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I'd
like
to
call
the
meeting
to
order
and
welcome
everyone
in
attendance.
The
committee
has
under
consideration
the
estimates
of
the
Ministry
of
Agriculture
and
irrigation
for
the
fiscal
year.
Ending
March
31st
2024.
I'd.
Ask
if
we
go
around
the
table
and
have
members
introduce
themselves
for
the
record
Minister.
Please
introduce
the
officials
who
are
joining
you
at
the
table
when
we
get
to
you.
My
name
is
David
Hansen
I'm,
the
MLA
for
Bonneville
Cold,
Lake,
St,
Paul
and
chair
of
this
committee
and
we'll
begin
starting
on
my
right.
I
Good
afternoon,
minister
of
Agriculture
Nate
Horner
at
the
table
with
me
to
my
left,
I
have
Daryl
K
the
CEO
of
afsc
right
beside
me
here
to
my
left.
I
have
Jason
Hale
the
deputy
minister
of
Agriculture
and
irrigation
to
my
right.
I
have
Daryl
dankos
assistant,
Deputy,
Minister
financial
services
and
Senior
financial
officer
and
to
his
right
John,
Conrad
assistant,
Deputy,
Minister
primary.
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B
Thank
you
I'd
like
to
note
the
following
substitutions
for
the
record
honorable
Darren
billis
for
honorable
Richard,
feyen
and
Mr
billis
is
sitting
as
Deputy
chair
a
few
housekeeping
items
to
address
before
we
turn
to
the
business
at
hand.
Please
note
that
the
microphones
are
operated
by
Hansard
staff
committee.
Proceedings
are
live
streamed
on
the
internet
and
broadcast
on
assembly
Alberta
assembly
TV,
the
audio
and
video
stream
and
transcripts
of
meetings
can
be
accessed
via
the
Legislative
Assembly
website.
B
Please
set
your
cell
phones
and
other
devices
to
silent
for
the
duration
of
the
meeting
honorable
members.
The
standing
order
set
out
the
process
for
consideration
of
the
main
estimates.
A
total
of
three
hours
has
been
scheduled
for
consideration
of
the
estimates
for
the
Ministry
of
Agriculture
and
irrigation
standing
order.
59.01-6
establishes
the
speaking
rotation
and
speaking
times.
In
brief,
the
minister
or
member
of
the
executive
Council,
acting
on
The
Minister's
behalf
we'll
have
10
minutes
to
address
the
committee
at
the
conclusion
of
The
Minister's
comments.
B
A
60-minute
speaking
block
for
the
official
opposition
begins,
followed
by
a
20-minute
speaking
block
for
independent
members.
If
any
and
then
a
20-minute
speaking
block
for
the
government
caucus
individuals
may
only
speak
for
up
to
10
minutes
at
a
time,
but
speaking
times
may
be
combined
between
the
member
and
the
minister
after
the
speaking
times
will
follow
the
same
rotation
of
the
official
opposition,
independent
member
and
the
government
caucus
the
member
and
the
minister
May
each
speak
once
for
a
maximum
of
five
minutes,
or
these
times
may
be
combined
making
it
a
10-minute
block.
B
If
members
have
any
questions
regarding
speaking
times
or
the
rotation,
please
send
an
email
or
message
the
committee
clerk
about
the
process
with
the
concurrence
of
the
committee
I
will
call
a
five-minute
break
near
the
midpoint
of
the
meeting.
However,
the
three
three
hour
clock
will
continue
to
run.
Does
anyone
have
any
opposition
to
taking
a
break
at
CNN?
We
will
announce
that
shortly.
B
Ministry
officials
may
be
present
and
at
the
discretion
of
the
minister,
May
address
the
committee
Ministry
officials
seated
in
the
gallery,
if
called
upon,
have
access
to
a
microphone
in
the
gallery
area
and
are
asked
to
please
introduce
themselves
for
the
record
prior
to
commenting
pages
are
available
to
deliver
notes
or
other
materials
between
the
gallery
and
the
table.
Attendees
in
the
gallery
may
not
approach
the
table.
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B
If
debate
is
exhausted
prior
to
three
hours,
the
ministry's
estimates
are
deemed
to
have
been
considered
for
the
time
allotted
in
the
schedule,
and
the
committee
will
adjourn.
Points
of
order
will
be
dealt
with
as
they
arise
in
individual
speaking
times
will
be
paused.
However,
the
speaking
block
time
and
the
overall
three-hour
meeting
clock
will
continue
to
run
any
written
material
provided
in
response
to
questions
raised
during
the
main
estimate
should
be
tabled
by
the
minister
in
the
assembly
for
the
benefit
of
all
members.
B
The
vote
on
the
estimates
and
amendments
will
occur
in
Committee
of
Supply.
On
March
16
2023.
amendments
must
be
in
writing
and
approved
by
parliamentary
Council
prior
to
the
meeting
at
which
they
are
to
be
moved.
The
original
amendment
is
to
be
deposited
with
the
committee
clerk
with
20
hard
copies.
An
electronic
version
of
the
signed
original
should
be
provided
to
the
committee
clerk
for
distribution
to
committee
members.
I
Awesome,
thank
you,
chair,
I'm,
pleased
to
be
here
and
to
have
this
opportunity
to
introduce
Ministry
Representatives,
some
who
I
just
did
but
I'm
going
to
do
it
again
quickly,
who
have
joined
me
here
today
at
the
table.
One
more
time:
Jason
Hale,
my
Deputy
Minister
Daryl
dankaus,
my
assistant
Deputy
minister
of
financial
services
and
Senior
Financial
Officer
Daryl
K,
the
Chief
Executive
Officer
of
afsc
and
John
Conrad.
The
assistant
Deputy
minister
of
primary
agriculture.
I
I,
would
also
like
to
to
make
note
of
the
other
Ministry
staff,
Ministry
and
Department
staff
that
are
in
attendance,
Karen,
Ronco
assistant,
Deputy,
Minister,
trade
investment
and
food
safety,
Shireen
call
communications,
director,
Miranda,
sinusi,
Chief
of
Staff
Deputy
Minister's
office,
Jake,
kotowicz,
executive
director
policy,
Services
planning
and
Innovation
Leah
Sheffield
executive
director
trade
investment,
food
safety,
Steve
lappen,
the
CFO
for
afsc
and
from
The
Minister's
office,
Tim
Schultz,
my
chief
of
staff,
Michaela
Jansen,
our
policy
advisor
Mackenzie
Blythe,
our
press
secretary,
Jamie,
Vermeer
ministerial
assistant.
Thank
you
all
for
being
here.
I
Budget
2023
recognizes
that
agriculture
in
rural
Alberta
will
continue
to
be
a
driving
force
in
our
economy.
This
budget
secures
Alberta's
future
by
investing
in
sustainable
growth,
diversification
and
innovation
in
the
agriculture
sector
in
rural
economy.
I
With
this
in
mind,
my
Ministries
operating
budget,
including
agriculture,
Financial,
Services,
Corporation
or
afsc,
is
increasing
by
103.6
million
to
803.5
million.
This
will
allow
us
to
continue
providing
programs
and
services
to
attract
Investments,
expand
trade
and
create
jobs
in
our
AG
Industries
in
rural
communities.
There's
also
a
10.2
million
dollar
increase
in
New
Capital
grant
funding
approved
in
budget
23,
which
means
we
have
a
total
of
53.6
million
for
new
and
existing
infrastructure
projects.
I
That's
the
big
picture
now
I'm
going
to
review
some
highlights
and
share
details
in
key
areas.
Alberta's
producers
rely
on
agriculture,
Financial
Services,
Corporation,
raf's
afsc
for
financial
and
Risk
Management
Solutions.
That's
why
in
budget
23,
my
department
provides
approximately
an
addition,
an
additional
174
million
to
afsc
we're,
making
sure
our
farmers
and
ranchers
will
continue
to
have
access
to
Insurance
income,
stabilization
and
lending
programs.
They
can
depend
on
during
the
2021
growing
season,
producers
experienced
significant
crop
losses
due
to
drought
and
afsc's
business
risk
management
programs
offered
much
needed
financial
support.
I
2021
Indemnity
payouts
were
the
highest
in
afsc's
80-year
history.
By
comparison,
the
2022
crop
yields
were
above
the
5
and
10
year
averages
across
the
province.
However,
even
with
a
return
to
more
normal
yields,
last
year,
crop
insurance
payments
have
exceeded
the
premiums
collected
for
the
following
reasons.
I
There
were
fluctuations
in
yields
due
to
a
cool
dry
spring
overall,
low
soil,
moisture
and
variable
rainfall
throughout
the
province
there
were
severe,
hail
storms
in
areas
with
higher
value
crops
resulting
in
higher
payouts
and
Rising
commodity
prices
between
spring
and
fall.
2022
triggered
the
variable
price
benefit
and
contributed
to
Insurance
losses.
I
Since
the
spring
of
2021,
crop
prices
have
escalated
by
57
percent
Rising
commodity
prices
have
had
a
significant
impact
on
premiums
resulting
in
High
coverage
amounts
on
high
value
crops,
which
means
afsc.
Insurance
has
kept
pace
to
make
sure
Alberta's
producers
have
peace
of
mind,
no
matter
what
Mother
Nature
throws
at
them.
Over
the
past
two
years,
total
insured
crop
coverage
across
Alberta
has
increased
from
approximately
4.8
billion
to
almost
10
billion.
I
Needless
to
say,
this
has
impacted
premiums,
while
premiums
are
increasing
rate.
Stability
is
important
to
producers
and
to
our
government.
There
are
caps
in
place
to
limit
year-over-year
increases
and
help
maintain
program,
predictability
and
affordability,
including
a
10
percent
premium
rate
cap
afsc
forecasts
premiums
in
the
fall
for
the
next
crop
year,
then
the
actual
Insurance
price
is
set
in
February
according
to
the
commodity
prices.
At
the
time.
I
I
So
when
the
next
drought
or
massive
hail
storm
strikes,
there
will
be
appropriate
funding
Support
over
its
producers
during
challenging
times
in
budget
23,
where
boosting
Alberta's
advantage
through
a
new
Agri
processing
investment
tax
credit.
Our
goal
is
to
have
the
most
effective
toolkit
to
attract
large-scale,
Investments
and
grow.
Our
agri-food
industry
to
be
eligible
corporations
must
make
a
minimum
capital
investment
of
10
million
in
value-added
Agri
processing
in
this
province.
I
I
My
Ministry
is
also
key
in
government's
priority
on
Rural
Economic
Development.
Keep
the
momentum
going
and
provide
rural
albertans
with
more
economic
opportunities
where
they
live.
Budget
23
allocates
4.6
million
in
new
funding
from
Agriculture
and
irrigation
to
implement
the
economic
development
in
rural
Alberta
plan
that
we
announced
late
last
year.
I
I
I
When
it
comes
to
managing
and
maintaining
provincial
Water
Management
infrastructure,
we
are
taking
a
whole
government
approach,
so
the
AG
industry,
municipalities
and
Industrial
users
have
a
safe,
reliable
water
supply.
Budget
23
maintains
20.8
million
for
my
department
to
operate
Alberta's
Water
Management
infrastructure.
I
It
also
provides
5
million
in
capital
funding
to
assess
the
feasibility
of
building
the
airmore
dam
and
reservoir
on
the
Bow
River
to
improve
Water
Management
in
the
South
Saskatchewan
River
Basin
now
I'd
like
to
highlight
our
ongoing
support
for
agricultural
societies.
We
understand
the
rising
costs,
have
put
pressure
on
their
volunteer-driven
organizations.
Budget
23
maintains
11.5
million
in
stable
funding
for
the
agricultural
societies
grant
program.
I
Budget
23
also
provides
an
additional
2.5
million
in
New
Capital
grant
funding
to
support
AG
Societies
in
maintaining
upgrading
and
renovating
facilities
they
operate.
We
also
recognize
that
Rising
costs,
emerging
pests
and
increased
workloads
have
put
pressure
on
agricultural
service
boards
or
asbs.
We
appreciate
that
asbs
are
key
Partners
in
pests
and
weed
surveillance,
helping
to
maintain
assurance
and
Market
access
for
our
AG
products.
Budget
23
supports
the
important
work
they
do
by
performing
providing
11.9
million,
which
is
a
3
million
dollar
increase.
I
Pardon
me
results
driven
agriculture
research
to
enhance
our
37
million
annual
commitment
budget
23
allocates
1.5
million
more
each
year
to
a
total
of
38.5
million
between
now
and
2026
to
provide
more
stable
resources
for
our
agriculture
research
associations.
This
funding
will
help
ensure
AG
research
reflects
what
farmers
are
facing
in
the
fields
while
the
AG
industry
gets
the
most
for
its
investments.
In
summary,
budget
23
will
secure
the
province's
future
by
driving
sustainable
Economic,
Development
and
diversification
in
the
AG
sector
in
rural
Alberta.
I
B
Thank
you,
Minister
and
just
like
to
take
this
opportunity
to
welcome
Emily,
Van,
Dyken
and
Emily
Isaac
to
the
committee
room
for
the
hour
that
follows
members
of
the
official
opposition
and
the
minister
may
speak
honorable
members
you'll
be
able
to
see
the
timer
for
the
speaking
block,
both
in
the
committee
room
and
on
Microsoft
teams.
Members.
Would
you
like
to
combine
your
time
with
the
minister
if
the
minister
is
in
agreement.
J
Oh
thank
you
Mr,
chair
and
just
before
I
start
I
do
want
to
thank
the
ministry
for
the
lovely
note
that
they
put
out
today
recognizing
that
there
are
18.5
000
female
Farm
operators
in
Alberta
and
32
percent
of
the
Pharma
population
is
women.
So
on
International
women's
day,
it's
nice
to
see
the
ministry
recognizing
all
of
the
great
women
that
are
working
in
the
sector.
J
So
let's
just
get
the
afsc
stuff
out
of
the
way,
and
then
we
can
talk
about
some
fun
stuff.
I
recognize
that
it's
been
a
couple
of
days
of
of
trying
to
clarify
communication.
I
think
this
is
the
best
way
that
we
can
do
that.
So,
minister,
do
you
want
to
walk
through
the
liability
of
the
crop
insurance
program
as
it
sits
today
and
let's
start
there
and
then
kind
of
work
our
way
back
as
to
why
it
is
that
it's
going
the
way
that
it's
going.
I
J
I
No
well
I
will
give
you
my
very
best
answer
and
if
it's
not
good
enough,
I'll
lean
on
Mr
K
to
supplement,
but
so
overall
in
the
program
and
I
think
where
the
confusion
started.
With
the
the
fiscal
plan
was
it,
it
was
speaking
about
a
premium
increase
that
was
in
aggregate
over
two
years,
so
the
majority
of
that
increase
occurred
last
year,
so
where
we,
where
we
sit
now
and
we're
expecting-
and
this
is
still
a
budgeted
estimate
in
average
premium
increases
of
22
percent
so
that
that
is,
that
is
accurate.
J
J
So,
as
it
says,
in
the
fiscal
panel,
the
agriculture
insurance
premium
rate
increases
60
percent
to
raise
the
crop,
Insurance
Fund
balance
back
to
the
level
recommended
for
the
actuals,
and
then
we
see
the
breakdown
of
the
numbers
of
the
estimates
which
again
I
think
the
confusion
is,
is
that
if
we
look
at
the
formula,
it
still
is
a
significant
increase,
it's
a
60
increase
either
way.
I
A
J
A
J
J
K
K
Supplement
go
ahead.
Sure,
okay,
thank
you
for
the
question.
Thank
you,
Minister,
really.
What
we're?
What
we're
talking
about
our
budget
over
budget
comparisons
and
I?
Think
it's
important
to
remember
when
we
prepare
a
budget,
it's
often
in
August
September,
for
the
following
crop
year.
We
have
limited
information.
K
We
are
trying
to
predict
future
prices,
future
rates,
we're
trying
to
predict
how
the
crop
you're
all
finished,
and
so
what
happened
when
we
prepared
the
previous
budget
is
that
commodity
prices
jumped
significantly
by
the
time
when
we
prepared
the
budget
and
and
compared
to
the
actual
premiums
we
set
in
the
following
spring.
So
if
you
look
at
a
budget
over
budget
comparison,
you'll
see
that
60
increase
really
what
what
actually
happened
for
producers
is
something
different.
When
we
went
into
the
2022
crop
year,
they
saw
much
of
that
increase
in
that
first
year.
K
What
they're
going
to
see
as
they
move
into
this
next
crop
here
is
more
in
that
20
22
percent
range
and
that's
the
actual
premium
that
they
will
see
and
it's
obviously
very
dependent
on
approved,
sir,
what
crop
makes
they
they
go
with.
It'll
depend
on
their
individual
experience,
but
it's
going
to
be
much
lower
than
that
60.
We
expect
it
to
be
in
that
20
to
22
percent
range
for
an
average
producer.
K
The
budget
really
the
issue
is
around
last
year's
budget
number.
It
was
set
too
low
because
the
commodity
prices
moved,
and
so
really,
if
you,
if
you
look
in
even
in
the
in
the
business
plan,
you'll
see
an
increase
in
the
contingency
from
this
year
that
picked
up
that
difference,
so
producers
again
are
going
to
see
a
22
increase.
The
challenge
is
the
timing
around.
When
we
prepare
budget
we're
trying
to
predict
future
commodity
prices
and
premiums.
J
So
then,
I
guess
just
because
and
I
appreciate
that
it
gets
a
little
bit
confusing.
Is
that
so
the
commodity,
the
variable
rate
of
the
commodity,
jumped
significantly
halfway
through
the
year.
So
I
appreciate
that,
like
the
numbers
were
very
impressive,
given
the
Dynamics
that
were
happening
at
the
time
with
Ukraine
and
all
of
the
things.
So
then
we
had
some
impact
around
having
to
have
to
pay
out
the
hail,
as,
as
the
minister
spoke
to
significant
impacts
around
having
to
have
to
pay
out
the
fund.
J
Can
you
explain
to
me
where
we're
at
right
now,
then
with
the
fund?
And
if
there's
going
to
be
a
potential
increase,
that's
going
to
be
required
because
at
some
point
the
fund
has
to
be
made.
Whole
right.
I
mean.
That
was
why
it
was
so
flush
in
2021.,
so
I'm
just
curious
as
to
where,
from
from
a
from
a
projection
perspective,
removing
the
commodity
pricing
right
because
we
get
that
is
going
to
happen.
J
There
are
still
variables
that
are
stagnant,
which
is
there's
amount
of
money
in
the
fund,
and
then
that
fund
has
to
be
paid
out
if
insurance
has
to
be
paid
out.
So
what
does
afsc
consider
to
be
a
good
number
to
feel
like
we're
going
to
be
whole?
If
we
ever
like,
let's
say
this
spring
or
summer-
hopefully
not,
but
if
we
have
another
hail
storm
or
something
were
to
happen.
I
Yeah
no
great
question,
and
so
the
the
way
afsc
looks
at
this.
The
fund
is
considered
stable
if
it
has
about
one
and
a
half
times
the
premium
pool,
so
we're
well
below
that
right
now,
as
it
sits
right
now,
we
have
about
just
under
300
million
in
the
fund
last
year.
Coming
into
it,
we
had
600
million
or
inner
enter
enter
around
there.
So
the
way,
the
way
it's
going
to
get
back
to
a
stable
number,
it's
going
to
take
time.
I
So
the
the
deal
with
the
premium
rate
cap
at
10
percent,
that
is,
the
growth
driver
for
the
fund.
It's
the
only
growth
driver
in
the
fund
and
that
might
not
sound
like
enough,
but
that's
the
beauty
of
having
a
not-for-profit
Insurance
corporate
setup,
Corporation
they're,
looking
at
this
over
25
years,
so
they're
willing
to
let
it
take
time
so
on.
J
J
J
A
I
But
I
think
I
think
the
way
it
was
described
to
me
when
I
asked
afsc
management
when
I
asked
those
that
were
here.
That
was
also
seen
as
an
unprecedented
time,
because
the
fund
had
four
times
the
premium
pool
in
it.
So
conversations
began
with
the
federal
government.
But
what
should
we
do
here?
Because
affordability
for
our
Farmers
was
still
you
know
a
Hot
Topic,
so
when,
when
they
talk
to
the
feds,
the
feds
had
to
give
full
approval
for
that
to
be
given
back
because
it
goes
back
the
same
way.
A
I
And
just
I
would
I
would
also
just
say
so
they-
and
these
were
the
producer
dollars
that
went
back
to
the
producer.
J
Right
because
part
of
the
concern
is,
is
that
in
21,
right
before
we
were
going
into
what
ended
up
being
a
major
climate
change
event,
there
was
warnings
provided
to
the
government
that
rebating
the
the
20
at
that
time
was
probably
not
the
best
idea,
given
the
projection
of
we're
gonna
get
one
of
these
events
happening
very
quickly,
so
if
it
was
four
times
the
fund
in
2021,
and
so
that
would
have
been
if
I
look
at
that.
J
J
J
A
A
I
J
I
It
would
be
on
the
36,
24
40
composition,
so
36
percent
of
the
feds
24
to
the
province
and
40
from
the
producer.
Sorry,
it
also
had
I
should
mention
the
benefit.
The
benefits
of
that
of
going
that
route
to
to
the
producer
was
the
amount
of
new
uptake.
We
had
right
before
the.
J
J
J
So
is
that
so
a
percentage
went
back
to
the
province
in
2021,
which,
basically,
they
didn't
necessarily
have
to
pay,
or
they
used
that
money
to
pay
into
the
fund
to
protect
the
upcoming
year.
No
different
than
you're
saying
right
now
that
you're
investing
sorry
I
took
notes.
While
you
were
speaking
60
saying
60.
A
J
I
J
Okay,
so
I
guess
the
next
part
of
the
conversation
then
is
is:
how
are
we
communicating
and
working
with
producers
to
understand
that
there
is
still
a
significant
liability
and
I
call
it
a
liability,
because,
let's
say
if
we
have
another
event,
this
Summer,
that
fund
will
go
into
a
negative.
If
we
have
to
pay
it
out
right,
it
doesn't
have
enough
in
the
fund,
potentially
that
it
could.
J
J
A
J
J
You
yeah
so
I
think
we
figured
out
crop,
22
percent
is
the
actual
to
the
producer.
The
rest
is
the
remaining
for
between
the
share
of
the
fed
and
the
provincial
governments
for
a
total
of
a
60
increase.
Overall.
Can
we
talk
about
the
rest
of
the
brns
and
how
our
other?
Oh.
I
And
then
just
just
for
color,
if
you'd
indulge
me
just
for
an
example,
so
the
22
percent
is
a
budgeted
average.
So
there
will
be
differences
across
the
province
but,
for
example
with
afsc's
health
here
in
Westlock.
Maybe
listen
to
this
remember
Van
Dyke
heads.
I
A
mixed,
a
mixed
Farm
of
2,
800,
acres
and
I,
don't
know
the
actual
composition
of
wheat
barley.
Canola
premium
before
would
have
been
67
000
premium
Now.
Seventy
four
thousand
two
percent
in
Statler
in
my
riding
2100
Acre
Farm,
forty
seven
thousand
and
fifty
six
thousand
or
nineteen
point.
Six
percent
increase,
Strathmore
1750,
Acre,
Farm,
89,
000
to
112,
000
or
26
percent
increase,
so
the
22
is
is
an
average.
But
it's
it
will
be
different
for
every
farmer
and
different
the
different
risk
ratings
across
the
province
and
the.
J
J
J
It's
in
everybody's
best
interest
to
do
that.
Let's
talk
about
livestock
sector
a
little
bit
because
clearly,
as
we
saw
with
crop
being
impacted,
that
has
substantial
impact
on
many
of
the
other
operations
across
the
province,
whether
they
had
access
to
feed
water
security.
Dynamics
like
that,
can
you
maybe
walk
me
through
where
we're
at
from
an
insurance
and
support
level.
When
it
comes
to
our
calf
operations,
our
producers
Etc.
I
Yeah,
it's
a
great
question.
One
I
appreciate
I
know
the
the
beef
industry,
not
the
entire
beef
industry,
but
definitely
the
cow
calf
sub
sector
is
widely
regarded
as
having
the
least
amount
of
relevant
insurance.
I
One
thing
that
that
we
do
have-
and
it's
had
limited
uptake
and
terrible
uptake
last
year-
is
the
LPI
the
livestock
price
Insurance
it
is.
It
is
currently
unsubsidized.
I
Many
in
the
beef
industry
would
like
to
see
it
look
a
lot
more
like
crop
insurance.
As
of
right
now,
Saskatchewan
and
Alberta.
We
we've
added
advocated
with
the
feds
fairly
aggressively,
to
consider
that
the
feds
I
would
say
have
made
this
a
hill
to
die
on
that.
They
do
not
want
to
consider
that
they're
using
a
trade
implications
and
the
fact
that
it
would
air
legal
team's
opinion
move.
I
Factors
but
I
think
the
real
reason
is
that
Ontario
and
Quebec
have
a
fairly
substantial
programs
within
the
province
that
right
now,
they're
funding
solely
and
if
the
feds
were
to
move
in
this
direction.
They
know
that
they
would
have
to
pick
up
the
cost
of
Ontario
and
Quebec's
programming.
But
I
should
say
of
note.
I
The
livestock
price,
insurance
or
lpib
is
is
being
used,
the
feedlot
sectors
being
LD,
is
it
more
effectively
than
the
cow
calf?
But,
interestingly
right
now,
my
Deputy
Minister
was
just
looking
at
it.
I
I
So
that's
1884
ahead
for
October,
which
for
for
those
of
us
that
were
aware
of
the
pricing
last
year,
that
would
be
about
a
500
head
increase,
but
that's
that's
where
the
market
is
it's
at
historic
highs
now
and
projected
to
move
further
back
to
your
main
question.
Well,
what
else
are
we
doing
a
lot
of
the
fpt
conversations
with
the
feds
also
centered
around
trying
to
improve
AG
stability?
The
idea
that
adds
stability
could
be
made
to
work
for
the
cow
calf
sector,
so
we.
A
I
Made
some
improvements,
I
know,
I
know
you
were
an
advocate
for
increasing
the
compensation
rate
from
70
to
80
percent.
I
Did
that
so
that
will
become
active
in
the
new
s-cap
program,
starting
in
April
they're,
also
doing
quite
a
few
things
to
make
it
more
transparent.
Parent
move,
move
more
quickly,
they're
trying
to
cut
some
red
tape.
I
They've
done
a
lot
of
stuff
online
to
allow,
for
you
know
your
your
accountants
and
financial
agents
to
upload
upload
data
online
to
hopefully
speed
up
the
process,
so
those
those
things
are
being
done
and
then
and
in
addition
to
that,
our
team
behind
the
scenes
that
does
the
the
brm
Suites
and
the
fpt
negotiations,
along
with
every
other
Province
and
the
FEDS,
are
continue
to
work
towards
a
revenue
based
or
margin-based
insurance
program.
I
That's
that's
kind
of
the
big
dream
that
something
could
be
created
that
would
would
work
I'm,
I'm
a
little
skeptical,
because
I
think
if
it
was
easy,
it
would
have
been
done,
but
I
appreciate
the
the
work.
The
work
definitely
continues.
I
think
more
likely
would
be
to
change
the
eligibility
some
of
the
eligibility
eligible
expenses
in
egg
stability
to
fit
better
with
a
cow
calf
operation
as
opposed
to
a
feedlot.
You
don't
you
know
it's
mostly
mom
and
pop
family
labor.
J
Yeah
and
I
think
I
agree
that
the
the
concern
that
I
have
and
I
appreciate,
you
know
the
feedlots
are
set
up
in
a
way
that
they
are
is
that
when
we
look
at
the
Cow
calf
operation-
and
we
look
at
you-
know
the
call
that
had
to
happen
during
the
droughts,
we
are
now
rebuilding
in
North
America,
we're
also
potentially
rebuilding
in
Australia
and
there's
definitely
impacts
that
are
happening
around
the
rebuilding
of
the
herd
and
I'm
hearing
from
producers
who
are
saying
you
know
it's
getting
to
the
point
where
it's
so
expensive
and
I
don't
know
if
the
insurance
is
going
to
cover
my
costs.
J
If
something
were
to
happen
to
me
that
I
want
to
go
that
it
almost
makes
sense
for
us
to
go
to
feedlot
right,
like
like
they're
worried
that
feedlots
are
going
to
take
over
the
family.
Family
operation
is
some
of
their
concerns,
and
so
I
guess
I'm
I'm
curious
as
to
if
there's
a
strategy
by
The
Province
around
the
cow
calf
operations
and
if
there's
strategies
or
policies
or
anything
I
know,
there
was
supposed
to
be
a
beef
study
that
was
going
to
come
out,
but
it
was
supposed
to
be
out
last
week.
J
It
hasn't
come
out
yet,
but
if
there's
like
are,
are
there
things
that
we're
doing
to
help
support
the
local
family
cow
calf,
so
that
we're
not
in
a
place
where
all
of
a
sudden
we're
all
big
feedlots
like
there's
nothing
wrong
with
feedlots?
We
need
the
meat,
but
I
just
want
to
make
sure.
We
also
keep
our
family
farms.
I
No
I
very
much
appreciate
this
line
of
questioning
it's
very,
very
close
to
home,
but
I'd
say
we're
not
rebuilding
yet
the
but
that'll
be
hopeful
with
historic
pricing,
but
historic
pricing
will
will
help
in
that
regard.
That's
the
cycle
we
have
to
have
to
get
through
yeah
the
the
USDA
cattle
inventory
numbers.
This
is
the
smallest.
The
motherhood's
been
in
the
U.S
since
1962
when
the
population.
I
I
Right
now,
there's
some
say:
there's
some
private
markets
that
are
doing
some
neat
things
with
psychological
goods
and
services
and
putting
value
on
biodiversity
and
protecting
the
grasslands,
but
we're
losing
you
know,
I.
Think
I,
think
the
number
I
remember
from
this
summer
was
across
the
Western
province
is
about
147
000
Acres
a
year.
I
Some
of
that's
that's
turned
over
grass
to
Farmland
and
urban
sprawl,
but
I
think
until
until
you
put
that
value
on
or
the
price
of
cattle
comes
more
in
line
with
the
opportunities
in
farming.
You
know
it's
since
canola's
taken
off
it's
it's
been
20
years
in
One,
Direction,
okay,
so
so
high
prices
will
will
help
a
lot
of
this.
The
feds
are
trying
should
give
them
some
some
credit
for
the
off
calf
program.
I
A
Rel
program,
that's
built
within
our
s-cap,
our
s-cap
funding
is,
is
also
supposed
to
help
in
that
regard.
I
I
Seating
programs
to
help
with
that
the
beef
competitiveness
study
you
mentioned
it
was
supposed
to
be
out
on
the
third.
It
will
now
be
on
the
10th
I
believe,
and
there
is
some
things
in
there
that
can
help
I'd
say,
namely
it
really
validates
our
concerns
around
specified
risk
materials.
I
So
if
you
talk
to
some
of
our
processors,
they
they
will
tell
you
and
processors
that
do
business
in
both
Canada
and
the
US.
They'll
say
right
now,
we're
at
about
a
45
to
80
dollar
per
head
in
American
dollar
disadvantage,
processing
cattle.
So
when
you,
when
you
think
about
the
amount
of
cattle
that
are
processed
in
this
province
alone
a
day,
you
know
our
two
big
guys
are
able
forty
five
hundred
and
four
thousand
respectively.
So
it's
a
it's
a
big.
It's
a
big
number.
J
I
This
this
goes
back
to
BS.
After
after
we
have
BSC,
special
protocols
were
brought
in,
so
the
the
risk
materials
are
at
the
base
of
the
brain,
the
spine
gotcha
yeah.
So
they
not
only
have
to
remove
them
and
cut
the
meat
beside
the
specified
rice
materials
a
certain
way,
but
then
they
have
to
incinerate
the
the
actual
wrist
materials.
I
Also
in
the
beef
competitive
study,
the
the
other
thing
that
I
am
excited
about
other
than
you
know
also
validating.
Our
labor
concerns
is
the
the
idea
of
of
a
conversation
around
Box
Beef
reporting.
Again.
This
is
something
that's
brought
up
a
lot
hoping
it
might
lead
to
more
more
transparency,
because
we
have
such
a
Consolidated
big,
two
Packers
in
the
province.
I
guess
so
it
would
be
voluntary,
but
the
concern
has
always
been
that
if,
if
one
of
the
Packers
you
know
puts
their
numbers
in
and
the
other.
I
J
Because
I
think
you
know,
I
don't
disagree
with
you.
This.
That
is
I.
Think
one
of
the
the
major
issues
I
appreciate
the
value
her
head
was
going
up
and
and
I've
spoken
to
producers
about
how
that's
happening,
and
then
it
becomes
two
conversations.
One
is
the
values
going
up,
which
means
the
value
is
going
to
go
up
throughout
the
whole
supply
chain,
and
what
does
that
mean
for
consumers?
And
how
do
we
address
the
affordability
of
making
sure
that
people
still
want
to
buy
a
good
Alberta
beef?
J
If,
if
we
have
to
keep
it
manageable
and
the
affordability
has
to
happen,
and
then,
of
course
also
just
recognizing
that
when
the
dollar
per
head
wasn't
going
up
the
value
of
the
product
and
the
grocery
store
still
was,
and
why
is
it
that
it's
not
the
trickle
down
right
like?
Why
are
producers
not
getting
the
value
when
it
continuously
keeps
going
up
so
I
I,
look
forward
to
reading
the
study
and
and
working
with
you
if
there's
ways
that
I
can
help
around?
J
I
No,
it's
it's
a
very
complicated
system
like
with
cfia
being
so
involved
in
our
in
our
federally
inspected
plants.
A
lot
of
the
the
control
and
levers
aren't
really
in
the
province's
hands,
but
the
the
onus
is
so
high
on
those
fairly
inspected
facilities.
I
That
I
would
say
that
that
is,
that
is
a
barrier
to
a
lot
of
the
new
new
entrants
that
want
to
add
to
our
hook,
space
or
our
processing
capacity
other
than
the
you
know,
the
labor
labor
challenges,
but
right
now
you
know
with
the
herd
size
where
it's
at
you
know
we're
probably
in
a
place
where,
where
you
know,
we
need
to
focus
on
the
processing
that
we
have
ensure
that
it
stays
here.
I
Our
feedlots
are
growing,
which
is,
if
you
talk
to
some
in
the
in
the
sector-
it's
they
would
say
it's
kind
of
confusing
that
it's
not
really
following
the
market
signals,
but
we
continue
to
bring
cattle
in
from
the
U.S
as
well
and
feed
here,
which
you
know
it's
it's
interesting
when
we
had
to
bring
in
all
the
corn
by
rail
that
we
were
bringing
in
the
feed
and
the
cattle
to
a
colder
climate
to
feed
them.
But
our
our
73
dollar
has
a
lot
to
do
with
that
as
well.
J
So
not
to
ignore
I
know:
I
know,
beef
is,
is
your
heart,
but
we
need
to
vote
chickens
so
the
avian
flu
component,
we
had
it
impacts
some
of
our
production.
This
last
year,
I
know
you
did
some
work
on
that
in
regards
to
trying
to
get
I
believe
ever
stability
funding,
maybe
some
other
funding.
Can
you
just
walk
us
through?
J
Are
we
we
doing
well
in
that?
Have
those
premium
have
those
been
paid
out
and
then
are
there
any
other
risk
factors
that
we
need
to
be
mitigating
in
the
process.
I
Intel
Intel,
BC,
caught
up
to
us
and
went
past
us
for
the
most
affected
Province.
We
had
that
that
title
for
a
long
time,
but
yeah
about
1.4
million
Birds
I
believe
somewhere
in
there,
but
yeah
we
were
able
to
Advocate
on
behalf
of
Alberta
Alberta
affected
producers
and
they
extended
the
AG
stability
deadline
twice.
I
believe
why
that's
important
is,
if
you're
from
that
that
Street
and
you're
in
your
in
Supply
management,
a
program
like
eye
stability,
probably
isn't
something
that
you
would
normally
be
in.
I
I
They
have.
They
have
found
a
lot
of
waste
around
prevention,
so
I
think
they
feel
like
they're
in
a
safer
place.
But
that
being
said,
it's
still
getting
into
very
secure
facilities,
so.
J
One
of
the
feedbacks
that
I
had
heard-
and
this
relates
to
any
of
our
barn
animals
livestock-
is
that
Egger
stability
is
not
covering
the
cleaning
components
like
the
sterilization
of
the
barns.
J
So
it'll
it'll
cover
the
loss,
but
not
necessarily
the
other
expensive
component,
which
is
trying
to
have
to
clean
out
those
barns
to
make
sure
that
there's
no
infections,
still
of
it
still
around,
has
there
been
any
conversations
around
trying
to
see
if
there's
an
opportunity
to
expand
that
or
try
to
figure
out
a
way
that
that
some
of
that
financial
assistance,
because
that's
a
pretty
significant
cost
to
producers
if
they
have
to
do
that.
I
Rigs
so
it's
their
it's
their
funding.
We've
brought
it
Forward
where
we
thought
that
from
those
round
tables
they
were
deficient
but
yeah
they
do
pay
for
the
depopulation.
We've
we've
mentioned
that
there's
challenges
in
around
the
value
a
lot
of
it
was
coming
back
to
the
actual
weight
of
the
bird
and
and
where
they
were
in
their
own
life
cycle
to
find
the
value.
I
But
what's
this
tell
me
the
case?
Oh
we
did.
We
did
also
ask
on
their
behalf
for
to
look
into
an
assessment
of
if,
if
all
of
the
criteria
and
the
values
beside
them
were
accurate,
and
then
we
asked
for
an
assessment
on
an
AG
recovery
program
as
well,
that
was
denied,
but.
I
They
are,
they
are
paid
for
a
lot
of
that.
There
were
some
challenges
in
the
beginning.
They
they
had
some
weird
rules
where
you
had
to
you
had
to
hire
it.
It
wasn't
as
easy
for
them
to
do
it
themselves,
then,
once
they
found
that
they
were
getting
behind
I
think
they
made
some
adjustments.
So
okay,
I,
think
I,
think
we're
heading
through
I
should
also
say
you
know:
Alberta,
really
punched
above
its
weight
on
the
testing.
A
I
J
Thank
you,
minister.
So
you
made
a
comment.
Actually
we
were
chatting
a
little
bit
about
calc
around
carbon
and
some
of
the
initiatives
that
are
being
piloted
or
or
explored
ECC.
Being
an
example
of
that,
but
also
the
Western
stockholders
Association
was
looking
at
doing
a
carbon
market
and
they
had
piloted
that
I
believe
in
with
assistance
from
your
ministry.
Is
that
correct?
Was
it
funded
through
you.
J
J
Reason
that
I'm
bringing
it
up
is
that
we're
also
seeing
you
know,
one
of
the
major
input
costs
obviously
was
fertilizer.
J
Some
of
the
pricing
around
fertilizer
has
gone
down,
but
there's
been
some
really
interesting
initiatives
being
taken
by
some
of
the
fertilizer
companies
in
regards
to
creating
carbon
markets
to
try
to
give
that
value
back
to
the
local
producer,
and
so
as
we
look
as
we
move
forward,
I
I'm
curious,
because
that
is
being
done
solely
by
a
fertilizer
company,
it's
not
being
done
by
the
ministry,
but
those
are
initiatives
that
make
sense
that
help
bring
down
some
of
the
input
costs
that
many
of
our
producers
are
facing,
whether
it
comes
to
energy
consumption,
fertilizer
costs,
all
of
those
sorts
of
things,
I'm
wondering
if,
under
you
know
the
scap
program
or
s-cap
I,
don't
think
it's
kind
of
a
weird
yeah.
J
Well,
that's
what
producers
have
said
to
me
as
well.
I,
don't
know
it.
Can
you
explain
to
me
if
any
of
those
initiatives
are
being
adopted
or
or
could
that
funding
be
used
to
look
at
expanding
the
exploration
around
developing
some
of
those
programs.
I
Well,
I
think
it's
all
part
of
a
live
conversation.
You
know,
I
would
say
that
the
producers
that
I
speak
to
you
know
I
think
they
would
rather
see
if,
if
we're
going
to
be
taxed
on
carbon
in
this
country,
that
that
would
be
could
could
be
a
potential
Revenue
stream
as
a
as
opposed
to
rebating,
to
get
away
from
some
of
the
funeral.
I
I
I
J
I
So
we
have
under
under
the
cap
funding
we
have
buckets
of
called
CAP
grants,
I
guess,
for
you,
know,
efficiencies
for
water,
water,
both
for
Drought
mitigation
and
deficiencies
and
irrigation
for
technology
adoption
they
try
to
find
places
where
they
think
it
can
really
make
an
impact
and
won't
be
watered
down.
So
it's
quite
a
ends
to
look
through
when
you're,
creating
that
programming,
but
all
of
those
buckets,
although
they
will
be
tweaked
a
little
bit,
they
should
probably
see
increases
with
this
increase
in
the
cap
as
as
opposed
to
cap.
A
I
I
I
540
grants,
valued
at
55.7
million,
were
approved
for
the
growth
and
value-added
activities.
273
grants,
valued
at
51.8
million,
were
approved
for
the
science
and
research
activities
and
165
grants
value
to
27
million
dollar
supported
activities
that
helped
industry
public,
build
public
Trust.
J
Okay,
but
we
don't
know
a
breakdown
of
how
many
of
those
grants
were
actually
local
production
or
if
it
was
more
through,
like
look
like
I,
would
assume
industry
confidence
would
probably
be
more
of
a
producers
group
than
necessarily
a
local
producer.
I
J
Ultimately,
there
are
strategies
and
policy
levers
that
the
province
can
take
in
regards
to
supporting
local
production
and
being
able
to
bring
some
of
those
input
costs
down
whether
it
look
at
Carbon
markets,
whether
it
looks
at
using
grazing
leases
and
offsets,
whether
it's
supporting
Barn,
upgrading
and
HVAC
systems,
or
looking
at
moving
from
Electric
to
or
from
diesel
to
electric
motors
for
irrigation
canals.
J
There
are
opportunities
there
that
will
help
bring
down
a
variety
of
different
costs
associated
with
the
energy
file
and
and
some
of
the
other
conversations
that
are
happening
in
in
other
areas.
The
supply
chain
issue-
and
we
can
get
into
that
later,
but
I
I
would
be
curious
with
the
amount
of
money
that's
going
out.
I
would
like
to
see
that
going
to
local
producers
right,
like
I,
would
like
to
make
sure
that
that
money
is
actually
doing
the
work
and
making
sure
that
we
are
bringing
down
those
input
costs
so
I
mean
I.
J
I
We're
looking
at
the
the
program
types
under
s-cap,
so
we
have
the
the
on
farm
value
added,
that's
targeted
for
primary
producers.
We
have
the
value
added
piece
which
is
value-added
agriculture,
emerging
opportunities
which
is
value-added
agriculture
and
we're
going
to
have
even
more
of
a
surgical
look
at
value-added
agriculture
with
now
with
bringing
in
the
credit
or
when
we
bring
in,
because
this
will
be
a
big
piece
for
those
value-added
opportunities
that
are
under
the
credit
threshold.
I
The
efficient
grain
handling
is
primary
producers,
the
farm
Technologies
primary
producers,
the
water
bucket,
is
for
primary
producers,
accelerating
agricultural
Innovation
is
sector-wide
and
then
the
Rel
program
that's
coming
in
will
be
primary
producers,
and
so
the
lens
is
the
lens
that
they
look
through
to
get
us
here
is:
where
was
the
most
bang
for
the
buck?
So
the
the
efficient
grain
handling?
They
thought
it
had
a
lot
of
societal
benefits
to
move
that
way
and
the
the
water
efficiency
specifically
with
the
irrigation
dreams
of
the
province.
J
Okay:
let's
talk
about
the
tax
credit
I,
think
it's
it's
something
that
I
strongly
recommend
it's
written
in
my
paper.
I
J
I
J
And
so
a
lot
of
the
comparisons
are
are
between
Saskatchewan,
and
you
know
they
were
able
to
get
crushing
plants
and
many
things
in
Saskatchewan
at
a
much
quicker
level.
Part
of
that
has
to
do
with
red
tape
reduction,
but
the
the
big
part
about
that
is
that
their
thresholds
are
very
different
than
the
threshold
you've
set.
So
under
the
under
your
government
right
now,
it's
a
threshold
of
10
million
dollars
for
12
percent,
correct,
small
and
medium
sized
egg.
J
Producers
are
saying
that's
extremely
high
to
be
able
to
access
and
they're
curious.
If
there's
going
to
be
an
amendment
or
any
type
of
opportunity
fund
under
this
tax
credit
for
smaller
to
medium
size
like
egg
or
food
people
or
looking
at
agritourism
opportunities,
those
sorts
of
things,
because
they
won't
be
able
to
get
to
the
10
million
threshold
to
be
able
to
access
this
12
percent
now.
J
I
I
But
it
well
now
now
that
I'm
talking
because
they're
going
back
going
back
for
it.
The
the
comments,
the
comments
around
the
the
threshold
I
would
just
say
so
for
Saskatchewan,
it's
10
million
threshold
yeah.
That
was
a
large
consideration.
How
we
picked
ours,
so
they
their
threshold
is
10
million
in
eligible
expense.
I
Ours
is
10
million
in
a
capital
investment.
It
doesn't
have
to
be
test
so
that
that
does
help
a
little
bit.
So
if
if
a
project
in
Alberta
is
at
10
and
a
half
million
Capital,
but
it's
only
say
8
million
in
eligible
expense,
it
still
fits
wear
a
wooden
in
Saskatchewan,
so
there
it's
a
little
a
little
a
little
more
flexible
at
that
level
and
I
would
just
say
that
we're
confident
that
by
keeping
that
level
and
using
you
know
in
a
more
focused
way,
some
of
the
other
investment
tools.
I
We
have
like
the
emerging
opportunities
grants
that
are
under
cap
and
the
investment
growth
fund
that
used
to
be
under
J
jobs,
economy,
Northern
development,
but
now
it's
under
trade
in
immigration,
multiculturalism.
I
We
think
that
those
programs
will
get
more
of
that
business
and
and
they're
stackable,
so
I
know
in
the
in
the
in
about
two
years
ago,
when
the
investment
growth
fund
was
rolled
out,
it
was
all
AG
related
Investments
that
were
able
to
to
land
those
a
lot
of
it
was
vertical
farming
farming.
We
we
are
we're
confident
and
but
it's
something
we
will
watch.
J
Thank
you,
Minister
I'm,
actually
going
to
see
if
my
member
from
Beverly
Clearview
wants
to
clarify
some
of
those,
because
he
knows
that
file
quite
well.
Actually,.
C
Yeah
great
thanks,
no
appreciate
that
so
Mr
the
Saskatchewan's
got
the
scale
where
it
scales
up
for
the
larger
projects.
I'm
just
curious
did.
Did
you
feel
that
we
didn't
need
that
for
the
larger
projects
or
that
they
weren't
kicking
tires
here,
or
is
this
more
of
a
trial?
To
start
with,
the
12
percent,
I
mean
I,
appreciate
your
explanation
of
eligible
expenses
versus
just
the
overall
capital.
Investment
I
appreciate
that,
but
why
not
a
growth
or
a
sliding
scale
as
well,
for
the
size
of
an
investment?
No.
I
It's
it's
a
good,
it's
a
good
question
and
it
is
something
we
definitely
looked
at.
You
know:
I
I
thought
you
to
go
into
this
aggressively.
You
know
you
know:
we've
been
through
this
with
treasury
board
for
for
over
a
year,
so
we
we
did.
Our
analysis
treasury
board
did
theirs,
because,
because
of
our
flat
tax
rate,
they
didn't
think
it
was
necessary
and
the
analysis
that
they
did
on
Saskatchewan's
credit.
A
lot
of
that
that
40
percent
sounds
quite
large,
obviously,
but
a
little
a
lot
of
it
I'd
say
is
somewhat
of
a
bluff.
I
It
takes
an
extremely
profitable
company
to
be
able
to
recoup
all
of
those
credits
in
a
10-year
window.
We
have
the
same
window
that
they
do
so
we're
we're
confident
that
the
12
percent
is
is
a
winner
for
us
not
not
even
just
leveling
the
playing
field.
We
think
it's
a
winner
when
you
consider
all
of
our
other
broad
advantages
from
no
sales
tax
to
lower
corporate
tax.
I
It
indulge
me
I
would
also
just
say
that
by
by
treasury
board
Department
officials
math,
they
believed
that
this
will
have
an
eight
percent
return
on
investment.
Even
in
their
early
days
when
and
they
believe
that
it'll
bring
in
about
a
35
or
between
30
and
40
percent,
in
incremental
investment,
so
those
are
those
are
the
assumptions
that
are
baked
into
the
ROI.
C
Yeah
great
thanks
I
mean
we
support
it
again.
I
mean
Heather
talked
about
how
you
know
she
brought
that
forward
to
our
caucus.
That's
something
that
you
know
hindsight's
2020,
I
wish
we
would
have
been
able
to
bring
in
years
ago
just
to
to
really
take
advantage.
C
The
opportunities
that
we
have
and
I
think
value-add
AG
is
is
a
significant
one,
so
appreciate
that
I
probably
will
come
back
too,
because
I
do
want
to
talk
about
the
trade
side,
which
is
what
I'm
very
fascinated
with,
but
before
I
jump
over
there
I'm,
assuming
that
that
your
ministry
works
with
or
or
hopefully,
works
together
with
entities
like
Alberta
innovates,
which
I
get
is,
is
in
a
different
Ministry,
but
I
know
that
Agriculture
and
AC
is
a
priority
of
theirs
as
well
I
mean.
I
Well,
I
I
know
we're
we're
always
in
conversations
with
Alberta
innovates
they'll
they'll,
bring
me
in
and
and
want
to
want
to
show
me
what
they
think
is
is
applicable
to
Tar
file,
but
most
of
it
is
honestly
through
ardar.
Probably
you
know,
artists
artar
is
our
vehicle
to
get
to
get
into
that.
C
Into
that,
so
let's
just
spend
a
couple
minutes
and
talk
about
about
trade,
and
so
in
your
business
plan,
it's
it's
in
1.1
and
we're
Ministry
budget.
It's
it's
about
3.1
and
I'm,
just
curious.
When
I
look
at
the
numbers,
it
looks
like
your
trade
and
investment
or
your
export
and
investment.
3.1
has
gone
down
the
real
number.
The
actuals
were
5.7
this
past
year
and
and
you've
got
a
budgeted
for
5.3
just
curious.
C
I
So
we're
on
page
40
line
3.1.
Is
that
jive
correct
yeah?
So
it's
it's!
A
1.1
million
dollar
increase
from
budget.
That's
for
the
administration
of
the
tax
credit
almost
entirely.
It's
a
million
dollar
increase.
I
The
the
point
the
400
000
are
decreased
from
forecast
yeah
a
one
and
a
half
million
dollar
decrease
in
one
time
transfer
following
the
government
reorg
with
forestry
parks
and
tourism
and
100
100
000
to
address
public
sector
compensation
agreements,
inflationary
pressures.
C
And
this
viewer
yeah
thanks
for
that
clarification,
does
your
ministry,
so
the
Ministry
of
Agriculture
used
to
pay
for
in-market
experts
in
some
of
our
International
offices
and
I'm
just
curious.
If
you
have
any
boots
on
the
ground
that
are
either
egg
right,
you're,
not
forestry,
anymore,
AG,
experts
that
are
in
you
know,
we
used
to
have
them
in
in
China
and
I,
don't
know
if
we
still
do.
I
I
We
still
do
have
any
specific
staff
in
priority
locations.
I
would
say:
Tokyo,
Beijing,
Seoul,
New,
Delhi,
Mexico,
City,
Minneapolis.
C
I
It's
it's
under
intergovernmental.
C
C
So
when
you,
when
you
okay
with
that
yeah,
that's
interesting,
are
there
any
programs
other
than
leveraging,
for
example,
the
export
expansion
program?
That's
in
the
ministry
of
trade
do
do
you
have
any
programs
to
support
any
of
our
AG
producers
accessing
new
markets
like?
Are
there
any
targeted
programs
or
supports
that
come
from
your
ministry?
Well,.
I
A
lot
a
lot
of
it
is
through
the
industry
group,
so
we
are
working
with
the
industry
groups
to
set
targets,
find
new
markets.
You
know
that
working
piece
but
I'd
say
it's
largely
through
them.
C
Okay
and
then
on
on
the
investment
attraction
piece,
can
you
comment
on
on
the
work
that
your
department
is
doing
with
an
entity
like
invest
Alberta?
That
is
obviously
in
Market
looking
at
investment
attraction,
but
when
we're
looking
at
attracting
dollars
into
our
our
AG
sector
and
especially
for
value-add
processing,
is
there
what's
the
relationship
like
well.
I
I'd
say
in
the
early
days,
invest
Alberta,
definitely
leaned
a
lot
on
our
department.
You
know,
there's
a
lot
of
institutional
institutional
knowledge.
We
have
a
lot
of
investment.
Specific
staff
still
still
do
and
still
do
a
great
job.
So
like
like
I
say
we
usually
have
you
know
well
over
100
150
different
different
deals
on
the
deal
tracker
that
the
team's
working
through
and
it
has
to
be
kind
of
an
all
hands
on
deck
concierge
service.
I
So
they
work
closely
with
invest
Alberta
earlier
through
Jai,
but
now
under
Tim
or
trade
immigration,
multiculturalism,
so
they're
they're,
trying
to
communicate
back
and
forth,
find
find
what
incentive
pieces
will
will
work
and
fit
so
yeah
I
think
I,
think
the
communication
is
is
pretty
pretty
seamless
on
our
export
development.
I
C
Do
you
I
mean
my
last
line
of
questioning
on
this,
so
it's
great
that
you're
working
with
the
other
departments
across
Ministry
and
then
also
entities
like
invest
Alberta.
Do
you
do
you
directly
work
with
any
of
the
the
regional
Economic
Development
agencies
that
that
also
do
work
in
the
investment
attraction
space
I
mean
my
brain
and
forgive
me
goes
to
Calgary
economic
development
in
Edmonton
Global,
but
recognizing
you
know
that
there
are
many
Ada's
Economic
Development
agencies
province-wide,
especially
in
rural
Alberta,.
I
Yeah
well
I
know:
we've
had
a
lot
of
conversations
to
try
to
make
sure
that
that
relationship
was
strong
between
invest,
Alberta
and
the
and
the
ritas,
and
there
is
there
is
funding
in
the
in
this
budget
for
the
Rita's.
I
It's
part
of
the
4.6
million
for
the
e-drop
rollout
I
think
900
000
of
that
was
for
the
Rita
top
up
right.
Even
that's,
even
though
they're
not
under
history,
that
was
part
of
the
rural
economic
development
plan
with
York,
so
I
think
yeah.
We
continue
to
to
have
those
those
conversations
or
pardon
me:
825
000,
not
900,
000.,
for
the
readers.
So
we
we
facilitate
where
we
can,
even
though
they're
not
it's
not
in
our
shop,
but
we.
B
Minister,
but
thank
you,
everybody
for
the
very
interesting
conversation
we've
had
so
far.
We'll
now
move
on
to
the
government
caucus
for
20
minutes
of
questions
for
from
the
members.
Would
you
like
to
combine
your
time
with
the
minister
and
then
following
that
20
minutes,
we'll
take
a
quick
break
so
go
ahead,
sir.
G
Thank
you
chair
and
thank
you
Minister
just
before
I
get
started.
I
just
want
to
acknowledge
all
the
hard
work
that
you've
done
on
this
file.
I
think
it's
really
incredibly
important
to
continue
to
build
on
agriculture,
which
is
a
very
important
part
of
our
economy.
Here
in
Alberta,
and
and
even
this
year,
I
had
the
opportunity
being
on
Pandora
to
attend.
G
They
had
their
their
Summit
here
in
Calgary,
and
what
I
thought
was
that
I
wanted
to
share
was
after
meeting
with
Penn
Moore
and
having
a
lot
of
our
U.S
colleagues
come
up.
Food
security,
food
stability
and
food
affordability
was
taught.
This
was
something
that
was
really
front
and
center.
G
So
moving
forward
with
your
Agra
production
tax,
credit
I
think
is
is
incredible
to
bring
that
local
production
home
and
really
it's
it's
a
huge
benefit
both
to
the
economy
and
affordability,
but
ensuring
that
we
provide
that
we
are
in
the
Bread
Basket
here
so
I
think
a
lot.
A
lot
of
people
around
the
globe
are
looking
to
us
to
to
fill
that
void
and
make
sure
that
it's
it's
there
and
stable
I
got
a
few
questions.
G
Kind
of
jumps
around
I
think
I'll
start
a
little
bit
on
on
food
inspection,
which
kind
of
Builds
on
that
food
security
end
of
it.
On
page
19
of
your
business
plan,
you
have
a
key
objective:
3.2
States
the
desire
to
implement
programs
to
mitigate
risks
to
food
safety,
animal
and
human
health,
and
when
I
was
looking
through,
this
I
noticed
on
page
45
of
the
estimates
under
the
line
item
titled
trade
investment,
food
inspection,
I
actually
noticed
a
bit
of
a
reduction
in
funding
compared
to
the
2022-23
forecast.
G
There's
just
a
little
bit
of
a
reduction
there
I'm
just
wondering
if
you
can
kind
of
explain
what
what
that's
due
to
and
and
where
that's
headed.
I
Yeah:
okay,
great
great
question:
thank
you.
Emily
sigurdson,
there
there's
no
decrease
in
the
budget.
I
I
see
okay,
a
2.7
million
dollar
decrease
from
forecast,
that's
what
you'll
be
referring
to
so
2.5
million
of
that
decreases
due
to
funding
obtained
through
Labor
and
immigrations
labor
market
development
agreement
with
the
federal
government
funds
will
be
used
to
provide
grants
to
Industry
to
address
labor
challenges
in
the
agri-food
sector.
I
Grants
will
be
delivered
by
agriculture
for
life,
to
build
awareness
of
agri-food,
related
careers,
support
efforts
to
attract
and
retain
workers
in
rural
Alberta,
but
there's
no
decrease
from
budget.
So,
in
fact,
there's
a
two
million
dollar
increase.
Half
of
the
increase
is
to
support
the
implementation
of
the
Agri
processing.
Credit,
like
the
previous
question
and
half,
is
going
towards
public
sector
compensation
and
inflationary
pressure.
G
G
However,
on
page
41
line
item
33,
the
2023-24
estimate
is
roughly
a
million
dollars
less
so
I
got
just
two
questions
related
to
this.
Can
you
kind
of
explain
how
you're
prioritizing
the
food
and
bio
processing?
Well?
There
is
a
bit
of
a
reduction
in
this
area,
yeah.
I
The
capital
budget
has
been
reduced.
Therefore,
it's
not
required
in
budget
23.,
but
yeah
they're
doing
doing
great.
G
Work
in
just
the
second
question
to
that
I
noticed
no
other
Province
have
a
food
center,
such
as
the
one
in
Leduc.
Just
do
you
think
this
is
something
that
Alberta
continues
to
need.
I
Oh
I
I,
don't
actually
think
that's
accurate
I.
Think
almost
every
Province
does
I
know.
I
know,
BC
doesn't,
but
we've
we've
had
it
since
the
80s
I
believe
and
I.
I
Recently,
just
secured
a
50
million
dollar
investment
I
think
there
was
forgive
me,
I,
probably
have
it
here,
developed
over
78,
new
products
and
they're,
currently
working
with
45
industry
clients
and
not
system
2223.
I
I
Many
many
still
don't
make
it,
but
many
do
so.
I
think
it
has
a
lot
of
value
to
to
to
the
province.
G
G
G
There
is
a
noticeable
increase
of
11.7
million
this
year
compared
to
last
year's
budget,
just
wondering
if
you
can
explain
what
your
intentions
are
for
the
11.7
and
kind
of
what
what
your
plan
is
and
what
this
means
for
the
province
moving
forward.
I
I
Yeah,
the
federal
government
has
increased
its
contribution.
So
then
we
have
to
increase
hours
on.
I
G
I
Yeah,
there's
all
those
buckets
that
we
spoke
about
previously.
You
know
the
the
cap
grants
to
help
producers.
You
know
the
dollars
to
advance
new
new
technologies
to
become
more
efficient
in
Grain
handling
and
and
water
water
use
in
multiple
ways.
Even
our
emerging
opportunities
grants
that
we
focus
on
those
smaller
egg
processing
facilities
that
don't
quite
hit
our
threshold
for
the
upcoming
credit.
So
a
real,
real
gamut
and-
and
the
big
piece
would
be
this
Rel
program,
which
was
definitely
the
the
federal
ministers,
a
big
big
push
of
this
new
funding.
I
Opportunities
would
be
found
that
the
feds
were
looking
for
their
10
to
13,
megatons
or
whatever
their
their
goal
was.
So
that's
that's.
Where
most
of
that
lives
and
yeah
we're
kind
of
excited
to
roll
it
out.
I
know
the
Department's
done
a
lot
of
work
behind
the
scenes
and
I
know.
Industry
groups
are
very
excited
about
what
it'll
mean
for
Alberta.
Specifically,
we
did
get
to
have
our
have
our
one-on-ones
about
building
it,
so
it
works
for
Alberta.
G
B
You
know
maintaining
the
precedent
that
we've
set
so
far
this
year
saved
the
last
20
seconds
for
Mr
Orr.
E
D
Appreciate
it
Minister
and
my
colleague
from
I
would
as
well
so
similar
to
Penn,
where
I
had
a
chance
to
actually
minister
to
sit
on
CSG
for
the
the
National
Conference
and
also
for
the
Midwest,
and
there
I
sit
on
the
energy
subcommittee
and
as
well
as
candidios
relations.
You
know
there
was
a
pervasive
theme
and
I'm
going
to
share
it
with
you,
because
you
know
you
know
those
parts
of
the
country
down
there
very
colorful
sometimes,
and
it
was
a
senator
from
Nebraska.
D
We
were
talking
about
what
was
taking
place
in
the
midwest
aquifer
and
we're
also
talking
about
the
Colorado
River,
and
he
summed
it
up
very
wisely
and
succinctly
saying
that
you
know
going
forward
Whiskey's
for
drink
and
water
is
going
to
be
for
fighting
over.
So,
minister,
with
that
vein
of
thought
and
talking
about
some
of
the
corridors,
Niagara
food
sector
I'd
like
to
kind
of
focus
in
if
we
can,
on
the
latter
part
of
your
ministry,
which
is
literally
irrigation
and
I'm.
D
I
Well,
I'd
save
two,
the
two,
the
two
main
themes
that
would
probably
catch
your
eye
in
this
budget.
As
far
as
new
new
water
security
measures
and
new
new
irrigation
potential
potential
for
new
irrigation
expansion,
so
you're
all
well
versed
in
the
the
historic
agreement
that
we
went
through.
The
933
million
that'll
create
230
000
new
Acres
through
efficiencies,
three
three-way
partnership
with
the
Canadian
infrastructure
bank,
with
nine
of
our
existing
irrigation
districts
and
the
Goa
that
works
well
underway.
There's
about
42
individual
modernization,
projects
of
about
92
that
are
complete.
I
I
I
should
also
mention
they
believe
that
will
create
about
7
300,
direct
and
indirect
permanent
jobs
in
1400
construction
jobs
over
the
course
of
that
construction.
But
I
would
point
to
a
couple
things
in
this
budget.
There's
a
scoping
or
early
feasibility
study
for
an
in-stream,
Reservoir
I.
Think
your
your
comments
about
what
we're
seeing
in
the
southern
us
and
water
security
I
think
that
really
Rings
home
for
a
lot
of
albertans.
I
So
that's
something
that
I
think
many
thought
would
be
maybe
impossible
in
this
province,
but
we're
it's
definitely
not
my
opinion
and
I
think
we
need
to
pursue
those
studies
and
see
what's
possible.
So
the
scoping
study
for
the
air
more
Dam
on
the
bowl
is
in
is
in
the
budget.
It's
a
five
million
dollar
initial
study.
We'll
look
at
you
know
all
the
geotechnical
possibilities,
the
different
locations,
but
it's
about
30
kilometers.
I
South
of
the
bazano
dam
you
know,
would
have
the
potential
maybe
to
walk
back
up
water
right
to
the
gates
of
the
zone.
Now
in
the
department
thought
it
would
be
important
to
to
start
there
if
we
were
going
to
pursue
in-stream
storage,
as
this
has
been
the
the
number
one
priority
project
of
ADA,
the
Alberta
irrigation
districts
Association
they
go
through
with
their
groups
and
and
prioritize
through
some
pretty
strict
criteria.
I
What
they
think
would
have
the
most
most
benefit,
so
it
would
be
six
hundred
thousand
acre
feet
would
definitely
help
with
drought
and
flood
mitigation
controlling
or
apportionment
to
the
to
Saskatchewan,
and
should
bring
a
lot
of
a
lot
of
opportunity.
The
other
thing
I
would
point
to
would
be
the
the
seven
million
mou.
I
Use
priorities
of
these
of
special
areas
in
the
MD
of
Acadia
Valley,
that
seven
million
partnership
is
going
into
a
large
feasibility
study,
it'll
take
probably
still
another
year
and
a
half
to
get
it
to
a
point
where
it's
it's
we
can
deem
if
it's
fundable
or
feasible,
but
very
exciting,
it
would
have
the
potential
to.
I
Control
Alberta
right
before
the
water
leaves
for
Saskatchewan
in
one
of
the
most
dry
area,
arid
areas
in
the
province.
That's
that's
exciting.
It
will
have
have
challenges.
I
think
all
the
early
irrigation
districts
are
where
they
are
for
a
reason,
and
it's
got
a
lot
to
do
with
gravity
and
elevation,
but
quit
quit.
Looking
so
I
think
that's
that's
very
exciting,
but
it
will
that
will
take
a
year
and
a
half
to
complete.
D
Appreciate
it,
mister
and
you've
probably
answered
a
couple
of
my
other
questions
here
going
ahead.
So
obviously
you
know
this
file
inside
open
backwards
and
where
I'd
be
leaning
on
it.
So
if
I
do
repeat
myself
a
little
bit,
you've
already
mentioned,
one
of
these
I
just
didn't
want
to
miss
it
for
approach
edification
as
well,
so
under
outcome,
two
page
18,
the
business
plan
we're
talking
about
13.5
million
allocated
towards
the
irrigation
rehabilitation
program,
and
it's
also
going
to
use
the
the
water
use,
efficiency
so
two-part
question
on
that
one.
D
I
I
It
was.
It
was
down
to
12
million
14
and
a
30
going
back
decades,
but
it's
a
very
important
program
and
I'd
say
even
though
you
know
we
have
this
exciting
relationship
with
nine
of
the
irrigation
districts
currently
on
on
the
the
mansion
with
CIB.
This
program
is
important
because
not
not
all
of
the
districts
are
participating
in
that.
So
that's
that's
one.
I
So
it's
it's
one
of
the
the
real
good
ways
in
a
leveraged
way
to
help
ensure
that
our
current
infrastructure
is
kept
up.
So
we
don't
look
like
Montana.
D
Yeah
point
taken
on
that
worked
on
both
sides
of
the
Border
there,
as
well,
so
also
The,
Milk
River
down
the
area
is
critical
as
well
when
we're
looking
at
water,
so
I
really
get
that.
That
comment
and.
I
D
Yeah
and
I
think
the
other
one
too.
There
was
a
gentleman
met
recently
from
those
Special
Districts
down
there,
and
he
said
you
know
all
the
easy
areas
have
already
been
done
so.
Hence
you
know
why
you're
looking
at
these
Capital
programs
and
why
you're
looking
at
I
would
assume
as
well.
Some
of
the
non-conventional
items
looking
at
water
usage
well
gone
are
the
days
when
you
can
just
dig
a
ditch
and
have
in
the
canal
you're
looking
at
pipe.
You
had
mentioned
ipex
as
an
example
for
that
as
well
and
I.
D
Think
that
was
well
worth
a
note
because
that's
we're
seeing
similarities
now
in
the
States.
From
those
other
discussions,
you
know
in
Texas,
they're
they're,
using
a
ton
of
pipe
as
well
that's
produced
also
in
Alberta
moving
down
there,
so
I
think
that's
very
spot
on
and
I
want
to
make
sure
at
least
I
leave,
my
colleague
Emily
or
at
least
30
seconds.
So
I
want
to
take
one
more
question
here.
D
So
if
we're
talking
about
the
agriculture
Building
Homes
are
developing
our
natural
resources
and
page
19
of
the
business
plan,
it
has
25.8
million
going
towards
the
Water
Management
infrastructure
in
23-24.
Can
the
minister
provide
us
with
a
breakdown
of
the
operating
and
capital
expenses
on
those.
D
It
has
a
25.8
million
dollar
Water,
Management
infrastructure
and
in
this
in
this
budget
year,
and
it
was
just
even
if
you
want
to
give
us
kind
of
an
overview
in
the
operating
Capital
plan,
what
the
intent
is
and
where
it's
going.
I
120
I'd
say
operations
and
maintenance
on
the
water
and
that's
about
it.
We
don't
control
any
of
the
licensing
or
permitting
that
is
all
still
environment
protected
areas,
but
on
the
on
the
25.8
million
yeah,
it's.
A
I
Part
part
of
the
change
in
that
is
there
a
change
in
that
number.
Is
that
you
quoted
so
so
some
some
of
this.
Some
of
this
infrastructure
generates
Revenue
okay.
So
it's
a
change
in
the
electricity
price
that
comes
comes
into
the
government
pays
we
put
back
into
our
indoor
five
million
dollar
change.
D
Okay,
no
that's
great
and
with
24
seconds,
we'll
see
the
rest
of
my
time
command
later.
E
I
do
want
to
talk
about
research,
so
I'll
get
the
question
in.
So
you
have
time
to
figure
out
the
answer
later:
38
million
38.5
million
for
results
driven
agriculture,
page
17,
is
a
business.
J
B
B
A
A
B
From
the
official
opposition
followed
by
five
minutes
response
from
the
minister,
but
my
understanding
is
we'll
be
going
back
and
forth
as
usual.
So
member
Suite,
if
you
want
to
start
hammering
out
those
questions,
let's
go
well.
J
I
think
we're
going
to
go
back
and
forth.
Maybe
someone
else
can
jump
in,
but
I
did
actually
want
to
talk
about
the
importance
of
ardar,
but
I
would
really
like
us
to
be
able
to
get
into
a
dialogue
around
it.
So
my
hope
is:
is
that
we'll
be
able
to
do
that
now.
J
Yeah
late,
okay!
So
so,
if
we
could
just
because
it's
my
time
right
now,
looking
at
ardar
and
the
fact
that
there
has
been
substantial,
increasing
given
to
the
new
budget
within
ardar
and
some
of
the
feedback
that
we
had
is
that
it's
great
that
there's
research
happening
and
that
that's
important
work.
J
That
needs
to
happen,
especially
as
we're
looking
towards
climate
change
strategies
and
recognizing
that
there's
different
mandates
coming
down
in
regards
to
how
we
address
climate
and
then,
of
course,
the
connection
to
Insurance
programs
and
whether
or
not
you're
eligible
if
you
are
able
to
access
so
I,
think
having
ardar
around
to
be
able
to
support.
Some
of
that
work
is
fine.
The
increase,
though,
I'm
a
little
bit
curious
as
to
what
the
intent
of
the
increase
is.
I
It's
a
good,
it's
a
good
question,
you're
going
to
steal
and
yours,
Thunder,
I,
think
I
think
he
was
going,
but
yeah
so
37
million
over
10
years.
That's
the
original
ardar
commitment,
yeah
yeah
I'd,
say
something
that
we
we
heard
loud
and
clear
in
change
over
to
the
the
ardar
model,
with
our
AG
research
was
that
the
Aras,
the
applied
research
associations
felt
like
there
was
a
gap
and
they
felt
a
little
left
out.
I
I
What
I
determined
in
the
end
after
some
good
advice,
was
that
we
needed
a
little
more
funding
for
the
airas
are
a
stable
funding
to
help
with
more
operational
costs
and
rely
on
them
really
to
fill
in
some
of
the
some
of
the
needs
around
extension
and
considering
their
Geographic
nature
spread
around
the
province
for
different
reasons.
J
Okay,
that's
that's
good
I
mean
I,
think
looking
at
like
Farm,
smarter
and
all
those
guys
and
some
of
the
work
that's
going
done
in
that
small
research
component
plus
the
extension
is
very
important.
J
So
there's
12.-
and
this
is
mostly
on
extension
services-
is
this
going
like?
Is
that
going
to
be
the
goal?
Is
that
this?
They
will
be
the
delivery
of
the
extension
services
happening
through
R&R.
I
Well
I'd
say:
that's:
that's
like
the
Gap.
We
thought
we
were
helping
with
this
money,
but
they
do
much
more
than
extension.
They
do
and
there's
still
a
large.
You
know
they're
a
big
recipient
of
RDR
grants
so
that
that
part
of
it's
working
well,
so
they
and
I
think
they
would
say
that.
But
our
RDR
specific
mandate
is
around
project
Project
funding,
as
opposed
to
operational.
I
J
And
I
I
appreciate
that
they
did
I
mean
so
what
was
happening?
I
mean
to
have
a
fun
conversation
about
this.
That
I
that
I
was
hearing
is
that
we
had
310
Farm
call
that
if
you
need
support
well,
then
310
farm
would
tell
people
will
go
to
the
ARA
in
your
local
community,
because
they're
dealing
with
the
exact
issue
in
your
local
community,
they
know
what's
going
on
and
then
they
were
expected
to
expand
or
to
provide
the
extension
services.
J
So
I
I'm
happy
to
hear
that
they're
going
to
be
getting
funding
to
be
able
to
do
the
extension
services.
My
concern,
though,
is
that
it
can't
just
be
the
Aras,
because
they
were
already
saying
that
they
were
already
getting
those
calls,
and
it
was
a
lot
of
work.
They
didn't
necessarily
have
the
staff
on
site.
They.
There
are
some
of
them
that
are
agronomists,
but
not
all
of
them
are
agronomists
like
there
was
a
lot
of.
There
was
a.
There
was
a
high
expectation
for
that
work.
To
be
done.
J
Ardar
significance
receives
a
significant
amount
of
funding
for
research.
I
get
that
to
add
1.5
million
for
for
12
organizations
to
do
extension
services
and
not
have
an
expectation
that
ardar
also
do
extension.
Services,
I
think
I'm
a
little
concerned
with
there's
a
significant
amount
of
funding
going
out
for
research
without
a
follow-up
on
extension
services
that
isn't
mandated
by
the
non-profit
Aras,
because
they're
really
not
like
they're
doing
other
things
too
right
for.
J
J
Okay
but
I
think
to
say
egg
Services
boards
are
to
do
extension
services,
that's
not
their
role
to
say
the
ra
should
be
doing
the
extension
services.
They
can
do
a
part
of
it,
but
there
does
need
to
be
some
funding
assistance,
whether
it's
through
ardar
or
whether
some
of
that
grant
money
or
the
expectations
that
there's
an
extension
attached
to
some
of
the
ardar
funding.
I,
don't
think,
is
unrealistic.
I
mean
they're
getting
all
these
dollars
to
do
it.
It
has
to
get
to
the
producers.
That's
the
whole
point.
I
Them
to
do
it
we're
not
creating
a
gap,
we're
we're
expecting
that
between
the
AG
service
boards,
the
Aras
and
our
industry
groups
who
are
compiling
a
lot
of
this
data
and
need
getting
it
to
ardar.
11
million
dollars
went
out
to
the
to
the
areas
through
r
r
last
year
in
specific
funding,
the
areas
are
a
major
player
in
what
artists
facilitating
it's
going
to
require
more
industry-led.
That
was
part
of
the
whole
point
of
this
we're
not
going
to
have
Goa
hot
wearing
extension
services.
J
I
I
J
Moving
on
then
from
ardar
I
just
want
to
highlight
under
egg
society's
infrastructure
funding
on
page
106
of
the
capital
plan,
you
have
eight
million
dollars
over
three
years
on
page
116
of
the
agriculture
Society
infrastructure,
revitalization,
on
page
116
in
the
cat.
In
sorry,
page
116
and
government
estimates.
A
J
It
can't
be
government
estimates,
my
apologies,
the
capital
plan
in
page
116,
which
is
part
of
the
fiscal
plan.
You
have
nine
million
dollars.
So
in
page
106
the
capital
plan
is
eight
and
then
on
page
116,
it's
3
million
over
three
years
and
then
it
says
equals
eight,
but
they
don't
that
math
doesn't
actually
add
up.
I
I
want
to
do
that.
Well,
while
we're
finding
I'd,
say
yeah,
it's
a
two
and
a
half
million
dollar
program
for
the
exercises.
It's
it's
for
infrastructure
revitalization.
This
is
something
I've
heard
about
since
I
got
the
Alberta's
in
a
unique
place
where
so
much
infrastructure
is
owned
by
AG
societies.
I
They
are
major
recipients
and
a
lot
of
on
culture,
but
we
thought
that
this
would
also
help.
It
will
be
a
cost
shared
program
as
well.
Okay,.
J
I
B
We'll
now
move
over
to
the
government
caucus
for
a
10
minute
rotation,
I,
believe
Mr
Orr
you've
got
10
minutes
more.
E
Than
20
seconds,
thank
you.
So,
let's
pick
up
on
that,
a
little
bit,
I
I'm
not
going
to
repeat,
and
thanks
to
minister
opposite
member
opposite
it
is
the
subject.
I
was
going
to
address
a
little
bit
and
I'm,
not
going
to
repeat
that,
but
but
maybe
just
to
zero
in
a
little
bit
more
on
it.
E
The
results
driven
agriculture
research
was
was
meant
to
be
results,
driven,
farmer-led
and
so
I'm,
just
wondering
if
you
can
share
for
some
of
the
success
stories
and
the
challenges
I
mean
we're
at
the
two-year
anniversary
of
that.
Really,
how
has
it
has
it
actually
worked
out
the
way
it
was
envisioned
to
be
as
originally
rolled
out
and
then
yeah
you've
sort
of
addressed.
E
The
extension
piece
I
I
too,
have
heard
that
some
of
the
farmers
are
are
feeling
like
they're
they're,
receiving
less
support
through
that,
but
I
think
you've
addressed
that.
So
maybe
I'll
just
leave
that
piece
and
focus
more
on.
If
you
can
share
some
of
the
some
of
the
stories
and
and
success
and
challenges
of
rolling
out
the
results.
I
Thank
you,
Emily
or
yeah,
I
would
say
I'd
say
overall,
the
feedback
we've
received
has
been
has
been
very
good.
You
know
it's
definitely
there's
been
there's
it's
been
a
bit
of
a
rocky
ride
anytime.
You
have
that
big
of
a
change.
I
I
think
you'll
find
that,
but
I
think
that
the
ardar
board
has
really
kind
of
found,
found
their
feet
and
built
that
relationship
with
with
each
Industry
Group
and
the
idea
being
that,
whether
you're
a
producer
or
cow
calf
producer,
you
grow
canola,
wheat
and
barley
that
those
those
organizations
can
do
their
own
private,
prior
prioritization
and
say:
okay.
This
is
the
biggest
issue
for
our
industry.
Let's,
let's,
let's
go
to
r
r
and
we'll
show
that
priority,
and
that's
that's
how
a
lot
of
these
a
lot
of
these
are
getting
funded.
I
I
That
was
a
that
was
a
big
deal
and
kind
of
validated
ardar
being
that
vehicle
for
us
in
our
in
our
work
with
the
feds
being
our
our
house
to
house
this.
This
kind
of
research
research,
so
I
do
have
here
that,
as
of
January
30th
2023
ardar
was
managing
more
than
470
active
research
projects
and
had
invested
61.8
million
in
more
than
240
new
projects,
with
investment
from
industry
and
other
sources,
bringing
this
total
to
160
million
wow.
I
Well,
so
amazing
ability
to
to
leverage
leverage
and
partner
with
industry
with
post
sex
other
provinces,
other
levels
of
government,
you
name
it
yeah,
so
I
would
I'd
say
you
know
some
of
the
some
of
the
highlights,
I
would
say:
yeah,
just
the
ability
to
to
seek
out
that
that
one,
that
one
project-
that's
going
to
mean
the
most
for
that
industry
right
now
that
I
think
hearing
the
former
Minister
speak
about
it
when
it
when
they
were
at
conception.
A
E
Sorry,
so
you
did
kind
of
almost
touch
on
my
next
interest
here.
Can
you
identify
what
what
you
would
consider,
maybe
some
of
the
most
significant
research
and
and
related
to
that
are
there?
Are
there
specific
sectors,
commodity
sectors
that
are
that
are
benefiting
more
or
less
currently
with
research.
I
Well,
maybe
maybe
on
impact
like
they've
done.
Everything
from
you
know
different
different
resistance,
resistance
factors
and
crops
to
to
work
on.
I
Say:
12:
12
million
in
partnership
with
genome
Alberta;
the
fund
of
14
agricultural
genomics
research
projects,
three
million
over
three
years
to
establish
a
transdisciplinary
irrigation
cluster
with
activity,
centered
and
research,
centers
and
post-secondary
institutes
in
the
Lethbridge
area,
660
000
towards
research
in
support
of
pest
resistant
crop
varieties,
650
000
towards
honeybee
health.
I
That's
a
major,
the
very
live
topic:
400
000,
potato
quality,
521
thousand
and
two
critical
chronic
wasting
disease
projects
about
forward
by
the
beef
sector;
430
000
in
wild
boar
research.
So
it's
they're
they're,
really
covering
the
whole,
the
whole
gamut.
So
it's
pretty.
E
Impressive
yeah:
okay,
thank
you.
If
I
go
to
the
the
capital
piece,
4.1
I
think
I
heard
you
mention
earlier
that
that
1.2
million
is
going
to
the
university
for
a
lab.
Is
that
correct?
Or
can
you
clarify
that.
I
Yeah,
so
maybe
this
will
clarify
some
of
the
previous
question
too.
So
in
in
the
capital
plan,
you
will
see
1.2
million
for
Diagnostics
laboratory
equipment
for
the
UFC
in
our
in
our
budget.
It
flows
through
advanced
education
to
get
to
them,
but
that
that's
all
capital
and
I
think
I
mentioned
earlier.
The
idea
being
we
just.
I
Immediate
per
se,
but
it
will
help
a
lot
of
other
tests
that
are
currently
having
to
be
shipped
out
out
of
Alberta.
Specifically
Manitoba
does
a
lot
so
try
trying
to
bring
that
in-house
and
and.
E
Okay,
and
so
that
UFC
also
offers
the
veterinarian
program.
E
The
whole
issue
of
animal
health
is
a
big
issue,
I
think
and
and
the
shortage
of
vets
across
rural
Alberta
in
particular,
there's
there's
lots
of
vets
willing
to
deal
with
pets
and
new
kitties
and
that
kind
of
thing,
but
the
the
large
animal
vets.
The
lab
obviously
may
help
with
some
of
that.
But
could
you
just
comment
on
on
progress
in
terms
of
increasing
veterinarian
services
in
Alberta
and
the
educational
piece
yeah.
I
I
I
But
I
would
I
would
say
if
you,
if
you
allow
me
the
dean,
the
dean
at
the
school
ran
out
of
Weller
school
did
a
great
thing
and
poached
her
from
whatever
school
she
was
at
in
Europe,
but
but
she's
she's
well
on
her
way,
I
think
to
really
changing
how
we
recruit
train
admit
that
students
she's
she's,
given
a
lot
of
insight
to
myself
and
other
Ministries
around,
even
when
when
brexit
was
first
first
hitting
the
scene,
a
targeted
recruitment
campaign
in
Spain
for
large
animal
vets.
I
She
she
was
aware
that
there
was
an
opportunity
there,
so
with
our
labor
and
immigration
Minister.
That
was
part
of
a
campaign
that
and
she's
the
admission
criteria
find
finding
ways
to
make
sure
that
you
know
kids
that
that
potentially
want
to
become
are
these
young
young
people
that
potentially
want
to
become
rural
or
large
animal
vets
are
able
to
get
in?
Under
that
admission,
lowering
lowering
the
admission
and
then
increasing
the
criteria
on
something
like
references
I
know.
That's
that's
something
and
work
experience.
I
E
Well,
it
sounds
hopeful,
I,
I
know
a
couple
of
years
back
one
of
the
challenges,
and
again
this
might
be
outside
of
your
scope
this,
so
you
can
say
so,
but
one
of
the
challenges
was
Finding
existing
vets
who
were
willing
to
to
offer
the
practicum
piece
to
new
vets.
Are
you
aware,
if
that's
still
a
challenge
or
are
vets
coming
on
board
for
that.
I
No
I
think
I
think
that's
still
a
challenge,
you
know
I,
don't
think
many
of
the
challenges
of,
but
this
this
is
a
global
problem.
This
isn't
a
North
American
problem.
Even
and
it's
you
know
the
burn,
the
burnout,
the
burnout
of
vets.
I
J
Okay,
let's
figure
out
the
eight
to
the
nine
million
dollars
on
the
in
capital
plan.
Please
so.
I
J
Is
that
budget
2023
provides
real
rural
communities
with
new
funding
for
the
facilities
owned
by
agriculture
societies,
eight
million
over
three
years
for
the
agriculture
Society
infrastructure,
revitalization
program
with
major
fund,
major
repairs,
renovation,
Energy,
Efficiency
upgrades,
etc,
etc.
That's
on
page
106,
but
when
you
actually
look
at
the
budget
line
item,
which
is
on
page
116
of
the
capital
plan,
it
says
333
and
then
eight,
so
it
doesn't
it's
it's
not
right
because
three
times
three
is
nine.
J
I
J
Well,
I
know
it's
starting
to
get
really
concerned
with
your
budget
overall,
because
I
keep
finding
like
auditing
errors
here
and
I'm,
not
even
an
accountant,
okay,
well,
we'll
move
on
then
and
I.
Guess
it's
just
the
facts.
Mr
chair,
like
I'm,
not
trying
to
be
out
of
cereal.
It's
just
that
the
facts.
I
B
J
B
I
J
K
I
A
J
So
will
that
include
like
Energy
Efficiency
stuff,
like?
Is
it
kind
of
open
what
they
can
do?
Put
solar
on
the
skating,
rink
kind.
J
My
understanding
is
that
there
was
also
a
requests
put
forward
for
an
increase
in
Service
delivery
from
the
11.7
in
the
budget,
and
they
had
asked
for
about
18.3.
So
it
was
a
7.1
million
dollar
increase.
J
I
I
get
that
I'm
just
reiterating
what
I
was
at
what
I
was
told,
and
that
was
for
sustainability,
Service
delivery,
recruitment
of
Staff
and
being
able
to
basically
continue
to
do
the
work
that
they're
doing
and
as
it
continues
to
expand
so
like
open
Farm
days,
for
example,
doing
all
those
work
and
conflict
resolution
training
on
accounting
for
their
non-profits,
like
all
the
different
services
that
the
VA
societies
offer.
J
Is
there
a
reason
why
they're
why
their
service
delivery
is
flat?
And
there
was
no
inflationary
adjustment
made.
I
I
From
definitely
they
would
like
more
money,
they
would
like
an
increase
on
on
the
operating
side.
I
We've
we've
said
that
we'll
continue
to
have
that
that
conversation,
I
I,
think
there
still
is
maybe
a
big
conversation
to
be
had
about
the
AG
society's.
You
know
what
what
their
future
looks
like
just
because
it's,
if
there's
the
littlest
ones
to
the
biggest
ones,
I
think
that
the
seven
regionals
always
always
want
to
have
that
conversation.
I
So
yeah
I,
look
forward
to
having
it
I'm
proud
that
this
is
at
least
a
stable,
a
stable
budget
for
them
and
glad
we're
able
to
help
on
the
on
the
infrastructure
side.
That
is
something
that's
been
asked
for,
and
I
should
say.
We've
also
advocated
to
the
federal
Minister
that
we
would.
We
would
like
to
you
maybe
pursue
being
part
of
a
a
joint
program.
A
lot
of
this
infrastructure
wouldn't
be
owned
and
held
by
the
AG
societies.
I
If
they,
if
they
would
like
to,
you,
would
definitely
a
cost.
I
E
A
J
So
290
egg
societies,
even
if
they
got
the
increase
of
18.3
more
math,
it
would
probably
be
about
.06
Prague
Society
right.
If
you
break
it
down
divide
it
up
so
I
mean
even
if
you
did
the
11,
someone
else
could
probably
do
the
math.
For
me,
if
we
did,
the
11.2
that
they're
currently
getting
divided
by
290
is
that.
D
I
B
Thank
you
very
much
members
we'll
now
move
on
to
10
minute
segment
for
the
government
caucus
taking
the
floor
on
that
Mr
sigurton.
If
you,
if.
G
You
throw
it
to
me
catch
me
off
guard
Ministry,
you
still
get
to
go
back
and
forth,
got
a
couple
credit
questions
and
I,
just
as
I
mentioned
before,
about
the
importance
of
your
value
added
agricultural
tax,
credit
included
in
this
budget.
Of
course,
fiscal
plan,
page
37,
I'm
sure,
you're
more
than
well
aware
of
that.
I
you've
been
working
on
this
for
a
couple
years.
It's
great
to
see
it
coming
forward
I,
just
maybe
if
you
could
provide
a
little
background
on.
G
Of
course,
I
know
you
were
talking
about
it
before
how
you
came
up
with
the
12,
why
you
think
that's
the
right,
the
right
metric
for
Alberta
and
without
why
you
felt
it
was
important
to
get
this
across
the
line
and
where
it's
going
to
lead
us
to.
I
Appreciate
the
question:
yeah
a
lot:
a
lot
went
into
the
math
behind
the
scenes.
I
hate
to
bring
up
the
treasury
board
was
involved
in
math.
After
this
whole,
rounded
conversation.
I
But
I
do
think
some
smart
people
really
did
a
lot
of
great
work.
We
I
would
say
that
all
of
those
investment
teams
that
we
talked
about
so
at
Alberta
agriculture,
our
team,
invest
Alberta
all
the
good
work
they
were
doing
it.
It
became
evident
that
something
something
was
missing.
I
We
were
still
we
were
still
doing
quite
well
and
I
think
we're
proud
of
what
we've
accomplished
this
term
I'd
say
it
was
at
the
time
it
was
a
pretty
bold
goal
to
to
bring
in
1.4
billion
in
investment
in
in
the
four
years
and
create
2
000
jobs.
We
hit
the
job
number
two
years
early.
We
hit
the
investment
number
a
year
early
and
that
was
well
over
double
what
the
province
had
seen
under
the
previous
government's
pathetic
attempt,
I'm
just
kidding
but
anyway.
So
it's
growing
up.
I
It's
growing
up
the
trend
line
is
good,
but
we
know
we
can
do
more,
there's
so
much
opportunity.
We
see
what
Saskatchewan's
getting
so
we
did
a
a
very
in-depth
cross-jurisdictional
analysis,
looking
intently
at
nine
Sub
jurisdictions
in
Canada
and
the
U.S,
and
what
we
found
was
Alberto
was
kind
of
largely
in
the
in
the
mushy
middle
I'd
say
you
know
we,
our
broad
Advan.
Our
broad
advantages
were
noticeable,
the
lowest
corporate
and
combined
tax
rate
and
all
but
six
sub
jurisdictions,
no,
no
sales
tax.
I
You
know
we
have
some
proximity
advantages
to
the
to
the
coast
and
the
ports,
we're
a
beautiful
place
with
mountains
and
Prairie,
and
everything
in
between
two
large
cities
with
populations
over
a
million
for
labor.
But
we
do
have
some
things
that
are
going
away
from
us
too
I'd
say,
namely
electricity
prices,
land
values,
some
things
that
probably
previously
really
helped
make
up
the
Alberta
advantage,
and
when
you're
talking
Agri,
processing
and
Manufacturing,
there's
not
much,
you
can
do
without
electricity,
so
that
is
a
that
is
a
major
concern.
I
So
we
we
wanted
to
pursue
this
in
a
big
way
and,
like
I,
said
behind
behind
the
scenes.
Looking
at
everything
all
in,
we
thought
this
was
a
place
that
not
only
do
we
meet
eat
what
everyone
else
is
doing.
We
think
this
puts
us
an
Alberta
in
a
place
to
win,
so
some
of
the
some
of
the
goals
going
forward.
I
would
share
with
you
if
we
wanted
to
attract
1.4
billion
and
2
000
jobs,
the
last
term,
this
term,
that
number
is
going
to
be
about
5
billion
and
9
000
jobs.
I
I
I
should
say
other
than
just
the
jobs,
and
you
know
the
desire
to
create
more
value
for
the
farmers
and
not
just
put
raw
Commodities
on
a
train.
I
think
we
export
40
42
percent
of
our
AG
products
in
their
natural
primary
form.
I
It
also
helps
us
really
complete
the
circle
for
the
Goa
on
some
of
the
other
Investments,
namely
the
big
irrigation
plane.
You
know,
there's
there's
no
other
jurisdiction
in
North
America,
that
can
that
has
that
value,
proposition,
230
000
new
acres
and
it
helps
create
that
that
mass.
So
we
think
the
timing
is,
is
going
to
be
really
important
for
the
province.
G
And
and
staying
on
that
topic
about
the
new
tax
credit,
of
course,
anytime
you're
talking
about
a
tax
credit
you're,
committing
you're
committing
money
essentially
to
this
I,
think
it's
important
to
talk
a
little
bit
about
what
what
that
means
for
albertans
and
I.
G
Guess
if
you
can
maybe
speak
a
little
bit
about
what
the
maybe
about
what
the
initial
investment,
what
the
interest
is,
the
interest
level
in
it
is
so
far
if,
if
you've
seen
some
signals
and
signs
that
would
give
some
assurity
that
this
is
actually
hitting
where
you
think
it's
hitting
it
as
well.
Any
comments
on
on
what
you
think
the
return
on
this
investment
is
for
for
albertans
as
the
taxpayer.
In
this
situation,
no.
I
Thank
you
for
the
question,
so
I'd
say
a
couple
things:
treasury
boards
analysis
I
earlier.
They
think
it'll
be
an
eight
percent
return
on
investment
right
away
and
that's
some
of
the
assembly
assumes
built
into
that
are
about
35
percent
incremental,
invest
from
the
credit.
So
the
way,
the
way
the
credit
works.
If
you,
if
you
meet
those
eligibility
criteria
you're
over
over
the
10
million
in
capital,
you're
going
to
get
the
credit
I
think
it's
very
defensible.
This
is
a
non-refundable
credit.
So
there's
this
is
not
a.
I
I
So,
if
they're,
if
they're
willing
to
do
that
and
create
jobs,
we
think
there's
so
much
value
in
getting
that
business
here.
Many
of
these
businesses
are
operational
for
40
or
50
years.
These
the
infrastructure
that
comes
with
it.
So
we
we
think,
give
them
give
them
10
years
to
recoup
the
credits
and
we're
going
to
recoup
the
benefit
for
many
many
years
after
that,.
G
And,
and
maybe
just
as
a
follow-up
question
when
we're
looking
at
this,
you
said
before:
Alberta
was
sitting
kind
of
in
that
awkward
mushy
middle.
It
really
wasn't
on
the
playing
field.
We
weren't
getting
the
interest
that
we're
seeing
we
weren't
seeing
investment.
G
What
jurisdictions
specifically
do
you
think
this
helps
us
compete
with
and
how
it
gets
us
into
that
competitive
market?
So.
I
Like
I
said,
we
did
some
analysis
on
on
quite
a
few
jurisdictions,
but
we
did
about
nine
sub-jurisdictions
with
really
detailed
analysis,
Saskatchewan,
obviously,
with
their
credit
being
as
substantial
as
it
is,
we
wanted
to
make
sure
we
knew
what
was
going
on
there
Ontario
in
the
states,
Texas
Idaho
called
Colorado
states
that
we
thought
we
had
a
lot
of
direct
competition
for
a
lot
of
the
same
same
type
of
projects
and
business.
I
They
don't
they
don't
all
have
credits,
but
we
were
one
of
few
that
didn't
I
think
we
were
one
of
three
that
that
didn't
really
that
didn't
have
a
credit
in
in
that
space.
They
had
different
investment
tools.
Much
like
much
like
we
do,
but
yeah
that's
that's
kind
of
how
we,
how
we
got
here
and
then
I'd
say
the
the
anecdotal
stories
from
our
investment
team
about
the
the
ones
we
almost
landed
and
lost.
I
You
know
that
that
was
all
very,
very
real
and
it
and
had
become
more
challenging
I'd,
say
especially
more
challenging
since
Saskatchewan
made
their
credit
even
more
substantial.
G
D
I
appreciate
it's
more
than
24
seconds,
so
it's
more
than
I
can
expect
Minister.
Thank
you
very
much.
I
want
to
flip
over
to
rural
Economic,
Development
and
attracting
investment.
If
we
can
so
there's
on
page
40
and
then
also
on
page
18.,
which
one
would
you
like
to
talk
about
for
less
than
a
minute,
maybe
we'll
go
to
one
real,
quick,
like
item
here,
minister
page
40,
the
estimates
line
3.1
is
related
to
export
investment
and
we
see
there's
a
I'll
take
about
one
1.1
million
or
one
million
and
change.
I
D
I
B
C
Thank
you
and
I'll
thank
my
colleague
from
laxena
Parkland,
because
we're
on
the
same
wavelength
I
was
about
to
ask
about
rural
Economic,
Development
and
so
Minister.
Actually,
you
started
to
explain
the
4.6
million
I
know
you
touched
on
the
ritas
and
we
talked
about
that
earlier
because
you
just
do
the
rest
of
the
breakdown
of
that
4.6
minus
the
875-ish.
I
Three:
three
million
is
for
capacity
building.
I
Yeah
so
of
the
4.6
million
a
few
million
in
each
of
the
two
years
to
support
Economic
Development
capacity
building
in
rural
communities.
That
was
something
we
really
heard
in
the
stakeholder
engagement
that
was
needed
comes
700
000
to
support
Economic,
Development
capacity,
building
grants,
entrepreneurship,
support
mentoring,
coaching
Business,
Development
indigenous
women,
entrepreneurs.
C
So
so
question
in
all
serious
Minister,
like
I
I,
think
this
is
great,
but
maybe
your
officials
will
know
this,
but
were
any
of
these
programs?
Did
they
used
to
live
in
jei
or
are
these
brand
new
programs,
because
these
the
SE
the
programs
five
years
ago,
would
have
lived
in
the
former
jei
Ministry
and
so
I'm
just
curious?
Are
they
newer
programs
that
were
created
by
your
department
or
do
they
carry
over?
It's.
I
C
Engagement,
okay
sounds
like
the
one
sounds:
the
the
economic
development
capacity
building
and
even
the
700k.
The
second
program
you
mentioned
sounds
a
little
bit
like
the
former
cares
program,
community
and
Regional
economic
support
program.
So
again,
I
don't
care
the
title:
I,
don't
care
what
it
was
called.
I
I
appreciate
the
fact
that
there's
a
recognition
that
regions
of
the
province
need
support
on
the
economic
development
side,
especially
on
the
diversification
and
so
having
dollars
available
through
your
department,
I
think,
is,
is
sorely
needed.
So
are
these
all
new
dollars?
I
I
There's
five
million
dollars
going
towards
travel
Alberta
for
Rural,
specific
tourism
themes.
A
lot
of
that
at
one
time
came
out
of
my
stakeholder
engagement
that
I
led
so
you're
going
to
see
it
pop
up
a
few
places
if
you're,
if
you're
in
this
room
this
week.
But
this
is
this-
is
what
this
is.
What
stayed
with
us
after
the
e-drop
stakeholders.
C
Yeah
and
I
think
I
think
that's
great
and
it
kind
of
it
dovetails
so
I'm
I'm
also
very
interested
in
any
of
the
initiatives
that
that
you're
moving
forward
on
around
AG
tourism
and
so
now
again
I
appreciate
what
you
just
said
about
travel
Alberta
and
the
fact
that
their
mandate's
been
expanded
to
do
destination,
development
and
marketing.
Is
there?
Is
there
a
line
item
and
forgive
me
Ministry
I
I
can't
find
it,
but
are
there?
Is
there
a
line
item
that
supports
agricultural
tourism.
I
Are
not
not
with
us
specifically
like
our
I,
guess
that
that
that
need
that
came
out
of
the
stakeholder
now
now
flows
through
fpt
and
and
to
travel
Alberta,
but
working
closely
with
David,
Goldstein
and
travel
Alberta
took
you
know,
recognize
the
the
rural
opportunities
and
and
Agri
tourism,
not
specifically
in
in
our
shop
and.
C
Can
you
do
you
break
down
that
three
million
on
the
economic
development
capacity
building
I
mean,
do
you
have,
and
and
and
again
I
completely
appreciate
if
you're
about
to
put
out
like
an
RFP,
essentially
to
say
to
the
regions,
you
know
put
in
your
your
requests
for
proposals,
but
do
you
have
a
sense
of
of
how
that
that
money
is
going
to
break
down
and
what
types
of
projects
they'll
be
invested
in
it.
I
May
be
a
little
early
to
to
break
it
down
for
you,
but
and
it's
gonna
a
lot
of
that's
gonna,
probably
flow
through
you
know,
municipalities
and
and
I'm
sure
down
the
road
here,
we'll
be
able
to
break
it
down
for
you,
okay,
well,
I!
Guess
it's
it's
pretty
Broad
yeah!
It's
it's
too
broad!
Right!
Now!
Okay,.
C
Is
it?
Is
it
a
pure
Grant
or
is
it
a
matching
program
like
do
the
municipalities
or
communities
or
regions
have
to
put
in
dollars
of
their
own
or
leverage
dollars?
I
believe
that
will
be
a
peer,
Grant,
okay
and
any
callers
on
the
minimum
maximum,
or
is
that
still
being
determined
I.
C
I
I
could
support
Economic
Development
capacity
building
such
as
Rural
Entrepreneurship
support,
mentoring,
coaching
Business,
Development
support
for
indigenous
women
entrepreneurs.
So,
okay.
C
C
C
I
Yeah
I
can
get
you
that
right
now,
there's
there's
one
large
company,
that's
taking
up
quite
a
few
of
the
Bays,
but
I
believe
that
they're
they're,
the
one
that
landed,
those
large
Investments
and
we'll
probably
be
leaving
shortly.
Okay,
but
I'm
sure
my
ADM
would
know
that,
but
yeah
the
25
000
square
foot
expansion
will
create
an
additional
three
Bays
yep.
So
I
think
that
takes
some
that
takes
them
to
ten.
I
But
I
can
I'm
sure
we
we
do
know.
The
number
I
could
ask.
C
Out,
okay,
I
mean
what
I
will
say
for
for
members
benefits.
You
know
a
big
fan
of
the
Duke
poop
versus
incubator
and
in
fact,
a
company
called
cyun
food
started
in
that
facility,
expanded
to
I,
think
about
a
25
000
square
foot
facility,
and
my
favorite
part
of
the
story
is
that
the
the
CEO
and
owner
they're,
basically
selling
dumplings
back
into
China
that
are
made
in
Alberta,
which
I
think
is
totally
cool,
but
that
we're
doing
it
here
and
it's
because
of
the
the
food
processing
incubator,
yeah.
I
And
Scion
is
still
works
closely
with
our
department.
I
know
they
just
received
a
cap
Grant
actually
for
great
those
relationships
continue
but
yeah.
If
you
wanted
any
more
info
on
the
actual
facility,
it
will
total
10
Suites
100
000
square
feet
of
processing
storage,
employee
welfare
facilities.
Each
new
suite
has
5
000
square
feet
of
floor
space
designed
for
food
processing
and
yeah
projects
in
its
final
stages,
with
commission
taking
place
in
February
and
March.
I
Yeah
that
that
number
I
read
before
was
in
2022
2023
45
industry,
clients,
okay,.
C
Oh
that's
great.
My
my
last
question
in
this
block,
minister,
is,
is
in
the
business
plans
under
outcome.
Two,
it's
page
18
2.5.
So
one
of
your
key
objectives
is
to
continue
to
streamline
processes
and
unnecessary
oversights
to
improve
Service
delivery,
enhance
competitiveness
and
support
business
growth.
I'm
wondering
Minister.
If
you
can
just
comment
on
with
some
specifics
so
which
processes
are
are?
Is
your
department
focusing
on
to
streamline
and
if
you
can
comment
on
any
of
the
unnecessary
oversight
just
to
provide
some
clarity
for
that.
I
Yeah
well,
when
we're
talking
red
tape
reduction
because
we
do
have
afsc
at
the
table.
That's
that's
kind
of
the
one
that
I
My
head
goes
to
First
the
Department's
done
some
great
work
and
and
when
we
still
have
forestry
part
of
our
department,
forestry
did
a
lot
of
heavy
lifting
too,
but
yeah
I'd,
say
I'd
point
to
FSC.
B
D
I
appreciate
that
chair
and
Minister,
if
we
can
just
go
back
to
rural,
elect
Dev
so
similar
to
the
member
from
Beverly
crowview,
were
really
tied
into
that
segment
in
that
sector
and
wanted
to
grow
it
for
diversification.
So,
for
the
record
too,
I
appreciate
the
work
that
he's
done
on
that
over
the
years
as
well,
because
it
has
launched
a
lot
of
good
businesses
so
appreciate
that
so
back
to
where
I
was
at.
D
On
page
18,
the
business
plan,
there
was
a
key
objective:
2.1
Dimensions
the
intention
scored
at
government-wide
efforts
on
Rural
Economic
Development
further
on
page
41
of
the
estimates
under
line
2.2,
we
see
2
million
increase
on
the
capital
grants
to
egg
societies
and
exhibitions.
So
again,
I
know
you
and
I
both
have
a
soft
spot
for
those
groups,
because
they're
kind
of
the
glue
in
our
communities
that
hold
them
together.
D
D
I
So
yeah.
I
Two,
the
two
million
dollar
increase.
So
that's
so
the
why
this
number
looks
different.
This
isn't
around
here
two
and
a
half
million
dollar
increase
for
the
AG
Society
infrastructure.
Revitalization
fund,
the
500
million
dollar
decrease,
is
due
to
the
Medicine
Hat
Event
Center
in
grandstand.
I
It
was
an
early
engineering
study
that
was
funded
last
year
for
500,
that
isn't
there
this
year,
they're
still
working
on
a
project
with
their
trying
to
secure
or
fully
commit
their
Municipal
partner
in
conversation
with
them.
You
know
we
do
feel
like
we
set
kind
of
oppressant
with
with
Lethbridge
in
their
Expo
Center,
that
I
think
they'll
have
their
first
event
in
June.
I
D
Okay,
well
in
their
long-standing
history,
down
there
too,
we
had
a
chance
to
to
look
at
the
new
facility
underway
and
it's
it's
going
to
be
phenomenal
and
again
some
of
that
spill
off.
When
you
look
at
the
film
and
television
industry
and
everybody
wants
to
get
cowboyed
up
after
Yellowstone
and
also
with
the
zombie
action
taking
place,
it's
a.
D
To
see
those
areas,
Ghostbusters
was
another
great
one
and
part
of
that
tie
in
there
too
Minister
and
Lead
Me
into
it
a
bit,
but
some
of
those
novel
ways
that
that
other
Farms
can
actually
look
at
diversifying
their
business.
So
with
that
annual
grant
program
receiving
no
increase
since
1999,
you
explain
the
two
million
dollars.
It'll
help
address
the
struggles
with
ag
societies
that
they
currently
deal
with,
so
that
two
million
Top-Up.
Where
do
you
see
that
going
and
how
is
it
going
to
help
them
along
the.
I
I
I
I
Million
this
we
we
know
that
this
is
is
probably
a
drop
in
the
bucket.
But
it's
a
start.
You
know
it's
a
foot
in
the
door.
It's
a
line
item
it's
leverage
money.
They
are
still
going
to
have
to
bring
some
money
to
the
table,
but
we
hope
it
shows
that
you
know
we're
listening,
we're
trying
and
it's
it's
a
start.
D
Well,
in
part
of
the
minister,
if
you
could
expand
a
little
bit
for
the
folks
at
home,
who
may
not
be
familiar
with
the
exercises,
I
know,
this
is
a
friendly
room
here
and
oftentimes.
We
gloss
over
that.
But
can
you
explain
a
little
bit
how
that
ripple
effect
happens?
How
do
the
egg
societies
and
this
funding
that
they're
going
to
be
receiving?
How
does
that
Ripple
out
into
the
rural
communities?
What
is
what
is
the
net
back
on
that?
What
does
that
give
us?
Oh.
I
I
think
it's
I
think
it's
huge
like
I,
don't
know
I'm
and
I'm
biased,
because
I
come
from
a
place
that
the
ice.
I
Oh
a
lot
of
a
lot
of
the
exercise
across
the
province.
You
know
they're
they're
running
those
important
days
in
each
community
that
all
of
the
community
associations
kind
of
rely
on
to
just
to
stay
operational
and
keep
their
Community
halls
and
skating,
rinks
and
and
all
of
that
other
Community
infrastructure
going
so
I
think
in
any
way
that
we
can
support
them.
They.
I
With
costs,
but
also
just
you
know,
a
changing
world
I
know
if
you
talk
to
the
exercises,
they're
they're
always
saying
that
right
now
they
feel
like
they're
kind
of
in
this
test
phase
of
seeing
what
works
again.
What'll
what'll
get
people
out
of
their
houses
and
they're
trying
to
be
really
creative
and
think
outside
of
the
box.
So
yeah
I
think
it's
a
relationship.
We
have
to
keep
up
with
them
and
and
see
see
where
it
goes.
D
Yeah
no
I
can
see
that
full.
Well,
you
know
if
I
was
to
look
in
our
own
area,
like
the
shout
out
to
the
Darwell
egg.
Society
they're
right
off,
you've
got
a
small
little
community
that
hardly
has
anyone
when
you
drive
through
town
and
then
they
put
on
their
egg
drags
and
their
barn
burner.
You've
got
20
000
people
rolling
out
there.
D
You
know
it's
amazing
what
they
can
bring
in
for
revenues
into
small
communities,
just
from
good,
hard-working
volunteers,
to
be
able
to
to
pull
that
together.
So
with
that,
Minister
I'll
see
the
rest
of
my
time
over
to
my
colleague
and
really
appreciate
that
Peterson.
H
H
Yeah,
so
the
under
premiums,
fees
and
licenses
shows
nearly
100
million
increase
under
the
the
current
estimate
compared
to
the
2022-2023
forecast.
Yuba.
I
Thanks,
thank
you
for
the
recap.
So
it's
98.7
million
dollar
increase
in
afsc's
premiums
and
fees,
so
this
includes
a
102.
there's
going
to
be
a
little
in
and
out
here.
102
million
increase
for
Agri
insurance
producer
premiums,
1.6
million
increase
in
lending
program
fees
due
to
higher
estimated
loan
portfolio
transactions,
400
000
increase
for
Hail
insurance
premiums.
Do
it
a
hot
due
to
higher
crop
pricing
and
crop
mixes.
I
Three
hundred
thousand
dollar
increase
in
ag
stability
program
fees,
and
this
is
partially
offset
by
a
3.7
million
dollar
decrease
to
live
livestock
insurance
premiums,
and
that
was
due
to
low
producer
participation
and
2.4
million
dollar
decrease
in
hail
insurance
program
fees,
so
a
little
a
little
in
and
out,
but
kind
of
speaks
to
the
all
the
changes
we
spoke
about
earlier.
I
The
premium
piece
of
the
formula
is
capped
at
10
year
over
year,
so
they
will
be
able
to
hopefully
adjust
and
stay
well
stay
well
insured
with
their
coverage
continuing
to
continuing
to
climb.
So
that's
definitely
the
hope.
H
I
Bet
that
that
once
again
is
the
the
airmore
dam
project
so
early
days,
conceptual
study
or
conceptual
scoping
study,
so
it'll
have
to
do
a
high
level.
Assessment
of
you
know:
potential
damn
configurations
and
and
locations
yeah
determine
and
continue
to
refine
the
potential
potential.
E
I
J
A
J
Okay,
let's
talk
about
irrigation
networks,
real
quick,
I
haven't
actually
just
realized.
I
haven't
asked
about
them.
So
can
you
please
Minister
tell
me
with
all
the
irrigation
fund
that
is
in
the
current
budget?
How
many
of
those
projects
are
new
projects?
How
many
projects
have
shoveled
in
the
ground?
How
many
projects
are
still
being
mapped
out
and
how
many
projects
are?
How
far
away
are
they
from
being
completed?.
I
Well,
I
can
give
you
this
much
detail
so
of
the
of
the
933
million.
There
was
92
modernization.
Projects
highlighted
currently
42
are
complete.
I
Some
are
pushback
a
little
bit,
but
I
believe
everything
right
now
is
still
on
Pace
to
be
completed
by
2028..
Although
a
few
have
reached
out
and
just
made
sure
that
we
knew
that
they
they
may
have
a
challenge
at
the
end
of
28.
Getting
it
done
we've
we
then
you
know
conveyed
that
to
the
Canada
infrastructure
bank
and
they've
made
it
clear
that
that
won't
be
a
problem
flexible
in
that
regard,
so
I'd
say
42
out
of
92.
J
So
49er
complete
the
rest
are
projected
to
be
completed
by
2028.
J
A
J
So
because
of
that,
we
recognize
interest
rates,
inflationary
impacts
are
significantly
driving
the
majority
of
our
economy,
all
of
our
economy,
really,
the
increase
in
the
cost
associated
with
many
of
these
projects
has
gone
up
substantially.
Do
you
have
an
estimate
based
on
the
approval,
what
the
value
was
versus?
What
the
value
is
now
on
some
of
these
projects
or
on
these
projects.
I
Well,
I
can
tell
you
that
ipex
I
mentioned
earlier
it
increased
by
about
25
percent.
Some
of
that
is
I
think
getting
better.
It
was
a
real
challenge
early
days,
some
of
the
some
of
those
pipes
very
large,
like
it's
like
four
foot
and
five
foot
pipes.
So
ipex
only
has
a
few
lines
here
in
the
province
and
a
few
of
these
projects,
we're
going
to
take
the
entire
line
for
a
year
say:
take
all
the
production.
J
If
agreement
between
the
federal
government
and
provincial
government
about
what
these
costs
associated
with
these
projects
are
supposed
to
be,
a
25
increase
is
substantial
on
a
budget.
So
is
this
going
to
impact
future
projects?
Is
this
going
to
limit
the
amount
of
dollars
that
are
being
provided,
which
then
will
obviously
impact
future
projects
like?
How
are
you
managing
the
fund,
because
I
appreciate
the
feds
have
come
back
and
said:
they'll
match
it,
but
that
requires
the
province
to
also
put
in
their
dollars,
and
so
what
are
the
futures
of
these
projects
are.
I
I
So
the
the
beauty,
the
beauty
of
this
so
far,
the
IDS
have
acknowledged
that
they'll
have
to
swallow
the
increase
on
on
that
joint
doctor
yeah
we've
said
that
we'll
extend
their
timelines
and
cibs
agree
to
that
as
well.
So
that
will
help
with
some
of
this.
J
I
But
also
important
to
remember
the
composition
of
this
yeah
30
Goa
20,
ID,
50
CIB.
That
money
is
at
one
percent
over
very
long
time,
so.
I
J
J
Of
them
are
done
so
there's
an
outstanding
balance
of
a
couple
of
of.
We
are
going
back
into
math
I
apologize.
We
we're
going
back.
A
J
J
Yeah,
so
they
can
handle
it.
You
know
how
they're
going
to
handle
it
they're
going
to
push
that
value
back
onto
the
consumer
right,
so
producers
are
going
to
have
to
pay
the
adjustment
costs.
Is
that
correct?
Because
the
ID
is
not
good
enough?
The
ID
is
going
to
have
to
find
someone
to
pay
the
cost.
K
I
J
Fair
enough,
let's
look
at
expansion
of
Agri
foods
and
agritourism.
J
So
I
mentioned
this
to
you
prior
to
us
starting
and
we've
only
got
two
minutes.
Actually,
it
works
out
really
well.
J
The
farming
building
codes,
which
I
appreciate,
are
under
the
Ministry
of
Municipal
Affairs
in
2020,
the
international
and
National
Building
Codes
were
reevaluated
for
farming
infrastructure
and
there
was
a
decision
made
that
low
occupant
that
any
Farm
industry
or
any
farm
structure.
Sorry
that
was
exceeding
the
low
occupancy
rate
would
then
have
to
be
potentially
meeting
the
commercial
code,
so
that
would
mean
fire
suppressant
materials,
occupant
safety,
structural
design,
heating
ventilation,
air
conditioning
all
the
things.
J
So
some
of
the
rural
municipalities
have
been
doing
work
on
trying
to
expand
their
rural
economy
through
agri-foods
development
and
agritourism,
and
this
has
come
up
as
a
potential
barrier.
Now
again,
I
recognize
that
Municipal
Affairs
is
the
holder
of
this.
But
comments
have
been
made
that
it
is
in
consultation
with
agriculture.
Just
given
the
fact
that
it's
impacting
the
buildings
so
Minister,
you
have
a
minute
and
a
half
I
thought
I'd,
give
you
an
opportunity
to.
I
J
I
Yes,
thank
you
so
Dad,
obviously
not
not
on
my
budget,
but
I'm,
happy
to
comment.
I
would
say
we're
we're
well
aware
of.
You
know
the
the
proposed
changes
to
the
National,
Building,
Code
and
I
know.
The
minister
of
Municipal
Affairs
is
also
well
aware.
I
think
you,
you
said
that
so
I
I
have
had
new
conversations
with
her
just
just
between
her
and
I.
Obviously,
my
department
probably
doesn't
know
anything
about
this,
but
it
definitely
gave
her.
You
know
my
support
and
my
my
opinion.
I
That
is
my
belief
that
there
should
be
an
agriculture
exemption,
probably
too
early
days,
to
understand
where,
where
she
totally
sits
on
that
file,
but
I'd
say
that
we're
well
on
our
way
to
coming
to
some
kind
of
understanding.
J
B
I
B
F
Yes,
thank
you
very
much
Mr
chair
and
do
we
have
permission
to
go
back
and
forth
minister.
F
F
A
couple
questions,
so
you
know
I
just
want
to
give
a
little
bit
of
credit
to
what
the
member
from
Lexington
Park.
Let's
talk
about
in
terms
of
AG
societies,
because
my
writing
is
about
as
almost
as
Urban
as
you
can
get
and
I
would
say
that
the
spruce
grove,
egg
Society
it
just
celebrated
its
50th
Anniversary
last
year.
Truly
is
one
of
the
pillars
of
of
our
community
and
no
Minister.
F
When
you
talk
about
the
importance
of
the
ACT
Society
in
your
area
and
granted,
your
air
is
much
more
rural
than
mine,
but
even
in
urban
areas
like
mine,
when
you
look
at
the
three
pillars
of
the
kind
of
cultural
fabric
of
spruce,
grove
and
Stony
Plain,
look
at
the
Horizon
stage.
Look
at
the
AG
Society!
You
look
at
the
library
like
it's
that
important
even
for
urban
areas.
F
So
I
was
just
wondering
again
if
you
could
just
maybe
highlight
some
of
the
important
parts
of
this
budget
in
which
you're
supporting
AG
societies,
making
sure
that
these
organizations
can
continue
to
be
viable
to
help
kids
and
the
next
Generations
about
in
terms
of
our
farming.
Heritage
I
know
the
spruce
grove
egg
Society
just
also
received
a
historical
designation
at
their
grain
elevator
and
right
in
Spruce
Grove.
There
I
think
in
2020
I
believe
it
was
so.
I
Oh
yeah,
no
I
I
appreciate
the
question
it
I
do
think
it's
it's
very
important
and
we
have
gone
through
a
few
of
the
facts.
We
know
it's
283
plus
7
is
290
and
and
there's
little
ones
and
there's
big
ones,
and
we
know
that
the
they
all
they
all
do
a
lot
for
their
specific
communities
and
maybe
something
I
could
add
to
this
conversation.
I
I
know:
we've
we've
talked
about
the
two
and
a
half
million
new
new
program
for
operate,
or
you
know,
infrastructure,
revitalization,
quite
a
bit,
but
I
I
should
I
should
mention
some
of
the
value
and
I
think
I.
Think
your
colleague
was
trying
to
touch
on
this
earlier.
I
We
do.
We
do
have
some
data
for
what
what
these
AG
societies
do,
pay
back
to
their
communities
and
it
came
to
us
in
a
in
a
2017
study
by
consultant,
Richard
Hudson,
and
he
determined
that
the
386
million
in
initial
spending
by
the
primary
and
Regional
agricultural
societies
and
their
attendees
stimulated
an
increase
in
Alberta's
GDP
of
404
million
and
a
total
economic
impact
or
gross
output
of
915
million.
I
We
all
know
anecdotally
what
they
mean
for
our
communities,
but
it's
kind
of
nice
to
see
that
the
studies
that
have
been
done
can
really
show
some
measurable
outcomes
and
to
speak
to
kind
of
the
total
value
of
the
assets.
Like
that's
how
we
got
to
this
infrastructure.
I
Revitalization
question
the
study
also
determined
that
the
combined
insured
value
of
the
assets,
owned
or
managed
by
agricultural
societies
is
1.4
billion
and
that
their
cumulative
attendance
at
their
events
and
activities
by
others
and
those
using
their
facilities
would
be
around
seven
and
a
half
million
people
annually.
So
some
pretty
some
pretty
impressive
numbers
that
would
probably
surprise
but
yeah
they
they
own
or
operate
more
than
900
facilities,
Trade
Centers
exhibition
grounds,
multiplexes,
Arenas,
casinos,
curling
ranks
the
whole.
I
The
whole
gamut
so
yeah
happy
that
we're
able
to
address
some
of
those
concerns
in
this
budget
and
and
I
look
forward
to
the
conversations
and.
F
I
appreciate
the
support
and
the
comments
Minister
I
know
when
I
was
at
the
egg
societies
conference
a
while
back
with
yourself
and
of
other
members
and
just
seeing
the
signs
the
signs
of
gratitude
from
so
many
egg
societies
from
around
the
province
in
terms
of
the
support
Minister
that
you
have
given
them
over.
The
last
little
bit
I
know
is
greatly
appreciated
and
the
last
couple
of
minutes
I
just
want
to
talk
a
little
bit
about
the
value-add
component
to
food
processing.
F
So
I've
mentioned
it
many
times
in
the
legislature
that,
as
Urban
as
my
writing
is
you
know,
we
are
blessed
with
some
amazing
value-add
food
processors.
Here
in
my
riding
of
spruce,
grow
and
Stony
Plain,
for
example,
we
have
cargo
that
you
know
many
people
around
the
table
may
not
know
that
every
McDonald's
hamburger
in
Canada
is
processed
and
made
in
Spruce
Grove.
You
know
that
shows
the
the
impact
creating
hundreds
of
jobs
here
in
our
area
also
be
made.
We're
the
largest
honey
processors
in
Alberta
is
also
located
in
Spruce
Grove
as
well.
F
It
takes
in
honey
from
as
far
away
as
as
Manitoba
all
the
way
to
the
BC
border.
It's
a
massive
complex.
It
just
adds
so
much
economic
activity
to
Spruce
and
Stony.
I
know
that
there's
a
number
of
tax
incentives
that
your
ministry
is
responsible
for
that
help,
create
the
investment
climate
for
Alberta,
so
that
these
types
of
Institutions
and
businesses
can
come
here
so
that
we
can,
you
know,
provide
good
paying
jobs
for
residents
here
in
the
province.
I
F
I
So
it
was
good.
Every
every
McDonald's
Patty
across
the
entire
country
comes
out
of
Cyril's
riding
very,
very
get
to
learn
that
the
big
ones
are
four
ounce
and
the
little
ones
are
1.6
ounces
and
they
put
them
all
out
in
a
cookie
cutter
and
into
a
freezer
26
feet
high
and
that,
even
though
you
live
right
beside
it,
they
still
got
to
go
to
Calgary
first
and
then
come
back
to
your
McDonald's.
We
learned
a
lot
of
stuff.
I
I
B
You
sorry
to
interrupt
and
now
that
everybody's
hungry
apologize
for
in
in
Interruption,
but
I
must
advise
the
committee
that
the
time
allotted
for
consideration
of
the
Ministries
estimates
has
concluded.
I
would
like
to
remind
committee
members
that
we
are
scheduled
to
meet
tomorrow,
Thursday
March
9th
2023
at
9
A.M
to
consider
the
estimates
of
the
ministry
of
environment
and
protected
areas.
Thank
you.
Everyone
for
your
input.
This
meeting
is
adjourned.