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Apopka City Council Budget Workshop for Fiscal Year 2021/2022 at City Hall on July 19, 2021 at 5 PM. This meeting will cover Public Safety and Information Technology.
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A
Call
the
2021
budget
presentation
to
order.
Commissioner,
banks
will
say
the
prayer
and
the
pledge
please.
B
Heavenly
father
we
come
before
you
tonight
and
we
thank
you
that
you've
given
us
the
responsibility
to
oversee
the
fiscal
needs
of
this
city.
We
just
ask
for
wisdom
tonight,
lord.
We
ask
that
you
would
give
clarity
to
those
that
are
presenting,
so
we
can
get
the
big
picture
and
make
the
right
decision.
B
C
C
Our
vision
statement,
of
course,
is
to
provide
the
best
all
hazards
all
risk
emergency
response
within
the
community,
an
established
standard
of
care
for
the
citizens,
visitors
and
stakeholders.
My
mission
statement's
a
little
lengthier,
but
goes
into.
Basically
we
exist
and
to
care
for
protect
and
to
serve
our
community.
So
something
we
hold
very
dearly.
C
Last
year
you
can
see
our
call
volume
actually
in
2020
went
down
a
little
bit.
That
was
a
pretty
typical
for
the
covid
here.
The
nationwide
average
actually
dropped
about
20
percent.
C
We
saw
about
8
reduction
in
call
volume,
but,
as
you
can
see,
based
on
each
one,
it's
and
it's
pretty
hard
to
see
there,
but
it's
kind
of
breakdown
per
station
station
one
is
still
leaning.
On
top
all.
D
E
Well,
isn't
the
purpose
of
us
having
the
same
presentation.
E
Okay,
I
guess
you're
gonna
have
to
go
ahead,
but
in
the
future,
if
they're
presenting
something,
can
you
please
make
a
copy
for
us
yeah.
G
F
A
couple
departments
that
are
still
working
on
it,
but
what
we
can
do
is
well
as
soon
as
they
complete
them.
We'll
have
them,
give
them
to
you
so
tomorrow,
we'll
have
public
works,
should
be
they're
still
dialing
up
some
of
theirs,
but
we'll
have
them,
give
them
out
to
you
before
as
soon
as
they're
done
with
them.
C
Okay,
so
again,
the
next
slide
just
shows
the
breakdown
as
far
as
percentages
per
station
basically
station
one
is
running:
8.04
calls
per
shift
station,
2,
3.8
station
3,
3.4
station
4,
3.01
station
5,
3.04
and
station
6.77.
That's
calls
per
shift.
That
is
including
fire
and
ems
calls
throughout
the
year
2020.,
and
you
can
see
here
based
on
our
trend
for
this
year.
C
24
hours,
okay,
yes,
sir,
our
trend
so
far
this
year,
45
100
calls
in
about
six
months,
so
we're
trending
again
to
back
go
back
to
about
where
we
normally
should
be
for
our
normal
growth
rate,
so
about
nine
thousand
calls
a
year
effective
january
1st
of
2020.
One
thing
we
wanted
to
implement
as
well
is
began
reporting
all
of
our
incidents
to
national
fire
incident
reporting
system
before
we
were
actually
reporting
all
of
our
fire
calls,
but
our
ems
calls
were
not
going
directly
to
that
system.
C
This
is
actual
report
from
last
year
that
is
put
out
by
the
state
of
florida
each
year
to
show
the
2019
ems,
fire
and
ems
accounts,
and
you
can
see
down
here
and
then
highlighted
in
yellow
last
year
we
were
ranked
154th
in
the
state,
something
we
knew
was
not
correct.
You
know
we
knew
we
were
running
more
than
the
819
ems
calls
it
was
showing.
So
we
want
to
make
sure
that
we
we
made
sure
that
was
correct
in
2019.
C
We're
53rd
overall
in
fire
calls.
So
that's
something
that
was
reported
correctly.
So,
with
our
update
this
year
and
reporting
correctly,
you
can
see
that
our
call
volume
has
gone
up
to
now
number
57th
in
the
state,
almost
100,
you
know
ranking
change
as
far
as
ems,
we're
still
working
on
making
sure
that
all
100
of
our
reports
are
getting
reported
to
that
system.
What's
important
about
this,
is
it
helps
us
with
grants?
It
helps
us
with
our
trends,
our
tracking
things
like
that,
and
you
can
see
even
our
fire
calls
have
gone.
C
We
went
down
a
little
bit
and
ranked,
but
that's
that
just
ebbs
and
flows
as
far
as
as
normal
operation.
So
again,
this
is
the
2020
year
fun
fact
again,
our
busiest
day
is
still
wednesdays,
just
kind
of
interesting
fact
there,
our
busiest
times
of
the
day
between
nine
o'clock
in
the
morning
and
about
eight
o'clock
at
night.
You
can
see
some
of
the
trends
there
again.
Iso
and
aha
guidelines
are
still
are,
are
what
we're
aiming
to
get.
C
First,
two
arriving
apparatus
established
iso's
standard
is
5.5
minutes
to
90
of
our
confirmed
working
fires,
iso
measures
just
that
confirmed
working
fires,
a
second
apparatus
within
9.5
minutes,
90
of
the
time
and
again
just
as
important
aha
guidelines.
We
want
to
make
sure
that
we're
getting
to
our
patients
within
that
four
to
six
minute
time
frame
and
help
save
lives,
save
brain,
save
heart,
same
save
all
the
stuff
ems
deals
with.
C
So
what
is
response
time?
There's
something
a
lot
of
times
is
a
question.
That's
asked
basically
response
time
for
fire
department
is
turnout,
time
versus
travel
time,
so
turnout
time
is
the
time
that
the
tones
go
off
of
the
station
or
we're
alerted
the
actual
time.
We
go
responding
in
the
truck
so
a
lot
of
times.
That's
that's
measured
as
well.
C
Our
average
turnout
time
for
the
fire
department
last
year
was
one
minute
and
15
seconds
so
the
time
the
tones
get
off
to
the
time
they're
actually
exiting
responding
going
to
the
call
is
a
minute
and
15
seconds
our
average
response
time.
Fire
and
ems
is
4
minutes
and
52
seconds.
Our
overall
response
time
is
4
minutes
and
52
seconds.
C
This
is
our
current
response
area
station,
one
through
six,
as
well
as
our
county
contract
area.
These
next
few
maps,
you're
gonna,
see
here
I
got
with
mike
zuber
with
public
services.
I
wanted
to
really
look
at
how
we
are
responding
where
we're
responding
to
our
time
frames
where
we're
at
as
far
as
the
overall
picture.
E
E
E
E
C
So
again,
the
first
first
few
maps
are
for
each
station.
You're
gonna
see
2
a.m,
which
is
our
you
know
what
we
assume
is
going
to
be
the
easiest
time
to
travel
along
the
road.
Your
next
time,
you're
going
to
see
is
5
p.m.
So
each
map
is
going
to
actually
break
that
down
per
station.
C
C
As
you
can
see,
when
we
adjust
for
the
traffic
flow
that
actually
shrinks
down,
because
we
can
get
out,
we
can
get
less
further
out
with
our
response
times
and
things
like
that.
So
this
is
some
a
tool
that
we
like
to
use
to
track
their
station
two
two
a.m:
station:
two
at
five
pm
station:
three:
two
a.m:.
G
C
C
So
and
then
station
again
station
three
at
five
pm
station
four
at
two
a.m
and
you're
going
to
see
like
I
said,
a
lot
of
that.
The
response
time
is
going
to
shrink
down
because
we
can
get
less
further
out
with
the
with
that
traffic
travel
station
five
again
at
two
a.m.
G
C
What
are
we,
what
are
we
saying
on
these
well
and
then
the
big
thing
we
want
to
show
you
with
station
six
coming
up,
is
you
know
the
need
for
the
move
and
also
the
you
know
the
road
extension
harbor
road
extension?
How
that's
gonna
benefit
us,
but
we're
looking
at
these.
Even
you
know,
station
five
sitting
here,
there's
not
a
lot
of
green.
You
know
there
are
certain
places.
C
You
know
when
we
look
at
where
we're
studying
to
put
a
station,
we
want
to
make
sure
that
we're
putting
it
in
the
most
adequate
spot.
Are
we
going
to
be
able
to
travel
to
these
places
and
we
look
at
station
one,
for
instance,
a
lot
of
green,
a
lot
of
coverage
area
and
reduces
down
again.
That's
just
the
estimate
we're
trying
to
reach
okay.
What
can
we
do?
What
can
we
change?
Add
subtract.
E
Exactly
I
know
that
different
stations,
different
fire
houses,
have
different
trucks
that
are
stationed
in
there.
So
like
you're,
not
really
I
mean
you're
telling
me
station
three,
which
is,
if
you
have
an
ems
call,
is
the
fire
truck
an
ems
truck
coming
out
of
there
or
is
it
coming
out
of
five
or
is
it
coming
out
of
one,
because
I
know
that
there's
different
trucks
in
different
station
houses?
So
I
don't.
I
don't
understand
what
this
is
trying
to
tell
me
this.
C
These
response
areas
are
in
response
are
just
basically
solely
based
on
time.
Whatever
apparatus
is
coming
out,
we
want
to
see
where
we
can
travel
to
where
we
can't
travel
to
and
if
we
need
to
make
adjustments,
so
it
doesn't
really
have
to
do
with
specific
apparatus.
Again,
it's
just
our
response
times.
C
C
Again
station
four
station:
five,
some
differences
station,
six
you
can
see
which
is
located
in
the
southwest
area
there
at
2am
and
also
at
5
p.m,
in
its
current
location
on
city
hospital
property.
One
thing
we
want
to
look
at
when
we're
looking
to
put
the
permanent
station
is:
where
is
it
going
to
go?
C
Where
can
we
get
our
best
bang
for
our
buck
pretty
much
and
by
adding
in
mr
zoo,
was
able
to
add
in
actually
the
harman
road
extension
to
part
of
the
algorithm
that
goes
through
as
well
and
by
adding
in
the
move
from
where
it
currently
is
to
across
the
street
and
at
harman
road
extension.
We've
exponentially
increased
our
green
area
for
station
six,
so
I
guess
all
this
was
kind
of
to
show
you
that
there's
a
reason
there's
a
method
to
madness.
We
want
to
look
at
some
of
this
data.
C
We
are
still
in
iso
one
it's
a
number
of
one
of
43
in
the
state
of
florida,
also
one
of
411
in
the
united
states,
which
still
puts
us
not
top
point
eight
percent
of
the
country.
C
Again
I
presented
this
last
year.
This
is
something
else.
Last
year
in
fba,
every
five
years
they
put
out
a
study
based
on
some
of
the
data
and
research
they've
done
throughout
throughout
the
years
and
some
of
this
stuff
here.
So
when
we
look
at
the
last
five
years
talking
about
career
fire
departments,
rate
of
fire,
firefighters
per
thousand
in
population
last
five
year,
average
was
one
point:
seven,
zero,
four
firefighters
per
thousand.
C
We
also
look
at
there's
a
couple.
You
know
there's
a
bunch
of
different
statistics.
It
gives
us,
but
in
our
population
range
50
to
almost
100
000,
based
on
a
56-hour
work
week
and
kind
of
understand
how
that
works.
Our
firefighters
work
three
three
shifts
one
week
and
then
two
shifts
the
following
two
weeks.
So
when
you
take
those
hours,
72
48
hours,
48
hours
and
your
average
was
out,
it
gives
us
a
56
hour
work
week.
So
that's
when
you
hear
the
term
it's
based
off
of
56
hour
work
week.
C
That
gives
us
our
metric
to
look
at
over
there.
The
average
firefighter
per
capita
is
one
point
almost
1.4
for
that
size
and
that
range
as
far
as
that
goes.
Where
are
we
currently
sitting
again?
This
is
the
most
up-to-date
information
from
our
community
development,
a
population
of
53
000,
almost
three
and
a
half
35
and
a
half
square
miles.
C
Our
population
density
is
about
1509,
have
a
total
of
107
personnel,
which
gives
us
right
around
1.99,
firefighters
per
thousand
three,
almost
three
firefighters
per
mile
or
one
firefighter
for
every
501
population.
C
So
this
year
again
I
caught
up.
I
called
all
the
surrounding
area
chiefs
and
pulled
them
to
see
about
where
we're
at
compared
to
the
rest
of
the
area.
As
you
can
see,
ocoee
averaged
about
1.41
per
thousand
winter
garden
about
1.37
maitland's
2.44
winter
park.
2.46
orange
county
is
1.54
and
orlando
is
1.96.
C
Now
also
we
want
to
remember
that
we
also
cover
the
orange
county
area.
You
know,
so
we
add
that
in
as
well.
We
took
the
number
when
we
first
took
over
a
couple
years
ago,
which
is
about
4
600
people
in
that
area
apply
the
same
sort
of
logic
we
apply,
which
actually
their
number
of
people
per
resident
or
per
household
is
actually
lower
than
ours.
But
I
just
went
ahead
and
applied
our
you
know
our
rate
to
give
us
about
5
000
in
growth
in
that
area.
C
So
we
have
an
additional
5
000.
again,
when
you
add
the
area
that
almost
doubles,
you
saw
that
that
picture
before
that
doubles
almost
our
response
area,
so
our
our
population
density
goes
to
go
down.
You
know
again
our
rates
per
citizens
compared
to
all
the
other
departments
out
there.
C
I
think
the
biggest
thing
here
that
I
get
from
this
is:
I
want
to
maintain
that
close
to
two
per
thousand
population,
not
just
today,
but
moving
forward
in
the
future,
and
that's
something
you
know.
I
think
that
we
aim
to
iso
aside
all
the
other
stuff
aside.
This
is
you
know
this
is
a
good
metric
to
kind
of
measure
us
by
something
else.
With
this
again
based
on
the
population,
we
have
our
total
pumpers.
They
talk
about
us,
other
suppression,
vehicles,
aerial
apparatus
and
stations
per
thousand
population.
C
Can
we
look
at
all
those
based
on
our
our
population,
we're
supposed
to
have
a
little
more
than
four
stations
right
now
we
have
six
also
as
far
as
apparatus,
our
support
apparatus
we're
doing
well
too,
the
aerial
area
apparatus.
C
You
know
it's
kind
of
hints
for
the
next
couple
years.
I
do
see
a
need
for
a
second
tower
truck
in
the
next
three
to
five
years,
based
on
adding
station
seven
and
things
like
that.
So
it's
definitely
things
are
coming
down
the
pipe
but
station
wise.
We're
certainly
healthy
one
of
the
things
where
we
want
to
look
at
when
we
look
at
some
of
our
densities,
and
things
like
that
is
we're
very
unique.
C
We
cover
a
35
square
mile
area
with
us
with
the
population
about
the
same
size.
It
was
to
to
coe
there's
three
or
four
thousand
difference
there,
but
it's
spread
out.
It's
very
unique.
You
know
we
have
a
lot
of
other
municipalities.
Maitland,
for
instance,
is
six
square
miles,
but
they
have
a
lot
of
people
in
that
very
dense
area.
So
it's
kind
of
how
we
look
at
some
of
our
modeling
things
like
that.
C
Just
go
quickly
over
some
of
our
revenue.
We
talked
about
reasons
why
we're
talking
about
this
is
we
want
to?
We
want
to
show
that
we're
trying
to
do
the
best
we
can
make
do
what
we
can
to
make,
because
we
know
we
know
fire
trucks
are
not
cheap.
C
You
know,
so
personnel
are
not
cheap.
You
know,
there's
things
that
we're
going
to
be
asking
for
in
the
future.
So
last
year
with
change
healthcare,
we
did
build
calls
five
a
little
over
five
thousand
bill
calls
about.
1.5
million
dollars.
C
Sure
so,
anytime,
we
run
a
911
call.
Ems
related
call
if
they
go
out
and
it's
something
that
the
insurance
companies
or
it's
a
billable
call.
In
other
words,
we
transported
someone
taken
the
hospital
if
we
get
a
refusal
or
anything
like
that,
or
if
it's
an
assist
or
something
like
that,
we
don't
technically
build
those
calls.
C
It's
also
stuff
that
actually,
what
is
allowed
to
be
built
at
certain
times
where,
if
believe
it
or
not,
if
paperwork's
filled
out
incorrectly
or
things
like
that,
it's
a
vetting
process
that
that
our
billing
company
goes
through,
and
this
is
our
end
result.
So
out
of
the
8
000,
some
odd
calls
we
were
able
to
bill
for
five
about
5700,
which
is
pretty
good.
You
know,
80
80,
20
split
with
ems
calls
as
a
whole.
You
know
we're
sitting
so.
C
Oh
yeah,
any
any
car
rendered,
even
if
it's
on
scene
or
if
we
do
transport
any
any
of
that
care
is
considered
available
and
it
goes
into
different.
So
if
it's
a
bls
patient,
in
other
words,
a
not
so
critical
patient,
that's
where
you
see
that
those
bls
numbers
come
from
so
so
we
had
out
of
that
5000
we
billed
for
22
about
2200
dls
calls.
E
C
Of
how
you
build
yes,
ma'am
last
year
we
actually
was
brought
to
council
and
they
approved
the
different
billable
thresholds
in
there
and
all
what
what
counts
for
what
there's
bls
there's
als
one
als
ii
depending
on
the
severity,
so
there's
actually
different
thresholds
are
different.
For
instance,
we
start
an
iv,
that's
considered
als
one.
If
we
could
push
drugs,
that's
considered,
als2
and
then
depending
on
which
drug
it
gets
a
it's
a
scalable
thing.
So.
C
Stub
toe
sprained
ankle.
You
know
something
where
we
don't
have
to
provide
that
advanced.
You
know
not.
There's
no
airway
support,
there's.
No
anything
like
that.
A
C
Yeah
yeah,
so,
basically,
with
our
we
found
that
was
one
of
the
things
with
our
old
billing
company
we
found
out
that
was
actually
reversed.
C
We
found
that
the
the
bls
calls
were
actually
more
in
the
60
range
and
the
als
calls
were
on
the
40
range
when
you
look
at
a
national
average
when
you're
looking
at
an
ems
billing
company.
This
is
more
correct.
This
is
what
one
one
of
the
kind
of
learning
things
we
noticed
with
that.
So
you
know
the
good
thing
with
change.
We
was
being
the
good
change,
would
change
so.
E
C
So
if
we
would
have
billed
the
past,
however
many
years
in
the
same
threshold,
you
know
last
time,
I
believe
it
was
close
to
750
000
in
2018-ish.
Now,
we've
you
know
one
year
changed.
We
went
up
to
1.5
million,
so
there's
a
lot
of
deb
depending
on
again
we
get
a
lot
more
for
an
als
call
than
we
do
a
bls
call.
C
We're
trying
to
yeah,
okay,
sorry
2021
again,
this
is
kind
of
the
year
to
date
for
a
whole,
fiscal
or
I'm
sorry,
whole
calendar
year.
So
far
this
year,
we've
built
about
4
500,
calls
again
same
same
number
percentage-wise.
It's
we're
about
1.2
million
with
those
numbers
right
now.
C
C
E
C
C
Yeah,
so
not
necessarily
under
this,
because
again,
this
is
all
just
in
the
insurance
companies
that
bill
they're.
Just
it's
a
it
doesn't
matter
if
you're
having
a
heart
attack
or
your
covet
patient,
you
know
if
we're
rendering
care
we're
still
going
to
build
those
patients
based
on
that
type
of
that
level
of
care.
We're
trying
to
provide
so.
C
Us
to
do
is
it
benefits
us
because
we're
allowed
to
put
in
for
some
federal
dollars
and
state
dollars
on
a
different
program.
That's
our
pemt
and
our
pemt
mco,
which
is
the
program
that
allows
us
to
kind
of
recoup
some
of
that
money
as
far
as
providing
because
we're
a
medicaid
or
a
medicare
provider.
If
that
makes
sense,
okay,
it's
very
complex.
I
did
a
presentation
last
year
on
it,
I'd
be
happy
to
sit
down
and
kind
of
it's.
It's
would.
E
You
I
would
appreciate
that
only
because,
if
we're
sitting
here
to
do
a
budget,
I'd
like
to
at
least
have
some
more
specifics,
be.
E
G
C
C
G
C
G
Yeah,
I
guess
what
I'm
asking
is
that
you
know
obviously
build
calls
turn
into
revenue
right
and,
if
we're
trending
down,
is
there
a
concern
that
we're
going
to
not
get
as
much
revenue
from
these
build
calls?
But
if
you're
saying
that,
if
we
were
to
look,
if
we
were
at
the
end
of
2021-
and
we
said
calendar
year,
2021,
it
might
be
closer
to
on
par
with
5
700
calls.
In
your
last
lesson,
I
believe
that,
yes,
is
that
the
trend
that
you're
so
5700
calls
out
of
the
I
think
for
2020
or
2021.
G
C
D
C
Know
around
around
those
numbers
again,
I
we
can't
predict
calls
but
that
about
what
we're
looking
at
another
thing
again,
our
orange
county
contract,
something
we
look
at
every
year.
Last
year,
in
the
contract
area,
there
was
a
236
million
dollars
of
taxable
values
out
there,
the
mstus
for
orange
county
that
here
this
year
there
and
again
it
gets
confusing
with
this,
because
their
fiscal
year
is
it's
different
than
ours,
it's
july
through
july.
So
when
we
look
at
that
sort
of
thing,
but
the
the
rate.
F
C
It's
a
2.24
for
that,
ms
to
use
for
that
year,
so
that
gives
us
our
531
thousand
dollars.
We
got
this
year
which
we
want.
You
know
that's
a
hundred
percent.
We
were
able
to
get
that
with
our
with
our
contract
and
with.
A
C
So
now
getting
into
kind
of
the
nuts
and
bolts.
What
I
want
to
do
is
run
through
the
continuational
budget
and
then
go
through
our
requests
after
that,
if
everyone
is
good
with
that,
so
you'll
see
3100
professional
services,
there's
nothing
on
that
slide
getting
in
the
fire
chiefs.
I
was
I'm
sorry.
I
skipped
ahead
of
myself.
One
thing
we
do
in
the
chief's
office
want
to
make
sure
we're
looking
at
processes.
We
look
at
trends,
purchasing
things
like
that,
making
sure
that
we're
doing
everything
correctly
so
again.
C
The
first
slide
is
for
the
four
thousand
lines
to
send
our
personnel
to
our
eso
seminar.
Every
year,
you're
gonna
see
we
increased
it
by
one
person
this
year,
we're
gonna,
send
we
send
chief
bowman
chief
howell
and
chief
sanchez
to
that
seminar
each
year,
so
it
updates.
C
That
is
so
eso
is
our
reporting
program
we
use
for
our
fire
and
ems
reporting
our
on
our
computers,
these
seminars,
anything
that
we
increase.
As
far
as
our
we
add
hydrants,
if
we
add
pre-plants
things
like
that,
those
those
three
gentlemen
go
and
learn,
and
it's
just
an
educational
seminar
to
learn
how
to
use
the
system
better.
What's
the
latest
and
greatest
is
coming
out
of
it
and
things
like.
E
C
Then,
chief
howell
would
do
all
kinds
of
different
components
of
it.
Really
him
and
chief
bowman
split
and.
C
E
C
And
then
the
conference
you'll
see
there
the
capcom
catgo,
those
are
all
again
the
compliance
certifications,
which
is
for
specifically
for
chief
sanchez
again,
those
are
things
for
hipaa
compliancy
and
also
our
billing
compliancy.
So
those
are
requirements
and
also
added
is
our
engine.
4
final
inspection,
it's
going
to
take
place
in
south
dakota
later
this
year.
E
C
Last
things
before
we
accept
it
is
to
travel
up
to
where
it
is
produced
and
go
through
it
with
a
fine
tooth
and
comb
pretty
much
to
make
sure
that
we're
getting
exactly
what
we
asked
for
all
their
specs
and
different
other.
C
E
Okay,
this
is
all
interesting
to
me.
Okay,
sure.
C
4100
you'll,
you
see
nothing.
4200
is
just
our
normal
freight
and
postage
we're
trending
the
same
that
way.
So
it's
nothing
significant
with
that
also
4
300
utilities
we're
trending
the
same
with
that.
That
includes
all
of
our
utilities.
Four
station,
all
six
stations,
no
changes
there,
4400
rentals
and
leases.
Again.
This
is
our
copier
lease
and
also
our
temporary
housing
station
six.
This
is
our
second
year
of
our
agreement
with
them
for
to
remain
at
the
23
160,
and
that
includes
all
of
our
utilities.
C
With
that,
you
also
see
4
500,
there's
nothing
4
600,
it's
just
our
normal
repair
and
maintenance
paintings
such
around
the
admin
office,
we're
trending
the
same
there.
So
1500
is
about
the
same
vehicle
maintenance
4650
again
with
charlie,
were
for
the
staff
vehicles.
Again,
these
are
just
the
fire
staff
vehicles.
That's
trending
around
around
the
2500
as
well,
something
we
added
in
the
4700
line.
We
had
our
stationary
in
there
this
year,
we've
started
sending
home
an
internal
newsletter.
C
We
named
it
smoke
signals
it's
kind
of
something
that
goes
out
to
our
firefighters,
to
give
them
air
recorder
to
see.
What's
going
on
with
departments
some
announcements
and
things
like
that,
we
wanted
to
come
up
with
ways
that
we
can
communicate
with
through
cobit.
You
know
a
lot
of
times
it's
hard.
We
did
some.
C
You
know
zoom
stuff
and
things
like
that,
but
it's
just
kind
of
a
nice
thing
that
we've
got
that
everyone
seems
to
enjoy
office
supplies
again
we're
training
around
the
same
around
six
thousand
for
fifty
one
hundred.
Fifty
two
hundred
again,
the
only
thing
we
added
there
was
a
annual
award
ceremony,
something
we
haven't
been
able
to
do
in
the
past
couple
years.
So
lieutenant
mayor
really
wants
to
take
advantage
of
that.
C
So
that's
under
40
5200
fuel
we're
trending
the
same
5250
5400,
that's
our
annual
subscription
for
chief
bowman,
and
so
he
can
look
up
codes
and
things
like
that.
So
that's
that's
around
the
same
for
that
55
100,
nothing
for
now
and
6
300
infrastructure,
nothing!
So
any
questions
thus
far
on
the
fire
chief's
office.
E
E
E
C
C
Or
the
same,
I
just
skipped:
2120
suppression,
again,
3100,
there's
nothing
3400,
there's
nothing!
C
C
It
did
reopen
earlier
part
of
this
year.
I
believe
in
may
so
they're
accepting
applications
at
this
time.
This
allows
for
us
to
reimburse
further
meals
any
other
incidentals.
G
Just
as
it
relates
to
training,
I
know
that
there's
some
in
the
other
fund
just
when
we
get
to
that
point
just
if
we
can
pause
and
talk
about
it,
because
there's
there's
a
larger
pool
of
funds
over
on
the
ems
side
right.
I
just
wanted
to
understand
the
difference
between
suppression
that
fund
sure,
okay,.
C
Absolutely
4100
there's
nothing
4
200
of
freight
in
postage,
there's
nothing
everything
again
remember
from
last
year
I
transferred
everything
over
to
the
fire
chief's
office.
44S,
rentals,
45,
nothing,
there,
4,
600,
repair
and
maintenance
building
on
equipment
for
suppression
has
definitely
gone
up.
Some
we
had
to
in
bunker
gear
repairs,
we've
seen
an
uptick
in
that
some
of
our
trends.
We
are,
as
you
know,
we're
buying
a
second
set
of
gear
for
every
firefighter.
That's
out
there.
C
Nfpa
changed
1936,
which
is
rescue
tools
they're
actually
now
requiring
that
we
inspect
all
of
our
high
pressure
and
low
pressure
air
bags.
So
that's
something
we
had
to
add
to
this
line:
seb,
scba,
repair
and
maintenance.
Remember
of
last
year,
when
we
we're
very
fortunate,
you
guys
allowed
us
to
purchase
the
remainder
of
those
that
we
definitely
significantly
went
down
from
last
year
to
this
year.
As
far
as
that,
something
else
we're
looking
at
is
replacing
all
of
our
ipad
for
our
vehicle
vehicle
mounted
ipad
mounts.
C
G
On
on
that
fund,
too,
I
noticed
on
the
breakout.
You
know,
there's
like
25k,
for
unexpected
repairs.
Is
this
the
only
location
where
would
these
be
general
repair
and
maintenance
items
for
each
of
this
fire
station
would
be
covered
in
this
fund?.
C
Yeah,
I
know
there's
we
have
some
there,
so
this
is
more
for,
like
chief
bowman
help
is
a
big
part
of
our
facilities.
C
So
if
he
sees
something
that
needs
to
be
taken
care
of
out
of
ours,
but
also
now
that
we
have
our
facilities,
you
know
joe
with
our
facilities,
he's
been
helping
out
a
lot.
So
a
lot
of
those
can
come
from
both
sides,
but
this
is
kind
of
a
quick
for
us
that
we
were
able
to
do
some
of
that
stuff.
So
again,
some
of
the
carpet
and
stuff
we're
talking
about.
C
C
I'm
sorry
46.50
our
vehicle
maintenance,
that's
one
of
those
funds.
We,
you
know
it
seems
high,
but
we
want
to
make
sure
that
we
keep
that
about
the
same
again.
It
always
seems
to
happen
at
the
end
of
deer.
Just
recently,
we've
had
to
replace
and
fix
engine
four
and
then
striping
as
well.
So
that's
something
we
like
to
keep
in
place.
4700,
there's
nothing!
Under
that
48.50
prs.
C
We
did
go
up
about
3
000
dollars.
You
know
this
year.
Lieutenant
mayor
did
a
fantastic
job
with
afd
tv
and
programs
like
that
also
increasing
our
camps.
That
was
the
only
thing
that
staff
was
really
wanting
to
do
so.
C
We
were
able
to
take
care
of
that
with
a
slight
increase
for
the
coming
up
here.
So,
of
course,
it's
something
very
important.
4903
is
not
in
there.
The
5200
line
and
you're
going
to
see
this
in
both
ems
and
in
fire
prices
have
gone
up.
You
know
you
know
post
covid,
you
know
knock
on
wood
post,
coveted
things
like
that.
C
We're
seeing
some
of
the
changes
and
and
trends
again
that
we
want
to
make
sure
that
we're
taking
care
of
so
our
polo
shirts
cancer,
shirts
things
like
that
are
all
about
the
same.
We
went
up
two
thousand
dollars
and
our
bunker
boots.
We
seem
to
kind
of
we
look
at
our
safety
committee
and
things
like
that.
We
want
to
track
trends
and
one
of
the
things
that
happened
without
some
of
our
boots,
we
noticed
were
falling
apart.
C
It
was
seemed
to
be
a
particular
brand,
so
we
added
a
little
bit
more
money
this
year.
To
kind
of
you
know,
replace
those
as
we
see
fit,
ppe
as
a
whole.
We
went
up
a
thousand
dollars
just
based
on
our
trends,
big
thing
in
their
hazmat
and
that's
why
I
kind
of
named
it
top
b
kit,
so
there's
different
level
of
hazmat
kits
that
when
we
respond
to
hazmat
scenes
and
our
b
kit
was
one-
that's
been
needed
to
be
in
place
for
a
while.
C
So
it's
actually
for
a
bigger
drum
size,
there
there's
different
sizes,
a
b
and
c
kits
you
can
deal
with
so
that
we
needed
to
replace.
That's
ten
thousand
dollars.
We
had
it
in
there.
We
went
up
on
our
fighting
foam
just
because
of
the
cost,
hoses
and
nozzles
as
well,
and
then
bunker
gear
replacement.
We
added
an
enough
again:
it's
our
trending
thing.
We're
going
to
do
each
year
is
replace
firefighter
gear
every
year,
so
everyone's
on
a
cycle
to
replace
it
every
five
years.
C
So
that
way,
hopefully
within
three
or
four
years
from
now
everyone's
going
to
have
a
second
set
and
also
for
attrition
and
things
like
that,.
E
So,
may
I
ask
you
a
question
with
the
gear
if
they
or
if
it's
damaged,
do
they
have
a
backup
or
do
you
have
to
order
one.
C
Well,
so,
if
it's
damaged,
that's
there's
actually
something
there
for
repair,
that's
probably
repair
and
maintenance
as
well.
It's
sent
away,
it's
fixed
a
lot
of
times,
they'll
ship
us
gear
for
them
to
use
temporarily.
But
that's
why
we're
in
the
process
of
getting
everyone
a
second
set
of
gear?
That's
our
five-year
kind
of
program.
I
think
we're
in
year
two
or
three
of
it.
So,
hopefully
again
within
those
next
few
years,
everyone's
going
to
have
a
second
set.
C
Well
again,
if
we
I
need
the
gross
dec
on
it.
You
know
certain
when
we
send
it
away
to
be
clean.
We
also
have
in-house.
We
have
the
like
a
better
word,
big,
washing
machine
that
can
clean
that
stuff.
So
after
post
fires
you'll,
you
know,
if
you
ever
come
in
the
station,
you'll
see
it
running
a
lot
of
times.
You'll
see
their
gear
hanging
to
drive
and
different
things
like
that.
So
we
do
have
certain
things
for
normal,
run-of-the-mill
stuff,
but
if
it's
significant
enough,
you
know
if
it
warrants
it
we'll
dispose
of
it.
C
If
we
have
to,
you
know
that,
but
a
lot
of
times
we're
able
to
clean
and
repair
the
stuff
like
that,
we've
also
actually
established
even
our
new
hires,
a
rental
gear.
So
you
know
the
the
companies
can
actually
send
us
while
we're
waiting.
So
when
we
hire
somebody
a
lot
of
times,
we
have
to
size
them.
It
takes
a
good
while
to
get
their
actual
real
gear,
so
they'll
be
in
temporary
gear
for
a
little
bit.
So
there
are
options
out
there.
Okay,
so.
G
You
you
touched
on
it,
so
it's
saying
that
this
is
the
third
year
of
a
continual
program
to
get
to
the
second
set
of
bunker
years.
So
if
we've
got
107
in
the
in
the
department,
so
I
would
expect
one
more
year
before
we
get
to
100
and
then
seven
more
and
then
you
said
you're
going
to
go
on
a
cycle
every
five
years,
so
like
20
of
the
bunker
gear,
would
be
replaced
every.
G
C
I
just
want
to
get
that
clearer
if,
if
I'm
a
new
firefighter
or
even
an
existing
fire,
we
we
kind
of
did
a
study
to
see
who
needed
gear
sooner
than
later.
C
C
C
So
that's
5200
5250
fuels
the
same
5400
books,
publications.
This
is
something
we
had
a
lot
of
success
with
this
year.
National
testing
network
is
a
company
we
went
with
as
far
as
new
hire
processes
when
we
put
out
when
we
were
hired
this
year,
we
had
over
120
applicants
that
went
through
this
system
and
we
were
able
to
vet
through
the
system.
C
So
it's
a
very
worthy
worthy
network.
Also
it's
widely
used
throughout
central
florida.
So
that's
something
we
want
to
continue
with
that.
Also
in
here
is
our
promotional
testing.
It's
increased
because
we're
going
to
what
I
want
to
do
every
year
is
have
a
promotional
testing
process
every
january,
whether
we
use
a
whole
list
or
not.
I
just
want
to
re-establish
that
every
year,
so.
C
C
I
C
Sorry,
oh
promotionals,
those
those
are
included
as
well.
In
5400.
C
The
6200
there's
nothing
in
there
6400
for
suppression,
again
brush
truck
replacement
again.
That
was
this
is
our
third
year
of
that
again
we're
replacing
the
pump
and
the
decking
on
our
existing
brush
trucks.
Also
something
we
want
to
start
this
year
is
a
scba
bottle
replacement
program.
C
C
C
C
Right,
ems,
3400
again
our
contractual
services
stereocycle,
is
our
local
company
that
gets
rid
of
our
biohazardous
waste,
a
good
thing
with
them.
They
get.
We
get
training
each
year
through
them,
and
it's
our
public
sharp
disposal
as
well
also
our
clinic
so
other
stuff
in
their
striker
protection,
warranties
for
our
monitors
and
as
well
as
our
batteries
are
included
in
this.
C
4
000
again,
there's
no
traveling
per
diem,
4100,
no,
no
communication,
4200
freight
4400
against
our
oxygen
and
cylinder
rentals,
so
our
larger
cascade
systems
located
station
one
and
five
we
actually
rent
those.
C
That's
why
they're
under
rental
leases
about
a
five
percent
increase
in
our
cost
this
year,
4
500,
there's
nothing
4600
against
repair
and
maintenance
kind
of
like
it
was
under
suppression,
we're
seeing
about
a
5
uptick
in
some
of
that
stuff,
anything
from
our
steer,
our
suction
units
to
our
actual
owned,
o2
bottles
or
aeds,
and
things
like
that
so
26.50
for
that
46.50
again,
that's
again,
looking
at
our
vehicle
maintenance,
38
587,
anything
related
to
our
ambulances,
when
we
need
to
do
any
vehicle
maintenance
with
that
something
we
wanted
to,
and
the
only
reason
I
have
this
on
the
slide
kind
of
what
we
needed
to
take
care
of
this
year.
C
This
year
is
certainly
brought
into
light
that
we
don't
know.
What's
going
to
happen,
and
I
say
that
because
we
talked
about
earlier,
our
eso
reporting
program
is
computer-based.
Well,
what
happens
if
all
that
goes
could
put
for
an
afternoon
thunderstorm
or
something
catastrophic
happens.
We
wanted
to
make
sure
that
we
could
still
run
calls.
So
that's
why
this
redundancy
is
in
here
for
our
paper.
C
49.50
against
our
ems
billing,
that's
the
5.5
percent
and
also
health
data
exchange
included
with
that
there's
nothing
with
5100
5200
again
we
see
an
increase
due
to
our
call
volume
due
to
all
the
different
things
we're
dealing
with
due
to
the
cost
of
medications
going
up
kovid
again
brought
into
light
that
we
actually
have
to
buy
in
bulk.
Now
before
we
kind
of
trend,
look
at
our
trends
and
piecemeal
things
together,
but
that's
we
really,
you
know.
C
C
Medications
so
before,
if
we
like
a
drug,
we
give
for
diabetics.
C
Okay
d,
now
it's
d10
and
glucagon
is
a
drug,
but
we
used
to
be
able
to
buy
it
one
two
or
three
at
a
time,
depending
on
what
we
need
to
replace
well
now,
they're
making
us
buy
20
at
a
time
because
of
just
the
way
the
world
works
right
now
you
know.
C
Let's
turn
it
back
yep.
Now
that's
what
a
good
thing
you
know.
One
of
the
things
we're
looking
at
is
how
we're
tracking
making
sure
when
we
do
a
weekly
inventory,
you
know
the
guys,
the
guys
and
girls
do
weekly
inventory
to
make
sure
that
they're
identifying
you
know
soon
to
expire
medications
or
things
that
are
coming
off,
but
even
even
in
non-coveted
times
there
was
drugs
that
we
would
have
to
get
rid
of
from
time
to
time,
which
is
part
of
doing
business.
E
C
E
C
C
5250
again,
fuel
we're
looking
like
we're
doing
pretty
good
with
that.
5400
is
our
hand.
Heavy
subscription.
It's
a
digital
based
program,
hand.
Tabby
is
our
pediatric
dose
calculation.
C
J
Can
you
go
back
to
50
to
200
again,
yes,
sir
right
is
that
figure
correct.
C
Ems
training
5500
again
well,
what's
required
each
year
for
us
to
maintain
our
certifications,
bls
acls,
even
pals.
We
also
want
to
implement
narrative
training
this
year,
where
we,
how
teaching
our
paramedics
kind
of
to
write
narratives
for
documentation
purposes
correctly
and
that
certification
falls
under
here.
What
we
talked
about
earlier,
also
not
just
a
class
but
the
actual
certification
itself.
C
E
C
Do
it
every
year,
it's
only
typically
only
required
every
two
years.
Actually,
in
fact,
our
paramedic
licenses
and
our
emt
licenses
are
due
every
other
year,
but
we
we
pay
for
their
as
far
as
their
certification.
Is
that
we're
asking
right?
We
pay
they
pay
for
themselves.
I'm
sorry.
They.
C
D
C
E
C
Sorry,
no
sure
I
know
it's
good
so
this.
What
we're
talking
about
here
is
the
actual
cert
the
classes
to
maintain
that
certification,
okay,
so
pals
bls
acls.
You
know
those
are
very
exciting
classes,
so
we
pay
for
that
when
they
actually
pay
for
their
paramedic
license
or
emt
license.
They
pay
for
that
themselves.
C
C
E
And
how
does
that
get
measured?
You
know
in
the
department
how
does
that
get
measured
as
opposed
to
the
io
of
the
iso?
How
does
that
get
measured.
C
So
the
fire
training
yeah.
So
basically,
there
are
certain
amounts
of
per
hour
different
categories
that
they're
required
to
meet
company
training,
there's
no
longer
night
training,
usually
night
training,
multi-company
training,
there's
facilities,
which
is
we're
very
fortunate.
We
have
our
own
facility
here.
You
know
they
actually
have
to
be
down
at
the
training
center
to
get
that
credit
hour
and
there's
different
parameters
that
actually
take.
So
all
that
is
done
in-house.
E
So
if,
if
we
hire
a
firefighter
that
doesn't
have
the
paramedic
certification,
do
we
pay
for
that
paramedic
for
him
to
go
to.
E
E
G
I
G
Question
is
you
know
on
the
ems
side?
Okay,
I
see
that
for
the
state
required
certifications,
that's
what
that
budget's
for
got
it.
On
the
suppression
side,
we've
only
got
what
2k
budgeted
for
meal
reimbursement
if
they
go
to
the
fire
academy
or
the
fire
institute,
but
there's
certain
training,
that's
required
for
the
apparatus
that
we
use.
There's
certain
training
that.
G
Beneficial
or
maybe
even
required-
I
don't
know
for
iso
one
rating
retention,
all
that
sort
of
thing
why?
Why
would
we
not
budget
for
those
items.
C
C
C
So
we
were
able
to
take
advantage
of
that
and
offer
those
classes
here.
In
fact,
just
the
other
day,
we
did
a
live
fire
instructor
class
here.
What
we're
planning
on
doing
very
soon
in
the
near
future
is.
C
Pumping
pumping
things,
pumping
app
pumping
apparatus
or
the
driver
certification
in
the
future
and-
and
we
have
to
understand,
is
so
it's
been
the
rough
year.
We've
talked
about
it
a
million
times,
but
as
far
as
training
is
concerned,
we
had
to
shut
down
training
because
of
code
because
of
certain
numbers.
We've
had
to
start
going
to
stop
a
lot
of
different
things
that
we'd
normally
do
the
things
we
pride
ourselves
on,
especially
this
guy.
You
know,
I
love
the
training
aspect.
C
I
love
that's,
you
know
what
we
came
up
and
we
were
able
to
provide
that
to
our
own
people
outside
training
absolutely
necessary
as
well.
That's
something
I
want
to
see
in
the
future
and
that's
why
it's
part
of
the
request.
You
know
a
good
thing
about
the
the
fire
world
is
a
lot
of
those
certifications,
fire
officer,
one
fireworks
are
two
different
things
like
that.
C
G
So
I
guess
the
question
would
be
then,
so
I
get
that
you're
saying:
there's
internal
training
opportunities.
You
have
people
in-house
that
are
certified
to
train
on
certain
topics.
Yes,
sir,
so
how
I
should
read
your
wishlist,
I
don't
wish
wish
list
item
for
the
31.
000
rounded
is
training
classes
or
courses
that
are
outside
external
training
that
we
would
not
be
able
to
otherwise
internally
be
able
to
offer.
C
Which
certainly
so
well,
we
can
also
offer
them
internally.
You
know
so
a
lot
of
times
like
if
something
was
coming
up
in
the
future.
We
will
announce
it
hey.
This
class
is
coming
up.
You
know
the
inspector
there's
a
plans
review
class
coming
up
as
well,
that's
related
to
inspector.
Well,
we
kind
of
did
it
asked
hey?
Is
there
a
class
coming
up
that
people
need
we'll
identify
some
of
those
things
and
target
those
certain
things,
but
for
some
reason
they
can't
make
it
they're
on
vacation
or
something
like
that.
C
I
still
want
them
to
be
able
to
go
elsewhere.
As
far
as
getting
some
of
that,
you
know
some
of
the
specialized
training
as
well.
You
can
mention
tower
truck
related
stuff.
We
did
a
tower.
We
did
truck
ops
here
last
year.
You
know
something
one
of
the
first
things
we
did.
You
know
so
we're
able
again
we're
very
fortunate.
We
have
our
own
training
facility.
In
fact,
many
other
chiefs
are
wanting
to
get
on
board
to
use
it
because
you
know
another
one's
going
away.
G
Yeah
I
mean
from
where
I
say
what
I
want
to
make
sure
is
that
we
fund
the
training,
if
we,
if
you
as
fire
leadership,
are
saying
to
your
your
rank
and
file.
You've
got
to
do
these
things
to
do
your
job
here,
and
this
is
the
status
quo.
Absolutely
none
of
those
employees
should
have
to
spend
a
dime
on
them
on
themselves
that
this
is
a
requirement
that
you're
putting
on
to
them
either.
C
And
and
again
understand,
if
you
want
to
move
forward,
let's
say
you
want
to
become
an
engineer,
we're
offering
that
class
coming
up
in
a
month,
or
so
you
know
that
we're
providing
those
opportunities
for
those
individuals
as
well
as
if
we
can't
provide
it
elsewhere.
Moving
up
to
lieutenant
that's
one
of
the
big
things,
a
fire
officer.
One
was
one
of
the
big
things
even
inspector.
You
know
things
like
that.
D
C
Certainly,
certainly
there
are
opportunities
with
that
again,
but
believe
it
or
not
more
of
them
come
to
us.
You
know
we've.
When
we
offer
classes
we've
had
from
all
over
the
state
come
travel
to
us.
You
know,
because
we're
able
to
provide
the
same
courses,
the
state
fire
college
is
still
150
bucks
for
a
normal
course.
That's
kind
of
why
I
did
two
for
this
year,
so
each
employee
can
go
to
two
different
courses
out
there,
so
there
are
definitely
definitely
opportunities.
B
C
Yeah
a
lot
of
times
we'll
charge.
You
know
we
have
a
separate
revenue
line
that
we
can,
you
know,
would
charge
50
bucks
a
class
a
lot
of
times
that
attracts
more
people,
because
if
the
state's
charging
150,
we
can
do
it
here,
for
you
know
a
bit
cheaper
so
and
it's
something
we
definitely
have
done
in
the
past
and
I'm
looking
forward
to
get
doing
it
again.
You
know.
I
E
C
G
D
C
Absolutely-
and
you
know
that's
something
again:
what
we
kind
of
put
in
place
before
was
a
succession
plan
was
a
you
know,
certain
checkoff
requirements.
I
wanted
the
guy
who
was
writing
up
as
a
lieutenant
to
be
as
certified
as
the
person
he's
replacing.
So
when
some
of
those
requirements
we
start
to
work
through
some
of
those
we're
going
to
set
up
a
schedule,
we're
going
to
set
up
all
this.
These
programs
and
things
like
that.
B
E
C
Yeah,
when
we
are
going
to
set
up
this
program
before
when
it
was
in
place
before,
if
we
did
reimburse
it
was
a
reimbursement,
so
you
had
to
earn
that
grade
first
or
that
cert
and
also
a
lot
of
times.
You'd
sign
a
contract,
so
you're
going
to
remain
with
us
for
a
certain
amount
of
time.
B
J
Fair
and
so
the
instructors
that
we
have
that
are
teaching
in-house,
are
they
paid
for
teaching?
Yes,
all
right
and
then
the
second
part
is
those
firefighters
that
decide
to
do
something
beyond
the
call
to
do
to
get
additional
certification.
Is
that
an
incentive
for
them
for
doing
that?.
C
Yeah
and
that's
certainly
something
we're
working
towards
and
moving
forward
in
the
future
inspector.
Absolutely
you
know,
there's
there's
your
there's
a
500
inspector
incentive,
paramedic
being
our
biggest
one,
there's
a
8
000
incentive
with
that
again
we're
looking
at
all
these
different
types
of
things.
What
I
want
to
be
able
to
do
is
establish
the
step
program
establish
and
we
got
it
started
and
then
everything
had
to
stop.
We
had
to
stop
training
all
together.
C
E
Since
covet,
because
for
me
with
training
and
and
it
is
a
way
of
retaining
our
very
best
so
since
covet,
how
many
firefighters
have
left
us.
E
C
Yeah
and
one
went
to
I
have
to
look
specifically
but
as
far
as
retirement-
and
you
know
other
things
you
know-
we've
had
a
lot
of
people
retire
this
year,
we've
had
a
lot
of
people.
You
know
leave
for
for
different
reasons,
but
I'm
trying
to
remember.
E
Yeah
like
under
five,
then
between
five
and
ten
and
ten
and
fifteen,
and
then
twenty
because
twenty
is
then
they're
in
the
drop
program
after
20
or
if
they
choose
to
22
22..
A
E
Guys
that
attend,
but
you
know,
if
we're
spending
the
time
the
money
and
we're
asking
them
to
be
the
best,
let's
try
and
retain
them,
because
training
costs
a
lot
of
money,
and
you
know
me
as
as
a
former
law
enforcement.
That's
part
of
building
a
department
is
retaining
your
very
best.
E
So
if
you
can
give
me
that
number
yeah.
C
G
Well,
I
don't
think
it's
just
limited
to
chief
williams
presentation
I
mean
for
the
rest
of
the
directors
that
come
up.
I
mean
attrition
is
always
a
fascinating
thing,
especially
around
budget
time.
I
mean
we
have
to
really
understand
why
people
leave
the
city.
Is
it
voluntary?
Is
it
involuntary
for
the
involuntary
thing?
Obviously,
there's
probably
issues
that
hand
there,
but
from
the
voluntary
side,
then
you
have
to
kind
of
you
know
sub-categorize
those
people
is
it
retirement.
Is
it
because
they
found
a
more
attractive
position
elsewhere?
G
Was
it
money-driven
where
they
just
happened
to
relocate
jobs
and
industry?
Who
knows?
But
you
know
if
it's,
if
everybody's
at
triding
the
city
because
of
financial
reasons,
okay,
it
might
lend
some
more
support
to
increasing
things
here,
increasing
the
things
there
putting
more
benefits
packages
available
versus,
saying,
hey,
I
just
decided
to
change
industry
or
I'd
move
into
idaho.
C
6300
there
was
nothing
in
ems.
6400
again
is
our
replacement
ambulance,
I'm
going
to
get
into
our
depreciation
schedule
and
things
here,
but
this
is
for
replacing
amlas
12,
which
is
a
17
year
old,
ambus,
2003.,
356
thousand
dollar
total,
and
all
that
includes
the
fire
column.
C
B
And
just
that
I
was
just
amazed
at
the
lucas
compression
system,
a
36
increase
in
survival.
C
C
We
did
a
straight
line.
Depreciation
chose
a
replacement
useful
years
in
life
for
those
for
those
types
of
vehicles
and
then
through
attrition,
so
you'll
see
that
there's
a
2006
f-150
that
we
it's
time
to
replace
that'll
be
coming
up
here
in
the
future.
C
When
we
discuss
some
of
that
stuff,
what
we're
gonna
be
asking
for
suppression,
you
can
see
here
again
all
our
different
apparatus,
things
we're
gonna
be
asking
for
mainly
engine
4,
which
is
still
has
some
useful
life
left
in
it,
but
we're
actually
going
to
be
replacing
engine
11,
which
is
a
1998.
C
you're,
going
to
notice
some
differences.
As
far
as
the
useful
life
I
kept
all
the
american
la
france's
at
20
years
and
any
new
apparatus
we've
got
rosenbauer's
at
the
useful
life
of
15
years.
We
just
found
some
of
our
trends,
we're
looking
at
and
things
like
that
with
the
new
electronics,
and
how
that
you
know
things
were
built
better
for
lack
of
better
work
back
then
so
they're
able
to
hang
out
a
little
bit
longer,
but
with
this
this
year,
we're
going
to
have
all
of
our
front
run.
C
Trucks
will
be
our
new
rosenbauers
and
we're
going
to
continue
on
that
cycle.
As
we
continue
out.
The
other
thing
you'll
see
down,
there
is
a
brush
truck
pump
replacement,
that's
2021,
and
we
can
see
also
for
engine
51
for
next
year,
which
is
also
something
that's
on
the
request
in
our
truck
we're
looking
at
hazmat,
one,
which
is
our
old
reserve,
rescue
truck
is
out
at
station
5.
Currently,
that
is
a
reserve
vehicle,
something
we're
going
to
be
looking
at
in
our
cip
as
well.
C
Ems
again
understand
some
of
the
things
we've
been
when
dealing
with.
We
actually
ordered
and
just
received
the
other
day,
our
ambulance
for
1920.,
so
that
that
bottom
number
you
see
there.
We
just
received
it
the
other
day.
C
It's
supposed
to
go
in
service
at
the
end
of
the
month,
it's
taking
over
a
year
to
have
turn
around
in
some
of
our
ambulances,
so
we
want
to
make
sure
that
we're
staying
on
top
of
that,
we
are
currently
have
on
order,
and
it
should
be
here
within
the
next
six
months,
the
2021-22
ambulance
and
then
the
following:
I'm
sorry,
the
2021
amulets
and
then
what
we're
asking
for
coming
up
this
year
now
and
the
one
we
just
asked
for
is
also
being
replaced
so
we're
as
long
as
we
do
one
a
year
we're
doing
well
with
ambulances.
C
C
Anything
in
blue
you
see
there
is
residential.
Anything
in
brown
or
orange
is
commercial,
and
it's
interesting
to
look
at
this
map.
You
know
anything
towards
station
3's
area
where
it's
very
already
dense
kind
of
towards
the
downtown
area,
there's
small
little
pockets
of
things,
but
our
development
we
see
is
going
along
the
southwest
side
also
up
to
the
north
west
side
as
well,
where,
potentially
you
know
we're
going
to
start
talking
about
station
seven
in
the
next
couple
years.
C
Also,
looking
at
we
kind
of
talked
about
some
of
our
numbers
earlier,
you
know
our
population
now
we
know
we're
getting
ready
to
explode
central
florida
area
as
a
whole,
starting
to
see
increases
in
these
numbers-
and
I
talked
about
earlier,
where
I'm
very
comfortable
in
that
1.99
to
2
firefighters
per
thousand
range.
When
we
look
at
some
of
these
numbers
and
some
of
these
things
we're
seeing,
we
need
to
make
sure
that
we're
paying
attention
where
we
see
growth
numbers
wise.
This
is
the
current
under
construction
residential
properties.
C
So
we
see
2528
dwelling
units
that
are
currently
under
construction
when
you
apply
our
2.69
average
per
household
under
construction
right
now
we
know
there's
a
growth
of
5
000
coming
and
we
keep
looking
at
that
each
year
we're
going
to
need
people
we're
going
to
need
equipment,
we're
going
to
need
certain
things.
So
we
want
to
make
sure
that
we
have
a
plan
in
place,
for
that
can.
E
D
C
I
E
It's
important
that
our
firefighters
are
trained
to
be
in
those
warehouses,
because
the
last
thing
that
I
want
for
any
of
our
firefighters
is
to
go
to
a
fire
or
even
as
we
have
seen
from
television,
and
we
can't
pretend
that
it
won't
be
here,
a
disgruntled
employee,
going
in
with
a
mass
shooting-
and
I
think
it's
important
for
our
first
responders
police
and
fire
to
be
prepared
to
approach
that
type
of
environment.
You
know
violent
environment,
whether
it's
fire
or
a
destructive.
I
C
Absolutely
I'm
sorry
yeah!
No,
but
that's
one
of
the
one
of
the
most
important
things
we
do.
Pre-Fire
planning.
You
know
that's
a
every
six
months,
all
of
our
guys
and
girls
go
out
and
they
look
at
these
properties.
C
You
should
never
be
going
up
to
a
building
on
fire
being
the
first
time
you've
ever
seen
it.
In
my
opinion,
that's
that's
how
it
should
be
as
a
firefighter
as
a
professional.
That's
something
that's
that's
one
of
the
most
important
jobs.
If
there's
nothing
else
you
accomplish
is
go.
Do
your
pre-plans
that
can
save
your
life
right!
That's
what
I
tell
them.
You
know
and
that's
something
again
we're
trying
to
get
back
in
the
swing
of
things.
C
You
know
not
being
able
to
go
out
and
visit
people
and
things
like
that,
but
all
we
were
able
to
do
before
is
update
our
contact
numbers
we'll
go
out
and
look
at
these
buildings.
That's
part
of
your
job.
You
know,
and
and
emphasizing
some
of
that
stuff-
and
you
know
we
were
able
to
reach
out
on,
saw
earlier
this
year
with
even
at
the
hospital
it's
been
around
for
a
while,
but
we
practiced
a
scenario
of
getting
someone
off
the
roof.
C
C
Planning
is,
is
a
iso
requirement
for
one
and
they
go
out.
We
actually
do
it
twice
a
year.
You
know
it's
something.
It's
even
though
it's
only
required
once
I
like
to
get
the
guys
and
girls
get
out
there
as
much
as
possible,
because
that's
critical.
E
C
I
think
I
said
it
right
the
first
time
and
gone.
I
apologize
again
looking
at
the
total
number
of
dwelling
units
that
are
under
construction
now.
That's
this
population
we
know,
is
coming
it's
hard
to
predict
certain
things
as
far
as
travels
and
things
like
that
people
traveling
through
each
day,
but
this
is
something
that
we
can
hold
concrete,
so
kind
of
go
through
each
one.
The
fire.
D
C
Division,
something
has
come
about
recently:
quality
assurance
specialist.
It's
something
we're
asking
for
this
year,
really
what
we
want
to
make
sure
that
we're
do
and
what
this
person
would
do
is.
It
would
actually
be
a
civilian
position.
C
What
they
would
do
is
review,
evaluate
anything
from
our
patient
care
to
types
certain
types
of
calls.
There
are
certain
requirements
and
you
can
see
there.
The
orange
county
medical
director
is
actually
going
to
make
this
imagine
a
mandate,
something
that's
required
under
64j,
and
the
current
medical
director
is
pushing
out
where
we
have
requirements.
We're
gonna
have
to
report
stuff
daily,
weekly
monthly,
and
we
have
certain
time
frames
where,
for
instance,
a
code
or
where
we
do
cpr
that
has
to
be
turned
in
within
24
hours
and
reviewed.
C
So
this
person
is
going
to
be
instrumental
in
in
reviewing
some
of
that
stuff.
G
Real
quick
just
to
kind
of
level
set
for
all
of
these
presentations,
so
maybe
this
is
a
question
for
edward
real
quick.
So
what
we
everything
that
you're
viewing
right
now
is
in
your
wishlist
document,
meaning
how
do
we
interpret
that
word?
So
is
anything
that
was
before
this.
The
list
item
assumed
to
be
in
budget
and
balanced,
and
then
everything
on
this
causes
us
to
be
over
what
what
you
anticipate
our
budget
number
to
be.
F
What
you'll
see
from
the
department's
commissioner
is
the
first
part
of
their
budget
is
their
operating
their
normal
operating
these.
These
sections
that
you'll
see
after
this
departments
call
them
wishlist
column.
They
call
them
little
different,
different
things
or
whatever,
but
these
are
the
items
that
they
would
like
to
add
into
the
budget.
What
you
will
see
on
wednesday
are
some
of
these
items
have
gotten
into
that
budget.
F
G
F
I
F
I
G
F
C
In
the
fire
chief's
office
a
fire
inspector
again,
this
is
going
to
be
a
civilian
person
as
we're
growing.
We
see
a
lot
more
of
the
commercial
structures
coming
in
things
like
that.
Chief
bowman
works
works
as
works
hard,
and
we
want
someone
to
help
supplement
some
of
that
stuff.
This
is
gonna
be
more
for
the.
C
F
This
position
is
currently
not
funded
in
the
budget,
but
what
you
have
when
you
get
to
the
when
you,
when
you
have
the
building
department,
they
have
funded
an
extra
inspector
that
they
want
to
kind
of
work
with
fire
department
with
from
the
fireside
as
well
so
you're
going
to
see
the
building
department
when
they
bring
their
budget.
They
have.
F
There
is
a
position
budgeted
for
another
inspector
but
they're
going
to
try
to
bring
those
two
together,
you're
going
to
see
that
when
you
see
the
building
department,
so
they
have
a
new
position
that
that
could
serve
as
the
fire
inspector
position
as
well
as
a
regular
inspector.
So
we
are
adding.
We
are
adding
an
inspector
to
the
overall
city.
F
That
will
be
something
that
we'll
be
looking
for.
So
you
know,
I
think
what
we're
trying
to
do
is
we're
trying
to
bring
you
know.
We
have
new
software
coming
for
the
building
department
as
well,
where
the
fire
department
will
be
part
of
that
software
as
well,
where
they
can
go
in
and
make
their
choice.
You
know
the
inspections
that
they
look
at
the
things
that
they
look
at
from
this
standpoint.
They
can
also
be
a
part
of
that
that
check
off
in
that
in
that
process
or
in
that
software.
F
F
Because
a
lot
of
these
inspections
are
talking
about
in
this
position
as
your
new
construction,
not
your
ongoing
inspections,
but
your
new
construction
or
your
new
new
things
that
are
coming
out
and
they
have
to
work
closely
with
the
building
department
because
they
sign
off
on
from
the
buildings
from
the
fire
inspect
inspire
inspector
part
for
the
new
construction.
B
C
Next
request
paint
and
update
the
fire
training
tower
again:
that's
our
actual
burn
building
in
our
training
tower.
It's
something
we
use
a
lot.
You
know,
there's
a
lot
of
wear
and
tear,
and
things
like
that,
so
we're
asking
for
15
000
for
that.
E
C
I'm
sure,
possibly
you
know,
there's
some
certain
things.
We
can
look
at
and
update
here
with
dr
jackson
and
see
if
there's
particulars,
for
you
know,
painting
of
certain
structures.
Certainly,
okay,
another
request
is
station.
One
upstairs,
we
know
we're
working
chief
mckinley
is
working
hard
as
well
on
the
new
public
safety
building,
but
this
gets
a
lot
of
wear
and
tear.
C
We
have
42
personnel
assigned
station
one,
so
we're
looking
at
something,
maybe
a
little
more
sanitary
as
well,
so
some
sort
of
laminate
flooring
for
the
upstairs
area
for
that
that
station.
So
is
this
in.
F
Chief,
this
is
not
in
currently
right,
it's
not
even
through
the
facilities
either.
I'm
thinking
that,
maybe
you
may
see
it
on
the
facility
side.
I
know
there's
something
when
you
see
facilities
this
year,
commissioner
you're
going
to
see
a
lot
of
these
items
that
have
been
added
into
facilities
to
take
care
of
a
lot
of
the
repairs
for
the
for
the
building.
G
C
Another
thing
you'll
see
this
reduced.
Actually,
commissioner,
smith
is
not
wrong
on
this
one.
We
just
actually
were
able
to
squeeze
some
of
it,
some
of
it
out
this
year
we
did
buy
some
beds
for
station
three
and
four
they're
actually
currently
trying
them
out
right
now.
So,
if
you
like
them,
we
want
to
move
forward
with.
We
want
to
make
sure
they
try
them
out.
First
before
we
go
purchase
all
of
them.
So
that's
something
be
able
to
squeeze
out
some
of
that
this
year.
C
So
I'm
going
to
ask
him
for
a
10
for
next
year.
But
again
we
want
to
place
box
springs
with
platform
type
beds
and
foam
type
mattresses
and
again
that's
what
we're
asking
for
for
that
again
getting
into
training.
This
is
specific
to
the
admin
staff.
I
want
300
for
each
personnel
in
there
to
be
able
to
you
know,
classes,
training
related
to
management,
certifications
sounds
funny,
something
like
an
excel
class
or
something
like
that.
F
D
F
G
A
G
Least,
like
I
mean
that
should
be
obvious,
but
I
mean.
C
All
right
and,
of
course,
a
big
one
for
us
station
six
permanent
build
out.
We
have
you
know
the
monies
that
we
are
allotted
from
state
appropriations,
but
we
want
to
make
sure
this
is
included.
C
We
did
have
a
very
good
meeting
with
the
in
engineer
and
construction
manager
from
station
five
and
we're
right
on
par
with
course,
as
far
as
budgeting
and
things
like
that,
so
that's
definitely
exciting.
For
us,
this
is
included.
F
D
G
F
F
C
So
again,
getting
into
suppression
request
again
to
emphasize
you
know,
we
know
we're
growing.
We
certainly
have
construction
coming
into
place
and
you
know
to
start
us
going
in
the
right
direction.
I
really
would
like
three
additional
firefighter
personnel
this
year
again
to
maintain
maintain
that
per
capita
levels
with
our
current
growth
and
density
model.
C
We
need
to
start
increasing
our
staff
levels
and
having
that
plan,
as
we
look
through
the
future
to
see
what
we
need
to
establish
and
where
we
can
go
out,
and
it
is
going
to
be
an
ongoing
plan
with
station
six
coming
online.
We're
definitely
going
to
have
to
add
personnel.
Just
for
that
and
beyond
that.
You
know
to
make
sure
that
we're
meeting
some
of
those
some
of
those
requirements
and
some
of
those.
E
C
So
you
have
to
look
at
it's
a
complicated
answer.
We
have
a
assigned
to
our
fire
trucks
to
to
personnel
again
kind
of
talking
what
we
were
talking
about
before
we're
a
unique
city
in
the
fact
that
we
have
a
very
large
area.
We
have
35
square
miles
and
we
have
a
lot
of
not
as
dense
populations
as
certain
areas.
What
we,
what
we're
unique
with
is
actually
our
squad
vehicles.
We
have
two
two-man
units
that
pretty
much
augments
our
manpower
in
certain
applications.
C
When
you
talk
about
standards
or
things
like
that,
nfpa
makes
recommendations
because
we
are
iso
one
we
more
than
meet.
We
were
required
to
have
17
people
on
scene,
for
any
fire,
iso
and
or
nfpa
doesn't
care
how
those
people
get
there.
They
can
ride
in
a
pickup
truck.
They
can
ride
in
whatever
they
just
want
that
manning
on
scene
within
a
certain
amount
of
time.
C
So
because
we
have
those
two
different
units
that
can
kind
of
augment
that
we're
able
to
meet
and
that's
how
we
got
our
iso
one
we're
also
unique
because
again,
we
talked
about
earlier
we're
really
the
4.23
number
of
stations.
C
Five
is
a
good
number
for
us.
We
have
six,
so
we're
kind
of
spread
out
we
had
to
for
our
response
times
to
just
get
our
people
going.
So
we've
kind
of
you
know
used
a
system,
that's
unique
to
us,
but
it
works
now.
What
I
want
to
see
in
the
future
is
the
increase
of
meaning
something
we've.
You
know
we've.
Never
you
know
had
that
here,
but
it's
something
we
want
to
look
at.
I
want
to
apply
that
two
percent
or
two
I'm
sorry,
two
person
per
thousand
in
population
and
grow
with
that.
C
So
as
we
see
our
population
increasing
that's
when
we
need
to
increase
those
people
on
those
apparatus,
that's
when
I
that's
why
I'm
asking
for
one
this
year
and
next
year
with
five
or
so
I'm
sorry,
six
opening.
Not
only
are
we
going
to
staff
that
at
the
15
people,
so
five
people
at
that
station,
one
backwards
person
on
the
engine,
but
increasing
those
levels
throughout
the
next
couple
years.
I
want
to
ask
for
18
that
year,
on
top
of
the
six
we
currently
have
there
now.
C
So
when
you
look
at
some
of
that
different
stuff-
and
this
is
a
way
we
want
to
look-
I'm
sorry
at
a
an
ongoing
plan,
but
data-driven
you
know
something
you
guys
have
always
kind
of
emphasized-
is
data-driven
decisions
well,
in
order
for
us
to
meet
those
backwards,
people
75
000
is
kind
of
where
we're
aiming
at
as
far
as
our
population
number.
E
I
E
Because
I
don't
know
the
different
apparatuses,
who
is
a
standard
or
the
minimum,
on
a
on
a
truck
like
which
apparatus
has
to
have
a
three
man
and
which
one
has
half
a
two
man
well.
C
That's
our
current
and
that's
what
so,
when
you
look
at
how
we're
measured
so
iso
looks
at
what
we
send.
Nfpa
makes
certain
recommendations,
and
things
like
that.
So
when
we
look
at
the
number
of
people
we're
sending
iso
required,
they
ask
what
we
send
clearly
what
we
send
for
a
fire.
We
send
two
engines
and
a
tower:
that's
all
they
care
care
about
all
the
other
apparatus
that
are
going.
We
also
send
two
ambulances,
which
is
our
four
personnel
sent.
C
If
we
don't
that
again,
our
rating
is
all
measured
on
how
many
people
we
put
per
those
apparatus.
So
right
now
we
send
17
people.
Iso
requires
18,
we're
deducted
orlando
orange
county
they're
all
deducted
because
those
they're
not
exactly
those
six
people
when
they
ask
again
how
they
get
there.
The
squads
and
different
units
like
that
those
are
those
are
different
ways
that
we
can
apply
those
manpower
in
that
certain
area.
C
Nfpa
again,
I
think
for
residential
fires
and
things
like
that
wants
17
people
if
it
includes
a
tower
truck,
it
even
writes
out
who's
on
required
and
even
the
tower
trucks
required.
One
person,
according
to
the
fpa
literally
says
on
there,
one
at
one
personnel
to
maintain
the
tower.
That's
still
not
adequate
in
my
eyes.
So
are
we
moving
forward?
Are
we
trying
to
establish
some
of
this?
Yes,
but
data
driven
and
providing
some
of
these
numbers
so
that
we
can
get
there.
G
So
so
again,
I
always
like
to
play
this
one
out
throwing
money
off
the
table
for
a
second
so
like
winter
park.
I
know
that
they
put
three
people
on
their
engine
two
ambulances.
I
think
they
have
four
for
other
apparatus
that
they
have
their
rate
per
mile,
8.7
they're
at
two
and
a
half
rate
per
thousand.
G
If,
if
you
had
the
budget,
would
you
pivot
your
thinking
to
say
I
should
really
be
staffing,
my
engine
at
three
people
per
engine
and
because,
when
you
arrive
on
scene-
and
you
have
two
people
on
an
engine
apparatus,
I'm
sure
there's
duties
that
are
performed
right
then,
and
there
in
terms
of
getting
equipment
out
and
assessing
the
situation.
G
That
sort
of
thing,
if
there's
only
two
people
on
scene-
and
especially
I
mean,
if
you
look
at
apopka
when
you
factor
in
our
orange
county
service
area,
I'm
looking
at
your
table
here,
rate
per
mile
is
1.63
and
we
are
35
square
miles.
So
I
think
you
exacerbate
an
issue
of
having
two
people
on
scene
because
we're
so
stretched
out
geographically,
because
you
mentioned
a
coin
winter
garden
they're,
both
plus
or
minus
16
or
17
square
miles,
we're
35
and
that's
not
even
factor
in
the
orange
county
area.
C
G
Well,
that's
what
I'm
trying
to
understand
so
we're
asking
about
how
many
people
do
you
have
on
it
now,
where,
in
your
opinion,
where
do
we
need
to
be
like
now
to
make
sure
that
we're
promoting,
not
safety
for
our
residents,
I
mean
but
safety
for
the
people
that
are
responding
to
the
calls
in
the
department
sure.
So
what
I
mean,
what
are
your
thoughts
there
and
and
if
we
went
to
that
route,
what
additional
staffing
would
be
needed
to
accomplish
that
so.
C
Yeah,
I
believe
I
mentioned
this
to
you
last
year,
you're
never
going
to
hear
a
fire
chief
says
he
doesn't
have
enough.
You
know
and
and
certainly
anything
that
if
it's
money's
no
is
endless
sure
you
know
it's
something
again
budget
or
not
it's
something
we
want
to
move
forward
to
in
the
future
and
looking
at
those
populations
you're
talking
about
they're,
dense,
they're,
more
denser
in
population,
you
know
again
we
kind
of
had
to
it's,
not
it's.
C
We
have
six
stations
in
the
in
an
area
where
we
require
five.
You
know
those
people,
maybe
could
have
been
reallocated
or
different
things
like
that,
but
we're
kind
of
you
know
we're
wanting
to
move
forward
and
and
grow
at
the
same
time
that
a
lot
of
that
happened.
You
know
we're
looking
at
all
that
stuff
right.
G
Yeah
and
the
point
that
I'm
making
is
not
necessarily
the
amount
of
stations
I
feel
like
we're
adequate
there,
not
the
per
capita
because
per
capita
on
your
on
your
information,
we're
above
where
the
state
is.
I
guess
that's
the
state
number
that
provides
the
guidance
or.
D
C
D
G
A
national
number,
but
I
I
guess
I'm
taking
up
more
from
the
concerns
I've
heard
from
firefighters
themselves,
and
so
that's
where
the
angle
that
I'm
kind
of
talking
from
is
because
we
are
such
a
large
geographically
laid
out
city.
If
you
have
an
engine
that
has
two
people
on
it,
where
you
feel
like
there,
maybe
should
be
minimum
staffing
of
three,
because
when
they
get
on
scene,
you
know,
there's
you
hope
and
pray.
G
This
doesn't
happen,
but
there's
just
if
something
goes
wrong
and
we're
not
able
to
help
a
resident
or
a
firefighter
becomes
in
peril,
because
we
should
have
been
at
three
and
we
didn't
sit
up
here
and
discuss
okay.
How
do
we
get
it?
How
do
we
get
the
budget
to
get
you?
The
three
people
manning
on
an
engine
and
whatever
other
you
know
tower-
requires
four
or
three?
Okay,
so
be
it.
But
you
know
what
what
does
that
look
like
and.
G
Whatever
situation
is
going
on,
and
it's
vital
and
critical
that
that
that
third
person
could
have
saved
someone's
life-
and
we
were
up
here
and
we
didn't
provide
the
budget
for
you
to
operate
at
your
most
optimal-
that's
where
I
just
want
to
have
that
conversation
to
make
sure
that
if
we
have
it
again,
we've
got
a
33
percent.
You
know
reserve
fund.
If
we're
saying
that
we'd
be
better,
we
would
have
a
better
operating
model
from
a
fire
department
to
save
lives
or
save
department
personnel.
C
If
and
you
know,
just
a
separate
again
separate
the
two
out,
if
you
look
at
iso,
they
require
those
six
people
per
unit,
a
simple
solution
and
even
first
camp
was
dissolve.
C
So
now
I
have
the
first
two
engine,
the
second
two
engine,
and
to
get
that
same
person.
I
have
to
add
that
third
engine
now
we
add
another
six
people
that
iso
requires
now
do
we
want
to
develop
all
that
stuff
and
to
have
an
actual
number
if
we
wanted
to
add
a
third
person
to
each
engine
and
the
tower
truck,
it's
probably
2.5
million
in
just
salaries,
and
also
looking
at
some
of
that.
That's
our
21
people
pretty
much.
G
C
And
I
don't
want
you
to
think
that
I
don't
want
that.
It's
it's
I'm
trying
to
apply
like
your
data-driven
decisions
based
on
our
size,
our
different
populations,
things
that
we
can
model,
because
when
we
are
sitting
at
75
to
100
000
people
in
the
next
five
to
ten
years,
we're
going
to
need.
Probably
more
than
that,
you
know
it's
something
we
want
to
project
and
start
and
that's
why
this
year,
I'm
asking
for
those
three
to
get
us
going
in
the
right
direction.
C
E
C
E
Are
we
responding
with
enough
staff
or
enough
firefighters
to
deal
with
that
that
accident,
because
usually
it
involves
two
people
or
two
vehicles
and
multiple
people,
and
sometimes
you
have
to
use
what
is
it
the
jaws
of
life
and
then,
at
the
same
time,
you
have
to
treat
the
patients
if
you're
sending
a
two-man
fire
truck,
and
I
keep
saying
fire
trucks,
the
apparatus
I
mean.
How
do
you
decide
who
gets?
E
A
But
that's
what
he's
saying
is
by
having
a
smaller
truck.
They
can
get
there
faster,
so
they're
going
to
meet
the
fire
truck
at
the
site
so
having
a
pickup
with
two
guys
in
it
will
get
you
there
faster
and
then,
when
the
fire
truck
gets
there,
then
they
then
now
all
of
a
sudden
you've
got
four
on
the
fire
truck.
If
that's
what
you
need.
C
So
probably,
if
it's
a
major
accident
we're
sending,
we
have
our
heavy
rescue,
we
have
squads
responding
as
well.
So
it
depends
on
the
severity
of
the
accident
is
what
you
know,
what
typically
responds
to
those
emergencies?
Rollovers
different
things
like
that.
You
know
dispatch
cues,
those
and
looks
at
those,
and
we
send
you
know
different
levels
of
response
to
those
calls,
but.
C
It
depends
on
the
call
you
know,
there's
so
something
we're
actually
looking
at
and
moving
forward
to
starting
august
1st
is
our
pro
qa
an
update
and
dispatch
where
they
actually
look
at
the
types
of
calls
that
we're
going
on
even
just
talking
about
a
medical
call.
C
Now
you
know,
typically,
throughout
our
entire
history,
we've
sent
a
single
ambulance
on
a
certain
type
of
response,
the
difficulty
breathing,
let's
say
well
now,
based
on
those
certain
levels,
there's
alpha
probable,
charlie
delta,
on
those
questions
that
dispatcher
is
asking
they're
going
to
respond
now
with
the
appropriate
response,
so
we
might
send
now
an
engine
an
ambulance
were
before
would
sent
an
ambulance
on
the
flip
side.
If
it's
just
a
fire
alarm,
that's
going
off.
Typically,
if
it's
a
residential
fire
alarm,
we
just
send
one
engine,
because
it's
an
alarm.
C
E
We
sending
three
men
three
truck
or
we're
sending
two.
C
Minimum
manning
for
a
day
is
29,
so
you
know
it
depends
on
how
you
know
it
shakes
out.
I
mean
that's
something:
we're
looking
we're
looking
to
grow,
we're
looking
to
improve.
B
Well,
the
bottom
line
is
the
effectiveness
you
know
is
getting
the
job
done.
It's
not.
Is
it
more
fun
to
have
three
than
two?
It's
is
someone's
life
at
stake.
Are?
Are
people
going
to
be
put
in
a
difficult
situation
or
are
the
people
responding
to
going
to
be
put
in
a
difficult
situation
and,
however,
we
get
there
and
arrive
on
the
scene?
Do
we
have
enough
to
adequately
meet
adequately
meet
that
without
putting
anyone
at
risk,
either
our
people
or
or
the
people
we're
trying
to
help?
B
Because
if
that's
the
standard
then
that's
the
goal,
then
we
make
the
money
follow
that
you
know,
so
we
have
to
set
it
at
that
standard.
If
that's
not
being
met,
we
have
to
change
it
because
safety
is
the
number
one
job.
It
really
is.
That's
our
number
one
responsibility.
So
you
know
that's
what
we
need
to
understand.
B
What
is
meeting
that
standard
and
again,
if,
if
we
end
up
there
arriving
at
the
scene
with
enough
people,
however,
that
happens,
I'm
not
the
expert,
you
know
you
all
we're,
depending
on
you
to
tell
us,
if
it's
not
there,
if
it's
like
yeah,
we
really
need
to
be
there.
Then
we
need
to
know
that
and
figure
out
a
way
to
get
us
there,
and
then
we
can
have
something
clear.
You
know
again,
that's
our
our
goal,
the
effectiveness,
not
the
cost,
to
me
that
effectiveness.
B
Have
to
bridge
that
gap,
I
think
that's
what
you're
trying
to
say
we
need
to
get
here,
so
we
need
to
start
doing
it
now,
and
then
we
can
know
from
that.
That's
where
you
know
it
was
kind
of
saying
we.
We
have
some
real
goals
that
we're
going
to
need
to
meet,
and
yes
thank
god.
We
have
some
healthy
reserves
and,
thank
god,
we're
more
beyond
this
challenge
that
we've
faced
in
this
last
year
year
and
a
half
that
we
can
start
doing
this.
B
C
B
And
dense
and
we're
in
the
same
situation
with
our
police
department.
So
those
are
two
big
things
that
we,
I
think
there
is
a
willingness
to
focus
on
those
things
here
in
in
a
way
that
that
is
attainable,
and
we
can't
just
ignore
because
then
two
years
down
the
road
when
we
are
at
those
numbers,
we're
really
going
to
be
behind
right
and.
C
And
you
know
to
give
you
the
number
I
gave
you
before.
Commissioner
becker,
you
know
that
or
that
number
that's
to
hire
45
when
I
you
know
projecting
out,
because
of
the
numbers
we're
going
to
need,
not
just
the
people
we're
going
to
need,
but
people
have
to
have
time
off.
You
have
to
account
for
some
of
that
stuff
as
well
and
and
all
that
comes
into
play.
So
it's
a
large
number
to
get
us
what
we're
going
to
need
with
growth
and
with
the
future
as
well
so
yeah.
G
I
mean
it's
not
as
simple
as
just
saying
the
per
capita
number
right,
there's,
there's
multiple
things
that
you
have
to
consider:
it's
per
capita,
it's
the
rate
per
per
miles
because
of
just
our
geographic
vastness
and
then
just
what's
the
right
operating
model
for
the
safety
of
both
your
staff
and
the
residents.
You
know
and
all
three
of
those
are
different.
You
know
the
same.
G
It's
the
same
conversation
to
drive
all
three,
but
I
want
to
make
sure
that
we're
just
set
up
to
make
sure
that
we
have
staff
that
feels
like
they're,
safe.
C
F
C
And
these
are
also
you
know,
just
kind
of
explain
as
well.
We
did
put
in
for
the
safer
grant
again
this
year,
these
the
all
these
things
you
see
on
wishlist.
We
can't
put
into
the
budget
yet
because
if
we
budget
for
them,
then
we
lose
the
grain.
It's
an
opportunity
for
a
grant.
We'll
make
sure
we
explore
that
first.
So
some
of
these
things,
you'll
see
in
here
are
going
through
a
grant
process
right
now,
we've
applied
for
the
safer
grant
numerous
times
in
the
past
as
well
and
have
been
unsuccessful.
G
E
The
money
that
the
federal
government
is
sending
forward
or
the
american
rescue
act
money
does
any
of
that
include,
or
you
know,
to
build
for
fire
not
not
to
build
but
to
bring
staff
up
or.
F
Correct
yeah,
there
are
some
some
of
those
dollars
you
can
use
for
this
for
these
types
of
purposes.
We're
also
looking
because,
as
chief
said,
we've
applied
for
a
lot
of
grants.
You'll
see
some
other
things
that
are
coming
up
here
too.
That
are
some
things
to
do
with
our
stations
that
we've
applied
for
some
grants
we're
trying
to
wait.
The
timing
is
crazy
right
now,
because
we
just
got
awarded
the
money
we've
applied
for
grants,
it's
budget
time,
but
nobody's
we're
not
hearing
anything.
So
we
don't
want
to.
F
So
we'll
know
hey
we
got
this
grant
we
didn't
get
this
grant
or-
or
you
know
our
wish
list
items
our
money
from
the
fed,
the
rescue
money
from
the
feds,
where
we,
where
all
we
can
put
that
because
keep
in
mind
granted-
and
I
agree
with
you-
100
public
safety-
is-
is
number
one-
that's
what
we
we.
F
That
is
that
we
do
that
right
out
of
the
chute,
but
you
have
some
other
needs
that
we've
all
been
talking
about,
that
we've
re
that
everybody's
been
talking
about
from
road
resurfacing
to
lighting,
which
are
also
some
safety.
Things
keep
in
mind
that
you
also
have
those
items
that
we
have
to
fund.
But
but
with
that
being
said,
I
you
know,
and
some
of
those
dollars
are-
we've
earmarked
some
of
those
dollars
for
that
for
resurfacing,
because
you
know
you
guys
have
mentioned
that.
That's
some
of
your
big
priorities
are
resurfacing
and
lighting.
F
So,
but,
as
you
know,
public
safety
is
number
one.
So
that's
why
we've
applied
for
everything
we
can
apply
for
and
kind
of
going
to
see
what
happens
with
that
we'll
and
hopefully
we'll
know
something
before
september.
The
end
of
september
and
then
we'll
know,
which
items
that
you
know
we
will
be
able
to
use,
grant
and
which
items
will
have
to
we'll
have
to
go
to
another
source.
B
C
And
you
know
another
just
our
forward.
Thinking
in
you
know,
knowing
that
we
have
some
of
that
plan
in
place,
and
I
think
it's
you
know
all
of
our
stations.
We
have
to
worry
look
at
the
infrastructure
as
well.
Right
now,
all
of
our
outlying
stations
are
are
designed
for
the
personnel
they
have
there
currently
we'd
have
to
look
at.
You
know
expanding
some
of
those
bunker
rooms,
and
things
like
that.
So
you
know
a
lot
of
this
is
believing
is
in
in
our
thoughts,
and
you
know
things
moving
forward.
C
Part
of
that
another
grant
we
put
in
for
afg
this
year
is
the
fume
event
exhaust
systems.
These
are
for
the
existing
stations.
I
have
high
hopes
this
year
for
this.
Actually,
it's
something
we
put
in
for
last
year
with
cobia
and
all
the
monies
they
reallocated.
C
You
know
they
took
a
lot
of
that
back,
but
this
is
a
specific.
It's
a
direct
source
capture
system,
that's
specific
as
far
as
the
grant
goes
and
it's
the
safest
way
to
do
it.
There
are
different
types
of
products
out
there
that
attach
directly
to
the
exhaust
system.
This
one
is
actually
in-house
that
attaches
to
the
exhaust
system
once
the
apparatus
starts
and
they
leave
the
bay
it
actually
ejects
automatically
as
they
drive
out.
C
So
it
keeps
some
of
that
stuff
down,
so
they
put
in
for
the
grant
and
again
120
000,
for
that
is
what
we
want.
If,
where
we
are
unsuccessful
with
grant
and
that's
for
five
stations,
six
is
gonna.
It's
gonna
be
built
in
with
the
station
automatically.
So
it's
going
to
be
with
that.
C
C
F
E
C
All
right,
another
thing
we
applied
for
with
the
grant
the
fire
prevention
grant
is
a
fire
safety
trailer.
This
is
actually
replied,
as
this
is
a
regional
asset.
We
partnered
with
ocoee
winner
park
in
maitland
to
put
in
for
this
grant
together
with
the
covid
era.
This
is
something
that
we
can
actually
trail
around
take
to
different
places,
demonstrations
our
our
key
kind
of
target
and
program.
We
want
to
start
if
there's
a
house
fire
in
a
certain
area,
a
certain
street.
C
We
want
to
take
this
out
to
that
area
and
teach
the
people
immediately
have
after
something's
affected
that
fire
safety.
This
also
allows
the
social
distances
and
things
like
that,
because
we
can
kind
of
separate
people
throughout
so
again
a
grant
we
put
in,
for
you
can
see
the
bottom
picture
there.
It's
actual
mimics
fires
and
things
like
that
that
lay
people
can
go
in
and
practice
fire
safety
and
things
like
that.
So
that's
171
thousand
dollars
for
that.
C
Another
thing,
peo
or
public
education
officer
will
want
a
truck
wrap.
That's
something
we'll
probably
be
able
to
squeeze
out
as
well,
but
I
just
wanted
to
put
it
in
here
to
make
sure
thermal
imaging
cameras.
It's
funny.
You
know
when
they
first
came
out.
We
probably
couldn't
have
gotten
a
thermal
imaging
camera
for
double
this
cost,
but
now
because
of
technology
and
things
like
that,
we're
actually
going
to
be
able
to
place
all
10
of
our
front
run.
C
Thermal
imaging
cameras
for
this
amount
technology
has
come
so
far,
and
you
know
prices
have
calmed
down
for
that
and
it's
good
to
update
our
technology
every
now
and
then
so
that's
something
we
put
in
for
as
well.
These
are
the
again
thermal
engine
cameras
that
the
firefighters
would
take
in
to
to
inside
a
fire
and
they're
able
to
navigate
a
little
bit
easier.
C
Replacement
recliners
for
station
one
and
four.
This
is
a
lot
of
wear
and
tear
of
those
different
things
and
again
having
that
number
of
personnel
sitting
in
each
day.
It's
kind
of
something
we
need
to
how.
C
Is
that
station
one
is
coming
here.
C
Yeah
14
and
then
five
at
station
four,
so
about
20.
C
extrication
he
draw
extrication
tool
set.
This
is
a
full
set
of
the
jaws
of
life,
something
we
just
want
to
kind
of
get
ahead
of
we're
we're
doing
good.
Now,
it's
just
something
always
to
have
if
something
goes
out
of
service
or
something
to
replace
it
with,
but
that's
about
34
000
in
with
our
future
trucks
coming
online.
That's
something
we
want
to
have
in
place
for
those.
C
That's
all
a
full
set,
so
that's
the
cutter,
the
spreader
and
the
ram,
which
is
that
telescoping
place
and
just
we've,
we've
actually
gotten
this
from
through
a
firehouse
subs
grant
something
we're
going
to
be
pursuing
in
the
near
future
as
well.
It's
about
time
we
can
review
for
that
as
well.
C
Grant
request
next
year
right
now,
another
thing
forcible
entry
door
prop.
This
is
something
that
we've
built
a
couple
of
them
down,
but
again
wear
and
tear
and
guys
and
girls
just
practicing
on
them.
They
do
break
a
lot.
This
is
a
more
resilient
one
for
our
training
we'd
like
down
at
the
train
center
and,
of
course,
as
we
mentioned
before,
three
hundred
per
firefighter
for
those
fire
related
training
courses
outside
of
what
we
can
offer
here
in
this.
B
This
is
included,
this
is
included.
I
was
going
to
say,
training,
I
think,
is
so
important
in
in
a
as
a
pilot.
That's
one
of
the
reasons
that
pilots,
because
they
pass
a
test
and
then
they
don't
do
it
often
they
can
miss
something
simple
and
cost
their
life,
and
I
think
especially
in
this,
we
really
need
to
make
sure
that
that
everybody's
getting
the
training
they
need.
C
We
have
our
apparatus
eventually,
once
we
get
this
new
truck
and
things
we're
not
we're
not
going
to
get
rid
of
anything
we're
going
to
use
a
lot.
Our
reserve
reserve
kind
of
as
a
training
apparatus
down
the
train
station,
all
of
our
hoses
hose
testing
equipment.
Things
like
that.
We
time
that
on
purpose,
but.
C
Make
sure
we
have
somewhere,
we
can
actually
store
some
of
that
stuff,
so
that
would
include
the
building
itself
and
the
cement
work.
It
would
take
to
do
that.
C
Next
again,
the
second
district
chief
vehicle
getting
with
charlie
from
fleet.
This
is
something
that,
because
we
can
estimate
we
get
for
fifty
thousand
dollars,
this
would
include
the
backing
the
striping
everything
that
comes
with
it,
the
radios,
everything
like
that
and
for
something
we're
going
to
obviously
ask
for
in
just
a
few
seconds,
the
replacement
engine
we
talked
about.
Engine
11,
replacing
1998,
will
replace
engine
4
front
line
a
very
similar
truck
there.
C
We
actually
established
a
apparatus
committee
this
year
to
have
a
group
of
our
guys
and
kind
of
look
at
what
we
think
is
what
they
want
out
of
a
fire
truck
things
they
like
things.
They
don't
like
things
like
that.
So
moving
forward
this,
because
it's
going
to
be
at
station
four.
C
It
is
more
of
our
industrial
area,
obviously,
and
with
the
airport
and
such
we
wanted
it
to
be
more
of
a
class
b
foam
except
the
differences
class
b
is
more
flame
of
I'm
sorry,
flammable
liquids
and
things
like
that.
So
not
be
a
high
volume.
High
foam
capacity
truck
versus
most
of
our
regular
trucks
are
a
which
is
normal
house
fire.
C
They
have
the
caf
systems
and
things
like
that
so
and
some
of
the
valves
and
things
that
certain
people
liked
or
didn't
like
they
had
input
on
it,
and
so
we
were
able
to
establish
that
so.
F
Commissioners,
this
one
is
included
in
your
budget.
If
you
recall
we
talked
about
this
last
year,
they
you
know
were
able
to
get
by
with
the
one
that
they
had,
which
I
think
he's
going
to
take-
that
one
and
put
it
into
reserve
retire
that
one
for
the
reserves.
This
will
be
the
new
one.
This
is
in
the
budget
and
if
you
recall
the
duke
energy
monies
that
we
received,
we
funded
three
hundred
thousand.
You
earmarked
your
designated
three
hundred
thousand
it
will.
It
will
be
used
to
pay
for
a
portion
of
this.
C
Then
the
next
one
you'll
see
and
it's
the
same
picture,
but
this
is
actually
requesting
for
engine
51
replacements
in
2001.,
replace
engine
one
front
line
again
forward
thinking.
It
is
a
little
bit
higher
priced
again
because
of
that
calf's
system,
and
this
price
would
include
the
truck
all
the
systems
that
come
with
it
and
the
equipment
as
well.
C
So
that
you
know,
is
about
eight
hundred
thousand
for
that
feature
here:
ems
again
kind
of
hitting
around
it,
but
additional
district
chief
position
currently
right
now
we
have
one
district
chief
that
is
in
charge
of
seven
lieutenants
span
of
control
is
something
that's
used
in
the
fire
service.
C
Adequate
numbers
anywhere
between
five
and
seven.
Is
your
maximum
span
of
control
right
now,
we're
at
seven
adding
this.
This
district
chief,
obviously
is,
would
help
with
that
span
of
control,
providing
that
safe
operation
safety,
as
well
as
the
needs
redundancy
in
that
position.
C
If
there
is,
we
talked
about
two
incidents,
commissioner
happening
at
the
same
time.
Right
now
we
have
one
district
chief.
If
we
have
two
incidents
now
we'll
be
able
to
send
two.
Currently,
we
also
use
what
we
call
command:
support,
they're
off-duty
personnel
that
take
a
vehicle
home
with
them.
They
can
respond
from
their
homeland
as
long
as
they
live
within
a
certain
parameter,
but
this
this
position
particular
would
be
a
staffed
on
shift
position.
So.
D
E
C
Yes,
that
would
that
additional
additional
right
now
we
have
one-
I
want
two,
so
we
can
spread
out
so
instead
of
having
seven
lieutenants
under
one.
For
now,
we
might
have
three
under
one
and
four
under
the
other,
as
far
as
as
far
as
the
chain
of
command
and
also
response
areas.
C
C
We
have
one
per
shift,
so
a
shift
is
the
entire
24
hour
shift
today
is
actually
today
right,
hey
c
tomorrow
will
be
a
the
next
day,
be
you
know
it's
a
24
hour
on
48
off,
so
we
have
one
district
chief
per
shift
for
a
total
of
three
we're
asking
now
for
six
last
year
we
were
looking
at
some
a
type
of
program,
we're
looking
at
just
to
add
one,
but
now
we
want
three
just
to
because
we're
growing.
C
We
know
where
it's
getting
there,
the
plus
side
of
all
this
way,
you
know
to
me
this
is
important,
vitally
important.
You
know
something
we
need
in
in
position
supervisory
roles.
Someone
outside
you
know
who's
in
command.
Different,
you
know,
having
having
a
strong
command,
is
as
safe
as
safe
as
you
can
get
now.
C
Also
that
second
person
be
able
to
augment
that
person
as
a
safety
officer,
or
things
like
that.
So
this
again
is
just
the
span
of
control,
and
we
need
that
for
operational.
Our
operational
needs
again.
Some
of
the
roles
they
play
day-to-day
operations
rosters,
to
control
the
time,
trades
and
personal
time
off
things
like
that,
respond
to
all
major
incidents
within
the
city
they're.
The
incident
commander
work
with
fleet
maintenance,
administrative
side
again
we're
looking
at
them
to
do
qa.
So
the
reports
helped
assist
that
other
position.
C
We've
asked
for
prior
shift
follow-up,
and
you
know
they
also
want
the
report
and
alternate
for
district
one
on
emergency
calls.
So
if
district
one
is
out
that
district
two
can,
if
need
be,
can
go
over
there
and
help
vice
versa
and
then
again
assisting
us
with
the
projects
and
special
duties.
So
again
it
benefits
it
increases
our
span
of
control
during
high
peak
times
provides
redundancy.
C
C
I
believe
the
last
time
we
had
a
district
chief
test
was
well
over
a
decade
ago.
You
know
it's:
it's
we're
trying
to
get
that
going
and
also
increase
our
quality
quality
assurance
program
so
and
then
the
ask
for
that
is
309,
that's
just
salaries,
big
one
and
again
I
can't
over
emphasize
this
enough
training
opportunity,
paramedic
program.
I
want
to
send
nine
of
our
guys
and
girls
to
the
paramedic
program
this
year.
We've
had
you
know
a
lot
of
advancements.
C
C
C
So,
in
my
opinion,
it's
better
to
send
our
own
people
that
we've
known
and
vetted
and
trained
through
this
program
make
that
investment
and
that
got
into
the
programs
you
talked
about
before
you
know:
they'll
sign
a
contract,
and
if
we
get
this
number
or
even
higher,
we
can
use
an
in-house
program
as
well.
So
it's
something
that's
a
little
bit
easier.
We've
done!
We've
done
in
the
past.
So
with
that.
E
C
E
C
C
E
K
Good
evening
mayor
commissioners,
real
quick
overview
for
the
past
five
years,
the
apopka
police
department
has
looked
at
how
to
best
place
the
city
and
tweak
our
budget.
We
have
looked
at
technology
to
help
us
work
smarter
with
the
resources
we
have.
We
have
also
recognized
the
agency
reorganize
the
agency
to
try
to
be
more
efficient
in
the
services
we
provide
to
the
community
based
on
the
changes
and
measurements
we
monitor.
We
have
submitted
our
budget
and
prepared
a
presentation
to
document
our
accomplishments,
along
with
providing
our
needs
and
concerns.
K
As
we
move
forward,
let
me
see
which
one
of
those
over
the
last
several
years
we've
tried
to
prepare
budget
requests
that
were
physically
responsible
and
that
addressed
our
needs
to
ensure
the
apopka
police
department
was
well
trained
and
continue
to
provide
a
high
level
of
service
to
our
community.
We
have
also
managed
our
adopted
budgets
to
ensure
that
we
stayed
within
allocated
funding.
K
K
Our
city
has
continued
to
grow
over
the
past
several
past
four
years,
while
the
police
department
has
not
kept
up
with
that
growth,
making
safety
a
priority
as
the
city
continues
to
see,
rapid
and
increased
growth,
the
safety
of
our
community
will
always
be
a
top
concern
of
our
residents.
An
investment
in
public
safety
fosters
trust,
gets
people
engaged
in
their
communities
and
supports
economic
activity.
K
Public
safety
perceptions
are
used
by
community
members
to
determine
how
safe
they
feel
and
in
quality
of
life.
Rankings
places
with
lower
crime
rates
are
perceived
as
more
desirable
and
attract
visitors,
businesses,
new
residents
and
an
increased
talent
pool
when
people
feel
safe,
they
conduct
business
in
their
community
and
they
participate
in
local
business,
dining
and
entertainment
offerings.
K
Police
department
accomplishments
this
past
year,
as
you
know,
was
an
extremely
challenging
year
for
the
apopka
police
department
due
to
covet
19
at
events
that
occurred
around
the
country.
Unfortunately,
those
events
that
didn't
reflect
us
did
affect
us
covet
19
changed
the
way
our
communication
center
received
and
dispatched
calls
for
service.
It
changed
how
our
police
officers
responded
to
calls
for
service
and
interacted
with
victims,
witnesses
and
suspects
events
around
the
country.
K
K
We
conducted
right
training,
racial
intelligence,
training,
de-escalation,
training
and
fair
and
impartial
training
to
ensure
our
personnel
were
trained
and
aware
of
the
issues
facing
the
police
profession.
Over
the
past
year
last
year
we
were
awarded
approximately
163
thousand
dollars
in
grants
and
we've
applied
for
10
officers
in
the
2021
cops
hiring
grant
that's
going
to
be
worth
approximately
700
000.
K
Coven
19
significantly
impacted
our
community
policing
efforts
this
past
year,
even
with
the
impact
of
covet
19
on
had
on
the
agency
and
our
community,
we
are
still
able
to
complete
our
annual
shop
with
a
cop
event.
Once
again,
it
was
very
successful
and
we
were
able
to
provide
a
christmas
to
130
children
over
a
five-day
period.
So,
as
you
all
know,
we
changed
it
from
a
one-day
period
to
a
five-day
period.
K
With
that,
I
want
to
make
sure
that
the
men
and
women
of
the
apopka
police
department
know
that
I'm
proud
and
honored.
I
must
say,
I'm
proud
of
all
the
members
of
the
apopka
police
department,
the
way
they
dealt
with
the
adversities
they
faced
last
year.
It
has
truly
been
an
honor
to
work
with
each
and
every
one
of
them.
K
This
chart
shows
the
consistent
growth
of
the
city
over
the
past
16
years.
The
city
continues
to
grow
at
a
steady
and
fast
rate,
for
example,
from
2019
to
2020.
The
city
grew
by
approximately
1228
residents.
Just
this
growth
alone
would
have
required,
adding
an
additional
2.56
officers
just
to
maintain
our
current
per
capita.
However,
during
this
period,
the
police
department
did
not
receive
any
new
authorized
positions.
K
Adding
those
officers
would
have
maintained
our
per
capita
rate
at
2.14,
which,
as
you
will
see
later
in
the
presentation,
would
have
still
left
us
below
the
local
agency
per
capita
average
of
2.39
officers
per
thousand
without
adding
new
officers
to
account
for
this
growth
per
capita.
Our
per
capita
in
just
one
year
dropped
from
2.14
officers
per
thousand
residents
to
2.09
officers
per
thousand.
K
Apocalypse
continues
to
grow.
In
2010,
there
were
15
707
households
in
apopka.
In
2020,
the
number
of
households
had
increased
to
19
920..
This
represents
a
26.8
increase
in
the
number
of
households.
The
2010
consensus
showed
a
population
in
apopka
of
41
542
residents
in
april
2020,
the
city
of
apopka's
community
development
department,
estimated
the
population
of
apopka
six
at
53
two
residents.
This
is
an
increase
of
twelve
thousand
and
ninety
residents
from
two
thousand
and
ten.
This
represents
a
twenty
nine
point:
one
percent
increase
in
our
residential
population
in
ten
years.
K
K
Currently,
there
are
7
270
dwelling
units
planned
or
under
construction
in
the
city
of
apopka.
This
is
up
from
5777
dwelling
units
planned
or
under
construction.
Last
year,
when
I
did
my
presentation
based
on
census
estimates,
there
are
now
an
average
of
three
persons
per
household.
This
residential
growth
will
add
an
estimated
21
810
residents
to
the
city
of
apopka
over
the
next
few
years.
This
is
up
from
an
estimated
15
484
last
year,
in
addition
to
the
residential
growth
there's,
approximately
11
million
square
foot
of
industrial
commercial
growth
planned
on
or
under
construction.
K
K
It
shows
our
authorized
positions
since
2007
fiscal
year.
As
you
can
see,
the
growth
of
the
police
department
has
been
nominal
compared
to
the
population
and
square
mile
growth
of
the
city.
Since
fy
16,
we
have
only
added
four
officers
to
the
police
department.
However,
with
growth
over
the
same
time,
we
should
have
had
should
have
added
at
least
nine,
to
maintain
our
perk
per
capita.
K
K
K
K
K
K
This
year,
our
per
capita
has
dropped
from
2.14
officers
per
1000
to
2.09.
As
I
mentioned
again,
this
does
not
seem
significant
until
you
look
at
the
actual
officers
needed
to
just
reach
the
state
average
to
reach
the
state
average
of
2.43
officers
per
thousand
residents.
The
apopka
police
department
should
have
130
authorized
sworn
law
enforcement
positions.
Last
year
it
was
126
due
to
growth,
that's
increased.
K
G
K
It
was
yeah
we
needed
126
in
my
budget
presentation
last
year
to
get
to
the
2.43
officers
per
thousand.
Now
we're
up
to
needing
130
authorized
positions
to
reach
the
local
municipality
average
of
2.39
officers
per
thousand
residents.
The
apopka
police
department
would
need
128
authorized
sworn
law
enforcement
positions.
Last
year.
It
was
125
that
we
would
have
needed
again.
We
are
currently
authorizing
112
sworn
positions
just
to
reach
a
local
agency
average.
We
need
to
hire
an
additional
16
police
officers.
K
This
puts
the
apopka
police
department
behind
in
the
number
of
personnel
needed
to
continue
to
provide
at
least
the
current
level
of
service
we
provide
to
our
community.
If
we
do
not
add
any
police
officers,
this
physical
year,
we
will
fall
even
further
behind
and
the
service
we
are
able
to
provide
to
our
community
will
suffer.
K
As
we
look
at
other
metrics
other
than
just
per
capita,
as
we
mentioned
with
the
fire
department,
we
must
look
at
other
metrics
and
in
this
case
we
looked
at
our
officers
per
square
mile,
like
we
did
last
year
to
this
point
in
the
presentation
we've
addressed
the
per
capita
when
looking
at
the
need
for
additional
swarm
positions,
we
can't
just
look
at
the
that
one
data
set.
It
is
also
important
that
we
look
at
the
era
of
responsibility
of
the
police
department,
the
city
of
apoca
spans
over
35
square
miles.
K
K
This
slide
shows
how
many
officers
each
city
has
per
square
mile.
The
average
number
of
officers
per
square
mile
for
those
cities
listed
is
5.16.
As
noted
on
the
screen.
The
cities
of
altamonte
springs,
windermere,
new,
smyrna
and
leesburg
were
removed
from
this
chart
because
they
were
outliers
in
their
numbers,
as
you
can
see,
in
addition
to
the
one
of
the
lowest,
in
addition
to
one
of
the
lowest
per
capitas
in
the
area,
we
also
have
the
second
lowest
officer
per
square
mile
ratio
for
the
agencies
listed.
K
I
K
K
The
challenge
facing
the
apopka
police
department
is
just
not
the
population
growth,
but
the
sprawling
growth
of
the
city.
The
apopka
police
department
has
an
average
of
3.15
officers
per
square
mile
down
from
last
year
of
3.2,
while
the
average
officers
per
square
mile
in
the
local
law
enforcement
agencies
is
5.16.
K
The
average
error
covered
by
the
agencies
is
21.87
square
miles,
as
I
mentioned,
and
they
have
an
average
of
109.9
officers
to
cover
that
21.87
square
miles.
The
apopka
police
department
is
required
to
cover
35.5
mile
square
miles
with
112
police
officers.
This
lack
of
sufficient
personnels,
affecting
our
response
times
to
some
parts
of
the
city
and
at
the
city
and
as
the
city
continues
to
expand
our
response
times
and
level
of
service
to
our
community
will
continue
to
be
affected
when
looking
at
our
manpower
needs.
K
K
Our
response
times,
as
you
can
see
this
slide,
compares
our
response
times
from
2019
to
2000
from
2020,
for
each
priority
call
for
service
if
you're
not
familiar
with
it
priority.
One
is
our
emergency
calls
for
service
priority
two
there's
low
numbers
there.
That's
usually
because
they're
wrapped
into
priority
one
numbers
and
then
priority
three
is
not
lights
and
sirens
are
not
a
priority.
It's
just
we
get
there
as
we
can
get
there
due
to
covet.
Our
dispatch
calls
for
service
last
year
did
go
down
by
approximately
12
percent.
K
One
reason
for
the
decrease
is
dispatch
calls
in
the
dispatch
calls
was
due
to
covet
and
the
shift
in
the
way
we
did
business
due
to
covet.
We
began
handling
some
of
the
calls
over
the
phone
instead
of
dispatching
a
police
officer,
as
you
can
see
the
response
times
for
priority
one
and
two
increased
last
year,
even
though
our
calls
for
service
decreased,
our
priority
three
response
times
were
down
slightly
from
the
previous
year.
K
Unfortunately,
due
to
the
continued
low
staffing
levels
and
the
increase
in
the
size
of
our
city,
our
response
times
for
emergency
and
priority
calls
for
service
continue
to
increase
the
increase
the
year
before.
Also
to
address
this
short
to
address
this
problem
short
term.
We're
in
the
process
of
increasing
our
minimum
staffing
for
each
sift,
we've
already
changed
our
policy
requiring
more
people
on
shift.
K
This
slide
shows
our
dispatch
calls
for
service
by
zone,
and
it
shows
that
our
response
time
for
priority
calls
for
service
increased
again
last
year
in
four
of
our
five
patrol
zones.
As
we
will
see
in
the
next
section
of
the
presentation,
we
continue
to
spend
a
lot
of
time
addressing
crime
in
the
cra,
which
requires
our
officers
to
be
concentrated
more
towards
downtown.
K
Violent
crime
in
the
cra
was
slightly
down
again
in
2020,
so
that's
two
years
in
a
row
that
we've
been
able
to
address
some
of
the
violent
crime
in
the
cra
area
and
it
has
dropped
this
marks
the
second
year
in
a
row
that
has
been
down
the
cra
is
approximately
one
square
mile,
633
acres
and
houses
less
than
five
percent
of
the
city's
residents.
Although
cra
accounts
for
a
very
small
portion
of
the
city,
it
accounts
for
28
percent
of
our
violent
crime
that
is
down
from
31
percent
in
2019.
K
K
Our
uniform
crime
reporting
for
last
year
shows
that
violent
crime
in
the
city
was
up
in
2020
by
an
additional
42
crimes,
which
equates
to
a
20
increase.
Apopka
is
not
was
not
isolated
from
what
occurs
around
the
country
and,
unfortunately,
we
have
all
probably
seen
or
heard
that
violent
crime
rose
across
the
entire
country
last
year.
Unfortunately,
this
trend
is
continuing
this
year.
Currently
driving
our
numbers
is
theft
by
sudden
snatching
which
under
florida
statutes
is
a
robbery.
K
K
K
K
With
the
current
staffing,
we
have
26
communication
technicians
and
one
manager.
When
everyone
is
at
a
station,
we
have
the
ability
to
have
personnel
dispatch,
handle
teletype
duties.
Well,
excuse
me,
while
having
one
call
taker
and
the
supervisor
is
free
to
oversee
the
communication
center
and
assist
where
needed
when
someone
utilizes
a
pto
day
or
calls
in
sick,
which
occurs
almost
daily.
The
supervisor
has
to
take
a
position
and
is
not
available
to
supervise
or
assist
a
dispatcher
call
taker
during
a
critical
excuse.
K
This
slide
shows
the
service
calls
for
service
into
the
communication
center
over
the
past
five
years
until
the
onset
of
covet
19.
The
calls
for
service
handled
by
the
apopka
communications
center
were
continuing
to
increase
as
covet
19
subsides
and
with
the
growth
of
the
city.
We
anticipate
this
trend
to
resume.
K
This
slide
shows
calls
received
in
the
communication
center
for
the
apopka
fire
department
and
public
services.
I
think
what
a
lot
of
people
don't
realize
is
when
public
services
goes
home
around
five
o'clock,
their
calls
go
into
the
comm
center
so
that
they
can
handle
and
dispatch
whatever
public
services
maybe
need
it's
a
water
line,
water
main
break
or
something
like
that.
D
I
K
E
Asked
to,
let
me
just
ask
you:
do
you
have
a
number
of
after
five
where
you
said
these
emergency
calls
now
go
through
the
comp
center?
How
many
of
those
calls
come
in
after
five?
I.
K
Don't
know
the
exact
number,
I
know
that
a
couple
years
ago
we
did
incorporate
an
answering
service
to
a
lot
of
the
services
so
that
they
do
go
to
voicemail
now,
but
there
are
certain
services
that
still
route
to
the
com
center.
We
did
significantly
reduce
that
number,
but
there
is
still
a
good
percentage.
I
mean
I'm
sorry
it
might
be
on
the
slide.
To
be
honest
with
you,
let
me
figure
out
how
to
go
backwards
here.
K
Depending
on
what
the
call
for
service
is,
we
will
call
the
on-call
person
to
come
out
and
address
it.
Traffic
light
out,
like
I
said,
a
water
main
break,
or
something
like
that.
If
it's
not,
then
we'll
refer
them
to
call
back
during
business
hours.
K
K
Sometimes
what
we
don't
feel
is
a
crisis
is
a
crisis
to
somebody
and
they
use
9-1-1
for
that
service.
So
obviously
we're
going
to
treat
them
like
it
is
a
crisis
and
we're
going
to
try
to
help
them
in
any
way.
We
can,
I
don't
see
any
way
of
us
not
encouraging
someone
to
call
9-1-1.
Obviously
you
were
in
the
business
for
a
long
time.
I
always
use
my.
K
Situation
of
you
know-
and
this
is
what
I
tell
the
police
officers
when
somebody
calls
9-1-1
to
them-
they're
in
a
crisis
to
them,
everything's
stopped.
They
don't
know
what
to
do
so.
They've
called
the
police
department.
That
includes
the
call
that
we
get
quite
often
during
school.
Of
my
seven-year-old
won't
go
to
school.
K
D
K
Make
your
seven-year-old
go
to
school
but
to
them
they're
in
a
crisis,
so
we're
going
to
go,
help
them
and
see
what
we
can
do
to
intervene
in
that
family
crisis
and
help
them.
So
you
know
I
equate
the
same
with
public
services
to
them.
If
they've
lost
a
public
service
after
five
o'clock,
they're,
probably
going
to
call
9-1-1
and
see
what
the
problem
is.
K
So
we've
done
a
lot
of
things
to
mitigate
that,
like
I
said
by
putting
phone
answering
services
on
a
lot
of
the
offices
down
at
public
services,
so
they
can
leave
a
message.
If
that's
what
they
choose
to
do,
how
we
get
past
that
other
than
that
to
stop
people
from
calling
911.
I
don't
think
we're
going
to
be
able
to
do
it,
so
it
is,
and
I'm
not
I'm
sure
it's
pawn,
not
unique
to
the
city
of
apopka.
K
An
overview
of
our
vehicle
situation.
Overall,
we
are
pretty
good
in
our
vehicles
with
the
police
department,
and
currently,
the
police
department
has
160
vehicles
in
its
fleet.
These
vehicles
include
marked
patrol
cars,
unmarked
vehicles
and
special
vehicles,
such
as
the
mrap
and
citizen
on
patrol
vehicles.
Last
year
we
ordered
13
2021
vehicles
under
the
budget.
K
Unfortunately,
10
of
them
haven't
been
delivered
because
they're
sitting
there
waiting
for
their
chips,
so
we
are
a
little
bit
behind
on
getting
our
vehicles
and
the
next
few
slides
just
show
you
some
of
the
cars
what
the
mileage
is
on
our
vehicles.
What
type
of
vehicles
we
have
again,
the
majority
of
our
fleet
is
our
explorers,
interceptors
and
various
unmarked.
K
Okay,
as
you
can
see,
we
have
vehicles
in
our
fleet
from
1994
to
2021.
Overall,
our
fleet
is
in
pretty
good
shape.
Vehicles
are
replaced
based
on
several
factors.
We
don't
just
replace
them
by
year.
Some
of
our
vehicles,
like
our
canine
vehicles,
they're
running
all
the
time
they
have
to
run
with
the
dogs
in
them,
so
they're
getting
a
lot
of
idling
hours
on
them,
which
affects
the
engine
and
their
performance.
K
We
have
found
that
it
looks
like
we're
going
to
be
able
to
keep
most
of
our
patrol
vehicles
as
long
as
they
don't
have
any.
You
know
inherent
effects
in
them
for
about
eight
years
with
our
current
fleet.
That
means
we're
going
to
have
to
replace
about
19
vehicles
a
year,
some
of
that's
going
to
come
like
if
we
do
hire
10
officers
this
year
and
we
hire
10
v
and
we
purchase
10
vehicles.
In
addition
to
the
11
or
12
we're
asking
for
this
year,
that's
going
to
bring
us
to
a
big
year.
K
It
may
not,
because
sometimes
each
car
gets
reaches
mileage.
We're
not
just
looking
at
the
year
we're
looking
at
the
mileage
of
the
vehicle
we're
looking
at
the
maintenance
records
we
talked
to
charlie
before
we
start
deciding
how
to
order
them,
because
we
may
have
a
car
with
130
000
miles.
That's
out
there
performing
really
well,
and
we
may
have
one
at
103
000
miles,
that's
down
to
fleet
every
other
weekend
and
it's
time
to
get
rid
of
that
one
before
we
get
rid
of
the
other
one
and
then
we'll
cycle
the
other
one
out.
K
You
know
we
may
be
replacing
2013
this
year
and
you
may
wonder
why
we
still
have
the
2009
well,
because
it's
been
better
shape
and
it's
not
down
to
fleet
all
the
time
and
there's
some
vehicles,
charlie,
will
call
and
say
you
really
need
to
get
rid
of
this
thing.
You
know
it's
costing
him
more
money
to
maintain
it
than
it
is
for
us
to
hang
on
to
it.
So.
K
K
The
request
was
to
receive
funding
for
10
additional
law
enforcement
officers,
if
received,
the
cops
grant
will
provide
up
to
75
of
the
approved
entry-level
salaries
and
french
benefits,
which
is
approximately
seventy
six
thousand
dollars
a
year
with
french
benefits
of
full-time
officers
for
a
three-year
period.
This
is
a
minute
there
is
a
minimum
25
percent
match
of
the
local
grant
of
the
grant
from
the
local
community.
The
grant
period
is
actually
for
five
years.
That'll
allow
us
time
to
hire
those
officers
during
the
grant
period
and
recoup
our
grant
money
for
them.
K
Since
the
grant
solicitation
came
out
so
late
this
year,
there's
a
strong
possible
probability
that
we
will
not
know
if
we
receive
the
grant
funding
until
after
you
have
approved
the
2122
fiscal
year
budget.
So
that
brings
us
to
the
quagmire
in
my
budget
because
I
do
have
the
personnel
in
the
budget
they're
not
funded.
As
we
wait
for
this
grant
to
decide
whether
we
get
it,
the
last
I
heard
is
they're
looking
at
september,
30th,
probably
before
they
make
the
awards
for
the
cops
grand.
K
So
that's
going
to
be
past
the
time
that
you
are
going
to
approve
our
fiscal
year.
So
what
I'm
asking
you
to
keep
in
mind
is
the
fact
that
we
may
have
to
revisit
this.
If
we
don't
get
all
10
or
we
don't
get
any
through
the
cops
grant,
because
right
now
it
is
not
budgeted
in
my
budget,
okay,
so
field
services
again
the
biggest-
and
this
is
the
biggest
part
of
our
budget
increase
10
new
police
officer
positions.
Like
I
said
in
2019,
the
police
officer
police
department
was
authorized
for
additional
positions.
K
Those
went
to
sr
sro
positions
and
did
not
fill
up
or
increase
our
patrol
responsibilities.
They'll
assist
in
keeping
with
residential
and
commercial
population
increase.
As
I
mentioned,
there's
a
lot
of
growth
going
on
they'll
assist
with
the
need
to
improve
our
per
capita
numbers
to
be
closer
and
in
line
with
the
state
average
to
increase
the
officer
per
square
miles
ratio
to
assist
in
covering
the
35
and
a
half
square
miles
of
the
city.
I'll
ensure
the
police
department
continues
to
provide
at
least
the
same
level
of
service
to
our
community.
K
G
K
E
K
I
mean
obviously
we
are
accredited.
We've
maintained
our
accreditation
for
the
last
four
years
now,
which
we're
very
proud
of.
We
are
keeping
up
with
best
practices
and,
as
I
mentioned
earlier,
you
know
we
had
some
law
enforcement
face
some
big
challenges.
We
immediately
brought
the
training
we
needed
to
our
officers
to
make
sure
they
were
able
to
understand
some
of
the
challenges
faced
with
racial
profiling
and
other
things
that
went
on
around
the
country.
K
So
you
know
we're
fortunate,
but
no
there
isn't
anything
that
goes
out
like
the
iso
rating.
I
think
that,
obviously
one
of
the
factors
we
look
at
is
how
to
me
is
how
safe
our
residents
feel,
and
I
think
overall,
most
of
the
communication
I
have
with
our
residents
is
they
currently
feel
safe
in
the
city
of
apopka,
but
we
do
have
to
address
our
lack
of
police
officers
in
this
city.
E
And
what
about
our
response
time
to
the
calls?
How
is
that.
K
Well,
as
I
mentioned
it's
going
up,
we
take
it
from
the
time
the
call
comes
into
the
com
center
to
the
time
the
officer
arrives
at
the
scene
and
again
because
we
are
spending
a
lot
of
concentrated
time
in
the
area
around
city
hall,
the
downtown
area,
the
cra
area.
It
makes
our
response
time
out
down
to
sheila
down
to
the
hospital
and
up
north
to
the
kelley
park
area.
That's
you
know,
we
all
know
is
getting
ready
to.
K
You
know
obviously
they're
going
to
that's
what
we
get
paid
for
that's
what
they
signed
on
for,
if
there's
something
significant
happening
and
they
have
to
go
they're
going
to
go
by
themselves.
I
have
no
question,
no
doubt
that
every
police
officer
in
the
apopka
police
department
will
respond
by
themselves
if
they
have
to.
If
we
can
make
it
safer
for
the
people
that
were
responding
to
a
help
and
our
officers
they're
going
to
try
to
wait
for
somebody
to
be
there
to
help
them.
K
K
We
have
applied
for
a
grant,
a
one-to-one
match
for
body
cameras.
We
didn't
think
we
qualified,
so
we
actually
wrote
lieutenant
wartman
wrote
the
federal
government
and
asked
them
if
we
would
qualify
because
the
way
the
grant
is
written,
it
was
a
little
subjective.
We
already
have
a
body-worn
camera
program.
It
looked
like
it
was
to
provide
agencies
that
didn't
have
one,
but
they
did
respond
and
say
as
long
as
we're
improving
our
technology,
we
qualify
for
the
grant,
so
we
did
submit
for
the
grant.
It
was
submitted
a
couple
days
ago.
K
So
it's
in
there.
We
are
going
to
improve
our
technology.
That's
one
of
the
reasons
we
need
new
body
cameras.
Our
current
body
cameras
have
not
kept
up
with
technology;
they
don't
auto,
activate
some
of
the
new
cameras
when
you
get
out
of
your
car.
The
camera
comes
on.
When
you
turn
on
your
lights.
The
camera
comes
on
cars.
Don't
have
that
capability,
they
also
have
the
capability
of
group
activate
when
more
than
one
police
officer
is
together.
K
Their
body
cameras
will
come
on.
These
are
all
things
that
we
can
adjust
and
chan
and
shift
to
meet
our
needs,
but
our
current
body
camera
doesn't
have
those
currently
we're
having
a
problem
importing
into
evidence
programs.
So
we
have
a
secondary
program
that
takes
it
from
the
body
camera
to
put
it
into
our
evidence
program.
K
The
company
did
just
ship
us
some
for
free
this
last
time
upon
us
complaining
about
them.
Our
current
body
cameras
only
have
a
30
second
pre-record
option.
There
are
more
cameras
out
there
with
a
longer
backup
period.
So
if
the
camera
wasn't
activated,
it's
still
recording
and
you
have
up
to
a
minute
or
so
before
you
turn
it
on
that's
still
being
recorded
by
the
camera.
Behind
the
scenes.
K
We've
also
had
problems
with
the
night
recording
it's
blurry,
it's
difficult
to
see
in
low
light
conditions
on
our
current
cameras,
so
we've
had
technical
issues.
This
is
our
biggest
one
of
our
biggest
problems.
Downloading
the
software
isn't
working
properly
sometimes,
and
so,
when
the
officer
goes
to
get
their
camera,
the
storage
is
full
and
that's
not
doing
any
of
us
any
good,
because
we
know
in
today's
environment
we
need
those
body
cameras
working.
K
We
need
them
to
record
every
interaction
that
they
have
with
the
community
so
that
they
can
show
that
you
know
what
occurred
on
that
scene.
If
we
need
to-
and
as
I
mentioned,
we've
applied
for
a
federal
grant
to
assist
with
the
funding
it's
a
one-to-one
match.
I
think
our
part
of
it
we
put
in
for
approximately
two
hundred
thousand
dollars
body
cameras
come
usually
in
a
three
to
five
year
program.
K
K
We
would
like
to
go
to
a
cloud
storage
with
our
body-worn
camera,
so
it
is
a
little
bit
more
expensive
as
far
as
the
program
goes
for
the
police
department,
but
it
will
save
some
money
in
the
I.t
department
because
they're
not
going
to
have
to
continually
buy
servers
back
up
tapes
and
everything
else
required,
and
it's
not
in
our
network.
So
you.
E
Know
so
when
they
they
come
in
at
the
end
of
their
day
with
the
with
their
body
camera,
what
do
they
do
with
that?.
K
They
put
them
in
a
docking
station
and
it
downloads
two
servers
in
the
it
department.
Now
with
the
new
technology
they
could
have
docking
stations
depending
on
which
direction
we
want
to
go.
We
could
allow
them
to
have
docking
stations
at
home.
We
could
allow
them
to
put
a
dock
the
docking
station
in
their
car,
so
they
don't
have
to
come
back
and
dock
that
they
don't
have
to
come
when
they're
going
to
work
an
off-duty
job
to
get
their
body
camera,
or
we
can
continue
to
have
docking
stations
at
the
police
department.
K
K
K
E
K
Themselves,
if
they
have
an
interaction
with
the
community,
unless
it's
a
see,
there's
some
discrepancy
in
the
paul,
not
discrepancy,
but
some
opportunities
in
the
policy.
If
they're
talking
to
a
confidential
informant,
they
don't
have
to
have
it
on,
because
they're
not
going
to
talk
on
body
camera.
K
If
they're,
you
know
talking
to
a
victim
of
a
certain
type
of
crime,
they
may
not
turn
it
on
because
they
may
not
feel
comfortable
being
recorded
as
they
disclose
what
occurred
to
them
and
stuff
like
that.
We
have
a
very
detailed
policy,
but
for
the
most
part,
when
they
have
a
interaction
with
the
community
they're
supposed
to
have
their
body
cameras
on.
K
K
You
know
they
have
an
expiration
date
now,
although
when
we
turn
in
our
bulletproof
vest,
they
usually
sell
them
to
some
underprivileged
community
or
comp
country,
and
they
use
the
bulletproof
vest
the
way
it
is
we're
putting
life
expectancy
on
everything,
because
then
you
have
to
buy
it
more
often,
so
they
are
not
in
the
budget,
but
we
will
make
a
management
decision
as
to
whether
or
not
we
want
to
replace
them
and
go
with
the
new
version
of
the
taser
that
just
came
out
so.
K
I
K
A
new
vest
out
that's
a
little
bit
thicker
than
the
ones
we're
currently
issuing.
This
is
a
very
comfortable
high
threat
level
vest,
but
now
they've
made
one
that
has
a
ceramic
plate
in
it.
That's
only
about
that
thick,
it
was,
I
think,
200
more
for
a
front
plate,
so
I've
authorized
because
we
did
have
the
funding
that
those
officers
a
little
bit
thicker
vest
too.
K
If
they
want
to
go
to
that
setup,
they
can
have
that
choice
or
they
can
continue
to
wear
the
vest
like
I
wear
currently,
so
we
are
giving
them
some
options
as
to
what
kind
of
protection
they
want
and
that
ceramic
plate
has
really
taken
the
place
of
they
still
have
them
and
we
have
them
in
our
inventory,
we'll
bottom
with
grants.
But
several
years
ago,
maybe
four
or
five
years
ago,
we
bought
the
big
steel
plates
in
carriers
they're
about
30
pounds,
they're
heavy,
it's
all
you
can
do.
K
Sometimes
you
get
out
of
your
trunk,
which
is
a
deterrent
to
some
of
them
using
them
when
they
need
to
use
them
also
as
an
active,
shooter
kit
or
whatever.
So
I
think
that
this
will
help
take
some
of
that
off
of
that
we'll
continue
to
if
we
do
have
an
active
shooter
issue
them
the
solid
steel
plates
they're,
like
I
said,
they're
heavy
they're
hot,
but
they
do
have
that
option
too,
because
obviously
their
safety
is
what's
priority.
K
For
us,
we
are
purchasing
three
new
in-car
camera
systems,
but
in
the
big
scheme
of
everything
that
I
just
mentioned,
that's
insignificant
to
be
honest
with
you
so
support
services.
We
are
requesting
one
code
enforcement
officer.
We
haven't
hired
a
code
enforcement
officer
since
2006.,
since
we
hired
our
last
one.
The
city
has
grown
by
more
than
16
000
residents.
K
So
some
of
the
cost
of
the
officer-
I
don't
know
if
it
will
cover
his
entire
salary-
will
be
recovered
in
some
of
the
fines
that
you
know,
they'll
go
out
and
be
leveraged
against
some
of
the
residents
for
code
enforcement
violations,
foreclosures
and
and
whatever
we
choose
to
do,
can't
give
you
that
amount.
Because
sometimes
you
know
we
work
with
the
homeowner
to
negotiate
fix
the
problem
and
the
fines
will
be
reduced
and
everything
else.
But
there
will
be
some
income
as
we
are
able
to
look
at
more
areas
of
the
city.
C
K
K
We
are
asking
that
one
of
our
positions
be
upgraded
to
a
corporal
with
the
new
k-8
school,
going
on
jason
dwelling
that
will
bring
our
sro
unit
to
nine
plus
a
sergeant
a
span
of
control,
as
was
mentioned
by
the
fire
department.
If
our
sergeant's
off,
we
don't
have
a
supervisor
there,
it
relies
on
the
sergeant.
That's
on
patrol
I'd,
rather
have
a
corporal
in
that
position
so
that
they
can
bounce
from
school
to
school.
If
they
need
to
and
that
we
can
ensure
that
the
proper
supervision
of
our
sros
is
accomplished.
E
So
we
have
nine
right
now,
sros,
how
many
sros
do
we
have
we.
K
Them
communications.
I
went
over
our
communication
statistics.
Although
they
were
down,
we
anticipate,
they
will
continue
to
increase.
We
are
requesting
two
additional
communications
technicians.
They
are
on
our
wish
list.
I
would
like
them
to
be
seriously
considered
because,
again,
right
now,
our
communications
personnel
are
in
there
for
12
hours.
Somebody
leaves,
or
they
uber
lunch
to
them,
bring
lunch
in
they
eat
at
their
console.
I
K
To
get
up
from
our
desk
and
I'm
probably
as
guilty
as
anybody
in
the
world,
I
don't
leave
my
desk
for
lunch
either,
and
I
probably
should
but
they're
in
a
room
with
no
sunlight,
no
access
to
the
outside
for
12
hours
a
day.
They
should
at
least
be
able
to.
You
know,
walk
outside
and
enjoy
some
fresh
air
and
everything
else.
In
addition
to
that,
our
supervisors
are
normally
on
a
console,
and
if
we
have
a
critical
incident
in
the
city,
they
are
tied
up
on
a
console.
K
They
are
not
able
to
break
from
that
console
to
assist
the
dispatcher.
That
may
need
assistance
with
ensuring
that
the
proper
units
are
being
responded
to
that
they're
there
and
available
to
listen
to
the
officers
when
they
need
it
or
the
fire
department,
in
this
case
or
maitlander
or
the
eatonville
police
department.
K
So
we
are
authorized
requesting
that
we
get
to
new
communications
technicians.
It'll
be
extremely
important
if
we
get
the
10
additional
police
positions.
K
K
Of
our
budget
request
is
up
from
last
year.
This
increase
is
due
to
the
need
for
additional
personnel.
At
this
time.
I
can
go
through
our
budget
page
by
page.
If
you'd
like
me
to
most
of
it,
is
pretty
flat.
I
think
I,
if
you
looked
at
my
budget,
I've
noted
in
great
big,
bold
red
letters.
What
changes
were
there?
I
don't
think,
there's
anything
shocking
that
really
went
up.
K
We
did
increase
our
training
budgets
because
we
do
believe
that
we're
going
to
need
training
continuing
to
evolve
with
law
enforcement
and
the
needs
and
things
that
are
changing
in
the
law
enforcement
world.
Right
now,
with
the
growth
of
our
city,
we
have
to
recognize
the
need
to
add
additional
sworn
in
civilian
personnel
to
ensure
we
provide
the
same
level
of
service
to
the
community.
That
they've
come
to
expect.
B
I
B
To
me
is
the
bedrock
everything
that
we
do
and
I
think
we
have
a
fantastic
department.
I
think
you
guys
have
done
a
tremendous
job,
especially
in
the
climate.
That's
been
out
there.
I
know
that
you're
already
ahead
of
all
the
different
things
that
we've
faced
in
in
our
society
already
dealing
with
those
things.
So
we
need
to
make
sure
that
we
stand
behind
you
and
that
we're
funded
and
we've
got
to
get
ahead
of
this
curve
or
it's
it
could
get
bad
fast.
B
K
K
K
If
we
want
to
catch
up
to
the
2.39
or
2.43,
you
know
and
to
me
that's
not
the
scariest.
Our
per
capita
is
not
as
scary
as
our
officers
per
square
mile
to
me,
because
we're
leaving
parts
of
the
community
unprotected
with
a
longer
response
time,
but
it's
also
an
officer
safety
issue
for
our
officers.
They're
required
they're
waiting
longer
for
their
backup
to
get
there.
If
they,
you
know
just
happened
to
be
out
in
you
know
if
they
answered
a
call
up
off
kelly
park
and
an
emergency
call
goes
out
there,
but
everybody.
G
Only
the
last
question
I
meant
to
ask
on
your
last
slide
so,
and
you
answered
it
in
the
in
the
bullet,
so
the
two
people
in
the
comm
center
that
staffing
would
then
alleviate
the
supervisor
to
focus
fully
and
that
would
kind
of
isolate
against
pto
or
sick
time
coming
in
as
long
as,
if
you
had
those
two
additional
that
would
kind
of
protect
you
against
those
scenarios.
K
For
most
occasions
I
mean
you
always
have
the
day
that
two
people
may
call
in
you
have
the
day
that
you
know.
Obviously
we
can
manage
the
pto
and
the
vacation,
but
we
can't
manage
the
sick,
staffing,
comm
centers
right
now,
as
well
as
staffing
law
enforcement
is
a
challenge.
The
orange
county
sheriff's
office
actually
just
sent
out
a
survey
to
all
the
agencies
wanting
to
know
what
they
were
doing
about
staffing
in
their
comm
centers,
because
it's
across
the
board.
K
We
just
had
two
leave
because
they
found
work-at-home
jobs.
A
lot
of
people
have
gone
through
the
pandemic
working
at
home.
That's
a
great
alternative,
a
great
offering
so
we're
having
to
overcome
that
we've
had
some
law
enforcement
officers
just
retire
because
of
the
climate.
You
know
they
would
like
to
place
like
we
did
15
years
ago.
K
Maybe
wouldn't
we
all,
but
that
that
ship
sailed.
We
have
to
police
the
way
our
community
expects
us
to
police
and
the
way
the
country
expects
us
to
police.
So
you
know
we
do
face
some
challenges
with
hiring
and
I'm
not
going
to
kid
anybody.
I
think
everybody
knows
that
it's
not
just
to
us.
It's
to
every
law
enforcement
agency.
K
It's
yeah.
K
Well,
that's
one
of
the
things
that
you
know.
I
will
give
you
an
update,
real
quick
on
the
public
safety
building.
We
did,
you
know,
get
the
contract
that
you
all
approved
and
everything
I
haven't
had
contact,
because
mr
bass
made
me
the
project
manager.
K
K
I
mean,
obviously
it's
not
worth
our
investment
if
we're
going
to
move
to
a
new
building
to
spend
a
million
dollars
or
so
to
bring
in
new
desks
and
things
right
now
we
have
asked
for
a
new
computer
terminal
for
the
comm
center.
It
is
transferable
I
did
make
sure
of
that
to
the
new
com
center,
so
we
won't
be
spending
60
000
that
you
know
we
won't
need
in
two
years
it
is
transferable
to
the
new
comm
center.
J
Great
job,
I
support
the
police
department.
I
think
we
have
one
of
the
finest
there's
in
the
country
and
our
community
also
supports
you
as
well
and
appreciate
all
that
you
and
and
your
visibility.
So
we
thank
you.
I
E
E
You
know,
on
kind
of,
on
the
same
note,
we
we
know
that
the
law
enforcement
agencies
across
the
country
are
are
meeting
so
many
challenges
and,
time
and
time
again,
I
I
see
your
department
see
our
the
police
officers,
always
meeting
the
challenge
and
whatever
we
can
do
to
really
strengthen
our
police
department.
I'm
all
in
support
of
that
and
you
are
right
because
I
know
a
one-man
patrol
by
itself
in
today's
age.
E
I
still
can't
believe
that
it's
still
going
on
because
I
come
from
patrol
where
it
was
always
a
two-man
patrol,
and
you
know
in
our
response
time
we
always
had
a
backup
here.
I
see
that
there's
one
police
officer
by
the
time
he
has
to
wait
for
a
backup,
especially
if
you
already
know
the
call
that
you're
responding
to
requires
that
backup.
E
It
changes
the
dynamics
of
a
family
dispute
or
it
just
changes.
So
absolutely
I'm
on
board
and
unfortunately,
like
ed,
said
the
grant
the
budget
the
american
rescue
act.
I
mean
we
have
this
whole
combination
going
on.
But
the
one
thing
I
do
want
to
assure
our
chief
is
that
if
this
grant
does
not
come
in
that,
we
will
put
some
funds
on
the
side
to
hire
the
extra
police
officers,
because
that's
very
important.
I
K
F
Thank
you
chief
appreciate
it
mayor.
Let
me
I
just
want
to
make
a
couple
comments,
real
quick,
because
we
were
talking
about
with
fire.
What's
in.
What's
out,
I
will
tell
you
that
the
the
budget,
currently
three,
the
three
positions
are
in
the
code
enforcement
officer
is
in
and
the
two
communication
dispatch
positions
are
fully
funded.
E
F
Currently,
so
everything
that
you've
seen
everything
in
the
chiefs
is
pretty
much
funded
other
than
we're
waiting
on
the
cops
grant
and
the
the
grant
for
the
for
the
body
cameras
and
then,
of
course,
the
tasers
will
be
an
issue
that
we'll
have
to
address
too,
when
we
get
to
that.
So
I
think
it's
important
to
see
that,
and
I
think
the
other
thing
I
want
to
point
out
that
we
work
through
is
if
you've
noticed
from
these
two
presentations
with
between
the
fire
and
police.
Is
that
the
fire
has
a
rating
system.
F
They
have
an
iso,
they
have,
we
have
the
top
rating,
and
so
they
have
something
to
benchmark
against
or
to
go
against.
It's
it's
tougher
for
the
police
department.
They
don't
really
have
that,
but,
but
you
can
see
by
this,
that
that
fire
is
the
response.
Times
are
still
good,
really
good
response
times
are
still
getting
to
the
to
the
scenes
and
everything
their
response
times
haven't
changed,
as
you
can
see
with
the
police
department.
You've
seen
the
the
actual
drop
in
the
response
time.
F
So
I
think
that's
critical
that
that
you
know
we
focus
on
that
too.
While
we
look
at
everything
because
I
think
that's
very,
very
critical,
it's
all
about
response
time,
as
you
know
so,.
D
A
H
I
H
All
right
mayor
commissioners,
thank
you
for
letting
me
come
up
present
our
budget
for
22..
Excuse
me.
I
H
Edward
you
were
as
well.
This
budget
itself
is
about
200
000
more
than
last
year,
I'm
going
to
hit
it
at
a
high
level.
I'm
not
going
to
go
into
major
detail
unless
there's
any
information
you
guys
are
wanting
on
this
from
last
year
I
was
kind
of
going
line
on
my
line
item,
which
was
kind
of
excruciating,
so
I'm
going
to
kind
of
hit
it
at
a
high
level
and
if
there's
any
questions
on
it,
I
will
certainly
entertain
them
and
make
sure
you're
understanding
everything.
H
So
once
again,
we
still
have
the
same
current
employee,
staffing
level,
we're
at
seven
same
as
last
year,
we're
making
a
due
technically
the
average
in
the
industry
is
about
one
employee,
full-time
employee
in
the
it
department
per
55
city,
employees
or
county
employees.
For
that
matter,
we
are
making
do
of
it.
H
We
also
maintain
the
radio
system,
which
is
a
it's,
not
a
full-time
job
by
any
means,
but
it
is
a
specialized
position
that
we've
undertaken
here
in
the
last
year
and
a
half
current
employees
were
up
from
last
year
we're
up
about
12
employees.
From
the
information
I
was
given
from
the
hr
department,
we're
at
459
full-time
45,
part-time,
just
a
couple
of
quick
facts
in
there
about
things.
H
We
maintain
cell
phones
about
295
tablets,
cell
phones,
ipads
ip
based
phones,
analog
soft
phones,
we're
sitting
right
around
291,
portables
and
mobile
radios
for
all
of
public
safety,
as
well
as
public
services.
We're
sitting
about
485
body
cameras
for
the
pd
they're
sitting
at
100,
dash
cams
in
their
vehicles,
12
laptops
throughout
the
city,
165
site,
monitoring
from
where
we're
at
for
security
camera
wise.
H
We
have
about
150
cameras
that
we
maintain
desktops,
we've
increased
physical
or
virtual
we're
kind
of
moving
away
from
the
virtual
machines
for
specific
users
to
give
a
better
experience,
server
wise,
we're
kind
of
sitting.
At
the
same,
we
were
last
year
about
49
virtual
40,
physical
machines.
H
Some
of
the
accomplishments
over
this
last
year
we're
able
to
replace
our
vdi
servers
and
our
build
all
new
machines
for
those
end
users
out
there
and
the
vdi
servers
would
actually
house
all
of
our
computers
for
our
end
users
out
there.
So
the
virtual
end
users
are
getting
a
new
desktop,
so
they
got
new
desktops
out
of
that
upgrade.
H
We
completed
the
second
public
safety
tower
at
the
end
of
last
year
and
it
was
a
long
effort
that
was
started
back
in
the
end
of
2016.
When
that
was
a
first
commission
and
brought
in
the
tower
wasn't
sitting
in
any
warehouse
anywhere.
It
was
just
a
deal
that
was
closed
and
purchased
and
once
we
finally
had
a
site
that
was
going
to
work,
they
brought
the
equipment
in
got.
H
It
erected,
cad
machines
in
dispatch
they're
good
to
go
for
another
at
least
four
and
a
half
five
years
we've
placed
15
of
their
cad
machines
in
there
for
both
police
and
fire.
Dispatching
systems
are
using.
H
We
had
to
replace
our
firewall.
That
was
end
of
life,
so
we
have
a
next-gen
firewall
in
place.
A
very
robust
firewall,
trying
to
protect
us
from
all
the
evildoers
anti-virus
we've
upgraded
to
a
next-gen
antivirus
solution
as
well.
Traditional
antivirus
is
a
signature
based
solution
which
goes
out
and
kind
of
looks
at
the
depending
on
what
you're
using
what
solution
it
is.
It
looks
at
the
host
and
says:
hey
here's,
a
new
signature
for
the
virus.
H
You
know
look
for
this
when
you
come
in
we're
actually
using
next
gen
what
actually
what's
what's
happening
on
the
machine.
So
if
it
sees
a
machine
starting
to
you
know,
run
a
specific
application
at
an
elevated
command,
prompt
or
running
power.
Shell.
It
actually
can
segregate
that
machine
and
shut
it
off
and
take
it
off
the
network.
H
So
it's
a
little
more
expensive
than
our
previous
solution
we
had,
but
I
believe
it's
well
worth
the
money
for
that
laser
physics,
implementation,
which
is
our
document
management
that
was
completed
for
hr.
They
were
in
need
of
a
solution
because
they
were
all
paper
everything
they
had
wasn't
paper
up
there,
so
they
now
have
a
solution
to
get
everything
into
a
digital
management
are.
G
G
H
That's
kind
of
where
we
went
with
that.
We
were
trying
to
get
it
for
the
longest
time,
but
it
kind
of
kept
getting
pushed
back
to
the
wayside
and
we
were
using
a
legacy,
a
document
management
solution
that
we
are
now
no
longer
paying
maintenance
on.
So
we're
trying
to
get
everything
into
laser
fish
for
a
more
seamless
implementation
on
it.
H
H
In
there
that
has
a
retention
that
would
have
already
expired,
or
it's
actually
there's
no
really
retention
to
it.
You
know
pdfs
downloaded
online,
that's
not
really
something
that
has
to
be
standard.
You
know
secured
or
stored
here,
but
there
was
a
lot
of
stuff
that
was
downloaded
into
that
system.
Two
terabyte
worth
of
data
that
you
know
most
of
it's
really
not
of
any
retention
value,
so.
G
There's
all
the
stuff
in
laser
fish,
readable
like
like
it
was
it
was
ocr.
Is
it
the
same
with
the
old
database?
Is.
H
Yeah,
so
that's
the
whole
idea
is
to
make
sure
it's
a
usable
document.
I
mean
risk
management
was
using
it
heavily,
so
christie
up
in
the
hr
and
the
legal
side
was
using
heavily
so
there's
a
lot
of
important
information.
Still
that
has
to
come
over.
Okay,
so
we've
got
it
backed
up
images
of
it.
H
So
I
mean
I'm
not
worried
about
per
se,
something
happening
to
it,
but
it
is
no
longer
under
maintenance
and
we've
shut
it
off
so
that
people
can't
actually
put
more
data
into
it
gotcha,
but
moving
forward
we're
going
to
have
public
services
as
well
as
community
development
get
into
it.
H
Finance
is
actually
they're
using
powerdms
to
put
some
of
their
day-to-day
activities
and
transactions
into
it,
and
I
I
wasn't
sure
that
I
was
really
liking
what
they
were
doing
with
that,
but
it
seems
to
be
working
for
them
at
this
time,
so
I
may
try
to
get
them
into
laser
fish
as
well.
H
Increased
engagement
kelly's
worked
really
hard
to
increase
our
engagement
across
all
of
our
social
media
platforms.
Another
big
thing-
that's
usually
in
the
the
media,
see,
is
a
scada
networks
for
our
water
treatment
facilities.
H
Of
course,
you
know
we
had
a
huge
upgrade
here,
a
few
years
back
for
the
65
million
expansion
down
at
public
services,
and
we
kind
of
got
called
in
at
the
very
end
of
it.
Saying
we
just
needed
two
switches
at
the
very
end
is
kind
of
what
we
were
told.
You
just
need
two
switches
and
we
got
the
rest
of
it.
Well,
it
didn't
quite
work
out
like
that.
H
There
was
a
lot
of
holes
in
the
the
technology
side
that
you
know
we
were
never
included
on
at
the
time,
unfortunately,
and
now
bringing
it
up
we're
able
to
harden
it.
We've
placed
the
switches
in
there
that
we're
just
consumer
based
switches
and
we've
ensured
that
there
is
no
public
internet
access
to
it.
To
you
know
to
do
the
best
we
can
to
keep
people
out
of
it
and
if
you're
not
sure
what
skate
is
again.
H
That's
what
controls
the
lift
stations,
the
water
plants
and
there's
a
lot
of
damage
you
can
do
if
you
get
in
those
systems.
There's
plc's
that
you
can
control
and
you
either
open
a
chlorine
or
shut
stuff
off
and
there's
a
lot
of
it's
a
target.
That's
sought
after
quite
a
bit
by
hackers,
so
we've
tried
to
do
the
best
to
secure
that
as
well,
and
it's
very
limited
access
to
get
to
that
system.
H
Touching
on
some
of
the
areas
where
we've
seen
increases
and
again,
I'm
not
going
to
touch
on
these
line
by
line
through
the
the
pdfs
you
have
on
the
sharepoint
there.
But
our
major
increases
on
this
again
is
going
to
be
motor
motorola
for
the
p25
wireless
maintenance.
That's
going
up
about
four
and
a
half
percent,
our
endpoint
detection
response,
which
I
mentioned
to
you
that
has
a
higher
ticket
than
last
year.
H
I
had
25
for
last
year
and
I
expected
to
come
in
right
at
37
for
this
and
firewall
maintenance
because
of
the
firewalls
we've
replaced.
We've
actually
put
vpns
up
for
all
of
our
fire
departments.
Coming
in
to
us,
as
well
as
the
wrf
network.
We
all
have
next-gen
firewalls
at
those
locations,
so
that
price
will
go
up
as
well
under
6400
the
pd.
H
It's
time
for
laptops
again
so
last
year,
we're
able
to
replace
just
at
40
of
them
we're
going
to
try
to
get
another
40
and
again,
which
is
33
because
they
have
about
120
laptops.
So
I'm
going
to
try
to
keep
that
going
for
them.
They're
semi-ruggedized
laptops
and
I
expect
they'll-
you
know,
get
another.
They
should
get
five
years
out
of
those
and
that's
kind
of
where
they're
at
in
the
dells.
They
have
fire
department.
H
Currently,
they
use
ipads
for
all
of
their
calls
for
service
when
they're
running
around
the
medics
in
the
back
of
the
ambulances,
use
it
as
well,
and
they
connect
up
to
eso
for
their
reporting
purposes
if
they
ever
hit
a
spot
where
they
lose
cellular
connectivity
on
those.
While
they
have
the
app
open
doing
their
reports,
the
entire
app
shuts
down
and
they
lose
all
their
data.
H
So
I'm
looking
to
put
laptops
on
the
back
of
the
vehicles
for
the
medic
so
that
they're
able
to
do
their
reports
either,
while
they're
on
the
way
to
the
hospital
or
transporting
a
patient
to
or
fro
in
an
I.t
vehicle.
So
we've
never
really
had
a
new
vehicle.
I've
only
been
here
11
years
on
in
I.t,
but
we've
always
had
hand-me-downs
and
they're
fine
for
it,
except
for
a
lot
of
the
equipment
we
have.
We
can
no
longer
fit
in
the
back
of
suvs
and
sedans.
H
So
I'm
looking
to
get
a
small
van
and
usually
pd
is
pretty
good
at
giving
us
some
of
their
hand-me-downs.
We've
been
driving
one
of
their
old
canine
vehicles
and
it
works,
except
for
if
we
have
to
put
our
larger
equipment
in
there,
we
have
a
portable
public
address
system.
You
know
we
had
to
take
it
out
to
a
wreck
for
the
one
of
the
functions
the
mayor
did
out
there
for
the
rock
springs
ridge
land
deal.
H
We
have
to
use
our
personal
vehicles
to
treat
or
transport
that
equipment
just
because
it's
too
big
for
anything
we
have
so
I'm
looking
to
get
that
if
we
don't
get
it,
I
will
continue
to
make
do
with
what
we
have
another
portion
here.
It's
got
a
motorola
tag
to
it
is
their
call
logger
system,
it's
their
nice
system,
which
records
radio
traffic
for
them.
That
is
end
of
service.
That's
going
to
go
out
the
middle
of
next
year,
so
that
is
a
higher
price
ticket
item
in
there.
H
That's
that's
the
majority
of
our
increase
for
this
fiscal
year
coming
up
wish
list
capital
improvements
that
we're
looking
at
doing
we're
currently
working
with
the
integrator
at
actually
getting
the
council
chambers
updated
and
brought
into
the
20th
century,
because
we're
still
far
that
behind
so
I'll
settle
for
that.
I'm
hoping
it's
not
going
to
cost
that
price
there.
H
We
kind
of
continue
just
to
use
it
because
it
works
for
us,
but
I'm
looking
to
get
additional
storage
for
our
cameras
dispatch.
That's
not
a
huge
ticket
item
at
the
17.5,
but
the
kvms
to
just
are
to
transfer
from
one
computer
to
the
other.
They
run
about
six
computers
at
each
station
and
they
have
to
kind
of
jump
quickly
from
a
computer
to
computer
and
there's
just
one
keyboard
mouse
there.
H
So
the
kvm
allows
them
to
jump
to
machine
the
machine
just
touching
either
control
or
whatever
we
have
the
hotkey
set
up
to
them,
so
they
can
move
around.
They
have,
unfortunately,
those
kvms
we
have
are
they're,
they're,
very
old
and
in
need
of
replacement.
If
we
can
for
a
cyber
security
posture,
I'm
looking
to
do
a
network
penetration
testing.
This
could
come
in
fiscal
year
and
this
will
kind
of
let
us
know
where
we
are
weak
or
where
we
can
improve.
As
far
as
our
outside
visibility
to
the
world.
H
I
have
this
in
the
wish
list,
I'm
kind
of
hoping
it
comes
through.
I
don't
believe
because.
G
Correct
me:
if
I'm
wrong,
if
we
don't
do
this
level
of
penetration
testing,
is
penetration
testing
across
our
systems
that
we
out
or
get
from
vendors?
Is
that
part
of
their
contractual
obligation
to
us
to
do
some
level
of
that,
because
the
reason
why
I
ask
is
you
know
in
the
news
lately
there's
a
lot
of
ransomwares
and
they're
attacking
municipalities.
You
have
people
hacking
into
wastewater
treatment
facilities.
Things
like
that,
so
I
would
think
that
this
is
pretty
critical.
H
Right
so,
as
far
as
to
answer
your
question:
yes,
for
a
financial
audit,
we
go
through
everyone.
We
go
through
annually.
Here,
there's
a
cyber
security
audit.
We
go
through
and
that's
one
of
the
questions
you
know
when's
the
last
time
you
had
a
penetration
testing.
You
know
what
were
the
outcome,
what
were
the
findings
of
it
and
we
need
to
have
it
done?
You
know.
I
say
I
feel
we
are
somewhat
secure,
but
you
know
look
at
the
federal
agencies.
The
dod
that's
been
breached.
H
If
somebody
truly
wanted
to
get
into
us
that
you
know
that
was,
you
know,
had
a
relax
to
grind,
I'm
sure
there's
somehow
a
way
to
get
in
and
usually
it's
going
to
be
through
a
phishing
attack
or
some
other
type
of
fooling
an
employee
or
something
to
give
them
information
that
they
shouldn't.
G
H
A
more
sophisticated
way
of
breaking
into
your
house
the
biggest
issue
and
again
it's
not
that
they
don't
try
to
hack
the
systems.
Social
engineering
is
a
much
easier
way
to
get
into
somebody.
H
H
Actually,
I
think
some
of
you
actually
got
emails
a
while
back.
It
was
a
couple
a
couple
of
years
back,
but
you
actually
got
emails
about
it.
Just
saying
you
know:
here's
your
here's,
your
invoice
or
something
the
effect
of
that,
but
we
were
able
to
stop
that.
There
was
about
a
20
000
loss,
getting
ready
to
occur
at
that
point
of
somebody
basically
setting
up
a
wire
transfer,
so
that
was
all
user
user
unawareness
to
what
was
going
on
at
the
time.
H
Where
are
we
at
additional
flash
storage?
So
we
use
a
we've,
got
a
you
know,
an
older
hybrid
solution,
that's
an
xio
branded
storage
and
that
is
gonna,
be
we.
I
have
a
budget
in
there
for
one
last
year
that
is
under
support
and
after
that
they're
going
out.
So
I'm
looking
to
add,
because
that
store
will
no
longer
be
there.
H
I'm
looking
to
add
additional
storage
to
our
flash
array
so
that
we
can
keep
our
enterprise
data
running
on
that
and
again
that
would
be
our
laser
fish,
any
larger
volumes
that
we
would
usually
have
out
there
a
lot
of
data.
I
try
not
to
put
any
camera
storage
on
our
flash
store
just
because
it's
it's
not
meant
for
that.
It's
we'll
keep
that
on
spinning
disk.
That's
it's
a
little
more
cost
cost
efficient.
I
guess
for
that
part
of
it
harman
tower
replacement,
we're
looking
at
about
two
and
three
quarter
million.
H
To
do
that.
It
is
almost
a
green
field
that
point,
because
we'd
have
to
put
a
new
building
up
with
it
as
well
generator
all
the
tests
and
everything
that'll
go
with
it.
Another
part
of
that
is
going
to
be
for
the
for
the
north
tower
site.
There
was
one
piece
that
wasn't
purchased
back
in
the
time
and
those
are
called
comparators
and
those
devices
we
have
them
at
our
prime
site,
which
is
our
harmon
site.
H
They
give
the
officers
firefighters
who's
ever
using
the
radio
they
give
them
the
best
transmission,
whatever
tower
they're
near
so
they're,
going
to
have
the
best
quality
reception
from
either
our
north
tower
the
south
tower
out.
Here
we
don't
have
competitors
at
the
north
side.
I
don't
know
why
they
weren't
purchased
back
when
the
tower
was
done,
but
it's
about
a
368
thousand
dollar
lift
to
get
that
to
it
as
a
fully
redundant
site,
meaning
the
harmon
tower
could
fall
down
all
together,
go
offline
and
would
stay
up
and
active.
H
Currently
we
can
lose
antennas
out
at
the
harmon
tower
and
still
function,
but
if
we
lose
comparators,
that's
where
we're
in
trouble.
So
that's
part
of
that
I'm
looking
to
get
that
a
fully
redundant
site
as
well
and
again,
I'm
not
sure
at
the
time
why
that
wasn't
put
in,
but
I'm
sure
there's
a
reason.
But
I
don't
know
what
that
is
a
couple
of
statistics
in
here
for
you,
facebook.
H
As
of
a
couple
days
back,
there's
1700
or
17
931
followers
fire
has
4159
police
sitting
at
37.19
our
youtube
subscribers
varies,
but
we're
about
462.
a
little
over
24.5
000
views,
5
000
hours
watched
instagram
followers
just
over
3
000
twitter
followers,
341..
H
Back
in
april,
we
launched
commissioner
seat
facebook
sites
to
own
the
seats
for
to
assist
in
archiving
purposes,
so
that
that
wasn't
burdened
on
to
you
next
door
was
brought
in
as
well
kelly
added
that
to
the
our
tool
belt
there
for
social
media
getting
out
communications
to
all
the
different
communities
there
on
it.
H
Some
of
the
increases
you'll
see
going
across
three
and
a
half
facebook,
instagram
14,
and
a
half
and
twitter
25
she's
continuing
to
work
on
that
to
get
those
numbers
higher
to
continue
the
engagement
with
our
constituents.
H
Some
of
the
goals
coming
up
here
is
to
continue
to
effectively
manage
any
of
the
city-wide
technology
services.
We
provide
we're
kind
of
behind
the
scenes.
Only
you
know
you
see
us
whenever
you
need
us.
Unfortunately,
you
know
you
don't
want
to
see
us.
H
I
don't
want
to
see
you
actually,
because
that
means
there's
something
wrong,
and
I
don't
mean
that
in
a
personal
sense,
but
we're
behind
the
scenes,
we
try
to
ensure
everything's
running
to
keep
everybody
up
and
going
we're
able
to
continue
our
99.999
uptime,
which,
if
you
kind
of
calculate
that
out
we're
doing
less
than
eight
minutes
downtime
on
services
that
we
provide
for
the
city
that
we
have
control
over
we're
going
to
continue
with
our
high
quality
customer
care.
H
We
are
redesigning
the
website
this
week,
we're
giving
our
first
new
images
and
color
branding
for
it
and
that's
something
that
I'd
like
to
get
with
ecu
commissioners
to
kind
of
go
over.
What
we're
looking
at
as
far
as
colors,
to
ensure
that
you're
happy
with
the
way
we're
going
with
it,
we'll
also
be
implementing
apopka.gov
to
take
over
the
apopka.net
domain
itself.
That'll
be
an
external
domain
for
increased
security
for
the
individuals
for
have
visitors
coming
to
that
site.
Only
municipalities,
city,
county
government
agencies
can
have
a
gov
website.
H
So
we
we
have,
it
already
approved
apopka.gov
and
that
will
be
switched
over
as
well
when
we
go
live
with
the
new
website,
but
again
increase
cyber
security
with
their
users.
We
we
have
programs
in
place
for
it
that
we
send
out
training.
I
try
to
do
it
quarterly.
H
We
do
fishing
quite
a
bit
sending
out
phishing
emails,
and
sometimes
I
try
to
make
them
obvious
just
to
give
them
a
bone
and
then
sometimes
we'll
we'll
do
either
a
spoofing
domain,
spoofing
or
I'll
send
something
out.
Look
like
it
is
from
looking
to
be
from
the
mayor,
but
it's
truly
not
if
you
actually
look
at
it.
There's
telltale
signs
that
it's
doing
some
sort
of
spoofing.
H
Another
portion
of
it
is
to
implement
the
av
technology
in
here,
which
we
kind
of
mentioned
for
it
for
greater
outreach
as
well
with
kovid.
Of
course,
you
know
everybody
was
able
to
say
that
hey,
we
don't
necessarily
have
to
be
here
in
person
to
do
this.
We're
still
able
to
get
the
same
information,
and
you
know
a
public
comment.
H
If
that's
something
we
want
to
implement
down
the
road,
that's
something
we
can
also
bring
in
with
the
new
solution,
if
that's
not,
if
they're,
not
in
the
room
here,
but
that's
a
decision
we'll
make
here
and
go
forward
with
it.
H
That's
that's
a
internal
use
only
for
as
far
as
email
address
is
not
something
you
would
each
see
out
there
of
those
2.348
million.
We
have
just
under
a
quarter
million
that
get
rejected
by
the
firewall
we
have
and
the
spam
filters
for
it
most
of
those
aren't
rbo,
which
is
a
real-time
black
hole
list
and
those
are
just
known
bad
ip
addresses
on
servers
that
are
sending
spam
mail
to
us.
So
most
of
those
get
knocked
out
with
that
you'll
see
some
of
the
other
manual
header
rejections.
It's
not
formatted
properly.
H
H
We
have
that
actually
looks
at
the
attachments
for
it
and
says:
hey,
there's
something
wrong
with
this:
we're
going
to
hold
this
back
and
not
allow
you
to
have
it
because
there's
something
suspicious
or
it's
got
a
you
know,
it's
got
a
known
signature
in
it
that
it's
known
to
be
a
malware
anti-spoofing
header
lockout,
commissioner
bankson,
fell
in
that
category
a
couple
weeks
back
where
he
wasn't
getting
emails
to
himself.
I
think
he
was
sending
personal
emails
and
because.
H
It
kind
of
said:
hey,
wait,
a
minute,
something's,
not
right
here,
there's
a
different
email
domain
coming
in,
for
so
it
was
holding
his
address
and
we're
able
to
get
it
straightened
out
four
and
white
listed,
but
that's
kind
of
where
that
comes
in
for
it
we
get
plenty
attempts
from
people
acting
like
the
mayor.
You
know
mayor
at
apopka,
mayor
and
some
crazy
domain
and
it'll
target
somebody
hey.
I
need
to
change
my
direct
deposit.
Withholding.
H
Can
you
please
send
me
the
new
form,
and
you
know
if
you're
not
sure,
what's
going
on
here,
you
just
see
mayor
and
people,
sometimes
panic,
because
they
see
that
name
and
I've
unfortunately
had
a
few
folks
in
hr
send
out
send
this
person
new
new
forms
to
change
the
direct
deposit.
You
know,
luckily
we're
able
to
see
it
come
through
and
we're
like.
H
Oh
this
is
this:
isn't
right,
let's
see
so
some
of
the
task
duties
we
have
here,
I'm
going
to
wrap
up
this
presentation
with
it,
as
you
can
see
from
your
on
your
ipad
as
well.
Some
of
these
are
going
to
be
smaller,
to
see
up
here
throughout
the
three
areas
we
support
for
customer
support,
network
management,
project
support.
H
You
name
it
we
do
it.
We
do
anything,
usually
that's
not
even
I.t
related,
sometimes
the
police
and
fire
our
biggest
users
out
there
for
the
technology
they're
using
and
they
they
do,
keep
us
busy
and,
of
course,
these
the
12
departments
we
actually
maintain
our
provide
services
to
so
I
will
be
happy
to
take
any
questions
on
our
budget
request.
If
there's
anything.
G
Just
as
a
general
rule
of
thumb,
the
approach
when
we,
because,
obviously
we
we
deal
with
a
lot
of
different
software
providers,
partners,
things
like
that-
and
some
providers
like
motorola
there's
not
just
the
software
aspect
but
hardware,
so
we're
kind
of
pretty
entrenched
in
those
relationships
but
like
other
software
applications
like
maybe
our
financial
systems
or
whatever
else
might
be
we're
not
do
we
take
the
mindset
of
auto
renewal
in
the
contracts
that
we
have
with
them?
Are
we
taking
those
out
to
rfp
to
make
sure
that
we
can
always
be
competitive
with
pricing.
H
H
H
It
would
be
our
yeah,
we
are
in
that
system.
We
have
now
it
kind
of.
I
don't
want
to
call
it
a
knee-jerk
reaction.
It
came
up
under
the
previous
administration,
there's
some
folks
who
had
used
it,
and
I
guess
liked
it
better
over
the
ims
application
we
had
and
it
was
a
little
more
modern
per
se,
and
there
was
more
than
one
person
that
provided
support
for
it,
because
at
ims
we
had
a
person
that
provided
support.
We
were
concerned.
If
you
know
something
tragic
would
happen
to
this
guy.
H
G
G
And
I'm
sorry,
I
didn't
mean
to
use
that
like
as
a
real
example,
I'm
just
throwing
out
like
it's
saying,
but
I'm
just
saying
conceptually.
I
I
guess
it's
we're
not
of
the
mindset
we're
just
going
to
let
it
ride
right.
We
always
are
in
contract
review.
Make
sure
that
we
have
the
best
deal
out
based
off
of
what.
H
Solutions
are
for
enterprise
agreement
for,
like
our
microsoft
enterprise
agreement,
I
shot
that
one,
it's
a
three-year
agreement,
but
I
do
shop
at
trying
to
make
sure
we're
getting
it.
And
unfortunately,
there
are
some
through
dms
department
management
services.
Certain
people
hold
the
contracts
for
certain.
H
Say
microsoft
or
whatever
shi
is
the
contract
holder
for
that
they're
going
to
give
us
the
best
deal
that
we
would
get
through
other
vendors,
but
I'm
always
looking
for
cheaper.
I
mean
any
hardware
we're
buying.
You
know
let
alone
software
solutions,
but
we're
always
comparing
you
know,
making
sure
we
are
getting
the
best
bang
for
the
buck,
we're
always
below
our
budget
at
the
end
of
the
year.
I'm
never
having
to
go
ask
for
more
money
on
anything
I
try
to.
H
You
know
we
work
within
the
means
we
have
and
my
screw
I
have
in
there
is
a
very
talented
and
very
competent
crew
and
I
couldn't
ask
for
a
better
department
thanks.
K
E
Well,
robin
knows
me:
I
have
no
clue.
I
just
go
with
the
ipad
and
say
help
me
out.
How
do
I
get
there?
So
I
have
a
lot
of
trust
in
our
I.t
department.
Absolutely
110.