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B
I'd
like
to
call
the
meeting
to
order
and
welcome
everyone
in
attendance.
The
committee
has
under
consideration
the
estimates
of
the
ministry
of
seniors
community
and
Social
Services
for
the
fiscal
year
ending
March
31st
2024
I'd.
Ask
that
we
go
around
the
table
and
have
members
introduce
themselves
for
the
record
Minister.
Please
introduce
the
officials
who
are
joining
you
at
the
table.
My
name
is
Jackie,
lovely
and
I'm,
the
MLA
for
the
Camrose
constituency
and
the
chair
of
this
committee,
we'll
start
to
my
right.
C
J
B
Good
morning,
Janice
Irwin
Edmonton
Highlands
Norwood
I'd,
like
to
note
the
following
substitution
for
the
record.
The
Honorable
Mr
Hunter
is
substituting
for
Mr
long,
a
few
housekeeping
items
to
dress
before
return
to
the
business
at
hand.
Please
note
that
the
microphones
are
operated
by
Hansard
staff
committee.
Proceedings
are
live
streamed
on
the
internet
and
broadcast
on
Alberta
assembly
TV.
The
audio
and
visual
stream
and
transcripts
of
meetings
can
be
assessed
via
the
Legislative
Assembly
website
members
participating
remotely
if
there
are
any
in
the
future.
B
Here
we
don't
have
the
at
the
moment,
but
they
are
encouraged
to
turn
on
your
camera.
While
speaking
and
mute
your
microphone
when
not
speaking,
remote
participants
who
wish
to
be
placed
on
the
speaker's
list
are
asked
to
email
or
message.
The
committee
Clerk
and
members
in
the
room
should
signal
to
the
chair,
set
your
cell
phones
and
other
devices
to
silent
during
the
duration
of
the
meeting
committee
requested
American
sign
language
interpretation
services
for
this
meeting.
Unfortunately,
this
service
isn't
high
demand
and
we
are
unable
to
secure
interpreters.
B
59.016
establishes
the
speaking
rotation
and
speaking
times
in
brief,
the
minister
or
a
member
of
executive
Council,
acting
on
The
Minister's
behalf
we'll
have
10
minutes
to
address
the
committee
at
the
conclusion
of
The
Minister's
comments.
A
60-minute
speaking
block
for
the
official
opposition
begins,
followed
by
a
20-minute
speaking
block
for
independent
members.
If
any
and
then
20-minute
speaking
block
for
the
government
caucus
individuals
may
only
speak
for
up
to
10
minutes
at
a
time,
but
speaking
times
may
be
combined
between
the
member
and
the
minister
after
the
speaking
time.
B
If
you
have
any
questions
regarding
speaking
times
or
the
rotation,
please
send
a
message
or
email
to
the
committee
clerk
about
the
process
with
the
concurrence
of
the
committee.
I
will
call
a
five-minute
break
near
the
midpoint
of
the
meeting.
However,
the
three-hour
clock
will
continue
to
run.
Does
anyone
object
to
having
a
break
today?
B
No
okay,
so
we
will
have
one
Ministry
officials
may
be
president
and
at
the
direction
of
the
minister
May
address
the
committee
Ministry
officials
seated
in
the
gallery,
if
called
upon,
have
access
to
a
microphone
in
the
gallery
area
and
are
asked
to
please
introduce
themselves
for
the
record
prior
to
commencing
pages,
are
available
to
deliver
notes
or
other
materials
between
the
gallery
and
the
table.
Attendees
in
the
gallery
may
not
approach
the
table.
B
Space
permitting
opposition
caucus
staff
may
sit
at
the
table
to
assist
their
members.
However,
members
have
priority
to
sit
at
the
table.
At
all
times,
debate
is
exhausted
prior
to
three
hours.
The
ministry's
estimates
are
deemed
to
have
been
considered
for
the
time
allotted
in
the
schedule,
and
the
committee
will
adjourn.
Points
of
order
will
be
dealt
with
as
they
arise
in
individual
speaking
times
will
be
paused.
B
However,
the
speaking
block
time
and
overall
three-hour
meeting
clock
will
continue
to
run
any
written
material
provided
in
response
to
questions
raised
during
the
main
estimates
should
be
tailored
by
the
minister
in
the
assembly
for
the
benefit
of
all
members.
The
vote
on
the
estimates
and
amendments
will
occur
in
the
committee
of
Supply
on
March
16
2023
amendments
must
be
in
writing
and
approved
by
parliamentary
Council
prior
to
the
meeting,
at
which
time
they
are
to
be
moved.
The
original
amendment
is
to
be
deposited
with
the
committee
clerk
with
20
hard
copies.
B
An
electronic
version
of
the
signed
original
should
be
provided
to
the
committee
clerk
for
distribution
to
committee
members.
Finally,
the
committee
should
have
the
opportunity
to
hear
both
questions
and
answers
without
interruptions
during
estimates.
Debate,
debate
flows
through
the
chair
please
at
all
times,
including
is
instances
when
speaking
time
is
shared
between
a
member
and
administer
I,
now
invite
the
minister
of
seniors
community
and
Social
Services.
To
begin
with
your
opening
remarks,
you
have
10
minutes
missed.
I
I
As
you
all
heard,
on
February
28th
budget
2023
is
about
securing
Alberta's
future
and
making
life
more
affordable
for
albertans
Alberta's
economy
has
momentum,
and
our
finances
have
recovered.
Budget
2023
will
build
on
this
momentum
and
will
focus
on
even
more
job
creation
and
diversification.
As
we
continue
to
be
the
economic
engine
of
Canada.
We
are
securing
Alberta's
future
by
remaining
steadfast
committed
to
responsible
fiscal
management
to
paying
down
the
debt
and
saving
for
tomorrow.
I
While
making
Sound
Investment
decisions
to
sustain
the
vital
Public,
Services
albertans
need
and
deserve
for
men
for
my
department,
we
are
doing
this
by
making
sure
vulnerable
burdens
and
seniors
continue
to
have
access
to
the
programs
and
services
that
they
need,
with
targeted
increases
to
fund
sustainable
case
law,
growth
indexation
and
financial
benefits.
Wage
increases
for
Frontline
workers
and
relief
payments
for
albertans,
struggling
with
affordability
with
budget
2023.
I
We
are
fully
funding
H
income
support
and
Alberta
Senior
Benefits,
including
a
six
percent
increase
to
address
inflation
and
investment,
to
streamline
Service
delivery,
increasing
access
to
disability
services,
with
funding
for
Frontline
workers,
worker
wages,
service
providers
and
address
the
persons
with
developmental
disabilities.
Waitlist.
I
I
Through
this
budget,
we
are
providing
305
million
over
three
years
to
increase
the
wages
of
more
than
twenty
thousand
critical
Frontline
disability,
homeless
and
domestic
violence
prevention
workers.
These
workers
support
thousands
of
vulnerable
albertans
every
day
in
our
communities.
They
are
dedicated
to
supporting
those
into
those
in
need
in
our
province.
They
deserve
Fair
compensation
for
the
work
that
they
do.
At
the
same
time,
we
will
also
help
operators
address
the
rising
Administration
and
operational
costs
that
they
are
observing
due
to
inflation,
with
25
million
in
funding.
I
I
More
funding
for
better
wages
to
help
with
Rising
costs
will
go
a
long
way
to
improve
Workforce
challenges
and
guarantee
albertans
have
access
to
the
supports
that
they
need.
In
addition,
we
will
address
the
PDD
wait
list.
Budget
2023
include
includes
37.5
million
in
additional
funding
for
caseload
growth
and
to
get
about
500
individuals
on
the
wait
list
connected
to
services.
I
This
will
take
time
as
we
work
with
service
providers
to
build
capacity
to
take
in
more
clients,
but
I
am
confident
that,
with
the
changes
we
have
made
internally
to
improve
the
program
and
with
the
increased
financial
support,
we
will
be
able
to
help
more
albertans
in
need,
and
the
program
will
continue
to
be
a
lifetime
support
for
thousands
of
adult
albertans
with
disabilities
for
years
to
come.
We
will
also
continue
to
support
children
with
disabilities
through
family
support
for
children
with
disabilities
program.
I
In
fact,
budget
2023
increases
funding
for
the
program
by
30.1
million
dollars.
This
funding
will
support
about
16,
000
albertans
and
their
families
ensuring
their
continued
health
and
well-being.
I
know
how
important
our
disability
programs
are
to
vulnerable
albertans
and
their
families,
and
we
will
continue
to
work
with
the
disability
Community
to
make
sure
that
we
are
providing
appropriate
supports.
I
Budget
2023
provides
further
stability
with
compassionate
and
generous
funding
supports
for
families
seniors
and
our
most
vulnerable.
This
includes
173
million
to
index
Financial
benefits
this
year
and
going
forward
for
age,
income
support
and
Alberta
Senior
Benefits.
Additionally,
the
budget
includes
276
million
for
affordability
and
inflation
relief
program,
providing
payments
for
remaining
three
months
of
this
program.
I
We
all
know
albertans
are
struggling
with
affordability
and
we
want
to
help
that's
why
we're
investing
10
million
dollars
to
support
food
banks
and
food
Security
Programs
across
this
province.
These
organizations
are
the
front
lines
feeding
albertans,
and
this
support
is
much
needed.
We
continue
to
build
on
our
Partnerships
with
those
organizations
to
make
sure
that
albertans
do
not
go
hungry
Additionally.
The
budget
includes
16
million
dollars
for
low-income
transit
pass
program
to
help
albertans.
I
This
includes
nine
million
dollars
to
extend
the
Calgary
and
Edmonton
low-income
transit
pass
pilot
for
an
additional
year
and
seven
million
dollars
to
support
low-income
transit
pass
programs
in
more
communities
across
this
province.
Together,
these
measures
are
making
a
big
difference.
Ultimately,
these
initiatives
are
reducing
costs
and
making
life
more
affordable
for
vulnerable
albertans.
I
As
I
mentioned
earlier,
budget
2023
will
focus
on
even
more
job
creation
and
employment.
Due
to
the
success
of
the
Alberta
at
work
initiative,
Alberta's
unemployment
rate
has
decreased
for
more
than
15
percent
in
May
of
2020
to
6
percent.
Just
this
past
January
2023
in
budget
2023,
we
are
investing
nearly
96
million
dollars
in
career
and
employment
services
spending
insurers,
albertans
for
looking
for
work,
have
access
to
the
resources
and
the
tools
that
they
need
to
be
able
to
gain
the
skills
and
rejoin
the
workforce.
I
This
year
we
are
aiming
for
a
65
percent
of
albertans
using
Employment
Services
to
gain
independence
and
stability
through
budget
2023
secures
the
future
of
Alberta,
and
that
includes
the
most
vulnerable
albertans
struggling
with
homelessness.
I
know
firsthand
the
difficult
and
complex
nature
of
this
issue.
In
fact,
budget
2023
and
key
increases
annual
funding
and
support
for
homeless
shelters
to
83.5
million
dollars.
That
is
an
increase
of
70
percent
from
last
year's
budget.
I
We
have
also
extended
the
number
of
Shelter
spaces
for
the
winter
months
in
communities
where
there
is
urgent
need
and
are
piloting
a
service
Hub
model
in
Calgary
and
Edmonton.
This
model
focuses
on
meeting
the
clients
where
they
are
at
and
linking
them
to
sports,
like
housing.
Health
financial
and
Social
Services
to
help
end
the
cycle
of
homelessness.
This
is
a
dynamic
file
and
we
are
working
on
many
fronts
to
make
positive
outcomes
for
those
that
need
it
in
our
communities.
I
Through
Capital
plan
2023,
we
are
investing
over
468
million
in
Alberta
social
housing
Corporation
over
three
years
to
provide
6,
900
new
and
regenerated,
affordable
housing
units
and
support,
3,
300
jobs,
and
we
are
investing
94
million
over
three
years
to
maintain
and
repair
a
government-owned
and
supported
housing
units
across
this
province.
We
also
invest
53.7
million
over
three
years
into
indigenous
housing
Capital
program
to
build
new
housing
for
indigenous
communities.
I
This
is
an
increase
of
16.8
million
from
budget
2022..
These
Investments
are
clear
indicator
of
our
commitment
to
take
action
and
provide
more
affordable
and
accessible
housing
options
for
albertans
with
low
incomes.
So
much
of
the
work
my
Ministry
does
depends
on
the
strong
partnership
with
communities
and
with
civil
society.
Civil
Society
plays
a
critical
role
role
in
the
well-being
of
albertans
and
Alberta's
economy.
I
Budget
2023
also
extends
funding
for
civil
society
fund
by
investing
in
additional
three
million
dollars
per
year
over
the
next
three
years.
The
investment
we
have
made
through
this
fund
will
help
kick-start
the
economy,
social
recovery
and
supports
for
vulnerable
albertans,
and
we
are
proud
to
be
continued
to
build
on
the
success
of
the
fund
to
fuel
the
important
work
that
Civil
Society
is
taking
in
our
communities.
I
B
J
You,
madam
chair,
just
before
we
get
begin
I,
just
want
to
acknowledge
that
we
are
gathered
here
today
on
treaty
six
territory,
home
homeland
of
the
needy,
people,
compare
respect
to
the
ancestors
of
this
place
and
reaffirm
our
relationship
with
one
another
and
to
each
of
us
working
towards
Truth
and
Reconciliation.
J
Okay,
so
I'm
going
to
start
with
some
questions
around
line
5.3
in
the
budget
or
in
government
estimates
women's
shelters.
So
these
questions
are
based
on
on
the
line.
So
the
minister
said
in
his
opening
remarks
that
there
is
an
increase
to
women's
shelters,
which
is
true.
Actually
there
is
about
a
four
million
dollar
increase,
but
how
much
of
that
increase
of
this
four
million
dollars
was
needed
to
cover
operations
for
the
new
shelter.
J
I
A
good
chunk
of
the
additional
money
is
is
designed
for
increasing
capacity
over
the
last
six
months.
I've
spent
a
lot
of
time,
traveling
the
province
meeting
with
women's
shelter
providers,
and
there
is
discussion
about
increasing
capacity.
So
that's
what
we're
doing
here
for
sure.
L
I
Includes
Jesse
house
I,
don't
believe
that
includes
Roots
outside.
J
I
That
give
me
one
second
Saint
Paul
and
District
crisis,
Association
and
Strathcona
shelter,
Society.
J
J
So
women's
shelters
and
I
knew
this
because
actually,
two
days
after
the
budget
was
dropped,
the
shelters
received
their
contracts
and
there
was
no
increases
for
anything.
So
I
think
that
it's
important
when
you
know
when
we're
making
statements
like
we
increased
funding
to
women's
shelter.
Technically,
that
is
correct.
There's
four
million
dollars
extra,
but
none
of
that
is
going
to
the
existing
programming,
so
you're
right,
you're,
just
extending
capacity.
J
and
for
some
reason,
in
the
announcement
or
in
this
increase,
Minister
chose
just
to
exclude
this
tiny
little
portion
of
the
Human
Service
Workforce
really,
and
so,
if
you
think,
I
asked
a
couple
of
different
people
to
try
to
get
a
size
of
the
workforce
and
it's
about
a
thousand
people
big.
So
it's
not
very
big.
It's
not
like
disability
sector.
That
is
quite
large.
This
is
this
is
not
very
big,
and
it's
not
that
many
workers,
but
I,
don't
understand
how
this
ministry
coming
out
of
covid.
J
We
know
that
there
was
this
Shadow
pandemic.
We
know
I'm
sure
you
know
Minister,
that
the
work
that
shelter
workers
do
it
is
incredibly
stressful
if
you've
ever
spent
time
in
a
shelter
working
it's
in
a
women's
shelter.
It
is
incredibly
difficult,
but
yet
you
chose
not
to
increase
this
group's
wages
and
I'd
just
like
to
know
why.
I
Yeah
I
appreciate
the
question
and
look
I
appreciate
the
advocacy
as
well.
I
I
do
fully
know
full
well
the
importance
of
women's
shelter
and
and
the
great
work
that
they
do
there
and
that
it
comes.
You
know
when
you're
dealing
with
crisis
daily,
it
comes
with
challenges,
so
recommend
anybody
that
works
in
a
women's
shelter
and
have
friends
that
do
the
former
colleagues
that
do.
I
We
have
spent
a
lot
of
time,
traveling
the
province
meeting
with
women's
shelter
providers,
the
biggest
ask
that
I've
been
getting
as
I've
been
touring
with
women's
shelter
providers
is
more
for
more
housing
and
budget.
2023
2024
is
a
commitment
to
building
more
housing
when
it
comes
specifically
to
the
the
wage
question.
My
mandate
letter
was
to
address
social
sector
wage
disparity.
We
did
an
analysis
back
in
November.
I
Cross-Sector
analysis
found
that
shelter
workers
were
making
18
70
an
hour
on
average
for
giving
don't
quote
me
on
the
exactus
up
top
of
my
head,
but
disability
works
on
average
were
making
about
20,
but
in
some
communities
as
low
as
15.,
these
folks
were
competing
with
Starbucks
for
employees
and
then
sorry,
just
one
one
clarification
because
I
want
to
answer
a
question.
When
we
were
looking
at
women's
shelters,
they
were
making
about
26,
which
was
significantly
higher
than
Children's
Services
in
many
other
areas.
I
So
my
my
task
was
to
deal
with
the
wage
disparity
which
we
did
by
giving
shelter
workers
and
PDD
workers
a
bump.
If
we
had
given
women's
shelters
work
a
bump,
it
would
have
created
more
of
a
disparity
than
we
had
before
so
now.
What
we
need
to
do
as
we
move
forward,
is
we
need
to
work
across
Ministries
to
make
sure
that
we
have
cohesion,
as
we
move
forward
to
make
sure
that
these
valuable
workers
are
getting
competent.
I
J
Is
there
are
no
disability
positions
other
than
a
sleep
shift
that
are
paid
at
minimum
wage
and
that
I
know?
Is
that
so
that's
incorrect,
so
one
of
the
things
I
think
it's
unfair
to
to
compare
a
disability
worker
or
a
homeless,
shelter
worker
and
a
women's
shelter
and
say
well.
These
guys
already
make
a
little
bit
more,
so
we're
not
going
to
give
them
anything
they
have
struggled.
We
know
that
I
think
about
over
96
percent
of
shelter.
Workers
are
women.
J
Many
of
them
have
to
work
two
jobs
to
support
themselves
and
their
families
much
like
disability
workers,
and
this
isn't
about
pitting
one
sector
against
about
an
against
another.
We
know
we
all
knew.
We
all
said
it
I'm
sure
in
the
chamber,
during
covid
that
there
was
a
shadow
pandemic.
Things
were
worse
crisis
everywhere
very
difficult
work
and
to
purposely
leave
this
group
out.
You
know
I
I
think
is
a
disservice.
They're
already
dealing
with
extraordinary
turnover
and
I'm
sure
you
know,
the
cost
of
turnover
is
very
high.
J
All
the
training,
the
lost
time,
the
coverage,
it's
very
difficult
and
in
fact
the
one
stat
that
I
heard
from
from
the
shelter
sector
was
that
only
about
was
it
2.
Their
workers
have
been
there
for
two
years.
So
that's
really
tough
when
you
don't
have
stable
senior
staff.
So
again,
I'm
just
I'm
incredibly
disappointed
that
this
group,
this
really
small
group.
So
it's
not
a
big
Financial
commitment,
but
small
group
was
left
out
so
I
have
a
question.
Are
there
in
the
last?
J
In
the
last
annual
report,
it
listed
a
total
of
52
shelters
in
Alberta,
so
there
was
women
second
stage
elder
abuse
fee
for
service
Reserve
shelter.
So
what
is
the
total
number
being
used
to
support
this
budget
and
the
more
important
question
in
the
shelter
line
specifically
so
that
is
5.3?
Are
there
any
other
supports
in
here
other
than
women's
shelters?
So
are
you
funding?
Is
this
line
funding
any
other
programming
other
than
women's
shelters?.
I
J
J
So,
according
to
the
annual
report,
20
20
21,
that's
the
most
recent
one
that
we
have.
There
are
five
fee
for
service
Reserve
shelters
who
have
also
had
their
per
diems
Frozen
for
some
time.
Do
you
know
how
long
they've
been
frozen.
I
No
off
top
my
head,
I,
don't
Deputy.
Do
you
have
to
answer
that
question?
We
can
table
that
print.
Okay,.
J
That'd
be
great
and
how
much
I
guess
you
might
be
able
to
just
table
this
now,
the
next
question
to
you.
So
how
much
did
the
province
Bill
the
federal
government
in
this
fiscal
and
what
does
it
look
like
for
the
budget
year?
So
the
reason
I'm
asking
is
that
we
know
indigenous
women
are
obviously
are
abused
at
alarming
rates
and
disproportionately
end
up
in
shelters.
J
So
how
much
revenue
has
government
of
Alberta?
This
ministry
brought
into
Revenue
as
a
direct
result
of
the
abuse
of
indigenous
women,
and
where
is
that
being
invested.
J
Another
dessert,
so
in
one
of
the
announcements
we
heard
about
the
the
ministry
is
funding
175,
Family,
Violence
prevention
workers
and
then
you
know,
I
talked
about
the
shelter
sector
that
isn't
very
big.
It's
like
about
a
thousand
people
right,
so
you
can
imagine
out
of
that
thousand
vast
majority
are
working
in
the
shelter
there's
a
little
tiny
piece
that
are
to
do
the
Outreach
work,
so
the
Family
Violence
prevention,
Outreach
I,
don't
know
how
big
it
is,
but
I'm
sure
it's
quite
small.
J
Now
this
increase
that
your
government
announced
was
specifically
for
Family
Violence
prevention
workers,
but
you
excluded
the
Family
Violence
prevention
workers
that
work
out
of
shelters
so
that
are
attached
to
shelters.
I
Again,
we
we,
you
talked
about
women's
shelters,
not
getting
a
bum
since
2016.
the
program
areas
where
we
gave
bumps
that
hadn't
seen
a
bump
since
2014
and
were
were
significantly
behind
averages
for
comparable
sectors.
Other
sectors
we
needed
to
make
sure
that
we
were
bringing
those
up
who
had
their
significantly
lower
wages
than
26
dollars
an
hour
which
26
dollars
for
the
work
that
done.
We
needed
to
get
those
wages
up
to
a
place.
That's
more
comparable.
J
You
so
it's
been
a
while,
since
I've
been
in
the
sector,
so
I
I'm
not
aware
of
the
wages,
would
you
be
able
to
table
what
the
government
sort
of
marks
are?
I
know
that
with
disability
sector
budgets
are
determined
based
on
like
a
staffing
model,
and
then
there
are
amounts
assigned
to
each
position
right.
So
a
team
leader,
a
community
support
worker,
a
vocational
support
worker
same
in
shelter
right.
So
you
have
like
a
team
leader
or
person
doing
maintenance.
You
have
the
Outreach
worker.
J
That
would
be
awesome
so
back
to
my
question,
didn't
get
it
so
why
leave
out
that
little
group
of
Family
Violence
prevention
workers
that
are
attached
to
shelters?
So
what
we
hear?
What
I've
heard
from
shelter
sector
is
that
there
are
cases
where
there's
a
Family,
Violence
prevention
worker
attached
to
a
shelter,
maybe
working
with
someone,
and
this
isn't
real
I'm
just
making
an
example.
J
I
I
appreciate
the
question
I
think
what's
important
here
and
the
the
goal
has
been
to
deal
with
the
wage
disparity
within
the
social
sector
and
and
making
sure
that
people
who
comparable
work
are
getting
comparable
pay,
and
so
that
is
the
effort.
If
we've
missed
a
category,
we're
certainly
going
to
look
into
it
and,
as
we
move
forward,
make
sure
that
we're
addressing
that,
if
somebody's
making
an
average
of
19
an
hour
per
se-
and
we
know
that
that
we've
got
comparable
workers
making
22.
we're,
definitely
going
to
look
at
that.
I
J
J
Be
awesome,
yeah
and
a
couple
of
things
you
said
you
mentioned
that
shelter
workers
haven't
had
had
an
increase
to
their
wages
in
2016..
Well,
they
got
an
increase
in
2016,
but
it
wasn't
to
their
wages
right,
so
it
was
for
capacity
and
for
other
positions,
whether
it
was
like
Outreach
or
there
was
actually
a
component
for
child
care,
so
it
wasn't
wages
similar.
J
I
Well,
and
certainly
I
mean
that's.
What
we're
doing
with
women's
shelters
right
now
is
we're
working
towards
increasing
capacity.
What
we've
seen
as
a
need
is
to
bring
more
women
shelters
online.
There's
lots
of
great
people
in
the
community
doing
great
work,
and
we
thought
that
the
government
should
get
behind
that
work,
and
so
that's.
J
What
you're,
seeing
here
in
this
budget
we
should
get
behind
it
and
I
think
it's
awesome
that
disability
workers
and
waitlists
are
getting
money
we'll
get
into
that
later.
I
think
it's!
You
know
anytime.
This
sector
is
getting
any
kind
of
support
and
attention
it's
a
good
day.
So
that's
a
good
thing:
I
have
a
quick
question
on
page
13,
113
of
the
2023
Ministry
business
plan,
I
note
23.3
million
to
support
a
Continuum
of
services
for
albertans
impacted
by
family
and
sexual
violence.
J
Actually
it
might
be,
I
may
have
it
might
be.
Actually
the
fiscal
plan
that
that
is
in
so
a
continuous
services
for
Albert
is
impacted
by
family
and
sexual
violence.
So,
given
that
there
are
already
lines
in
the
ministry
I'm
a
little
bit
confused,
so
are
these
new
funds?
Are
you
just
sort
of
saying
we're
investing
this
much
and
it's
already
in
the
ministry.
J
Missed
yeah,
page
113
of
the
business
plan,
I
think
it
is
yes,
page
113
of
the
business
plan
notes.
So
it's
in
one
of
the
initiatives
supporting
the
key
objective.
So
it
knows
23.3
million
to
support
a
Continuum
of
services
for
albertans
impacted
by
family
and
sexual
violence.
So
is
you're.
Just
announcing
a
line
item.
Is
that
what
this
is.
J
I
I
L
J
And
the
only
reason
I'm
asking
is
I
was
just
going
to
say
if
that
was
the
case,
that
this
was
sort
of
funding,
something
in
the
future
or
something
else
I
was
just
going
to
say
it's.
You
know
it's
really
important
to
bulk
up
the
core
before
expanding
in
the
core
of
this
particular
sector,
isn't
really
in
good
shape,
sure.
I
And
I
appreciate
that
statement
there
I
have
had
the
chance
to
to
visit
a
few
sites
and
talk
to
non-for-profit
leaders
and,
of
course,
I've
been
working
very
closely
with
parliamentary
secretary
Tanya
for
status
of
women,
who's
also
been
working
at
connecting
with
with
agencies
and
we're
trying
to
work
with
them
to
figure
out.
How
do
we
help
support
this?
This
great
work,
that's
being
done
there
for
sure.
J
So
that
is
great.
That's
about
all
I
have
for
for
women's
shelters,
I'm
I'm,
happy
that
you
are
going
to
look
at
this
and
look
and
see
at
least
about
the
Outreach
workers
that
are
not
being
paid
just
like
the
other
Outreach
workers
and
I
think
you
know
even
have
a
look
at
this
sector.
J
I
I
I
think
it
would
have
got
worse
if
we
had
given
a
wage
bump
to
people
who
were
making
eight
dollars
more
an
hour
than
people
who
are
working
in
regular
shelters,
so
that
what
would
have
its
own
challenges
and
I
think
now,
as
we
move
forward,
regardless
of
who's
in
government,
that
we
need
to
work
across
Ministry
and
and
make
sure
that
that
we're
paying
people
equitably
for
the
work
that
they're.
J
J
I
Yeah,
let's
look:
I
I
had
received
and
I'm
sure
you've
received
numerous
correspondence
from
individuals
that
work
in
the
disability
sector
that
were
outlining
what
their
hourly
rate
was
and
and
expressing
that
concern.
I
think
there
was
a
petition
with
fifteen
thousand
names
on
it
at
one
point,
I'm
sure
you
saw
that
as
well,
so
are
they
they
not
being
truthful
with
me
about
what
their
their
rate.
J
I
Well,
I
think
you're,
actually
touching
on
a
large
challenge
as
well.
That
we
have
within
the
sector,
is
disparity
within
even
within
the
disability
sector,
how
we
pay
because
you're
you're
right
you
do
talk
to
people
that
are
getting
on
the
higher
end
of
that
probably
closer
to
women's
shelters,
and
there
are
people
that
were
making
15
an
hour
because
I
talked
to
them.
L
J
Which
is
something
that
people
not
sleeping
like
not
a
sleep
shift
in
the
disability
sector.
There
are
some
not
sleeping.
There
are
some
people
in
disability
sector
that
are
getting
paid
15
an
hour.
J
J
J
Be
lovely
though
we
can
have
some
fun
how
much
time
40
minutes
so
we're
gonna,
move
on
a
little
bit
to
I
had
a
little
sojourn
into
disability
sector,
which
is
always
fun
so
changes
to
this
I
think
it's
really
important
to
talk
about
changes
to
this
ministry
now,
I
think
it's!
It's
also
important
to
know
that
we're
we're
super
close
to
an
election,
we're
like
just
over
two
months
away
from
an
election,
and
so
I
was
a
little
bit
surprised
to
see
the
depth
of
changes
in
the
ministry.
J
Reorganization
that
happens
like
74
days
before
an
election,
and
so
maybe
I'm
cynical.
But
you
know
I
think
why
on
Earth,
would
you
do
this
74
days
before
an
election
anyway?
Let's
talk
about
that,
so
I
want
to
provide
some
context
so,
74
days
before
an
election
you
chose
to
add
more
complex
over
subscribed
and
heavily
subscribed
supports
to
a
Ministry
that
was
already
busy
so
last
year
it
was
already
about
four
billion
dollars
in
spending
which
is
significant
and
now
we're
up
over
5
billion
dollars.
J
A
J
Gone
taken
away
now,
every
time
I
asked
that
budget
estimates
I
always
got
the
same
answer
right.
Oh
attrition!
Well,
okay.
I've
asked
for
details
numerous
times.
So
where
are
these
ftes
going?
Where
were
they
taken
from
and
have
never
received
any
clarity?
Now
the
third
budget
in
2021-22
Cut,
another
21
jobs
and
the
fourth
2022-23
cut
another
102
jobs
for
a
total
of
482
jobs,
so
between
2019
and
2022,
almost
500
ftes
were
removed
from
community
and
Social
Services
now
as
seniors
in
community
Social
Services.
J
Now
all
of
this
happening
in
the
last
year,
or
so,
while
this
government
was
raking
in
billions
billions
and
we
were
still
hiving
off
jobs,
so
on
page
161
of
the
fiscal
plan,
so
that's
scheduled
22
of
the
full-time
equivalence
seniors
community
and
Social
Service
ftes
were
adjusted
from
a
previous
total
of
2
547
ftes
to
3009.
So
that's
an
increase
of
462
jobs.
Now
we
know
that
there
was
a
transfer,
obviously
with
the
reorganization,
that
is
in
the
notes,
but
my
question
is
so
out
of
those
jobs.
J
I
Yeah
so
I
appreciate
your
comments,
especially
I'd,
like
to
address
the
the
bringing
together
of
the
two
Ministries
there's
a
lot
of
synergy
between
seniors
housing
and
then
what
was
community
and
Social,
Services
and
I.
Think
there's
been
a
lot
of
value
in
bringing
together
the
operational
side
of
Housing
and
and
the
capital
side
of
Housing
and
working
collaboratively
together
and
a
lot
of
the
stakeholders
overlap
on
files.
I
So
that's
created
a
lot
of
efficiency,
as
well
as
as
just
a
stronger
ability
for
myself
and
for
the
ministry
to
be
able
to
respond
to
the
needs
that
are
impacting
the
community.
I
think
you
can
see
that
in
in
the
outcomes
that
you're
seeing
before
you,
even
just
in
this
budget,
but
the
number
of
things
that
we've
been
able
to
announce
over
the
last
six
months
has
been
significant
as
well
in
addressing
the
the
big
concerns.
I
Oh
that's.
The
breakdown
yeah
I
appreciate
that
yeah.
Thank
you.
So
I
just
wanted
to
be
able
to
address
that
I
think
there's
been
value
in
bringing
the
ministry
together
and
certainly
we're
up
for
the
task,
and
then
it's
I've
been
able
to
create
efficiencies
as
well
overall
by
bringing
the
ministry
together
as
having
people
that
were
working
on
similar
things
now,
working
in
the
and
together
in
the
same
file,
we're
being
able
to
move
the
needle
forward
within
the
ministry
over
the
last
couple.
J
I
Well,
I
I
serve
on
behalf
of
Premier,
but
certainly
I
thought
always
thought.
It
was
a
good
idea
to
be
able
to
bring
housing
together
with
homelessness,
for
example,
or
housing
together
with
the
disability
sector,
because
there's
a
lot
of
overlap
about
housing
with
seniors
you,
you
know
as
I
do
that
housing
for
seniors
is
a
major
issue
and
housing.
We
were
already
talking
about
housing
with
domestic
violence
and
being
able
to
work
collaboratively
again
between
the
capital
and
the
operating
scientists
has
added
some
significant
values.
I
So
you
know
I'd
love
to
take
credit,
but
but
certainly
that
came
from
the
premier's
office.
In
regards
to
your
specific
question,
budget
2023
provides
4
million
in
total
to
address
funding
for
the
workload
assessment
model
for
Asian
Disability
Services.
You
say:
2.5
million
for
the
Services
1.1
million
for
age
and
0.5
million.
I
A
I
Disability
services,
roughly
10
for
age,
at
five
for
the
office
of
the
public
guardian
and
trustee.
J
Sort
of
that
there
are
enough
staff,
yes,.
I
So
there's
been
an
incredible
amount
of
work
done
over
the
last
three
years
too,
and
create
create
efficiencies
and
improve
overall
processes
within
the
ministry
and
I.
Think
again,
the
Department's
done
remarkable
job
and
in
improving
and
streamlining
this
and
again
there's
efficiencies
that
have
been
created
by
bringing
the
two
Ministries
together
and
so
I.
Think.
With
this
budget,
we
will
have
the
Staffing
levels
that
we
need
to
continue
to
provide
the
the
Excellence
and
support
for
albertans.
J
Now,
I,
you
know
I
actually
agree
with
you.
You
know
some
of
your
comments
about
some
of
these
departments
working
well
together
and
I.
Think
in
a
perfect
world.
I
think
that
would
be
a
great
idea
because,
like
there
is
a
lot
of
overlap,
there
is
a
lot
of
expertise
to
be
shared
for
sure.
However,
I
think
the
state
of
the
way
things
are
right
now,
I
mean
in
Public
Accounts
we're
lucky.
If
we
see
this
ministry
once
every
two
years,
we're
lucky
in
budget
estimates.
J
If
we
get
an
hour
and
a
half
to
ask
questions
on
five
billion
dollars
worth
of
spending,
so
while
there
might
be
Synergy
and
cost
savings
to
have
a
massive
Ministry
like
this
I,
don't
believe
it
provides
a
lot
of
opportunity
for
transparency
for
albertans
and-
and
you
know
again,
we
have
limited
tools.
You
know
this.
J
We
have
limited
tools
to
get
details
and
information,
and
our
job
is
to
try
to
get
clarity
for
many
stakeholders
and
yeah
I
just
want
to
put
on
the
record
that
creating
you
know:
Monster
Ministry,
while
yes
I,
agree
that
there
probably
are
some
upsides
to
it.
There
are
some
serious
drawbacks
as
well,
so.
I
I
You
guys
only
requested
three
hours
with
me.
It
could
have
been
six
hours
and
and
you're
absolutely
right.
This
is
a
huge
Ministry
and
we
we
could
have
spent
at
least
six
hours
talking
about
this.
But
yet
you.
J
Okay,
so
I'm.
J
The
ministry
is
now
projected
to
spend
about
5
billion
in
this
budget
year,
that
includes
all
income,
supports,
disability,
Sports,
homeless,
shelters,
women's
shelters,
preventative
Municipal,
Social,
Service
funding,
career
and
employment
services,
death,
Review,
Committee,
disability,
Advocate,
previous
Council,
seniors
programs,
housing
and
Office
of
the
public
Guardian
trustee.
J
Now
the
three
page
seniors
community
support
service
business
plan
was
not
very
helpful
as
a
business
tool,
so
I
I'm,
not
sure.
If
you've
you
know
worked
outside
of
the
non-profit
sector
I.
Imagine
you
have
at
some
point
that
you
know
I,
don't
know
about
you,
but
this
business
plan
would
not
fly
in
the
in
the
private
sector
in
any
way
for
like
five
billion
dollars
in
spending
to
have
this
little
amount
of
detail
almost
zero
metrics
about
you
know
how
could
we
look
back
a
year
from
now
and
go
okay?
J
Well,
we
invested
this
much
to
wait
lists
now
in
your
comments.
You
said
we
want
to
create
capacity
for
500
people
on
this
wait
list.
That's
great,
that's
a
metric!
That
is
something
you
can
go
back
and
look
at,
but
there's
nothing
like
that
here
in
this
business
plan.
So
I
just
want
to
point
out
that
you
know
we
don't
have
a
lot
of
things
to
reference.
Albertans,
don't
have
a
lot
of
things
to
reference
to
hold
governments
to
account,
and
so
this
tool.
J
This
business
plan
is
fairly
important
and
it's
not
very
helpful
in
terms
of
the
targets
that
are
laid
out.
So,
for
example,
there's
a
goal.
A
one
billion
dollar
program
PDD
is
to,
and
the
goal
specifically
says,
to
create
capacity
within
PDD
to
bring
more
people
into
service
and
to
address
challenges.
J
Now,
that's
a
mouthful
and
that's
a
lot
of
work.
I
know
that
you
know
that
that
is
a
ton
of
work
to
to
meet.
This
goal
is
a
lot
of
effort
and
work
and
I'm
just
curious
why
there
wouldn't
be
some
transparent
targets
so
that
the
work
of
this
ministry,
the
super
important
work
of
this
ministry,
because
I
think
it's
very
important
that
the
work
of
this
ministry
can
be
evaluated
by
albertans
and
by
the
opposition
as
well
to
say,
invested
this
much
money
of
albertan's
resources.
J
Here's
what
we
got
as
a
result,
but
I,
don't
see
that
and
it
seems
to
be
getting
worse
and
I'm,
not
sure
why
so
this
this
particular
business
plan,
although
has
a
billion
almost
a
billion
dollars
more
in
spending,
has
less
in
terms
of
goals
and
targets.
So
added
was
senior
services
and
programming
estimated
at
521
389
million
for
23.24,
not
to
mention
the
hundred
thousand.
J
Hundreds
of
thousand
people
touched
by
these
programs
and
the
only
corresponding
goal
in
the
business
plan
says
that
the
minutes
will
raise
those
about
elder
abuse,
support
programs
and
help
people
age
in
place.
Great
goals
really
good
goals,
and
you
know
what
most
of
us
will
say:
yeah
I,
totally
support
that
goal.
I
would
I
would
have
that
goal,
but
it
doesn't
mean
anything
if
there
are
not
targets
and
then
commitments
about
the
work
that
will
be
done
to
reach
that
goal.
J
Another
one
housing,
the
there's
an
amount,
there's
a
you
know:
we've
got
125
almost
126
million
dollars,
but
there's
no
corresponding
goal.
There's
no
objective:
there's
nothing
for
us
to
track
or
measure
added
public
guardian
and
trustee
for
another
27
million,
but
not
just
that
right.
So
we
also
know
that
opgt
also
manages
over
700
million
in
assets.
So
that's
a
fair
amount
of
work
and
you
would
think
that
you
would
want
to
go
for
that
and
the
only
goal
there
is
to
ensure
personal
financial
decisions
are
made
in
the
best
interest
of
albertans.
J
J
For
very
complex
and
vital
supports
for
albertans
and
there's
barely
any
detail
or
any
objectives
that
are
measurable,
much
less
useful
to
not
not
us,
because
I
think
we
live
and
breathe
this
stuff,
but
the
average
albertan
so
the
average
parent
that
has
a
child
with
a
disability
that
wants
to
look
at
this
ministry
documents
and
find
out
what
can
I
expect?
What
can
my
child
expect?
There
is
very
little
for
them
to
measure
and
there's
very
little
for
them
to
understand.
I
Sorry
there
was
a
lot
there
I'm
going
to
go
right
back
to
the
beginning,
I
I
spent
my
entire
career
outside
of
working
as
a
carpenter
for
a
short
while
and
building
countertops
and
I
was
a
lifeguard
for
a
little
while
not
a
lot
of
business
planning
is
a
lifeguard
but
I
spent
my
entire
career.
Otherwise,
in
the
not-for-profit
sector,
I
managed
multi-million
dollar
programs,
60,
plus
staff
teams
and
I
can
tell
you
that
business
planning
was
a
significant
part
of
the
work
that
we
did.
I
Strategic
planning
and
so
I
know
that
that
is
a
very
important
part
of
our
not-for-profit
sector
is
to
be
able
to
plan
for
businesses.
So
having
that
experience
is
is
important,
but
you
know
I'm
I'm
I,
take
your
feedback
that
that
you're
not
not
happy
with
the
business
plan
and-
and
you
feel
that
it's
it
measure.
I
But
even
your
last
comment
there
about
affordable
housing,
I
mean
there's
some
pretty
specific
Targets
in
here
that
that
we've
set
and
I
think
they're
ambitious,
but
budget
2023
2024
certainly
outlines
and
provides
the
funding
to
be
able
to
address
these
things.
I
I'm
I'm,
referring
to
the
part
where
it
says,
projected
targets,
so
these
are
our
goals.
This
is
what
we
will
be
performance.
A
I
Know
we
follow
treasury
board
guidelines,
I
know
and
we
are
also
audited
by
the
the
under
just
so
yeah
I
am
comfortable
and
I
believe
that
we've
had
a
high
level
of
scrutiny,
and
the
team
here
has
done
an
excellent
job.
Putting
this
together.
J
I
have
a
couple
of
quick
questions
about
Claire's
law.
Tell
me
what
the
total
costs
were
of
setting
up
and
implementing
Claire's
law.
I
We
are,
we
have
piloted
Claire's
law,
we've
been
partnering
with
sage
s,
I
that
I
believe
I
know
the
number,
but
I
don't
want
to
say
it
just
in
case
I'm
wrong,
and
you
know,
I
had
a
conversation
with
say
just
the
other
day.
They've
had
a
tremendous
amount
of
success
so
far
in
the
first
two
years
and
looking
forward
to
the
third
year,
so
we
can
be
able
to
provide
good
metrics
to
be
able
to
demonstrate
that
success.
I
J
Can
you
tell
me
I,
guess
that's
the
two
years
you
said
you
said
the
so
two
years
this
has
been
the
two
full
years.
I
So
since
then,
there's
been
370
applications
for
disclosure
received.
J
To
you,
so
if
you
could
get
that
in
table,
that
would
be
great
and
have
so
in
the
two
years.
So
this
has
been
going
on
on
two
years
and
so
370
applications
we're
not
sure
how
many
people
have
received
disclosures,
but
you'll
table
that
has
any
evaluation
whatsoever
on
this
process
program
set
up.
Anything
at
all
been
done.
J
J
J
Perspective,
isn't
it
yeah
sure
okay
I
have
I
want
I
want
to
talk
a
little
bit
now
about
food
banks,
so
on
page
11
of
the
business
plan,
I
note
that
five
million
dollars
in
Grants
to
food
banks
and
Civil
Society
organizations
supporting
food
security,
so
that
is
located
in
fcss
correct,
so
that
five
million
dollars
would
be
located
in
the
line.
6.2.
Is
that
correct.
J
And
how
much
of
that
five
million
dollar
increase?
That
was
actually
that
went
through
fcss,
how
much
of
that
went
to
permanent
food
banks.
L
Yeah,
oh
okay,.
I
J
J
I
Can
I
tell
you
why?
Because
I
mean
food
banks
have
a
certain
reach
into
the
community,
but
there
are
a
number
of
different
community
and
cultural
groups
as
well
that
have
a
broader
reach
or
towards
meeting
you,
those
individual
cultural
communities.
So
one
of
the
big
things
I've
heard
from
individuals
is
a
lot
of
the
times.
I
The
food
that's
offered
through
food
banks
is
not
the
type
of
food
that
that
their
culture,
their
communities
used
to
working
in
comparing
so
we've
been
partnering
with
numerous
not-for-profits
Community
organizations
to
try
to
address
that,
and
but
also
individual
groups
have
different
reach
in
the
community
to
be
able
to
understand
and
identify
need
and
be
able
to
bring
resources
to
where
they
are,
but
I
mean
I
can
start
listing
here
from
the
top.
J
J
J
So
here's
a
question
I
have
and
I
have
not
understood
this
from
the
first
day
that
I
found
out
about
it
because
it
I
just
don't
get
it.
So
we
know
and
I've
asked
you
this
in
question
period
before
so.
We,
my
expectation,
I,
guess
from
the
release.
I
it
was
that
five
million
dollars
is
going
to
adjust
food
insecurity.
J
Me
thinking,
you
know,
the
vast
majority
would
go
to
the
food
banks.
The
big
food
banks,
I,
think
that
are
doing
a
lot
of
work
and
I'm,
not
saying
they're
the
only
food
banks
for
sure,
but
you've
got
Calgary
and
Edmonton
that
are
massive,
that
are
like
these
feeder
food
banks
right
they're,
sending
out
food
all
over
the
place.
You
know
I
know
that
represents
St
Albert
Evanston
food
bank
has
sent
food
to
Saint
Albert
before
to
lots
of
organizations
in
the
inner
city
that
are
supporting
people
without
homes.
J
We
know
that,
and
you
know,
I
just
I,
don't
understand
how
what
equation
was
used
so
that
the
big
food
banks
ended
up
together,
combined
with
only
about
a
half
a
million
dollars
like
I.
Don't
get
that
so
there's
about
a
104
food
banks,
I
think
and
the
two
biggest
ones,
two
massive
ones.
Only
combined
got
about
half
a
million
dollars,
and
we
heard
from
the
Edmonton
food
bank.
They
were
quite
vocal
about
it
that
that
covered
their
food
expense.
For
probably
a
month
they're
doing
about
31
000
hampers
a
month.
J
I
Know
I
think
it's
important
to
recognize
the
the
amazing
work
that
food
banks
have
done
and
these
other
not-for-profit
organizations
have
done
in
regards
to
addressing
food
security
and
and
throughout
time
have
done
this
without
any
resources
from
government,
including
under
when
you
guys
were
government.
There
was
absolutely
zero
pennies
put
into
food
banks
and
they've
been
quite
successful
over
the
years
in
regards
to
mobilizing
community
a
lot
of
their
their
success
is
also
because
of
volunteerism,
but
but
a
broader
Community
engagement
in
addressing
food
security.
I
We
don't
want
to
replace
that
I
think
it's
important
that
we
continue
to
encourage
that
level
of
Civil
Society
action
to
make
sure
that
we,
as
as
people,
are
involved
in
helping
address
the
and
meet
the
needs
of
our
neighbors
I.
Think
we
don't
want
to
lose
that
as
a
society.
So
this
fund
was
not
designed
to
take
over
that,
but
understanding
that
volunteerism
had
dropped,
that
donations
had
dropped
coming
out
of
the
pandemic
and
that
demand
had
gone
up.
We
went
we
need
to
get
behind
that,
and
so
that's
why
we
did.
I
The
the
matching
fund
program
as
well
was
to
help
encourage
and
and
the
natural
strength
that
these
organizations
to
mobilize
and
keep
the
community
involved,
and
we
also,
but
we
didn't-
want
to
come
in
and
completely
take
over
as
well.
So
this
was
partly
in
support
of
food
banks,
but
also
partly
as
a
call
to
action
to
albertans
to
get
involved
and
remind
them
that
there
is
still
this
great
need
in
our
community
and
I.
Think
it's
worked
so.
J
I
Yeah,
so
funding
was
allocated
based
on
the
food
bank
service
area,
the
population
IT
services
reported
to
the
food
banks,
Canada
2022,
hunger
count
and
recognizing
food
banks
in
urban
areas,
server,
larger
amount
of
clients.
So
while
the
food
banks
in
rural
areas
may
have
less
access
to
donated
food
and
maybe
need
to
transport
their
food
throughout
a
larger
service
area,
so.
I
I
As
you
all
know,
scss
has
a
good
feel
for
what's
on
the
ground
in
regards
to
who's
operating
well,
so
we
worked
in
collaboration
with
fcss
and
food
banks.
Alberta
I
believe
it's
to
distribute
these
resources
in
what
we
thought
was
an
equitable
way
based
off
of
demand
across
the
province
in
in
unique
communities.
J
I
J
F
I
Know
you're
talking
about
a
lot
of
not-for-profits
across
the
province
that
work
towards
addressing
food
security
so
as
as
we
spread,
These
funds
out
across
the
province
to
meet
need
that
119
established
food
banks
were
offered
grant
funding
in
December
2020
119..
I
So
that's
that's!
Pretty
significant.
J
But
I
think
if
you
look
at
the
total
number
of
people
being
fed,
sadly
that
are
relying
on
food
banks
and
there's
a
lot
of
them.
Unfortunately,
there's
a
lot
in
rural
Alberta
and
don't
get
me
wrong.
I
think
life
is
a
lot
more
difficult
in
rural
Alberta,
because
there
are
not
the
supports
that
there
are
in
the
big
cities,
so
I
get
that
there's
a
lot
of
issues
in
rural
Alberta.
J
However,
if
you
look
at
the
sheer
numbers
and
the
pounds
of
food
that
are
moving
and
the
number
of
people
that
are
being
fed
and
the
number
of
organizations
that
are
being
fed
by
a
food
bank,
Calgary
and
Edmonton
are
massive
and
take
care
of
most
of
the
need
in
terms
of
numbers
right.
We
know
that
the
most
people
are
in
the
large
Urban
centers,
but
they
got
a
fraction
of
five
million
dollars
and
I
just
I.
Don't
understand.
Look.
I
I
appreciate
what
you're
saying
I
mean:
they
are
one
of
119
service
or
two
of
119
service
providers,
and
so
they
did
get
funding,
but
numerous
other
organizations
not
only
across
the
province
but
in
Calgary
and
Edmonton,
also
got
funding
to
address
food
challenges
and
food
scarcity
issues
in
their
communities.
So
this
wasn't
that
Edmonton
only
got
250
thousand
dollars
Edmonton.
We
can
break
that
down,
got
significantly
more
than
that,
as
we
work
to
partner
with
numerous
agencies
to
address
this
need
and.
I
Sorry
chair,
what
was
the
question.
J
I
Yes,
chair
I'd
be
happy
to
table
the
list.
Okay,
that'd.
J
L
J
I
understand
that
ish
what
core
benefits
were
re-indexed
to
January
2023,
which
is
great-
you
know
it's,
you
know
they're,
it's
not
perfect,
it's
not
back
to
where
it
should
be,
which
was
2019
that
never
should
have
been
undone
I,
think
that
we
all
saw
the
harm
Madam
chair
that
what
that
Inc,
that
happens
after
we
deandexed
we
saw
all
kinds
of
things
happen.
There
was
kovid,
we
saw
just
an
explosion
of
food
bank
usage.
We
saw
the
numbers
of
people
without
homes
increasing
dramatically
and
I.
J
Don't
think
it's
a
coincidence,
Madam
chair,
that
all
of
these
supports
are,
you
know,
being
used
more
and
more,
because
all
of
these
benefits
were
de-index.
So,
while
I'm
happy
that
they
were
re-indexed
to
January,
it's
really
not
enough
and
re-indexed
to
2019.
again
we'll
get
that
done.
I
should
have
been
that
should
it
should
never
have
happened
anyway.
What
was
the
total
amount
of
over
payments.
J
I
Do
we
have
the
answer
to
that
question?
How.
J
Now
I've
asked
this:
this
might
sound
like
a
really
morbid
question
chair,
but
I've
asked
this
question
a
number
of
times
and
I
I,
just
maybe
I'm,
just
not
looking
in
the
correct
place
to
get
the
information,
but
I
can
see
how
many
people
are
added
to
H
sort
of
when
I
well.
J
Well,
let's
be
clear,
the
the
ministry
Madam
chair
hasn't
updated
their
data
online
for
quite
some
time.
So
it's
hard
to
get
really
current
information,
but
you
know
based
on:
what's
there
I
can
see
approximately
new
people
apply
for
age
and
are
accepted
into
age
and
all
of
that,
what
I
don't
know
is
how
many
people
leave
ish
and
I've
asked
this
a
number
of
times
and
don't
get
an
answer.
J
So
what
I
would
like
to
know
Madam
chair
is
how
many
people
last
year
in
the
last
fiscal
leftish
because
number
one
they
turned
65
and
were
transitioned
to
another
benefit
or
two
left-ish
because
of
employment,
so
left
age
for
full-time
employment,
altogether
transitions
and
then
how
many
people
were
removed
from
Ace
rolls
because
of
they
just
they
died
and
so
I'm.
Looking
for
that
number,
those
three
numbers.
I
L
I
J
J
I
mean
this
was
the
group
and
I
think
probably
most
of
us
that
have
friends
or
family
that
have
disabilities
probably
have
really
awful
stories
about
covid
what
that
was
like
and
illnesses,
and
all
of
that
what
I'm
trying
to
get
at
is
how
many
people
left
aish
and
it
died
passed
away
because
of
cobalt
that
were
attributed
to
coved.
So
I
know
that
that
information
is
collected
when
people
leave
age
so
I'm.
Just
looking
for
that
number.
I
I
M
I
Certainly
we
can,
we
can
look
into.
It
looks
like
it
might
be
an
AHS
question
in
regards
to
where
that
information
is
tracked.
So,
let's
so.
J
Okay,
so
I'm
going
to
go
quickly
to
fscg,
so
family
support
for
children
with
disabilities,
so
primarily
line
4.4
estimates.
So
we
see
that
there
is
an
increase
to
where
is
it
here?
J
There
is
an
increase
of
about.
Well
depends
what
you
look
at
depends.
If
you
look
at
the
budget
or
the
forecast,
there
is
an
increase.
I,
don't
know
what
number
you're
going
with
I.
Think
I
heard
you
and
your
opening
statement
say
like
30
million
30.1
million
is
that
which
the
number
you're
going
on.
J
60
million
okay,
so
out
of
that
16
million
dollars.
So
we
know
again
that
open
data
hasn't
been
unless
you
did
it
yesterday.
The
open
data
hasn't
been
updated
since
December
of
last
year,
and
so
that's
the
only
number
we
have
so
we
know
at
that
time
there
were
4
144
children
or
children,
slash
families,
because
it's
family
support
that
were
in
service
planning
right,
so
we're
not
being
supported,
did
not
have
supports
in
their
home
likely
didn't
have
a
signed
contract
right.
J
I
And
I
appreciate
that
and
I
think
challenges
coming
out
of
the
pandemic
have
increased
it
as
well,
and
so
that's
why
we
have
this
investment
here.
So
I
sincerely
appreciate
your
advocacy
on
this
and
want
to
make
sure
that
you
have
mindful
acknowledgment
that
this
is
an
area
that
we
need
to
improve
upon
as
a
government
for
for
families
and
children
with
disabilities.
So
we
are
committed
to
that
and
I
think
you
see
that
here
with
the
16
million
dollars
to
to
try
to
address
that
and
improve
Frontline
supports
we're.
I
Also,
you
know
it's
not
always
about
more
money.
We're
also
we're
looking
at
the
overall
system
to
figure
out.
How
do
we
improve?
You
know,
reduce
administrative
burden
for
families
that
are
trying
to
access
supports
triage
in
a
different
way
and
making
sure
that
people
can
can
get
in
and
get
those
supports
quicker,
especially
depending
on
the
complexity
of
those
needs
and
so
stay
stay
tuned.
I
I
know
you
probably
don't
like
that
expression,
but
this
is
something
that
I
am
fully
yes,
but
I
am
I'm
very
focused
on
on
working
towards
addressing
that
and
I
do
believe.
The
10
increase
as
well
for
the
disability.
I
There's
for
wage
increase,
as
well
as
for
increasing
capacity
to
address
so.
J
I
So
this
is
linked
to
what
you've
brought
up
as
well
as
in
regards
to
addressing
the
the
data.
So
right
now
we
pause
the
public
release
of
family
support
data,
as
you
mentioned,
in
order
to
get
an
independent
source
to
review,
how
we
collect
data
and
what
data
we're
collecting.
I
So
at
this
point,
until
we
get
the
results
of
that
independent
review
of
our
data
collection,
it's
gonna
be
difficult
for
me
to
answer
that
question,
but
my
hope
is
through
that
process
we
will
be
able
to
more
or
clearly
articulate
what
the
waitlist
is
who's
on
the
wait
list
and
and
what
that
way,
we
can
set
goals
and
targets
for
how
we
move
forward.
N
Thank
you
very
much
as
a
former
deputy
minister,
we're
looking
at
the
whole
program
is
in
its
entirety.
So,
as
you
know,
through
the
chair,
we
have
a
recommendations
from
the
auditor
in
terms
of
training,
We've
started
there
we're
looking
at
applications
we're
looking
at.
How
do
we
as
far
as
streamline
the
application
process,
as
well
as
we're
looking
at
them?
What
we
would
we
call
a
wait
list
when
we
started
to
to
review
the
waitlist
data,
that's
included.
N
We
had
things
in
there
that
we
were
collect
numbers
for
people
that
were
being
referred,
and
that's
not
really
a
true
rate
list
that
some
of
the
the
the
the
numbers
weren't
actually
as
far
as
giving
us
a
true
sense
of
of
the
wait
list.
So
we
have
a
very
comprehensive
review
which
is
being
led
by
our
ADM
in
terms
of
disability
and,
as
the
minister
said,
we
have
some
actually
some
good
things
that
we
think
to
cut
red
tape.
N
Yeah-
and
it
was
interesting-
and
so
particularly
last
year
and
and
we
you'd
ask
many
questions
about
the
white
list-
we
took
it
back
and
we
looked
at
the
wait
list
and
just
how,
as
far
as
people
were
waiting
for
service
plan
and
who
they
were,
and
some
of
the
numbers
would
be
different
than
how
we
would
collect
for
income
support,
so
we're
looking
at
the
whole
program.
But
it's
not
just
the
data,
as
the
minister
is
talking
about.
N
J
I
guess
you
don't
have
any
metrics,
then
for
the
wait
list,
you
don't
you
don't
have
any
sort
of
there
aren't
any
metrics
to
say
Okay,
so
we're
going
to
invest
14
million
dollars
in
the
wait
list
to
for
sure
review
the
the
people
on
the
list
to
the
data
to
see
you
know.
Maybe
some
people
don't
even
belong
on
that
list.
I
Sorry,
that's
a
great
question
and
that's
exactly
why
this
independent
review
of
the
data
is
so
critical
because
we
want
to
make
sure
that
we
a
we're
tracking,
the
right
things
and,
and
that
and
and
so
that
b
we
can
actually
monitor
this
and
create
goals
as
we
move
forward
so
I
think
that's
absolutely
critical.
The
other
thing
that's
important
too.
Is
we
we're
working
towards
I?
I
Think
the
minister
of
Education
mentioned
this
during
her
estimates,
but
we
want
to
make
sure
we're
improving
the
overall
family
experience
and
right
now,
there's
supports
in
health.
There's
supports
in
education,
there's
supports
in
seniors,
community
and
Social
Services.
We
want
to
make
sure
that
we're
working
better
across
Ministries
to
provide
a
better
support
system
for
families
at
the
end
of
the
day.
So
that's
what
we're
working
on
right
now,
yep.
J
Tell
me
just
real
quick
we're
going
to
run
out
of
time
how
many
families,
out
of
just,
if
you
have
this
information
or
even
just
an
estimate,
how
many
families
are
the
4144
on
the
service
plan
and
caseload
wait
list.
I
have
been
there
for
12
months
or
more.
I
I
B
I
E
Your
budget
5.4
billion
dollar-
that
represents
an
increase
of
almost
15
percent
or
close
to
700
million
dollars.
So
that
is
good
thing
and
I.
What
I'm
wondering
about
is
that
we
know
that
more
investment
is
necessary
to
make
life
more
affordable
to
protect
albertans
and
to
improve
sports
available.
E
So
buttons
have
asked
for
more
sport
for
communities
and
civil
societies
to
increase
stability
participation
and
the
inclusion
of
Football
turns
in
need.
So
my
question
Mr
to
you,
is:
what
type
of
programming
will
this
increased
funding
Sport
and
how
will
this
investment
integrate
further
with
respect
to
Alberta's
recovery,
oriented
system
of
care.
I
So,
thank
you,
member
for
for
the
question.
In
your
kind
words,
you
know
I
think
the
the
this
budget
signifies
hope
for
many
albertans.
You
know
I
know
you
door
knock
as
much
as
I
do
and
you
know
hearing
door-to-door
the
struggles
and
the
challenges
that
many
albertans
are
facing,
especially
for
seniors
and
individuals
with
disabilities
in
our
community
and
the
affordability
challenges.
I
And
so,
as
you
know,
a
significant
chunk
of
my
budget
is
for
for
age,
Income,
Support,
seniors
benefits,
and
this
budget
with
the
indexing
of
these
supports
not
only
signifies
increased
for
today
and
for
this
year,
but
ongoing
into
the
future
and
that
no
longer
as
the
the
price
of
living
goes
up,
are
people
going
to
be
slowly
pushed
out
and
so
I
think.
I
That's
probably
one
of
the
most
significant
things
in
this
budget,
but
one
of
the
things
I'm
I'm
most
proud
of
is
that
is
that
investment
in
making
sure
that
individuals
are
able
to
put
food
on
their
on
their
plate
and
pay
pay
their
bills,
and
especially
those
who
are
most
vulnerable
in
our
community
and
that
ongoing
commitment
to
doing
just
that.
I
So
the
other
part
of
it
is
so
much
of
my
Ministry
is
supporting
the
amazing
individuals
that
that
work
in
our
communities
support
our
most
vulnerable
and
partnering
with
our
not-for-profits
partnering
with
you
know
those
who
work
the
front
lines
in
this
area
and
after
being
ignored
for
10
years.
These
individuals
are
getting
a
much
deserved,
pay
increase
and
again.
I
know
how
impactful
that's
been.
I
I
was
chased
down
in
the
street
the
other
day
on
or
Knocking
by
an
individual
who
just
wanted
to
come
up
and
give
me
a
hug,
and
thank
me
for
for
that,
and
you
know
where
they
had
lost
hope
and
it
had
had
that
increasing
challenge
to
be
able
to
feed
their
family
but
loved
the
people
that
they
served.
So
they
stuck
to
it.
So
I'm
really
excited
about
about
that
investment
in
this
and
then
on
the
homeless
and
Outreach
side
of
things.
I
Significant
increases
to
not
just
increasing
Financial
shelters,
but
increasing
funding
towards
things
that
are
going
to
make
a
significant
impact
in
helping
people
and
their
experience
of
homelessness.
And
you
know
the
The
Hub
model
named
day,
shelters
and
the
programs
that
are
going
to
be
done
with
intention
to
help
people
and
provide
those
supports
to
help
people
find
those
Avenues
out
of
homelessness.
So
I
think
there's
just
so
much
here
that
I'm
excited
about.
Thank
you
for
that
question.
E
You
and
Martin
thank
you
for
letting
us
know
the
feedback
that
you
have
at
the
food
bank
or
at
the
doors,
but
you
I
know
that
you
also
got
some
of
that
with
some
organizations
thanking
you
for
what
you've
done
in
this
budget.
So
going
back
to
the
question,
you
know
the
thing
very
well:
how
will
that
be
distributed
in
region,
wise
funding
that
you
have.
I
Yeah,
that's
a
great
question
so
and
we've
seen
it
with
food
banks
we're
going
to
table
this
later,
but
we
know
that
there's
great
need
right
across
the
province
and
I've
spent
a
lot
of
my
last
six
months
as
Minister
traveling
everywhere
from
La
Crete
down
to
Medicine,
Hat
and
everywhere
in
the
middle
and
have
thoroughly
enjoyed
that.
I
But
it
was
seeing
firsthand
a
lot
of
these
great
not-for-profits
Community
organizations
that
are
doing
excellent
work
in
their
communities,
they're
struggling
as
well
to
to
be
able
to
help
meet
the
need,
and
so
especially
with
food
banks.
For
example.
It's
about
getting
those
resources
to
these
these
smaller
guys
in
these
smaller
communities
to
make
sure
that
our
more
Rural
and
remote
communities
are
also
getting
that
support.
That
includes
supports
on
housing.
I.
E
We
see
that
your
mystery
has
been
informed
by
the
advice
and
recommendation
from
the
coordinated
Community
response
to
homelessness
task
force.
The
government
of
Alberta
developed
the
homelessness
action
plan
to
reduce
homelessness
in
the
province
component
of
that
action
plan
and
the
ministry's
overall
effort
to
address
homelessness
is
a
recovery
oriented
system
of
care
which
is
coordinated
network
of
persons
centered.
E
Community-Based
services
and
supports
that
builds
on
the
strength
and
resilience
of
individuals,
families
and
communities
to
achieve
improved
health
and
Wellness
by
implementing
a
recovery,
oriented
approach
in
Emergency,
Shelters
and
other
Housing
Programs
Frontline
staff
can
better
connect
those
experiencing
homelessness
with
appropriate
Sport
AS
means
of
breaking
the
cycle
of
homelessness.
So
with
that
quote
in
mind,
how
does
the
ministry
of
seniors
community
and
Social
Services
partner,
with
Ministries
other
mysteries
in
the
government
to
actualize
the
vision
of
recovery,
oriented
system
of
care
or
otherwise
known
as
rosc.
I
Excellent
and
it's
a
great
question
and
one
that
brings
me
great
excitement.
As
you
know,
I
used
to
work
in
in
shelters
and
one
of
the
biggest
frustrations
for
me,
and
my
colleagues
and
the
people
that
we
served
was
significant
service
gaps
when
it
came
to
recovery-
and
you
know,
I-
remember
stories
of
working
with
individuals
who,
after
after
watching
them
for
years
or
months
in
their
Addiction,
coming
and
saying,
hey
I
need
help.
I
I
And
so
you
know
big
part
of
why
I
ran
for
government
and
so
excited
to
be
able
to
be
here
today
is
to
work
towards
addressing
those
service
gaps
so
that
when
somebody
does
ask
for
help
that
help
is
available-
and
you
know
it's-
a
big
part
of
our
Minister's
objective-
is
to
tie
our
homeless
and
Outreach
support
programs
with
other
Ministries.
I
Like
mental
health
and
addictions
to
make
sure
that
we
have
a
comprehensive
support
system
in
place
for
individuals
who
are
experiencing
addiction
and
challenges
or
need
more
mental
health
supports
I
used
to
work
with
Canadian
Health,
to
manage
to
post
discharge
program
for
people
with
Access,
One
diagnosis.
And
you
know
we.
We
worked
with
individuals
who
were
in
the
hospital
and
basically
helped
with
the
six-month
program
to
transition
them
into
the
community.
I
I
And
so
we,
we
certainly
are
working
very
closely
with
the
minister
of
mental
health
and
addiction
to
make
sure
that
our
entire
homeless
and
Outreach
Services
are
working
at
implementing
the
recovery
oriented
system
of
care
and
that
we
have
resources
available
for
individuals
and
actually
recent
announcement
at
the
drop-in
center,
with
four
million
dollars
put
towards
medical
detox
is
going
to
go
such
a
long
way.
In
regards
to
provide
the
support
that
individuals
need
that
that
are
asking
and
looking
to
get
out
of
out
of
their
addiction.
E
I
The
probably
the
biggest
I
mean
obviously
improved
Health
outcomes
for
individuals
and
seeing
more
people
moving
out
of
homelessness
into
into
detox
into
treatment,
into
recovery
and
and
into
housing.
So
I
think
we'll
see
increased
results
when
it
comes
to
that
and
ultimately,
at
the
end
of
the
day,
seeing
a
decreased
number
of
the
people
that
are
are
experiencing
homelessness
in
our
community
as
well
as
shortening
that
experience
for
individuals.
I
You
know
people
will
find
themselves
in
crisis
where
they're
experiencing
homelessness
and
the
quicker
we
can
help
people
move
out
of
that
the
better
and,
of
course,
hopefully,
people
are
preventing
people
from
becoming
homeless
all
together
in
the
first
place,
by
having
stronger
networks
and
supports
in
communities
to
be
able
to
address
these
things
before
the
crisis
leads
to
the
situation
of
homelessness.
E
D
Thank
you,
madam
chair,
and
thank
you
to
my
colleague
and
it's
a
pleasure
to
be
able
to
be
here
with
the
ministry
and
I
also
want
to
Echo
what
my
colleague
said
earlier,
how
it's
refreshing
and
exciting
to
see
the
passion
that
you
show
in
your
role
as
the
minister
to
be
able
to
help
the
most
vulnerable
in
our
society.
So
it's
it's
exciting
to
see
how
you
do
this
because
of
the
where
you've
been
and
where
you've
seen
close
closely
and
up
close
and
in
the
trenches.
D
What
what
is
being
dealt
with
out
there.
So
I
think
you
bring
a
lot
to
the
table
into
the
ministry
for
the
experience
that
you
have.
But
Minister
I
want
to
talk
to
you,
some
specifically
about
the
food
banks
and
Civil
Society
on
page
111
of
the
2023-2026
seniors
community
and
Social
Services
fiscal
plan.
D
We
see
in
2023
the
five
five
million
dollars
in
Grants
and
five
million
donation
matching
in
allocation
to
food
banks
and
Civil
Society
organizations
supporting
food
security
to
assist
vulnerable
albertans
and
their
families
in
need
to
further
address
the
inflationary
challenges.
Alberta's
government
allocated
42
million
over
two
years
from
22-2022
to
2024
to
support
food
banks.
So
has
the
Alberta
Government
traditionally
supported
food
banks.
I
Yeah,
so
the
answer
that
question
is
is
no,
and
during
the
the
pandemic,
significant
decline
in
in
both
volunteerism,
as
well
as
donations
to
food
banks
and,
of
course,
as
you
can
imagine,
the
the
demand
went
up,
and
so
we
had
this
this
Challenge
and
where
we
had
a
sector
that
was
traditionally
very
well
supported
through
philanthropy
and
through
volunteerism
that
was
struggling
to
meet
needs
as
needs
were
growing,
and
so
during
the
pandemic,
the
the
former
Minister
put
the
first
amount
of
money
into
food
banks
to
be
able
to
help
address
and
get
through
that
crisis.
I
As
we've
come
out
of
the
the
pandemic,
we've
seen,
we
haven't
necessarily
seen
the
same
number
of
volunteers
coming
out,
help
out
in
the
food
banks,
as
we
have
in
the
past,
and
we
also
saw
we
haven't
seen
the
donations
start
to
uptick
and
I.
Think
that
part
of
that
is
the
challenge
with
inflation
and
increased
Demand
on
individuals
in
our
community
and
affordability.
I
You
know
if
you're
struggling
to
put
food
on
your
own
table,
you're
going
to
have
troubles,
donating
and
being
generous
with
that
and
and
that's
understandable,
but
that
that
left
our
food
banks
in
a
situation
where
they
were
hard-pressed
to
be
able
to
meet
the
growing
need
within
our
community.
And
so
when
the
premier
won
her
leadership.
I
We
sat
down
and
I
expressed
my
concern
and
she
expressed
her
concern
about
food
banks
and
a
week
later,
she
asked
me
to
be
in
her
cabinet,
and-
and
this
was
on
my
my
mandate-
letter
was
to
deal
with
food
scarcity.
Challenges
within
the
community,
and
so
we
were
I
was
so
excited
to
see
that
there
and
so
excited
to
be
able
to
get
these
resources
to
these
organizations
so
that
they
can
work
towards
meeting
that
great
need
within
our
community.
D
I
Yeah,
so
there
was,
we
had
an
opportunity
to
meet
with
a
number
of
food
banks
as
well
as
Community
organizations
that
address
food
Security
in
our
community,
and
there
was
a
growing
ask
and
as
they
were,
raising
the
concern
about
their
ability
to
continue
to
meet
the
need.
That's
that's
around
them.
D
All
right
well,
thank
you
now.
I
want
to
just
ask
a
question
about
about
age.
We
find
on
page
86
of
the
23
20
23
2023,
to
26
fiscal
plan,
that
the
budget
for
H
has
seen
a
1.5
billion
dollar
investment,
which
indicates
a
minister,
the
ministry
budget,
increased
of
167
million
dollars
for
budget
2223.,
the
Alberta
age
core
benefit
rate
Remains,
the
highest
of
all
provinces,
I
I,
I
noticed
for
single
individuals
with
a
disability.
D
We
listened
to
albertans,
who
are
concerned
about
the
pressures
of
on
these
programs
and
are
asking
what
is
being
done
to
support
vulnerable
people
and
help
improve
their
lives
more
fully.
D
Could
you
describe
this
government's
commitment
to
albertan's
accessing
Asia
ports
and
maybe
also
describe
how
we
are
how
we
are
in
terms
of
other
provinces
in
comparables,
so.
I
I'll
answer
your
your
last
question.
First,
you
know
recently
I've
had
the
chance
to
meet
with
the
federal
Minister
Minister
qualtro,
to
talk
about
how
we
work
together
across
governments
to
support
albertans
and
Canadians
with
disabilities,
and
it
was
a
great
conversation
and
as
we
shared
ideas
about
how
we
can,
we
can
go
about
doing
that
in
Partnership.
I
But
one
of
the
things
she
said
is
is
Alberta
is
the
model
and
when
she
looks
across
Canada
she's
hoping
that
the
rest
of
the
country
can
catch
up
and
do
what
we're
doing
here
in
Alberta
and
so
Alberta
continues
to
lead
the
way
which
I'm
extremely
proud
of
in
regards
to
our
support
for
albertans
with
disabilities,
and
that
we
have
a
very
strong,
robust
system
of
care
for
these
individuals
within
our
community.
I
You
know
the
strength
of
our
economy,
and
you
know
I've
always
been
asked
with
your
background,
while
you
on
this
side
of
the
spectrum
and
because
I
think
the
strength
of
our
economy
and
is
so
critical
in
our
ability
to
create
Prosperity
and
then
to
use
that
prosperity
to
care
for
for
people
who
are
most
vulnerable
in
our
community
I
think
is
critical
to
value
of
who
we
are
as
albertans
and
I
certainly
think.
That's
part
of
our
our
advantage.
D
Okay,
so
I
just
wanted
to
maybe
just
clarify
what
you
just
said.
There
I
I
thought
I
heard
you
say
that
it
was
because
of
our
economy,
because
we've
done
something
right
here
in
Alberta
that
we're
able
to
actually
provide
this
kind
of
support
to
our
most
vulnerable.
Is
that
what
you.
I
Said
yeah,
that's
absolutely
what
I'm
saying
you
know
as
we
as
we
Prosper.
We
can
use
that
prosperity
to
help,
and
so
it's
critical
that
we
have
strong
economic
and
fiscal
policies
that
we're
keeping
our
financial
house
in
order,
so
that
we're
in
a
position
to
be
able
what
we
do
right
now
and
and
I
I
strongly
believe.
That's
why
we're
seeing
such
an
amazing
budget
before
us
is
this
government's
strong
economic
and
fiscal
policies.
D
So
in
other
provinces,
where
they
have
not
had
that
kind
of
strength
in
their
economy,
that
maybe
we
have
had
as
we've
many
people
and
throughout
Canada
have
said
that
we're
economic
engine
of
Canada
these
other
provinces.
What
what
is
what
are
some
of
the
concerns
that
that
that
we
would
have
if
we
moved
away
from
a
strong,
strong
economy.
I
Again
I
mean
you
just
got
to
take
a
look
at
the
revenue
tab
in
our
in
our
budget.
Here
I
mean
the
the
strength
of
our
economy,
the
growing
diversity
of
our
economy,
the
the
sustainability
of
that
allows
us
to
have
those
financial
resources
and
wealth
to
be
able
to
provide
these
excellent
services
and
again
to
lead
Canada,
especially
on
this
file,
to
lead
Canada
in
regards
to
our
care
for
our
for
individuals
with
disabilities
and
are
most
vulnerable
in
our
community
or
seniors,
and
it's
absolutely
critical.
A
A
A
A
L
K
Thank
you,
madam
chair,
and
it's
it's
my
pleasure
to
join
debate
or
discussion
regarding
seniors,
Community,
Social
Services
by
a
focusing
on
seniors
part
of
a
budget,
and
so
we
know
that
the
seniors
population
Madam
chair
is
growing
at
a
higher
rate
than
other
demographics.
K
K
Both
the
rapidly
increasing
population
and
high
rates
of
inflation
mean
that
increasing
investments
in
seniors
programs
is
essential
and,
of
course,
increase
in
complexity
of
issues
that
seniors
are
facing,
and
I
mean
I'm
very
interested
in
discussing
this,
not
only
because
I
used
to
be
the
minister
of
seniors
in
housing,
but
because
soon
I
will
be
a
senior
just
a
few
more
years.
K
So
I'm,
looking
forward
to
discussing
this
very
much
with
the
minister
Madam
chair,
so
I'm
going
to
start
with
in
the
estimates
line,
7.2
special
needs
assistance
grants
okay,
so
this
program
we
know,
supports
low
income,
seniors
for
basic
health
care
and
personal
needs,
home
repairs
and
appliances,
and
since
the
UCP
was
elected,
many
of
the
eligible
supports
have
been
deleted
or
reduced
in
budget
2021.
K
Think
perhaps
you
know
Minister
Nixon
here
also,
but
it
certainly
is
something
that
seniors
want,
and
we
in
the
opposition
know
how
is
important,
how
important
it
is
and
most
seniors
do
live
in
the
community,
and
so
we
also
know
there's
a
tremendous
challenges
in
the
Continuing
Care
system,
and
so
really
supporting
seniors
to
be
able
to
age
in
their
communities
is
essential
and
of
course,
this
program
significantly
supports
people
to
do
that
and
I
know
and
I
think
both
the
minister
of
health
and
the
minister
of
community
and
Social
Services
mandate
letters
they
talk
about
working
collaboratively
in
order
to
support
seniors
sort
of
looking
at
this
Broadway
seniors
are
housed.
K
K
So
it
kind
of
flies
in
the
face
of
what
was
just
said
before
the
break
that
you
know
you
know
we
can
provide
these
programs
because
we
have
money
to
do
it
because
the
way
our
economy
is
structured
or
the
resources
we
have
well.
This
is
a
Clear
Choice
by
the
UCP
government
of
slashing
these
programs
for
seniors.
So,
regardless
of
them
having
you
know
billions
of
dollars,
they
think
this
is
an
important
area
and
that's
all
I
can
surmise
from
this.
K
I
So
thank
you,
chair
to
the
member
for
for
the
great
question.
Of
course,
her
advocacy
and
I
think
for
the
shared
alignment.
I
I
think
the
fact
that
we
can
start
in
the
place
where
we
know
how
important
it
is
for
us
to
be
able
to
help
care
for
our
seniors
to
help
seniors
to
be
able
to
stay
in
their
homes
longer
to
stay
in
their
communities
is,
is
so
critical
in
it,
and
so
it's
great
that
we're
starting
at
a
place
of
alignment
in
that
regard
and
I,
certainly
as
I
Dornoch
and
Calgary.
I
If
these,
how
we
help
provide
adequate
supports
for
individuals
in
our
community
to
do
that
and
pleased
also
to
say
that
I'm
working
closely
with
the
minister
of
health,
because
I
think
there's
a
lot
of
all
overlap
and
Alignment
that's
needed
to
to
take
place
there
as
we
create
a
Continuum
of
Care
for
Seniors
within
our
within
our
community.
So
I
think
I
think
it's
again
great
that
we're
we're
at
a
place
of
alignment
in
that
regard.
I
So
specific
to
the
members
question
on
7.2
so
due
to
primarily
to
the
impact
of
the
the
pandemic
uptake
for
the
special
needs,
assistance
grants
actually
dropped.
It
was
much
lower
than
expected,
so
we
expected
application
numbers
to,
of
course,
recover
in
the
coming
year.
That's
why
we've
seen
the
the
budget
line
item
go
up
there
reallocated
the
1.1
million
in
room
previously
sorry
to
senior
community
grants
to
make
sure
we
get
those
supports
out
the
community
in
one
way
or
another.
K
Thank
you
through
the
chair
to
the
minister,
I
guess
you
know
I
know
it
was
before
his
tenure
as
a
minister
of
seniors
and
Community
Support
Services,
but
I
mean
the
fact
is
that
this
program
was
cut
by
8
million
back
in
20,
20
21.,
so
already
for
some
reason,
even
though
the
minister
is
indicating
that
he
does
think
it's
important
for
people
to
have
the
supports
they
need
when
they're
Aging
in
community.
That
program
was
cut.
I've
certainly
heard
another
way
of
talking
about
these
supports
is
non-medical
supports.
K
So
not
only
do
people
need
home
care
things
like
that
when
they
live
at
home,
but
they
need
non-medical
support.
Sometimes
they
need
help
with
house
maintenance.
They
need
help
with
shoving
their
walks.
They
need
help
making
food
housekeeping
all
of
these
things,
and
certainly
I
understand,
certainly
from
the
minister
of
Health
last
year
and
during
estimates
he
talked
about
a
program
coming
forward
to
exactly
do
that
and
I'm
thinking.
K
This
is
exactly
the
place
where
you
know
an
augmentation
in
funding
significant
funding
to
support
people
to
come
to
be
able
to
stay
in
their
communities.
So
I
just
wonder
if
the
minister
can
speak
to
that,
you
know
increasing
non-medical
supports.
You
know
why?
Isn't
it
not
happening
through
this
program.
I
Yeah
so
again
I
mean
it
was
under
subscribed
last
budget,
so
we
have
brought
it
back
up
where
of
course,
certainly
committed
to
making
sure
that
we're
increasing
supports
for
seniors
in
the
community
and
I.
Think
again,
I've
I've
heard
firsthand
how
critical
non-medical
supports
and
I
think
that's
a
great
way
of
phrasing.
It
are
for
for
individuals
in
in
our
community.
I
So
I
you
see
that
here
in
a
commitment
in
our
in
our
budget
to
provide
those
supports,
but
and
we'll
of
course,
continue
to
to
keep
our
eye
on
it,
as
we
move
forward
over
the
years
to
make
sure
that
our
seniors
are
getting
these.
These
great
supports
in
our
community,
but
there's
also
a
commitment
to
addressing
challenges
for
for
seniors
in
this
budget
in
other
areas
as
well.
Of
course,
we
very
index
Senior
Benefits.
K
I'd
like
to
move
on
to
7.4,
now
seniors
Community
grants,
so
this
funding
was
3
million
under
the
NDP
government,
but
when
the
UCP
became
government
they
slashed
it
to
900,
000
and
I
see
they
have
increased
it
now
in
the
budget
to
2
million-
and
you
know
similar
to
what
I
shared
earlier
supporting
seniors
to
age
in
their
communities
is
a
sort
of
an
overwhelmingly
agreed
upon
goal
with
us
and
the
opposition
as
the
opposition
and
the
UCP
government.
K
So
you
know
this
area
again
is
something
that
really
needs
to
be
enhanced,
and
we
know
that
people
who
are
living
in
their
own
homes,
they
must
have
supports
through
Community
agencies.
We
know
that
if
people
aren't
connected
and
people
aren't
connected
and
and
we're
all
social
creatures,
we
need
to
be
meeting
with
people
interacting.
K
K
So
this
is
as
such,
an
important
piece
about
investing
in
communities,
and
so
even
though
the
UCP
you
know
had
slashed
it
down
to
900
000,
they
are
increasing
it
a
little
bit
here,
but
this
area
again
needs
to
really
be
beefed
up
significantly
so
I,
like
the
minister,
just
to
answer
that.
I
I
I
was
door,
knocking
the
other
day
and
my
constituency
and
was
invited
into
a
home,
and
we
chatted
for
about
an
hour
and
a
half
I
found
out
that
I
was
the
first
person
she
had
welcomed
into
her
home
since
the
pandemic
had
started
and
that
she
had
grocery
stepped
off
and
she
expressed
deep
concern
of
loneliness
for
her
mental
health
and
so
having,
and
that's
just
one
story
of
many
I'm
sure
you've
heard
as
well
so
having
stronger
supports
in
the
community
to
help
bring
seniors
together
and
and
is
so
critical
and
I.
I
Think
you
see
that
that
commitment,
seeing
the
budget
increase
from
900
to
to
2000
there
is
as
a
demonstration
of
that
commitment
and
we've
also
increased
funding
for
fcss,
which
will
also
help
provide
additional
dollars
to
help
support
seniors
of
the
community
and
allow
for
local
communities
to
figure
out
how
do
they
best
Target
those
sources
to
to
support
seniors
and
individuals
in
their
communities.
D
Thank
you,
madam
chair
I've
got
some
questions
about
employment
and
income.
Support.
Alberta's
economy
is
recovering,
which
is
exciting
to
see
as
more
albertans
get
back
to
work.
The
ministry
of
seniors
community
and
Social
Services
Income
Support
Program
is
providing
more
resources
and
opportunities
for
employment,
training
and
jobs.
As
seen
on
page
160
or
185
of
the
government
estimates
for
Budget
20
20
23
24
under
line
item
two,
the
employment
and
income
support
budget
item
bit
budget
line
for
20
23
24
is
804.4
million.
D
This
government
is
investing
more
than
95
million
in
career
and
employment
services.
Ensuring
albertans
who
are
looking
for
work,
have
access
to
the
resources
and
tools
they
need
to
gain
new
skills
and
rejoin
the
workforce.
So
my
question
is:
what
are
the
anticipated
outcomes
for
albertans
and
communities
with
the
investment
in
these
programs?.
I
Excellent
I
appreciate
the
question
and
I
think
this
is
tied
in
large
part
too,
to
the
conversation
we
were
having
before
the
break
as
well
as,
as
we
see
economic
success
in
our
Province,
the
the
demand
for
resources
like
Income
Support
go
down,
and
even
even
when
we're
seeing
record
numbers
of
people
pouring
into
our
profits
we're
seeing
demand
for
this
go
down,
and
that's
because
there's
increased
opportunity
for
albertans
to
be
able
to
find
employment
and,
as
well,
I
think
some
excellent
work
being
done
within
the
ministry
to
help
connect
people
to
employment,
to
help
with
training
and
training
opportunities,
which
is
what
we
see
here
with
this
95
million
dollar
investment.
I
You
know
when
I
talk
to
people
who
are
struggling,
our
community
they're
looking
for
work,
they're
looking
for
ways
to
feed
their
family
and
and
to
find
a
a
way
to
contribute
within
their
communities
in
a
way
that
that's
dignified
and
that
they're
passionate
about,
and
so
this
investment
is
really
about,
helping
people
to
to
gain
access
to
to
training
or
whatever
else
they
need
to
find
meaningful
employment
within
their
community.
I
And
our
goal
should
be
continue
to
help
reduce
that
that
list,
people
who
are
reliant
on
income
support
as
they
are
finding
meaningful
ways
to
be
able
to
contribute
and
connect
in
their
community
Through
employment.
D
Thank
you,
and
through
you,
madam
chair
to
the
minister,
I'm,
also
I'm
interested
in
as
you've
had
so
much
experience
in
this
in
this
sector.
D
How
how
important
it
is,
is
it
for
for
albertans
to
be
able
to
have
a
good
paying
job
for
their
mental
health
for
their
self-confidence,
I
mean
you've
seen
this
up
close
and
personal.
How
important
is
that
to
someone
trying
to
be
able
to
make
something
of
their
lives
and
get
back
on
on
track?
I.
I
Think
it's
absolutely
critical,
I
think
we're
all
you
know.
Obviously
we
need
Community,
as
we've
talked
about
already
today,
and
a
way
to
connect
within
Community
to
find
a
place
of
belonging,
but
a
big
part
of
that
as
well
is
work
and
finding
a
place
of
purpose
and
to
be
able
to
contribute
and
give
back
in
society.
I
I
think
we
all
desire
that,
and
certainly
I've
seen,
that
with
the
individuals
that
I've
worked
with
over
the
years
and
I
have
seen
people
who
have
faced
or
faced
absolutely
amazing
barriers
and
obstacles
to
employment,
overcome
that
and
be
able
to
find
ways
to
connect
and
just
watching
and
seeing
a
sense
of
pride
and
joy
in
individuals
as
they're
able
to
do
that
and
I'm
sure
you,
as
well
as
AI
when
I'm
door,
knocking
the
community
and
find
people
who
have
been
stuck
at
home
and
on
the
couch
and
for
a
long
period
of
time.
I
That's
also
depressing
and
not
good
for
one's
mental
health
and
just
the
other
day
I
was
door.
I
Knocking
and
I
talked
to
a
mother
who
was
so
excited
to
see
me
at
the
door
because
she
wanted
to
tell
me
that
her
son,
who
she
had
told
me
about
last
time,
I,
was
if
I
had
found
work
in
his
field,
and
you
know
he
she
just
lit
up
and
was
telling
me
about
where
he
was
at
and
before
he
was
depressed
and
and
facing
many
challenges
and
now
he's
excited
and
has
a
renewed
Vigor
for
life.
And
you
know
it's
it's
exciting
and
it's
good
and
I
think.
I
D
So
my
wife
loves
holistic
medicine.
She
loves
holistic
approaches
to
systems,
and
this
is
you
know
the
the
government
has
actually
talked
about
the
recovery-oriented
system
of
care.
How
does
this
integrate
with
the
programs
that
you're
I
know
that
there's
a
different
Ministry
for
that?
But
how
does
this
integrate
in
a
holistic
approach
to
vehicle
to
help?
You
know
Society
on
whole.
I
Yeah
well,
I
mean
again.
When
we
talk
about
homelessness.
You
know
people
often
who
are
experiencing
homelessness.
The
the
reasons
why
they
ended
up
experiencing
homelessness
started
long
before
that
and
it's
in
community,
and
so
efforts
towards
prevention.
Efforts
towards
improving
mental
health
and
addiction.
Sports
Community
are
important
to
make
sure
that
individuals
can
get
access
to
that
that
care,
but
also
efforts
towards
helping
people
who
are
struggling
to
find
and
maintain
employment
will
also
be
critical
in
helping
prevent
people
from
Ever.
I
Having
to
experience
homelessness
and
again,
I
mean
mentioning
the
concern
about
one's
mental
health
and
and
wellness
again
when
you're
struggling
to
fight
employment
and
the
the
defeat
that
that
brings
for
an
individual
is
is
hard,
and
so
that's,
why
again
why
these
programs
are
so
critical
in
helping
people
to
to
find
that
connection
in
their
community
and
be
able
to
access
employment
and
the
sense
of
Pride
and
dignity
and
mental
Wellness
that
comes
with
that
and
and
there's
so
many
other
things
that
that
come
with
unemployment
that
create
other
challenges
in
our
community
as
well,
that
this
addresses.
D
And
one
of
the
things
that
I
liked
about
the
recovery
oriented
system
of
care
was
that
employment
part
where
they
they
kind
of
finished
the
equation.
You
know
it
helped
people
to
feel
like
you
know
what
I'm
not
just
going
to
be
able
to
you
know
could
just
help
me
get
out
of
you
know,
drug
addictions
or
whatever
the
struggles
that
they're
having,
but
it
actually
helped
them
to
be
able
to
actually
feel
some
excitement
about
the
future
and
being
able
to
build
something
for
themselves.
D
Maybe
a
family
or
whatever
their
goals
are
how
how
how
have
you
seen
have
you
have
you
been
able
I
know
you
work
with
that
Ministry
very
closely?
I
I
appreciate
that
we're
not
meant
to
do
this
alone,
and
so
it's
important
that,
where
we've
seen
systems
that
work
in
the
past,
when,
when
you
make
that
decision
for
Recovery
that
you're
able
to
get
into
detox
or
treatment,
but
that
you're
not
just
left
after
that
and
that
you're
brought
into
a
broader
community
that
can
wrap
around
you,
but
also
that
you
have
a
way
to
contribute
and
be
a
part
of
that.
I
Community
I
think
is
really
important
for
one's
mental
wellness
and
and
ability
to
maintain
recovery
as
well,
and
so
employment
or
volunteering
or
whatever
you're
able
to
do,
is
really
critical
for
individuals,
overall
recovery
journey
and
sense
of
belonging
and
purpose
within
the
community.
So
it's
absolutely
critical
to
the
overall
strategy.
Thank.
D
You
Minister
and
thank
you,
madam
chair
I,
want
to
just
talk
about
your
key
objective,
1.3
and
modernizing
and
digitizing
the
financial
support
systems
as
the
old
red
tape,
production,
Minister
I
remember
getting
the
the
goal
to
to
be
100
digitized
and
be
able
to
make
it.
So
we
don't
have
as
much
red
tape
for
our
for
our
staff
out
there
in
the
trenches.
Can
the
minister
update
us
on
the
progress
of
this
program,
the
modernization
efforts
that
that
are
happening.
I
Yeah,
so
there's
been
significant
progress
made
on
this
front,
but
before
I
talk
about
those
again
emphasizing
the
importance
you
know
as
we
talk
to
individuals
who
are
vulnerable
in
our
communities
and
their
experience
interfacing
with
us
on
the
the
challenges,
of
course,
is
somebody
who
used
to
be
an
advocate
and
you
sit
down
with
people,
fill
up
their
Stacks
and
stacks
of
paperwork
in
order
to
access
resources
and,
and
myself
struggling
with
this,
you
know
the
expectation
for
individuals
who
are
vulnerable
in
our
community.
I
It's
that
much
harder
right
and
so
making
sure
that
we
have
an
interface,
that's
user
friendly
at
the
end
of
the
day.
This
is
about
making
sure
that
the
the
person
who
needs
to
access
those
resources
and
supports
are
getting
getting
those
resources
and
supports.
So
there's
been
significant
work,
of
course,
in
in
modernizing
and
digitizing
and
reducing
those
barriers
for
people
to
be
able
to
access.
I
So
we
launched
our
online
application
for
both
H
and
Imports,
and
we've
received
good
feedback
so
far
in
January
2023,
the
fscd
program
moved
from
paper
assessment
to
a
needs
tool
to
a
digital
tool
which
is
creating
efficiencies
for
caseworkers
and
streamlining
the
process
for
for
families.
So
some
great
work
on
that
front
and
I
think
there's
there's
more
work
that
can
be
done
as
we're
helping
people
to
have
an
easier,
better
experience
in
regards
to
navigating
these
resources
and
supports
q.
D
And
one
last
question
here
really
quickly
how
many
of
these
Services
have
been
digitized
so
far,
and
how
many
did
they
expect
to
get
done
by
the
end
of
2020
324.
I
So,
with
investments
in
Innovative
digital
Solutions,
we
will
streamline
our
processes
and
increase
consistency,
so
families
I
have
a
similar
experience,
regardless
of
where
they're
from
we've
talked
about
that
specific
actions
are
taken.
Take
increased
access
to
Services
include
this
answers.
The
specifics,
but
we
are
at.
We
have
H
income
support.
Thank.
B
J
J
Sorry,
okay,
I,
have
a
quick
question
about
Minister.
J
To
the
minister,
through
the
chair,
can
I
get
a
number
of
the
family
exemptions
that
were
approved
for
a
family,
managed
support
contracts
through
PDD
and
by
Family
exemptions,
I
mean
so
there
is
a
rule
that
family
members
cannot
be
the
caregivers
of
people
with
disabilities,
obviously
that
are
that
have
a
PDD
contract,
so
I'm.
Looking
for
the
number
of
exemptions
that
were
granted
last
year,.
I
J
I
think
it
has
a
lot
to
do
with
going
forward
about
the
contracts
I'm
asking
about
the
context
of
the
family,
managed
support
contracts
right,
and
so,
if
there
is
an
exemption
for
a
family
member
to
be
the
provider,
I
think
it
is
important
to
know
what
what
the
number
of
exemptions
are.
I,
don't
I,
don't
honestly
amount
of
chair
I,
don't
know
why
this
is
a
big
issue
just
about
planning
for
the
next
year.
It's
about
projecting
how
much
this
department
will
cost
it's
just
basic
information
manager
he'd,
rather
not
answer
that.
I
J
J
50
funding
by
region
so
for
the
total
amount
for
the
fetal
alcohol,
Spectrum
Disorder
initiatives
that
would
be
line
4.6.
So
there
are
a
number
of
regions.
Obviously,
if
we
could
get
like
a
regional
breakdown
of
that
funding,.
I
J
I
J
So
Madam
chair
just
so
unclear
on
this,
so
there
was
an
additional
you
know
some
money
in
this
line
and
that
was
to
fill
vacancies
appeal
panel
vacancies.
Is
that
correct.
I
Yet
we're
filling
several
vacant
positions,
there
was
a
decline,
so
during
the
pandemic,
of
course,
there
was
less
people
requiring
appeals,
so
we
were
able
to
manage
that
and
now
we're
increasing
it,
because
we
do
expect
that
that
will
increase.
Now
that
we've
moved
toward.
J
I
J
Great
now,
I'm
sure
you
know
Bill
Secretariat,
there's
well,
there's
actually
no
metrics
or
no
targets
or
objectives
in
the
business
plan
for
the
appeal
Secretariat
Madam
chair,
and
so
you
know,
there's
really
not
much
for
us
to
measure.
There
won't
be
anything
a
year
from
now
to
even
look
back
and
measure,
but
I
think
the
work
of
the
appeal
Secretariat
is
enormously
important
when
we
just
look
at
the
numbers
of
applications
that
receive
a
no
answer
and
then,
for
whatever
reason,
go
through
appeal.
J
So
appeal
is
very
important
not
just
for
aiation
cup
support,
but
also
for
programs
like
PDD
and
so
I'm.
Just
curious
like
why
there
are
no
metrics
at
all
for
the
appeal,
Secretariat
and
then
I'm
wondering
if
the
minister
could
break
down
the
appeal
numbers
for
us
so
how
many
appeals
over
the
last
year.
So
we
get
a
sense
of
what's
coming,
how
many
appeals
were
related
to
clawbacks?
C
Thank
you
Minister,
thank
you
chair,
so,
just
on
on
the
appeals
there's
for
last
year,.
C
Oh
I'm,
sorry,
I'm,
Sean,
Petty
assistant,
Deputy,
minister
of
strategic
services,
so
I
believe.
The
question
was
how
many
appeals,
for
there
was
a
four
Asian
and
other
programs.
So
we
only
have
data
up
to
January
31st,
so
we
don't
have
a
full
fiscal
to
fiscal
year.
So
for
H
the
number
of
appeals
only
were
four
1447.
J
Related
to
the
thought,
a
report
from
the
ombudsman's
office,
talking
about
the
appeals
and
I
think
the
Ombudsman
Madam
chair
was
very
clear
about
the
lack
of
accommodation
for
appellants
through
this
process
now
I
remember
in
question
period
somebody
answering
and
saying.
Yes,
we
accept
all
of
the
recommendations
that
are
made,
which
is
great,
so
I'm
just
wondering
if
the
minister
could
tell
us
what
work
will
be
undertaken
by
appeals
or
what's
been
done
already,
to
address
the
lack
of
accommodation
in
the
appeal
process.
C
Thank
you
for
the
question:
Sean
Petty
ADM
strategic
services,
so
we
worked
with
Ops
one
Osborne
on
a
quarterly
basis
on
these
on
these
issues,
and
so
some
of
the
some
of
the
issues
were
that
accessibility
and
so
with
covid
it
we
we
went
to
a
full
off
online
process
and
now
we're
back
into
a
hybrid
system.
We
find
that
the
for
the
appealands
that
the
online
is
is
still
that
bit
of
that
distance
type
of
approach.
C
That
I
think
some
feel
that
they're
not
getting
a
fair
hearing,
and
so
we
we
have
both
both
the
online
process
and
the
online
process
to
do
to
do
to
do
hearing
so
can.
J
I
see
it
so
have
there
there
been
any
like
structural
changes
to
the
process,
so
I
think
the
Ombudsman
sort
of
described
that
there
wasn't
a
period
of
time
where
the
directors
representative
or
the
director
I
guess
said.
Do
you
require
accommodation?
It
was
almost
the
opposite
that
the
appellant
was
required
to
say
I'm,
deaf
I
need
money,
or
you
know
I'm
blind
I
can't
do
this
or
so
has
that
sort
of
process
changed.
C
So
we're
we're
trying
to
work
again
making
sure
that
the
staff
that
are
aware
of
these
issues
that
they
understand
the
client
and
understand
who
they're
dealing
with
so
that,
whether
it's
for
folks
with
with
these
disabilities,
that
they
they
understand
how
and
how
to
address
those.
So
they
get
a
fair
hearing.
J
Something
structurally
changed
about
sort
of
the
time
leading
up
to
the
two
that
would
indicate
that
would
gather
the
information.
Here's,
what
I
need
in
terms
of
accommodation,
because
there
wasn't
any
formal
process
before
I'm
just
like
I'm,
just
looking
for
an
answer
like
is
there
a
structural
change?
That's
happened,
no.
C
And
and
I
I
guess
I
would
just
follow
up
that
we
have
enhanced
some
of
our
training
so
for
folks
that
are
working
with
with
these
communities
that
they
are
now.
Where
more
aware
of
these
issues
than
I
think
they
had
been
before.
J
F
Very
much
chair,
so
I've
got
some
questions
for
them.
First
off
just
want
to
Echo
some
of
the
comments
of
my
colleagues
about.
F
F
But
on
page
189
in
the
2023-24
government
estimate,
25.7
provide
affordability,
payment.
I
Burton
excellent,
thank
you
through
the
chair
to
the
member
for
for
her
kind
words
and
her
question
and
as
well
as
her
passion,
of
course,
working
with
her
closely
on
the
domestic
violence
piece
as
well
as
sexual
violence,
and
seeing
firsthand
hurt
direct
compassion
and
Care
on
these
issues
and
a
great
partnership
with
the
not-for-profit
work
that
she's
been
doing
as
well.
So,
thank
you.
I
You
know
and
I
know
the
member
sees
this
as
well
and
as
she's
been
out
of
the
doors,
the
challenges
that
many
albertans
have
been
facing
in
our
community
and,
as
I
said
earlier,
I
mean
especially
for
those
who
are
most
vulnerable
in
our
community
for
folks
with
disabilities
for
seniors,
the
cost
of
living
and
inflation,
which
again
is
is
not
due
to
the
government
but
but
larger
challenges
nationally
and
globally
have
had
a
significant
impact
on
people
in
our
communities,
and
so
my
role
in
the
affordability
plan
was
to
make
sure
that
people
who
are
most
need
are
most
vulnerable
in
our
community,
we're
getting
access
to
resources
and
supports
so
that
they
could
get
through
and
and
of
course,
that's.
I
What
we're
seeing
here
in
budget
2023
and
2024
so,
and
we
know
how
critical
it
is
so
the
biggest
thing
and
and
again
most
exciting
for
me-
was
the
the
indexing
of
of
age
income
support
and
Senior
Benefits,
knowing
that
that
not
only
will
the
impact
of
an
extra
for
people
in
age,
for
example,
a
hundred
dollars
a
year
have
an
impact
on
their
monthly
lives.
I
You
know,
I
was
knocking
on
the
door
the
other
day
and
there
was
two
individuals
in
the
house
that
relied
on
a
sh
and
they
invited
me,
and
they
were
so
excited
to
see
me
I'm
so
thankful
and
because
of
the
impact
that
that's
had
already
for
them.
So
we
know
that
that
will
have
an
impact,
but
not
only
again.
I
Not
only
is
that
going
to
impact
them
today,
but
we're
not
going
to
have
to
wait
five,
six,
seven
ten
years
to
see
a
bump
again
watching
them
slowly
get
priced
out,
but
that
that
now
is
going
to
increase
year
over
year
as
the
cost
of
living
gets
more
expensive.
They're
going
to
be
able
to
keep
up
so
that
I
think
is
is
huge.
I
As
well
as
for
for
Senior
Benefits-
and
you
know
the
increase,
there
is
an
extra
meal
on
the
table
and
one
less
difficult
decision
that
they're
gonna
have
to
make
regards
to
paying
their
bills
and
so
obviously
very
important,
and
we
know
that
the
impact
of
the
extra
hundred
dollars
a
month
over
the
next
six
months
is
going
to
have
a
profound
impact
as
well
in
getting
through
this
immediate
crisis.
But
we
also
are
looking
at
addressing
some
of
the
larger
issues.
Of
course,
the
the
funding
for
food
bank
has
been
mentioned.
I
We
know
in
the
immediacy
of
this
crisis.
Many
people
are
left
in
a
situation
where
they
can't
afford
groceries,
as
groceries
have
gone
through
the
roof,
and
so
that
increased
access
for
food,
I
think
is
going
to
be
critical
in
in
making
sure
that
that
people
have
food
on
their
table
and
the
low
income
transit
pass
as
well.
I
think,
finally
find
innovative
ways
to
continue
to
help
people
access
their
communities,
not
just
employment,
but
but
health
and
and
community
and
social
supports,
is
very
important
and
I.
F
Next
minister
I'd
like
to
talk
a
little
bit
about
homeless,
shelters
and
the
budget,
we
know
that
across
Alberta
we've
seen
the
challenge.
F
F
I
I
appreciate
the
question
and
I'm
going
to
start
off
where
I
left
off
in
regards
to
the
10
increase
for
for
homeless,
shelters
for
Staffing,
as
well
as
for
administration
and
other
deal
with
you
know
when
you're
working
with
people
who
are
at
risk
are
very
vulnerable.
Consistency
is,
is
very
important
and
when
I
heard
from
a
lot
of
the
homeless,
shelter
providers,
it
is
the
challenge
of
keeping
staff
and
staff
cycling
in
and
out
and
due
to
no
fault
of
their
own
I
mean
they're
there.
I
They
need
to
go
to
and
make
the
best
decisions
for
the
family
to
be
able
to
pay
their
bills,
but
when
you're
working
constantly
in
crisis,
which
which
is
very
much
what
it
means
to
working
on
the
shelter
making
sure
staff
that
are
paid
well,
that
that
are
being
cared
for
as
well
as
their
own
personal
mental
health
is
very
critical
and
I.
Think
that'll
go
a
long
way
in
helping
do
that
and
create
the
consistency
and
the
stableness
and
having
employees
that
are
trained
and
know
what
they're
doing.
I
But
more
than
that
know
the
clients
that
they're
working
with
and
I
think.
That's
going
to
go
a
long
way,
improving
overall
supports
for
individuals
who
are
experiencing
homelessness
that
rely
on
these
services.
So
that's
a
big
part
of
it,
and
and
of
course,
when
coming
out
of
the
action
plan,
we've
learned
a
lot,
and
so
one
of
the
the
things
of
course
was
the
24
7
supports.
I
I
We
would
keep
them
in
during
the
day
and
they
would
work
with
the
advocate
or
the
housing,
rapid
housing
person
or
whoever
to
help
access
resources
and
supports,
and
so
by
allowing
for
more
access
to
24
7
shelter,
not
only
keeping
people
out
off
the
street
when
it's
cold
out,
but
you're,
also
giving
them
the
opportunity
to
work
hand
in
hand
with
shelter,
workers
and
Advocates
and
and
others
to
be
able
to
address
the
reasons
why
somebody's,
maintaining
or
stuck
in
homelessness
and
be
able
to
help
them
move
beyond
that
which
I
think
is
going
to
be
really
help.
I
Of
course,
expanding
the
implementation
of
our
shelter
Hub
service
model
is
going
to
also
work
towards
providing
more
opportunity
for
people
to
be
able
to
connect
with
health
supports
and
housing
and
recovery,
and
a
number
of
other
resources
that
are
around
them.
Just
creating
more
avenues
for
people
to
be
able
to
connect,
with
the
supports
that
they're
going
to
need
to
be
able
to
move
Beyond
homelessness
and
yeah.
F
I
I
just
wanted
to
mention
as
well.
I
know
you've
spent
time
touring
many
of
these
shelters
and.
K
Thank
you,
madam
chair,
so
I
just
want
to
talk
about
housing
now,
so
we
know
that
Alberta's
rate
of
social
housing
is
just
2.9
percent,
whereas
for
Canada
as
a
whole,
it's
4.2.
So
we
know
that
we
have
much
less
than
others
jurisdictions
and
so
that's
a
significant
issue
in
line
9.2
assistance
to
Alberta
social
housing,
Corporation,
the
housing
management
bodies-
and
you
know,
there's
close
to
90
of
these
housing
management
bodies
that
provide
local,
affordable
housing
to
Alberts
all
across
the
province.
They
do
exemplary
work,
very
limited
budgets.
K
It's
extraordinary
and
you
know
I
was
so
disheartened
by
this
budget
to
see
that
they
are
flatlined.
There's
no
increase
in
operational
funding
in
this
line
for
them,
and
just
like
the
rest
of
us,
inflation
is
high.
We
know
their
insurance
rates
are
increasing
dramatically
utilities,
groceries
all
the
things
that
we
need
to
be
able
to
provide
housing.
You
know
these
are
the
lodge
program.
You
know
these
are
affordable
housing
providers
and
oftentimes,
it's
the
Deep
subsidy.
K
Having
that
those
same
staff
support
people
is
key,
especially
with
the
senior
population,
so
I'm,
just
I,
guess
confused
by
what
I've
just
heard
from
the
minister
that
this
particular
area
of
housing
is
not
being
supported
by
this
government
and
so
I
guess.
I
just
want
to
understand
why
that
is
through
the
gym.
I
Excellent
thank
you
chair
and
to
the
member
for
her
question
and
her
continued
advocacy
for
housing.
We
we
know
how
important
this
is
and
I
think
again,
an
area
where
I
think
we
can
find
alignment.
There's
been
a
challenge,
of
course,
as
we've
seen
our
Province
and
and
talking
about
economic
success.
This
is
this.
I
The
byproducts
is,
we've
seen
a
significant
decline,
decline,
availability
of
affordable
rental
right
across
the
province
and
especially
in
some
of
our
more
Rural
and
remote
areas,
as
we
saw
many
people
move
out
of
the
Cities
during
the
pandemic
and
create
different
challenges.
So
this
is
a
complex
issue
that
one
that
we're
certainly
dedicated
on
and
I.
Think
budget
2023
2024
demonstrates
a
strong
commitment
to
to
building
and
and
maintaining
and
improving
current
affordable
housing
supply
for
for
individuals
in
our
community.
I
The
the
question
I
believe
was
about
9.2
operational
funding.
Yeah
9.2.
Did
you
not
reference?
9.2
Alberta.
I
I
Thank
you
members,
so
this
is
about
cash
flow.
This
line
item.
This
doesn't
show
that
there's
what
we're
doing
to
support
affordable
housing
units
across
the
province
and
then
certainly
look
at
other
budget
line
items
here,
we're
seeing
significant
increases
so
that
we
can
improve
and
increase
the
supply
of
affordable
housing.
But
really
the
this
element
provides
all
the
provincial
operating
funding
required
to
the
Alberta
social
housing
Corporation
to
run
its
programs.
I
We
have
adjusted
this
grant
this
year
to
reflect
the
program
approvals
of
rent,
supplement
and
strategy,
while
removing
the
additional
spent
covert
related
pressures
on
senior
lodges
if
covert
related
pressures
continue.
Of
course,
there
will
be
supports
there,
but
this
is
really
about
managing
cash
flows,
not
about
reducing
supports.
K
Thank
you,
madam
chair,
well.
I
certainly
have
spoken
to
many
people
in
the
sector,
and
you
know
I
just
encourage
the
minister
to
do
that
too,
because
they
have
no
increase
in
their
operational
funding
in
this
budget.
So
I
want
to
talk
again
this
line
item
and
you
just
referred
to
it.
The
red
supplement
program.
K
Of
course
the
UCP
slash
this
program
and
their
first
budget
by
24,
and
this
meant
it
took
the
UCP
about
two
years
before
they
actually,
you
know
started
to
address
this
issue
again
and,
of
course,
this
is
during
the
pandemic,
when
many
people
did
not
have
access
to
affordable
housing,
we're
in
tough
economic
position,
but
the
federal
government
did
have
the
Canada
housing
benefit,
which
was
a
matching
program
where
provinces
are
supposed
to.
K
You
know
match
the
money
that
the
feds
give,
and
so
sadly,
instead
of
increasing
the
dollars
available
to
albertans,
the
UCP
government
used
that
24
that
they
slashed
so
that
it
was
status
quo
for
Alberta.
It
wasn't
an
increase
which
is
quite
disturbing.
Madam,
chair,
I,
know
from
talking
to
many
affordable
housing
advocates
that
they're
very
disappointed.
K
Albertans
didn't
receive
this
bump.
I
mean
this
is
the
purpose
of
this
program,
but
Alberta
sort
of
you
know
played
a
bit
of
a
shell
game
with
the
numbers
and
therefore
people
did
not
have
the
rent
supplement
that
they
need
it's,
certainly
at
a
time
when
they
did
it
during
the
pandemic
and
really
a
two-year
delay.
It
took
the
the
ministry
so
long
to
sign
the
agreement
with
the
federal
government
was
one
of
the
latest
provinces
to
do
that.
K
So
I
just
want
the
minister
to
tell
me
right
now
how
many
people
in
Alberta
are
currently
on
the
wait
list
for
the
rent
supplement
program.
I
I
So
that's
an
increase
and
I
think
that's
good
news
for
albertans
in
regards
to
the
rent,
supplemental
program,
I
think
what
we've
seen
in
the
past
is
just
because
there's
a
line
item
doesn't
necessarily
mean
that
we're
getting
the
supports
to
people
who
need
it
and
I
will
remind
the
member
that,
while
they
were
in
government,
we
saw
the
housing
wait
list
go
up,
I
think
was
78
percent
and
under
this
government,
with
this
action
plan
with
money
being
spent
in
a
way,
that's
actually
going
to
get
more
units
built
has
started
to
see
that
wait
list
decline.
I
So
when
we
take
a
look
at
outcomes
which
I
know
is
important
to
the
members
earlier,
we
are
seeing
those
outcomes,
and
this
is
while
we're
seeing
record
growth
and
a
significant
amount
of
people
flooding
into
the
province,
we're
starting
to
see
that
wait
list
that
they
created
to
start
to
decline.
So
it's
working.
We
all
know
that
there's
still
a
lot
more
to
do
and
that's
what
is
the
good
news
about
budget
23,
2020.
I
K
So
I'd
like
to
move
on
to
the
fiscal
plan,
Capital
maintenance
and
renewal-
and
we
know
that
the
UCB
cut
this
budget
32
percent
over
three
years,
starting
in
their
first
budget,
and
you
know
there
is
significant
age
stock
in
Alberta
and
again
these
are
mostly
the
housing
management
bodies
who
need
this
kind
of
support
and
I
mean
it's
pretty
much
fallen
off
a
cliff.
Now
the
investment
in
this
area
and
I
just
really
know
that
there's
so
significant
issues
units
have
to
be
closed.
K
Perhaps
some
units
have
come
back
to
the
government,
because
housing
management
bodies
just
can't
manage
that
I
mean
it's
making
housing
management
bodies
into
slum
landlords,
because
they
cannot
invest
and
support
renewal
or
turnover
units
when
people
move
out,
and
so
this
is
a
significant
issue
and
I
just
would
like
the
minister
to
tell
everyone.
So
business
plans
are
given
each
year
to
the
minister
from
these
housing
management
bodies.
How
much
was
the
aggregate,
Capital
maintenance
and
renewal
from
all
those
management
bodies.
I
Then
the
the
commitment,
of
course,
is
to
making
sure
that
we're
maintaining
housing.
You
know
critical,
that
people
have
a
quality
safe
place
to
live,
and
that's
why
we
are
including
94
million
dollars
over
the
next
three
years
for
Capital
maintenance
and
renewal
to
be
able
to
support
social
housing
across
the
province.
This
is
an
increase
from
last
year's
budget
and
I.
Think
further
demonstration
of
this
government's
commitment
to
making
sure
that
we're
upholding
and
keeping
these
housing
units
in
in
good
repair
for
future
through.
K
So,
even
if
there's
some
millions
in
there,
it's
lashed
significantly
disregard
that
I
just
want
to
go
on
to
the
fiscal
plan,
the
affordable,
Housing
Partnership
program-
and
certainly
you
know
the
minister
talks
about
his
10-year
plan,
but
what
we
know
and
I'm
just
referencing
the
seniors
in
housing
annual
reports
from
the
last
year,
the
net
NDP
was
government
Madam
chair
up
until
the
most
recent
report,
and
we
see
that
there
has
been
a
decrease
in
the
affordable
housing
by
8239
units.
K
K
You
know
investment
that
the
minister
says
they're
doing
they've
sort
of
let
the
ball
drop
for
quite
a
quite
a
period
of
time
that
this
ministry
has
that
this
government
has
been
in
charge
so
I
mean
that
is
the
reality
of
it
and
I
guess
my
big
question
about
this
new
plan,
this
10-year
plan,
how
many
of
those
units
will
be
rent
geared
to
income
sort
of
social
housing,
deep
subsidy,
because
that's
been
missing
an
action
under
this
government,
it's
all
just
below
Market.
You
know,
and
people
need
that
deep.
Thank.
B
You
so
much
remember
we'll
head
back
over
to
the
government
side.
F
Thank
you
so,
through
the
chair
to
the
minister,
I'd
like
to
touch
next
a
little
bit.
F
Noel
Burtons
have
spoken
about
the
need
to
improve
access
to
Disability
Services
the
need
for
increased
funding
for
Frontline
worker
wages,
better
supporting
service
providers
and
increased
funding,
tackle
the
PDD
wait
list.
I
know
sometimes
hear
in
my
constituency
about
that
from
from
some
of
my
constituents
technically
it's.
These
are
some
of
the
issues
again
that
we're
hearing
about
from
our
constituents.
F
So
if
I
could
direct
your
attention
again
to
page
185
of
the
government
estimates
spine
item
4.2,
we
see
the
investment
in
PDD
supports
for
albertans
is
1.1
stillion
dollars
and
11
percent
or
116.3
million
dollar
increase
from
budget
2022.
I've
got
a
few
questions
on
that
I
guess
the
first
one
would
be.
F
How
will
the
increased
funding
benefit
people
with
disabilities
and
how
going
to
improve
services
and.
I
Service
you
know,
I
can
answer
that.
Really
simply
it's
going
to
be
huge.
We
know
how
impactful
this
is
going
to
be
because
we've
heard
it
and
I
know
that
a
number
of
you
on
both
sides
of
the
the
table
have
been
advocating
for
PDD
service
providers
in
their
Community
I
know,
we've
had
a
number
of
conversations.
I
Honorable
Armstrong
comedy
can
about
service
providers
in
your
community,
and
this
has
been
such
a
great
need
over
there
that's
been
compiling
over
the
last
10
years
and
and
sadly
a
sector
that
has
not
been
given
the
attention
that
it
that
it
needed
and
deserved
and
has
was
in
complete
for
lack
of
a
better
word
chaos.
You
know,
there's
very
difficult.
I
So
this
is
going
to
go
a
long
way
in
helping
first
of
all,
retain
and
maintain
quality
staff
and
providing
that
consistency
of
staff
for
for
individuals
that
need
it
and
making
the
the
career
the
profession
one
that's
desirable
for
new
people
that
are
looking
at
you
know,
or
for
young
people
they're
looking
at
a
career
path
and
going
you
know,
especially
in
the
compassion
field
that
they
can
go.
Okay,
I
want
to
do
that.
I
can
also
feed
my
family.
I
Doing
that
and-
and
let's
go
do
that
so
I
think
that's
going
to
go
a
long
way
in
building
the
sector.
I
think
we
still
have
lots
to
do
and
certainly
am
excited
about
working
with
the
disability
sector,
as
we
go
forward
to
figure
out
how
do
we
help
improve
working
conditions
and
supports
for
employees
and
that
we
just
drop
this
and
wait
10
years
that
this
is
becomes
an
ongoing
commitment
to
working
with
the
sector
to
create
a
strong,
competent,
capable
qualified,
compassionate
Workforce
to
care
for
for
our
most
vulnerable.
I
So
I
I
think
that
this
is
going
to
go
a
long
way
in
that
regard.
There's
also
increased
spending
here
to
address
capacity
issues
so
that
we
can
increase
Services
across
the
province
and
and
be
able
to
provide
support
for
those
who
aren't
getting
it
right
now
and
help
provide
that
relief
for
the
families
and
other
systems,
health
care
and
Justice
that
have
had
to
pick
up
the
slack
so
that
we
can
make
sure
that
people
are
being
cared
for
and
and
not
I.
Think
the
earlier
you
can.
F
Animation,
can
you
talk
a
little
bit
about
what
investment.
I
Absolutely
so
again
that
early
support
in
making
sure
reducing
wait
times
is
going
to
be
so
critical
and
helps
alleviate
pressures
on
other
other
systems
as
well
and
family
units
on
on
Justice
on
health
and
so
to
address
wait
times
for
PDD
Services
budget
2023
provides
37
million
to
to
that
end
and
I
want
to
be
clear.
I
But
we
need
to
hire
more
staff
work
with
service
providers
to
increase
in
capacity
and
to
be
able
to
support
clients.
You
know
the
challenge
here
is
the
workforce
has
taken
ahead
over
the
years,
and
this
is
again
about
building
up
the
the
sector
as
a
viable
career
path
in
in
enticing
young
people
and
and
others
to
be
able
to
come
into
the
sector
and
see
it
as
a
great
place
to
to
build
a
career.
I
We
understand
demand
for
the
PDD
program
will
continue
to
outpace
available
funding,
so
we're
also
working
towards
making
operational
and
program
in
sure
that
there's
longer
term
sustainability.
Here
for
everyone,
we
have
been
working
hard
to
improve
long-term
Integrity
of
the
program
so
that
individuals
receive
PDD,
Services
based
off
of
their
need
and
and
outcomes
at
the
right
time.
F
Thank
you
for
that
through
the
chair,
what
action
are,
are
you
taking
to
help
improve
the
program,
integrity.
I
I
We've
been
working
hard
to
improve
the
long-term
Integrity
of
the
program,
so
individuals
receive
PDD
Services
based
on
their
needs
and
and
outcomes
at
the
right
time
and
I
think
the
biggest
thing
is
working
alongside
the
sector,
a
long-time
service
providers
and
families,
as
well
as
the
those
who
with
disabilities,
aren't
getting
as
well
to
hear
from
them
and
their
ideas
that
there's
been
robust.
Work.
F
F
Important,
so
we
need
to
make
sure
that
we're
supporting
them
as
well.
So
can
you
do
that,
but
can
you.
I
Can
use
it
too,
because
anytime
I
got
a
chance
to
to
speak
about
these
amazing
people
that
work
in
this
sector
and
and
the
Compassionate
Heart
that
it
takes?
You
know
these
are.
These
are
amazing
people
and
they
deserve
everything
that
we
can
give
them,
and
and
and
the
thanks
and
praise
and
obviously
10
increases
is
only
part
of
it.
I
I
think
the
other
part
of
this
is
not
letting
that
leg
for
10
years
again
that
we
move
forward
in
a
way
that
helps
support
these
individuals
as
as
cost
of
living
increases,
and
these
these
vital
programs
I
think
part
of
it
as
well,
is
addressing
weightless
I
think
these
organizations
have
been
strained
over
the
last
10
years
and
has
created
harder
working
conditions
for
these
individuals.
Often
they
take
on
more
and
making
sure
that
they
have
a
good
work-life
balance.
I
If
you
will
that
their
their
going
to
work
and
they're
excited
about
it,
because
they're
they're
not
overburdened
with
the
amount
of
work
that
needs
to
be
done,
I
think
that's,
absolutely
critical
and
and
addressing
other
challenges
within
the
workforce,
making
sure
that
there's
a
great
great,
robust
training
opportunities
to
progress
in
your
career
and
and
to
grow
in
that
that
career
I
think
is
very
important
as
well.
I
I
think
you
know
for
for
young
people,
you
want
to
know
that
you
can
move
forward
in
something
and
so
I
think
all
of
those
things
are
going
to
be
really
important
and
but
ultimately,
it's
really
about
showing
that
appreciation
for
these
visuals
and
making
sure
they
have
adequate
supports
to
do
the
work
that
they
do.
H
Thank
you.
A
chair
through
you
to
the
minister
first
home
minister
I,
want
to
thank
you
for
all
the
good
work.
You're
doing
and
all
the
time
you
dedicate
to
this
file.
I
know
you
get
unrecognized
for
all
the
work
you
do
and
your
passion
shows
through,
and
you
do
a
great
job
so
so
Minister
on
page
111
of
the
fiscal
plan
in
2023-24,
42.5
million
is
allocated
to
build,
renew,
maintain
and
operate.
H
Affordable
housing
in
Alberta
through
the
government-supported,
affordable
housing
programs,
including
rental
supplements,
the
opposition
recently
that
ukrainians
are
facing
challenges
accessing
these
supports
Minister.
Can
you
speak
on
how
supports
for
ukrainians
are
being
made
available,
and
can
you
also
speak
about
the
importance
of
the
rent
supplement
program.
I
Thank
you
for
the
question
and
thank
you
chair
to
the
member
member
for
all
of
her
hard
work
and
advocating
not
only
for
the
Ukrainian
Community
and
the
sun,
just
wore
also
advocating
for
for
her
constituents
and
for
individuals
with
disabilities
in
her
community
as
well,
and
so
many
other
issues.
J
Yeah
through
now
I'm
sure,
could
you
tell
me
which
line
the
premier's
council's
to
ask
people
participate.
L
J
Well,
you're
digging
around
for
that.
How
about
talk
about
this
increase?
Okay,
so
PDD
got
an
increase
for
this
year,
so
there's
106.
J
122
million
depends
what
you
compare
it
to,
but
so
there's
a
significant
increase
this
year
line
4.2,
and
so
how
much
of
that
increase
is
will
be
allocated
to
retroactive
staff
wages
this
year.
I
J
I
J
J
They're
only
getting
the
staff
wages,
So
Family
Matters
supports
for
everyone.
It's
just
a
different
way
of
funding
staff,
so
it's
through
families
as
opposed
to
an
agency.
So
there's
I
think.
J
Mr
so
chair,
so
what
I
need
to
what
I'd
like
to
know
is
how
much
or
why
the
administrative
amount
isn't
going
to
Family
Matter
support
contracts.
I
J
So
I
I
don't
know,
maybe
you
haven't
I
I
I've
been
lobbied,
certainly
Madam
chair
and
had
people
contact
my
office
people,
families
who
use
the
that
family
managed
support
to
organize
the
Staffing
supports
for
their
sons
or
daughters
and
I've
heard
repeatedly
of
the
pressures
and
the
cost.
Actually
some
people
actually
having
to
leave
their
jobs
to
manage
an
FMS
contract.
J
J
J
Absolutely
critical
I'd
like
to
also
know
is:
is
this
a
one-time
amount
of
money,
or
will
this
be
added
to
the
service,
delivery
and
administration
portion
of
the
contracts
going
forward?
This.
J
J
M
M
J
The
office
of
the
public
guardian
and
trustee,
so
unfortunately,
there
aren't
any
goals
or
metrics
to
for
us
to
look
at
and
talk
about,
Madam
chair,
but
through
to
the
minister
I,
have
there
are
a
number
of
large
service
providers
that
live
in
or
that
operate
in
St
Albert
and
one
of
those
there
are
three.
So
one
of
those
actually
sent
me
a
pretty
detailed
email
listing
the
difficulties
they've
been
having
with
getting
support
from
the
public
guardian
and
Public
Trustee
that
are
assigned
to
the
individuals
that
are
in
their
care.
J
And
so
you
can
imagine
someone
it
depends
on
the
order.
Obviously,
but
you
can
imagine
someone
a
dependent
adult
is
going
to
need
quick
contact
with
a
guardian
rep
in
order
to
get
a
yes
or
no
for
things
approval
to
go
do
something.
Let's
say
they
want
to
move,
or
you
know
all
those
decisions,
in
addition
to
the
trustee,
of
course,
they're
going
to
need
access
and
a
quick
return.
J
But
these
providers
are
reporting
months
going
by
and
they're
being
told
that
they're
understaffed
there
aren't
enough
representatives
and
so
they're,
just
not
getting
the
help
that
they
need.
So
I'm
wondering
if
there's
something
going
on
one
of
the
office
of
the
public
Guardian
are
there?
Is
there
just
a
need
for
staffing?
Has
there
been
has
have
we
lost
stuff
like
any
idea?
What's
going
on.
B
C
Sean
Petty
assistant
Deputy,
minister
of
strategic
Services,
thank
you
for
the
question
so
in
in
this
budget
budget,
2023
24
the
budget
for
the
office
of
the
trust,
Guardian
trustee,
has
been
increased.
Some
of
these
increases
are
for
one
more
Outreach
and
More
Travel
post
postcovid
we're
trying
to
bring
our
services
back
up
to
where
they
were
before,
so
that
we
have
more
in-person
contact
with
the
guardian
and
the
trustee
with
the
client
there's
also
been
an
increase
for
for
Staffing.
C
J
J
I
mean
just
a
tiny
fraction
on
core
support.
So
what
about
all
of
those
other
people?
So,
for
example,
we
know
that
there
are
25
863
people
on
cppd,
which
is
a
federal
benefit
and
did
not
get
the
affordability
payments
if
they
didn't
have
children
and
weren't
over
65.
Obviously,
so
my
question
is
so
one
to
find
most
vulnerable,
I
guess
because
it's
an
eligibility.
One
of
the
eligibility
bits
in
the
affordability
payments,
but
also
why
was
it
such
a
narrow
window
that
so
many
disabled
albertans
were
actually
left
out.
I
So
I
appreciate
the
question
so
I
guess
the
definition
most
vulnerable
would
be
in
in
my
regard
as
it
pertains
to
this
ministry,
so
this
ministry
supports
albertans
with
disabilities
seniors
people
on
low-income.
Our
income
supports
that
require
PDD
support
so
that
that
was
my
role
in
the
larger
affordability.
Payments
was
making
sure
that
people
are
supported
through
this
ministry
are
getting
the
the
thank.
G
Sure-
and
thank
you
if
you've
got
a
short
time
here
so
I'm
going
to
condense,
a
few
questions
together
and
maybe
give
you
some
latitude
to
do
so.
Minister,
it's
it's!
Obviously,
with
the
high
net
migration
we
saw
in
the
last
quarter
of
2022.
That's
both
a
great
opportunity
and
I
think
a
testament
to
the
good
work
of
this
government,
but
also
a
challenge
as
we
move
forward
to
accommodate
that
growth
in
both
our
economy
and
the
the
need
for
housing.
G
What
kind
of
innovative
projects
and
Partnerships
did
we
see
last
year
with
last
year's
funding
that
you're
encouraged
with,
and
maybe
you
want
to
replicate
and
I
guess?
Lastly,
maybe
what
kind
of
projects
can
we
expect
to
see
with
this
new
funding
over
the
next
three
years
and
maybe
I'll
give
you
some
examples
to
maybe
comment
on
or
share
your
own
thoughts
on?
G
Is
there
any
possibility
that
we
may
look
at
some
smaller
congregate,
living
Pilots
for
affordable
seniors
housing,
as
was
referenced
more
in
the
Continuing
Care
side
by
the
minister
of
Health,
but
that
doesn't
necessarily
have
to
be
in
under
their
realm,
but
could
be
a
more
for
affordable,
congregate,
living
sites
to
Pilot,
at
least
within
that
sector?
And
do
you
see
any
potential
for
governor
of
Alberta
to
engage
once
again,
as
they
did
in
2009
through
2012,
in
attainable
home
ownership,
which
may
have
the
potential
to
reduce
pressures
on
the
challenge?
G
Rental
market,
as
we
see
that
there's
a
lot
of
pressure
on
that,
particularly
with
all
the
newcomers
helping
individuals
and
families
to
begin
building
equity
for
the
future,
all
while
potentially
reducing
housing
costs
for
many
low-income
albertans,
and
maybe
this
is
a
good
time
for
you
to
comment
just
more
broadly,
as
we
finish
up
with
the
last
few
minutes
on
how
Innovation
and
housing
initiatives
by
your
ministry
and
by
the
Alberta
social
housing.
Corporation
May
align
with
your
experience
in
this
realm
and
obviously
with
this
government's
objectives.
I
Thank
you,
chair
and
again,
thank
you,
the
member
for
for
the
questions
I'm
going
to
do
my
best
to
get
to
them
all,
but
we
can
go
you
can.
Let
me
know
if
I
missed
something
if
we
don't
have
time,
but
also
thank
you
to
the
member
as
well
for
all
of
his
advocacy.
I
know
this
is
an
area,
that's
a
particular
passion
for
him
and
he's
done
a
lot
of
excellent
work,
both
in
politics
and
outside
of
Politics,
on
thinking
innovatively,
about
how
we
address
affordable,
housing
and
I.
Think
that's.
I
What
we're
seeing
in
the
stronger
foundations
program
here
is
is
how
do
we
think
differently
about
this
we've
seen
with
past
governments
with
big
large
line
items
with
bunch
of
money
dedicated
towards
it,
but
we
didn't
actually
move
the
needle
on
addressing
the
problem,
and
so
what's
unique
about
this
budget
and
the
stronger
foundation's
plan
is
it's
about.
How
do
we
partner
better
with
municipalities
with
federal
government
with
not-for-profits
and
private,
to
figure
out?
How
do
we
actually
move
the
needle
and
increase
the
supply
and,
at
the
end
of
the
day,
that's
the
goal?
I
Is
we
need
to
increase
the
supply
of
affordable
and
attainable
housing
and
and
other
Housing
Solutions
I?
Think
through
this
strategy
it
allows
us
to
be
able
to
be
flexible
and
Innovative
and
to
create
new,
Solutions
and
I.
Think
that's
what
we're
seeing
already
with
even
the
55
million
that
we
announced
before
Christmas
and
and
all
of
the
great
projects
that
we've
announced
just
a
few
for
a
short
weeks
ago.
I
If
we
had
just
done
that
on
our
own,
we
wouldn't
have
built
600,
wouldn't
be
Building
600
units
through
just
that
amount
of
money
and
that
that's
a
great
cost
value
and
I
know
you're
doing
the
numbers
in
your
head.
That
is
a
great
cost
value
for
albertans
and
is
actually
going
to
make
a
significant
difference
on
moving
the
needle
for
building
affordable
housing
within
our
community.
I
The
attainable
homes,
I
love,
the
concept,
I
think
it's
certainly
something
that
we've
seen
success
at
in
the
past.
We
we
still
see
success
at
other
layers
of
government,
and
you
know
I
think
it's
certainly
something
that
we
should
and
can
explore
as
we
move
forward.
You
know
the
best
way
to
lift
people
out
of
poverty
is
through
home
ownership
and
so
I'd
be
happy
to
have
further
conversations
with
you
about
what
that
could
look
like
and
how
we
can
continue
to
support
that
as
we
go
forward.
I
Obviously,
the
impact
that
more
housing
is
going
to
have
for
people
is
significant.
You
know,
as
somebody
worked
front
lines
with
people
experiencing
homelessness
and
that
day,
that
you
were
able
to
give
somebody
a
key
for
their
own
home
and
the
the
the
bill
unlock
their
own
door
and
to
shut
that
and
lock
that
and
have
the
security
of
a
home.
I
The
sense
the
joy
and
pride
that
came
with
that
is
significant
and
that's
what
excites
me
the
most
about
this
plan
is
we
are
going
to
be
able
to
give
that
that
feeling
to
thousands
and
thousands
of
individuals,
families
that
sense
of
security
and
and
and
place
to
call
home
so
yeah
did
I
miss
anything.
G
Maybe
just
a
comment
on
the
the
possibility
of
some
smaller
seniors
congregate
living
sites.
I
know
again
that
was
referenced
more
from
the
the
health
side
under
obviously
contracted
services,
but
I
just
think
there
might
be
something
there
that
that
could
also
follow
under
fall
under.
I
I
think
one
of
the
things
is
I've
been
traveling
in
the
province
meeting
with
service
providers,
they're
stakeholders
of
health
and
seniors
and
they're,
not
looking
at
it
in
as
separate
entities
they're
looking
at
it
as
how
do
we
build
a
stronger
Continuum
of
Care
for
for
seniors
at
the
end
of
life
and
to
make
sure
that
we're
respecting
that
and
I
think
we've
you've
probably
seen
the
models
of
kind
of
these
campus
models
where
you
have
the
the
senior
lodges
and
and
the
Continuing
Care
and
everything,
and
making
sure
that
we
can
help
people
age
with
dignity
within
there
and
so
yeah
small
senior
homes,
I
I.
I
Think
again,
that's
what
speaks
to
the
the
value
of
the
stronger
foundations
program,
because
it
allows
us
to
part
with
with
ngos,
for
thinking
creatively
on
this
and
municipalities,
to
try
different
designs
and
different
models
and
to
be
able
to
explore
those
and
I
think
that's
really
how
we're
going
to
move
the
needle
in
a
significant
way
and
increasing
the
supply
of
affordable
housing.
I
Yeah,
so
I
don't
have
the
the
number
in
front
of
me,
but
right
now,
but
we're
investing
significantly
in
increasing
indigenous
housing.
And
you
know,
one
of
the
key
features,
of
course,
is
that
partnership
bit
that
we're
actually
doing
this
with
indigenous
communities
and
and
Indigenous
not-for-profit
organizations
that
they're
taking
the
leadership
role
on
this
and
I
think
that's
so
critical
for
for
reconciliation
and
how
we
move
forward.
I
So
there's
a
significant
amount
of
money,
that's
being
invested
in
those
Partnerships
right
now,
38.8
million
dollars
to
complete
16
projects
which
will
provide
over
259
new
units-
and
you
know
I
hope,
that's
just
the
beginning,
because
there's
such
a
great
need
out
there
and
but
that
opportunity
to
be
able
to
partner
and
and
Empower
indigenous
communities.
B
Apologize
for
the
intraction,
but
I
must
advise
the
committee
that
the
time
allotted
for
consideration
of
the
ministry's
estimates
has
concluded.
I'd
like
to
remind
committee
members
that
were
scared
to
meet
at
this
evening.
March
15th
at
7
pm
to
consider
the
estimates
of
the
ministry
of
Public
Safety.