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A
Okay,
thank
you.
You
will
call
this
meeting
to
order
and
welcome
everyone
in
attendance.
The
committee
has
under
consideration
the
estimates
of
the
ministry
of
skilled
trades
and
professions
for
the
fiscal
year.
Ending
March
31,
2024
I'd.
Ask
that
we
go
around
the
table
and
have
members
introduce
themselves
for
the
record
Minister.
Please
introduce
the
officials
who
are
joining
you
at
the
table
when
it
comes
to
your
turn.
Thank.
A
B
Okay,
thank
you,
chair,
minister
of
security
and
professions,
and
with
me
this
evening
my
Deputy
Minister
bevie
EDM,
Mike
Fernandez
and
ADM
SFO,
all
in
lovely.
Thank
you.
A
Good
I
like
to
note
the
following
substitutions
for
the
record.
We
have
Mr
turton
for
The
Honorable,
Mrs
Armstrong
homuniak
a
few
housekeeping
items
to
address
before
we
turn
to
the
business
at
hand.
Please
note
that
the
microphones
are
operated
by
Hansard
staff
committee.
Proceedings
are
live
streamed
on
the
internet
and
broadcast
on
Alberta
assembly
TV.
A
The
audio
and
video
stream
and
transcripts
of
meetings
can
be
accessed
via
the
Legislative
Assembly
website.
Members
participating
remotely
are
encouraged
to
turn
your
camera
on,
while
speaking
in
mute,
your
microphone
when
not
speaking,
remote
participants
who
wish
to
be
placed
on
a
speaker's
list
are
asked
to
email
or
message
to
the
community
Clerk
and
members
in
the
room
should
signal
to
the
chair.
A
Please
set
your
cell
phones
and
other
devices
to
silent
for
the
duration
of
the
meeting
honorable
members.
The
standing
order
set
out
the
process
for
consideration
of
the
main
estimates.
A
total
of
three
hours
has
been
scheduled
for
consideration
of
the
estimates
for
the
ministry
of
skilled
trades
and
professions
standing
in
order.
59,
Section,
1,
subsection
6
establishes
the
speaking
rotation
and
speaking
times.
In
brief,
the
minister
or
member
of
executive
Council,
acting
on
The
Minister's
behalf
we'll
have
10
minutes
to
address
the
committee
at
the
conclusion
of
The
Minister's
comments.
A
A
60-minute
speaking
block
for
the
official
opposition
begins,
followed
by
a
20-minute
speaking
block
for
independent
members.
If
any
and
then
a
20-minute
speaking
block
for
the
government
caucus
individuals
may
only
speak
for
up
to
10
minutes
at
a
time,
but
speaking
times
may
be
combined
between
the
member
and
the
minister.
A
After
this
speaking
times
will
follow
the
same
rotation
of
the
official
opposition,
independent
members
and
the
government
caucus
the
member
and
the
minister
May
each
speak
once
for
a
maximum
of
five
minutes,
or
these
times
may
be
combined
making
it
a
10-minute
block.
If
members
have
any
questions
regarding
speaking
times
or
the
rotation,
please
send
an
email
or
message
to
the
committee
clerk
about
the
process.
A
A
Ministry
officials
may
be
present
at
the
direction
of
the
minister
May
address
at
the
direction
of
the
minister
May
address
the
committee
Ministry
officials,
seated
in
the
gallery,
if
called
upon,
have
access
to
a
microphone
in
the
gallery
area
and
are
asked
to
please
introduce
themselves
for
the
record
prior
to
commenting
pages
are
available
to
deliver
notes
or
other
materials
between
the
gallery
and
the
table.
Attendees
in
the
gallery
may
not
approach
the
table.
A
Space
permitting
opposition
caucus
staff
may
sit
at
the
table
to
assist
their
members.
However,
members
have
priority
to
sit
at
the
table
at
all
times.
If
debate
is
exhausted
prior
to
three
hours,
the
ministry's
estimates
are
deemed
to
have
been
considered
for
the
time
of
lauded
in
the
schedule,
and
the
committee
will
adjourn.
Points
of
order
will
be
dealt
with
as
they
arise
in
individual
speaking
times
will
be
paused.
A
The
vote
on
the
estimates
and
any
amendments
will
occur
in
Committee
of
Supply
on
March
16
2023
amendments
must
be
in
writing
and
approved
by
parliamentary
Council
prior
to
the
meeting
at
which
they
are
to
be
moved.
The
original
amendment
is
to
be
deposited
with
the
committee
clerk
with
20
hard
copies.
A
Finally,
the
committee
should
have
the
opportunity
to
hear
both
questions
and
answers
without
interruption
during
estimates
debate,
debate
flows
through
the
chair
at
all
times,
including
instances
when
speaking
time
is
shared
between
a
member
and
the
minister
I,
would
now
invite
the
minister
of
skilled
trades
and
professions
to
begin
with
your
opening
remarks.
Minister
you
have
10
minutes.
B
Let
me
once
again
introduce
my
Deputy
minister
Beverly
assistant,
Deputy
Minister
Mike
Fernandez,
and
the
assistant
Deputy
Minister
Chief
senior
Financial
Officer.
All
in
lovely
budget
budget
23
allocate
219
million
dollars
for
skilled
trades
and
professions.
This
is
a
nine
percent
increase
which
allows
the
ministry
to
provide
stable
multi-year
funding
to
key
partners
and
programs.
B
It
provides
flexibility
for
us
to
consult
with
partners
and
Target
funding
to
address
labor
market
demands.
Alberto
has
apprenticeship
education
programs
in
47
trades.
At
the
end
of
2021,
there
were
approximately
39
000
registered
apprentices
learning
on
the
job
at
more
than
10
000
employer
sites.
Around
Alberta,
approximately
6600
Journey
persons
were
certified
in
2021..
Despite
this
impressive
number,
several
key
Alberta
Industries
are
experiencing
accurate
labor
shortages.
B
Budget
23
invests
68.9
million
dollars
to
advance
apprenticeship.
Education
I
am
pleased
to
say
that
the
new
apprenticeship
registration
has
increased
from
7820
in
2020
to
more
than
13
000
in
2022.
In
the
current
school
year,
11
post-secondary
institutions
across
Alberta
have
approximately
22
000
seats
for
apprenticeship
classroom
instruction.
B
The
2023
budget
invests
10.3
million
dollars
over
three
years
for
Innovative
Pathways
into
apprenticeship
programs.
These
Pathways
will
help
albertans
already
employed
in
the
trade
to
elevate
their
skills
and
promote
these
career
options
to
underrepresented
albertans.
My
Ministry
maintains
vital
partnership
with
Community
organizations
to
promote
apprenticeship
education
and
encourage
young
people,
women,
indigenous
people
and
unemployed
albertans.
To
consider
apprenticeship
programs.
B
Budget
23
provides
support
for
three
long-standing
key
partners:
careers,
the
Next,
Generation
women
building
features
and
skills,
Canada
Alberta
careers,
Next
Generation,
facilitates
paid
internships
for
high
school
students,
including
in
the
registered
apprenticeship
program.
Building,
features
helps
unemployed
and
underemployed.
Women
explore
careers
in
the
skilled
trades
scales.
Canada
Alberta
promotes
skilled
trade
and
Technology
careers
as
first
option
for
youth.
My
ministry
will
also
be
seeking
Partners
to
promote
apprenticeship
related
services
to
indigenous
Learners.
B
To
increase
the
number
of
indigenous
apprentices,
the
number
of
seats
available
for
pre-apprenticeship
programming
and
to
create
new
Partnerships
between
employers
and
Indigenous
communities.
Budget
23
also
includes
for
funding
for
partnership
with
cultural
communities.
Ensuring
newcomers
have
access
to
learning.
Support
is
something
I
am
passionate
about
and
I
am
pleased
to
see
more
support
in
this
area.
Budget
23
includes
10
102.4
million
dollars
for
foundational
learning
assistance.
B
This
is
an
additional
5.8
million
dollars
per
year
for
adult
learning,
opportunities
that
allow
albertans
to
upscale
and
rescue
for
jobs
with
labor
market
demand.
This
increase
will
assist
programs
students
to
deal
with
inflationary
pressures
on
living
costs,
tuition
supplies,
transportation
and
child
care.
B
This
can
include
literacy
and
numeracy
programs,
skills
for
learning,
basic
digital
skills
and
English
language
learning
project
23
at
1.5
million
dollars
over
three
years
to
support
Community
adult
learning
programs
across
Alberta
demand
continues
to
increase.
In
part,
due
to
the
arrival
of
thousands
of
Ukrainian
newcomers
in
response
to
recommendations
from
The
premier's
Advisory
task
force
on
Ukraine
budget
23
directs
1.1
million
dollars
in
new
English
language
funding
for
ukrainians
language
education
helps
Ukrainian
temporary
residents
to
find
stability
and
opportunity.
B
The
government
of
Alberta
passed
the
labor
Mobility
act
in
2021
to
support
the
seamless
movement
of
out
of
Province
certified
workers
to
Alberta
the
labor
Mobility
Act
is
currently
in
approvals
once
approved
it
will
be
proclaimed
and
come
into
Force
budget
23
allocates
more
than
70
thousand
dollars
to
complete.
The
regulation
proclaim
the
act
and
see
the
framework
come
into
effect.
B
B
We
have
a
focus
team
working
with
our
professional
regulatory
Partners
to
create
a
more
efficient
system,
skill
trade
and
professions.
2023
budgets
support
a
robust,
effective
and
competitive
Workforce
and
the
goal
of
transforming
The
Adult
Learning
System
to
provide
a
high
quality
education
skills
and
training
for
Alberto's
future
Mr
chair
I
am
excited
to
see
the
positive
impact
of
budget
2023
and
to
lead
the
exciting
work
ahead.
B
A
You
Minister
for
the
hour
that
follows
members
of
the
official
opposition
and
the
minister
may
speak
honorable
members.
You
will
be
able
to
see
the
timer
for
the
speaking
block,
both
in
the
committee
room
and
on
Microsoft
teams.
Members.
Would
you
like
to
combine
your
time
with
The
Minister's
time?
Yes,.
I
A
I
Thank
you
Mr
chair
and
thank
you
Minister
for
your
introductory
comments
and
I
must
say
that
this
is
kind
of
a
unique
circumstance
for
me
because,
of
course,
we're
doing
budget
estimates
for
a
new
ministry,
and
so
well.
We
quite
often
to
give
you
some
Trade
Secrets
how
to.
I
So
I
will
give
you
page
numbers
to
go
with
that,
and
then
we
can.
You
know
work
with
with
that,
but
I've
actually
not
done
block
time
for
a
long
time,
because
my
Advanced
education,
Minister,
we
have
a
conversation,
so
I
can
go.
I
can
always
stop
and
then
pass
it
on
to
him
whatever
it
is.
You
lose
the
time,
though.
Okay,
so
don't
do
that
I.
Don't.
D
I
D
I
Yeah,
there's
like
that
voice
in
my
head.
That's
telling
me:
okay,
I
won't
do
that.
Lord
knows
the
so.
So
if
you
can
look
to
the
business
plan,
then
to
page
122,
a
key
objective
1.1-
and
there
is
I
quote-
to
create
a
modern,
flexible
and
efficient
skilled
trade,
certification
and
apprenticeship
education
system
in
Alberta,
I'm
quote
so
so
clearly,
based
on
the
success
of
polytechnics
such
as
Nate
and
Sate,
finding
employment
for
their
graduates
in
the
trades
and
the
close
partnership.
I
These
institutions
have,
with
employers
and
trade
unions
throughout
the
province
to
ensure
standards
of
practice
and
accurate
projections
of
how
many
apprenticeships
Alberta
is
likely
to
need
from
year
to
year.
So
with
that,
it
was
fairly
successful
formula.
That's
been
used
for
a
number
of
years,
where
you
see
more
than
95
employment
rate
in
different
trades
and
made
and
say,
and
so
forth.
I
What
changes
or
modernizations
are
you
planning
for
for
the
existing
apprenticeship
programs
in
in
the
province,
because,
of
course,
as
I
say,
I
would
say
not
just
my
assessment,
but
the
assessment
of
of
the
institutions
of
students
of
employers
and
whatnot,
the
way
by
which
they
determine.
Let's
say
how
many
pipefitters
you
need
for
the
year.
I
I
Further
to
the
business
plan
again
page
122,
objective
1.4
says
that
you
would
like
to
and
I
quote,
expand
the
apprenticeship
model
to
increase
learning
opportunities
to
meet
labet
marker
demands
unquote,
and
so
I
would
like
to
know
first
of
all
and
others
as
well.
What
new
apprenticeship
programs
are
you
currently
pursuing
in
your
ministry?
I
Are
you
working
with
our
post-secondary
institutions
and
advanced
education
to
flesh
out
what
these
initiatives
are
and
what
they
will
look
like,
because
you
know
I
speak
to
colleges,
universities
and
polytechnics
all
the
time,
and
they
have
not
specifically
mentioned
you
know,
you're
in
their
interactions
with
your
ministry,
but
rather
the
ministry
of
advanced
education,
which
is
fair
because
you're,
a
new
and
so
far
in
advanced
education
estimates
which
we
completed
last
week.
I
There
was
plenty
discussion
about
the
trades
and
apprenticeships,
but
very
little
mention
of
a
separate
Ministry
and
what
it,
what
it
actually
is
going
to
do
in
terms
of
picking
new
apprenticeship
programs
and
I
would
I
would
just
to
add
a
further
thing
around.
That
I
mean
we
know
that
the
apprenticeship
programs
that
are
most
successful
here
in
the
province
and
indeed
across
the
country
and
across
North
America.
Of
course
it
brings
people
in
and
they're
interested
in
participating
because
they
get
to
be
paid
as
they
are
in
various
years
of
their
apprenticeship.
I
Here's
again
a
pump
plumber
and
a
pipefitter.
Yes,
you
spend
time
at
school
in
Nate
or
say
through
other
places,
but
then
you
also
were
going
out
into
the
fields
for
extended
Apprenticeship,
Training
and
you're
getting
paid
for
that
at
the
same
time.
So
as
you
build
these
new
apprenticeships,
I'm
curious
to
know
if
you're
willing
and
able
and
understand
that
the
success
largely
depends
on
you
know,
making
it
affordable
and
making
it
affordable
by
paying
apprentices
to
do
their
work.
I
Again,
you
can
see
how
I
went
through
and
made
these
questions
with
the
business
plan
again
on
page
122.,
I
see
that
you
know
expanding
the
apprenticeship.
Apprenticeship
concept
is
is
good,
but
only
if
there's
carefully
thought
of
programs
that
you're
considering
and
so
I'm.
I
You
know
just
want
to
make
sure
that
you
are
working
through
this
every
step
of
the
way,
not
just
to
say
well.
This
is
where
we
need
the
the
jobs
in
the
next
couple
of
years,
but
also
looking
for
different
choices
that
you
can
give
students
you
know
for
them
to
pursue
what
they
think
they're
interested
in
and
what
they
think
will
be
an
employable
skill
in
in
the
future.
I
Also
I,
guess
that
has
to
do
with
consultation
right
so
just
to
make
sure
that,
as
we
expand
the
apprenticeship
program,
which
we
support
wholeheartedly,
that
it
is
a
substantive
consultation
that
is
flexible
and
organic
in
nature.
And
so
you
know
we
just
don't
want
people
in
Edmonton
making
decisions
and
government.
I
You
know
what
they
think
the
jobs
of
the
future
are
going
to
be
when
in
fact,
maybe
maybe
they're
wrong
right
I
mean
we
trained
an
awful
lot
of
geophysicists
in
the
last
you
know
from
15
or
20
years,
and
for
a
long
time
that
was
the
way
to
explore
for
oil
properly
and
everybody
got
a
job
and
then
suddenly
the
geophysics
market
for
workers
just
dropped
out
it
bottomed
out,
and
so
you
know
we
just
don't
want
to
be
left
with
being
five
years
behind
in
what
emerging
apprenticeship,
apprenticeships
should
be,
and
then
maybe
I
can
get
squeeze
one
more
question
in
here
as
well
again
on
page
122
of
the
business
plan,
objective
1.2,
says
to
advocate
for
and
Champion
skill,
trades
and
professionals
professions,
sorry,
as
a
pathway
that
will
lead
to
rewarding
careers
and
the
most
important
was
to
create
a
desirable
Pathway
to
ensure
a
trades
education
or
really
for
any
education,
for
that
matter
is
to
make
sure
that
it's
affordable
and
will
not
burden
a
student
with
excessive
debt
after
they
graduate
your
ministry
together
with
Advanced.
I
Education
must
ensure
that
tuition
and
other
fees
are
affordable.
Right,
so
my
question
is:
is
that
first
in
the
first
part
anyway,
is
that
is
the
two
percent
Gap
the
tuition
that
the
advanced
education
just
announced?
Does
that
also
apply
to
skilled
trades
and
professions?
Will
it
also
apply
to
extra
instructional
fees
and
will
institutions
be
backfilled
for
the
reduced
tuition
income
that
they
might
lose
and
otherwise
be
forced
into
making
Cuts
in
other
areas
to
make
up
for
this
loss
of
income
and
I've
just
talked
to
both
Nate
and
State?
I
To
prepare
for
these
budget
deliberations
and
both
of
them
said
that
you
know,
while
they
want
tuition
to
be
affordable,
they
need
to
make
sure
that
they
know
that
if
it's
a
two
percent
cap
and
their
costs,
their
inflationary
costs
are
four
three
five
or
six
percent
that
you
will
backfill
the
difference
so
that
they
simply
just
don't
have
to
pass
those
those
off
into
other
areas
to
make
Cuts.
You
know
what
I
mean,
because
this
is
a
common
criticism
of
of
putting
caps
in
place
that
you
can't
just
make
a
cap.
I
You
also
need
to
backfill
it
in
the
institutions,
so
that
they're
not
just
compelled
to
make
Cuts
in
other
in
other
areas.
Certainly,
you
know
that
our
Alberta
new
democrat
government
would
make
sure
that
tuition
is
Affordable
and
that
everyone
who
chooses
to
go
to
a
post-secondary
education
or
training
or
trades
will
have
a
space
to
do
so
and
it'll
the
highest
quality,
and
it
will
be
consistent.
I
That's
really
what
students
and
schools
and
teachers,
and
everyone
in
Alberta
is
looking
right
now-
is
to
have
reliability
in
our
post-secondary
institutions
and
trades
and
skilled
professions,
so
that
certainty
can
be
passed
on
for
their
ability
to
make
plans
for
themselves
and
for
their
families
and
certainly
as
new
Democrats.
You
know,
hopefully
to
form
the
next
government.
Thank.
B
I
B
Me
begin
with
your
first
point.
As
you
know
remember:
in
July
of
2022
we
passed
the
skill,
trade
and
apprenticeship
Education,
Act
otherwise
known
as
stair,
and
that
act
replaced
the
13
year
old,
apprenticeship
and
Industry
training
art.
That
was
a
major
modernization
that
was
brought
in
by
in
what
that
was
brought
into
being
by
government
in
2022.
The
ACT
is
intended
to
accomplish
the
following
number:
one:
enable
the
Alberta
Government
to
be
more
flexible
and
quickly
respond
to
the
changing
needs
of
students,
industry,
employers
and
educators.
B
Number
two:
it
expand
our
friendship,
education
to
other
professions
and
high
demand
occupations,
number
three
eliminate
a
significant
amount
of
rating
for
government,
Educators
and
Industry
clearing
the
way
to
the
to
claim
the
way
to
provide
Education
and
Training
that
is
efficient
and
meaningful
number
four.
It
encourages
more
albertans
to
pursue
trades
professions
as
a
valuable
and
meaningful
career
in
reinforces
that
skill.
Trade
are
important,
respected,
well-paying
and
in-demand
occupation
and,
lastly,
the
large
industry.
More
flexibility
in
how
Apprentice
apprentices
are
trending.
B
B
The
education
credential
is
separate
from
the
journey
person
credential
and
is
a
formal
acknowledgment
that
a
person
has
completed
a
post-secondary
program
of
study.
The
journey
person
certificate
also
recognizes
that
someone
is
a
skilled
professional
who
has
met
the
com,
the
certification
standard
and
is
authorized
to
work
in
the
trade
anywhere
in
Alberta.
There
are
four
levels
of
Education
credentials
that
are
that
will
be
awarded
depending
on
the
land
and
complexity
of
the
program.
B
Now
you
also
with
respect
to
your
second
question,
I
think
it
deals
with
mostly
industry
new
industry
pathways.
B
B
B
Your
third
question
this,
whether
or
not
we
are
working
with
with
with
Advanced
education
and
indeed
other
post-secondary
institutions,
to
make
sure
that
this
program
implementations
are
implemented
in
a
way
that
buys
their
their
support
and,
and
the
short
answer
is
yes,
we
have
been
Consulting
with
all
of
the
11
personal
institutions
that
we
are
responsible
for
Keanu
College,
Lakeland,
College,
LED,
Bridge,
College,
Madison,
art
college
Northern,
Lakes,
College
olds,
College,
Portage,
College
Nate,
not
Western,
Polytechnic,
radio,
Polytechnic
and
Sage.
B
They
were
all
of
those
institutions
were.
We
are
funded
piano
college,
for
example,
it
was
745
000,
Lakeland,
778,
000,
LED,
Bridge
College,
1.5
million
dollars,
Medicine
Heart
college
now
than
53
000
Northern
Lakes,
five,
sixty
nine
thousand
dollars
old
College,
six
hundred
and
twelve
thousand
dollars
for
tax
quality.
319
000
needs
12
million,
plus
more
than
12
million
dollars,
not
Western
Polytechnic.
More
than
two
million
dollars,
radio
Polytechnic
more
than
two
million
dollars
saved
more
than
11
million
dollars,
and
so
that
work
continues
and
I
continue
to
look
forward.
B
Your
last
question
deals
with
deals
with
with
how
do
we
deal
with
with
making
sure
that
post-confidence
education
is
Affordable
and
in
a
way
that
allows
students
to
to
be
able
to
have
a
good
education
and
without
the
pressure
that
comes
from
from
post-secondary
institutional
institutions
and
things
like
that?
B
B
Care
of
post-secondary
Institutions,
who
have
apprential
programming,
get
based
operational
funding
from
Advanced
education
to
support
instruction,
academic
support,
student
services
operations,
institutional
support
and
so
on,
and
the
skill,
trade
and
professions
also
provide
our
friendship,
learning
grant
funding,
formerly
known
as
a
friendship,
technical,
a
20
grand
to
support
our
post-secondary
partners,
our
pressure
program,
development
and
delivery.
We
will
continue.
There
is
no
question
that
there
from
time
to
time
there
will
be
pressure
and
my
sense
myself.
B
An
advanced
education
will
continue
to
monitor
those
pressures
to
see
and
to
see
whether
or
not
there
is
Need
for
interventions
within
the
fiscal
year.
But,
as
you
know,
the
the
budget
cycle
is
is
a
one-year
cycle
oftentimes
three-year
cycle.
If
there's
need
for
us,
if
there's
anything
that
was
missing
this
particular
budget.
Obviously
we
will
have
to
deal
with
that
in
the
next
year's
budget.
J
Questions
very
much
thank
you,
minister
Department
officials
who
are
here
I'm,
jumping
him,
because
I
wanted
to
also
ask
about
objective
1.1
on
page
122,
the
skilled
trades
and
apprenticeship
Education
Act
changes
that
the
minister
already
referenced
a
little
bit
in
their
comments.
The
changes
coming
into
effect,
July
2022,
and
they
were
very
big
changes
that,
specifically
as
part
of
that
when
it
comes
to
skilled
trades,
removed
the
Alberta
apprenticeship
and
Industry
training
board
and
replaced
it
with
the
Alberta
Board
of
skilled
trades.
J
Now
the
Alberta
Board
of
skilled
trades
mandate
includes
a
few
different
things,
but
it
also
in
particular.
It
includes
specifying
the
scope
of
activities
and
designated
trades
and
establishing
standards
and
requirements
for
a
designated
trade
certificates,
and
the
minister
would
be
aware
from
the
debate
on
Bill
67
that
the
new
board
and
its
mandate
was
of
particular
concern
because
of
the
potential
impact
on
one
designated
trade
certification,
and
so
when
I
go
to
the
Alberta
Board
of
skilled
trades
website.
J
Now
I
have
to
say
that
when
I
compare
it
to
what
the
AIT
board
was
putting
out,
there's
a
complete
lack
of
information,
AIT
used
to
post
meeting
minutes.
There
was
an
annual
report
now
that
the
new
board
hasn't
had
a
year.
Yet
so
I
wouldn't
expect
an
annual
report
yet,
but
there
are
no
meeting
minutes,
they've
posted
a
single
newsletter
that
was
posted
in
August
of
2022
in
that
newsletter
they
committed
to
regular
newsletters,
but
there's
only
been
the
one
in
that
newsletter.
J
They
talk
about
a
public
feedback
survey,
but
those
results
haven't
been
shared.
They
committed
to
publishing
an
engagement
plan
on
the
website
by
October
31st
2022.
That
is
not
there,
so
it
appears.
We've
gone
from
a
board
that
regularly
provided
updates
and
provided
lots
of
information
to
one
where
I
can't
tell
what's
going
on
now.
The
good
news
minister,
is
that
at
their
first
meeting
the
abst
signed
a
designated
training
certificate
requirement
board
order
to
maintain
the
scope
of
practice
status,
quo,
underskilled
trades
and
apprenticeship
Education
Act,
so
not
significantly
changing
the
trades
designations.
J
Yet
great.
That's
what
a
lot
of
our
stakeholders
were
quite
worried
about,
that
the
new
board
would
come
in
and
negatively
impact
trade,
certifications,
but
I'm
concerned
about
the
lack
of
transparency
that
they
have
not
shared.
What
is
happening
at
their
meetings?
What
is
the
direction
they're
intending
to
go
in
so
one
of
my
specific
questions
to
you,
ministers
have
you
met
with
the
board.
Do
you
meet
with
the
board
regularly?
J
There
was
only
a
single
province
that
didn't
BC
and
they're,
bringing
it
back
because
having
those
mandatory
trade
certification
supports
higher,
more
stable,
paying
jobs,
attracting
more
people
into
the
trades
and
improving
the
perception
of
the
trades.
So
all
very
good
reasons
for
this
board
to
work
transparently
and
so
I've
taken
a
few
minutes
of
this
block.
I
I
Your
city,
thank
you,
you're
welcome,
thank
you,
so
I
mean
actually
further
to
that.
I
They
are
part
of
an
international
organization
that
sets
a
standard
and
so
that
an
Alberta
plumber,
input
fitter,
can
go
and
work
on
a
job
in
just
Southern,
United
States
with
that
same
qualification
and
standard,
and
so
when
we
are
both
making
changes
to
existing
traits
and
in
fact
starting
new
apprenticeships
is
the
ministry
of
skilled
traits
and
professions
and
Consulting
with
internationally,
nationally
and
internationally,
to
ensure
that
they
are
lining
up
their
apprenticeship
standards
with
a
standard
that
might
already
exist
or
is
being
built
elsewhere.
I
Question
mark
okay,
so
my
questions
I
wanted
to
pass
back
to
talking
about
affordability
again
and,
as
we
know
that
Alberta
students
graduate
with
more
than
30
percent
more
debt
than
any
other
province
in
Canada
right.
This
is
a
misconception
that
I've
heard
for
three
and
a
half
or
four
years
right
that
it's
cheaper
in
Alberta
and
then
that's
why
we
had
to
jack
up
the
tuition.
Well,
in
fact,
people
end
up
with
more
debt
as
an
Alberta
graduate
than
other
provinces
because
of
the
granting
system
and
all
that
kind
of
stuff.
I
So
with
a
large
with
not
matching
student
aid
increases
and
we
want
to
attract
students
into
the
trades
it
has
to
be
made
affordable
for
them
to
do
so
right
now,
so
I
want
to
ask
what
your
ministry
is
doing
to
make
a
trade,
school
education,
more
expense
or
more
affordable,
not
expensive.
Quite
the
upset-
and
you
know,
for
example,
I
was
just
talking
to
Nate
today
and
they
had
to
increase
they've
increased
it
their
tuition
again
for
the
next
school
year.
I
It
does
not
fall
under
that
two
percent
cap
that
doesn't
start
until
2024-25,
and
so
you
know
times
of
the
essence.
We
need
to
make
sure
that
trades
are
attractive
and
affordable
right
now
and
further
to
that
in
terms
of
budget.
My
next
question
is
is
to
do
with
to
do
with
workforces
in
our
schools
and
again
as
a
result
of
unprecedented
cuts
to
polytechnics
colleges.
I
Your
your
government,
for
example,
is
no
longer
providing
the
campus
Alberta
grant
information
that
documents
how
much
each
Institute
is
receiving
I
mean
we
do
get
that
information
by
dribs
and
drabs.
But
you
know
again:
I
would
like
to
implore
your
ministry
and
your
government
to
provide
the
campus
Alberta
grant
information
in
its
entirety
so
that
we
can
see
that
our
trades
colleges
and
polytechnics
are
getting
the
adequate
funding
that
they
that
they
need.
I
The
institutions
are
being
funded
for
their
base,
commitment
in
apprenticeships
seats,
but
last
year
and
this
year
there
have
been
additional
teaching
seats
without
any
additional
funding.
This
is
resulting
in
some
very
tight
budgets
and,
for
example,
institutions
are
now
resorting
to
replacing
instructors
with
an
instructional
assistance
to
make
up
for
the
funding
shortfall
decreasing.
The
quality
of
Education
that
apprenticeship
students
will
receive
was
this
change
in
a
pre
apprenticeship,
education,
delivery,
part
of
the
ministry's
plan
we
see.
I
This
is
again
an
example
of
Mr,
chair
of
the
operational
funding,
grants
being
flatlining
or
being
decreased,
and
institutions
being
compelled
to
look
for
savings
wherever
they
can
and
but
to
lose.
Let's
say:
20
percent
of
your
instructional
highest
level
in
structures
and
have
to
replace
them
with
instructional
assistance
right
over
time.
That
erodes
the
quality
of
Education
that
is
being
delivered
in
the
classroom
and,
as
a
result,
over
time,
Kenny
wrote
the
both
the
rep
meditation
and
the
Integrity
of
the
system
as
as
a
whole.
I
So
certainly
we
are
here
to
make
the
trades
strong
and
we're
here
to
offer
these
constructive
engagements,
and
certainly
we
would
make
sure
that
schools
are
adequately
funded,
that
tuition
is
Affordable
and
everyone
in
Alberta
who
wants
to
choose
to
take
Advanced
an
education,
a
trade
and
so
forth
would
be
able
to
do
so.
But.
B
So
I
think
the
the
first
person
I,
remember
gray,
asked
was
about
the
Barrel
board
of
skill
trade
in
the
context
of
transparency.
So
there
is
no
question.
I
I
have
met
with
them
and
I
continue
to
meet
with
them
as
they
need
arises.
In
fact,
last
week
I
met
with
the
butcher
in
my
office
and
from
time
to
time
my
Deputy
Minister
and
ADM
do
meet
with
them
as
well.
So,
as
you
know,
this
is
a
a
brand
new
board
and
that
was
established
in
the
summer
of
2022.
B
Is
a
border
is
made
up
of
15
members?
We
are
they.
They
have
started
functioning,
but
we
are
working
with
them
to
build
up
their
board
in
terms
of
process
procedures
and
things
like
that.
I
am
not
concerned
about
transparency,
because
it's
a
brand
new
board
with
a
defined
mandate
and
in
section
13
of
the
secure
trade
and
apprenticeship
act.
B
It
states
the
administration
appoint
a
border
to
be
known
as
the
Aurora
Board
of
skill
trade
trade,
consisting
of
not
more
than
15
individuals
who,
in
the
opinion
of
the
minister,
are
knowledgeable
respect
to
the
contribution
of
skill,
trade
and
all
of
that.
But
here
are
the
function,
the
responsibility
of
the
board.
It
makes
recommendation
to
the
minister
respecting
this
designation
of
trade
and
designating
restricted
activities
within
a
trade
Consulting
with
industry
regarding
standard
and
requirement
for
certification
in
designated
trade.
B
Now
you
know
so
the
the
Mandate
of
the
board
is
very
clear
and
I
I
am
I,
am
looking
forward
to
continuing
to
work
with
the
board
to
ensure
that
they
have
the
resources
that
they
need
to
carry
out
their
their
response.
Their
responsibilities-
I
I,
am
not
concerned
at
this
point
in
time,
because
I
I
don't
see.
No
no
concerns
has
been
raised
or
flat
respect
to
transparency
with
the
board
and,
and
we
are
working
with
them.
B
You
know
to
make
sure
that
that
their
processes
are
going
to
be
fully
fleshed
out
and
have
the
research
that
they
need
to
meet
their
responsibilities.
You
know
stare
establish
the
Alberta
Board
of
scripture,
as
I
said
before,
and
they
do
meet
on
a
regular
basis
and
just
last
week
you
know
the
check
you
know
did
confirm
for
me
that
that
they
just
met
with
the
board
to
talk
about
some
of
the
some
of
I'm,
some
of
the
Mandate
items.
B
The
body
is
currently
setting
up
its
stakeholder
and
Industry
advisory
systems,
the
the
board
as
again
the
the
their
responsibility
advice.
The
minister
on
a
whole
range
of
issues
is
well
laid
out.
B
The
the
my
Ministry
and
the
post-secondary
institutions
use
the
standards
that
are
set
by
the
border
to
develop
apprenticeship
education
programs
in
in
in
in
our
province.
Now
your
your
second
question
deals
with
support
for
for
students.
B
So
Alberta
has
many
options
to
support
apprentices
as
they
return
to
classroom
education,
an
extensive
scholarship
program
that
includes
the
Alexander
Rutherford
scholarship,
The,
Pride
featured
scholarship
and
the
high
school
apprenticeship
scholarship,
support
apprentices,
who
have
recently
completed
High
School
in
2022.
There
were
681
Bright,
Futures
and
high
school
apprenticeship
scholarship
where
were
awarded
now
so
in
budget
2023.
B
Let
me
also
say
this
that
that
the
the
partners
that
we
work
with
the
expose
youth,
women
and
Indigenous
and
indigenous
albertans
to
Skilled
occupations
and
build
connections
to
employers
and
paid
on
the
job
experience
in
my
Ministry
is
also
investing
more
than
10
million
dollars
over
the
next
three
years
to
develop
Innovative
learning
Pathways.
That
will
expand
support
for
albertans
wanting
to
register
into
apprenticeship
programs
and
create
more
opportunities
for
those
are
already
employed
in
the
trade
to
elevate
their
skills.
I
am
very
much.
B
I
am
very
much
committed
in
inclusion,
awareness
of
the
career
of
the
value
of
career
in
the
skill
trade.
You
know,
oftentimes,
remember
you
felt
about
the
the
doctrine
of
part
of
esteem.
You
know
we
want
to
make
sure
that
our
proteins,
our
young
people,
see
the
the
value
in
in
our
friendship,
education
that
they
can.
B
The
last
point
I
want
to
make
is
scholarships.
We
do
offer
a
lot
of
scholarships
more
than
900
scholarships
are
available
to
apprentices
every
year,
consisting
of
pre-apprenticeship
scholarships,
High
School,
apprenticeship,
scholarships,
our
friendship,
scholarships
and
our
friendship,
training,
scholarship
and
and
the
scholarship
ranges
from
a
thousand
dollars
to
two
thousand
dollars
and
fifteen
hundred
dollars,
depending
on
on
on
on
the
the
apprenticeship
scholarship
in
question.
Alberta
also
offers
our
brother
student
loans
Grant
a
true
Advanced
education.
B
So
our
brother
student
80
provides
provincial
loans
and
Grant
to
apprentices
registered
in
in
in
the
Alberta
apprenticeship
program
and
attending
an
approved
classroom
instruction
period
as
a
full-time
student
in
2021
2022,
the
average
student
loan
and
Grant
amount
awarded
to
apprentices
was
five:
five
thousand
six
hundred
twenty
two
thousand
dollars
compared
to
twenty
three
thousand:
nine:
six:
nine
dollars
for
other
posts,
secondary
certificate
students
and
23
955
for
other
post-secondary
diploma
students.
There
are
also
Federal
support
that
that
sometimes
you
know
comes
in
to
to
to
help
now.
B
Well,
I
think
what
happened
here
is,
as
you
know,
remember
again,
the
Alberta
base
operating
Grant
replaced
the
campus
Alberta
Grant.
So
so
the
grant
is
it's
still
there,
but
secondary
institutions
who
have
apprenticeship
programming.
They
still
do
get
based
operational
funding
from
Advanced
education,
to
support
instruction,
academic
support,
student
services,
operations
and
institutional
support,
and
so
on.
So
that
funding
is
still
there.
It's
just
a
change
in
nomenclature,
but
so
your
other
question
is:
what
happens?
What
happens
you
talk
about?
B
You
know
the
fact
that
that
some
of
the
teaching
Sports
have
increased
without
without
additional
support.
You
are
alluded
to
the
idea
of
operational
funding.
I
mean
brain
called
I
mean
again,
whilst
I
can't
speak
to
items
that
are
specifically
within
that
of
adverse
education.
What
I
can
say
is
my
the
advanced
education
of
my
department
do
offer
in-year
increases
like
as
I
said
in
my
other
remarks.
We
do
monitor
in
operations,
for
example
in
in
2013.
B
We
are
located
at
additional
funding
as
a
consequence
of
pressures
to
Northwestern
polytechnics
in
the
amount
of
341
800
and
said
where,
where
we
awarded
an
additional
one
million
three,
almost
1.4
million
dollars
to
deal
with
the
in-ear
pressures.
So
from
time
to
time
we
do
see
pressures
and
the
department
must
be
flexible
to
make
sure
that
the
funding
are
there
for
them.
A
A
J
You,
and,
and
so
just
touching
again
on
the
Alberta
Board
of
skilled
trades,
Minister
I
am
raising
concerns
that
there
is
not
enough
information
about
what
the
board
is
doing.
The
AIT
board
had
meeting
minutes
frequent
updates,
and
here
we
have
a
board-
that's
been
operating
since
July
of
2022
that
has
issued
a
single
newsletter
and
I'm
asking
you
in
your
role
as
minister
to
work
with
the
board
to
increase
the
communications
to
the
thousands
of
people
who
can
and
will
be
impacted
by
the
work.
J
The
board
is
doing,
especially
after
the
debate
that
we
had
on
Bill
67
and
all
the
questions
where
the
government
essentially
said
trust
us.
We
will
do
great
things
and
now
you've
gone
away,
and
this
board
has
gone
away
into
a
black
box
and
you're
saying
I'm
not
concerned
about
transparency.
They
met
with
me
last
week
that
doesn't
help
anyone
else,
minister.
So
so
I
am
asking
for
your
commitment
that
you
will
help
to
have
more
newsletters
or
something
like
just
some
insight
into.
How
is
the
board
thinking?
What
what
are
they
planning
to
do?
J
How
are
they
Gathering
input?
What
were
the
results
of
this
survey?
What
it?
What
is
the
engagement
plan
that
they
originally
said
they
were
going
to
have
in
October
2022.?
What
it
when
is
that
coming
with
that
said,
I
will
switch
topics
to
outcome.
Three
from
the
business
plan
objective
3.2
I'd
like
to
just
talk
about
the
fairness
for
newcomers
office
and
and
to
be
honest,
Mr,
speaker
or
sorry,
not
Mr,
chair
and
through
you
to
the
minister.
J
Some
of
my
concerns
here
are
really
similar
to
the
concerns
I
had
with
the
previous
board,
and
that
is
not
a
lot
of
information
being
shared
with
the
public
about
what
is
happening
within
this
office,
because
the
fairness
for
newcomers
office
opened
in
March,
2020
and
essentially,
nothing
has
been
published
from
them
since
the
2020
Baseline
questionnaire
summary,
and
that
Baseline
questionnaire
summary
went
out
and
took
self-reporting
from
the
professional
regulatory
organizations
that
are
under
the
legislation
that
is
is
related
to
this
did
not
measure
actual
timelines
and
in
fact
the
report
even
said
timelines
were
not
measured.
J
Instead,
we
were
asked
if
they
were
generally
able
to
meet
a
six-month
Target,
and
the
same
goes
for
the
interim
registration
decisions
and
so
I'm
concerned
that
we're
not
seeing
any
outcomes
and
in
fact
I
will
suggest
that
the
business
plan
doesn't
have
a
performance
metric
for
this
office
and
perhaps
that
would
be
appropriate
so
that
albertans
could
measure
what
the
work
is.
That
is
happening
here
at
the
fairness
for
newcomers
office
I'd.
Like
confirmation,
there
are
three
staff
at
the
fairness
for
Newcomer's
office.
J
It
appears
there's
a
fair
registration
practices
officer,
an
analyst
and
an
office
administrator
in
government
estimates
line
2.3
lists
the
budget
of
almost
1.2
million
dollars
on
page
124
initiatives
supporting
key
objectives.
It
said
the
ministry
will
allocate
486
000
to
the
fairness
for
newcomers
office
to
implement
the
fair
registrations.
Practice
act
I'd
like
to
know
a
little
bit
more
detail
about
what
that
money
is
being
spent
on
and.
K
J
Love
your
help
in
identifying
where
the
remainder
is
because
486
000
for
implementing
the
act
out
of
that
1.2
million
dollars.
Three
staff,
the
other
piece
I
was
able
to
find
was
the
Alberta
triple
track
satellite
site
pilot
project,
which
was
announced
just
a
few
weeks
ago,
listed
as
a
budget
of
two
hundred
thousand
dollars.
J
So
if
you
could
break
down
the
budget
of
the
fairness
for
newcomers
office
a
little
bit,
how
the
money
is
being
spent,
I
note
that
you
are
hosting
the
premier
Summit
for
fairness
on
newcomers
at
second
annual
I,
believe
this
coming
Friday
There's,
No
Agenda
information
available
to
the
public
I'm
curious
is
that
coming
out
of
the
486
thousand
dollars
mentioned
in
the
business
plan
as
well?
Our
members
of
the
official
opposition
able
to
attend
your
summit?
J
And
then
the
other
question
I
have
for
the
the
fairness
for
newcomers
office
in
my
set
of
questions
so
I'm
looking
for
a
better
breakdown
of
the
money
being
spent,
why
this
office
hasn't
published
anything
because
it
it
genuinely
leaves
me
with
the
impression
that
there's
been
no
material
change
when
it
comes
to
newcomers.
J
When
it
comes
to
the
credential
recognition
process
through
our
professional
Regulatory
Agencies,
how
would
I
know
anything
has
been
improved
when
there
is
no
information
other
than
the
information
that
is
on
the
websites
repeating
over
and
over
that
they
cannot
help
individual
cases
that
they're
only
looking
at
systemic
systemic
issues
and
I
can
appreciate
that.
But
for
the
many
many
newcomers
who
live
in
my
constituency,
if
I've
been
to
Millwoods
and
contact
my
office
very
hard
for
me
to
explain
how
this
office
is,
is
making
their
life
better.
J
Nothing
I
can
point
them
to
on
the
website
a
baseline
questionnaire
that
didn't
actually
measure
anything
just
took
self-reported
guesstimates
and
a
budget
that
is
not
clear
but
I'm
sure
you
will
clarify
that
for
me
next.
J
My
other
question
around
this
office
is
you:
have
the
power
to
collect
information
and
to
trigger
audits
under
Section
10,
sub
2
of
the
legislation,
and
so
my
question
and
I'm
wondering
if
these
are
happening
or
not,
but
have
you
have
you
initiated
any
of
these
audits
which
can
help
you
to
determine
whether
registration
practices
carried
out
by
the
regulatory
body
or
transparent,
objective
and
partial
procedurally
Fair
as
Minister?
You
would
be
the
person
selecting
the
auditor
if
you
have
triggered
Audits,
and
maybe
this
is
a
regular
part
of
the
work
that's
happening
now.
J
Who
are
you
choosing
to
be
the
auditor
in
in
these
cases
and
what
kind
of
background
do
those
Auditors
have
for
the
work
that
they
are
doing?
That
would
all
be
really
helpful
for
me
to
better
understand,
what's
happening
with
the
fairness
for
newcomers
office
and
with
three
minutes
and
30
seconds
left
I'm
wondering
if
my
colleague
The
Honorable
David
eggen,
would
like
to
ask
a
question.
Yes,.
I
I
My
stakeholder
questions,
I
had
asked
I
think
this
is
from
Sate
and
they
were
curious
to
know
what
is
The
Minister's
plans
for
Alberta
industry,
training
and
exam
period
exams,
moving
forward
the
past
the
pandemic
and
just
as
a
reminder
that
not
all
trades
in
the
province
of
Alberta,
our
Canadian
Red,
Seal
trades,
some
are
actually
designated
occupations
and
the
government
registers
those
apprentices
and
issues.
The
government
of
Alberta
Journey
persons,
certification
without
exam
periods,
and
so
in
those
programs.
I
There's
no
vetting
of
learning
outcomes
and
objectives
outside
of
a
training
of
faculties
that
do
not
issue
those
certifications.
So
they're
just
looking
for
clarity
around
those
those
exams,
and
that
would
be
a
useful
question
for
you
to
to
answer.
I
also
have
a
question
from
Nate.
They
specifically
said
that
there's
15
million
dollars
in
additional
funding
from
the
apprenticeship
learning
Grant
announced
by
yourself
the
minister
last
week,
but
is
there
additional
ALG
funding
still
available
as
in
years
past?
I
And
you
know:
I
just
received
a
10
minutes
ago
and
I'm
a
a
email
from
a
gentleman
that
he
wanted
to
say
that
dear
MLA
gray
and
again
it's
a
constituent
constituent
of
Minister
Matthew
I
am
disappointed
that
the
minister
doesn't
appear
to
be
answering
your
questions.
I
also
see
he
watched
the
estimates
that
I
did
on
Thursday
and
South
that
it
was
a
lot
more
helpful.
So
we
just
wanted
to
mention
that
you
know
if
you
can
be
more
specific
about
your
answers.
I
B
You
so
much
chair
and
I'm
gonna
go
back
to
the
comment
made
by
member
gray
about
the
Alberta,
but
of
skill
trade
with
respect
to
the
need
for
more
information
and
newsletters,
and
things
like
that.
As
I
indicated
in
my
earlier
remarks.
This
is
a
new
board.
We
are
working
with
them
to
establish
their
processes
and
to
make
sure
that
they
are
up
to
Speedy
and
I
think
one
once
they
begin
a
full
some
work.
We
are
going
to
see
more
information
being
put
out
there.
It's
something
that
I
support
so
so
stay
tuned.
B
Now,
with
respect
to
your
question
on
Defenders
for
newcomers
office.
As
you
know,
that
is
one
office
that
I
am
very
proud
of
the
work
that
they
do.
B
They
came
into
being
as
a
result
of
the
fair
registration,
Practices
Act
that
we
put
in
place
in
the
in
the
summer
of
2019,
one
of
the
earliest
pieces
of
legislation
that
we
put
in
place
to
send
a
very
strong
signal
that
a
foreign
Trend
professionals
that,
when
they
come
to
our
province,
that
they
have
a
reasonable
time
frame
for
the
regulatory
bodies
to
inform
them.
B
What
is
required
of
them
and
and
that
work
is
ongoing,
because
for
me
and
for
this
government
it
is
not
acceptable
for
many
of
the
regulatory
bodies
to
take
as
long
as
they
want.
Sometimes
it
takes
18
months,
24
months,
full
foreign
Trend
professionals
to
be
informed
of
what
expectations
are
before
they
begin
to
make
the
actual
transition
to
their
chosen
profession.
That
is
one
of
the
problems
that
the
the
fair
practices
registration
is
meant
to
accomplish,
and
so
I
am
proud
of
the
work
that
piece
of
legislation.
B
B
Regulatory
bodies
have
access
to
Equitable,
timely
and
streamline
registration
process.
Defenders
for
newcomers,
office
works
with
regulatory
bodies
to
streamline,
simplify
and
accelerate
the
assessment
of
qualifications
by
identifying
ways.
Alberta's
Regulators
can
improve
upon
and
speed
up
their
existing
registration
processes
for
all
individuals,
whether
domestically
or
internationally
trending.
B
This
is
done
by
ensuring
registration
processes,
requirements
of
the
ACT,
such
as
requiring
an
interim
registration
decision
to
be
provided
within
six
months
of
receiving
all
information
required
from
an
applicant
to
make
a
decision
and
having
a
regulatory
bodies
report
on
their
registration
and
assessment
practices
to
the
minister.
Defenders
for
newcomers
office
collect
data
from
more
than
70
aperture
Regulators
on
their
credential
recognition,
timelines
and
processes.
This
data
informs
work
with
Regulators
on
reducing
barriers
and
improving
efficiency
in
the
system.
B
Now,
analysis
from
of
2021
registration
data
provided
by
our
beta
Regulators
is
underway
in
December
of
2021.
The
fairness
for
newcomers
office
published
the
results
on
a
2020
Baseline
survey
wearing
regulatory
self-reported,
their
adherence
to
the
fair
registration,
Practices
Act
Now,
based
on
the
responses
to
the
edge
in
indicators
as
assessed.
B
Our
brothers
Regulators
bodies
are
mainly
compliant
to
the
act
with
59
indicating
the
majority
of
the
indicators,
the
three
percent
reporting
meeting,
all
the
other
indicators
and
eight
percent
meeting,
only
a
fee
or
indicatory,
and
yet
I
am
not
fully
satisfied
with
with
some
of
these,
with
with
some
of
these
outcome,
I
want
them
to
make
sure
that
they
are
ending
top
scores
when
it
comes
to
meeting
the
spirit
and
intention
of
the
ACT.
I
cannot
tell
you
that,
yes,
I
did.
B
We
did
authorize
an
audit
of
some
of
the
professional
regulatory
bodies
and
that
that
is
being
conducted
by
Deloitte.
There
is
an
audit
underway
with
respect
to
the
College
of
Physicians
and
surgeons
of
Alberta.
There's
an
audit
on
the
way,
with
the
with
the
College
of
registered
nurses,
of
Alberta,
with
the
College
of
licensed
practical
industries
of
Alberta,
as
well
as
our
Pagan
I.
That
I
did
with
respect
to
this.
Four
regulatory
bodies
are
ongoing
and
I
look
forward
to
the
report
of
of
that
of
of
the
audit.
B
Now
he
also
talked
about
staff
staff
Within
within
Defenders
for
newcomers,
office
and
I.
Think
you
are
alluded
to
three
staff:
I
want
to
correct
that
there
are
nine
staff,
so
we
have
been
beefing
up
that
particular
office
because
we
believe
in
the
work
that
that
outfit
does
the
and
so
and
the
the
office
itself.
The
body
for
that
particular
office
is
1.1
million
dollar,
that
is,
for
nine
fftas,
but
in
but
the
2022-23
the
budget
was
a
million
1.1
million
dollars
in,
but
the
23
24
the
same
amount
of
of
money.
B
Now
you
ask
for
what
the
what
the
what
the
budget
is
meant
for
as
you
as
we
can,
as
as
I
have
indicated,
the
salaries
and
benefits
is
about
a
million
dollars,
supplies
and
and
services
about
126
000,
and,
if
you
add
that
off,
if
you
add
that
up
it
gives
you
the
total
budget
for
the
ministry,
now
Mr
Egg
and
asked
about
some
of
the
questions
that
he
received
from
some
of
our
PSIs
I
think
it
was
said
talking
about
period
exams.
B
Now,
as
you
know,
you
know
the
the
period
exams,
post-secondary
institutions
have
a
very
strong
system
of
evaluation.
Industry
also
has
a
role
to
play
as
well
in
in
the
evaluation
as
they
deliver
80
percent
of
their
educational
industry,
80
percent
PSI
20
altogether
100
we
made
it.
B
The
the
overall
part
of
skill
trade
is
also
having
a
conversation
on
that.
So
by
the
time
that
we
get
a
sense
of
where
industry
working
with
prosecutive
institutions
and
and
obviously
those
in
the
apprenticeship
program
and
skilled
trading,
I
would
be
in
a
much
much
better
position
to
report
on
where
we
go.
Next
from
there.
A
Thank
you,
Minister,
member
again
for.
L
I
Well,
that's
that's
works
for
me.
I
would
like
to
talk
about
foundational
learning.
It's
one
of
your
biggest
line
items
in
your
budget
and
certainly
I
mean
as
so.
Many
of
these
things
are
there's
a
strong
overlap
between
Advanced
education,
but
I
would
suggest
as
well
K-12
education
too,
because
of
course
we
have
to
analyze
carefully.
I
Why
and
what
circumstances
are
someone
who
requires
foundational
learning
as
an
adult
when
I'm
trying
to
to
bring
them
up
to
speed
and
then
also
to
try
to
look
for
ways
to
you
know
ensure
that
we
have
less
people
in
that
position
as
adults
that
we're
pursuing
literacy
in
other
places
in
their
lives?
And
so
my
first
question
is
from
your
business
plan.
Page
123
performance
indicator
2.1.
I
You
say
that
you
want
to
improve
access
and
affordability
and
to
support
unrepresented
groups,
and
so
I'm
I
would
be
curious
for
your
ministry
to
describe
those
underrepresented
groups
of
which
you
speak
and
how
many
people
have
been
identified
as
being
requiring
foundational
learning
assistance
here
in
the
province
of
Alberta.
You
have
a
number
of
how
many
people
you
have
enrolled,
but
I'm
curious.
I
If
you've
done
a
speculation
or
research
as
to
how
many
people
are
out
there,
that
require
foundational
learning
supports,
because
you
know
chances
are
there's
more
that
we
want
to
help
them
kind
of.
My
second
question
in
regards
to
foundational
learning:
is
that
support?
You
know
you
say
that
you
want
to
support
albertans
to
improve
in
literacy,
numeracy,
language
and
so
I'm
curious
to
know
if
you
have
done
an
analysis
of
what
level
of
Education
people
who
access
foundational
learning
actually
have.
I
What
percentage,
for
example
of
that
group
has
not
completed
their
high
school
diploma?
That
would
be
a
very
important
detail
for
us
to
pursue
and
then
further
to
that,
as
your
ministry
conferred
with
the
Ministry
of
Education
about
how
we
can
support
students
who
are
at
risk
of
not
completing
their
high
school
education.
I
You
know,
maybe
they
are
a
new
English
language
Learners.
Maybe
they
require
special
ed
assistance
and
so
forth
I
mean
so
all
of
these
things
obviously
was
to
chair
through
you
to
the
minister
are
interrelated.
If
someone
did
not
get
the
supports
that
they
needed
with
as
a
new
Canadian
with
English
language
training
or
special
education
for
students,
then
of
course
they
become
adults
that
require
foundational
learning
in
order
to
get
a
trade
right.
So
it
all
kind
of
hooks
together.
B
You
chair
and
I
thank
the
member
talked
about
ask
about
foundational
learning
and
and
and
and
how
many
people
are
receiving
support.
I
I
can
tell
you
that,
but
the
2023
provides
an
additional
17.5
million
dollars
over
three
years
for
foundational
learning.
So
that's
a
good
thing
in
terms
of
the
statistics.
As
of
February
1
2023,
approximately
9900
veterans
had
received
a
foundational
foundational
learning
in
2022-23.
B
Identify
as
non-immigrant
for
the
seven
percent
identify
as
immigrant
25
identifier
as
indigenous
person
and
eight
percent
identify
as
a
person
with
with
this,
with
this
ability.
So
in
terms
of
have
we
consulted
with
education
on
on
High
School
from
time
to
time.
We
we
have
this
conversation
with.
A
E
Well,
thank
you
very
much
Minister
and
for
coming
out
here
tonight.
I
know
it's
been
a
long
budgetary
process
at
this
point
as
well
to
the
rest
of
your
team
that
helps
support
you
and
just
know
that
for
many
of
the
residents
of
spruce
grove
and
Stony
Plain,
the
work
that
you
do
is
extremely
valuable.
My
my
writing
is
I
would
say
a
blue
collar
writing.
E
We
have
a
lot
of
Trades
people
in
my
neck
of
the
woods
that
worked
out
of
power
plants
where
I
spent
many
years
on
and
I'll
be
touching
base
on
that,
as
well
as
the
Atchison
industrial
park.
So
I
have
a
I
come
from
a
long
history
of
Tradesmen,
actually
I
think
I
know
many
of
our
my
colleagues
across
the
floor.
They
talked
about
the
Building
Trades
and
the
impact
that
they
have
made
here
in
Alberta.
I
know
for
myself,
I've
actually
I'm
a
24
year
member
of
The
Building
Trades
of
local
1325..
E
You
know
I've
been
on
almost
every
industrial
construction
site
and
have
seen
men
and
women
involved
in
the
trades
and
the
construction
industry
over
many
decades,
and
so
I'll
be
touching
base
a
little
bit
on
that
I
guess
my
first
question
to
kind
of
kick
start.
The
discussion
here
for
tonight
is
really
pertaining
to
the
processing
time
for
the
regulatory
bodies
in
terms
of
applicants
that
are
applying
to
regulatory
bodies.
E
I
know
it's
been
told
by
many
members
of
this
government,
including
yourself
Minister,
about
wanting
to
cut
red
tape
and
wanting
to
make
sure
that
we
can
deliver
the
the
work
of
the
people
in
the
most
efficient
and
timely
manner,
possible
and
I
know
when
I
go
through
on
performance,
metric
3.03a
on
page
124..
It
talks
about
that.
The
that
the
the
period
of
time
between
2019
and
2020
for
first-time
applicants
actually
dropped
from
11
to
6
days.
E
So
I
think
that's
an
important
message
for
for
albertans
to
understand
about
how
your
ministry
has
continued
to
to
provide
services
in
the
timely
and
efficient
manner,
and
so
just
wondering
if
you
can
maybe
elaborate
a
little
bit
about
how
the
ministry
actually
achieved.
This
decrease,
which
is
actually
quite
substantial
in
terms
of
the
other
two
questions.
I.
E
Have
it
really
now
as
much
as
I
would
love
to
talk
about
apprenticeship,
programs
and
and
traits
I
really
want
to
zero
in
on
two
major
questions
that
I
have
and
those
really,
those
two
questions
pertain
to
getting
disenfranchised
groups,
individuals
and
organ
and
groups
of
people
that
are
currently
outside
of
Trades
involved
and
active
and
being
con.
You
know
productive
members
of
society
and
the
next
question.
E
I
have
really
has
to
involve
a
decal
program
and
that's
the
community
adult
learning
program
and,
as
you
know,
Minister
I've
actually
heard
you
melt
multiple
times
about
agreeing
and
saying
that,
like
Financial,
technological
literacy
is
extremely
important
in
these
current
times.
I
remember
when
I
went
through
my
own
apprenticeship
program
in
1998
way
back
in
the
day,
I
might
have
had
hair
back.
Then,
but
that's
a
different
story
and
you
know
seeing
the
types
of
Technology
the
drafting
rulers
at
Nate
that
were
being
used
to
be
able
to
get
into
the
trades.
E
You
know
I
think
it
was
a
65
average
at
the
time
and
and
which
I
was
quite
thankful
for
guys,
like
myself,
I
I
wasn't
one
of
those
big
time.
Academics
in
school,
but
I,
remember
just
the
level
of
technology
that
they
talked
about
it
to
be
able
to
get
into
the
trade.
So
when
you
compare
that
to
today,
you
compare
that
to
Unique
computer
literacy.
You
need
to
be
able
to
understand
some
more
advanced
math
I
mean
trades
is,
is
a
complicated
business.
E
It's
in
some
of
the
larger
structures
and
oil
projects
and
oil
sands
projects
involve
some
pretty
elaborate
calculations
and
it
takes
a
certain
amount
of
intelligence
to
be
able
to
kind
of
figure
it
out,
and
so
I
know
in
the
key
objective.
2.2
specifically
on
page
123,
for
the
numerous
people
watching
online
I
know
some
members
of
the
opposite
were
opposition
were
talking
about
some
of
those
people
watching
I
guess.
The
first
question
I
have
is
like
what
specific
targets
or
metrics
will
be
used
to
measure
progress
on
the
community
adult
learning
program.
E
Again
back
to
my
previous
question,
making
sure
as
a
government
that
we
are
actually
delivering
services
to
the
governor
to
the
people
of
Alberta
in
the
most
efficient
and
timely
manner
possible
and
then
I.
Obviously,
just
I
get
a
little
bit
of
elaboration
as
well,
but
these
programs
initiatives
under
this
community
adult
learning
program.
E
The
last
thing
I
kind
of
want
to
talk
about
is
something
that's
actually
pretty
near
and
dear
to
my
heart
and
that
really
has
to
deal
with
women
building
futures.
You
know
in
my
23
years
being
involved
in
1325,
I
have
to
honestly
say:
I
have
had
the
absolute
pleasure
to
work
with
some
absolutely
incredible.
E
Women,
Tradesmen
and
I
have
to
say
honestly
even
that
this
current
occupation,
this
current
part
of
my
own
journey
I,
have
to
say
I
work
with
some
pretty
incredible
women
here
at
the
legislature
as
well,
but
I
want
to
touch
base
specifically
on
two
of
them
and
it's
and
they
both
have
different
stories
and
one
is
one
is
named.
Essie
and
I
was
actually
just
working
with
her
yesterday
or
sorry
on
the
weekend.
E
We're
chatting
and
she's
a
young,
a
wonderful
young,
lady,
18
years
old
and
she's,
going
through
for
heavy
duty,
mechanics
and
I
will
say:
I,
admit,
I'm,
not
a
mechanically
minded
individual
I
I'm,
a
journeyman
carpenter
and
scaffolder
and
proud
of
it.
But
when
it
comes
to
the
mechanics
and
I'm,
definitely
not
there
and
I.
Remember
asking
her
question:
why
do
you
want
to
get
into
the
trades
and
just
I?
Remember
we're
walking
down
the
road
and
we
passed
by
actually
by
absolute
flute,
a
couple
of
old-time
trucks.
E
I'm
sure
there's
probably
some
members
here
that
would
probably
appreciate
it
and
she
started
gushing
about
this
Chevy
engine
and
she
was,
you
could
just
see
the
passion
in
her
eyes
and
and
her
voice
about
why
being
a
tradeswoman
was
so
important
to
her
and
it
was
cool.
E
She
was
telling
me
about
vehicles
and
working
with
her
hands
and
that
not
everyone
is
is
cut
out
for
for
maybe
White
Collar
trades,
and
then
she
summed
it
up
by
saying
you
know
what
I'd
also
just
want
to
make
just
as
much
money
as
the
boys
and
show
them
who's,
boss
and
I
mean
I
see.
It
was
just
awesome
to
see
another,
a
fantastic
young
lady
entering
Blue
Collar
life
and
the
other
one
I
just
want
to
touch
base
on
it's.
E
A
girl
named
Ronnie
and
Ronnie
I
worked
with
her
in
about
2003
and
she
was
actually
the
last
tournament.
I
worked
with
before
I
became
a
journeyman
and
I
was
a
third
year
apprentice
and
trying
to
move
up
and
again
just
I.
Remember
those
those
conversations
where
I
had
the
were
building
a
scaffold,
175
feet
up
in
the
air
at
Genesee
power
plant
in
2004.
E
E
How
can
we
make
blue
collar
trades,
open,
accessible
to
all
I
know
with
my
previous
question,
with
kelp
getting
people
involved
right
from
the
start,
providing
those
hard
skills
for
them,
but
then
also
just
with
women
building
future
about
you
know
and
I
guess
the
question
really
comes
down
to
is
like
how
you
know
with
your
own
yourself
Minister
and
some
of
your
experience
like
how
is
this
government
breaking
down
those
gender-based
barriers
for
skills,
trade
occupations
that
have
been
previously
dominated
by
men?
E
I,
remember
now
as
much
as
I,
appreciated
Ronnie
and
for
everything
that
she
was
teaching
me
back
in
2004,
I
have
to
admit
even
looking
back,
that
Ronnie
was
the
exception.
You
know
she
was
a.
She
was
a
powerful,
a
powerful
woman
and
she
knew
her
stuff.
I
mean
no
one
could
build
a
scaffold
better
than
she
could,
but
I
mean
she
was
still
a
part
of
the
minority.
There
was
still
a
male
dominated
trades.
Now
it's
changed
a
lot.
E
I
talked
with
a
lot
of
my
old
colleagues
and
it's
being
much
more
inclusive
and
I,
really
think.
Organizations
like
women
building
Futures
are
one
of
those
organizations
that
are
breaking
down.
Those
barriers
like
when
you
talk
to
them
and
you
go
through
I
know
a
couple
times
about
breakfast:
I
visited
them
at
their
sites
and
other
the
trade
halls,
and
you
listen
to
and
story
after
Story,
it's
like
single
moms,
kicking
butt,
showing
those
boys
whose
boss
and
actually
making
a
difference
and
really
doing
an
absolutely
fantastic
job
and
I.
E
Remember
even
talking
to
an
old
forum,
and
he
said
he
says
you
know
what
I
would
rather
give
a
million
dollar
piece
of
equipment
to
a
woman
that
was
trained,
a
woman
building
Futures
and
some
of
these
Punk
guys
because
they'll
trash
the
equipment.
E
Those
women
know
what
they're
doing
right,
they'll
treat
it
with
respect
right,
and
so
you
know
they're
fantastic,
fantastic
workers,
so
Minister
I
know
this
is
a
passion
of
yours.
I
want
you
to
just
maybe
perhaps
elaborate
a
little
bit
about
some
of
the
types
of
supports
that
we've
been
giving
them,
and
thank
you
very
much
for
allowing
me
just
to
kind
of
share
a
little
bit
about
my
story
during
this
block.
Good.
B
No
thank
you
chair
and
thank
you
Emily
Thornton.
You
are
absolutely
correct.
You
know
the
when
you
hear
stories
like
this
I'm
beginning
now.
With
your
last
question,
I
comment
there
you
you
get
to
see
why
it
is
important
that
we
we
do
everything
we
can
to
knock
down
all
kinds
of
barriers
that
that
face
some
folks,
including
women
and
and
underrepresented
communities,
indigenous
communities
and
and
those
who
have
been
out
of
employment
for
I
mean
for
a
long
time
looking
to
get
back
to
to
their
Workforce.
B
You
know,
you
know
the
reason
why
the
premier
established
a
focused,
Ministry
called
skilled
with
and
professions
is
to
make
sure
that
we
are
laser,
focused
on
on
the
needy
to
knock
down
barriers,
whether
to
for
women
or
for
those
who
are
coming
to
our
Province
from
within
the
country
who
are
seeking
to
come
to
from
Ontario
BC
Nova
Scotia.
They
come
to
Alberta
to
practice
their
their
professions,
their
skills
and
their
careers
or
those
who
are
coming
from
overseas.
B
You
know
we,
as
a
government,
made
it
to
significant
steps
in
2019
and
in
2021.
You
know
in
2019
we
we
passed
the
fair
registration,
Practices
Act,
a
consequential
piece
of
legislation
and
then
in
2021
we
passed
the
labor
Mobility,
Act
and
I
I
can
report
that
we
are
working
now
to
complete
the
regulation.
Another
part
of
the
cloud
a
lot
of
good
stuff
coming
there,
but,
but
you
know
Emily
Totten
back
to.
B
Let
me
take
you
back
to
your
first
question,
which
has
to
do
with
the
work
that
we
have
done
and
to
drop
the
you
know
to
drop
the
the
processing
time
from
nine
days
to
six
days.
B
B
The
whole
reason
why
we,
why,
in
our
in
our
parties
platform
in
2019,
there
was
a
whole
section
called
fairness
for
newcomers,
action
plan
that
action
plan
then
gave
rise
to
the
fair
registration,
Practices
Act
and
the
Defenders
for
newcomers.
Office.
I
would
also
note,
for
the
benefit
of
Committee
of
these
committee
members,
that
for
the
first
time
in
our
provinces,
history,
we
hosted
the
first
ever
Premier
Summit
for
on
fairness
for
newcomers
in
February
of
2022.
B
B
It
doesn't
make
any
sense
so
that
work
is
is
underway
as
we
speak
and
back
to
your
second
question.
Your
second
question
has
to
do
with
what
specific,
Target
or
methods
will
be
used
to
measure
progress
on
the
community
adult
learning
program.
And
how
would
the
programs
and
initiative
under
adult
learning
program
impact
abruptions
in
a
great
question.
Emily
in
the
community
learning
program,
ensures
that
adult
learners
have
access
to
a
part-time,
non-formal
literacy
and
foundational
opportunities
like
digital
and
life
skills
below
the
grade.
10
level.
B
Community,
adult
learning
program
support
rural
remote
and
urban
communities
to
make
learning
needs
and
are
often
the
only
Community
Based
provider
that
delivers
face-to-face
face-to-face
programs.
Now
a
true,
stable,
ongoing
funding
albertans
will
continue
to
have
access
to
learning
spaces
across
the
province.
The
program
ensures
that
adult
Learners
can
can
persist
in
learning
skills
that
they
can
use
in
their
everyday
lives
while
having
access
to
relevant
and
and
engaging
learning
opportunities.
B
Adult
Learners
also
benefit
from
community
and
adult
learning
programs
that
are
well
connected
to
their
community,
so
they
can
learn
close
to
home
specific
targets
and
metrics
include
the
number
of
Learners
that
have
participated
in
carb
literacy
and
foundational
opportunities.
It
also
includes
a
number
of
hours
of
learning
MLA
13
in
this
budget.
The
committee
adult
learning
program
provides
16
million
dollars
in
annual
funding
to
support
foundational
learning
opportunities
and
approximately
two
million
dollars
in
annual
funding
to
support
instructors.
B
Professional
development
to
increase
their
capacity
to
deliver
quality
learning
programs
and
I
will
look
forward
to
continuing
to
re-examine
this
particular
program
in
terms
of
what
it
might
need
in
in
in
future.
Now,
coming
on
to
your
last
question,
that
is
a
topic
that
is
very
close
to
my
heart:
women
building
features.
You
know
you
know,
and
you
talked
about
the
fact
that
there
had
there
is
a
6.25
percent
funding
increase
and-
and
that
is
important.
You
know,
as
we
hear
from
the
two
examples
you
know
of
some
of
your
colleagues.
B
It
is
critically
important
that
we
do
everything
we
can
to
knock
down
barriers.
In
fact,
I
did
it.
I
met
with
one
of
the
organizations
that
provided
apprenticeship
program
to
indeed
mostly
indigenous
women,
and
they
talked
to
me
about
how
they
have
run
into
difficulties
with
some
of
their
funding
and
I
had
a
conversation
with
the
you
know
with
the
Department
on
on
this
time.
We
all
agree
that
as
our
economy
booms,
you
know,
Alberta's
economy
is
booming
right
now.
B
Employers
are
in
needy
of
workers,
and
we
have
a
lot
of
women
who
are
very
much
interested
in
the
in
the
skill
trading
and
oftentimes.
There
are
barriers,
it's
not.
It
is
not
just
enough
to
say
we
have
those
seats
available
for
them,
but
oftentimes
there
are
obstacles.
There
are
family
circumstances,
there
are
child
care,
you
name
it
poverty
and
things
like
that.
B
There
oftentimes
are
prohibitive
of
them
going
into
the
skill
trade
that
they
love
so
much
and
so
in
my
department
is
looking
into
all
of
that
in
a
comprehensive
manner
to
make
sure
that
we
are
knocking
down
those
barriers
so
that
those
women
can
get
into
the
skill
trading
and
achieve
their.
You
know
their
their
full
potential.
This
government
recognizes
that
skill
trading
historically
have
been
male
dominated.
There
is
no
question
about
a
particularly
in
industrial
and
construction
and
construction
trade.
As
of
December
2022.
B
Approximately
5
700
women
were
registered
apprentices
out
of
a
court
of
forty
five
thousand.
This
is
an
increase
of
13
over
to
2021,
so
we
add
200
in
the
right
direction.
We
add
one
in
the
right
direction,
even
though
I
would
like
to
say
that
that
number
dramatically
go
up,
but
we
are
making
progress
and
since
the
scale
trade
and
our
principal
education
are
coming
to
force
in
July
of
2022,
my
department
has
been
working
with
Alberta
Board
of
skill
trading,
industry
and
post-secondary
institutions
to
create
a
more
flexible
and
efficient
system.
B
Evolving
and
and
modernizing
a
program
with
historical
additions
takes
focused
effort
and
time.
This
government
is
very
much
committed,
MLS
certain
to
making
sure
that
that
we
provide
all
of
the
support
all
of
the
resources
and
funding
to
our
key
partners,
and
that's
exactly
why
we
have
increased
the
funding
for
women
building
features.
A
E
Oh
absolutely
I
got
another
six
questions
actually
I'd
like
to
ask
in
20
seconds
in
20
seconds,
but
no
I
again
just
want
to
again
thank
yourself
Minister
and
thank
you
for
the
work,
obviously
that
you
have
done
and
and
just
know
that
there
are
but
albertans
watching,
not
just
on
TV
but
on
job
sites
all
over
this
province.
That
are
thankful
for
the
work
that
you
are
doing.
So
no
thank
you
very
much
for
that.
It
is
making
a
difference.
Hey.
A
Thank
you.
That
concludes
the
government,
Members
First
block
of
questions.
Now
we
move
to
five
minutes
of
questions
from
the
official
opposition,
followed
by
five
minutes
of
response
from
the
minister
I.
Please
remember.
Discussion
should
flow
through
the
chair
at
all
times,
regardless
of
whether
or
not
speaking
time
is
combined
and
after
this
block
of
questions,
we
will
take
our
five
minute
break,
so
everybody
is
aware:
Emily
Gray.
A
J
Yes,
thank
you
so
much
this
one
is
a
relatively
straightforward
technical
question.
I
hope
you
can
explain
it
to
me
on
page
125
of
the
business
plan
or
page
six
of
government
estimates,
the
statement
of
operations
shows
revenue
and
expense
and
then
there's
a
line
for
interministry
consolidation
adjustment
that
seems
to
show
a
reduction
of
44
million
dollars
to
the
the
ministry's
budget,
so
from
218
it
becomes
174..
I
just
would
like
to
understand
what
that
consolidation
line
is
on
page
six,
the
government
estimates
it
shows
a
lot
of
the
Ministries.
J
J
We
have
talked
about
the
board
of
skilled
trades
and
we've
talked
about
the
fairness
for
newcomers
office.
The
ministers
answer
on
the
audits
was
very
helpful
and
my
quick
follow-up
question
would
just
be:
when
do
you
expect
the
the
audits
that
are
underway
for
the
four
agencies
to
be
completed
and
I
asked
this
just
in
the
context
of
a
looming
election?
Is
this
something
that's
likely
to
carry
through
that
or
I
I?
Don't
know
how
long
an
audit
takes.
J
Improving
the
overall
Canada
credential
recognition
system
could
potentially
increase
the
annual
incomes
of
the
people
affected
by
an
average
of
fifteen
to
twenty
thousand
dollars
in
excess
of
three
billion
for
those
with
out
of
Province
credentials,
and
so
my
question
to
the
ministers
with
the
bill,
having
passed
in
November
2021
in
section
27
having
come
into
Force
December,
2nd
2021,
but
the
majority
of
the
bill
having
not
yet
been
proclaimed.
You've
referenced
a
couple
of
times
today
that
that
work
is
continuing
is
in
progress.
J
When
do
you
anticipate
being
able
to
Proclaim
this
and
again
in
the
context
of
a
looming
election
date?
Is
this
something
you
see
happening
before
the
election
that
this
work
will
be
proclaimed
it?
How
much
is
left
to
do
is
there?
Is
there
some
way
you
can
contextualize
that
for
me
and
then
I
think
I
had
a
sub,
oh
and
then
just
the
slightly
related
comment
was
just
in
the
business
plan
performance
metric,
3A
around
average
processing
time
for
domestic
applicants
who
apply
to
a
regulatory
body
in
Alberta.
K
J
But
they
even
before
the
labor
Mobility
act,
comes
into
Force,
they're,
really
good.
It
seems
like
now
these
would
be
average
I
and
so
I'm
just
curious.
If
the
minister
is
anticipating
metric
3A
is
going
to
significantly
decrease
once
the
labor
Mobility
act
comes
into.
Force
I
was
just
trying
to
connect
those
two
goals
as
we
go
through
this
estimates
process.
Now.
Oh
one
minute,
all
right,
I'm
gonna
pick
my
question.
J
The
minister
is
formerly
the
minister
of
Labor
and
there
are
pieces
of
this
ministry
that
come
from
labor
and
I
was
trying
to
map
things
out,
and
so
in
2022
the
ministry
of
labor
had
two
operating
expense
lines:
2.4
labor
and
attract
labor
attraction
retention.
It
had
a
four
million
dollar
budget
and
2.5
labor
qualifications
and
Mobility,
which
had
a
9
million
dollar
budget.
J
The
description
for
2.4
in
this
in
this
year's
budget
and
government
estimates
matches
the
description
that
was
used
for
line
two
point
2.2
and
so
2.2
in
your
budget,
labor
attraction
retention
and
Mobility
seems
like
it
might
be.
Carrying
over
from
labor
except
the
previous
budget,
was
9
million
for
that
line
item.
J
The
other
line
item
was
4
million
and
your
line
item
is
a
hundred
and
seventy
thousand
dollars
so
I,
don't
think
that
you've
dropped
10
million
dollars
out
of
Labor
attraction
and
retention,
because
it's
a
very
important
part
of
what
the
government
does,
but
if
you
could
help
me
to
identify
what
work
is
happening
under
this
line
item
in
your
ministry,
it
looks
like
an
enormous
reduction
during
a
time
when
labor
attraction
is
a
priority
but
I.
Imagine
the
remainder
of
what
used
to
be
Labor's
lines.
B
Thank
you
chair
and
to
I'm
going
to
let
my
assistant,
Financial
Officer,
respond
to
the
consolidation
question.
I
think
you
reference
44
million
dollars
in
reduction
and
things
like
that
or
if
I
can
have
all
in
love
to
respond
to
that.
Please.
L
So
when
we're
doing
the
consolidation
for
the
financial
statements,
we
can't
double
count
the
money
that
goes
into
the
post-secondary
institution,
so
that
what
you're
seeing
on
that
line
is
40
million
dollars
for
apprenticeship
and
approximately
two
million
dollars
that
flows
out
to
the
PSIs
and
all
that
money
is
accounted
for
on
an
accounting
basis
in
advanced
education.
Thank
you,
Mr,
chair.
B
Thank
you.
Thank
you
now.
Remember
your
next
question.
I'm
deals
with
the.
When
can
we
expect
the
audit
on
the
full
regulatory
bodies
to
be
to
be
completed
now,
as
I
indicated,
that
audit
is
being
conducted
by
Deloitte
I
mean
whilst
I
wouldn't
I
I,
don't
want
to.
B
You
know,
give
you
a
firm
that,
because
obviously
there
are,
there
are
circumstances
that
men
leads
to
them
having
to
come
back
to
us
for
an
extension
or
something
or
some
delays
in
the
process,
but,
generally
speaking,
we
expect
the
other
to
be
completed
by
by
March
31st
of
of
of
of
this
year
and
in
April.
We
would
then
begin
to
walk
with
the
the
party
donated
parties,
the
four
regulatory
bodies,
to
build
out
the
actions
that
we
expect
to
see
from
them,
depending
on
the
result
of
of
of
of
the
audit.
B
My
sense
is
that
by
Summer,
if
there
are
things
that
we
need
to
follow
up
on,
we
should
be
able
to
report
back
on
on
them
where,
for
example,
when
the,
if
we
finalize
need
for
for
best
practices
from
other
jurisdictions,
are
based
on
some
of
the
recommendations
coming
from
the
update,
then
we
begin
to
have
that
the
conversation
with
the
regulatory
bodies
at
that
point
in
time
now
you
also
talked
about
the
level
the
level
Mobility
act
and
how
the
regulation,
given
the
fact
that
the
Act
was
passed
in
2021
and
it
hasn't
been
proclaimed.
B
Yet,
as
you
know,
Kobe
intervened
it,
but
there
there
is
a
massive
piece
of
important
regulation
that
we
have
been
working
on
and
Consulting
with.
Stakeholders
want
to
make
sure
that
stakeholders
are
in
a
in
a
comfortable
place
so
that
when
the
ACT
is
proclaimed,
they
would
have
the
opportunity
for
for
for
easy
transition.
B
Based
on
the
expectations
and
the
regulation.
You
know
we
expect.
One
of
the
things
that
the
regulation
is
meant
to
do
is
easy
transition
of
a
professional
who
is
working
within
the
province
to
come
to
Alberta.
So
we
have
been
working
with
our
stakeholders
to
make
sure
that
that
that
that
they
are
ready
for
the
implementation
of
Mobility.
My
sense
is,
by
the
end
of
April
or
before
the
end
of
April
will
proclaim
the
art
and-
and
it
will
take
effect
immediately
now.
B
On
your
last
question,
you
talked
about
metric
three
three
a
and
it
deals
with
out
of
Province
and
and
improv
in
Province,
and
what?
What
that
time
frame?
What
I
know?
We
expect
to
see
a
reduction
in
in
the
in
the
in
the
amount
of
time
for
the
assessment.
That
is
the
goal.
B
The
goal
is
we:
we
want
to
con
to
see
continuous
progress,
and
there
is
no
question
in
my
mind
that
that
continuous
Improvement
is
a
goal
that
we
all
share
and
I
want
to
make
sure
that
the
the
professional
regulatory
bodies
here
in
our
Province
understand
that
that
they
needed
to
work
with
us
and
work
with
their
members
in
new
potential
members
to
make
sure
that
there
isn't
a
undue
delay
in
the
assessment
period,
because
when,
when
there
is
nothing
delays,
it
affects
that
particular
applicant
and
it's
not
just
for
them.
B
It's
their
families
is
their
self-esteem
and
so
I
am
very
much
committed
in
making
sure
that
we're
not,
as
I
said
before,
that
we're
not
done
all
of
all
of
I
mean
all
of
those
barriers.
It's
a
work
that
is
ongoing
and
I
look
forward
to
continuing
that
particular
work
with
them.
I
will
say
this
to
you
that,
based
on
the
conversation
that
I've
had
with
regulatory
bodies,
I
think
they
understand
that
Alberta's
Economist
women
employer
needs
workers
and
we
got
to
work
with.
A
Thank
you
Minister.
That
concludes
our
questions
for
the
official
opposition.
We
will
now
take
a
five
minute
break
and
return
in
five
minutes
for
government
caucus
questions.
K
K
K
K
K
A
Good
welcome
back
everyone
and
we
will
start
with
the
10
minute:
walk
for
government
caucus
members,
five
minutes
in
the
MLA
McIver
you
work
to
start.
Thank.
F
You
chair,
I'll,
jump
right
in
and
thank
you
Minister
for
being
here
and
for
your
good
answers,
thus
far
so
Minister.
As
you
know,
Albert
has
got
a
booming
economy.
That's
very
much
thanks
to
the
opportunities
providing
under
our
government's
economic
growth
and
we've
done
more
than
replaced.
183
000
jobs
lost
under
the
last
government.
F
So
there's
been
some
good
work
done
in
this
term
of
office,
we're
one
of
the
top
destinations
for
immigration
to
Canada,
and
yet
some
Alberta
immigrants
have
expressed
concerns
about
proper
integration
into
the
workforce
and
the
hurdles
have
to
go
through
to
get
their
education
and
skills
recognized
in
Alberta
line.
2.3
of
page
203
of
the
estimates
there's
1.175
million
dollars
allocated
to
fairness
to
for
Newcomer's
office
and
I.
F
Of
course,
I
don't
know
I'm.
This
is
near
to
near
to
my
heart.
My
father
was
a
welder
and
I
was
butchered
by
trade
and
my
son's
a
pipefitter.
Currently,
although
he
and
he's
had
a
very
good
career,
except
for
he,
was
out
to
work
for
a
period
of
time
during
the
last
government
as
part
of
the
183
000
jobs
sent
out,
but
he's
sure
gotten
lots
of
work
to
do
now.
But
what
are
the
current
number
of
apprenticeship
seats
and
post-secondary
institutions
on
line
3.2,
page
203?
F
How
many
more
seats
will
be
funded
with
the
15
million
dollars
over
the
next
three
years
and
is
the
trend
for
enrollments
up
and
if
not,
what
can
we
do
about
making
it
go
up?
I
think
that
that's
we're
gonna
need
the
people,
the
the
not
just
in
energy
but
the
whole
range
of
other
things:
construction,
lots
of
other
I.T
lots
of
other
technical
things
and
I
I.
F
Guess,
like
my
question,
is
like
what
are
we
actually
doing
both
as
a
government
and
and
what
are
we
doing
to
encourage
the
private
sector,
hopefully
with
our
cooperation
too,
encourage
them
to
get
more
people
into
the
trades
and
and
also
just
to
let
them
know
from
a
younger
age
starting
in
high
school,
that
the
trades
are
a
good
thing.
I
think
it's
a
pertinent
story
that
my
son
and
his
buddy
in
grade
12
were
in
a
shop
class
and
they
had
a
great
teacher
who
said
YouTube
own
hits.
F
I
am
got
an
opportunity
for
you.
I'm
I
want
you
to
I'm
going
to
help.
You
move
all
the
rest
of
your
classes
to
the
morning
and
in
the
afternoon
you're
going
to
go
framing
houses
and
I
got
a
crew
for
you
and
they're
gonna
they're
gonna
teach
you
and
his
buddies
a
finishing
Carpenter
now
building
some
of
the
biggest
most
expensive
homes
in
Alberta
and
my
son's.
F
You
know
15
20
years
into
a
pipe
fitting
apprenticeship
and
he's
got
it
ever
increasingly
so
I
guess
that
that
early
push
that
early
experience,
that
early
encouragement
or
is,
are
we
doing
anything
there?
So
that's
those
are.
Are
things
things?
Those
are
things
that
I
think
matter
in
terms
of
getting
the
two
of
my
two
questions
are
about
one
about
getting
the
workforce
here
and
getting
their
their
their
qualifications
recognized,
but
the
other
one
is
growing
our
own.
F
Getting
our
young
women
and
young
men
started
earlier.
If
we
can,
are
you
coordinating
your
efforts
at
all,
with
post-secondary
or
even
High
School
departments
to
get
people
thinking
about
or
introduced
to
or
experiencing
some
of
the
work
opportunities
that
this
province
has
to
offer
and,
of
course,
the
more
people
we
have
working,
the
better
and
the
less
people
unemployed
the
better
and-
and
why
not
here?
B
You
know,
Mr
McIver,
the
Alberta's
economy
is
booming
right
now
we
have
head
from
employers
that
their
biggest
need
right
now
is
labor
shortage,
and
we
know
that
it
is
not
going
to
get
any
better,
and
so
there
is
needed
for
us
to
think
a
multi
prong
approach
in
making
sure
that
we
are
doing
everything
we
can
in
post-secondary
institutions
to
train
the
workers
of
today
and
tomorrow,
but
also
to
make
sure
that
those
who
have
chosen
to
come
to
our
Province
to
fulfill
their
dreams.
B
B
B
We
can
afford
not
to
not
to
have
the
not
not
to
knock
down
the
barriers
that
are
oftentimes
on
the
path
of
foreign
trained
professionals
who
are
either
coming
from
out
of
country
or
those
who
are
already
certified
in
our
Province,
but
can't
satisfied
in
other
provinces,
but
have
difficulty
coming
to
work
in
our
in
in
Alberta
here.
That
is
why
we
are
working
with
all
of
the
various
regulatory
bodies.
B
You
know
to
make
sure
that
that
those
opportunities
are
going
to
be
there
for
them
with
respect
to
the
federal
registration
Practices
Act
as
I
entered
before
there
is
an
audit
going
on
with
four
professional
regulatory
bodies
to
make
sure
that
there
is
a
faster
assessment
process
in
place.
We've
made
progress
and
those
professional
regulatory
bodies
understand
that
that
they
they
need
to
make
it
easier
for
for
people
who
want
to
come
to
their
profession
to
make
that
easy
transition,
and
that
work
is
ongoing.
B
The
reason
why
we
are
we
continue
to
have
the
feelings
for
newcomers.
The
summit,
the
premier
Summit
and
finance
funding
Commerce,
as
I
said
before
we
had
one
in
February
of
2022.
We
are
having
one
on
March
17th
in
Calgary,
where
we
bring
together
the
leaders
and
and
the
heads
of
the
various
regulatory
bodies
and
immigration
consultants
and
other
stakeholders
newcomer
serving
agencies.
You
know
to
have
a
dialogue
on
what
more?
What
more
can
we
do
to
make
sure
that
we
continue
to
knock
down
opportunities
for
them?
B
On
your
second
question,
you
know:
Minister
McIver,
you
know
myself
and
the
minister
of
advanced
education
began.
This
work
in
budget
2022
with
with
with
the
Alberta
work
program,
where
the
government
made
a
historic,
the
largest
ever
investment
605
million
dollars,
and
to
to
to
make
sure
that
we
are
training
workers
giving
them
resources
to
upscale.
You
know
their
their
education
and
things
like
that
mission,
colitis
and
then
embarked
on
on
seat
expansion
in
critical
Industries
across
all
of
our
post
secondary
institutions.
The
initial
Target
was
seven
thousand
I.
B
I
was
at
Nate.
Last
week,
to
make
an
announce
to
make
an
announcement
of
an
additional
1000
seat,
expansion
in
our
in
our
post,
secondary
institutions
for
I
mean
I
mean
for
the
skill
trade
I
was
in
Calgary
last
month
to
make
another
announcement
at
Sage,
and
we
continue
to
do
that
particular
I
mean
I,
mean
I
mean
those
work.
I
want
to
make
sure
this
government.
B
I
Thank
you
very
much.
Mr
chair
I
would
like
to
ask
what
this
ministry's
strategy
is
to
allow
new
Canadians
to
get
their
credentials
to
practice
in
their
field
of
expertise.
You
will
know
that
our
new
democrat
government
will
work
with
colleges,
polytechnics
and
universities,
as
well
as
professional
regulatory
organizations,
to
provide
focused
testing
and
training
programs
that
new
Canadians
need
to
use
their
skills
that
they're,
bringing
with
them
to
Alberta
and
to
Canada
we've
learned
from
Beau
Valley
College
in
Calgary,
for
example,
and
NorQuest
in
Edmonton.
I
They
build
an
innovated
and
targeted
approach
where
students
are
attested
to
identify
their
strengths
and
deficiencies,
and
then
the
faculty
will
build
a
customized
education
program
to
suit
their
needs.
A
student
can
start
working
in
their
field
of
expertise
in
a
matter
of
weeks
or
months
rather
than
years.
So
this
is
something
that
certainly
we
support
and
I'm
hoping
that
skilled
trades
professions
would
you
be
pursuing
this
as
well.
I
My
second
question
is
in
regards
to
the
page
203
of
the
government
estimates
number
of
1.1
1.2
and,
of
course,
as
I
said
from
the
well.
We
all
know
that
this
is
a
new
ministry
and
many
people
would
like
to
know
how
offices
are
structured.
I
noticed
that
The
Minister's
office
has
a
budget
of
770
thousand
dollars,
which
I
think
is
quite
High.
Other
estimates
that
I
have
participated
in
have
considerably
lower
office
expenses,
even
when
they're
dealing
with
Ministries,
which,
with
much
larger
budgets.
I
So
can
the
minister
provide
a
breakdown
of
how
many
staff
he
has
employed
in
his
office?
What
their
salaries
and
roles
are
and
just
for
clarity
since
I
guess
this
is
a
new,
a
new
office
as
well,
and
my
third
question
is
in
regards
to
a
question
that
was
given
to
me
by
Sate
and
they
are
curious
to
know.
I
This
is
something
that
I
hear
all
the
time
from,
as
you
say,
the
11
colleges
that
you've
directly
related
to
with
skilled
trades
and
so
forth,
but
others
as
well
that
how
do
you
ensure
that
funding
for
apprenticeship
delivery
is
being
delivered
for
that
very
purpose
and
not
just
being
put
into
General
revenues
to
bolster
other
programs?
I
You
know
we
know
that
we
want
to
maintain
the
Integrity
of
the
independence
of
our
colleges
to
make
decisions,
but
since
you
are
making
a
lot
of
targeted
budget
announcements,
I
think
it's
fair,
that
you
should
be
auditing
to
ensure
that
those
monies
are
in
fact
being
used
for
exactly
what
you
are
describing
them
to
be
used
for
I
mean.
Certainly
we
we
see
the
colleges
and
universities
looking
for
ways
by
which
they
can
expand
spaces,
but
you
know
another
issue
in
this
regard
that
comes
to
mind
just
from
your
Mr
lovely's
comments
about.
I
You
know
not
double
counting
money,
I'm
curious
to
know.
If
these
targeted
initiatives
that
you're
announcing
in
university
schools
colleges
around
the
province,
are
they
built
into
you
the
budget
or
are
they
new
money
right
I?
Think
we
really
need
to
know
that
because
I
don't
want
people
just
to
be
re-announcing
things
along
the
way.
So
the
initiatives
that
you
announced,
for
example
in
Calgary
and
state,
is
that
built
into
your
budget
here
now
and
where
is
where
does
it
reside
and
just
for
the
sake
of
clarity,
I.
I
Think
that
that
albertans
would
like
to
to
know
that
so
just
in
one,
by
way
of
review
once
again
looking
for
ways
by
which
new
Canadians
can
practice
in
their
field
of
expertise,
the
expenses
around
your
ministerial
budgets,
and
that
we
would
appreciate
the
answers
to
those
questions
as
well.
We
know
that
albertans
wants
an
investment
in
true
skilled
traits.
B
The
the
members
first
question
deals
with
the
ministers
office
budget
of
770
000,
and
if,
if
you
look
at
the
budget
document,
you
will
find
that
the
the
budget
forecast
for
2223
was
113
thousand
dollars,
I
think
the
the
member
knows,
as
he
rightly
noted,
that
this
is
a
brand
new
ministry
and
that
that
was
created
to
provide
a
focused
attention
and
skill,
training
and
professions.
So
my
Ministry
oversee
the
development
of
ministerial
policies,
aligned
with
border
government-wide
objectives
and
priority.
The
budget
includes
salary
benefits
for
see.
B
There
are
six
full-time,
equivalent
positions
in
my
office.
It
the
budget,
includes
supplies
and
services
that
support
the
operations
and
the
activities
of
The
Minister's
office.
As
the
minister,
as
the
member
may
know,
he
was
once
the
minister
of
it
was
one
of
the
minister
of
education,
and
there
is
always
budgetary
allocations
to
for
The
Minister's
office
and
to
run
to
run
to
fulfill
the
responsibilities
of
the
minister.
So
this
is
not
that
this
is
not.
This
is
not.
There
is
no
exception
here.
B
Supplies
and
services
generally
include
costs
such
as
travel
telephone
office
supplies
and,
and
and
things
like
that,
and
if
you
take
a
look
at
the
breakdown
of
the
seven
or
seventy
thousand
dollars
salary
and
benefit
for
664
supplies
and
services
at
45
and
the
other
Supply
at
six
to
one.
That
brings
it
to
several
seventy
thousand
dollars.
B
Now
the
the
member
also
talked
about
talked
about.
Some
of
the
questions
that
he
received
from
from
State
I
would
I
would
get
back
to
your
number
one
question,
which
is
the
need
for
new
Canadians
to
get
their
credentials,
but
that
would
be
my
last
then
I
will
address
so
again.
B
You
know
when
it
comes
to
whether
or
not
how
do
we
make
sure
that
the
funding
that
we
provide
to
personal
institutions
are
being
used
for
the
the
that
particular
purpose
and
and
to
ensure
that
they
are
not
being
diverted
to
General
Revenue.
That
is
an
important
question
and
I
think
the
answer
lies
on
on
the
fact
that
the
those
PSIs
enter
into
a
funding
agreement,
a
grant
agreement
with
with
the
province.
So
there's
attempts
of
Grant
agreement.
B
They
are
required
to
report
back
to
us
and
there
are
performance,
metrics
and
so
I,
I
I,
don't
think.
We've
had
a
situation
whereby,
whereby
we
we
have
seen
grant
funding
been
diverted
to
General,
Revenue
or
otherwise
that
would
be
that
would
be
cut
up
when,
when
they
report
back
to
us,
my
expectation
and
government
expectation
is
that
when
PSS
I
apply
for
Grant
from
then
then
usually
specify
the
purpose
and
the
number
of
seats
and
how
the
money
should
be,
it
should
be
spent.
So
I
have
no
concerns.
B
With
respect
to
to
all
of
that.
Now,
back
to
your
first
question,
you
know
new
Canadians.
How
do
we
make
sure
that
when
they
come
here,
they're
able
to
get
into
their
chosen
profession?
That
is
something
that
is
important
to
me.
Member
again,
as
you
know,
I
was
trained.
B
As
a
lawyer
in
Nigeria
I
came
here
when
I
came
here
about
18
years
ago,
I
had
to
go
to
the
same
process
again,
so
this
is
something
I
am
very
you
know
familiar
with,
and
that
is
why
we
have,
in
our
platform,
fairness
for
newcomers.
Action
plan.
I
played
a
role
in
making
sure
that
people
like
myself
will
come
to
Alberta
in
pursuit
of
opportunity,
have
the
resources
that
they
need.
That
is
why
we
have
the
federal
registration,
Practices
Act.
That's
why
we
have
the
labor
Mobility
act.
That
is
why
we
we
have.
B
We
are
working
with
various
regulatory
bodies.
You
know
CPS.
That
is
why
we
have.
We
have
the
the
triple
track
assessment
by
Corner,
an
investment
of
250
000,
to
make
sure
that
healthcare
workers
who
are
trained
overseas
when
they
come
here
they
have
an
easy
part
to
get
to
their
chosen
profession.
That
is
why
we
enter
into
the
NYU
with
the
Philippines
to
make
sure
that
nurses
can
come
here
and
achieve
their
full
potential.
A
G
Thank
you
so
much
chair
and
thank
you.
Minister
for
being
here.
I've
really
quite
enjoyed
the
discussion
this
evening
and
you've
just
been
listing
off.
So
many
of
the
government's
achievements
in
this
in
part
due
to
this
great
ministry
of
skilled
trades
and
professions
and
I
again,
I'm
really
finding
it
quite
enlightening.
I
know
yourself
and
myself
and
many
people
are
passionate
about
it.
Ensuring
people
realize
their
full
potential,
including
economically
and
professionally
in-skilled
trades,
including,
as
you
were
just
mentioning
previous
in
with
foreign
qualification
recognition,
which
is
so
critically
important.
G
You
and
I
had
both
worked
in
the
labor
Ministry
years
ago
and
knowing
how
important
this
is
and
how
it
directly
impacts,
albertans
and
especially
new
Albert.
So
thank
you
so
much
Minister
for
the
important
work
you're
doing
here
in
this
great
ministry
of
skilled
trades
and
professions.
So
my
questions
Minister
this
evening
will
focus
on
adult
learning.
G
I
think
MLA
turton
had
a
few
lines
of
questioning
along
those
lines
and
then
also
I
want
to
Circle
back
to
apprenticeships,
specifically
and
I
want
to
focus
first
on,
of
course,
the
Ukrainian
newcomers
we're
doing
so
much
to
support
them.
G
I
want
to
learn
more
about
what
we're
doing
to
support
them
within
your
ministry,
having
to
come
from
a
terrible
war-torn
conflict
and
Country
due
to
Russia's
unlawful
Invasion,
which
we
all
condemn
strongly,
but
we
also
want
to
support
Ukrainian
newcomers
who
are
coming
here
fleeing
that
conflict
and
there's
a
great
long
history
of
Ukrainian
albertans,
going
back
all
the
way
to
the
1890s,
and
we
have
a
great
Community
as
well
in
Sherwood
Park,
so
I'm
just
wondering
specifically.
G
First
Minister,
there
has
been
again
an
increase
in
Ukrainian
newcomers
to
Alberta
as
a
result
of
the
war
brought
on
by
Russia
against
Ukraine.
There
has
also
been
a
need
for
more
grants
to
support
the
community
adult
learning
program.
That's
what
I'm
focusing
on
here
the
community
adult
learning
program
for
all
albertans,
so
line
4.2.
A
page
203
of
the
estimates
shows
an
increase
of
1.6
million
dollars
for
the
community
adult
learning
program.
So
my
questions
here,
how
will
this
additional
funding
be
used
to
help
disadvantaged
albertans?
G
G
We
have
great
volunteer
organizations,
working
I,
know
in
the
Edmonton
area,
including
in
Sherwood
Park
that
are
helping
to
settle
newcomer
ukrainians
and
one
of
the
big
things
I'm
hearing
for
need
is
a
ESL
supports
and
training,
so
that
would
I'd
really
like
to
know
more
about
that
Minister
and
then
also
moving
on
to
my
second
line
of
questioning
with
apprenticeship
moving
to
another
cohort
here,
specifically
self-identifying
indigenous
adult
Learners,
who
want
to
continue
with
lifelong
adult
learning.
G
So
the
ministry
of
skilled
trades
and
professions
provides
a
variety
of
supports
to
self-identifying
indigenous
adult
Learners
and
apprentices.
The
ministry
also
works
in
partnership
with
several
organizations
that
deliver
supports
directly
to
indigenous
albertans
to
encourage
their
participation
in
the
trades
now
in
line
4.3.
Also,
on
page
203
of
the
estimates,
there
was
a
23.74
increase
in
adult
learning
initiatives
here.
G
So
since
October
of
2022,
let's
say
roughly
Minister
what
grants
and
programs
has
the
ministry
put
in
place
for
indigenous
Learners
I'm
really
curious
to
hear
your
answers
to
these
two
lines
of
questioning
on
Ukrainian
newcomers,
but
also
indigenous
adult
Learners
I
know
your
ministry
is
doing
so
much
to
help
all
groups
to
remove
barriers
for
the
to
them
to
realize
their
potential
and
get
fully
connected
and
realize
their
dreams
within
Alberta
and
Alberta's
economy.
So
again,
Minister
just
thanks.
So
much
really
looking
forward
to
your
responses
here
this
evening.
B
Minutes,
thank
you
so
much
and
thank
you.
Member
Walker
and
I
do
want
to
thank
you
for
your
years
of
long
advocacy
and
good
work.
What
you
were
in
the
public
service
I
remember
all
of
the
good
work
you
did
with
respect
to
you
know
foreign
qualification
recognition
within
the
government
of
of
Alberta
and
and
that
you've
continued
that
work
as
the
The
Honorable
member
from
for
sure,
with
the
fact,
with
all
of
your
advocacy.
So
thank
you
as
well
for
for
your
work,
but
you
you
do.
You
did
ask
very
important.
B
You
know
question
which
has
to
do
with
our
support
for
Ukrainian
newcomers
in
the
context
of
the
community
adult
learning
learning
program.
You
know
I
I,
think
for
me
and
for
all
of
us
in
government.
It
is
very
important
that
we
provide
all
of
the
support
that
ukrainians,
who
have
come
here,
yeah
fleeing
from
the
disastrous
and
just
war
that
has
been
weighed
against
our
country
by
Russia.
B
That's
a
support
for
them
is
critical.
It
is
important.
They
know
that
they
have
an
ally
in
our
government
and
in
Alberta.
Our
proteins
have
a
very
strong
generational
relationship
with
with
Ukraine
some
of
some
of
the
early
Arbiters
come
from
come
from
Ukraine,
and
we
need
to
show
solidarity
with
them
in
this
moment.
Of
of
that,
they
need
us,
and
that
is
why
remember
that
we
have
provided
16
million
dollars
annually
to
support
foundational
learning
opportunities
and
approximately
2
million
in
annual
funding
to
professional
development,
to
increase
their
capacity
to
deliver
quality
programs.
B
You
know,
I
I
was
very
happy
a
couple
of
days
ago
to
announce
a
grant
of
twelve
thousand
dollars
to
boost
it.
Pushed
to
the
radio
Public
Library
to
help
Ukrainian
newcomers
learn
English,
and
this
is
money
from
budget
2022..
The
libraries
adult
literacy
program
has
been
has
seen
a
jump
in
demand
over
the
past
year
with
many
newcomers
from
Ukraine
arriving
in
the
radio
area
and
not
just
with
the
area
but
across
across
our
Province.
B
At
this
additional
funds
have
allowed
the
library
to
add
seven
more
classes
of
12
to
17
people
and
to
replenish
resources
used
by
Learners
who
work
one-on-one
with
with
volunteer
tutors.
It's
critical
important
language
being
able
to
get
employment
when
they
come
from
Ukraine
and
the
English
language
English
as
a
second
language
and
classes.
All
of
those
things
are
going
to
help
them
to
make
a
fast
transition.
B
The
funding
that
we
provide
support,
an
area
of
services
and
such
as
general
General,
equivalent
diploma
and
support
mental
health
substance,
abuse,
abuse,
Family,
Violence
awareness,
indigenous
and
French,
and
language
and
language,
Services
diversity
and
inclusion,
programming,
parenting
skills,
family
literacy,
programs,
job
search
and
resume
support,
exam,
invigilation
information
and
post-secondary
and
learning
opportunities
form
completion,
support
newcomer
support,
unnamed
it
we
are,
we
are
also
working
with
you-
know,
immigration
agencies
to
make
sure
that
they
have
this.
They
have
the
resources
that
they
need.
B
They
continue
to
provide
ongoing
support
for
for
ukrainians
who
are
coming
from
our
Province,
and
there
is
no
question
a
member
Walker
that
the
influence
of
displaced
equations
into
our
brochure
has
added
additional.
We
have
as
a
we,
have
added
additional
programming
and
support,
as
required
on
a
volunteer
basis,
but
your
your
last
question,
there's
with
a
self-identifying
indigenous
adult
Learners
and
some
of
the
support
that
we
have
provided
to
them.
I
can
tell
you
remember
that
that
we
have
provided
beginning
in
2022.
B
Our
government
has
provided
a
grant
of
750
000
over
three
years
to
support
the
trade
winds
success
to
training
Society.
This
is
the
organization
that
I
told
I
met
a
couple
of
weeks
ago,
and
they
do
important
work
and
I
am
very
glad
that
we
are
supporting
them.
This
is
an
indigenous
lady,
non-profit
that
works
with
partners
and
Industry
to
provide
a
shop
experience
and
training
to
prepare
indigenous
albertans
for
Apprenticeship
Training.
The
funding
create
space
for
100
students
over
three
years.
J
You
very
much
I
am
going
to
go
back
to
a
question
I
I
attempted
earlier,
but
I
might
have
been
a
little
too
quick
with
it,
but
essentially
I'm
asking
for
on
page
203
of
the
the
GE
2.2
line,
labor
attraction
retention
and
Mobility
and
I'm
asking
how
it
relates
to
the
previous
labor
Ministry
line,
labor
attraction
and
retention,
because
while
they
have
the
same
description
and
they
have
similar
names
under
labor,
it
was
a
four
million
dollar
line.
J
And
here
it's
much
less
as
well
as
the
what's
going
on
in
that
particular
line
item.
It's
also
at
420
000
this
year
and
dropping
in
the
estimates
to
170
000..
So
I'd
just
like
to
understand
that,
because
under
labor
there
was
Labor
attraction
and
retention,
and
then
there
was
another
line
for
labor
qualification
and
Mobility,
which
had
another
nine
million
dollars
in
it.
J
And
so
just
trying
to
map
where
things
are
moving
between
Ministries
I
was
hoping.
You
could
walk
me
through
line
2.2,
just
a
little
bit
more.
J
What
is
coming
out
of
that
line
similar
question
labor
market
development
agreement,
money
flowing
through
the
federal
government
I'm
familiar
with
lmda
money
as
it
gets
spent
in
the
labor
Ministry,
what
it
used
to
be,
which
I
believe
now
is
jobs,
economy
and
Northern
development
I
was
just
hoping
the
minister
could
break
down
how
the
153
million
dollars
of
lmda
dollars
are
used
within
the
skilled
trades
and
prevention's
Ministry
I'd
just
like
to
make
sure
I
understand
which
parts
of
the
ministry
are.
Are
that
flow
through
Federal
funding?
J
Sorry
I
guess
it
may
not
be
flow
through,
but
you
can
walk
me
through
what
that's.
What
that
particularly
looks
like
and
I
think
that
would
be
great.
J
The
other
thing
I
wanted-
and
this
is
more
of
a
a
a
political
question,
but
within
the
business
plan
for
the
skilled,
trades
and
professions,
the
ministers
mandate
so
clearly
speaks
to
supporting
the
skilled
trades
and
supporting
those
professions,
and
we
know
that
we
need
to
do
more
and
more
training,
especially
with
the
labor
shortage
coming
up
and
just
recently,
the
official
opposition
did
an
announcement,
one
of
those
political
looking
towards
the
election
announcements,
that
a
future
ADP
government
would
work
to
fund
Union
training
centers,
because
Union
training
centers
are
provincially,
recognized
Educators
like
Nate
and
Sate,
but
they
don't
receive
provincial
funding,
but
they
train
hundreds
of
thousands
of
skilled
workers.
J
They
turn
out
some
of
the
the
highest
skilled,
safest
workers
in
the
trade
Workforce
they're
well
recognized,
but
they
don't
receive
provincial
funding.
That's
actually
quite
unique
in
Canada
in
other
provinces
they
do,
and
so
one
of
the
things
that
happens
in
politics
is
good.
Ideas
belong
to
everyone
and
when
we
made
that
announcement,
I
wondered
if
we
wouldn't
see
funding
towards
Union
training
centers
in
the
upcoming
government
budget,
and
it
appears
you've
chosen
not
to
do
that.
J
So,
given
Union
training,
centers
have
paid
for
infrastructure
the
ability
to
skill
up
thousands
of
apprentices
and
they
aren't
provincially
recognized
Educators.
This
question
is
for
the
ministers:
just
have
you
considered
working
with
Union
training
centers
like
the
Building
Trades
that
Emily
turton
was
speaking
about
earlier,
or
has
that
not
been
considered
by
by
you
and
your
government,
because
that
was
something
I
I
was
looking
for
in
the
budget
and
the
business
plan
and
did
not
see
so
line.
J
J
For
me,
I
was
also
curious
around
the
the
line
item
to
do
with
premiums
fees
and
licenses
I
believe
there
was
yeah
some
money
here
on
your
Revenue
I'm,
looking
at
page
125
of
the
business
plan
for
premiums,
fees
and
licenses
and
just
not
being
as
familiar
with
your
ministry
I,
don't
know
what
those
fees
are
in
relation
to.
So
some
of
these
are
a
little
bit
detailed
questions,
but
it
would
really
help
me
to
understand
your
budget,
so
thank
you
very
much.
Minister
thank.
B
You
Jim
and
thank
you
member
great
for
your
questions
again.
I
think
remember
great,
as
you
know,
to
your
first
question.
The
previous
level
on
immigration
minister
and
the
the
the
previous
jobs
economy
and
Innovation
Ministry
were
reformed
to
now:
give
birth
to
the
current
Ministry
of
jobs,
economy
and
Northern
development
and
the
ministry
of
kuwaits
immigration
and
multiculturalism,
and
my
own
Ministry
of
Ministry
of
skill,
trade
and
professions.
B
So
what
you
I
think
you
are
looking
at
line
item
2.2,
labor
attraction,
retention
and
mobility,
and
you
you
are
wondering
from
the
previous
budget.
You
saw
a
reference
to
four
million
dollars
in
expenditure,
another
for
Saturday
this
one
at
seventy
thousand
dollars
here.
Their
reform
of
those
Ministries
explains
that
there
are
a
portion
of
of
the
work
that
was
previously
done
by
labor
and
immigration
that
went
over
to
the
trade
immigration
multiculturalism,
and
it
does
make
sense
that
those
expenditures
will
go
with
them.
B
So
that
explains
that,
for
you
remember
Graham
now,
with
respect
to
you
know
that
you
were
expecting
to
see
to
see
a
funding
for
trade
training
centers
again,
I
can't
speak
to
speak,
I
mean
speak
to
that
we
have,
but
the
2023
I
value
the
work
of
you
know:
trade
unions.
B
They
are
a
vital
key
Partners,
but
I
mean
ultimately
I
think
what
Alberta's
economy
is
booming
right
now
we
are
focused
on
creating
jobs
and
and
opportunities
for
for
albertans
and
making
sure
that
the
skills
that
that
our
partners,
employers,
PSIs
and
these
are
going
to
be
there
for
I
mean
for
them
and
and
if,
if,
if
we
find
that
it
is
something
that
is
required
in
future.
Obviously
we
would
be
able
to
to
have
that
considerations.
B
Currently,
approximately
99
of
our
apprentices
attended
are
one
of
the
post-secondary
institutions
and
approximately
one
percent
of
our
apprentices
attend
a
union
Training
Center.
So
so
so
I
can't
really.
You
know,
speak
to
that
particular
issue
at
this
point
now
those
are
decisions
made
by
treasury
board
in
budget
2023..
Now
you,
you
talked
about
premiums,
fees
and
licenses
in
in
on
page
one,
two:
five
of
the
of
of
the
business
of
the
business
plan
and
I'm
trying
to
I'm
trying
to
figure
out
what
what
what
the,
what
those
are
so
so.
B
On
on
that
premiums,
phase
and
licenses,
the
you
have
revenue
generated
from
exam
fees
that
are
charged
to
apprentices
when
they
take
the
Red
Seal
exam.
B
And
then
you
have
recoveries
from
under
other
Revenue
recovers
from
foundational
learning
support,
and
then
you
have
fees
that
get
reimbursed
back
from
institutions
when
they
do
not
attempt
by
and
large
the
premium
fees
and
licenses
are
revenue
generated
from
exam
fees
that
are
charged
to
apprentices
when
they
take
the
red
sale,
exam
I.
Let
me
also
you
know
finally
added
that
I
mean
again
back
to
back
to
your
first.
B
But
your
first
question
again,
though,
there
are
three
Ministries
that
that
has
responsibility
for
the
previous
budget,
that
amount
of
money
that
you
refer
to
the
four
million
dollars,
and
it
does
make
sense
that
some
of
those
expenditures
will
go
to
the
appropriate
Ministry,
I
hope
I'm
clear
on
that.
A
Well,
thank
you,
chair.
Okay,
thank
you,
Minister.
We
will
go
to
the
government
caucus
now
and
Emily
Rose
wall
and
the
floor
is
yours.
Thank.
D
You
very
much
well
I
got
to
tell
you
the
questions
I
was
going
to
ask,
were
quite
completely
handled
by
the
opposition,
so
I'll,
but
I
do
want
to
give
you
a
chance
to
to
expand
it
on
it.
If
you
want
the
I'm
trying
to
get
a
handle
on
the
foundational
learning
part
of
things
and
I
see
in
in
here
that
it
provides
grant
funding
to
students
who
support
transition
to
both
secondary
studies
and
helps
them
find
employment,
so
it
covers
tuition
fees,
books
eligible
living
costs.
D
So
what
kind
of
person
fits
that
like?
Is
there
an
income
part
to
this,
or
is
it
any
kid
coming
out
of
high
school?
Could
you
know
like
that
would
have
been
great
if
I
could
have
got
it
like
when
I
went
to
University,
but
but
I'm
just
wondering
who
qualifies
for
foundational
grants
and
who,
who
are
you
trying
to?
Who
are
you
trying
to
help?
Is
it
a
specific
group
of
people
or
not?
D
You
know
you're
spending
some
more
more
money
there,
so
I'm
just
trying
to
see
if
there's
there's
an
answer
to
that
and
and
then,
if
you
want
to,
if
there's
something
you've
left
unsaid
in
the
skill,
trades
and
apprenticeship
act
like
that's,
been
covered
by
a
lot
of
different
questionnaires
tonight
and
you
know
feel
free
to
to
expand
on
that.
If
you
got
anything
left
to
say
so,
with
that
I'll
pass
it
on
to
MLA
alert.
C
Thank
you,
Emily
Rosewell
and
thank
you
Mr
chair.
So
we
have
talked
a
lot
about
skilled
trades
this
evening,
which
is
I,
would
argue
a
large
portion
of
your
ministry.
But
professions
is
the
other
part
and
I
wanted
to
talk
a
little
bit
about
Healthcare
professions
in
particular.
Well,
we've
all
lived
through
the
pandemic
and
we
learned
a
lot
from
it.
C
I
would
argue
that
the
pandemic
was
a
highlighter
and
it
showed
us
a
number
of
issues
across
government
and
government
Service
delivery,
and
certainly
it
highlighted
the
importance
of
an
adaptable
and
resilient
Health
Care
system,
and
so
we've
we've
seen
some
things
that
we
need
to
do
differently
and,
and
maybe
we've
learned
about
attraction
and
retention
and
how
critical
that
is
and
being
from
Grand
Prairie
with
a
brand
new
hospital.
It's
certainly
top
of
mind
for
my
constituents
that
we
are
able
to
staff
that
hospital
now
that
we
have
that
beautiful
facility
open.
C
So
Minister
I
wanted
to
spend
a
few
minutes
talking
to
you
about
this
challenge.
We
know
that
Healthcare
Systems
across
the
country
are
struggling
to
find
enough
staff
and
I
would
argue,
probably
across
the
world.
I'm
glad
to
see
that
that
this
government
under
your
ministry
is
taking
strong
action
to
resolve
the
shortage
in
Alberta,
but
I
know
that
it
takes
time.
C
C
So
I
just
wanted
a
little
bit
more
clarity.
Can
you
expand
more
on
what
the
triple
track
satellite
pilot
project
is
and
how
it
will
reduce
Staffing
shortages
in
our
health
care
sector
in
the
short
and
medium
term,
I
also
wanted
to
know
if
there's
any
way
for
nurses
that
were
internationally
educated
that
happen
to
already
be
here
in
Alberta
or
in
Canada.
If
they
can
partake
in
that
program
as
well,
I
don't
have
a
lot
of
time
left
I'm
going
to
use
up
my
last
minute
and
then
I'll
come
back
to
me.
C
I
guess
in
the
next
block,
I
I
wanted
them
to
dovetail
onto
that.
We
know
that
if
there's
a
shortage
of
nurses
that
impacts
the
work
of
doctors
and
vice
versa,
if
there's
a
shortage
of
doctors
and
we
need,
we
need
a
ample
supply
of
both
professions
to
have
our
hospitals
and
Healthcare
System
running
well.
C
So
I
wanted
to
know
under
your
ministry.
What
is
being
done
to
ensure
doctors
from
other
jurisdictions
are
being
licensed
in
Alberta
by
cpsa,
in
a
timely
fashion
and
with
reasonable
requirements,
given
their
training
and
experience.
Particularly-
and
this
is
a
Grand
Prairie
example-
a
foreign
trained
physician
who
may
have
practiced
in
other
provinces
or
territories
for
a
number
of
years
and
then
wants
to
move
to
Alberta
and
they're
being
asked,
in
my
opinion,
some
crazy
things
like.
C
Just
it's
exceedingly
frustrating
when
we
look
at
the
health
care
shortages
that
we
are
experiencing
right
across
the
country
that
we
can't
streamline
this
so
I'm,
hoping
that
you
have
a
really
exciting
answer
for
me
with
respect
to
the
doctors
and
nurses
and
finally,
with
my
last
17
seconds,
what
is
the
Alberta
Government
doing
to
knock
down
barriers
newcomers
face
in
order
to
bring
in
internationally
trained
healthcare
workers
in
general,
and
that
would
be
all
Allied
Health,
not
just
doctors
and
nurses,
because
we
know
that
they
all
go
hand
in
glove
and
with
that
I
will
let
the
minister
take
a
shot
at
these
questions.
B
Thank
you
so
much
and
thank
you,
member
Roswell
and
remember
a
lot
for
for
your
questions.
I'm,
going
to
begin
with
a
member,
roswell's
question
and
I
think
your
question
brothers
and
and
who
are
the
folks
that
benefit
from
foundational
learning
assistance
grant,
broadly
speaking,
member
Roswell
they're,
all
folks
who
are
underemployed
or
unemployed
and
who
are
looking
for
employment
opportunities
or
looking
to
upskill,
their
skills
and
looking
forward
to
sharpen
their
skills
or
upgraded
their
their
education
and
to
have
a
better
chance
at
finding
employment.
B
But
the
the
and
I
think
that
Grant
is
important
because
it
creates
access
to
adult
learning
opportunities
and
supports
that
support.
This
government's
priorities
to
upskill
and
reskill
unemployed
albertans
for
jobs
where
there
is
a
labor
market
demand.
That
really
is
the
focus
of
the
Grant,
and
we
see
that
today,
as
I
travel
across
our
Province
meeting
with
11
PSIs.
B
Also
hear
that
from
places
like
Northwest,
you
know
Northwest
College,
where
they
deal
with
a
lot
of
ethnocultural
of
people
who
are
trendy
or
overseas,
many
of
whom
can
when
they
come
in,
they
struggle
with
language
barriers,
destroy
struggle
with
the
computer
literacy,
they
struggle
with
all
kinds
of
child
care
problems,
and
so
those
are
some
of
the
things
that
this
grant
is
meant
to
meant
to
address.
These
programs
help
build
those
foundational
and
skills
development
competencies.
For
our
broad
terms,
we
wanting
to
go
and
to
further
education
to
gain
employment
in
budget
2023.
B
We
they.
We
have
the
foundational
and
assistant
grants
at
99.2
million
dollars,
because
we
believe
this
is
a
worthwhile
investment,
and
we
know
that
there
are
gaps
in
our
labor
market.
We
know
that
there
are
labor
markets
that
there
are.
There
are
job
shortages
we
have
from
employers,
mostly
in
the
construction
industry.
B
I
mean
you
name
it
even
in
the
service
industry
that
they
are
short
of
workers,
and
we
want
to
make
sure
that
we're
preparing
our
buttons
for
the
jobs
not
just
of
today
but
tomorrow,
but
also
that
our
better
employers,
our
economy,
is
able
to
benefit
from
from
those
individuals
who
are
unemployed
but
would
like
to
get
employment
or
or
first
for
my
indigenous
communities.
We
will
face
all
kinds
of
barriers
to
employment.
We
want
to
help
them
knock
down
those
those
barriers.
B
You
know,
remember:
Aladdin,
talks
about
healthcare
workers
and,
as
a
you
know,
we
we
saw
the
impact
of
the
pandemic.
It
opened
up
and
showed
up
the
Gap
in
our
in
our
hair
care
system
and
they
need
for
us
to
work
together.
You
know
to
make
sure
that
we
we
are
training.
We
are
providing
the
support
for
healthcare
workers,
whether
they
are
trendy
here
or
where
they're
coming
from
overseas.
You
know
I
mean
you
said
one
of
the
things
we
did.
B
It
was
to
provide
the
200
000
to
the
quality
of
nurse
registered
nurses,
of
our
beta
for
the
development
of
an
Alberta
side
to
conduct
competency
assessment
for
internationally
educated
nurses.
That
is
also
why
we
are
we
promulgated,
the
labor
Mobility
act
to
make
sure
that
folks,
who
are
trending
in
this
Pro
country
who
work
in
BC
and
Ontario
novascosa,
can
come
to
Alberta
and
work.
That
is
why
we
we
put
forward
the
the
federal
registration
Practices
Act.
B
That's
why
we
are
working
with
the
College
of
physician
and
sergeant
of
our
daughter
to
knock
down
barriers.
Just
just
this
morning,
I
read
an
article
from
from
Manitoba.
The
Manitoba
government
is
removing
a
particular
exam
that
for
medical
doctors
and
I
am
looking
forward
to
learning
more
about
that
particular
program
in
Manitoba,
so
that
we
can
follow
suit,
because
we
want
those
healthcare
workers
to
come
here
in
Alberta
to
work.
I
don't
want
them
to
go
to
Manitoba
or
to
saskatchew.
Any
warehouse
I
want
them
to
come
here.
A
Hey,
thank
you
Minister,
and
now
we
move
to
the
official
opposition
caucus
MLA
again,
you
may
proceed
with
up
to
five
minutes
of
questions.
Yes,.
I
I'm,
noting
still
that,
of
course,
we've
had
the
highest
increases
in
tuition
in
the
in
the
country
here
in
Canada,
and
so,
if
you
can
open
up
all
the
spaces
you
like,
but
if
it
seems
to
be
deemed
unaffordable
for
people,
especially
young
people,
than
they're
less
likely
to
to
make
that
choice
and
so
to
make
affordable
choices.
Part
of
that,
as
I
said
said
before,
is
to
expand
apprenticeship.
I
Certainly
around
the
province
but
to
make
sure
that
apprentices
are
receiving
compensation
for
the
labor
that
they
are
engaging
in
while
they
are
doing
that
training,
and
so
that's
the
big
ski
to
success.
To
so
many
of
our
traditional
traits
like
plumbers
and
pipefitters
and
so
forth,
is
that
they
are
getting
a
pay
that
can
help
them
go
through
school,
and
so,
while
they
are
getting
their
journeyman
tickets
so
forth,
we
need
to
expand
that
concept
so
that
we
have
paid
practicum
opportunities
for
students
so
that
you're
not
ending
up
with
on
manageable
debts.
I
When
you
finish
your
when
you
finish
your
education
as
well,
when
you
are
talking
about
building
new
spaces
and
investing
in
skilled
trades
and
so
forth,
you
have
to
remember
that
the
foundation
of
that
system
is
our
Advanced
education,
the
colleges,
polytechnics
and
universities
across
the
provinces,
adjusting
for
population
and
inflation,
which
is
not
insignificance.
I
I
Besides
an
ambition's
new
ministry,
which
you
know
is
interesting
for
sure,
but
you
have
to
put
your
money
where
your
mouth
is
basically
and
what
we
do
need
to
do
now
is
to
repair
the
damage
that
has
taken
place
in
post-secondary
right
now,
recognize
that
it's
an
exponential
return
on
the
dollar
to
repair
that
damage
and
reinvest
in
post-secondary
in
a
significant
way
and
to
make
sure
that
we
keep
it
affordable
for
all
albertans
who
choose
to
go
to
school
and
to
receive
upgraded
training
and
through
the
trades
and
other
skilled
professions.
I
J
Oh,
the
final
I
would
ask
the
minister
if
you
can
just
walk
me
through
the
labor
market
development
monies,
the
the
153
million,
that
your
ministry
I'm
familiar
with
it
and
how
labor
used
to
use
their
lmda
money.
I
just
want
to
understand
in
the
skilled
trades
Ministry
where
those
funds
are
used.
And
can
you
talk
a
little
bit
about
how
you
are
working
with
health,
on
Health,
Professions
governance
and
I?
Ask
because
I
note
on
page
202,
which
describes
your
role
in
professional
governance.
J
It's
clear
that
you
oversee
the
non-health
professional
regulatory
organizations
and
imagine
there's
some
coordination
between
yourself
and
health
when
it
comes
to
the
health
organizations
and
if
you
could
speak
a
little
bit
more
towards
that.
That
would
be
helpful
and
finally,
metric
3B
I
simply
wanted
to
say
that
the
number
of
people
who
have
applied
is
an
interesting
metric.
But
the
number
of
people
who
succeeded
I
think
would
be
more
valuable.
B
Thank
you
so
much
Jim
and
and
there's
two
members
against
a
question
or
I
would
say
a
commentary
about
I.
Don't
really
see
any
question.
There.
I
saw
comment
about
the
cost
of
of
post
secondary
to
intuition
I
think
you
know
yes,
I
I
I
I
get
it
that
that
that
you
know
oftentimes
the
path
that
led
all
of
us
to
listen.
So
it's
politics,
but
I
think
also
facts
do
matter
and
and
I
think
the
facts
are.
B
Let
me
go
back
a
little
bit
whilst
obviously
I
appreciate
and
they
need
for
us
to
make
post-secondary
are
affordable
in
apartments
and
I.
Do
think
that
we
have
done
so.
The
minister
of
advanced
education
have
been
doing
a
fantastic
job
in
making
sure
that
our
personality
post-secondary
is
is
Affordable
and
available
to
our
projects.
B
When
you
take
a
look,
the
average
cost
of
tuition
among
the
post,
secondary
institutions
in
our
Province-
and
you
will
come
out
with
one
fact,
and
that
is
that
Alberto
is,
is
actually
far
more
cheaper
to
go
to
university
and
tertiary
institution
here
in
our
Province
than
in
Ontario,
in
BC
in
and
in
BC
and
comparable
provinces.
Those
are
facts
and
I.
B
I
mean
I,
understand
that
it
is
an
issue
that
is
important
to
you
and
whilst
I
understand
the
politics,
but
I
will
also
caution
that
our
buttons
needs
to
be
given
you
know
the
at
the
accuracy
of
information
is
important
to
them
and
the
fact
don't
bear
out
the
fact
that
post-secondary
tuition
are
higher
in
Alberta
compared
to
comparable
provinces,
but
we
all
share
in
the
goal
of
making
sure
that
prosecondary
education
is
within
the
reach
of
any
approaching,
who
wants
to
attend
the
post
secondary
institution?
That
is
the
focus
and
Mandate
of
this
government.
B
B
You
know
to
make
sure
that
students
have
a
building
space
in
in
being
able
to
to
pay
back
some
of
their
loans,
and
things
like
that
now
to
and
listen
I
mean
again
to
your
question
on
on
the
need
to
to
pay
students
when
they
are
in
in
the
threats
program.
B
As
you
know,
in
our
project,
the
majority
of
80
percent
of
learning
are
course
on
the
job
on
the
job
side,
under
the
supervision
of
a
journey
person
that
act
as
a
mentor
to
The
Apprentice,
that
80
percent
of
of
learning,
of
course,
on
the
job.
It
is
a
paid
apprenticeship
program
they
are
paid
and
the
part
that
is
not
paid
is
a
20
percent
learning
that
a
cause
in
a
post-secondary
institutions
so
again,
I
think
it's
safe
to
say
that
they
are
paid.
It
is
not
true
that
they
are
not.
They
are
not
paid.
B
A
member
agreed
asked
me
to
to
walk
her
through
the
the
level
Market
transfer
agreement.
In
terms
of
how
those
costs
are
are
broken
down,
the
labor
market
transfer
agreement
are
bilateral
agreements
between
individual
provinces
and
the
federal
government.
B
They
are
allocated
as
follows:
a
foundational
Learning
Community,
adult
learning
programs,
our
apprenticeship
program
and
our
apprenticeship
programs,
but
I
remember
again.
Currently
there
are
two
agreements:
labor
market
transfer
agreement,
Workforce
Development
agreement
as
far
as
I
know.
At
this
point
in
time,
the
labor
market
development
agreement
assists
individuals
who
are
actively
receiving
Employment
Insurance.
Those
who
have
had
an
AI
claim
in
the
last
five
years
or
are
currently
unemployed
and
individuals
who
have
paid
at
least
is
the
minimum
employee
portion
of
EI
premiums.
A
C
You
Mr
chair
that
we're
down
to
the
wire
here
for
time,
so
I'll
be
quick,
I'm,
just
looking
and
focusing
on
outcome
three.
It
says
that
on
page
123,
Alberta
has
a
competitive
advantage
that
attracts
skilled
workers
to
meet
labor
market
demands
and
drive.
Economic
growth
and
I
just
wanted
to
highlight
that
this
United
conservative
government
has
been
already
doing
that
so
I
wanted
to
through
the
chair.
Congratulate
the
minister
on
the
work.
That's
already
been
done
to
achieve
those
goals.
C
Looking
at
our
numbers,
we're
leading
the
country
in
economic
growth,
we're
leading
the
country
and
net
migration
into
the
province,
we're
leading
the
country
and
entrepreneurial
upstarts.
It's
an
exciting
time
to
be
in
Alberta
and
so
I
just
wanted
to
highlight,
but
I
actually
wanted
to
reference
something
that
MLA
gray
mentioned.
C
And
that's
that's
a
helpful
metric
to
see
how
it's
trending,
I
I,
would
actually
agree
with
with
member
gray
that
it
would
be
more
helpful,
I
think
on
a
go
forward
to
understand
how
many
of
those
applicants
actually
were
successful
so
that
we
know
if
we're
really
moving
the
needle
in
terms
of
particularly
those
professions
that
have
multiple
layers
of
regulatory,
red
tape
and
Regulatory
bodies
to
work
through
to
see
if
what
we're
doing
is
actually
moving
the
needle
for
those
people.
But
with
that
Mr
chair.
H
Thank
you
very
much.
I
really
appreciate
being
able
to
talk
about
trades.
I
have
two
sons
who
are
currently
apprenticing
in
the
trades,
even
though
I
have
a
lot
of
formal
education.
I
know.
In
my
experience,
working
as
a
tax
lawyer,
many
people
with
great
trade
skills
who
are
entrepreneurial
and
creative
ended
up
being
my
boss,
who
were
very
successful
business
owners,
creating
a
lot
of
jobs
for
individuals
in
central
Alberta.
Just
before
I
ask
a
question
because
I
know
we
are
short
on
time.
H
I
do
want
to
comment
on
some
of
the
comments.
The
members
opposite
make
about
affordability,
to
me,
the
best
way
to
have
affordability
and
to
benefit
our
post-secondary.
Students
is
for
them
to
have
a
job
at
the
end
of
their
education,
and
you
know
when
you
look
at
affordability.
It's
not
just
a
question
of
cost.
It's
also
about
the
income
that
you
earn
when
you
graduate
I
expect
that
most
young
men
and
young
women
who
are
looking
at
the
trades
look
at
how
much
are
they
going
to
make
when
they
graduate?
H
Because
of
course,
the
investment
in
obtaining
an
education
in
the
trades
is
a
temporary
two
or
three
year
cost,
whereas
once
you
graduate
that
income
that
you
earn
from
those
skills
that
you
have
as
a
tradesperson
will
be
for
the
rest
of
your
life.
So
to
me
the
more
important
component
of
affordability
is
actually
the
income
that
you
earn
when
you
graduate,
and
what
I
can
say
is
that
Minister
I
see
individuals
coming
to
Alberta.
We
are
seeing
record
numbers
of
migration.
H
We
are
seeing
individuals
come
from
not
only
across
Canada
but
throughout
the
world,
and
it's
a
wonderful
thing.
I
know:
Minister
Madu.
You
are
a
testament
of
the
great
opportunities
that
Alberta
has
for
individuals
who
come
here
and
work
and
want
to
serve
raise
their
families.
This
is
a
land
of
freedom
and
prosperity.
H
I
just
want
to
make
just
I
guess:
ask
a
question:
I
I
know
that
there's
a
2019
report
on
construction
traits
and
it
notes
that
only
eight
percent
of
workers
were
positively
influenced
by
guidance,
counselor
and
I.
Guess
Minister
may
do
What
I.
H
What
I
want
to
ask,
is
you
know
as
a
guidance
counselor
we
we
often
advise
on
what
we
know
and
there
seems
to
be
a
scarcity
of
guidance
counselors
who
understand
and
have
first-hand
lift
experience
in
the
trades,
so
that
they're
able
to
advise
on
the
opportunities
and
the
great
career
that
we
have
and
I'm
just
wondering
in
terms
of
promoting
the
opportunities
of
trades
in
our
schools,
so
that
our
young
men
and
young
women
appreciate
the
great
opportunity
in
the
trades,
because
you
know
often
there's
a
lack
of
awareness.
H
Maybe
I'm
just
wondering
what
initiatives
the
ministry
is
making
to
increase
the
prestige,
increase,
the
awareness
of
opportunities
and
trades
in
our
schools
for
our
young
men
and
young.
B
B
My
second
daughter
is
in
grade
nine,
and
you
know
they
have
a
selective
courses
that
that
they
take
and
one
one,
even
if
she
come
home,
as
it
says
to
me,
I
selected,
woodwork,
carpentry,
Woodwork
and
I
was
excited,
and
that
was
long
before
I
became
the
minister
of
this
particular
profession
and,
and
you
know,
I
was
excited
because
I've
always
you
know,
thought
that
the
the
the
the
the
people
that
build
our
society,
our
people
who
are
able
to
walk
with
their
hands
and
where
do
you
find
them
in
the
trade
skills?
B
These
are
complicated.
The
construction
work
and
you
know
that
requires
you,
know
multitasking
skills
and
things
like
that.
We
would
not
be
able
to
maintain
the
the
highest
standard
of
living
that
we
have
without
making
sure
that
we
have
our
young
people
fully
engaged
to
participate
in
the
skill
in
the
skill
trade,
and
that
is
why
the
premier
Smith
made
this
ministry
a
priority
to
focus
on
the
needy
to
tackle
the
the
notion
of
parts
of
esteem
that
oftentimes
makes
it
impossible
for
our
young
people
to
go
into
the
skill
trade.
B
We
are
investing
a
lot
in
in
making
sure
that
we
are
working
with
Partners
industry
stakeholders,
a
post-secondary
institutions
and
the
Department
of
Education.
You
know,
I
I
have
been
I've,
been
asking
my
department
to
look
at
the
German
model.
You
know
in
Germany,
apprenticeship,
educational
skill,
training
is
part
of
the
elementary
school
system.
Ireland
have
adopted
a
similar
I
understand.
Australia
is
also
looking
at
that
are
the
same
thing.
B
If
we
are
going
to
get
to
the
point
where
we
completely
eliminate
the
the
the
the
the
price
of
a
stimulator
exists
between
academic
programs
and
apprenticeship
programs,
we
have
to
get
our
young
people
right
whilst
they
are
in
elementary
schools,
and
that
is
why
I
was
so
excited
at
the
Department
of
Education
Minister
LaGrange
has
been
working
on
the
careers
task
force
that
will
make
recommendation
on
how
our
ministry,
my
Ministry,
Advanced
education,
can
work
together
to
make
sure
that
that
this
is.
This
is
going
to
be
a
part
of
our
educational
system.
B
The
reason
why
we
have
been
expanding
States,
a
historic
funding
as
I
indicated,
began
with
budget
2022
with
Alberta
walk
program
to
make
sure
that
we
are.
We
are
working
with
industry
stakeholders
with
employers
to
provide
them
the
resources
they
needed
to
attract
our
young
people
in
in
the
skill
trade.
Women
building
features
is
a
classical
example.
They
are
doing
an
amazing
work.
There
I
want
to
make
sure
that
that
that
that
our
young
women
finds
comfort
in
organizations
like
women
building
features
the
the
organization
that
deals
with
young
women
within
the
First
Nations
communities.
B
We
we
have
to
work
with
them.
You
know
in
this
budget
2023
there
is
a
component
of
of
skilled
trading
training
program
for
ethnocultural
Community,
because
we
want
them.
We
don't
want
them
to
come
here
and
pursue
just
degrees.
We
want
them
to
make
that
particular
transition
to
working
the
skill
trade,
because
that
is
really
what
our
economy
is
at
this
point
in
time
and
I'm
excited
and
I
look
for
to
the
work
that
lies
ahead.
A
Good,
thank
you
Minister,
and
you
must
advise
the
committee
that
the
time
allotted
for
consideration
of
the
ministry's
estimates
has
concluded.
I
would
like
to
remind
committee
members
that
we
are
scheduled
to
meet
tomorrow,
March
14
2023
at
9
00
a.m,
to
consider
the
estimates
of
the
ministry
of
jobs,
economy
and
Northern
development.
Thank
you.
Everyone.
This
meeting
is
adjourned.