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C
Thank
you
Mr,
chair,
good
afternoon
pleasure
to
join
you.
My
name
is
Tracy
Ellard
MLA
for
Grand
Prairie.
I
Todd
low
on
MLA
Central
peace,
not
Lee,
minister
of
Forestry
parks
and
tourism,
and
on
my
immediate
right,
I
have
Sean
and
Marshawn
Deputy
minister
to
his
right.
I
have
Daryl
dankaus
assistant,
Deputy,
minister
financial
services
and
Senior
financial
officer
to
my
immediate
left
is
Shane.
Schreiber
assistant
to
his
left
is
Dan
Luck's
assistant
Deputy,
minister
of
Forestry,.
J
B
Thank
you
I'd
like
to
note
the
following
and
substitutions
for
the
record
Miss
Rosen
for
honorable
Miss
Armstrong
hamaniac
a
few
housekeeping
items
to
address
before
we
turn
to
the
business
at
hand.
Please
note
that
the
microphones
are
operated
by
answered
staff
committee.
Proceedings
are
live
streamed
on
the
internet
and
broadcast
on
Alberta
assembly
TV.
The
audio
and
video
stream
and
transcripts
of
meetings
can
be
accessed
via
the
Legislative
Assembly
website.
B
Participants
in
the
room
that
wish
to
get
on
the
speakers
list
should
signal
to
the
chair.
Please
set
your
cell
phones
and
other
devices
to
silent
for
the
duration
of
the
meeting
honorable
members.
The
standing
order
set
out
the
process
for
consideration
of
the
main
estimates.
A
total
of
three
hours
has
been
scheduled
for
consideration
of
the
estimates
for
the
ministry
of
Forestry
parks
and
tourism
standing
order,
59,
Section,
1,
subsection
6
establishes
the
speaking
rotation
and
speaking
times.
B
In
brief,
the
minister
or
member
of
executive
Council
Council,
acting
on
The
Minister's
behalf,
will
have
10
minutes
to
address
the
committee
at
the
conclusion
of
The
Minister's
comments.
A
60-minute
speaking
block
for
the
official
opposition
begins
followed
by
a
20-minute
speaking
block
for
independent
members.
If
any
and
then
a
20-minute
speaking
block
for
the
government,
caucus
individuals
may
only
speak
for
up
to
10
minutes
at
a
time
times
may
be
combined
between
the
member
and
the
minister.
B
If
members
have
any
questions
regarding
speaking
times
or
the
rotation,
please
send
an
email
or
message
the
committee
clerk
about
the
process
when
the
concurrence
of
the
committee
with
the
concurrence
of
the
committee
I,
will
call
a
five-minute
break
near
the
midpoint
of
the
meeting.
However,
the
three-hour
clock
will
continue
to
run.
Does
anyone
oppose
having
a
break.
B
See
none.
We
will
try
and
accommodate
that
around
the
middle
of
the
meeting
Ministry
officials
may
be
present
and
at
the
direction
of
the
minister
May
address
the
committee
Ministry
official
officials
seated
in
the
gallery,
if
called
upon,
have
access
to
a
microphone
in
the
gallery
area
and
are
asked
to
please
introduce
themselves
for
the
record
prior
to
commenting
pages
are
available
to
deliver
notes
or
other
materials
between
the
gallery
and
the
table.
Attendees
in
the
gallery
may
not
approach
the
table.
B
Space
permitting
opposition
caucus
staff
may
sit
at
the
table
to
assist
their
members.
However,
members
have
priority
to
sit
at
the
table
at
all
times.
If
debate
is
exhausted
prior
to
three
hours,
the
ministry's
estimates
are
deemed
to
have
been
considered
for
the
time
allotted
in
the
schedule,
and
the
committee
will
adjourn.
B
Points
of
order
will
be
dealt
with
as
they
arise
in
individual
speaking
times
will
be
paused.
However,
the
speaking
block
and
the
overall
three-hour
meeting
clock
will
continue
to
run
any
written
material
provided
in
response
to
questions
raised
during
the
main
estimates
should
be
tabled
by
the
minister
in
the
assembly
for
the
benefit
of
all
members.
B
The
vote
on
the
estimates
in
any
amendments
will
occur
in
the
committee
of
Supply
on
March
16
2023
amendments
must
be
in
writing
and
approved
by
parliamentary
Council
prior
to
the
meeting
at
which
they
are
to
be
moved.
The
original
amendment
is
to
be
deposited
with
a
committee
clerk
with
20
hard
copies.
An
electronic
version
of
the
signed
original
should
be
provided
to
the
committee
clerk
for
distribution
to
committee
members.
B
Finally,
the
committee
should
have
the
opportunity
to
hear
both
questions
and
answers
without
interruption
during
estimates
debate,
debate
flows
through
the
chair
at
all
times,
including
instances
when
speaking
time
is
shared
between
a
member
and
the
minister
I,
would
now
invite
the
minister
of
Forestry
parks
and
tourism
to
begin
with
your
opening
remarks.
Minister,
you
have
10
minutes.
I
Thank
you
and
good
afternoon.
Everyone
I'll
take
this
opportunity
again
to
introduce
the
ministry
Representatives
joining
me
at
the
table
to
my
right.
I
have
Shannon
Marshawn
Deputy
minister
to
his
right.
I
have
Daryl
dankaus
assistant,
Deputy,
minister
financial
services
and
Senior
financial
officer
to
my
left.
I
have
Shane
Schreiber
assistant,
Deputy
minister
of
parks,
and
to
his
left.
I
have
van
Lux
assistant
Deputy
Minister
Forestry
are
Ministry.
I
Staff
in
attendance
are
Heather
Von,
Hoff
assistant
Deputy,
minister
of
lands,
operation,
Leanne
block
communications,
director,
Drew
Hill,
hiltz,
Chief
of
Staff
Deputy
Minister's
office
and
Cara
Claypool,
CFO
travel
Alberta,
also
in
attendance,
our
Minister's
office
staff,
Patrick
Malkin,
chief
of
staff
and
Samantha
stanke
press
secretary.
So
thank
you
for
all
being
here.
The
2023
forestry
parks
and
tourism
operating
budget
meets
the
changing
needs
of
albertans
and
the
economy
by
increasing
funding.
I
Generations
resources
allocated
in
this
budget
will
be
instrumental
in
ensuring
that
the
department
succeeds
in
this
complex
and
important
task,
taking
the
actions
necessary
in
order
to
achieve
the
results
that
albertans
expect
and
deserve
forestry
parks
and
tourism's
2023
operating
budget
is
385.1
million
dollars.
An
increase
of
22.6
million
from
budget
22.
budget
2023
also
contains.
A
I
Million
in
capital
investment,
an
increase
of
31
million
from
budget
2022.
budget
23
reflects
a
decrease
in
revenue
from
last
fiscal
334.8
million
down
from
355.3
million
in
2022..
This
variance
is
primarily
due
to
market
conditions
that
have
cost
caused
Forest
product
price
fluctuations
and
lower
2023
Federal
funding
within
our
cost
shared
Federal
provincial
agreement
for
mountain
pine,
beetle
control.
Now
that's
a
bird's
eye
view.
This
year's
budget
provides
essential
resources
that
support
our
continued
progress
on
key
mandate
items.
I
I
We
have
also
committed
57.8
million
to
upgrade
and
refurbish
existing
campgrounds
and
park
infrastructure
with
another
5.2
million
for
additional
Parks
assets
as
part
of
the
lower
Athabasca
and
South
Saskatchewan
Regional
plans,
4.4
million
dollars
for
upgrades
in
parks
and
public
lands,
Recreation
areas
in
the
David
Thompson
corridor
year.
One
also
includes
two
million
dollars,
as
well
as
an
additional
33.7
million
of
capital
funding
over
seven
years
to
build
and
improve
our
trail
system.
I
We're
also
working
on
to
improve
the
visitor
experience
by
increasing
operational
staff
to
oversee
and
enhance
the
day-to-day
operation
of
our
parks
and
Crown
lands
across
summer
and
winter
operations
in
2023
were
prepared
to
recruit
a
total
of
566
seasonal
wage
staff
for
positions
that
maintain
Frontline
park
operations,
facilitate
personnel
and
visitor
safety
and
provide
environmentally
responsible
recreational
opportunities
in
our
parks.
These
staff
directly
support
government
platform
commitments
to
promote
tourism,
development
and
conserve
our
environment.
I
In
order
to
be
a
successful
champion
of
our
tourism
industry,
the
resources
the
government
commits
must
reflect
the
size
and
scope
of
the
sector's
Urgent
needs
in
2023.
Travel
Alberta
will
receive
71.9
million
dollars
in
funding
as
it
fulfills
its
roles
and
responsibilities.
Under
this
strategy,
that's
an
increase
of
nearly
14
percent
over
this
year
to
to
address
our
government's
additional
priorities
to
advance
tourism.
This
includes
allocating
10
million
dollars
over
two
years
for
Rural
tourism,
programming
and
15
million
dollars
over
three
years
for
enhanced
marketing
and
promotional
initiatives
in
travel.
I
Early
engagement
is
underway
and
destination
development
plans
are
an
anticipated
soon.
Exciting
must
visit.
Opportunities
for
tourism
abound
throughout
our
province,
critical
that
we
showcase
these
alongside
our
better
known,
Legacy
destinations,
in
addition
to
ensuring
funding
for
Destination
management
organizations
and
other
important
provincial
tourism
initiatives
on
Crown
lands,
my
department
is
working
with
travel
Alberta
to
ensure
that
important
components
of
our
tourism
strategy
integrate
with
applicable
Crown,
Land
planning
and
managing
management
processes.
I
Throughout
this
collaboration,
we
have
an
engaging
with
tourism
sector
partners
and
Advocates
to
ensure
that
our
shared
goals
are
met.
Our
volunteer
parks
and
public
lands
management
partners
are
a
valued
part
of
Alberta's
crownland
history
and
as
respected
contributors
to
the
delivery
of
recreation
opportunities
in
the
province.
They've
been
clear
with
government
that
trail
management
work
should
be
supported
by
sustainable
funding.
I
Nearly
two
decades
of
mountain
pine
beetle
infestations
have
left
their
mark
on
our
forests,
but
Alberta's
control
programs
are
working.
Just
this
past
December.
We
were
pleased
to
report
a
94
percent
total
decline
in
Beetle
populations
in
the
key
areas
of
importance,
the
Eastern
slopes
and
west
central
part
of
Alberta.
I
This
budget
commits
100.4
million
dollars
in
Wildfire
management
funding
that
provides
for
seasonal
firefighters,
support
staff
and
contracted
indigenous
fire
attack
Crews
the
ongoing
maintenance
of
Alberta's
wildfire's
Capital
infrastructure,
including
33,
firebases,
13,
air
tanker
bases,
127,
Wildfire,
Lookouts
and
65
weather
stations,
as
well
as
specialized
aircraft
and
over
1
000
pieces
of
other
contracted
heavy
equipment
ahead
of
the
2023
Wildfire
season.
We
awarded
a
new
10-year
contract
with
an
estimated
value
of
60
million
dollars
for
the
operation,
maintenance
and
storage
of
the
province's
fleet
of
four
CL
215t
air
tankers.
I
Alberta's
forested
public
lands
are
a
source
of
prosperity
for
communities
throughout
the
province,
properly
managed
Forest,
Force
our
renewable
resource
and
the
forest
Jobs
action
plan.
Is
this
government's
commitment
to
provide
secure,
fiber
access
for
Forest
companies,
maintaining
Forest
jobs
and
ensuring
proper
sustainable
Forest
management,
Forest
management
agreements
and
other
forms
of
force
Tanger
provide
to
Forest
companies
with
the
right
to
harvest
Crown
timber
in
exchange
for
responsibilities
such
as
Forest
management
planning
and
inventory
to
standards
set
by
government
last
year?
I
B
Diverse
and
evolving
needs
of
albertans.
Thank
you
Minister
for
the
the
hour
that
follows
members
of
the
official
opposition
and
the
minister
may
speak
honorable
members.
You
will
be
able
to
see
the
timer
for
the
speaking
block,
both
in
the
committee
room
and
on
Microsoft
teams,
members
of
the
official
opposition.
Would
you
like
to
combine
your
time
with
the
ministers.
B
B
To
for
the
60
Minute
block,
you
choose
whether
to
combine
your
time
or
to
do
block
time
and
it'll
be
for
the
60
Minute
block.
Okay,
I'll
go
block
time,
then,
okay,
whatever
bills,
you
may
proceed.
B
So
what
we
have
in
the
stand,
ards
decision
order,
please
what
we
have
understanding
orders
is.
We
have
the
opportunity
for
the
minister
and
the
members
of
the
official
opposition
for
the
hour
that
follows
they
may
speak
and
when
I
asked
the
question
at
the
beginning,
it's
members
would
you
like
to
combine
your
time
with
the
ministers,
so
we
we
don't
necessarily
divide
them
up
into
20
minute
blocks.
B
We
have
60
Minutes
for
debate
or
for
discussion.
The
maximum
any
one
individual
can
speak
is
10
minutes,
I,
I
think
what
what
we
need
to
ensure
is
that
we
have
a
way
to
proceed
without
interjecting
at
every
speaker
but
MLA
sweet.
You
have
comment.
L
Thank
you,
Mr
chair,
I,
just
I
impressed
practice
and
other
estimates.
When
the
speaker
and
the
person
asking
the
question
change
is
the
opportunity
is
to
ask
the
minister
again
whether
or
not
they
want
to
go
back.
We've
done
that
in
other
committee
meetings,
I'm
just
wondering
if
there
is
a
will
of
the
committee
to
be
able
to
do
that,
I
can
put
a
motion
forward,
saying
that
when
the
when
the
speaker
changes,
the
minister
has
the
prerogative
to
decide
whether
he
wants
to
go
back
and
forth.
B
The
committee
clerk
is
let
it
leads
me
to
believe
is
that
if,
if
we
move
from
changing
from
combined
to
block
time
it's
in
between
different
blocks
of
time,
so
we've
got
a
60
Minute
block
at
this
time
and
then
we'll
move
to
a
20-minute
block
for
independent
members,
the
20-minute
block
for
government
caucus
members,
and
then
we
will
be
moving
to
in
each
block.
We
we
can
consider
those
at
the
at
that
time.
So
so,
for
now,
for
this
60
Minute
block,
we
will
proceed
with
a
Blog
time.
Okay,.
J
Excellent,
thank
you
Mr
chair,
thank
you
Minister,
and
to
your
officials
for
being
here
and
for
all
the
work
that
they
do.
J
J
I'll
start
off
in
this
first
block
asking
questions
around
travel,
Alberta
and
I
want
to
state
that
I've
been
talking
to
many
people
in
the
industry
in
the
tourism
industry
who
have
nothing
but
accolades
for
travel
Alberta
where
the
entity
I
think
has
done
a
really
good
job
Reinventing
itself.
It
is
very
different
from
the
travel
Alberta
of
10
years
ago.
J
I
know
that
many
of
the
dollars
that
flow
through
travel
Alberta
are
flowing
to
communities
in
in
throughout
the
province,
and
so
my
first
question
will
be
if,
if
the
minister
can
outline
some
of
the
projects
that
travel
Albert
is
investing
in
again
recognizing
that
the
entity
is
doing
destination
development
in
addition
to
marketing.
J
Again,
you
know
shared
ownership,
Equity
Stakes.
Is
it
dollars
that
just
flow
through?
J
If
the
minister
can
comment
on
some
of
the
projects,
specifically
with
indigenous
tourism,
but
also
other
destination
development
that
travel
Alberta
has
has
targeted,
I
believe
this
is
year
three
of
the
destination
development,
the
additional
20
million
that
travel
Albert
has
been
receiving
and
appreciate.
This
year's
budget
ministers,
almost
72
million
dollars,
is
there
a
commitment
or
has
there
been
a
commitment
for
funding
over
a
several
year
period
or
is
the
the
dollars
for
travel
Alberta
for
Destination
development?
J
Only
for
this
current
budget,
because
I
believe
we're
on
the
third
year
of
three
from
a
previous
commitment,
but
if
Minister
can
clarify
that
that
would
be
wonderful.
Minister
commented
on
3.5
million
air
access
expense
strategy,
which
again
I
think
you
know
off.
The
top
is
a
is
sounds
good.
Most
tourists
come
to
Alberta
via
air.
They
don't
they
don't
drive
across.
J
If
you
count
the
handful
from
Saskatchewan
and
the
handful
from
BC,
then
yes,
but
the
majority
of
our
Travelers
come
through
our
airports
and
so
curious
to
know
what
kind
of
partnership
Agreements
are
going
to
take
place
between
the
ministry
and
YYC
and
yeg
to
to
help
with
that
I
know.
The
the
former
Premier
had
an
agreement
announced
with
WestJet
to
help
improve
air
access,
so
I'm
curious.
J
If
any
of
this
3.5
million
has
been
allocated
from
a
previous
announcement
or
if,
if
that's
where
some
of
the
money
is
going
for
the
that
agreement
with
WestJet
the
15
million
over
three
years
for
marketing,
if,
if
your
self-minister
or
travel
Alberta
can
talk
about
the
priority
markets
for
travel
again,
I
know
that
there's
been
a
number
of
campaigns
that
are
going
on.
J
You
know
in
recognizing
again
that
the
tourism
industry
was
hit
harder
than
than
any
other
sector
in
covid,
recognizing
that
we
unfortunately
lost
many
restaurants,
hoteliers
suffered
significantly
and
so
I
know.
The
campaigns
in
the
past
year
have
been
focused
on
attracting
Canadian
travelers
to
to
Alberta.
Now,
obviously,
we've
we're
launching
International
campaigns,
but
if
the
minister
can
give
some
some
detail
on
that,
I'd
also
love
to
know
with
all
my
questions
Minister.
J
If,
if
you
can
share
with
the
committee
what
what
the
the
metrics
are
or
how
we
measure
success.
So
what
are?
What
are
the
targeted
outcomes
that
we're
anticipating
and
again?
J
How
do
we
define
success
when
we
look
at
at
Travelers
and
again
I'm,
not
sure
if
the
metrics
that
travel
Alberta
uses
is
in
passenger
numbers
or
if
it's
in
expenditures
or
dollars
that
are
spent
if
we
could
get
a
bit
of
a
breakdown
as
well
on
forecasted,
tourism
or
or
people
participating
in
the
visitor
economy
and
a
breakdown
or
a
breakout
between
Canadian,
the
numbers
of
of
Travelers
and
in
Alberta,
so
the
tourism
dollars
that
are
being
spent?
How
many
of
those
are
albertans
spending
money
in
our
own
Province?
J
How
many
of
them
are
Canadians
coming
to
Alberta
to
spend
money
and
then
how
many
are
international
Travelers,
which
I
would
imagine,
helps
inform
travel
over
to
strategy
on
where
to
target?
But
I
am
very
curious
to
know
which,
which
markets
globally?
If
if
the
minister
can
also
comment
on,
how
is
his
ministry
leveraging
Alberta's
International
Trade
offices?
So
we
have
strategic
offices
located
globally.
They
do
many
things
in
the
trade
offices,
but
obviously
promoting
Alberta
is
one
of
them,
and
so
how?
J
How
does
the
ministry
of
Forestry
parks
and
tourism
work
with
with
our
trade
offices
directly
and
and
if
there
is
any
I
don't
know
of
this?
J
But
I
can
tell
you
that
I
know
that
agriculture
has
has
policy
or
program
officers
in
some
of
the
international
offices
that
are
from
Agriculture
and
know
that
file
and
so
I'm
just
curious
if
there
are
any
from
from
this
ministry
that
are
embedded
in
any
of
our
trade
offices
or
how
do
we
ensure
that
our
trade
offices
are
properly
marketing
Alberta
Minister,
you
commented
on
destination
development
plans
that
are
coming
soon
again.
J
I
appreciate
that
I
would
love
to
know
a
bit
more
of
a
timeline
if
there
are
any
that
you
can
share
at
the
moment.
That
would
be
very,
very
useful.
J
For
time,
three
minutes
in
one
of
the
blocks
later
on
I
think
we'll
get
into
a
bit
of
a
discussion
on
on
Crown
lands.
I
know
from
conversations
with
with
the
tourism
industry,
Association
of
Alberta
they're,
very
interested
in
looking
at
how
we
can
make
use
of
our
Crown
lens
to
develop
more
destinations
for
for
tourism,
but
I
know
that
they
are
focused
on
sustainable
plans.
So
we're
talking
about
using
the
surface,
we're
not
talking
about
digging.
You
know
holes
in
the
ground
and
ripping
up.
J
You
know
important
important
Crown
lands,
but
how
can
we?
How
can
we
develop
them
responsibly
and
sustainably
to
be
able
to
promote
tourism
while
also
balancing
conservation.
J
There
was
a
no
I'll
jump
to
that.
One
later.
J
Yeah
so
really
Minister,
it's
it's
questions.
I
know
organizations
have
have
reached
out
just
just
wanting
to
know.
If
you
can
comment
on
how
do
we
balance
conservation
with
economic
development?
So
how
do
we
ensure
that,
if
we're
developing
new
product
that
we
are
doing
it
in
a
way
that
is
sustainable
as
possible,
respecting
obviously
the
lens
that
we've
been
blessed
with,
but
recognizing
that
tourism
is
a
real
opportunity
as
an
economic
driver.
J
In
my
last
minute
and
a
half
here
on
key
objective
number,
two
2.1,
the
objective
is
to
minimize
the
Regulatory
and
process
barriers
to
improve
Service
delivery,
reduce
red
tape,
support
economic
opportunities
on
Crown
lands
and
forests.
If,
if
you
could
flush
that
out
through
you
Mr
chair
to
the
minister,
what
are
some
of
those
barriers?
How?
How
is
the
department
working
with
I
would
imagine
that
some
of
the
approvals
are
still
over
an
environment?
J
And
so,
if
the
minister
can
talk
about
that-
and
you
know
one
of
the
concerns
that
I
had
with
the
administrative
environment
and
Parks
being
split
into
two
is-
is
now:
we've
got
two
different
Ministries
that
are
dealing
with
things
like
regulatory
approvals,
and
you
know
my
concern
is
that
we've
heard
stories
of
some
approvals
taking
long
periods
of
time
to
get
over
the
finish
line
and
this
division.
J
You
know
I'd
love
to
hear
what
what
impact
it's.
Having
so
far.
My
concern
is
that
it's
going
to
have
a
negative
impact
on
on
those
timelines.
So
I
don't
know.
If
the
minister
can
comment
if
there
are
specific
targets
that
are
now
embedded
in
decision
making
process,
obviously
we
want
due
process,
but
we
don't
want
them
to
take
too
long.
I
Thank
you
very
much
and
thanks
for
those
questions,
I
appreciate
that
you
started
off
by
talking
about
the
the
good
work
the
travel
Alberta
is
doing
and
I
agree.
They
are
doing
some
great
work
there
when
it
comes
to
how
they've
projects
that
they've
invested
in
and
with
indigenous
tourism
and
everything
so
I
just
want
to.
I
Maybe
talk
a
little
bit
about
some
of
the
things
that
they're
doing
so
that
as
destination
management
organization
travel
over,
this
programs
are
focused
on
helping
businesses,
develop
memorable
tourism
products
and
experiences,
marketing
those
experiences
to
potential
visitors
and
ensuring
that
visitors
have
access
to
and
within
the
province.
Some
of
the
notable
past
Investments
include
the
river
of
death
and
Discovery
dinosaur
museum
Society
at
Wembley.
The
development
invested
just
under
25
000,
to
support
that
new
experience
at
Philip,
J,
Curie
Museum.
I
Another
thing
travel
over
has
invested
500
000
in
growth,
funding
towards
the
installation
of
Alpine,
mountain
Canyon
coaster
and
that's
in
the
canyon,
ski
resort,
in
central
Alberta.
So
there's
a
there's,
a
lot
of
jobs
that
have
been
created
with
those
projects.
Now
we
talk
about
the
to
support
rural
tourism.
That's
we're
talking
about
five
million
dollars
a
year
for
that
travel.
Alberta's
tourism
investment
program
provides
15
million
dollars
in
annual
funding
to
support
tourism
operators
in
the
past
fiscal
year.
I
The
program
supported
166
projects
across
73
communities
about
75
percent
of
the
projects,
and
seventy
percent
of
the
funding
were
in
smaller
urban
and
rural
areas
of
the
province.
The
funding
for
a
product
for
each
project
range
from
five
thousand
dollars
to
1.2
million
dollars
and
an
average
funding
of
about
ninety
thousand
dollars.
Each
travel
burn
has
been
directing
6.5
million
dollars
a
year
to
support
an
air
access
expansion
strategy,
and
so
that's
that's
also
been
very
successful.
I
I
think
later
on,
you
ask
about
metrics
to
define
success
when
it
comes
to
to
that
and
I
think
what
they
have
found
is
I.
Think
that
increased
the
actual
Travelers
that
have
increased
Alberta
has
been
46
000.
the
scene.
So
that's
how
they're
measuring
success
by
actually
people
in
the
seats
traveling
to
Alberta
so
I
think
that's
been
a
been
a
great
success
and
and
there's
plans,
of
course,
to
continue
that
going
forward.
I
Now,
when
it
comes
to
indigenous
tourism,
I
believe
there's
there's
some
money
to
think.
That's
headed
to
metis
Crossing
but
I
think
five
hundred
thousand
dollars,
but
I
believe
that
there's
a
there's,
an
agreement
that
they're
working
on
right
now
that
I
think
will
increase
the
so
that's
yeah,
that's
the
500
000
towards
that,
but
I
think
there's
agreement
coming
forward
that
they'll
increase
their
past
investment
with
indigenous
tourism
and
I.
I
Don't
know
if
that's
been
announced
yet
so
I
don't
want
to
get
ahead
of
myself
on
that
one
okay,
so
it's
I
think
it's
two
million
dollars
a
year
for
indigenous
tourism,
which
I
think
is
a
great
opportunity.
We've
seen
into
indigenous
tourism,
is
something
that's
very
attractive
for
people
from
outside
of
our
country
and
it's
something
that's
attract
a
lot
of
attention
worldwide,
so
I
think
we're
we're
in
a
good
position
there.
I
I
Okay,
oh
the
three
million
dollars
air
access
program
with
the
partnership
agreements.
We
do
have
an
mou
with
WestJet,
but
that
doesn't
involve
any
money
going
to
WestJet.
That's
that's
a
program
that
mou
with
WestJet
has
provided
them
the
opportunity
to
call
Calgary
their
Hub
and
bring
it
move
the
number
of
aircraft
from
60
aircrafts
to
100
aircraft
that
that
are
stationed
in
Calgary.
So
that's
been.
That's
been
good
on
that
memorandum
of
understanding,
but
the
overall
air
access
plan
includes
all
all
airlines
that
are
bringing
people
into
the
to
the
province.
I
You
mentioned
about
tourism
suffering
through
covered
or
not
you're.
Absolutely
right,
I
mean
it's
we're
still.
Things
have
recovered
a
lot,
but
there's
still
some
sectors
of
the
the
tourism
industry
that
haven't
recovered
yet
and
so
we're
looking
forward
to
trying
to
get
things
back
on
track
across
the
board
and
you're
right.
We
lost
a
lot
of
businesses.
People
lost
a
lot
of
jobs
and
lost
a
lot
of
money
during
that
time.
I
Here:
breakdown
and
forecasted
tourism.
Oh
sorry,
as
far
as
the
the
number
of
people
that
are
coming
in
and
what
what
the
breakdown
is
Canada
versus
Alberta
versus
International
and
if
I
remember
rightly-
and
we
will
probably
find
those
numbers
here-
56
percent
I
think
was
okay.
So
this
is
kind
of
broken
down
into
regions,
but
I
believe
overall
I
think
it
was
56
percent
where
albertans
and.
I
I
have
a
regional
breakdown
but
I
believe
there's
a
provincial
breakdown
on
it
too
and
I
want
to
say,
and
this
will
be
just
speaking
off
the
top.
My
head
is
about
56,
we're
all
burdens.
A
25
were
Canadians
and
20
International.
If
I
remember
rightly,
I
could
have
the
25
and
20
mixed
mixed
up
there,
but
just
to
give
you
an
idea.
Anyways
I
have
seen
those
numbers,
but
I
just
don't
seem
to
have
in
front
of
me
right
now.
I
We
talk
about.
Let's
see,
Crown
lands
to
develop
more
destination
opportunities,
I
think
when
we,
when
we
talk
about
development
on
on
Crown
lands
and
within
parks,
and
doing
that
in
an
environmentally
safe
way,
we
do
have
the
Opera.
We
do
have
rules
and
regulations
where
we
have.
I
We
do
have
the
the
regional
plans
and
the
sub-regional
plans
we
do
have
Vision
documents
and
other
documents
that
we
have
to
follow
as
we
develop,
and
we
want
to
make
sure
that
we
do
that
in
an
environmentally
responsible
way.
I
So
it's
it's
part
of
my
mandate
to
develop
an
environmentally
responsible
policy
framework
for
Recreation
on
Crown
lands
and
to
invest
in
campgrounds
and
trails
to
ensure
that
there
are
sufficient
high
quality,
low-cost
Recreation
sites
for
albertans,
so
increasing
access
to
our
provincial
parks,
while
ensuring
their
future
sustainability
is
a
priority
for
this
government,
and
all
development
in
Parks
is
already
subject
to
strict
Environmental
and
Cultural
reviews.
And
so
a
part
of
this
environmentally
responsible
framework
is
reaffirming
the
vision
for
Roberta
Parks
keeping
parks
for
people
sustaining
the
environment
and
supporting
tourism
and
Recreation
outcomes.
I
So
our
Provincial
Park
system
benefits
every
albertan
supporting
physical
mental
social
well-beings
while
attracting
visitors
so
that
the
crownland,
the
Crown
Land
recognition
framework
will
Define
goals
related
to
outdoor
recreation.
To
ensure
government
is
working
towards
common
outcomes
across
the
diverse
landscape,
provide
an
updated
and
consistent
lexicon
for
recreation
across
town
Crown
lands
and
identify
and
Define
distinct,
Recreation
settings
described
and
differentiated
based
on
their
character,
accessibility
and
natural
characteristics,
usage
and
on-site
operations.
These
can
be
analyzed
spatially
to
identify
Forest
priorities
for
forecast
priority
areas
for
planning
and
development,
so
yeah.
I
So
you
you
ask
about
the
interaction
with
with
International
offices
and
so
forestry
provides
data
for
two
trade
offices
for
potential
investors
also
promote
sustainable
management
framework.
So
there
is
a
there
is
that
communication
going
back
and
forth
with
those
International
offices.
I
Okay,
yes,
it
was
a
comment
on
red
tape
reduction.
It
comes
to
red
tape,
reduction.
We
have
oh,
and
actually
we
have
that
document
here,
we're
working
on
the
timelines
on
permits.
That
was
something
that
was
brought
up
and
when
it
comes
to
timelines
on
permits,
that's
something
that
we
focused
on
right
from
the
start,
when
I
became
minister
and
the
the
they
have
reviewed,
approval,
time
items
and
timelines
and
identified
opportunities
to
shorten
existing
service
standards
and
establish
service
standards
where
they
do
not
already
exist.
I
So
these
changes
will
ensure
timelier
review
and
decision
making
processes.
So
that's-
and
we
have
done
a
lot
on
that
I-
think
you
will
find
that
there's
that
the
people
of
Alberta
that
have
to
deal
with
the
government
on
on
those
kind
of
approvals,
we'll
we'll
have
seen
a
a
market,
Improvement
and
again
I
think
there's
still
work
to
do.
I,
don't
believe
we're
done
there,
but
I
think
looking
forward,
we've
seen
some
of
these.
These
approval
timelines
dropped
dramatically
and
we'll
continue
to
see
that
happen
as
we
go
forward.
I
There
is
some
changes
going
to
be
happen
to
the
digital
regulatory
Assurance
system
or
drows.
It's
called
and
that's
something
that
has
helped
and
will
help
in
the
future,
shorten
the
timelines
by
by
having
things
done
more
online,
so
I'm
just
trying
to
think
of
any
other
questions
that
we
may
have
missed.
I
guess
we
are
kind
of
running
short
on
time
here
Oh
you
talked
about
the
working
with
the
other
departments
and
with
environment
protected
areas
and
there's
the
we
have
a
lot
of
connectivity
between
the
two
departments.
I
Even
though
they're
split
into
two
Ministries,
the
the
department
themselves
are
working
well
with
the
within
each
with
each
other,
and
the
environment.
Protected
areas
deals
more
with
policy
and
we
deal
more
with
operations,
so
so
I
think
there's
a
there's,
a
great
relationship
there.
That's
that's
been
developed
and
continues
to
to
happen.
There
I
think.
B
That's
it.
Thank
you.
Okay.
Thank
you,
Minister
I'm,
going
to
ask
the
committee
clerk
to
pause
this.
The
block
time
clock
at
this
time,
I
want
to
provide
some
clarification
with
regards
to
termination
for
speaking
times
as
a
block
or
versus
combined
times,
and
parliamentary
Council
has.
B
Essentially,
instructed
us
that
that
we
can
do
where
we
can
do
combined
time
for
some
speaking
blocks
for
others.
But
what
it
is
going
to
require
is
for
each
member
when
they're
done
with
their
time
that
they
want
to
speak
if
they're
going
to
seed
their
times
to
another
member
to
through
the
chair
seed.
The
time
and
then
the
chair
will
ask
the
member
if
they
want
to
be
combined
time
or
block
time.
So,
each
time
that
we
move
into
the
position
of
deciding
with
a
new
member
asking
questions,
making
comments.
B
That
we'll
have
to
ask
the
question:
do
you
want
to
have
combined
time
or
block
time?
But
we
will
allow
that
to
occur.
So
if,
as
we
as
we'll
forward,
members
will
see
their
time
but
then
give
time
for
the
chair
to
actually
ask
the
question
of
whether
or
not
we're
going
to
continue
with
combined
time
or
block
time,
sorry
for
the
inconvenience
for
the
first
10
minutes.
But
so
we
will
now
start
with
the
next
set
of
questions
from
official
opposition.
B
Okay,
MLA
Schmidt
and
combined.
K
Time
or
block
them,
if
the
minister
is
amenable,
I
would
like
to
combine
time
Minister.
K
Well,
thank
you
to
the
minister
for
coming
to
answer
some
questions.
First
of
all,
let
me
congratulate
him
on
his
appointment.
I
note
that
it
was
a
year
ago
that
his
predecessor
told
him
in
the
legislature
what
a
joke.
This
is
why
your
career
is
over
and
now
you
are
here
answering
questions
and
he
is
not
so
congratulations
on
that.
A
bunch
of
my
questions
have
to
do
with
the
Trey
Hills
Act.
K
First
of
all
outcome.
Three
key
objective
3.2
in
the
business
plan
includes
the
implementation
of
the
trails
act
now
on
April
20th
of
2022,
your
predecessor
issued
a
ministerial
order
designated
Trails,
but
this
designation
occurred
with
no
public
input,
no
consultation
and
the
ministerial
order
was
issued
without
notice.
I'm
wondering
why
the
public
was
shut
out
of
the
process
of
this
Trail
designation
and
I'm
curious.
What
the
minister
can
tell
us
about
what
the
process
will
be
to
use
or
what
the
process,
what
process
will
be
used
to
designate
trails
in
the
future?
K
My
second
question
is
related
to
Trail
density
in
Southern
Alberta.
A
recent
report
shows
that
about
a
quarter
of
the
trails
that
exist
on
the
landscape
in
Southern
Alberta,
particularly
in
areas
like
kananascus
and
the
ghost
public
land
use,
Zone
don't
appear
on
any
official
Maps.
That
amounts
to
about
6
000
kilometers
of
undocumented
trails
that
if
they
continue
to
be
used,
we'll
put
the
health
of
the
land,
the
water
and
our
Wildlife
at
risk.
K
K
My
I
have
some
boring
procedural
questions
about
the
trails
act.
The
the
trails
act
clearly
spells
out
the
requirement
to
develop
Trails
management
plans
for
designated
trails
subject
to
the
regulations
now
almost
a
year
after
the
trails
were
designated
by
order
that
I
mentioned
in
the
first
question,
there
are
no
Trail
management
regulations
and
no
Trail
management
plans.
K
K
Now
that
the
the
business
plan
quite
clearly
says-
and
the
minister
said
in
his
opening
statements
that
trail
management
plans
are
being
developed?
What's
the
process
for
developing
them?
Who
will
be
involved
with
their
development,
especially
in
the
absence
of
regulations,
unless
the
minister
chooses
to
inform
us
about
what
the
regulations
say
here
today?
K
K
The
ACT
clearly
states
that
these
appointments
can
only
be
made
subject
to
the
regulations.
Yet,
as
I
said
again,
there
are
no
regulations.
So
how
were
Trail
managers
appointed
before
regulations
were
public
can
or
were
published?
Can
the
minister
speak
to
the
legal
mechanism
for
appointing
these
Trails
managers?
Is
it
by
ordering
council?
Is
it
by
a
ministerial
order?
K
Is
there
some
other
appointment
process
that
the
department
has
to
follow
to
designate
these
Trails
managers,
and
and
not
only
not
only
the
can
I'm
asking
the
minister
to
not
only
provide
us
the
legal
instrument
by
which
these
appointments
were
made?
What
was
the
process
followed
to
select
these
organizations
as
Trail
managers
and
how
can
future
potential
Trail
managers
expect
to
be
considered
to
be
appointed
as
Trail
managers,
especially
in
the
absence
of
any
clear
process
or
regulations
in
this
case.
K
Again,
the
announcement
went
on
to
say
the
same
February
17th
announcement
that
Trails
management
Agreements
are
being
developed
with
these
Trail
managers,
the
Alberta
Snowmobile
Association
and
the
off
highway
vehicle
association.
Again,
the
trails
act
clearly
requires
that
trail
management
agreements
have
to
be
developed
subject
to
the
regulations.
K
K
My
next
question
is
about
the
money
that
will
be
assigned
to
Trails
managers.
So
the
announcement
on
February
17th
said
that
the
off
highway
vehicle
association
and
the
Alberta
Snowmobile
Association
will
each
get
four
million
dollars
totaling
8
million
dollars.
K
K
Don't
pay
any
fee
to
use
the
trails
in
K
countries
and
the
hikers
bikers
and
cross-country
skiers
who
do
get
money
from
the
k-country
pass,
don't
get
nearly
as
much
as
the
off
highway
vehicle
association
and
the
Alberta
Snowmobile
Association
has
received
in
the
past,
so
I'm
wondering
if
the
minister
will
either
start
charging
off
highway
vehicle
and
snowmobile
users
a
fee
to
use
trails
in
Canada's
country,
or
will
he
scrap
the
k-country
pass
so
that
fairness
is
restored
to
the
fee
system
for
using
Alberta's
Outdoors,
particularly
k-country?
K
So
what's
that
other
million
dollars
for
who
will
Who
will
spend
that
and
who
will
oversee
that
spending
and-
and
can
the
minister
tell
us
which
line
items
in
the
estimates
this
money
appears
in
because
I
I?
Don't
it's
not
clear
to
me,
which
line,
which
particular
line
item
or
line
items
on
I
assume
it's
page
99
of
the
estimates
that
this
money
for
implementation
of
the
trails
Act
will
come
from.
My
final
question
for
this
block
is
related
to
the
the
k-country
pass.
K
Now
we
know
that
the
department
is
paying
two
million
dollars
a
year
to
enforce
the
k-country
pass
to
a
private
company.
The
k-country
pass
last
year
collected
around
12
million
dollars,
so
more
than
20
about
20
percent
of
the
fee
is
just
going
to
pay
for
the
enforcement
of
the
fee.
So
I'm
wondering
if
the
what
the
minister
will
do
to
ensure
that
more
money
is
for
collected
from
the
k-pass,
it
is
going
towards
providing
the
things
that
the
government
promised
when
they
introduced
the
k-pass.
K
That's
Recreational
facility
enhancement,
enforced
increased
enforcement,
all
of
those
kinds
of
things
I.
Last
year,
I
asked
your
predecessor
for
a
full
accounting
of
the
k-country
pass.
Now
he
continued
to
imply
or
to
State
directly
in
fact
that
the
k-country
pass
was
earmarked
Revenue.
That
is
false.
K
Can
the
minister
confirm
that
that
the
k-country
does
indeed
go
into
General
Revenue,
but
can
he
also
confirm
how
much
is
planned
to
be
collected
and
exactly
where
that
money
is
going
to
go,
and
my
final
question
is
related
to
again
K
Country
pass
spending
now
I
note
in
the
fiscal
plan
of
the
government
that
schedule
22
lists
that
the
full-time
equivalents
of
the
forestry
parks
and
tourism
Department
are
going
to
be
increased
by
104
staff.
K
How
many
of
those
staff
are
being
funded
from
the
k-pass?
How
much
money
is
that
and
how
many
people
are
going
to
be,
how
many
of
those
additional
staff
are
going
to
be
working
in
k-country,
enforcing
compliance
with
the
regulations
and
Environmental
Protections
that
so
I
look
forward
to
The
Minister's
answers.
I
Okay,
thank
you
very
much
and
thank
you
to
the
member
for
the
questions
and
thanks
for
the
congratulations
too
appreciate
that
we
started
off
really
nice
there.
So
it
was
good,
but
you
start
on
the
the
trails
Act
and
the
implementation,
and-
and
things
like
that,
so
I
just
want
to
kind
of
go
through
the.
You
know
the
trails
act
here.
The
trails
act
establishes
the
foundation
for
a
sustainable
Trail
management
system
on
public
land,
allows
trails
to
be
designated
for
specific
uses
such
as
hiking
or
riding
on
off.
I
I
The
appointments
align
with
the
Mandate
letter
commitment
for
trails
to
ensure
that
there
are
sufficient
high
quality,
low-cost
Recreation
sites
for
albertans,
so
I
think
some
of
your
questions
revolved
around.
You
know
why
the
the
amount
of
money
for
the
off
Highway,
Vehicles
versus
others
and
I
think
we
we
have
to
realize,
and
it
seems
like
you,
seemed
to
be
concerned
also
about
off,
highway
vehicle
use
and
how
it
affects
the
environment.
I
And
so
obviously
we
we
need
to
make
sure
that
these
funds
are
being
used
to
protect
the
environment,
to
develop
the
trails
and
environmentally
responsible,
Manner
and
so
I
think.
The
the
funds
that
are
used
there
are
are
well
spent
and
that
when
we
use
organizations
like
these,
they
use
volunteers
to
do
a
lot
of
the
work.
So
we
actually
get
a
lot
more
done
for
the
for
the
taxpayers
Dollar
by
using
these
organizations
like
that,
and
so
the
use
is
substantially
different
between
hikers
and
off-living
vehicles.
I
When
we
look
at
the
you
mentioned
about
the
think,
the
one
million
dollars
between
the
three
and
four
million
dollars,
one
million
dollar
difference-
and
that
goes
to
internal
Trail
management.
I
I
We
have
the
Alberta
hiking
Association
Albert
equestrian
Federation,
Crow's
Nest,
pass
Quad
Squad,
brag,
Creek,
Trails,
Great,
Divide,
Trail,
Association
and
I
won't
go
through
the
whole
list,
but
there's
a
lot
of
the
Alberta
yeah.
So
the
Alberta
equestrian
Federation
Society
has
received
money
on
for
different
things:
The
Hinton
mountain
bike,
Association
The,
Great,
Divide,
Trail
Association,
but
these
these
haven't
been
confirmed,
but
they
are
publicly
announced.
I
So
there's
some
of
the
stuff
is,
is
I,
guess
somewhat
sensitive,
so
I
can't
give
amounts
and
and
give
a
complete
list,
but
once
that,
what's
that
final,
then
it
will
be
public
and
you'll
be
able
to
know
what's
what's
happening
there.
I
So
there's
a
there's
an
so
there's
a
again
lots
of
there's
lots
of
organizations,
not
just
the
ones
outlined
as
Trail
managers
that
are
being
that
will
be
the
on
the
receiving
end
of
some
of
these
some
of
these
funds,
so
I
just
want
to
kind
of
go
back.
Okay,
so
we're
going
to
go
to.
M
I
Okay,
so
maybe
I'll
just
turn
the
time
over
to
Deputy
Minister
Marshawn
to
cover
just
a
couple
of
those
questions
too
sure.
M
Just
thank
you
Minister,
just
in
terms
of
the
delegation
of
the
trail
managers,
so
that,
as
my
understanding
is,
the
act
allows
the
designation
subject
to
regulation.
M
So
the
trail
managers,
obviously
I,
think,
as
the
minister
said,
need
to
align
with
the
approved
land
use
plans
and
agreements
have
been
being
developed
with
the
two
organizations
that
it's
Minister
identified.
If
you
have
a
long-standing
working
relationship
so
that
that
agreements
for
the
funding
so
there's
a
clear
understanding
of
what
the
objectives
are
for
the
the
use
of
that
funding
and
alignment
to
all
the
Environmental
Protections.
So
just
a
little
bit
more
additional
information
on
that
I'll
turn
it
back
to
you,
minister,.
I
Okay,
thank
you
very
much
and
there
was
a
comments
on
and
questions
on,
the
conservation
pass
and
so
I
just
want
to
go
through
a
little
bit
there.
So
we're
you
know,
I'm
committed
to
reviewing
the
conservation
pass
and
meanwhile
the
kcp
Reigns
in
place
and
continues
to
be
enforced.
Kcp
funding
is
supporting
outdoor
recreation
and
conservation
Partnerships
in
Canada,
so
I'm
committed
to
ensuring
the
review
is
thorough,
Fair
considerate
of
the
Region's
future.
All
aspects
of
the
past
are
under
review
and
all
options
are
being
considered.
I
It
is
important
to
ensure
our
review
reflects
the
diversity
of
opinions
while
prioritizing
affordability
and
promoting
outdoor
recreation
and
tourism.
Rushing
our
review
would
be
a
disservice
to
those
who
love
Canada's
country.
It
continues
to
be
a
destination
for
Alberta,
albertans
and
visitors
from
across
the
country
and
around
the
world
with
more
than
4
million
people
exploring
the
area
annually.
I
So
it's
important
to
ensure
that
we
have
the
right
Solutions
in
place
to
support
outdoor
recreation,
Public,
Safety
and
conservation
as
the
owners
of
kananasca's
country
albertans
can
and
should
expect
that
the
fees
collected
for
visiting
the
area
are
being
reinvested
to
support
the
area.
Fees
should
not
be
cost
prohibitive
or
prevent
a
burden
from
accessing
our
provincial
parks
and
recreation
areas.
I
I
So
if
we
look
at
their
I'm
just
going
to
go
through
here,
forestry
parks
and
tourism
is
currently
spending
1.3
million
dollars
on
staff
and
service
contracts.
So
it's
expected
in
22-23
to
earn
11.5
million
dollars.
So
some
of
those
initiatives
are
new
conservation
initiatives,
grants
Partnerships,
research,
500,
000
conservation
and
human
Wildlife
coexistent.
I
Four
hundred
and
fifty
thousand
dollars
expanded
investment
in
local
trade
organizations
to
improve
Partnerships
in
trail
stewardship,
nine
hundred
forty
thousand
dollars
maintaining
1600
kilometers
of
trails,
1.2
million
dollars
in
total,
so
the
summer
700
000
in
the
winter,
five
hundred
thousand
Public
Safety
and
dispatch
programs,
1.5
million
dollars,
Crown
Land
enforcement
via
conservation
officers,
one
million
dollars,
Recreation
management
includes
approvals
and
permitting
Park
Rangers
planning
admin
management,
1.5
million
dollars
and
improving
improving
access
to
protect
the
lands,
as
well
as
support
use
by
increased
number
of
visitors.
I
So
supporting
operations
of
specialized
facilities,
including
Canmore
Nordic
Center,
1.1
million
dollars
and
William
Watson
lodged
seven
hundred
fifty
thousand
dollars
leading
facility
infrastructure,
maintenance
and
operations
about
five
hundred
thousand
dollars.
And
then,
as
you
mentioned,
the
the
enforcement
of
two
million
dollars.
I
So
I
think
when
we
we
look
at
the
just
got
you
you
mentioned
about
the
enforcement
and
I.
Think
one
thing
that
that
we
wanted
to
be
sure
is
that
we
didn't
divert
staff
from
their
front
line
duties
and
their
important
duties
that
they
have
right
now
to
for
enforcement.
So
that's
why
the
contract
was
made
with
an
Alberta
based
Global
traffic
group
and
other
options
were
considerably
more
costly
and
less
efficient,
including
things
like
Road
booths.
I
For
me
in
parking
lot,
kiosks
which
are
resource
intensive
and
create
additional
issues
such
as
traffic
congestion.
So
again
we
have
a
lot
of
good
work
being
done
in
kananasca's
country
I.
Think
when
we
look
at
the
total
amount
of
money,
that's
spent
in
kananascus
I
would
say
we're
roughly
spending
50
million
dollars
a
year
in
kananascus,
but
also
with
operational
money
and
Capital
Money.
I
I
Think
this
year
we're
around
30
million
dollars
in
capital
expenditures,
and
so
there
is
a
significant
amount
of
money
and
resources
that
are
being
spent
in
Canada,
like
I,
can't
understand
your
concerns
on
that
to
make
sure
that
Canada
Mascus
is
taken
care
of
properly
and
because
it
is
a
you
know,
considered
a
crown
jewel
by
many
in
this
province,
so
I'm
just
trying
to
think.
If
there's
any
other
questions
that
we
may
have
missed.
I
Okay,
you
talked
about
the
104
new
approved
fdes,
so
84
for
Parks
51
ftes
will
help
meet
the
government's
mandate.
Priorities
pertaining
to
Alberta
spark
System,
including
high
quality
visit
experiences
that
are
affordable,
10
for
New
Capital
infrastructure,
good.
L
Ing
that
thank
you,
Minister
and
and
appreciate
going
back
and
forth,
but
I
think
it.
We
get
a
lot
more
conversation
happening
and
it
gives
us
a
little
bit
more
detail.
So
I'm
sure
it's
not
a
surprise
to
anybody
that
I'll
be
focusing
on
forests
and
Forestry.
So
in
on
page
99
of
the
estimates
to
2.1
2.2
and
then
looking
at
page
57
of
the
business
plan
as
well
as
56
of
the
business
plan,
I
think
just
to
keep
it
simple.
L
So,
first
off
I'm
just
curious
when
we're
looking
at
the
business
plan
outcome
number
one.
Oh
sorry,
no
yeah
outcome
number
one
key
objective:
1.3
protect
the
health
and
resiliency
of
Alberta's
Forest
resources
through
Wildlife
Management,
including
the
exploration
and
Adoption
of
innovative
Innovative
Technologies,
that's
page
56.
L
First
there's
almost
a
1.5
million
dollar
decrease
in
the
budget
from
2022
to
2023
towards
Wildfire
management.
However,
the
initiative
supporting
the
subjective
claims
that
4
million
will
be
allocated
to
Wildfire
innovation.
L
Why
is
there
a
decrease
in
funding
in
this
area?
And
then
we
have
this
inconsistency
between
the
decrease
in
the
4
million.
I
Okay,
so
the
the
decrease
is
because
of
capital
moving
moving
moving
from
one
year
to
the
next
and
so
I
believe,
that's
yeah.
It's
a
difference
because
there
is
a
there's:
some
decrease
some
increase,
but
the
balance
ends
up
doing
1.5
million
dollars.
So.
L
That
makes
sense
what
are
you
classifying
as
Wildfire
innovate,
innovation.
I
Okay,
there's
there's
several
projects
on
the
go
right
now
when
it
comes
to
Wildlife,
they're,
sorry,
Wildfire,
fighting
one
of
the
things
is
camera
technology
to
detect
smoke
and
improve
response
capabilities.
There's
a
predictive
modeling
program
using
artificial
intelligence
and
machine.
I
To
enhance
Wildfire
prediction
efforts
and
now,
okay,
resources
more
efficiently
and
long-range
drone
technology,
nuts
and
Partnerships
with
the
organization
called
Pegasus
imagery,
and
also
something
that's
that
is
new,
that
that
could
be
a
real
game.
Changer
is
a
helicopter
night
operations
being
able
to
operate
helicopters
at
night
when
it
comes
to
Wildfire
suppression.
I
So
so
that's
some
of
the
things
right
now
that
are
we're
working
on
full
integration
of
these
emerging
Technologies
in
Alberta's
welfare
Management
program
will
be
formalized
through
revisions
to
standard
operating
procedures
and
operational
directives
and
will
be
subject
to
cost-benefit
of
analysis
and
operational
assessment.
So
these
projects
will
continue
during
the
2023
Wildfire
season
and
so
to
be.
I
Evaluation
will
continue
to
enhance
Wildfire
fighter
respiratory
protection
that
actually
has
to
do
with
some
different
maps
that
they're
looking
at
too
so
so
this
several
different
things
with
Innovation
that
we
are
working
on.
L
Okay,
interesting
about
Knight
helicopter.
L
And
the
rap
attack
program.
I
Let's
say
we're
still
looking
at
all
options
there,
but
but
again
the
when
it
comes
to
the
being
able
to
operate
the
helicopters
at
night.
I
think
that's
that
can
be
a
huge
Advantage,
because
a
lot
of
times
the
thunderstorms
happen
at
night
and
being
able
to
respond
in
the
night
would
be
the
advantage
to
to
be
able
to
take
care
of
the
fires
in
the
timing
manner.
So,
okay.
L
Okay,
so
we
had
a
concern
last
year
when
it
came
to
hiring
up
and
being
able
to
ensure
that
we
had
enough
firefighters
on
the
ground
in
the
time
that
we
needed
to,
and
there
was
a
delay
last
year
around
being
able
to
be
fully
staffed
gee.
Can
you
tell
me
where
we
are
today?
How
many
ftes
have
already
been
filled?
We
know
follow
like
the
Wildfire
season
has
already
started.
N
Thank
you.
Thank
you,
Minister.
Yes,
we're
actively
recruiting
our
seasonal
staff
right
out
for
the
Wildfire
season.
Most
of
these,
a
lot
of
some
of
them
are
going
to
be
returnings.
From
last
year,
we've
met
to
a
new
program
to
get
them
back
into
the
system.
A
bit
easier.
It's
about
50
to
60
percent
of
our
Cathedral
staff
will
be.
Returnees
would
actually
gives
them
a
little
more
certainty
on
the
jobs
and
given
us
some
certainly
of
having
available
right
now.
N
N
We
also
are
looking
at
about
280
fire
attack
contractors,
which
are
indigenous
contracts
that
also
support
our
welfare
efforts
and
330
people
for
support
staff
things
doing
logistics
for
us
Communications,
as
well
as
the
equipment
in
our
contractors.
So
so
far
we're
still
doing
our
recruitment
right.
Now,
our
we're
doing
the
big
push
for
recruitment
they're,
going
through
the
training.
They
have
to
do
the
fitness
testing
and
we
expect
to
have
them
up
and
ready
by
May.
L
Two
forest
fires,
I
noticed
a
decrease
I,
am
very
happy
to
hear
that,
because
of
our
cold
weather,
we
were
able
to
inoculate
a
percentage
of
that
and
I
mean
I.
Think
the
harvesting
that
happened
as
well
has
helped
around
the
management
of
that
there
used
to
be
a
transfer
from
Saskatchewan
to
Alberta
in
regards
to
managing
the
pine
beetle
program.
L
I
see
here
that
there
is
a
reduction
in
the
budget
and
I'm
curious.
If
two
parts
first
part
is,
is
part
of
that
reduction,
because
we
are
recognizing
that
the
management
of
the
pine
beetle
that
funding
may
not
be
required
to
be
as
high
and
also
are.
We
still
receiving
those
transfers
from
other
provinces
to
help
manage
the
program.
I
Yeah
I
believe
we're
still
receiving
some
money
from
Saskatchewan
I,
don't
think
it's
as
much
as
it
has
been
in
the
past.
I
just
want
to
say
off
the
top
of
my
head.
It
was
around
500
000
for
this
upcoming
year,
but
there
also
was
a
decrease
in
the
FED
funding,
though
I
think
that
was
to
do
with
I
might
have
somebody
else
take
over
on
that,
but
there
was
a
slight
decrease
from
the
fed's
funding
on
the
end
on
mountain
pine
beetle,
but
you're
exactly
right.
I
This
is
the
pine
beetle
situation
has
definitely
improved
across
Alberta.
We
are
still
concerned
in
in
the
southwestern
part
of
Alberta
and
Little
Valley
in
the
Calgary
area.
That's
that's
one
area
that
that
we're
still
keeping
our
eye
on
heavily
I
guess
we're
keeping
your
eye
on
everything,
but
we,
but
that
is
one
area.
That's
that
still
seems
to
be
that
this
still
seems
to
be
issues
there
across
the
rest
of
Alberta.
It
seems
like
it's
dramatically
decreased
and
yes
does
that
answer.
I
Oh,
maybe
I'll
have
Debbie
mister.
M
Yeah,
so
just
it
is
a
reduction
in
the
federal
funding,
so
the
federal
first
year
the
federal
agreement
was
signed
very
late
and
so
some
of
some
current
fiscal
year
and
so
increasing
it
so
what's
reflected
the
budget
this
year
is
the
amount
that
was
the
annual
agreement
annual
amount
agreed
with
the
federal
government
with
20
million
dollars,
but
it
was
25
million
last
this
current
year
because
of
the
under
expenditure
in
the
first
year
of
the
agreement.
Okay,.
L
I
just
want
to
follow
up
on
a
comment
actually
around
the
land
use
agreements
that
my
colleague
was
talking
about
with
Rec
activities
and
that
you're
currently
in
negotiation
for
terms
I'm
wondering
what
the
relationship
on
those
terms
looks
like
in
regards
to
those
who
have
FMA
agreements
and
the
fact
that
some
of
that
land
is
going
to
be
the
same
land.
Who
would
be
the
junior
in
that
contract
in
that
relationship?
L
And,
ultimately,
how
are
you
protecting
the
fmas
so
that
if
there
is
damage
being
done,
the
Forster
industry
isn't
at
risk
of
being
held
accountable
for
any
of
those?
Any
of
that?
So
how
does
like?
Are
they
being?
Are
the
FMA
holders
being
included
in
those
negotiations
when
it
comes
to
Trail
management,
development
and
off-road
access,
because
we
already
have
conflicts
with
fmas
when
it
comes
to
grazing
leases,
fencing
Road
access
like
many
different
rights
of
way,
so
I'm
just
curious?
What
this
conversation
looks
like
from
that
perspective,.
I
Yeah
I
think
I
think
the
the
use
of
the
trails
would
be
pretty
limited
impact
on
the
fiber
for
the
forest
companies
and
I
guess.
I
One
thing:
that's
helped
by
having
this
this
department,
together
as
it
is,
is
we
have
people
in
the
same
Department
working
together
on
on
issues
like
this,
but
again
you're
right
I
mean
when
we
have
something
like
a
grazing
lease,
which
is
you
thousands
and
thousands
of
Acres
that
can
have
an
impact
on
a
FMA,
but
but
a
ATV
trail
going
through
the
woods,
isn't
near
the
impact
as
the
eight
million
Acres
of
grazing
bases.
So
but.
L
I
think
the
concern
that
I
would
have
minister
is
that
there
is
an
environmental
impact
component
and
like
when
trails
are
being
developed
like
if
a
fence
line
is
moved
for
a
grazing,
at
least,
let's
say
on
an
FMA.
There
is
conflict.
Sometimes
between
did
forestry.
Do
that
who
did
that
who's,
bringing
the
fence
back
up
all
of
the
things?
I
Deputy
Minister
Marshawn
just
take
a
quick
look
at
that,
but
I
think
you
know
we
do
have
land
use
plans
that
we
have
to
follow
and
so
there's
there's
and
we
do
have
to
work
to
incorporate
all
different
things
into
Forest
management
plan.
So
so
I
think
that's
that
work
is
continually
being
done,
but.
M
Yeah
I
would
maybe
just
add,
I
think
we
are
continuing
to
work
like
we
can.
The
afpa
was
consulted
with
in
the
development
of
the
trails
act
and
that
work
and
those
discussions
are
continuing.
I
think
that
you
know
I
think
the
basic
premise
is
correct,
and
it's
not
just
with
trails
and
Forestry.
It's
with
everything
happening
on
the
land
and
so
I
anticipate.
You
know
we'll
be
we're
trying
to
be
as
clear
as
we
can
up
front,
but
then
I
expect
there'll
be
a
certain
amount
of
adjudication
as
issues
arise.
A
L
So
is
there
a
structure
currently
in
place
within
the
ministry?
To
have
those
adjudications
occur
if
there
happens
to
be
an
issue
like
I,
do
think
that
there's
going
to
ultimately
become
conflicts
just
like,
and
it's
not
about
Timber
access,
it's
about
land
access
and
whether
or
not
there's
damage
being
done
that
could
potentially
impact
the
forestry
sector
being
able
to
access
or
the
concerns
that
they
have
when
it
comes
to
Sarah
and
their
responsibility.
L
Ability
with
buffer
zones
like
the
fmas
are
very
complicated
when
it
comes
to
ensuring
that
they're
following
the
federal
expectations
and
the
less
amount
of
conflict
around
those
Dynamics
I
think
is
only
in
the
best
interest
of
supporting
the
forestry
industry.
So
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
that,
as
these
and
I
appreciate
that
AF
afpa
has
been
consulted,
but
I
think
if
there
there's
an
acknowledgment
that
there
probably
will
be
a
conflict,
I'm
curious.
What
the
ministry's
response
or
strategy
is
in
regards
to
how
those
will
be
resolved.
I
Well,
I
think
it's
again,
it's
probably
advantageous
because
we
have
the
the
multiple
departments
in
the
same
Ministry,
so
we
have
an
ADM
of
Forestry.
We
have
an
ADM
of
lands
and
so
that
communication
can
go
back
and
forth
I
think
fairly
smoothly
to
to
address
those
concerns
as
they
come
forward,
so
I
think
I
think
we're
in
good
shape
there.
Okay,
we
appreciate
the
concern,
though.
L
Let's
move
on
to
your
forestry
job
action
plan,
so
2.2,
page
57,
through
implementation
of
the
forest
Jobs
action
plan,
ensure
long-term
access
to
sustainable
and
secure
fiber
support
for
the
forestry
sector.
Minister
I
am
curious
because
I
look
at
your
key
objective
in
this
on
this
page
to
address
outcome.
Two
one
is
about
travel
Alberta
and
the
other
one
is
about
the
soft
Lumber
litigation
and
negotiation.
L
I,
don't
see
anything
in
regards
to
value,
add
support
for
Innovation
or
expansion
in
the
forestry
industry
and
from
what
I'm
hearing
from
current
producers
in
the
area
or
in
the
province.
Is
that
there's
a
lot
of
potential
coming
out
of
BC
and
there's
a
lot
of
opportunities
around
looking
at
new
value
production,
with
existing
pulp
Mills
and
with
existing
Sawmills
and
looking
at
some
Net
Zero
components
becoming
cogens,
also
being
able
to
use
pressure
board
differently
and
do
some
value-add
around
that
and
I.
I
Okay,
yes,
so
I
think
what
we're
noticing
here
is
that
when
we
look
across
the
the
forestry
landscape
and
the
forestry
industry
across
the
Canada,
we're
seeing
that
Alberta
is
does
seem
to
be
the
place
of
choice,
to
to
invest
and
and
that's
because
of
a
lot
of
things
because
of
our
tax
regime,
our
access
to
Fiverr
and
and
how
we've
been
managing
our
forests
over
the
years
and
so
I
think
when
we,
when
we
look
at
the
the
investing
in
the
forest
Jobs
action
plan,
that's
the
government's
for
me.
I
That's
the
government's
commitment
to
providing
secure
fiber
access
for
Forest
companies
for
maintaining
Force
jobs,
but
also
ensuring
proper,
sustainable
Forest
management.
So
supporting
our
province
is
value-added.
Wood
manufacturing
industry
through
Alberta,
value-added
Wood,
Products
program,
grant
that
promotes
research,
Innovation
and
new
product
Market
entry
and
by
providing
funding
through
the
Canada
wood,
Grant
Alberta
participates
in
supporting
technical
development
and
promotional
marketing
to
establish
growing
long-term
offshore
markets
for
Alberta
Wood
Products.
So
again
we
we
have
these
programs
in
place.
I
We
have
opportunities
here
in
Alberta
and
again
we're
seeing
that
DeForest
industry
is
investing
in
Alberta
I.
Think
in
this
recent
slowdown
or
I
guess
the
lowering
of
prices
and
for
Forest
Products,
we've
seen
very
little
Mill
slow
down
in
Alberta,
and
a
lot
of
you
know
slowdown
in
British,
Columbia
and
I.
Think
that's
because
the
industry
realizes
that
that
their
investment
is
better
and
safer.
Here.
L
L
Okay,
so
if
it's
2.2,
it
was
75
850
and
20
22
2023
that
number's
gone
down
to
an
estimate
of
69.,
so
there's
been
a
decrease
in
that
there's.
A
lot
going
on
in
2.2,
besides
pint,
like
pine
beetle,
then
we're
looking
at
trade
exposure,
then
we're
also
looking
at
the
grant.
So
what
is
the
value
of
that
opportunity
fund
or
the
grant
fund?
It's
not
very
much
by
the
looks
of
it.
N
B
E
Well,
thank
you,
minister,
so
much
for
being
here
today
and
welcome
to
the
new
role
and
to
Cabinet
we're
very
excited
to
have
you
in
our
committee
and
certainly
I
know
as
their
president
secretary.
It's
been
such
a
pleasure
in
order
to
work
together
the
past
few
months,
and
this
is
kind
of
my
moment
because
I
know
in
the
chamber,
I'm
not
allowed
to
ask
you
any
questions,
so
your
full
interrogation
gets
to
come
now.
E
I,
certainly
I
wanted
to
start
off
talking
about
the
language.
That's
used
in
your
budget,
because
I
really
believe
that
language
can
be
powerful.
It
can
be
very
intentional
and
carry
a
certain
weight
to
it,
and
if
we
look
at
the
language
and
your
budget,
especially
potential
for
Crown
lands
and
tourism,
I
think
it's
quite
groundbreaking.
It's
proprietary,
it's
something
new
and
I!
Think
it's
very
deliberate
and
I
want
to
give
you
the
opportunity
to
talk
about
that.
E
We
see
language
in
your
budget
around
jointly
supporting
biodiversity
and
conservation
and
economic
development
on
Crown
lands,
which
is
a
concept
that
perhaps
other
members
or
certain
organizations
cringe
when
they
hear.
But
we
know,
as
conservatives
and
I
think
as
many
recreators
and
users
of
the
outdoors
do,
that
these
Concepts
can
coexist,
that
we
can
love
our
Outdoors
love
using
them,
love
enjoying
them,
while
also
conserving
them
and
protecting
the
biodiversity
of
them.
E
We
also
see
in
outcome
one
you
discuss
creating
a
business
environment
where
tourism
and
Parks
can
quote
Thrive
and
achieve
their
economic
potential
to
support
Diversified
economic
Prosperity,
minimize,
Regulatory
and
process
barriers
to
support
Economic
Opportunity
on
Crown
lands.
This
language
is
certainly
like
I,
said
a
very
notable
shift
in
policy
Direction,
which
I
know
myself,
and
so
many
tourism
operate
appreciate
and
have
been
looking
to
see
for
some
years
now.
E
If
we
look
at
places
like
British
Columbia,
who
of
course
is
kind
of
Alberta's
main
competitor
in
in
the
air
in
the
sphere,
they've
coined
the
phrase
beautiful
British
Columbia,
because
they
recognize
that
they
can
have
beautiful
landscapes
and
mountainous
regions,
while
also
allowing
people
the
opportunity
to
enjoy
them
and
explore
them.
But
when
we
look
at
Alberta's
landscape
for
the
past,
Lord
knows
too
long
whether
you
want
to
run
a
guided
tour
or
you
know,
make
build
new
trails
expand
an
existing
Venture.
E
You
might
have
obtain
a
new
lease
we've
heard
from
operators
for
years
that
it's
challenging
it's
burdensome.
The
processes
are
lengthy
and
there's
been
a
lot
of
I'd,
say
Inhibitors
to
economic
growth
and
potential
on
Crown
lands.
So
I
just
want
to
preface
my
question
with
recognizing
the
language
you've
used
in
this
budget,
because
I
know
that
it's
deliberate
and
I
know
that
it's
certainly
appreciated
from
myself
from
all
users
of
the
land,
brother,
baby,
Recreation
enthusiasts
business
operators,
entrepreneurs,
Trails
associations.
I
Okay,
yes,
I!
Thank
you
very
much
and
you
you
talk
about
the
the
conservation
and
Recreation
happening
on
the
same
landscape,
and-
and
we
have
that
now
we
have
to
be
able
to
continue
that
and
we
know
that
they're
not
mutually
exclusive,
so
our
Provincial
Park
systems
benefit
albertans,
the
supporting
physical,
mental
and
social
well-being,
while
attracting
visitors
from
around
the
world
and
contributing
to
our
economy.
I
So
there's
more
than
10
million
visitors
explore
our
provincial
parks
every
year,
and
so
that
brings
people
10
million
people
to
parts
of
Alberta
that
might
not
get
visited
otherwise
and
so
I
think
it's
a
great
for
those
local
economies.
We
have
one
of
the
busiest
Provincial
Park
systems
in
Canada,
with
visitation
numbers
similar
to
that
of
Ontario.
We
have
2
000
more
campsites
than
British
Columbia,
for
instance,
in
their
provincial
parks.
I
So
now
the
current
value
at
Alberta
parks
to
the
Alberta
economy
is
close
to
a
billion
dollars
in
GDP
and
sold
about
325
million
dollars
in
labor
income
and
near
nearly
9
000
jobs
per
year.
So
the
value
of
provincial
recreational
infrastructure
on
crownland
is
approximately
2.6
bill
million
dollars.
So
it
does
make
a
big
difference.
It's
a
major
economic
driver
in
Alberta
and
albertan
spent
2.3
billion
on
crownland
Recreation
annually
in
another
376
million
on
Recreational
Equipment.
I
I
You
would
like
to
have
that
girl
from
10
billion
dollars
to
20
billion
dollars,
so
the
value
of
provincial
recreational
infrastructure
is
approximately
2.6
billion
and
again
we're
making
significant
investments
in
budget
2023
and
so
that
our
Crown
lands
consisting
of
parks
and
public
lands
encompasses
over
60
percent
of
Alberta.
So
we
have
a
huge
land
base
there.
We
need
to
be
able
to
make
sure
people
have
that
opportunity
to
enjoy
it
and
to
travel
across
Alberta
to
all
parts
of
Alberta.
We
a
lot
of
times.
We
focus
on.
I
You
know
sun
to
kind
of
some
of
the
main
tourism
areas
in
Alberta,
but
we
know
that
there's
lots
to
see
all
across
Alberta
from
from
the
far
north
to
the
far
south,
and
and
so
we
need
to
make
sure
that
we
unlock
that
potential
to
improve
our
existing
tourism
areas.
Growing
new
areas
in
the
province,
while
making
sure
we
balance
the
other.
The
other
needs
on
the
landscape,
such
as
conservation.
E
I
Yeah
I
think
that's
that's
in
the
plans
to
develop
those
ones
right
now
and
we
are
in
process
of
developing
more
campgrounds
and
improving
campgrounds
right
now.
A
lot
of
the
campgrounds
were
built
in
the
70
and
camping
Styles
have
changed
dramatically
since
then,
so
we
are
improving
some
of
those
campgrounds
too.
I
Thousand,
yes,
yes,
exactly
we'd
like
to
have
we,
you
know
I
I,
guess:
BC
is
one
of
our
biggest
competitors
when
it
comes
to
tourism
and
we
want
to
have
to
make
sure
we
have
our
share
of
art
that
deals
tourist
dollars
into.
E
E
I
also
note
in
your
budget
and
I
believe
this
has
been
touched
on
a
little
bit
already,
but
there
is
a
17.1
million
dollar
allocation
to
refurbish
and
build
recreational
Trails,
certainly
in
areas
like
where
I
come
from,
whether
that's
canonastis
or
west
Brighton
Creek,
the
whole
valley,
Provincial
Park
other
areas-
that's
just
my
region
specifically,
but
our
Trails
networks
support
really
our
entire
local
economy.
E
If
you
go
to
a
place
like
bread,
Creek
I
believe
visitation,
there
has
increased
350
percent
in
the
past
couple
years,
that's
primarily
because
they
built
out
this
expansive
Trail
Network
that
has
attracted
so
many
new
people
to
the
small
Hamlet
to
then
stay
for
ice
cream
or
to
shop
at
the
local
stores,
grab
dinner
or
a
pint
later.
So
we
know
that
trails
and
a
recreational
economy
can
have
such
a
significant
economic
impact
and
can
really
build
out
communities
that
would
otherwise
probably
not
build
out
or
have
such
a
thriving
tourism
economy.
E
So,
looking
at
that,
17.1
million
dollar
investment
into
refurbishing
and
building
Trails,
specifically
I'm,
just
wondering
if
you
can
comment
if
how
significant
of
an
increase
that
is
comparative
to
other
years,
and
if
we
what
we
can
expect
the
economic
return
on
investment
to
be.
With
regards
to
that
specific.
I
Yeah,
so
what
we've
done
is
We've
committed
for
when
it
comes
to
Crown
Land
Recreation
Trails,
we've
committed
two
million
dollars
in
year,
one
and
then
33.7
million
dollars
of
capital
funding
over
seven
years,
and
that's
so.
We
can
build
and
approve
Crown
crownland
Trails.
Now
we
started
we're
starting
slow
on
it
because
it
takes
time
to
make
these
plans
and
we
there's
a
there's,
there's
a
process
that
we
have
to
go
to
to
to
build
and
improve
trails.
And
so
we
got
to
go
through
that
process.
I
Because
that's
why
we
can't
just
spend
you
know
a
lot
of
money
on
year,
one
we
need
to
planning
to
to
move
ahead
with
that.
So
so
it's
it
has
several
priority
projects
for
recreational
enhancements
and
most
of
them
are
targeted
along
the
Eastern
Slope
sites.
But
we
do
have
plans
to
do
some
development
all
across
Alberta.
I
So
another
thing
we've
done
is
allocated
one
million
dollars
annually
to
the
Alberta
highway
vehicle
association
and
one
million
dollars
annually
to
the
Alberta
Snowmobile
Association
for
the
next
four
years
to
build
and
grow
our
provincial
trail
system.
We
also
look
to
support
non-motorized
users
of
our
Trail
systems
in
the
in
the
coming
days,
we'll
be
announcing
some
more
coming
on
that.
E
Thank
you
and
I
believe
again.
This
was
also
addressed
in
part
earlier,
but
I'm
just
wondering
if
you
can
list
any
specific
Investments
besides
the
AOH
VA,
who
believes
the
acronym
investment
recently
or
what,
if
you
could
speak
to
any
other
Investments
that
have
already
been
named
in
either
Trail
upgrades
or
on
Trails
associations,
whether
that
be
through
Grant
programs
or
whatever
means
it
may
be,
and.
I
Yeah,
so
this
is
some
of
the
ones
that
so
far
that
have
been
that
have
been
announced
for
the
there
were
KP.
You
know,
Partners.
In
22-23
we
got
Brad
Creek,
Trails,
Association,
three
hundred
thousand
dollars,
moose
mountain
bike,
trail
Society,
a
hundred
thousand
dollars
friends
of
Cannon.
Ask
us
cooperating.
Association
three
hundred
forty
thousand
dollars
can
area
mountain
bike;
Association
a
hundred
thousand
dollars
Calgary
mountain
bike,
Alliance
Fellowship,
twenty
five
thousand
dollars;
White
Park
ecosystem
Foundation
of
Canada,
fifty
thousand
dollars
in
Elbow
River
Watershed
partnership,
Society
25
000.
I
So
that's
almost
a
million
dollars
right
there.
That
was
given
to
different
organizations
to
to
maintain
trails
and
do
other
great
work
for
Albert
and
albertans
in
a
partnership
design.
E
Monumental
that
was
done,
I,
guess,
sort
of
by
your
former
Department
before
it
shifted
around-
was
the
trails
act
which
I
know
which
has
been
mentioned
today,
which
I
think
for
those
who
don't
fully
know
or
understand
it
for
all
the
people
watching
estimates
this
afternoon
was
really
a
markable
shift
in
policy
Direction
with
yeah.
My
parents
probably
are
the
only
two
people
watching
right
now,
hello
to
them.
They
watch
similar
to
MLA
for
who
knowledge
your
parents.
E
This
afternoon,
my
parents
also
watch
every
hour
of
legislative
procedures,
so
they
love
it.
They
live
for
it,
but
I
think
the
trails
Act
was
a
notable
shift
in
direction
as
well,
because
For,
the
First
Time
it
through
policy
allows
the
government
to
designate
Trails
as
Crown
assets,
which
really
was
the
government's
way
of
recognizing.
That
trails
are
no
longer.
You
know
passed
through
the
bushes.
E
They
are
recognized
as
economic
drivers
and
contributors
to
Alberta's
tourism,
economy
and
somebody
that's
about
government
values
and
strives
to
protect
so
I'm,
just
wondering
if
you
can
give
a
progress,
update,
I
suppose
on
the
trails
act.
If
there
is
any
work
being
done
to
begin
designating
Trails
as
Crown
assets
and
if
so,
what
regions
we're
looking
at
doing
that
in.
I
Yeah,
so
so,
obviously,
there's
currently
work
being
done
on
Trails.
Right
now,
and
and
as
you
mentioned,
I
mean
the
trails.
Act
is
important
because
we
need
to
be
able
to
recognize
these
trails
and
and
be
able
to
make
sure
that
we
have
them
maintained
and
taken
care
of
properly
and
that's
why
we've
developed
a
partnership
program
where
we
we
developed
these
Partnerships
with
different
organizations
and
and
again
by
working
with
these
organizations.
Those
are
the
people
that
are
on
the
ground
and
they're
in
local
in
the
area.
I
They
understand
what
the
needs
are.
They
want
to
make
sure
that
that
those
areas
are
protected
and
that
they're
not
damaging
the
environment.
I
They
want
it
to
be
taken
care
of
properly
so
and
and
of
course,
they
work
with
volunteers
so
that
they
can
actually
leverage
more
dollars
or
time
in
lieu
of
to
to
make
sure
that
the
job
gets
done
rather
than
have
government
try
to
do
it
all
and
and
but
it's
I
think
it's
better
to
have
these
organizations
where
the
people
who
truly
care
about
it
and
truly
working
towards
the
common
good
and
so
I
think
it's
that
the
trails
act
has
been
able
to
facilitate
that
and
and
actually
be
able
to
recognize
these
trails
and
not
just
the
ATV
and
snowmobile
trails.
I
But
the
the
hiking
trails,
the
biking,
trails
and
all
the
trails
all
together,
I
think
it's
it's
important
that
we
look
at
all
of
them
and
and
take
care
of
their
needs,
as
needs.
E
Thank
you.
Moving
on
I
want
to
look
at
your
Parks
budget
because
I
find
this
budget
just
remarkable.
I
hope
that
everyone
across
the
province
gets
a
chance
to
see
it
specifically
I
want
to
highlight
that
there's
increases
in
nearly
every
single
area.
So
you
know
if
we
look
at
parks
operations,
10
increase
six
million
dollars.
E
If
we
look
at
the
Park's
visitor
experience,
budget,
22
increase
or
2.3
million
dollars,
most
notably,
if
you
look
at
the
conservation
budget,
an
eight
percent
increase
or
half
a
million
dollars
to
Parks
conservation
infrastructure,
1.2
million
or
10
increase,
and
at
a
40
increase
for
Capital
from
last
year's
estimate.
So
your
Park's
budget
is
quite
strong
and
I
really
want
to
recognize
that,
because
this
is
an
acknowledgment
and
of
significant
investment
in
nearly
every
area
across
a
Provincial
Park
system.
I
Yeah,
so
it
is
a
significant
increase
and
it
the
capital
plan
2023
includes
approximately
210
million
dollars,
including
Capital
Grant
over
three
years
to
improve
and
expand
Recreation
access
in
parks
and
across
Crown
Land.
So
that
includes
500
000
for
year,
one
and
51.5
million
of
capital
funding
over
10
years
for
new
camping
development,
increase
campgrounds
and
develop
the
more
recreational
and
tourism
opportunities.
I
Two
million
dollars
for
year,
one
and
33.7
million
dollars
of
capital
funding
over
seven
years
to
build
and
improve
Crown
Land
Trails,
an
additional
700
000
in
year,
one
and
26.3
million
over
three
years
of
new
funding
for
Capital
maintenance
and
renewal
projects.
All
development
in
Parks
is
already
subject
to
strict
Environmental
and
Cultural
reviews.
This
environmentally
responsible
framework
will
set
a
renewed
vision
for
Alberta
Parks
keeping
parks
for
people
sustaining
the
environment
and
supporting
tourism
and
Recreation
outcomes,
which
supports
the
increase
in
conservation
funding
So.
I
I
Yeah,
so
the
increase
in
conservation
funding
supports
our
work
to
develop
an
environmentally
responsible
policy
framework.
So
all
development
of
parks,
again
like
I
mentioned
before,
is
already
subject
to
strict
Environmental
and
Cultural
reviews,
and
so
this
will
set
a
renewed
vision
for
Alberta
parks
and
to
make
sure
that
we
can
support
the
increase
in
tourism
opportunities
and
increase
of
traffic
coming
into
our
our
parks
and
public
lands.
I
So
the
budget
increase
will
help
fulfill
the
mandate
to
develop
an
environmentally
responsible
framework
for
Recreation
on
crowd
lands
and
invest
in
campgrounds
trails
to
ensure
there
is
sufficient
high
quality
and
low-cost
Recreation
sites
for
albertans.
The
policy
framework
includes
the
development
of
the
Crown
Land
Recreation
framework
that
will
Define
the
goals
related
to
outdoor
recreation.
To
ensure
government
is
working
towards
common
outcomes
across
a
diverse
landscape,
identify
and
Define
distinct
Recreation
settings
based
on
their
character,
accessibility,
natural
characteristics,
usage
and
on-site
operations.
E
I
guess
my
final
questions
will
be
focused
around
travel,
Alberta
and
I
know.
Some
of
this
again
has
been
discussed
already,
but
certainly
you
and
I
sure
have
a
great
appreciation
for
travel,
Alberta
and
the
work
that
they
do
in
the
role
that
they
will
play
in
our
government's
targets
of
doubling
visitor
expenditures
in
the
province
by
2030..
E
E
It's
perhaps
ever
been,
or
at
least
in
recent
history
that
I'm
aware
of-
and
we
know
that
that
budget
has
increased
in
part
in
response
to
their
expanded
mandate,
which
we
also
gave
them
to
venture
into
destination
development
and
to
expand
tourism
product
offerings
across
the
province.
So
I
know
you
already
spoke
to
what
metrics
you're
using
to
track
the
return
on
that
investment
I
believe
one
of
them
was
seats
or
visitation
increased
to
the
province.
I
am
just
wondering
if
there
are
any
other
metrics.
I
So
I
think
there's
you
know
we
have
that
increase
of
funding
and
so
we're.
You
know
five
million
five
million
dollars
of
that
is
for
investment
in
rural
tourism
programming.
So
that's
going
to
encourage
the
tourism
going
to
other
parts
of
Alberta
than
rather
the
just
the
main
core
areas
that
we
consider.
We
got
3.3
million
for
visitor
information,
centers
to
make
sure
that
people
have
a
place
to
stop
in
and
see
on
their
way
into
Alberta,
3.2
million
for
an
enhanced
marketing
initiatives
and
0.2
million
to
address
cost
of
living
adjustment.
I
Inflationary
pressures
within
the
within
the
industry.
So
starting
with
budget
21
quick
to
have
us,
travel
Alberta's
been
directing
6.5
million
dollars
a
year
as
part
of
the
three-year
strategy,
the
recover
enhancement
of
the
U.S
qus
International
roots,
and
that's
what
we
talked
about.
I
think
that's,
but
forty,
six
thousand
people
in
seats
coming
to
Alberta
and
so
that's
been
a
been
a
great
success.
I
So
again
as
we
as
we
go
through
when
we
look
at
the
you
know
the
results
of
this,
this
amount
of
money
being
spent
I
think
we
have
a
great
organization
in
travel.
Alberta
that
has
been
doing
good
work
as
far
as
developing
and
promoting
Alberta
as
a
destination,
and
we
know
that
these
this
will
have
a
positive
impact
in
communities
across
the
province.
I
So
no
I
think
I
think
we're
actually
in
good
shape
here.
We'll
travel
Alberta
will
be
monitoring
things
as
they
go
forward
too,
and
and
again,
they've
been
providing
a
good
result
for
Alberta
for
for
quite
some
time
and
I
think
that
the
change
from
not
just
destination
marketing
but
destination
management
has
been
a
good
change
for
them.
I
think
it's
been
a
been
productive
for
Alberta.
I
Also,
you
know
it's
it's
exciting
to
bring
people
here,
but
it's
even
more
exciting
to
have
them
have
a
great
experience
while
they're
here,
so
that
they
can
go
back.
I
Tell
others
come
back
themselves
again
and
make
sure
that
we
can
keep
this
the
promotion
of
Alberta
going
stronger
around
the
world,
and
so
again
we
when
we
look
at
what's
been
happening
so
far,
we've
almost
recovered
from
the
from
the
downfall
of
covid,
but
there's
more
work
to
do
in
certain
sectors
still
need
some
help,
but
we're
willing
to
look
at
that
and
make
sure
that
we
get
things
back.
B
Good,
thank
you
Minister
and
that
concludes
the
government.
Members
First
block
of
questions
Now.
We
move
to
five
minutes
of
questions
from
the
official
opposition,
followed
by
five
minutes
of
response
from
from
the
minister,
as
mentioned,
members
are
asked
to
advise
a
chair
at
their
rotation
if
they
wish
to
combine
their
time
with
The
Minister's
time,
and
please
remember
that
discussion
should
flow
through
the
chair
at
all
times,
regardless
of
whether
or
not
speaking
time
is
combined
Phyllis.
Would
you
like
to
combine
time.
J
I
M
Thanks
so
we're
we,
we've
been
working
with
that's
working
directly
with
technology
and
Innovation,
okay
and
so
significant
enhancement
in
our
our
base.
M
I.T
system
that
we
use
for
the
administration
of
the
forest
forest
with
the
Wildfire
management
and
predictive
modeling
and
AI
is,
you
know,
requires
to
have
you
need
to
have
data
any
a
lot
of
it
and
it
needs
to
be
solid,
and
so
we
have
a
lot
of
data
going
back
years
and
years
in
terms
of
wildfire
and
so
what
it
is
doing
and
we
piloted
it
last
year
and
it's
it's
available
to
our
our
incident
commanders
so
as
they're
making
their
Wildfire
plans
for
the
day
based
on
the
hazard
conditions.
M
The
the
technology
is
providing
them
with
a
potential
assessment
of
what
it
would
suggest,
based
on
all
the
data
in
the
past,
when
the
risk
of
wildfire
looks
like
that,
doesn't
necessarily
Drive
the
decisions
of
the
instant
commanders.
But
it
is
a
you
know,
it's
another
piece
of
information
for
them
to
consider,
and
so
it's
integrated
into
the
systems.
J
N
I
do
bleach
so
a
shadow
mention
it
it's
an
exciting
opportunity
to
put
all
that
they
do
together
to
help
our
Duty
Officers
make
that
assessment.
So,
as
Shannon
mentioned,
we've
kind
of
trialled
it
as
a
redundant
ly
have
with
more
reliance.
J
No
that's
great
and
I.
Just
you
know,
my
hope
is
as
much
as
possible
when
we
procurement
is
not
necessarily
your
Department's
area,
but
as
much
as
possible,
using
Alberta
companies
and
employing
albertans
rather
than
elsewhere.
So
that's
great
quick
question.
Minister
I
talked
to
a
couple
of
your
colleagues
about
that.
Does
your
department
do
any
tracking
of
the
tourism
impact
when
it
comes
to
production?
So
let
me
give
you
a
great
example.
So
obviously
Last
of
Us
huge
success.
Do
we
have
a
sense?
J
Does
the
ministry
do
any
tracking
on
the
economic
impact
of
that
production
being
filmed
here
again?
Recognizing
you
know
it's
multiple
communities.
It
was
shot
all
over
Alberta
but
yeah.
If
they
don't
would
love
to
hear.
If
that's
something
that
because
I
know
that
that
jobs,
economy,
Northern
development,
which,
where
the
film
tax
credit
is,
are
not
tracking
that
I
asked
Minister,
Gene
and
so
wondering
if,
if
you
folks
track
it
at
all,
yeah.
I
I
think
that's
mostly
probably
tracked
through
culture
is
what
I
would
think,
but
but
I
know,
there's
always
figures
associated
with
any
programs
like
that
or
any
Big
Ticket
items
like
that
that
are
happening
in
Alberta,
because
everybody
wants
to
see
what
the
economic
impact
is.
So
I've
seen
those
figures,
I
don't
have
them
off
the
top
of
my
head,
but
I
know
cultures.
Maybe
Shane's
got.
J
I
So
I
think
you
know,
travel
Alberta,
I
think
is
seeing
the
the
results
of
these
things
and
they
and
they
they
do
have
a
way
to
kind
of
track
that
so
so
they
like
travel,
Alberta's
website,
has
seen
an
800
increase
in
engagement
since
the
launch
of
the
series
The
Last
of
Us.
So
while
the
popularity
of
the
show
tourism
operators
are
looking
to
capitalize
and
drive
new
visitors
to
the
province,
so
travel
Alberta's
developed
a
map
of
the
locations
featured
in
the
show
as
a
travel
itinerary
for
visitors.
I
So
so
we
are
taking
advantage
of
that
too.
But
but
again,
it's
I
think
there's
lots
of
talking
on
and
lots
of
discussion
on
how
much
that
generates.
J
Okay,
two
last
questions
and
then
I'm
going
to
throw
it
to
MLA
Suite
labor
attraction.
So
you
know
again:
I
I've
had
great
discussion
with
the
minister.
Well,
several
ministers
that
have
Labor
within
their
space
but
just
curious,
Minister,
I'm
sure
you've
heard
this
as
well
that
the
tourism
sector
is
also
or
the
visitor
economy
is
struggling
to
find
workers.
J
I
know
so
is
agriculture,
so
is
Tech
but
I'm
just
wondering
if
there's
anything
within
your
ministry,
specifically
that
you're
looking
at
and
and
I
appreciate
and
applauded
the
minister
for
the
work
that
she's
done
to
increase
the
Alberta
Advantage
nominee
program
that
number's
jumped
up.
That's
great
news:
is
there
anything
in
your
ministry
that
you
could
point
to
that?
You
folks
are
doing
initiatives
to
to
try
and
draw
more
more
workers
to
Alberta.
I
Yeah,
so
we've
been
working
with
the
the
other
Ministries
on
that
issue,
because
it
is
an
issue.
There's
no
doubt
you,
you
point
that
out
and
you're
you're
absolutely
correct
that
that
the
the
tourism
Market
when
it
comes
to
labor
there
is
a
there
is
a
need
for
sure,
and
so
we
need
to
have
that
labor
attraction,
and
so
when
I,
look
at
so
I've,
been
part
of
my
mandate.
I
Letter
was
to
work
with
the
minister
of
trade
and
immigration
and
multiculturalism
to
so
that
we
could
seek
solutions
for
the
labor
challenges
and
try
to
establish
the
expedited
tourism
Hospitality
immigration
stream.
So
so
we've
been
working
together
with
that
and
working
on
a
plan
because
it
is
a
priority
of
our
Ministries
and
so
we'll
be
cons.
You
know
presenting
findings
soon.
That
should
be
this
month,
I
think
because
it
is
again
it
is
important.
I
I
know
I've
talked
to
some
people
that
have
talked
about
having
a
tourism
training
programs
here
in
Alberta,
and
so
that's
been
kind
of
exciting
to
hear
and
we'll
see
how
that
develops
over
time,
because
if
we
can
bring
people
here
to
to
to
train
for
tourism
jobs,
then
the
likelihood
of
them
staying
here
is
greatly.
J
Increased
significant,
no
I
agree,
Minister
and
I'm
sure
he
holders,
as
I've
heard,
that
Alberta
could
be
that
center
of
excellence
and
again
showing
people
in
the
K-12
and
also
post-secondaries.
You
know
good
careers
in
in
the
hospitality.
The
last
question
I'll
ask
is
just
the
so.
This
is
coming
from
from
Taya
that
was
asking
about
infrastructure
on
Crown
lands
and
so
the
initiatives
to
supporting
key
objectives
in
the
business
plan.
J
States,
there's
that
178.7
million
that's
allocated
to
refurbish
enhanced
buildings
on
crownland
other
areas
and
so
I'm
just
curious
Minister,
because
I
know
that
that
number
is
it's
a
big
bucket.
How
much
is
of
that?
178
is
allocated
for
for
Crown,
Land
development
or
or
development
is
probably
the
best
word.
I
I
I
guess
yeah,
the
simple
answer
is
100,
but
when
we
look
at
63.5
capital,
investment
for
Parks
operating
maintenance
at
Regional
planning
and
new
Campground
development,
2.2
million
dollars,
capital
investment
on
crownland
trails,
capital,
investment
on
crop
for
crownland
vehicles
for
the
operations,
I
I-
you
know
yeah-
should
we
just
go
through
it
as
there's
significant
all
the
way
through.
J
N
I
I
could
I
could
give
you
a
few.
Let's
see,
here's
one
in
Bull
Valley
develop
an
upgrade
to
sustainable
designated
Trail
Reclamation
of
unofficial
Trails,
improved
signage,
minor
work
to
complete
Trail
compaction
and
hardening
modernized.
Campground
and
scoped
include
creating
separate
cooking
food
storage
locations.
Formalized
tent
pads,
separate
equestrian
use
from
hiker's
sites
replace
toilets
for
formalized
Trails.
That's
also.
J
In
Bull
Valley,
so
low
impact
smaller
buildings,
yeah
yeah,
it's
40
seconds,
I'm
gonna,
throw
it.
L
L
L
In
25
seconds
or
less,
can
you
please
give
us
a
quick
rundown
on
the
key
priority
around
the
Agra
tourism
industry?
I?
Don't
really
see
it
as
an
outcoming
or
indicator
here
specifically,
and
yet
there
was
substantial
Financial
pieces
that
were
removed
from
the
Ministry
of
Agriculture
over
to
tourism,
and
yet
I
don't
see
it
reflected
in
any
of
the
business
plan
or
outcomes.
B
Would
we
look
at
okay?
Thank
you.
That
concludes
the
official
opposition's
block
of
time
and
we
will
take
our
five-minute
break
at
this
time
to
come
back
at
5
25,
and
we
will
start
with
a
10
minute
block
for
the
government
caucus.
A
A
A
B
D
Thank
you
very
much.
Well,
congratulations
on
the
job
and
and
still
enjoying
your
cooking.
D
You
know,
albertans
are
really
proud
of
the
the
landscape
and
the
Beautiful
Beautiful
areas.
You
got
from
the
mountains
that
Miranda
lives
near
and
on
through
the
grasslands
and
everything
else
that
we
have.
It's
interesting.
How
many
mlas
live
in
the
most
beautiful
part
of
of
Alberta.
D
And
I
know
Alberta's
always
an
excellent
stewards
of
the
land
and
want
to
see
our
lands
protected
appropriately.
So
looking
at
outcome,
one,
the
topic
of
effective
stewardship
and
there's
been
some
talk
about
Crown
Land
here
and
I
was
just
just
curious.
Like
you
know,
what
percent
of
Alberta
is
provincial
Crown
man
and
I?
Don't
know
if
you
got
a
number
for
for
federal,
Crown,
Land
but
and
a
combination
of
the
toll.
D
But
what
what
is
that
I
know
it's
a
big
chunk,
but
I
was
just
wondering
if
you
have
that
number
yeah.
I
So
it's
a
it's
about
a
hundred
million
Acres
or
about
60
percent
of
Alberta,
consists
of
crown
lands
yep,
and
so
these
Crown
lands.
They
include
our
Parks
protected
areas
and
public
lands,
so
it's
kind
of
a
all
encompasses
all
of
them.
These
lands
are
managed
to
the
desired
land,
use
outcomes,
albino
legislation,
regulation
and
management
plans,
whether
that
is
for
tourism,
Recreation
conservation
in
our
Parks
or
multiple
use
outcomes
on
our
Park
public
lands.
I
So
they
there
is,
you
know
we
need
to
manage
them
for
all
the
different
uses
and
make
sure
that
we
do
that
appropriately
and-
and
it
is
complicated-
I
mean
there's
multiple
uses
on
the
landscape
that
we
have
to
accommodate,
and
so
we
work
on
that
and
that's
part
of
the
job
and
part
of
the
challenges
of
government
is
making
sure
that
we
manage
those
things
properly
yeah.
So.
I
D
I
Know
that
that
number
offhand
I'd
have.
D
So
you
know
we
all
always
talk
about
effective
stewardship
of
Crown,
Land
and
and
and
making
that
a
priority
and
I'm
just
so.
You
know
why
is
that
important
like?
Why
is
it
important
to
have
an
effective
management
of
of
our.
I
Crop
in
order
to
you
know
effective
stewardship,
ensures
that
these
lands
and
values
and
resources
and
experience
and
goods
and
services
they
produce
are
maintained
for
today's
for
today
and
for
future
Generations
too.
So
they
sustain
our
environment,
our
economy
and
society
and
to
thrive.
We
need
to
ensure
that
we
have
that
proper
stewardship
for
albertans
and
again
that's.
We
need
to
make
sure
we
do
it
for
future
Generations.
I
So
everything
that
we
do
on
the
land,
we
have
to
make
sure
that
it
is
sustainable
and
make
sure
that
we
can
look
to
the
Future
and
and
because
we
want
our,
you
know
our
kids
and
grandkids
to
enjoy
the
same
things.
We
we
have
and
I
think
that's
incredibly
important.
D
And
there's
quite
a
few
people
that
are
involved
in
that
like
different
partners
that
I
imagine
you
have
to
have
to
work
with
well
one
I
guess
the
federal
Crown
Land
you
have
to
I,
don't
know
what
involvement
you
have
with
them,
but
maybe
you
could
explain
that
part
and
indigenous
communities
and
any
other
Community
Partners
that
you
have
to
deal
with
if
I'm
sure
it's
quite
a
long
list,
but
just
maybe
tell
us
how
you
go
about
doing
that.
Yeah.
I
So
no
a
partnership
is
definitely
a
key
component
of
effective
environmental
stewardship.
You
know,
government
can't
do
these
things
alone,
so
we
that's
why
we
partner
with
municipalities,
non-government
organizations,
indigenous
communities
across
the
province
to
ensure
that
we
in
our
lands,
so
one
example
is
this:
is
the
recent
appointment
of
Trail
managers
under
the
trails
act,
so
this
will
help
ensure
that
Trails
on
public
lands
are
well
managed
and
meet
the
environmental
outcomes
required
to
be
sustainable
and
provide
excellent
experiences
for
those
who
use
them.
I
Another
example
is
the
forestry
division
collaboration
with
agencies
such
as
the
forest
resource,
Improvement
Association
of
Alberta
Fria
and
grantees,
such
as
fire,
smart
Alberta,
University
of
Alberta
and
the
forest
Research
Institute
to
promote
effective
environmental
stewardship
so
through
the
work
of
organizations
like
Freya,
like
Freya,
does
has
the
following
initiatives.
Since
2006
the
province
has
provided
an
average
of
4.2
million
dollars
annually
through
the
Wildfire
Reclamation
program
to
support
about
3
000
hectares
of
reforested
land
destroyed
by
wildfires
annually.
I
The
numbers
vary
widely
from
as
little
as
a
few
hundred
hectares
destroyed
to
an
excess
of
12
000
hectares,
depending
on
the
severity
of
the
Wildfire
season.
So
another
thing
is
the
the
mountain
pine
beetle
program
has
been
granted
some
two
million
annually
over
the
past
five
years
since
since
Inception
in
2007
and
as
of
2021-22
about
35.7
million
dollars
has
been
used
for
a
variety
of
tasks
to
support
mountain
pine,
beetle
detection
and
control
efforts.
I
I
So
these
projects
support
Community
protection
from
wildfires,
so
in
2122,
just
over
three
million
dollars
was
paid
out
to
project
Partners
to
bring
the
total
expenditures
since
the
program
Inception
to
just
over
39
million
dollars
so
through
the
research
Department
that
they
funded
several
projects,
including
300
000,
in
support
of
the
landscape
and
motion
program.
The
objective
of
the
program
is
to
learn
how
to
how
the
frequency
intensity
of
fire
shape
the
landscape
over
time
and
develop
tools
for
analyzing
large-scale
landscape
change.
I
D
Moving
down
to
key
objective
1.1
on
the
business
plan,
which
is
to
ensure
environmental
outcomes
such
as
biodiversity
and
conservation,
are
achievable,
supporting
the
use
and
access
of
a
digital,
social
and
economic
benefit
for
on
Albert
and
Alberta's
Crown
lands
so,
like
I,
know,
you're
an
outdoors
guy
you're.
You
taught
me
the
difference
between
a
guide
now
Federal,
so
I
I,
don't
know
what
that's
about.
So.
Can
you
tell
us
your
approach
to
balancing
conservation
with
the
recreation
because
conserve
and
never
use
it,
but
the
taste
of
lace.
I
Yeah
yeah
exactly
and
I
just
want
to
kind
of
go
back
to
your
last
question.
One
of
your
last
questions
on
the
federal
Crown
Land
about
10
of
Alberta's
Federal,
Crown
Land,
that
includes
military
bases
and
national
parks.
Okay,
great
so
just
to
kind
of
an
idea
that
the
feds
definitely
have
their
share
of
Albert
already
so
I'm
sure
they
don't
need
any
more.
But
when
it
comes
to,
you
know
having
an
environmentally
responsible
policy
framework,
so
we
conduct
Parks
planning
that
accounts
for
the
Dual
Mandate
of
the
park
system.
I
Any
development
is
recommended
within
the
conservation
context
and
values
of
the
park
site.
Demand
for
recreation
is
steadily
increasing
and
we
expect
it
will
continue
to
grow
in
important
for
our
government
to
respond
to
this.
The
demand
by
making
strategic
investments
in
our
sites
and
facilities
in
environmentally
responsible
way,
so
that
the
balance
is
achieved
by
recognizing
that
there
are
trade-offs
throughout
our
Landscapes.
D
Thank
you
very
much
I.
My
last
question
is,
and
it
was,
it
was
handled
to
some
degree
in
a
relative
to
wildfires
and
we're
we'll
be
going
into
that
pretty
soon.
You
know,
albertans
are
always
worried
about.
You
know
Wildfire
preparedness
and
management.
So
it's
glad
to
see
an
objective
1.3.
The
buzz
plan
is
to
protect
the
health
and
resilience
of
Alberta's
Forest
resources
through
effective
Wildfire
management,
including
exploration,
adoption
and
Innovative
Technologies.
D
That
was
talked
about
a
little
bit
but
and
I'm
I'm,
and
one
of
your
answers
was
how
you
hire
people
and
that
type
of
thing
and
I.
Just
that
came
up,
I
didn't
know.
I
didn't
want
to
repeat
questions
but
I.
Just
how
do
you
prepare
like?
How
is
it?
How
do
you
forecast
what
you're
coming
to
relative
to
the
Wildfire
season
and
then,
obviously,
you
have
to
adjust
if
it
gets
worse?
How?
How
is
that
managed.
I
Yeah,
so
that's
actually
a
great
question.
It's
you
know
it's
still
too
early
to
predict
what
the
2023
Fire
season
is
going
to
be
like,
so
we're
monitoring
conditions,
including
the
snowpack
and
long-term
forecasts,
and
preparing
our
resources
in
anticipation
of
the
start
of
wildfire
season.
So
the
greatest
factor
affecting
the
dryness
of
the
environment
is
spring
precipitation,
so
spring
dip,
a
period
of
extremely
low,
moisture
content
and
Forest
vegetation
occurs
between
the
end
of
winter
and
the
start
of
the
seasonal
growth.
I
So
before
things
green
up,
so
so,
forests
are
especially
susceptible
to
fire
during
this
time,
because
trees
and
grasses
reach
a
point
of
extreme
low,
moisture
content
and
before
the
The
Greening
up
happens,
which
actually
increases
the
moisture
content.
So
the
period
of
highest
flammability
occurs
during
the
moisture
content
dipped,
and
this
is
the
timing
of
the
most
extreme
fire
Behavior.
I
So
so
that's
something
that
we're
watching
all
the
time
to
make
sure
that
we
we
have
an
idea
of
you
know,
and
we
focus
on
that
time
frame
to
make
sure
that
we
we're
protecting
and
and
know
and
doing
the
doing
the
work
that
we
need
to
do
to
make
sure
that
we
were
ready
for
fire
when
it
happens.
At
that
time,.
B
Okay,
thank
you
Minister.
We
now
move
to
five
minutes
of
questions
from
the
official
opposition.
Emily
Schmidt.
Would
you
like
to
combine
time?
I
would
go
block
time,
block
time,
okay,
Emily
Schmidt.
K
So
a
number
well
I
guess
that's
my
first
question:
what
did
I
ever
do
to
the
minister?
Is
there
block
time?
My
my
second,
my
second
question:
if
the
member
from
Calvary
Hayes
would
keep
his
trap
shot
for
a
second
on
page
99
of
the
estimates
line,
five
allocated.
H
L
Remember
opposite
actually
is
not
referenced.
A
standing
order
to
speak
to
the
point
of
order,
but
in
clarifying
I
do
also
believe
that
through
the
chair
respectfully
there
was
some
conversation
going
across
the
floor.
I
think
it
would
just
be
ideal
that
this
is
not
a
point
of
order,
but
in
fact
it's
remind
members
to
be
respectful,
while
other
members
are
speaking.
B
Thank
you,
Emily
Stefan,
I
I
will
not
find
this
as
a
point
of
order.
I
I,
give
great
latitude
towards
speech
within
the
within
the
the
room.
B
I
will
remind
members
to
encourage
members
to
ensure
that
their
comments,
and
we
might
consider
them
heckles
to
be
appropriate
in
in
trying
with
withdraw
from
any
of
that
interaction.
So
with
that
Emily
Schmidt,
you
may
begin.
K
Thank
you,
Mr
chair
for
that
ruling.
Page
99
of
the
estimates
line.
Five
allocates
13
million
dollars
to
hunting
and
Angling
I.
Take
this
to
mean
that
the
department
operates,
the
licensing
for
hunting
and
fishing
in
the
province.
I
have
some
questions.
Around
The
Minister's
special
license
program.
K
Now
some
changes
were
recently
made
to
the
minister
special
license
program
that
allowed
for
year-round
hunting
of
a
number
of
species,
including
bighorn
sheep
Can.
The
minister
explain
why
these
changes
were
made.
Why
nobody
other
than
the
Alberta
Outfitters
were
consulted
in
the
process
for
making
these
changes?
K
What
what
science
was
used
to
justify
the
change
to
to
allow
this
to
happen
related
to
changes
to
the
special
licensing
program?
I.
K
Note
that,
on
page
101
of
the
estimates
that
the
park
hunting
and
angling
is
dedicated
or
is
estimated
to
bring
in
7.5
million
dollars,
how
much
of
that
money
comes
from
the
minister
special
license
program
and
how
do
and
and
who,
who
were
the
who
were
the
special
licenses
awarded
to
and
how
much
did
they
pay
for
these
special
licenses
and
how
does
the
revenue
for
special
licenses
compare
to
previous
years?
K
K
My
final
question:
I,
want
to
Circle
back
to
the
issue
of
the
regulations
under
the
trails.
Act
I
appreciate
that
the
minister
and
the
deputy
minister
try
to
answer
the
question
and
in
fact
the
deputy
Minister
said
that
he
was
giving
additional
information,
and
yet
there
was
no
additional
information.
Given
it's
a
simple
yes
or
no
question:
do
regulations
under
the
trails
act
exist?
K
If,
yes,
where
can
they
be
found
and
if
they're
not
public,
will
the
minister
commit
to
making
those
public
and
then
I
have
time
for
one
more
question
a
couple
of
years
ago
there
was
a
high
profile
appointment
to
our
our
trade
Department
former
MLA
Dave
Rodney.
He
was
pulled
from
Houston.
We
suspect
that
he
is
now
employed
in
the
ministry
that
the
minister
is
chairing.
Can
he
tell
the
minute
tell
the
the
table
what
his
title
if
he
is
working,
can
confirm
that
he
is
working
for
the
ministry.
K
What
his
title
is,
what
his
job
responsibilities
are
and
what
his
annual
salary
will
be
and
I
think
that
about
does
it
for
the
questions.
Thank
you
to
the
minister
for
his
attention.
Thank.
I
It's
really
nothing
personal
I
think
it's
a
it's
a
choice
that
I
have
to
make
whether
we
go
back
and
forth
or
block
time
and
I
choose
block
time
and,
and
so
so
I
think
that's
that's
pretty
simple,
but
getting
into
the
some
of
the
other
questions
here
you
talk
about
13
million
dollars
in
Hunter
into
angling,
revenue
for
licensing
and
page
99
line,
five
I'm,
not
sure
if
that
was
more
of
a
commentary
than
a
question
on
that
one.
I
So
we
talk
about
the
The
Minister's
special
license.
You
asked
quite
a
few
questions
on
that
The
Minister's
special
license
is
something
that
started
I
believe
in
1997,
so
I
think
we've
had
25
years
of
Minister
special
licenses.
I
The
point
of
the
Minnesota
special
license
is
to
provide
opportunities
that
are
to
people
from
both
in
Alberta
and
from
around
the
around
the
world
to
be
able
to
come
to
Alberta
and
hunt.
The
the
license
is
is
exactly
that.
It's
a
license.
There's
there's
12
tags
across
the
six
different
through
six
different
species.
So
basically,
two
two
Hunters
a
year
will
get
these
licenses
for
each
species
and
there's
hundreds
of
thousands
of
funding
licenses
sold
in
this
province.
I
This.
This
is
something
that
happened
while
the
NDP
were
in
government.
They
had
the
ministers
licenses,
they
were
sold
in
auctions
us
and
then
there
was
a
equal
number
of
tags,
raffled
off
to
albertans
and
in
a
lottery
type
situation
where
you
could
buy
a
ticket,
so
each
albertan
has
a
chance
to
do
that.
I
The
licenses
just
like
when,
when
the
NDP
was
in
power,
these
licenses
had
special
Seasons.
It
extended
Beyond
a
regular
season,
and
so
that's
that
that
is
still
going
on
the
the
year-round
license
is
something
that
started
last
year.
So
this
isn't
anything
new.
This
is
something
that's
that's
been
going
on
and
I.
Don't
remember
any
anybody
complaining
about
last
year.
What
had
happened
but
I
do
know
that
there's
election
coming
up
this
year,
so
I
guess
that
might
have
something
to
do
with
why
it's
become
an
issue
now.
I
So
so
I
I
think
that
probably
kind
of
covers
that
we
have
a
again.
We
have
hundreds
of
thousands
of
licenses
of
albertans,
for
instance,
can
buy
a
sheep
license
for
55,
and
the
albertan
can
do
that.
I
This
Minister
special
licenses
again
were
were
developed
to
raise
money
for
conservation
and
that's
exactly
what
they
do.
The
license
that
have
been
sold
so
far
in
Alberta
have
raised
almost
a
million
dollars
that
money
comes
back
to
Alberta
for
conservation
and
just
like
it
did
when
the
NDP
was
in
power
that
that
money
came
back
and
was
used
for
conservation.
So
I
think
it's
actually
a
great
news
story
that
that
people
have
a
that.
I
Albertans
have
a
chance
to
benefit
from
that
those
conservation
efforts
that
money
has
been
spent
on
things
like
Wildlife
surveys
and
things
like
that
that
are
that
benefit
all
wildlife
and
benefit
all
albertans.
So
again,
I
think
that's
that's
a
great
story,
and
again
it
continues
on
from
through
multiple
governments
and
multiple
plans.
So
I
think
that's
that's
good,
so
I'm
just
trying
to
think.
Where
else
you.
I
So
I
think,
oh,
you
did
ask
who
awarded
the
the
those
special
licenses?
Obviously
them
again,
it
goes
back
to
1997.
I
how
the
revenue,
compared
to
other
years,
I
think
this
was
probably
been
one
of
the
one
of
the
best
years
and
as
far
as
revenue
generated
the
the
change
this
year
has
not
increased
the
Harvest.
It's
only
increased
the
the
the
value
to
albertans.
That's
coming
back
this
profits,
so
I
think
that's
I!
Think
that's
a
good
thing
see
here.
I
Oh
okay,
so
and
then
my
involvement
in
the
industry,
the
outfitting
industry.
So,
as
as
you
well
know,
there's
no
no
Minister
can
be
have
be
a
shareholder
in
any
company.
You
were
a
minister
at
one
time,
so
you
know
that
so
I,
don't
think.
That's
any
news
to
you
or
anybody
else
that
that
I'm
no
longer
in
that
industry
anymore,
because
I
can't
be
that
that's
one
thing:
that's
required
with
the
conflict
of
interest
act.
So
so
I
think
that's
that
and
I
I
guess
you
know
you
mentioned
well.
I
I
could
go
back
to
that
industry,
but
I
think
that's
the
same
for
any
Minister.
It
could
go
back
to
whatever
they
came
from.
Quite
often
we
have
an
AG
Minister.
That
has
an
AG
background.
You
know
the
I
I
think
it's
fair,
that
we
could
have
a
school
teacher
as
a
education,
Minister
I
think
it's
fair
that
we
could
have
a
doctor
or
nurse
as
a
the
minister
in.
B
F
And
and
for
my
heads
up
for
my
colleagues,
I
probably
won't
take
the
whole
five
minutes.
I'll
look
to
pass
the
puck
here
soon.
Minister.
Thank
you
for
being
here
looking
for
a
key
objective,
3.3
here,
the
folks
across
talking
about
the
k-pass
quite
a
bit,
but
we
all
know
that
the
money
is
earmarked
for
to
make
the
park
sustainable
and
to
provide
better
services.
So
along
those
lines,
I,
guess
Minister.
What
do
you
have
any
idea
of
how
much
revenue
is
generated
due
to
the
k-pass?
F
And
can
you
give
a
few
examples
of
Investments
made
into
the
area
as
a
result
of
that
money
being
available
through
the
the
k-pass?
Certainly
Heard,
lots
of
complaints
from
people
before
the
passes
in
place
of
Oak
garbage
not
being
picked
up
in
one
thing
in
another,
so
I'm
interested
in
what
kind
of
progress
we're
making
page
59
I
see
a
drop
in
transfers
from
the
government
of
Canada
from
25.6
million
in
the
2324
estimates
to
6.2
in
the
24-25..
F
You
tell
us
why
the
federal
government
is
giving
us
that
much
less
money
and
there
it
is
I-
will
exceed
my
time
to
the
birthday
boy.
Mla.
C
F
B
I
Okay,
thank
you
very
much.
So
we
talk
about
the
k-pass
that
generated
11
million
dollars
in
22.23.
So
last
year
generated
12
million
dollars
in
revenues
and
it
was
reinvested
in
the
K
Country.
I
They
were
expecting.
The
2023
is
slightly
lower
than
year,
one
slightly
lower
post-pandemic
visitation
levels
in
kananascus
and
ongoing
Capital
Improvements
of
high-use
areas,
which
meant
that
some
of
the
more
popular
Trails
were
closed
so
that
that
kind
of
accounts
for
why
there
was
a
lower
Revenue
there
and
low
snowpack
levels
have
impacted
winter
visitation,
especially
for
skiing.
I
I
So,
as
far
as
the
how
the
money
has
been
spent
here,
1.2
million
to
maintain
over
1600
kilometers
of
trails,
500
000
in
Grants
to
support
local
Trail
organizations,
one
point:
1.5
million
to
support
the
public
safety
and
dispatch
program,
450
000
for
human
Wildlife,
coexistent
efforts,
1.5
million
for
Public
Safety
and
Mountain
Rescue
support,
1.5
million
additional
Crown
land
conservation
enforcement
efforts,
1.5
million
for
recreation
management,
including
parking
control
and
1.9
million
for
specialized
facilities
like
the
Canmore
Nordic
Center
and
0.5
million
in
facility
maintenance
and
operations
like
keeping
the
visitor
centers
open.
I
So
the
funding
goes
to
Partnerships
in
k-country
to
do
conservation,
Recreation
work
on
the
ground
with
groups
such
as
the
friends
of
cabinaskis
or
Bragg
Creek
Trails,
as
you
mentioned,
about
the
drop
in
revenue
from
the
federal
government
and
I
think
that
has
to
do
with
the
drop
in
revenue
for
money
coming
in
from
the
federal
government
for
mountain
pine
beetle.
I
I
You
know:
2024
includes
20.7
million
dollar
decrease
due
to
the
completion
of
the
federal
funding,
support
agreement
to
the
province
for
the
mountain
pine,
vital
control
activities
and
one
million
increase
estimated
for
indigenous
Services
candidate
agreement
with
Wildfire
management
up
for
renewal
in
24.25
and
0.3
million
increase
for
proposed
for
junior
forest
rangers
support
with
agreement
renewal
in
2425.,
so
that
kind
of
gives
a
bit
of
a
background.
I
don't
know
if
you
want
to
maybe
get
into
that
more
detail.
Deputy
minister,
on
the
federal
money
going
back
and
forth
on
the
pine
beetle.
M
Yeah
I
mean
I
think
that
that
big
reduction,
the
significant
reduction
that
was
identified
is
because
the
the
agreement
is
expected
to
really
come
to
an
end,
so
that
20,
that
rig
you
know,
is
about
20
million
dollars
annually.
And
so
that's
what
accounts
for
that?
Big
drop
in
the
mountain
pine
beetle,
the
mountain
pine
beetle
funding.
I
Okay,
so
yes
thank
you
very
much,
Deputy
Minister
for
that
yeah,
so
I
I
think
we've
kind
of
covered
that.
But
again,
when
we
look
at
look
at
k-pass,
for
instance,
there
is
a
lot
of
good
work.
That's
being
done
with
those
funds.
Have
a
lot
of.
I
We
have
organizations
that
we
work
with
like
brag,
Creek,
Trails,
Association,
moose,
mountain
bike,
trail,
Society,
friends
of
kananascus
country,
cooperating,
Association,
Kenmore,
an
area
mountain
bike,
Association
Calgary,
mountain
bike,
Alliance
Fellowship,
white
bark,
ecosystem,
Foundation
of
Canada
and
Elbow
River,
Watershed
partnership,
Society,
so
they've
received
funds
anywhere
from
twenty
five
thousand
dollars
to
three
hundred
thousand
dollars,
and
we
appreciate
the
work
that
our
partners
do
in
in
working
with
the
Alberta
Government
and
providing
the
service
that
they
do
for
for
all
of
albertans.
I.
I
I
Obviously,
because
they're
volunteering
and
they're
active
in
their
communities
there,
and
they
want
to
make
things
better,
so
I
I
think
it's
a
it's
great
to
have
these
Partnerships
and
having
these
funds
go
to
these
organizations
and
again
it
leverages
more
work
than
what
we
could
do
as
Government,
just
just
by
paying
for
the
service
to
be
done,
because
again,
they
use
their
volunteers
and
their
organizations,
and
they
have
people
volunteer,
even
equipment
use
where
we
wouldn't
have
that
volunteer
happening
to
the
to
the
Alberta
Government.
So
again,
these
are.
I
These
are
good
Partnerships
and
we
appreciate
the
work
that
they
do
and
some
of
these
associations
have
a
lot
of
volunteers
and
and
they
work.
You
know,
one
organization
like
Bragg
Creek,
Trails
Association
has
about
10
000
volunteer
hours,
and
so,
when
you
look
at
that.
B
Thank
you
Minister.
We
will
now
move
on
to
the
official
opposition
caucus
MLA
Suite,
combined
time
or
block
time.
L
Thank
you,
Mr
chair,
so
I
want
to
go
back
to
the
2.2
million
dollars
that
was
referenced
for
woodwork,
I,
appreciate
all
the
work
that
that
happens
through
that
organization
and
I
recognize
it's
canadian-wide
and
each
province
sort
of
does
their
own
breakdown
of
how
they
want
to
be
the
advocacy
in
the
educational
group
and
all
of
those
things.
L
My
my
question,
though,
when
we
were
talking
about
looking
at
supporting
the
industry
and
value-add
and
Rural
economics,
and
things
like
that
is,
is
there
anything
because
I
don't
see
it
within
the
ministry,
any
other
type
of
support
when
it
comes
to
job
creation,
expansion,
value-add
production,
because
right
now
the
only
key
objective
is
the
soft
like
I
said
the
softwood
lumber
litigation
and
negotiation,
and
yet
there
is
a
whole
Forest
Jobs
action
plan.
L
But
even
when
I
look
at
the
Jobs
action
plan
on
the
government
website,
it
doesn't
necessarily
speak
to
anything
outside
of
fiber
and
harvesting
and
doing
that
sustainably
and
in
fact,
I
would
challenge
that.
It
really
is
the
focus
on
how
to
make
sure
that
all
of
the
allocated
Timber
that
has
been
provided
to
Industry
is
being
utilized,
which
I
find
a
little
bit
ironic
only
because
it
really
is
up
to
Industry
and
their
fmas
about
when
they
decide
to
harvest
and
their
their
planning
around.
L
But
yet,
when
I
look
at
this,
the
immediate
actions
are
working
with
companies
to
ensure
utilization
about
the
allocated,
Timber
and
then
auctioning
off
in
a
competitive
process.
The
annual
allowable
Cuts
so
can
I,
guess
I
get
walked
through
the
job
action
plan
and
then
how
it
is
that
the
government
is
actually
supporting
value-add.
L
There
are
many
Sawmills
and
Paul
Mills
who
are
looking
at
doing
expansion
into
biofuels
looking
at
biomass,
doing
other
types
of
production,
and
yet
we
we
see
in
the
budget
in
the
capital
plan
huge
investments
in
oil
and
gas,
the
irrigation
networks,
which
is
federally
supported.
We
have
apip,
and
yet,
under
the
agricultural
natural
resources,
page
of
106,
of
the
capital
plan,
forestry
isn't
even
mentioned.
L
So
what's
the
plan
minister?
I
I
So,
but
when
it
comes
to
the
the
forest
Jobs
action
plan,
it's
a
commitment
to
provide
sustainable,
long-term
fiber
access
to
Forest
companies,
and
so
that
is
that
is
important,
and
that
is
what
we're
focused
on
doing
in
order
to
make
sure
that
we
have
the
have
these.
The
forest
companies
keep
the
people
working,
keep
their
meals
going
and
and
keep
operating
in
on
the
landscape.
I
And
again,
as
you
mentioned,
you
know
they
we
develop
Forest
management
plans
and
in
conjunction
with
the
forest
companies
and
there's
other
things
on
the
on
the
landscape
that
is
affecting
them.
Of
course,
some
danger
species
and
things
like
that
that
have
to
be
worked
through,
which
so
there's
a
lot
of
a
lot
of
issues
that,
when
we're
developing
those
plans
that
they
have
to
be
worked
on,
and
so
we
got
to
make
sure
that
we
have
proper
sustainable
Forest
management.
I
I
When
we
look
look
through
the
the
benefits
of
the
the
forest
industry,
we
have
17
communities
that
are
relying
on
the
foreign
Forest
industry
for
at
least
10
percent
of
their
of
all
local
salaries
and
wages.
So
that
makes
a
huge
difference
on
in
those
communities.
The
industry
directly
employs
17
000
workers
and
supports
an
additional
twenty
four
thousand
jobs
with
contractor
suppliers
and
workers
in
the
industry.
I
So
again,
we
have
I
think
one
thing
that
we
can
we
can
point
to
as
far
as
the
the
situation
in
Alberta
versus
other
jurisdictions
is
the
forest
companies
are
here,
they're
investing
money,
they're
spending
money
they
because
they
know
that
they
this
this
a
low
tax
environment,
that's
something
that
attracts
business,
but
it
also.
I
They
also
know
that
they
have
a
secure,
fiber
access
here
in
Alberta
too,
so
that
that's
why
again,
I
think
I
mentioned
it
previously
that
when
the
price
of
the
Forest
Products
dropped
here
recently
the
the
forest
companies
they
shut
down
more
in
BC
than
Alberta,
substantially
more
and
so
I
think
we
have.
We
have
a
pretty
good
the
market
here
for
the
forest
companies.
We
have
to
continue
to
work
with
them
and
make
sure
that
we
we
continue
to
do
that
now.
I
N
N
A
C
E
N
So
when
they're,
making
a
brand
new
product
or
do
systems
right
now
or
baseball
on
the
product
price
of
the
product
and
what
they're
giving
that
value.
But.
A
N
L
Interesting:
okay,
thank
you
for
that,
and
and
I
just
want
to
comment.
I
haven't
said
anything
on
the
record
that
isn't
publicly
printed
I
was
actually
reading
immediate
actions
right
off
the
Alberta
job
action
plan
that
was
printed
in
May,
so
I'm,
very
sensitive
to
the
soft
Lumber
dispute,
conversation
and
I
believe
there's
nothing.
That's
that's
been
discussed
here
that
would
imply
or
influence
that
at
all.
L
At
this
point,
I
do
want
to
emphasize
that
I
do
think
that
there
is
an
opportunity
here
to
be
supporting
the
industry
in
a
different
way
to
bring
in
that
value,
add
and
that
I
think
that
they're
there
is
creative
ways
that
will
not
impede
the
discussion
around
the
softwood
lumber.
That
would
not
be
be
in
contravention
of
any
of
the
agreements
or
anything
like
that.
I
think.
L
In
fact,
if
we
look
at
what's
happening
in
the
United
States
right
now,
it
would
be
they
would
be
hard-pressed
based
on
some
of
the
things
that
are
happening
in
some
of
their
new
legislation.
So
I
do
want
to
talk
about
the
regulations
again
on
the
trails
act,
though,
because
I
don't
think
we've
actually
gotten
there
and
I
know.
My
colleagues
asked
about
it
before
I.
Just
I
I
appreciate
that
you
said
afpa
has
been
in
consultation
when
the
legislation
was
drafted.
L
Are
they
part
of
being
consulted
on
the
regulations
and
ensuring
that,
like
how
are
the
regulations
being
developed?
Are
they
developed
and
who
is
being
consulted
in
regards
to
that
development
because
it
needs
to
be
across
sector
conversation?
It
impacts
agriculture,
it
impacts
forestry,
it
impacts
Parks,
it
impacts
oil
and
gas
like
the
the
complexity
of
Land.
Management
is
is
a
concern
and
so
I'm
just
wondering
how
those
regulations
are
being
done
like
are
they
finished.
I
Okay,
I
just
wanted
to
to
go
back
to
the
software
Lumber
dispute
there
and
I
think
just
so
we're
clear
that
the
issue
is,
if
there's
anything,
viewed
as
a
subsidy
or
subsidization
of
the
industry.
That's
what's
going
to
trigger
the
trigger
the
U.S
to
possibly
respond.
So
so
that's
the
the
concern
there
when
it
comes
to
the
trails.
Act
of
I
mean
the
trails
act
as
an
is
enabling
legislation
to
actually
do
the
work
that
that's
that's
planned
there
and
I'm,
not
sure.
If
that's
epic
Minister
will.
M
Add
something
to
him
too.
Two
two
comments:
there
are:
no
breaks
have
been
established
yet
so
I
can
be
clear
on
that
point
and
as
as
implementation
of
the
trails
act
continues,
we
have
within
government
or
the
integrated
resource
management
system.
That
is
about
the
coordination
across
all
of
the
Land
Management
groups:
energy,
agriculture,
ourselves,
Environmental,
Protection
areas,
the
Alberta
energy
regulator.
B
G
Would
like
combined
time
with
the
minister,
it
is
my
birthday
so
I
appreciate
it.
Yeah,
yeah
and
I
want
to
thank
the
minister
for
the
member
for
Calgary
Hayes
for
the
special
birthday
wish
really
appreciate
it.
G
Nice
on
the
big,
the
big
4-0,
Minister
I,
would
say
through
the
chair
and
feeling
really
good,
so
also
I
would
just
say
that
going
back
to
member
roswell's
comment,
I
also
quite
enjoy
your
cooking.
So
again,
thank
you
and
great
to
see
you
I
would
say
through
the
chair
and
also
Minister.
Thank
you
so
much
for
the
big
announcement
we
had
in
Sherwood
Park
recently
you
had
done
via
your
ministry.
I
was
sorry
I
couldn't
make
it,
but
just
thanks
for
making
the
time
to
do
that.
G
Announcement
in
Sherwood
Park
I
want
to
begin
Minister
talking
about
the
mountain
pine
beetle
infestation.
G
We
know
that
the
mountain
pine
beetle
infestation
is
a
threat
to
the
health
of
our
arboreal
forest
and
I'm
glad
to
see
the
government
measuring
the
impact
of
this.
So
two
questions
here,
minister:
one
can
the
minister
highlight
some
ways:
his
ministry
is
working
to
combat
the
mountain
pine
beetle
infestation,
and
is
there
any
dedicated
funding
for
this
I?
Think
I'll
just
start
there
Minister
I'd
like
to
hear
your
comments.
Okay,.
I
E
I
Do
remember
it
still,
so
it
wasn't
that
far
ago,
but
but
yes
and
and
yeah
appreciated,
have
being
able
to
have
that
that
announcement
in
Sherwood
Park.
That
was
important
and
I
appreciate
that
you
couldn't
make
it,
but
that
was
a
great
Community
to
have
that
happen.
So,
but
as
far
as
the
mountain
pine
beetle,
so
Alberta's
management
of
mountain
Pineville
is
based
in
Forest
science
and
the
most
current
information
on
beetle
biology
impacts
and
mitigation
measures.
I
The
current
provincial
program
is
recognized
internationally
as
an
effective
and
efficient
program,
that
is,
that
is
significantly
reduced
to
Beetle
population
and
averted
economic
and
environmental
disaster.
Experience
in
BC
management
of
the
mountain
Pineville
Alberta
has
relied
on
assessing
the
current
status
and
risk
spread,
determining
immigration
of
the
beetle
populations
and
pursuing
a
cheap,
achievable
objectives.
Alberta's
Management
program
employs
a
short-term
Beetle
Focus
strategy
and
a
long-term
Pine
Focus
strategy.
I
The
short-term
strategy
consists
of
direct
fetal
population
management
through
Single
Tree
control
treatments,
Alberta's
aggressive
survey
and
control
program
has
seen
the
number
of
infested
trees
decrease
in
areas
where
infestations
are
actively
managed.
The
long-term
strategy
is
focused
on
reducing
the
amount
of
suitable
Pine
hosts
on
the
landscape
through
harvesting
prior
to
infestation,
while
considering
other
important
Forest
values.
In
the
long
term,
a
more
age-diverse
Forest
may
be
achieved.
I
Alberta
uses
various
management
measures
like
population
monitoring,
risk
assessment,
risk
assessments,
cutting
and
burning
infested
trees
and
the
harvesting
of
Highly
vulnerable.
Fine
to
reduce
the
impact
of
mountain
pine
beetle
on
our
provinces
for
us,
Alberta
also
administers
the
pine
beetle
Municipal
grant
program.
This
program
assists
Department
in
the
control,
suppression
and
eradication
of
beetle
on
Municipal
and
private
lands.
Municipalities
are
key
Partners
in
relation
to
these
management
activities.
Impacts
to
Timber
resources
can
have
catastrophic
effects
on
communities
with
forest-based
economies.
I
In
addition,
the
protection
of
high
value
pine
trees
is
a
genuine
concern
of
Municipal
governments
and
landowners,
so
this
grant
program
provides
a
mechanism
to
increase
the
effectiveness
of
the
province's
management
program.
In
addition,
it
positions
the
department
as
a
willing
partner
in
the
fight
against
mountain
pine
beetle
outside
the
forest
of
public
lands.
The
program
provides
funding
to
support
the
cost
of
control
operations
and
expert
advice
to
municipalities.
To
support
this
Management
on
Municipal
and
private
lands,
so
just
to
kind
of
summarize
it
it's.
I
Obviously
we
work
with
others
to
make
sure
that
we
have
that
opportunity
to
control
the
pine
beetle
across
the
province.
It's
the
numbers
have
dropped
dramatically
in
the
last
few
years.
So
that's
and
we've
had
some
weather.
That's
been
helpful
for
that
too,
still
are
concerned
about
the
Bull,
Valley
and
Calgary
area
and
we're
keeping
monitoring
that
as
with
the
rest
of
Alberta,
but
but
it
is
a
pretty
good
story
now
compared
to
where
we
were
a
few
just
a
few
years
ago.
I
I
Again,
it's
been
like
the
density
is
decreased
from
probably
3.5
trees
per
square
kilometer
in
2019
to
0.13
trees
per
kilometer,
that's
per
square
kilometer
in
2022.
So
that's
a
dramatic
decrease
in
the
number
of
fine
beetles
across
the
province,
but
again
we're
still
we're
still
focused
on
it.
We're
not
taking
a
foot
off
the
gas,
we're
still
making
sure
that
we're
watching
that
situation
well,.
G
G
To
restore
and
renew
the
Alberta
Advantage
we're
booming
again
we're
we're
leaving
the
country
we
are
the
economic
engine.
I
should
be
so
with
regard
to
red
tape
and
reducing
it
in
perhaps
your
areas
of
jurisdiction,
ministering
your
ministry.
Now,
as
the
MLA
I
hear
all
the
time
you
know,
what's
the
government
doing
to
reduce
red
tape
and
we
were
proud
to
recently
give
a
I
believe
an
A
plus
rating
I
think
from
the
cfib
as
a
government,
some
red
tape,
production
production
and
I'm
so
proud
to
be
part
of
a
government
Minister.
G
Regulatory
burdens
for
albertans
now
key
objective
2.1
on
page
57
of
the
business
plan,
is
to
minimize
Regulatory
and
process
barriers
to
improve
Service
delivery,
reduce
red
tape
and
support
economic
opportunities
on
Crown
lands
and
forests.
So
can
the
minister
give
us
an
overview
of
how
the
ministry
is
still
looking
for
ways
to
reduce
red
tape
while
keeping
our
forests
and
Crown
lands
protected.
I
Yeah,
so
it's
actually,
we
have
a
great
great
success.
Success
story
in
this
ministry,
so
we
you
know
the
Alberta
Government
is
committed
to
cutting
red
tape,
count
by
one-third
saving,
albertan's
time,
money
and
resources
while
protecting
the
environment
and
kick
safe
and
healthy.
So
as
of
January
2023,
forestry
parks
and
tourism
has
reduced
its
red
tape
by
42.96
percent,
exceeding
Alberta
government's
overall
Target
reduction
of
33
percent,
produce
red
tape
and
approve
the
timeliness
of
permit
approvals.
I
The
parks
division
launched
an
online
permit
portal
in
June
2020,
which
has
reduced
its
red
tape
reduction
count
by
545.
Permit
costs
are
kept
low
to
avoid
burdening
businesses,
operators
or
other
visitors
wishing
to
enjoy
Alberta
parks.
The
following
permits
are
now
available
for
application
via
the
online
permit
portal.
Firearm
discharge
permits
tree
cutting
permits,
special
events,
weddings
permits,
guiding
and
instructing
permits,
and
research
and
collection
permits.
So
again,
those
are
all
available
online.
I
Now
the
parks
division
will
continue
to
transition
additional
permit
application
process
to
the
online
portal,
making
the
application
process
easier
and
more
streamlined
for
applicants,
AS
application
processes,
Move
online
forms
and
web
content
is
reviewed
and
updated
to
support.
Business
needs,
reflective
reflective
feedback
from
applicants
and
reviewed
for
red
tape,
reduction
considerations,
so
forestry
parks
and
tourism
is
also
working
to
prove
the
speed
and
efficiency
of
current
service
standards.
I
The
department
has
thoroughly
reviewed
approval,
Times
And,
Timely
timelines
and
identified
opportunities
to
shorten
existing
service
standards
and
establish
service
standards
where
they
do
not
already
exist.
These
changes
will
ensure
timely
review
and
decision
making
processes.
For
example,
the
forestry
division
has
identified
a
suite
of
approval
items
where
the
service
standard
can
be
shortened
or
can
be
established
for
items
without
a
service.
Standard
engagement
with
the
forest
sector
on
the
proposed
new
service
standards
is
ongoing.
I
Our
Forester
division
is
also
currently
working
with
the
Aboriginal
consult
consultation
office
to
implement
an
improved
digital
service
system
that
will
help
Alberta
Force
companies
input
indigenous
consultation
information
more
easily
and
reduce
review
timelines.
Albert
also
administers
sorry.
Lands
operations
is
also
to
is
taking
deliberate
steps
to
address
red
tape
and
modernize
approvals
on
Crown
Land
actions
underway
include
addressing
the
public
land
sale
backlog,
which
will
be
fully
addressed
within
the
next
year.
Speeding
up
the
process,
time
for
disposition,
renewals
and
transfers
and
clarifying
requirements
for
our
applications.
I
Recent
successes
to
highlight
include
fully
addressing
the
grazing
renewal
backlog.
Raising
renewals
are
now
processed
prior
to
expiry.
We
are
working
towards
assignments
of
grades
and
leases
being
completed
within
seven
days.
That's
down
from
I
think,
11
months,
just
a
year
and
a
half
ago,
the
department
is
also
modernizing
through
digital
regulatory
Assurance
system,
so
the
first
phase
for
lands
will
be
released
later
this
year.
Modernizing
our
Digital
Services
is
a
key
component
to
ensuring
timely
access
to
our
programs
and
services
and
delivering
our
regulatory
oversight
mandate.
G
Well,
thank
you
for
all
that.
I'm
also
really
happy
to
hear
that
the
grazing
lease
I
guess
I
would
call
it
a
backlog
or
something
has.
It
has
been
corrected
and
it's
greatly
reduced
from
11
months
to
seven
I.
Remember
a
few
years
ago
you
and
I
had
talked
about
that,
and
you
expressed
your
frustration.
We
want
to
expedite
that
and
reduce
that
red
tape
there
so
I'm
glad
to
hear
that's
been
resolved
and
thanks
for
your
time,
great.
L
Think
you
go
back
and
forth.
Mr
chair,
yeah,
okay,
okay,
I'm,
gonna,
ask
one
question:
that's
a
little
bit
off
for
the
rest
of
my
questions,
the
licensing
special
licensing.
Do
you
have
the
responsibility
of
the
wild
boar
program
with
the
ears.
I
A
A
M
The
under
the
wildlife,
Act
and
or
under
the
I
can't
remember
what
piece
of
legislation
is,
but
they
haven't
designated
as
a
past
and
agriculture
has
a
a
wild
boar
Management
program
in
place,
there's
a
whole
sound
or
trapping
program.
The
most
effective
way
to
couch
is
by
doing
Sounder,
there's
connections
with
the
grants,
municipalities
as
well.
Okay,.
L
L
I
want
to
talk
about
carbon
and
I'm
gonna
list
it
back
to
outcome
two,
which
is
to
effectively
support
Diversified
economic
prosperity.
The
minister
seeks
to
create
a
business
environment
and
infrastructure
upon
which
the
forests
yeah
yeah,
all
the
sectors
can
Thrive
and
achieve
their
economic
potential.
L
It
also
is
provide
timely,
transparent
decisions
to
support
environmentally
sustainable
forestry,
natural
resource
and
tourism
economic
opportunities.
Is
there
a
discussion
or
are?
Has
there
been
a
discussion
relation
to
looking
at
voluntary
and
Regulatory
carbon
markets
in
relation
to
forestry
and
bringing
them
in
as
a
partner
in
addressing
the
carbon
capture?
Conversation
that's
happening
both
at
the
federal
level
and
the
provincial
level.
I
So
yes,
so
EPA
has
the
lead
on
this.
Okay,
because
it's
environment
protected
areas,
they're
they're
part
of
their
their
mandate
there.
But
we
are
in
discussions
with
them,
but
you
know
in
the
fall
Premier
Smith
Tasker
government
was
delivering
on
a
number
of
items
through
an
updated
mandate.
This
included
developing
a
made
in
Alberta
climate
strategy
and
standing
up
against
Federal
intrusion
into
Alberta's
jurisdiction
over
Resource
Management.
L
Yeah
and
I
think
I
appreciate
that
I
do
think.
Okay,
so
I
appreciate
the
looking
at
the
carbon
Market
is
either
happening
under
two
or
they're
doing
it
under
possibly
something
else
so
I
I
get
that
I
guess
there
are
other
strategies
around
the
carbon
capture
that
I
believe
forestry
could
be
looking
at
with
support
of.
L
Maybe
some
research
and
understanding
I
think
when
you
know
I
appreciate
speaking
about
looking
at
Wildfire
management,
looking
at
whether
or
not
we're
leaving
debris
on
on
Forest
floors,
those
sorts
of
strategies
and
whether
those
are
being
built
into
a
carbon
conversation
for
forestry
I
think
that
they
can
be
a
big
player
in
the
conversation.
L
I
think
that
there's
a
lot
of
opportunity
when
it
comes
to
education
and
people,
understanding
the
carbon
capture
component
when
it
comes
to
Wood
buildings
as
well
as
just
harvesting
practices
and
so
I
think
it
would
be
I,
would
encourage
the
minister
to
be
able
to
come
up
with
with
that
as
part
of
the
carbon
strategy
and
the
carbon
conversation
I
know
when
we've
been
at
afpa,
we've
had
conversations
around
sort
of
what
like?
L
Could
there
be
a
consideration
of
a
cover
crop
idea,
that's
similar
to
what
they're
doing
in
agriculture
those
sorts
of
things
the
other
piece
around?
That
is,
if
we
could
maybe
chat
a
little
bit
too
just
around
the
environmental
sustainability.
L
There's
obviously
conflicts
around
Sarah
in
the
context
of
endangered
our
endangered
species
and
I'm
just
wondering
what
strategies
you're
doing
to
support
the
work
around
Caribou
bear.
There's
a
bird
now,
which
is
really
bad.
I
should
know
who
the
bird
is.
L
If
I
forget
the
bird,
the
trout,
we
got
lots
of
animals
in
Alberta
that
are
now
listed
on
this
on
the
list,
which
I
think
is
having
significant
impacts
on
making
sure
that
we
are
addressing
the
environmental
components
that
need
to
be
whether
it's
be
the
buffer
zones,
whether
it
be
looking
at
nesting
and
measuring
over
the
year.
L
I
I
The
federal
government
has
introduced
measures
under
the
species
at
risk
act
to
provide
protection
for
three
cold
water
trout
species,
as
well
as
an
update.
The
migratory
convention,
migratory
Birds
convention
act
regulations
and
these
measures
could
have
significant
impacts
on
the
management
of
Alberta's
Forest,
delaying
Harvest
reforestation
operations
and
increasing
operating
costs
to
the
forest
sector.
I
So
again
we're
working
alongside
environment
and
protected
areas,
and-
and
we
continue
to
engage
with
the
federal
department
of
fisheries
and
Alberta
Forest
Products
Association
identify
opportunities
for
better
alignment
between
the
two
regulatory
bodies,
so
the
the
bird
that
you
were
thinking
of
is
the
pileated
woodpecker,
which
is
something
that
just
came
up,
which
is
it's
interesting
enough.
That's
Woody
Woodpecker
is
Affiliated
woodpecker
just
for
interesting.
I
So
the
the
kind
of
the
the
the
freshwater
the
fish
that
are
of
concern
is
the
West
slope
cut
throughout
Athabasca,
rainbow
trail
to
the
Coursey
Alberta
boat
Trail,
which
is
the
Alberta
fish.
So
so
again
we're
these
these.
These
issues
do,
you
know,
do
create
challenges
for
the
forestry
industry,
and
then
we
understand
that
and
we
want
to
be
able
to
work
with
the
feds
to
make
sure
that
we
we
have
the
best
Solutions
possible
and
I
think
we
can
agree
on
on.
I
You
know
on
forest's,
Force
being
a
huge
carbon
sink
and
that
there
is
some
things
that
we
can
do
to
help
with
the
the
issues
of
carbon
with
fire
management
and
debris
control,
and
things
like
that.
So
I
think
there's
a
lot
of
things.
We
can
work
together
on
that,
just
trying
to
think
of
anything
else
there
in
your
kind
of
your
comments,
but
I
think
that's
probably
it
yeah.
I
So
no
I
think
that's
a
good
again
looking
back
to
those
those
species
at
risk,
and
we
also
have
the
Caribou,
of
course,
which
are
which
are
of
great
concern
to
to
Industry
and
to
albertans.
As
a
whole,
as
far
as
making
sure
that
we
can,
we
can
have
Caribou
on
the
landscape,
but
also
have
industry
working
too.
L
Okay,
let's,
let's
go
into
your
area
of
the
province:
let's
chat
about
the
north
for
a
bit.
Let's
talk
about
jobs
in
the
north,
so
I'm
hearing
I
mean
I,
think
we're
hearing
it
all
across
the
province
around
the
labor
shortage,
concerns
and
I
know
that
part
of
the
target
is
working
with
indigenous
communities,
and
you
know
building
relationships
looking
at
at
being
able
to
incorporate
different
programming
and
things
like
that
in
regards
to
working
with
stakeholders
and
Indigenous
communities,
I'm
curious
from
a
jobs
perspective.
L
If
there's
a
strategy
happening,
you
spoke
a
little
bit
about
tourism,
but
with
in
partnership
with
forestry,
but
also
other
communities.
So
not
just
the
indigenous
communities,
but
I
mean
a
minister.
You
would
know
this
better
than
I,
but
like
there's
a
significant
Mennonite
Community,
there's
other
communities
up
in
the
north.
That
may
be
able
to
be
supported
in
in
learning
about
forestry
and
and
being
mentored
into
working
into
those
programs.
Just
wondering
like
I
know,
work
wild.
L
I
Yeah
so
yeah
you
brought
up
the
the
indigenous
sector
and
we
have
the
280
fire
attack.
Crews
I
think
there's
30
35
different
Crews
that
are
that
have
280
indigenous
people
working
on
the
fire
tax,
so
so
I
think
that's
a.
A
I
Story
there,
when
it
comes
to
the
other
communities
again,
we
when
we
look
across
the
the
landscape
in
the
north
you're
exactly
right.
We
do
have
Labor
shortages.
There,
too.
We
have
things
that
we,
we
have
lots
of
different
sectors
that
are
that
are
needing
needing
needing
employees,
and
so
when
it
comes
to
trying
to
serve
those
those
people,
you
know
we.
I
You
mentioned
some
of
the
communities
in
the
North,
like
the
Mennonite
community
and
they're
they're,
highly
active
in
the
logging
and
Forestry
industry,
and
when
we
also
know
that
when
it
comes
to
rural
tourism
development
that
we've
spent
we're
spending
five
million
dollars
a
year
to
for
that
kind
of
development
to
and
that's
funding
that
goes
to
travel
Alberta,
to
make
sure
that
we
good.
B
A
H
You
Minister
and
thank
you
I'm,
so
excited
to
talk
about
what
a
wonderful
Ministry
you
have
the
opportunity
to
serve
in
Alberta
is
such
a
beautiful
place
so
glad
that
we
have
a
minister
with
some
unique
competencies
and
background
experience
that
he
can
contribute
to
making
this
ministry
in
Alberta
even
better
I
know
we're
short
on
time.
I
just
have
two
questions.
Minister
first
of
all,
I
wanted
to
I
was
excited
to
hear
as
you're
talking
about
on
page
58.
H
It
talks
about
178
million
to
refurbish
and
enhance
outdoor
recreational
opportunities,
natural
features
and
buildings
on
Crown
lands,
and
you
in
particular
mentioned
the
David
Corridor
David
Thompson
corridor,
I'd
sure
be
interested
in
a
little
bit
of
information
about
that
and
in
the
west
country
in
general.
There's
I
enjoy
recreating
in
the
west
country,
as
do
many
families
and
individuals
in
central
Alberta
and
kind
of
a
unique
story.
There's
a
trail
that
you
can
take
an
off-road
highway
vehicle
on
it's.
H
It's
only
open
to
those
vehicles
in
in
December
and
January,
but
you
can
go
to
quite
deep
in
and
there's
a
place
called
40
mile,
Patrol
cabin
and
it's
an
asset
of
the
province
of
Alberta,
and
when
we
went
there
observed
that
the
Alberta
flag
there
needed
to
be
replaced
and
kind
of
a
neat
story
and
I
think
this
is,
you
know,
kind
of
you
know,
there's
a
lot
of
collaboration,
words
and
Partnerships
with
other
organizations
and
I
know
an
individual
I
think
coordinated
with
your
ministry
and
we
replaced
the
Alberta
flag.
H
There
got
a
new
one
up,
and
just
that
kind
of
experience
where
we
have
these
blessed
areas
that
we
can
recreate
in
and
that
90.
You
know
the
vast
majority
of
users
of
those
wonderful
beautiful
resources.
Do
you
want
to
make
it
better,
so
I
would
be
interested
in
just
some
specific
Investments
that
are
being
looked
at
for
the
David
Thompson
Corridor
I.
H
Remember
as
a
father
as
well
I'm
using
the
Rockies
helicopter
service
to
take
my
young
Sons
on
backpacking
trips,
we
would
be
flown
into
some
of
these
remote
Lakes
Landslide
lake
lake
of
the
falls.
What
a
beautiful
name!
It's
such
a
beautiful
place
too
shell
Lakes,
one
of
the
only
places
where
you
can
fish
for
golden
trout
and
then
we
would
hike
out
because
they
were
pretty
young
and
it
was
a
long
ways
to
go.
So
it
was
downhill,
is
a
little
easier
and
then
just
connected
with
those
investments.
H
Just
want
to
know
you
know,
while
the
vast
majority
of
users
are
responsible.
Unfortunately,
there
are
some
who
are
not
and
I
just
want
to
understand
a
little
bit
about.
You
know
making
sure
that
you
know
people
are
respectful
of
these
beautiful
resources
when
they
use
it,
and
you
know
some
of
the
efforts
and
initiatives
on
that
front.
You
know
for
the
small
minority
who
aren't
respectful.
H
I
Okay,
thank
you
very
much
for
that.
I
appreciate
that,
and
you
started
by
talking
about
the
the
great
ministry
for
forestry
parks
and
tourism
and
I,
agree
I'm,
proud
to
represent
this
ministry
and
we're
proud
of
the
people
that
work
within
the
ministry.
The
good
work
that
they
do
when
it
comes
to
the
the
spending.
You
know
it's
always
hard.
As
conservatives,
we
always
try
to
figure
out
okay,
should
we
be
spending
this
money
on
these
things
or
not?
I
How
much
and
where
should
it
Go
and
it's
that's
always
a
balance,
but
but
we
know
that
that
albertans
appreciate
the
outdoors.
Like
you
mentioned,
you
know
the
vast
majority
of
albertans
appreciate
the
opportunity
to
go
to
these
great
places
and,
and
it's
just
great
to
be
able
to
have
some
facilities
for
them
to
to
enjoy
it.
It's
actually
better
for
the
environment
to
have
the
facilities
there,
rather
than
not
have
the
facilities
for
them
to
to
use
while
they're
out
there.
I
So
when
it
comes
to
the
David,
Thompson,
Corridor
I
think
then
the
capital
plan
I
think
we
have
about
4.1
million
dollars
that
the
upgrades
are
focused
on
developing
parking,
lots,
access,
roads,
toilets
signage,
staging
areas,
rusting
Camp,
rustic
camping
areas
and
bear
lockers
with
the
provision
of
this
infrastructure.
It
is
expected
to
start
to
address
the
pressures
and
safety
issues
that
have
been
observed
and
experienced
in
the
area.
I
So
again
when
we
have
so
many
people
going
to
these
these
great
areas
and-
and
you
listed
off
so
many
beautiful
parts
of
our
provinces,
one
after
another,
there
40
mile
Patrol
cabin
which
I
haven't
been
to
yet
but
I,
know
it's
on
my
list
of
things
to
do.
I
look
forward
to
go
there
and
see
the
flag
that
that
you
guys
hung
up
there
at
the
new
flag.
So.
B
I
apologize
for
the
interruption,
but
I
must
advise
the
committee
that
the
time
allocated
allotted
for
for
consideration
of
the
ministry's
estimate
has
concluded.
I
would
like
to
remind
committee
members
that
we
are
scheduled
to
meet
tomorrow,
March
16
2023
at
9
00
a.m.
To
consider
the
estimates
of
the
ministry
of
infrastructure.
Thank
you.
Everyone
I
think
we
had
a
good
meeting
this
evening.
We
covered
many
aspects
of
the
ministry,
forestry
and
the
trails
we
even
talked
about
saving
Woody
Woodpecker
and
what
we
have
to
do
a
vote
invasive
wild
boar.
So
thank
you
for.