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A
A
We
get
together
the
Planning,
Commission
and
so
I
would
personally
just
like
to
say
thank
you
from
the
Planning
Commission.
It's
there's
a
lot
of
change
in
American
Fork
between
Scout
Planning,
Commission,
City,
Council
I
feel
like
we
have
spooky.
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So
we're
going
to
turn
it
over
to
Mike,
Hawthorn,
Orcas
old
and
he's
got
presentation,
probably
little
longs
to
with
this
packet
that
you
have
the
animal.
This
is
kind
of
play
about
a
year
as
far
as
just
making
comments,
just
let's
just
raise
our
hands
a
little
blisters.
We
really
need
to
have
an
understanding
this,
a
thorough
understanding
of
this.
It's
going
to
come
to
the
Planning
Commission.
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We
are
going
to
do
kind
of
a
summary
of
that
at
the
at
the
end
of
this
section,
to
kind
of
recap:
it
what
we're
going
to
talk
about
tonight
or
public
space
Sanders,
which
is
which
is
section
7
in
this
code,
and
it's
a
very,
very
important
section,
because
and
I
guess:
I
should
probably
define
public
space
and
because,
when
I
say
public
space,
I
don't
want
you
to
think
just
open
space.
That's
certainly
part
of
it.
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But
what
we
need
to
understand
collectively
is
that
the
public
realm
includes
multiple
open
space
as
well
as
thoroughfares
of
streets,
roads
and
so
forth.
Streets
are
part
of
the
public
realm
environment
that
the
city
governors
and
maintains
and
regulates,
and
so
that
there
there
is
a
lot
of
regulation
shouldn't
sit
regulations.
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So
I
wanted
I
want
you
to
kind
of
digest.
This
particular
quote
in
as
it
relates
to
the
role
of
public
space
we
need
to.
We
need
to
think
of
it
as
part
of
part
of
the
overall
fabric
and
I
want
you
to
think
about
it
as
as
the
means
by
which
the
development
parcels
are
actually
sewn
together
and
and
the
relationship
from
as
you
move
from
block
to
block
or
crossing
a
particular
street.
It
shouldn't
be.
We've
talked
about
this,
this
aspect
of
it
not
being
a
a
barrier
edge.
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So
thinking
of
this
really
quickly
in
in
a
kind
of
a
safe,
our
communities
form
is
the
idea
that
what
we're
what
we're
doing
is
you
know,
we've
talked
about
these
other
aspects
of
neighborhood
form
previously,
in
terms
of
in
terms
of
blocks,
lots
the
relationship
with
to
those
and
the
relationship
of
the
buildings
on
the
lust.
We
then
have
we
have.
We
then
have
the
blending
of
the
public
space
that
helps
to
to
put
these
pieces
together,
and
the
intention
of
the
code
is
to
actually
do
that.
What
I'm?
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Open
space
is,
is
providing
a
benefit
for
and
and
then
based
on,
the
relationship
of
the
block
and
lock
types
that
the
developer
would
be
using.
The
the
palette
allows
you
to
them,
choose
from
and
say
we
want
to
use
this
open
space
type
and
then
program
for
it
in
that
programming.
So
this
is
this
is
what
the
code
would
actually
deliver
with
each
one
of
those
open
space
tires,
and
with
that,
it's
helping.
You
better
understand
the
details
in
terms
of
what
it
is
and
then
something
that
I'm
really
excited
about.
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This
is
the
the
last
column,
the
disposition
and
usage
calling
this
is.
This,
provides
you
with
information
as
to
what
the
activity
and
programming
of
the
open
space
type
is
intended
to
provide.
So
what
you're
seeing
is
a
matrix?
That's
that's
showing
you
on
a
on
a
scale
of
formal
and
informal
on
your
your
vertical
and
passive
and
active
on
your
horizontal.
This
is
helping
you
to
understand
what
the
intention
in
this
instance
what
square
is
meant
to
to
deliver
as
an
open
space
spider
it's
identified
as
a
formal,
passive
space.
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Us
to
recognize
and
its
use
the
context
of
what
it
is
that
we're
looking
at
relation
to
us
metal.
So,
but
this
is
what
this
is
telling
us,
based
on
a
commercial
street,
for
example,
that
that
particular
street
type
is
available
in
a
block
type,
six
adjacent
to
a
lot
I
of
seven,
eight
and
nine.
So
it's
we
heard
to
it
in
a
previous
for
exception
as
a
as
a
basically
a
garanimal.
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I'm
dating
myself
by
talking
about
Garanimals,
but
you
know
they
when
I
was
a
little
kid
learning
to
dress
myself.
I
could
put
my
elephant
shirt
on
with
my
elephant
pants
and
know
that
the
stuff
was
going
to
match,
so
the
plan
key
is
intended
to
to
serve
in
that
type
of
a
role
by
delivering
by
delivering
information
very
quickly
in
terms
of
the
understanding
of
the
context
of
what
it
is
that
you're
actually
looking
at
then
on
the
on
the
right
side.
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Here
it's
giving
details
associated
with
thus
particular
street
tires
whoops,
and
then
you
have
to
you
also
have
to
put
the
pieces
together
in
terms
of
streets.
Don't
just
run
forever.
They're,
not
they're,
not
drag
strips.
They
they
come
to
intersections
and
depending
upon
developer
programming,
there's
opportunities
to
use
different
types
of
intersections,
rather
than
just
you
know
you
there
there
are
irregular
land
conditions.
There
are
decisions
to
in
that
open
space
within
in
an
intersection.
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So,
rather
than
getting
incremental
in
terms
of
all
upfront
identifying
the
different
land
uses,
the
sub
districts
actually
provides
you
the
detail
of
what's
possible
within
the
within
the
district
framework
and
as
as
the
developer
moves
forward
in
their
block
and
LOC
plans.
As
when
the
detail
of
the
uses
that
are
being
proposed.
Subject.
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It's
basically
the
abbreviated
version
of
what
the
district
are.
Excuse
me
that
development
area
plan
is
providing
where
you're,
seeing
the
the
district
boundaries
represented
by
the
colored
areas
and
the
transportation
plan.
That's
that's
already
in
place
this.
The
city
will
be
updating
the
transportation
plan
to
account
for
a
couple
roads
that
are
being
that
are
being
added.
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Very
over
with
with
block
plans,
it's
that
this
is
where
you're
seeing
the
detail.
This
particular
example
was
a
design
exercise
that
we
work
through
to
test
the
code
and
what
the
requirements
were
the
this
is.
These
are
four
blocks
that
are
that
are
in
three
different
districts,
and
so
what
you're
seeing
here
is
block
plan
level
detail
where
you're
identifying,
based
on
the
block
type,
which
lot
types
are
using
and
the
the
allocation
of
those
block
types
within
within
the
blocks.
The
blocks.
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Intended
to
be
broken
down
into
sub
blocks,
so
there's
there's
their
circulation
within
the
blocks
themselves
and
then,
lastly,
is
dealing
with
the
aspect
of
the
LOC
plans.
This
is
clearly
the
longest
section
in
the
process,
because
you're
dealing
again
with
that
that
Merricks
between
building
a
lot
the
pool
the
way
that
the
code
is.
If
the
code
that
is
in
place
today
works,
it
leads
with
building
type
and
for
an
area.
That's
hundreds
of
acres
only
provides
six
building
types.
That's
that's
unrealistic.
You
need
a
lot
a
lot
more
room.
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Here,
we're
up
in
the
top
left-hand
corner,
you'll,
see
the
plan
key,
which
tells
you
that
we're
dealing
with
the
transit
poor
district,
we're
dealing
with
the
the
mixed-use
sub
district,
and
this
particular
block,
is
a
block
type
for
and
we're
using
lot
type
live,
which
is
identified
by
the
green.
The
green
line
identifying
those
those
buildings
on
the
right
are
the
lot
the
lot
type
five
requirements
so
as
as
your
as
as
as
deep
as
details
of
the
buildings
are
coming
forward.
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And
then
code
the
code
actually
in
that
in
the
first
two
sections,
it
actually
addresses
that
it
says:
hey
we're
not
here
to
deal
with
building
code
issues
and
so
forth,
because
that
stuff,
you
know
the
building
codes-
are
they're
managed
by
other
other
areas,
so
that
you
know
your
zoning.
Your
zoning
today
doesn't
doesn't
get
into
the
weeds
on
on
that
specifically
either.
This
is
simply
addressing
it
out
front
and
saying
building
building
code,
but.
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What
is
the
draft
code
will
be
delivered
in
a
Planning
Commission
type
of
person,
so
you'll
have
you'll,
have
the
entire
the
entire
draft
documents,
and
you
can
flip
that
before
it's
been
hard,
rebus
I
know
you
know,
we've
been
the
sections
have
been
drafted
and
you're
seeing
you
know
piece
by
piece,
but
now
you'll
have
a
comprehensive
document,
says
to
be
able
to
go
from.
You
know
it's
referring
to
this,
and
sometimes
that
section
it
and
deal
with
with
the
details.
You
want
to
see
it
going.
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These
are
these
are
design
drawings
that
you
know,
then,
as
you
as
you
get
belted,
you
know
you
end
up
with
a
finished
product
but
work.
We
want
the
lot
to
qualify
the
building
as
opposed
to
the
way
the
code
reads
today
where
the
building
leads
and
you've
got
six
buildings
to
work
with.
We
all
know
that
our
our
development
fabric,
our
you
know
our
environment,
our
our
human
environment,
is
far
more
comprehensive
than
six
building
types,
so
we
want.
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And
I
do
I,
do
want
you
to
keep
in
mind
that
it
it
feels
different
because
it
is
different.
We
are
I
use
the
example
previously
of
zoning
code
being
DNA,
and
you
need
to
think
of
it.
That
way.
You
know.
I
I
mentioned
it.
When
we
first
had
these
discussions
about
about
revising
the
code,
David
told
me
he
wanted
to
deliver
it
in
corn
in
this
area,
and
you
know
granite
in
uniforms
a
mythical
creature.
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This
is
this
is
I,
mean
work,
we're
dealing
with
some
a
delivery
system.
That's
going
to
give
you
the
projects
as
it
pertains
to
as
it
pertains
to
the
transit
and
fully
capitalizing
on
that
relationship,
in
a
way
that
nobody
else
in
the
state
is
going
to
be
able
to
do
any
any
questions.
I
can
answer
any
other
questions.
I
can
answer
for
you,
yeah.
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Very
question
that
I
was
I
would
say
that
as
a
starting
point,
there's
already
been
a
differentiation.
That's
been
made
between
this
area,
where
the
word
that's
been
defined
as
a
2d
area.
You
have
an
existing
code,
this
that
that
had
good
intentions
in
terms
of
delivering
the
unicorn,
but
there's
there's
a
lot
of
genetic
sequencing
that
still
had
to
be
done,
which
we're
trying
to
do
so
that
the
whole
delivery
can
be
made
in
terms
of
the
type
of
code
that
it
is
and
its
ability
to
work
in
other
places.
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You
can.
You
can
do
a
code
of
this
nature,
but
you
would
need
to
calibrate
things
specifically
for
what
it
is
that
you're
trying
to
learn.
You
mean
why
you
may
want
to
another
part
of
the
city.
You
may
want
to
deliver
a
rhinoceros
instead
of
a
unicorn.
It's
still
porn
animal,
but
the
the
structure
of
it
is
is
different
in
terms
of
what
what
it's
doing,
that?
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That's
the
that's,
the
type
of
articulation
that
goes
on
with
with
calibrating
these
codes
to
work
for
particular
purposes
and
in
this
particular
instances
is
trying
to
build
on
what
was
already
done
and
kind
of
complete
with
process
as
it
was
left.
I
think
we
talked
about
by
70%
we're
trying
to
fill
the
other
30%
so
that
what
actually
happens
in
terms
of
development
is
what
the
vision
is
from
the
city
is
that
that
answer
that
okay
yeah
any
questions
from
any
of
you
yeah
this
guy
right,
here's
got
a
poison.
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But
what
we're
also
doing
is
we're
allowing
for
the
the
developer
to
have
the
opportunity
to
to
deal
with
the
details
of
the
throw
of
the
open
space,
because
they
may
have
a
particular
vision
for
the
neighborhood
that
they're
trying
to
create,
and
while
they
have
an
open
space
palette
that
says,
okay
based
on
the
neighborhood
that
you
want
to
deliver.
You
have
you
know
of
those
15.
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Let's
say
that,
there's
six
open
space
types
that
fit
the
parameters
of
the
of
the
neighborhood
that
they're
working
with
what
we're
not
doing
is
we're
not
we're
trying
to
move
away
from
a
system
where
we're
simply
identifying
a
quota.
You'll
see,
you'll,
see
moving
up
and
down
the
Wasatch
Front,
where
cities
will
ask
for
simply
a
percentage
I've
seen
it
anywhere
from
twenty
to
forty
percent
open
space
depending
upon
the
type
of
development
and
so
we're.
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So
and
that's
being
established
so
that
it's
not
a
guessing
game
and
what
actually
gets
delivered
is
quality
open
space
instead
of
quantity
we
want
to.
We
want
to
flip
that
dine
out
to
so
that
so
that,
while
the
number
may
be
lower
than
what
other
cities
are
doing,
the
quality
of
this,
the
open
space
is
much
higher
and
you're,
not
getting
those
situations
where
you're
dumping
a
playground
in
a
storm
water
retention
table.
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Great
the
other
question:
that's
kind
of
related
is
who's
going
to
take
responsibility
to
make
sure
that
these
different
districts
or
projects
or
blocks
or
cohesive
you
know
so
that
it
flows
properly.
It
seems,
like
you
know,
since
they're
they're,
separate
projects
and
people
may
change
as
the
developments
come
through,
whether
it's
in
City
Council
are
planning
yeah.
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Going
to
guarantee
of
something
I,
don't
know,
guarantee,
probably
a
stricter
the
word.
Let's
say
we
have
a
trail
system
or
a
park
system
that
it's
not
often
the
corner
I,
don't
know
how
to
phrase
it,
but
it
would
be
nice
to
have
this
acuity
that
actually
fulfills
the
vision
of
the
community
rather
yeah.
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We're
trying
to
establish
and
I
guess
I'll
give
you
I'll
give
you
the
macro
answer
in
that
it's
it's
the
responsibility
of
the
code
to
provide
the
consistency
factor
in
the
process,
because
when
you
look
at
the
entire
area
to
your
point,
people
are
going
to
come
and
go,
staff
members
will
come
and
go
elected
officials
will
come
and
go.
What
has
to
what
has
to
remain
constant
is,
is
the
the
regulatory
environment
in
which
development
goes
through
its
process,
as
we.
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That,
when
you're
is
you're
traveling
from
the
garden
district
into
the
transit
court,
there
should
there
should
be
a
feeling
of
change.
When
you,
when
you
cross
that
threshold,
you
should
know
that
you're
in
a
different
place,
so
that
that's
something
that
that
were
we're
trying
to
ensure
takes
place
because
there
is
a
there
is.
D
Areas
should
be
different,
and
so
you
know
in
other
instances
you
know
you
get
on
State
Street,
you
don't
necessarily
know
when
you
have
Pleasant
Grove,
unless
you
know
where
the
boundary
is
because
the
character
of
moving
from
one
city
to
the
next
is
as
pretty
homogeneous.
It's
the
same.
We
want
some
differentiation
here
so
that
you,
you
know
that
you've
moved
from
the
garden
district
into
the
transit
court
becomes
more
urban.
The
the
streetscape
is
different.
The
buildings
are
different,
that
that
that
type
of
relation
cell
signaling.
D
You
know
as
an
example
when
you,
when
you
think
in
terms
of
the
context
of
you,
know,
rural,
suburban
urban,
the
open
space
types
that
you'll
see
in
those
environments
are
different
and
so
we're
trying
to
in
terms
of
the
open
space
pal
we're
trying.
The
the
code
is
actually
directing
that
in
terms
of
identifying
relationships
of
urban
open
space
that
will
only
be
in
urban
areas.
D
So
the
palate,
for
example,
in
the
core
in
the
business
district,
will
be
different
than
what
you'll
see
in
the
Garden
District,
because
the
Garden
District
is
is
moving
from.
Maybe
I
will
say
a
highly
suburban
to
too
low
suburban
in
terms
of
in
terms
of
intensity
going
from
from
high
to
low
as
you
as
you
move
towards
the
edge.
B
It's
you
know,
you
go
to
these
cities
and
they're,
putting
these
huge
fields
for
soccer
fields
and
no
that
uses
the
students,
because
they're
so
blazing
hot.
The
second
innings
over
everybody's,
gone
and
I
always
think
to
myself.
Why
doesn't
some
you
just
plant
some
trees
in
this
student?
You
know
everybody
into
the
trees
and
the
best
parks
are
always
the
one
to
have
nice
big
trees.
It's
some
place
to
go
and
get
out
of
the
heat
and
enjoy
the
place,
not
that
you
don't
have
open
space,
but
if
just
wondering
is
the
cheapest.
D
C
D
D
They're
gonna,
you
know
recently,
so
we've
talked
a
lot
about
this
as
we've
gone
through.
Those
types
of
things
are
going
to
be
out
of
here,
because
in
here
one
the
hope
is
is
that
the
ground
is
going
to
be
far
more
valuable
in
terms
of
in
terms
of
what
its
providing
in
its
development
pattern.
But
but.
D
Like
this,
what
what
will
being
in
in
here
will
be
open
space
types
that
are,
in
essence,
qualified
based
on
their
context,
based
on
the
district.
It's
in
based
on
the
intensity
level
in
which
the
open
space
is
going
to
be
placed,
and
then
it's
going
to
be
programmed
based
on
on.
You
know
who
who's
represented
within
that
that
service
area,
that
the
open
spaces
is
providing
activity
for.
So.
B
B
D
C
D
Lot
of
that
detail
is
is
negotiated
as
part
of
as
part
of
the
development
agreement
with
within
a
given
process.
But
what
what's
occurring
is
it's
it's
basically,
this
this
hardcore
negotiation,
because
the
city
has
set
a
threshold
of
let's
say:
30
percent
open
space
developers
bringing
20
acres
in
so
30
percent
of
that
20
acres
has
to
be
open
space,
and
then
it's
this.
This
weird
negotiation
between
the
two
is:
what
qualifies
as
open
spaces.
What
does
it
this.
D
B
D
Well,
with
the
exception
of
who,
who
it
is
that
they're
actually
dealing
with
that
that,
at
that
step,
it
may
not,
depending
upon
the
level
at
which
the
open
space
is
being
discussed,
it
may
be
Planning
Commission,
the
City
Council,
it
may
be
staff
based
on
the
step,
but
yeah,
it's
being
it's
being
discussed
in
a
qualified
fashion.
As
opposed
to
this
negotiation
alweather,
you
can
put
the
playground
in
the
in
the
retention,
the
retention
area.
E
D
C
D
There
are
properties
that
aren't
even
annexed
in
the
city
that
the
city
is
planning
for.
Yes,
city
is
the
the
city
is
actually
being
responsible
in
that
process
in
terms
of
San,
okay.
When
and
if
the
property
is
in
here's
the
governance
in
which
it
will
be,
it
will
be
weighed
and
measured
if
development
comes.
H
C
D
That's
that's
a
great
question.
One
of
the
one
of
the
things
that
we
actually
talked
about
in
the
code
is
the
need
for
coordination
with
with
transportation.
So
you
know,
UTA
is
a
transportation
entity
that
that
we
need
to
coordinate
with
because
of
their
investment
with
the
commuter
rail,
but
the
the
planning
work
that's
been
done
here
allows
for
discussions
without
buying
school
district
that
are
far
more
qualified
as
to
what
what
the
future
holds.
B
D
C
H
H
D
Hope
and
desire
is
that
they
get
placed
within
the
districts,
but
that's
that's
something
that
I
mean
that's
something
that
we're
setting
the
table
or
very
early
coordination
without
buying
school
district.
To
do
that
and
so
that
they
can
be,
they
can
be
scouting,
they
can
be
looking
and
there
can
be
coordination.
D
I've
I've
had
the
opportunity
of
working
with
school
districts
and
developers
and
seeing
the
the
cohesion
between
the
two
when
the
school
can
actually
be
placed
in
the
neighborhood
and
and
be
a
lot
more
accessible
and
then
creating
those
pedestrian
connections
to
the
school
so
that
you're
not
you're,
not
walling,
off
a
given
neighborhood
where
the
school
is
and
in
the
neighborhood
next
nextdoor.
They
have
to
walk
a
halt,
all
the
way
around
or
more
realistically
be
driven,
because
there's
no.
G
F
D
To
two
things,
we've
got
to
remember:
there's
been
a
series
of
work
sessions,
and
so
there
was
a
responsibility
on
my
part
to
finish
out
what
the
elements
of
the
code
are,
that
you're
going
to
see.
The
second
was
to
make
sure
that
we
at
least
had
a
summary
of
what
the
what
the
steps
are.
The
dakotas
is
regulating
so
that
when
Planning,
Commission
and
City
Council
get
those
drafts
of
the
code,
there's
there's
a
foundation
to
work
from
in
terms
of
what
it
is
that
they're
that
they're,
seeing
you
know
we
want
we
want.
D
You
know
we
want
your
time
to
be
just
effectively
used
as
possible
and
the
more
the
more
I
can
give
you
before.
You
read
it
and
it's
not
giving
you
cold
the
easier.
It's
going
to
be
to
understand
what
the
steps
are
what's
being
required
within
what
what
does
it?
The
district
or
the
development
area
plan
require,
prior
to
the
district.
F
F
M
M
Basically,
there
was
an
email
that
have
every
every
section
of
the
actual
code
itself
position:
oh
yeah
drops,
and
so
that
was
basically
the
first
version
of
the
rough
draft.
So
what
mike
is
working
on
is
compiling
everything
to
basically
kind
of
formalized
draft
which
will
go
out
Thursday
in
your
packets.
F
Work
together
as
a
team,
the
code
itself
deceived
what
concerns
there
were
understand
from
each
other.
It's
going
to
be
very
hard
to
turn
and
discussions
around
rose
had
ready,
doesn't
a
packet
in
time.
Their
concerns
are
so
hopefully
reaching
love
and
feedback.
You
have
counsel
personally,
stepping
sometimes
tough
I
also
get
any
concerns.
It's
a
big
task
to
say:
there's
this
whole
packet.
M
A
D
G
D
C
C
D
There
to
square
this
part
of
the
set
of
a
set
of
office
buildings.
Typically,
it's
the
it's,
the
property
owner
and
the
property
management
company
that
that
manages
that
open
space.
But
it's
something
that
they're
delivering
in
terms
of
their
contribution,
their
Civic
contribution
to
to
the
whole
of
what
this
will
sound.
So.
G
D
D
F
D
F
D
F
L
E
L
E
L
So
I
he
building
things
that
we,
you
know,
I,
don't
know
how
we
consider
after
the
fact,
but
as
we
sit
down
and
look
at
that,
and
we
talked
about
having
contract,
to
maintain
those
parts
and
those
different
things.
But
I
don't
want
to
incur
any
more
additional
stress
on
the
staff,
but
I
would
love
to
see
some
parks.
In
addition,.
D
A
L
F
G
O
D
That's
a
great
question
that
that's
where
it's
going
to
require
the
dialogue
between
developer
landowner
and
certain
instances
and
the
city.
The
city
is
its
you
all
that
that
maintain
the
long
term
vision
of
what
it
is
that
you're,
trying
to
what
you're
trying
to
do
here,
the
developer
has
it
has
a
different
timeline
than
the
city
does,
and
those
goes
that
dialogue
has
to
has
to
occur
so
that
there's
a
meeting
of
the
minds
of
the
visit
at
least
some
of
those
type
of
issues.
O
D
N
J
O
B
D
Control
of
because
the
division
I
mean
you
know,
you
have
a
parks
and
open
space
master
plan,
there's
opportunities
to
look
at
things
and
say:
okay,
part
of
what
would
really
make
this
special
is
to
do
XY
and
Z.
You
have
the
ability
to
do
that
and
to
to
regulate
that,
because
you're,
the
one
here
you're
the
keepers
of
the
through
the
keepers
of
the
vision,
your
time
requirements
and
the
aspect
of
ownership,
the
developer.
You
know
it's
important
to
understand,
they're,
the
ones
that
are
implementing
the
plan,
but
the
plan
has
to
be.
O
D
O
O
E
D
We
carried
forward
the
principal
of
the
districts,
but
we
we
did
have
to
clean
up
the
boundary
lines
of
districts
because
of
because
of
projected
roads
as
well
as
property
lines.
Property
lines
were
not
considered
when
the
boundaries
were
made
prior
and
that
that's
something
we
somebody
shouldn't
a
landowner
shouldn't
have
to
deal
with
their
property
being
segmented
into
two
districts.
So
there.
E
E
You
know
the
developer
knows
the
land
surrounding
the
house
keeps
applying
to
give
Tod
zone
change
and
week
you
having
to
go
through
this
song
and
dance
every
few
months
or
a
year,
and
it
says
no
there's
conditions
you
know
and
somebody
off
the
record
was
say:
I,
don't
know
why
just
put
that
in
the
Tod,
you
know
it's
just
frustrating
us
as
homeowners
and
as
neighbors
in
that
neighborhood
have.
The
kind
of
you
know,
ramped
up
the
the
soldiers
for
the
fight
of
you
know
coming
here
showing
up
and
then
having
the
same
result.
D
E
C
D
P
P
We're
gonna
put
the
utilities
in
the
same
places
for
roads,
so
we
do
have
lost
over
there
changes
to
the
water
plan.
That's
the
plan
sewer
master
plan,
but
it
really
is
just
a
kind
of
match
for
the
rotoscope,
so
this
was
was
updated,
as
you
know
fairly
recently
earlier.
This
year,
but
as
the
Tod
progressed
and
a
lot
of
these
discussions,
it
became
obvious
that
we
need,
in
the
make
a
few
little
tweaks
to
this
document
and
really
it's
mostly
this
blue
road
that
goes
across
here,
which
is
roughly
350
South.
P
It
became
apparent
through
the
process
that
we
needed
another
east-west
road
that
was
partly
between
two
hundred
self
and
seven
hundred
self,
which
is
at
the
bottom
south
end
of
the
Tod.
So
it's
not
exactly
half
way,
but
it's
it's
close,
and
so
that's
to
carry
a
lot
of
the
east-west
traffic
over
to
the
edges
where
it
can
get
in
and
out
of
the
Tod
on
to
the
vineyard,
connector
or
up
the
kind
of
crossings,
the
flyover,
etc.
It
also,
the
other,
has
changed
to
the
transportation
master
plan.
All
is
adding
this
road
here.
F
P
F
P
And
that's
where
John
has
come
in
is
that
we've
done
with
him
talked
about
some
of
these
plans.
Some
of
these
densities
asked
him
to
look
at
it
with
the
new
concept
that
we
have
video
game.
Oh
so
that's
the
the
roads,
but
that's
what
then,
a
lot
of
these
plans
over
are
here
is
showing
where
the
new
lines
would
be.
A
couple
of
them
are
up
sites
from
what
they
were.
We
talked
about
where
the
location
of
the
24-inch
line
would
be
where
there
should
be.
Are
there
large
ones
like
12s
and
so
forth?
P
Q
P
The
old
Tod
proprietor,
so
these
Tod
but
I,
guess
what
I'm
saying
so
then
this
new
ordinance
doesn't
really
change
a
whole
lot
of
the
densities
and,
like
you
can
track
them
from
wrong.
But
what
I'm
saying
is
is
that
the
master
plan
does
account
for
the
densities,
the
old
master
plan,
but
for
them
the
fourth
tier
diamond
was
thought
of
that
has
been
updated
at
bats.
P
C
P
Perfect,
most
of
what
these
changes
are
on
this
recent
iteration
that
we
have
are
moving
the
line
from
here
to
there,
which
is
simply
kind
of
match
where
the
rotoscope,
because
there's
there's
a
little
bit
of
a
sweetness
but
you're
right.
We
need
to
confirm
that
some
of
these
are
pretty
big
alliance
again
the
24
inch
so,
but
though
they
hear
your
comment
is
absolutely
be
sure
to.
A
K
P
The
next
thing-
and
maybe
you
guys,
can
all
see
what
they're
already
pulling
up
the
road
sections.
So
one
of
the
things
that
we
talked
to
earlier
in
the
open
house
about
as
well
is
each
of
these
roads
that
are
in
the
Tod
does
have
any
cross
section
that
we've
been
talking
about.
That
is
different
than
the
cross
sections
that
we
see
elsewhere
in
the
city
in
terms
of
what
is
a
collector,
how
why
does
it
where
the
traffic
lanes
all
those
kinds
of
things?
So
we
have
these
tonight?
P
I
can
I'm
not
sure
how
much
we
want
to
get.
If
you
would
like
to
get
into
the
details,
we'd
be
happy
to
get
in
those
and
kind
of
go
like
if
not
I
can
summarize
them.
I
didn't
want
to
say.
We've
got
some
pretty
good
comments
from
a
couple
of
the
folks
who
were
here,
particularly
one
of
the
active
developers
who
is
developing
right
now,
that's
unique.
He
gave
me
some
really
good
feedback.
P
We
brought
up
some
very
good
points
that
we
want
to
consider,
particularly
with
regards
to
growth
that
he's
gonna
build,
and
that
sounds
that
consciousnesses
and
then
grant
with
Willow
Glen
Keane
I've
spoke
extensively.
He's
part
of
his
development
requirements
are
going
to
have
to
build
900
quest
by
his
partners.
Still
here
and
comments
with
grad
was
wanting
us
to
at
least
look
at
it.
Consider
flipping
maybe
gets
to
pull
where
900
West
is
a
that's.
P
The
urban
core
collection
started
core
collector,
so
I
just
want
you
to
be
aware
of
some
of
the
comments
that
we
got
that
I
I
think
we
do
want
to
discuss.
This
is
what
we're
looking
at
right
now
for
it,
for
this
looks
like
there's
one
or
two
things
that
are
a
little
bit
different
than
what
we
have
over
here.
I
didn't
yes,.
R
R
One
of
the
things
that
was
show
these
premises
we'd
actually
raised
the
sidewalk
six
inches
and
created
a
memorable
curve
to
trying
to
separate
some
of
the
cycle
track
from
the
pedestrian
sidewalk
traffic.
Part
of
that
is
your
safety
concerns.
You
know
trying
to
make
sure
that
you
don't
have
like
this
I
mean
with
pedestrians
or
pedestrians
accidentally
walking
out
over
the
pipe
flames,
or
anything
like
that.
One
of
the
suggestions
that
will
when
the
product
was
even.
R
This
even
moving
the
cyclic
trafficking
among
suggestions
he
had
was
maybe
bring
it
over
to
the
Privy
Purse
event.
Planner
stripped
in
between
have
that
difference
in
elevation
between
the
cyclotron
and
the
sidewalk
just
to
be
able
to
still
maintain
separation,
but
some
of
the
intent
of
the
Tod,
whether
you're
having
applause
the.
E
R
P
Know
just
real
quick,
you
know
my
conversation
with
Grant
kind
of
cement,
his
thoughts
because
he's
going
to
be
that
building
the
first
one
here
is,
you
know
we're
trying
to
accomplish
a
couple
of
things.
We
are
wanting
to
make
sure
that
the
the
why
cyclists
and
these
are
again
interviewed
uses
these
are
not
the
spandex
crowd.
This
is
the
more.
P
Facing
themselves-
and
you
know
the
families
getting
out
there
and
so
forth,
using
that,
but
to
still
keep
them
separated
from
the
pedestrians.
So
you
know
his
suggestion
was:
maybe
we
could
flip
it
or
he
kind
of
towards
the
end
was
talking
about.
Well,
maybe
he
likes
this
outdoor
and
white
builded,
but
his
latest
suggestion
that
he
made
just
a
little
bit
before
he
had
to
leave.
Was
you
know,
perhaps
that
planner
strip
could
be
paper
stones
instead
of
concrete
and
and
that
would
again
show
a
differentiation?
P
P
The
recreational
cyclists
and
then
you've
got
a
planner
strip
where
people
can
congregate,
where
there's
some
beautification
trees
and
so
forth.
We
want
to
make
sure
that
those
clear
that
those
are
three
separate
areas
there's
a
dozen
different
ways.
I
wanted
to
show
you.
This
is
what
we
thought:
we're
not
necessarily
be
married
to
this,
but
grant
had
a
few
suggestions.
I
think,
there's
others.
P
You
know
something
again:
we're
welcome
to
and
loves
it
to
discuss
with
you,
but
our
intent
is
to
take
kind
of
his
input,
our
thoughts,
your
thoughts
go
back
and
make
it.
You
know,
modifications
if
you
filter,
for
it
exceptions
like
this
and
then
come
to
you
again
in
Commission
next
week
and
then
on
the
23rd
approval
to
put
these
into
the
code.
Basically
in
Section,
seven
and.
P
P
G
P
F
F
P
What
we
did
is
we
made
sure
the
mixer
managed
to
ask
you
answering
your
question
correctly.
We
looked
very
closely.
We've
done
something
with
ventolin
made
sure
that
where
these
are
that
master
planners,
we
believe
they
do
so
I
don't
know
it's.
Maybe
I
may
be
misunderstanding.
Your
question
about
it
right
now.
F
P
K
L
Primarily
the
plaintiff
service,
because
right
now
on
spandex
crowd,
recreation,
biker
I
for
the
life
of
me,
can't
imagine
why
we
would
have
an
eight-foot
sidewalk,
where
people
window
shopper
do
whatever
a
planner
strip
where
people
can
congregate
on
a
cycle
track
running
down
the
middle,
that
it
seems,
like
people
would
bounce
back
and
forth
between
those
two
things
and
the
last
thing
they
want
to
do
is
cross
the
cycle
track.
So
I'm
missing
something
or
honor
I,
don't
understand,
it
seems
like
the
cycle
track
should
be
on
the
outside.
P
K
K
L
I'm
just
thinking
pedestrians,
no
matter
what
you're
doing
whether
shop
you
can
sitting
eating
doing
whatever
and
bikes
or
you
know
it
just
it
just
seemed
that
way
and
medley
I,
don't
completely
understand
everything
here,
but
it's
just
seem
to
make
more
sense
that
way.
There's
a
5-pound
of
the
burger
and
then
I
decided
I
wanted
to
walk
in.
You
know
we'll
get
a
nice
something
I
stepped
across
spent.
Flour
would
like
something
like
Scott
running
aimlessly
recreation.
K
L
K
R
R
R
R
Part
of
the
intent
of
trying
to
create
some
of
that
separation
in
this
case
further
over.
That's
part
of
why
we're
people
trying
to
identify
what
is
gonna,
be
best
solution
to
still
maintain
that
separation
between
the
different
three
different
user
types,
while
still
maintaining
the
flow
of
usability,
all
the
other
components
in
it.
So
we
had
considered
that
previously.
R
P
B
P
This
consulting
with
Mendel
and
his
comment
was:
we
ought
to
look
at
flipping
that
I'm
really
deferring
to,
because
he
knows
far
more
about
this
than
I
do.
This
is
what
we
brought
to
you
tonight
and
am
I
married
boy.
This
is
just
really
I
felt
strongly
how
this
you
know,
if
that's
something
that
you
feel
the
comments
from
the
public
and
respect
Bemelmans
opinion
that
we
want
to
flip
back.
That
would
you
do
that?
That's
again
part
of
the
purpose.
It
really
that
purpose
of
me
having
this
conversation
with
you.
L
E
L
P
L
P
N
P
Sit
across
from
a
minute,
I
didn't
want
to
bring
this
up
to
see
people
it's
designed
this
bike
community,
because
there
really
are
a
dozen
different
ways
that
are
probably
acceptable:
you're,
always
changing
a
little
bit
off
but
and
wanted
to
take
some
whatever
feedback.
You
have
and
then
go
back
to
some
of
the
experts,
some
of
the
experts
at
Horrocks
that
helped
us
with
these
and
saying,
let's
try
to
put
together
the
detail
that
matches
the
best.
I
S
P
Is
good-sized,
but
a
lot
of
it
is
again
neutral
we're
trying
to
create
a
gathering
in
there's
going
to
be
trees
all
over
down
there.
So
if
you
got
trees
and
just
walkability,
people
will
be
out
there,
you
know
interacting,
so
you
know
I
feel
it's
the
right
thing.
I
feel
good
about
it.
It
is
like
sure,
but
again
that's
getting
crushed
a
lot
of
leading
character
of
what
this
downtown
urban
core
would
be,
that
place
for
a
lot
of
good
neat
things
to
happen
to
take
like
park
benches.
F
Do
you
know
the
cross-section
anything
that
looks
like
this
I
understand,
we're
not
extras.
I
think
this
for
what
the
matter
it
is,
but
you
look
at
that.
You
look
at
the
highest
best
use
of
land
and
my
question
has
long-term
vision.
What's
going
to
have
polarity,
we
talked
about
270
pocket
and
it's
going
to
where
their
money
gonna
come
from
intentions,
team,
snowplow,.
F
P
P
It
depends
again
on
you
know:
a
lot
of
things
can
be
measured
like
if
this
builds
out
of
that
businesses
that
all
up
and
down
they're,
just
absolutely
frightened,
no
question
about
there
shouldn't
be
big
benefit
there.
Other
things,
maybe
in
terms
of
this
being
said
about
having
time
to
fight
back,
but
those
are
all
things
that
we,
the
council,
should
take
into
consideration
when
you're
approving
this
one
of
the
point
is:
is
that
absolutely
there
is
maintenance
involved
here?
F
Talked
about
the
council,
a
dream:
we've
got
four
four
sections
of
sidewalk
and
the
other
part
of
town.
We
can't
he
talked
to
the
business
owner
nation
since
a
joke
that
there,
our
budget
is
$100,000
a
year.
So
if
you're
going
to
go,
spend
all
this
on
concrete
for
a
new
development
from
developers-
and
we
told
a
critic
residents
that
don't
have
sight
left
in
schools
and.
F
About
sidewalk
there
he
stood,
you
couldn't
see
underneath
the
sidewalk,
because
the
roots
of
the
tree
there
isn't
it's
so
high.
So
one
of
the
things
that
I'm
struggling
with
to
try
to
balance
and
that's
maybe
to
finance
kinda
need
supplements
going
man.
That's
great!
That's
wonderful,
but
we
got
a
lot
of
issues
and
when
we
have
a
finite
amount
of
resources
to
be
able
to
utilize
and.
P
If
I
could
just
respond
at
everything,
you
said
it's
a
very
much
a
concern.
We
particularly
whose
get
it
it
was
starting
to
gain
insight
wise
and
we
have
a
lot
of
needs
and
we
do
have
limited
resources.
It's
something
that
I
think
we're
trying
to
work
through.
My
goal
is
over
the
next
couple
years
to
really
try
maintaining
our
sidewalks.
Then
we
have
in
the
past
and
just
the
only
last
thing
to
stay.
P
Sorry
if
it
was
sounding
like
that
perfect
on
the
same
point,
but
decisions
we
make
out
here
in
terms
of
what
the
nature
and
characters
to
feel
is
is
going
to
be
a
direct
driver
in
terms
of
what
businesses
and
residents
we
get
in
here.
Yeah.
These
things
come
in
and
generate
a
little
bit
of
money
or
things
that
are.
P
F
P
Q
N
P
Sorry
about
the
whole,
no!
No,
if
they
look
at
it,
I'd
be
happy
to
pull
up.
We
could
look
at
some
of
the
other
ones
of
the
more
residential
Aires.
They
look
different
than
this
and
that's
a
lot
of
what
we
looked
at
life
like
why,
when
you
see
them
even
these
from
our
South
Road
see
receipt,
they
change
color
at
this
location,
which
means
they're
changing
what
kind
of
load
it
is.
It
changes
his
room.
It
changes
its
cross
section.
N
P
P
C
P
C
F
C
N
P
I
I
P
P
E
F
So
I
think
it's
great
to
say:
hey.
This
could
possibly
happen,
but
we
gotta
get
down
to
brass
tacks
and
said:
what's
there
to
protect
us
right
because
I
don't
think
that's
the
right
answer
to
say
they
can
create
business
like
Joey.
The
answer
is
Stacy's
question
right
now
the
code
says
its
responsibility,
decisions
and
glass.
They
decide
to
create
eventually
right.
P
F
I
J
P
T
I
C
L
C
L
L
Corporations
there,
along
dinner,
every
one
of
them
have
signed
their
name
that
are
in
a
building.
They
sign
their
name
and
they
want
change.
So
is
it
our
purview
to
say
well
we're
smarter
than
you
and
we
don't
believe
we
had
to
change
the
rule
to
get
happening.
The
bottom
one
cry
I'm,
not
that
smart
I'm
really
not
that's.