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Good
morning,
I'd
like
to
call
the
meeting
to
order
and
welcome
everyone
in
attendance.
The
committee
has
under
consideration
the
estimates
of
the
Ministry
of
Transportation
and
economic
corridors
for
the
fiscal
year.
Ending
March,
31st,
2024
I'd.
Ask
that
we
go
around
the
table
and
have
members
introduce
themselves
for
the
record
Minister
when
we
get
to
you,
please
introduce
the
officials
who
are
joining
you
at
the
table.
My
name
is
David
Hanson
I'm,
the
MLA
for
Bonneville
Cold,
Lake,
St
Paul,
and
the
chair
of
this
committee
and
we'll
begin
starting
to
my
right.
E
C
G
Good
morning,
I'm
Devin
driesian,
minister
of
Transportation
economic
corridors,
as
well
as
the
MLA
foreign
Lake
and
beside
me,
is
Bryce
Stewart,
my
Deputy
Minister
Dale
Fung,
the
assistant
Deputy
Minister
of
Finance
to
my
left,
Tom
Liu,
the
assistant
Deputy
minister
of
construction
and
maintenance,
Division
and
the
granjit
third
millennium.
The
assistant
Deputy
minister
of
capital,
planning
grants
and
Engineering
Services
Division
and
all
around
good.
I
Good
morning,
everyone
also
Happy
International
women's
day,
I'm
Chris
Nielsen
MLA
for
Edmonton
decor,
good.
B
Morning,
Warren
Huffman
committee
Clerk.
Thank
you,
I'd,
like
to
now
we'll
go
to
the
members
participating
remotely
when
I
call
your
name.
Please
introduce
yourself
for
the
record.
I
see
a
member
right
here.
B
Also
like
to
know
the
following
substitution
for
the
record:
Mr
Rod
Leola
for
honorable
Richard,
fian
and
Mr
Leola
will
be
sitting
as
Deputy
chair
a
few
housekeeping
items
to
address
before
we
turn
to
the
business
at
hand.
Please
note
that
the
microphones
are
operated
by
Hansard
staff
committee.
Proceedings
are
live
streamed
on
the
internet
and
broadcast
on
the
Alberta
assembly.
Tv,
the
audio
and
video
stream
and
transcripts
of
meetings
can
be
accessed
via
the
Legislative
Assembly
website.
B
Members
participating
remotely
are
encouraged
to
turn
your
camera
on.
While
speaking
and
mute
your
microphone
when
not
speaking,
remote
participants
who
wish
to
be
placed
on
the
speakers
list
are
asked
to
email
or
message.
The
committee
Clerk
and
members
in
the
room
should
signal
to
the
chair.
Please
set
your
cell
phones
and
other
devices
to
silent
for
the
duration
of
the
meeting
honorable
members.
The
standing
order
set
out
the
process
for
consideration
of
the
main
estimates.
B
A
total
of
two
hours
has
been
scheduled
for
consideration
of
the
estimates
for
the
Ministry
of
Transportation
and
the
economic
corridors
standing
order.
59.01-6
establishes
the
speaking
rotation
and
speaking
times.
In
brief,
the
minister
or
member
of
executive
Council,
acting
on
The
Minister's
behalf,
will
have
10
minutes
to
address
the
committee
at
the
conclusion
of
The
Minister's
comments.
A
50-minute
5-0
minute
speaking
block
for
the
official
opposition
begins
followed
by
a
20-minute
speaking
block
for
the
independent
members.
B
If
any
and
then
a
20-minute
speaking
block
for
the
government
caucus
individuals
may
only
speak
for
up
to
10
minutes
at
a
time,
but
the
speaking
times
may
be
combined
between
the
member
and
the
minister
after
the
speaking
times.
We'll
follow
the
same
rotation
of
the
official
opposition,
independent
member
and
the
government
caucus
the
member
and
the
minister
May
each
speak
once
for
a
maximum
of
five
minutes,
or
these
times
may
be
combined
making
a
10-minute
block.
B
If
members
have
any
questions
regarding
speaking
times
on
the
rotation,
please
send
an
email
or
message
the
committee
clerk
about
the
process
Ministry
officials
may
be
present
and
at
the
direction
of
the
minister
May
address.
The
committee.
Ministry
officials
see
you
in
the
gallery
if
called
upon,
have
access
to
a
microphone
in
the
gallery
area
and
are
asked
to
please
introduce
themselves
for
the
record
prior
to
commenting
pages
are
available
to
deliver
notes
or
other
materials
between
the
gallery
and
the
table.
Attendees
in
the
gallery
may
not
approach
the
table.
B
Space
permitting
opposition
caucus
staff
may
sit
at
the
table
to
assist
their
members.
However,
members
have
priority
to
sit
at
the
table
at
all
times.
If
debate
is
exhausted
prior
to
two
hours,
the
ministry's
estimates
are
deemed
to
have
been
considered
for
the
time
allotted
in
the
schedule,
and
the
committee
will
adjourn.
B
Prince
of
order
will
be
dealt
with
as
they
arise
in
individual
speaking
times
will
be
paused.
However,
the
speaking
block
time
and
the
overall
two-hour
meeting
clock
will
remain
running
any
written
material
provided
in
response
to
questions
raised
during
the
main
estimate
should
be
tabled
by
the
minister
in
the
assembly
for
the
benefit
of
all
members.
The
vote
on
the
estimates
and
any
amendments
will
occur
in
Committee
of
Supply
on
March
16
2023.
B
amendments
must
be
in
writing
and
approved
by
a
parliamentary
Council.
Prior
to
the
meeting
at
which
they
will
be
moved,
the
original
amendment
is
to
be
deposited
with
the
committee
clerk
with
20
hard
copies.
An
electronic
version
of
the
signed
original
should
be
provided
to
the
committee
clerk
for
distribution
to
committee
members.
G
Because
in
budget
2023
we
are
making
strategic
Investments
to
support
employment
opportunities
for
albertans
and
to
Foster
economic
growth
across
the
province
now
and
years
to
come.
Our
Department's
three-year
Capital
plan
totals
eight
billion
dollars
of
this
2
billion
over
three
years
is
for
capital
investment
and
for
planning,
design
and
construction
of
major
provincial
highways
and
Bridge
projects.
Approximately
75
percent
of
this
funding
is
for
existing
or
planned.
G
We
are
investing
in
improvements
that
provide
vital
links
to
markets
in
and
out
of
Alberta
supporting
economic,
social
and
environmental
activity.
Most
Highway
improvements
were
identified
by
industry
Partners
to
improve
the
movement
of
goods
and
services.
Major
projects
include
60
million
dollars
over
three
years
for
the
replacement
of
the
vinca
bridge
on
Highway
38
in
the
industrial
Heartland
area.
The
new
bridge
will
be
upgraded
to
carry
heavy
and
oversized
loads,
creating
a
critical
Link
in
Alberta's,
High
load,
corridor,
saving
loaded
trucks
about
200
kilometers
and
a
round
trip
in
Northern
Alberta.
G
We
are
allocating
117
million
for
the
twinning
of
Highway
63
North
of
Fort
McMurray
twinning.
This
highway
will
improve
efficiency
and
safety
for
both
commercial
drivers
and
for
families
in
Northern.
Alberta
projects
along
other
economic
corridors
in
the
province
include
more
than
60
million
to
Highway
60
through
Atchison
a
critical
trade
route
with
significant
heavy
and
high
load
truck
traffic.
G
You
know
we
have
the
MLA
from
that
region
sitting
with
us
today,
further
south,
we
are
investing
51
million
over
three
years
towards
a
replacement
of
Highway
2
and
Highway
566
interchange
at
Balzac
to
accommodate
increasing
commuter
traffic
in
the
area
and
support
logistics
and
distribution
facilities
and
development
in
Rocky,
View
County
other
Highway
Network
projects
over
the
province.
Totaline
279
million
over
three
years
include
Highway
320
between
Tabor
and
Burdette
Highway
1120
between
Sylvan
Lake
and
Rocky,
Mountain
House
and
Highway
40
20,
south
of
Grand
Prairie.
G
We've
also
allocated
75
million
over
three
years
for
23
engineering
or
planning
projects
to
address
known
future
needs
and
to
progress
on
design
and
refine
cost
estimates
to
support
future
funding
requests.
Many
of
these
projects
are
located
along
economic
corridors,
such
as
additional
twinning
between
Highway
3,
on
between
the
British
Columbia
border
and
Medicine
Hat
in
Calgary.
We
are
investing
over
2
billion
dollars.
G
However,
listening
to
question
period,
you
may
not
think
that
the
opposition
read
that
part
of
the
budget,
but
Deerfoot
is
going
to
have
about
within
that
2
billion
Deerfoot
is
going
to
have
180
000
vehicles
per
day,
making
one
of
the
busiest
in
Alberta,
and
this
budget
includes
430
million
dollars
for
Deerfoot
improvements
over
the
next
three
years
as
well.
We
are
investing
in
the
completion
of
the
West
Calgary
Ring
Road,
which
will
be
open
in
Fall
of
2024.
budget
23
includes
134
million
over
two
years
for
this
project
alone.
G
When
the
West
segment
is
complete,
it
will
complete.
Finally,
the
Calgary
Ring
Road
providing
101
kilometers
of
free-flowing
traffic
around
the
Calgary
region,
This
Ring
Road
investment
will
support
key
sectors
in
Calgary,
including
Aerospace,
Logistics,
Financial,
energy,
agribusiness
technology
and
tourism
by
buying
process
and
reducing
travel
time
for
families
and
for
businesses
getting
Goods
to
Market.
G
Our
total
capital
investment
also
includes
380
million
over
three
years
for
water
management
and
flood
mitigation,
including
the
Spring
Bank
offstream
Reservoir
project
construction
has
been
underway
for
about
a
year
for
this
project
and
it
will
help
protect
Calgary
and
other
communities
in
Southern
Alberta.
So
we
won't
see
a
repeat
of
the
2013
Calgary
flood.
G
In
addition
to
Capital
investments
in
new
infrastructure,
We
are
continuing
our
work
to
preserve
and
extend
the
life
of
provincial
roads
and
bridges
all
across
the
province.
Our
extensive
Highway
Network
includes
more
than
31
thousand
kilometers,
of
which
28
000
kilometers
is
paved.
We
also
have
about
4
600,
Bridges
and
bridge-sized
culverts
within
our
Network
budget.
23
includes
1.7
billion
in
capital,
maintenance
and
renewal
or
CMR
funding
over
the
next
three
years
to
rehabilitate
key
highways.
Investing
in
pavement
Rehabilitation
can
extend
the
lifespan
of
Highways
by
about
20
years
with
a
significant
investment.
G
With
this
continuous
level
of
investment,
we
are
able
to
maintain
the
highway
condition
in
2324,
with
an
84
percent
of
highways
in
good
and
fair
condition
across
the
province.
This
CMR
funding
is
part
of
the
overall
budget
investment
of
nearly
8
billion
over
three
years.
Within
our
Capital
plan
for
Highway
Maintenance
budget
23
includes
400
million
in
2324,
and
this
is
a
57
million
dollar
increase
compared
to
just
last
year's
budget
and
is
the
highest
annual
maintenance
budget.
G
In
recent
memory,
approximately
one-third
of
this
budget
is
for
winter
maintenance
activities,
including
snow
and
ice
control
in
the
highway
Network.
The
Highway
Maintenance
contractors
have
set
time
limits
for
when
work
must
start
and
when
the
roads
must
be
returned
to
good
winter
driving
conditions.
G
The
Department's
annual
Target
for
asphalt
treatment
on
paved
roads
is
85
000
tons
to
ensure
safe
and
efficient
travel
across
the
province.
In
addition
to
maintaining
and
improving
our
Highway
Network,
the
Department's
mandate
includes
supporting
municipalities
in
improving
critical
local
infrastructure.
G
The
plan
includes
a
3.9
billion
to
help
municipalities
build
such
much-needed
local
roads,
Bridges
Water
and
Wastewater
and
Transit
infrastructure
and
I'm
happy
to
share
that.
We
are
maintaining
our
funding
commitment
to
the
Strategic
Transportation
infrastructure
program,
also
known
as
stip
budget
23
invests
93
million
in
stip
over
three
years,
with
25
million
in
new
funding
in
2526,
we've
allocated
25
million
in
ongoing
annual
funding
for
stip,
which
will
help
rural
municipalities
deliver
on
Local
transportation
infrastructure
priorities.
G
We
know.
Funding
through
this
program
is
critical
to
support
municipalities
and
Skip
funding
allows
smaller
and
Rural
municipalities
under
forty
five
thousand
to
maintain
and
improve
local
roads,
Bridges
and
other
infrastructure,
and
to
plan
for
the
future.
Knowing
that
this
program
will
continue,
the
department
is
also
responsible
for
a
number
of
other
grants,
all
of
which
will
continue
to
be
funded
through
the
capital
plan
for
the
Alberta
Municipal
Water
and
Wastewater
program.
Budget
23
allocates
211
million,
and
this
is
120
million
in
new
funding.
G
This
in
this
budget
to
fund
priority
projects
on
applications
submitted
by
rural
municipalities
as
well,
we've
dedicated
169
million
for
the
water
for
Life
program
and
nearly
28
million
for
the
First
Nations
water
tie-in
program.
We
are
also
continuing
our
commitment
to
support
Light
Rail
Transit
projects
in
Edmonton
and
in
Calgary
our
total
provincial
commitment
is
3
billion
over
multiple
years
of
which
5.3
billion
is
slated
for
Calgary
and
1.4
billion
is
slated
for
Edmonton,
which
the
The
Province
investment
in
the
LRT.
G
Budget
23
also
provides
5
million
in
a
new
Grant
for
the
City
of
Calgary
to
proceed
with
needed
engineering
work
to
extend
the
LRT
Blue
Line
North,
to
enable
connection
with
the
Calgary
International
Airport,
and
this
grants
funding
will
also
be
used
to
determine
the
optimal
connection
to
move
passengers
from
the
airport
to
downtown
Calgary,
including
a
people
mover
LRT
and
heavy
rail
line.
Engineering
work
and
construction
study
is
complete.
G
Further
funds
to
this
LRT
project
are
anticipated
in
partnership
with
the
City
of
Calgary
and
the
federal
government,
as
well
as
the
province
in
the
Edmonton
area.
We
are
continuing
to
provide
256
million
in
capital
grants
over
three
years,
such
as
the
50th
Street
grade
separation
over
the
CP
tracts,
Yellowhead
Trail
improvements,
the
twiliger
drive
expansion
and
the
Ray
Gibson
Drive
project.
G
Now
our
commercial
Trucking
industry
is
critical
for
our
economy
to
keep
growing
and
that's
why
we
are
funding
to
help
reduce
a
labor
shortage
in
this
critical
industry
and
budget
23
includes
10
million
in
commercial
driver
grants,
and
these
grants
will
help
remove
the
financial
barriers
of
earning
a
commercial
driver's
license
together.
All
of
our
investments
in
budget
23
will
allow
us
to
maintain
a
safe
and
efficient
Transportation
Network
to
support
our
economy
and
our
high
quality
of
life
now
and
years
to
come,
and
thank
you
for
that
and
happy
to
take
any
questions.
Thank.
B
You
Minister
for
the
next
50
minutes,
members
of
the
official
opposition
and
the
minister
may
speak
honorable
members.
You
will
be
able
to
see
the
timer
for
the
speaking
block,
both
in
the
committee
room
and
on
Microsoft
teams.
Members.
Would
you
like
to
combine
your
time
with
the
minister
if
the
minister
is
open
to
that?
Whatever
works.
H
For
them,
understanding
we're
going
back
and
forth
sounds
good
to
me,
good
sounds
good.
Thank
you,
Mr
chair,
thank
you
Minister
and
staff
for
attending
and
for
all
your
work
and
preparation
and
before
this
meeting
and
I
look
forward
to
a
productful,
productive
interchange
and
securing
information
for
the
benefit
of
albertans
about
our
important
transportation
and
economic
corridors
Ministry
and
the
work
that
they're
doing
I
wanted
to
start
by
asking
about
the
comments
and
promises
made
during
the
premier's
leadership
run
on
economic
corridors.
H
Of
course,
economic
corridors
have
been
added
to
the
transportation
Ministry,
emphasizing
the
importance
to
this
government
and
I'll
quote
by
saying
that
the
premier
of
the
the
the
leadership
candidate
then
at
the
time,
said
we'll
start
by
partnering,
with
First
Nations,
Saskatchewan
and
Manitoba
to
establish
a
10
kilometer
wide
rail,
an
economic
Corridor
to
Churchill
Manitoba.
Now
it
just
noted
that
a
foreseeable
action
items
for
this
project
we're
quoting
once
again
resolving
environmental
and
First
Nations
concerns
up
front
and
building
infrastructure
such
as
Rail
lines,
roads,
fiber,
optic,
transmission
lines,
water
and
pipelines.
G
Great
great
question,
and
actually
my
my
the
Parliamentary
secretary
for
economic
corridors,
is
also
in
the
room
and
I
wish.
I
could
share
my
time
with
him
on
this,
but
no
I
I
think
the
the
premier's
comments
are
were
important,
then,
and
are
critically
important.
Now,
and
when
you
look
at
the
the
Department
of
Transportation
economic
corridors,
we
are
looking
at
leading
the
country
we
are
looking
at
building
nation-building
projects.
I
mean
our
Canada
was
built
with
a
logistics
problem.
You
had
Eastern
Canada
Atlantic
Canada
having
to
get
their
products
into
central
Canada.
You.
H
Prime
minister
I
just
wanted
to
know,
if,
indeed
it
is
a
priority
of
this
government
to
actually
proceed
on
an
economic
Corridor
to
Churchill
Manitoba.
As
the
then
leadership
candidate
suggested
was
a
priority
and
if
there's
anything
in
the
budget
that
you
can
point
to
showing
funding
for
the
project,
yeah.
G
G
We,
if
you
look
at
a
compass,
every
direction
is
where
we're
looking
for
for
economic
corridors
and
I
know
yes,
so
I.
If
I
could
I
would
say
that
previous
work
has
been
done
on
economic
Corridor
task
force,
a
report
that
we're
going
to
be
releasing
soon
and
we
look
at
obviously
South,
which
is
our
you
know.
Panama
or
Canada
Mexico
trade
route
with
the
through
the
U.S
is
a
major
artery.
H
Two
other
corridors
were
mentioned
by
the
then
leadership
candidate
promised
to
come
to
fruition,
a
corridor
to
Thunder
Bay
I'm,
quoting
a
corridor
to
Thunder
Bay,
another
Corridor
to
talk
to
yuktuk
and
another
Corridor
to
the
port
of
Prince
Rupert.
Now,
since
you're,
the
minister
of
Transportation
economic
corridors,
where
in
the
budget
is
the
funding
for
these
projects,
what
is
the
current
state
of
these
projects?
That's
going
to
talk
to
yaktak
Prince
Rupert
Thunder
Bay
economic
corridors.
H
G
I
wish
we
would
have
brought
a
map
because
it
probably
would
have
helped
everybody
to
show
all
the
different
directions
of
where
we're
looking
at
for
economic
corridors
within
Alberta
and
and
outside,
but
I.
Sorry,
if
I
I
missed
construed
your
earlier
in
this
comment.
When
we
talk
about
economic
corridors,
these
aren't
government-built
economic
corridors,
we're
not
having
bureaucrats
building
projects,
we
don't
need
ftes
to
actually
build
these.
We
just
want
to
have
government
Lane,
the
the
foundation
Lane,
the
playing
field,
so
that
businesses
can
invest
and
whether
that's
take
some
budget
totally
Minister.
H
G
Sure
so
again,
if,
if
you
look
within
the
department
that
is,
and
the
group
that
has
been
working
on
this
specifically,
there
are
six
ftes
within
the
department
that
are
specifically
tied
to
economic
corridors.
But,
as
I
mentioned
before
your
question
on
these
projects,
where
are
they
getting
these
Government
funding?
We
want
private
sector
funding
and
we
want
to
be
able
to
build
that
that
Level
Playing
Field,
so
that
we
do,
we
do
attract
private
sector
investment,
as
Global
Capital
around
the
world
is
competing
for
places
to
go.
We
want
to
be
competitive,
okay,.
H
Because
your
ministry
is
actually
called
part
of
the
economic
corridors,
one
is
expecting
to
be
some
leadership
and
organize
educational
leadership
from
your
ministry,
in
the
coordination
of
making
sure
these
economic
corridors
that
the
then
leadership
candidate
suggested
were
priorities
or
would
be
her
priorities
if
she
were
to
become
the
premier,
and
so
certainly
we
would
see
that
the
private
sector
will
be
the
ones
rolling
out
doing
the
construction
and
so
forth,
but
the
leadership
that
one
would
expect
coming
from
your
ministry
would
have
some
budget
attached
to
it
to
assist
in
the
direction
of
these
economic
corridors
and
and
coordinate.
G
The
transportation
ministers
from
all
across
the
country
gathered
in
Ottawa
with
a
federal
transportation
minister
at
their
Federal,
provincial
territorial
meeting
and
Alberta,
did
take
a
leadership
role
to
say
that
we
should
be
a
country
that
can
build
nation-building
projects
and
and
I
raised
it
and
actually
kind
of
started
a
hockey
in
going
into.
G
G
New
Brunswick
said
well
we're
over
four
and
everybody
started
going
around
the
room,
the
room
to
say
where
they
weren't
getting
some
federal
leadership
and
some
federal
funding
on
important
trade
corridors.
So
that
is
something
that
Alberta
is
taking.
The
leadership
is
taking
a
leadership
role
on
working
with
other
provinces,
sharing
ideas
of
how
we
can
again
take
out
that
political
uncertainty,
so
that
businesses
know
private
Capital
know
that
they
can
invest
within
Canada
and
it's
not
going
to
get
killed
by
Decades
of
delay
of.
H
H
There's
one
other
form
of
economic
Corridor
that
isn't
getting
a
lot
of
attention
in
this
province
and
and
it's
not
an
arterial
economic
Corridor,
think
of
it
as
more
of
a
capillary
and
I'm
speaking
of
Minister
about
world
bus
transportation
in
Alberta
and
I'm,
not
talking
about
charter
buses,
I'm
talking
about
regularly
scheduled
bus
service
in
Alberta,
something
that's
super
important
to
rural
Alberta
and
as
an
economic
Drive
and
maintaining
the
health,
economic,
health
and
well-being
of
many
of
our
smaller
communities.
H
You
will
know
Minister
that
in
2018
Greyhound
quit
operating
in
western
Canada
that's
five
years
ago,
and
as
a
result
of
that
107
107
Alberta
communities
lost
their
bus
service
that
was
formally
provided
by
Greyhound.
That's
a
huge
hit
to
a
small
community,
and
these
bus
services
were
a
Lifeline.
Now
we
can
debate
about
what
happened
with
respect
to
Greyhound
and
whether
their
business
model
was
still
applicable
or
not.
They
obviously
decided
it
wasn't.
H
H
So
if,
if
one
looks
to
the
511
for
Alberta
provincial
bus
service
map,
which
is
part
and
parcel
of
documentation
that
your
ministry
is
responsible
for,
you'll
find
it
as
quite
outdated,
which
I
believe
is
reflective
of
the
lack
of
attention
that
to
your
government
and
your
ministry
has
paid
two
rural
bus
service
in
the
province.
Now
it
may
not
be
as
exciting
an
issue
as
a
massive
economic
corridors,
but
to
the
107
communities
in
rural
Alberta
that
no
longer
have
a
bus
serve
in
their
Community.
H
It
was
a
big
loss
and
I
held
a
a
Zoom
consultation
on
February
22nd
on
world
bus
transportation
and
invited
people
from
RMA
municipalities
across
the
province.
So
all
the
currently
operating
bus
line
operators,
including
the
major
one
red
air,
when
he
bus,
invited
Realtors
from
small
towns
in
Alberta,
it
was
pretty
widely
representative
and
what
it
showed,
of
course,
is
that
this
map
is
that
I'll
table
later
is
it
is
showing
a
2018.
H
That's
just
one
simple
example,
but
I
mean
to
get
to
and
from
a
medical
appointment
from
a
smaller
Community,
particularly
elderly
people,
not
wanting
to
rely
on
their
families
that
would
have
taken
the
bus.
Now
they
can't
as
a
result,
they're
looking,
maybe
to
move
into
a
larger
Center
and
abandon
their
homes
in
smaller
centers
and
depopulate
Rural
Alberta.
H
It's
it's
something
that
really
doesn't
seem
to
be
on.
The
radar
of
the
government
and
I
haven't
seen
anything
in
the
budget
with
respect
to
rural
bus
transportation.
Specifically
now
could
you
please
address
this
issue
and
just
see
let
albertans
know
if
there
is
anything
in
the
budget
for
Rural
bus
transportation,
there
was
a
a
federal
government's,
a
startup
program,
restart
grant
that
was
given.
It
was
140
million
dollars
and
things
matching
with
the
province.
It
was
2020
and
nothing
it
went
to.
H
We
went
to
a
public
transit
into
major
centers,
but
nothing
got
dedicated
to
the
small
bus
operators,
many
of
whom
are
are
really
struggling,
especially
now
with
inflation
and
the
cost
of
fuel
and
and
the
cost
of
drivers
and
everything
going
up.
We
may
lose
some
of
the
four
who
are
still
operating
in
the
province
and,
if
that
happens,
I
try
to
recreate
those
bus
companies
that
are
struggling
to
serve
the
public.
H
It
is
going
to
be
very
difficult,
so
I'm
really
concerned
that
we
don't
have
any
policy
or
any
any
dedication
of
resources
to
robust
operation
in
Alberta
from
your
ministry
and
I'd
like
to
see
evidence
of
the
leadership
role
that
you
plan
to
play
to
to
help
out
rural
Albert,
in
particular
in
small
communities
to
survive.
G
I
I
commend
you
for
for
your
work
that
you
did
on
February
22nd
and
having
that
zoom
and
reaching
out
to
Industry.
That's
great
and
I'd
love
to
hear
more
about
it
and
and
I
do
feel
like
I'm
at
a
disadvantage,
because
I
did
not
bring
a
map.
So
if
you're
tabling
Maps,
that's
that
hurts
but
but
no
you're
right.
G
The
outright
Outreach
talking
to
to
real
municipalities
is
is
vitally
important.
But
we
as
a
government
believe
that
the
private
sector
is
in
the
best
position
to
address
the
demand
for
for
Intercity
bus
services,
and-
and
you
mentioned
some
but
there's
you
know-
Pacific
Western
Transportation,
a
red
arrow
and
its
sister
company
is
ebus,
as
you
mentioned,
serve
Alberta's
core
Roots.
G
So
that
is
something
that
that
we're
keenly
aware
of
and
to
your
point
of
the
federal
rural
Transit
solution
fund,
we
did
have
an
issue
as
a
government
with
that,
because
the
federal
program
did
restrict
the
eligibility
to
Capital,
Investments
and
planning
studies
and
an
excluded
private
Intercity
busing
industry
from
from
being
able
to
participate.
So
we
have
actually
asked
for
some
changes
to
that
program
to
to
help
what
we
think
address
the
problem
and
another
issue
that
that
we've
seen
and
we're
looking
at
is
is
the
licensing
of
class
two.
H
Like
sure
there
was
some
federal
money
and
you're
you're
asking
the
federal
government
to
come
up
with
some,
but
this
begs
the
federal,
the
provincial
government
to
to
look
at
these
small
economic
corridors
in
rural
Alberta
and
and
meet
with
the
all
of
us
operators
and
find
out
what
model
will
work,
what
they
need
to
sustain
themselves
so
that
they
can
reach
profitability
and
what
what
thing
has
to
be
done?
It
could
be
a
Cooperative
model.
H
It
could
be
smaller,
Rolling
Stock,
there's
lots
of
different
ideas
out
there
that
are
used
in
other
jurisdictions,
but
right
now,
I,
don't
know
if
you
know
how
many
of
the
107
communities
in
Alberta
that
lost
bus
service
that
actually
have
it
back,
but
I
can
venture
to
say
that
most
of
them
don't
so
it
the
private
sector
on
its
own.
This
minister
is
not
doing
its
the
job
and
in
many
other
sectors,
whether
it
be
oil
and
gas
or
agriculture.
H
Or
what
have
you
there's
lots
of
examples
where
governments
come
in
and
said:
here's
some
seed
money.
Let's,
let's
sustain
you
until
you've
when
things
think
settle
out
and
we
figure
out
a
better
model.
So
is
there
not
a
role,
in
your
view,
Minister
for
the
provincial
government
to
create
some
type
of
a
fund
that
will
assist
the
World
boss
operators
to
get
going
and
stay
on
their
feet?
H
We
asked
them
for
money
that
they
didn't
give
it
to
us.
What
about
the
provincial
government?
I,
don't
see
anything
in
a
budget
to
address
this
issue
which
rural
burdens
are
are
concerned
about
they've
thrown
their
hands
up,
not
expecting
any
help
from
The,
Province
and
I.
Don't
think
they
should
should
do
that.
They
should
be
able
to
expect
their
Province
to
come
forward
and
and
look
after
the
interest
of
their
small
communities.
G
You
know,
and
and
as
I
was
saying
what,
when
we,
when
we've
talked
to
these
bus
providers
they
and
profitability,
as
you
mentioned,
is,
is
obviously
a
big
issue
that
they've
that
they've
raised
with
us
and
Driver
shortage
is
being
can't,
get
an
driver's
classroom
drivers
to
come
out
and
work,
and
and
if
they
do,
they,
there's
really
retirement.
So
they
may
have
a
class
2
license,
but
they
they
retire
early.
G
So
that
is
something
that
we
are
looking
at
as
a
department
of
what
can
we
do
to
try
to
incentivize
people
that
have
just
recently
retired
to
get
back
into
busing
or
new
people
to
to
get
involved
in
the
busing
industry
and
to
try
and
to
get
that
class
too,
and
to
make
sure
that
we
have
enough
bus
drivers
to
meet
the
demand
that
that
may
be
there
across
adventure
to.
G
A
G
And
I
know
you
will
quote
me,
but
I
think
there's
about
500
or
so
class,
two,
the
shortage,
that's
what
we've
heard
from
industry
estimates
so
there's
over
500
drivers
short
across
the
province,
and
so
that
is
something
that
seems
like
it's
a.
G
Yeah
well
I'll
yeah,
clarify
that
sooner
but
I
think
there's
about
500
class,
two
bus
drivers
or
short
cross
Province
so
trying
to
meet
up
with
that
demand.
So
we
can
have
more
buses,
so
we
can
offer
more
services.
I
think
I,
think
just
having
the
a
licensed
bus
driver
in
the
seat
is
is
kind
of
the
first
step
to
be
able
to
expand
bus
services.
Okay,.
H
So,
let's,
let's,
let's,
hopefully
see
some
some
real
investment
from
your
ministry
in
your
futures,
certainly
not
in
this
budget,
but
in
the
future.
I
know
that
we
certainly
will
pay
pay
any
attention
to
it.
We
have
our
ears
to
the
ground
in
rural
Alberta
and
we're
looking
to
make
sure
we
invest
in
in
these
economic
corridors
that
are
vital
to
small
towns.
Alberta
Where,
I
Come
use
the
Greyhound
bus
used
to
come
to
my
little
Villages
Thornhill
didn't
blow
the
horn
and
it
was.
H
It
was
a
part
and
parcel
of
daily
life
and-
and
it's
missing
now
for
many
many
communities.
So
anyways,
let's
move
on,
you
were
talking
about
the
registration
system
and
modernizing
motor
vehicle
registry
system
in
your
in
your
budget
documents,
I'm
just
wondering
if
you
could
talk
about
the
costs
involved.
Well,
some
of
the
timelines.
When
we
will
expect
this
to
be
completed,
is
it
in
the
planning
stages
right
now?
Where
are
we
at
and
with
respect
to
rural
Alberta
World?
G
A
great
great
question,
so
within
the
department
it's
it's
called
moves
or
the
motor
vehicle
system
that
we
have
and
we
it
is
a
very
large
I.T
system.
It
was
originally
built
in
in
the
80s
and
it
needs
needs
replacement,
and
so
this
this
whole
move
system.
It
holds
all
the
driver's
license
and
motor
vehicle
information
for
for
all
albertans
and
it's
used
by
by
this
department
a
service,
Alberta
and
red
tape
production,
as
well
as
the
registry
agents
across
the
province.
G
So
it
is
an
old
system,
and
so
we
are
looking
at
how
we
can
try
to
to
modernize
it
it,
and
it's
really
just
came
at
a
on,
not
a
coder
I
know
you
have
some
of
your
caucus
that
were
very
into,
but
it's
something
that
it's
actually
maxed
out
as
a
as
a
program
and
or
nearing
Max
node
as
a
program.
So
we
want
to
make
sure
that
we
replace
it
with
something
that
actually
can
handle
the
growth
of
albertans.
G
Four
and
a
half
million
of
us
I
think
it's
over
three
million
drivers
in
the
province,
so
it
is
nearing
its
capacity.
So
we
are
looking
at
replacing
that
system
so
that
we
don't
I'm,
not
saying
we're.
Gonna
have
a
crash,
but
we
are
close
to
to
getting
there.
So
that's
why
we
want
to
make
sure
that
we
can
proactively
plan
to
make
sure
that
we
have
a
database
system
that
that
can
work
for
for
the
entire.
H
G
It's
it's
not
in
in
our
budget,
but
it
is
in
a
different
Ministries
budget,
so
I
just
if
we
can
I
believe
I
think
it's
60.
30
or
60
million,
but
it's
in
another
department.
So
what's
30
million
you
know
well,
there's
two
service.
There's
two
registry
upgrades
and
one
was
60
and
one
was
three
but
I'm
just
going
on
top
of
my
head.
But
it's
not
within
this.
These
estimates
30.
H
H
Questions
being
a
little
facetious
Minister,
but,
however,
let's
move
to
specifics
all
right
talking
about
Edmonton
specific
projects,
Twitter
Drive,
you
mentioned
in
your
Preamble,
it's
being
upgraded
to
meet
current
and
future
needs,
so
construction
started
in
2021
take
about
five
years
to
complete,
but
the
estimates
line
5.3
on
page
227
shows
that
there
was
no
work
done
on
this
project
at
all.
Now.
Can
you
share
why
this
project
has
been
delayed?
Then,
what's
what's
the
problem
with
them?
What's
what's
the
hassle
so.
G
Stage,
one
of
the
construction
between
Rabbit,
Hill,
Road
and
white
mud
started
in
Spring,
2021
and
stage
two,
so
that's
the
upgrade
to
White
mud
drive
and
twiliger
drive
and
The
Interchange.
That's
the
part
of
the
terilliger
drive
expansion
program.
So,
overall,
this
project
was
120
million
in
the
city
of
Edmonton.
For
for
this
Expansion
Project
and
the
city
actually
has
indicated
that
it
may
require
additional
funding,
but
we
are
working
with
them
to
see
of
the
design
of
the
next
phase.
What
exactly
does
it
look
like?
G
Do
they
need
kind
of
the
bigger,
broader
aspect
of
bike
bridge
going
across
the
Anthony
Henday?
What
does
it
actually
look
like
because
we
are
seeing
with
this
project
and
other
Transportation
projects
across
the
province,
a
lot
of
escalation
or
inflation
when
it
comes
to
projects
through
no
fault
of
of
anyone's,
but
just
with
high
inflation
that
we're
seeing
at
the
grocery
stores
of
six
seven
percent
or
more
on
certain
products?
We're
seeing
that
in
the
transportation
industry
as
well?
So.
H
We
we're
on
that.
Are
you
in
open
as
a
ministry
as
a
government?
Are
you
able
to
respond
to
those
inflation
pressures
and
with
respect
to
this
twiliger
project,
you
say
that
you're
you're,
the
the
the
city
has
indicated
they
might
need
more
injections
of
capital
to
complete
the
project.
Are
you
open
to
those
additional
funding
requests
and
how
is
the
ministry
being
cooperating
and
collaborating
with
the
city
of
Edmonton
and
advancing
the
project?
It
sounds
like
there
is
a
level
of
cooperation
that
is
mutual
mutually
respectful.
Is
that
appropriate?
G
And
yes,
and
we
we
haven't,
got
an
official
estimate
from
them
yet
on
what
that
redesign
would
look
like
that
was
that
60
million
was
kind
of
just
a
thought
that
they
had.
So
we
are
willing
to
sit
down
with
them
to
try
to
drill
in
deeper
to
figure
out
what
exactly
the
new
design
could
look
like,
or
what
exactly
would
the
the
cost
overrun
be?
G
Perhaps
on
this
phase,
two
of
Terwilliger
but
100
committed
to
making
sure
this
project
succeeds,
the
the
South,
the
Southwest
part
of
Edmonton,
where
the
huge
population
growth
it's
it's
important
to
this
government,
and
we
want
to
make
sure
that
the
families
can
get
home
safely.
That
they're
not
stuck
in
their
via
to
work
like
make
more
time
at
home
versus
being
stuck
in
traffic.
G
I
I
could
throw
you
some
numbers,
but
I'm
sure
you
use
it
against
me
for
them
it's
in
the
hospital,
but
it
did
seem
like
the
initial
plan
under
your
government
had
a
location
where
there
was
actually
a
pipeline
underneath,
where
you
put
the
Edmonton
South
hospital.
So
obviously
redesign
would
have
to
go
on
that,
but
that
is
a
different
Ministry.
So.
H
It
is
a
different
Ministry,
there's
pipelines
all
over
this
province
and
we'll
relocate
highways
and
hospitals
around
them,
not
on
top
of
them
through
the
chair
managed
her
another
project
that
is
important
to
the
city
of
Edmonton.
In
particular,
that's
the
50th
Street
project
delay
after
delay
after
delay,
the
government
seems
to
have
spent
58
less
than
what
you'd
budgeted
for
last
year.
Can
you
share
more
about
the
lack
of
work
on
this
project?
Now?
H
How
is
the
ministry
been
supporting
the
city
of
Edmonton,
advancing
this
project
and
what
measures
will
you
take
as
a
government
to
ensure
that
the
project
Six
Days
on
track
this
year?
It's
been
a
horrific,
long
term
delay
in
this
project.
We
hear
every.
If
you
listen
to
traffic
reports.
Historically,
50th
Street
Bridge
was
needed
for
a
long
time,
because
there'd
be
long
lines
of
traffic
there.
Now
it's
it's
finally
underway,
but
it
just
seems
to
be
internally
delayed.
So
what
are
the
difficulties
you're
running
into
with
this
project?
So.
G
A
great
great
question
and
I
know
that
the
government
of
Alberta
is
providing
28.3
million
into
this
very
important
project
in
the
city
of
Edmonton,
and
that's
that's
one
third
of
the
overall
cost,
so
the
city
of
Edmonton
is
putting
in
their
the
federal
government
actually
is
and
over
and
for
for
those.
Not
not.
G
His
project
actually
includes
grade
separation
at
the
CP
tracks
at
50th
Street,
so
that's
north
of
Sherwood,
Park
freeway,
and
it
includes
widening
50th
Street
from
four
lanes
to
six
within
the
city
between
Sherwood
Park,
freeway
and
90th
Avenue
and
the
overall.
When
this
is
completed,
the
project
will
ease
congestion
in
the
area
by
separating
commuter
traffic,
from
train
traffic
so
similar
to
the
Atchison
project
on
I-60,
and
it
will
eliminate
delays
and
frustration
from
frequent
train
crossings
in
the
area
and
it
is
actually
being
delivered
by
the
the
city.
G
H
More
specifically,
looking
at
roads
in
line
3.3
of
the
estimates
page
27,
227
I
should
say
there
was
an
almost
30
percent
decrease
in
the
provincial
spending
on
the
safe
roads,
Alberta
program
than
what
was
budgeted
for
wanted
to
know
what
causes
decrease
and
if
you
would
please
share
more
about
the
the
average
wait
times
for
the
review
to
dispute
a
vehicle,
seizure
and
review
to
dispute
an
immediate
roadside
sanctions
notice
an
IRS
this
this
year,
there's
a
36
percent,
5.9
million
decrease
in
the
budget,
as
opposed
to
last
year
of
9.6
million.
H
G
Because
we're
backing
away
from
that
program,
it
initially
was
was
announced
we're
going
to
move
forward,
but
the
the
government
of
the
day
decided
to
to
pull
back
that
program.
So
that's
why
we're
seeing
the
the
reduction
there
and
there's
also
FTE
reductions
there
as
well?
Just
because
we're
not
going
directions,
use
a
bad
Transportation
fund,
but
we're
not
going
in
that
direction
anymore.
G
Through
just
further
consultation
and
talking
to
folks
to
see
that
it
at
that
time,
it
wasn't
a
good
idea
whether
it
gets
readdressed,
I
I
couldn't
say.
But
we
wanted
to
make
sure
that
the
the
public
was
inside,
that
we
weren't
making
any
any
mistakes
as
a
government
and
I
just
think.
It
was
a
good
example
of
taking
a
step
and
having
to
re-evaluate,
re-evaluate
and
to
to
make
decisions
that
weren't
going
to
to
affect
Alberta's.
H
Negatively
right,
but
you
just
indicated
you
received
information,
you
made
a
decision
as
a
government.
You
must
have
decided
to
accept
recommendations
based
on
that
information
and
made
a
determination
that,
for
some
reason
this
was
something
you
didn't
want
to
go
forward
on
or
what
were
the
reasons.
G
The
I
think
the
the
intent
of
it
was
obviously
just
to
to
clear
up
Court
times
to
make
sure
we
were.
There
was
a
growing
number
of
of
issues
in
courts,
a
lot
of
traffic.
G
You
know
lesser
severe
traffic
incidents
were
being
in
court
and
we're
tying
up
Court
times,
and
we
were
seeing
some
some
horrible
cases
just
timing
out,
because
there
wasn't
enough
Court
time
to
actually
process
them.
So
the
intent
behind
it
was
to
make
sure
that
we
could
have
a
justice
system
where
people
had
confidence.
G
The
real
bad
guys
are
actually
getting
processed
in
court.
So
that
was
the
intent
behind
wanting
to
to
take
traffic
issues
out
of
that.
But
when
we
heard
loud
and
clear
from
albertans
that
their
ability
to
be
able
to
to
use
the
courts
to
fight
their
yes
sure,
maybe
minor
offenses,
but
to
make
sure
that
they
had
that
ability
and
that
right
to
do
it.
That
was
something
that
we
didn't
want
to.
Okay,.
H
Thank
you.
Let's
move
on
to
line
3.4
of
the
estimate
space
227
once
again,
and
you
had
mentioned
commercial
driver
grants
earlier,
there's
a
degree
decrease
of
21
from
the
amount
spent
in
the
third
fiscal
quarter
and
the
amount
budgeted
for
the
commercial
driver
grants
no.
Last
November
the
government
announced
that
it
was
expanding
the
eligibility
of
the
program
to
allow
more
Alberta
to
take
advantage
of
it.
Can
you
share
how
many
grants
were
given
out
last
year
and
how
many
of
them
covered
at
least
95
percent
of
their
training
and
testing
costs?
H
G
G
So
a
thousand
grants
have
have
actually
been
issued
and
73
percent
of
those
actually
did
get
their
their
license,
which
is
which
is
fantastic
and
41
percent
grantees.
Folks
that
received
a
grant
self
reported
that
they
were
able
to
obtain
employment
within
90
days
of
completing
this
program.
G
So
I
know
it
was
kind
of
the
first
of
its
kind
in
the
province,
but
I
think
those
are
are
pretty
good
stats
and
numbers
to
show
that
you
know
people
were
using
the
program
and
when
you
can
see
you
know
that
that
amount
of
of
response,
time
of
being
able
to
get
a
job
following
that,
that's
great.
H
So
I'm
understanding
this
correctly
Minister
you're,
saying
that
the
there's
a
good
uptake
on
the
program,
a
thousand
people
took
advantage
of
it.
73
of
them
got
employment
as
a
result,
but
therefore
you're
decreasing
the
budget
to
that
successful
program,
and
would
it
not
be
more
sensible
to
increase
the
program
instead
of
decreasing
the
funding
available?
What,
if
sort
of
isn't
it
the
case?
H
If
you,
if
you
build
it,
if
you
have
the
money
available,
people
will
come
to
use
it
and
that's
evidence
that
you're
just
talking
about
people
are
taking,
you
know
and
getting
their
taking
advantage
of
these
grants.
Why
would
you
not
expand
it
if
it
is
successful
to
allow
more
people
to
come
forward
and
then
get
take
advantage
of
these
grants
to
satisfy
the
need
the
high
need?
We
have
for
truckers
in
this
province.
G
H
Well,
in
a
case
like
that,
though,
where
you
see
an
uptake
of
a
program
that
is
not
successful,
whether
the
high
need
in
Alberta,
if,
indeed
the
federal
government,
for
whatever
reasons
funding
diminishes,
wouldn't
it
behoove,
The
Province
to
say,
look
we're
going
to
backfill
this
and
make
sure
that
we've
we
satisfy
the
demand
for
truckers.
Education
here
and
and
fill
fill
those
dollars
in
to
take
advantage
of
the
the
demand
and
the
willingness
of
drivers
to
come
forward.
G
H
Right,
I'll
move
on
to
other
things
now
one
of
the
really
important
issues,
and
it
may
take
a
fair
bit
of
time
to
cover
this.
H
What
are
the
most
common
complaints
I'm
sure
that
I
receive
and
I'm
sure
that
you
Minister
will
receive
from
albertans
relates
to
deferred
or
neglected
highway
or
Bridge
maintenance,
and
we
look
at
your
maintenance
targets
that
are
in
these
strategic
plan.
I
believe
and
you'll
even
meant
alluded
to
them
in
your
opening
comments,
where
you
suggested
that
I
think
it
was
84
percent
of
Alberta
highways
were
in
lunar,
fair
condition.
H
H
You
would
come
up
with
a
statement
that
says:
42
percent
of
Alberta's
highways
are
in
Fair
or
poor
condition
and
I,
and
many
albertans
across
the
province.
Wonder
allowed
and
scratch
our
head
as
to
why
it's
acceptable
that
in
this
day
and
age,
42
percent
of
our
highways
being
in
Fair
or
poor
condition
is
a
is
an
acceptable
metric
for
for
operative
transportation
and
economic
corridors.
H
I
think
that
if
albertans
were
to
see
a
request
from
an
airport
in
Alberta
to
have
42
percent
of
its
runways
in
Fair
or
poor
condition,
they'd
be
pretty
alarmed.
If
a
rail
line
forward
a
proposal
to
say
look
a
minister,
are
we
in
Alberta
rail?
We
want
to
have
just
42
percent
of
our
Rail
lines
in
in
Fair
or
poor
condition
and
operate
that
way.
It
would
be
highly
unacceptable
and
albertans
are
wondering
why
this
metric
is
acceptable
for
Alberta
highways
and
I
I.
H
Take
it
sure
that
these
metrics
were
in
place
when
we
were
in
government
as
well,
but
it's
a
long-standing
metric
and
it
doesn't
seem
to
be
changing
because
if
you
look
at
the
the
targets
that
you're
estimating
for
going
forward
in
the
next
two
three
years,
they're
not
they're,
unchanged
that
you
you're
accepting
as
a
Ministry
that
these
targets
are
are
okay,
42
percent,
fair
or
poor.
Condition
is
an
acceptable
metric
and
and
even
the
the
industry
members
who
are
responsible
in
the
large
measure
for
maintaining
highways
are
concerned
about
this.
H
Because
of
course,
you
end
up
having
highway
conditions
deteriorating.
It
cost
even
more
to
fix
those
highways
if
they
get
Beyond
a
certain
level
of
deterioration.
So
governments
typically
are
not
the
greatest
at
maintaining
infrastructure,
and
this
is
one
prime
example
of
it:
a
roadway,
Network
deteriorates
and
it
doesn't
get
the
maintenance.
It
requires
and
I'm
wondering
how.
H
I'm
agnostic
about
it.
Yet
I
wanted
to
hear,
though
I'm
sure
you're
familiar
with
it.
I
wanted
to
hear
how
much
of
this
have
you
adopted,
how
much
of
the
case
for
an
Alberta,
Highway,
Trust
Company,
put
forward
by
the
Alberta
road
builders
and
heavy
construction
Association?
Do
you
accept,
and
do
you
believe
that
there
is
a
a
need
for
much
better
communication
between
the
industry
members,
the
road
builders
association
in
particular
and
government
to
make
sure
that
the
metrics
don't
stay
where
they
are
like
the
42
percent
Fair
poor
condition
of
our
highways?
H
That
does
not
remain
an
acceptable
standard
for
us
in
the
province
and
that
we
we
alter
it.
I'm
wondering
how
much
would
it
cost,
if,
indeed,
your
ministry
decided
that
you
would
adjust
those
by
by
five
percent
so
that
only
20
percent
of
our
roads
were
Fair
as
a
standard,
and
perhaps
only
10
percent
were
poor
or
or
10
percent?
What
what
would
it
cost
if
we
set
those
standards
so
that
15
were
fair
or
five
percent
were
poor,
because
this
standard
of
of
the
road
condition
in
2023
is
is
costing
us
money?
H
The
road
builders
and
heavy
construction
Association
lays
out
part
of
the
reason
why
some
of
it
is
a
budgeting
cycle
in
a
construction
cycle
and
a
financing
cycle
that
kind
of
lost
its
way
in
the
last
15
or
20
years
in
this
province,
and
there
needs
to
be
I,
think
a
better
collaboration
and
and
and
and
perhaps
you'll
look
at
what
what
is
being
proposed
by
the
Alberta
road
builders
and
heavy
construction
Association
to
form
a
different
relationship
and
allow
for
a
better
budgeting
process
so
that
we
do
approach
remediation
about
Road
surfaces
on
a
more
scheduled
basis
which
avoids
the
cyclical
nature
of
budgeting
in
a
transportation.
H
Ministry
and
other
Ministries,
which
doesn't
respond
to
the
needs
of
the
actual
infrastructure,
rather
to
political
needs
of
the
day,
so
just
trying
to
trying
to
iron
out
trying
to
smooth
out
the
political
roller
coaster
that
budget
financing
has
with
respect
to
our
road.
So
what
what
have
you
to
say
on
this
yeah.
G
I
thought
we're
going
back
and
forth,
but
on
the
I
think
it
was
a
very
good
question
that
you
had
in
there
on
the
dollar
change
percentage
of
road
condition
and
that's
something
that
we
can.
We
can
we'll
commit
to
getting
back
to
if
that's,
okay,
with
your
chair
to
table
to
the
committee,
because
that's
a
very
fair
and
good
question
and
and
point
on
the
the
road
Builder
Builders.
We've
heard
that
as
well
when
we've
met.
G
With
so,
if
you're
a
construction
company
X
and
you
want
to
go,
buy
equipment,
that's
going
to
last
you
10,
plus
years,
you
want
to
have
that
predictable
fund.
If
it's
year
to
year,
it's
it's
scary
to
go
in
to
invest
that
type
of
capital.
So
to
have
that
predictable
funding
is
something
that
we've
heard
loud
and
clear
from
from
the
industry.
We
want
to
find
ways
that
we
can
have
lots
of
service
providers,
because
we
know
that
there
is
lots
of
work
out
there.
So.
B
Is
it
is
about
con?
It
is
a
back
and
forth.
You
did
pick
up
some
fairly
substantial
time
asking
your
question.
I'd
offer
the
opportunity
to
the
minister
to
answer
that
he
was
in
in
full
force
if
you'd
like
to
interrupt
him,
do
it
through
the
chair
and
just
speak
directly
to
him.
So
please
go
ahead.
Minister
two.
G
Other
two
other
points
that
that
you
that
you
raised
of
the
the
budget
this
year
for
for
Highway
Maintenance.
It
has
gone
up
72
million
dollars
from
from
the
average
of
recent
memory
and
I
know
you
had
mentioned
it
in
your
remarks
that
that
metric
when,
when
the
NDP,
when
party
was
in
power,
it's
it's
been
unchanged.
So
this
is
a
72
million
dollar
increase
in
that
Capital
maintenance
budget.
G
So
it's
a
total
of
402
million
dollars
for
this
and
that
that
is
the
highest
annual
budget
seen
in,
and
so
that
is
a
72
million
dollar
increase
by
average.
But
just
that's
that's!
What's
in
the
estimates
and
I
just
wanted
to
make
sure
that
I
could
make
that
clear.
H
If
I
may
Mr
chair
the
long-term
metrics
that
we're
talking
about
where
there's
42
percent
of
our
roadways
are
in
Fair,
poor
condition
is
something
that
I
think
albertans
are
are
no
longer
willing
to
accept
and
they're
looking
for
leadership
from
this
provincial
government
to
to
address
the
conditions
of
our
roads
in
a
serious
way.
By
changing
these
metrics
and
I
wanted
to
know
how
much
it
might
cost.
If
we
were
to
do
so
in
a
way
that
was
budgetarily.
H
Possible
over
over
a
shorter
period
of
time
as
possible
and
mentioned
when
I
mentioned.
There
are
other
road
builders
and
heavy
construction
Association
case
for
an
Alberta
Highway
Trust
Company
now
table
this
document
as
well,
but
you
suggested
that
they
were
simply
looking
to
get
more
stable,
predictable
funding
and
it.
It
indicates
to
me
that
perhaps
you
haven't
read
this
document:
it's
pretty
comprehensive
and
it
it
entails
a
Mr
chair.
H
It
entails
a
a
whole
new
restructuring
of
the
relationship
between
the
business
and
government,
where
there
would
be
an
injection
of
of
Trustees
to
actually
hold
some
sway
within
the
ministry
and
in
a
very
tight
collaboration
of
way.
So
I
would
suggest
that
it's
something
that
should
be
looked
at
and
beyond
beyond
simply
looking
at
more
predictable
funding.
H
Industry
members
are
are
looking
at
a
a
whole
new
restructuring
of
the
relationship
between
industry
members
and
the
ministry
as
it
relates
to
Planning
and
Building,
and
funding
and
financing
road
construction
in
the
province
long
term.
So
it's
a
comprehensive
document,
I
think
deserves
attention
and
and
comment.
So
I
look
forward
to
hearing
more
from
you
on
that
future.
Yeah.
G
And
I
would
say
that
I
I
have
read
the
report.
I've
been
briefed
on
the
report,
met
with
the
road
builders
and
and
discussed
that
report.
It's
not
in
the
estimates,
however,
that
we
tabled
or
the
budget
that
was
tabled
last
week,
but
I
would
just
again
point
out
that
the
metric
of
we
are
seeing.
G
It
would
have
to
be
more,
but
we
are
seeing
at
least
a
22
increase
this
year
and
my
hope
that
we
could
always
try
to
try
to
catch
up
because
we
are
seeing
we,
we
always
had
a
reputation
in
the
province
of
Alberta
to
have
the
best
roads,
no
not
to
slag
our
our
friends
to
the
East
and
Saskatchewan,
but
an
Alberta
Road
Saskatchewan
road.
We
always
took
that
that
point
of
Pride,
because
we
did
historically
keep
up
with
our
our
road
maintenance,
and
so
at
least
this
in
this
budget.
H
Well
in
the
chair,
I
might
find
some
disagreement
with
that
statement
from
the
people
of
high
level.
The
minister
who
contacted
me
after
being
dissatisfied
with
the
response
they're
getting
from
your
ministry
on
the
condition
of
Highway
58
after
a
washout
outside
of
high
level,
took
out
a
lane
of
their
roadway,
that
was
in
the
spring
of
2022
and
as
they
suffered
a
a
one-lane
highway
for
six
months,
or
so,
it
was
controlled
by
a
traffic
light
at
either
end
of
the
the
washout
and
the
dead
of
winter.
H
And
finally,
after
some
advocacy
by
me,
and
hopefully,
some
responsive
from
your
your
ministry.
After
six
months,
it
took
one
week
of
construction
to
get
that
washout
repaired
and
I'm
wondering
why
it
would
take
six
months
for
a
Ministry
to
perform
a
one-week
repair
on
a
highway,
which
is
the
only
road
going
into
high
level
in
what
turned
out
to
be
the
winter
time
after
a
spring.
Washoe.
Is
that
an
acceptable
metric
for
emergency
repairs
on
a
roadway
like
this
now
I'm
sure
you
have
continuously
funding
for
emergency
road
repairs?
C
29B
I
believe
the
the
item
is
turned
if
I'm
misspeaking
on
that
I
apologize,
I
I've
been
very
interested
in
some
story.
Time
I've
been
very
interested
in
documents
that
aren't
part
of
the
budget.
Submission
I've
been
very
interested
in
hearing
all
the
relevance
comes
back,
but
this
is
not
question
time.
C
This
is
in
the
in
the
context
of
question
period.
I'm
really
struggling.
Maybe
the
member
can
find
something
on
a
page.
That's
in
the
estimates
that
the
minister
can
speak
to
if
I
started
tabling
a
bunch
of
other
documents
or
round
of
it
here,
and
if
that
member
were
the
minister
at
the
end
of
the
table,
I'm
sure
his
patients
would
be
wearing
them
at
this
point.
C
H
Was
clearly
talking
about
the
metrics
that
the
ministry
would
be
applying
to
road
maintenance
and
absolutely
what
a
continuation
of
my
talk
about
the
the
estimates
percentages
for
road
conditions-
and
this
is
one
example
of
those
metrics
that
I
wanted
to
highlight
to
ask:
if,
indeed,
was
the
standard
that
the
government
was
found
acceptable,
so
I'm
perfectly
on
topic,
Mr,
chair,
I,
believe.
B
G
Thank
you.
You
know
for
this.
This
highway,
the
department
is
in
the
process
of
engineering,
a
new
structure
that
would
restore
Highway
2
to
a
two-lane
traffic.
The
new
structure
is
targeted
to
be
installed
prior
to
Spring
runoff,
pending
roadway
safety
and
operational
requirements,
and
so
once
engineering
is
complete,
the
department
will
hire
a
contractor
to
repair
the
roadway
and
install
the
new
culverts,
but
but
you're
you're
right
that
this
is
a
very
important
vital
route
between
Rainbow,
Lake
and
and
folks
in
that
area.
G
So
to
make
sure
that
this,
you
know
this
or
any
type
of
of
disaster,
or
any
type
of
failure
of
our
road
Network
due
to
very
tough
weather
conditions
that
we
can
do
our
best
to
make
sure
it's
resolved.
B
Yeah,
thank
you
so
at
this
point
just
in
between
before
we
move
on
I'll
just
make
some
comments.
I've
heard
a
couple
of
concerns
about
relevance
coming
from
the
government
caucus
as
well,
and
we
we
do
have
a
fair
bit
of
leniency
and
in
the
time
here
it
is
the
members
time
to
ask
questions.
If
they,
you
know,
the
idea
of
budget
estimates
is
to
get
to
the
meat
of
the
matter
when
it
comes
to.
What's
in
in
the
documents
that
are
provided.
B
Although
I
do
understand,
there
is
a
temptation
to
take
political
shots,
but
I
would
caution
members.
You
know
I'm
going
to
give
you
the
example
of
the
Edmonton
South
hospital
that
was
brought
up.
You
know
by
the
members
of
the
official
opposition,
and
then
it
was
pointed
out
by
the
minister
that
the
when
that
government
was
in
power
they
had
actually
planned
to
build
that
hospital
over
a
live
pipeline.
B
C
Thank
you,
chairman
to
the
minister,
I
was
actually
going
to
ask
a
bunch
of
items
on
Highway
maintenance
on
road
repair,
but
given
the
member
opposite,
even
after
motion,
501
was
passed
in
the
house
and
we
debated
it
for
our
on
end
still
doesn't
understand
the
relevance
or
how
economic
corridors
work
I
might
want
to
go
back
if
you're,
okay,
with
administer,
to
go
back
and
forth
page
139
of
the
transportation
economic
quarter
as
a
business
plan,
and
also
some
of
the
outcomes
we'll
just
Loosely
go
back
and
forth
on
that,
if
you're,
okay,
sir,
to
find
what
economic
corridors
are
so
a
little
background
and
edification
on
that
again,
I
was
very
fortunate
to
as
you'd
mentioned
minister
to
have
that
task
force.
C
When
we
had
the
task
force
put
in
place
together,
it
was
literally
to
look
at
some
of
the
issues
that
we
had
with
Transportation
Logistics,
Shortline
Rail
and
getting
Market
access
to
to
salt
water.
Quite
frankly,
with
a
lot
of
our
goods
and
commerce
and
I
guess.
The
best
context
for
folks
that
are
on
the
phone
or
are
watching
this
or
for
the
member's
opposite
is
to
think
Planes,
Trains
and
Automobiles,
defining
an
economic
Corridor,
isn't
necessary
or
necessarily
building
a
brand
new
project.
C
Prince
Rupert
is
a
massive
Port
of
it's
often
been
called
albertus
Port,
which
has
70
percent
more
room
to
grow.
We
currently
have
connections
and
hardpoints.
A
bunch
of
these
Churchill
Manitoba
was
mentioned
as
well
of
of
strategic
importance
not
only
to
our
nation
but
to
our
Province
and
our
bordering
provinces,
as
well
as
the
canned
Mex
Corridor.
So
when
we're
looking
at
Highway
2
we're
looking
at
Highway
39
Highway
22,
Highway
1,
all
of
these
other
Highway
686
that
we're
looking
for
construction.
C
These
are
all
segments
of
massive
economic
corridors
that
we
oftentimes
trip
over
stumble
by
take
for
granted.
Hence
the
report
was
put
together
to
identify
that.
Moreover,
the
report
identified
that
there
was
three
treaties-
treaties,
six,
seven
eight
within
our
province
that
we
had
and
we
had
membership
from
each
one
of
those
treaties
that
were
on
these.
They
were
overwhelming
supportive
of
this
concept
in
so
much
as
Chief
Leonard
standing
in
the
road
was
one
of
my
one
of
my
task
force
members.
C
He
is
now
the
Grand
Chief
for
treaty
sex
and
is
going
out
there
and
literally
trying
to
stand
up
economic
corridors
treaty
Chief
Isaac
and
that
group
up
there.
They
stood
up
in
economic
Economic
Council
to
deal
specifically
with
corridors.
So
when
the
member
opposite
is
trying
to
connect
the
dots
I
know
it's
a
little
bit
difficult
for
them,
because
this
is.
G
So,
if
you're
a
company
around
the
world
you're
looking
at
hey,
I
could
invest
in
this
and
and,
as
we've
talked
about
it
before
we're,
not
inventing
anything
new
here
there
you
can
look
in
in
Africa.
You
can
look
in
Australia.
There's
lots
of
countries
around
the
world
that
have
economic
corridors
treaties
where
all
that
political
instability
is
taken
up.
That
is
something
that
we're
trying
to
create
here.
We
I
think
as
as
Canadians
we're
always
hopeful
that
we
would
have
a
federal
government
that
was
supportive
of
nation
building
projects.
G
So
we'd
have
provinces
that
would
see
the
importance
of
of
their
neighbors
to
make
sure
that
they
can
prosper
and
succeed
as
as
a
society
and
as
a
people
and
and
we
we
haven't
seen
that
over
the
last
couple
decades.
So
that's
why
I
think
it's.
It
is
important
to
to
be
etched
in
the
walls
of
the
legislature,
so
that
there
is
a
focus
on
economic
corridors
and
how
Alberta
can
lead
and
and
not,
just
even
on
on
lines
on
maps.
You
meant
in
plane,
Trains
and
Automobiles
planes.
G
When
we
look
at
our
one
and
only
neighbor,
they
have
a
very
interesting
airport
model
that
is
extremely
competitive
and
when
we
compete
especially
for
cargo
flying
into
Canada,
it's
it's
night
and
day
comparison.
So
we
are
doing
some
policy
work
on
our
airports
as
well
to
see
Seattles
of
the
world
and
others
of
flights
coming
in
and
cargo
coming
in.
We
here
in
Alberta
can
be
that
destination
Hub
and
and
Branch
out
from
there
and
have
all
the
value
added
of
of
bringing
in.
C
Well
then,
the
other
thing
Minister
I'm,
not
sure
if
you
found
it
as
well.
You
know,
through
your
mission
statement
and
also
some
of
the
interactions
you
had
when
we
changed
the
narrative
and
I'm,
very
glad
that
the
vocabulary
is
out
there.
You
know
we're
defining
what
is
is
so
to
speak
when
it
comes
to
economic
corridors,
but
when
folks
fixate
on
one
asset
or
commodity
type,
then
then
invariably
they
can
get
cross-threaded
depending
on
the
conjecture
of
the
date.
C
But
when
you're
looking
at
connecting
regions
and
communities,
whether
it's
through
salt,
water
or
otherwise,
and
I
honestly
believe
we
always
should
be
cognizant
of
that
of
what
we
have
existing.
How
trades
and
commerce
and
goods
and
service
work
and
to
your
point
earlier,
made
we're
on
the
globe
we're
not
sitting
on
a
flat
page
when
you
start
connecting
these
trading
jurisdictions
and
regions.
A
lot
of
it
comes
down
to
timing
and
Logistics
as
well.
C
We
couldn't
get
our
goods
and
commodities
flowing
out
of
the
North,
so
we
literally
couldn't
move
our
lumber
out
of
Northern
Alberta,
because
there
wasn't
the
warehousing
and
storage
availability
they
couldn't
get
it
on
the
boats,
literally,
the
ships
were
not
coming
into
our
ports
because
of
of
being
tied
up
in
their
pandembridge.
So,
minister,
with
that,
when
you
start
talking
about
these
economic
corridors,
is
that
also
resonating
with
the
Port
Authorities?
Is
it
also
resonating
with
the
other
rail
companies,
the
trucking
companies,
and
also
some
of
our
major
key
economic
drivers
in
the
province?
G
I
think
we're
we're
starting
to
to
talk
the
language
that
they've
always
hoped
and
wanted
governments
to
to
speak.
When
you
look
at
Vancouver,
obviously
at
number
one
port
in
in
the
country,
Prince
Rupert
is
now
overtaken
the
second
spot
to
be
the
the
second
largest,
and
that
is
primarily
thanks
to
to
Alberta
of
of
our
products
being
able
to
ship
through
there
and
there's
a
long-standing
issue
that
we've
had
with
the
federal
government.
G
Even
for
the
port
of
Vancouver,
their
board
of
directors
is
set
up
with
only
one
representative
from
the
prayer
provinces
from
Alberta,
Saskatchewan
Manitoba,
but
yeah.
The
boat
I
think
I
think
it's
percent
of
the
the
exports
from
that
Port
comes
from
these
three
provinces,
so
with
11
person
board
only
having
one
representative
from
80
plus
percent
of
all
exports
is
something
that
we've
always
fought
to
say
that
we
want
to
have
more
more
representation,
so
there's
a
greater
focus
on
it.
So
yes
I
think,
especially
on
the
port
side.
C
Minister
and
given,
though,
some
of
our
key
drivers
in
our
Province,
both
with
the
agri-food
sector
and
the
actual
production
that
we
can
get
and
I,
know
you're
you're
from
a
farming
background,
as
well
as
many
of
us
here
around
the
table,
understanding
of
getting
not
only
raw
Commodities
but
to
be
able
to
to
address
some
of
the
logistics
and
supply
chain
issues.
C
So
I
was
very
pleased
to
hear
the
work
that's
taking
place
in
Highway
three,
even
though
it's
not
in
my
own
backyard,
but
this
work
is
taking
place
on
Highway
3
and
helping
growing
out
the
agri-food
corridor
as
well.
Can
you
speak
to
some
of
the
logistical
challenges
that
you've
heard
there
and
how
some
of
these
twinning
projects
will
Improvement
and
also
potentially
getting
some
of
I
know
it's
not
your
ministry
directly,
but
using
the
economic
corridors
to
help
facilitate
the
irrigation.
That's
going
to
be
taking
place
in
those
areas
to
help
sustain
it.
G
Yeah,
the
the
first
section
of
the
Highway
3
training
project
between
Tabor
and
Burdette
is
is
right
in
this
budget.
Construction
is
going
to
happen
this
spring.
There
are
seven
other
sections
that
that
we're
working
on
they're
at
different
stages
of
engineering
design
planning,
but
that
that
first
phase
will
happen
this
spring
and
it
is
such
a
major
economic
Corridor
in
the
southern
part
of
the
The
Province,
with
with
irrigation
down
there,
800
plus
million
dollars
in
irrigation
have
been
invested
over
the
years.
G
We're
seeing
about
200,
plus
thousand
new
Acres
of
of
irrigated
land,
and,
what's
and
even
more
exciting
than
that
is,
is
to
have
value-added
food
processors,
looking
at
Southern
Alberta
as
a
place
to
come
and
invest
or
expand
their
existing
facilities.
And
when
you
do
look
around
the
world
of
irrigation
Acres
going
down
because
of
poor
management,
poor
planning
and
other
places
around
the
world.
We're
actually
I
think
one
of
the
only
jurisdictions
that
has
grown
and
have
more
irrigated
Acres.
G
These
were
blocked
in
BC.
So
I
do
think
that
there
is
an
appetite
with
the
the
current
BC
government
to
be
able
to
expand
that,
but
yeah,
obviously
having
having
more
more
infrastructure
in
these
key
vital
areas
is,
is
definitely
important.
C
Really
appreciate
that
Minister
and
that's
what
we
heard
too
comments
coming
out
of.
Even
the
mayor
of
Vancouver
at
the
time
was
we're
going
from
a
just-in-time
model
to
a
just
in
case
model.
Hence
redundancy
in
the
system
and
that
act
report
was
you
know,
showing
about
4.4
trillion
dollars
being
spent
in
infrastructure
like
it
was.
It
was
huge
over
from
20
well
time
until
2070
just
to
reach.
You
know:
growth
of
inflation
and
population
growth
just
to
meet
our
needs.
C
One
item
here,
sir,
now
that
we're
getting
onto
the
back
end
of
the
clock:
Short
Line
rail.
So
when
we
did
the
report
in
the
study
and
the
recommendations
on
that,
it
also
showed
a
niche
service
or
something
that's
been
kind
of
pulled
away
from
from
the
mainline
carriers
just
to
do
business
models
over
the
year
and
consolidation
of
their
lines
and
also
being
more
fixated
on
delivery
rather
than
first
mile
last
mile
service
we've
also
seen
an
uptick
and
Saskatchewan
did
a
great
job.
C
You
know
it's
been
said
a
few
times,
they've
been
eating
our
lunch
and
I
I
love
that,
because
they're,
a
great
bunch
of
folks
that
you
know
the
legislators
I've
met
they're
very
much
in
common
theme
that
we
are
I'm
very
much
standing
up
for
a
lot
of
the
same
things
that
we
do
in
the
province.
They
do
as
well
in
the
country,
our
allies
for
sure,
but
one
thing
they
did
honestly
beat
us
to
the
punch
on
was
making
sure
that
they
had
a
short
line
service.
C
So
the
Western
Rail
Association
that
they
have
out
there.
They
have
a
number
of
members,
I
believe
14.
We
have
two
in
Alberta,
but
some
of
the
Short
Line
rail
difficulties
and
also
some
of
those
golden
opportunities
of
how
we
look
at
that.
So
could
you
maybe
speak
to
how
we
integrate
Shortline
service
and
potentially
some
cooperatives
or
new
Shortline
rail
services
using
an
old
or
existing
beds
and
refurbishing
them
and
how
they
integrate
back
into
the
to
the
main
model
and
help
facilitate
the
growth
of
our
AG
sector
as
well?.
G
Another
another
great
question
and
and
yeah
our
friends
in
in
Saskatchewan
we've.
We
were
blessed
here
in
Alberta
of
not
having
Decades
of
NDP
government
to
slow
down
Economic,
Development
and
growth,
but
they
are.
They
have
done
some
some
really
Innovative
things
recently,
whether
it's
the
investment
tax
credit
that
they've
introduced
and
they've
even
bumped
it
up
since.
But
when
it
comes
to
Shortline
rail,
yes,
I
think
they
have
been
because
again,
they're
even
farther
away
from
from
Tidewater
than
we
are
they've.
They've
done
a
lot
of
good
work
on
on
Shortline
rails.
G
We
have
two
essentially
monopolistic
rail
companies
that
are
like
crisscross,
The,
Province
or
the
country,
and
and
down
into
the
United
States,
and
that's
not
good
for
for
economy,
to
have
more
competition
to
make
sure
that
we
can
have
more
Rail
lines,
whether
it
be
short
lines
or
federally
regulated
class
ones
that
that's
all
music
to
to
economic
growth
and
development.
G
So
that's
something
that
we
are
working
with
with
the
industry
and
trying
to
come
up
with
some
policy
proposals
and
again
not
Reinventing
the
wheel
to
see
where
we
can
go
to
to
try
to
help
help
with
some
some.
Whether
class
one
is
as
vacated
to
space
and
there's
some
some
rail
bed.
That's
existing!
That's
there
to
be
able
to
say
how
can
we
incentivize
or
to
bring
a
short
line
into
that
area
because
yeah
it's
moving
moving
any
commodity
by
rail
is
better
than
truck
and
better
than
truck
or
better
than
rail.
G
C
Well,
I
appreciate
that
Minister
and
again,
you
know
to
the
point.
The
the
feedback
that
we've
received
is
right
across
the
province
and
also
the
feedback
that
we've
received
is
nation.
Building,
literally
it's
it's
pulling
our
economies
together
and
spanning
electoral
Cycles,
one
of
the
other
items.
If
we
talk
about
as
well
and
I
again,
it
relates
to
the
economic
quarters
and
your
mandate.
But
we
haven't
talked
about
those
border
crossings.
C
Is
there
something
that
we're
working
on
for
flow
and
goods
and
services
they're
getting
us
across
that
southern
border,
whether
it's
flexing
the
can-mex
treaty
that
you
had
spoken
about
before,
leveraging
that,
whether
it's
looking
at
Coots
or
Bonita,
or
some
of
the
other
crossings
that
we're
looking
at
of
integrating
and
in
to
help
that
flow
of
goods
and
services?
Again
as
it
relates
to
the
to
the
economic
Corridor,
sir
yeah.
G
That
is,
that
is
something
that
I
raised
when
I
was
in
Ottawa,
with
the
federal
government
of
an
express
lane
at
Coots.
Saskatchewan
does
have
an
express
lane
for
for
goods
going
across
into
the
United
States
and
to
be
able
to
to
have
that
here
as
well,
just
to
help
with
with
Commerce
and
and
all
the
truck
traffic
that
we
have
going
down.
The
United,
States,
isn't
isn't
and,
and
I
and
I
should
have
mentioned
in
your
earlier
question.
G
There
are
359
provincially
regulated
rail
sites
that
operate
as
either
industrial
Heritage
or
public
Shortline
Railway
within
Alberta,
and
these
they
obviously
you
know
the
seven
Heritage
Railways
and
three
public
Shortline
Railways.
So
as
much
as
we
can
again
work
with
them
to
make
sure
that
we
can
see
how
we
can
expand
their
operation
and
again
get
more
trucks
off
the
road.
That's
that's
overall
good
for
our
Capital
maintenance,
renewable
renewal
budget
as
well,
and.
C
It
bodes
well
for
both
CN
and
CP
I
mean
sometimes
we
look
at
them
disparagingly
because
they
are
big
companies
and
they
do
those
things,
but
from
what
I
found
is,
quite
the
contrary,
in
a
lot
of
regards
they're,
very
good
at
what
they
do
and
when
the
the
companies
look
at
the
Short
Line
Rail
and
some
of
these
Intermodal
transport
facilities
just
integrating
into
their
model,
it
works.
Well,
so
can
do
I'm
going
to
give
them
a
hatsaw,
or
you
know,
a
tip
of
the
hat
to
them
as
well.
C
They've
worked
with
that
model
very
well
where
they
can
run
on
CN
and
CP
lines
and
I.
Think
a
lot
of
the
Short
Line
rail
folks
have
figured
that
out
in
Saskatchewan
as
well
that
do
this
and
I
think
we
have
some
very
golden
opportunities
to,
quite
frankly
build
the
farm
team
when
it
comes
to
rail,
transportational
Logistics
to
to
dovetail
in
there.
So
we
want
to
make
sure
at
least
I
want
to
make
sure
that
don't
cast
as
disparaging
eye
against
cnncp.
We
obviously
appreciate
all
the
goods
and
services
they
move
for
us.
C
C
So
you
know
this
might
sound
self-fulfilling
a
bit
but
I'm
very
excited
about
corridors
and
building
our
country
again
and
jumping
over
that
that
narrative
and
spanning
the
political
scene
by
you,
looking
at
tying
in
some
of
these
corridors,
not
only
in
our
Province
to
make
sure
that
we're
building
those
segments
out,
but
but
literally
building
up,
Northwest
Canada.
So
really
appreciate
that.
C
No,
no,
it's
okay,
and
there
are
some
concerns,
obviously
out
there,
but
I
think
there's
a
way
forward
when
we
start
talking
about
these
corridors
and
the
Shortline
rail
service,
of
how
we,
how
we
decouple
some
of
the
congestive
points
and
debottleneck
one
item,
I,
wouldn't
mind
asking
or
talking
about
again
a
bit
too.
If
you
could
in
in
my
area,
we
had
an
announcement
a
little
while
ago,
but
just
again
for
the
record.
C
If
you
could
talk
a
little
bit
about
some
of
the
plans
that
will
be
taking
place
out
on
Highway
16
and
Range
Road
20,
16a
I
should
say
in
Range
Road
20
of
again
another
major
economic
Corridor,
making
sure
that
we
don't
slow
that
down,
but
also
addressing
safety
issues
and
concerns
as
well.
G
Yeah
no
year
that
was
a
a
very
unsafe
intersection
and
and
I
do
appreciate
you
and
MLA
Mark
Smith
and
others
that
raise
that
unsafe
intersection
and
as
as
traffic
grew
as
we
had
more
and
more.
You
know
different
types
of
traffic
flows
of
heavy
trucks,
big
trucks
in
that
area
it
was
becoming
unsafe
and
I,
know,
there's
fatalities
and,
and
it's
something
that
it
needs
to
be
fixed.
And
so
we
are
obviously
in
the
budget
committed
to
making
sure
that
that
intersection
is
fixed.
G
We're
out
complete
redesign
of
it
will
happen
so
that
it
is
safe
and
in
the
meantime,
we
are
looking
at
safety
measures,
whether
it's
it's
additional
signage
or
what
we
can
do
just
to
make
sure
you
know
the
public
awareness
is
there
before
we
actually
get
the
shovels
in
the
ground
and
physically
improve
that
intersection,
but
yeah.
C
Appreciate
that
ending
with
Highway
60
the
overpass
just
to
make
sure
because
I
know,
there's
been
lots
of
splashes
out
there
from
prior
administrations.
We
all
saw
the
sound
bites
and
we
got
here
as
fairy
tales
and
pixie
dust
in
the
budget.
There
was
nothing
there
so
just
to
get
you
on
record,
we
do
have
cash
allocated
for
making
that
happen
on
that
major
portal.
C
G
B
Hours
sorry
to
interrupt,
but
that
concludes
the
government.
Members
First
block
to
questions.
Now
we
move
to
five
minutes
of
questions
from
the
official
opposition,
followed
by
five
minutes
of
response
from
the
minister.
As
mentioned
members
are
asked
to
advise
the
chair
at
the
beginning
of
their
rotation
if
they
wish
to
combine
their
time
with
The
Minister's
time.
Is
that
something
you'd
like
to
do?
Is
that
you're
amenable
to
that?
H
Time,
chair
Minister,
we
had
talked
about
some
other
projects
that
were
underway.
One
of
them
is
very
important,
is
the
Ivanka
Bridge
replacement,
and
it's
something
that
we
strongly
support
is
the
opposition
we
actually,
when
we're
in
government,
funded
that
in
budget
2018,
and
then
it
was
canceled
and
now
it's
coming
back.
Why
was
there
the
the
Gap
there
and
it
now
was
now-
has
become
a
priority
to
think
of
bridge.
G
There
it'll
be
a
three-year
project
for
bridge
replacement,
so
we're
essentially
building
a
new
bridge
right
beside
the
old
existing
bridge
and
it
will
be
a
heavy,
a
heavy
load
bridge
to
be
able
to
take
the
all
the
the
big
traffic
that
goes
on
the
big
trucks
that
go
in
that
area
and
again
limit
about,
and
I
said
this
in
my
opening
remarks
about
a
200
kilometer
Loop
that
currently
has
to
go
around
on
a
round
trip
for
for
large
loads
to
be
able
to
go
through
that
area.
So
you
greatly.
H
It
is
very
much
needed:
do
you
foresee
any
delays
upcoming
in
this
bridge
replacement
or
you
figure
it's
going
to
be
full
steam
ahead.
Nothing
that
no
hurdles
that
should
prevent
its
completion
on
time.
We're.
G
We're
confident
that
the
engineering,
the
planning
that
we've
done
working
with
the
stakeholders
industry
in
the
area,
communities,
counties
in
the
area,
I
think
everybody
in
the
area
once
wants
this
to
happen.
So
we'll
do
everything
we
can,
but
obviously
it
is
a
bridge.
So
when
you're
dealing
with
with
rivers,
it's
an
applicable
Waters,
it's
federal
government,
but
we
are
hopeful
that
that
three-year
time
frame
will
happen
and
again
the
design,
the
land,
the
utilities
everything
is,
is
locked
in.
It's
so
I'd
like
to
say:
there's
no
hurdle.
A
G
Should
be,
it
should
be
full
steam
ahead.
Thank.
H
You
sort
of
chair
with
respect
to
once
again
they're
delayed
in
a
project.
A
coverage
airport
rain
roads
was
funded,
the
budget
in
budget
2018
as
well
and
canceled,
and
now
coming
back.
What
was
the
reason
for
that
delay?
Delaying
that
now
it's
back
on
the
table.
What
what
what's
stalled
that.
G
H
For
that
answer
through
the
chair,
if
I
may
continue
on
to
other
topics,
I
wanted
to
talk
about
rails.
Now
we
have
long
heard
about
the
difficulties
that
Canadian
or
and
albertan
manufacturer
suppliers
Foresters
have
had
with
respect
to
moving
their
Commodities
on
the
CPC
CN
rail
line
because
of
their
Monopoly
position
and
they're
in
that
disadvantage
in
negotiating
and
contracts
and
so
forth.
H
I
know
that
one
of
the
big
concerns
is:
is
rail
capacity
and
and
I'm
wondering
about
the
difficulties
that
you
may
be
having
in
negotiating
with
cncp
as
a
provincial
government
to
assist
our
suppliers
or
commodity
producers
in
making
sure
that
there
are
adequate
rail
car
capacities
and
scheduling
to
make
sure
we
get
our
products
to
Market
to
to
salt
water?
H
G
But
when
it
comes
to
rail,
there
is
a
monitoring
group
that
makes
sure
that
all
whether
it's
rail
cars
for
for
grain,
or
what
type
of
that
there
is
a
monitoring
system
of
it,
which
is
which
is
great
and
I,
would
say
with
our
rail
competition.
I
know,
we'd
mentioned
it
before
about
two
monopolistic
type
Railways
depending
on
where
they
are
they
do
they
transport
billions
of
dollars
for
the
products,
so
they
are
still
important.
G
They
are
vitally
important
and
to
your
your
point
of
how
can
we
help
make
sure
that
we
can
have
Goods
delivered
to
markets
around
the
world?
One
of
the
biggest
things
is
it's
a
global
market
and
we
compete
globally
and
things
like
the
carbon
tax
or
things
that
actually
hurt
our
Global
competitiveness
when
we're
going
into
markets
where
the
Canada
equivalent
the
Alberta
equivalents
around
the
world,
that
don't
have
carbon
taxes
that
are
selling
their
products
into
the
exact
same
Market.
We're
trying
to
sell
into
it's
a
competitive
disadvantage.
G
H
B
Remember,
I
I
turned
a
meeting
last
night
for
three
hours
where
the
the
government
Minister
refused
to
go
back
and
forth
because
in
previous
meetings,
he'd
been
interrupted,
not
been
able
to
give
an
answer.
So
In
fairness.
If
we're
going
to
do
the
back
and
forth
thing,
give
the
minister
an
opportunity
to
answer
the
question.
B
It's
it's
about
trading
information,
and
it's
not
just
for
us
here
in
the
room
it's
for
albertans,
so
I
would
encourage
you
that
to
avoid
you
know,
we've
got
20
some
hours
of
meetings
coming
up
and
I
would
really
I
really
enjoy
the
back
and
forth
much
more
than
the
block
time.
So
I
would
encourage
members
to
at
least
if
you're,
going
to
ask
the
question,
give
the
minister
an
opportunity
to
answer
it
so
that
we
can
avoid
going
into
the
into
the
okay
I.
Guess.
H
J
Thank
you,
Mr
chair
and
thank
you.
Minister
I
think
we'll
continue
to
go
back
and
forth.
J
So
in
your
last
comments
and
to
The
Honorable
member
for
relaxing
and
you've
made
a
comment
about
Shortline
rail
in
the
relation
to
when
we
were
in
government
now.
I
just
want
to
remind
you
that
the
40
mile
rail
actually
became
operating
in
2016
when
the
NDP
were
in
government.
G
So
again,
we're
working
on
policy
work
to
make
sure
that,
whether
there's
there's
existing
operators
within
Alberta
or
our
new
industry
entrance
that
want
to
actually
come
into
Alberta
it's
it's
something
that
we
obviously
want
to
have
less
trucks
on
the
road
where
we
can
to
have
more
Short
Line
rail.
G
So
it
is
something
that
we're
we're
working
with
with
the
industry,
we're
working
with
the
Department
to
make
sure
that
we
can
have
a
competitive
process
or
a
competitive
industry,
so
that,
as
as
mentioned
as
the
member
from
lexan
Parkland
mentioned
in
the
Parliamentary
secretary
for
economic
Corridor
has
said,
Saskatchewan
has
has
done
a
lot
of
work
in
the
past
to
make
sure
that
they
can
try.
If
a
class
one
Railway
does
shut
down
its
its
service
or
moves
away
from
its
rail
bed
that
that
is
being
picked
up
by
short
lines.
G
So
I
think
that
is
something
that
we
want
to
to
make
sure
that
that
type
of
of
change
can
can
be
here
as
well.
Well,.
J
Thank
you,
minister.
So
clearly
it
has
not.
There's
been
no
new
Short
Lane
developed
under
your
current
government.
Now
there
is
an
issue,
a
concern:
that's
been
an
alliance,
that's
been
developed
in
Northern
Alberta,
the
community
rail
advocacy
Alliance.
The
current
members
of
that
Alliance
are
Grand,
Prairie,
Alberta,
wheat,
Alberta,
barley,
Alberta,
forestry,
peace
region,
Economic,
Development,
Northern,
Transportation,
advisory
Council
and
the
central
Alberta
economic
committee
now
part
of
their
role.
J
Is
that
they're
trying
to
encourage
the
federal
government,
because
I
appreciate
that
the
barriers
that
are
being
faced
primarily
are
in
federal
jurisdiction
around
the
barriers
that
are
impacting
the
northern
economic
potential
for
export,
but
also
the
economic
opportunities
for
expansion?
My
understanding
is
that
you
are
probably
aware
of
this
advocacy,
Alliance
and
I'm
wondering
what
role
the
province
is
taking
in
supporting
the
work
that
they're
doing
to
try
to
work
on
some
of
those
strategies
that
they've
identified.
B
F
Thank
you.
Chair
would
like
to
go
back
and
forth
with
the
minister
and
thank
you
Minister
for
being
with
us
today
in
the
committee
today
and
I
appreciate
your
efforts
and
the
good
works
been
done
in
the
ministry
minister
in
online
5.6
page
227
of
the
estimates
we
see
that
213
million
is
being
committed
to
Edmonton.
F
Lrt
projects
presents
a
massive
from
117.1
million.
There
had
been
allocated
the
previous
year,
not
only
that,
but
funding
for
categories
LRT
project
is
also
increasing.
42
percent
from
88.6
million
to
125.6
million
as
Emily
for
Calgary
East
I
know
that
both
of
these
projects
are
extremely
important.
Is
they
provide
more
and
more
calories
and
and
montonians
with
access
to
Affordable
public
transit?
G
Great
great
question,
and
as
you
mentioned
and
as
in
these
estimates,
the
provincial
commitment
of
1.47
billion
towards
Edmonton
LRT
projects
and
1.5
billion
towards
Calgary
LRT
projects
and
I
know
that
wouldn't
reflect
their
their
standings
in
the
NHL
if
these
were
Edmonton
Oilers
versus
the
Flames.
But
there
is
more
funding
for
Calgary
on
this,
but
it's
as
a
province
when
it
comes
to
LRT
projects.
We
we're
the
funders.
So
this
the
City
of
Calgary,
the
city
of
Edmonton.
G
You
know
we
work
with
them
to
help
ridership
studies
and
planning,
but
they
they're
in
the
driver's
seat
of
these
projects,
and
actually
you
know
kudos
to
the
city
of
Edmonton
for
their
P3
project
that
actually
had
some
some
construction
issues
and
because
it
was
a
P3.
Actually,
the
the
contract
themselves
bore
those
costs
base
construction
work
on
the
Valley
Line
in
Edmonton,
otherwise
that
would
have
been
borne
by
by
taxpayers
so
that
the
city
of
Edmonton
City
Calgary.
G
G
Essentially,
on
time
and
on
budget
is,
is
something
that
that
we
that
we
look
at
I
know
when
it
when
it
comes
to
Calgary
the
the
commitment
that
we
gave
was
was
a
long
long
time
ago,
but
it
is
something
that
we're
seeing
some
some
initial
dirt
work
happen
now
and
so
we're
we're
hopeful
that
we'll
see,
completion
done
soon
and
and
with
Edmonton
as
well.
You'll
you'll
see
the
expansion
of
the
LRT
system.
G
It's
been
quite
extensive,
and
so
we
always
we
always
look
at
on
time
and
on
budget
as
a
great
great
barometer
of
how
successful
a
Project's
been.
F
Transported
Network
in
order
management
infrastructure
should
be
maintained
effectively
in
responsibility
to
ensure
long-term
sustainability
and
affordability.
Albertans
are
proud
of
the
conditions
of
their
roles,
and
they
have
also
noticed
neglect
in
the
care
of
certain
highways,
and,
if
please
Please
Mr,
can
you
can
tell
us
how
the
budget
will
maintain
a
sustainable,
Transportation,
Network.
G
Alberta
we
we
have
the
the
most
amount
of
payment
per
people
and
per
kilometer
31
400
kilometers
of
Highways
over
4
800
Bridges
within
within
the
province
and
yeah.
The
budget
2023
does
have
1.7
billion
dollars
over
three
years
for
Capital
maintenance
and
renewal,
and
specifically
just
for
for
this
year
alone.
For
this
budget
a
year
alone
is
727
million.
G
So
again,
as
I
mentioned
before,
there's
a
22
increase
from
from
historical
averages,
but
it
is
something
that
we're
trying
to
trying
to
catch
up,
trying
to
make
sure
that
our
road
network
is
in
good
condition.
So
people
can
drive
to
drive
home
and
drive
to
work
safely
and
at
the
end
of
the
day,
we
can
take
proud
pride
in
a
fantastic
asset
that
we
have
here
in
Alberta,
which
is
our
road
Network.
F
G
So
we
we
are
working
on
the
existing
686
Road
as
well
to
be
able
to
expand
that
that
the
funding
is
is
actually
in
the
budget
already,
but
the
the
total
218
kilometer
link
between
Fort
McMurray
and
to
the
the
Eastern
Southern
eastern
part
of
province,
a
great
economic
Corridor
project.
Obviously
it
takes
work
with
with
First,
Nations
and
and
counties
within
that
area
to
make
sure
we
find
the
right
route,
but
it's
not
just
even
of
an
economic
Corridor
argument.
G
The
the
images
of
the
Fort
McMurray
fire
to
be
able
to
have
another
Escape
Route
out
of
out
of
Fort,
McMurray
and
communities
in
Northern
Alberta
is
is
important
not
just
because
we
have
trillions
of
dollars
worth
of
resources
up
in
Northern
Alberta
that
we
need
to
get
to
Market,
but
because
we
have
families
up
there
and
we
need
to
make
sure
that
they
can
be
evacuated
safely
and
get
home
safely.
D
Mr,
chair
I'll
be
really
quick,
as
Calgary
MLA
I'm
keenly
interested
in
what
the
plans
are
for
Deerfoot
Trail.
It
is
an
incredibly
busy
Corridor
not
only
for
goods
and
services,
but
as
a
huge
people
mover
in
the
City
of
Calgary
and
I'd
like
to
know
what
what
the
ministry
is
planning
to
do
with
Deerfoot
to
improve
it.
G
Yeah,
so
so
a
lot
eventually
for
Deerfield
is
actually
the
first
announcement
we
made
was
the
bottom
seven
kilometers
of
Deerfoot
within
the
City
of
Calgary
is
is
getting
improved.
G
That's
would
be
seven
new
Bridges
about
seven
kilometer
stretch
of
road
which
is
going
to
start
this
this
spring,
so
obviously
180
000
Vehicles
a
day
going
up
and
down
Deerfoot
in
Calgary,
it's
the
busiest
road
we
have
and
to
make
sure
that
we
can
grow
and
expand.
G
The
deer
foot
is
is
important
in
addition
to
the
the
Calgary
Ring
Road,
which
eventually
will
be
built
or
fully
completed
by
2024
of
next
year,
but
over
about
two
billion
dollars
of
Investments
and
capital
planning,
investment
from
Transportation
economic
corridors
alone
going
into
Calgary
and
the
Deerfoot
and
LRT,
and
the
Ring
Road
are
the
three
big
massive
projects
going
into
Calgary.
D
It's
that's
great
news.
Minister
I
also
just
want
to
have
you
turn
to
page
227
line
6.2.
It
refers
to
the
water
for
Life
program
and
that
line
item
we're
seeing
a
300
percent
increase
69.3
and
it
is
for
the
water
of
the
water
for
Life
program.
Can
you
just
for
the
benefit
of
the
viewers?
Just
let
everybody
know
what
that
is
all
about
and
also
explain,
please,
the
300
percent.
Incredibly
huge
increase
on
that
line.
Item
yeah.
G
So
the
the
300
increase
is
aligned
with
anticipated
cash
flow
requirements
from
this
program,
so
municipalities
for
their
their
water
infrastructure
projects,
the
the
department
receives
seven
applications
requesting
75
million
in
in
funding
and
overall,
the
the
water
for
Life
program
is
to
help
Wastewater
commissions
and
and
and
other
and
communities
to
be
able
to
tie
into
Regional
water
networks.
So
it
really
does
have
the
cost
savings
effect,
and
this
is
essentially
trying
to
catch
up
with
with
pent-up
demand
that
has
been
growing
across
the
province.
G
And
so
that's
why
we
saw
the
the
increase
in
that
granting
program.
D
Thanks
for
that
information,
I'm
getting
new
on
the
same
topic,
I
think
see
my
time
to
MLA
or
okay.
E
Thank
you.
Well
we're
going
to
be
real,
quick
here
to
get
going,
but
yeah
Municipal,
Water,
Wastewater
partnership.
I,
do
have
a
couple
questions.
There
is
this
funding
it's
139
of
the
business
plan.
Is
this
funding
put
out
through
grants
and
if
so,
is
there
a
backlog
for
those
and
particularly
I,
raise
that
because
I
know
the
building
of
Alex
has
tried
a
couple
of
times
to
get
their
Wastewater
puns.
Upgraded
engineering
reports
have
indicated
that
it's
leaking
it's
over
full,
it's
close
to
bursting.
I
Actually,
my
question
is
going
to
be
pretty
specific
here:
Minister
as
a
North
Edmonton
MLA,
one
of
the
organizations
there
is
the
North
Edmonton
Business
Association,
of
which
the
town
of
Gibbons
is
actually
a
member,
and
so
my
question
of
course,
would
fall
under
the
estimates
on
page
226
under
section
9,
provincial
Highway
construction
projects,
specifically
28a
I,
know
the
town
of
Gibbons
has
been
advocating
for
this
for
years
to
have
the
highway
twinned.
I
It's
a
16
kilometer
stretch
from
the
Manning
Freeway
to
the
town
of
Gibbons
and
of
course
there
is
the
bit
of
the
spin-off
highway
there
of
643,
which
heads
to
the
Redwater
plant.
That's
out
there
they've
asked
for
years
for
this
highway
to
be
twinned.
It's
actually
slowing
down
their
ability
to
develop
their
Industrial
Area
there
and
so
I'm
wondering
if,
in
the
budget,
there
is
some
money
for
that
project
to
to
get
started.
If
so,
what's
the
status
on
it
and
why
the
completion
date.
G
This
unfortunately
falls
into
that
category
of
a
twinning
project
that
isn't
in
this
Capital
plan,
but
but
hopefully
but
but
hopefully
going
forward.
We
can
make
sure
that
it
becomes
a
priority,
but
not
at
this.
B
H
Mr,
chair
and
minister
in
the
interest
of
time,
I'll
brief
with
my
question
but
wait:
I
do
have
four
or
five
quick
issues.
I
want
to
get
on
the
record.
I
think
that
you
will
be
interested
in
doing
so
as
well,
so
if
we
could
respond
quickly
back
and
forth,
that
would
be
good.
H
So,
minister,
with
respect
to
bath,
Town
site
and
traffic
in
Vamp
federal
government
recently
banned
some
traffic
going
up
to
Major
bound
attractions
via
private
vehicle
traffic
and
in
the
interest
of
of
Public
Safety.
Your
business
plan
outcome
to
emphasize
this
traffic
safety
promotion
on
page
142..
So,
but
in
response
to
that,
the
minister
of
forestry
parks
and
tourism
opposed
this.
This
ban
on
private
vehicle
traffic.
No,
on
that
roadway,
the
traffic
was
Bumper
to
Bumper,
as
you
well
know,
and
it
was.
It
was
banned.
H
So
I'm
wondering
if
indeed
you
have
been
in
touch
with
the
your
federal
counterparts
to
look
at
solutions
to
profit,
vehicle
vehicle
or
traffic
in
the
town
of
Banff,
as
well
as
major
Park
attractions,
so
that
the
economic
capacity
of
the
town
and
and
at
the
park
is,
is
not
diminished.
By
the
traffic
jams
that
people
are
seeing
on
a
regular
basis,
so
what
conversations
have
you
had
with
respect
to
diminishing
the
the
traffic
problems
that
we
see
in
Vamp,
town
and
and
attractions,
and
what
Solutions
are
you
looking
at
I
know?
H
There's
been
many
solutions
that
have
brought
forward
whether
it
involved
potentially
bus
or
rail.
Where
are
you
on
listed
in
a
short
answer?
If
you.
G
H
Road,
okay,
so
no
discussions
that
you've
had
with
the
federal
government,
then,
with
respect
to
the
matter
all
right.
Thank
you
for
that.
We'll
move
on
something
that
I
think
all
members
will
be
very
interested
in
is,
of
course,
safety
of
a
roads
in
the
wintertime.
We
all
know
that
we
suffer
the
loss
of
a
colleague
memory,
Manny
Fuller
a
few
years
ago
on
icy
winter
roads
being
a
contributing
factor.
I
know
a
constituent
of
mine.
H
The
sonogani
teacher
up
in
cadot
Lake
died
as
a
result
of
a
single
vehicle
accident
on
icy
roads.
So
all
albertans,
you
know,
fear,
and
we
fear
for
each
other,
as
we
drive
our
Alberta
highways
in
in
wintertime,
and
there
have
been
some
solutions
that
have
been
brought
forward.
No
pun
intended
regarding
liquid
products
that
are
sprayed
onto
roadways
like
liquid,
calcium
chloride
or
phosphate
chloride,
and
in
some
places,
they're
still
used
right
now,
I
believe
on
our
Ring
Road,
which
are
provincial
highway.
H
There
are
some
of
the
contractors
will
use
a
spray
on
chloride,
based
solution
and
I'm
wondering
if
indeed,
we're
really
studying
this
well,
because
if
indeed
the
solution
is
put
on,
it's
successful,
the
roads
don't
get
actually
in
the
first
place.
So
albertans
are
looking
towards
much
safer
roads,
particularly
as
we
become
more
accustomed
to
possibility
possibility
of
autonomous
vehicles
and
the
like
on
our
highways.
What
Investments
your
business
plan
they'll
come
to
page
142,
safe
road
surfaces.
G
We
we
are
open
to
new
technologies.
We
we
constantly
look
at
you,
know
best
practices
and
and
what
works
of
you
know
in
other
jurisdictions
and
then
even
tested
on
our
own
roads.
Unfortunately,
there
there
isn't
a
one-size-fits
all
because,
depending
on
the
Rope,
depending
on
the
weather,
condition
what
you
put
on
it
won't
necessarily
work.
So
example,
if
you
sand
a
road
that
you
would
just
normally
just
plow
and
it's
extremely
windy
conditions,
the
sand
just
blows
the
road.
G
So
it
is
something
that
you
know
whether
it's
liquids
or
certain
types
of
products
we
we
constantly
are
looking
at
how
we
can
be
Innovative
and
use
new
new
technologies.
Obviously
there's
a
balance
of
cost
versus
acceptable
level
of
service,
but
we
want
to
make
sure
that
that
all
roads
are
are
safe
going
forward,
but
we
also
want
to
make
sure
that
the
practices
that
we're
using
to
try
to
make
inclement
bad
winter
weather
that
make
sure
that
our
roads
are
as
safe
as
possible.
Oh.
H
You're
so
good
Mr
chair
through
you
with
respect
to
safe
driving
conditions
and
working
conditions
for
commercial
drivers.
Since
the
implementation
of
the
mandatory
electronic
logging
devices
for
commercial
drivers
Minister.
What
data
can
the
department
point
to
to
demonstrate
that
the
goal
of
improved
driver
working
conditions
and
Public
Safety
have
improved
as
a
direct
result.
G
G
We
are
currently
reviewing
that
question
to
see
to
see
if
there's
any
changes
that
we
need
to
make
that
ultimately
make
the
road
safe,
but
also
realize
and
understand
the
realities
of
our
Trucking
industry
and
the
needs
of
our
Trucking
industry,
because
sometimes,
if
you're
stuck
or
if
you're,
in
a
long
distance-
and
you
have
nowhere
to
go
but
you're
timed
out.
H
All
right,
maybe
a
bit
longer
question,
because
there
have
been
a
number
of
High-Speed
Rail
proposals
brought
forward
and
I've
seen
a
couple
of
them
in
some
detail
and
I'm
sure
your
ministry
has
been
received
and
has
met
with
some
of
the
proponents
for
High-Speed
Rail,
particularly
between
Edmonton
and
Calgary,
there's
a
number
of
different
technologies
that
are
being
suggested,
and
you
know
all
of
them
suggest
that
they're,
viable
and
economically
feasible
and
so
forth.
H
I'd
like
to
hear
from
you
what
plans
your
ministry
is
favoring,
if,
indeed
you
are
at
that
point
yet
and
where
are
you
at
with
respect
to
support
in
any
budgetary
way
for
High-Speed
Rail
connections
between
Edmonton
and
Calgary
in
particular,
and
some
have
even
said,
Banff
Canmore
Calgary
as
well.
Please
comment
on
any
Financial
commitments
that
you've
been
asked
to
make
or
that
you
contemplate
making
in
this
budget
with
respect
to
High-Speed
Rail
proposals.
G
Sure
there
are
two
proponents:
transpod
and
prairielink
have
proposed
projects
to
build
at
high
speed
transportation
system
between
Calgary
and
Edmonton,
and
prairielink
is
a
partnership
between
Ellis,
Dawn
and
aimcon
as
proposing
to
build
a
High-Speed
Rail
between
Calgary,
Edmonton
and
transpod
is
a
Canadian.
Startup
company
based
in
Toronto
is
focused
on
commercializing
ultra
high
speed
tube
transportation
system
that
we
put
forward.
So
these
are
not
government
of
Alberta
projects.
G
We
are
currently
working
with
both
companies
on
the
the
feasibility
studies
that
that
they've
and
the
feasibility
assessments
that
they've
put
in
to
be
able
to
to
have
these
these
two
projects
going
forward
and
the
the
biggest
thing
that
they've
asked
for
us
is
essentially
the
the
right-of-way,
obviously
being
a
major
issue
of
where
exactly
it
could
be
built,
and
so
that's
something
that
we're
still
it's
early
early
days,
trying
to
figure
out
what
is
how
best
these
projects,
if
they
are,
are
feasible
and
and
profitable
to
go
forward
how
best
we
can
partner
as
a
province
with
them.
G
B
E
Thank
you
so
go
back
to
the
Municipal
Water
Wastewater
partnership
program.
Is
this
all
funded
through
grants?
Is
there
a
backlog
and
can
you
make
any
comment
on
on
the
Alex
pawns?
That
engineering
has
said
are
at
risk.
G
I
I
save
my
notes
from
your
question,
so
I'm
glad
you
got
some
time
back.
Yeah
budget
2023
includes
211
million
over
three
years
for
the
water
Wastewater
program,
and
that
is
120
million
dollars
of
new
funding.
So
that's
40
million
additional
every
year
on
top
of
the
existing
program.
So
we
want
it.
That's
again,
just
trying
to
catch
up
with
backlog.
There's
there's
a
greater
backlog
even
than
that
to
try
to
catch
up
with
demand,
but
we
are.
E
And
lastly,
on
the
First
Nations
water
tie-in
program,
there
are
concerns
with
the
water
commissions
that
that
some
of
them
tie
into
fear
of
of
well.
Clearly,
the
federal
government
has
has
been
negligent
in
delivering
services
to
First
Nations
until
they
get
forced
to
by
the
courts.
But
but
the
water
commissions
are
concerned
about
fear
of
downloading
risk
of
non-payment.
E
Treaty
rights
are
the
water
commissions
going
to
be
saved
whole
in
these
situations
where,
where
really
these
are
treaty
obligations?.
G
Yeah
you're
absolutely
right
and
the
110
million
for
the
First
Nation
water
time
program
where,
since
the
province
would
bring
any
water
or
any
pipeline
to
to
to
reserve
and
then
from
there
the
federal
government
to
to
buy
in
and
to
help
build
infrastructure,
but
yeah.
It's
something
that
we
to
your
point.
It
obviously
Federal
responsibility
as
well.
We
want
to
work
with
the
federal
government
ongoing
to
see
how
we
can
better
integrate
because
of
the
14
First
Nations
that
that
are
involved
in
our
provincial
program.
G
E
Okay,
thank
you
well,
six
seconds
left
but
I
think
that's
it
for
me.
B
Oh
come
on,
you
can
try
harder
than
that.
I
apologize
for
the
interruption,
but
I
must
advise
the
committee
that
the
time
allotted
for
consideration
of
the
ministry's
estimates
has
concluded.
I
would
like
to
remind
committee
members
that
we
are
scheduled
to
meet
this
very
afternoon
at
3
30
to
consider
the
estimates
of
the
Ministry
of
Agriculture
and
irrigation.
Thank
you.
Everyone
for
your
participation.
This
meeting
is
adjourned.