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Today,
my
Deputy
Minister
ran
Legend
S
I
have
Mr
Brad
Smith
who's
assistant,
Deputy,
minister
of
financial
services
and
CFO
I
also
have
Mr
Marlon
de
Grande
assistant
Deputy,
minister
of
public
security
and
Mr
Alex
Thompson
executive
director
of
community
Justice
and
integrated
services
with
me
here
today.
Also
in
the
gallery.
I
also
have
Mr
Stephen
Lacroix,
the
assistant
Deputy
Minister
Albert
Emergency
Management
agency
I
have
Ms
Elizabeth
mcavey,
the
assistant
Deputy
minister
of
strategy,
support
and
integrated
initiatives
and
Mr
radwell's
executive
director
of
financial
services.
Thank
you,
chair.
A
Big
items
to
address
before
we
turn
to
the
business
at
hand.
Please
note
that
the
microphones
are
operated
by
Hansard
staff
committee.
Proceedings
are
live
streamed
on
the
internet
and
broadcast
on
Alberta
assembly
TV.
The
audio
and
visual
stream
and
transcripts
and
meetings
can
be
accessed
via
legislative
assembly
website.
A
Honorable
members,
the
standing
order
set
out
in
the
process
for
consideration
of
the
main
estimates,
a
total
of
three
hours
has
been
scheduled
for
consideration
of
the
estimates
for
the
ministry
of
Public
Safety
and
Emergency
Services
standing
order.
59.016
establishes
the
speaking
rotation
and
speaking
times
in
brief,
the
minister
or
member
of
executive
Council,
acting
on
The
Minister's
behalf.
We'll
have
10
minutes
to
address
the
committee
at
the
conclusion
of
The
Minister's
comments.
A
60-minute
speaking
block
for
the
official
opposition
begins
followed
by
a
20-minute
speaking
block
for
independent
members.
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If
members
have
any
questions
regarding
speaking
times
or
rotation,
please
send
an
email
or
a
message
to
the
committee
clerk
about
the
process.
With
the
concurrence
of
the
committee,
I
will
call
a
five-minute
break
near
the
midpoint
meeting.
However,
the
three-hour
clock
will
continue
to
run.
Does
anyone
oppose
having
a
break
break.
A
Pardon
me
Ministry
officials
may
present
and
at
the
direction
of
the
minister
May
address
the
committee.
Ministry
officials,
seeing
the
gout
Beth
called
upon,
have
access
to
a
microphone
in
the
gallery
area
and
are
asked
to
please
introduce
themselves
for
the
record
prior
to
commenting
pages
are
also
available
to
deliver
notes
or
other
materials
between
the
gallery
and
the
table.
Attendees
in
the
gallery
may
not
approach
the
table.
A
Space
permitting
opposition
Cox
staff
may
sit
at
the
table
to
assist
their
members.
However,
member
members
have
priority
to
sit
at
the
table
at
all
times.
If
debate
is
exhausted
prior
to
three
hours,
the
ministry's
estimates
are
deemed
to
have
been
considered
for
the
time
allotted
in
the
schedule
and
the
committee
will
points
of
order
will
be
dealt
with
as
they
rise
and
individual
speaking
times
will
be
paused.
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However,
the
speaking
block
time
and
the
overall
three-hour
meeting
clock
will
continue
to
run
any
written
material
provided
in
response
to
questions
raised
during
the
main
estimates
should
be
tabled
by
the
minister
in
the
assembly
for
the
benefit
of
all
members.
The
vote
on
estimates
and
amendments
will
occur
in
Committee
of
the
supply
on
March
16
2023
amendments
must
be
in
writing
and
approved
by
parliamentary
Council
prior
to
the
meeting
at
which
they
are
to
be
moved.
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The
original
amendment
is
to
be
deposited
with
the
committee
clerk
with
20
hard
copies.
An
electronic
version
of
the
signed
original
should
be
provided
to
the
committee
clerk
for
distribution
to
committee
members.
Finally,
the
committee
should
have
the
opportunity
to
hear
both
questions
and
answers
without
interruption.
During
estimates
debate,
debate
flows
through
the
chair
at
all
times.
Please,
including
instances
when
speaking
time
is
shared
between
a
member
and
the
minister
I,
would
now
invite
that
the
minister
of
public
affairs
and
emergency
services
to
begin
with
your
opening,
Mark
Sir.
B
Well,
thank
you
Madam
chair
good
day,
everyone
and
thank
you
for
being
here
I'd,
first
like
to
acknowledge
that
I'm
honored
to
be
speaking
here
today
on
treaty
six
territories,
the
traditional
Gathering
Place
of
many
diverse
First,
Nations
and
metis
people.
Today,
I
will
be
presenting
the
public
safety,
Emergency
Services
business
plan
and
estimates,
and
first
like
to
introduce
my
Ministry
officials.
B
I
did
miss
one
earlier
so
I'm
going
to
repeat:
Ms
rayan
legendes
Deputy,
minister
of
Public
Safety
Emergency,
Services,
Mr,
Brad,
Smith
assistant,
Deputy,
Minister
financial
services
and
C
SFO
Mr
Marlon
de
Grant
assistant
Deputy,
minister
of
Public,
Safety
Mr,
Alex,
Thompson,
executive,
director
of
community
Justice,
integrated
services
and
of
course,
we
have
in
the
gallery:
Ms
Fiona,
Lavoy
assistant,
Deputy,
minister
of
Correctional
Services.
B
Thank
you
for
being
here:
the
quality
system,
Deputy
Minister,
Alberta,
Emergency,
Management
agency,
Ms,
Elizabeth,
mcavey
assistant,
administrative
strategy,
support
and
integrated
initiatives
and
Mr
bradwell's
executive
director
of
financial
services.
B
No
single
solution
to
how
we
keep
albertin
safe
and
ensure
people
feel
secure
in
their
communities.
There
are
a
few
paths
that
can
lead
us
in
the
right
direction
that
pitch
and
path
should
I
say
includes
creating
real
solutions
to
keep
people
safe,
while
linking
those
who
need
help
with
the
services
that
can
make
a
difference
for
them.
It
requires
supports
for
our
correctional
services
and
provides
the
right
tools
to
enhance
Public
Safety,
while
facilitating
treatment
and
recovery
for
inmates.
It
must
ensure
Alberta
is
ready
to
face
any
emergency.
B
B
This
year,
we're
making
some
very
significant
investment
in
public
safety,
Emergency
Services,
increasing
the
budget
by
163
million
dollars
to
support
albertans
and
their
families
to
feel
safe
and
secure
in
their
homes
and
communities
and
work,
of
course,
on
the
road
that
means
that
Consolidated
budget
for
the
ministry
of
Public
Safety
Emergency
Services,
is
about
1.2
billion
dollars
when
it
comes
to
public
security.
B
We're
shifting
our
approach
to
one
that
keeps
the
safety
of
albertans
in
mind,
while
also
recognizing
that
communities
have
unique
needs
and
people
who
need
help
must
be
able
to
find
and
access
resources
in
the
community.
Since
I
was
sworn
in
as
the
minister
of
Public
Safety
and
Emergency
Services
I've
talked
openly
and
often
about
the
paradigm
shift
that
must
occur
in
policing.
B
No
longer
will
police
serve
and
be
seen
and
used
as
an
arm
of
the
state,
but
rather
they
must
be
an
extension
of
the
community
and
in
fact
they
must
be
a
reflection
of
that
Community.
It
means
that
police
are
not
forces
anymore,
but
services
that
respond
to
the
people's
needs
when
called
upon.
They
are
professionals,
and
that
means
that
we
have
to
put
our
budgetary
resources
into
greater
variety
of
Public
Safety
Systems
and
tools
that
are
available
to
help
this
year's
budget
for
the
public
security
division
is
711
million
dollars.
B
That
includes
a
significant
investment
in
the
Alberta
Sheriff's,
our
correctional
facilities
and
in
the
Provincial
Police
service
agreement.
It's
an
investment
that
means
more
law
enforcement
resources.
Well
will
be
available
to
increase
the
number
of
boots
on
the
ground
to
make
sure
albertans
are
secure,
no
matter
where
they
live.
It
includes
Investments
such
as
27.3
million
dollars
for
Alberta
sheriffs,
to
increase
the
number
of
officers
available
to
serve
rural
communities,
courthouses
correctional
facilities
and
to
support
the
new
exchange
of
services
agreements
with
the
corrections,
Canada
provide
sheriff
highway
patrol
equipment
and
address
inflationary
expenses.
B
Support
for
efforts
to
improve
border
security
such
as
creating
Firearms
investigative
unit
within
Alert
in
Edmonton
and
Calgary,
to
provide
intelligence
resources
throughout
the
province
and
deal
with
illegal
Firearms
coming
in
from
abroad.
An
initial
5.5
million
dollars
for
indigenous
policing
to
ensure
indigenous
Police
Service
Services
have
the
resources
they
need
to
provide
safe
and
secure
communities
and
26.7
million
funding
to
boost
within
contract
policing
to
support
communities
covered
by
the
provincial
police
service
agreement
with
the
RCMP
for
increases
in
RCMP
officers
and
civilian
positions.
B
We've
also
heard
loud
and
clear
from
indigenous
communities
and
municipalities
that
they
want
policing
solutions
that
reflect
a
deeper
understanding
of
the
geographical
area
area,
the
people
that
live
there.
The
issues
that
they're
facing
who
the
community
leaders
are
and
what's
happening
on
a
day-to-day
basis.
We
want
to
support
those
policing
Solutions
because
for
the
police
services
to
be
effective
and
responsive,
they
have
to
reflect
the
communities
they
service
and
local
communities
should
be
able
to
forge
that
path
forward
in
their
own
way.
B
That's
why
budget
2023
is
also
offering
financial
assistance
to
all
municipalities
and
First
Nations
and
metis
settlements
in
the
province
that
are
interested
in
investigating
the
potential
benefits
of
developing
a
local
policing
model
to
keep
albertans
safe
when
people
do
find
themselves
in
contact
with
the
correctional
system.
It's
important
that
we
support
that
system
in
ways
that
promote
Public
Safety,
while
also
reducing
recidivism
throat
supports
to
offenders.
B
Alberta's,
hard-working
Correctional
staff
are
on
the
front
line
each
and
every
single
day
for
the
Safety
and
Security
of
albertans
and
for
those
they
oversee,
and
we
want
to
support
them
in
that
budget.
2023
adds
51.7
million
for
Correctional
Services
Division
for
a
total
operating
budget
of
341
million
this
year.
That
includes
additional
resources
for
our
correctional
facilities
and
the
staff
operating
them
to
make
sure
that
they
have
the
resources
they
need
to
serve
albertans
effectively.
B
We're
also
using
additional
funding
to
increase
staff
in
the
custody,
Operations
Branch,
Community,
Corrections,
the
training
academy
and
the
youth
correction,
Correctional
programs.
Well,
there
are
some
Public
Safety
challenges.
We
can
predict
it's
not
as
easy
to
predict
the
ways
we
will
be
tested.
Of
course,
by
Mother,
Nature
floods,
wildfires
tornadoes
and
other
emergencies
can
strike
at
any
time.
B
I
recently
toured
the
new
provincial
emergency
coordination
Center
during
the
first
in-person
emergency
exercise,
since
since
before
Colvin
and
I
was
impressed
by
the
complexity
of
the
work
and
the
dedication
of
the
stop
that
were
there,
people
typically
don't
realize
how
much
they
need
Emergency
Services.
Until,
unfortunately,
there
is
an
emergency
as
a
government.
B
We
recognize
how
vital
those
services
are
and
we're
making
sure
that
we
support
that
the
work
to
prepare
Alberta
as
best
as
we
can
for
any
emergency
in
budget
2023,
the
Alberta
Emergency
Management
agency,
will
receive
an
additional
3
million
in
funding.
This
additional
funding
will
provide
the
staff
needed
to
sustain
24
7
access
to
provincial
emergency
management
support.
B
It
will
also
deliver
evidence-based,
informed,
Emergency,
Management
training,
the
preparation
and
implementation
of
emergency
and
business
continuity
plans,
training
and
programs
supports
for
emergency
Social,
Service
planning
and
processes
and
Incident
Management
support
during
response
to
widespread
emergencies
and
disasters.
Ultimately,
it's
an
investment
and
making
sure
that
we
can
support
Albert
and
Alberta's
municipalities,
May,
tease,
helmets
and
First
Nations
when
emergencies
emergency
events
occur
in
their
communities.
B
In
conclusion,
budget
2023
creates
a
path
forward
for
the
new
ministry
created
with
a
strong
focus
on
making
sure
albertans
can
feel
safe
and
supported
in
their
communities,
no
matter
where
they
face
as
they
go
about
their
daily
lives,
though,
we
will
continue
to
support
all
those
things
that
are
working
well.
We
also
recognize
that
we
can't
always
meet
new
Public
Safety
challenges
with
old
and
sometimes
ineffective
strategies.
B
There
comes
a
time
when
you
have
to
step
out
and
step
up
and
support
new
ways
of
doing
things
as
part
as
part
of
that
letting
communities
lead
the
way
towards
their
own
Solutions,
while
remaining
a
strong
partner
in
helping
them
meet
their
Solutions.
It's
about
making
sure
our
police
and
other
Public
Safety
partners
are
a
safe
Community
presence
to
deter
crime
and
to
help
link
people
in
trouble
to
the
services
that
they
need.
B
It's
about
supporting
our
Correctional
Center
so
that
we
can
ensure
security
and
reduce
recidivism
by
helping
inmates
get
the
help
that
they
need
to
move
their
lives
for
word,
and
it's
about
making
sure
individuals
and
communities
are
prepared
in
the
face
of
a
disaster.
We're
prepared
to
move
forward
in
a
new
direction
for
Public
Safety
and
emergency
services
and
budget
2023
will
help
us
get
there.
B
A
Thank
you
so
much
Minister
for
the
hour
that
follows
members
of
the
official
opposition
and
the
minister
may
speak
honorable
members.
You
will
be
able
to
see
the
timer
for
the
speaking
block,
both
in
the
committee
room
and
on
Microsoft
teams.
Members.
Would
you
like
to
combine
your
time
with
the
ministers
sure.
H
It's
my
pleasure
to
be
here
and
to
discuss
the
public
safety
and
Emergency
Services
estimate
and
a
bit
disappointed
that
back
and
forth
would
have
been
facilitated,
better
dialogue,
but
that's
Minister's
call
anyway.
Thank
you
Vanessa
for
being
here,
and
thank
you
to
all
your
staff
for
being
here
and
for
the
work
you
do
too.
H
Our
community
safe,
as
you
indicated
on
page
one
or
four
of
your
business
plan,
2020
326
and
I
quote
this
is
business
plan
should
be
considered
in
conjunction
with
all
budget
documents,
including
the
fiscal
plan,
government,
strategic
plan
and
estimates
which
work
together
to
provide
a
complete
overview
of
governments.
Commitment
to
responsible
fiscal
management
I
will
be
asking
a
question
relating
to
all
these
documents
and
about
some
of
the
recent
developments
relating
to
your
ministry.
So
first
set
of
questions
is
about
business
plan
2023-26
on
page
one
or
three
of
the
business
plan.
H
H
Second
question
last
year
it
was
discovered
that
former
Justice
Minister
Casey
Meadow
called
the
Edmonton
police
chief
about
his
distracted
driving
ticket.
An
investigation
was
then
conducted
by
former
Justice
adult
Kent.
The
investigation
concluded
that,
when
Esther
attempted
to
interfere
in
the
administration
of
justice
system,
this
is
an
egregious
act
for
a
minister,
especially
for
a
Justice
minister.
Do
you
think,
having
the
Justice
minister
attempting
to
interfere
like
this,
achieves
the
goal
of
a
fair
and
accessible
criminal
justice
system
that
supports
the
unique
need
of
Wolverton
while
upholding
the
role
of
law.
F
H
Share
I
think
that
it's
not
a
point
of
order.
Ministries
business
plan
highlights.
H
What
they
are
doing
to
uphold
the
rule
of
law
and
question
is
about
rule
of
law
and
about
something
that
happened
within
this
government's
tenure
last
year.
So
I'm,
just
simply
asking
about
that
incident
and
I
still
have
more
question
about
that.
How
it
relates
to
rule
of
law
and
I
will
be
asking
for
the
questions
about
it.
D
It
would
help
if
nothing
else,
if,
if
the
honorable
member
would
at
least
read
through
or
give
us
an
item
line,
item
or
point
to
the
page
number
and
this
in
the
sentences
that
he's
speaking
to
when
he
brings
up
a
question
like
that,
because
as
far
as
I
can
see,
he's
already
suggested
that
this
is
an
issue
for
justice,
not
an
issue
for
the
for
the
minister
here,
and
that
we
should
maybe
try
and
keep
this
focused
so
that
it's
it's
in
The
Minister's
purview.
Thank
you.
H
I
think
a
indicated
earlier
that
page
104,
which
states
that
business
plan
fiscal
plan,
strategic
plan
and
estimates
should
be
viewed
together
to
get
a
full-some
understanding
of
the
ministry
and
I
also
provided
reference
from
business
plan
which
highlights
ministry's
role
to
uphold
the
rule
of
law.
In
my
questions
are
squarely
about
the
rule
of
law.
It's
not
a
point
of
order.
It's
fairly
relevant
how
ministry
will
uphold
the
rule
of
law.
D
Perhaps
this
we
could,
we
could
have
a
bit
of
a
dialogue
here,
maybe
I'm
getting
confused,
but
you
reference
page
104,
page
104
of
business.
H
D
Working
alongside
Partners
In,
Law,
Enforcement,
Justice,
Health
and
Social
Services,
the
ministry
supports
a
fair
and
accessible
criminal
justice
system
that
supports
the
unique
needs
of
albertans
while
upholding
the
rule
of
law.
That's
what
you're
referring
to
okay!
Thank
you.
So
now,
with
your
comments,
I
can
put
that
into
a
context.
Okay,.
A
H
H
Next
question
relates
to
another
significant
incident:
Goods
border
block
it
it's
an
important
part
of
Crossing
that
was
blocked
for
21
days
in
some
ucpmlas
visited
that
blockade
as
well.
H
A
A
H
A
H
D
Thank
you,
madam
chair
I,
speak
to
point
of
order.
23B
speaks
to
matters
other
than
the
question
under
discussion.
Madam
chair,
The
Honorable
member
has
spoken
to
page
103
in
the
first
paragraph
to
the
sentence
working
alongside
Partners
In,
Law,
Enforcement,
Justice,
Health
and
Social
Services.
The
ministry
supports
a
fair
and
accessible
criminal
justice
system
that
supports
the
unique
needs
of
albertans
while
upholding
to
remove
law.
That
is
the
sentence
that
The
Honorable
member
has
been
in.
D
Referring
to
I
do
not
believe
that
that
sentence
in
any
way
shape
or
forms
supports
this
line
of
questioning.
It
is
referring
to
a
Ministry
that
the
ministry
will
support
and
work
with
other
Ministries,
like
justice
like
Health,
like
Social
Services
support,
and
have
allow
albertans
to
have
fair
and
accessible
criminal
justice
system
that
supports
the
unique
needs
of
albertans.
That's
not
talking
about
anything
that
we
have
under
the
question
that
is
under
discussion
right
now,
and
therefore
I
would
argue
that
it
is
outside
of
the
scope
of
this
man
of
this
budget
estimates.
D
H
Take
your
chair
again
as
I
said
that
I'm
trying
to
die
my
question
squarely
with
ministry's
obligation
to
uphold
the
rule
of
law.
That's
in
ministry's
business
plan!
That's
the
opening
line
of
Misty's
business
plan.
That's
what
Ministry
exists
for
in
law
enforcement
plays
an
important
role
in
upholding
the
rule
of
law.
If
our
borrower
gets
blocked,
we
don't
send
mlas
to
open
it
if
law
enforcement,
who
does
that
job?
A
All
right,
I
do
find
this
to
be
a
point
of
order.
The
member
opposite
is
falsely
implying
that
the
government
Ministry
official,
has
ulterior
motives.
So
if
you
could
please
get.
A
Please
please
let
us
be
respectful
of
one
another,
please
be
respectful
of
the
chair
and
please
don't
cut
me
off
when
I'm
speaking,
we'll
have
a
nice
dialogue
back
and
forth
I'm
happy
to
listen
to
you,
but
at
the
same
time
my
expectation
is
that
you'll
be
happy
to
listen
to
me.
So
please
don't
talk
over
me,
it's
disrespectful.
H
A
H
H
Well,
these
were
the
question
about
rule
of
law,
so
I
will
move
on
to
page
103.
If
Government
doesn't
want
to
hear
this,
the
ministry
also
leaves
the
coordination,
collaboration
and
cooperation
of
all
organizations
involved
in
the
prevention
of
response
to
and
recovery
from
emergencies
in
the
province.
The
collaboration
of
this
organization
ensures
or
province
is
prepared
for
and
resilient
to
the
impacts
of
disaster.
End
quote,
the
question
I
have
is
what
specific
role
your
ministry
plays
in
it
and
how
much
money
does
the
ministry
spend
on
these
efforts?
H
Second
related
question
on
June
13
2020
Northeast
Calgary
was
hit
by
Canada's
fourth
largest
natural
disaster.
It
was
a
significant
event
and
people
are
still
trying
to
recover
fully
from
its
impact.
We
did
not
see
any
government
Sports
response
or
coordination
efforts.
There
was
there
any
analysis
done
on
that
disaster
and
what
can
be
done
differently
when
it
comes
to
government
response
and
recovery
from
it
any
advice
for
those
living
in
Northeast
Calgary.
H
It
also
talks
about
the
rehabilitation
opportunities,
so
what
Rehabilitation
opportunities
are
available
to
inmates,
and
how
do
we
evaluate
those
whether
they
are
effective,
page
103?
It
says
the
ministry
strives
to
support,
guide
and
inspires
the
correctional
services
applied
to
make
positive,
sustainable
and
lawful
choices
in
order
to
reduce
their
interaction
with
the
criminal
justice
system
and
ensure
strong
communities
across
Alberta.
H
So
Mr,
can
you
talk
about
these
efforts
with
some
specific
example
that
what
steps
you
have
taken
in
this
regard,
page
103
Ministry,
provides
policing
Services
through
an
agreement
with
the
federal
government
that
establishes
CMP
as
the
Provincial
Police
Service,
and
supports
Municipal
policing
through
policing
grants.
H
H
And
let
me
provide
a
little
bit
context
that
government
introduced
victims
of
crime
Amendment
act
in
2020,
which
allowed
the
government
to
use
the
fund
on
things
other
than
sporting
victim
of
crimes
directly.
These
changes
have
resulted
in
less
Services,
while
government
still
trying
to
figure
out
their
new
model,
and
certainly
these
changes
have
real
consequences
for
the
victims
of
crimes
and
survival
of
those
crimes.
Organizations
supporting
victims,
police-based
victim
services,
are
all
against
these,
so
question
I
have
is
what
will
it
take
for
the
government
to
listen
to
them?
B
Well,
wonderful,
thank
you
very
much.
Madam
chair,
I,
guess,
first
of
all,
I'd
like
to
start
going
back
to
the
honorable
members.
First
first
comments:
yeah
I
mean
he
was
noting
the
public,
the
business
plan
here
so
Public
Safety,
Emergency
Services,
excuse
me.
Alberta
Community
is
safe
and
secure
working
alongside
Partners
In,
Law,
Enforcement,
Justice,
Health
and
Social
Services.
The
ministry
supports
a
fair
and
accessible
criminal
justice
system
that
supports
unique
needs
of
albertans
with,
while
upholding
the
rule
of
law
so
really
Madam
chair.
B
This
is
really
about
the
recovery
oriented
system
of
care.
Now
we
can
substitute
the
word
recovery
for
holistic
or
human
or
Wellness,
but
really
it
is
about
a
system
of
care
that
involves
all
Ministries
Madam
chair,
okay.
So
what
we're
talking
about
here
is
the
law
enforcement
Community,
whether
some
people
like
it
or
not.
B
It
will
be
seen
as
a
reflection
of
that
community
so
when
they
go
and
talk
to
people,
they
go
to
talk
to
people
and
people
will
receive
them
with
a
thank
you
because
they're
there
to
help
them,
they
should
never
be
engaging
with
the
community
out
of
fear
right.
So
this
is
part
of
that
shift
when
we're
talking
about
policing,
but
it's
not
just
necessarily
about
this
ministry
other
under
previous
governments
over
the
course
of
time.
Quite
frankly,
you
would
see
a
lot
of
silos.
B
These
silos
did
not
include
social
services
and
Health
and
Justice,
and
my
experience
will
tell
me
and
I
would
argue
a
lot
of
other
people's
experience
would
tell
them.
Is
that
a
lot
of
the
primary
motivating
factors
for
people
that
engage
with
law
enforcement
or
that
are
in
the
justice
system,
unfortunately
have
a
drugs
or
alcohol
as
a
contributing
factor,
so
understanding
that
drugs
is
a
neurobiological
illness
is
to
understand
that
people
need
help
with
that
illness.
B
Now,
when
it
comes
to
those
that
are
involved
in
the
justice
system,
yes,
they
may
have
to
answer
for
the
criminal
acts
for
which
they
may
or
may
not
be
charged
with.
But
that
being
said,
that
is
not
the
end
of
their
Journey
their
journey,
and
that
is
why,
in
our
justice
system,
specifically
I'm
going
to
get
ahead
on
one
of
the
questions
that
the
The
Honorable
member
asked
what
has
to
do
with
our
Corrections
facilities,
so
we're
putting
in
therapeutic
living
areas
within
our
justice
system.
B
So
what
does
that
mean
when
some,
when
somebody
has
an
addiction,
which
is
that
neurobiological
illness,
that
person
will
be
able
to
get
help?
So
it's
not
about
just
sitting
there
doing
their
time
and
then
giving
that
person
an
LRT
ticket
at
the
end
of
their
sentence,
where
the
the
the
the
pattern
of
abuse
goes
over
and
over
again
and
the
recidivas
recidivism
continues.
It's
about
ensuring
that
that
individual,
when
they
leave
a
correctional
facility,
is
in
a
better
place
from
which
they
started.
B
So
what
else
did
we
include
in
that
we
included
that
the
virtual
opioid
dependency
Program
in
those
correctional
facilities
and
actually
in
the
jails
within
Alberta
in
the
RCMP
detachments,
also
the
larger
municipalities
of
municipalities
as
well.
So
what
does
that
mean
before
anybody
even
has
their
handcuffs
taken
off
Madame,
chair
I
can
tell
you
that
a
question
would
be
asked
of
them.
B
I
can
tell
you
who
does
appreciate
this
and
that's
the
defense
attorneys
and
the
defense
attorneys
appreciate
that,
because,
when
that,
when
that
individual
is
showing
the
the
willingness
to
get
help
for
the
illness
that
they
have
within
that
justice
system,
that
is
a
contributing
factor
that
would
lead
to
them
possibly
being
released
on
a
form
of
bail,
for
instance.
So
these
are
all
all
good
things,
and
that
really
is
what
that
first
statement
is
about.
B
Let
me
just
talk
about
Crown
prosecutors.
For
a
moment
here,
look
Crown
prosecutors,
I
can
tell
you
that
their
their
integrity
is
is
something
that
I
believe
should
not
never
be
questioned.
I
think
that,
in
regards
to
the
incident
that
that
member
was
talking
about
I
think
that
the
crown
prosecutors
have
put
out
a
statement,
I
will
further
add
that
this
is
related
to
obviously
the
Justice
portfolio.
But
that
being
said,
I
believe
that
Crown
prosecutors,
who
work
very
very
hard,
have
heavy
case
loads.
B
Do
their
jobs
with
the
utmost
integrity
and
I
do
not
believe
that
they
ever
ever
should
be
questioned.
Quite
frankly
now
I
will
I
will
add
that,
in
regards
to
the
Coots
blockade,
I
will
actually
pass
it
over
to
my
assistant,
deputy
and
Minister
Marlon
degrand,
to
talk
on
the
level.
Oh
sorry
before
I
do
that
Marlin.
This
would
be
just
be
very
clear.
B
I
believe
that
and
I've
been
very
public
about
this.
So
this
is
not
the
first
time
anybody
should
be
hearing
this
okay,
I.
Believe
no
politician
and
I'm
going
to
say
this
again,
no
politician
should
be
directing
law
enforcement.
No
politician
should
be
certainly
directing
anything
to
do
with
the
justice
system,
and
you
know,
and
to
the
member
when
he
said
you
know,
we
don't
send
Las
well.
I
would
argue
not
only
do
we
not
send
mlas,
we
don't
send
the
law
enforcement
community.
That
is
a
job.
B
The
the
the
law
enforcement
Community
is
independent.
If
they
believe
that
there
is
a
threat,
then
they
will
do
their
job
and
I
believe
that
they
will
show
the
integrity
to
do
their
job
of
the
of
the
absolute
utmost
with
the
utmost
Integrity.
But
it
is
not
the
direction
of
me
and
is
not
the
direction
of
any
politician
to
be
telling
law
enforcement
to
go
and
execute
whatever
political
belief
that
they
think
that
they
may
have,
but
with
that
I'm
going
to
pass
it
to
Marl
Underground.
G
G
My
role
as
the
ministerial
or
the
departmental
sorry
representative
was
to
communicate
on
a
regular
basis
with
the
commanding
officer
obtain
updates
from
the
commanding
officer
in
relation
to
the
status
of
the
event
and
to
offer
ID
assistance
that
could
be
offered
from
the
Department
to
the
RCMP,
who
were,
of
course
in
command
and
control,
which
included,
of
course,
at
different
times,
allowing
are
allowing
for
our
Sheriff's
Branch
to
support
the
RCMP
operationally,
but
once
turned
over
to
them.
G
They
of
course
retained
command
and
control
of
the
of
the
incident,
so
I
didn't
direct
the
operations
in
any
way,
shape
or
form
for
the
police
and
I
was
actually
quite
careful
to
to
avoid
doing
that.
Sir
okay.
B
B
I
think
there
was
there's
for
years.
Quite
frankly,
even
under
your
government,
there
was
a
bit
of
a
belief
that
Alberta
kind
of
comes
in
and
takes
command
and
control
of
a
specific
incident.
That's
actually
not
the
case.
The
municipality
is
actually
the
one
that
is
in
charge
and
that
the
that
the
Emergency
Management
actually
provides
support
to
those
municipalities
when
they
are
in
in
a
form
of
a
disaster.
B
You
know,
and
before
I
asked
my
assistant
Deputy
minister,
to
talk
a
little
bit
more
broadly
about
that,
and
also
to
talk
to
you
about
Northeast
Calgary,
because
I
know
that's
something
that
is
near
and
dear,
not
to
your
heart,
but
also
all
mlas
within
the
UCP
as
well
and
I'm.
Sure
he's
happy
to
talk
to
you
about
that.
I
think
you
asked
a
question
regarding
last
year:
2917
adults
were
in
custody
and
I.
B
Think
with
that
I'm
going
to
pause
on
that
one
I'm
going
to
ask
Stephen
Lacroix
if
you
could
just
where's
the
go
to
the
mic
there,
so
obviously
Stephen
McCoy
is
the
head
of
Alberta
Emergency
Management
agency
and
can
provide
some
context.
Thank
you,
sir.
Thank.
K
You,
madam
chair,
Minister,
honorable
member,
so
to
talk
quickly
about
how
we
expend
the
funds
in
the
estimates
I
can
break
it.
Maybe
in
in
three
main
buckets.
You
will
notice
that
there
are
77
million
in
there.
Of
that.
43
million
is
essentially
a
grant
that
goes
back
to
the
911
call
centers.
So
I
don't
really
see
that
money
it
comes
in
it
goes,
100
of
it
goes
out.
They're
there's
left
about
33
million
dollars
is
how
we
develop
and
deliver
our
program.
So
as
Minister
Ellis
mentioned,
the
thank.
H
H
H
H
H
H
Cost
options
and
according
to
that
report,
there
will
be
366
million
dollars
in
additional
costs
in
terms
of
transition,
and
it
gives
two
different
scenarios,
ranging
between
734
million
to
754
million
dollars,
Alberta
municipalities,
municipalities
of
Alberta.
They
have
opposed
this
plan
government
plan.
H
H
You
talked
briefly
about
it
and
I
do
really
appreciate
the
experience
you
bring
as
Frontline
police
officer,
also
that
shift
in
Paradigm
that
how
police
need
to
work
as
an
extension
and
reflection
of
the
community
and
reflect
the
community
needs
so
again.
The
question
is
that
what's
your
ministry's
role
in
establishing
maintaining
that
system
of
care-
and
it
also
talks
about
therapeutic
units
in
correctional
facilities,
so
how
many
of
these
units
are
already
there
in
Alberta's
correctional
facilities
and
what
are
with
the
cost
of
these
units,
how
many
employees
are
working
in
these
units?
H
H
Can
you
provide
some
example
of
the
work
your
ministry
has
undertaken?
That
will
count
as
reducing
red
tape.
Second
question:
when
did
that
review
of
permit
approval
started?
Who
is
doing
it,
and
will
there
be
a
public
report
and
also
talk
generally
about
what
kind
of
permits
permits
we're
talking
about
talking
about
page
104.
H
H
Again,
talks
about
reducing
unnecessary
government
oversight
into
attractive
Investments
and
grow
Alberta
business.
So,
can
you
provide
some
examples
of
steps
you
have
taken
that
will
reduce
unnecessary
government
oversight
in
order
to
improve
access
to
government
services,
attract
investment
and
grow
Alberta
businesses,
page
105
of
the
business
plan,
key
objective,
one.
H
H
Another
question
relating
to
this
is
that
it
also
talked
about
working
with
community-based
organizations.
So
what
is
the
government
plan
to
support
curbing
prolific,
offending
world
of
focus
in
funding
people
enforcement?
Only
or
will
there
be
opportunity
to
fund
program
and
services
in
conjunction
with
law
enforcement
and
how
many
of
such
programs
have
been
funded
so
far,
I
have
21
seconds
now.
B
Thank
you
very
much
and
I
guess
to
the
to
The,
Honorable
member
everyone
in
the
room
and,
of
course
everybody
who's
watching
us
today.
First
of
all,
regarding
the
emergency
alerts.
B
Yes,
I
was
disrupted,
as
well
as
everyone
in
the
room,
I
I'm,
going
to
ask
my
assistant,
Deputy
Minister,
Stephen
loquatic,
come
up
and
speak
to
everyone
about
this
I
appreciate
the
fact
that
he's
willing
to
take
the
bullet
on
this.
However,
all
the
memes
are
about
me
so.
K
Madam,
chair
Minister,
Steve
Lacroix,
managing
director
of
the
Alberta
Emergency
Management
agency,
so
the
the
members
questions
were
twofold,
so
I
guess
I'll
I'll,
take
you
back
from
the
beginning.
It's
a
bit
of
a
long
story
and
I'll
try
to
not
be
too
technical.
K
K
This
is
overseen
by
the
crtc
and
Public
Safety
Canada,
there's
a
National,
Vendor,
pilmorics
or
The
Weather
Network
and
those
meetings
took
place
and
when
we
transition
on
March
the
1st
at
1355
to
be
exact,
you
will
all
remember
seven
alerts
and
actually
there
was
nine
because
there
was
another
two
that
were
cancellations,
so
the
cause
was
identified
within
six
minutes
actually
very,
very
quickly,
and
actually
there
was
a
lot
of
learning
in
a
very
short
period
of
time
on
that
day.
K
But
the
cause
was
one
of
the
vendors
had
left
some
old
code
within
the
system
and
it
created
a
loop.
So
these
systems
are
meant
to
be
unidirectional,
so
go
one
way,
but
this
one
was
pinging
against
the
federal
system
which
created
that
Loop.
So
we
we
initially
thought
it
was
the
the
federal
vendor.
Actually
that
was
creating
the
problem.
It
was
another
vendor
and
neither
here
nor
there
it
was
identified
very
quickly
and
the
code
was
deleted
and
to
to
answer
your
questions
Amanda
via
Madam
chair.
K
The
next
alert
testing
would
be
scheduled
for
November,
and
what
assurances
do
we
have
that
this
will
not
happen
again.
So,
of
course,
we
did
not
leave
it
there.
We
we
did
a
a
detailed
investigation
as
to
what
went
wrong
because
something
did
go
wrong,
but
that's
again
why
we
do
those
tests,
and
this
report
has
been
produced.
K
The
crtc
who
oversees
the
federal
program
as
an
arms
length
agency
in
collaboration
with
the
public
safety
Canada,
are
looking
at
our
data,
but
from
an
Alberta
perspective
there
was
already
another
Amber
Alert
issued
locally.
That
did
not
generate
any
such
looping
mechanisms
and
troubles
for
the
system,
so
the
only
thing
I
can
say
is
I'm
confident
in
the
system
and
its
ability
to
operate
now,
I'm
extremely
confident
that
what
happened
during
the
testing
is
not
going
to
occur
again.
Thank
you
very
much.
B
Of
mlas
more
interested
in
an
answer
to
an
estimates,
question
in
my
life
so
kudos
to
all
of
you
who
were
releasing
and
thank
you
again.
You
know
what
let
me
just
say
this.
You
know
those
are
wonderful
people
and
not
that
your
question
is
but
I
just
got
to
say
this
on
record.
Those
are
wonderful
people
that
are
working
there.
They
are
trying
to
protect.
Albertans
I.
Think
everybody
here
knows
that
I
know.
B
You
know
that
honorable
member
and-
and
you
know
this
is
why
we
do
the
test
right
is
really
what
it
boils
down
to.
So
thank
you
very
much.
I'll
go
on
to
your
next
question,
which
had
to
do
with
you
know:
government
action
had
police
response
times
and
sheriffs
yeah
look
I
mean
I
mean
I.
B
Was
there
just
as
you
were
honorable
member
several
years
ago,
even
under
the
the
previous
government,
when
we
had
you
know
2
000,
rural
albertans,
on
the
doorsteps
of
the
legislature
because
of
the
rural
crime
problem.
You
know,
sadly,
the
the
the
stories
when
it
comes
to
real
crime.
You
know
have
not
necessarily
at
least
alleviated
to
my
satisfaction.
B
I
will
tell
you
that
the
sheriffs
have
done
a
great
job
in
alleviating
some
of
the
pressures
for
the
RCMP,
especially
when
it
comes
to
Empire
driving
I
know
that
there's
probably
been
well
over
2
000
cases,
I
believe
it
was
2000
cases
where
the
sheriffs
were
able
to
do
the
impaired
driving
themselves.
Now,
under
the
past
protocols
course,
they
would
have
to
call
it
an
RCP
member
which
take
them
away
from
their
regular
duties
and
so
we're
trying
to
do
what
we
can
to
alleviate
that
pressure.
B
I've
also
said
very
publicly,
as
well
I,
quite
frankly,
don't
care
what
the
uniform
is
when
somebody
calls
9-1-1
I
need
somebody
to
show
right
and
I.
Don't
think,
there's
anybody
here
that
would
disagree.
I
know
you
know
it's
tough
for
folks
that
are
living
in
in
Calgary
and
Edmonton,
and
some
of
the
larger
municipalities
that
have
their
own
Police
Services
to
really.
B
You
know
really
understand
that,
because
when
they
do
call
9-1-1,
the
police
will
show
up,
but
sometimes
that
that
tends
to
not
necessarily
be
the
case
in
rural
Alberta,
and
these
are
not
just
one-off
anecdotal
stories.
This
was
a
consistent
mess
that
myself
and
my
predecessors
had
heard
time
and
time
again
so
when
it
comes
to
the
Sheriff's,
yes
and
maybe
I
might
get
Marlin
to
maybe
talk
about
the
training
and
the
additional
cost
to
that,
but
ultimately,
for
those
who
are
the
highway
patrol
and
just
I'll
put
a
little
contacts.
B
Those
who
are
the
highway
patrol
officers
there's
different
levels
for
the
sheriffs.
You
of
course,
have
the
court
imprisoner
security
component
of
it.
You
do
have
the
ones
that
do
prisoner
transfers
and
then
you
have
the
folks
that
do
the
highway
patrol
those
Highway
Patrol
officers
are
really
the
closest
thing
that
we
have
to
police
officers
while
still
being
police
officers.
Now
the
training
gap
on
that
is
actually
very,
very
minimal,
but
the
thought
process
with
that
is
to
augment
the
current
RCMP,
so
it's
not
necessary
to
take
over
in
any
way.
B
What
it
is
is
that
the
RCMP
need
backup
or
if
the,
if
the
RCMP
have
a
you
know,
a
sheriff.
Who
is
you
know
bit
closer
to
a
call
great
that
sheriff
can
go,
go
and
then
the
RCMP
will
then
follow
suit.
To
take
to
to
finish
the
call,
so
it's
really
just
augmenting
and
providing
support,
but
yeah
go
ahead.
Marlon
if
you
want
to
add
some
further
contexts
that,
regarding
costs
in
the
training,
Gap.
G
Thank
you,
madam
chair.
Thank
you
Minister.
Thank
you.
Member
really
quickly.
The
the
training
Gap
is,
as
the
administer
articulated
quite
small,
in
terms
of
the
enhancement
to
the
Sheriff's
Highway
Patrol,
which
will
now
be
moving
towards
being
able
to
respond
in
the
first
instance
to
support
the
rsmp
and
emergency
calls.
Training.
G
Gap
is
probably
going
to
be
less
than
a
week
of
training
and
it's
really
designed
to
ensure
that
they
mesh
operationally
with
the
rcmps
standard
operating
procedures
and
to
ensure
that
they
have
the
right
equipment
and
training
to
deal
with
the
Myriad
of
new
types
of
calls
that
they
might
be
facing
the
cost,
for
that
is
estimated
about
0.5
million
or
500
000.
For
this
year.
B
And
thank
you
and
just
I
know.
Marlene
can
answer
the
next
question
better
than
I
did
you.
You
talked
about
increasing
the
RCMP
and
civilian
positions.
Marlene.
Could
you
just
talk
a
little
bit
about
I,
think
the
the
cost
to
that
and
and
how
much
we're
we're
adding
to
the
RC
current
RCP.
G
Thank
you,
madam
chair.
Thank
you
Minister.
Thank
you,
sir.
The
RCMP
budget
is
increasing
by
20
and
I'll
have
to
give
you
the
number
I
think
it's
25
or
26
million
dollars.
I,
don't
have
to
get
that,
for
you
momentarily
in
total.
Part
of
that
is,
of
course,
is
a
large
and
large
part
Associated
to
the
police
funding
model
reinvestment.
G
The
RCMP
have
committed
to
creating
up
to
500
new
positions
underneath
that
of
which
approximately
240
are
designed
to
be
civilian
support
positions
in
areas
such
as
analysts,
current
prevention,
specialist
callback
units,
Operational,
Support
data
entry,
Etc,
and
it's
passed
me
about
25
million
dollars
is
the
increase.
The
reason
I
say
approximately
240
civilian
positions
out
of
the
approximately
500.80
is
the
year.
Four
expansion
is
still
being
worked
on
in
terms
of
how
the
RCMP
will
actually
disseminate
those
those
positions
in
the
funding
that
will
have
been
provided.
B
Good,
thank
you,
and
you
know
I'll
just
reiterate
again,
as
I
said
publicly
as
well.
There
is
no
decision
that
has
been
made
regarding
an
Alberta,
Police,
Service
I,
think
just
for
the
members
to
be
aware
of
the
contract
with
the
RCMP
route.
B
32.,
the
federal
government
public
safety
Canada
has
signal,
checked
on
a
several
different
occasions
regarding
their
you
know,
prior
to
maybe
not
not
continue
doing,
contract
policing,
and
that
is
why
British
Columbia
Saskatchewan
New
Brunswick
Nova
Scotia,
are
all
looking
at
alternative
models:
British
Columbia,
for
instance,
in
an
all
parties
committee
that
consisted
of
the
NDP
that
consisted
of
the
green
party
and
the
Liberals
were
all
in
agreement
that
they
need
to
start.
B
Looking
at
another
model,
I've
said
this
period
before
it
would
be
negligent
on
my
part,
as
we
get
closer
to
the
year
2032,
that
we
do
not
ex
that
we
we
we,
you
know
that
we
do
not.
We
have
to
explore
all
options
and
that's
why
we
want
to
empower
municipalities.
Thank.
H
The
next
opportunity,
if
you
can
speak
to
the
increased
costs
that
are
projected
by
pricewater
Cooper
house
report,
that'd,
be
great
and
I,
think
there
were
a
couple
of
other
questions.
I
hope
that
you
will
be
able
to
address
them
in
next
block,
if
not
I
would
appreciate
if
you
undertake
to
provide
answers
later
on.
H
H
1.3
talks
about
enhanced
authorities,
I
think
you've
briefly
talked
about
the
new
powers
that
sheriffs
will
have.
H
What
other
areas
they
will
be
assisting
RCMP
appreciate
that
Highway
Patrol
example,
and
in
that
one
I
guess,
training
is
minimal,
but
some
other
areas
may
need
more
training.
So
if
you
can
touch
on
that
briefly,
1.4
talks
about
accountability
of
law
enforcement,
an
examination
of
a
Provincial
Police
Service
and
establishing
an
independent
agency
to
resolve
police
income
complaints.
H
So
two
questions
relating
to
that
last
setting
I
believe
we
passed
that
legislation
create
independent
oversight
body,
so
question
I
have
is:
when
will
that
body
be
fully
operational?
Any
timeline
have
we
hired
the
executive
director,
whatever
The
Possession
name,
what
the
legislation
and,
if
not,
when
we
expect
to
hire
that
person
and
with
respect
to
current
agency?
H
H
Page
105
in
2023-24
it
says:
2
million
will
establish
a
fugitive
apprehension
share
of
support
team
to
locate
on
a
man
individual
or
threat
to
Public
Safety.
Can
you
talk
about
this
program?
Is
it
a
new
program
and
is
this
program
related
to
ensuring
that
the
warrants
are
dealt
with
in
a
unit
of
page
106,
1A
performance
indicator,
violent
and
property
crime
rates
per
100,
000
population.
H
Violence
and
property
crime
rates,
they
went
up
in
rural
Alberta
in
2021,
so
when
can
we
expect
numbers
for
2022
and
what's
the
reason
for
that
increase
and
what's
more
specific
steps
you
are
taking
to
address
it?
You
already
mentioned
that
back
in
the
day
when
we
were
in
government,
there
were
people
and,
let's,
let's
just
doorstep,
but
since
then
violent
and
property
crime
rates
unfortunately
have
gone
up
under
the
watch
of
the
government.
H
H
What
does
the
department
structure
look
like
in
second
question
relating
to
that
is
that
September
last
year
that
government
announced
funding
for
two
hate
crime
studies
to
Alberta
hate
crimes
in
organizations
Organization
for
prevention
of
violence?
Can
you
tell
us
about
the
progress
on
those
studies?
What
is
the
status?
H
Will
you
be
sharing
them
with
public?
If
so,
when
and
concern
here,
is
that,
despite
these
unit,
the
violence
continues
to
increase
and
that's
a
huge
concern
for
racialized
communities.
In
fact,
last
week,
leaders
from
Muslim
Community
were
here
at
the
legislature
who
met
both
UCP
mlas
carcass
and
that's
one
of
their
concerns.
They
want
targeted
efforts
to
address
hate
crimes
in
islamophobia.
A
J
Venture
and
thanks
to
the
minister
and
his
team
for
for
being
here
tonight
and
for
the
important
work
that
certainly
there
could
be
no
one
better,
in
my
opinion,
to
hold
this
ministry
than
somebody
with
your
background
and
the
job
that
you
did
previously
and
that
your
colleagues
do
and
everyone
doesn't
policing
is
not
on
not
can't
be
stressed
enough-
that
it
truly
is
one
of
the
hardest
jobs
in
the
world
where
they
literally
are
putting
their
lives
on
the
line
every
day.
J
Yet
at
the
same
time
as
one
of
the
most
scrutinized
and
and
as
I
clearly
recall,
you
saying
once
in
a
member
statement.
These
are
the
same
people
that
are
the
most
scrutinize
and
criticized
yet
would
when
someone
calls
them
they're
there
and
they
put
their
life
on
the
lines
for
albertans.
So
thank
you
for
for
that.
For
for
the
previous
role,
you
had
in
the
role
that
and
to
your
team,
and
so
why
don't
we
start
off?
J
If
we
look
at
page
91
on
the
27
million
dollar
increase
I
know,
our
government
has
been
further
utilizing
the
sheriffs
to
fill
in
gaps
that
are
currently
in
the
policing
system,
such
as
the
pilot
projects
that
are
currently
being
undertaken
with
the
Calgary
Police
Service
and
Edmonton
Police
Service.
So
I've
got
a
few
questions
on
that,
the
the
first
one
being
is.
Can
you
elaborate
on
how
much
is
going
to
the
Alberta
sheriffs.
J
Thank
you
Minister.
My
apologies,
I
I
failed
to
ask
that
question.
Thank
you
for
jumping
in
so
so.
Yeah
I'll
go
through
go
through
my
questions
and
it's
it's.
We.
We
know
that
the
Alberta
sheriffs
are
being
utilized
further
and
hoping
that
you
can
provide
further
details
on
what
specific
new
initiatives
they're
undertaking
with
this
raise
and
how
many
new
sheriffs
are
being
recruited
due
to
this
increase,
and
we
also
understand
that
there
are
different
kinds
of
sheriffs.
J
So
I'm
hoping
that
you
can
highlight
the
ways
your
ministry
supports,
Victor
crime
and
perhaps
give
an
overview
of
how
the
new
victim
Service
delivery
model
is
going
to
work
continuing
on
or
early
on,
with
the
key
objective,
2.1,
hoping
that
the
Minister
can
tell
us
what
funding
is
allocated
to
supporting
victims
on
page
108
of
the
business
plan
is
funding
for
Capital
Investments
for
crime
and
Public
Safety
fund.
J
So,
looking
for
the
minister
to
tell
us
what
those
Capital
Investments
are
on
page
91,
again
back
on
page
91
of
the
fiscal
plan,
it
mentions
the
creation
of
an
Alberta
office
to
combat
trafficking
in
persons
and
the
center
of
excellence.
So,
looking
for
you
to
please
expand
on
what
how
those
offices
will
assist
in
preventing
human
trafficking.
Page
91
also
mentions
the
creation
of
an
Alberta
office
to
combat
trafficking
in
persons
and
a
center
of
excellence.
J
Can
the
minister
expand
on
how
these
offices,
again,
as
I,
mentioned
before,
we'll
assist
in
in
preventing
human
trafficking?
These
were
some
of
my
questions.
Am
I
able
to
see
my
time
to
Ministry
scene.
Okay,
I'll
pass
it
to
music
Minister
Yasin
to
continue.
C
Thank
you.
Thank
you,
Minister.
Thank
you
very
much
for
the
work
that
you
do
with
this
difficult
decision.
I
know
that
you
brought
in
a
lot
of
experience
and
wisdom
into
this
particular
file,
and
that
is
much
appreciated
and
I
think
you
said
earlier
in
the
beginning,
it
paradigm
shift
I
am
aware
of
two
things
that
will
suddenly
qualify
it
in
terms
of
saying
it
Paradigm
Shift.
First,
what
you
said
I
think
police
will
not
be
seen
as
in
arm
of
the
state,
but
as
an
extension
or
reflection
of
the
community.
C
They
serve,
and
second
I've
also
heard
in
some
communication
that
that
that
police
would
wear
body
arm,
which
is,
would
be
good
for
police
as
well
as
people
they
are
trying
to
protect
and
help
health.
So
though
there
may
be
other
things
there
as
well,
but
I
am
so
thankful
for
you,
for
you
know
for
for
you
for
making
it
happen
in
like
that,
I
think
police.
C
C
Thank
you
for
that,
and
thank
you
also
for
the
people
to
the
people
who
help
you
decide
and
behind
you
to
to
to
to
do
the
job
that
you're
doing
now.
C
So
in
that
context,
can
you
please
elaborate
or
provide
us
with
few
examples
of
how
this
new
recovery
oriented
system
of
care
will
be
incorporated
into
police
as
well?
What
has
the
response
being
to
Alberta
investing
in
more
than
more
in
mental
health
and
reduction
support
in
order
to
address
some
of
these
challenges
with.
C
Move
on
to
for
the
same
line,
thank
you
for
ex
after
you
have
I'm
pretty
sure
you
will
get
a
an
answer
on
that
I.
Please
to
see
that
that
you,
you
would
also
tell
me
how
much
funding
has
been
allocated
to
some
of
these
initiatives
and
then
I
will
move
on
now.
I
move
on
to
different
little
bit
on
page
179
of
government
estimates
documents
under
investment
it.
C
It
shows
more
than
tripling
the
investment
in
public
security
over
the
last
year,
I
think
it's
going
up
from
695
million
to
26.95
million
huge
increase
there.
Can
you
please
expand
on
what
investments
are
planned
with
this
increase,
and
that
is
pretty
well
what
I
had
Mr
for
you
and
thank
you
very
much.
I
will
pass
on
remaining
time
to
MLA,
Armstrong
and
homily.
F
Thank
you,
member
chair
through
you
to
the
minister.
The
fiscal
plan
lays
out
the
709
million
dollars
will
be
going
to
public
security,
to
fund
contract,
policing
and
a
few
other
essential
aspect
for
Public
Safety.
Can
you
please
elaborate
on
just
how
much
is
going
to
contract
policing
in
Alberta,
and
also,
minister
of
thank
you
for
all
that
you
do
you
do
a
really
good
job
and
I
know
your
previous
experience
as
a
as
a
police
officer,
we're
very
lucky
to
have
you
in
this
position.
F
Do
we
know
how
the
additional
investment
increasing
Public
Safety
by
that?
How
many
RCMP
officers
can
be
hired
and
also
on
page
105
of
the
business
plan?
The
first
initiative
supporting
the
key
objectives
states
that
up
to
53.2
million
dollars
will
be
dedicated
primarily
through
Alberta
law
enforcement.
Response
teams
are
alert
to
deal
with
and
investigate
organized
crime,
child
pornography,
gun
violence,
drug
and
something
very
dear
to
myself,
a
human
trafficking,
domestic
violence
and
prolific
offenders,
Minister
I'm,
not
sure
on
how
many
albertans
know
about
alert.
F
But
could
you
talk
a
little
bit
about
how
alert
functions
and
how
it
keeps
albertin
safe
and
also
what
does
that
a
53.2
million
go
towards?
Is
it
Staffing,
if
so,
how
many
staff
chair
through
you
to
the
minister
on
page
105
of
the
business
plan
I
also
see
that
2.4
million
dollars
are
dedicated
to
creating
a
new
Firearms
investigative
unit
within
alert
to
combat
Firearms
violence.
B
Thank
you
very
much
to
my
colleagues
and
thank
you
again
to
the
chair.
So
I
guess
we'll
first
go
to
herbal
for
so
you
you
were
talking
about
the
Alberta,
sheriffs
and,
of
course,
Public
Safety
I
think
we
will
be
should
I,
say:
promisable,
invest
additional
27.3
million
Alberta
sheriffs
to
ensure
rural
communities
and
courthouses
Correctional
Facility
facilities
have
access
to
law
enforcement
resources,
albertans
need
and
let
me
be
clear,
like
well:
I
I
tell
you,
you
know
the
the
Alberta
Sheriff's
you
know.
B
I
would
argue
that
you
know
they
were.
They
were
running
a
very,
very
tight
ship
I
certainly
appreciate
all
the
wonderful
men
and
women
that
go
to
work
every
day
they
put
on
their
uniform
and
they
go
and
they
they
do
their
job.
They
provide
safety
within
the
courthouses.
B
They
do
prisoner
transfers
and
talking
to
somebody
who
has
done
prisoner
transfer
in
the
past
and
one
of
my
previous
occupations,
I
can
tell
you
that
that
can
be
a
dangerous
job,
so
kudos
to
the
wonderful
men
and
women
that
are
of
doing
doing
that
every
day
and
also
for
the
folks
in
the
highway
patrol.
B
You
know
a
lot
of
people
don't
realize
this,
but
in
Highway
Patrol
doing
a
traffic
stop
and
it
can
actually
be
one
of
the
most
dangerous
jobs
that
you
do,
because
it's
known
as
an
unknown,
an
unknown
threat,
an
unknown
risk.
You
don't
know
who
who
you're
going
to
be
stopping
sure
in
the
vast
majority
of
cases,
you're
stopping
a
a
citizen
that
you
know
may
or
may
not
be
warranted
of
a
ticket
the
ticket
is
written,
and
then
that
really
is
the
extent
of
the
day.
B
But
I
will
say
that
you
know
if
you've
ever
stopped.
Somebody
on
Deerfoot
Trail,
if
you
ever
stop
somebody
on
Highway
number,
two
I
can
tell
you.
There
is
no
more
scary
experience
than
have
somebody
whizzing
by
at
a
you
know,
100
plus
kilometers
an
hour
and
when
I
was
talking
earlier
about
the
unknown
threat.
You
know
on
those
rare
occasions
and
unfortunately
it
has
happened
to
this
province
where
you
have
dealt
with
somebody
who
is
we'll
call
it
we'll
say
less
than
desirable,
who
has
ill
intent.
B
Unfortunately,
officers
have
been
hurt
in
the
past,
so
that
makes
it
one
of
the
more
dangerous
jobs
that
there's
out
there
and
we
want
to
make
sure
those
officers
are
equipped
okay
and
that
they
have
the
proper
equipment,
whether
it
be
on
the
tools
on
the
tool
belt,
whether
it
be
the
radios,
whether
it
be
the
cars
that
they
drive,
and
you
know
when
I
first
took
over
the
portfolio
and
in
speaking
with
my
executive
director
or
law
enforcement,
when
speaking
with
the
the
chief
of
the
sheriff's
for
Rick
Sheikh,
just
a
wonderful,
wonderful
man.
B
Let
me
just
say
this:
we
should
be
very
honored
to
have
him
as
the
chief
of
the
sheriff's.
Let
me
be
clear
on
this.
The
first
Muslim
Chief
in
all
of
Canada
and
I
think
I
think
that
Alberta
should
be
recognized
for,
for
that
hiring
and
the
great
work
that
that
that
wonderful
officer
does
and
certainly
had
plenty
of
conversations
with
him
and
I
can
tell
you.
B
But
that
doesn't
mean
that
there
aren't
there
aren't
risks
involved.
Let
me
add
here
a
budget
2023,
we'll
add
245
additional
FTE
Sheriff
positions.
Let
me
just
say
this:
the
sheriffs
you
know
they've
had
they've
had
their
challenges
like
any
other
organization
and
and
I
would
say,
with
the
leadership
of
Chief
Shake,
you
know
he's
been
trying
to
to
fill
those
gaps,
he's
making
it
a
a
warm
and
welcoming
place
to
to
be
he's
improved.
B
And
then,
of
course,
as
we
have
seen
as
this
committee
is
fully
aware,
you
know,
we've
had
a
social
and
civil
disorder
and
our
two
largest
municipalities-
and
you
know
I
would
say
that
if,
if
there
was
any
complaint
that
I
have
received
regarding
the
sheriffs
that
are
deployed
in
Calgary
in
Edmonton,
is
that
it's
not
enough?
And
we
need
more?
B
That
has
really
been
the
feedback
that
I
have
been
getting
and
I
will
say
that
working
with
my
executive,
Deputy
Minister,
director
of
law
enforcement
along
with
Chief
Shake,
certainly
we're
looking
at
exploring
all
options
to
make
sure
that
the
citizens
of
Calgary
and
the
citizens
of
Edmonton,
protected
and
I've
said
this
before
and
I
will
continue
to
say
this.
There
are
people
that
you
know
we
want
to
make
sure.
Should
I
say
that
we
protect
those
who
are
most
vulnerable.
I.
B
B
You
know
and
that's
why
we're
equipping
these
officers
with
the
necessary
tools
that,
when
they
do
engage
and
this
I'm
talking
about
whether
it
be
the
sheriffs,
whether
it
be
the
Edmonton
Police
Service,
the
Calgary
Police
Service,
we're
making
sure
that
they
are
equipped
with
the
tools
so
that
when
they
come
across
somebody
who
is
a
vulnerable
person
who
has
not
committed
a
crime
that
they
have
those
tools
in
order
to
direct
that
individual
to
get
them
the
help
that
they
need.
I
know
one
of
your
colleagues,
I,
believe
and
I
know.
B
B
Well,
you
know
one
of
the
things
that
we
created
was
of
course,
when
I
see
we,
the
government
created
should
I
say
is
the
health
I
am
which
is
a
tool
that
the
law
enforcement
Community
uses,
but
what
it
does
is
it
is
it's
an
app
that
the
officer
has
the
ability
to
access
and
it
kind
of
gives
a
bit
of
a
a
a
preliminary
idea
as
to
how
to
deal
with
somebody
who
might
be
experiencing
an
actual
severe
mental
mental
health
illness
as
an
example.
B
So
there's
a
series
of
questions
that
is
asked
and
they
fill
in
the
blank
sort
of
thing,
and
then
you
know
it
may
say
you
know,
take
them
directly
to
the
hospital
that
person
may
be
posing
a
danger
to
themselves
or
others,
and
therefore
the
person
is
then
taken
to
the
hospital
or,
what's
known
as
a
mental
health
warrant,
form
10
or
it
may
notify
that
officer
that
there
may
be
some
alternative
places.
B
Maybe
a
mental
health
facility,
maybe
an
addictions
facility,
maybe
some
sort
of
place
that
may
be
better
suited
for
that
individual
to
again
help
direct
that
person-
and
you
know
I'll
just
say
this
from
talking
to
some
of
those
officers
if
it
means
if
it
means
driving
that
person
to
get
the
help
that
they
need,
they
will
do
that
and
you
know
I've
seen
that
with
the
our
Public
Safety
task
force.
Teams
I
was
out
there
fairly
recently
in
Edmonton,
I
walked,
I
walked,
the
walk,
I
walked
the
beat
with
them
and
I.
B
Tell
you
I
tell
you
what
those
men
and
women
I've
never
seen
a
more
compassionate
group
of
people
that
when
they
were
engaging
with
those
individuals,
it
was
not
about
not
about
you
know.
15,
20
years
ago,
when
I
was
policing
the
street
there
was
no
resources
available
for
people.
It
was
always
about
moving
along
moving
along,
but
where
do
you
move
them
to,
and
it
was
that's
not
what
it
was
about.
B
I.
One
of
your
colleagues
talked
a
bit
about
the
body
cameras.
Let
me
just
be
very
clear
on
this
body
cameras,
although
there's
no,
you
know
we'll
say
it's
all
part
of
the
overall
Public
Safety
right
and
the
paradigm
shift
that
my
colleague
was
talking
about
here
in
policing,
it's
easily
about
public
trust
and
the
public
trust
the
public
trust,
the
accountability.
The
transparency
I
can
tell
you
that
I
had
an
opportunity
to
tour
the
Calgary
facility.
B
Calgary
is
the
first
in
Alberta
to
have
done
the
the
body,
cameras
and
and
the
level
of
professionalism
the
ability,
the
the
transparency
you
know,
and
it
it
works
on
both
sides
right,
it's
it
it's.
It
ensures
that
the
police
officers
are
conducting
themselves
in
a
level
of
professionalism,
which
is
the
expectation
that
all
calgarians
that
fly,
probably
all
albertan,
should
have
on
on
professionals
who
are
out
there
serving
the
public
in
that
paradigm
shift
that
we
talked
about,
but
also
it's.
B
You
know
it
goes
both
ways
right
and
it
protects
that
officer
as
well
against
any
false
accusation.
So
you
know
to
me
it's
a
bit
of
a
win-win
for
everybody,
and
I
would
say
that
there
have
been
a
number
of
complaints
that
actually
have
been
resolved
as
a
result
of
that
body
of
born
cameras,
I
can
see
I
have
12
seconds
so
I'm
going
to
do
what
my
my
friend
here
did
and
kind
of
talk
for
a
few
moments,
but
I
I'm
happy
to
talk
further
about
some
of
the
answer.
B
Some
of
the
other
questions
I
know:
I'd
love
to
talk
about
alerts
and
their
their
function
as
well.
I
I
I
I
A
A
H
You
talked
about
Alberta,
Sheriff
chief
and
how
that
he
comes
from
Muslim
Community
I
would
say
that
Muslim
Community
has
been
around
for
over
100
years
in
Alberta,
and
it's
a
bit
late,
but
it
took
so
long
in
police
certainly
will
have
a
lot
to
catch
up
to
be
the
reflection
of
the
community
that
differ
that
you
are
envisioning
with
that.
I
will
move
on
to
the
questions
about
hate
crime
unit.
Whether
your
ministry
is
overseeing.
It
was
the
budget
for
it
and
what
the
structure
looks
like.
B
Thank
you
so
yeah,
so
well,
I
mean
he
hate
is
not
tolerated.
I,
don't
tolerate
it.
You
know
when
I
was
in
the
Police
Service,
you
know
we,
we
had
a
headache
service,
I'm,
pretty
sure
other
organizations
have
it
as
well.
B
Certainly
they
provide
oversight
and
making
sure
that
you
know
hate
crimes
were
actually
identified
and
dealt
with
appropriately.
I
know
your
member
you!
You
want
to
probably
talk
about
the
hate
crimes
coordination
unit.
Is
that
correct?
So
one
of
the
things
that
I
learned
it?
It
certainly
falls
under
the
intelligence
Bureau
within
the
public
security
division
mandated
to
deliver
services
that
reduce
response
to
promote
recovery
from
hate,
themed
occurrences
through
I
will
just
add
and
and
certainly
I'm
certainly
have.
B
My
director
of
law
enforcement
talked
about
this
further,
but
you
know
there,
which
is
what
I,
what
I'm
enjoying
about
this
is
that
it's
an
additional
resource,
no
matter
where
you
are
in
Alberta,
so
it
doesn't
matter
if
you're
in
a
remote
rural
area.
That
has
you
know
if
you
are
CMP
officers
or
if
you
are
in
one
of
the
larger
municipalities,
it
provides
a
bit
of
a
resource.
B
So
that
you
know,
if,
if
officers
on
the
ground
have
questions
that
something
might
be
related
to,
or
they
think
might
be,
a
hate
crime
that
this
this
unit
will
be
able
to
intervene
and
and
and
make
sure
that
if
something
is
a
hate
crime
that
is
actually
properly
addressed,
let
me
just
add
sorry
they're,
oh
yes,
I
want
to
talk
about
the
Alberta
security
infrastructure
program.
Grant
I
think
that's
very,
very
important
as
well.
B
There
are
you
know:
I've
I've,
actually
I've
been
very
fortunate
enough
to
sign
off
on
many
of
these.
That
is
ensuring
security
is
actually
provided
to
many
organizations.
B
Some
are
not-for-profit
organization,
not
not-for-profit
organizations.
There
are
many
religious
organizations,
many
vulnerable
organizations
that
have
been
victims
of
hate
in
the
past,
but
to
ensure
that
money
is
provided
to
them
so
that
they
can
have
their
security
systems.
H
G
H
But
outside
of
a
malls
at
bus
stops
on
our
streets.
So
what
specifically
your
ministry
plans
to
do
about
that
and,
as
I
mentioned,
that
National
Council
of
Canadian
Muslims
were
here
with
many
Muslim
Community
leaders
from
across
the
province,
and
they
also
want
specific
action
to
address
that
violence.
B
Spelled
that
no,
that
that
Grant,
the
ASAP
Grant,
which
is
so
basically
I,
think
it's
gone
from
2
million
up
to
five
million
dollars
a
year,
but
really
on
U.S,
specifically
yeah.
It's
the
paradigm
shift
that
we're
talking
about
right.
It's
the
fact.
It's
the
fact
that
police
and
not
be
seen
as
the
arm
of
the
state.
They
must
be
seen
as
the
extension
in
the
community
and
the
reflection
of
that
community.
So
it
is
about
understanding
that
hate
cannot
be
tolerated
and
you
know
there's
a
lot
of
great
examples.
B
You
know
you
have
to
excuse
my
bias
here,
but
you
know
I
would
argue
that
the
Calgary
Police
Service
at
a
certain
point
in
its
history
is
probably
one
of
the
most
Progressive
Police
Services,
not
just
in
Canada,
but
in
North
America.
Not
only
did
we
have
a
hate
crimes
unit,
but
we
had
you
know
organization
and
we
had
units
within
within
the
Calgary
Police
Service
that
were
specifically
liaising
with
all
cultures
right.
So
we
had
we
had.
We
had
officers
that
were
specifically
for
the
African
culture.
I
agree.
B
There
was
an
lgbtq
liaison
officer.
There
was,
you
know,
there
was
a
Caribbean
liaison
officer
and
I
could
probably
go
on
and
on
and
on.
But
but
what
is?
What
is
the
reason
for
that?
Well,
I
can
tell
you
what
the
reason
is
for
that
right,
and
it
was
one
of
your
colleagues
on
the
other
side
of
the
table
that
I
thought
I
thought
was
very
good
at
at
pointing
this
out.
It's
because
in
some
of
these
other
other
jurisdictions
around
the
world,
the
police
are
the
arm
of
the
state.
B
B
That's
not
the
case
here
that
the
police
are
here
to
help
them
that
the
police
are
your
friend
that
the
police
are
going
to
provide
you
and
your
family
protection
and
service
or
whatever
the
case
may
be,
and
so
they
had
specific
liaison
officers
that
went
out
in
the
community
engaged
with
that
Community
to
let
them
know
that,
and
let
me
just
say
this:
there
are
people
out
there
and,
and
you
and
I
we
all
know
that
there
are
that
Deuce,
you
hate
that
do
commit
crimes.
They
need
to
be
held
accountable
and
I.
B
H
Thank
you.
I
have
had
the
opportunity
to
work
with
diversity,
unit
and
Calgary
Police
Service.
Once
we
had
a
town
hall
about
drugs
and
gang
violence
last
week,
I
believe
they
were
a
Genesis
Center
with
their
career,
fair.
They
have
to
improve
representation,
and
that's
really
good
and
I've
outcome.
One
talks
about
recovery,
oriented
system
of
care
and
risk
response
to
addiction,
homelessness
and
public
safety
issues
in
Edmonton
and
Calgary.
H
Two
quick
question
where
we
are
with
the
implementation
of
death
and
what
about
on
other
places
in
the
province
because
same
issues
are
present.
You
know
radio
and
that
bridge
in
other
communities.
H
It's
outcome,
one
that
mentions
that
Ministry
is
implementing
recovery,
oriented
system
of
care
in
response
to
addiction,
homelessness
and
Public
Safety
in
Edmonton
and
Cavalry.
B
You
sure
I
could
probably
talk
for
several
hours
on
this,
but
I
won't
look
we're
we're
halfway
through
what
is
considered
to
be
an
eight-year
plan
in
the
recovery
oriented
system
of
care.
You
know
if,
if
I
can
just
give
me
a
little
bit
of
of
leeway
here,
this
is
a
transformational
change
as
well
again,
there's
many
many
jurisdictions
throughout
North
America.
That
really
just
you
know,
and
we
talked
about
this
momentarily.
B
You
know
we,
we
there's
a
grant
and
sometimes
grants
work
and
sometimes
grants
don't
work,
and
but
there
was
no
real
system
of
care
that
has
been
in
place
and
that's
what
the
Roth
system
is.
It's
an
actual
system
of
care
whereby
somebody
enters
in
the
system.
They
go
on
a
journey
of
wellness
and
then
they
exit
the
system
in
a
better
place
from
which
they
started
the
police.
You
know,
as
it
relates
to
obviously
this
ministry.
B
The
police
have
to
be
that
one
of
the
first
points
of
contact
when
it
comes
to
that
and
in
that
point
to
contact
that
person
may
enter
the
system
now.
In
some
cases
they
may
have
a
severe
opioid
addiction,
just
as
an
example
right
and
that's
why
we
created
the
the
pathways,
such
as
the
virtual
great
dependency
program,
the
digital
overdose
response
system.
Let
me
talk
to
you.
I
know.
We've
got
only
a
few
seconds
here,
but
the
digital
overdose
response
system.
B
F
F
B
So,
thank
you,
member.
Thank
you
very
much
for
the
question.
This
is
actually
a
very
important
unit
that
is
being
created.
You
know
one
of
the
things
that
the
Alberta
law
enforcement,
Response
Team,
informed
me
of
which
I
thought
was
very
very
important,
I
think
anybody
who's
listening
can
also
understand.
This
is
that
it's
actually
not
lawful
gun
owners
that
are
committing
these
violent
crimes.
It's
it's
guns
that
are
being
brought
across
the
border
or
actually
stolen
from
foreign
ER.
B
That
has
the
technology
to
not
only
understand
and
Trace
these
guns,
but
also
work
collaboratively
with
other
jurisdictions
right
across
Canada,
so
that
when
a
firearm
is
used-
and
you
know-
and
some
of
these
jurisdictions
are
obviously
working
and
networking
together
it-
it
can
and
has
been
determined
that
some
of
these
Firearms
offenses
are
actually
being
used
in
multiple
violent
offenses
right
across
Canada.
B
So
when
the
technology
from
the
Firearms
unit,
which
is
going
to
be
created
and
or
I
know,
has
been
created,
but
you
know
it's
going
to
go
to
we'll
say
to
the
next
level,
we'll
say
that
that
that
information
can
be
used
in
laying
multiple
charges
throughout
Canada
or
other
should
I,
say
other
jurisdictions
against
one
offender
when
and
if
that
person
is
indeed
cost.
So
this
is,
this
is
again
a
game
changer
where
it
comes
to
Firearms,
offenses
and
I.
Just
want
to
ask
my
my
director
of
law
enforcement.
B
If
you
can
talk
to
the
specifics
about
the
cost
of
the
unit
and
the
hiring
and
stuff
like
that,.
G
The
the
unit
itself's
going
to
be
funded
through
alert
or
two
point
four
million
dollars,
and
that
will
allow
us
to
create
two
teams,
one
in
the
north
and
one
in
the
south,
of
approximately
eight
to
nine
numbers.
Depending
on
the
final
structure,
that's
determined
by
the
chiefs
of
police.
F
Minister
chair
through
you
to
the
minister
looking
at
the
performance
metric
2.8
on
page
107
of
the
business
plan,
which
measure
which
measures
the
average
days
to
decisions
for
applications,
crime
assistance,
program,
2023
2024,
the
target
is
49
days
in
2024
2025
is
reduced
to
40
and
by
the
next
year
it
is
further
reduced
to
30..
Can
the
minister
highlight
how
the
government
plans
to
meet
these
Stark
targets.
B
B
You
know
we
want
to
provide
consistency,
right
consistency
and
let
me
just
be
very
clear:
there
are
some
municipalities
in
Alberta
that
had
no
victims
of
crime,
I
mean
again,
you
know
when
you're
in
the
City
of
Calgary
or
the
city
of
Edmonton,
I
I.
Think
sometimes
you
take
these
these
units
for
granted,
because
you
know,
although
some
of
them
are
run
by
paid
employees,
some
are
run
by
by
volunteers.
B
I
mean
I
was
very
fortunate
when
I
was
in
the
Calgary
Police
Service
I
just
made
one
simple
phone
call
and
boom,
and
somebody
was
out
there,
but
I
can
tell
you
that
there
are
a
number
of
jurisdictions
throughout
Alberta
and
I
think
the
number
is
actually
six
that
had
zero
victim
services,
and
that
was
part
of
the
problem
right,
and
so
you
know
it's
not
a
bad
thing
that
we're
providing
consistency
throughout
the
province
in
alleviating
alleviating
some
of
the
pressure
administrative
pressures
that
are
on
some
of
these
some
of
these
jurisdictions.
B
When
it
comes
to
Financial
benefits,
program,
cash,
acknowledgments,
yeah,
medical
info
attending
attending
physicians,
counseling,
look
I,
mean
I'll,
just
say
this
I,
you
know.
Maybe
it's
more
of
me
just
talking
from
the
heart
and
talking
from
some
of
the
conversations
that
I've
had
I
can
tell
you
that
when
I've
talked
to
many
victim
Services
all
throughout
this
province,
I
can
tell
you
the
wonderful
things
that
each
and
every
one
of
them
do
and
let
me
be
very
Crystal
Clear
when
you're
a
victim,
a
victim
of
crime.
B
That
does
not
mean
that
you
are
not
a
victim
of
tragedy
and
I
have
to
be
very
crystal
clear
on
that,
because
I
think
that
there
was
some
misinformation
that
was
was
out
there
that
somehow
victims
of
tragedy
would
not
be
covered.
I
can
tell
you
firsthand
experience
having
been
to
you
know,
fatalities
at
car
accidents.
Having
been
that
person
that
knocks
on
somebody's
door.
B
Even
if
they're,
not
a
quote-unquote
victim
of
a
crime
I
can
crime,
I
can
tell
you
a
victim
of
a
tragedy
is
equally
as
important
to
make
sure
that
those
individuals
are
getting
the
help
that
they
need.
So
let
me
be
very
crystal
clear
that
has
not
changed.
Those
people
who
are
victims
of
crime
are
going
to
get
the
help
that
they
need,
but
the
compassionate
people
that
are
out
in
the
field
around
Alberta
helping
people
but
also
victims
of
tragedy.
B
F
A
chair
through
you
to
the
minister,
it's
really
great
to
hear
all
about
the
human
side
today
from
you.
I
have
great
respect
for
anybody
who
has
laid
down
their
life
for
our
safety.
So
I
just
wanted
to
add
that
and
Minister.
If
you
wouldn't
mind,
please
the
question
again
on
page
105
of
the
business
plan,
the
first
initiative
supports
the
key
objective:
States
at
up
to
53.2
million
will
be
dedicated
primarily
through
Alberta
law
enforcement.
F
Response
team
are
alert
to
deal
with
the
end:
investigate
organized
crime,
child
pornography,
gun
violence,
drug
and
human
trafficking,
domestic
violence
and
prolific
offenders
and
Minister.
If
you
could
talk
a
little
bit
more
about
how
many
how
albertans
can
learn
about
what
alert
is
and
if
you
could
talk
about
the
functions
of
it
and
how
it
keeps
albertans
safe.
B
Well,
thank
you.
Thank
you.
Member
of
course,
we've
we've
increased
the
funding
to
alert,
try
to
look
for
the
exact
number
that
we
increase
the
funding
for
alert
buy.
Maybe
somebody
can
get
get
that
number
to
me.
If
you
don't
mind,
but
look
the
Alberta
alert
the
Alberta
law
enforcement
response.
Team
I
can
tell
you,
oh
thank
you
very
much.
B
B
I
can
tell
you
that
that
is
I,
I
hatch
off
to
them
for
doing
what
they
do
to
protect
children
in
Alberta
I'm,
not
entirely
sure
that
there's
a
person
in
this
room,
including
myself,
that
would
be
able
to
to
do
that
job
is
seeing
the
the
tragedy
that
they
see
each
and
every
each
and
every
day,
when
they're
in
doing
that,
job
is
something
that
I
tell.
You
just
brings
that
absolute
emotional
tear
to
my
heart.
B
B
There
is
a
lot
of
guns
and
gang
violence
in
in
different
areas,
not
just
in
Edmonton
but
in
Calgary
and
as
the
previous
member
indicated
in
Northeast
Calgary
as
well,
and
I
made
an
announcement
fairly
recently
that
made
sure
that
members
of
alert
were
going
to
work
collaboratively
with
with
the
Calgary
Police
Service
to
let
gang
members
know
in
in
in
in
Calgary,
specifically
and
I
know
to
the
Members
Credit
in
Northeast
Calgary,
specifically
that
we
are
not
going
to
tolerate
this
type
of
behavior.
B
We
are
not
going
to
tolerate
open
gunfire
in
the
streets
and
putting
children
and
families
at
risk,
and
I
will
say
this
that
if
you
are
a
gang
member
and
you're
choosing
to
put
people
at
risk,
you
will
be
arrested.
B
H
H
Those
changes
resulted
in
reduced
services
for
victim
of
clients
in
2021-22
I.
Remember
that
estimate
for
this
fund
was
62
million
dollars
and
on
March
10
2021
I
asked
about
how
much
so
specifically
spent
on
supports
for
victims
of
crime
and
then
Brad
Walsh
senior
finance
officer
responded
on
behalf
of
Minister
and
said
five
million
dollars.
B
Yeah,
we'll
certainly
there
are
communities
that
have
shared
concerns.
I
will
let
you
know
that
when
I,
when
I
do
have
conversations
with
those
communities,
their
biggest
concern,
actually
member
has
to
do
with
the
concern
that
there
were
people
that
might
not
be
covered
under
victims
of
tragedy.
That
has
really
been
there
concerned.
So,
when
I
alleviate
that
from
their
concerns,
there
is
actually
an
understanding
from
the
vast
majority
of
of
communities
that
I
have
spoken
to
that
really
understand
that
yeah.
Okay,
we
need
to
have
consistency
throughout
the
province.
B
We
need
to
make
sure
that
we
alleviate
some
of
the
administrative
pressures
and
we
need
to
make
sure
that
people
are
receiving
these
services
to
equal
or
better
than
what
they
already
have
been
reserving.
But
let
me
just
say
this
I'm
going
to
ask
Alex
to
answer
this,
because
this
is
really
is
domain.
H
L
Thank
you
memory
sure,
so.
The
entirety
of
the
victims
of
crime
and
Public
Safety
fund
is
going
towards
services
and
supports
for
victims,
so
that
is
a
total
of
39.5
million
enough
for
the
term
of
2023
to
20
..
So
there
are
no
other
initiatives
outside
of
services.
The
victims
of
supports
that
are
funded
so
in
terms
of
the
other
key
tenant.
L
That
was
a
concern
of
stakeholders
when
they're
asking
about
the
redesign
is
that
victim
service
workers
will
no
longer
be
Community
Based
and
that's
also
incorrect
front-line
case
workers
will
remain
within
their
communities
with
their
volunteer
advocates
in
their
communities
and
continue
to
work
from
their
own
art
from
the
RCMP
detachments
within
those
communities.
So
there
is
no
reduction.
The.
B
So
so
it
is
so
so
I
appreciate
that
and
that
is
communicated
when
I
have
these
conversations
on
a
a
one-to-one.
H
Too,
that
albertans
has
supported
in
their
interaction
with
the
justice
system.
In
this
regard,
the
question
I
have
is
that
whether
government
is
considering
additional
funding
to
support
trauma-informed
programming
in
conjunction
to
remote
testimony
technology,
so
that
Albertson's
interaction
with
justice
system
are
supported.
B
So
so
this
again
related
to
sorry
member
just
want
to
be
clear
here
this,
as
relates
to
victims
of
tragedy,
as.
B
Okay
well
I'll
just
say
this
is
a
good
question.
I'll
ask
the
the
members
here
to
get
you
unless
you
anybody's
got
an
answer
off
the
top
of
their
head
or
you
say:
okay,
that's
a
good
point.
Thank.
B
H
Do
quick
question
relating
to
disaster
risk
in
response
3.2
one?
Is
that
that's
coming
straight
from
stakeholders
that
there
are
some
cross-border
challenges
with
respect
to
equipment
and
personal
traveling
across
provincial
boundaries
in
order
to
support
disaster
recovery?
So
this
includes
credential
recognition
for
professions
like
Maddox
and
nurses,
who
are
licensed
at
the
provincial
level.
H
So
this
is
something
that
need
to
be
discussed
between
provinces.
So
have
you
heard
about
this
or
knowing
anything
about
it
in?
The
second
related
question,
is
that
preventing
disasters
would
include
things
like
flood
mitigation,
building,
changing
building
codes
and
all
that
two
out
there
any
dollars
going
towards
the
prevention.
For
instance,
the
Northeast
hail
storm
happened.
There
was
some
program
to
build
hair
resistance,
Roofing
that
would
reduce
the
insurance
cost
in
the
long
run,
for
any
plans
for
prevention.
Piece
of
that
sure.
B
B
The
public
safety
can
request
funding
from
the
treasury
Board
of
disaster
for
disaster
recovery
programs
I'll
just
get
to
further
add
that
I
have
had
a
meeting
with
Minister
Bill
Blair
and,
despite
with
anybody
in
the
room,
I
think
actually
we
do
get
along
quite
well,
probably
because
we're
both
Law
Enforcement
Officers
I
can
tell
you
that
we've
had
a
wonderful
conversation.
We
both
are
in
agreement
that
anybody
who
is
a
victim
of
an
emergency
or
a
victim
of
a
tragedy
is
a
result
of
an
emergency.
B
H
K
Chair
Minister,
honorable
member,
so
I'll
try
to
unpack
your
questions
there,
because
there.
K
So
your
first
question
was
pertaining
to
cross
jurisdiction
accreditation
for
for
for
folks,
but
it's
the
first
time
I
hear
of
that
I'd
be
more
than
willing
to
look
at
it.
If
we
have
actual
instances
where
that
happened.
K
What
I
could
share,
though,
is
that
going
as
far
back
as,
for
example,
the
2016
Regional
Municipality
of
wood
Buffalo
fires,
we
accepted
a
a
large
number
of
external
workers
to
to
to
pile
on
to
the
Emergency
Management
response,
and,
as
recently
as
last
year,
Alberta
sent
a
number
of
Emergency
Management
Specialists
of
British
Columbia
with
no
issues
whatsoever,
so
it
might
be
related
to
accreditation
for
specific
professions.
I
would
guess
ethics.
K
Yeah
exactly
but
again
going
back
to
during
the
pandemic.
We
did
accept
nurses
from
other
jurisdictions
into
this
province
and
no
accreditation
issues
were
relayed
to
me.
K
Oh,
thank
you,
madam
chair.
So,
with
all
due
respect,
you
know,
I
don't
make
policy
I,
I
Implement,
the
policy
that
we
operate
within
so
in
terms
of
a
hail
storm,
while
I
am
fully
empathetic
to
those
folks
who
incurred.
K
If,
if
my
memory
is
correct,
1.2
billion
dollars
in
insurable
Damages,
the
the
current
guidelines
that
are
in
place
do
not
allow
Public,
Safety
and
emergency
services
and
the
Alberta
Emergency
Management
agency
to
disperse
funds
against
what
is
essentially
an
insurable
peril,
and
that
is
the
the
individual
homeowners
or
tenants
responsibilities
to
to
fulfill.
Thank
you
and
in
terms
of
large-scale
disasters
or
events
like
heat
domes.
D
Right,
thank
you.
Thank
you,
madam
chair
I.
Guess
I
want
to
start
by
looking
at
the
fact
that
my
constituents
have
been
very
concerned
about
world
crime.
I
know
the
minister
is
aware
of
that,
and
so
I
want
to
refer
to
key
objective
1.3
in
the
business
plan,
which
is
to
enhance
the
Authority's
role
in
the
numbers
of
provincial
sheriffs,
to
support
the
RCMP
and
addressing
rural
crime.
D
I'm
gonna,
just
sort
of
set
the
stage
here
by
saying
I
want
to
address
rural
crime
right
now
and
I
know
that
governments
can
make
a
difference
on
their
own
country
for
nothing
else.
D
We
play,
we
do
business
with
our
Police
Services.
You
know
one
of
the
rcmps
in
my
church
and
and
two
of
the
the
shares
of
my
constituency.
I
taught,
we
know
them
very
well,
they
are
an
extension
of
our
community
and
we
know
that
they're
doing
their
best.
We
know
that
they're
working
hard
and
they're
faced
with
with
situations
where
sometimes
there's
not
enough,
please
to
cover
vast
areas
of
my
constituency
in
the
province.
We
know
that
sometimes
it
takes
as
much
as
45
minutes
to
an
hour
to
get
to
a
place.
D
We
know
that
there
are
unknown
threats
that
they
face
every
day.
I
can
remember
being
stopped
because
I
had
a
light
out
on
my
on
my
license
plate
and
stopping
me,
and
it
was
in
the
middle
of
the
night.
D
He
had
no
idea
whether
he
was
coming
up
to
somebody
that
was
was
a
danger
or
just
a
very
Joe
average
citizen,
like
myself
and
I
thought
boy
that
takes
a
lot
of
Bravery
to
walk
up
to
a
vehicle
in
the
middle
of
the
night,
like
that
unknown
threats,
yeah
they've
got
them
by
the
buckets
hole
so
I
think
in
a
rural
community.
We
know
our
officers,
we
know
our
Police
Services.
We
know
the
kinds
of
threats
that
they're
facing.
We
know
very
well
what
they're,
what
they're,
what
they're
having
to
to
deal
with?
D
And
so
and
you
know,
friends
I-
had
a
constituent
come
into
my
office
into
my
office
and
talking
about
the
fact
that
he
was
doing
a
a
he
had
a
business
in
town.
He
lived
on
an
acreage
and
his
parents
were
out
on
a
farm
and
he
had
to
do
three
times
a
night.
He
would
do
a
circuit,
it
showed
that
everything
was
okay
and
one
night.
He
he
actually
took
off
after
a
guy
rammed
his
truck
coming
out
of
his
parents,
Farm
yard,
and
they
did
a
bumper
like
big.
D
D
That's
what
rural
crime
is
is
looking
like
at
these
days.
So
with
all
of
that,
I
asked
two
questions:
can
the
minister
talk
a
bit
about
what
his
ministry
is
doing
to
address
rural
crime,
including
the
expanding
of
the
role
of
sheriffs?
And
secondly,
specifically
on
response
times
in
rural
communities?
Can
Minister
provide
us
with
an
update
on
how
rural
communities
and
police
response
times
how
you've
addressed
police
response
times
over
the
last
few
years?.
B
Well,
thank
you,
member
and
a
number
of
things
I
like
to
unpack
there
right
so
I'll
just
start
off
with
simply
you
know:
5.8
million
of
fun
D
for
programs
to
address
problems,
properties,
drug
houses,
conjunction
it's
within
alerts,
of
course,
that
it
goes
out
and
does
their
job.
1.7
million
will
support
increasing
surveillance
in
rural
communities
through
the
expansion,
of
course,
the
sheriff's
investigative
units,
a
million-
will
establish
Fusion
of
apprehension.
Team
I
can
get
into
that
in
a
moment.
B
But
let
me
just
say
this
is
that
in
the
justice
system,
I
know
there's
a
lot
of
folks
no
different
than
when
I
was
in
mental
health
and
addictions.
That
think
that
there
are
very
simple
answers
to
very,
very
complex
problems.
If
only
we
do
this,
then
it
will
all
be
solved.
If
only
we
do
that,
then
everything
will
be
solved.
I
would
just
say
this
is
that
in
the
justice
system,
which
can
be
and
is
very
complex,
there's
a
lot
of
subjectivity
to
it,
there's
when
it
comes
to
even
somebody
being
arrested.
B
So
if
you
understand
the
the
scale
here,
police
officers
have
what
is
known
as
reasonable
suspicion.
That
kind
of
allows
me
to
kind
of
look
at
you
and
say
wait.
A
second
do
I
have
some
reasonable
suspicion.
That
gives
me
some
grounds,
but
in
order
for
them
to
make
the
rest,
they
need
what
is
known
as
reasonable
and
probable
grounds.
Okay,
then,
the
crown
has
a
different
bar.
The
crown
will
have
what
is
known
as
likelihood
of
prosecution.
B
Okay,
so
they
have
to
look
at
it
from
that
lens
and
then
the
the
judge
and
the
judges
and
the
judicial
system.
They
have
to
look
at
it
from
proof,
Beyond,
A,
Reasonable,
Doubt
right.
So
we
have
this
scale
in
the
justice
system.
But
we
all
have
roles
to
play.
Is
what
the
point
that
I'm
trying
to
say
to
you
right,
so
the
officers
need
to
do
their
job.
They
need
to
put
together.
They
need
to
do
good
reports.
They
need
to
make
sure
that
they
have
strong.
B
What
is
known
as
a
show
cause
report
as
an
example
right,
the
crown
no
different.
They
have
a
job
to
do
as
well.
They
have
to
make
sure
that
when,
when
they're
that
they're
looking
at
it
through
the
lens
of
likelihood
or
prosecution,
they
have
to
look
at
it
when
they're
doing
a
show
of
what
is
known
as
a
bail
hearing
a
show
cause
hearing
a
show
cause
why
somebody
should
be
released
or
detained
in
custody.
B
Obviously,
the
judges
ensuring
that
the
person
or
person
should
I
say
when,
when
charged
that
you
know
the
police
have
done
their
job,
the
pros
the
prosecutors
done
their
job,
then
hopefully
they
make
a
decision
that
isn't
you
know
the
best
interest
of
multiple
of
different
factors,
whether
it
be
eqs,
whether
it
be
the
victims,
whether
it
be
the
public,
but
also
who
has
a
role
in
this
is
the
federal
government.
B
The
federal
government
has
a
role
in
this
as
it
pertains
to
the
criminal
code
and
what
is
and
is
not
in
the
criminal
code,
and
there
has
been
I
know.
The
member
opposite
had
talked
a
little
bit
about
violent
crimes,
and
so
we
are
seeing
this
throughout
Canada,
where
we
are
seeing
violent,
repeat
offenders
who
are
being
released
into
the
streets
to
commit
more
violent
and
and
and
violent
crimes,
and
essentially
praying
on
the
public.
B
That
is,
is
the
bail
hearing
system
itself
right
and
my
point
is
for
you
in
rural
Alberta
and
those
police
officers
who
become
frustrated,
who
go
well
I
just
arrested
somebody
on
a
very,
very
serious
offense,
yet
that
person
was
released
only
a
very
short
time
later
so
I
will
say
this
credit
will
say
to
the
federal
government
for
recognizing
that
they
made
a
serious
error
and
the
serious
error
was
Bill.
C-75
Bill
c-75
essentially
lowered
the
bar
when
it
comes
to
bail
hearings.
So
what
does
that
mean?
B
That
means
that
in
the
past,
when
we
had
to
use
what
is
known
as
primary,
secondary
and
tertiary
grounds
right,
so
the
likelihood
that
somebody's
going
to
attend
court
the
likelihood
that
somebody's
going
to
reoffend
what
the
administration
of
just
has
fallen
to
disrepute.
If
that
person
was
to
be
released,
that
bar
has
essentially
been
lowered.
So
you
are
seeing
violent
criminal
offenders
who
are
being
released
into
the
streets.
B
So
our
position
as
far
as
Alberta
Government
was
concerned
was
essentially
that
unless
immediate,
immediate
and
substantial
action
is
to
be
taken,
then
we
will
demand
that
bill
c-75
be
repealed.
Now
you
know
I
will
say
this.
I
had
a
good
conversation,
as
did
every
other
minister
in
the
province
with
the
federal
government.
We
have.
B
You
very
helpful,
thank
you
very
much
and
thank
you.
Chair
I
will
just
say
that
the
the
you
know
the
federal
government
made
a
commitment
to
all
of
us
ministers
and
Canadians
right
that
they
will
take.
You
know
I
mean.
Obviously
it's
it's
no
different
than
a
bill
that
we
have
here
in
the
Alberta
Government.
They
can't
tell
us
what's
in
the
bill,
but
they've
indicated
that
they
have
our
commitment
that
substant,
substantive
changes
are
going
to
be
made.
B
You
know
upcoming
Bill
and
that
they
would
be
doing
it.
Obviously
they
can't
give
an
exact
timeline,
I
respect
that,
but
as
soon
as
possible
and
so
I
at
this
time,
I
will
be
on
good
faith,
optimistic
that
these
changes
will
indeed
occur
and
that
this
revolving
door
and
I
would
just
say
there
that
you
know
we
can
make
arguments
and
I
I
talked
about
about.
B
You
know
the
role
of
every
level
here
within
the
justice
system,
but
in
this
case,
when
we're
talking
about
violent
criminal
offenders,
that
that
actual
substantive
changes
are
going
to
be
made
to
make
sure
that
these
folks
are
not
going
to
be
released
to
Prey
Upon,
Canadians
and
specifically
albertans.
D
B
Sorry
we
will
share
thank.
H
H
H
Me
where
it
seems
like
that,
now
that
when
police
officers
stops
somebody,
they
will
now
need
to
consult
a
crown
prosecutor,
who
will
second
judge
officer's
judgment
and
see
whether
there
is
a
likelihood
of
convection.
It
may
help
us
reduce
the
caseload
from
the
court
system,
but
mean
not
necessarily
help
us
reduce
the
crime.
B
B
You
know
if
the
threshold
are
reasonable
and
probable
grounds
is
made.
Then
obviously,
but
let
me
just
add
this
right.
Let
me
just
add
one
thing:
there
was
always
a
check
balance
system.
I,
don't
think
people
realize
this,
because
when
I
used
to
work
at
the
arrest,
Processing
Unit
or
when
I
was
a
supervisor
even
when
there
was
promises
to
appear
or
appearance
notices,
it
was
never
just.
You
know
the
officer
laid
the
charge
and
you
know
that's
it.
There
was
there
was
nothing
to
it.
B
There
was
always
a
level
of
oversight
to
make
sure-
and
this
is
very
let
me
be
very
clear
on
this
right-
that
that
that
the
officer
met
those
not
only
the
reasonable
problem
grounds
that
they
had
evidence
to
support
the
charge,
but
also
that
there
was
no
Charter
issues
right.
You
have
to
be
lawfully
placed
right
and
I
can
I
can
tell
you,
there
are
officers
and
like
this
is
no.
It
is
no
secret
I'll
throw
Canada.
B
There's
officers
that
you
know
you
know
you
know
spidey
sense
or
a
hunch
is
not
good
enough
right.
You
have
to
be
lawfully
placed,
and
so
there
are
checks
and
balances
out
there.
H
B
That
well
look
I,
think
there.
There
comes
a
point
in
time
where
you
have
to
let
the
police,
police
and
the
prosecutors
prosecute.
The
judges
do
with
what
they
do.
Right.
I
appreciate
that
there's
people
that
are
are
trying
to
provide
extra
layers,
we'll
say
within
the
system
and
stuff
like
that.
B
Yeah
you
never.
Let
me
finish
right.
I
said
you
know,
so
you
know
I
think
that
we
have
to
allow
this
initiative
to
to
see
if
it's
actually
going
to
work
right,
and
so
you
know
for
as
far
as
I'm
concerned,
we'll
we'll
see
and
we'll
see.
If
it's
going
to
be
successful
and
we'll
see
if
it's
going
to
work,
I
mean
all
I
can
say
right
now.
Member
is,
is
that
you
know
I'm
optimistic
I
mean
any
sort
of
oversight.
B
I
would
say
is
valuable
right
and
you
know
the
crown
prosecutor
has
a
role
to
play
in
this
as
well.
So
you
know
we'll
see
right,
I
mean
there's
time.
Look.
Let
me
see
this
regarding.
Let
me
say
this
regarding
bail
hearings,
for
instance,
right
I
mean
when
I
was
a
bail
hearing
officer
right
I
had
when
I
was
a
bit
when
I
was
a
bail
hearing
officer,
you
know
I,
you
know
I,
you
know
we.
B
We
had
a
very
good
reputation
as
far
as
making
sure
that
we
were
able
to
do
that
job
effectively
efficiently
hold
people
to
account
we
needed
to
be
held
to
account.
You
know
the
government
transitioned
to
having
Crown
prosecutors.
Do
it,
you
know,
is
it
successful?
Maybe
you
know
did.
Did
it
mean
that
the
other
system
was
unsuccessful,
not
necessarily.
A
M
Sorry,
thank
you
Mr
and
through
the
chair.
Thank
you
for
the
question.
The
reason
for
the
significant
increase
is
due
to
the
reorganization
within
the
department,
and
there
is
shared
services
now
reflected
in
financial
services,
for
both
the
Department
of
Public
Safety
and
emergency
services,
but
this
increase
is
related
to
strategy
support
and
integrated
initiatives.
There
was
previous
question
about
the
hate
crimes
unit.
That
budget
is
in
here.
M
B
Yeah
I
think
we
I
think
there's
264
sheriffs
are
going
to
be
added,
but
Marlin.
Do
you
want
to
give
some
clarification
on
that.
G
It's
you
know:
sorry
Madam,
chair,
Minister,
the
25
or
actually
to
correct
that
that
was
I,
believe
it
should
have
been
26
in
just
over.
26
million
was
for
the
Provincial
Police
Service
was
answered,
the
sheriff's
budget
is
increasing,
is
trying
to
find
the
exact
number
and
I'll
get
it
for
you.
B
Before
that
yeah
sure,
let
me
just
maybe
Supple
let
let
Marlin
take
a
look
at
this,
but
let
me
just
say
this
look,
look
we're
trying
to
augment
right
now,
some
of
the
concerns
that
we're
having
in
rural
Alberta
right.
So
unfortunately,
as
mentioned
by
some
rural
albertan
mlas,
it's
taking
a
a
extremely
long
period
of
time
for
police
to
either
get
to
a
call,
in
some
cases,
they're
not
going
to
the
call
at
all-
that's
not
acceptable.
B
So
you
know
if
that
means
that
we
fulfill
some
of
the
the
training
here
to
make
sure
that
we
have
police
officers
that
were
able
to
go
and
and
respond
to
that
call
that
doesn't
mean
it's.
You
know
the
the
sheriffs
are
taking
over
anything.
It
just
means
we're
augmenting
and
helping
our
current
police
system,
because,
let
me
just
say
this:
the
the
first
and
foremost
and
I,
don't
think.
There's
anybody
in
this
room,
that's
going
to
disagree
with
this
right
is
again
I,
don't
care
what
the
uniform
is.
B
B
37.3
million
to
increase
due
to
10.2
million
to
address
resourcing,
particularly
with
court
and
Court
transport
services,
to
keep
court
and
Correctional
Facilities
operating
efficiently.
10
million
due
to
transfer
budgeted
funds
from
victims,
crime
and
Public
Safety
clientele
per
share
of
6.8
million.
To
maintain
current
operational
status
uphold
the
level
of
service
albertans
depend
on
there's
a
bunch
of
inflationary.
H
B
F
B
Obviously
we're
creating
that
that
independent
investigator
body
that
acert
will
eventually
be
a
part
of
look
I
mean
you
know,
I
mean
I'll,
say
this
as
a
former
investigator
investigations
take
as
long
as
investigations
take
you
know,
obviously
that
doesn't
mean
that
they
can
be
ongoing
forever,
but
you
know,
obviously
you
see
the
assistant
Deputy
Minister,
the
director
of
law
enforcement
works
very
closely
with
alert
to
make
sure
that
that
they
get
the
funds
that
are
required
to
complete
those
investigations.
B
I
I
think
that
you
know
I
know
Marlon.
If
you
want
to
supplement
that,
but
you've
been
in
communication
with
them
and
they
have
you
know
they've
been
you
know,
we've
gotten
them
the
funds
that
they've
been
asking
for.
D
Chair
is
it
okay
with
you
if
we
go
back
and
forth
Minister?
Thank
you
very
much.
I'll
have
basically
one
more
question
for
you
and
then
I'll
save
my
time
over
to
Minister
nice.
Try
to
remember
love
I
want
to
look
at
focusing
on
outcome,
three
of
the
business
plan,
which
states
Alberta's,
prepared
and
resilient
to
the
impacts
of
disasters.
We
had
some
conversation
earlier
with
about
the
glitch
that
occurred
and
I
was
going
to
originally
ask
some
questions
about
the
glitch,
but
I
want
to
just
sort
of
morph
those
questions.
D
A
little
bit.
I
have
a
private
members
Bill
it's
going
to
be
interested
if
it
is
introduced
into
the
house
right
now
called
the
Silver
Alert
and
we're
having
some
discussions
and
I
can
anticipate
some
questions
about
costs,
and
so,
when
we're
doing
an
emergency
alert,
whether
that
be
an
amber
alert
or
whether
it's
a
disaster
or
whether
it
could
be
if
we
pass
it
through
the
legislature,
Silver
Alert,
how?
Where
your
budget,
how
much
does
it
cost
to
organize
that
yeah.
B
Sure
I
mean
I'll,
have
Stephen
Lacroix
come
up
and
and
see
if
they
can
give
you
an
answer
to
that.
I
just
want
to
supplement
what
you're
saying
remember,
look
I
mean
obviously
been
somebody
who
is
in
command
of
of
seniors,
who
unfortunately
may
be
facing
Dementia
or
or
or
some
other
sort
of
you
know
mental
illness
as
an
example
that
have
gone
missing.
B
You
know,
I
can
tell
you
that
the
families
of
those
individuals
I
mean
they're
I've
been
so
right
so
is.
Is
there?
Is
it?
Is
it
urgent?
Is
there
an
emergency?
Yes,
it's
a
missing
person
right
and
you
know,
I
can
tell
you
that
you
know
I've
had
a
I've
had
a
success
rate
in
in
finding
those
who
have
gone
missing,
at
least
on
my
watch,
but
I
can
tell
you
that's
not
always
always
the
case
and
not
every
not.
B
D
Racism,
maybe
if
I,
could
just
sort
of
clarify
that
a
little
bit
yeah.
What
are
the
are
there?
Any
potential
costs
who
manages?
How
do
you?
How
do
you
I'm
trying
to
search
your
scientists?
You
could
be
talking
about
social
media.
You
could
be
talking
about
a
phones,
you
could
be
talking
about
TV
and
radio.
You
know
it
can
be
a
complex
thing
to
look
at
and
so
yeah
I
look
forward
to
your
answer.
K
Madam,
chair
Stephen,
Lacroix,
managing
director
of
the
Alberta
Emergency
Management
agency,
the
I
I,
talked
earlier
about
the
migration
to
the
National
alerting
system.
So
if
we
move
back
in
time
before
March
1st
the
technical
costs,
if
you
will
the
system
cost
us
approximately
a
hundred
and
eighty
thousand
dollars
and
there's
another
fifty
thousand
dollars
approximately
related
to
the
the
application
that
we
have
as
well.
K
So
two
two
things
when
we
migrated
to
that
federal
system
that
cost
went
to
zero,
except
for
the
alert
so
the
alerting
tool.
So
the
app.
K
So
we
have
the
app
we're
still
paying
for
that,
because
the
the
federal
government
doesn't
have
anything
like
this,
but
the
tool,
the
intrusive
alert
tool,
if
you
will
that
you
will
find
on
your
phone
so
on
TV
social
media
and
the
like
is-
is
provided
for
now,
free
of
charge
by
the
federal
government
through
a
vendor
again
palmorex
also
responsible
for
the
Weather
Channel
or
The
Weather
Network.
K
Sorry
weather
channel
is
in
the
US
and
there
will
probably
eventually
be
a
cost
share
model
applied
to
the
Federation
to
to
make
this
happen.
But
right
now
it's
free
of
charge.
I
make
abstraction
of
the
people
that
actually
work
on
the
system
for
us
in
Alberta.
It's
a
small
team
that
does
many
other
other
things
to
so
to
cost
share.
That
would
be
extremely
difficult.
The
other
consideration
in
all
of
this
is
that
in
Alberta
there's
over
800
authorized
users.
K
They
go
from
police
forces,
municipalities
and,
and
the
like
that,
play
in
that
sphere.
Again,
what
are
the
costs
associated
with?
That
would
require
a
an
inordinate
amount
of
data.
Mining
I
would
argue
in
terms
of
silver
alerts.
I
I
go
back
to
what
I
mentioned
before,
like
I.
Don't
make
policy
I
implement
it.
I
would
provide.
K
Probably,
though
the
the
following
advice,
those
intrusive
alerts,
you
know,
if
I,
if
I
look
at
our
email
inbox,
generate
a
fair
amount
of
angst
amongst
certain
individuals
and
over
alerting
might
create
and
I'll
leave
that
decision
up
to
you
a
bit
of
alert
fatigue
if
we
don't
frame
it
appropriately.
K
So
there's
two
jurisdictions
in
Canada
that
are
currently
launching
Silver,
Alert,
Pilots
I
guess
is
the
word.
I
would
use
Quebec
Ontario
I
know
that
British
Columbia
is
also
looking
at
it
and
they're
spending
a
large
amount
of
time
on
the
criteria
used
to
trigger
a
silver
alert
and
those
could
be
geolocated
just
to
be
to
be
specific.
So
each
time
somebody
goes
missing,
it
doesn't
generate
a
an
alert
across
the
province,
but
you
know
they're.
K
Looking
at
things
like
does
the
individual
meet
the
definition
of
a
missing
person
and
I
would
like
my
colleague,
Marlene
Marlin,
expand
on
that?
If
you
have
any
questions,
does
the
individual
have
a
diagnosis
of
a
cognitive
disorder
or
some
of
some
sort?
Is
there
an
imminent
threat
to
the
life
of
that
individual?
Do
we
have
enough
information
that
available
to
us
like
the
context,
the
mode
of
transportation,
maybe
their
identity?
What
they
look
like
that,
if
we
were
to
trigger
that
alert,
would
maybe
deliver
a
positive
outcome
in
finding
that
person.
K
So
all
this
is
in
play
and
I'm
happy
to
to
take
any
further
questions
on
that
particular
topic.
Thank
you.
D
I
want
to
refer
to
key
objective.
1.4
mentions
the
government
with
Will
further
examine
a
Provincial
Police
Force.
When
I
talk
to
the
people
in
my
constituency,
I've
got
Municipal
counselors
on
both
sides
of
the
issue.
I've
got
some
former
RCMP
officers
that
are
in
favor
of
it.
Some
of
the
former
RCMP
officers
that
are
against
it.
I
know
that
I
have
been
sort
of
tossing
it
back
and
forth
in
my
mind.
B
B
Service
in
talking
to
the
mayor,
some
of
the
things
that
they
noted
was
that
they
would
have
more
oversight
that
there
was
going
to
be
more
accountability
and
when
the,
when
the
dust
settles
and
there's
a
full
implementation
of
a
Municipal,
Police
Service
in
the
Grand
Prairie
area,
they'd
actually
be
saving
money
is
what
they
told
me
through
their
independent
report.
B
So,
and
let
me
just
say
this,
having
your
own
police
commission
obviously
allows
that
oversight
to
assist
in
making
sure
that
the
needs
of
the
community
is
met
right
and
so
with
all
of
those
factors
in
place.
That
was
the
decision
that
was
been
made
again.
I
have
no
interest
in
no
interest
in
imposing
anything
on
on
anybody.
B
Despite
what
some
people
might
say,
I've
actually
had
some
communities
indicate
to
me
that
they
want
an
Alberta
Police
Service.
So
you
know
we
have
to
respect
everybody's
opinions
on
this
and
I've.
Had
some
communities
indicate
that
they're
not
interested
and
and
that's
fine,
and
so
that's
why
we
created
this
fund
to
empower
the
municipality.
You,
let
me
know
what
you
want
here
is
a
grant.
You
do
your
own
independent
study
and,
if
it
determines
that
you're
satisfied
with
your
needs
or
the
current
service
provider
that
you
have
is
providing
and
meeting
your
needs.
D
B
Yeah
the
call
band
we've
had
five
indigenous
organizations
that
our
our
community
should
I
say
that
have
indicated
that
they
would
like
to
look
at
something
different.
B
It
is
no
secret
that
sikhika
is
well
underway
into
establishing
their
own
Police
Service
for
the
first.
This
is
gonna,
be
the
first
time
I
think
in
14
years
that
a
new
indigenous
Police
Service
is
going
to
be
established
again,
while
I
was
in
Ottawa.
H
My
question
is
about
line
item
2.4,
2.8,
3.2
and
3.3
with
respect
to
increases
in
that
those
line
item,
and
meanwhile
you
sort
that
out.
The
question
I
have
for
minister
is
that
we
continue
to
see
in
business
communities
or
represented
in
our
criminal
justice
system.
Is
there
anything
you
are
doing
specifically
to
address
that
whole
representation
yeah.
B
H
B
Don't
realize
so,
there
is
no
representation
of
our
friends
in
the
Indigenous
community
and
and
that's
why
that's
why
we
embarked
on
the
recovery.
Oriented
system
of
care
is
to
do
something
different
right.
B
There
are
many
times
a
contributing
factor
as
to
why
somebody
gets
involved
in
the
justice
system,
so
understanding
that
we're
trying
to
do
education,
we're
trying
to
do
prevention,
we're
trying
to
do
intervention
and
we're
trying
to
help
people
who
have
severe
addiction
issues,
and
that
is
why-
and
you
talked
about
this
member
with
the
the
therapeutic
living
units
right,
so
the
therapeutic
living
units
for
people
that
are
in
currently
in
the
system,
so
I'm
not
talking
about
the
ones
that
you
know
are
in
the
process,
but
actually
in
the
system
that
they
actually
have
a
place
so
that
they
can
get
well
when
they
exit
the
system.
B
They're
they're
actually
dealing
with
their
addiction.
And
let
me
just
further
add
to
our
friends
that
are
in
the
the
kind
of
the
blood
Reserve
as
an
example
right.
You
know
that
Community
has
been
very
clear,
that
they
want
to
provide
healing
for
their
communities
and
that's
why
this
government,
under
the
previous
portfolios
I,
was
involved
in
we
embarked
in
a
a
30
million
dollar
facility
recovery
facility
to
be
be
put
on
the
reserve
there's.
B
No,
there
was
never
a
you
know,
it's
a
it's,
a
federal
government's
problem
or
any
other
community's
problem.
It's
it's
saying
you
know
we're
all
albertans
here
your
community
is
suffering
through
overdoses,
significant
overdoses,
I
would
say
disproportionate
in
the
community.
You
talked
about
the
justice
system.
Many
people
were
getting
involved
in
the
justice
system.
So
what
is
the
answer
to
this
again
very
complex,
no
single
Silver
Bullet
solution,
but
they
asked
us
for
for
a
healing
facility
and
that's
what
that's?
B
What
we're
delivering
there
so
again
very
complex
question
that
you
that
you
asked.
But
what
are
we
doing
we're
trying
to
ensure
that
people
get
healing
for
their
addiction
so
that
they
do
not
get
involved
in
the
justice
system?
And
if
they
are
involved
in
the
justice
system,
we
make
sure
that
they
get
healing
and
treatment
so
that
the
exit
justice
system
in
a
better
place
good.
Thank.
C
B
Sure
so
so,
from
2023
budget
forecast,
15.1
million
increased
due
to
13
13.7
million
to
staff
the
Alberta
police
review
commission,
along
with
creating
a
dedicated
implementation
team
tasked
with
planning
and
designing
the
commission
and
the
startup
costs,
such
as
offices
Furniture,
it
equipment
and
1.4
million
for
the
drug
impaired,
driving
and
Federal
Federal
funded
agreement.
Look
I
mean
the
that
that
police
review
commission,
which
was
you
know,
obviously
passenger
Bill
six
I,
mean
there's
a
startup
cost
to
that.
That's
just
the
reality.
B
B
Commitment
announced
in
2019
and
5.2
million
for
additional
grant
funding
to
alert
in
support
of
new
Firearms
unit,
which
I
discussed
earlier
and
to
cover
the
additional
costs
of
RCMP
non-commissioned
officers
seconded
to
alert
due
to
salary
increase
awarded
in
a
recent
settlement
and
then
I'll
give
you
your
3.2.
If
you
don't
mind,
you're.
Okay
with
that
yeah.
B
Thank
you,
2020
223
budget,
31.4
million
increase
in
funding
is
primarily
due
to
22.5
million
increase
in
the
swb
18
million
for
the
staffing
pressures
that
include
medical
escorts
and
hospital
duty,
remand,
correctional
centers,
1.7
million
for
youth
Justice
program,
a
funding
increase
from
the
federal
government
for
the
Youth
Justice
Services
and
programs,
2.0
2.8
million
for
a
budget
transfer
for
mental
health
and
addictions
to
Public
Safety
and
emergency
services
for
the
therapeutic
living
units
that
I
was
talking
about.
B
There
are
8.9
million
to
increase
in
supplies
and
services,
8.1
million
mainly
for
increased
costs
of
goods
and
services
that
include
Food,
Services
food
service
contracts,
Center
equipment
and
services
and
supplies
for
inmates.
0.8
million
for
the
Youth
Justice
program
fund
increase
from
the
federal
government
for
youth,
Justice,
Services
programs.
I.
Think
you
have
one
more
sir.
H
H
employees
to
Public
Service,
public
safety
and
emergency
so
where
they
will
be
allocated
and
what's
the
breakdown
in
one
final
request,
that
one
block
of
question
went
for
VPN
answer,
so
no,
if
you
would
kindly
ensure
the
date
to
provide
those
answers,
that'd
be
great
sure.
Thank
you
for
sure.
Well,.
H
K
Absolutely
Madam
chair
Steve
o'clock,
Alberta
Emergency
Management
agency.
The
contingency
fund
for
disasters
is
actually
held
by
treasure
board
in
finance
to
the
tune
of
1.5
billion
dollars.
So
we
drop
on
that
once
we
we
ask
for
a.
B
Disaster,
thank
you
very
much
thanks.
So
for
so
we
talked
about
the
ftes
I
think
you
were
talking
about
that
right.
So
six
ftes
for
the
creation
of
The
Minister's
office
in
the
public,
Security
emergency
services,
165
ftes
for
the
implementation
of
several
new
Sheriff's
initiatives
in
public
security
division
120
and
one
ftes
for
the
creation
of
the
Alberta
independent
police
complaints,
oversight
agency,
one
FTE
for
the
creation
of
a
search
and
rescue
team
coordinator
in
public
security
division.
B
Let's
have
enough
to
use
within
the
correctional
services
division
to
provide
Mental,
Health
Training
and
supports
and
critical
incidents.
Stress
Management
Services
46
fdes
for
medical
escort
team
and
Correctional
Facilities
30
ftes
for
electronic
monitoring
system
in
Correctional
Services
Division
to
support
broader
implementation,
electronic
monitoring
options;
nine
ftes
in
Correctional
Services
Division
to
increase
probation
officer
support
within
specialized
courts,
17
ftes
for
the
increase
in
capacity
and
training
in
Correctional
Services
Division,
which
of
course,
support
training,
training
required
for
correctional
services
and
new
Sheriff's
initiatives.
B
C
H
B
Plus
right
so
so,
there's
there's
absolutely
no
service
provider,
I'll,
say
obviously
Calgary
Police
Service,
which
has
already
established
themselves.
There
is
going
to
be
a
a
working
group.
E
E
To
this
world
for
being
with
us
here
this
evening,
to
answer
some
questions
about
about
your
budget,
about
your
priorities
and
and
inevitably
the
priorities
of
of
albertans
so
I
know,
there
has
been
a
bit
of
discussion
tonight
around
the
federal
government.
Obviously,
around
policing
I
know
that
a
comment
earlier
was
around.
E
You
know
sometimes
police
not
respond,
recall
or
take,
or
take
it's
inevitable,
that
we've
heard
those
stories
in
rural
Alberta,
something
else
that
we've
heard
in
my
communities
and
if
you'll
allow
just
like
to
share
a
few
stories
that
are
inevitably
putting
Public
Safety
at
risk
in
my
community
just
a
just
a
few
short
months
ago,
a
fellow
was
arrested.
E
E
Thankfully,
this
week
there's
some
good
news:
the
man
in
in
my
community
he
was
actually
visiting
from
Calgary
but
with
36
outstanding
words,
the
good
news
being
that
when
our
Police
Service
arrested
him,
he
was
actually
reminded
to
custody.
So
maybe
this
is
an
isolated
incident
or
maybe
turning
in
the
right
direction.
E
Inevitably,
I
I
do
talk
openly
with
police
officers
and
and
with
leadership
in
my
communities
and
they're
feeling.
You
know
that
they're
putting
so
much
effort
into
doing
their
jobs
and
yet.
E
The
same
six
or
seven,
eight
or
ten
offenders,
prolific
offenders
in
in
our
communities
are
using
up
80
to
90
percent
of
the
policing,
resources
and
and
I
think
that
that's
something
that
we'll
hear
in
a
lot
of
our
rural
communities.
Now,
coincidentally,
my
communities
like
my
my
rioting-
is
four
and
a
half
hours
across
from
one
end
to
the
other
and
and
the
police
detachments
will
often
represent
an
area
that
is.
E
Of
their
service
area-
and
they
get
a
call
to
another
end
and
yes,
it
will,
it
will
take
a
substantial
amount.
No
with
with
all
that
said,
one
thing
that
I
noted
in
in
your
budget:
it's
actually
on
page
175.
E
B
I'm
sure
somebody
will
provide
me
some
some
further
notes
on
that.
But
I
will
I'll
just
sit
and
sit
there
and
say
that
our
folks
in
the
correctional
facilities
are
under
enormous
pressure.
B
B
Same
people
on
a
daily
basis
and
the
routine
to
be
quite
quite
challenging,
we'll
say
for
for
some
of
our
our
folks
that
work
there
just
to
thank
you
to
my
staff
here
for
providing
me
an
answer
here
for
the
the
more
specific
part
of
the
question
you
asked
me
so
31.4
million
increase
in
funding,
primarily
due
to
22.5
million
increase
in
the
swb,
so
18
million
for
stats,
open,
Staffing
pressures
right
and
and
when
I
talked
about
challenges.
B
I'm
talking
about
the
fact
that
there's
a
lot
of
folks
that
because
of
those
challenges,
go
on
stress,
leave
right
and
that
all
that
does
is
put
more
pressure
on
the
system.
It
causes
more
overtime,
it
causes,
you
know,
even
more
pressure
on
the
system
and
then
medical
escorts.
That's
another
thing
that
usually
takes
I
think
a
couple
of
officers
in
order
to
do
those
medical
escorts
and
that
can
take.
You
know
that
could
take
a
long
time
right
by
the
time
you
make
it
to
drive
to
the
hospital
get
through.
B
You
know
get
through
usually
the
emergency
area
and
then,
obviously,
when
the
person
is,
maybe
the
person
has
to
stay
in
the
hospital
or
maybe
the
person
has
been
released.
But
again
this
is
all
human
being
s
that
have
to
provide
these
services,
so
that
can
take
an
extended
period
of
time
as
well
in
the
correction,
so
1.7
million
to
for
the
Youth
Justice
program,
yeah
I
mean
the
look,
there's
a
there's,
a
lot
of
great
work
that
is
put
on
in
the
youth
Justice
program.
B
Let
me
just
say
say
this:
I
mean
the
the
youth
criminal
justice
Act
is
is
actually
written
in
a
way
that
you
know
we
do
not
actually
detain
children
unless
they're,
of
course,
they're
extremely
actions
and
circumstances
again.
You've
heard
me
talk
about
you
know
the
administration
of
justice
falling
in
a
disrepute.
B
So
again,
there's
a
lot
of
context
surrounding
that,
a
lot
of
subjectivity
by
the
justice
of
the
peace
or
the
judge,
for
instance,
but
you
know
the
youth
criminal
pardon
me
they,
the
youth,
Justice
programs,
you
know,
provide
you
know
great,
you
know,
mentorship
great
accountability,
know.
I
do
specifically
know
an
officer
that
that
is
provides,
provides
support
in
a
volunteer
capacity
for
the
Youth
Justice
program
and
the
remarkable
work
that
he
has
done
for
the
for
the
kids
to
to
help
turn
those
lives
around
for
those
children.
B
So
that's
an
important
program
as
well:
2.8
million
for
a
budget
transfer
for
mental
health
and
addiction,
so
therapeutic
living
communities
and
again
I,
cannot
stress
this
enough.
Those
therapeutic
living
communities,
in
my
opinion,
are
a
game
changer
in
the
past.
What
happens?
Is
the
person
leaves
that
Correctional,
Facility
or
they're
sent
to
the
nearest
LRT
station
and
then
their
bath
back
on
the
recidivism
path?
The
fact
that
somebody
can
actually
get
treatment
for
their
illness
and
exit
the
system
in
a
better
place
from
which
they
started
is
an
absolute
Game.