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Good
morning,
everyone
I'd
like
to
call
the
meeting
to
order
and
welcome
everyone
in
attendance.
The
committee
has
under
consideration
the
estimates
of
the
ministry
of
technology
and
Innovation
for
the
fiscal
year
ending
March
31st
2024.
I'd.
Ask
that
if
we
go
around
the
table
and
have
members
introduce
themselves
for
the
record
Minister,
please
introduce
the
officials
that
are
joining
you
at
the
table
and
my
name
is
Glenn
Van
Dyke
and
I'm.
The
MLA
for
Athabasca
bar
head
Westlock
and
chair
of
this
committee
and
begin
starting
at
my
right.
Thank.
F
Good
morning,
Rick
McIver
MLA
for
Calgary
Hayes.
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B
You
I'd
like
to
note
the
following
substitutions
for
the
record:
remember
Carson
as
Deputy
chair
for
Nicole
Goring
and
Miss
Rosen
for
honorable
Mrs
Armstrong
homanek
a
few
housekeeping
items
to
address
before
we
turn
to
the
business
at
hand.
Please
note
that
the
microphones
are
operated
by
Hansard
staff
committee.
Proceedings
are
live
streamed
on
the
internet
and
broadcast
on
the
Alberta
assembly.
Tv,
the
audio
and
video
stream
and
transcripts
of
the
meetings
can
be
accessed
via
the
Legislative
Assembly
website.
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B
Please
set
your
cell
phones
and
other
devices
to
silent
for
the
duration
of
the
meeting
honorable
members.
The
standing
order
set
out
the
process
for
consideration
of
the
main
estimates.
A
total
of
two
hours
has
been
scheduled
for
consideration
of
the
estimates
for
the
ministry
of
technology
and
Innovation
standing
in
order.
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Section
1,
subsection
7
establishes
the
speaking
rotation
and
speaking
times
in
brief,
the
minister
or
member
of
executive
Council,
acting
on
The
Minister's
behalf
we'll
have
10
minutes
to
address
the
committee
at
the
conclusion
of
The
Minister's
comments.
B
A
50-minute
speaking
block
for
the
official
opposition
begins,
followed
by
a
20-minute
speaking
block
for
independent
members
and
then
a
20-minute
speaking
block
for
the
government.
Caucus
individuals
may
only
speak
for
up
to
10
minutes
at
a
time,
but
speaking
times
may
be
combined
between
the
member
and
the
minister.
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If
members
have
any
questions
regarding
speaking
times
or
the
rotation,
please
send
an
email
or
message
the
committee
clerk
about
the
process
Ministry
officials
may
be
present
and
at
the
direction
of
the
minister
May
address
the
committee
Ministry
officials,
seated
in
the
gallery,
if
called
upon,
have
access
to
a
microphone
in
the
gallery
area
and
are
asked
to
please
introduce
themselves
for
the
record
prior
to
commenting
pages
are
available
to
deliver
notes
or
other
materials
between
the
gallery
and
the
table.
Attendees
in
the
gallery
may
not
approach
the
table.
B
Space
permitting
opposition
caucus
staff
may
sit
at
the
table
to
assist
their
members.
However,
members
have
priority
to
sit
at
the
table
at
all
times.
If
debate
is
exhausted
prior
to
two
hours,
the
ministry's
estimates
are
deemed
to
have
been
considered
for
the
time
allotted
in
the
schedule,
and
the
committee
will
adjourn.
B
Points
of
order
will
be
dealt
with
as
they
arise
in
individual
speaking
times
will
be
paused.
However,
the
speaking
block
time
and
the
overall
two-hour
meeting
clock
will
continue
to
run
any
written
material
provided
in
response
to
questions
raised
during
the
main
estimates
should
be
tabled
by
the
minister
in
the
assembly
for
the
benefit
of
all
members.
B
Amendments
must
be
in
rating
and
approved
by
parliamentary
Council
prior
to
the
meeting
at
which
they
are
to
be
moved.
The
original
amendment
is
to
be
deposited
with
the
committee
clerk
with
20
hard
copies.
An
electronic
version
of
the
signed
original
should
be
provided
to
the
committee
clerk
for
distribution
to
committee
members.
B
Finally,
the
committee
should
have
the
opportunity
to
hear
both
questions
and
answers
without
interruption
during
estimates
debate,
debate
flows
through
the
chair
at
all
times,
including
instances
when
speaking
time
is
shared
between
a
member
and
the
minister
I,
would
now
invite
the
minister
of
technology
and
Innovation
to
begin
with
your
opening
remarks.
Minister,
you
have
10
minutes.
H
Thank
you
chair,
please,
today,
to
speak
to
technology
Innovations
2023
budget
by
presenting
our
estimates
for
the
upcoming
fiscal
year,
as
I
mentioned
I'm
joined
today
by
my
Deputy
David
James
by
my
assistant,
Deputy
Oriental,
and
my
senior
Financial
Officer
Richard
Isaac
technology
and
Innovation
is
a
really
strategic
Department
of
government
designed
to
support
modernization
of
Service
delivery,
while
fostering
a
strong
and
diverse
technology
and
Innovation
ecosystem.
H
We
have
a
foundational
and
strategic
role
of
working
with
other
Ministries
to
modernize
government
Service
delivery
and
to
accelerate
the
adoption
of
technology
and
Innovation
with
the
aim
of
delivering
better,
faster
and
smarter
services
to
albertans
in
a
safe
and
secure
manner.
We
are
implementing
several
strategies,
including
the
Alberta
technology
and
Innovation
strategy,
the
Alberta
Broadband
strategy
and
keep
which
are
key
priorities
that
to
help
strengthen
the
provincial
economy,
we
develop
and
maintain
the
applications
and
tools
that
help
every
other
part
of
government
deliver
high
quality,
secure
services
to
All
Brands.
H
We
also
protect
the
Alberta
Government
network
from
cyber
threats,
including
digital
fraudulent
activities,
a
task
that
grows
more
complicated
and
essential.
Every
year,
budget
2023
is
securing
Alberta's
future
by
growing.
The
economy,
strengthening
Health
Care,
creating
more
jobs
and
focusing
on
Public
Safety
to
support
albertans
the
economy
has
momentum
and
Alberta's
government
is
focused
on
even
more
job
creation
economic
engine.
H
We
are
attracting
more
investment
than
ever
before
and
providing
supports
to
help
businesses
and
entrepreneurs.
Thrive
and
the
department
of
technology
and
Innovation
plays
an
integral
role
in
keeping
this
momentum
going.
Technology
and
Innovations
Consolidated
expense
for
Budget
2023
is
1.01
billion
dollars,
representing
an
increase
of
122.7
million
or
13.8
percent
from
last
budget
year.
This
investment
supports
our
role
of
modernizing
government
driving,
Innovation
and
fostering
efficient
delivery
of
programs
and
services.
H
Part
of
this
funding,
7.5
million,
will
be
used
to
hire
specialized
staff
to
support
technical
infrastructure
related
to
the
data
strategy.
A
key
priority
that
will
help
improve
Public
Services,
create
jobs
and
attract
new
companies
and
investment
to
Alberta
division
also
supports
the
Innovation
economy
through
several
Grant
and
accelerated
programs,
including
those
delivered
through
Alberta
innovates
and
Alberta
Enterprise
Corporation,
two
organizations
that
make
all
contributions
to
the
provincial
innovation
in
many
ways.
Technology
and
Innovations
budget
allocations
will
help
establish
a
stronger
future
for
the
province.
H
Overall,
the
digital
accelerator
program
is
a
120
million
dollar
capital
investment
over
three
years,
and
it
will
be
essential
as
Alberta's
government
works
to
modernize
Service
delivery,
so
we
can
meet
the
evolving
needs
of
albertans.
Albertans
are
at
the
center
of
everything
we
do,
and
the
and
future
services
will
be
built
with
end
users
in
mind.
Albertans
struggling
to
make
ends
meet,
will
save
time
and
money
by
accessing
a
range
of
online
services
when,
where
and
how
they
choose,
potentially
eliminating
the
need
to
travel
or
take
time
off.
H
Work
to
visit
a
government
office
and
government
will
save
time
and
money
through
automation,
better
data
management
and
usage,
modern
service
design
and
streamlined
Service
delivery
options.
The
digital
accelerator
program
will
advance
the
transformation
of
services
in
multiple
areas
across
government
using
digital
approaches
and
Technologies.
H
The
digital
accelerator
will
also
support
economic
diversification
by
creating
more
opportunities
for
recent
graduates
startups
and
growing
businesses
to
work
with
government.
This
January
my
department
engaged
with
key
stakeholders
and
collected
more
than
1
300
survey
responses
from
albertans
to
understand
what
they
want
and
expect
from
government
services.
We
gathered
some
critical
insights
from
that
survey.
For
example,
we
heard
that
albertans
enjoy
the
convenience
of
online
services,
but
may
experience
change,
fatigue
or
technical
barriers.
H
We
heard
that
not
all
services
will
benefit
from
digitization
and,
as
we
expected,
we
heard
that
data
security
is
Central
to
maintaining
trust
in
our
services.
The
tactics
of
execution
based
feedback
from
the
survey
are
already
in
motion.
Its
principles
were
successfully
tested
during
development
of
several
recently
introduced
services,
including
court,
modernization
with
Alberta
Justice,
the
find
housing
application
through
seniors
community
and
social
services
and
the
Aboriginal
consultation
office
with
indigenous
relations.
H
We
also
see
this
with
the
affordability
program
in
the
payment
portal,
which
is
a
user-friendly,
fast
and
easy
tool
to
process
inflation
relief
payouts.
The
results
are
easy
to
use
services
that
focus
on
the
user's
needs.
Looking
forward,
the
concepts
outlined
in
the
digital
strategy
will
be
applied.
When
developing
future
services,
including
the
health
spending
account
which
is
allocated
20
million
dollars
through
budget
2020
..
H
This
mandate
item
for
both
technology
and
Innovation
and
Alberta
Health
will
give
albertans
additional
funding
to
help
pay
for
goods
and
services
not
covered
by
the
Alberta
Health
Care
insurance
Act.
My
department
is
working
on
the
government
of
Alberta
data
strategy,
an
initiative
closely
tied
to
the
digital
strategy
and
the
digital
accelerator
program.
Technology
evolves
quickly
and
Alberta's
government
recognizes
the
need
to
align
our
privacy
framework
with
the
realities
of
today's
rapidly
evolving
Digital
World.
H
H
Better
connectivity
gives
albertan
albertans
businesses
and
communities
the
tools
they
need
to
contribute
to
and
benefit
from
our
economic
diversification
efforts,
including
from
the
growing
technology
sector.
Alberta,
is
experiencing
a
technology
sector
boom,
and
my
department
is
eager
to
see
that
continue.
For
the
last
three
years,
fiscal
years,
our
province
has
attracted
record-breaking
capital
investment,
a
clear
indication
that
the
Alberta
technology
and
Innovation
strategy
or
atis
for
short,
is
working.
More
companies
are
choosing
to
invest
in
Alberta
and
more
innovators
are
choosing
to
build
new
businesses.
Here,
government
is
making
more
Investments
as
well.
H
For
example,
we
are
committed
to
supporting
and
enabling
Innovative
Technologies,
such
as
artificial
intelligence,
Quantum
science
and
other
technology
sectors
where
Alberta
has
a
global,
competitive
Advantage.
One
of
our
key
initiatives
is
the
development
of
an
intellectual
property
commercialization
framework,
a
joint
project
with
Advanced
education
to
to
enable
and
support
post-secondary
institutions,
innovators
and
entrepreneurs
to
commercialize
their
intellectual
property
into
marketable
products
and
services
in
2023-24
government
will
continue
its
work
under
the
Alberta
technology
and
Innovation
strategy
announced
in
2022,
which
seeks
to
create
twenty
thousand
new
jobs
and
see
Alberta's
technology
sector.
H
Generate
five
billion
in
annual
revenue
by
2030.
government
will
continue
its
funding
commitments
in
2023-24,
with
approximately
25
million
dollars
to
support
artificial
intelligence
and
Quantum
science,
as
well
as
expand
the
major
Innovation
fund
and
The
Innovation
Catalyst
Grant
programs
that
support
Innovation
and
Entrepreneurship
for
post-secondaries.
Furthermore,
the
research
capacity
program
and
strategic
research
initiatives
program
supporting
post-secondary
research
will
each
receive
five
million
dollars
through
budget
2020.
H
These
are
smart
investments
into
the
future
of
Alberta
Innovation.
Both
programs
have
a
track
record
of
attracting
nearly
three
dollars
of
federal
and
other
funding
for
every
public
dollar
invested.
My
department
also
works
closely
with
Alberta
innovates
and
the
Alberta
Enterprise
Corporation.
To
ensure
innovators
can
access
the
resources
they
need.
Both
organizations
have
an
enormous
positive
impact
on
the
provincial
Innovation
sector.
H
Short
Mr
chair,
there's
an
enormous
amount
of
excitement
in
the
technology
sector
in
Alberta,
and
a
lot
of
exciting
things
that
we
are
working
on
in
my
departments
that
both
support
government
Service
delivery
and
to
deliver
better
services
to
albertans,
but
also
to
attract
more
investment,
to
drive
more
innovation
developed
in
this
province
and
really
looking
forward
to
the
discussion
today
to
discuss
our
budget.
Thank
you
for
your
attention
and.
B
I
Well,
that
is
I
think
it
was
jerk.
That's
quite
unfortunate
and
I
think
you
know
I've
been
at
this
I've
done
about
14
estimates
now
in
the
past
11
years
and
can
say
that
the
conversation
is
much
more
robust.
In
my
opinion,
when
we
can
go
back
and
forth
no
I
I
will
say
as
I
say
at
the
start
of
of
every
estimates.
I
My
intention
is
is
not
to
land
a
punch
or
or
look
for
an
aha
or
a
gotcha
moment.
Really.
Estimates
is
a
time
for
for
us
to
hear
from
you
and
your
team
Minister
on
on
what
you
plan
to
to
spend
the
outcomes
that
you're
trying
to
drive,
and
so
my
questions
as
the
committee
will
see
are
not
are
not
hyper
partisan
or
this
is
not
question
period.
I
So
I'll
just
start
off
by
by
thanking
you
Minister
and
your
team
that
are
here,
you
know
I
want
to
thank
the
civil
service
for
all
the
work
that
they
do
to
to
help
government
deliver
on
its
outcomes.
I
You've
got
you
know
a
Ministry
that
I
think
back
to
from
2015
to
19
when
I
was
minister
of
Economic
Development
and
trade
and
people
talk
about
how
we
were
the
ministry
of
good
news.
I.
Think
that
extends
to
your
ministry
of
all
the
initiatives
that
that
you're
able
to
do
in
in
technology
and
innovation.
I
So
with
that
we'll
jump
in
I
want
to
start
on
your
business
plan.
It's
outcome,
three
of
the
budget
document.
Actually
I'm
gonna
I'm
gonna
be
referencing
a
couple
different
ones.
So,
in
the
budget
document
page
209
line
202
on
the
Innovation
System
integration,
this
piece
is
accountable
for
the
Liberty
Tech
and
Innovation
strategy.
I
At
the
same
time,
it's
also
in
the
Strategic
plan,
Priority
One
objective
two
attracting
investment
growing,
the
economy.
The
the
dollar
amount
is
the
22.5
million
that
that's
the
price
tag
attached
with
the
the
tech
and
Innovation
strategy,
and
so
I'm
looking
for
for
a
breakdown
is,
is
the
22.5
part
of
the
59
million?
That's
on
line
2.2
of
page
two
and
under
the
budget
document
are
any
of
those
funds
allocated
for
the
regional
Innovation
networks.
I
I
That's
the
the
first
piece
with
that
technology
and
Innovation
strategy,
which
is
referenced
in
a
number
of
different
spots
between
the
Strategic
plan,
the
the
business
plans
and
so
the
22.5
million,
because
it's
referenced
in
a
number
of
places,
I'm
sure
that
that
that
bucket
of
money
is
is,
is
going
to
be
spent
very
very
quickly
in
the
Alberta
Tech
and
Innovation
strategy
document,
you've
got
one
of
the.
I
The
outcomes
is
to
establish
a
public
sector,
artificial
intelligence
lab
with
the
government
of
Alberta
as
an
anchor
tenant
to
develop
Talent
produce
AI
solutions
for
government
enable
individuals
to
create
commercialization
opportunities.
If
I
understand
this
correctly,
this
would
be
the
announcement
that
came
a
few
weeks
ago,
partnering
with
Amy.
I
If
it's
not,
then
I
appreciate
clarification
on.
You
know
that
was
a
30
million
dollar
commitment,
but
I
wasn't
clear
on
how
much
was
the
goas
portion
of
that?
How
much
came
from
the
U
of
A
and
how
much
came
from
the
feds
on
that
announcement,
but
with
that
public
sector
AI
lab,
if
you
can
be
specific
into
which
budget
line
item
that
it's
coming
from
again
so
I'm
referencing,
the
Amy
new
research
chairs
and
so
I
had
a
good
conversation
with
Cam
linke.
I
Who
of
course,
is
the
CEO
of
Amy,
who
was
very
excited
that
he's
able
to
expand
their
chairs
Beyond,
just
the
direct
Tech
space
to
to
bring
in
life
sciences
AG
all
the
other
sectors
that
that
are
using
technology,
which
I
think
is
very
exciting.
I
I
I
I
stand
behind
that
initiative
and
just
curious
to
know
what
was
the
government
of
Alberta's
portion
in
that
continuing
on
in
the
business
plan
I'm
on
outcome,
three
we'll
talk
a
little
bit
about
Alberta,
innovates
I
do
want
to
give
a
shout
out
to
Laura
kilcrease
and
her
team
that
do
incredible
work
province-wide
to
support
our
our
Innovation
ecosystem.
I
I
I
know
now,
probably
six
years
ago,
Albert
innovates
went
through
and
did
a
complete
review
of
all
of
the
programs
that
they
were
delivering
to
ensure
that
they
are
still
serving
their
purpose
and
meeting
the
outcomes
for
albertans
and
so
I'm
curious
and
I
didn't
get
the
answer
from
your
predecessor
for
the
last
three
years.
As
far
as
has
that
work
wrapped
up
I'd
love
to
hear
which
programs
maybe
were
deemed
closed
because
they
had
served
their
purpose.
What
are
some
of
the
new
initiatives
that
Alberta
innovates
is
doing?
I
I'd
also
like
to
hear
because
I've
heard
feedback
from
you
know,
people
within
the
ecosystem
that
that
opportunity
rates
the
work
they're
doing
is
absolutely
fantastic,
but
sometimes
there's
the
challenge
of
of
extraneous
red
tape
or
or
it's
been
challenging
for
some
companies
to
be
able
to
access
dollars
from
Alberta,
innovates
and
I've
heard
companies
say,
especially
for
for
the
smaller
micro
vouchers
or
micro
grants
that
are
ten
thousand
twenty
thousand
dollars.
You
know
for
a
startup.
I
I
Obviously,
we
want
to
make
sure
that
the
money
is
going
to
where
it
needs
to
get
to,
but
but
how
do
we
expedite
that
I'm
curious
to
know
how
many
ftes
Albert
innovates
currently
has
and
then,
in
addition
to
the
ftes
within
Alberta,
innovates
I,
think
they
do
contract
out
some
positions?
If,
if
the
minister
can
outline
what
those
are
again,
I
would
love
to
know
how
much
of
the
budget
is
for
for
programming
or
program
support.
I
So
obviously,
there's
there's
an
administrative
cost
that
Alberta
animates
has
to
absorb
to
be
able
to
deliver
the
programs
to
have
boots
on
the
ground
in
the
communities
but
curious
to
know
out
of
the
180.
You
know:
what's
the
the
portion
or
ratio
of
dollars
that
flow
through
to
companies
versus
dollars
that
are
used
by
The
Entity
itself
again
in
issues
that
Albert
innovates
is
doing
to
reduce
red
tape?
I
I
know,
minister,
in
the
Consolidated
total
it's
about
253
million
dollars.
If
you
have
a
bit
of
a
breakdown
on
and
I
appreciate
that
that's
likely
dollars.
Leverage
from
the
private
sector
from
the
federal
government
as
well,
which
is
great
to
see
I,
know
that
that
Laura
is,
is
big
on
leveraging
dollars
wherever
she
can
get
them
from.
I
know
that
Miss
Williams
is
here
from
Albert
Enterprise
Corporation,
who
does
the
same
and
we'll
get
to
aec
today
a
little
bit
later
this
morning?
I
But
if
you
can
do
a
bit
of
a
breakdown,
I
am
curious.
Minister.
If
you
can
also
comment,
there's
a
bit
of
a
jump
in
capital,
investment
for
Alberta
innovates
in
this
year's
budget,
just
curious
if,
if
they've
acquired
new
buildings
or
if
they're,
refurbishing
some
of
their
existing
ones,
if
you
can
speak
on
that,
that
would
be
great
on
your
ministry.
Business
plan
outcome,
3.3,
which
is
Page
131,
which
provides
Innovation
commercialization
programming
through
over
to
innovates
I'm,
just
curious.
Why
there's
no
performance
metrics
for
this?
I
This
outcome
and
I
will
have
other
questions
when
we
we
go
through
the
key
objectives
which
I
appreciate
that
you've
laid
out
numerous
objectives
for
each
of
the
outcomes.
The
question
that
I
have-
and
it's
in
part
directed
at
the
department
but
the
performance
metrics.
There
are
only
one
or
two
per
outcome
and
many
of
those
are
not
tied
to
the
key
objectives.
And,
of
course
you
know,
Peter
Drucker
famously
said
you
know,
you
can't
manage
what
you
don't
measure.
I
You
can't
improve
what
you
don't
measure,
and
so
you
know
I,
look
at
at
these
performance
metrics
as
critical,
a
critical
tool
to
provide
feedback
for
you,
Minister
for
government
to
be
able
to
go
to
albertans
and
say
Here's
how
we
are
delivering
and
that's
where
some
of
the
performance
metrics
like
3
3.8
is,
is
you
know,
sponsor
research
revenue
attracted
by
Alberta's,
academic
and
research,
universities
I
mean
that's
great
I'd
love
to
hear
Minister.
If
there's
a
role
that
you
have
working
with
post-secondaries
to
be
able
to
change
the
formula
at
the
moment.
I
I
On
the
the
second
three
point
B,
which
I'll
talk
in
my
next
block
about
Albert,
Enterprise
Corporation,
but
I
appreciate
that
metric,
because
it's
very
tangible
and
specific
as
far
as
invested
dollars.
Thank.
B
H
H
We'll
start,
maybe
with
some
of
the
comments
on
the
Alberta
technology
and
Innovation
strategy
related
to
outcome
three
in
the
business
plan,
so
the
there
were
a
number
of
programs
that
have
been
expanded
through
the
Alberta
technology
and
Innovation
strategy,
and
that
includes
the
research
capacity
program
which
helps
to
create
globally
competitive
research
facilities,
critical
to
attracting
and
retaining
talent
and
funding.
There's
also,
the
major
Innovation
fund,
which
is
designed
to
advance
post-secondary,
Innovations
and
technologies
that
are
Market
driven
and
also
that
have
strong
commercialization
potential
I.
H
And
so
that's
why
the
major
Innovation
fund
is
plays
an
important
role
and
then
there's
also
the
Innovation
Catalyst
Grant,
which
provides
commercialization
training
and
support
for
new
entrepreneurs
of
technology
companies
and
just
kind
of
lean
over
to
my
team
here
to
see
if
we
might
have
any
specific
numbers
for
each
of
those
three
components.
H
The
research
capacity
program,
major
innovation
I'll,
keep
maybe
going
through
some
answers
to
your
questions.
While
they
look
for
that
at
a
high
level
to
support
the
implementation
of
of
atis
budget
2223
provided
an
additional
investment
of
73
million
over
the
next
three
years
through
the
Alberta
work
initiative,
which
included
43
million
into
the
the
AI
and
Quantum
science
space
and
30
million
to
expand
the
major
Innovation
fund
and
Innovation
Catalyst
Grant,
and
so
given
that
that
was
a
three-year
investment.
That's
carrying
forward
into
the
current
budget
period
and
continues
so.
H
D
J
H
Years,
okay,
sure
so
I've
got
a
break
down
here.
So
for
the
2324
period,
the
major
Innovation
fund
is
5.2
million
The
Innovation
Catalyst
Grant
is
2.3
million.
The
quantum
funding
is
5
million.
H
The
gray
here
at
the
subtotal
yeah,
so
then
into
artificial
intelligence.
In
the
same
period
we
have
10
million
so
scale
up
and
growth,
accelerator,
2
million,
and
that
should
four
and
a
half
I
hope
that
that
helps
to
provide
some
context
on
the
members
question
and
in
terms
of
which
line
item
and
the
estimates
that
is
attributable
to
it's.
H
H
H
So
that
that
for
clarity
is,
is
included
in
Albert
innovates
budget,
so
which
is
a
separate
line.
H
H
How
do
we
know
if
things
are
working
well
and
so
the
regional
Innovation
Network
right
now
more
than
a
thousand
Regional
Innovation
clients
have
been
served
through
this
program
to
date,
which
is
a
that's
a
big
number
and
I
think
we'll
keep
an
eye
on
that
to
see
how
it
continues
to
to
go
I'm
pleased
to
be
with
with
some
with
some
absolutely
agree
with
the
member
that
we
should
be
looking
to
ensure
that
albertans
are
getting
good
value
for
the
dollars
invested
here,
and
that
is
why
I
look
forward
to
working
closely
with
the
different
program,
operators
and
partners,
so,
whether
that
be
aec
or
Albert
innovates,
or
whether
that
be
the
different
Partners
like
Amy
others
who
received
dollars,
either
directly
or
indirectly
through
my
department
to
make
sure
that
we
have
a
strong
understanding
of
all
of
the
different
programs
that
are
offering
offering
and
the
the
key
performance
metrics
that
they
are
tracking
and
making
sure
that
we're
monitoring
that
and
and
making
sure
that
we're
asking
the
right
questions
so
that
we
can
determine
whether
or
not
albertans
are
getting
good
return
on
investment.
H
I
think
there's
been
a
lot
of
things.
We've
talked
about
today
already
that
have
shown
some
good
value
and
some
good
return
on
investment,
but
I
want
to
assure
the
member
and
all
those
watching
at
home
that
this
is
a
big
priority
for
me
to
to
get
in.
You
know,
put
my
former
Venture
Capital
investor
hat
on
and
make
sure
that
we're
asking
those
tough
questions
and
holding
people
accountable
to
delivering
results,
and
you
know
celebrating
the
successes
as
they
unfold,
but
then
learning
from
anything
that
maybe
isn't
delivering
the
equate.
H
The
results
we
want
and
working
together
with
our
partners
to
drive
towards
continuous
Improvement
in
terms
of
the
AI
lab
I
believe
that
that
is
in
fact,
as
the
member
mentioned,
collaboration.
H
H
Per
year
right,
so
this,
as
the
member
pointed
out,
is,
is
a
collaboration
with
the
other
machines
intelligence
Institute.
It
is
through
Alberta
innovates.
So
it
would
be.
You
know
the
the
line
item
from
my
budget
is
the
line
item
attributing
funding
to
a
bird
innovates,
and
then
the
30
million
towards
Amy
is
coming
from
Albert
innovates
directly.
H
I
know
the
member
has
had
much
dealings
from
his
previous
time
as
a
minister
with
the
folks
from
Amy,
so
I
know
is
very
familiar
with
with
you
and
why
it's
important
to
the
future
of
Alberta
I
do
want
to
just
highlight
in
case
there
was
anyone
who
might
have
heard
about
the
govlab.ai
initiative,
which
I
don't
want
the
two
to
get
confused.
So
so
the
the
AI
lab
piece
through
Auburn
innovates
with
Amy,
is
separate
from
govlab.ai,
and
this
is
a
3.6
million.
H
Another
household
name
in
the
AI
machine,
Learning
Community
here
in
Alberta,
a
great
local
Alberta
success
story
and
the
thought
process
was
we
need
to
find
ways.
I,
I've
been
saying
all
along.
We
need
to
find
more
ways
to
apply
technology
and
innovation
in
everything
we
do
in
government
to
deliver
better
services-
and
you
know
AI
is
a
really
critical
innovation
and
a
great
tool
to
help
us
do
that,
and
we
didn't
have
a
lot
of
In-House
expertise
in
government
to
do
those
kinds
of
things.
H
And
so
we
said,
wouldn't
it
be
great
if
we
created
a
collaboration
environment
where
we
had
some
of
the
best
and
the
brightest
executive
leadership
from
a
partner
like
all
time
out,
coming
together
with
our
civil
service
who's
working
actively
to
solve
problems
in
government
every
day
and
bring
them
together
with
funding
from
the
Alberta
Government
funding
from
Ultimate
to
to
then
just
work
together
to
tackle
problems
with
AI
and
that's
exactly
what
they're
doing
and
so
looking
forward
to
reporting
back
with
some
progress
on
that
in
future
periods.
H
In
terms
of
Albert
innovates
and
new
initiatives,
which
is
something
the
member
mentioned
tying
into
outcome,
three
I
know
one
of
the
newer
initiatives
ties
to
accelerator
programs
and
there's
I,
think
there's
about
a
35
million
investment
between
Albert,
innovates
and
other
sources
going
into
standing
up
a
number
of
different
accelerator
programs.
Those
are
in
the
relatively
early
stages,
so
we'll
be
monitoring
things
like
how
many
companies
have
they
helped
how
how
many
of
those
mature
into
scale-ups,
as
opposed
to
just
starting
looking
at
investment
attracted
into
those
organizations
etc.
H
Those
would
be
things
we
absolutely
will
be
monitoring
to
see
how
those
programs
are
functioning
I'm
just
going
to
check
to
see
if
my
officials
had
found
the
ftes,
so
we
Alberta
innovates
has
589
staff
in
11
locations,
maybe
I'll
just
point
out:
they
do
have
the
contractor
piece.
C
H
So
salaries,
algorithmics
is
68
million
grants.
That's
the
dollars
going
out
to
actually
directly
supporting
companies
is
140
million
or
maybe
just
highlight.
Maybe
we
can
come
back
to
this
in
a
future
block
with
just
a
quick
answer.
If
there
is
a
any.
H
But
I
think
that
covers
most
of
those
questions
on
the
Albert
innovate
side
in
terms
of
leveraging
from
other
sources.
I
think
the
member
raised
a
good
point,
and
this
is
something
I
think
Albert
innovates
has
done
well.
H
I
You
Mr
chair,
thank
you
Minister
for
for
your
answers,
so
the
I
appreciate
you
know
hearing
so
the
589
staff,
so
that
is
I'm
interpreting
because
he
didn't
say:
ftes,
that's
589
bodies
and
the
68
million
you
know
of
of
in-house
or
admin
cost
versus
the
140
that
go
out
and
grants.
I
don't
have
an
issue
with
that.
I
know.
I
Some
people
listening
may
think
that
that
number
seems
high,
that
almost
70
million
compared
to
only
twice
as
much
going
out
in
Grants,
but
I
also
recognize
that
Alberta
innovates
provides
a
lot
of
mentorship
and
and
training,
and
so
that's
absolutely
critical,
especially
for
startups
to
be
able
to
succeed.
So
it's
not
it's
not
the
same
as
another
entity.
I
You
know
having
a
higher
admin.
A
dollar
amount
Minister
regarding
the
gov
lab
AI,
listen,
I,
I
applaud
you
and
the
government
for
for
creating
that
initiative.
I
know
Corey,
Johnson
well,
I
know
Alto
ml
they're
constantly
growing.
They
are
an
incredible
success
story
for
Alberta
and
I.
Think
that
they're
serving
that
that
initiative
is
serving
a
niche,
so
I
know
Ministry
referenced.
3.5
million
I.
I
I
I,
don't
know.
If,
if
you
can
comment
on
have
any
of
the
cohorts
moved
through
yet
do
we
have
any
of
that
data
because
again
I'm
very
interested
to
know
how
many
companies
are
going
through
the
different
and
there's
several
accelerators
that
Albert
innovates
has
stood
up
province-wide
so
how
many
companies
are
going
through
and
then
not
just
that,
but
you
even
mentioned
it
Minister
I
mean
you
know.
I
The
real
numbers
are
around:
how
much
follow-on
investment
are
those
companies
getting
what's
the
track
record
of
of
those
companies
to
scale
once
they
go
through
the
accelerator
I
mean?
Obviously,
we
want
to
see
successes
also
recognizing
in
the
startup
space
that
you
know
there
are
a
lot
of
companies
that
are
going
to
fail,
but
in
the
ecosystem
we
want
them
to
fail
fast.
I
If
they're
going
to
fail
and
you'll
have
serial
entrepreneurs,
you
know
start
up
another
company
and
hopefully
turn
that
into
a
unicorn
and
more
success
stories
for
the
province,
the
the
30
million
to
Amy,
that's
great
news
and-
and
you
said
Minister-
that
flows
through
Alberta
innovates
curious
if
they
have
signed
an
agreement
or
if
they've
committed
to
a
multi-year.
If
they've
done
a
multi-year
commitment
Within
those
agreements,
I
will
talk
a
little
bit
about.
I
Let's
jump
over
to
Albert,
Enterprise,
Corporation
I
know,
Miss
Williams
was
disappointed
that
that
I
had
no
questions
for
them
previously,
and
so
you
know
happy
to
to
hear
a
little
bit
about
aec
and
again,
you
know,
minister,
with
your
approval
would
love
to
hear
from
Miss
Williams
directly.
As
far
as
if
she
can
comment
on
Minister
under
your
government
in
the
first
year,
you
you
recapitalized
AC
by
175
million
I,
know
that
last
year
and
this
year
there
haven't
been
any
new
commitments.
I
I
Their
line
item
I
think
is
around
3.8,
which
is
for
I,
would
imagine
the
administration
of
of
the
funds,
and
so
I'd
love
for
for
Miss,
Williams
I
know
show.
We
briefly
spoke
about
the
the
funding
announcement.
Recently.
Congratulations,
that's
great
news,
but
would
love
to
hear
more
of
the
details
on
on
how
many
Alberta
companies
are
being
invested
in
again,
the
fun
to
fund
model.
That
aec
has
attracts
Venture,
Capital
globally,
which
is
great.
I
But
of
course
we
want
to
see
not
only
the
Venture
Capital
come
to
Alberta
but
stay
in
Alberta
and
get
invested
into
Alberta
companies,
and
so,
if
I
can
hear
some
details
on
that
and
again
you
know
to
to
Ms
Williams
of
the
175
from
three
years
ago.
How
much
of
that
Capital
has
been
deployed
and
for
people
who
don't
know
how
this
works.
I
I
mean
the
government
announces
that
commitment,
but
it
takes
years
for
Albert
Enterprise
Corporation
to
go
out
and
and
get
Venture
Capital
Partners
to
leverage
the
fund,
create
the
fund
and
then
start
to
look
at
at
companies
to
invest
in,
and
so
you
know
it's
my
understanding
that
a
lot
of
the
successes
that
we're
seeing
in
the
ven
cap
was
dollars
that
were
actually
committed
from
five
six
years
ago
because
they
take
years
to
move
through.
I
So
if
we
can
hear
a
little
bit
about
that,
that
would
be
wonderful
and
again,
you
know
maybe
Miss
Williams
can
can
comment
just
on
again
what
what's
the
timeline
of
those
dollars
once
they're
committed
in
a
budget
until
they
get
to
work
in
a
fund
and
then
invest
it
into
companies,
I'm
curious
to
know
how
many
are
there
any
funds
that
are
earmarked
for
specific
sectors
and
out
of
those
again
if
we
can
get
a
breakdown
on
on
Alberta
companies,
fantastic.
I
I
You
know,
I
know
that
the
ministry
plan
explains
that
the
ministry
is
going
to
invest
229
million,
as
you
had
mentioned
Minister.
So
are
we
on
track
to
provide
a
universal
connectivity
by
2627
I,
believe
that
was
a
previous
commitment
that
might
have
been
made
by
yourself
Minister?
This
is
obviously
one
area
that
came
over
with
you
from
from
service
Alberta.
I
Do
you
have
performance
metrics
to
show
that
we're
on
track
so
I
know
you?
You
mentioned
the
dollar
amounts
that
have
gone
into
communities.
Can
you
expand
on?
You
know
what
what
infrastructure
either
has
gone
into
play
and
and
what
are
the
different
types
of
of
actual
services
that
we're
using
so
again
depending
on
the
community
rural
remote
communities,
we're
obviously
not
going
to
pay
companies
to
lay
cable
to
get
all
the
way
to
them.
I
I
So
so,
if
you
can
share
with
us
your
your
plan,
how
are
you
working
with
the
federal
government
to
get
them
to
move
on
this,
because
I
think
we
can
all
agree
that
Universal
Broadband
is
absolutely
critical,
not
only
for
for
the
economy
for
businesses.
Again,
you
look
at
how
many
businesses
operate
online,
but
also
when
we
think
about
rural
remote
communities
having
access
to
post-secondary
access
to
health
care.
I
I
There
are
I
believe,
according
to
your
numbers,
Minister
there's
about
200
000
households
without
access
to
Reliable
internet
again,
if
you
can
touch
on
how
you
intend
to
get
access
to
that
190
000
households
by
2027,
if
you
can
provide
details
around
the
50
projects
that
were
announced
when
they'll
be
completed.
If
you
have
a
number
Minister
on
how
many
households
you
will
you're
anticipating
will
be
connected
by
the
end
of
this
year.
I
That
would
be
wonderful,
something
that
jumped
out
of
me.
Minister
was
page
209
of
the
government
estimates
line
three
on
Capital
grants.
It
shows
a
forecast
from
last
year's
budget,
so
but
last
year's
budget
allocated
150
million
for
Broadband,
yet
only
21
million
went
out
the
door
and
that
was
spent
and
so
I'm
curious
why
it's
taking
so
long
to
get
the
dollars
out
the
door
if
this
was
a
matter
of
of
planning
and
going
to
Tender.
I
Okay
I
appreciate
that.
But
then
why
was
there?
150
million
budgeted
if
only
21
went
out,
so
any
kind
of
clarification
that
you
can
provide
on
that?
That
would
be
great
again
a
breakdown
of
that
that
21
million
a
couple
quick
questions
around
foip.
I
It
comes
up
in
the
business
plan
on
127,
as
well
as
in
service
Alberta.
So
it's
it's
showing
in
two
different
Ministries,
which
I
think
is
interesting.
The
foip
acts
administered
by
yourself,
but
the
part
one
continues
to
be
administered
by
service
Alberta,
so
curious.
Why
the
government
made
the
decision
to
split
this
into
two
separate
Ministries.
Are
we
not
creating
inefficiencies
and
artificial
barriers
by
having
it
live
in
two
different
Ministries
and
I'm
curious?
B
Thank
you
to
Ministry.
You
have
up
to
10.
H
Minutes,
thank
you.
Some
great
questions
in
there
so
I'll
do
my
best,
maybe
quickly
just
working
backwards
on
the
flight
question.
H
So
the
rationale
here,
given
the
technology
and
Innovation
aspect
of
our
ministry,
privacy
and
of
data,
is
core
to
what
we
do
and
protecting
Alberta's
privacy
is
core
to
what
we
do
and
so
that
that
is
the
function
that
we
retain
inside
of
our
ministry
and
actually
my
assistant,
Deputy
Minister
Maureen,
towel
who's
here
with
us
today
leads
that
work,
and
she
led
that
part
when
it
was
inside
of
service
Alberta
before
so.
There
is
still
continuity
in
terms
of
the
team
and
the
leadership
in
the
Strategic
Direction.
H
The
in
terms
of
the
access
and
the
actual
delivery
of
access
requests
it,
that
is,
that
is
still
through
service
Alberta,
so
essentially
think
of
it.
This
way
we're
splitting
the
privacy
policy
element
related
to
foip
that
is
staying
in-house
with
us,
because
we
have
the
broader
responsibility
of
protecting
albertan's
information
security,
your
protection,
all
of
that
kind
of
stuff,
but
in
terms
of
the
service
delivery
aspect
of
Floyd
in
terms
of
responding
to
requests
that
is
still
under
service
Alberta
and
will
continue
to
be
there.
H
So,
while
I
understand
the
members
question
about,
does
this
perhaps
create
more
complexity
than
is
needed?
I
believe
it's
actually
simpler
than
it
may
be
sounded
at
first
glance,
because
it
was
a
very
clean
separation
of
Duties
related
to
Floyd.
So
I
hope
that
that
is
helpful
on
that
front
in
terms
of
broadband.
So,
on
the
the
comment
about
the
150
million
I
believe
that
member
referenced
150
million
allocated
versus
20
million
9
million
out
the
door.
H
So
one
of
the
things
we
said
all
along
is
the
most
important
thing
we
had
to
do
with
the
Broadband
strategy
and
the
Broadband
funding
was
to
send
a
signal
to
the
market
that
we
were
committed
financially
to
these
Investments,
and
that
is
why
we
said
390
million
dollars
over
four
years.
You
can
count
on
this.
You
can
take
it
to
the
bank
so
that
those
counterparts
who
would
actually
be
the
ones
applying
for
supports
to
go
and
actually
build
up.
H
This
infrastructure
could
say:
I
know
it's
going
to
be
there,
and
I
can
actually
invest
some
time
and
energy
into
developing
a
plan,
doing
the
engineering
and
applying
Etc.
Now
we
knew
that
it
would
be
lumpy
because
supply
chain
issues,
access
to
materials,
the
engineering
work
itself
getting
permitting
from
municipalities,
Etc,
there's
a
lot
of
moving
pieces
that
we
don't
control
and
it
should
be
our
job
as
a
government
to
go
and
intervene
and
meddle
in
that.
H
So
we
knew
that
there
may
from
time
to
time,
be
something
that
was
allocated
for
a
certain
year
that
would
carry
forward
into
a
future
year
and
that's
okay.
The
key
thing
is
that
municipalities
in
rural
Alberta
know
that
the
telcos
who
want
to
expand
their
connectivity
infrastructure
in
rural
Alberta
know
that
the
Alberta
Government
has
committed
to
390
million
dollars
over
four
years.
H
If
it
takes
a
little
longer
than
four
years
to
actually
see
those
projects
through
to
fruition,
those
dollars
will
be
there
in
terms
of
whether
or
not
we
are
on
track
this.
It's
a
little
early
to
really
give
a
definitive
answer
on
that.
H
But
what
I
will
try
to
do
to
answer
this
question
for
the
member,
because
it's
a
good
question
is
to
give
a
sense
of
how
are
we
evaluating
this
performance
so
as
as
we
all
know,
in
Alberta,
we
have
a
construction
season
that
is
not
12
months
of
the
year.
This
spring
and
summer
will
be
the
first
Real
Construction
season,
where
dollars
that
have
been
allocated
in
the
first
Toronto
will
actually
get
to
shovels
in
the
ground.
H
So
I
think
what
we
really
need
to
do
is
to
get
through
this
construction
season
and
see
how
much
progress
we
make
by
the
end
of
that
season,
and
then
that
will
put
us
in
a
better
position
to
be
able
to
answer
that
on
a
go
forward
basis,
as
we
continue
through
the
follow-on
years
of
this
funding
commitment
and
the
Broadband
strategy.
But
absolutely
we
will
be
monitoring
that
working
with
each
and
every
one
of
our
partners
who
have
received
funding
commitments
from
us
to
ensure
that
they
are
delivering,
as
promised.
H
What
I
can
say
is
that
one
of
the
biggest
bottlenecks
in
this
right
now
has
been
working
with
the
federal
government.
We
are
very
eager
to
announce
another
block
of
projects.
We
would
call
it
tranche
2
of
our
joint
funding
commitments
and
I'm
really
excited
about
this
one.
It's
a
very
significant
chunk
of
the
funding,
but
the
feds
are
just
not
quite
yet
ready
to
sign
off
on
that
we're
pushing
them
really
hard
every
day,
I
just
texted.
H
H
Here
but
I
do
believe
this
Summer's
gonna
be
an
exciting
summer
for
connectivity
in
our
Alberta
agree
with
the
member
on
the
comments
about
needing
to
have
multiple
different
modalities
and
as
as
a
member
probably
knows
from
the
Broadband
strategy
document
we
released
last
year,
we
explicitly
say
in
there
we
know
there
will
be
a
place
for
fiber.
There
will
be
a
place
for
wireless,
there
will
be
a
place
for
low
earth
orbit.
H
Working
backwards
to
actually
just
a
quick
answer
in
terms
of
the
role
of
post-secondaries
in
their
budgets,
I
think
that
I
I
don't
remember
the
specifics
of
what
the
the
member
had
mentioned,
but
it
had
to
do
with
them
if
they
raised
money
from
other
sources
and
that
had
some
complications.
All
I
can
say
is
that
that's
not
a
part
of
tech
and
Innovations
budget.
H
That
would
be
a
good
question,
so
I
didn't
want
to
leave
that
unaddressed
in
terms
of
aec,
so
absolutely
agree
that
aec
is
a
Crown
Jewel
and
our
the
work
that
has
been
done
in
building
our
Tech
ecosystem
and
I
will
turn
it
over
to
Ms
Williams
here
shortly
to
maybe
address
some
of
their
comments
raised.
I
just
want
to
point
out,
so
there
was
the
175
million
recapitalization,
as
you
mentioned,
which
is
in
budget
2020,
and
that
is
intended
to
be
over
three
years.
H
So
I
think
maybe
there
might
have
just
been
a
misunderstanding
about
that.
It
was
always
an
over
three
year
commitment.
There
wasn't
two
batches
of
175
million
I
think
we
need
to
get
together
that
175
million
see
how
it
performs,
and
then
we
can
revisit
whether
or
not
a
an
additional
recap
makes
sense
in
terms
of
the
administration
costs.
H
The
members
right-
that's
3.8
million,
that's
to
just
cover
the
day-to-day
operations
of
sourcing
prospective
funds
to
partner
with
doing
their
due
diligence
and
then
managing
the
relationship
with
those
funds
and
overseas
oversee
operation
and
performance
and
forward,
and
also
maintaining
and
managing
the
start.
Alberta
portal,
which
I
think
is
a
really
important
tool
for
investors
and
innovators
alike,
and
so
that's
why
I
was
pleased
that
our
budget
includes
a
six
hundred
thousand
dollar
increase
in
the
operating
budget
for
AC.
H
So,
in
terms
of
the
overall
track
record
I
mean
it
speaks
for
itself.
Five
dollars
invested
into
Alberta
companies
for
every
dollar
that
aec
deploys.
That's
a
great
multiplier
effect.
H
Seeing
that
you
know
they
I
believe
in
Ms.
Williams
can
correctly
if
I'm
wrong,
but
I
believe
that
their
investments
into
Venture
funds
have
had
their
hands
in
at
least
a
third
of
the
deals
being
done
in
Alberta,
which
is
really
exciting
and
and
I.
Think
that's
a
big
part
of
why
we
saw
729
million
dollars
of
venture
investment.
Last
year,
a
20
increase
year
over
year,
no
30
increase
year
over
year.
At
a
time
when
the
Canadian
Venture
Investments
had
declined
by
20.
H
We've
also
seen
a
significant
increase
in
the
number
of
deals
and
the
size
of
each
deal,
while
the
Canadian
metrics
on
those
fronts
has
been
on
the
decline.
So
sorry
I
have
that
backwards.
I'll
correct
myself.
It
was
20
increase
year
over
year
in
values,
while
the
Canadian
Market
was
on
the
decline
by
30,
so
just
correcting
that,
but
with
that
in
mind,
I
think
I'll,
maybe
turn
it
over
to
Miss
Williams.
H
Actually,
you
know
what
we
have
30
seconds
left
I
will
come
back
to
Miss
Williams
after
so
she
has
a
little
bit
more
time.
I'll
touch
up
briefly
on
govlab.ai.
Yes,
it
is
a
multi-year
commitment
that
it
was
a
total
five-year
commitment
overall,
so
the
current
period
and
then
so
there
there
was
a
commitment
last
year
and
then
there's
the
current
period
and
then
there's
three
more
so
this.
H
B
I
Thank
you
very
much.
Oh
so
I
think
what's
going
to
happen,
is
I'll
use
my
10
minutes
and
then
it
jumps
to
the
independent
member.
So
the
minister
and
his
team
won't
be
able
to
respond
for
a
while,
okay,
all
right
well,
hopefully,
Minister
and
your
team
will
we'll
be
able
to
come
back.
This
and
I
appreciate
your
responses.
I
I
am
interested
in
in
hearing
from
Miss
Williams.
I
So
thank
you
for
giving
her
the
opportunity
to
to
talk
a
bit
about
what
she's
doing
and
I'd
also
like
to
hear
from
her
on
on
the
forward-looking.
So
again
you
know
of
that
initial
175.
If
she
can
comment
on
how
much
has
been
allocated
already
again,
I
get.
You
know
it
takes
time
to
for
the
money
to
to
go
from
a
commitment
from
government
to
an
actual
allocation
to
a
fund
and
then
an
investment
into
an
Alberta
company.
I
But
if,
if
Ms
Williams
can
comment
to
help
albertans
understand
the
process
of
what
her
team
does
just
to
comment
on
the
the
Broadband
I
mean
I
appreciate
everything.
You've
said:
Minister
it
it.
It
sounds
like
we're
moving
a
little
slower
for
for
valid
Reasons
I'm,
not
criticizing
you
on
that,
but
I
think
it
might
be
challenging
for
us
to
hit
the
target
of
2627.
I
I
mean
I,
appreciate
that
this
year
there
should
be
quite
a
bit
of
of
construction,
but
it
sounds
like
we're
a
little
bit
behind
of
the
dollars.
If
you
could
comment
on
how
much
the
feds
have
committed
of
their
buckets
of
their
their
Federal
bucket,
how
much
did
Alberta
secure
I
remember
years
ago,
Alberta
was
further
ahead
than
most
other
provinces
when
it
comes
to
the
number
of
of
people
that
have
access
to
broadband,
which
is
wonderful
news
for
our
Province.
I
However,
it
actually
worked
against
us
federally,
because
the
feds
prioritized
other
jurisdictions
that
weren't
that
didn't
have.
As
many
you
know,
percentage
of
the
population
connected
so
I'm,
hoping
that
they
will
make
sure
that
Alberta
gets
its
fair
share.
I
want
to
or
I'd
like
to
talk
a
little
bit
about
intellectual
property,
I
I
know
you.
You
mentioned
that
Minister
I
think
IP
is
absolutely
critical.
I
I
know
that
there
is
still
a
challenge
with
our
post-secondaries.
There
are
different
IP
agreements
that
exist
at
the
different
post-secondaries
I
remember
five
years
ago,
the
University
of
Calgary
championing
that
they're
much
further
ahead
than
the
other
post-secondaries
in
Alberta,
and
that
might
have
been
the
case.
However,
the
challenge
is
still
that
I,
don't
think
Alberta.
When
we
look
at
the
incredible
research,
that's
going
on
in
our
institutions
that
we
are
commercializing
at
a
level
that
we
we
should
be.
I
If
we
look
at
you
know,
on
a
competitive
basis
elsewhere
and
I
know
it's
a
complicated
matter.
I'm
not
trying
to
to
make
it
sound
like
Minister,
you
or
your
team
or
another
Minister
can
wave
a
wand
and
they'll
fix
the
problem.
I'm
just
curious
to
hear
you
know
what
what
work
that
you
were
doing
cross
ministry
again,
challenge
with
government,
it's
so
big,
it's
so
siled!
But
if
we
want
to
get
you
know
Alberta
to
a
place
where
our
IP
is
actually
a
facilitator
of
commercializing
research.
I
Then
then
we
need
to
work
with
the
ministry
of
post-secondary
and
other
Ministries
to
get
that
over
the
Finish
Line.
So
I
know
that
you
had
talked
about
the
framework
of
just
curious.
How
much
is
is
Dollar
Wise
being
invested,
but
what's
the
progress
like
and
what
do
you
anticipating
to
get
us
there?
Another
issue
that
I'm
sure
you're
very
live
to
minister
is
is
the
fact
that
we've
got
a
real
challenge
right
now
in
Alberta,
with
our
tech
companies
being
able
to
use
the
term
software
engineer.
I
You
know,
I
have
sat
down
with
with
the
industry.
I
know
that
a
Pega
currently
has
a
monopoly
on
the
use
of
the
term
software
engineer.
They
have
not
reached
an
agreement
with
companies
like
Jabra.
In
fact
they
actually
took
Java
to
court
over
this,
which
I
think
could
have
a
chilling
effect
on
our
Tech
ecosystem
and
so
just
curious
Minister.
If,
if
you've
had
conversations
with
them,
where
are
we
at
on
this?
Can
we
get
to
a
resolution?
I
You
know
and
again
for
albertans?
Who
may
not
be
aware
here
in
the
province
of
Alberta?
Only
Professional
Engineers
can
use
the
term
engineer,
and
so
this
puts
Alberta
at
a
disadvantage
when,
when
companies
are
looking
for
talent
that
we
cannot
advertise
using
the
term
software
engineer,
which
of
course
is
the
term
that
is
used
globally
and
so
I
appreciate
organizations
like
a
Pega
want
the
industry
to
use
a
different
term.
However,
we're
gonna
miss
out
on
on
recruitment
strategies
with
that
Minister
I'd,
also
like
a
bit
of
an
update.
I
If
you
could,
on
the
the
additional
spaces
again,
I
appreciate
its
post-secondary
in
our
term.
In
government
we
announced
4
000
new
tech
spaces
recognizing
we
need
to
grow
the
talent
pipeline.
If
we
want
to
have
the
the
talent
here
in
Alberta
to
be
able
to
support
the
growth
for
companies,
it
was
disappointing
to
see
that
that
the
government
in
2019
canceled
that
program
for
the
very
fact
that
had
that
not
been
canceled,
there
would
be
graduates
from
that
four
thousand
spaces
that
were
committed
back
in
in
2018..
I
Now,
I
appreciate
the
fact
that
this
government
did
announce
and
commit
to
7
000
spaces.
I
know
that
that
lives
in
post-secondary,
but
I'm
hoping
Minister,
because
this
is
is
also
your
file.
The
grads
that
you're
able
to
comment
on
where
we're
at
in
that
initiative,
how
many
spaces
are
actually
how
many
seats
are
being
used.
I
How
much
time
do
I
have
three
and
a
half
minutes
and
let's
see
I
might
actually
if
I
can
chair
share
some
of
my
time
with
the
minister
so
that
the
minister
can
respond
to
some
of
these
questions,
so
we
don't
have
to
wait
45
minutes
to
hear
back
so
I'm
also
curious
just.
Lastly,
when
we
talk
about
workers
in
in
Alberta,
you
know.
Yes,
we
have
some
good
news
stories.
We
also
have
have
taken
a
few
hits.
I
Of
course,
Google
deepmind
leaving
Edmonton
closing
up
their
shop
I
recognize
that
globally
that
companies
are
consolidating,
but
when
I
look
at
deepmind
Edmonton
was
the
first
jurisdiction
outside
of
the
UK
deepmind
have
has
labs
in
in
Toronto
and
in
Montreal
those
labs
did
not
close.
The
Edmonton
one
did,
which
is
disappointing.
I
I
appreciate
that
that
you
know
our
ecosystem
is
not
dependent
on
one
single
company,
but
we
could
lose
some
of
the
talent
that
could
move
to
to
one
of
the
other
ones.
So
I'm
just
curious.
I
Does
the
the
the
budget
I
mean?
Are
we
looking
at
recruitment
or
retention
and
how
to
support
that?
I
You
know:
what's
Are
there
specific
initiatives
Minister,
that
you
were
doing
to
ensure
that
that
companies
are
not
leaving
Alberta
and
are
are
growing
here.
I
mean
again
I
appreciate
you
don't
decide
whether
a
company
stays
in
Alberta
or
shuts
its
doors,
but
if
you
can
just
speak
to
what
you're
doing
to
to
try
to
keep
them
here
and
with
that,
I
will
turn
it
to
the
minister.
If
I
can
Mr
chair
to
respond
in.
H
Respond
great
so
just
on
the
Google
Deep
Mind
story.
Of
course
it's
disappointing
to
see
a
story
like
that.
However,
I
will
point
out
that
I
believe
there's
a
silver
line
here
because,
as
as
a
member
already
pointed
out,
there's
an
enormous
need
for
talent,
Talent
and
the
fact
is
every
single
one
of
those
bright
folks
that
were
working
at
deepmind.
If
they
want
to
stay
in
Alberta,
they
absolutely
can
and
there
will
be
a
place
for
them
at
many.
H
Many
different,
exciting
Tech
companies
that
are
doing
very
exciting
things
in
the
AI
and
machine
learning,
space
and
I.
Think
most
of
the
Tech
Community
in
Alberta
is
salivating
over
those
folks.
So
I
think
what
we
will
likely
see
is
still
being
here.
The
fact
is,
Alberta's
Tech
sector
is
on
fire,
there's
enormous
opportunity
here.
The
fact
is:
Google
made
a
decision.
H
They
had
a
larger
footprint
in
other
parts
of
the
country
and
Google
deepmind
was
the
smallest
operation
they
had
in
Canada,
so
they
chose
to
consolidate
it
somewhere
else
unfortunate,
but
I
believe
that
Alberta
companies
will
benefit
from
it
in
terms
of
the
secondary
side.
You
know
look
agree
with
the
fact
that
we
need
more
Talent.
H
I.
Think
that's
going
to
be
a
game.
Changer!
There's
a
couple
of
other
good
questions.
I've
noted
them
in
my
notes,
so
I
will
make
sure
to
make
an
effort
to
get
back
to
those
in
our
next.
B
J
Okay,
thank
you
Mr
chair,
and
thank
you
to
the
minister
and
your
staff
for
all
the
work
you
do
for
Cypress
Medicine
Hat
in
Alberta.
It's
appreciate
it.
Thank
you.
I
have
seven
questions,
so
I
will
outline
them
in
my
10
minutes.
J
J
Okay,
I
I
heard
the
earlier
answer
about
why
it
was
slow
to
get
out
and
I
appreciate
that
The
Upfront
commitment
and
the
message
of
of
a
390
million
dollar
commitment
was
was
important,
but
I
am
wondering
a
couple
things.
First
of
all,
Minister.
J
How
does
this
level
of
broadband
Investments
compare
to
what
other
jurisdictions
are
doing
that
we
compete
with
and
then
that
provide
services
to
their
businesses
and
their
residents
and
I'm
wondering
your
Ministry
have
a
a
focus
or
or
a
plan
on
partnering
with
pride,
the
private
sector
and
in
in
those
areas,
especially
when
it
comes
to
adding
adding
fiber
I
know.
One
of
the
bottlenecks
in
medicine
had
from
time
to
time
is
some
of
our
areas
that
don't
have
the
necessity
for
fiber
and
broadband,
and
what
do
we
do
with
our
older
areas?
J
And
what
do
we
do
with
our
brand
new
development
areas?
Does
your
ministry
have
a
plan
to
really
leverage
this
for
the
for
the
benefit
of
albertans
and
then
in
conjunction
with
that,
on
your
your
business
plan
on
your
mandate
and
structure
in
addition
and
I'm
reading?
In
addition,
the
ministry
will
explore
options
to
address
cellular
phone
coverage
across
Alberta's
major
highways
explore
options.
J
I
I
appreciate
some
clarification
on
that
I'm
wondering
what
percentage
of
of
rural
albertans
in
particular
still
don't,
have
good
connectivity,
good,
good
cellular
phone
access,
I,
think
of
Highway
41
from
basically
elkwater
South
to
the
American
border,
which
can
be
a
huge
trade
route
at
time
in
the
wild
horse
border
crossing
virtually
impossible
to
use
your
cell
phone
in
that
area.
What
a
safety
hazard!
That
is,
what
a
what
a
liability
that
is
for
growing
our
our
Commerce
in
that
area
and
the
explore
options.
J
Please,
let's
not
forget
that
albertans
and
Canadians
pay,
probably
the
highest
cellular
phone
fees
in
the
entire
world.
I
would
hope
any
expiration
of
that
would
encourage
some
competitiveness
and
some
some
fair
pricing
for
for
albertans.
So
thank
you
for
that
question
number
two.
J
J
If
you've
mentioned
you
have
7.5
million
allocated
to
the
implementation
of
the
data
strategy
again,
I
would
sure
appreciate
some
clarification
on
that
because,
because,
what's
here
doesn't
doesn't
say
very
very
much,
but
how
do
you?
How
do
you
guarantee?
How
are
you
going
to
ensure
that
you're
going
to
keep
data
private
for
all
albertans
and
what
are
the
costs
associated
with
that
and
you
know,
are
we
what's
the
goal?
What's
what's
the
plan
for
your
data
strategy?
J
J
How
many
malware
infections
were
not
prevented
and,
and
my
goodness
it's
it's
pretty
scary
world
right
now,
when
you
hear
about
blackmail
and
and
people
and
companies
and
governments
paying
huge
amounts
of
money
to
protect
data
and
private
information,
that's
been
hijacked
as
the
Alberta
Government,
but
subject
to
that,
what
do
you
do?
What
is
your
department
doing
to
make
sure
that
we
are
protected
and
and
it
it's
obviously
a
scary
thing
and
and
a
big
big
job?
So
I'd
like
to
hear
something
about
that
question
four.
J
On
page,
131
of
your
business
plan
outcome
three
under
your
key
objective
3.1.
It
mentions
that
ensuring
that
Alberta
is
the
destination
of
choice
for
innovators,
entrepreneurs
and
investors,
and
then
you
have
a
performance
measure.
Cumulative
value
of
Alberta,
Enterprise
Corporation
attracted
Venture
Capital
funds
and
Syndicate
Partners
invested
in
Alberta.
Businesses
represent
all
new
business
investment
of
Alberta.
So
so
does
that
represent
all
new
investment
or
just
that's
just
that's
highly
focused
on
on
on
technology
and
Innovation.
J
Are
you
satisfied
with
with
that
number
and
how
does
it
compare
to
to
other
jurisdictions
and
do
you
have
any
numbers,
Mr
Minister,
on
how
much
we're
spending
to
bring
in
the
new
investment
and
what
what
total
amount
of
money
was
brought
in
by
the
new
investment
I
I
recall
you
mentioning
a
few
minutes
ago
about
for
every
dollar
invested.
J
You
thought
you
had
had
a
five
dollar
return
is
that
is
that
broad
across
the
across
all
all
the
work
that
you're
doing
or
has
there
been
some
some
successes
and
some
failures?
I'm
also
wondering
do
you
know
how
many
new
investment
deals
were
made
by
the
International
Community
are
out
of
Province
companies.
J
Alberta's
got
this
network
of
international
and
and
National
offices.
You
know
here
and
there
and-
and
you
know
and
I'll
be
frank
in
11
years
that
I've
been
here,
I
haven't
heard
a
whole
bunch
about
about
how
effective
these
agencies
are.
J
I
I,
I
I,
wonder:
have
you
been
able
to
lever
these
offices
around
the
world
and
across
Canada,
especially
when
it
comes
to
to
technology
and
new
Investments
that
are
are
on
the
on
the
Cutting,
Edge
and
I'm
a
little
bit
concerned
about
your
13.8
percent
increase
in
your
budget?
That
is
way
past
population
growth
for
Alberta
and-
and
you
know,
there's
cabinet
is
Big.
There's
a
lot
of
new
new
Ministries
and
I
know
that
some
of
the
other
Ministries
are
kind
of
interconnected.
J
With
technology
and
Innovation
like
I'm
wondering
you
know,
jobs,
economy
and
Northern
development
is
is
some
of
the
things
that
were
your
responsibility
last
budget?
Are
they
now
under
jobs,
economy
in
Northern
development
or
other
Ministries
like
I'm?
Looking
for
an
example,
I'm
looking
for
invest,
Alberta
I
see
last
year,
25
million
dollars
were
spent,
and
now
it's
not
here
at
all
was
that
was
that
not
effective
was
that
is
that
somewhere
else
is
that
in
a
different
number?
Is
that
a
different
Ministry?
J
You
know
what
again
a
13.8
percent
increase
in
your
budget
at
a
time
that
government
spending
is
very,
very
inflationary.
At
the
time
that
you
know
the
average
Alberta
family
is
having
huge
trouble,
you
know
grocery
store
and
and
purchasing
things
I
think
it's
more
crucial
and
important
than
ever
to
make
sure
that
we
get
value
for
for
the
money.
That's
being
spent.
J
So
I'd
like
to
I'd
like
to
hear
something
from
you
about
about
about
the
target,
efficiency
and
and
the
effectiveness
question
number
six
I
want
to
talk
a
bit
about
Angel
Investing
I
met
a
young
entrepreneur
in
San
Francisco
area
a
couple
years
ago.
J
Amazing
the
stories
he
had
about
the
number
of
Angel
Investors
that
would
invest
around
a
hundred
thousand
dollars
at
different
ideas
that
they
got
off
the
ground
and
and
his
MLA
bill
has
said.
You
know
there
were
some
unicorns
in
there.
J
There
was
there
were
some
that
didn't
work
out,
but
but
there
was
a
lot
of
things
happening
fast
and
and
how
accurate
this
I
don't
know,
but
I
also
at
the
same
time
read
an
article
that
there
was
230
000
Canadians
in
Silicon
Valley
in
that
same
area,
so
I'm
thinking,
my
goodness,
maybe
maybe
as
Canadians
doing
the
age,
only
investing
down
there
or
certainly
a
big
percentage
of
it.
So
so
I'm
wondering
what
your
ministry
is
doing
to
you
know
to
promote
that
to
maybe
just
get
out
of
the
way.
J
So
so
business
can
flourish,
but
but
sometimes
it's
an
awareness
thing
so
I'd
like
to
hear
hear
what
you're
doing
to
promote
Angel,
Investing
and
and
the
private
private
sector
back
to
page
127.
My
last
question
number
seven
on
your
ministry
fact
sheet.
Your
mandate
and
structure
ministry
will
continue
to
respect
and
protect
the
privacy
of
Alberta's
personal
information
and
will
share.
The
government
is
transparent
through
Floyd
freedom,
information
and
protection
of
privacy
and
the
personal
information
protection
act.
J
I
think
your
your
earlier
answer
to
MLA
billis
suggested
that
your
role
was
more
oversight
and
service.
Alberta
was
more
of
the
actual
process
in
the
nuts
and
the
bolts,
but
Minister
grubis
I
want
to
be
honest.
Most
albertans
think
the
foib
system
is
totally
broken.
It
takes
forever
to
get
an
answer
out
of
government
when
it
comes
back,
the
vast
majority
is
redacted
or
so
much
is
redacted.
It's
unexplainable.
What
are
your
thoughts
on
making
the
process
better?
Thank
you.
Thank.
H
Okay,
well,
let's
try
and
get
through
each
of
these
first
on
the
Broadband
side.
In
terms
of
how
we
compare
to
other
jurisdictions,
I
can
see.
H
So
one
one
thing
I
will
highlight
is
just
because
I
think
the
member
had
highlighted
some
historical
investment
in
historical
Trends
at
the
roughly
a
billion
dollars
that
Alberta
spent
on
the
Alberta
supernet
back
in
the
day,
which
is
a
fiber
backbone
that
connected
hundreds
of
municipalities,
thousands
of
public
libraries,
hospitals,
universities
at
schools,
municipal
buildings-
and
that
is
a
background
that
has
you
know
in
some
cases
been
able
to
be
leveraged
to
delivering
the
service
to
to
your
actual
residents
as
well.
H
So
so
there's
that's
some
of
the
history
and
then,
of
course,
our
390
million
dollar
commitment
is,
is
the
next
stage
and
and
as.
H
Absolutely,
as
we
are
partnering
with
private
sector
Partners
we're
not
looking
to
build
this
ourselves,
and
you
know
what
we've
done
is:
we've
created
a
framework
by
partnering
with
the
federal
government
so
that
private
sector,
Partners
or
Prospect
or
private
sector
Partners
can
come
and
say
we
have
a
project.
We
believe
it's
a
good
project,
here's
all
of
the
details
on
the
project.
H
We
would
like
to
request
funding,
and
then
we
work
together
with
our
partners
at
the
federal
government
to
determine
which
are
the
best
value
projects
that
will
give
the
best
results
for
albertans
and
those
are
the
ones
that
will
be
prioritized
for
funding
so
out.
You
know
the
answer
short
answer
is
yes,
we
are
partnering
with
private
sector
Partners.
There
is
no
one-size-fits-all
strategy
so,
like
we
can't
just
say,
there's
only
one
way
to
do
this,
so
in
some
cases
it
might
be
a
municipality
leading
the
project.
H
H
Menu
there
are
hundreds
and
hundreds
of
applications
that
were
that
were
in
terms
of
the
cell
coverage.
You
know,
look
the
key
thing
here.
I
think
that
we
need
to
point
out
is
that
telecommunications
is
federally
regulated,
so
there
are
very
little
policy
levers
that
we
have
to
to
address
this,
but
that
said,
you
know
the
premier
acknowledged
that
there
are
certain
s
that
certainly
have
poorer
coverage,
and
so
she
asked
me
to
look
into.
H
Are
there
key
areas
like
major
highways,
where
there's
poor
coverage
today
that
maybe
we
need
to
look
at
doing
something,
and
so
over
the
next
period
here
I'm
looking
forward
to
doing
that,
work
for
her
and
Reporting
back
to
you
know
what
we
see
as
being
smart
in
terms
of
the
digital
ID
and
privacy
and
safety,
and
just
tying
into
the
data
strategy.
Question
I
want
to
assure
the
member
and
all
albertans
that
privacy
is
the
Cornerstone
of
everything.
H
We
will
do
first
and
most
important
piece
to
anything
we
do,
but
we
do
live
in
a
digital
world
and
all
of
our
systems,
whether
it
be
our
systems
in
government
or
the
systems
that
our
banks
use
or
the
systems
that
the
companies
we
interact
with
on
a
day-to-day
basis.
They
all
have
a
digital
element
to
them.
Computers
have
been
around
for
50
years,
they're,
not
going
anywhere.
H
So
what
are
the
best
practices
around
the
world?
But
right
now
in
any
of
our
privacy
legislation
predates
the
internet,
so
it
never
even
contemplated
the
kinds
of
tools
and
technologies
that
are
out
there.
Today,
so
that's
a
big
part
of
what
we
need
to
be
contemplating
as
we
look
to
prepare
for
the
next
20
years.
H
How
do
we
ensure
that
the
the
policy
tools
we
have
to
protect
albertans
are
designed
with
the
modern
world
in
mind,
and
that
is
part
of
what
the
work
in
the
data
strategy
is
for
in
terms
of
malware
infections,
I'm
pleased
to
say
that
no
infections
went
unprevented,
so
we
had
100
success
rate.
All
malware
was
blocked
in
terms
of
next
question
destination
of
choice
for
investors.
H
It's
and
some
of
the
comments
that
the
member
raised
there
and
he
mentioned
the
five
to
one
multiplier
that
we
talked
about
earlier
I,
so
I'm
pleased
to
say
that
that
is
specific
to
Alberta,
Enterprise
Corporation.
So
for
every
dollar
that
Alberta
Enterprise
Corporation
invests
in
a
venture
fund.
Five
dollars
gets
invested
by
those
funds
into
Alberta
companies.
The
government
of
Alberta
does
not
spend
money
to
attract
that
investment.
H
That
is
purely
through
the
the
strong
performance
of
Miss
Williams
and
her
team
of
doing
good
homework
on
selecting
good
private
sector,
Venture
Partners,
investing
in
them
as
a
part
of
their
broader
fundraising
rounds
and
ensuring
that
they
all
have
an
office
and
a
presence
in
Alberta,
so
that
they
will
always
be
looking
at
Alberta
deals
in
addition
to
the
other
corners
of
the
country
and
the
continent
that
they
operate
in
and
as
a
result,
they
have
invested
five
dollars
for
every
dollar
invested
by
aec
Intel
order
companies.
H
It's
a
great
success
metric
and
we'll
continue
to
monitor
that.
But
I.
You
know,
given
the
length
of
time
that
aec's
been
operating,
I'm,
confident
that
they
will
be
able
to
continue
strong
performance
performance.
In
terms
of
the
comment
about
the
13.8
percent
increase
in
our
budget,
I
think
the
key
thing
here
is
well
there's
a
couple
things
I'd
like
to
point
out.
H
First
of
all,
when
you're
talking
about
time
spending
to
population
growth
and
inflation,
you
gotta
ask
yourself:
what's
the
right
Baseline
and
when
we
looked
at
the
fact
that
so
many
of
our
technology
systems
were
34
or
40
years
old,
they're
extremely
out
of
date
and
enable
unable
to
scale
with
the
demands
of
a
growing
Province.
H
This
was
an
area
that
required
a
bit
of
a
right
sizing
in
its
budget
and
so
I'm
I'm,
confident
that
this
is
a
responsible
use
of
taxpayer
dollars
and
the
other
thing
that
I
will
point
out
is
that
the
things
that
we
invest
in
and
build
on
in
terms
of
the
technology
backbone
of
government?
These
are
going
to
save
other
departments
money.
Some
of
the
Investments
we
made
in
the
justice
department,
for
example,
made
a
quarter
Queen's
bench
clerks,
50
percent,
more
productive
by
eliminating
all
requirements
to
file
things
on
paper.
H
So
that
means
for
every
staff
that
we
are
already
paying
for
it.
They
can
do
almost
twice
as
much
work
and
that
is
going
to
help
them
to
deliver
better
services
for
fewer
dollars
and
chewing
through
bottlenecks
in
Service
delivery.
That's
just
one
example
of
many,
so
the
fact
is,
even
though
our
budget
has
gone
up
by
a
level
that
is
higher
than
inflation
of
population
growth.
H
We
are
going
to
help
equip
all
government
departments
to
keep
their
spending
in
line,
and
that
is
going
to
be
good
news
for
all
of
Burtons
and
good
news
for
folks
who
are
fiscally
conservative
in
their
values.
In
terms
of
some
of
the
other
comments
that
the
member
had
has
questions,
for
example,
on,
invest,
Alberta
or
other
things,
so
I'll
just
point
out.
We
inherited
The
Innovation
piece
from
the
former
jei
Ministry.
The
rest
I
believe
is
in
with
jobs,
economy
and
Northern
development,
so
invest.
H
Albert
is
not
a
part
of
our
budget
in
terms
of
Angel
investment,
absolutely
agree.
There's
a
there's.
An
important
role
for
Angel
Investors
I
mean
I.
Myself
was
an
angel
investor
I
personally
invested
in
lots
of
tech
companies.
Alongside
of
the
Venture
fund,
that
I
helped
to
manage
and
I
know
many
folks
in
my
personal
life
that
are
Angel,
Investors
who've
been
investing
in
technology
for
30
years.
It's
a
great
asset
class.
H
If
you
know
what
you're
doing
and
so
I
think,
the
key
thing
here
is
the
work
that
we
are
doing
by
supporting
and
partnering
with
organizations
like
platform,
Calgary
and
innovate,
Edmonton
or
Edmonton
unlimited
and
some
of
the
other
different
Tech
ecosystem
institutions
that
are
there
to
provide
support
to
entrepreneurs,
but
also
to
investors.
H
My
goal
is
to
try
and
help
get
interested
folks
who
might
want
to
be
an
angel
connected
to
that
ecosystem,
ensuring
that
they
have
more
opportunity
to
get
plugged
in
and
meeting
entrepreneurs,
meeting
mentors
meeting,
investors
and
learning
about
the
process
of
how
do
you
evaluate
a
technology
investment?
How
do
you
do
that
differently
than
evaluating
a
traditional
cash
flowing
business?
H
In
fact,
testing
in
construction
or
investing
in
oil
and
gas
is
very
different
in
terms
of
how
you
evaluate
an
investment
compared
to
investing
in
technology
and
so
helping
to
equip
albertanswith
the
tools
to
make
good
decisions
in
that
space.
H
I
think
will,
over
time,
encourage
more
folks
to
get
involved
as
Angel
Investors,
but
to
do
so
in
a
way
that
will
make
them
successful
because
if
they
lose
their
money
in
a
tech,
investment
they'll
never
invest
in
Tech
again,
but
if
they
make
money,
they'll
be
addicted
to
investing
in
tech
for
the
rest
of
their
lives.
I
can
speak
from
personal
experience
in
terms
of
the
privacy
and
the
flight
question.
H
I
can
say
we're
responsible
for
like
the
legislation
that
governs
the
rules,
but
service
number
is
responsible
for
the
delivery
of
information
requests.
H
So
any
comments
or
questions
about
that
performance,
I
think,
would
be
well
directed
to
the
minister
of
service
opportunity,
production
I,
hope.
That's.
B
F
F
Okay,
thank
you
Minister,
thank
you
for
being
here
I'm
talking
fast,
because
time's
limited,
of
course,
so
technology
and
Innovation
that
there's
the
upcoming
year
has
an
artificial
intelligence
lab
Grant
I
know.
Un
MLA
bill
has
talked
to
some
about
this
3.4
million
for
the
next
four
years
to
support
operational
research
activities,
including
Alta
ml,
is
as
you
you
two
mentioned
earlier.
So
the
initiative
is
supposed
to
Foster
stronger
Partnerships
between
the
public
and
private
sector,
which
will
lead
to
economic
Prosperity.
F
With
this
in
mind,
I'd
like
to
ask
the
minister
of
Technology
about
the
activities
and
results
of
this
partnership.
Can
the
minister
provide
more
information
about
the
work
supported
through
this
grant,
how
it
benefits
albertans,
why
they
should
be
happy
about
it.
Now
briefly,
the
one
of
the
core
tenets
of
Alberta's
principles
was
The
Innovation
System
integration
on
line
2.2,
that's
being
reduced
from
128
million
to
under
60
million
this
year.
F
Can
you
let
us
know
a
little
bit
about
what
that
entails,
how
the
cost
savings
were
achieved
and
what
costs
will
fall
into
future
years
and
finally,
on
the
privacy
issue,
which
you
always
discussed
with
some
of
my
other
colleagues
across
the
way?
It's
the
it's
increasing
in
budget
from
27.5
million
to
32.6
million.
That's
on
line
2.1
of
government
estimates.
F
Can
you
explain
how
the
funds
will
be
used
and
what
improvements
albertans
will
be
expect
to
see
because
we,
as
we
all
know,
important
privacy,
is
important
to
albertans,
particularly
seniors,
but
certainly
all
albertans
and
now
I'll
pass
the
puck
to
MLA
Walker.
C
So
much
MLA,
McIver
and
chair,
it's
great
to
be
here,
minister,
great
to
see
you
and
your
officials
here,
I'll
just
get
right
into
my
question
and
then
seed
my
time
to
MLA
Roswell
in
this
in
this
segment.
Well,
Minister
as
the
MLA
for
Sherwood
Park
I
believe
that
investing
in
new
technologies
and
digital
Solutions
is
crucial
to
create
better
services
for
albertans.
C
C
Well,
let
me
tell
you
technology
isn't
just
about
having
the
latest
greatest
gadgets.
I
know.
You
know
that
Minister,
it's
all
about
finding
innovative
solutions
to
the
challenges
we
face
in
improving
the
lives
of
albertans
and,
if
you're
not
still
convinced
just
remember.
Without
technology
we
wouldn't
have
things
like
Wi-Fi
smartphones,
even
drive
through
Tim
Hortons
I
was
just
in
Japan
in
January.
It
was
great.
Such
a
tech,
futuristic,
place
and
I
know
we're.
C
Well
too,
we're
leaders
like
Japan
is
on
technology
love
the
bullet
trains,
so
it
is
great
to
see
the
government
embrace
the
power
of
technology
and
Innovation
and
continue
to
move
Alberta
forward
through
technology.
I
am
eager
Minister
to
hear
how
the
40
million
dollars
from
the
digital
accelerator
program
will
help
Alberta
modernize
government
systems
and
create
more
convenient
services
for
albertans.
Thank
you
and
Cheryl
seed,
my
time
to
MLA
Roswell.
Thank
you
very.
D
Much
I'm
excited
to
speak
about
the
investment
of
the
amazing
technology
and
innovation
in
our
Province,
through
the
administration
of
technology
and
Innovation
Alberta's
home
to
some
of
the
most
Innovative
companies
and
Brilliant
mines
in
Canada,
and
it's
crucial
that
our
government
continues
to
support
their
growth
and
development.
One
of
the
key
ways
the
government
is
doing.
This
is
through
Alberta
innovates.
This
organization
plays
a
crucial
role
in
driving,
Innovation
and
commercialization
in
Alberta
and
I'm
pleased
to
see
that
the
2324
budget
includes
over
180
million
dollars
in
funding.
D
Almost
a
20
million
dollar
increase
from
the
previous
year's
budget
and
I'll
just
like
to
highlight
a
few
things
in
in
my
own
constituency
of
Vermilion
Lloydminster
Wainwright,
of
course,
where
we
deal
lots
of
oil,
but
also
a
big
big
agricultural
area
and
the
technology.
That's
that's
involved
in
agriculture
with
Precision
Agriculture
and
all
that
type
stuff
is
just
amazing,
and
you
know
land
mapping,
so
you
can
get
variable
rate.
Fertilizer
application
is
one
example.
Another
is
spraying
technology
where,
if
you
overlap
a
nozzle
shuts
off,
you
know
it's.
It's
amazing.
D
What's
happening
there
and
someone's
even
coming
to
where
it'll
only
spray
where
it
identifies
a
weed
so
so
they're
doing
just
great
work
in
in
agriculture
and
Lakeland
College
to
capitalize
on
that
have
started
a
crop,
Technology
Program
and
the
seats
were
were
filled
right
away.
So
it's
been
a
it's.
It's
doubling
down
on
itself,
doing
a
great
job,
one
of
the
graduates
of
Lakeland
College.
D
Actually,
he
developed
a
company
called
Peregrine
glove
which
which
was
originally
designed
to
play
games,
so
they
wear
a
glove
and
they
touch
their
fingers
to
manipulate
the
the
the
screen.
But
that's
evolved
now
into
a
training
module
where
they
they
put
on
the
virtual
glasses.
They
do
the
software
to
build
an
engine,
and
you
can
practice
working
on
an
engine
and
I
went
and
tried
it
I
stuck
my
head
right
inside
the
engine
to
look
at
the
valves
and
everything
else.
It's
just
amazing
amazing
work.
D
Now,
let's
talk
about
the
funding
increase,
it's
like
getting
a
raise
at
work,
but
on
a
much
larger
scale.
With
this
additional
funding,
Alberta
innovates
will
be
able
to
invest
in
even
more
Innovative
projects
and
for
growth
of
our
technology
and
Innovative
Innovation
sectors.
I
think
we
can
all
agree
that
this
is
exciting
time
for
Alberta
or
for
our
Province
and
I'm
grateful
for
the
government's
continued
commitment
to
supporting
the
growth
and
development
of
our
technology
and
Innovation
sectors
through
investments
in
organizations
like
Alberta
and
innovates.
G
Thank
you,
so
much
I
will
be
brief
as
well
mine.
The
time
is
of
the
SN
size
talk
about
cyber
security.
Certainly
we
hear
a
lot
of
conversations
in
our
world
these
days
about
the
need
for
cyber
security,
whether
it
be
in
relation
to
the
invasion
in
Ukraine
or
other
governments
across
North
America
Banning
platforms
like
Tick
Tock
from
government
devices,
or
even
you
know,
conversations
about
sharing
Healthcare
data.
I
think
albertans
are
increasingly
concerned
about
cyber
security,
ensuring
that
their
data
is
protected.
G
So
I'm
just
looking
at
line
five
of
your
government
estimates,
it
shows
that
the
funding
for
cyber
security
is
increasing
by
nearly
50
percent,
which
is
quite
significant
from
8.8
million
to
12.7
million
this
year.
So
I'm
just
wondering
if
you
can
discuss
how
that
current
cyber
security
budget
is
allocated
and
what
those
increases
will
be
used
for
and
what
additional
programs
the
funds
will
be
provided
towards
in
this
budget.
If
there
are
any
new
programs
provided
and
I
will
see
the
rest
of
my
time
back
to
Emily
elard.
E
I
want
to
I
want
to
go
the
the
question
or
comment
around
cyber
security
with
my
role
on
the
energy
Council.
That
has
been
something
that
we
have
discussed
repeatedly
with
respect
to
the
cost
and
and
the
way
that
that
they
frame
it
as
terrorist
activity
has
become
more
commonplace
and
so
would
Echo
the
sentiments
of
MLA
Rosen
with
respect
to
cyber
security
and
the
importance
that
we
should
be
placing
on
on
that
in
this
government
and
I'm
sure.
The
minister
is
well
aware
so
I'm
curious
to
hear
his
answer.
E
I
also
just
wanted
to
talk
I
I
guess:
I
have
two
minutes
as
the
Emily
for
Grand
Prix
I
understand
the
importance
of
accessible
government
services
for
albertans,
no
matter
where
they
live
and
I
know.
The
minister
has
been
passionate
about
having
accessible
broadband
and
cell
service
Alberta
and
I
would
certainly
say,
as
the
MLA
that
drives
back
and
forth
between
Grand
Prix
and
Edmonton.
We're
not
there
yet,
and
so
hopefully
we'll
get
there.
I
don't
have
a
lot
of
time
here.
E
So
the
23-24
estimate
for
Capital
grants
for
Technology
support
and
operations
is
229,
mil
million
dollars,
which
is
approximately
33
million
higher
than
the
22-23
budget.
If
I'm
reading
it
correctly,
the
significant
investment
in
technology
reflects
our
government's
commitment
to
building
a
more
accessible
and
efficient
government
for
all
by
improving
the
accessibility
of
government
services.
We
can
make
it
easier,
hopefully
for
albertans
to
interact
with
their
government
and
receive
the
services
they
need
to
live
their
lives.
E
So
that
said,
go
back
to
accessibility,
online
24
7,
whether
it's
applying
for
a
driver's
license
or
renewing
a
health
card
which
I
actually
recently
did,
and
it
worked
really
well.
So
thank
you.
Minister
Alberta
should
be
able
to
to
access
government
services
anytime
and
anywhere.
More
and
more
albertans
are
relying
on
technology
to
access
government
services
from
the
safety
of
their
own
homes.
E
So
it's
important
that
the
department
is
able
to
support
government
mandates
and
meet
the
needs
of
albertans
I.
Just
wanted
to
ask
the
minister
of
technology
and
Innovation
what
specific
measures
are
being
taken
to
ensure
that
the
increase
in
Technology
support
and
operations
budget
for
23
24
is
utilized
effectively
to
improve
services
for
albertans
and
right
across
the
province
and
I
think
I'll
see
the
rest
of
my
time.
That's
a
lot
of
questions
for
the
minister
to
answer.
H
Okay,
great,
thank
you,
so
some
great
questions,
I
guess
we'll
start
off
the
top
with
Emily
mciver's
comments
about
the
AI
lab
Grant.
So
this
is
something
that
I'm
personally
really
excited
about.
This
was
this
is
my
idea
from
the
outset
and
to
see
it
come
to.
H
Fruition
has
been
very
exciting,
so
our
mission
with
that
is
to
build
a
sustainable
Innovation
practice
to
launch
products
powered
by
data
Nai
to
benefit
albertans
and,
to
you
know,
to
help
improve
Service
delivery
and
then,
ultimately,
also
on
top
of
that
helping
to
accelerate
economic
Prosperity.
H
So
there's
a
couple
proofs
of
concept
being
explored
right
now
in
there
at
the
education
enrollment
project.
It's
a
model
that
uses
school
and
student
data
to
predict
enrollment
in
new
schools
and
in
these
models,
look
at
enrollment
pressures
and
consider
all
kinds
of
variables
like
location,
programming,
grade
configuration
and
others
to
help
determine
enrollment
Trends,
given
that
the
province
spends
200
to
700
million
dollars
in
new
capital
projects
every
year
for
schools,
you
know
if
we
could
get
a
one
percent
increase
in
utilization
of
existing
assets.
H
The
impact
of
students
and
school
authorities
could
lead
to
about
19.6
million
dollars
in
annual
savings,
so
I
think
there's
some
opportunity
there
by
just
using
the
information
that
we
already
have
in
a
proactive
Way
by
using
power
of
AI
type
tools
could
help
us
to
make
better
informed
decisions
about
when
and
where
we
are
building
different
schools
and
prioritizing
the
projects
that
will
deliver
the
best
results.
H
First,
another
one
is
a
dead
tree
detection
project
using
satellite
imagery
to
develop
machine
learning
models
to
predict
the
location
of
dead
trees,
which
will
reduce
preparedness
and
suppression
costs
by
an
estimated
705
thousand
dollars
every
year
and
ultimately
enhance
Wildfire,
spread
projections
and
increase
public
and
firefighter
safety.
There
are
many
others,
but
just
given
the
time
we
have
all
maybe
move
on
to
some
of
the
other
questions
from
some
of
colleagues.
So
in
terms
of
line
2.2,
the
128
million
dollar
change
down
to
60.
H
so
just
want
to
make
sure
I'm
looking
at
the
right
thing.
So
what
was
that.
C
H
Okay,
now
here's
the
so
so
it's
lower,
mostly
due
to
a
76
million
76.2
million
dollar
decrease
from
the
vaccine
development
program.
So
you'll
remember
during
covert
there
was
a
bit
of
a
surge
investment
into
building
capacity
for
vaccine
development
before
and
so
there.
Of
course,
there's
no
funding
allocated
for
that
in.
H
It
in
terms
of
the
Privacy
funding
increase
I
mean
we've
talked
a
lot
about
the
importance
of
doing
that.
So
I.
Don't
think
anybody's
opposed
to
that.
So
just
some
of
the
areas
where
the
the
increase
will
come
from
there's,
certainly
there's
a
1.36
million
dollar
amount
of
continuing
the
modernist
s
are
a
collaboration,
security
and
information
management
tools
by
implementing
Microsoft
365
as
the
Enterprise
content,
Management
Service,
one
of
the
pieces.
H
Okay
right,
so
another
piece
of
that
is
about
three
million
dollars
that
came
over
related
to
the
overall
data
strategy
and
the
Privacy
related
work
associated
with
that.
So
think
that
covers
up
that
question
next
for
Emily
Walker
in
terms
of
the
digital
accelerator.
This
again
is
something
I'm
really
excited
about.
This
is
this
is
my
baby?
H
H
By
about
50
pretend
moving
on
to
Emily
roswell's
comments
about
Alberta,
animates,
again
that
you
know
the
work
they're
doing
is
really
important.
Some
of
the
AG
Tech
stuff
that
you're
seeing
in
your
writing.
It
has
a
lot
of
great
potential
and
certainly
Albert
interface
has
a
portion
of
their
their
work
going
into
agriculture.
Related
technology,
Investments
and
I
just
want
to
highlight
that,
because
this
dovetails
into
something
that
a
member
Bella
said
released
earlier.
H
But
yes,
a
lot
of
what
the
the
funding
that
we
are
giving
to
Alberta
Mates
is
for
is
to
make
sure
they
can
maintain
and
continue
to
commit
to
multi-year
commitments.
So
there
was
the
question
about
multi-year
commitments
to
Amy
killing
two
birds
with
one
stone.
Part
of
the
reason
for
the
increase
to
180
million
is
to
ensure
that
Albert
anybody
says
the
means
and
resources
to
continue
making
these
multi-year
commitments
like
the
one
to
Amy.
H
Moving
on
to
cyber
security,
again
super
important,
and
yes,
we
Emily
Rosen.
We
also
banned
Tick
Tock
from
government
devices
sharing
in
the
concerns
that
the
International
Community
has
in
that
space
yeah
and
yes,
our
our
cyber
security
budget,
has
increased
significantly
from
8.8
million
to
12.7.
H
A
great
example
was
applying
that
those
tools
to
protect
the
digital
or
the
the
online
payments
portal
for
the
affordability
program
that
we
launched
in
January
and
these
tools
were
able
to
detect
attempts
to
penetrate
that
system
and
to
prevent
that
so
we're
making
targeted
investments
in
the
most
modern
tools
out
there
to
make
sure
that
we
are
on
the
the
Forefront
of
protecting
albertan's
interests,
tying
into
Emily
allard's
comments
about
cyber
security
and
from
her
time
on
the
energy
Council
I
mean
it's
not
just
about
protecting
Alberta's
data
and
systems
as
a
government.
H
So
that
is
why,
as
a
part
of
our
cyber
security
budget,
we
have
allocated
809
thousand
dollars
to
continue
the
expansion
of
what
I've
called
the
Cyber
Alberta
program.
And
this
the
the
cyber
security
community
of
Interest,
which
is
saying,
let's
get
government.
The
government
of
Alberta
and
the
resources
we
have
from
a
cyber
security
perspective
to
come
together
with
private
sector
and
not-for-profit
partners
and
municipalities
and
other
levels
of
government
to
say
we
are
all
facing
the
same
threats.
We
all
have
different
resources
and
different
under
different
expertise.
H
Let's
make
sure
we're
all
working
with
the
same
information
about
the
best
way
to
respond
to
threats,
and
so
by
doing
this
important
work,
I
believe
we
will
be
able
to
increase
their
level
of
protection
for
albertans
against
cyber
threats
in
terms
of
accessibility
to
government
services
wherever
they
live.
I
think
you
know,
Emily
Allard
highlighted
a
couple
of
examples
of
some
Services.
We've
made
some
progress
on
absolutely
we're
going
to
continue
to
do
that.
H
One
of
the
ways
that
we
are
going
to
prioritize,
which
Services
get
it
tackled
next,
is
we
have
a
deputy
Minister
committee
cross
Ministry
that
will
be
looking
at
all
of
the
prospective
Services
scheduled
for
modernization
and
they'll,
be
looking
at
things
like
impact.
H
What's
going
to
deliver
the
biggest
impact
for
albertans,
what's
going
to
give
them
the
best
Improvement
in
their
experience,
the
big
biggest
reduction
in
cost
or
time
commitment
to
get
something
done,
the
biggest
savings
to
the
taxpayer,
so
that
we
can,
you
know
it's
the
80
20
year
old
spend
spend
your
and
the
your
energy
on
the
thing,
the
20
of
the
things
that
will
deliver
80
of
the
results
that
will
be
the
lens
through
which
that
committee
is
looking
at
all
of
these
things,
so
I
think
yeah
and
I
guess
I
can
give
a
couple
of
examples
on
some
of
the
programs
currently
underway
are
planned,
for
example,
with
the
digital
accelerator
program
that
are
in
like
questioning
there's
in
the
Tax
and
Revenue
administrations
tracks
system.
H
It's
there
there's
a
self-service
online
portal
that
we're
working
on
to
manage
the
the
tax
programs
for
the
Goa
and,
like
the
Legacy
database
system
right
now,
it
doesn't
support
new
functionality
for
more
modern
applications.
So
we
have
an
opportunity
to
create
a
more
modern,
Revenue
management
system
across
the
government,
to
simplify
and
to
reduce
duplication
of
components
to
help
Implement
new
initiatives.
More
quickly,
having
better
more
fulsome
Administration
functions
for
registration
assessment,
audit,
Collections
and
objection,
handling
objections
and
appeals.
H
B
Thank
you,
Minister
about
10
seconds
remaining
any
further
comments
from
government
caucus,
seeing
none
that
moves.
We
conclude
the
government
Members
First
block
of
questions
now
into
five
minutes
of
questions
from
the
official
opposition,
followed
by
five
minutes
of
response
from
the
minister
MLA
LSU
May
proceed.
I
Thank
you,
chair
I,
just
wanted
to
make
a
couple
quick
comments
before
I
get
into
my
my
final
block
and
and
hopefully
we'll
have
a
chance
to
hear
from
from
Ms
Williams.
Although
I
appreciate
the
fact
that
time
time
flies
and
and
two
hours
is
yeah
a
short
amount
of
time
to
go
through
this.
I
So
first
of
all,
you
know
I
want
to
say
Minister
that
I
support
your
increase,
the
budget
on
cyber
security,
I,
think
and
I
appreciate
government
members
asking
questions
about
this
I
think
it's
absolutely
critical
to
protect
information
protect
ourselves.
We
see
cyber
security
on
the
rise
globally.
I've
heard
from
many
people
that
our
federal
government
is
not
investing
enough
in
cyber
security
and
so
I
I
appreciate
that
the
Goa
is
is
increasing.
Their
dollar
amount.
I
I
want
to
thank
Emily
Roswell
for
bringing
up
AG,
Tech
and
I
know
that
there's
huge
opportunity
and
potential
with
ag
Tech.
We
have
leading
institutions
from
Lakeland
to
olds
to
Lethbridge
that
are
doing
amazing
work
and
so
want
to
encourage
Minister
your
department
and
Alberta
innovates
to
continue
to
look
at
that
again.
I
mean
I
I'd
love
to
to
to
get
a
deep
dive
with
Albert
animates.
To
look
at
again.
What
are
what?
How
is
the
pharmaceutical
and
Life
Sciences
strategy
coming
along?
I
You
know,
I
appreciate,
and
it
makes
me
question
so.
Sector
strategies
was
something
that
the
former
Minister
Schweitzer
and
I
talked
about
for
years.
You
know
now
that
the
ministry
has
has
been
essentially
blown
up
into
five
Ministries
I'm,
not
sure
where
sector
strategies
live
if
any
of
them
are
are
with
minister
bluebush.
I
My
last
couple
of
minutes
I
just
want
to
talk
about
competitiveness,
because
I
think
it's
it's
absolutely
critical.
When
we
talk
about
attracting
investment,
you
know
I
appreciate
that
Alberta's
numbers
have
continued
to
grow,
which
is
great
to
see
as
I've
said
in
in
question
period.
My
concern
is
that
Alberta
is
growing
at
a
much
slower
Pace
than
the
rest
of
the
country.
I
Now
I
recognize
our
innovators
are
our
ecosystem
is
growing
and
that's
wonderful
to
see
but
recognize
that
that
we
need
to
continue
to
be
competitive,
and
so
you
know
my
line
of
questioning
now
is
around
what
was
supposed
to
be
in
the
budget,
but
was
pulled
at
the
last
minute,
and
that
was
a
reintroduction
of
the
digital
media
tax
credit
now
I
know
Minister
that
you've
talked
about
this
back
in
November
had
committed
to
to
it.
I
I
know
the
industry
was
working
with
you
and
your
team
that
were
very
excited
about
having
a
Level
Playing
Field.
The
reality
is
that
Alberta
digital
media
companies,
gaming
companies,
are
at
a
disadvantage
and
so
I've
spent
a
lot
of
time
talking
with
a
lot
of
the
companies
who,
over
the
past
four
years
have
grown,
have
hired,
but
not
in
Alberta
they're,
hiring
in
BC
they're,
hiring
in
Quebec
they're
hiring
in
Ontario,
and
it's
it's
a
lost
opportunity
for
us.
You
know
from
talking
to
some
of
the
companies.
I
They've
said:
listen
that
that
tax
credit
benefits
more
than
just
games
and
entertainment.
It
benefits
education,
training,
retail
oil
and
gas,
tourism,
Health,
Care
and
More,
and
that
was
from
the
president
of
the
Alberta
chapter
of
the
VR
AR
Association
and
said
you
know,
encourage
concerned
about
what
the
losses
tax
credit
means
for
our
ecosystem,
which
is
largely
made
up
of
startups.
We
know
that
you
know
that
company's
been
told,
while
the
corporate
tax
rate
in
Alberta
is
is
lowest
in
the
country.
I
The
challenge
is
that
many
of
these
companies
are
reinvesting
every
dollar
they
have
they're,
not
paying
corporate
taxes,
so
the
tax
rate
could
be
zero.
They're,
they're,
investing
in
growing
and
and
scaling
and
I
know
that
that
the
government
is
not
opposed
to
tax
credits.
We've
seen
the
film
tax
credit
get
an
increase
which
I'll
be
talking
to
your
colleague
about,
and
we've
seen
the
explosive
growth
in
that
industry,
and
so
you
know
really
it's
you
know
my
my
final
questions
are
just
around.
I
I
It
would
be
called
something
different:
it
would
have
the
current
Minister's
own
stamp
on
it,
but
the
reality
is
that
our
industry-
and
there
are
numerous
examples
of
companies
that
have
were
about
to
pull
a
trigger
on
leasing,
new
space,
on
hiring
dozens,
if
not
hundreds
of
new
employees
and
now
they've
hit
the
pause
button,
and
so
that
expansion
is
going
to
happen.
But
it's
not
going
to
be
in
Alberta
and
when
the
digital
media
tax
credit
was
here,
the
industry
doubled
their
number
of
employees.
H
So
I'll
just
quickly
touch
on
a
couple
pieces
and
then
hopefully
we'll
have
time
for
Miss
Williams
here
so
on
the
tax
credit
I'll
just
draw
the
member
to
my
comments
in
question
period
yesterday.
The
key
here
is
it
when
we
are
considering
any
kind
of
a
program
that
will
be
giving
taxpayer
dollars
in
the
tens
of
millions,
if
not
hundreds
of
millions
of
dollars
to
private
sector
I
mean
the
members
from
from
the
opposition,
often
criticize
the
government
for
corporate
handouts
and
giving
taxpayer
money
to
private
sector
businesses.
H
But
in
this
case
they
seem
to
be
taking
a
completely
different
position:
I'm,
not
taking
one
side
or
another
I'm.
Just
saying
in
this
case,
if
we're
going
to
consider
a
policy,
that's
going
to
cost
hundreds
of
millions
of
dollars,
we
need
to
do
our
homework
and
make
sure
that
we
have
found
a
balance
between
the
interests
of
the
sector.
We're
trying
to
support
and
the
of
the
Alberta
taxpayer,
and
the
fact
was,
is
the
economic
analysis
to
support
policyness
was
not
ready.
We
need
to
do
that
homework.
H
We
owe
it
albertans
to
do
that.
Homework.
We're
going
to
work
with
industry
as
we
continue
to
do
that
homework.
So
that
is
what
I
would
say
in
terms
of
why
we've
landed
where
we've
landed
on
that
front
in
terms
of
sector
strategies
and
specifically
life
sciences
and
pharmaceutical
I
can
say
you
know.
I
was
just
at
a
bio
Alberta
event.
H
Yesterday,
I'm
very
passionate
about
the
power
and
the
potential
of
Life
Sciences
technology
personally
interested
and
invested
in
this,
and
refer
to
working
on
developing
a
bit
more
of
a
fleshing
out
a
bit
more
of
a
strategy
there,
recognizing
that
Alberta
innovates
has
a
role
to
play,
but
I
think
there's
also
it's
important
for
for
Alberta
Government
and
through
my
department
to
to
be
thinking
about
what
it.
What
what
are
the
things
that
we
can
be
doing
to
move
the
needle
to
make
Alberta
Powerhouse,
not
space.
H
In
terms
of
the
software
engineer,
question
acutely
aware
to
that
issue
between
software
engineers
and
epiga
I'll
just
point
out
that
Minister
Nadu
is
working
to
find
a
resolution
there
and
I
am
supporting
him
in
that.
As
someone
who
space
very
well
in
terms
of
intellectual
property
side
of
things,
I
look
totally
agree
with
you
that
it's
important
that
we
focus
on
that
commercialization
aspect.
H
A
personal
anecdote
before
I
was
elected
in
2019
one
of
their.
We
were
looking
at
investing
in
a
company.
The
fund
that
I
was
with.
There
was
a
spin-off
of
one
of
our
major
universities,
a
very
exciting
company.
We've
met
all
our
criteria.
We
were
ready
to
sign
a
check
and
then
the
issue
was
the
technology
transfer
agreement
from
the
post-secondary
institution
itself.
It
rendered
that
company
literally
uninvestable
and
it
took
I,
worked
on
that
project
for
over
a
year
and
we
never
got
to
pulling
the
trigger
on
the
investment.
H
Then
I
got
elected
left,
you
know
the
business
and
it
was
about
a
year
after
that
that
they
finally
got
through
those
hurdles
and
made
that
investment.
How
much
time
was
wasted
in
the
productivity
there.
So
that
said,
I
really
I've
had
lots
of
conversations
with
leaders
from
our
post-secondary
institutions
from
investment
community
on
this
very
issue,
of
course,
with
my
colleague,
Minister
nickelidis
and
I'm
I'm
pleased
that
there's
a
lot
of
work
going
on
there
to
make
some
improvements
there
and
we'll
be
supporting
that
work.
H
K
Excellent,
thank
you
for
having
me
here
today.
Christina
Williams,
president
and
CEO
of
Alberta
Enterprise
Corporation
I
want
to
start
with
acknowledging
all
the
women
in
the
room.
This
is
international
women's
day.
So
congratulations
to
everybody.
That's
here
in
person
and
virtually
I
also
I
want
to
say
a
big
thank
you
to
all
of
you
in
the
room.
K
So
a
couple
of
questions
or
a
lot
of
questions
that
we
had
so
I'll
Endeavor
to
answer
some
of
them
in
the
time
that
I
have
so
we
have
committed
so
over
the
life
of
AC
we've
had
350
million
committed
from
the
government
of
Alberta
from
various
governments.
We
have
committed
330
million
of
that
to
date
in
31
funds,
and
we
did
six
new
of
them
this
year.
One
will
be
announced
tomorrow
and
it's
a
very
exciting
one
sectors.
K
We
look
at
what
sector
sectors
to
invest
in
based
on
what
is
the
demand
for
Capital,
so
we
try
to
match
the
supply
of
capital,
so
the
Venture
Capital
funds
that
we
invest
in
to
the
demand
of
capital
in
this
province,
and
we
do
deal
flow
studies
every
number
of
years
to
evaluate
that
part
forward-looking.
We
are
looking
at
five
new
funds
in
the
coming
fiscal
year
to
do
those
now
we
are
then
going
to
be
fully
committed.
F
Would
like
to
hear
from
Ms
Williams,
that's
my
question.
What
else
does
Ms
Williams
have
to
say
that
we
haven't
heard
yet
Minister.
K
Excellent,
thank
you
very
much.
I
appreciate
that
time.
So
some
of
the
initiatives
that
we
are
doing
in
terms
of
attracting
venture
capital
and
Angel
Investors
to
Alberta
are
some
very
important
things.
So
we
recognized
a
number
of
years
ago
that
there
was
a
an
inability
for
investors
elsewhere
to
find
Alberta
deals.
K
So
we
came
up
with
the
idea,
together
with
industry,
to
create
an
open
source
data
platform
called
start
alberta.com
and
part
of
the
increased
operating
budget
that
we're
receiving
this
year,
and
thank
you
very
much
we'll
go
to
making
sure
that
this
important
data
platform
continues
to
be
open,
source
and
available
to
all
investors
across
the
world.
K
We
are
also
working
with
expat
Canadians
that
are
in
the
valley,
so
there's
an
organization
called
the
c100
to
promote
Alberta
companies
and
to
track
the
funds
a
couple
of
the
funds
that
we
have
attracted
this
year
too
through
the
province.
One
is
the
New
York
based
fund
and
we
actually
just
announced
our
investment
in
them.
Yesterday,
it's
called
alpaca
they've,
already
made
an
Alberta
investment
so
back
to
the
question
around
the
timeline.
How
long
does
it
take
for
us
to
invest
the
money
versus
it
coming
into
companies?
K
Our
timeline
of
when
we
can
invest
in
funds
depends
on
when
we
have
the
capital
available
and,
as
the
minister
pointed
out,
the
175
million
that
was
allocated
to
aec
in
2020
was
in
three
tranches
over
three
years,
so
we
had
the
last
range
of
50
million
this
year
this
fiscal
year
and
we're
busy
investing
that
as
we
speak,
and
that
was
one
of
the
New
York
based
funds
that
we
attracted.
We
also
attracted
a
fund
from
Seattle
called
Flying
Fish.
K
They
have
been
very
active
in
working
with
a
deep
mine
team
to
ensure
that
those
scientists
and
those
students
that
are
working
with
deepmind
are
staying
here
and
that
will
benefit
Alberta
technology
companies
versus
working
for
a
larger
Corporation.
So
we're
excited
about
that
in
terms
of
our
cost
to
the
government.
For
delivering
last
year
we
had
729
million
of
venture
capital
invested
into
Alberta.
K
B
Okay,
thank
you.
I
apologize
for
the
interruption,
but
I
must
advise
the
committee
that
the
time
allotted
for
consideration
of
the
technology
and
Innovation
Ministries
estimates
has
concluded.
I
would
like
to
remind
committee
members
that
we
are
scheduled
to
meet
tomorrow,
March
9
2023
at
9
00
a.m.
To
consider
the
estimates
of
the
ministry
of
advanced
education.
Thank
you.
Everyone.
This
meeting
is
adjourned
and
the
room
needs
to
be
cleared
out
as
efficiently
as
possible
because
we
have
another
meeting,
starting
here
at
10
15..