the
6.1
million
dollars
that
is
provided
annually
to
Alberta
Health
Services,
to
deliver
the
virtual
opioid
dependency
program,
which
virtually
connects
individuals
to
opioid
Agonist
therapy
and
related
opioid
treatment.
M
Now,
through
a
partnership
between
mental
health
and
addiction
and
Children's
Services,
we
are
providing
an
additional
4.5
million
dollars
over
three
years
to
establish
this
dedicated
youth
team.
The
team
will
treat
up
to
100
more
Youth
and
Young
adults
each
year,
especially
those
living
in
group
CARE
settings.
M
Our
Ministries
plan
to
implement
a
recovery,
oriented
system
of
addiction
and
Mental
Health
Care
also
aligns
with
the
goals
of
this
recommendation.
The
Alberta
model
focuses
on
improving
systems
of
Care
by
monitoring
and
Reporting
on
system
utilization
and,
in
addition,
also
measuring
outcomes
for
individuals
accessing
services.
M
Recovery
capital
is
the
combination
of
personal
interpersonal
and
Community
Resources
that
a
person
has
to
draw
upon
to
find
and
sustain
recovery.
Recovery
capital
is
similar
to
social,
determined
determinants
of
Health,
in
that
it
includes
basic
needs,
be
met
like
safe
and
stable
housing
that
people
have
enough
food
to
eat,
having
good
physical
health.
M
One
Avenue
to
support
this
transition
is
through
the
Alberta
Recovery
Council,
which
I
spoke
about
earlier.
Through
this
collaboration,
we
have
established
the
child
and
youth
Health
Services
initiative.
It
is
through
this
initiative.
Mental
health
and
addiction
is
investing
87
million
dollars
over
three
years
to
expand
and
improve
the
accessibility
of
child
and
youth,
mental
health
and
Addiction
Services
and
pediatric
Rehabilitation
supports
thank
you.
M
B
J
Alberta
indigenous
relations
acts
as
a
central
point
for
government
to
build
and
maintain
relationships
with
indigenous
governments,
communities,
groups,
Industries
and
organizations
in
the
province.
Our
ministry
staff
worked
to
Advocate
and
create
pathfinding
opportunities
for
indigenous
communities
to
access
programs
and
services
across
the
government.
J
In
November
2022,
our
Minister
received
a
mandate
letter
from
Premier
Smith
that
outlined
the
following
commitments.
Indigenous
relations
is
responsible
for
foreign,
as
you
see
on
on
the
slide.
Building
and
strengthening
relationships
between
Alberta's
government
and
First,
Nations,
metis
and
Inuit.
People
is
a
priority
for
the
premier
and
the
government,
so
is
respecting
the
traditional
territories
and
treaties
of
indigenous
peoples.
J
There's
a
focus
for
this
government
on
proactively
partnering
with
communities
on
economic
corridors,
major
development
projects
and
creating
safe,
healthy
and
prosperous
communities.
Although
indigenous
relations
is
the
lead
on
much
of
this
work,
many
of
these
commitments
are
important
and
we
work
all
across
the
government
in
achieving
them.
J
J
In
December
2021,
the
Alberta
joint
working
group
on
MMI
wgs
submitted
its
report.
113
Pathways
to
Justice
to
the
government
of
Alberta
in
June,
2022
Alberta
announced
its
response
to
the
National
inquiry
into
MMI.
Wg,
which
included
the
establishment
of
a
premier's
council
on
mmiwg
and
a
strategic
mmiwg
roadmap,
which
will
guide
government
actions
to
prevent
violence
and
increase
safety
in
Economic
Security.
J
These
are
goals
we've
heard
touted
by
indigenous
leaders
across
the
province,
indigenous
relations
Works,
to
build
Partnerships
that
enhance
indigenous
participation
in
the
economy.
These
Partnerships
include
indigenous
communities
and
organizations,
industry,
other
levels
of
government
and
non-indigenous
organizations.
J
J
J
J
J
These
are
industries
that
many
indigenous
communities
have
a
vested
interest
in
expanding.
Adding
these
sectors
will
help
boost
Alberta's
rural
economy,
creating
jobs
and
revenue
streams
for
remote
indigenous
communities.
Indigenous
groups
May
gain
access
to
potential
projects
on
or
near
their
lands
that
will
help
to
increase
employment,
food
security
and
infrastructure
development
similar
to
Abiff.
The
project
supported
by
aioc,
will
help
increase
Economic
Security,
create
vibrant
communities
and
reduce
leakage.
J
J
J
Our
employment
Partnerships
program
we're
committed
to
getting
funding
from
programs
like
the
Epp
into
the
hands
of
the
outstanding
proponents
and
projects
taking
place
in
indigenous
communities
across
the
province.
These
funds
are
intended
to
help
indigenous
organizations
address
systemic
barriers
to
indigenous
employment.
J
We
work
with
these
organizations
to
fund
training
and
employment
initiatives
and
make
connections
with
industry
stakeholders
who
can
help
to
create
meaningful
opportunities
for
employment.
One
and
a
half
minutes
left.
Thank
you.
Epp
projects
are
assessed
on
how
they
contribute
to
one
or
more
of
the
following
priorities:
they
promote
employment
opportunities
to
indigenous
people.
J
J
We
do
recognize,
however,
that
a
high
proportion
of
indigenous
Children
and
Youth
are
in
care,
and
many
indigenous
people
across
Alberta
continue
to
earn
a
lower
income
in
comparison
to
the
general
population,
as
the
indigenous
population
in
Alberta
continues
to
grow
and
is
generally
younger
than
the
non-indigenous
population.
Providing
services
for
children
will
be
a
priority.
As
a
result,
indigenous
relations
strives
to
build
better
Partnerships
with
indigenous
peoples,
but
also
also
with
our
colleagues
across
government.
In
an
effort
to
improve
service
to
indigenous
communities.
J
Although
indigenous
relations
oversees
the
agreement,
it's
the
responsibility
of
our
lead
Ministries
to
address
matters
that
are
brought
forth
at
the
tables.
The
following
are
examples
of
tables
that
have
been
established
to
address
the
needs
of
community
and
Children
and
Family
Services
in
community.
We
have
protocol
agreements
with
the
Stony
nakota
sutina
Tribal
Council,
also
known
as
the
G4
that
was
signed
in
2020..
J
The
work
planned
there
on
children's
services
addresses
early
intervention
and
prevention,
as
well
as
information
sharing.
We
also
have
a
protocol
agreement
with
the
Blackfoot
Confederacy
that
was
signed
in
2019.
the
work
plan
there
on
children's
services,
addresses
Bill,
c92,
Early,
Intervention
and
kinship
care
and
statistics
and
child
intervention.
J
With
the
metis
nation
of
Alberta.
We
have
a
government
of
Alberta
metis
Nation
framework
agreement
in
2021-22,
the
m.
A
and
Children's
Services
subtable
approved
the
broad
approach
to
Child
and
Family
Services.
This
three-year
work
plan
identified
metis
children
in
care
are
connected
with
Community
culture
and
traditions
as
one
of
their
key
priorities.
J
B
Thank
you
very
much
to
all
four
of
you
for
your
presentations.
They've
been
both
interesting
and
educational
I
believe
and
before
we
move
on
to
the
questions
from
the
committee
members,
I
would
like
to
suggest
that
we
take
a
brief,
Health
break
so
that
everyone
can
refill
their
coffee
Etc
and
be
prepared
for
what
I
hope
will
be
an
equally
interesting
and
educational
question
and
answer
session.
Does
anyone
object
to
a
10-minute
bio
break
for
everybody
here?
A
A
A
A
A
A
A
A
B
B
B
B
B
Welcome
back
everyone.
I
have
no
doubt
that
the
committee
members
have
a
lot
of
questions
for
our
guests
and
I
will
ask
everyone
to.
Please
keep
your
questions,
brief
limit
them
to
the
report
and
its
recommendations
and
plan
for
one
main
question
and
one
follow-up
for
members
in
the
room.
I'd
ask
that
you
raise
your
hand
or
otherwise
catch
my
attention.
If
you'd
like
to
be
added
to
the
speaking
list
for
those
of
you
participating
remotely
a
quick
note
in
the
team's
chat,
will
let
us
know
that
you
have
questions
for
our
presenters.
B
G
Thank
you
Mr
chair,
and
thank
you
to
all
of
you
for
coming
today
to
to
present
on
the
recommendations
that
have
been
made
to
your
Ministries
from
the
ocya.
So
I'd
like
to
begin
some
questions
for
Ms
Wagner
with
Children's,
Services
I,
think
she's
smiling.
She
was
expecting
that
probably
so
I
want
to
address
three
recommendations
that
were
included
in
The
Advocates
2021-22
annual
report.
G
In
fact,
22
young
people
over
the
age
of
18
on
the
supports
and
financial
assistance
agreement
program
died
in
the
2021
fiscal
year,
the
highest
number
on
record
and
the
three
recommendations
that
were
in
this
report,
which
were
made
before
in
2019,
but
were
reviewed
in
this
period
related
to
supports
for
these
young
people
they
related
to
just
for
an
overview
for
the
committee
members.
G
One
of
the
recommendations
was
that
the
Children's
Services
should
improve
policy
and
practice
guidelines
and
provide
training
and
time
for
staff
to
support
young
people
18
to
24
years
old
as
they
move
through
emerging
adulthood.
The
next
recommendation
was
that
Children's
Services
should
clearly
outline
the
supports
and
services
young
adults
are
entitled
to
receive
under
asafa
and
young
people
should
be
connected
to
Adult
Services,
as
required
before
they're
at
safas
terminate,
and
the
third
recommendation
was
Children's.
Services
should
provide
emerging
adults
with
access
to
adequate
and
safe
housing
options.
G
After
the
response
was
given
by
the
ministry
to
the
advocate's
office,
the
actual
program
came
into
effect
in
in
April
of
2022,
but
in
before
the
end
of
March
of
2022.
The
administrator
already
said:
look
we've
got
this
new
program
and
it's
the
answer
to
all
the
concerns
around
young
people
transitioning
out
of
Care.
At
a
time
when
again
record
numbers
of
young
people
have
died,
and
we've
heard
from
the
advocate's
office
that
that
number
is
going
to
be
even
worse
for
this
year,
we're
already
at
I
believe
it's
15
for
this
year.
G
K
Thank
you
for
the
question
we.
We
have
not
said
that
top
response
to
those
recommendations.
What
we
reported
to
The
Advocate
was
that
we
have
made
significant.
We
made
significant
progress
on
her
recommendations.
K
Prior
to
the
introduction
of
tap,
we
provided
a
report
which
has
been
made
public,
which
indicates
that
we
made
changes
to
policy
in
response
to
her
recommendations
or
The
Advocates
recommendations,
and
that
we
had
initiated
work
on
redesigning
our
youth
supports
at
that
time
and
that
we
had
also
initiated
work
with
our
colleagues
and
seniors
and
Community
Support
Services
to
improve
the
transitions
between
our
ministry
and
theirs.
K
G
So
as
a
follow-up
in
response
to
that
Ms,
Wagner
The
Advocate
has
actually
said
that
the
advocate
has
not
been
provided
access
to
policy
specific
information
about
this
program
and
is
unable
to
make
a
determination
about
whether
tap
meets
this
recommendation.
The
Advocate
is
very
concerned
about
young
people
transitioning
out
of
children's
services
and
will
continue
to
monitor
this
recommendation
and
the
implementation
of
tap
based
on
publicly
available
information
and
advocacy
involvement.
I
guess
my
question
is,
then:
why?
G
G
How
can
you
say
that
it
had
met
the
recommendations
and
why
wouldn't
you
just
keep
it
open
and
allow
for
the
transparency
and
the
ongoing
work
with
the
advocate's
office
to
rubberly
report?
Why
would
you
do
that
before
the
you
had
any
results
from
the
new
program,
because.
K
C
Thank
you
chair
and
thank
you
to
each
one
of
you
for
coming
today
to
present
to
to
the
committee
important
information
for
us
to
help
us
understand
the
processes
and
and
how
the
Ministries
interact
in
in
addressing
concerns
from
The
Advocates
report.
C
My
my
question
is
essentially
in
children's
services
to
to
around
process.
Children's
Services
determines
how
to
respond
to
the
recommendations
outlined
in
the
office
of
the
child
and
youth
Advocate
report
and
as
well.
Children's
Services
determines
what
actions
are
to
be
taken
and
I
guess.
Can
you
just
walk
us
through
the
process
for
deciding
whether
to
accept
accept
with
intent
or
not
to
accept
the
advocate's
recommendation,
as
well
as
determining
that
a
recommendation
has
either
been
met
or
not
met?
What
process
does
the
department
go
through
there
and
then?
K
Thank
you
for
the
question,
as
you
noted
that
each
Ministry
regard
whether
it's
not
children,
services
or
someone
else
is
responsible,
as
per
the
legislation
for
determining.
If
we
believe
that
we've
met
the
recommendations
or
not
of
The
Advocate,
once
we
receive
our
recommendation
from
The
Advocate
in
terms
of
preparing
our
response,
that
is
a
collaborative
process
between
our
ministry
partners
and
the
advocate's
office.
K
We
conduct
a
thorough
review
of
the
recommendation,
which
includes
assessing
the
recommendation
against
current
policy,
determining
if
the
recommendation
Falls
within
our
current
legal
mandate
and
if
legislative
requirements
may
be
changed
require
may
be
required
to
achieve
the
recommendation.
K
Are
we
to
look
at
whether
previous
work
addresses
the
recommendation
or
work
underway
addresses
the
recommendation,
and
we
also
look
at
other
pieces
of
work,
particularly
when
the
recommendation
many
of
the
recommendations
because
of
the
client
profile
within
child
intervention?
We
look
at
its
connection
to
other
government
priorities
such
as
the
Truth
and
Reconciliation
Commission
other
recommendations,
such
as
those
coming
from
the
murdered
and
missing
women
and
girls
working
group.
K
K
We
sometimes-
and
you
may
see
this-
we
accept
the
intent
of
the
recommendation,
meaning
that
we
agreed
with
the
concerns
that
The
Advocate
has
raised
in
the
recommendation,
but
we
believe
that
we've
already
actioned
an
alternative
way
that
we
deliver
on
the
recommendation,
as
outlined
by
The
Advocate
and
in
very
few
instances
we
have
indicated.
We
don't
accept
the
recommendation,
and
that
is
because
we
believe
that
the
recommendation
is
inactionable,
that
we
cannot
achieve
it
and
we
will
not
meet
the
intended
outcome
of
the
advocates.
K
C
Yeah
good
question,
more
so
towards
The
Advocates
report
on
on
page
25
and
there's
information
regarding
mandatory
reviews
when
a
child
or
youth
receiving
Services
is
seriously
injured
or
dies,
and
so
I
I'm
interested
in.
If
you
could
describe
that
review
process,
including
whether
steps
are
taken
by
children
services
as
a
result
of
the
findings
from
those
reviews.
Yes,.
K
Thank
you.
So
when
a
child,
a
serious
land
shooter
died,
The
Advocate
must
undertake
a
review
that
is
in
addition
to
our
reviews,
any
reviews
done
by
the
office
of
the
statutory
director
when
those
reviews
are
conducted.
We
review
when,
when
those
reviews
are
conducted,
we
tend
to
focus
on
the
actual
event
and
the
to
ensure
that
our
system
is
able
to
respond.
K
If
there
are
any
concerns
to
policy
practice
and
program
areas,
we
tend
to
complete
our
review
sometimes
earlier
than
the
advocate
is
able
to
just
because
of
our
resources
and
timeliness
access
to
information,
and
when
we
do
our
own
review,
we
try
to
determine.
If
there
is
anything
we
could
have
done,
whether
it's
in
policy
practice
or
in
legislation
that
would
prevent
that
incident
from
occurring
again
or
from
that
death
occurring
again
and
if
so,
changes
are
made
to
follow
on
to
that
report.
B
Okay,
Miss
benjamini.
G
Thank
you,
Mr,
chair,
I
want
to
go
back
to
those
three
recommendations
related
to
the
critical
time
report
from
the
child
youth
advocate.
So
the
ministry's
position
is.
It
sounds
like
Ms
Wagner
that
the
Ministry
believed
that
the
recommendation
had
been
met
by
the
Implement
by
a
program
that
had
not
yet
been
implemented
and
is
not
interested
in
updating
the
advocate's
office
anymore.
G
Unless
the
advocate
issues,
another
reviewer
recommendation,
simply
to
which
could
be
I,
guess
addressed
by
just
providing
updates,
but
you'd
rather
have
the
advocate's
office,
I,
guess
issue
a
new
recommendation
conduct
a
new
review
and
use
the
resources
that
way
so
I
guess
I'll.
Ask
you
if
you're
very
confident,
then
the
ministry
was
quite
confident
that
the
new
transition
adulthood
program
was
going
to
be
responsive
to
those
recommendations.
G
K
So
I
would
I
would
welcome
that
conversation,
but
I
believe
that
is
outside
the
scope
of
the
invitation
made
by
this
committee
and
so
I'm
unable
to
answer
the
question.
It's.
K
So
I
believe
that
is
outside
the
scope
of
the
invitation
extended
to
the
ministry
for
a
representation
to
this
committee
and
so
I'm.
Unfortunately
unable
to
answer
that
question.
G
Mr
chair
may
I
ask
you
to
direct
the
be
Ms
Wagner
to
answer
the
question.
B
Addressed
in
the
annual
report
in
the
annual
part,
but
I'm
not
aware
of
the
annual
report
having
any
of
that
information
in
it.
G
Can
you
please
on
advise
this
committee,
how
you
are
tracking
and
evaluating
the
outcomes
of
the
transition
to
adulthood
program
which
again
was
the
subject
of
three
recommendations
that
were
reviewed,
that
the
ministry
advised
the
child
and
youth
Advocate
had
been
met
by
this
program?
The
transition
adulthood
program
to
meet
the
recommendations
around
supporting
young
people
transitioning
out
of
care
so
going
forward.
Then
how?
How
is
the
ministry
determining
and
tracking
the
outcomes
of
those
young
people
in
the
transition
to
adulthood
program
to
to
meet
those
recommendations?.
K
Thank
you
for
the
question.
The
introduction
is
a
transition
to
adultery
program
was
outside
the
scope
of
The
Advocates
annual
report
to
the
ministry
and
therefore
it's
outside
the
scope
of
the
invitation
extended
to
the
ministry
of
children's
services.
Therefore,
I
am
unfortunately
unable
to
answer
those
questions.
G
Mr,
chair
I'd
remind
Miss
Wagner
through
you
that
this
was
specifically
provided
by
the
advocate's
office
as
a
response.
This
was
the
ministry's
response
to
their
to
the
recommendation
that
was
reviewed
in
the
year
under
review.
All
of
the
committee
members
would
have
before
them
documents
that
was
provided
by
the
child
youth
Advocate,
where
it
specifically
outlined
in
those
recommendations
that
that
the
ministry's
response
was
that
the
transition
to
adulthood
program
was
the
response
to
the
recommendation.
It
is
well
within
the
scope,
it
is
a
recommendation
that
was
reviewed
in
the
annual
report.
G
G
How
is
the
Ministry
tracking
the
outcomes
and
evaluating
the
outcomes
of
young
people
through
that
program,
as
outlined
in
the
transition
to
animal
program
and
the
response
by
the
ministry
to
The
Advocates
recommendation.
K
So
the
transition
to
adulthood
program
has
a
Folsom
evaluation
framework
and
outcomes
that
are
part
of
the
program
that
evaluate
particular
outcomes
for
a
use
participating
in
the
program.
Whether
that
outcome
is
stability,
employment,
education
or
whatever
outcome
that
youth
chooses.
But
given
the
various
Pathways
in
the
program
we
are
assessing.
Oh
comes
related
to
stability,
to
employment
outcomes
and
to
education
outcomes.
D
Thank
you
for
children's
services,
primarily
I,
guess
what
I'm
interested
in
what?
What
administrative
or
just
plain,
pure
practical
steps
would
actually
be
required
for
children's
services
and
Justice
working
together
to
fully
implement
the
recommendation
that
that
you'll
be
notified.
If
any
Family
Violence
offender
is
going
to
be
released
and
could
present
a
risk
to
the
family,
and
while
you
address
that,
maybe
also
think
a
little
bit
about
I'm
interested
in
what
obstacles
would
you
have
to
overcome
in
order
to
achieve
those
specific
steps
to
implement
that
recommendation?.
K
Thank
you
for
the
question,
so
one
of
the,
if
you
want
to
focus
on
the
Practical
steps,
there
are
a
few
practical
things
that
we
need
to
work
through.
So,
for
example,
one
of
them
is
who
would
provide
us
with
the
notification,
because
offenders
are
not
released
in
a
regular
pattern,
often
as
I
understand
it.
It's
not.
You
know
Friday
at
four,
everyone
gets
released,
it
can
happen
at
midnight,
it
can
happen
early
in
the
morning
and
then
who
would
they
call
for
us?
K
So
many
so
because
it's
unreasonable
to
ask
a
correctional
officer
to
know
the
2300
names
of
our
caseworkers
and
know
they're
attached
to
this
particular
to
this
particular
individual.
So
one
we've
had
that's
one
thing
we
have
to
overcome:
we'd
have
to
overcome
the
form
of
that
notification.
Is
that
them
calling
us
or
is
that
some
other
form
of
notification
and
we'd
also
have
to
overcome
some
practical
pieces
around
information
sharing
and
privacy
I.
K
Think
Bose
Ministries
agree
that
there's
some
value
in
the
that
there
is
value
in
this
recommendation,
but
that
we
have
to
have
a
full
legal
analysis
of
what
what
privacy
rights
are
attached
to
both
the
offender
and
to
the
family.
In
terms
of
sharing
information.
D
Yeah
so
I'm
also
interested
in
the
same
regard
with
regards
to
the
fact
that
that
criminal
law
changes
to
bail
law,
which
all
the
premiers
have
asked
to
be
have
changed,
are
federal
jurisdiction.
What
what
Authority
do
you
actually
have
to
achieve
this,
and,
and
is
there
anything
you
can
do
to
move
that
whole
needle
a.
K
Little
bit
absolutely
yeah
I
mean
that's
an
excellent
point,
and
that
would
be
part
of
our
overall
legal
analysis
in
terms
of
the
intersection
with
federal
law
and
bail
law,
which
you
know
we
have
just
are
working
our
way
through.
So
of
course,
we
recognize
that
this
would
be
helpful
to
the
families
we
serve
and
to
the
women
we
serve
to
know
in
advance,
but
I
think
there's
just
some
practical
things
we
have
to
overcome.
First
before
we
can
fully
Implement
what
The
Advocates
suggested
that
we
implement.
I
The
floor
is
your
thank
you.
Mr
chair
I'd,
like
to
direct
some
questions
to
Ms
everington.
If
I
could
please
regarding
the
presentation
for
mental
health
and
addictions
now
in
regards
to
the
first
recommendation
regarding
the
implementation
of
a
youth,
opioid
and
substance
use
strategy,
I
think
we
all
agree
that
the
first
step
in
implementing
a
strategy
is
the
creation
of
such
a
strategy.
I
But
I
note
that
you
have
noted
that
the
ministry
claims
that
this
has
been
met
and
in
referencing
to
how
it
was
meant,
makes
reference
to
the
operator
recovery
councils
across
Ministry
body,
implementing
recommendations
for
the
cabinet,
approved
mental
health
and
addictions
advisory
Council,
including
for
young
people.
So
there
are
some
portions
of
that
that
refer
to
young
people.
I
Now,
at
our
last
meeting
of
this
committee,
I
had
the
chance
to
ask
the
chief,
the
child
youth
Advocate
about
her
thoughts
on
who
should
be
at
the
table
to
be
part
of
creating
that
strategy.
She
mentioned
ministries
of
Health
mental
health
and
addictions,
Justice
education,
Children's,
Services,
Community
social
services
and
that
she
herself
would
like
to
be
at
the
table
for
those
discussions
around
the
creation
of
that
strategy.
I
Now,
in
response
to
some
further
questioning
from
my
colleague,
Miss
pancholi,
she
stated
that
she
did
not
have
the
sense
at
that
time
a
few
weeks
ago
that
there
was
in
fact
work
being
done
on
a
youth,
specific
opioid
strategy
to
be
adopted.
So
I
was
wondering
if
you
could
just
clarify,
is
The
Arc
in
fact
working
on
a
specific
youth,
opioid
substance
use
strategy,
so
the
strategy
and
then
moving
to
implementation,
something
separate
from
its
work
on
a
broader
recovery
oriented
system
for
adults
and,
if
so,
or
even,
if
one
not
well.
M
I'll
just
start
by
clarifying
that,
at
the
time,
health,
so
Alberta
Health
and
our
our
area,
we
never
deemed
the
recommendation
as
met.
That
was
not
our
our
decision.
We
were
continuing
to
report
on
it
until
the
advocate's
office
deemed
it
as
met.
So
I
just
want
to
clarify
that
that
was
not
our
decision
to
do
that
and
the
in
our
response.
It
was
we
weren't
indicating
that
the
Alberta
Recovery
Council
would
be
developing
a
youth
strategy.
So
I
just
want
to
be
clear
about
that
as
well.
M
What
we
did
indicate
is
that
our
work
to
develop
this
more
robust
recovery,
oriented
system
of
care
was
in,
in
our
opinion,
meeting
the
intent
of
the
recommendation
and
we
use
the
Alberta
Recovery
Council
as
an
example
of
how
the
collaboration
is
happening
across
Ministries.
So
the
Ministries
that
the
The
Advocate
mentioned
that
she
felt
should
be
involved
in
the
development
of
the
strategy
are
all
Ministries
that
participate
on
that
Alberta
Recovery
Council
and
there
has
been
work
that
has
come
out
of
that
collaboration.
M
I'll
call
it
I
thought
Alberta
Recovery
Council
table,
including
the
child
youth
Health
Services
initiative,
which
I
spoke
about
in
my
presentation,
which
is
you
know,
expanding
Services
really
across
the
Continuum.
M
So
if
we
think
of
prevention,
early
intervention
services,
as
well
as
more
clinical
Mental,
Health
Services
to
communities
across
the
province,
that
includes
the
work
that
we've
done
on
Mental
Health
with
that
work,
but
then
also
the
work
that
children's
services
and
our
ministry
has
done
together,
for
example,
to
expand
the
virtual
opioid
dependency
program
by
funding
a
specific
youth
team
to
work
with
children,
particularly
or
youth,
particularly
in
group
home
settings.
So
those
are
just
a
couple
of
examples
of
the
of
the
work
that
has
come
out
of
that
Alberta
Recovery
Council
committee.
N
I
A
few
of
the
pieces,
but
so
what
I'm
hearing
then,
is
that
there
is
not
necessarily
an
intent
to
actually
create
a
strategy
that
the
intent
is
simply
to
find
portions
of
work
already
being
done
by
the
arc.
Where
then,
you
would
also
add
an
additional
lens
for
youth
or
youth
elements,
though
it
seems
to
me
if
I
may,
just
clarify
as
well
I
mean
the
child.
I
Youth
Advocate
was
quite
clear,
I
think
in
our
discussions
with
her
at
our
last
meeting
that
she
is
envisioning
such
a
strategy
as
a
comprehensive
strategy
that
would
cover
everything
from
you
know:
sort
of
Early,
Education
and
prevention
and
in
her
words,
starting
as
early
as
grades.
Two
and
three
appropriate
work
all
the
way
up
to
the
up
to
a
actual
response
in
the
community
and
services,
ranging
from
harm
reduction
through
to
recovery,
oriented
care
and
that
that
strategy
would
Encompass
all
those
elements
with
those
Folks
at
the
table,
including
herself
contributing.
M
Well,
thanks
for
passing
along
that
information,
because
the
advocate
has
not
passed
that
along
herself,
so
I
appreciate
that
that
update
this
recommendation,
I
think,
as
you
know,
was
made
under
the
previous
Advocate,
and
so
you
know,
we've
certainly
had
preliminary
or
early
conversations,
I
guess
with
the
new
Advocate,
and
would
welcome
that
conversation
with
her
as
well.
I
would
say
that
the
provincial
strategy
is
establishing
recovery,
oriented
systems
of
care,
and
that
is
the
strategy
at
this
point
that
we're
relying
upon.
But
again
would
absolutely
welcome
that
conversation
with
the
current
advocate.
D
Orr,
thank
you.
Another
question.
Children's
services
and
The
Advocate
are
probably
not
always
going
to
be
able
to
completely
agree
on
on
recommendations
in
some
cases,
probably
because
of
legal
restraints
that
the
ministry
has
to
work
under,
and
the
role
of
the
advocate,
of
course,
is
to
try
and
envision
the
best
world
possible
and
then
the
Ministries
get
tasked
with
trying
to
fix
what's
hard
to
fix.
So
my
question
is:
when
there's
I'll
just
use
the
word
disagreement
or
inability
to
to
come
to
terms.
D
Is
there
some
sort
of
resolution
process
where
both
parties
are
maybe
able
to
at
least
to
come
some
sort
of
mutual
agreement,
or
even,
if
not,
that
is
there
still
in
your
set
and
your
mind
at
least
some
progress
made
in
terms
of
public
good
and
resolving
the
issues,
because
I
I,
don't
I,
come
from
the
assumption
that
all
of
you
are
trying
to
achieve
the
best
you
can
it's
just.
You
come
from
different
points
of
view.
So
anyway,
that's
my
question.
K
So
you're
right
sometimes
we
don't
agree
with
the
recommendation
of
an
advocate
and
if
that
occurs,
I
mean
it
doesn't
happen
very
often
because
there
are
lots
of
opportunities
in
advance
of
a
recommendation
being
finalized
by
the
advocate
for
us
to
have
conversations.
K
But
in
the
unusual
event
that
that
happens,
there
is
a
resolution
process
you
know
and
when
it
does
happen,
it's
often
where
we
we
accept
the
intent.
But
we
don't
fully
accept
the
recommendations.
Sometimes
that's
where
we
have
a
little
bit
of
tension,
because
they
would
like
us
to
fully
accept
the
recommendation
so
and
they
may
not
be
satisfied
that
the
action
that
we've
undertaken
satisfy
the
fullness
of
the
recommendation
that
they
made.
K
So
when
that
happens,
the
executive
directors
in
the
respective
Ministries
meet
to
discuss
and
to
determine
and
to
have
a
dialogue
and
to
have
a
conversation
about
each
other's
views
on
the
recommendation
and
on
actions
taken
today
to
date
or
on
progress
and
then
sharing
information,
and
that
may
result
in
a
redraft
of
our
update
to
The
Advocate
to
as
a
result
of
that
conversation.
If,
in
that
case,
that
we're
still
not
able
to
come
to
some
kind
of
resolution.
K
I
Shepherd
Mr
Shepard,
if
I
may
return
to
Mr
everington,
so
I
hear
what
you're
saying
so,
then
the
work
that's
being
done
by
the
ERC
and
so
you're.
Looking
back
then
with
youth
components
within
that
work.
I
One
of
the
things
I
note
is
that
in
that
initial
recommendation
from
Mr
Graf
and
his
time
is
the
cya,
he
spoke
of
it
being
critical
to
take
original
action
so
that
all
young
people
receive
timely
access
to
a
full
Continuum
of
individualized,
Youth,
oriented
and
evidence-based
services
that
respond
to
their
unique
developmental
needs,
and
indeed,
when
we
had
the
the
current
child
youth
advocate
here
at
committee,
the
other
day
she
also
spoke
with
this
I
had
the
chance
to
ask
her
why
a
youth
specific
strategy
was
needed.
I
She
noted
that
a
young
person's
brain
on
like
an
adult
brain,
remains
a
development.
They
don't
have
the
same
level
of
Reason
self-control
ability
to
think
through
or
consider
consequences
of
their
actions
more
prone
to
rationally
make
decisions
based
on
emotions
or
peer
pressure.
So
again,
she
spoke
of
that
need
for
a
comprehensive
strategy
that
covered
that
full
range
from
early
preventative
education
through
to
recovery,
oriented
treatment.
I
So
my
question
then
I
guess
is
with
the
work
then,
that
the
that
the
ACR
is
doing
in
what
way
then
are
they
specifically
I,
guess
adapting
their
work
to
consider
that
fact
that
the
that
youth
have
very
specific,
unique
developmental
needs,
I,
just
I
just
want
to
clarify
I,
guess
that
this
is
something
that's
being
given
its
own
due
consideration,
its
own
specific
work
and
not
have
the
sense
that
it's
sort
of
being
done
off
the
side
of
the
desk.
M
Think
so
the
Alberta
Recovery
Council
was
one
example
that
we
used
as
sort
of
that
collaborative
body
that
is
working
to
implement
the
auctions
from
the
mental
health
and
addictions
advisory.
Council
report
excuse
me,
but
there
as
a
result,
like
I,
said
of
that
work,
there
has
been
other
collaboration.
M
That's
happened,
so
one
of
the
initiatives
that
I
spoke
about
was
the
child
youth
Health
Services
initiative,
where
we
have
invested
some
additional
funding,
87
million
dollars
over
three
years
for
additional
prevention,
early
prevention,
early
intervention
and
clinical
supports
for
to
support
child
child
and
youth
mental
health.
A
M
Through
that
work,
there
has
been
a
provincial
implementation
committee
that
has
been
established
to
really
help
support,
Implement
that
those
initiatives
at
a
local
level,
so
I
would
say
it's
through
those
types
of
initiatives
like
the
child,
youth,
Health
Services
initiative
and
that
provincial
implementation
committee
that
has
been
established
where
the
needs
of
the
children
in
youth
that
would
be
receiving
those
Services
have
been
considered
and
considered
as
part
of
a
committee
where
the
the
service
delivery
organizations
are
there,
so
Casa
mental
health
as
an
example
who
are
experts
in
the
in
the
delivery
of
child
and
youth,
Mental
Health,
Services,
Alberta
Health
Services
as
well
participates
on
that
provincial
implementation
committee,
as
well
as
there's
representative
representatives
from
Community
organizations,
including
the
RCMP
Alberta
2-1-1,
and
so
it
really
is
about
understanding
those
more
comprehensive
needs
of
the
population
that
they're
trying
to
that
they're
trying
to
serve.
M
So
it's
really
more
through
the
initiatives
that
we're
establishing,
where
we're
taking
a
look
at
some
of
those
other
pieces,
around
development
developmental
needs
and
those
types
of
things,
not
necessarily
at
the
upper
to
Recovery
Council,
which
is
more
of
a
coordinating
body.
To
address
the
actions
within
the
the
mental
health
and
predictions
advisory
Council
report.
I
Thank
you,
Mr
everything
I
appreciate
that
clarification
and
that
that
does
help
understand
the
land.
Help
me
understand
the
landscape
a
bit
more
because
the
follow-up
question
I
would
have
is
again
if
there
does
not
seem
to
be
the
intent,
the
interest
to
create
an
actual
strategy
so
actually
layout
on
paper.
This
is
what
we
intend
to
do
the
years
and
places
we
intend
to
do
it.
Here's
the
things
we
intend
to
track
and
follow.
I
It
makes
it
somewhat
difficult
for
I
would
say
the
cya,
or
indeed
any
of
us
as
elected
members,
to
be
able
to
track,
what's
actually
being
done
to
meet
this
recommendation.
So
what
we
have
is
that
the
intent
has
been
set.
A
Direction
has
been
sent
and
there
will
be
a
number
of
different
initiatives
living
in
a
number
of
different
places
being
accomplished
by
a
number
of
different
bodies,
but
there
is
no
reporting
mechanism.
I
There
is
no
it's
difficult
to
see
what
particular
metrics
we
can
follow,
or
indeed
how
the
cya
can
track,
because
Mr
Graf
I
think
was
quite
clear
that
he
was
looking
for
a
comprehensive
strategy
on
an
issue
that
is
fairly
serious.
We
some
might
say
approaching
crisis
so
I,
guess
in
your
view,
how
will
this
be
trapped
reported?
How
do
we
hold
this
accountable?
How
do
we
ensure
that
we're
having
results
on
the
fundamental
concern
here,
which
is
young
people
being
seriously
injured
or
dying
as
a
result
of
opioid
use.
M
B
Thank
you
just
prior
to
moving
on
to
Mr
Panda,
who
will
be
our
next
questioner.
I
just
want
to
recognize
that
Mr
McIver.
Maybe
you
could
introduce
yourself
to
the
committee.
B
N
Thank
you.
Can
you
hear
me?
Okay,
I
can
hear
you
just
fine.
Thank
you.
Thank
you
through
you,
I
want
to
thank
all
the
public
service
employees
today
for
the
presentations,
especially
informing
through
this
committee,
all
albertans
about
the
status
and
also
all
the
programs
available
for,
through
their
respective
departments
for
and
also
the
funding
available
to
make
things
improve
for
Youth
and
Indigenous
communities.
But
my
question
is
related
to
page
26
of
the
report.
N
N
Are
there
any
other
racial
ethnic
groups
that
are
over
represented
in
the
number
of
deaths
of
children
in
care?
Of
course,
all
of
us
here
in
this
committee
feel
the
same
way.
No
any
death
of
Youth
is
heartbreaking
and
we
all
feel
very
sorry
for
those
families.
But
my
question
is:
are
there
any
other
racial
or
ethnic
groups
outside
of
this
indigenous
yield
that
are
overly
impacted.
N
B
You've
directed
it
towards
Children's
Services,
we'll
let
them
answer
and
then
we'll
see
what
happens.
K
B
I
can
understand
that
and
so
I'm
not
going
to
move
on
to
indigenous
relations
Mr
Panda
did
you
have
a
follow-up.
N
N
Yeah
so
I
again,
my
supplemental
is
again.
It's
is
this
part
of
a
larger,
identical
Trend
that
we
have
seen
in
previous
years.
N
K
I
appreciate
the
question
and
thank
you
very
much
I
understand
that
I'm
here
to
speak
to
the
recommendations
and
the
progress
children
services
has
made
on
the
recommendations
made
by
The,
Advocate
and
and
therefore
I
believe
I'm,
not
at
Liberty.
To
answer
that
question.
G
Thank
you,
Mr,
chair
I
think
it
might
be
useful
to
just
sort
of
remind
all
of
us
as
to
why
we're
here
I
mean
the
changes
that
came
with
the
Advocates
ability
to
make
recommendations,
two
Ministries
and
then
report
on
them
with
something.
G
That's
a
recent
change
that
came
about
as
a
result
of
changes
to
the
advocate's
role
in
2018,
and
it
was
always
intended
to
shed
some
light
on
sort
of
what
was
happening
here,
because
there
was
a
long
history
of
not
transparent
information
around
what
was
happening
with
children
in
Youth
and
care.
So
the
questions
that
are
being
asked
today
are
designed
to
provide
transparency
not
just
to
the
members
of
this
committee,
but
to
the
public
at
large.
G
The
reason
why
the
advocate
makes
recommendations
and
there's
public
reporting
on
it
and
why
we're
here
before
this
committee
is
for
albertans
to
have
a
better
insight
into
what
is
happening
to
support
Children
and
Youth,
and
care
and
and
I
would
hope
that
all
members
of
public
service
and
committee
members
are
here
in
that
Spirit
of
transparency,
to
have
an
honest
conversation
about
what
what's
happening
to
support
young
people
and
carers.
That's
the
intent
of
that.
G
Essentially,
the
ministry's
response
was
that,
instead
of
subject
matter,
experts
that
the
two
on
one
was
available
essentially
for
children's
services
staff
to
access
two
on
one
as
a
resource,
and
so
that
met
the
intent
or
they
accepted
the
intent
of
the
recommendation
and
that
no
further
updates
would
be
would
be
provided
so
The
Advocate
has
indicated.
That
quote.
G
While
two
on
one
is
a
good
General
tool,
it
will
not
give
case-specific
advice
to
help
caseworkers
address
the
needs
of
young
people
and
it
does
not
meet
either
the
intent
or
the
goal
of
this
recommendation.
So
two
Deputy
minister
or
assistant
Deputy,
Minister
Wagner.
Why
did
the
ministry
deem
this
one
to
be
at
least
met
in
terms
of
its
intent?
Even
though
clearly
the
advocate's
office
did
not
agree.
K
Our
public
response
is
that
we
believe
that
we
completed
it.
The
Advocate
indicated
that
her
in
her
adjudication
that
it
was
not
met
and
then
she
closed
it.
In
our
final
update
to
The
Advocate,
we
indicated
that
we
agreed
that
caseworkers
should
never
work
in
isolation
and
they
should
have
access
to
information
and
support
needed
to
support
them
in
their
decision
making.
K
We
encourage
all
of
our
staff
to
access
subject
matter
experts,
whether
that's
through
the
child
advocacy
centers
through
standing
contract
lists
we
have
with
psychologists
and
other
experts
and
to
consult
with
their
managers
on
any
decisions
that
are
needed
on
behalf
of
a
child.
K
K
Each
child
many
children
or
children,
represent
they
bring
to
us
many
different
issues
and
concerns,
and
we
may
never
be
able
to
have
a
comprehensive
list
of
standing
experts
on
hand
if
we
have
very
specific
instances
where
a
child
needs,
a
particular
kind
of
assessment
or
a
child
needs
a
particular
kind
of
intervention,
that's
not
available
here.
We
will
seek
that
out.
On
behalf
of
that
child,
to
enhance
the
resources
and
supports
and
to
meet
the
intent
of
the
advocate's
recommendation.
K
We
will
continue
to
support
Frontline,
staff's
access
to
subject
matter
expertise
through
collaboration
with
our
ministry
and
Community
Partners,
as
the
accepted
intent
is
determined
to
be
met
through
our
current
policy
and
practice.
We've
indicated
to
The
Advocate
that
we
would
not
be
providing
any
further
updates
and,
as
I
said,
she
indicated
she
closed
the
recommendation
and
she
indicated
upon
closure
that
she
believed
it
was
not
met
and
because
it's
closed
we're
not
providing
any
further
public
updates.
G
K
G
Being
very,
this
is
what
I'm
listening
to
some
of
the
responses,
because,
on
the
one
hand,
we're
hearing
that
there's
a
very
collaborative
relationship
between
Ministries
and
the
child
and
youth
Advocates
office
in
terms
of
working
together
on
development
of
recommendations
on
responding
The
Advocate
was
very
clear
in
her
description
of
how
she
goes
about
coming
up
with
the
recommendation
that
she
works
with
Ministries.
To
do
that,
and
so
there
seems
to
be
that
conversation
that's
happening
and
the
deputy,
the
assistant,
Deputy
Minister,
has
indicated.
G
There's
an
mou
between
the
you
know
the
ministry
and
The
Advocates
office.
But
yet
these
answers
seem
to
be
at
Cross
purposes,
with
what
we're
hearing
from
The
Advocate.
They
don't
seem
to
be
aligned,
we're
not
trying
to
single
out
Ms
everington,
but
it
sounds
like
you
know.
Mental
health
and
supports
mental
health
and
addictions,
wasn't
even
aware
of
the
child
and
Advocate
child
news,
Advocates
position
on
what
was
needed
in
a
youth,
specific
opioid
strategy,
which
it's
been
very
clear
to
this
committee.
G
What
it
is
Ms
Wagner
has
clearly
indicated
a
number
of
times
that
at
some
point
the
ministry
just
decides
that
they're
going
to
not
that
they
believe
the
recommendation
has
been
met
or
they're
not
going
to
provide
any
more
updates
and
I.
Don't
see
evidence
of
that
collaborative
conversation,
because
even
looking
at
this
recommendation,
it
says
that
child
intervention
services
should
provide
financial
and
organizational
supports
for
Frontline
staff.
G
That
is
not
the
same
as
what
the
ministry
response
indicating
that
there's
going
to
be
subject
matter,
experts
with
a
list
and
all
of
that,
that's
not
what
the
recommendations
seem
to
be
saying.
It
didn't
certainly
say
that
there
would
be
access
unlimited
for
you
know
to
all
of
these
other
supports.
G
So
it
sounds
like
the
advocate's
office
and
the
recommendation.
Whoever
developed
the
recommendation
is
not
speaking
with
the
ministry
or
the
ministry's,
not
speaking
with
them,
because
the
answers
are
at
Cross
purposes,
with
the
actual
recommendation,
so
I
guess
I'm
coming
back
to
it
feels
like
at
some
point:
Ministries
are
just
deciding
they
make
a
determination
that
something
is
that
they
want
to
meet
it.
They
I
can
imagine
it
doesn't
look
good
to
say
they're
not
going
to
meet
or
they
disagree
with
an
advocate's
recommendation.
They
just
simply
say
sure
we
believe
it's
met.
G
G
K
So
our
response
is
that
we
can
indicate
to
The
Advocate.
We
accept
the
intent
or
we
accept
the
full
recommendation,
as
I
said,
and
we
can
indicate
that
we
believe
it's
in
progress
or
it's
Inc.
It's
complete,
which
we
have
with
respect
to
this
recommendation.
K
The
Advocate
can
indicate
that
he
or
she
believes
that
it's
not
met
and
then,
after
a
period
of
time,
The
Advocate
does
close
recommendations
and
therefore
updates
are
no
longer
required.
We
can
we
consult
with
the
advocate
and
work
with
The
Advocates.
They
share
with
us
in
advance
their
reports
with
their
recommendations.
They
have.
We
have
high
level
discussions
about
reports
that
they
are
undertaking
in
terms
of
what
they're
seeing
and
what
they
think
may
be
a
recommendation.
K
So
we
do
consult
with
them
on
recommendations
and,
as
I
said,
we
do
have
conversations
that
may
not
necessarily
result
every
single
time
in
full
agreement.
We
can
still
choose
to
disagree
and
The
Advocate
has
the
ability
and
have
or
has
made
the
decision
that
they
will
close
recommendations
after
three
years
and
no
further
updates
will
be
required.
K
So
much
of
this
collaboration
is
taking
place
at
the
time
of
preparation
of
the
report
and
preparing
the
recommendations.
We
have
opportunities
to
provide
input.
We
have
opportunities
to
have
conversations
about
the
recommendations,
but
we
may
not
always
agree.
C
Yeah,
thank
you.
Chair
and
I've
got
questions
for
Miss
everington
with
regards
to
mental
health
and
addictions
issues
that
they're
they're
constant,
they're,
consistently
discussed
throughout
Pages
59
to
65
of
The
Advocates
report.
As
you
know,
over
the
past
four
years
this
government
has
been
building
out
a
recovery,
oriented
system
of
care,
and,
while
some
of
our
colleagues
on
the
opposite
side
of
the
table
suggest
that
this
government
is
not
taking
action,
there
appears
to
be
a
clear
strategy
towards
addressing
addiction
and
mental
health
challenges
in
Alberta.
M
The
Alberta
model
focuses
on
the
needs
of
these
individuals,
families
and
communities
and
creates
environments
to
help
all
people
with
her
at
risk
of
substance
use
or
mental
health
issues
in
achieving
improved
Health,
wellness
and
quality
of
life.
This
includes
supporting
families
and
community
in
their
work
to
prevent
addiction
and
mental
ill
ill
health,
including
among
Children
and
Youth
recovery-oriented
systems
of
care,
provide
individuals
with
the
full
spectrum
of
services
and
supports
they
may
need
for
all
stages
of
their
recovery.
M
Journey,
including
prevention,
early
intervention,
treatment
and
Recovery
supports
recovery,
oriented
systems
of
care
focus
on
building
an
individual's
recovery.
Capital
recovery
capital
is
the
combination
of
personal
interpersonal
and
Community
Resources
that
a
person
has
to
draw
upon
to
find
and
sustain
recovery.
M
This
would
include
things
like
ensuring
that
basic
needs
are
met,
such
as
safe
and
stable
housing
that
people
have
enough
food
to
eat,
having
good
physical
health.
It
also
includes
personal
skills
and
knowledge
like
education,
training
and
problem
solving
abilities.
It
also
includes
relationships,
including
with
friends
and
family,
and
also
includes
the
support
one
might
get
from
their
community
and
culture,
including
informal
supports,
like
peer
groups
and
a
general
willingness
to
offer,
help
and
support,
as
well
as
broader
government
policies
that
make
recovery
supports,
available
and
accessible
through
the
Alberta
model.
M
We
are
working
to
build
the
recovery
capital
of
individuals,
including
Youth
and
Young
adults,
their
families
and
communities.
This
includes
strengthening
preventative
supports,
like
the
integrated
School
support
program
that
I
spoke
about
earlier
offered
through
the
Calgary
police,
Youth
Foundation,
as
well
as
increase
in
the
accessibility
of
specialized
addiction
and
Mental
Health
Services,
like
through
the
virtual
opioid
dependency,
youth
team
and
the
personalized
community
of
care
programs,
both
of
which
are
in
partnership
with
Children's
Services.
C
You
find
me
yes
go
ahead,
so
just
from
that,
it's
I'm
good
I'm,
glad
to
hear
that
prevention
is,
is
part
of
the
the
strategy
and
and
as
we're
building
out
recovery,
oriented
system
of
care.
Trying
to
understand
this.
This
you
talked
in
your
presentation
about
the
work,
that's
with
Alberta
Health,
and
so
these
types
of
strategies,
I,
believe,
are
likely
not
siled
initiatives.
C
So
if
you
could
talk
to
what
other
Ministries
would
be
involved
in
in
the
development
of
of
a
recovery,
oriented
system
and
I
have
one
question
with
regards.
Also
you
talked
about
the
Calgary
police
foundation,
integrated
school
programs,
and
it
sounded
like
in
your
presentation.
It
was
it
it
broadens
out
and
goes
throughout
the
province
that
that
program
I
just
need
Clarity
on.
That
is,
if
that,
if
that's
just
a
Calgary
initiative
or
if
it
actually
is
available
to
schools
throughout
the
province,.
M
Sure
so
I'll
start
with
the
first
part
of
your
of
your
question.
So
the
the
ministry
of
mental
health
and
addictions
mandate
is
to
lead
and
establish
cross
Ministry
and
cross-sector
Recovery
oriented
systems
of
care
and
make
recovery
the
primary
mental
health
and
addiction
policy
across
all
government.
This
includes
with
Children's
Services,
seniors,
community
and
Social
Services,
Public
Safety
and
Community
Services
education,
indigenous
relations
and
justice.
One
way
we're
doing
this,
as
I
mentioned
previously,
is
through
the
Alberta
Recovery
Council,
as
recommended
in
the
report
toward
an
Alberta
model
of
Wellness.
M
The
Alberta
Recovery
Council
is
a
cross
Ministry
body
directed
to
implement
the
actions
identified
in
the
report,
including
actions
to
support
young
people
as
a
tenant
of
building
recovery.
Oriented
systems
of
care
is
coordinated
and
integrated
supports
and
services.
So
everything
we
do
is
in
collaboration
with
other
Ministries
and
sectors
and
as
I
mentioned
previously
and
as
you've
raised
again
and
an
example
is
the
implementation
of
the
child
and
youth
Health
Services
initiative,
where
a
provincial
implementation
committee
has
been
established.
E
So
regarding
the
recommendation
on
quality
assurance
processes,
seniors
and
Community,
Social
Services
is
saying
that
it's
refreshing
its
accountability
approach
and
updating
performance,
accountability
Frameworks,
including
quantitative
and
qualitative
measures,
I'm.
Looking
for
some
specific
examples
on
how
you
have
refreshed
these
accountability
approach,.
H
Thank
you
for
the
question,
so
we've
in
my
in
my
division,
accountability.
We
have
appeals
and
accountabilities
and
and
important
for
us
to
and
I
think
some
of
the
members
have
said
how
to
measure
so
that
that
we
can
look
at
outcomes
and
see
if
we're
achieving
those
outcomes.
H
So
we've
taken
a
look
at
a
lot
of
the
a
lot
of
the
performance
metrics
that
we
have
and
we
use
to
evaluate
the
programs
and
there's
always
a
balance
between
these
metrics,
whether
it's
qualitative
or
quantitative,
I
can
speak
from
a
past
experience
in
which
a
lot
of
quality
qualitative
measures
said.
Do
you
like
the
money
we
gave
you
and
the
response
was?
Yes,
we,
like
the
money
we
gave
you,
so
we
have
to
have
a
looks
balance
that,
with
some
of
the
hard
metrics,
the
hard
outcomes
a
lot
of
times,
government
measures
outputs.
H
H
So
if
we
look
at
some
of
our
questions
to
some
of
our
service
providers
in
PDD
or
in
an
fscd
they're,
more
qualitative
in
nature,
some
and
they're
outcome
based,
so
are
you
receiving
the
support
to
allow
you
to
integration
in
the
community?
H
Those
kind
of
questions
instead
of
like
I,
said:
do
you
do
you
use
the
money
enough
or
or
not
so
so,
some
specific
examples
of
of
some
of
the
qualitative
measures,
our
families
getting
the
support
that
they
need
for
for
their
children
and
care
so
again
a
balance
between
what
what
it
looks
like
as
as
far
as
processing
applications.
If
you
will
and
then
some
of
those
those
outcomes.
So
we've
started
that
work
and
we
continue
to
work
on
this
and
and
also
to
add
and
I,
didn't
get
to
my
presentation
on
this.
H
E
Okay
answer
your
question:
go
ahead.
You
find
me
a
follow-up
thing,
so
in
specific
relation
to
to
youth
unemployment,
can
you
give
me
the
exact
outcomes
that
you're
trying
to
achieve
in
relation
to
that
particular
portfolio?
So
I.
H
Don't
have
specific
to
to
those
that
that
specific
program
I
would
I
would
take
that
back
to
the
ministry
to
to
find
the
exacts
right.
I
don't
have
that
information
with
me
right
now.
Is
it?
Is
it,
but
again
what
we're
looking
at
on
that
and
those
programs
again
and
those
those
are
easy
in
some
sense
easy
in
that
we
have
hard
metrics
on
that.
H
Did
you
get
a
job
right
so
that
there
are
some
metrics,
obviously
are
kind
of
they
start
as
a
foundation
on
that,
and
we
would
look
then
are
the
supports
sufficient
are
the
supports?
Are
the
supports
needed,
or
do
you
have
what
you
need
through
these
programs
and.
E
If,
if
I
may
Mr
chair
just
in
relation
to
that
particular
question,
if
you
are
going
to
be
providing
something
in
writing,
what
I'm
really
interested
in
is
the
individuals.
E
B
Just
maybe,
with
regard
to
that
conversation
that
you
were
having
back
and
forth
there
about
a
written
response,
we're
going
to
be
under
a
bit
of
a
deadline
here,
and
so
it's
going
to
be
very
hard,
so
I'm
wondering
if
there's
actually
going
to
be
time
and
if
we're
going
to
start
asking
for
written
responses,
we're
at
some
point
in
time
later
on,
probably
this
afternoon,
we're
going
to
have
to
have
a
conversation
about
whether
there's
going
to
be
time
for
that:
okay,
okay,
thank
you,
Mr,
Loyola
and
I
believe
it's
Ms,
lovely.
F
Thank
you,
chair,
I,
do
have
a
question
here
under
mental
health
and
addiction.
Page
13
of
the
report
discusses
the
importance
of
support
and
guidance
for
youth
transitioning
out
of
care,
given
the
difference,
in
definition,
between
the
ocya
and
the
health
system,
I
think
it's
important
to
seek
Clarity
on
how
youth,
under
the
age
of
18
transition
into
adult-based
Services.
M
Thank
you,
I'll
I'll
take
the
first
part
of
your
question
first,
and
so
thank
you
for
your
questions.
Through
recovery
oriented
systems
of
care,
we
are
establishing,
as
I
mentioned
before,
these
coordinated
networks
of
community-based
services
and
supports
that
are
person-centered
and
build
on
the
strengths
and
resilience
of
individuals,
families
and
communities.
M
This
recovery
model
focuses
on
the
needs
of
individuals,
families
and
communities
and
creates
environments
to
help
all
people
with
their
at
risk
of
substance,
use
or
mental
health
issues
in
achieving
proved
improved.
Health,
wellness
and
quality
of
life
recovery,
oriented
systems
of
care,
provide
individuals
with
the
full
spectrum
of
services
and
supports
they
may
need
for
all
stages
of
their
recovery.
Journey,
including
prevention,
early
intervention,
treatment
and
Recovery
supports,
and
this
includes
creating
Pathways
between
service
providers
and
between
sectors.
So
people
can
easily
access
the
care
they
need
when
they
need
it.
M
If
I
recall,
we
do
have
those
types
of
programs,
just
a
reminder
to
the
committee
that,
from
from
our
ministry
perspective,
given
that
we
work
so
closely
with
Alberta
Health
Services,
we
need
to
find
youth
as
under
18.
and
so
just
want
to
draw
attention
to
When.
The
Advocate
is
making
recommendations
related
to
youth
in
some
cases.
For
us,
that's
our
adult
programs
that
that
would
fall
into
that.
But
a
good
example
of
what
you're
asking
is
the
virtual
opioid
dependency
program
as
it
serves
both
Youth
and
Young
Adult
populations.
M
The
vodp
was
expanded
recently
to
provide
a
dedicated
team
to
serve
youth
under
age
18,
with
a
focus
on
those
in
group.
Care
settings,
mental
health
and
addiction
and
children's
services
are
providing
an
additional
4.5
million
over
three
years
to
establish
this
dedicated
youth
team
and
the
team
will
treat
up
to
100
more
youth
each
year,
which
includes
supporting
transitions
of
18
year
olds
to
Adult
Services
as
needed.
M
The
new
service
includes
rapid
assessments,
virtual
treatment
for
ongoing
care
recovery,
oriented
youth
programming,
peer
supports
and
parent
family
and
support
worker
Education
and
Training
Alberta
Health
Services
also
operates
395
Community,
Mental,
Health
and
addiction
clinics
across
the
province,
offering
Clinical
Services
to
children,
youth
and
young
adults
24
years
and
under.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
B
Thank
you.
Okay,
I
believe
that,
just
before
we
we
go
into
our
next
person
here.
Individual
we've
got
I've,
got
three
people
on
our
speakers
list
and
we're
coming
rapidly
to
the
end.
So
if
you
could
keep
your
comments
brief
and
go
straight
to
the
questions
we'll
deal
with
Mr
dact
and
Mr
Oren
and
Mr
ayola,
thank
you.
L
Thank
you,
Mr
chair,
just
a
minute
bit
of
context.
I
know
this
afternoon.
Thank
you
to
all
the
presenters
and
representatives
of
the
Ministries
we've
been
attempting
to
drill
down
into
the
means
by
which
we
might
provide
better
care
to
those
who
are
in
government
care
and
receiving
services.
In
response
to
the
recommendations
made
by
the
office
of
the
child,
youth,
Advocate
and
I
always
try
in
these
meetings.
L
It
seemed
to
be
done
just
by
custom
and
I
hearkened
back
to
my
time
on
the
public
accounts
committee,
when
indeed,
recommendations
made
by
the
auditor
general
certainly
were
not
recommendations
that
could
be
ignored
by
Ministries
and
they
were
left
open
that
his
or
her
discretion,
and
they
were
on
the
book
sometimes
for
years
if
they
were
not
responded
too
satisfactory.
L
Certainly
directed
initially
to
Madame.
K
So
you
are
correct:
each
of
the
offices.
Officers
of
the
legislature
have
different
pieces
of
legislation
that
enable
their
activities,
and
each
of
them
has
a
different
accountability
framework
in
terms
of
how
they
report
back
to
the
legislature
and
how
they
interact
with
Ministries
or
members
of
the
public.
So
The
Advocates
legislation
does
differ
from
the
legislation
that
establishes
the
office
of
the
auditor
general
or
the
Privacy
commissioner,
and
the
legislation
that
establishes
The
Advocate
does
not
provide
any
direction
either
to
The
Advocate
origin
Ministry.
K
So
if
there's
in
the
absence,
as
you
pointed
out,
people
create
that
kind
of
policy
or
custom
or
conventions
to
respond
to
the
legislation,
you
are
correct
that
the
auditor
has
a
very
different
regime
than
the
advocate
has.
The
auditor
is
can
compel
things
they
also
have
a
different
process
for
establishing
recommendations.
In
that
those
recommendations.
K
Ministries
are
aware
of
the
tests
that
the
auditor
will
use
to
assess
our
compliance
to
their
recommendations
as
part
of
establishing
the
recommendation-
and
it's
true
also
as
a
commissioner,
the
Privacy
commissioner,
and
that
she
has
I-
think
it's
still
a
she.
She
has
her.
Legislation
also
establishes
her
authority
to
compel
Ministries
to
comply
in
her
view
with
any
of
her
orders
or
any
of
the
directions
she
provides.
K
So
they
are
very
different
regimes,
and
you
are
correct
that,
in
the
absence
of
Direction
and
legislation,
both
parties
follow
kind
of
conventions
or
internal
processes
or
informal
agreements
about
how
we
will
respond
to
recommendations
and
interact
with
one
another's.
So,
for
example,
the
auditor
The
Advocate
is
the
one
who
establishes
that
she
will
close
recommendations
after
three
years.
That
is
also
not
in
legislation.
That
is
a
decision
that
the
office
established
and
took
so
I
hope
that
answers
your
question
partially.
L
L
Quickly,
would
you
think
it
would
be
in
the
interest
of
transparency
and
the
public
interest
to
have
a
more
a
a
auditor
general
Style
rule
in
place
so
that
there's
less
discretion
on
the
part
of
the
Ministries,
such
as
your
own?
With
respect
to
the
recommendations
made
by
the
office
of
child
youth
Advocate?
Would
it
would
be
beneficial?
Would
you
would
you
like
that
that
Gap,
that
that
hole
in
the
legislation
to
be
filled
with
the
more
direct
requirement
for
response.
B
We
I
give
the
member
an
opportunity
to
to
answer
that
question.
You
do
have
the
discretion
to
answer
or
not
answer
that
question.
K
So
my
response
to
that
question
would
be
I
think
that
is
an
excellent
question
for
the
respective
ministers
to
have
that
question
put
to
them
and
have
them
respond.
As
it's
a
policy
question.
Thank
you.
D
Okay-
and
this
was
kind
of
partly
addressed,
and
then
the
last
one-
it's
it's
for
Miss
everington
I
I've
followed
the
virtual
opioid
dependency
program
ever
since
before
it
started
because
it
started
in
my
annual
company,
so
you
you're
you're
expanding
it
to
include
a
youth
segment.
I
guess
is
the
word
I
would
use
so
so
how
many
youth
have
been
using
it
that
that
have
brought
to
awareness
the
need
to
do
that
and
and
how
will
the
the
news?
D
The
new
effort
actually
help
the
youth,
because
I
mean
already
they're
using
it.
I
understand
so
I'm
just
interested
in
that
whole
piece
of
it.
M
So
it's
it's
brand
new,
so
the
virtual
opioid
dependency
program
was
always
able
to
work
with
youth.
A
M
Treat
youth,
what
we,
what
we've
done
is:
we've
worked
with
children's
services
and
the
virtual
opioid
dependency
program
to
establish
the
specialized
youth
team,
recognizing
that
youth
have
particular
needs,
as
members
of
the
committee
have
have
raised
today,
they
have
product
particular
needs
that
that
we
need
to
be
able
to
meet
through
that
service,
and
it
requires
this
specialized
team
to
really
be
able
to
do
that
in
a
focused
way.
So
the
team
is
just
being
established
at
this
point
in
time.
M
B
Okay,
I
believe
Mr
Loyola
has
seeded
his
time
to
miss
panchoi.
So
you
get
the
last
questions
right.
G
Thank
you,
Mr
chair
I,
just
have
a
couple
questions
for
Miss
Wagner
on
the
ongoing
recommendations
that
are
before
the
child,
youth
Advocate
right
now
and
before
the
ministry,
with
respect
to
the
recommendation
around
we'll,
actually
go
for
the
First
Nation
designate
recommendation.
So
on
that,
on
that
recommendation
there
was
I
I
see
that
the
ministry
is
basically
indicating
that
they're
strengthening
their
policy
and
practice
around
that.
There
was
also
discussion
under
the
ministerial
panel
on
child
intervention.
G
That's
that
the
child
and
youth
family
enhancement
act
would
go
under
an
all-party
review.
This
was
through
the
stronger,
safer
tomorrow
action
plan
that
the
act
itself
would
undergo
a
an
all-party
review,
and
amendments
would
be
made
with
respect
specifically
to
this
issue.
On
you
know.
The
role
of
the
band
designate
that
review
according
to
the
action
plan
was
supposed
to
be
completed
by
the
end
of
2021..
G
Clearly
it
has
not
happened
so
I'm
curious
as
to
whether
that
is
part
of
the
work
that
you'll
be
doing
on
an
ongoing
basis
to
address
this.
This
recommendation
from
The
Advocate
to
strengthen
the
role
of
the
band
design
or
First
Nation
design.
K
K
So
we
are
preparing
for
that
review
and
it's.
That
is
a
full
legislative
view
of
the
act,
and
so
that
would
include
as
part
of
the
scope
of
a
full
review
I'm
as
determined
by
the
panel.
That
would
include
the
role
of
the
First
Nation
designate.
K
G
You
so
yeah,
so
so
that
is
a
departure
from
what
was
the
ministry
has
been
indicating,
which
is
that
it
has
been
implementing
all
of,
except
for
three
of
the
actions
in
the
action
plan.
So
clearly
that
is
not
an
accurate
statement
that
the
ministry
is
repeated
and
many
former
ministers
have
repeated
a
number
of
times
with
respect
to
the
recommendation
of
quality
assurance
processes.
G
You
referred
there
to
the
service
delivery,
accountability,
standards
to
measure
the
quality
of
services
provided
to
children,
youth
and
families.
I'm,
just
I'm
just
wondering
if
you
could
actually
provide
a
little
bit
of
clarity.
What
that
means
about
how
do
these
standards
actually
measure
the
quality
of
services?
You
mentioned
in
your
introduction,
the
elders,
wisdom,
Circle
and
implementing
you
know
the
youth
advisory
Council
recommendations,
but
you
know
how
does
that?
How
do
these
standards
really
improve
the
quality
on
a
case-by-case
basis
and
how
do
those?
How
do
they
apply?
Essentially.
K
So
that
Suite
of
tools,
it's
an
excellent
question.
Thank
you.
So
I'll
give
you
a
few
examples
of
how
those
Sweden
tools,
how
those
Suite
of
tools
inform
day-to-day
practice
and
decision
making.
So
on
a
regular
basis.
Reports
are
published
and
provided
to
management
from
the
office
statutory
director
on
standard
specific
to
expectations
in
the
ACT.
How
many
children
have
cultural
plans,
how
many
children
are
receiving
face-to-face
visits
within
the
established
standards?
K
How
many
children
have
a
permanency
plan
as
per
the
legislation
and
in
the
case
that
there
is
a
an
office
that
is
falling
behind
in
those
standards
there
are
fall
or
a
delegated
First
Nation
agency?
K
There
are
established
processes
to
escalate
those
those
concerns
and
to
develop
action
plans
in
response
in
response
to
as
well
supervisors
receive
daily
reports
on,
say,
for
example,
how
long
it's
taking
to
complete
an
investigation
and
if
an
investigation
is
outside
of
the
established
standards,
the
supervisor
receives
a
report
by
worker
and
follow-up
will
occur
with
that
worker.
To
determine.
Is
this
a
matter
of
caseload?
Do
you
need
your
caseload
lessons?
Do
you
need
assistance
or
consultation
with
someone
to
further
the
investigation?
K
B
Thank
you
very
much.
As
committee
members
are
aware,
we
do
have
a
few
more
items
on
our
agenda
that
need
to
be
addressed
today,
so,
on
behalf
of
the
committee,
I
would
like
to
express
our
appreciation
to
all
the
presenters
who
joined
us
today
and
contributed
to
our
review
of
the
child
and
youth
Advocates
annual
report.
B
B
This
committee
has
met
the
advocate
regarding
her
annual
report.
We've
just
received
I'm
sorry
we're
under
next
steps.
Here
this
committee
has
met
the
advocate
regarding
her
annual
report.
We
just
received
presentations
from
four
Ministries
and
we've
also
received
written
briefings
from
three
other
Ministries
in
planning
our
remaining
steps
in
the
review
process.
B
D
Yeah,
so
just
to
be
clear,
that
means
that
at
the
next
meeting
we
have
to
sort
of
I
don't
know
deliberate,
where
we're
going
with
all
of
this
and
come
up
with
with
statements,
recommendations.
B
This
committee
has
received
a
significant
amount
of
information
for
our
consideration.
We
will
be
moving
on
to
the
deliberation
stage
of
this
review
at
our
next
meeting
before
we
move
on
I'd
like
to
once
again
thank
all
of
our
presenters
for
meeting
with
us
today
and
all
of
the
officials
that
have
prepared
written
submissions
for
our
consideration.
B
Also,
on
behalf
of
the
committee,
I
would
like
to
express
our
gratitude
to
Mr
crosson
and
Ms
Thompson
and
all
of
their
colleagues
at
the
office
of
the
child
and
youth
advocate
for
supporting
the
work
of
this
committee
for
all
your
efforts
supporting
the
children
and
the
Youth
of
this
province.
We
would
definitely
like
to
say
thank
you
for
all
your
work.
B
B
I'd
like
to
quickly
revisit
the
issue
of
providing
ASL
interpretation
on
a
trial
basis
at
our
next
meeting.
If
this
is
something
the
committee
is
wishing
to
pursue
again
for
our
next
meeting,
I
would
look
for
someone
to
move
the
following
motion:
okay,
Mr
Loyola:
that's
fine!
Move
by
Mr
Loyola
that
the
standing
committee
on
legislative
offices
direct
the
Legislative
Assembly
office
to
seek
to
have
American
sign
language
interpretation
at
its
February
16
2023
meeting,
all
in
favor
aye,
all
in
all,
in
favor
online
hi.