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From YouTube: Main Estimates - Ministry of Advanced Education
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Legislative Assembly of Alberta
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Hey
good
morning,
everyone
and
I'd
like
to
call
the
meeting
to
order
and
welcome
everyone
in
attendance.
The
committee
has
under
consideration
the
estimates
of
the
ministry
of
advanced
education
for
the
fiscal
year,
ending
March
31st
2024.
I'd.
Ask
that
we
go
around
the
table
and
have
members
introduce
themselves
for
the
record
Minister.
Please
introduce
the
officials
you
have
at
the
table
with
you
and
my
name
is
Glenn
Van
Dyke
and
I
am
the
MLA
for
Athabasca
bar
head
Westlock
and
the
chair
of
this
committee.
We
will
begin
starting
to
my
right.
B
Thank
you
a
few
housekeeping
items
to
address
before
we
turn
to
the
business
at
hand.
Please
note
that
the
microphones
are
operated
by
Hansard
committee.
Proceedings
are
live
streamed
on
the
internet
and
broadcast
on
Alberta
assembly
TV.
The
audio
and
video
stream
and
transcripts
of
meetings
can
be
accessed
via
the
Legislative
Assembly
website.
B
Members
participating
remotely
are
encouraged
to
turn
on
their
camera.
While
speaking
and
mute
your
microphone
when
not
speaking,
remote
participants
who
wish
to
be
placed
on
a
speaker's
list
are
asked
to
email
or
message
to
the
committee
clerk,
Aaron,
Rock
and
members
in
the
room
should
signal
to
the
chair.
Please
set
your
cell
phones
and
other
devices
to
silent
for
the
duration
of
the
meeting
honorable
members.
The
standing
order
set
out
the
process
for
consideration
of
the
main
estimates.
B
A
total
of
three
hours
has
been
scheduled
for
consideration
of
the
estimates
for
the
ministry
of
advanced
education
standing
order,
59,
Section,
1,
subsection
6
establishes
the
speaking
rotation
and
speaking
times.
In
brief,
the
minister
will
have
10
minutes
to
address
the
committee
at
the
conclusion
of
The
Minister's
comments.
A
60-minute
speaking
block
for
the
official
opposition
begins,
followed
by
a
20-minute
speaking
block
for
independent
members
and
then
a
20-minute
speaking
block
for
the
government.
B
After
this
speaking
times
will
follow
the
same
rotation
of
the
official
opposition,
independent
members
and
the
government
caucus
the
member
and
the
minister
may
speak
May
each
speak
once
for
a
maximum
of
five
minutes,
or
these
times
may
be
combined
making
it
a
10
minute
block.
If
members
have
any
questions
regarding
speaking
times
or
the
rotation,
please
send
an
email
or
message.
The
committee
clerk
about
the
process
with
the
concurrence
of
the
committee
I
will
call
a
five-minute
break
near
the
midpoint
of
the
meeting.
However,
the
three-hour
clock
will
continue
to
run.
B
See
none,
we
will
probably
have
a
break
about
halfway
through
Ministry
officials
may
be
present
and
at
the
discretion
of
the
minister
May
address
the
committee
Ministry
officials
seated
in
the
gallery,
if
called
upon,
have
access
to
a
microphone
in
the
gallery
area
and
are
asked
to
please
introduce
themselves
for
the
record
prior
to
commenting
pages
are
available
to
deliver
notes
or
other
materials
between
the
gallery
and
the
table.
Attendees
in
the
gallery
may
not
approach
the
table.
B
Space
permitting
opposition
caucus
staff
may
sit
at
the
table
to
assist
their
members.
However,
members
have
priority
to
sit
at
the
table
at
all
times.
If
debate
is
exhausted
prior
to
three
hours,
the
ministry's
estimates
are
deemed
to
have
been
considered
for
the
time
allotted
in
the
schedule,
and
the
committee
will
adjourn.
B
Points
of
order
will
be
dealt
with
as
they
arise
and
individual
speaking
times
will
be
paused.
However,
the
speaking
block
time
and
the
overall
three-hour
meeting
clock
will
continue
to
run
any
written
material
provided
in
response
to
questions
raised
during
main
estimates
should
be
tabled
by
the
minister
in
the
assembly
for
the
benefit
of
all
members.
B
The
vote
on
the
estimates
and
any
amendments
will
occur
in
Committee
of
Supply
on
March
16
2023
amendments
must
be
in
writing
and
approved
by
parliamentary
Council
prior
to
the
meeting
at
which
they
are
to
be
moved.
The
original
amendment
is
to
be
deposited
with
the
committee
clerk
with
20
hard
copies.
An
electronic
version
of
the
signed
original
should
be
provided
to
the
committee
clerk
for
distribution
to
committee
members.
B
Finally,
the
committee
should
have
the
opportunity
to
hear
both
questions
and
answers
without
interruption
during
estimates
debate,
debate
flows
through
the
chair
at
all
times,
including
instances
when
speaking
time
is
shared
between
a
member
and
the
minister
I,
would
now
invite
the
minister
of
advanced
education
to
begin
with
your
opening
remarks.
Minister,
you
have
10
minutes.
I
I
I'm
really
excited
to
be
here.
I've
introduced
my
officials,
who
are
present
with
me
and
to
thank
them
for
their
expertise
as
well.
I
want
to
begin
by
acknowledging
the
importance
of
Alberta's
Adult,
Learning
System,
the
work
of
advanced
education
and
the
work
of
our
post-secondary
institution
directly
relates
to
government's
goals
to
secure
Alberta's
future
by
growing
the
economy,
strengthening
health
care
and
helping
to
create
jobs.
It
helps
build
vibrant
and
inclusive
communities,
while
also
removing
barriers
and
supporting
greater
equality.
I
Most
importantly,
though,
it
helps
albertans
reach
their
full
potential
and
gain
important
skills
and
knowledge
that
they
need
to
succeed.
However,
a
well-run
post-secondary
system
comes
at
a
cost
of
course,
responsible.
Post-Secondary
education
funding
helps
Alberta,
develop
a
highly
skilled
and
competitive
Workforce,
strengthen
Innovation
and
commercialization
of
research
and
Forge
stronger
relationships
between
employers
and
post-secondary
institutions.
I
I
I
Now
both
are
rates
of
graduate
excuse
me
of
undergraduate
tuition,
and
our
Revenue
mix
are
now
in
alignment
with
British,
Columbia
and
Ontario.
Our
undergraduate
tuition
rate
in
2223
was
just
over
seven
thousand
dollars.
47
of
revenue
for
post-secondary
institutions
comes
from
government
grants
and
33
percent
of
Revenue
comes
from
tuition
now.
These
changes,
of
course,
haven't
been
easy
and
I
commend
and
thank
the
work
of
all
of
our
post-secondary
institutions
to
help
achieve
these
important
recommendations.
I
I
lay
this
all
out
to
say
that
the
last
four
years
have
been
a
time
of
transformation
amid
unprecedented
challenges
for
post-secondary
institutions,
budget
23
represents
an
opportunity
to
continue
the
positive
momentum.
We
have
worked
so
hard
to
build
I'm,
confident
that
the
vision
Premier
Smith
has
laid
out
along
with
our
ongoing
priorities
in
advanced
education,
will
ensure
that
our
post-secondary
system
remains
strong
and
responsive.
I
Budget
23
includes
189.
Excuse
me
a
hundred
and
yes
189
million
over
three
years
for
seat
expansion
in
high
demand
and
growing
Industries
across
Alberta
we're
continuing
to
build
on
the
largest
targeted
enrollment
expansion
in
Alberta
history
through
additional
targeted,
enrollment
Investments
of
111
million
to
create
almost
4
000
new
seats
in
high
demand.
Programs
of
this
87
million
will
allow
students
who
have
started
in
new
seats
under
the
targeted
expansion
program
to
finish
off
degree
and
diploma
programs.
I
The
other
24
million
will
support
new
seats,
beginning
in
September
23.,
to
address
Workforce
pressures
in
areas
of
the
highest
demand,
including
non-trade
construction,
technology,
business
and
engineering.
Finally,
we
are
providing
6
million
over
three
years
to
help
Mount
Royal
University
develop
a
bachelor
of
Aviation
Management
program.
I
In
addition,
we
are
also
introducing
legislation
to
cap
tuition
increases
at
two
percent.
This
will
provide
students
and
families
with
greater
predictability
and
stability
with
respect
to
tuition
prices
with
respect
to
Capital.
We've
also
made
significant
Investments
across
the
post-secondary
system,
with
178
million
for
post-secondary
infrastructure,
in
addition
to
the
three
capital
projects
continuing
from
budget
22
and
a
few
components
related
to
expansion.
I
In
conclusion,
I
cannot
stress
strongly
enough
the
importance
that
post-secondary
education
plays
in
Alberta's
economy,
ensuring
albertans
have
these
skills,
knowledge
and
competencies
they
need
is
critical
to
the
economic
future
of
our
Province.
This
can
only
be
achieved
by
providing
them
opportunities
through
post-secondary
education,
I'm.
Looking
forward
to
continuing
our
work
to
build
a
future
that
we
can
be
proud
of.
Thank
you.
Mr,
chair,
I'm,
happy
to
take
questions
from
the
committee
and.
B
B
J
J
Proceed:
yeah,
don't
pray,
don't
change,
but
it's
not
broken
right.
Well.
Thank
you
and
I
appreciate
the
opportunity
to
ask
some
questions
around
this
current
Advanced
education
budget,
and
certainly
we
are
looking
for
first
and
foremost,
constructive
engagement
for
an
unconstructive
criticism
that
perhaps
the
minister
can
internalize
and
as
and
look
as
we're
as
we're
moving
forward,
I
mean,
certainly
since
we
are
in
an
election
period,
that
version
of
moving
forward
could
be
just
a
matter
of
weeks
rather
than
here.
J
So
this
circumstance,
but
nonetheless,
I
think
it's
important
for
all
albertans
to
know
that
our
new
democrat
new
Democrats
party-
and
you
know-
hopefully
the
government's
in
the
next
few
months-
will
commit
to
investing
in
advanced
education
in
our
colleges
in
our
polytechnics
and
our
universities
across
the
province.
We
know
categorically
that
an
investment
dollar
into
advanced
education
pays
exponential
returns
in
the
education
of
our
population.
J
Of
course,
especially
young
people
and
economic
return
in
regards
to
building
a
skilled
Workforce
and
that
can
contribute
to
our
economy
here
in
the
province
of
Alberta
and
then,
of
course,
contributing
to
the
overall
quality
of
life
that
we
all
enjoy
and
hope
to
enjoy
now
and
in
the
future,
with
citizenship
and
the
economic
benefits
that
come
from
having
a
diploma
or
a
degree
or
some
traits
training,
and
so
I
guess,
I'm.
Sorry,
I
just
have
some
introductory
comments.
J
And
so
my
first
question
I
know
that
this
is
an
issue
that
the
minister
shares
with
me
as
many
albertans
do
that
we
need
to
have
significant
improvements
on
our
rates
for
enrollment.
Here
in
the
province
of
Alberta,
we
have
stubbornly
low
enrollment
rates
in
post-secondary
relative
to
the
overall
population,
and
so,
if
I
could
just
direct
your
attention,
minister,
to
page
five
of
the
ministry
business
plan,
I
noticed
that
your
business
plan
performance
measure
2.8
notes
that
the
target
target
for
Unique
domestic
Learners
is
200.
222,
523.
J
J
I
Sure
yeah,
thank
you.
It's
a
it's
an
important
question,
of
course,
because
I
think
we
can.
We
can
all
agree
that
we
need
to
make
sure
that
young
albertans
have
availability
and
access
to
the
programs
that
they
have
interest
in
right
here
in
our
own
Province,
and
that's
exactly
why
the
government
has
invested
significantly
to
create
the
largest
targeted
expansion
of
seats
in
Alberta
history
in
budget
2022.
I
This
that
we
had
provided
171
million
to
create
10
000
spaces.
Many
of
those
spaces
have
already
been
created
and
we're
continuing
that
targeted
enrollment
program
in
budget
23,
with
another
111
million
to
again
create
additional
spaces.
So
that's
the
first,
the
first
part
of
that
right.
We
need
to
make
sure
that
we
actually
have
the
funding
capacity
to
to
hire
the
instructors
purchase.
The
material
that's
needed
to
to
to
expand
enrollment
in
those
very
high
demand
programs,
so
targeted
enrollment
will
help
in
that
regard.
I
I
They
do
need
more
space
to
be
able
to
graduate
more
vets,
and
in
addition,
just
a
few
weeks
ago,
we
announced
125
million
dollar
commitment
to
create
the
new
School
of
Business,
the
brand
new
building
of
McEwen
and
so
that'll
help
so
we'll
have
the
funding
in
place
we'll
have
the
we're
working
to
ensure
that
we
have
the
physical
infrastructure
in
place.
But,
thirdly,
as
well,
we
are
also
through
the
context
of
the
performance-based
funding
and
the
investment
management
agreements
that
we
have
with
our
institutions.
I
We
are
providing
targets
to
individual
post-secondary
institutions
over
their
domestic
enrollment
levels.
This
is
all,
as
you
can
see,
a
coordinated
and
multi-pronged
approach
to
ensure
that
we
have
the
funding
the
physical
space,
and
we
have
clearly
established
the
priorities
with
our
post-secondary
institutions
through
the
investment
management
agreements.
To
say
we
need
to
make
sure
we
have
space
for
students.
We
need
to
make
sure
that
we
are
that
we
have
that
capacity
there.
I
There
continues
to
be,
though,
to
your
point:
the
issue
of
post-secondary
participation
and
and
I
think
that
there
are.
There
are
broader
issues
with
that.
You
know
sometimes
students,
just
don't
don't
choose
to
continue
on
to
post-secondary
After
High
School
they
choose
to
take
a
year
off
or
they
they
choose
to
do
other
things
and
that
that
is
that
continues
to
be
an
area
of
concern.
I
think
we
need
to
work
closely
with
with
with
K-12
and
education,
to
make
sure
that
students
are
aware
of
the
breadth
of
programming.
I
That's
available,
and
we've
tried
to
undertake
a
lot
of
work
in
this
regard
over
the
last
four
years
to
create
more
awareness
about
all
the
different
opportunities,
primarily
in
the
trades
and
in
apprenticeship,
educational
opportunities
that
there
there
are
many
opportunities.
There
are
many
Pathways,
that's
that
students
can
choose,
because
I
think
when
students
have
that
greater
Clarity
and
awareness
about
the
options
that
are
out
there,
they
can
really
find
something
that
works
for
them.
So
those
are
I'll
sure.
J
No,
that's
all
wind
down,
but
they're.
Those
are
the
those
that's
fine,
I
mean,
but
what
we
see
now
I
mean
it's
the
prime.
The
primary
barrier
for
students
to
consider
Advanced
education
in
a
college
or
in
a
trade
and
so
forth
is
the
expense.
We
see
that
tuition
has
gone
up
at
a
record
rates,
and
student
debt
has
gone
up
at
record
rates
as
well.
J
We're
not
seeing
the
capital
investments
in
our
post-secondaries
to
meet
the
growing
need
for
enrollments
and
and
for
places
in
in
the
Pro
in
our
schools
and
again
you
know
if
we
use
gravity
as
an
example.
That's
a
very,
very
fine
addition
to
their
campus
125
million
dollars,
but
we
also
need
to
make
sure
we
have
the
staff
and
faculty
that
actually
will
work
in
support
education
in
that
new
facility
right.
So
what
we
see
in
this
budget
in
terms
of
capital
funding,
it's
cut
by
420
million
dollars.
J
If
you
adjust
to
population
and
inflation
I
mean
inflation
is
a
big
thing
for
these
budget
estimates
in
all
Ministries,
because
of
course,
if
you
have
a
flat
number
really,
you
have
a
five
or
six
percent
cut
because
of
the
inflation
rates
that
all
institutions
are
dealing
with.
While
they,
you
know,
why
are
they
trying
to
build
their
their
budgets?
J
We
all
know
that
there
are
tens
of
thousands
of
young
people
in
grade
school
right
now.
That
will
need
post-secondary
positions
in
the
next
few
years.
If
those
positions
are
not
made
and
they're
not
affordable,
that
population
of
young
people
will
simply
not
be
able
to
choose
to
go
to
Advanced
education
here
in
the
province
or
they'll
go
elsewhere,
and
neither
of
those
options
are
are
except
so
I'm
hoping
well
I
mean
I,
guess.
My
question
can
be
specifically
around
what
the
minister
might
do
to
actually
increase
capacity.
J
I
Sure,
and
and
again
you
know
it's
an
important
piece
that
we
need
to
be
working
towards
and
which
we're
absolutely
committed
to.
We
are
absolutely
committed
to
making
sure
that
we
have
the
spaces
that
we
need,
as
I
mentioned.
That's
why
we
have
undertaken
the
largest
targeted
expansion
of
seats
in
Alberta
history,
north
of
10
000,
additional
spaces
being
created
you
mentioned
and
and
significant
investments
in
infrastructure.
We've
provided
funding
to
Mount
Royal
University
to
help
repurpose
some
underutilized
space
to
create
a
greater
lecture
space.
I
The
investment
at
McEwen
University
will
allow
thousands
of
additional
students
to
be
able
to
participate,
in
addition
to
expansions
at
State,
University
of
Calgary
and
other
institutions.
All
of
that
is
making
sure
that
we
have
the
physical
infrastructure
and
that
we
have
the
funding.
You
know
again,
as
I
mentioned,
171
million
was
allocated
in
last
year's
budget
to
to
create
those
10
000
additional
spaces.
We're
allocating
eating
111
million
in
this
budget
cycle
to
create
that
that
is
again.
I
I
I
I
really
want
to
impress
upon
the
magnitude
of
the
the
expansion
of
seats
that
is
underway
right
now.
It
is
the
largest
expansion
of
of
a
targeted
expansion
of
seats
in
Alberta
history
and
with
respect
to
funding
levels,
I
love
to
provide
comparisons.
So
in
2019-20
the
average
provincial
operating
funding
per
full
FTE
was
10
561,
that's
the
average
across
the
u15.
The
University
of
Alberta
was
at
16
212
and
the
University
of
Calgary
was
at
14
500..
I
I
That's
going
to
create
thousands
of
additional
spaces
to
to
help
meet
that
growing
demand
and
coupled,
as
I
mentioned,
with
the
investment
management
agreements,
we
can
put
those
targets
and
those
aren't
arbitrary
targets.
You
know
we
don't
just
kind
of
pull
a
number
out
of
a
hat
and
say
here
you
go
University
of
Calgary,
here's,
your
domestic
enrollment
Target.
We
sit
down
with
them
and
you
know
Olin
and
others
from
our
team
sit
down
with
them
and
have
very
detailed
conversations
about
what
their
enrollment
projections
are.
I
Looking
like
and
and
we
use,
we
use
the
best
estimates
in
a
collaborative
way
to
put
Targets
in
those
Investment
Management
agreements
that
are
reasonable
that
are
achievable.
It's
not
intended
to
be
a
mechanism
to
put
arbitrary
targets
at
an
institution
cannot
meet
or
cannot
hit.
It's
intended
to
just
clearly
communicate
what
government,
what
government's
priorities
are
with
respect
to
the
1.9
billion
dollar
investment?
That's
provided
into
our
post-secondary
institution,
so
I
think
we
are
we
we
are.
We
are
well
on
our
way.
I
I
We've
had
to
rein
in
that
spending
government-wide
to
be
able
to
deliver
a
balanced
budget
to
put
back
into
savings,
to
invest
in
our
future,
and
all
government
departments
and
Ministries
have
had
to
to
tighten
their
belts
in
that
regard,
but
we're
able
to
provide
significant
reinvestment
at
this
stage
and
not
just
to
the
targeted
enrollment
as
I
mentioned,
we're
also
increasing.
What's
provided
in
terms
of
grants
and
Awards.
In
fact,
this
budget
sees
a
15
percent
increase
in
Grants
from
last
year's
budget
to
students.
I
They
communicated
very
clearly
to
me
over
the
past
couple
of
years
that
they
want
to
see
more
in
non-repayable
student,
financial
assistance
and
we've
done
that
again
and
there's
been
a
15
percent
increase
in
non-repayables
financial
assistance
available
to
students.
We've
been
we're,
instituting
it
to
a
tuition
cap
to
provide
students
with
flexibility.
Excuse
me
predictability
and
stability
when
it
comes
to
tuition
rates,
and
you
know
for
the
last
four
years.
I
They
can
cost
out
their
the
cost
of
their
education
and
and
budget
and
plan
accordingly
and
with
respect
to
tuition
levels
as
well.
We
we
are
very
competitive,
we're
slightly
above
the
national
average
currently
but
well
below
other
comparative
provinces
and
continue
to
remain
very,
very
competitive.
J
And
so
the
only
measure
announced
by
the
government
to
support
all
students
is
the
two
percent
Capital
intuition,
as
the
minister
mentions.
But
this
is,
of
course
in
from
2024-2025.
This
means
that
students
have
to
wait
for
over
a
year
before
receiving
any
support,
whereas
there's
no
guarantee
that
students
won't
face
further
tuition
increases
by.
Despite
this
cut,
exceptionally
tuition.
Increases
of
up
to
44
percent
in
some
programs
have
which
are
not
subject
to
the
cap
have
been
approved
as
recently
as
March
of
last
year
in
some
programs
at
the
U
of
A.
J
So
students
urge
the
government
to
take
immediate
relief
to
all
students
that
are
already
struggling
to
make
Ben's
meet
and
again
a
quote
from
a
student
post-secondaries
have
already
approved
their
increases.
There's
nothing
to
be
done
is
that's
and
is
no
excuse.
This
government
has
to
decide
and
the
power
to
provide
immediate
support
to
the
millions
that
have
already
cut,
in
fact,
1.2
billion
dollars,
and
so
we
cannot
afford
to
wait
any
longer.
So
when
will
this
Government
Act
and
to
provide
immediate
support
for
all
struggling
students
right
now,
question
mark
sure.
I
Well,
I
would
say
that
you
know
the
government
is,
is
absolutely
doing
that
and
there's
no
question.
You
know
I
completely
understand
where
that
individual
is
at
and
the
challenges
that
they're
facing,
because
we're
all
facing
these,
these
inflationary
pressures
pressures
and
this
cost
of
living
crisis
I
think
it's
important
to
remember
the
source
of
these
problems.
An
important
source
of
these
problems,
of
course,
is
improved
in
fiscal
management
at
the
federal
level.
I
That's
driving
up
interest
rates,
that's
creating
this
and
adding
to
this
inflationary
crisis
that
we're
seeing
and
I
think
that
You
know.
Despite
those
challenges,
of
course,
the
government
of
Alberta
is
in
a
strong
position,
because
we've
made
some
of
the
difficult
decisions
over
the
past
couple
of
years,
we're
fortunate
to
find
ourselves
in
a
surplus
situation
so
that
we
can
help
albertans
during
this
very
difficult
time.
I
In
addition,
we're
also
providing
additional
financial
assistance
to
food
banks,
and
that
includes
several
campus
food
banks,
as
well
as
part
of
that
and
the
other
measures
that
were
introduced,
the
we're
lowering
lowering
the
interest
rate
on
student
loans,
we're
extending
the
interest-free
grace
period
and
the
interest
fee.
Grace
period
of
pro
applies
to
graduates.
I
So
once
you
graduate
you
have
six
months
to,
you
know,
get
your
feet
firmly
planted
in
a
career
and
in
a
job
opportunity
before
you
have
to
begin
making
repayments
to
your
loans,
we're
extending
that
to
12
months
and
will
become
one
of
the
most
generous
provinces
in
that
regard.
There's
only
one
other
Province
right
now
that
gives
graduates
12
months
and
that's
Prince,
Edward
Island,
so
we'll
be
we'll
be
joining
them.
I
The
Alberta
student
grant
provides
again
non-repayable
financial
assistance
to
low-income
albertans
and
we
have
increased
the
benefit
amount
that
is
being
provided
to
students.
So
the
challenge
and
I
understand
the
the
question
and
part
of
the
challenge
is,
of
course
you
know.
Students
are
very
different
places.
You
have
low-income
students
that
are
that
are
more
reliant
on
on
maybe
grants
and
bursaries
and
could
benefit
more
from
increases.
Those
you
have
other
students
that
are
loan
borrowers.
That
will
benefit
from
greater
relief
on
the
student
loan
side.
I
You
have
other
students
who
are
not
loan,
borrowers
are
not
Grant
recipients
and
and-
and
a
two
percent
cap
of
course,
will
will-
will
help
them.
So
what
we've
put
together
here
in
terms
of
a
suite
of
affordability,
measures,
I
believe,
is
quite
comprehensive
in
targeting
as
many
individual
groups
of
our
student
population
as
possible,
whether
they
be
student
loan
borrowers,
non-borrower
borrowers,
Grant
recipients
to
make
sure
that
everybody
is
able
to
realize
a
degree
of
relief.
J
Yeah,
no
fair
and
I
would
just
like
to
look
at
each
of
those
measures
individually.
If
we
could
I
mean
the
two
percent
cap
on
tuition
increases
starting
in
2020
425,
if
I'm
not
I,
think
needs
some
several
points
of
clarification,
first
and
foremost
placing
a
cap
on
tuition
and
then
somehow
not
backstopping
colleges,
universities
and
polytechnics
with
a
potential
loss
of
operating
funding.
J
I
J
When
you
open
it
up
to
the
seven
percent,
increases
I
mean
those
other
things
are
just
to
pass
right,
so
I
mean
you
opened
up,
the
tuition
increases
to
seven
percent
per
year
and
then
the
extraordinary
ones.
You
know
much
beyond
that,
and
really
you
made
sure
that
all
of
our
schools
they've
hit
that
seven
percent
right
and
that's
each
year
and
compelled
to
do
so.
So
you
end
up
with
between
22
to
30
increases
across
the
board,
so
so
yeah
I
mean
this.
J
Is
an
increase?
I
mean
you
talk
about.
You
know
the
the
your
National
levels
of
of
contribution,
but
I
mean
there's
no
denying
that
this
represents
the
largest
tuition
increase
in
in
in
the
country
for
sure
right
and
so
people
adjust
from
one
thing
to
another
and
they
make
expectations
around
education,
and
you
know
well
the
tuition
as
a
get
back
to
the
point
I'm
trying
to
make
here
is
that
what
will
you
do
to
if
you
have
a
captive
place?
J
You
know
we
need
to
make
sure
you
backstop
so
that
the
Gap
in
an
overall
post-secondary
budget
for
an
institution
doesn't
have
to
make
Cuts
in
other
areas
to
compensate
for
the
two
percent
cap
right.
Our
government
would
ensure
that
schools
are
backstopped
to
a
provide,
an
affordable
tuition
number
and
B
make
sure
that
that
doesn't
come
to
the
detriment
of
their
overall
operating
budget.
I
Sure
so
yeah
you're
correct
in
that
regard.
Again
it
was
either
2017
or
18.,
which
I
think
you'd
be
able
to
provide
Clarity,
of
course,
because
it
was
under
the
previous
government
a
past.
A
changes
to
the
post-secondary
learning
act
whereby
a
cap
on
tuition
was
put
in
place
that
pegged
a
tuition
increases
at
CPI
in
2019.
I
We
made
us
an
amendment
to
say
that
for
the
next
three
years
the
cap
will
be
at
a
flat
seven
percent
that
has
now
passed
and
the
five
pers
five
and
a
half
percent
increase
that
we
are
seeing
today
at
many
of
our
universities
and
colleges
is
under
the
tuition
cap
framework
that
was
introduced
in
in
2017-18
and
I.
Think
that
that
just
shows
why
a
flat
two
percent
cap
on
tuition
is
necessary
because
you
can,
if
you
have
a
cap,
that
is
that
that
Max
is
tuition
out
based
on
CPI.
I
That
number
can
change
and
that
number
can
change
wildly
as
we're
seeing
that
number
peaked
at
five
and
a
half
percent.
So
under
that
kind
of
model
students
don't
have
predictability.
Students
do
not
have
stability,
so
what
we
are
doing
with
the
two
percent
tuition
cap
will
get
unequivocally
give
students
the
most
predictability
and
stability
with
respect
to
their
tuition
in
Alberta
history.
I
There
has
never
been
any
other
legislated
or
regulatory
framework
in
Alberta
that
will
give
students
as
much
predictability
and
stability
intuition
prices
than
what
the
when
the,
what
the
government
is
planning
to
introduce
in
2425,
so
I
just
want
to
provide
that
absolute
Clarity
and
when
we
so
to
come
back
to
your
your
point
about
a
potential
backfill
or
should
should
a
situation.
If
we
pay
tuition
increases
at
two
percent,
but
that
inflation
is
at
three
percent.
Will
we
make
up
the
difference?
I
You
know
I
I'm
happy
to
to
have
those
conversations
if
we,
if
we
get
to
that
that
scenario
right
now,
treasury
board
and
the
Ministry
of
Finance
is
forecasting
inflation
rates
to
be
2.2
percent
in
in
the
coming
year.
And,
furthermore,
a
one
percent
on
tuition
represents
a
nine
million
dollar
represents
nine
million
dollars
collectively
across
the
system.
So
what
I'm
saying
is
if
we
put
a
cap
of
two
percent,
but
inflation
turned
out
to
be
three
percent
to
make
up
the
difference,
we're
talking
about
nine
million
dollars.
I
So
in
an
in
our
budget
you
know:
that's
that's
2.5
billion
dollars,
I
I
think
we
might
have
the
space
to
be
able
to
to
do
that.
But
I
can't
speak
for
budgetary
decisions
that
are
going
to
be
made
in
20
425.
You
know
that's
so
far
out
but
happy
to
to
to
explore
those
conversations
if
necessary.
Thank.
C
J
J
That's
been
done
more
than
1.2
billion
dollars
taken
out
of
the
system
in
the
last
four
years,
and
so
that
a
large
proponent
part
of
that
is
to
ensure
that
there's
proper
operating
funding
in
place
for
all
universities,
colleges
and
polytechnics,
and
that
they
are
backstage
to
ensure
that
proper
tuition
regulation
is
in
place
so
that
all
students
can
go
to
school
affordably.
If
they
choose
to
to
do
so.
J
So
back
to
some
questions
that
I
have
here,
this
one
is
from
the
University
of
Calgary
interesting
one
I'm,
just
talking
about
repeated
cuts
to
campus
Alberta
grants.
Should
we
just
talked
about.
It's
left
led
to
a
severe
reduction
in
essential
support
staff
such
as
upwards
of
three
departments,
sharing
a
single
graduates
program
supervisor
at
the
University
of
Calgary
and
shifting
funds
away
from
services
like
I.T.
I
Sure,
and
thank
you
to
the
student
for
that
that
important
question
you
know,
with
respect
to
Quality
I,
think
our
our
institutions
continue
to
excel.
You
know.
Just
recently,
the
University
of
Calgary
was
named
one
of
the
top
five
research
universities
for
the
first
time
in
its
history,
so
I
think
we're
on
a
strong
trajectory.
I
But
I
appreciate
the
question
about
International
Education,
a
a
quick
comparison
again.
So
in
Alberta
excuse
me,
I'll
reframe,
this,
the
national
average
for
undergraduate
fees
for
international
undergraduate
students
is
30
36
000
in
Alberta
our
fees
are
twenty
nine
thousand
dollars
in
Canada
the
average
for
international
graduate
students.
The
average
fees
charged
are
twenty
one
thousand
dollars
in
Alberta,
it's
16
800..
Our
fees
are
incredibly
competitive
and
and
will
continue
to
remain
so
and
and
the
member
will
know
because
of
course
it
was.
I
It
was
under
under
the
members
government
that
changes
were
made
to
tuition
policy
and
to
tuition
regulations,
and
those
continue
to
remain
in
place.
Specifically,
the
regulations
were
changed
and
stipulated
that
a
university
must
give
an
international
student
the
entire
picture,
the
entire
cost
of
their
program
up
front
at
the
time
of
admission
and
so
effectively
there.
I
There
is
a
cap
in
place
for
international
students
under
regulations
that
were
introduced
back
in
2017-18
that
and
that
hasn't
changed,
so
that
continues
to
remain
in
place
and
again
any
international
student
excuse
me
I'll
rephrase
that
a
university
or
a
college
must
provide
an
international
student
with
the
complete
cost
of
their
duration
of
their
program
up
front
at
the
time
of
admission.
So
they
know
going
in
the
full
full
cost
that
that
will
be
included.
I
I
They
they
know
better
than
anybody
else
what
their
infrastructure
needs
are
and
I,
don't
think.
In
the
past
four
years,
I've
seen
any
one
of
our
institutions
request
funding
to
build
more
housing
and
student
residence
spaces.
I
I
could
be
wrong
with
that
caveat,
but
but
I
don't
don't
think
I've
seen
that
with
respect
to
the
universe
or
to
the
city
of
Calgary's
plan
to
convert
empty
downtown
spaces
to
affordable
housing
units,
I'm,
I
I'm,
not
sure
of
the
details
of
of
that
plan,
I
I
think
that
I,
that's.
I
J
That's
coming
through
grade
school
right
now
and
building
an
affordable
spaces
in
creative
ways
can
include
using
downtown
office
capacity
and
so
forth,
for
not
just
campuses
for
learning,
but
also
for
affordable
housing.
Too,
and
it's
like
I
say:
we've
had
enthusiastic
support
from
a
number
of
universities
and
colleges
across
the.
B
J
Thank
you
absolutely
thank
you
Sam,
so
I
guess
it
could
switch
a
little
bit
still
talking
about
some
institutions
in
in
Calgary,
right
and
building
their
capacity
right,
and
we
know
that
there's
been
quite
significant.
Job
losses
at
the
University
of
Calgary,
the
southern
operative
technology,
as
well
as
places
like
the
University
of
Alberta
Grand,
McEwen,
University,
Nate
University
of
Lethbridge
everybody's
concerned
about
the
quality
of
instruction
that
is
compromised
by
cuts
to
the
operating
grants
and
then
loss
of
staff
and
faculty
and
so
calculating.
For.
I
I
You
know
we're
not
we're
not
just
picking
programs
out
of
out
of
the
sky
or
out
of
a
hat,
we're
looking
very
very
objectively.
Where
are
the
bottlenecks?
Where
are
students
being
turned
away?
As
an
example
like
in
veterinary
medicine?
We
need
more
vets
in
this
province
and
the
school
can
take
more
they're
they're.
The
the
University
of
Calgary
school
is
turning
qualified
applicants
away,
so
we're
investing
more
in
that
school
because
there's
demand
and
we
need
them.
So
you
know
it.
It
makes
sense.
I
I
I
Several
of
our
institutions
continue
to
receive
those
those
global
accolades
and
awards.
I
think
the
quality
of
instruction
is
excellent.
I
think
we
have
fantastic
individuals,
researchers,
lecturers
and
administrators
and
staff
at
all
of
our
University
and
colleges
who
do
some
amazing
work?
Have
we
gone
through
a
few
challenging
years?
I
Yeah
absolutely,
but
we've
been
able
to
maintain
incredible
high
quality
instruction,
we're
beginning
to
reinvest
not
just
in
the
targeted
enrollment
that
I
talked
about,
but
also
in
other
areas
we're
investing
in
creating
new
micro,
credentialed
programs,
we're
investing
to
support
indigenous
Learners
in
post-secondary
education,
we're
investing
to
create
new
apprenticeship
opportunities.
So
there's
there's
significant
new
investment
coming
into
the
system
to
help
ensure
that
albertans
have
access
to
high
quality
learning
right
here
at
home.
J
Thank
you
and
I
mean
those
are
good
Ambitions,
but
I
mean
you
need
to
show
with
substance
in
this
budget
right,
and
so
you
know
the
budget
from
last
year.
To
this
year
we
don't
see
you
know
a
significant
increase
to
the
overall
operating
budget
of
of
our
of
our
schools,
our
colleges,
universities
and
polytechnics,
and
so,
while
faculty
and
staff
and
students
and
the
Administration
has
kind
of
held
the
line
in
the
face
of
as
you
tournament
challenging
years.
J
It's
really
the
UCP
cuts
to
those
secondaries
with
the
challenging
years
were
then
what
you
know.
We
would
expect
to
see
some
some
way
to
turn
the
corner
with
this
budget,
but
really
when
you
look
back
from
where
we
were
four
years
ago
to
now
right,
including
this
budget,
we
see
Annette
loss
of
funding,
adjusting
for
population
and
inflation
of
more
than
1.2
billion
dollars
right,
so
people
judge
based
on
what
they
can
see
actually
hit
the
ground
to
improve
quality
and
University
of
Calgary's
ranking
is
admirable.
J
States
international
reputation
is
unquestioned
and,
as
is
their
provincial
and
National
reputation,
but
you're
only
as
good
as
the
next
thing.
You
do
right,
and
that
applies
to
all
things,
including
this
budget
and
the
colleges
and
universities
have
been
scrambling
to
ensure
and
to
maintain
that
high
quality
and
reputation
that
we
do
enjoy
here
now,
but
again,
that's
sitting
on
a
Razor's
Edge
when
you
have
had
four
years
of
quite
significant
Cuts
as
you
determined
challenging
times,
but
really
just
under
funding
from
the
from
the
provincial
government.
J
So
so
you
know,
my
question
is
in
regards
to
enrollment.
For
example,
does
your
departments
and
government
have
a
number
of
how
many
students
we
can
expect
to
see
in
the
next
five
years
into
our
post-secondary
institutions,
and
do
we
have
the
capacity
to
meet
that
increasing
demand
over
the
next
five
years?
Question.
I
Yeah,
the
short
answer
to
those
is:
is
yes
and
yes,
I'll:
ask
if
my
officials
have
the
the
forecast
of
of
the
number
the
exact
number
of
of
full
load
equivalents
that
we're
expecting
to
see
come
into
the
system
and
and
provide
that
to
me,
but
yeah
we
are.
We
are
anticipating
enrollment
growth
and
that's
why
we're
we're
doing
all
of
these
things.
C
I
I
So
I
could
be
wrong
again,
but
the
mountain
Roy
at
Mount
Royal
University
we're
giving
them
additional
funding,
and
that
was
in
last
year's
budget
as
well
to
repurpose
some
underutilized
space
I,
think
that
was
going
to
be
able
to
add
an
additional
thousand
student
spaces.
If,
if
I
remember
correctly
so
we're,
we
are
making
sure
that
we
have
the
funding
in
place.
I
We
have
the
physical
infrastructure
capacity
in
place
to
be
able
to
accommodate
continued
growth
and
just
coming
back
to
your
point
about
rankings
yeah,
you
know
our
institutions
are
are
world
class
and
they
they
continue
to
do
incredibly
well.
I
mentioned
that
you
see
the
University
of
Alberta
as
well
moved
up
seven
places
from
last
year
in
in
rankings
and
and
18
places
up
from
2020.,
so
they've
been
able
to
to
keep
pressing
up
and
again.
Those
rankings
are
objective.
I
Evaluation
of
of
quality
of
programming
research
has
been
named,
the
one
of
the
top
five
research
colleges
in
Canada
for
2022
and
and
again
there.
You
know
we
we've
had
to
make
some
challenging
corrections,
but
our
institutions
continue
to
receive
funding
levels
that
are
in
line
with
other
provinces.
I
Just
just
to
note
note
the
number
again
in
terms
of
operating
funding
per
full
load
equivalent,
the
average
from
2020
2021,
and
this
is
objective
information
from
Canadian
associate
Association
of
University
business
officers
in
2020
2021,
the
average
across
the
u15
in
provincial
operating
funding
per
FTE
was
10
265..
At
that
time,
the
University
of
Alberta
was
at
13
950.
I
The
University
of
Calgary
was
up
13
438,
so
we
continue
to
to
do
quite
well
and
of
course,
the
those
those
latest
figures
are
are
a
couple
of
years
old.
But
but
we
continue
to
be,
you
know
forecasted.
Those
numbers
suggest
that
we
continue
to
be
north
of
that
that
u15
number
and
continue
to
provide
exceptional
high
quality
learning
experience.
J
Think
right.
But
to
get
to
that
place,
we
had
the
largest
increase
in
tuition
in
our
traits
in
our
polytechnics,
in
our
colleges,
our
universities
in
Canada,
and
so
you
know,
I
mean
that's
shock
treatments
based
on
this
austerity
approach
to
post-secondary
when
I
would
argue
and
I
think
the
majority
of
albertans
would
agree
that
an
investment
dollar
into
post-secondary
pays
the
best
exponential
returns
that
any
Investments
could
be
achieved
from
this
provincial
government
right.
J
Of
course,
this
Minister's
been
living
on
borrowed
time
of
the
integrity
and
the
hard
work
that
everyone
has
done
to
compensate
for
the
record
cuts
that
post-secondary
has
endured
here
in
the
province
of
Alberta
over
the
last
four
years,
and
you
know
it's,
it
has
to
stop
I
mean.
Certainly
our
government
would
repair
the
damage
to
funding
to
our
colleges,
universities
and
polytechnics,
and
to
ensure
that
there's
affordable
access
to
tuition
to
schools
for
everyone,
every
albertan
who
wants
to
go
to
school.
So
my
perhaps
last
question
of
this
section.
J
If
I
can
move
over
to
post-secondary
transition
rates,
last
year's
strategic
plan,
your
government
cited
that
a
clear
indicator
of
success
would
be
post-secondary
transition
in
the
Years.
This
year's
strategic
plan-
this
seems
to
have
completely
disappeared,
and
you
can
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong,
since
that's
the
theme
of
the
morning
here
and
but
you
know
it's
absence
from
the
Strategic
plan
this
year.
So
I
want
to
ask,
because
you
know:
I
was
the
minister
of
K-12
education
and
I'm.
A
teacher
and
I
got
kids.
J
You
know
the
whole
thing
right.
How
can
we
improve
that
number?
Do
you
have
a
specific
plan
to
increase
the
the
movement
of
high
school
graduates
into
post-secondary
positions
right?
A
lot
of
that
is
getting
it's
just
getting
in
the
way
is
the
scarcity
of
positions
at
various
faculties
and
I
know
you
talk
about
this
10
000
spaces
that
you're
creating
the
largest
targeted
I.
Think
you
use
the
word.
Expansion
of
of
spaces
I
mean,
of
course,
that's
the
big
qualifier
right.
J
It's
the
largest
targeted
one
right
I
mean
you
know
in
proportion
to
the
population
and
need
coming
up
the
next
year.
Five
years
I
mean
those
numbers
are,
are,
can
be
completely
different
right.
So
scarcity
of
seats
available
great
Point
averages
required
to
enter
places
like
education
and
engineer,
engineering
and
other
areas
of
study
are
wildly
unacceptable.
Right.
J
You
are
ending
up
to
excluding
many
qualified
and
capable
students
that
are
in
high
school
right
now.
Training
students
in
post-secondary
and
retaining
their
talent
is
absolutely
Paramount
to
Growing
our
economy.
It's
the
best
interest.
The
government
can
make
to
make
sure
that
we're
not
losing
talent
and
we're
not
you
know,
losing
our
potential.
So
how
is
the
government
planning
to
address
this
issue?
I
know
you
talked
about,
but
I
mean
specifically
8.
I
I'll
try
to
be
quick
because
I
think
I
only
have
20
seconds
left.
Yeah
we'll
have
to
come
back
to
this
I
guess
at
a
next
round,
but
maybe
just
quickly
in
the
15
seconds
that
I
have
in
Fall
of
2022.
88
of
qualified
applicants
were
offered
admission
into
a
program
which
has
been
relatively
stable
for
the
past
six
years
and
of
all
applicants.
62
percent
of
applicants
submit
only
one
application
and
again
88
of
them
receive
good.
B
Thank
you
Minister.
That
concludes
the
first
portion
of
questions
for
the
official
opposition.
We
will
now
move
to
the
government
caucus
for
20
minutes
of
questions
from
the
members,
after
which
we
will
have
our
five
minute
break.
I
believe
Emily
Rosewell
is
up.
Would
you
like
to
combine
your
time
with
the
minister
I
would
yeah
that's
acceptable.
D
The
promise
was,
if
we
get
our
budget
in
order,
we'll
come
back
and
do
that
and
that's
kind
of
where
we
are
today
so
I
won't
ask
the
same
questions
but
I'm,
just
wondering
in
the
process.
I
know
Lakeland
College
in
my
riding
does
a
really
good
job.
They
take
what
what
the
ministry
draws
up
and
they
adjust
their
business
plan
in
order
to
meet
it,
and
they
do
very
well.
You
know,
like
they
they're
they're
great
managers
of
money,
so
so
I
was
just
curious.
I
Price
yeah
yeah,
so
maybe
maybe
just
a
little
bit
a
little
bit
of
context.
You
know,
as
I
mentioned
2017
or
2018,
the
post-secondary
learning
Act
was
amended
and
a
cap
on
tuition
was
brought
in
place
that
tied
tuition
increases
to
CPI.
So
what
would
happen?
Is
you
know
the
ministry
would
look
at
the
previous
years,
a
final
CPI
rate
and
then
communicate
that
to
the
universities
and
say:
okay:
CPI
landed
at
3.2
percent.
I
So
we
are
currently
right
now,
as
we
speak,
operating
back
under
the
original
tuition
cap,
which
again
sets
tuition
rates
at
previous
years.
Cpi.
Of
course,
inflation
is
through
the
roof
and
so
that
final
number
from
last
year
has
been
five
and
a
half
percent.
So
under
the
legislative
framework,
that's
in
place,
that
is
the
maximum
that
universities
and
colleges
can
increase
tuition
by.
I
But
what
what
that
has
really
demonstrated
to
me
is
that
we're
not
we're
not
providing
students
with
adequate
and
families
with
adequate
stability
and
predictability
and
again,
over
the
course
of
four
years.
One
of
the
things
that
our
student
leaders
have
advocated
for
very
consistently
has
been
stability
and
predictability
in
tuition
prices.
So
I
started
to
take
a
very
close
look
at
tuition
policy.
I
If
we
have
a
cap
that
measures
or
that
determines
the
maximum
allowable
tuition
rate
based
on
last
year's
CPI
that
can
swing,
it
could
be
three
percent
one
year.
It
could
be
four
percent.
It
could
go
from
two
percent
to
as
much
as
five
percent
as
we're
seeing
right
now.
That
can
swing
wildly
depending
on
global
and
macroeconomic
and
National
parameters
and
issues
that
are
outside
of
our
control,
and
that
does
not
give
students,
stability
and
predictability.
I
So
that's
why
we've
opted
to
make
that
change
and
change
the
cap
so
that
it
is
a
flat
two
percent
that
will
give
students,
stability
and
predictability
as
well
as
I
mentioned.
It
will
give
students
the
most
predictability
with
tuition
rates
that
I
think
the
province
has
ever
had
I
believe
the
first
time
a
cap
or
anything
related
to
to
regulation.
Around
tuition
was
brought
in
in
2017.
prior
to
that
I
think
it
was
largely
unregulated
and
universities
could
just
charge
whatever
they
wanted.
I
I
There
are
strict
regulations
in
place
that
stipulate
before
an
increase
can
go
ahead.
There
must
be
detailed
and
adequate
consultation
with
student
leaders
that
continues
to
remain
the
case.
Institutions
are
legally
required
and
obligated
to
consult
extensively
with
student
leaders
before
they
make
a
final
proposals
and
of
course
it
is
ultimately
the
Board
of
Governors,
of
our
individual
universities
and
colleges
who
make
the
final
decision.
The
government
does
not
tell
individual
institutions
what
rates
they
should
charge.
We
leave
that
up
to
them.
I
I
They
run
their
operations,
they
know
best
and
and
of
course,
On
The
Board
of
Governors,
who
has
the
finals
say
there
is
a
student
representation
on
those
boards.
They
have
a
voice
throughout
that
entire
process
and
and
the
budget
consultation
and
tuition
consultation
that
occurs
individually
at
individual
institutions
as
they
get
to
that
point,
helps
to
ensure
that
they're
involved
in
the
process,
so
sorry,
maybe
long-winded
I,
hope
I
addressed
your
points.
D
There
yeah,
no
that's
great,
that's
that's!
That's
kind
of
what
I
needed
to
know
relative
to
the
loans
that
students
get
and
and
helping
helping
them
on
I
know.
You
mentioned
you
moved
from
six
months
to
12
months
and
that's
pretty
rarified
air
relative
to
around
Canada,
which
is
which
is
great
to
see
I
just
want
to.
If
you
can
go
into
some
detail,
describing
what
those
changes
are
and
when
they
come
into
effect
and
how
they
will
help
the
graduates
and
then
the
other
question
is
Central.
D
I
A
good
point
rates
are
going
up
quite
quite
quickly
and,
of
course,
this
this
affects,
you
know
any
anybody
who's
a
borrower,
a
mortgage
holder,
student
loan,
borrower
and
I
don't
want
to
get
into
the
go
down
a
rabbit
hole
into
the
macroeconomic
policies,
of
course,
associated
with
inflation
rates
and
a
corresponding
interest
rate
increases
in
Bank
of
Canada
decisions.
But
you
know
that's
that's
primarily
driven
due
to
to
macroeconomic
Global
and
National
forces,
and
we
I
we've
seen
some
worrying
things
at
a
national
level.
I
Continued
increases
in
taxes,
spending
that
are
driving
continue
to
create
a
challenging
inflationary
environment
that
is
contributing
to
those
pressures
and
it's
contributing
to
the
Bank
of
Canada
having
to
increase
interest
rates.
So
I
do
worry
significantly
about
what's
happening
at
a
national
level
and
and
a
financial
and
fiscal
decisions
that
are
being
made
there.
That
being
said,
you
know
we
have
to.
We
have
to
operate
within
that
context,
and
we
we
have
seen
interest
rates,
increase
So
currently
and
to
get
back
to
the
specifics
of
your
question.
I
Currently,
student
interest
rate
is
set
at
prime
plus
one
percent,
so
whatever
the
prime
rate
is
that's,
of
course,
detailed
out
by
the
Bank
of
Canada
and
and
an
additional
one
percent
to
help
alleviate
and
provide
students
with
inflation
relief.
We
will
be
changing
that
rate
from
prime
plus
1
to
Prime
and
that
Olan
can
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong,
but
that
that
comes
into
effect
on
July
1st,
and
that
applies
to
all
current
borrowers
and
any
future
borrowers
so
they'll
be
able
to
see
that
that
relief.
I
So
we're
going
to
we'll
be
quite
generous
in
that
regard
of
giving
students
a
12
months,
giving
graduates
12
months
to
benefit
and
if
I
remember
correctly,
they
it's
approximately
about
57
000
students
who
who
graduate
every
year
that'll
be
able
to
to
benefit
from
that
and
I
think.
That's
really
helpful
because
of
course,
as
as
we
all
know,
I
think
a
lot
of
us
have
been
through
that
period.
You're.
I
Oh
and
can
correct,
may
see
him
nodding
his
head,
so
I
think
I'm
on
the
money
there.
In
addition,
we're
also
changing
the
parameters
around
the
repayment
assistance
program.
So
the
repayment
repayment
assistance
program
exists
for
student
loan
borrowers
who
are
having
difficulty
and
trouble
making
their
their
payments.
I
They
can
apply
to
Alberta
student
aid
and
they
can
receive
assistance
in
their
repayments,
their
their
amounts
can
be
lowered
and
other
other
parameters
be
provided
to
them
right
now,
in
order
to
qualify
for
the
repayment
assistance
program,
you
have
to
have
income
of
twenty
five
thousand
dollars
or
less
so
we're
bumping
that
up
to
to
40,
or
was
it
forty,
five
thousand
forty
thousand,
so
that
that
will
and
again.
Similarly,
that
comes
into
effect
on
July,
1st
and
that'll
open
it
up.
C
I
Advantage
of
the
repayment
assistance
program,
because
we
hope
everyone
is
able
to
complete
their
studies
and
get
into
a
good
paying
job
and
career
and
and
not
have
to
struggle.
But
the
reality
is
you
know.
Sometimes,
students
need
that
and
graduates
need
that
additional
assistance,
so
by
expanding
it
to
40
000
more
people
will
be
able
to
take
advantage
of
that
program
if
they
need
it.
I
You
know
it's
an
important
safety
net
to
catch
you
if,
if
you're
in
a
really
challenging
situation,
and
in
addition,
as
I
mentioned
earlier,
we're
also
increasing
the
award
amounts
for
the
Alberta
student
grad.
The
Alberta
student
grant
is
a
grant,
that's
specifically
tailored
and
made
available
to
low-income
students.
I
think
we
can
all
agree.
You
know
costs
shouldn't
shouldn't
get
in
the
way
and
the
Alberta
student
grant
is.
D
D
D
It's
a
great
answer:
he
objective
1.1
of
the
business
plan
is
to
implement
initiatives
under
Alberta
2030.,
building
skills
for
job
strategy,
to
transform
the
adult
learning
system
and
focus
on
providing
high
quality
education
skills
and
training
needs
for
Alberta's
future.
How
does
budget
2003
align
with
Alberta
2030
strategy.
I
And
you
know,
as
I
mentioned
in
in
my
opening
remarks,
one
of
the
things
that
the
McKinnon
panel
noted
and
if,
if
I
can
remember
their
recommendation
or
their
conclusions
from
their
analysis,
was
that
the
and
I'm
paraphrasing
here
was
that
the
post-secondary
system
appears
to
lack
overall
strategic,
Direction
and
coordination.
That
was
again
I'm
paraphrasing
from
that
report
from
four
years
ago,
but
that
was
the
broad
broad
Strokes
of
their
of
their
findings.
I
So
we
took
that
to
heart
and
we
we
got
to
work
and
undertaken
next
very
extensive
consultation
effort.
We
had
one-on-one
I
think
it
was
over
a
hundred
one-on-one
interviews
with
individual
stakeholders,
be
they
post-secondary,
presidents,
student
leaders
or
other
other
groups.
We
had
Roundtable
discussions,
we
had
public
and
open
Town
Halls
where
hundreds
of
individuals
participated.
We
had
surveys.
I
Well,
one
of
the
areas
that
that
the
Alberta
2030
strategic
plan
talks
about
is
the
need
to
increase
accessibility
and
affordability.
That's
actually
the
first
pillar
of
the
Alberta
2030
strategy.
So
we've
just
talked
at
length
about
some
of
the
affordability
elements
that
that
we've
introduced
to
help
meet
those
objectives.
I
A
15
increase
from
the
last
budget,
so
we
are
doing
that
and
we
are
increasing
non-repayable
student
financial
assistance
coming
back
to
the
point
about
accessibility
and
making
sure
that
students
have
the
options
and
the
availability
we're
investing,
as
I
mentioned
in
the
past
189
million
over
three
years
to
create
seats
in
those
in-demand
programs
and
again
just
for
clarity.
We're
not
picking
these
programs
out
of
a
hat,
we're
looking
objectively,
where
are
the
enrollment
pressures?
Where
are
we
Turning
Away
qualified
applicants?
I
And,
furthermore,
what
does
our
labor
market
data
tell
us
about
areas
where
we
are
projected
to
have
shortages?
Who
were
projected
to
have
shortages
in
in
in
nursing,
in
construction
in
Engineering
in
other
areas?
So
we're
going
to
go?
Look
at
increasing
spaces
in
those
programs
so
that
we
don't
have
shortages
in
those
areas
so
that
that
helps
to
address
the
the
priorities
in
Alberta
2030
again
it
talks
about
increasing
accessibility,
increasing
affordability
and
I.
I
Think
you
know
all
those
measures
that
I
just
mentioned
help
tick
a
lot
of
the
boxes,
and
you
know
when
we
developed
the
Strategic
plan.
It
was
critically
important
that
we
didn't
just
develop
this
and
kind
of
put
it
on
a
shelf
somewhere
and
then
forget
about
it,
but
that
we're
constantly
coming
back
to
it,
structuring
our
budget
structuring
other
operations
in
a
way
that
helps
ensures
that
we're
moving
the
needle
and
we
have
moved
the
needle
in
a
lot
of
areas
as
it
relates
to
the
Alberta
2030
plan.
D
I
I
Now
as
a
direct
result
of
the
target
enrollment
expansion,
we
are
no
longer
projected
to
have
shortages
of
health
care
aids.
So
we
are
evaluating
our
success
by
continuing
to
look
at
those
those
labor
market
forecasts
and
determine
a
success.
We've
also
been
able
to
slash
the
forecasted
shortage
of
other
areas
by
almost
50
percent,
whether
that's
in
in
nursing
and
in
non-trades,
construction
and
engineering
and
in
other
areas.
So
those
are
the
benchmarks
that
we
use
as
as
variables
of
success.
B
B
B
B
A
A
A
B
Okay,
thank
you
committee.
We
returned
a
called
meeting
back
order.
We
now
move
to
five
minutes
of
questions
from
the
official
opposition,
followed
by
five
minutes
of
response
from
the
minister.
As
mentioned,
members
are
asked
to
advise
the
chair
at
the
beginning
of
their
rotation
if
they
wish
to
combine
their
time
with
The
Minister's
time
and.
E
B
Also,
please
remember
members
that
discussion
should
flow
through
the
chair
at
all
times,
regardless
of
whether
or
not
speaking
time
is
combined
very
simple.
It's
essentially
third
person
conversation
and
so
with
that
I
will
turn
the
floor
over
to
Emily
again
for
oh,
oh
sorry,
that's
right.
Okay,
I
I
would
ask
for
Miss
scoring
to
introduce
yourself
for
the
record
thanks.
K
B
I
I
They
give
feedback
and
we-
and
we
talk
about
certain
metrics-
that
we
would
like
to
include
and
they
provide
their
recommendations,
and
sometimes
you
tell
us
that
no
those
ones
won't
work
or
that
those
metrics
would
be
really
problematic
and
we
take
their
advice
to
heart
and
we
work
on
developing
different
metrics.
So
the
real
exercise
here
is
that
this
is
intended
to
be.
You
know,
an
instrument
of
accountability.
Of
course,
the
government
provides
1.9
billion
dollars
in
taxpayer,
funds
to
our
26,
publicly
funded
post-secondary
institutions
and
through
the
investment
management
agreement.
I
The
government
is
simply
saying-
and
in
return
for
that
investment
we're
hoping
to
see
the
University
or
college
achieve
X,
Y
and
Z,
and
there
are
tolerance,
bans
established
around
the
individual
metrics
and
it's
not
an
all
or
nothing.
You
know.
If
you
don't
hit
your
target,
you
lose.
You
know
hundreds
of
millions
of
dollars
or
tens
of
millions
of
dollars
there.
There
are
tolerance
bans.
I
So
if
you
don't
exactly
hit
a
mark
but
you're
pretty
close,
you
know
that
that'll
be
good
enough
and
as
well,
if
you're
really
far
outside
of
your
your
metric
or
your
target,
any
proportion
of
funding
that
would
be
reduced
is
is
scalable
to
the
proportion
of
achievement.
So
it's
it's
not
an
All
or
Nothing
type
of
thing
and
again
just
intended
to
be
a
a
mechanism
to
clearly
have
a
conversation
and
communicate
with
institutions
about
what
government
is
looking
for
the
institutions
to
achieve
in
return
for
their
funding.
J
J
Certainly
our
new
democrat
government
would
not
impose
this
performance-based
funding
model.
We
would
get
rid
of
it.
I've
heard
it's
universally,
not
accepted
by
colleges,
universities
and
polytechnics
across
this
province
and
really
I
think
it's
a
diversion
from
what
we
really
need
to
do,
which
is
properly
fund
to
repair
the
damage
in
the
cuts
of
the
last
four
years
and
builds
a
university
and
Polytechnic
and
college
system
that
we
can
all
be
proud
of
and
to
send
our
kids
to.
I
Well,
I
I'm,
very
proud
of
the
system
that
we
have.
You
know,
as
I
mentioned
earlier,
that
our
universities
and
colleges
and
polytechnics
receive
incredible,
Global
accolades
and
awards
and
are
continuing
to
move
up
in
the
rankings
year
over
year.
So
I'm
incredibly
proud
of
the
post-secondary
system
that
we
have
with
respect
to
to
funding
you
know,
I
think
we
had
talked
a
little
bit
about
that.
I
I
To
your
question
about
am
I,
aware
of
any
institution
that
does
not
have
performance,
metrics,
no
I,
think
all
of
them
do
all
of
them
evaluate
their
operations
against
some
of
those,
some
of
their
own
internal
metrics,
which
is,
which
is
why
the
performance-based
funding
model
Investment
Management
agreements
makes
sense
because
they
already
have
metrics.
They
already
have
targets,
they
already
work
towards
achieving
those
they
already
collect
the
data
they
already
report
on
those.
I
J
Thank
you,
and
certainly
I
would
like
to
move
on
to
next
topic,
but
you
know
just
just
a
final
comment
around
that
I
mean
you
can
govern
and
to
assist
the
growth
of
our
post-secondary
systems
based
on
a
a
environment
of
trust.
Right
and
well.
We
can
see
individual
institutions
with
their
performance-based
measurements
and
their
achievements,
as
described
by
the
minister
in
regards
to
our
rankings
in
international
circumstances
of
reputation
and
so
forth.
J
So
while
the
minister
made
some
announcements
as
I
say,
which
are
great,
the
capital
expenditure
has
left
Alberta's
colleges,
universities
and
polytechnics
with
a
large
inventory
of
buildings,
for
example,
that
require
maintenance
and
renovation
and,
of
course,
building
new
spaces
to
educate.
The
thousands
of
young
people
that
are
in
grade
school
right
now,
so
increasing
enrollment
is,
is
vital
to
ensure
opportunities
for
the
future
for
our
economic
future
and
opportunities
for
young
people.
But
do
we
have
the
capacity
to
expand
with.
B
F
F
How
you
are
working
collaboratively
together,
so
on
page
eight,
it
says
that
Alberta's
government
is
building
a
stronger,
Health
Care
system
that
has
the
right
supports
in
place
for
albertans
to
get
the
care
they
need
when
and
where
they
need
it
and
being
the
MLA
for
Grand
Prairie
the
where
they
need.
It
is
particularly
of
interest
to
me,
given
that
we
know
we
have
challenges
attracting
and
retaining
physicians
in
rural
Alberta,
and
certainly
in
my
constituency
of
Grand
Prairie.
So
I
would
also
like
to
on
page
89
of
the
fiscal
plan.
F
It
talks
about
targeted
enrollment
for
healthcare.
Expansion
continues
with
government's
commitment
to
address
critical
shortages
for
Physicians
and
nurses,
and
will
increase
the
number
of
seats
available
for
medical
degrees
at
the
University
of
Alberta
and
the
University
of
Calgary.
So
I
have
a
couple
of
questions
around
this.
F
First
of
all,
I
guess
I
just
wanted
to
ask
through
through
the
chair,
if
the
minister
can
give
the
committee
some
details
on
what
exactly
maybe
by
institution
and
possibly
by
year,
if
you
can,
at
this
expansion
of
doctor
training,
will
look
like
at
Alberta's
two
medical
schools
and
What's
the
total
impact
you're
looking
to
see
I
guess
over
the
next
five
years.
If
you
can.
I
F
Excellent,
thank
you
to
the
minister
through
the
chair
to
follow
up
on
those
questions
again
being
from
Grand
Prairie.
My
concern
is
that
when
our
students
from
the
rural
areas
go
to
the
two
metros
and
train,
they
often
find
their
spouse
there
or
some
other
interest,
and
they
don't.
They
don't
come
home
again
to
work
as
physicians
in
the
rural
areas.
F
So
I'm
just
wondering
if
there's
been
some
thought
put
into
how
adding
these
seats
at
the
two
schools
in
the
Metros
will
improve
physician
attraction
and
retention
in
rural
I
realize
this
is
more
a
health
question
than
an
advanced
education
question,
but
I
think
they
go
hand
in
glove
in
terms
of
what
the
impact
will
be.
I
know
there's
been
some
initiatives
in
Grand
Prairie
in
particular,
to
look
at
collaborative
training,
approaches
we're
bringing
a
health
home
Clinic
into
the
community
in
the
next
couple
of
months.
F
That's
going
to
work
collaboratively
with
the
University
of
Alberta,
so
I'm
just
wondering
if
the
minister
can
comment
on
what
the
long-term
goal
is
and
at
one
point
I
know
there
was
discussion
about
having
some
seats
in
the
physician
training
in
particular
that
were
allocated
to
rural
students
and
I.
Just
would
like
to
hear
your
comments
on
that
as
well.
I
As
you
said,
you
know
you
come
to
Calgary
Edmonton,
you
go
to
a
different
city,
you
move
somewhere
yeah,
you
meet
someone,
something
else
happens
and
you
end
up
staying
there
and
then
circumstances
might
change.
Sometimes
and
and
again,
I
am
a
firm
believer
of
working
to
get
those
educational
training
opportunities
into
specific
communities.
So
we
we've
been
talking
extensively
with
the
University
of
Calgary
and
the
University
of
Alberta.
I
Again
I
think
it's
it's
best
to
let
you
know,
experts
in
that
space,
help
to
to
drive
and
dictate
policy,
and-
and
you
know
they
are
experts
in
medical
training
and
they
are
the
home
of
our
two
medical
schools.
So
I
I
defer
quite
a
bit
to
their
expertise
and
judgment.
So
one
of
the
things
that
they
have
brought
forward
to
us
is
the
idea
of
developing
Regional
Health
training
centers,
which
I
think
is
really
exciting,
and
we
have.
We
are
funding.
I
I
was
very
happy
to
to
provide
that,
because
I
do
believe
strongly
in
creating
educational
opportunities
in
our
communities.
So
I'm
hopeful
that
this
exploration
goes
well
and
we
can
have
a
more
robust
proposal
in
the
future
to
to
Really
build
out
this
model,
and
hopefully,
if
it
works
in
the
Grand,
Prairie
and
Lethbridge,
we
can.
We
can
roll
it
out
to
even
more
jurisdiction
or
more
municipalities
in
the
future.
Thank.
F
You
to
the
minister
through
the
chair,
I,
really
appreciate
the
thought,
leadership
and
I
just
wanted
to
give
a
shout
out
to
Dr
kunimoto
from
University
of
Alberta
for
his
work
in
helping
to
lead
collaborative
efforts
right
across
the
province.
I
think
it's
going
to
change
the
face
of
Healthcare
in
Alberta
and
I
think
it's
very
exciting
for
for
all
albertans.
So
that
said,
I
want
to
draw
your
attention
again
to
page
89
on
the
fiscal
plan.
I
know
we're
running
out
of
time.
I'll
be
quick.
F
I
Yeah
sure
so
we're
agreed-
and
this
is
an
area
where
I
I
think
it's
it's
it's
challenging
because
I
think
it's
really
concerning
if
we
have
internationally
educated
nurses
here
in
our
Province
who
are
trained
as
nurses,
but
they
cannot
operate
at
their
full
skill
level
because
of
of
delays
and
accreditation
or
even
ability
to
get
into
into
bridging
programs.
Recently
at
Mount
Royal.
I
You
know,
I
spoke
with
a
student,
her
name
was
Hannah
from
Lebanon
and
she
had
waited
I
think
it
was
about
five
years
to
be
able
to
get
into
Mount
Royal
University's
bridging
program
so
that
her
credentials
can
can
match
the
Canadian,
equivalency
and
standards.
So
that's
a
problem
that
we
shouldn't
have
and
that's
specifically
why
we
have
invested.
I
We
have
invested
22
million
over
three
years
to
expand
bridging
programs
at
our
colleges,
because
an
internationally
educated
nurse
should
not
have
to
wait
five
years
before
they
can
get
into
into
a
program
and
in
addition
to
that,
we've
also
announced
the
creation
of
a
new
bursary,
specifically
for
internationally
educated
nurses
to
help
them
cover
some
of
the
costs
associated
with
fees,
licensing
and
cost
of
living.
But
in
more
more
specifically
600
new
seats
in
bridging
programs
will
be
created.
I
215
six
new
seats
for
the
registered
nurse
bridging
program
will
be
added
at
Mount
Royal
University
120
new
seats
will
be
added
at
Bow
Valley
College
for
the
licensed
practical
nurse
bridging
program
and
similarly
250
new
seats
will
be
created
at
NorQuest
College
also
for
their
licensed
practical
nurse.
Bridging
program.
F
Very
helpful
we
have
very
little
time
left.
I
guess
I
just
wanted
to
touch
a
little
bit
on
the
memorandum
of
understanding
announced
last
October
with
the
government
of
the
Philippines
just
looking
to
know
what
other
initiatives
the
government's
undertaking
to
attract
internationally
educated
nurses
or
to
for
those
that
are
already
here.
How
do
we
get
them
into
those
bridging
programs?
Yeah.
I
B
Thank
you,
as
we
now
moved
to
official
opposition
questions,
and
we
will
continue
with
combined
time
through
the
duration
of
the
meeting
as
long
as
that's
acceptable
to
each
participant,
but
participants
will
have
no
longer
than
five
minutes
to
speak
at
any.
Given
time
with
that
Emily
again,
you
can
continue.
J
The
I'll
I'll
get
back
to
the
last
question
just
briefly
in
regards
to
Capital
funding,
and
you
know
our
calculation
based
on
population
increase
and
inflation
would
suggest
that
we
have
a
20
420
million
dollar
shortfall
of
for
Capitol
Building
at
the
time
when
we
really
need
it.
The
most,
describing
these
very
ambitious
plans
that
the
minister
has
in
regards
to
building
spaces,
for
example
in
NorQuest,
for
LPN,
bridging
programs
and
so
forth.
J
Right,
a
place
like
that
has
no
more
space
now,
and
you
know,
we
need
to
make
sure
that
we're
not
just
announcing
things
without
the
infrastructure
that
can
be
available
and
the
Staffing
that
is
required
as
well.
I
mean
all
of
these
things,
cost
money
and,
as
I
say,
our
Alberta
new
democrat
government
would
ensure
that
we're
providing
the
spaces
that
we
need
for
our
growing
enrollment
population
and
that
we
would
ensure
that
that
it
is
Affordable
for
students,
regardless
of
where
they
live
in
the
province.
And
so
so.
J
J
J
This
are
predicated
with
the
extraordinary
inflation
that
we
see
that
everyone
has
to
deal
with,
including
universities,
polytechnics
and
and
colleges,
and
so
you
know,
even
if
you
have
a
flat
number
right,
you're
basing
this
this
Budget
on,
and
perhaps
you
can
help
me
with
that.
What
what
inflationary
CPI
number
are
you
using
to
kind
of
backstop
your
your
budget.
I
Yeah
well,
there's
a
couple
pieces
to
that
number
one.
We
we've
had
some
large
capital
projects
that
have
been
now
fully
funded
and
completed
that
that
have
come
off,
but
we
are
continuing
to
invest
in
in
infrastructure.
But
of
course
it's
always
it's
always
a
balance.
We
we
have
a
lot
of
infrastructure
in
the
post-secondary
system.
I
We
have
a
lot
of
deferred
maintenance,
so
we
need
to
make
sure
that
we
are
managing
that
deferred
maintenance,
that
we
are
investing
to
our
institutions
at
our
institutions
to
be
able
to
upgrade
maintain
the
current
infrastructure
that
they
have
to
that
effect.
We've
increased
funding
in
to
Capital
maintenance
and
renewal,
because
we
want
to
extend
the
life
of
the
existing
assets
and
infrastructure
that
we
have
as
much
as
possible
and,
in
addition,
adding
adding
additional
infrastructure
space.
Where
necessary.
We
talked
about
the
University
of
Calgary
School
of
veterinary
medicine.
I
We
need
more
vets
and
they
are
turning
away
qualified
applicants,
so
we
have
provided
I,
think
was
it
just
under
60
million
dollars
to
which
will
effectively
help
double
the
number
of
vet
grads
at
the
school.
Also,
we
mentioned
the
McEwen
University
School
of
Business
that
allowed
spaces
for
7
500
students
and
other
projects,
I
mentioned
at
Mount
Royal
University,
that's
going
to
add
space
for
approximately
a
thousand
students
once
they're
finished
repurposing
unused
space.
J
Thank
you.
No
I
appreciate
that
and
I
mean
the
I
guess
the
the
the
main
issue
that
I'm
just
bringing
up
is
that
with
a
lack
of
funds.
You
know
it
sort
of
undermines
any
grants,
plans
and
Ambitions
of
announcements
right.
So
you
know
just
we
need
the
spaces.
We
need
the
maintenance
we
need
to
build
capacity.
Certainly
we
would
do
do
so
as
as
government
and
I
think
there's
a
high
expectation
for
that
amongst
our
young
population.
J
So
I
want
to
move
to
tuition,
and
this
is
a
another
question
that
I
got
from
the
University
of
Calgary.
While
tuition
is
capped
to
two
percent
from
2024
onwards,
students
pay
tuition
by
another
name
through
mandatory
non-instructional
fees.
These
fees
can
be
increased
to
cost
recovery
and
there
are
very
few
limitations
how
these
dollars
might
be
used.
Universities
will
likely
increase
fees
at
a
greater
rate
to
compensate
for
any
losses
due
to
a
tuition
cap
unless
a
government
backstops
the
difference.
If
fees
are
not
included,
the
tuition
cap
is
meaningless.
I
Well,
they
they
are
legislated
and
regulated
separately.
The
the
two
percent
cap
and
and
the
legislation
that
exists
is
only
around
domestic
tuition.
There
are
additional
regulations
that
let
me
a
quick
step
back.
There's
no
legislation.
Currently
that
dictates
or
provides
parameters
around
non-instructional
fees.
There
are
regulations
that
do
provide
details
about
non-instructional
fees
and
how
those
exist-
and
there
are
some
tight
rules
in
the
regulations
about
a
University's
ability
to
be
able
to
introduce
new,
mandatory
non-instructional
fees
and
or
increase
them.
I
Look
at
those
regulations
in
the
future
to
see
if,
if
there
are
any
gaps,
if
there
are
any
holes
and
to
potentially
look
at
you
know
providing
some
clarifying
language
or
or
additional
goal
posts
around
the
the
mandatory
non-instructional
fees,
if
necessary,
so
yeah,
I'm,
very
open
and
committed
to
to
taking
a
close
look
at
at
that
regulation
have
a
look
at
the
language
and
you
know
and
go
from
there
and
and
see
if
anything
can
be
done.
Thank.
J
You
so
Mr
chair,
the
minister
said
quite
often
that
finances
shouldn't
be
a
a
barrier
to
post-secondary
education,
but
he's
responsible
for
tuition
increases
that
we've
seen
since
2019..
In
addition,
the
financial
aid
announced
by
the
minister,
like
the
new
beginnings,
bursary
targets
certain
academic
Fields
by
while
ignoring
others.
J
How
can
the
minister
claim
the
finances
should
not
be
a
barrier
while
he's
still
picking
winners
and
losers
to
receive
financial
support,
and
this
individual
goes
on
to
say
that
Ministries
business
plan
clearly
states
that
the
ministry's
advanced
education
is
responsible
for
adult
learning
system
that
provides
accessible,
affordable
and
high
quality
education,
and
so
this
is
the
first
sentence
of
the
plan.
It's
like
a
mission
statement
accessible
and
affordable.
So
why
is
it
students
face
such
immense
Financial
barriers
right
now.
J
The
financial
worries
of
students
in
a
large
part,
as
a
result
of
the
government's
actions
on
tuition,
increasing
other
fees
and
so
forth,
and
how
does
that
fit
into
providing
an
affordable
education
and
accessibility
for
all
students
who
want
to
to
go
to
school?
Certainly,
as
I've
said
a
few
times
here
this
morning,
that
certainly
our
government
would
ensure
that
all
albertans
can
have
access
to
Affordable
education
and
tuition
here
in
the
province.
I
I
F
So
I'm
going
to
give
you
I
think
three
questions
because
I'm
going
to
try
not
to
hog
all
the
time,
I
wanted
to
ask
through
the
chair
Minister
what
investments
are
being
made
for
Grand
Prairie
to
benefit
our
economy
and
get
our
students
the
high
paying
jobs
they're
asking
for.
So
that's
my
first
question
and
then
I
believe
the
investment
is
a
two-year
investment.
Once
you
outline
it,
will
this
lab
be
fully
functional
in
benefiting
the
students
and
economy
of
Grand
Prairie
by
year?
Three-
and
my
final
question
is,
would
you
say
this?
F
I
If
memory
serves
me
correct
that
we
have
allocated
to
Power,
Engineering
and
instrumentation,
the
development
of
a
new
power
instrumentation
Lab
at
at
I
was
going
to
say
Grand
Prairie
college
at
Northwestern,
Polytechnic
and
yeah,
and
that
I
think
that
was
the
institution's
top
Capital
ask
was
to
to
allocate
that
space
and
and
to
develop
that
new,
that
new
power
instrumentation
lab.
So
we
we
are
funding
that
we
are
committed
to
that,
as
I
mentioned
before.
I
If
it
gets
critically
important
that
we
are
investing
both
from
a
program
basis
and
from
an
infrastructure
basis
in
in
our
in
all
of
our
communities,
you
know,
there's
no
significant
benefit
to
you
know
just
having
all
of
this
delivered
in
Calgary
or
Edmonton.
We
need
to
make
sure
that
local
programming,
high
quality
programming,
is
available
in
our
individual
communities.
In
addition,
which
I
think
was
the
first
part
of
your
question,
we
are
also
investing
to
expand
spaces
at
you
know
all
of
our
universities
and
colleges.
I
I
More
specifically,
they
received
a
95
new
spaces
in
the
collaborative
Bachelor
of
Science
in
nursing,
so
we'll
be
able
to
train
more
nurses
right
there
in
in
Grand
Prairie
and
in
addition,
48
additional
spaces
for
their
Practical
Nurse,
Program
and
48
spaces
in
their
health
care
Aid.
So
Northwestern
Polytechnic
is
going
to
be
able
to
graduate
a
significant
number
of
additional
Health
Care
Professionals
from
RNs
to
LPNs
to
healthcare
AIDs.
That
will
benefit
the
community
directly.
F
G
Thanks
chair
thanks
Minister
for
being
here,
I
appreciate
your
your
informative
remarks.
This
morning,
now,
minister,
in
September
or
through
the
chair,
our
government
signed
an
mou
with
WestJet
to
ensure
they
could
come
to
Alberta
and
create
more
jobs,
which
is
obviously
a
good
thing.
On
page,
eight
of
the
fiscal
plan
I
see
that
as
part
of
boosting
Alberta's
Advantage,
there
will
be
targeted
Investments
to
address
critical
shortages
in
the
aviation
sector.
G
I
see
there's
another
2.1
million
budgeted
in
the
Consolidated
Capital
plan
for
Mount
Royal
Aviation
diploma
program
expansion,
so
Minister
Beyond
targeted
enrollment.
Can
you
describe
what
capital
Investments
the
government's
making
to
ensure
a
strong
Aviation
sector
in
Alberta,
I,
I?
Guess
with
the
the
other
big
production
plant
coming
in
Wheatland
County?
That's!
This
is
all
going
to
matter.
Yeah.
I
Yeah,
absolutely
and
and
I
think
I'm
really
excited,
because
I
I
firmly
believe
that
Alberta
is
well
positioned
to
become
Canada's.
Next
Aviation
Hub,
with
the
de
Havilland
announcement
that
you
mentioned
in
Wheatland
County,
where
it's
going
to
be
an
incredible
state-of-the-art
facility
with
respect
to
aircraft
manufacturing
is
quite
a
significant
investment.
In
addition,
the
mou
that
we
signed
with
WestJet
is
is
game.
Changing
as
part
of
that
mou,
their
entire
fleet
of
787
Dreamliners
will
be
based
in
Calgary.
I
Calgary
will
become
westjet's,
Transit
Hub.
So
if
you're
Tran,
if
you
are
connecting
on
westjet's
network,
you
will
be
coming
through
Calgary,
which
I
think
is
a
significant
vote
of
confidence
in
The
Province
and
the
the
direction
that
we've
taken
to
specifically
answer
your
question.
I
think
you've
asked
about
infrastructure,
so
we
are
providing
there's
about
I,
think
it
was
collectively
about
seven
million
in
in
capital.
I
Oh
sorry,
five
million
in
particular
for
the
Mount
Royal
University,
to
construct
a
new
hangar
that
that
new,
hanger,
I
I
believe
will
be
located
on
their
Spring
Bank
campus,
which
will
be
necessary
to
help
them
expand
operations
and
last
year's
budget
included.
As
well,
two
million
dollar
to
assist
in
the
purchase
of
of
new
and
additional
aircraft-
those
are
the
specific
capital
projects.
I
Yesterday,
I
was
at
Mount
rules,
Spring
Bank
campus
to
announce
the
government's
plans
to
invest
11
million
over
three
years
to
develop
a
center
of
Aviation
Excellence
at
Mount.
Royal
University
develop
a
new
Bachelor's
in
aviation
and
to
create
a
new
bursary
to
help
and
encourage
students
to
pursue
careers
in
in
aviation.
I
So
it's
an
exciting
time.
I
think
this
is
this
is
just
First
Steps
I'm
excited
to
to
be
able
to
move
the
needle
further
in
the
mou
we
have
also
just
on
the
capital,
so
I
talked
about
a
787
simulator
which
we
are
looking
at
and
we
are
talking
with
WestJet
with
to
get
some
more
clarity
over.
You
know
what
that
what
that
looks
like,
and
that
may
be
something
that
we
can
move
forward
on
in
the
future.
G
Hey
Google,
those
are
I
think
they
should
get
another
one
for
the
pubs,
because
it's
it's
a
lot
of
I
was
able
to
sit
in
one
of
those.
It's
a
lot
of
fun,
trying
to
learn
how
to
fly
a
big
plane
in
a
simulator.
Now
you
did
talk
about
new
credentials
for
for
Aviation.
So
do
you
think
we
have
it
covered
or
is
there
more
work?
I
Is:
is
there
more
that
we
can
do
yeah
I?
Think
so
you
know
the
the
bachelor's
program
in
aviation
that
I
mentioned
will
really
put
Alberta
on
the
map.
There's
only
a
small
handful
of
institutions
in
all
of
Canada
that
offer
a
Bachelor's
of
Aviation
and
so
I
think
that
this
will
help
move
the
needle,
but
I
do
believe
that
we
can
look
at
offering
even
more
programming
in
the
Aviation
Space.
I
That's
that's
part
of
the
reason
why
we've
provided
that
funding
to
that
Center
of
Excellence
concept
to
be
able
to
explore
if
there's
more,
that
we
can
do
I
really
want
to
see
Alberta
become
the
educational
destination
and
Center
for
aviation
in
Canada.
So
I
would
imagine
that
that
may
include
additional
programs
in
the
future,
but
we're
happy
to
to
explore
that
and
look
at
that
in
more
detail.
Thanks.
G
Minister
moving
on
on
page
23
of
the
government's
estimates,
Advanced
education
will
be
spending
about
6.64
million,
specifically
on
indigenous
education,
so
Truth
and
Reconciliation
support
and
our
government
certainly
shown
a
strong
commitment
to
indigenous
people.
But
what
specific
actions
is
the
government
doing
to
help
indigenous
students
access
post-secondary
education?
So
we
want
indigenous
people
to
be
the
leaders
of
tomorrow,
which
means
we
need
to
educate
them
today.
I
think.
I
B
J
If
you
apply
those
numbers
too,
the
budget
based
on
page
89
of
the
fiscal
plan,
you
end
up
only
spending
0.6
percent
more
in
this
budget
on
Advanced
education,
and
so
I
mean
the
rhetorics
that
we're
trying
to
get
are
the
message
that
I'm
getting
from
the
ministry
is
that
this
is
a
time
to
reinvest
in
advanced
education.
But
the
numbers
don't
add
up
in
that
regards.
J
I
It's
part
of
the
reason
why
we're
able
to
deliver
the
second
balanced
budget
to
to
albertans.
After
several
years
of
of
quite
quite
Reckless
spending
we've
been
able
to
to
bring
that
under
control
and
continue
to
make
very
strategic
investments
in
areas
that
are
going
to
strengthen
Alberta
as
economic
competitiveness,
ensure
that
we're
able
to
train
individuals
in
our
local
communities
give
young
Alberts
the
educational
opportunities
they
need
at
home.
All
while
doing
and
all
of
that,
at
the
same
time,
we're
able
to
put
money
back
into
the
Alberta
Heritage
savings.
Trust.
J
All
right,
thank
you.
Thank
you
for
that,
but
I
don't
think
we
could
find
anyone
that
would
suggest
that
making
an
investment
in
advanced
education
for
young
people
to
receive
the
training
that
they
need
to
help
grow
our
economy
and
to
build
our
population
and
the
quality
of
life
is,
would
be
considered
to
be
a
a
reckless
expenditure
and,
after
four
years
of
quite
significant
cuts.
J
The
perception
that
the
UCP
is
trying
to
to
project
to
albertans
is
that
you
know
this
is
a
time
to
to
to
spend
and
to
make
reinvestment.
But
here's,
poor,
old,
Advanced
education
still
on
the
as
an
outlier
in
that
equation,
with
as
I
say,
adjusting
for
population
and
inflation
is
only
receiving
a
0.6
increase
from
the
previous
year,
and
so,
as
I
said
before,
you
know
we're
relying
on
Advanced
education,
schools
and
to
students
and
teachers
and
administrators
support
staff.
J
To
you
know
shoulder
this
burden,
and
the
result,
of
course,
is
that
they
can't
keep
doing
that
forever.
Right
we'll
end
up
with
certain
breaking
points,
and
you
know
it
as
I
say
you
are
living
on
board
of
time
by
not
funding
Advanced
education
properly.
An
example
of
that
I
would
suggest.
Is
you
know
the
faculty
and
support
staff
losses
in
our
schools
over
this
last
year?
J
For
the
last
few
years,
I
have
a
100
1185
positions
lost,
and
you
know,
ironically,
we
still
see
increases
to
senior
management
positions,
and
so
this
really
bothers
a
lot
of
the
people
that
have
shouldered
the
burden
of
all
these
cuts.
For
so
many
years
the
1185
positions
lost
right,
which
is
significant,
but
then
you
know
still
that
doesn't
seem
to
be
any
curb
on
senior
management
positions
being
increased
in
our
in
our
in
our
so
I'm
just
curious
to
ask
the
minister.
I
Sure
well,
I,
leave
it
I,
leave
it
up
to
the
individual
universities
and
colleges
to
manage
their
operations
and
to
determine
the
administrative
structure
that
works
for
them
and
the
amount
of
senior
Executives
that
they
need.
I
think
it's
important
that
there
is
a
degree
of,
of
course,
transparency
and
accountability,
and
this
is
where
the
the
strengths
of
a
performance-based
funding
model
and
the
investment
management
agreements
can
come
into
place.
I
I
You
know,
with
with
respect
to
your
your
your
comments
about
investing
in
post-secondary
education
and
and
the
future.
You
know.
Advanced
education
is
able
to
generate
some
incredible
results
and
you
know
we
have
had
some
challenges
in
in
funding
over
the
last
few
years,
but
even
with
that,
we're
able
to
invest
in
new
facilities
such
as
the
McCune
School
of
Business,
that's
going
to
add,
7
500
new
spaces,
we're
able
to
increase
funding
to
the
University
of
Calgary's
vet
med
school
to
double
the
number
of
vet
grads.
I
We're
able
to
dramatically
increase
the
number
of
doctors
that
we're
training
increase.
The
number
of
nurses
that
we're
training
increase
the
number
of
health
care
aids
that
we're
training
I'll.
Just
give
you
a
high
level
Overview
at
Lakeland
College.
They
received
funding
for
111
additional
spaces
in
their
healthcare
aid
program.
Lethbridge
College
received
19
spaces
for
their
bachelor
of
nursing
program.
I
Mcewen
University
received
120
new
spaces
for
their
Bachelor
of
Science
in
nursing,
Medicine
Hat
College
received
30
spaces
for
their
healthcare
aid
program
and-
and
the
list
goes
on
and
on
so
we
have
been
able
to
be
very
targeted,
very
deliberate.
Very
strategic
to
increase
capacity
in
the
spaces
that
are
in
the
greatest
demand,
where
we
need
to
graduate
more
individuals
and
do
that
in
a
very
efficient
way
for
taxpayers.
C
J
I
can
I'll
make
it
a
short
version
of
it.
Okay,
that
the
what
steps
the
government
will
take
to
ensure
quality
of
Education
research
and
teaching
in
post-secondary
institutions
in
the
province
to
deal
with
the
challenges
of
inflation,
enrollment
growth
in
the
aftermath
of
previous
cuts,
I
mean
I,
think
this
individual
has
sort
of
captured
in
a
nutshell,
the
numbers
that
I
have
put
forward,
which
is,
in
fact
this
is
being
touted
as
a
growth
budget
for
advanced
education.
But
in
reality
it's
just
quite
static.
G
Proceed
well,
thank
you
and
I'll
continue
on
here.
We
were
talking
about
and
support
for
indigenous
people
and
post-secondary
Minister,
and
we
certainly
understand
the
budget's
not
static
but
growing,
and
we
appreciate
the
support
on
that.
How
does
the
changes?
The
extra
6.64
million
dollars
for
indigenous
education,
aligned
with
the
Truth
and
Reconciliation
Commission
in
Canada's,
calls
for
action.
I
You
know,
in
particular,
I
think
it's
call
to
action.
63
of
the
Truth
and
Reconciliation
talks
about
the
empowerment
and
training
of
of
indigenous
adult
Learners.
So
so
we
are
taking
steps
as
it
relates
to
addressing
that
very
particular
call
to
action
and
yeah
I
think
we're
doing
that
in
in
innovative
ways,
as
I
mentioned,
we're
providing
funding
to
trade
winds
for
successes.
I
It's
an
indigenous
LED
and
Runner
organization
that
works
to
to
bring
indigenous
youth
into
into
trade
opportunities
and
Pathways
we're
also
working
with
the
five
First
Nation
colleges
to
support
their
efforts
because,
again,
I
I
think
they
know
best
about
how
greater
to
to
reach
out
to
their
communities
and
and
what
educational
programs
are
needed
and
also
providing
some
funding
to
our
public
universities
and
colleges
to
support
their
efforts.
Also.
G
I
Yeah,
our
first
nation,
the
the
five
First
Nations
colleges,
receive
an
annual
Grant
of
of
640
000
from
Advanced
education,
and
this.
This
goes
to
to
those
institutions,
for
you
know
to
their
discretion,
to
be
able
to
offer
programming
that
is
required
and
necessary
in
their
community,
and
we
are
talking
with
them
about
investing
in
additional
through
the
Alberta
work
initiative.
G
C
C
Central
Alberta,
as
you
know,
minister,
is
a
very
fast
growing
region.
We're
having
individuals
come
to
central
Alberta
well
to
Alberta
as
a
whole
from
all
over
the
country
and
throughout
all
the
world,
and
much
of
this
credit,
the
attraction
to
to
Alberta
not
only
goes
to
entrepreneurs
and
businesses,
but
in
central
Red,
Deer
Polytechnic
as
one
of
Alberta's
newest
polytechnics.
As
you
know,
Minister
RDP
plays
a
key
role
in
attracting
and
retaining
young
people
and
generating
research
in
central
Alberta
that
supports
our
Industries.
I
Sure
and
yeah
a
quick,
quick
shout
out
to
to
president
column
and
the
entire
team
there
at
Red
Deer
Polytechnic
for
the
incredible
work
that
they
do.
Indeed,
Red
Deer
Polytechnic
received
just
under
four
million
dollars
as
part
of
that
targeted
enrollment
expansion
initiative
to
add
711
seats
at
the
institution.
C
That
is
really
great
news.
I
know
a
lot
of
young
adults
with
against
central
Alberta
growing,
so
much
the
best
thing
that
we
can
do
for
them
as
a
government
is
provide
them
with
skills
and
knowledge
that
aligns
with
Market
demands
so
that
they're
able
to
have
apply
those
skills
and
knowledge
in
areas
there's
great
need.
So
thank
you
for
that
Minister
and
thank
you
for
your
support
of
Red
Deer
Polytechnic,
and
this
government's
support
for
that
and
for
the
intentional
way
in
which
we
are
serving
our
young
adults.
E
So
much
MLA,
Stefan
and
Minister
for
being
here.
This
has
been
a
wonderful,
really
productive
and
informative
discussion.
I
would
say
through
the
chair
and
so
we've
had
a
lot
of
great
focus
on
all
the
wonderful
regions
of
Alberta
as
it
pertains
to
post-secondary
education,
Grand,
Prairie,
Red,
Deer,
well,
heck.
Let's
talk
Capital,
Region
right.
Why
not
we're
in
the
city
of
Edmonton?
So
well,
I
would
begin
saying
you
know.
E
As
you
know,
I
I
have
a
vision,
but
I've
just
never
been
able
to
really
get
around
to
it
and
it's
sort
of
been
an
idea.
That's
bubbled
around
the
surface
for
a
long
time
and
that
is
to
have
an
industry
centered
and
supported
vocational
training
institute,
probably
somewhere
in
Strathcona
County.
We
are
a
big
municipality
heavy
in
industry,
but
we
don't
have
a
post-secondary
institution
now
it
could
be
something
done
through
Nate
or
whatever,
like
I
know,
they
do
a
great
job
Minister
with
the
crane
satellite
campus.
E
E
Just
this
month
and
as
detailed
in
your
Capital
plan,
you
announced
125
billion
for
McEwen,
University's,
New,
School
of
Business
and
I'm,
so
excited
for
this
I
met
with
the
great
people
government
relations
people
from
McEwen,
it's
really
attractive.
I
can't
wait
to
hear
more
from
you
on
this
I
think
it'll
be
great
for
the
capital
region
and
Alberta
in
general.
These
additional
this
capacity
through
a
new
School
of
Business,
which
they
sorely
need
so
Minister.
I
Yeah,
thank
you
and
yeah.
I
was
I
was
incredibly
excited,
as,
as
I
think
was
the
entire
McEwen
Community.
When
we,
when
we
made
the
announcement
folks
from
McCune
University
were
were
just
thrilled,
I
think
is,
is
perhaps
understating
the
level
of
excitement
and
anticipation.
I
I,
it's
quite
a
significant
investment,
and
you
know
we
we
do
have
more
more
students
projected,
so
we
need
to
be
proactive.
I
That's
precisely
what
we're
doing
we're
trying
our
very
best
to
be
as
proactive
as
we
can
so,
in
particular,
we'll
be
adding
approximately
7
500
full
load
equivalents
with
the
new
School
of
Business,
and
just
to
put
that
in
into
context,
the
Edmonton
region
is
expected
to
see
or
projected
to
see
an
increase
of
approximately
an
enrollment
increase
of
approximately
23
percent
between
2019
and
2028.
So
again,
the
forecasts
show
that
there's
going
to
be
some
significant
increases.
So
let's
take
the
steps.
Now,
let's
build
those
additional
spaces.
I
I
B
J
Thank
you,
Mr
chair
and
my
calculations,
which
are
sometimes
wrong,
would
suggest
that
this
is
my
last
round,
so
I'll
try
to
squeeze
in
some
questions.
If
you
don't
have
to
answer
them,
you
can
always
provide
me
with
the
with
the
data.
If,
if
you
want
to-
or
you
should
I
think
you
have
to
so
the
every
year
I've
been
asking
for
the
first
year,
we
did
receive
the
campus
Alberta
grants
broken
out
to
each
school
and
in
each
of
the
subsequent
budgets.
J
That
information
has
not
been
provided.
I
mean
I've,
always
managed
to
find
it,
but
I
think
the
public
deserves
to
have
that
released
as
part
of
the
budget
as
it
always
had
been
in
the
past,
and
so
I
would
ask
please
if
you
can
provide
capitalist
Alberta
grants
as
the
are
broken
up
to
each
school.
I
know
some
of
the
other
mlas
were
asking
about.
You
know
how
much
does
Lakeland
get.
How
much
does
you
know?
J
J
They
were
curious
to
know
who
did
you
consult
with
to
build
this
budget
in
regards
to
students?
How
did
that
consultation
process
go?
Who
did
you
invite
because
they
feel,
like
they
weren't
I,
think
this
was
the
GSA
in
Calgary
graduate
Students
Association?
They
didn't
feel
as
though
they
were
included
as
part
of
the
budget
consultation
process,
and
so
you
know
we
just
would
like
to
know
who
and
what
and
when,
and
why,
and
where
did
you
do
all
of
those
things?
J
That
would
be
very,
very
helpful,
I
think
for
for
clarity,
because
after
all,
it's
an
awful
lot
to
do
with
the
students,
this
whole
Advanced
education,
business
right
and
then
a
couple
of
questions
I.
Just
perhaps
we
can
have
an
interaction
with
now
I
notes
that
the
province
did
announce
an
increase
to
the
Alberta
student
grant
to
help
with
inflation
and
add
expenses.
However,
it's
unclear
how
many
students
will
qualify,
and
so
this
person
is
asking
how
many
students
will
qualify.
J
Have
you
made
that
calculation
for
additional
ASG
money
and
then
it
seems
like
the
ASG
support-
is
phased
out
once
a
family
income
hit
66.
thousand
dollars
for
a
family
of
four?
And
then
why
is
the
government
basing
student
supports
on
family
income,
regardless
of
whether
students
actually
receive
family
support
for
their
education?
The
general
Alberta
inflation
supports
go
to
people
of
from
180
000
of
income
and
then
downwards.
J
So
there
seems
to
be
quite
a
quite
a
significant
discrepancy
there
and
a
lot
of
students
are
feeling
as
though
they've
been
left
out
as
a
result.
Another
question
that
I
want
to
kind
of
get
in
there
before
the
bill
is
you
know,
that's
of
course,
public
institutions
have
been
hit
hard
by
funding,
Cuts
stagnating
operating
expansion,
expenditures
and
of
inflation
in
inflation.
J
As
a
result,
costs
often
get
passed
down
to
students
and
so
well,
there's
no
cuts
to
operating
finding
well
they're.
You
know
it's
very
modest
increase
or
about
it's
basically
flat
for
operating
expenses.
This
year
the
government
has
allocated
24
million
dollars
to
the
University
of
Alberta
and
20
million
dollars
to
the
University
of
Calgary
over
three
years
to
meet
targeted,
enrollment
growth
set
by
The
Province.
I
Sure
so
maybe
maybe
I'll
start
with
the
with
the
last
piece
there
so
on
on
the
non-trades
I.
Think
the
question
is
what
what
what
what
is
non-trades
construction,
there's,
there's
management
related
programs
that
that
touch
in
the
construction
space,
but
are
not
trades
related
and
and
some
other
engineering
related
programs
as
well.
So
that's
that's
what
touches
that
that
parameter?
Of
course,
the
the
trades
component
is
directed
through
the
ministry
of
skilled
trades
and
professions
that
works
to
to
provide
that
I.
I
Yeah,
so
those
of
course,
all
of
the
the
seats
that
we're
allocating
both
through
budget
2022
and
in
the
current
budget
cycle
through
the
target
enrollment
expansion,
is
based
on
proposals
from
the
individual
institutions.
So
what
we
did
last
year's
is
we
invited
all
universities
and
colleges
to
submit
proposals
to
expand
programs
or
to
expand
spaces
in
their
high
demand
programs
they
did
and
then,
of
course,
you
know
we
we
evaluated
and
and
scored
that
and
and
looked
at
the
best
approaches
and
and
funded.
I
Those
I
can't
recall
off
the
top
of
my
head.
The
the
total
number
of
seats
that
we
provided
at
the
University
of
Alberta
and
the
University
of
Calgary
I
can
give
you
I
have
the
individual
numbers.
So
maybe,
if
you
have
a
a
calculator
handy
at
the
University
of
Alberta,
there
were
96
seats
added
to
business
management,
business
admin
and
management,
48
seats
to
Veterinary,
Medical
Assistant.
C
I
Seats
in
engine
nearing
450
seats,
a
Bachelor
of
Science
2232
seats
for
their
business
program,
132
for
their
nursing
program.
Again,
that
was
all
for
the
University
of
Alberta
University
of
Calgary
210
seats
for
a
Bachelor
of
Science
software
engineering,
270,
Bachelor,
science,
computer
science
and
and
a
range
of
other
other
programs
in
Quantum,
Computing,
nursing
veterinary
medicine
and
in
a
variety
of
other
areas.
Yeah
again,
these
were
you
know,
is
it
enough?
Is
it
meeting
the
demand
again?
We
we
deferred
quite
extensively
to
the
universities
themselves.
I
So
I'll
give
you
a
little
bit
more
information
on
the
eligibility
criteria,
but
the
Alberta
student
grant
is
intended
and
exists
to
be
support
for
for
low-income
individuals
so
for
dependent
students.
It
does
include
parental
income
for
independent
students.
It
only
looks
at
their
their
own
individual
income
and
the
classification
you're
considered
independent
if
effectively,
if
it's
two
years
after
graduation.
I
So
those
are
the
parameters
that
are
used
in
in
determining
eligibility
criteria
for
the
Alberta
student
grant
and
yeah.
As
you
noted
well,
I
think
you
had
noted
it,
but
we
have
been
able
to
to
increase
the
the
Alberta
student
grant.
Quite
recently,
we
increased
the
amount
to
475
dollars
to
to
support
to
support
those
those
recipients
and
those
students
to
be
able
to
receive
the
financial
support
that
they
need
to
participate
in
post-secondary
education
with
respect
to
I'm
trying
I
get
through
this
quickly.
I
I
have
I
only
have
20
seconds
left
with
respect
to
budget
consultation,
I
I,
listen
extensively
to
to
our
student
leaders,
I
meet
with
them
very
frequently
and
I.
Think
I
met
with
most
of
the
student
leader
organizations
and
advocacy
groups
in
advance
of
the
budget
where
they
presented
and
talked
to
me
about
their
budget
priorities
and
the
things
that
they
were
looking
to
see
in
the
budget.
And
you
know
we
tried
our
best
to
be
able.
B
H
H
It
states
that
Alberta's
labor
Forest
is
expected
to
expand
by
three
percent
or
over
74
000
people
just
this
year
alone,
which
is
the
fastest
Pace
since
2008,
and
so
recognizing
that,
with
that
continued
a
population
growth,
we
want
to
ensure
that
those
individuals
are
well
trained
and
have
the
skills
they
need
to
find
employment
in
Upper
is
diversifying
economy.
So
my
two
questions
are
one
is
around
your
Alberta
work
initiative.
I
Sure
maybe
I'll
answer
the
last
question.
14
000
new
seats
is
the
the
cumulative
all-in
total
what
we
anticipate
through
funding
available
through
budget
2020
at
22
and
budget
23.,
so
that
captures
everything
from
you
know
the
the
expansion
of
seats
and
bridging
programs,
Aviation
programs
and
all
a
health
physician,
nursing
doctor.
All
of
the
other
programs.
There's
quite
a
lot
rolled
into
that.
I
And
let's
address
that
and
let's
start
to
address
that
and
create
those
more
spaces
in
those
programs
we're
returning
away
students
so
that
we
can
make
sure
that
we
have
adequate
space
to
be
able
to
accommodate
them
for
the
second
round
of
Target,
enrollment
and
I
think
this
ties
into
a
question
that
Emily
again
had
that
I
wasn't
able
to
get
to.
But
in
terms
of
you
know,
where
are
those
seats
going?
How
have
they
been
allocated?
I
In
2030
and
the
ones
that
came
up
were
we
mentioned
construction
non-trades
and
again,
that's
civil
engineers,
construction
managers,
inspectors
and
other
engineering
professionals,
Healthcare
nurses,
nursing
nursing
supervisors,
paramedicine,
Health,
Care,
Health,
Care,
technologists
and
other
areas
in
broadly
in
technology.
We're
also
we'll
also
be
creating
additional
seats
there.
That's
in
you
know,
graphic
design,
computer
programming,
information
systems,
analyst
broadly
in
business
in
so
we'll
be
creating
additional
spaces
in
accounting
programs,
accounting
technicians,
bookkeeping,
banking,
Insurance,
Financial,
clerks
Etc
and
in
energy,
petroleum,
mechanical
geological
engineering
and
and
other
areas.
I
H
And
with
I'm
gonna
and
half
left
I
have
one
follow-up
question
because
you
mentioned
you
know
you
looked
at
programs
that
have
a
large
student
demand
or
application
demand,
and
certainly
we
know
that
there
are
programs
that
may
attract
lots
of
applicants
but
may
not
result
in
actual
careers.
Post
University,
so
I
am
just
curious.
How
your
ministry
is
balancing
the
demand
for
or
the
yeah
the
demand
Force.
The
student
demand
we'll
call
it
with
the
market
demand
and
how
that's
being
equalized
yeah.
I
It's
interesting
because
there's
often
a
lot
of
parallels,
you
know
the
ones
where
there
there
is
a
high
High
economic
demand
or
need
in
the
workforce
tend
tend
to
have
high
high
levels
of
applicants
as
well.
So
there
there
there's
usually
a
lot
of
correlation
that
you
can
draw
between
those
two
areas.
So
you
know
that
that'll
help
to
ensure
that
we're
adding
the
spaces
in
the
areas
where
the
students
are
looking
to
go,
and
that
also
add
to
our
Workforce
and
add
to
our
economy.
I
You
know
we
can't
put
ourselves
ourselves
in
this
in
a
situation
or
you
know
five.
Six
years
from
now,
we
are
incredibly
short
of
of
Professionals
in
any
particular
Industries
and
and
that
that,
of
course
causes
significant
challenges
for
recruitment,
for
new
investment
for
that
aspect
of
our
economy
to
grow,
whether
that's
Aviation,
Tech,
film,
television,
energy.
We
need
to
make
sure
that
we
we
have
the
adequate
number
of
individuals
graduating
from
those
programs
to
meet
those
future
needs.
B
Okay,
thank
you
and
with
that,
I
must
advise.
The
committee
at
the
time
allotted
for
consideration
of
the
ministry's
estimates
has
concluded.
I
would
like
to
remind
committee
members
that
we
are
scheduled
to
meet
Monday
March
13
2023
at
7
pm
to
consider
the
estimates
of
the
ministry
of
skilled
trades
and
professions.
Thank
you.
Everyone
and
this
meeting
is
adjourned.