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From YouTube: Apopka City Council Meeting January 18, 2023
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Apopka City Council Meeting at City Hall on January 18, 2023 at 7 PM.
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B
E
G
B
And
justice
for
all
the
fact
of
the
day
on
January
16,
1919
prohibitions
ratified
by
the
states,
the
movement
for
prohibition
of
alcohol
again
in
the
early
19th
century,
when
Americans
are
concerned
about
the
adverse
effects
of
drinking
began
forming
temperate
societies,
it
went
into
effect
in
1920,
but
large-scale
enforcement
was
impossible
by
1933.
Prohibition
was
repealed
back
to
the
days.
H
Okay,
all
right
members
of
the
commission
and
members
of
the
public.
At
this
time
we
will
be
holding
a
closed
litigation
executive
session
pursuant
to
section
286.011,
subsection,
8,
Florida
Statutes,
the
city
council,
City,
administrator
and
City
attorney
will
hold
a
closed
litigation
executive
session
to
discuss
pending
litigation.
In
the
case
relating
to
the
estate
of
Austin,
Duran
claim
number.
H
Gc2022-108445,
the
discussion
shall
be
confined
to
settlement
negotiations
or
strategy
sessions
relating
to
the
pending
litigation.
The
following
individuals
will
be
in
attendance
at
the
executive
session
mayor
Brian
Nelson,
commissioner
Kyle
Becker,
commissioner
Diane
Velasquez,
commissioner
Alexander
Smith,
commissioner
Nick
Nesta,
City
administrator,
Edward
bass,
City
attorney
Michael,
a
Rodriguez
special
counsel,
William
E
Lawton
and
claims
manager
for
the
Florida
League
of
cities,
Chris
Smith,
as
well
as
a
court
reporter.
H
The
closed
litigation
executive
session
will
be
held
in
the
mayor's
conference
room.
A
court
reporter
will
be
present
to
record
the
session
and
the
transcript
shall
be
made
a
part
of
the
public
record
upon
conclusion
of
the
litigation.
At
this
time,
I
asked
the
members
of
the
commission,
the
minister
mayor,
as
well
as
Mr
Bass
and
myself,
to
walk
toward
to
the
mayor's
conference
room
for
the
commission
for
the
commencement
of
the
executive
session.
A
J
Good
evening,
everyone
I
don't
waste
your
guys's
time.
I
know
you've
been
here
a
long
time,
but
I
just
wanted
to
recognize.
My
name
is
Trevor
I'm
with
the
fmit,
which
is
the
city's
insurance
company
and
I
just
wanted
to
recognize
the
police
department
for
earning
a
certificate
of
safety
recognition.
It's
actually
extremely
hard
to
get.
We
only
have
three
or
four
cities
in
the
state
of
Florida
that
have
achieved
it
with
their
Place
Apartments,
so
without
wasting
anyone's
time.
Congratulations.
J
K
If
I
can
real,
quick,
obviously
I'm
not
going
to
take
credit
for
this,
it's
it's
my
staff
and
not
only
my
staff,
but
I,
want
to
thank
Trevor
for
coming
tonight,
but
Lieutenant
Carol
McMaster
worked
us
through
this
process
to
make
sure
that
we
pass
this,
but
it's
also
part
of
Public
Works
public
services.
That
comes
and
takes
care
of
things
when
we
recognize
them.
So
it's
really
a
team
effort.
Although
we're
getting
the
award,
it's
a
team
effort
by
many
of
the
Departments
within
the
city.
So
thank
you.
Thank
you.
Chief
foreign.
E
E
F
D
D
H
Mr
Mayor
prior
to
the
commencement
of
public
comment,
I
just
want
to
put
on
the
record,
based
because
of
the
subject
matter:
the
executive
session
we
just
held
and
under
the
advisement
of
both
my
Council,
our
special
counsel
and
our
insurance
carrier,
Florida
Florida
League
of
cities,
that
any
discussions
with
it
is
the
policy
of
the
city,
and
we
have
advised
been
advised
that
any
discussions,
that's
the
specifics
of
the
matter
relating
to
Austin
Duran
that
the
both
the
City
commissioners
and
its
staff
are
not
to
comment
or
discuss
any
of
the
specific
incidents.
H
Now
this
does
not
mean
that
anyone
from
the
public
is
prohibited
from
speaking
as
a
council.
You
cannot
abridge
their
first
amendment
rights,
but
any
comments
or
discussion
or
dialogue
between
public
commenting
members
of
the
public
who
are
commenting
on
the
specifics
of
the
of
the
issue
in
the
incident
and
the
City
any
comments
under
advisement
of
our
insurance
count
of
our
insurance
insurer,
our
special
counsel,
as
well
as
the
legal
department.
We
are
advising
not
to
discuss
the
matter
or
not,
comment
on
the
matter.
L
N
Good
evening,
everyone,
my
name,
is
Alex
Robinson
I
live
in
1997
middle
Chris,
Drive,
Apopka,
Florida,
32712
I'm.
Coming
here
again,
I
came
last
month
on
the
21st
I'm
back
today,
I'll
be
back
next
month,
February
the
15th
and
all
I'm
asking
is
what
is
going
on
with
Rogers
wrote,
I
call
Miss
Pam
at
the
zoning
department.
N
N
N
People
take
care
of
what's
important
to
them.
If
this
road
was
in
their
neighborhood
they'll
be
on
it
night
and
day,
all
I'm
trying
to
do
is
prevent
someone
from
losing
their
life,
because
if
someone
gets
hurt,
the
insurance
for
the
city
is
going
to
go
up,
and
that
means
everybody's
taxes
is
going
to
go
up.
We
have
to
be
more
concerned
also
about
other
people
and
I
came
here.
I'm
always
polite
I,
don't
know
what
else
to
do
I'll
be
back
on
the
15th.
N
A
N
Well,
they
told
me
last
year,
Mr
Miss,
dancer
told
me
last
year
they
were
going
to
do
it
at
the
end
of
the
year,
I
understood
that
things
happen
and
they
told
me
now
I'm
the
first
on
the
list
to
get
done.
Rogers.
A
E
A
C
N
N
R
R
Achieving
a
thriving
Economic
Development
with
outstanding
business,
climate,
competitiveness
and
innovation
is
a
plus
by
assisting
entrepreneurs
new
and
existing
businesses,
and
the
recruitment
of
businesses,
along
with
developing
image.
Marketing
would
enhance
our
status
was
surrounding
communities.
R
S
Dennis
new
105
West
Magnolia,
Street
Apopka.
We
live
in
a
nation
of
laws.
Without
them,
chaos
would
ensue
tonight
I'm
going
to
ask
some
questions
being
That
We're,
a
nation
of
laws.
Why
does
the
city
in
this
Administration
violate
them,
beginning
with
the
code
enforcement
division?
They
enforce
the
codes
upon
the
citizens
and
the
taxpayers
yet
failed
to
enforce
them
on
their
own
structures
and
buildings.
S
S
S
The
mayor
and
his
calloused
four
minute
finger
on
me
felt
down
before
I
could
finish,
there's
something
a
lot
of
you
don't
know.
I'm
battling
cancer,
I'm,
short-winded
and
I.
Ask
for
a
little
bit
of
time,
wouldn't
have
been
a
half
a
minute,
but
you
had
four
minute
finger:
you're
slamming
it
into
the
ground.
Why
is
it
that
the
City
attorney
and
the
fire
chief
violated
state
law
more
specifically
chapter
633
of
the
Florida
Statutes
regarding
the
fire
department,
Safety
Committee?
S
Why
is
it
that
the
city
seems
to
ignore
the
Florida
administrative
code
69a,
and
it's
mandating
that
the
fire
department
Safety
Committee,
be
built
to
fire
department
members
and
investigate
all
accidents
and
incidents?
Do
you
know
if
you
read
that
law
you'll
find
out
that
the
insurance
carrier-
that's
here
tonight,
isn't
obligated
to
pay
a
dime
and
can
cancel
your
policy
for
violating
that
tonight.
I
call
for
a
criminal
investigation
into
the
interference
of
the
fire
department,
Safety
Committee.
S
The
same
thing
happened
in
okoy:
they
had
a
criminal
investigation
ended
up
in
the
resignation
of
the
chief
and
several
other
people.
You
can't
violate
the
law.
You
can't
sit
here
and
supposed
to
be
leaders
of
this
city,
elected
and
knowingly
allow
the
lawyer
to
give
bad
information
to
the
fire
chief,
the
fire
chief,
to
enact
on
bad
information
and
violate
state
law.
T
T
T
Our
commissioners
are
elected
by
residents
to
represent
our
interests
within
the
city
Administration.
They
are
a
measure
of
checks
and
balances
to
oversee
that
Administration.
How
can
they
fulfill
their
oath
of
office
if
they
face
interference
by
the
administration?
They
oversee
I
am
here
tonight
to
support
our
commissioner's
ability
to
hold
the
administration
accountable.
T
T
Silence
will
provide
a
resonant
platform
for
those
who
care
to
cry
out
for
justice
when
they
perceive
Injustice.
Silence
is
what
the
city
wants
tonight.
Silence
is
what
they
will
get.
I
invoke
my
right
to
remain
at
this
dice
for
the
remainder
of
my
time
in
non-verbal
communication
and
the
representation
of
this
cause
in
silence.
U
Good
evening,
everyone
thank
you
for
allowing
us
this
moment
to
to
speak
with
all
of
you.
It's
our
first
time.
My
name
is
Christine
Gonzalez,
and
this
is
Cara
bumplik
and
on
behalf
of
Michael
rompick,
our
Chef.
U
We
are
the
owners
of
the
naughty
lobster
located
over
at
311
South,
Forest
Avenue
and
we're
here
this
evening
to
bring
attention
to
the
challenges
we're
experiencing
with
unhoused
persons
all
around
our
business.
We
have
owned
the
business
now
for
16
months,
and
here
are
some
of
the
experiences
that
we've
had
thus
far.
U
We
clean
the
streets
personally
on
a
daily
basis
from
corner
to
corner
and
all
around
our
restaurant
every
day
from
cups
to
clothing,
to
shopping
carts,
to
bottles
to
cans.
These
are
frequently
found
on
the
sidewalk
in
the
street
under
the
bridge
and
that's
the
West
Oaks
Trail
bridge.
There
is
fecal
matter
and
urine
under
the
bridge
on
the
bridge
and
around
the
side
of
our
restaurant.
U
Every
day
we
find
groups
of
people
sleeping
on
the
sidewalk
under
and
under
the
bridge.
We
appeal
to
the
non-emergency
police
line
and
officers
to
come
to
the
restaurant
records
show
that
we've
called
an
average
of
three
to
four
times
a
month.
We
have
repeatedly
told
there's
nothing
that
can
be
done
as
the
unhoused
or
free
to
sit,
stand
and
sleep
wherever
they
wish.
U
As
long
as
it's
not
on
our
property,
we've
put
locks
on
our
exterior
faucets
and
Outlets,
as
people
have
bathed
themselves
using
our
water
faucets
and
use
our
Outlets
to
charge
their
cell
phones.
On
many
occasions
our
customers,
dining
on
the
outside
patio
or
getting
in
and
out
of
their
cars,
have
been
approached
for
money
recently,
Cara's
own
mom
was
approached
and
out
of
fear,
she
gave
money
on
several
occasions.
We
have
found
evidence
of
people
sleeping
and
sleeping
bags
and
cups
and
clothing.
U
Underneath
our
restaurant,
we
recently
had
a
civilian
officer
state
that
his
wife
does
not
come
to
the
restaurant
as
she's
afraid
how
many
more
potential
customers
feel
this
way
across
the
street.
We
have
an
apartment,
complex
that
is
run
down
and
housing
questionable
people.
We
have
a.
We
have
camera
footage
of
a
person
from
this
housing
complex.
Stealing
an
employee
bicycle
from
our
premises.
This
is
an
added
safety
concern
for
the
restaurant,
most
importantly,
we're
afraid
to
walk
to
our
cars
each
evening
when
we
close
the
restaurant,
our
staff
is
fearful
as
well.
U
On
many
occasions
our
Cooks
have
been
harassed,
we're
here,
asking
for
assistance
as
owners,
we're
concerned
about
the
safety
of
our
customers,
our
staff,
not
to
mention
the
success
of
our
restaurant.
As
this
is
our
livelihood.
There
are
plans
to
modernize
our
restaurant
with
an
oyster
bar
with
outdoor
seating.
There
are
plans
to
bring
additional
businesses
to
the
building
that
we
owned
across
the
street.
However,
we're
questioning
whether
to
proceed
or
not,
something
needs
to
be
done
to
rectify,
to
rectify
the
unhoused
situation
in
Apopka
and
we're
here
to
ask
for
help.
A
V
V
Good
evening,
mayor,
Commissioners,
happy
New
Year
again
Sylvester
Hall,
3091,
Rolling,
Hills,
Lane,
I'm
gonna,
make
this
brief
mayor
I
said:
I'm
praying
for
you,
but
they
kind
of
took
my
words
out
of
contents.
V
When
you
look
at
the
the
minutes,
I
said
I
was
praying
for
you,
because
I
felt
you
had
a
wicked
heart
for
everything
that
was
going
on
with
the
fire
department.
I,
look
at
your
reactions
and
I.
Look
at
how
you
handling
things
and
I'm.
Still
today,
I'm
gonna
continue
to
pray
for
you,
I
think
something
is
missing
in
your
heart.
V
You
have
to
love
people
to
be
able
to
serve
people
and
I.
Think
that
is
missing,
but
I
want
to
briefly
talk
about
the
fire
department.
As
for
the
ones
who
don't
know,
I
was
at
Erie
city
council
meeting
last
year,
I
only
missed
two
and
I
think
it's
our
civic
duty
to
come
out
and
see
what's
going
on
in
our
community,
oftentimes
We
complain,
but
nobody
make
the
sacrifice
to
be
here
and
so
I'm
leading
the
way
and
I'm
campaigning
for
other
people
to
come
out
and
speak
up
and
voice
their
opinion
on.
V
What's
going
on
in
the
community,
I
personally
want
to
support
my
brothers
and
sisters
in
the
fire
department
mayor.
You
have
created
a
hostile
environment
I,
don't
think
you
understand
what
that
means,
but
the
fire
department
there's
a
hostile
environment
and
just
just
coming
from
my
experience
military
when
you're
in
the
civilian
sector
and
you
got
a
hostile
environment,
your
HR
will
tell
you
that's
a
that's
a
terrible
place
to
be
for
our
organization.
V
Now
you
multiply
that
100
times,
because
my
brothers
and
sisters
in
the
fire
department
they're
on
the
front
line
when
you
going
in
and
you
out
there
dealing
with
saving
people's
lives.
Your
mind
has
to
be
focused
on
what
you're
doing
and
when
they
can't
do
that
and
when
they
don't
feel
they're
supported.
That's
a
crisis
situation
that
we're
in
and
right
now
to
today
there
haven't
been
anything
done
that
I
feel
that's
correcting
the
problem.
V
Now,
if
we
keep
going
down
the
same
path,
we're
bound
to
have
another
mishap
I
pray
that
it's
not
somebody's
death
I
pray
that
we
don't
have
another
death.
No
parent
needs
to
go
through
what
the
Duran
family
is
going
through.
When
you
don't
change
things
and
you
look
at
it
and
I
know,
the
police
department
just
had
a
a
safety,
a
safety
Award
presented
to
Chief,
McKinney
and
well
deserved,
but
I
look
at
things
a
little
bit
different.
V
V
My
simple
recommendation:
if
we
I
told
you
last
year,
we
need
to
reassign
the
current
fire
chief
I,
don't
advocate
for
losing
somebody
losing
their
job.
Reassignment
I
think
there's
a
place
to
put
him
there
and
also
the
two
firefighters
that
resign
I
think
they
should
be
reinstated.
It's
hard
to
find
senior
firefighters
with
that
type
of
leadership
and
the
experience
they
had
in
the
fire
department.
I
think
all
that
should
be
done.
I
don't
mention
their
name
because
I
haven't
talked
to
them
and
see
if
they
want
to
do
that.
V
But
looking
at
the
fire
department,
where
we
at
if
you're
bringing
the
ex-fire
chief
that'll,
bring
some
stability
you're
bringing
bring
back
the
two
that
resign
read
or
Point
them
to
their
Safety
Committee,
and
you
do
all
that
by
the
end
of
February,
February,
28th
I
think
you
can
start
moving
forward
in
a
positive
direction.
That's
just
my
suggestion
to
the
panel.
P
P
F
P
P
P
He
literally
studied
and
took
notes
and
practiced
on
everything
he
was
introduced
to.
He
took
the
time
to
make
sure
that
he
knew
what
he
was
doing
and
what
was
expected
of
him
because
of
the
Department's
complete
failure
of
not
introducing
that
sand.
Trailer,
a
known
hazardous
apparatus
which
the
mayor
himself
emits
it
should
have
never
been
put
in
service.
P
P
P
P
P
We
will
never
be
able
to
thank
you
enough
for
a
loving
and
fighting
for
us
in
these
difficult
times.
Austin
has
forever
changed
this
department
and
the
people
in
it
hashtag
Austin's
Army.
We
are
Austin's
Army
and
one
final
quote
that
Austin
himself
has
sent
to
me
and
every
firefighter
will
understand
this
one
110
flights,
no
excuse
for
you
today.
P
W
Leroy
Bell
2308
Blue,
Meadows,
Court,
Apopka,
Florida,
Mr,
Durant,
sorry
for
your
loss,
sir
I
start
tonight
with
the
police
department
just
received
their
accolades
I.
Remember
when
the
last
mayor
was
here.
W
They
had
problems.
Mary
you
had
your
friends:
Rod
love,
Dr
Shackleford,
some
of
the
ministry
Alliance.
They
was
in
here
every
midnight
beating
that
man
up.
While
you
sat
back
there
and
cheer
them
on
Mr
love
said
that
he
would
bring
diversity
to
training
to
the
police
department.
He
would
pay
for
it
out
of
his
pocket.
W
Your
mind
was
closed,
along
with
your
your
attorney
over
him
with
your
what
they
call
him
Bill
Barr
his
mind
would
close,
but
the
money
that
you
make
off
of
that
over
there.
Why
don't
you
give
it
to
the
people
in
South,
Apopka.
W
With
Sylvester
back
there,
I
I
want
to
disagree
with
him
just
a
little
bit.
I.
Don't
even
think
you
have
a
heart
I,
really,
don't
the
only
way
that
you
can
serve
somebody
or
teach
somebody.
You
first
got
to
love
them,
and
you
don't
see
people
with
your
heart.
You
see
them
with
your
eyes.
The
only
people
that
you
see
in
Apopka
with
your
heart
is
the
Developers,
the
bankers
and
the
people
that
can
put
money
in
your
pocket.
A
Okay,
we've
got
seven
consent
agenda
items.
Anybody
need
to
pull
any
of
those.
If
not
look
for
a
motion
to
approve
the
seven
items
on
consent.
A
L
You'll
recall
last
spring.
A
spatial
needs
assessment
and
a
feasibility
study
was
done,
and
now
this
is
again
moving
on
to
the
next
step
is
Public.
Safety
facility
is
very
large,
complex
and
expensive
project
and
staff
recommends
having
Zha
serve
as
the
city's
representative
to
guide
us
through
all
aspects
of
the
project,
make
informed
decisions
based
on
their
expert
advice
and
find
Opportunities
to
save
money,
and
with
that
I'd
like
to
introduce
Mr,
Rick
Mellon,
the
president
and
see
CEO
of
Zha.
X
Good
evening
Commissioners,
Mr,
Mayor
I
know
you've
got
a
lot
of
things
on
the
agenda,
so
I'll
be
quick.
You
most
of
the
information
you're
going
to
see
up
here,
we've
already
seen,
but
just
to
give
you
a
little
background
from
Zha
we're
now
in
our
41st
year
of
it
being
business
in
which
one
do
you
watch.
X
And
our
the
only
the
only
business
that
we
have
is
we
represent
owners
in
in
design
developing
and
implementing
their
projects,
primarily
in
the
governmental
sectors.
Cities,
counties,
airports,
schools,
military,
those
type
of
things
and-
and
we
basically
have
expertise
in
everything
from
the
beginning
planning
through
through
the
operations
and
close
out
of
projects
are
with
that
said.
Well,
we
have
Architects
and
Engineers
contractors
on
staff,
we
don't
design
or
build
anything.
We
just
use
our
our
knowledges
to
help
our
owners
go
through
through
the
process.
X
Just
to
give
you
an
idea
of
a
couple
of
projects
locally
that
we've
done,
that
involve
d,
multiple
stakeholders
or
City
Hall,
just
in
Ocoee,
we've
just
finished
Stewart
Public
Safety
complex,
which
is
very
similar
to
what
you're
talking
about
about
talking
about
doing
similar
size,
in
fact,
and
then
a
municipal
service
complex
for
Lake
Mary,
which
had
fire
and
all
other
types
of
city
services.
So
this
is
kind
of
our
bread
and
butter.
What
we
do
all
of
their
time,
I
just
wanted
to
highlight
real
quickly.
X
You
know
the
central
Criminal
Justice
Center,
which
we
we
completed
a
number
of
years
ago,
is
a
fairly
similarly
complex
project
like
the
one
you're
getting
ready
to
take
take
on
which
includes
a
lot
of
different
stakeholders
with
different
ideas.
We
came
into
the
project.
Late
they'd
already
done
the
design.
X
When
we
looked
at
the
contracts
and
all
those
we,
we
determined
that
the
fees
and
terms
that
they
negotiated
were
not
tenable,
I
mean
they
were
just
not
Market
driven,
so
we
renegotiated
the
contracts
and
then
oversaw
the
project
through
through
the
through
the
end
and
at
the
at
the
end.
The
design
build
the
construct
construction
manager
presented
us
a
a
large
change
order
that
they
wanted
us
to
present
to
the
the
county
and
Andy
Brooks
who's
with
me.
X
He
said
well
send
that
to
me
in
a
draft
before
you
actually
submit
it
in
which
he
he
they
didn't.
He
reviewed
it
and
came
back
to
them
about
a
week
two
weeks
later
and
said,
here's
the
reason
you're
not
going
to
do
this,
because
every
one
of
these
things
that
you're
asking
for
you've
already
committed
to
in
your
contract-
and
they
basically
said
okay
you're
right,
we
understand
the
process
in
our
whole
role-
is
to
try
and
mitigate
risks
and
and
manage
the
projects
efficiently
for
our
clients.
X
This
little
graphic
provides
it
kind
of
shows
our
process
of
how
we
go
from
the
beginning
to
end
and
anywhere
from
beginning
with
the
programming
of
a
project
all
the
way
through
maintenance
and
warranty,
and
we
get
involved
in
all
aspects
of
this
I
think
with
some
clients
we
get
involved
in
different
areas
where
we
get
plugged
in
in
this
case,
you're
at
the
very
beginning,
really
you've
done
a
space
needs
studies.
Very
detailed
you've
done
a
feasibility
study
as
well.
X
Once
we
have
those
entities
on
board,
our
job
is
to
manage
the
design,
manage
the
construction
and
I've
never
put
this
really
in
writing,
but
we
also
manage
the
owners.
It's.
The
intent
here
is
to
get
everybody
to
agree
up
front.
What
we're
trying
to
accomplish
go
through
the
process
of
vetting
all
the
details
and
in
a
project
like
this,
which
takes
a
good
bit
of
time
to
develop.
X
There
there's
all
the
different
things
we
do
I'm
more
than
happy
to
talk
about
any
any
one
of
them.
I
know
one
one
question
that
came
up:
is
you
know
what
is
it?
What
does
it
cost
for
for
someone
like
a
firm
like
ourselves
and
of
a
project
of
this
size?
Y
Don't
have
any
questions
just
comments.
We
met
Tuesday
with
Robert,
but
you
know
the
you
know
having
the
portfolio
in
in
the
background
and
the
work
that
you've
done
and
the
history
that
you've
had
again
I
I
come
from
the
technology
kind
of
project
management
space,
so
two
to
three
percent
is
well
below
what
we
would
typically
see
from
a
project
management
perspective
in
terms
of
Technology
projects.
Y
D
No,
but
just
to
kind
of
let
the
public
know
that
we,
each
individually
dip
me
with
z,
h
a
and
we
did
discuss
some
of
the
kind
of
our
needs
and
what
we
were
to
expect
with
this
new
city
building.
So
if
you
could
kind
of
just
touch
up
on
that
a
little
bit
where
you
know
how
the
process
is
that
from
what
I
understood
is
that
you
will
first
get
an
input
from
the
staff
as
to
what
their
needs
are
and
figure
out.
D
I
guess
the
the
footprint
that
we
want
to
build,
the
building
with
and
and
just
some
of
the
things
that
will
happen
along
the
course
and
then
you
will
update
us
as
you
get
some
of
the
information.
Oh.
X
But
we
take
the
information.
That's
already
been,
then
done
confirm
it
with
the
individuals
that
are
provided
some
of
that
or
maybe
weren't
around,
to
provide
that
and
then
start
to
Overlay
lay
that
with
things
that
haven't
been
discussed,
who
relates
to
whom
and
how?
So
it's
one
thing
to
have
a
bag
full
of.
X
Puzzle
pieces,
but
how
do
they?
How
do
they
go
together
so
that
they
fit
so
we
worked
through
that
initially
and
bringing
all
the
various
departments
together.
You
know
once
we're
done
with
that,
we'll
with
them,
then
we'll
develop.
What
we
understand
that
program
to
be
in
terms
of
you
know
right
now,
you
have
roughly
95
000
square
feet
was
programmed.
Is
that
higher
or
lower
than
that
in,
if
it's
higher
or
lower?
X
Once
we
get
all
that
done,
and
we
we
go
through
the
process
of
saying,
okay,
let's
develop
a
more
detailed
budget
and
come
back
and
and
present
that,
as
well
as
the
schedule
in
in
terms
of
reporting
to
the
to
the
to
the
council,
here
we're
happy
to
report
at
any
stage.
You
want
typically
on
us
this
type
of
phase.
We
would
come
back
at
the
end
of
the
programming
period
and
say
this
is
what
we
this
is,
what
we
see
it
to
be.
X
This
is
what
we
see
it
to
cost
and
good
reaction
from
that.
You
know
we.
We
then
let
out
the
architecture.
Engineering
RFQ,
get
those
back,
give
them
Direction,
get
them
to
the
next
phase
again,
which
is
kind
of
it's
more
of
a
conceptual
drawing
further
and
come
back
and
say:
okay,
here
it
is
again
once
the
the
then
during
the
design
process.
It's
a
matter
of.
There
is
phased
components.
There's
your
conceptual
schematic,
design,
development,
construction,
drawings.
X
Definitely
we
would
come
back
at
each
one
of
those
Milestones,
but
in
the
earlier
Milestones,
when
they're
they're,
making
decisions
that
affect
Aesthetics
cost
and
any
other
things
that
we're
trying
to
tie
down
we're
going
to
come
back
and
give
give
a
update
and
get
input.
You
know
more
frequently
As
you
move
into
the
construction
again,
it's
you
know,
not
everything,
there's
not
going
to
a
lot
happen
on
a
week-to-week
basis
that
you're
going
to
want
to
know
about,
but
certainly
on
a
minimum.
X
We
wouldn't
typically
would
report
back
on
a
monthly
basis.
B
Well,
Ben
Stewart's
of
the
taxpayers
dollars
I'm
excited
to
see
that
we
bring
the
experts
in
the
field
that
has
the
expertise
in
the
construction
of
this
development
and
that
it's
going
to
save
us
money
from
having
change
orders
along
the
way
and
that
you're
going
to
oversee
this
project
from
Chevrolet,
turnkey
and
so
I'm
excited.
A
Came
in
public
wish
to
speak
on
this
matter,
if
not
we'll
close,
the
public
hearing
look
for
a
motion
to
authorize
the
execution
of
the
piggyback
contract,
the
Zha
for
facility,
Construction,
Consulting
and
owner's
representation
of
services.
Someone
got
a
motion
by
commissioner
Velazquez.
Second,
second
by
commissioner
Becker,
all
those
in
favor
aye
all
opposed
motion
carries
unanimously
next
up:
emergency
designation
for
public
services,
Richard.
L
L
Funding
the
initial
funding
would
come
from
the
city's
reclaimed
water
account.
Since
this
project
is
an
alternative
water
supply
project,
the
initial
implementation
cost
could
be
offset
offset
by
utility
bills
over
approximately
five
years.
Just
to
recap
a
little
bit
here.
The
numbers
in
the
middle
of
the
slide
the
water
bills
from
these
neighborhoods
over
the
past
four
years.
The
cumulative
total
is
about
five
hundred
and
seventeen
thousand
dollars,
that's
over
the
four
years
from
2019
through
2022.
L
L
I'll
also
note
that
this
is
an
alternative
water
supply
project
and
by
irrigating
these
subdivisions
from
the
lake
water.
It
would
offset
about
60
million
gallons
per
year
back
into
the
cities
available,
reclaimed
water
supply,
thus
reducing
our
need,
during
times
of
droughts,
to
supplement
the
city's
reclaimed
water
supply.
L
Clear
Lake
Estates
is
on
the
is
north
of
Clear
Lake
or
on
the
upper
part
of
that
slide.
The
proposed
location
is
to
the
left
of
the
entrance
through
the
main
gates
in
Clear
Lake
Estates,
it's
across
the
street,
from
the
lift
station,
which
ones
which
is
on
the
other
side,
the
north
side
of
those
private
entry.
Gates
you
have
there
along
Windham
Bay
place.
L
I
have
been
in
contact
with
Mrs
Stephanie
Mahoney.
She
represents
she's
the
the
management
company
that
represents
both
Clear
Lake
Estates
and
Clear
Lake
Landings.
The
City
attorney,
has
provided
an
agreement
with
the
previous
developer.
I
spoke
with
him
on
the
phone
earlier
this
week
or
late
last
week.
His
name
is
Mr
Braxton
green.
L
He
didn't
realize
that
he
had
not
turned
the
the
parcels
and
the
easements
over
to
the
homeowners
association,
and
so
the
City
attorney
put
together
an
easement
for
the
current
owner,
which
is
Mr
Green,
to
give
the
city
a
access
and
permission
to
go
on
the
private,
Parcels,
Parcels,
D
and
G.
Those
are
the
parcel
where
the
playground
is
and
there's
a
higher
area
right
behind
the
brick
wall,
where
the
pump
could
be
installed
in
the
electrical
panel
installed.
L
I
also
gave
Mrs
Mahoney
Mr
Braxton's
contact
information,
so
she
can
work
with
and
coordinate
with
the
between
Mr
Braxton
and
the
homeowners
association,
so
that
all
of
those
Parcels
that
should
have
been
turned
over
back
when
the
development
was
being.
You
know,
the
construction
of
the
homes
was
being
closed
out.
They
can
coordinate
the
long-term
transfer
of
those
parcels
to
the
homeowners
association.
L
In
the
in
the
left
picture
and
in
the
left
red
circle
with
the
yellow
highlight
that
is
an
area
in
the
Clear
Lake
Landings
subdivision,
we
would
need
these.
Easements
are
a
lot
more
straightforward,
because
the
the
homeowners
association,
the
developer,
actually
turned
all
the
parcels
over
to
the
homeowners
association.
So
the
City
attorney
had
provided
me
with
with
an
easement
so
that
the
city
could
have
access
to
parcels.
L
L
Now
I
should
mentioned
in.
In
both
of
these
cases,
the
city
can't
proceed
with
with
installing
pumps
and
going
on
private
property
until
we
have
the
easements
from
the
homeowners
association
with
that
said,
I
understand
Clear,
Lake
Landings.
Let
me
know
in
an
email
that
it
they
thought
I
might
have
gotten
ahead
of
myself
a
bit,
but
we're
moving
we're
trying
to
move
forward
with
the
design
and
the
Acquisitions
of
the
easements
and
the
permitting
all
at
the
same
time.
L
The
the
second
recommended
motion
is
to
authorize
the
city
administrator
to
negotiate
access,
easements
from
Clear,
Lake,
Estates
and
Clear
Lake
Landings,
which
again
will
give
the
city
access
to
to
access
construct,
operate
and
maintain
this
alternative
water
supply
systems,
and
then
the
last
bullet
there
is
a
is
a
is
a
note
that
approval
of
this
item
requires
a
budget
amendment
to
assign
funds
for
these
services,
and
that
is
on
your
agenda
later
in
your
agenda
resolution
2023-2
and
that
is
later
on
the
city
council's
agenda.
Y
A
few
and
I
apologize
to
everybody
that
has
a
vested
interest
in
this.
That
I
did
not
make
the
last
I
guess
Workshop
we're
calling
it
I
had
a
prior
commitment,
so
I
do
apologize
for
not
being
here
for
that
that
conversation,
but.
F
C
Y
Tuesday,
so
I
just
want
everybody
to
hear
the
same
conversation
that
I
got
and
talk
through
your
thought
process
there
about
whether
the
pros
and
cons
of
that
option.
What
would
we
what
would
be
required
for
that
to
take
place,
and
then
I'll
I'll
have
my
second
question
after
you?
After
you
do?
Okay,.
L
If,
so
on
January
11th,
we
also
talked
about
that
option.
With
the
St
John's
River
Water
Management
District,
the
actual
permit
is
called
an
emergency
field
authorization.
The
idea
would
be
to
pump
water
out
of
Clear
Lake
and
pump
that
water
into
the
Lake
Apopka
North
Shore
restoration
area.
We
talked
with
St
John's
about
that
in
detail.
L
I
did
mention
the
the
emergency
field.
Authorization
would
have
to
come
from
the
homeowners
association.
That's
because
it
is
it's
privately
owned
by
the
homeowners
association,
so
either
a
combination
of
the
property
owners
or
one
of
the
homeowners
association
would
need
to
submit
that
emergency
field
authorization
to
the
St
John's
River
Water,
Management
District.
They
it
appeared
to
them
that
there
were,
with
the
with
the
proximity
of
the
lake
to
the
homes
that
they
would.
They
could
potentially
I,
don't
want
to
speak
for
St
John's,
but
they
could
they.
L
They
thought
it
was
possible
to
permit
a
reduction
in
the
lake
stage.
That's
the
elevation
of
the
lake.
The
water
would
drop
down
vertically
one
to
two
feet
and
they
would
consider
that
in
the
permanent
application
they
did
make
clear
that
the
maximum
pumping
duration
would
be
90
days
and
the
estimated
cost
for
the
Emergency
pumping
would
be
approximately
two
hundred
thousand
dollars,
because
the
pumping
would
only
be
allowed
for
90
days.
L
Staff
didn't
recommend
doesn't
recommend
that
that
one-time
reduction
of
the
lake
level
and
and
part
of
that
reason
is
because
when,
when
you
pump
the
lake
down,
there's
groundwater
and
in
the
entire
surrounding
region
around
the
lake,
so
when
you're
trying
to
pump
the
lake
down
the
groundwater
in
the
area,
that's
at
essentially
the
same
elevation
of
the
lake
or
higher
is
all
seeping
into
the
lake.
So
I
just
there's
no
guarantee
that
pumping
for
90
days
would
have
even
one
to
two
feet
of
effect
on
the
surface
of
the
lake.
Y
Okay,
so
that
gets
us
to
that
I
mean
what's
and
who
would
you
know
who
would
have
that
best
perspective?
Is
that
City
staff
is
at
St,
John's,
Water
Management
to
say
hey.
If
we
pump
this
out
for
90
days,
we
would
model
that
you
know,
because
of
the
water
table
and
the
level
that
it's
at
we
would
if
we
pump
one
to
two
feet
off.
What
that
seepage
and
re
kind
of
invigoration
of
that
that
water
table
would
look
like.
Is
that.
L
Y
Y
Forgive
me
for
not
saying
it
on
Tuesday,
but
it
was
a
little
confusing
when
you
just
presented
it
here.
So
we
did
the
kind
of
cost
break
analysis.
Is
that
that's
not
because
we're
expecting
the
resident
to
pay
for
that?
It's
because
we
monetize
that
Surplus
is.
That
is
why
you're
showing
that
break,
even
because
in
the
packet
and
what
I
asked
on
Tuesday
right
was
of
that
600
000
expense,
that's
coming
out
of
our
reserves
and
city
is
paying
for
that.
D
Y
L
Don't
want
to
put
the
finance
manager
on
the
spot,
I
mean
this
is
an
engineer.
Talking,
I
can
go
back
here,
I
mean
the
math.
That
I
see
is
that
the
people
are
going
to
continue
to
pay
for
the
reclaimed
water
they
use.
We
would
collect
more
than
the
cost,
the
more
than
the
600
thousand
dollars
to
install
and
operate
the
pumps
during
a
five-year
period.
I
guess
from
a
financial
standpoint.
It's
you
know,
offset
or
or
break
even
isn't
the
right,
Financial
term.
Y
Maybe
whoever's
appropriate
to
do
it
so
if,
if,
if
we
decide
tonight
to
go
this
direction,
the
pumps
are
installed
and
the
idea
being
that
water
is
being
taken
out
now
from
Clear
Lake
for
the
purposes
of
irrigation,
in
effect,
shutting
off
the
the
impacted
residents
pain
into
reclaimed
water,
they
wouldn't
pay
for
that
service
anymore,
because
the
water
is
coming
out
of
Clear
Lake.
Is
that
correct?
No.
A
Y
Z
Y
Z
Y
E
Or
this
alternative
Source
instead
reclaimed
water,
so
we
still
provide
the
wire
we
still
meter
it.
We
still
charge
the
same
amount.
They
just
use
this
wire
from
the
lake
instead
of
reclaim
water
from
our
system,
and
that
pays
over
time.
It
will
pay
for
this
alternative
water
source
that
they
use
so
that
we're
paying
for
you
for
the
Free
Will
own,
the
pumps.
We
will
pay
for
them
on
the
plants
as
an
alternative
for.
Y
Okay,
I'll
wait
to
hear
from
other
Commissioners
I
just
have
one
last
question
and
we
talked
about
it
again
on
Tuesday,
one
of
the
conditions
of
approval
on
another
piece
of
business
for
Avion
point
was
their
commitment
to
paying
80
to
90k.
I
forget
what
the
actual
number
was.
Z
Z
I
think
we're
still
working
with
them
to
get
the
85
80,
000
and
whatever,
when
we
do
get
that
it
will
offset.
But
currently
we
don't
have
that
80k
you're,
an
agreement
for
the
adk.
D
Well,
when
we
went
through
this
I
kind
of
understand,
what
you're
trying
to
do
is
that
we
will
own
the
pumps
and
it's
going
to
cost
us.
Well,
the
city
taxpayers,
six
hundred
thousand
dollars.
Yes,.
Z
D
From
their
own
Lake
correct
and
then
after
about
five
years,
it'll
kind
of
even
out
or
we
hope
that
by
then
the
lake
has
dropped
to
a
substantial
amount
where
we
can
then
turn
back
the
reclaimed
water
to
the
residents.
How
is
that
going
to
work?
That
was
the
only
thing
that
I
didn't
understand
that
if
we.
Z
They
need
to
come
and
get
the
water
from
the
reclaimed
water
versus
the
lake
money.
That's
why
they
have
the
valve
right:
okay,
they're,
gonna,
put
on
the
pump
in
case.
You
know
the
lake
becomes
too
low.
The
alternative,
Ave
and
they'll
start
getting
water
from
the
city.
Again,
the
city's
reclaim
War.
D
Will
I
wait
to
hear
now
from
the
residents
whoever
comes
up
and
to
I'll
wait
for
the
other
Commissioners
and
then
the
public
comments
to
get
the
feedback?
Okay,.
F
AA
AB
Good
evening
my
name
is
Frank
Campbell,
piano
and
I
live
at
Clear,
Lake,
Landings
I
understand
all
the
stuff
we're
talking
about
last
meeting
we
were
at.
We
had
Engineers
telling
us
that
a
lot
of
the
problem
wire
lake
is
still
coming
up
without
rain
is
because
it's
pumping
reclaimed
water
into
the
lake
still
so
this
is
going
to
solve
the
problem.
Pumping
the
water
out
of
the
lake
pumping
into
our
grass
and
back
into
the
lake.
That's
the
solution.
AB
Nobody
remembers
that
the
three
gentlemen
that
were
here
at
the
meeting
before
from
avian
point
was
saying
they
couldn't
pump
anymore
and
they
say
the
problems,
the
reclaimed
water,
hey.
You
know.
Looking
at
that
b,
go
look
in
the
lake.
Now
there's
oil
in
there
it's
starting
to
get
algae
bloom
because
we
don't
have
swales
anymore.
So
this
isn't
a
solution
to
that
Lake
getting
polluted
either
you're,
not
looking
at
that
either
the
lake
is
being
polluted
as
we
speak,
and
none
of
you
looking
at
that
I
got
a
house.
AB
That's
literally
five
feet
from
the
water
right
now:
five
feet
from
the
water,
so
give
it
another.
Two.
Three
weeks
there
it's
going
to
start
eroding
the
foundation.
This
is
a
serious
problem.
This
isn't
something
that
can
wait.
Two
months
three
months,
four
months
we've
been
complaining
since
2017
and
all
we
do
is
get
excuses
after
excuse,
after
excuse
after
excuse,
so
we're
gonna
wait
for
the
house
to
fall
in
the
water
first
and
then
we
can
call
you
and
say:
maybe
we
have
a
more
serious
problem.
AB
So
it's
going
to
happen.
We're
left
with
a
disaster
in
our
backyards.
When
you
start
pumping
this
down
and
I,
don't
see
it
going
down
because
there's
going
to
be
water
coming
from
everywhere,
still
there's
still
no
solution.
Just
still
got
three
properties:
dumping
water.
You
have
a
concrete
overflow
from
the
subdivision
behind
us
that
goes
into
our
Lake
and
B.
It's
a
spring-fed
lake
too.
So
it's
always
going
to
be
feeding
water.
AB
AB
Shouldn't
have
to
walk
to
the
end
of
my
yard,
I'm
starting
to
see
algae,
bloom
grease
in
the
water,
because
all
the
houses
on
the
lake
side
of
Clear,
Lake
Landings
all
come
downward
and
what
they
do
is
when
they
come
down
off
the
driveway.
They
go
to
the
sides
of
the
house
and
they
run
down
and
they
used
to
sit
in
a
Swale
and
then
Mr
Sunshine
would
dry
it
up
and
we
wouldn't
get
chemicals
in
our
Lake.
AB
This
is
the
problem
here
on
the
news
they're
talking
about
just
that
being
done,
that
being
done,
you're
all
missing
the
problems.
I
live
on
that
Lake
I've
lived
there
since
the
house
has
been
built,
I
see
it
happening
every
day,
I've
lost
half
my
yard.
My
neighbor's
fence
is
like
the
top
is
like
that,
and
now
we
did
a
drone
shot.
Yesterday,
literally
the
five
feet
and
I
sent
it
to
Nick.
He
has
it
on
an
email.
AB
AC
And
Commissioners,
my
name
is
Richard
Withers
I
live
at
2436
Wyndham
Bay
place
in
clear
Lakes.
Estates
I've
lived
there
with
my
wife
since
2008..
Those
of
you
who
were
here
on
the
fourth
heard
heard
me
relate
the
history
that
we.
AC
AC
Okay,
okay:
these
are
a
series
of
a
movie
that
was
taken
by
my
next
door:
neighbor
Gregory
Griffith,
and
what
you're
seeing
is
that
progression
of
what
has
happened
see
that
little
park?
That's
in
the
back
there,
the
little
gazebo!
Well,
it's
underwater
now
up
to
the
benches
that
are
there,
the
sidewalks
are
almost
all
underwater.
AC
It
is
really
a
terrible
scene.
You
see
these
dead
trees
all
over
the
lakefront
and
in
the
park
we
have
dead,
trees,
oak
trees
that
have
been
that
have
been
drowned.
Essentially,
you
will
see
you
don't
see
it,
but
we
had
a
giant
oak
tree
that
must
have
been
70
feet
tall
that
died
from
drinking
too
much
water,
and
you
see
that
tree
in
the
middle
of
the
picture
that's
fallen
over.
That
is
the
tree
that
is
right.
Next
to
to
my
property,
these
this
poor
gentleman
who's
got
the
leg
encroaching
on
his
property.
AC
It's
sad
to
see
even
from
across
the
lake.
We
didn't
cause
this
problem,
we
didn't
create
it.
We
didn't
in
any
way
contribute
to
it,
but
the
city
did
because
if
you
look
across
the
lake
where
there
used
to
be
a
orange
and
a
deserted
Orange
Grove
and
some
cows
and
a
few
oak
trees,
what
you
see
now
is
a
sea
of
rooftops
and
when
the
water
hits
there,
you
go
see
that
it's
dramatic.
AC
The
city
approved
the
plans
to
build
all
those
houses
over
there.
The
city
is
the
city
approved
the
drainage
plan,
the
storm
water
management
system
for
Clear,
Lake
Landings,
and
guess
what
it's
failed.
Here's
the
evidence
right
before
you.
It's
not
going
to
solve
the
problem
to
give
us
a
five-year
solution.
AC
I
urge
you
to
do
two
things
number
one
I
urge
you
to
not
approve
this
designation
and
number
two
I
request
that
you
and
my
neighbors
join
in
this.
We
request
that
you
instruct
the
mayor
and
the
administration
to
there
look
at
that,
come
up
with
a
funding
plan
for
any
type
of
solution
that
they
propose
and
frankly,
Mr
Becker.
AC
The
solution
you
were
talking
about
about
pumping
the
water
under
429
and
into
like
Apopka,
hey
we'd,
be
glad
to
go
up
there
and
and
twist
some
arms
with
the
St
John's
River
Water
Management
District,
because
they
are
a
little
overlooking
an
obvious
solution
and
the
obvious
solution
is
to
pump
this
excess
water
out
of
the
lake
and
into
Lake
Apopka.
You
see
this
fence
here
well,
on
the
other
side
of
the
fence.
Is
a
parapet
wall?
That's
about
a
third
covered
with
water.
Now?
Y
AC
I've
been
a
lawyer
for
50
years,
I've
seen
a
lot
of
strange
stuff
this.
This
is
right
up
on
the
top
of
the
list
and
I
urge
you
to
take
a
more
recent
approach
and
one
that
won't
cost
us.
We
didn't
create
the
problem.
City
created
it,
the
city
approved
stuff,
it
shouldn't
approve.
It
approved
a
water
management
plan
that
was
obviously
ineffective.
Storm
water
management
plan
and
what
we
want
to
see
is
the
city
step
up
to
the
plate
and
say
yeah.
We
screwed
up
and
we're
gonna
we're
gonna
fix
it.
Z
Z
The
fight
is
over.
We
need
something
done
now.
Not
one
person
should
lose
their
house,
not
one
person
should
lose
property,
not
one
person.
She
lose
sleep
because
of
your
wrong
doings.
We
need
it
fixed.
We
need
to
fix,
like
yesterday.
Don't
give
me
any
numbers
to
and
telling
us
that
we
have
to
pay
for
it.
Z
Z
Z
He
goes
to
a
private
school,
came
to
my
house
and
said
Grandma,
let's
go
and
play
at
the
park.
What
is
wrong
with
the
park?
Why
can't
I
play
at
the
park
said
I'm,
sorry
Jaden,
the
city
messed
up.
He
said
why
did
the
city
messed
up
because
they're
playing
in
sandboxing
and
doing
Crayola
things
y'all?
Not
taking
this
seriously?
V
Remember,
mayor
I'm
here
to
help
Sylvester
Hall
3091,
Rolling,
Hills,
Lane
I.
Remember
the
last
city
council
meeting
we
was
at
when
I
said:
do
we
have
a
consultant
when
we
are
having
these
developers
come
in
and
they
do
they
pitch?
Are
we
equipped
to
catch
things
that
maybe
missed?
So
we
don't
have
another
incident
like
Clear
Lake,
and
you
said
we
have
a
consultant:
did
that
Consultants
sign
off
on
this
project.
V
So
when
I
tell
you
prestigious
matters
principle
matters.
If
you
really
listen
to
what
I'm
telling
you
I'm
here
to
help
those
things
matter
and
I
think
if
we
get
a
consultant,
so
everybody
be
abreast
and
they
can
bounce
things
off
when
the
developers
come
here,
not
to
say
the
developers
coming
here
to
be
crooked,
but
clearly
we
have
a
problem
with
the
procedures
that
was
done
in
Clear,
Lake
and
so
accountability
is
not
pointing
finger.
V
It's
finding
out
what
went
wrong
so
we
can
be
better
prepared
in
the
future
and
make
the
corrective
action.
So
it
don't
happen
again
so
again:
I'm
gonna
request
that
hey
look
when
these
developers
come
to
talk
to
everybody
on
the
panel.
We
need
a
consultant
that
we
can
interpret
what
they're
really
saying,
especially
when
we
don't
have
the
the
background
or
the
expertise
to
make
those
decisions,
and
we
can
close
out
a
project
just
like
that
and
think
nothing
of
it.
V
W
I
just
want
to
let
to
warn
you
guys
that
you
know
you
got
what
it
is:
March
wins
and
April
Showers
right,
everybody
talking
about
how
the
water
is
is
running
through
the
Springs
I
live
in
Mount
Helen,
that's
right
across
the
street
and
we're
pretty
much
safe
because
we
kind
of
on
a
hill
like.
But
what's
going
to
happen,
is
this?
W
What
about
all
this
money
that
you
guys
just
paid
for
for
count
weewa
when
these
April
Showers
come
in
when
that
water
crossed
Binion,
Road
and
start
going
right
over
it
right
over
the
crest
it's
just
about
there
now
all
we
got
to
do
is
get
us
about
a
good
three
four
day:
yeah
yeah,
it's
there
now,
but
just
just
a
few
more
rainy
days,
a
few
more
rainy
days,
it's
going
to
be
in
Camp
wewa.
AD
Yeah
good
evening,
Brett
Wilkerson,
president
Clear
Lake
Estates
HOA,
we're
clearly
claiming
nature.
Sorry
I
want
to
kind
of
touch
more
on
the
financial
aspect
of
this.
This
whole
project,
because
from
what
I'm
hearing
is
the
city
is
going
to
front
six
hundred
thousand
dollars
to
build
the
pump
stations
and
they're
going
to
tie
them
into
the
existing
pipes
and
the
meters
are
going
to
continue
to
spin
and
our
residents
are
going
to
continue
to
pay
the
exact
same
amount
that
they
would
pay
if
this
was
actually
treated
water.
AD
We've
heard
nothing
about
whether
this
water's
been
tested.
What
kind
of
filtration
this
water
is
going
to
go
through
before
it's
put
into
our
Lawns?
Is
it
going
to
potentially
create
any
other
hazards
for
children,
pets,
residents,
anybody
else
in
the
area?
None
of
that's
been
discussed,
but
we're
going
to
pay
the
exact
same
rate
that
a
homeowner
that
has
filtered
water
that
has
all
of
these
contaminants
would
pay
to
have
all
that
taken
out.
AD
Why
would
the
city
not
take
this
water?
Put
it
through
the
reclaimed
system?
Why
would
the
city
turn
this
into
a
profit
for
the
city?
More
or
less
an
investment
I
mean
your
own
slide
says
that
over
three
years
you
made
five
hundred
and
seventeen
thousand
dollars
from
the
residents
of
these
communities.
AD
It's
going
to
cost
six
hundred
thousand
dollars,
so
you're
going
to
be
profitable
on
this
in
less
than
five
years
and
you're
going
to
make
money
off
of
a
problem
that
the
city
created
by
allowing
the
development
out
there
and
the
solution
is
for
our
homeowners
to
take
a
chance.
This
is
going
to
fix
it
still
at
their
expense,
at
no
reduced
cost
whatsoever,
with
no
immediate
relief
whatsoever.
AD
We're
not
going
to
continue
consider
the
pumping
of
the
water
out
into
Lake
Apopka,
we're
just
going
to
hope
that
the
1.6
feet
that
was
proposed
to
us
per
year
dropped
actually
occurs
and
to
get
this
lake
level
down
below
flood
stage
in
the
next
four
years,
potentially
get
it
back
down
to
normal
stage
in
the
next
seven
to
eight
years
and
yep
in
less
than
five
years.
The
city
is
going
to
make
a
profit
off
of
this,
and
we
have
nothing
from
it.
AD
We
we
have
hopes,
that's
it
to
me
from
a
financial
standpoint,
it's
a
win
for
the
city
and
it's
a
loss
for
our
residents,
we're
going
to
continue
to
pay
the
exact
same
amount
of
money
and
you
guys
are
going
to
reap
the
benefits
from
it.
While
we
just
sit
back
and
hope
that
it
works.
So
I
would
agree
at
this
point.
O
My
name
is
Gregory
Griffith
I'm
at
Clear,
Lake
Estates
and
yesterday
the
the
city
did
a
test
on
the
water.
What's
the
result.
O
About
a
week
10
days,
okay,
so
we
don't
know
what
the
toxicity
of
the
water
is
and
we
have
otters
in
other
animals
swimming
in
that
water.
Now
I
can
go
and
look
in
my
backyard
any
time
of
the
day
and
I've
got
Ducks
swimming
and
birds,
puking
and
and
dumping
in
the
lake.
So
it's
not
the
kind
of
thing
I
would
want
to
drink.
It
certainly
is
the
kind
of
thing
that
I
would
want
to
spray
on
my
lawn
without
it
being
treated,
as
he
just
said.
O
O
Absolutely
absolutely
it
almost
sounds
to
me:
I
mean
I'm,
not
an
accountant,
but
it
almost
sounds
to
me.
I
was
saying
on
the
back
before
I'm
walking
across
the
street
I'm
in
the
hatch
marks,
the
light
is
green
and
a
car
comes
barreling
down.
The
road
hits
me
knocks
me
into
the
hospital
and
the
driver
is
saying:
oh,
it's
not
my
fault.
It's
your
fault.
O
I
had
nothing
to
do
with
I'm
walking
across
the
street
I'm
in
I'm
in
the
crosswalk.
But
for
some
reason,
oh
by
the
way
Robert,
can
you
put
a
picture.
AA
A
AB
AB
AB
O
AB
O
O
AB
A
Y
Y
AE
I'm
Karen
Wilcox
from
Clear
Lake,
Landings,
949,
Bay,
Bridge,
Circle
I.
Think.
The
one
thing
that
I
guess
I
would
like
to
recap
is
my
understanding
is
that
there
used
to
be
a
drainage
in
Clear
Lake
itself
that
used
to
run
off
into
another
I
think
it
was
dry
lake
if
I
underst,
Ood,
Mud
Lake,
and
so
my
question
has
been.
AE
Is
there
a
reason
that
we
cannot
have
something
that
would
run
off
from
Clear
Lake
on
a
permanent
basis
to
keep
it
at
a
certain
level
like
it
was
there
before,
and
my
understanding
was
that
the
city
had
removed
that
when
they
were
leveling
out
the
road
and
the
past?
Is
that
correct
or
incorrect
I'm?
Seeing
you
shake
your.
AE
Know
I,
okay,
I
hear
you
yeah
I,
guess
the
one
thing
that
I
did
here
Express
that
I
wanted
to
just
reiterate
that
I
would
certainly
like
to
ask
if
it
could
be
explored
further
was.
Could
we
look
at
having
the
water
piped
off
and
run
into
the
part
of
the
Apopka
Lake
that
could
absorb
it,
because
I
do
have
concerns
as
we're
talking
about
of
re-piping
water
out
of
a
lake?
AE
That's
been
sitting
there
and
putting
it
back
in
our
Lawns
because
of
the
concerns
with
some
of
the
things
we've
talked
about,
you
know
what
is
that
going
to
be
in
our
Lawns
and
don't
want
to
create
a
hazard
so
I
appreciate
if
we
could
give
additional
consideration
to
the
option
of
pumping
water
out
of
Clear
Lake
Landings
into
another
area?
That
would
be
an
ongoing
option.
Thank.
AE
A
A
A
A
AE
A
At
we
cannot
use
reclaimed
water
from
the
lake
pumping
out
of
the
lake
has
to
be
used
within
your
neighborhoods
storm
water.
Just
like
we've
got.
There
are
storm
water
ponds
at
Rock,
Springs
Ridge
that
can
be
used
on
Rock,
Springs,
Ridge
properties,
but
not
anywhere
else,
so
that
right,
Richard,
it's
that
has
to
be
it
has
to
stay
within
that
Basin.
So
the
only
people
that
can
use
the
the
water
from
Clear
Lake
are
Clear
Lake
residents.
AE
A
A
Z
Z
Well,
can
somebody
find
they
are
part
of
that
Lake
I.
Don't
understand
that
that?
That's
that's
that's!
You
know
we
all
in
it.
So
this
is
it.
You
know
something
is
wrong
with
this
if
they
are
pumping
it
already
where
they
pumping
it
to
on
their
on
their
grass.
Pardon
me
on
their
grass
on
their
grass.
Yes,
no
I'm
talking
I'm
talking
about
you
have
a
proposal
for
Clear
Lake
estate
and
Clear
Lake
Landing.
That's.
AF
Z
A
AF
Z
Z
A
Nobody's
paying
for
anything
all
you're
doing
is
paying
for
reclaimed
water
just
like
it
would
it
come
from
ours.
Our
plan
on
Cleveland,
that's
all
you're
paying
for
you,
nothing
changes!
You
get
the
same
bill
you
get
this.
You
got
the
same
reclaimed
water
meter
at
each
house.
You
get
the
same.
Everything
will
be
exactly
the
same
other
than
the
water
you're.
Getting
for
your
reclaim
for
your
grass
will
come
from
the
lake.
AB
A
A
V
V
Look
where
we
at
today,
six
years
we've
been
fighting
this
when
we
make
the
request
to
bring
a
into
independent
engineering,
to
take
a
look
at
it
sometime
when
you
sitting
there-
and
this
is
from
experience
mayor
you're,
trying
to
figure
something
out
and
you
just
can't
get
it
takes
sometime,
it
takes
another
set
of
eyes
to
look
at
something
that
maybe
you
have
missed
is
no
shame
in
that
that's
putting
your
best
foot
forward
to
for
the
community
there.
V
Y
Mr
Becker
and
first
first
of
all,
in
all
fairness
and
staff
on
the
median
on
Tuesday,
you
know
and
I
and
I
was
straight
up.
This
is
not.
This
is
not
easy.
This
is
not
an
easy
solution
or
easy
issue
to
fix,
so
take
that
for
what
it's
worth,
but
again,
first
of
all,
there's
a
couple
deficiencies
at
Sea
right,
like
the
AVM
point,
is
missing
from
this
kind
of
agreement
and
they're
the
ones
who
did
we
stipulated
that
they're
going
to
be
monetarily
expected
to
to
chip
into
this
cost.
Y
H
No,
no
there's,
no,
no,
what
the
they're
not
paying
for
the
water,
the
cert,
the
reclaimed
system,
which
is
existing
today.
That's
what
the
bill
goes
to
pay
as
the
already
existing
system.
What
is
changing
is
the
source
of
the
water
that
runs
through
the
system,
but.
Y
But
we
said
an
irrigation
system
is
not
valuable
if
it
doesn't
have
water
that
flows
through
it
right
so
they're.
In
effect,
we
say
that
we're
hamstrung
in
terms
of
expending
City
dollars
on
to
fix
this
issue,
and
it
is
an
emergency
issue.
The
gentleman
that
just
left
the
council
chambers
his
house
is
in
Jeopardy
I
know
that
from
a
textbook
definition,
we
talked
on
Tuesday
about
it
not
being
at
a
certain
level
but
come
on
I
mean
we
saw
those
pictures,
I
mean
foundationally.
Y
Stuff
is
going
to
get
underneath
there
and
it's
going
to
cause
an
issue.
So
it's
a
it's
a
taxpayer
issue
in
the
sense
that
there's
a
whole
bunch
of
taxpayers
in
the
three
neighborhood
three
neighborhoods
here,
even
though
the
lake
itself
is,
is
private
so
and.
Y
Y
F
Y
The
day,
it's
our
job
to
fix
an
issue
and
the
only
compelling
evidence
I've
seen
visually
me
personally
is
aerial
shots
of
before
Clear
Lake
Landings
was
built
during
construction
and
after
the
fact
and
I
think
this
is
the
six
year
period
that
keeps
on
being
introduced
during
these
proceedings,
but
the
the
perimeter,
the
water
I'm,
going
to
use
non
terms
here,
but
the
water
level
itself
steadily
went
up
now.
I've
asked
the
powers
that
be
to
say.
Okay,
then
combine
that
with
what
water
tables
were.
What
historic
rain
rates
were,
what
were
the.
Y
Y
What
Brett
had
brought
up
and
from
what
I
heard
from
Council
you
know
is
that
fact,
and
what
what
statute
or
law
or
ordinance
would
preclude
us
from
taking
an
option
where
we
do
have
a
very
permanent
fix
to
this
thing:
I.E
taking
water
off
of
there,
either
to
a
storage,
off-site
storage
or
into
our
irrigation
or
our
reclaimed
water
system.
Y
Y
I'm
so
and
clarify
the
question,
because
if
you
take
away
the
so
there's
a
couple
options
on
the
table
here,
right,
first
of
which
logic
would
tell
you
to
get
water
immediately
off
the
lake,
the
emergency.
Y
Y
Before
it
goes
through
the
water
table
to
refill
the
lake
right
and
there's
a
let's
hope,
this
works
kind
of
thing
and
that's
the
payback
period.
Okay,
get
that
what
if
something
similar
again
happens
and
we're
having
there's
only
finite
a
number
of
times
where
we're
doing
emergency
water
takeoff,
and
things
like
this
because
again
I
would
have
to
see
some
pretty
compelling
evidence
to
show
that
irrigation
usage
is
going
to
solve
this
problem
on
a
long-term
perspective.
Y
So
that
being
a
side,
that's
my
understanding
of
kind
of
the
first
couple
options.
The
second
option
that
Brett
brought
up
are
a
couple
options
that
Brett
brought
up
earlier
is
a
taking
water
out
of
Clear,
Lake
and
hooking
that
somehow
into
our
Wastewater
system
to
convert
that
into
reclaimed
water
or
an
option
of
taking
it
off
the
lake
and
putting
into
some
sort
of
permanent
storage
capability.
Y
H
Well,
on
a
on
a
legal
as
a
legal
issue,
it's
not
a
question
of
whether
being
illegal
or
legal,
one
of
the
important
things
to
note
that
this
is
a
private
Lake.
H
If
you
one
of
the
ways,
is
you
want
to
create
a
system
to
remove
it
and
become
a
public
system,
then
you
become
liable
for
its
maintenance
and
responsibility
and
responsibility.
As
of
right
now,
the
legal
Prudence
legal
jurisprudence
in
the
State
of
Florida.
This
is
a
private
Lake,
the
permitting
that
was
done
for
every
development
there
under
the
courts
of
rule.
That
is
a
that
is
permitting,
as
was
called
discretionary,
and
there
is
no
liability
on
the
part
of
the
city
for
any
any
incidences
or
damages
caused
by
its
permitting
the
state.
H
H
Is
it
the
city's
policy
and
you
take
it
into
consideration
and
you
vote
upon
it
to
assume
liability
and
risk
by
becoming
an
operator,
and
not
just
the
the
permitor,
because
under
under
Florida
law
as
a
local
government,
our
approvals
of
permits
do
not
serve
as
a
guarantee
that
the
system
will
will
work.
If
that
were
the
case,
every
city
in
the
State
of
Florida
would
be
bankrupt
because.
H
Y
H
H
There
was
just
also
the
question
of
just
Who:
is
the
there's
just
also
the
question?
Who
is
the
proper
permittee
on
in
in
the
eyes
for
going
to
the
Water
Management
District
to
effectuate?
Whatever
fixes
there
are,
because
we
don't
have
an
ownership
interest
at
all
in
any
of
the
properties
that,
if
the
fix
can
be
done,
we
we
would
facilitate
an
assist
the
proper
property
owners
to
be
the
proper
permatease
to
to
resolve
the
situation.
Y
Feasibly
is
this
irrigation
thing
and
again
I'm
skeptical,
because
there's
been
a
lot
of
different
numbers
thrown
out
about
what
the
true
benefit
of
that
would
be
in
the
hyper
short
term,
which
is
of
my
utmost
concern
and
then
the
long
term,
because
again
it's
not
just
private
interests
that
are
at
risk
here,
there's
other
public
infrastructure
that
could
be
impacted
long
term
and
again,
if
you
go
all
the
way
to
the
east
side
of
that
property
up
by
where
the
the
playground
was
shown
on
that
video.
Y
Obviously,
there's
a
retention
wall
or
retainer
wall
that
you
know
is
on
the
boundary
of
Binion
road.
So
you
know
it's
there's
public
interest
in
in
getting
this
done
too.
So
again,
I
I'm,
not
an
attorney,
but
I.
Don't
think
that
this
is
fully
buttoned
up
in
terms
of
all
the
right
people
that
are
on
that
lake
or
part
of
this
recommended
motion.
Y
Nor
that
to
me
there
should
be
some
sort
of
agreement
from
the
people
that
we
are
going
into
an
agreement
for
already
before
we
vote
on
this,
to
say
that
they're
agreeing
to
pay
for
their
own
private
water,
they're.
L
Y
But
you
just
said
a
second
ago:
we're
testing
the
water.
We
don't
know
what
it's
like
right
now
and
so
the
the
value
proposition
that
people
buy
reclaimed
water
from
us
for
is
that
has
been
treated
to
a
certain
degree
and
they
feel
that's
safe
to
put
on
their
yard,
because
else,
if
it
doesn't
get.
If
it
doesn't
go
through
that
process,
it
ends
up
on
its
free
field
to
go
down
through
the
normal
process,
and
so
I
I
disagree
with
the
fact
that
this
is
not.
Y
A
F
A
Well,
that's
what
we
we're
talking
about
60
million
gallons
a
year
is
what
what
you
the
two
neighborhoods,
are
putting
on
to
your
grasses
every
year.
So
we,
if
we
take
60
million
gallons
a
year
out
of
Clear
Lake
I,
don't
care
how
much
gets
back
the
lake.
It's
there's!
60
million
we're
not
putting
in
the
lake
period
I!
Don't
care
how
you
figure
it.
60
million
gallons
is
not
going
in
your
Lake,
whether
we,
whether
it
recycles
whether
whatever
60
million
gallons,
will
not
go
into
your
Lake
I.
A
Don't
I,
don't
have
to
be
any
more
simple
than
that.
60
million
gallons
right
now
is
coming
from
our
Cleveland
Street
Plant
to
irrigate
your
yards
every
year,
60
million
gallons
that
60
million
gallons
will
not
come
from
Cleveland.
That's
60
million
gallons
will
come
from
the
pumps
coming
out
of
Clear
Lake
60
me.
A
A
I,
don't
know
how
it's
it
I,
don't
know
how
it
could
be
any
more
simple
than
that,
if
you're
not
adding
60
million
gallons
a
year
to
the
water,
it's
got
to
reduce
the
lake
level.
I,
don't
know
what
Richard
Earp
can't
tell
you.
What
Michael
Rodriguez
can't
tell
you
what
St
John's
Water
Management
can't
tell
you
what
it's
going
to
drop
here
late
next
year,
because
we
don't
know
what
the
rainfall
is
going
to
be.
We
don't
know
how
much
you're
going
to
irrigate
your
your
grass.
A
F
A
So
we
we
can,
we
can
go,
get
another
engineer
we
can
go.
We
can
go
look
at
other
options,
but
folks
this
will
make
a
difference,
maybe
not
as
fast
you'd
like,
but
it
will
make
a
difference
in
in
the
lake
levels
of
Clear
Lake,
I
I,
don't
know
how
much
more
you
know
clear.
We
can
be
it's
like:
it'll
cost
you
any
more
than
it
would
cost
if
you
were
just
on
the
reclaimed
water
coming
from
Cleveland.
A
That
the
the
problem
we
got,
we
got
three
problems
with
the
lake.
One
is
irrigation.
Water
going,
it
runs
off
into
the
lake
two.
Is
that
the
Retention
Ponds
at
both
both
locations
and
avian
points?
All
all
three
subdivisions
have
failing
stormwater
ponds,
which
are
your
responsibility
and
avian
points,
responsibility
and,
and
then
just
rainfall
I
mean
those
are
the
three
things
that
that
have
caused
the
lake
level
to
rise.
A
Y
Q
Y
I
Well,
so
I
don't
want
to
leave
tonight,
though,
and
just
say
no
and
we're
at
the
same
spot
again
like
we
need
to
come
up
with
something.
I've
said
this
at
every
single
meeting
that
we've
been
at
every
Workshop
that
we've
been
at.
We
don't
know
anything
about
this
I'm,
not
an
engineer.
I,
don't
know
anything
about
water
tables.
I,
don't
know
anything
about
that.
So
for
us
to
be
coming
up
with
any
type
of
idea,
I
think
is
poor
leadership.
I
I
think
what
we
need
to
do
is
bring
in,
like
I,
said
the
last
meeting,
an
independent
consultant
that
can
tell
us,
because
not
only
do
we
need
to
be
pumping
the
water
out.
We
need
to
see
to
everyone's
Point.
Does
water
need
to
be
treated
when
the
water
is
pumped
out?
Is
there
going
to
be
settling?
Our
house
is
going
to
start
falling
into
Lake
now
because
there's
erosion,
so
there's
a
lot
more
into
this
than
just
getting
the
water
out,
although
that
is
the
the
immediate
issue,
it's
a
long-term
thing.
I
I
There's
a
lot
of
tree
work.
There's
gonna
be
a
lot
of
yard
work,
fences
things
like
that.
That
need
to
be
taken
care
of
parks
that
that
can
go
towards
that.
So
that
was
my
thought
there
to
to
kind
of
fix
once
we
get
there,
but
it's
a
multi-faceted
issue
that
is
going
to
take
a
lot
of
brains
to
do
this
and
I
think
us
just
spitballing
is
not
the
correct
thing
with
people's
homes.
I
So
again,
if
this
isn't
the
solution,
then
I
I,
don't
know
where
we
go
from
here,
but
I
don't
want
to
just
leave
this
and
say
not
this
one
next
and
be
and
wait
another
two
to
three
a
month.
It's
a
problem
and
the
water
isn't
going
down
in
the
outside
engineer,
but
at
the
same
time,
if
we
bring
somebody
specialty
in
it
still
pushes
us.
I
So
it's
so
quick
and
I,
don't
know
if
we
can
then
implement
the
90-day
solution
just
to
at
least
do
something
just
to
stop
the
bleeding
in
some
capacity
bring
that
in
because
that
will
help,
and
it
will
do
something
and
then
bring
in
that
specialist
at
the
same
time
and
then
maybe
still
work
towards
bringing
in
these
pumps.
Is
there
any
way
to
do
a
once?
We
figure
out
what's
in
the
water?
I
L
There
are
filters
that
they
plan
to
put
in
pumps
that,
typically
when
they,
when
they
suck
water
out
of
a
retention,
Pond
or
a
lake,
that
they
put
filters
on
it's
not
the
first
time
it's
been
done,
I,
don't
know
specifically
what
they
well.
First
of
all,
I
don't
have
the
water
quality
test
results
back,
so
I,
don't
know
what
we
would
be
trying
to
remove
and
I.
Don't
know
exactly
what
the
filters
remove
other
than
particulates.
So
the
irrigation
systems
don't
get
clogged
so
we're
just
not
there.
Yet,
with
the
filters
I.
I
Understand
so
and
and
I've
seen,
this
at
I
know
like
out
of
Lake
Brantley
people
irrigate
their
lawns
directly
from
link
Brantley
individually.
They
all
have
separate
pumps
at
each
of
their
lawns
and
irrigate
directly
without
without
any
type
of
filtration
other
than
just
making
sure
a
seaweed
doesn't
or
whatever
doesn't
get
sucked
up
into
it.
So
so
why
is
this
any
different
than
Lake
Brantley,
then
I
think
there's
there's
not
new
construction.
Only
Brantley
there's
a
lot
of
construction.
That's
gone
on!
I
There's
failed
ponds
that
have
gone
on
around
this
in
almost
every
Community
around
here,
including
avian
Point.
That's
a
difference
in
the
communities.
I
Y
Mean
again
we're
spinning
our
Wheels
here,
because
I
mean
we've
got
the
president
of
the
HOA
from
Clear
Lakeland.
Obviously
you
don't
speak
for
every
single
homeowner,
but
if,
if
you're,
if
you
all
represent
a
fairly
good
proxy
of
the
people
that
live
in
these
developments,
I
would
think
that
it's
going
to
be
a
pretty
big
time
waste
for
staff
to
try
and
negotiate
something
that
is
clearly
not
acceptable
at
this
point,
so
I
think
the
only
way
is
to
get
some
sort
of
third
party.
If
that's,
if
that's
the
route
that
we.
F
C
I
It's
just
it
doesn't
fix
the
issue
in
a
month
where
the
water
could
get
higher
and
it's
still
affecting
homes,
so
I
mean
if
it
were
my
home
and
that's
how
I
think
about
this.
It
was
my
kids
in
that
backyard
or
not
backyard.
Now
I
would
want
it
let's
at
least
get
it
down
a
foot.
Let's
do
something
to
stop
it
now.
What
and
in
that
same
time,
let's
get
an
independent
contractor
in
here
to
to
then
evaluate
it
in
its
entirety
to
implement
a
long-term
Solution.
A
But
we
go
back
to
our
our
our
responsibility,
I
mean
if,
without
you
know,
we've
got
to
get
the
the
retention
bonds
need
to
be
cleaned,
they
need
to
be
functioning
properly,
which
we've
got,
how
many
at
least
three
that
aren't
functioning
properly,
which
are
obviously
the
the
homeowner
association's
issues
and
not
not
the
cities.
Obviously,
avian
Point
has
to
get
their
their
system
up.
B
A
Y
If
we
were
taking
the
really
pristine
approach
here
that
this
is
not
our
problem
to
solve,
why
are
we
even
contemplating
the
business
tonight
but
I
think
the
most?
The
best
use
of
time
should
have
been
like
some
sort
of
agreement
from
the
parties
here
tonight
for
us
to
even
vote
on
I
mean
it
seems
like
nobody
is
in
support
of
this
from
the
the
impacted
parties,
so
I'm,
just
confused
as
to
how
we
got
to
formal
council
consideration
when
the
people
that
are
impacted
by
the
the
perceived
benefit
of
this
are
non-board
like.
Y
Can
we
just
we've
got
to
do
some
I
mean
tons
of
the
essence
here,
obviously,
because
there's
issues
here
and
who
knows
what
the
rainy
season
is
going
to
look
like,
but
I
would
expect
that
there
have
been
a
lot
more
work
done,
so
that
this
is
more
of
a
formality
getting
here
than
obviously
turn
it
into
a
hour
and
a
half
long
conversation.
AD
Can
I
have
a
few
seconds
here,
everybody's
timed
sure,
a
proposal
that
maybe
somebody
would
want
to
hear?
Okay.
So
what
I've
heard
is
we
have
concerns
about
this
being
a
private
Lake
in
the
city
being
involved
in
it?
So
what
would
be
the
harm
in
the
city
footing
the
bill
for
the
pumps,
the
city
footing
the
bill
for
the
installation
of
this
like
what
is
being
proposed
and
then
everything's
handed
off
to
the
communities.
The
communities
then
maintain
the
pumps.
The
communities
then
pay
for
the
operation
of
the
pumps.
AD
There
are
pumps,
that's
the
city's
contribution,
then,
at
that
point,
to
the
resolution
of
the
problem
that
has
been
created
by
permitting
the
the
communities
to
be
allowed
to
be
built.
Without
the
consideration
of
how
much
water
was
going
to
be
brought
in
so
from
an
HOA
standpoint,
we
would
pay
for
the
electricity.
We
would
pay
for
the
the
ongoing
maintenance
of
these
pumps,
anything
that
needed
to
be
done
with
once
the
construction
is
completed.
It
would
be
between
us
and
the
engineering
company
or
the
the
installation
company
that
installs
those.
AD
So
that
would
be
our
contribution
to
the
cost
of
it
would
be
the
ongoing
maintenance
of
it,
but
asking
us
to
turn
this
into
a
profit
for
the
city.
To
me
is
asinine
I
mean
that
that's
crazy,
that
this
is
a
problem
that
we're
going
to
be
asked
to
pay,
for
our
homeowners
are
all
going
to
be
asked
to
pay
for
in
the
the
water
bills
for
something
that
they
didn't
create
so
turn
it
into.
The
city
contributes
that
the
city
pays
for
those
pumps.
We
maintain
them.
AD
B
AD
The
water
bill,
the
the
reclaimed
meteors,
would
be
shut
off.
The
reclaimed
piping
system
would
be
gifted
to
the
communities
the
pile
the
pumps
are
installed.
Our
homeowners
no
longer
pay
anything
for
that
water.
At
that
point,
then
we
can
encourage
them
if
we
have
high
lake
levels,
if
we
have
hurricanes
that
come
in,
we
can
encourage
them
to
use
extra
water.
If
possible,
you
still
can
on
the
same
days
they
can.
A
AD
They
don't
want
to
have
three
and
four
hundred
dollar
water
bills
per
month
right,
but
if,
on
the
same
days,
they
can
run
that
system
for
six
hours
and
pump
extra
water
out.
In
the
case
that
we
have
a
hurricane,
you
yourself
talked
about
doing
that
at
one
of
the
sports
facilities,
right
that
whenever
you
knew
you
had
a
storm
coming
run
extra
water
on
those
days
we
could
do
that.
We
could
do
that
in
the
common
areas.
We
pay
a
substantial
amount
for
the
water
in
those
common
areas
right
now.
AD
A
H
If
the
question
is
that,
then
it's
what
would
be
is
the
conversion
of
their
current.
Currently,
the
reclaimed
water
system,
I
guess
in
these
two
subdivisions
is
public
is
the
city's
system.
If
the
city,
if
we
enter
into
an
agreement
with
both
homeowners
associations-
and
we
need
to
make
sure
that
we
have
the
correct
legal
entity
that
is
as
the
authority
to
enter
into
an
agreement
with
the
city,
it's
just
my
biggest
concern
is
at
least
with
I,
always
forget
that
Clear
Lake
Estates
is
going
the
north
it.
H
It
isn't
clear
that
the
association
has
been
completely
turned
over
to
the
homeowner's
control
when
we
get
the
correct
entity.
If
we're
looking
at
a
conversion
of
the
reclaimed
system
to
completely
private
operation,
to
be
maintained
and
operated
by
the
HOA
with
the
HOA
charge,
whatever
they
want
through
part
of
their
assessments
for
the
costs
of
maintaining
it
isn't
just
the
pumps,
it
would
actually
also
be
all
the
piping
and
all
the
the
system
that
was
installed
by
the
city.
We've
turned
it
over
to
them.
H
I
think
that
we
would
have
to
make
sure
the
water
management
District
signs
off
on
it,
and
if
it's
going
to
be
a
completely
private
reclaimed
system,
then
we
would
probably
shut
off
the
connections
to
the
city's
system.
So
there
wouldn't
I,
don't
know
if
that
I'd
have
to
refer
defer
to
the
engineers,
whether
we
remove
the
switches
which
would
allow
them
to
if
they
need
additional
reclaimed
water
from
the
city's
system
to
switch
and
go
on.
H
If
it's
going
to
be
a
completely
self-contained
internal
private
system,
then
it
will
be
a
completely
self-contained
private
system
so
that
the
water
remains
in
the
same
Basin
and
you
don't
have
our
water
coming
in
from
the
outside
and
that
is
that
is
doable.
We'd
have
to
enter
into
such
agreement
to
whether
what
would
be
you
know,
we
would
then
analyze
what
are
the
cost
to
basically
convey
our
system
to
the
association,
and
then
the
association
becomes
100
liable
for
its
maintenance
and
its
operation,
because
it's
no
longer
a
public
system.
A
A
H
Are
we
well
the
the
that's
the
it's?
The
I
want
to
discuss
precedents
that
are
set
right,
but
again
I,
I
I'm,
advising
you
the
same
with
what
is
the
law
in
Florida
that
right,
there's
no
liability
for
permitting
there's
liabilities
for
operational
decisions
that
are
made
made
by
the
city,
so
I
mean
it
depends.
I
mean
the
answer
to
usually
everything
is.
It
depends
what
to
look
at
in
a
case-by-case
basis.
But
if,
if
that
is
a
proposal,
I
mean
we'd
have
to
examine
it.
H
Make
sure
that
the
Water
Management
District
is
is
on
board
with
that
and,
and
that
will
be
basically
disconnecting
a
approved
subdivision
from
the
city's
reclaimed
water
system
and
having
it
be
completely
private,
then
we
can
determine
well
what
is
actually
the
contribution
is
the
city
basically
gifting
them
the
reclaimed
pumps
for
them
to
operate
on
their
their
system
or
I
mean
that's,
that's
something
that
we
can
then
to
look
at
and
agree
as
to
what
exactly
is
going
to
be
the
financial
impacts
of
basically
constructing
this.
Y
H
Y
Your
HOA,
why
can
we
not
get
all
the
presence
of
the
HOA
together
see
if
this
is
mutually
agreeable
and
then,
if
this
seems
like
a
viable
solution
for
long-term
under
neighborhoods,
then
then
it
becomes
a
legal
conversation
to
see
how
can
the
deal
be
mapped
out?
That's
when
it
comes
back
to
council
to
get
those
particulars.
F
F
AC
Y
Or
what
have
you
and
then
because
these
are
these-
are
the
people
that
you
need
to
and
I'm
looking
at,
you
Michael
I'm
sorry
keep
on
looking
at
you
for
whatever,
but
these
are
the
people
that
we
have
to
convince
first
before
it
comes
back
up
here.
H
I
I
think
just
I
mean
legally.
What
was
presented
for
your
decision
today
is
that
the
the
reclaimed
system
as
it
exists,
that's
the
only
stakehold
that
the
city
has
because
it's
it's
our
system,
it's
our
reclaimed
pipes.
It's
that's
it's
a
public
system!
So
that's
where
the
city
has
ownership
and
control
at
this
point
where
there
could
be
some
action
done
on
the
part
of
the
city,
because
it's
city
property
that
you'll
be
acting
on.
Y
And
then,
as
part
of
that
presentation
to
the
mayor's
Point
I'm,
assuming
staff
has
probably
some
level
of
visibility
into
how
many
lakes
that
this
could
potentially
meet
the
same
scenario
right.
So
we
would
have
visibility
and
to
see
how
many
more
potential
of
these
conversations
we
might
have,
but
that's
not
and.
T
H
Would
advise
we'd
take
a
long-term
look
because
each
system
that
we
cut
off
from
our
system,
how
that's
going
to
impact
our
own
reclaimed,
water
system
and
the
amount
of
water
that
we
take
in
based
on
our
agreements
from
Altamont?
Where
are
we
going
to
then
create
a
capacity
system
in
the
overall
system?
Because,
as
you
begin
to
remove
pieces
from
your
overall
system
now,
you
we
have
to,
we
have
to
analyze
enough
to
defer
to
staff
I'm,
not
an
engineer.
I
went
to
law
school,
so
I
didn't
have
to
do
math.
H
We
would
have
to
determine
that
what
are
going
to
be
the
impacts
to
our
overall
system
by
basically
removing
potentially
removing
other
systems
from
the
overall
system.
But
that's
that's
the
long-term,
View
and
we'd
have
to
look
into
that,
but
that's
something
we
need
to
look
into
because
we
don't
want
to.
We
don't
want
to
have
unintended
consequences
in
the
future,
because
we
look
short
term
in
one
aspect
and
didn't
look
at
the
overall
long-term
impacts
from
a
a
instant
action.
H
That
may
be
addressed
in
an
agreement
whether
we
I
mean
it's,
it's
it's
a
question,
I
mean
that's,
that's
something
we'd
have
to
negotiate.
H
Is
there
a
question
of
if
there's
a
drought
they
need
to
draw
from
our
system,
then
we'll
have
to
have
some
type
of
a
financial
agreement
and
Arrangement
so
that
hey
you
need
to
now
your
if
your
residents
want
to
irrigate
you're
not
allowed
to
draw
from
your
own
Lake
now
you're
gonna
have
to
purchase
reclaimed
water
from
the
city
to
you
know
make
up
your
shortfall
that
you
would
from
what
you're
not
able
to.
These
are
all
things
that
would
probably
be
negotiable.
I.
AD
Understandably,
you
know,
obviously
none
of
us
hear
engineers
and
can
no
speak
to
that,
but
with
that
being
a
spring-fed
lake,
if
that
Lake
gets
to
the
point
where
it's
so
dry
that
we
can't
draw
water
out
of
it
more
than
likely
you've
already
got
restrictions
on
the
reclaimed
water
system,
as
it
is
I
mean
we're
going
to
have
water
issues
everywhere.
At
that
point,.
I
But
I
think
that's
the
thing
I
in
in
commissioner
Becker
said
the
same
thing
I
mean
we're
coming
into
this
conversation.
I
had
a
pretty
good
understanding
of
it
and
then
coming
out
of
this
now
I'm
more
confused
than
before.
So
let's
bring
somebody
in
that
is
just
third
party,
independent
I
I
that
that's
what
I
would
suggest
is
just
bring
somebody
else
in
that
can
confirm
the
water
testing
and
my
concern
too,
with
with
let's
say
that
we
do
here's
six
hundred
thousand
dollars
no
problem.
City's
done
we're
good
we're
good!
I
Now
and
in
three
years
you
guys
pump
the
lake
dry
and
now
you're
like
hey.
Can
we
hook
back
up
to
here
to
our
water
and
and
you
and
we
say
yeah,
you
guys
got
to
give
us
whatever
it
is
hundred
thousand
dollars.
You
guys
say:
well
you
guys,
let
us
pump
it
too
far.
I
There's
just
a
lot
there's
so
many
issues
here
that
again
bring
somebody
a
specialist
in
this
in
some
capacity
that
can
give
us
a
multifaceted
answer
to
this
again.
If
it
were,
my
house,
I
would
want
it
pumped
as
quick
as
possible.
Right
now
and
then
bring
in
that
specialist.
In
that
same
time,
in
that
90-day
period,
I
think
we
should
have
an
answer
from
a
specialist
at
that
point
and
our
consultant
and
be
able
to
move
forward.
But
it's
up
to
you
guys,
yes,
Wilcox
yeah.
AE
AE
C
AE
But
it
does
feel
like
you
need
to
find
the
results
of
the
water
test.
You
can
be
done
from
what's
in
our
life
and
understand
that
we
need
to
have
a
consultant.
We
also
need
to
lower
it
so
that
we,
but
it's
a
neighbor's
fault
that
is
being
away
from
water
coming
into
your
home.
So
it
doesn't
like
there.
I
AE
AE
Karen
from
Clear
Lake
Landings,
what
I
was
stating
is
that
my
neighbor
some
houses
down
for
me,
it's
their
home,
that's
getting
close
to
having
water
come
in
and
so
I
feel
like
I
wanted
to
stay.
I
appreciate
that
we
want
to
bring
in
a
consultant.
We
want
to
find
out
the
water
test
results,
those
all
felt
very
wise,
but
in
the
meantime
it
feels
like
we
have
an
emergency
measure
that
we
need
to
lower
the
water
in
some
methodology.
AE
I
I
Because
that's
our
additional
problem
is
that
it's
a
closed
Basin,
so
we're
pumping
every
day
more
water
into
that
Basin.
Is
why
the
water's
not
going
down
in
any
capacity
every
single
day
that
you
that
we're
watering,
those
Lawns
and
those
Community
areas,
it's
bringing
more
water
into
the
system
that
we
don't
need.
So.
I
B
Y
Again,
let's
we're
not
going
to
solve
it
right
here
again,
each
and
each
homeowner
that
comes
into
these
Chambers
there's,
probably
several
homeowners
that
weren't
able
to
make
tonight.
They
may
have
completely
different
opinions
that
were
what
were
probably
publicly
broadcast
here
this
evening.
So
knowing
that
each
one
of
these
neighborhoods
has
an
HOA
board,
I
would
I
would
I
would
from
I
would
suggest
that
each
neighborhood
work
with
their
HOA
board
so
that
they
have
a
consensus
of
their
community
and
you
sit
down
on
a
table
with
staff
at
a
round
table.
Y
Y
You
know
a
point
of
thinking
that
might
come
as
a
result
of
having
that
conversation,
but
I
think
that's
the
best
use
of
everybody's
time,
because
the
first
order,
defense
from
up
here,
knowing
that
it's
not
acceptable
by
the
the
membership
of
the
association,
is
through
those
HOA
boards
that
are
voted
for
that
purpose.
That's.
C
D
I,
do
not
I've
at
this
point
from
what
I
see
from
all
the
public
comments
they
the
residents,
don't
want.
It
don't
want
this
proposition
that
we
we're
offering.
D
They
want
the
emergency
permit
to
at
least
bring
the
lake
down
and
I.
Think
the
big
decision
is
the
cost
at
this
point
for
them
it's.
We
already
told
them
90
days,
two
hundred
thousand
dollars
and
then
they're
asking
us
to
bring
a
consultant
in
we
have
to.
We
have
to
do
something,
but
we
know
they
don't
want
this.
D
D
Y
H
H
Y
H
I'm
not
I'm,
not
playing
that
no
I'm,
not
claiming
anything
I'm,
just
trying
to
clarify
with
the
right,
because
we've
got
one
associate
one
built
up
Association,
that's
already
done
now,
I
mean
I'd,
make
sure
we
get
the
right
names,
because
we've
got
one
subdivision.
That's
already
that
borders
on
this
Lake.
That
appears.
We
have
already
been
well.
H
I'm
trying
to
clarify
it's
like
look,
let's
discuss,
who
is
actually
being
directly
impacted
and
that
if
there's
a,
if
there's
a
multi-party
agreement,
where
a
private
reclaimed
system
is,
is
done
that
it's
the
right
folks,
because
I
don't
based
I,
think
on
their
prior
one.
I.
Don't
think
that
the
other
folks
on
that
are
west
of
avian
point?
H
Is
it
the
red,
the
name
of
the
street
or
grand
the
folks
that
are
west
of
grand
Avion,
Parkway
I,
don't
know
if
they
can
pump
out
of
Clear
Lake
to
irrigate
theirs,
because
it's
it's
a
different
base
and
that's
that's
what
I
was
trying
to
State.
A
We
just
need
a
motion
to
I
guess
to.
H
Okay,
we
can
with
we
can
withdraw
the
item.
So
therefore
there'll
be
no
action
and
then
we
can,
if,
if
you're,
giving
us
direction,
if
we're
getting
a
consensus
of
the
council,
that
you
wish
for
to
direct
staff
to
try
to
negotiate
kind
of
a
three
or
four
party
agreement,
then
we'll
proceed
forward
there.
We
could
do
that.
Let.
A
Me
asked
you
this:
what
if
we?
How
about
a
do?
We
throw
an
idea
at
you
how
about
if
we
just
charge
you
half
the
price
for
the
water
and
just
take
when
we
take
it,
we
keep
it.
No
I'm,
just
I'm,
because
we're
we're
already
engaged
you're
going
to
have
to
go
back.
You
have
to
follow.
You're
gonna
have
to
go
to
St
John's
you're,
going
to
do
all
the
permitting.
We
can
have
this
thing
up.
You've
got
to
go
to
Bollinger
and
I'm,
just
I'm
just
trying
to
throw
a
solution
at
you.
If.
AD
A
AD
I
I
would
agree
with
that.
I
think
that's
something
that
I
mean
if
that's
a
proposal
that
the
city
wants
to
make.
We
can
definitely
take
that
back
and
you
know
we've
got
a
board
meeting
tomorrow
night
in
our
community.
We
can
discuss
that
with
the
board
members
directly
with
the
residents
get
their
input.
A
Because
you
don't
want
you
don't
want
to
manage
the
pump
stations
you
don't
want
to
deal
with.
St
John's
I
mean
I,
don't
listen,
I'm
just
trying
to
come
up
with
a
something
we
can
get
done
faster.
If
you
guys
go
through
the
process.
If
we
turn
it
all
over
to
you,
it's
I
can
tell
you
it's
going
to
be
slower,
I
mean
you
know,
we've
already
got,
we've
got,
everybody
engaged.
AD
A
AD
AD
We
are
talking,
I
mean
the
homeowners
like
what
was
discussed
before
you're
talking
about
taking
water
that
we
don't
know
right.
What's
going
to
be
in
that
water,
it's
going
to
have
to
be
cleaned
up
whatever
else
and
putting
that
into
our
lawns,
so
our
homeowners
are
still
paying
for
that
without
that
extra
filtration
being
done,
if
that
water
was
going
straight
into
a
reclaimed
facility
and
it
was
being
treated
the
same
as
what
reclaimed
water
is
right
now
there
would
be
no
question
about
it.
E
May
have
a
better
question
or
a
comment:
why
don't
we
do
this?
Why
don't
we
withdraw
the
item
tonight
and
let's
sit
down
as
soon
as
possible,
with
all
the
players
I
think,
there's
three
players
involved.
The
HOAs
give
them
time
to
get
consensus
with
your
people.
The
hsoa
and
they'll
come
back
with
an
agreement
that
we
can
all
agree
on
at
the
next
meeting.
Hopefully
so
we
won't
delay
too
much
more
because.
AD
E
AF
740
Bay
Bridge,
Circle
and
I
made
the
decisions
to
stay
far
away
from
the
lake.
However,
I
panicked
passing
there
can
we
do
something
now
for
our
neighbors
and
and
then
table
the
other
things
I
know
the
word
of
the
day
is
liability
I'm
a
kindergarten
teacher
I
get
it,
however,
for
our
hearts
and
Minds
to
be
clear.
Can
we
do
something
for
them
now
and
work
on
the
other
stuff,
possibly
later?
After
all
the
board
members
get
together
and
make
smart
calm,
reasonable
decisions.
B
H
Should
be
the
associations
with
to
the
Water
Management
District
and
not
the
city,
because
it's
not
a
city,
it's
not
a
city
project.
It's
not
as
in
we're
not
taking
ownership
of
the
actual
pumping
project.
The
the
proper
permittee
should
be
the
associations
it.
I
I
H
No,
no,
no,
the
the
pumping
would
have
to
be
through
remember
under
Florida
law.
The
an
Upland
owner
is
liable
for
any
damages
caused
by
flooding.
Your
low
land
owner
natural
drainage
is
excluded,
but
if
you
actually
artificially
increase
the
drainage
from
an
Upland
to
the
lowland,
the
lowland
owner
can
come
after
the
Upland
owner
for
increasing
footage.
So
you're
not
gonna.
H
The
district
isn't
going
to
necessarily
allow
the
permitting
for
you
to
flood
your
neighbor's
property.
The
drainage
will
have
to
work
its
way
through
the
drainage
systems
to
work
its
way
out
to
Lake
Apopka
you're,
not
going
to
just
dump
the
water
in
your
neighbor
right.
I
And
well,
that's
not
what
I'm
saying
is
that
the
pump?
Why
would
if
we
were
saying
that
both
hoes
have
to
be
in
it?
Wouldn't
anybody
that's
within?
We
would
have
four
different
people
that
have
to
apply
for
that:
avian
Point
Community,
Association,
Clear,
Lake,
Estates,
LLC,
Clear,
Lake,
Landing,
Homer,
Association
and
then
Sandra
that.
O
AD
H
And
that's
right,
and
it's
just
it's
just
that
the
actual
permit
holder
I
mean
I,
would
advise
it
not
be
the
city.
However,
it's
permitted
between
the
associations
if
the
associations
come
at
your
group,
but
it's
a
matter
between
the
associations,
property
owners
and
the
the
Water
Management
District
in
any
any
facilitation
we
can
assist.
I
mean
we
probably
can
provide
our
expertise
to
assist,
but
I
I
the
permit
has
to
be
held
by
one
of
these
one
of
the
associations.
All
four
associations.
I
I
H
Correct
well,
I
think
it's
it's
kind
of
one
of
those.
It's
there
is
an
HOA,
but
I
believe
the
HOA
is
still
developer
controlled.
So.
C
H
Is
an
HR
there
is
an
incorporated
HOA,
the
actual
single
purpose
entity,
the
Clear
Lake
Estates
LLC
is
actually
an
inactive
Florida
Corporation,
but
the
Clear
Lake
Estates
homeowners
association
is
an
active,
Corporation
and
I
think
when
examining
their
the
board
of
directors.
Of
that
I
mean
I
I
tend
to
believe
that
they're
actually
representatives
of
the
developer.
So
it's
still
a
developer,
controlled
Association
that
hasn't
been
I,
think
formally
and.
F
C
I
H
R
H
I
I
know
him
pretty
well,
so
that's
interesting
that
he
didn't
turn.
O
O
I
Just
that's
a
just
another
convoluted.
This
is
such
a
multi-faceted
issue,
it's
crazy!
So
then,
what's
the
next
steps,
I
guess
from
there!
If
that's
what
we're
trying
to
do
as
an
emergency
pump,
not
that
it's
going
to
be
us,
but
we
can
help
Shepherd
this
as
needed.
It's
not
going
to
be
in
our
name,
but
we
make
the
calls
or
help
out
or
be
on
the
calls.
So
I
guess.
I
H
Today
and
then
now
it's
it's
so
it's
kind
of
two-pronged,
the
city
will
help
facilitate,
put
the
right
folks
in
contact
with
the
Water
Management
District,
in
order
for
them
to
proceed
forward
with
the
that
permit
to
do
the
emergency
pumping
and
then
concurrently,
we
could
work
with
all
the
parties
to
try
to
effectuate
an
agreement,
for
you
know,
transfer
or
privatization
of
the
reclaimed
water
system
and
then
whatever,
however
long
it
takes
to
come
up
with
such
an
agreement,
we'll
present
it
back
to
and
the
parties
all
agree.
H
AD
C
A
All
right
so
we'll
I
guess
we'll
just
withdraw
the
motion
or
withdraw
the
business
item
and
which
is
the
emergency
designation
for
public
services
to
procure
the
services
of
Ballinger
irrigation
for
design,
permitting
construction
and
one-year
routine
maintenance
for
alternative
water
supply.
So
we'll
we'll
we'll
motion
to
do
that.
C
AC
Y
All
right
and
I'm
going
to
go
ahead
and
apologize
for
those
that
are
here
for
business
purposes
that
are
still
having
to
wait
for
me
to
do
my
presentation,
but
I'll
try
to
make
it
as
brief
as
possible,
10
to
15
minute
Max,
just
to
set
that
expectation,
I,
don't
know
how
much
conversation
this
is
going
to
lead
to,
but
just
to
put
that
out
there,
and
so
what
I
wanted
to
do
is
you
know?
Y
I
talked
about
this
back
in
December
I'm,
going
to
Breeze
through
a
couple
slides
that
I
presented
back
then
just
as
a
refresher
but
have
kind
of
the
council's
weigh-in
on
this
important
topic
at
least
a
topic
that
I
think
is
important
for
the
the
progress
of
our
city.
Y
So
the
first
slide
that
I
that
showed
last
December
or
in
December
was
this
first
slide,
and
the
purpose
of
this
slide
was
just
to
show
that
you
know
when
we
look
at
Apopka
we're
we're
a
bit
of
an
outlier
in
the
sense
that
we
don't
have
an
economic
development
department
or
director,
by
name
similar
to
what
other
cities
are
doing,
and
the
purpose
of
this
slide
is
not
necessarily
to
show
how
these
departments
are
funded
or
how
they're
staffed
or
organized
it's
merely
to
say.
Y
Other
cities
find
Value
here
and
Apopka,
hopefully,
through
the
course
of
this
presentation.
I'll
prove
the
case
that
we
should
too
so
the
next
slide
talked
about
what
my
my
Visions
are
right
and
it's
for
tonight
it's
threefold
when
we,
when
you
hear
the
presentation
it's
to
contemplate
three
different
things
tonight.
First,
is
the
creation
of
an
economic
development
department.
Again,
the
creation
of
this
department
will
set
us
up
for
long-term
success.
Y
Even
if
we
start
small
it'll
allow
us
to
have
the
department
for
us
to
grow
into
as
we
grow
as
a
city
which
obviously
is
inevitable,
with
how
we're
growing.
Today,
the
creation
of
an
economic
development
director
role
that
would
be
ratified
by
this
Council
and
then
the
funding
of
the
newly
created
Department
with
two
hundred
thousand
dollars
from
the
coronavirus
state
and
local
fiscal
recovery
funds
which
otherwise
acronym
slf,
RF
and
I,
say
that
and
two
things
of
clarity
that
were
discussed.
The
last
meeting
on
this
topic.
200
000,
is
not
for
salary.
Y
It's
not
a
base
salary
for
an
economic
development
director.
It's
the
amount
of
money
to
fund
that
department
I
would
rely
on
Mr
Patton,
hopefully
to
have
some
some
take
on
what
economic
developers
Economic
Development
directors
make
within
this
particular
area
and
have
some
sort
of
range
for
that,
but
obviously
below
the
200
000
Mark.
The
idea
would
be
to
have
base
salary
and
and
and
benefits,
as
well
as
money
left
over
for
certain
things,
to
get
out
in
the
community,
whether
that
be
conferences,
external
trade
shows
plans
for
marketing
plans.
Y
Things
like
that,
but
the
whole
point
of
these
coronavirus,
state
and
local
funds
is
it's
federal
dollars,
not
direct
taxpayer
dollars
from
the
city
of
Apopka
for
this
purpose,
but
their
whole
pillar.
For
the
purposes
of
these
funds
is
to
build
a
strong,
resilient
and
Equitable
recovery
by
making
Investments
that
support
long-term
growth
and
opportunity,
and
I
would
argue
that
that's
basically
the
role
Charter
of
an
economic
development
department
within
any
given
City.
Y
So
as
I
flip
through
the
new
slides,
the
new
slides
for
this
presentation,
I
would
just
ask
really
have
the
lens
of
what.
If
we
do
nothing,
what
if
we
don't
make
this
investment?
What
if
we
don't
use
these
dollars
for
this
purpose?
Think
about
how
we
operate
today.
The
pace
at
which
we
have
the
types
of
establishments
that
we
all
kind
of
have
in
our
head
of
what
Apopka
wants
to
look
like,
but
just
have
that
lens.
Y
So
a
lot
of
times
when
I
say
Economic
Development,
you
know
after
Council
means
like
this
or
if
I
post,
something
on
social
media.
There's
a
lot
of
kind
of
spirited
debate
about
what
economic
development
is
and
so
I
wanted
to
very
easily
and
succinctly
put
what
the
core
tenets
of
Economic
Development
are,
because
you
can
look
up
many
different
definitions
here
and
there,
but
I
think
at
its
most
core.
It's
about
attracting
and
growing
businesses
creating
and
retaining
jobs
and
making
our
community
a
better
place
to
live.
Now.
Y
That's
part
and
parcel
with
some
of
the
business
entities
that
come
along
down
that
path,
but
really
it's
making
sure
that
our
diverse
Community
has
diverse
opportunities
for
jobs
within
our
city.
Y
Again,
when
we
did
visioning
back
before
I
think
there
was
a
great
stat
about
how
many
people
leave
our
city
for
the
purposes
of
working
every
day,
and
so,
if
we
can
alleviate
some
of
that,
naturally,
that
alleviates
some
burden
on
on
infrastructure.
But
it
creates
a
an
inviting
place
for
us
to
have
opportunities
for
our
residents,
making
our
community
a
better
place
to
live
this
one.
Y
We
hear
a
lot
and
it's
inclusive
of
the
first
two
points,
obviously,
but
beyond
that,
it's
pretty
subjective
but
I
think
if
based
off
my
time
at
the
doors
during
campaigns
during
my
conversation
that
HOA
meetings
anytime
I
engage
with
residents,
it's
always
about
what
are
we
doing
to
really
deliver
on
this
idea
of
having
walkable
sociable
gathering
places
within
our
city
that
our
first
inclination
is
not
to
get
in
our
car
and
travel,
5,
10
15
miles
per
15
miles
outside
of
our
city,
and
so
as
we
get
into
the
next
Slide
part
of
this
is
when
I
say
Economic
Development,
there's
a
lot
of
people
that
just
immediately
jump
into
okay,
we're
only
talking
about
restaurants,
and
so
the
next
slide
I'm
not
just
talking
about
restaurants,
but
we
do
have
a
lot
of
great
restaurants
here
within
the
city
of
Apopka
I,
don't
I
think
Nadia
Lobster,
probably
it.
Y
That
haven't
heard
of
some
of
these
restaurants
to
go
and
patronize
them
go
and
visit
these
restaurants,
but
I
think
some
of
the
the
people
that
might
dispute
the
value
of
Economic
Development-
and
you
know
the
idea
of
we
already
have
restaurants
and
people
should
frequent
those
instead,
it's
not
about
these-
are
the
only
ones
we're
a
town
of
57,
000
people
and
growing.
This
list
is
going
to
be,
it
should
grow,
but
I
encourage
people
to
go
visit.
Y
These
restaurants
that
you
see
on
the
page
right
now,
but
but
the
really
the
Crux
of
it
is
how
do
we
benefit?
Y
The
city
of
Apopka
has
is
expended
dollars
to
their
Orlando
economic
partnership
for
years,
and
this
is
their
kind
of
top
six
reasons
or
benefits
for
having
Economic
Development
within
a
particular
City,
first
and
foremost,
job
creation.
So
when
we
think
about
attracting
restaurants
or
if
we
think
about
attracting
shopping
outlets,
you
know
an
average
sit-down
restaurant
of
that
size
probably
has
50
people
that
you
would
create
jobs
for
Big,
Box
retailers,
you're,
probably
looking
at
300
jobs
and
plus.
If
we
talk
about
some
corporate
interests,
take
corvo,
for
example.
Y
Y
You
know,
Apopka
has
a
great
history
of
evolving
industry,
but
it's
really
waterfall
one
industry
closes
as
the
next
one
opens,
but
really
industry
diversification
ensures
that
we
have
a
broad
mixture
of
of
Industry
within
our
city.
That
way,
if,
if
one
goes
bad,
there's
other
opportunity,
the.
Y
Know
kind
of
example,
that
I'll
use
for
diversification
is,
you
know
our
residents
always
talk
about
the
fast
food
and
the
auto
parts
store
or
dollar
stores
people
get
fatigued
by
high
concentrations
of
any
one
particular
business.
A
good
economic
developer
is
making
sure
that
we
have
a
broad
mix
and
balance
within
those
develop
or
within
those
business
community.
Y
From
a
macro
level,
when
you
talk
about
industry
diversification,
you
think
about
towns
up
north
that
may
be
heavily
steeped
in
the
steel
or
coal
Industries
through
geopolitical
factors.
You
know
that,
could
you
know
adversely
affect
that
one
industry
and
that
if
they're,
so
one
industry-centric,
if
that
goes
down
their
Community
falls
apart.
Y
This
is,
you
know,
we're
a
partnership
with
organizations
like
the
Apopka
Area
Chamber
of
Commerce
would
be
a
good
partnership
opportunity
to
make
sure
that
once
we
get
businesses
here
that
they
continue
to
thrive
through
a
network
of
other
like
businesses
within
the
within
the
community,
but
also
too
having
someone
on
economic
development
at
the
city
level
ensures
that
if
there's
any
infrastructure
considerations,
if
there's
any
policy
considerations
that
are
preventing
businesses
from
thriving
in
a
popular
that
they're
fully
aware,
and
they
can
always
bring
those
back
to
council
or
to
staff
to
make
sure
that
we're
always
aware
of
the
business
community
community
economy
fortification.
Y
Y
Ideally,
you
want
to
have
a
mixture
of
businesses
that
have
equal
parts,
those
that
thrive
in
up
markets
and
equal
parts,
those
that
thrive
in
down
markets,
because
there
are
examples
of
both
and
making
sure
that
we're
we're
cognizant
of
that
fact,
because
again
that
ensures
a
steady,
tax-based,
Revenue
stream
for
us
as
a
city
and
then
of
course,
quality
of
life.
Quality
of
life
means
a
lot
of
different
things
to
a
lot
of
different
people.
Y
Like
you
know,
I've
got
feeble
mind.
I,
always
like
to
like
to
turn
these
things
into
relatable
kind
of
analogies.
But
if
you
look
at
these
six
steps,
think
about
it
when
you're,
when
you
have
a
job
and
you're
doing
retirement
planning
like
point
one
would
be
how
you
generate
income
points.
Two
through
four
is
how
you
plan
for
retirement.
Y
Five
I.E
tax
revenue
would
be
the
interest
in
the
gains
that
you
make
off
that
retirement
and
then
six
is
you're
enjoying
the
fruits
of
that
labor
right
and
it's
the
same
thing
with
how
we
develop
our
community.
It's
we're
making
sure
that
people
have
the
opportunity
to
have
means,
and
then
how
do
you
want
to
make
sure
that
they
have
that
ability
to
retain
those
means
long
over
a
long
period
of
time
on
the
right
hand,
side
of
the
page,
you
know
just
and
I
know
that
we've
talked
about
this
grow.
Y
A
popular
Vision,
I
know
it's
it's
done
by
the
previous
administration.
I
think,
commissioner.
Velazquez
was
part
of
that
as
well,
but
the
only
reason
why
I
highlight
it
is:
it's
probably
the
most
statistically
relevant
survey
that
we've
done
in
the
city
of
Apopka
in
quite
some
time,
or
at
least
during
my
memory
yeah.
Y
If
we
don't
enact
on
what's
in
it
and
one
of
the
pillars,
that's
first
in
you
know,
front
and
center
is
the
economic
development
pillar,
the
people
that
were
surveyed
within
this
community
that
provided
that
feedback
put
so
much
emphasis
on
economic
development
because
they
knew
what
they
stood
to
achieve
or
to
gain.
If
we
have
this
within
the
city
of
Apopka,.
Y
The
sorry
I'm
hitting
my
cursor
on
my
iPad
and
progressing
so
first,
we
have
to
look
at
what
what
apopka's
current
state
is
and
when
I
asked
you
a
second
ago.
You
know
think
about.
If
we
do
nothing,
here's
examples
of
you
know
kind
of
the
status
quo
and
again
I'm,
not
making
these
comments
to
make
a
political
statement
or
anything
like
that.
These
are
just
facts
on
the
page,
but
we've
got
the
old,
Albertsons
location,
that's
been
dormant
for
10
years
and
and
commissioner
Nesta
I
know
that
you
said
you
had
some
conversations
great.
Y
The
point
being
is
that
if
we
have
Economic
Development
with
sole
focus
on
these
things,
it's
not
a
you've
got
your
day.
Job
you've
got
this
job.
It's
people
that
are
constantly
pounding
that
pavement
constantly.
Following
up
with
these
folks,
the
corner
of
Western
Rock
Springs,
we
did
the
site
planning
approvals
for
that
I
think
nearly
four
years
ago
and
I
could
be
mistaken.
Y
Maybe
it
was
three
but
quite
some
time,
there's
two
pads,
and
these
are
hard
to
even
see
when
you
pass
by
it,
but
on
the
east
side
of
town,
where
we
have
the
Hampton
Inn
and
Holiday
Inn
Express,
there's
two
pads
out
there
that
could
be
perfect
locations
for
Standalone
restaurants.
Have
we
had
those
conversations,
the
city
center?
It's
been
six
years,
there's
no
walkable
amenities.
Yes,
there's
the
hotel,
the
Winn-Dixie
going
in,
but
from
a
walkable
amenity
What
the
residents
were
promised,
hasn't
come
to
fruition,
Station
Street,
District,
No
No
knock
on
applicant.
Y
Y
But
here
we
are
a
couple
years
later
and
it's
just
not
coming
to
fruition.
So
here's
what
we
have
as
a
current
footprint
that
shows
you
what
we're
getting
without
this
purpose-built
Department
that
it's
their
sole
Focus
to
make
sure
that
these
things
come
to
life
and
so
on.
The
next
next
slide.
Y
We've
got
over
6
million
square
feet
of
non-residential
property
approved
sitting
dormant
today
vacant
land
and
that
six
million
square
feet
is
just
the
first
three
squares
that
you
see
there:
the
Floridian
Town
Center
Kelly,
Park
Crossings
and
the
ridge
six
million
square
feet
in
those
three
properties
alone,
not
to
mention
we've
got
various
441
mixed
use,
developments,
Kelly,
Park,
interchange,
Crossing,
mixed
use,
developments
as
well
as
other
commercial
Standalone
properties
that
are
still
in
a
vacant
state,
and
so
you
kind
of
think
to
yourself.
Y
We've
we've
heard
we've
questioned
and
we've
heard
from
applicants
that
stood
at
that
lectern
on
many
occasions
where
we
say.
Oh,
this
is
interesting,
mixed
use.
Who
do
you
have
coming
in
who's,
the
commercial
who's,
the
business
and
a
lot
of
times?
I
would
say
more
often
than
not
it's
and
it's
not
a
knock
on
the
applicant
or
developers.
It's
just.
We
haven't
lined
that
up
yet
because
there
might
be
a
sole
focus
on
the
residential
first
and
then
commercial
after
the
fact,
whatever
the
cause
might
be.
Y
But
I've
heard
in
a
time
seen
on
this
Deus
that
and
quite
honestly,
I've
talked
to
applicants
that
are
behind
some
of
these
large
developments
and
they
seek
that
partnership
with
the
city
and
and
again
all
fairness
to
the
mayor.
Who
does
some
of
this
Economic
Development
on
behalf
of
us
and
thank
you,
but
you've
got
you've,
got
a
city
to
run
and
we're
in
turbulent
times
here
as
evidence
on
the
last
piece
of
business,
and
that
requires
you,
as
the
CEO
of
our
city,
to
put
sole
focus
on
on
addressing
some
of
these.
Y
These
things
that
are
outstanding,
and
so
it
just
frees
up
your
time
into
that
end
too.
This
isn't
a
critique
of
Mr
hit's
role
in
terms
of
Community
Development
I
know
that
he
likes
to
to
do
some
of
the
economic
development
front
too.
But
if
you
just
look
at
his
Department
alone,
he's
got
vacancies.
Y
All
these
pieces
of
property
that
you
see
on
the
page
here
are
thousands
of
dwelling
units
that
will
need
to
be
permitted
inspected.
Issued
certificates
of
occupancy
he's
got
a
huge
workload
within
his
Department
to
be
able
to
handle
the
full
task
of
Economic
Development
solely
so
it's
not
and
not
to
mention.
On
top
of
that,
too,
a
comprehensive
plan
rewrite
or
an
update.
That's
coming
down
the
pike
of
a
city
our
size,
as
well
as
we're
still
awaiting
some
infrastructure,
Master
plans
and
things
there's
a
lot
on
his
plate.
Y
So
on
the
next
page,
it's
really
you
know,
commissioner
Nesta
had
asked
okay.
How
do
we?
How
does
it
pay
for
itself?
What
are
we
getting
and
so
I
I
would
think
it's
the
same
way
that
our
attorney
Mr
Rodriguez
would
say
that
he'll.
Never,
you
know
you
know
commit
to
the
outcome
of
a
case.
You
know
don't
hold
me
to
decimal
place
positions
here,
but
I
think
that
this
is
a
realistic
and
defensible
way
of
looking
at
how
this
could
conceivably
pay
for
itself.
Y
The
first
line
item
narrative,
you
have
is
improved
land
tax
base,
so
that's
six
million
square
feet
that
I
just
showed
you
on
the
previous
slide.
All
of
that
is
vacant
land,
and
so,
when
you
look
and
I
queried,
probably
over
40
businesses
within
the
city
of
Apopka
I
went
out
and
got
their
tax.
Y
Their
tax
bill
or
tax
payment
to
the
city
of
a
puppy
over
the
last
the
last
tax
year,
I
normalized
out
the
top
five
and
the
bottom
five
to
have
a
more
kind
of
pristine,
middle
area
and
I
said:
okay.
Y
Y
Y
It
starts
to
build
this
confidence
that
the
city
is
going
in
the
right
direction
case
in
point,
unsolicited
and
I
know
that
the
mayor
had
put
a
Business
Journal
article
up
here
a
second
ago
before
the
meeting,
but
one
of
the
reporters
from
the
Orlando
Business
Journal
said:
hey
I,
see
this
item
on
the
agenda
tonight.
What's
going
on
with
that?
So
even
talking
about
something
like
this
in
this
forum
drums
up
interest
from
the
larger
business
Community
to
say,
okay,
wait
a
second,
maybe
they're
going
to
start
doing
something
here,
then
I!
Y
Look
at
Secure
Title
like
Secure
Title
sponsorships!
Well,
to
go
back
to
that
point.
So
we
did
a
little
over
20
million
dollars
in
property
value
tax
in
the
last
budget,
Year
from
property
taxes.
So
even
a
one
percent
bump
related
to
some
of
these
movements
in
terms
of
Economic
Development,
would
equate
to
about
two
hundred
thousand
dollars
and
again
that's
without
raising
the
tax
rate.
That's
natural
attrition,
not
attrition
appreciation
for
the
values
of
your
Home.
Y
Through
through
this
program,
Secure
Title
sponsors
again
the
symphony
concerts,
the
pop
concerts
that
we
have
every
Christmas
is
a
wonderful
event,
always
well
attended.
It's
premiere,
and
this
is
not
a
knock
on
Radley
or
Mr
Williams.
It's
it's
to
say
that
this
is
a
shared
service.
It's
to
make
other
departments
succeed
as
well.
Y
I
think
it
would
be
very
easy
for
us
to
get
a
concert
sponsorship
and
that's
almost
70
when
we
factor
in
two
concerts
per
year,
it's
almost
seventy
thousand
dollars
worth
of
expense,
that
the
city
is
completely
footing
the
bill
on
right
now,
there's
camp
wheel
on
other
event
opportunities
there.
You
know
we
could
explore
naming
rights
for
campaign.
Y
You
know
from
a
resident
perspective,
quantifying
the
benefit
to
having
some
of
these
things
closer
to
home.
Think
about
how
much
gas
and
tolls
you
spend
going
outside
of
our
city
that,
if
normally
it
would
have
that
particular
item
within
our
city.
You
know:
I
looked
at
the
map
from
City
Hall
to
plant
Street,
it's
a
little
over
10
miles
from
City
Hall
up
to
Mount
Dora,
it's
a
little
over
13
miles.
If
you
go
to
Altamonte
it's
about
eight
miles,
when
you
do
a
round
trip,
it's
a
gallon
of
gas.
Y
F
Y
Mention
any
tolls
that
you
pay
if
you're
going
over
to
Winter
Garden,
so
there's
hard
savings
that
residents
can
have
through
the
the
benefits
of
Economic
Development,
a
mature
Economic,
Development
practice
and
then
obviously
the
the
more
time
close
to
home
due
to
short
trip
durations
again,
if
I
know
my
girls
like
to
go
to
Target
right,
so
that's
a
commitment
of
time
just
go
to
Target
it
right.
So
there's.
Y
Think
from
a
hard
charge
or
a
hard
dollar
perspective,
I
think
I
can
pretty
much
prove
that
you
know
getting.
This
done
will
put
that
money
back
in
the
coffers
and
pay
for
this
pay
for
itself.
But
the
point
being,
is
you
know,
yeah
I'm,
suggesting
that
this
year
is
paid
for
next
year.
We
should
feel
comfortable
with
these
numbers
to
pay
for
the
Opex
that
becomes
on
the
general
fund
that
you're
after,
but
this
isn't
a
encumbering
of
millions
of
dollars
over
20
years.
Y
P
P
F
Y
Y
It's
really
about
a
sustainable,
resilient
and
fun
of
popular
sustainable,
in
the
sense
that
you
know
this
person
with
liaise
very
frequently,
promote
developer
projects
that
ensure
infrastructure
and
environment
sustainability,
like
I,
said
on
the
benefit
slide
with
the
Orlando.
Economic
partnership
is
fine
businesses
that
will
stand
the
test
of
time
and
serve
the
best
interests
of
Apopka.
Y
The
resilient
Apopka
is
more
about.
You
know,
creating
opportunities
for
our
residents
in
terms
of
job
perspectives
and
making
sure
that
that
tax
base
is
consistent
year
over
year
and
then
what
residents
really
want
is
a
funnel
pocket,
attract
quality
of
life,
amenities
that
make
a
popular
destination
for
our
residents
and
what
I.
Y
Know
a
nice
meal
to
celebrate
a
family
success,
a
date
night
on
the
town,
special
events,
big
and
small,
building
critical
mass
to
ensure
success
across
all
of
our
popular
businesses,
because
you
know
to
go
back
to
that
slide
around
restaurants.
I,
don't
see
those
restaurants
seeing
Economic
Development
as
competition
that
they'll
lose.
It's
hey.
More
people
will
be
in
here
and
I'm
going
to
catch
some
of
that
that
kind
of
ride-along
business
as
they
come
into
our
city,
so
I,
don't
know
if
I
kept
it
to
15
minutes.
Y
Hopefully,
I
I
probably
did
not,
but
I
just
think
that
this
is
really
important
and
it's
an
investment
that
makes
it's
not
one
person
suggesting
and
they
get
the
win.
It's
we.
F
Y
Here
we.
Y
I,
don't
see
how
the
development
Community
or
our
residents
would
attack
us
for
us
needlessly
spending
tax
dollars
on
this
initiative,
because
every
dollar
that
we
can
secure
or
procure
through
this
economic
development
is
just
alleviating
a
disproportionate
tax
burden
that
our
residents
pay,
where
these
businesses
can
offset
it
and
so
I
think
it's
all
a
benefit
to
our
taxpayers.
Our
city,
our
long-term
success,
our
relevancy
and
I'll
end
on
kind
of
a
little.
Y
You
know
back
when
I
first
ran
for
office
I,
we
were
doing
the
the
interviews
to
get
endorsed
by
the
Orlando
regional
Realtors
Association
and
as
I
was
waiting
because
commissioner
Aerosmith
got.
You
know
the
first
round,
because
you
know
his
seniority
I
get
that,
but
I
was
waiting
in
the
lobby
and
they
have
their
book
that
they
give
to
people
right
and
you're,
thumbing
through
the
book,
and
you.
Y
Highlighting
the
neighborhoods
in
Orlando,
it's
highlighting
Winter
Park,
it's
highlighting
Winter,
Garden
and
they're
like
well
heck,
where's,
where's,
Apopka
Paco
wasn't
in
there,
and
so
it's
always
been
my
mission
to
make
apoca
relevant
in
that
sense.
I,
like
the
mayor
a
few
months
back,
highlighted
the
fact
that
Noddy
Lobster
I
think
won
second
or
third
place
in
their
Orlando
Business
Journal
or
whatever
Orlando
Weekly,
one
of
the
Publications
talking
about
how
they
were
the
third
best
seafood
restaurant
in
town
great.
Y
But
then
you
start
looking
at
that
those
surveys
and
it's
like
a
whole
bunch
of
oh
here's,
the
best
restaurants
in
Winter
Garden,
here's
the
best
restaurants
in
Winter,
Park,
then
you're
starting
to
think
okay,
what's
the
best
restaurant
in
a
popular,
what's
the
best
Pub
in
Apopka.
So
it's
that
type
of
relevancy
and
just
kind
of
proud
nature
of
us
as
residents
that
I
think
this
position
could
serve
our
residents
very,
very
well.
Y
That's
that's
my
presentation,
I
just
think
that
you
know
from
a
setting
up
of
a
department
when
our
within
our
budget,
the
creation
of
that
role
and
funding
it
with
money
that
we
already
have
in
our
in
our
budget.
That's
currently
unallocated
and
for
that
purpose,
I
think,
is
a
pretty
reasonable
ask
for
us
all
to
feel
that
it
gets
us
on
a
right
trajectory.
D
Mr
Velasquez
well,
I
know.
This
is
something
that
commissioner
Becca
has
been
kind
of
working
on,
not
just
recently
but
I
know
for
years,
and
I
do
agree
that
we
do
need
someone
something
that
will
just
concentrate
on
how
we
are
going,
how
we
want
to
grow.
D
It
I
think
I
made
a
statement
not
too
long
ago,
where
I
said
we're
kind
of
building
here
we're
building
there.
We
got
mixed
use
here.
D
We've
got
warehouses
there,
but
we're
not
getting
any
businesses,
and
you
are
right-
I
mean
we've:
we've
approved
warehouses,
mixed
users
and
every
time
we
ask
for
what
are
you
bringing
with
it
and
they're
like
no
we're
just
going
to
build
it,
and
we
have
to
figure
out
what
we're
going
to
put
in
there
afterwards
and
of
course,
our
City
downtown
has
really
kind
of
been
stagnated
and
I've
been
here
before
Kyle,
and
when
we
did
that
vision,
2025
I
remember
going
around
the
entire
city
different
neighborhoods,
we
didn't
just
start,
we
didn't
just
do
the
survey
in
one
place,
I
mean
we
literally
went
to
people
and
communities
and
I
think
weeks
on
end
and
people
were
really
excited
about
how
we
were
going
to
Brand
our
Apopka
and
how
we
were
going
to
grow
our
Puck
and
then
it
kind
of
got
shelved,
and
that's
where
it's
been.
D
D
The
time
frame
that
it
took
for
them
to
grow
their
city-
and
one
thing
you
did
say
was
the
6000:
was
it
six
thousand
six
six
million
they're,
just
empty
lots
and
I
I
could
remember
and
I'm
gonna
use
this
example
a
few
years
ago,
when
self-help
Bank
wanted
to
come
in
here
and
they
wanted,
they
were
looking
for
a
standalone
building
to
kind
of
just
purchase
and
put
a
bank
in
and
I.
D
Remember
we
drove
through
the
entire
city
and
there
was
nothing
for
them,
and
then
they
were
looking
at
different
parcels
and
some
parcels
were
millions
of
dollars.
Others
there
was
was
completely
out
of
their
reach
and
where
they're
sitting
at
right
now
was
a
parcel
owned
by
a
private
person
who
actually
sold
them.
That
Parson,
if
I'm,
not
mistaken,
for
three
hundred
thousand
dollars,
but
then
self-help
had
to
create
the
Standalone
building.
D
So
that
was
a
success
because
they
were,
they
really
wanted
to
be
in
the
city
of
Apopka
and
serve
our
community
because
they
had
a
community
to
serve.
But
what
I'm
seeing
in
my
time
frame
here
is
that
everyone
is
taking
advantage
of
the
fact
that
we
have
so
much
open
space.
We
have
so
much
property
and
Parcels
they're
buying
them,
and
then
it's
not
being
developed
right
away,
they're
planning,
but
it's
all
residential.
It's
like
I
feel
like
we're.
D
Just
becoming
a
bedroom
community
I
mean
I,
see
the
mixed
uses,
but
I'm
not
seeing
the
businesses
come
I'm,
seeing
more
residents
coming
into
the
city.
So
at
this
point
I
mean
this
is
It's
a
a
wonderful
presentation.
You've
given
me
a
lot
of
information,
I
know
that
this
has
been
something
that
has
been
a
passion
for.
You
I
believe
that
an
economic
director
would
help
our
community
director,
because
you're
right
I
mean
you
just
outlined
all
the
responsibilities
that
James
hit
has
and
you're
correct.
D
Our
Maya
does
go
out
and
he
does
try
to
encourage.
You
know
developers
to
come
in
and
businesses
to
come
in,
but
it's
it's
like
we're.
Not
we
don't
have
someone.
That's
just
going
out
there
to
to
Really
brand
our
city
that.
Y
AC
Y
And
there's
a
multitude
of
reasons
why
commercials
could
sit
on
it
for
a
period
of
time,
but
that
that's
the
whole
kind
of
gist
of
me.
Introducing
this
Economic
Development
position
is
to
make
sure
that
those
things
don't
sit
dormant
for
long
periods
of
time,
because,
again,
if
we've
aren't,
if
we've
done
the
approval
of
these
projects,
okay,
that
that
part
of
business
is
done,
you
know,
but
we're
going
to
need
things
to
be
built
on
this
property
for
us
to
do
the
infrastructure
upgrades
that
are
going
to
be
required
long
term.
Y
So
we
have
that
that
Tech
space
that's
coming
in
to
help
us
offset
some
of
our
general
fund
expenditures
to
make
sure
that
we
provide
the
infrastructure
and
services
to
service
those
mixed
use,
both
residents
and
the
people
that
patronize
those
businesses
so
I.
Do
you
know
what
you
just
described
as
concerns
I
think
is
being
a
direct
responsibility
for
this
particular
position.
Y
B
Well,
when
I
was
elected
in
2018
for
about
two
months,
I
took
that
booklet
Vision
in
2025
and
I
I,
read
the
booklet
thoroughly
and
saw
all
of
the
plans
that
that
committee
had
suggested.
That
would
make
Apopka
a
great
place
to
live
and
Not
only
was
it
about
economic
development,
but
also
the
annexation
of
soccer.
Popcorns
are
part
of
that
project,
as
well
as
something
that
needs
to
be
done
and
I
don't
have
a
problem
with
the
economic
development
director.
I.
B
Just
don't
feel
that
we're
ready
for
a
full-time
position
at
this
time
and
I
say
that
as
I
attend
the
Florida
Legal
cities,
meetings
and
I
talk
to
other
Commissioners
and
other
Economic
Development
directors
from
other
cities.
They
didn't
start
with
the
economic
development
for
full-time.
Initially,
they
start
with
the
person,
part-time
and,
and
even
one
city
said
that
that
person
reported
directly
to
the
mayor
on
a
part-time
position
and
then,
as
their
city
grew
and
it
developed.
B
Then
they've
developed
a
full-time
position,
then
developed
a
department
because
that
person
would
need
support
staff
as
well,
and
so
I
I
feel
that
a
part-time
economic
director
would
be
something
that
would
be
beneficial
to
our
city
and
a
lot
of
things
that
you
mentioned
in
your
presentation,
I
feel
are
happening
and
I've
talked
to
businesses
as
well
about
coming
to
Papa,
because
I
feel
that
that's
all
of
our
responsibility
and
some
of
them
is
because
they
say
well,
you
know
you
need
some
more
rooftops
or
you
have
a
good
dinner
crowd,
but
you
don't
have
a
good
lunch
crowd,
and
so
there
are
various
reasons
and
and
they're
waiting
for
that
to
take
place.
B
And
so
we
we
can't
force
anybody
to
come.
But
we
need
to
provide
that
opportunity
and
I
just
don't
think
that
having
a
full-time
directed
at
this
time
will
be
ideal
and
then
I'm
also
concerned
about
using
non-recurring
funds
in
order
to
fund
a
position
in
the
middle
of
a
budget
year,
we'll
probably
four
months
away
from
starting
to
start
talking
about
the
budget
year
for
the
upcoming
year.
B
B
So
that's
something
that
we've
got
to
consider
in
this
upcoming
budget
as
well,
and
not
only
the
positions
that
we
promised
them,
but,
as
I
said
it
grow,
they
they've
indicated
that
we're
going
to
need
additional
firefighters.
You
know,
above
what
we
talk
about,
and
police
I'm
going
to
leave
them
out.
So
I
just
think
that
we
need
to
look
at
in
the
upcoming
budget
year
how
we
can
fund
a
part-time
position.
Y
And
I'll
just
want
to
address
some
of
the
concerns,
so
yeah
and
I
can
appreciate
the
full-time
versus
part-time
I
would
just
argue
that
we
have
full-time
need,
and
so,
if
we
have
full-time
need,
I
think
we
need
to
have
a
full-time
position
and
I
I
agree
on
the
on
the
on
the
visioning
document
too,
like
there's
a
lot
of
stuff
in
there.
That
needs
to
be
considered
for
sure,
but
the
funds
from
a
funding
perspective.
Y
Again,
we've
got
200
000
that
are
unallocated
from
those
slf
RF
funds
to
be
able
to
fund
and
start
this.
This
department,
this
budget
year
without
adversely
impacting
other
Revenue
sources
or
impacting
other
departments.
But
my
my
argument
is:
is
that
on
a
go
forward
basis
and
what
I
was
trying
to
articulate
in
the
pro
forma
there
is
that
you
know
I
I
think
you
can
easily
map
back
to
how
you
get
at
least
two
hundred
thousand
dollars
worth
of
benefit
from
increasing
and
accelerating
these
commercial
developments
through
sound
Economic,
Development
principles
and
I.
Y
Think
that
then
goes
to
help
offset
some
of
the
burden
within
our
our
service
department.
So
firefighters,
police,
public
services
and
Fleet
and
Facilities
that
this
increased
tax
base
goes
to
help
alleviate
and
fund
some
of
those
things
as
well.
So
again,
I
just
I
can
appreciate
you,
you
kind
of
behind
the
idea
that
this
is
something
that
we
should
have.
I
just
would
argue
that
we
have
the
funding
for
this
year.
I
think
we
should
start
getting
the
organization
in
place
from
a
full-time
perspective.
Y
A
director
level
position
is
kind
of
multi-benefited,
but
I
would
think
the
best
benefit.
Is
you
get
someone
who
has
that
skill
set
that
comes
in
here
and
then
works
with
this
Council
to
say
here's
how
I
need
to
be
built
out
long
term?
Here's
how
I
want
to
create
my
team,
here's
what
I'm
going
to
need,
but
for
us
to
do
the
seed
funding.
Now
and
again,
it's
not
too
much
of
a
stretch
to
say,
like
I
was
saying
before
we're,
not
encumbrating
ourselves
for
multiple
multiple
years.
Y
B
I
just
see
that
you
know
part-time
director
and
we
had
allocated
those
funds
at
one
point,
but
we
withdrew
those
two
allocations
and
said:
let's
hold
off
and
see
what
things
are
going
to
look
like
and
and
now
I've
suggested
more
than
once
that
our
911
operators
are
very
critical
to
us
and
I
still
don't
know
if
the
governor
has
decided
to
give
them
that
thousand
dollars
or
not,
and
so
I
think
those
29
30
individuals
that
in
that
position
they
deserve
to
have
that
bonus,
and
that's
one
of
the
things
that
I
would
like
to
make
sure
that
that
happens.
B
If
the
governor
doesn't
do
it
himself
and
so
I
just
see
that
there's
a
part-time
need
at
this
point
and
and
then
I
don't
and
also
that
we're
not
going
to
accelerate
that
development
that
fast
within
this
upcoming
budget
year,
the
all
the
funding
that
you're
indicating
is
going
to
be
available.
Come
this
next
budget
cycle.
Y
We
were
told
a
year
and
a
half
ago
that
that
development
was
going
to
be
done
in
q1
of
last
year
we
kind
of
threw
mulch
with
shovels
indicating
as
such
and
nothing
has
come
to
fruition,
and
so
you
start
to
think
to
yourself.
What
could
we
have
done
differently?
Y
B
B
To
come
to
to
Apopka,
but
he
said
the
the
workforce
wasn't
even
available
to
support
that
I'm,
a
die-hard
for
Cracker,
Barrel,
yeah
and
and
I've
been
trying
to
get
a
franchise
myself.
B
Well,
it's
not
that's
a
problem
everywhere.
I
mean
if
you're
going
to
a
restaurant
lately,
you
know
you
got
to
wait.
45
minutes
and
not
necessarily
because
the
restaurant
is
full
is
because
their
Workforce
is
not
there,
and
so
all
of
our
establishments
are
having
that
same
problem.
So
it's
not
like
you
know,
he's
going
to
just
magically,
go
out
and
find
bodies
to
put
in
a.
Y
Place
of
business,
and
that's
what
my
my
point
being
is
that
the
part
of
the
role
Charter
of
this
position
is
to
seek
out
those
things.
I
mean
because
at
case
in
point,
we
haven't
leveraged
this
much
in
the
poppy
at
all.
I
think
we
did
with
corvo
in
terms
of
incentives,
part
of
what
economic
developers
do
is
say,
hey
what
what
is
the
council
comfortable
with
in
terms
of
incentives
to
incentivize
people
to
come
here,
because
sometimes
that's
what
it's
going
to
take?
Y
And
so,
but
if
no
one's
really
kind
of
sitting
there
and
thinking
about
those
things
on
a
day
in
and
day
out
basis,
it's
just
going
to
be
kind
of
one
of
these
lands
in
your
lap
and
yeah
to
your
point.
If
no
one's
thinking
about
it
full
time,
it's
just
not
going
to
come
to
fruition
as
quickly
as
we
think,
and
so
that
might
deviate
from
you
know
the
expectation,
okay.
I
You
quick
question
just
for
staff:
when
do
our
covid
funds
need
to
be
spent
by
yeah.
I
Y
To
be
quite
honest,
with
I
wanted
to
have
a
director
level
position
that
we
felt
comfortable
and
so
I
want
to
be
able
to
ratify
that
position
and
I
think
that
role
would
then
work
with
this
Council
to
make
sure
that,
because
again,
what
I
didn't
have
in
that
presentation
is
very
enumerated.
Success
measures
that
you
had
talked
about
before,
because
I
can't
operate
in
a
vacuum
there.
Y
That
has
to
be
something
that
we,
as
a
council
kind
of
worked
collectively
with
that
director
head
or
that
department
head
to
to
come
up
with
those
things
I
mean.
Obviously
you
have
a
you
have
a
point
of
view
about
what
the
the
framework
of
that
position
is,
but
success
measures
as
it
relates
to
a
popular
because
again,
Apopka
is
not
broad
brush.
You
know
you
could
have
success
measures
for
our
downtown
area,
our
Southern
area,
our
Hospital,
our
Kelly
Park
crossing
the
Floridian
Town
Center
area.
Y
You
could
have
it's
it's
very
unique
as
these
new
pockets
of
uniqueness
pop
up
within
within
Apopka.
So
that's
where
I
would
be
hey.
You
get
the
position
in
place.
Their
director
level
they've
got
that
seniority
to
come
to
council
and
say
hey,
let's
work
together.
Let's,
let's
get
this
mapped
out
from
a
overall
strategy.
I
Okay,
the.
I
Y
Got
to
have
a
very
sales
and
marketing
ish
approach
to
the
position.
You've
got
to
be
able
to
have
a
person
who
can
Network
effectively
because
it's
not
about
going
and
seeking
out
the
businesses
that
already
have
the
for
sale
sign
in
their
yard
to
try
and
get
people
to
fill
it
in.
Y
It's
it's
knowing
the
pieces
of
property
that
are
attracted
that
people
haven't
even
thought
about
selling,
yet
to
a
potential
person
that
could
really
benefit
our
city
and
then
two
that
has
the
Acumen
to
deal
with
some
of
our
development
Community
to
say:
hey,
I,
I
know
you're
thinking
of
you're,
potentially
building
spec.
You
know,
I've
got
a
the
backlog
of
these
types
of
businesses.
That
might
be
good
for
your
particular
project.
Y
So
it's
it's!
It's
a
very
proactive
person.
I
would
Envision
this
role,
hardly
spending
any
time
in
the
city
hall,
Wells
they're
out
and
about
in
our
community
external
to
our
community,
even
more
importantly,
because
it's
about
getting
those
businesses
to
come
here
so
that
that
would
be
my
emphasis
and
then
obviously
knowing
their
way
around
grant
funding
funding
sources.
The
you
know,
government
policy,
you
know
State
statutes
things
like
that.
Y
You
could
but
I've
always
it's
I've
always
had
the
mindset
that,
when
you
contract
with
people,
do
they
really
take
a
hard
stake
in
what
they're
doing
for
our
city,
because
when
you
contract
you're
here
potentially
for
a
finite
period
of
time,
in
a
role
like
this
you've
got
to
live
and
breathe.
This
has
to
be
your
heartbeat
day
in
and
day
out,
because
this
this
is
not
going
to
work.
If
you
don't
have
the
right
person
in
the
job.
I
Well
and
then
sorry
to
cut
you
off
there,
but
that
was
something
I
wrote
down
is
is
basically
it's
being
in
sales,
especially
in
real
estate
sales.
Is
that
it
it's
going
to
come
down
to
a
numbers
game.
So
what
you
spoke
about,
the
the
Albertsons
of
vacant
Albertsons
is,
it
was
just
I,
cold
call
the
owner
and
just
hey
can.
Can
we
just
discuss
what
that
what's
going
on
with
that
property?
What
does
it
look
like?
Yes,
you're
already
you're
still
collecting
rent.
I
What
can
I
do
to
incentivize
to
at
least
bring
somebody
else
in
that
would
help
us.
You
don't
have
to
change
anything,
but
it
would
help
our
community
to
help
our
residents
have
more
options.
Things
like
that,
so
I
was
able
to
at
least
get
get
them
in
that
capacity.
But
at
the
same
time,
to
your
point,
I
I
have
limited
time
to
do
that.
I
I
Y
I
think
acceleration
of
getting
vertical
structure
again
increases
the
tax
base
within
our
city
and
that's
more
tax
monies
that
are
coming
in
for
those
purposes
now
with
golden
gem,
you
know
obviously
I
don't
know,
commissioner
Moore
contact
everybody.
Yes,.
Y
Know
again,
that
could
be
another
case
in
point,
I
mean
Ms.
Richmond
has
a
whole
bunch
on
her
plate.
You
know
some
of
this
intergovernmental
interaction,
too,
is
something
that
Economic
Development
can
have
in
their
mandate,
because
you
know
at
the
end
of
the
day,
through
advocacy
from
our
residents
and
through
our
persistence.
You
know
they
joint
persistence
with
commissioner
Moore
and
ourselves.
You
know
they've
agreed
to
a
significant
portion
of
funding,
but
then
it
becomes
too
is
okay.
Y
Do
we
take
that
money
right
now
and
just
do
the
initial
Band-Aid
fix
right,
or
do
we
parlay
that
into
a
larger
strategy
to
say?
Okay,
here's
our
long-term
thing,
but
an
economic
development
director
will
have
a
heartbeat
of
the
pacing
of
those
businesses
because
a
lot
of
time,
we're
hamstrung
here
to
say:
okay,
yeah.
It's
part
of
the
plan
that
we're
going
to
do
this
road
Improvement,
but
the
timing
and
pacing
of
vertical
structure
going
on
that
then
causes
an
an
increase
in
our
tax
base
to
be
able
to
pay
for
that
stuff.
Y
That's
where
you
know
a
lot
of
times.
We
don't
have
a
good
feel
for
that.
Pacing
and
so
I
think
economic
development
director
would
have
that
pulse,
to
be
able
to
give
better
insight
and
say:
oh
yeah,
so,
and
so
is
coming
in
they're
excited
they're
going
to
be.
You
know,
after
the
developers
done
building
they're
going
to
be
on
premise.
For
whatever
you
know,
it's
it's
those
types
of
interactions,
I
think
would
be
beneficial.
I
And
so
I
did
I
I've
been
in
good
contact
with
Mount
Doris.
A
similar
Department
I
have
a
meeting
with
Samford
next
week.
Actually
so
so
I've
been
outreaching,
just
kind
of
understanding
and
my
how
I
would
see
this
role,
because
I
I
do
think
it's
absolutely
needed
and
a
value-add,
but
I
want
to
create
success
for
it.
I
don't
want
to
put
undo
burden
on
it
to
where
in
a
year
they
burn
out-
and
they
say
you
guys
just
put
insane
expectations
on
us,
so
I
don't
want.
I
There
are
some
of
these
roles
that
that
are
kind
of
more
of
a
concierge
and
I
I
see
it,
although
concierge
it's
nice
to
do
that.
I
want
to
see
more
in
Outreach
and
I.
Think
that's
what
I'm
hearing
I
just
want
to
kind
of
confirm
that
it's
more
of
it's
not
just
calling
in
and
saying,
hey,
I
need
whatever
it
may
be.
I
need
the
sidewalk
in
front
of
my
shop
to
be
fixed.
I
want
them
to
be
outreaching.
I
just
want
to
confirm
that
that's
the.
Y
It's
like
okay,
he's
focusing
on
making
sure
the
ball
fields
are
up
to
Snuff.
You
know
yeah,
you
do
some
event,
programming
and
stuff
like
that,
but
a
role
like
this
could
then
say.
Okay,
let
me
go
help
my
corporates
off
and
say
you
know
their
sponsorship
opportunities
if
I
want
to
go,
bring
some
events
here
within
the
city
of
Papa,
so
he
can
do
his
core
function
same
thing
with
Mr
hit.
I.
Think
his
core
function
is
what
I
described
earlier.
Y
Y
Y
I
I
think
some
of
that
ownership
is
on
us
too
to
be
because
we
have
to
direct
this
and
that's
I
guess
in
the
net.
That
leaves
me
kind
of
my
final
point
or
question
is
just
I
want
to
make
sure
we
have
very
specific
but
achievable
kpis.
That
were
that,
if
we
are
going
to
instill
this,
then
in
a
year
or
two
years,
if
we're
gonna
and
then
almost
have
a
Time
Horizon.
Okay.
I
Y
That
was,
that
would
be
the
plan.
That's
why
I'm
saying
what
I'm
asking
for
I
was
wanting
to
ask
for
for
this
evening
was
the
three
that
I
talked
about,
but
then
you'll
notice
that
third
bit
when
I
was
talking
about
before
on.
The
second
slide,
is,
you
know,
create
that
long-term
execution
strategy
execution
strategy
would
have
the
success
measures,
how
we
gauge
success
on
this
spend.
Y
Y
Y
Y
Yeah,
my
my
if
I
was
making
a
motion
which
I
will
certainly
do,
that
is,
would
be
to
create
an
economic
development
department
from
a
budgetary
perspective.
Again,
that's
a
container
within
our
you
know:
Financial
software
economic
development,
director
role
that
would
be
within
that
department
and
then
the
200
000
that
we
have
in
the
slf
RF
funds
would
be
allocated
to
that
department
and
Mr
Rodriguez
Fair
the
two
pieces
that
I
did
not
address.
I
A
W
W
It
was
doing
the
mail
debate
and
I
think
one
of
the
questions
came
up
and
commissioner
Becca
brung
up
this
position
that
he
thought
would
push
to
City
forward
and
I.
Think
at
the
time
mayor
Nelson
said
we
didn't
need
one
man,
Nelson's
and
I.
He
said
if
I
can
remember
right.
He
said
what
we
need
is
a
strong
man,
someone
to
walk
up
to
people
to
bring
them
into
Apopka
with
a
firm
handshake.
B
Well,
to
answer
your
question:
there
have
been
businesses
that
have
come
to
Apopka
as
a
result
of
that
strong
handshake
and
I'm,
not
saying
that
we
don't
need
an
economic
development
director.
B
W
Sir
and
I
I
can
appreciate
that
commissioner,
just
like
I
think
Mr
Nessa
was
just
trying
to
inquire
into
it.
W
I,
don't
believe
that
if
you
put
out
for
a
job
for
a
dentist
to
pull
teeth,
that
you
would
interview
veterinarian
that
put
shoes
on
a
horse,
I'm
thinking
that,
if
you're
going
to
put
out
for
this
position,
I'm
thinking
that
when
you
interview
these
people,
you're
interviewed
these
people
with
these
qualifications
that
come
with
a
resume
and
I
believe
that
the
city
of
Apopka
is
sober
far
behind
in
Winter
Garden,
Okoye
Altamonte,
we're
so
far
behind.
We
don't
need
a
part-time
nothing.
We
need
a
full-time
everything.
G
Roger's
Beckett
Rogers
back
at
seven
West
Main
Street
I'm,
just
happy
that
at
least
we're
having
this
conversation,
because
I
knew
I
started.
G
Hearing
Apopka
in
2006
and
I
vividly
remember
doing
the
cdbg
Grant
and
one
of
the
questions
they
asked
was:
do
you
guys
have
an
economic
development
plan
and
they
use
that
as
far
as
the
score
bacteria
for
that
particular
Grant,
and
at
that
time
we
did
it,
and
we
hadn't
really
thought
about
this
until
now,
Cal
is
bringing
this
up,
but
I
think
it's
really
time
for
us
to
look
at
this
in
a
progressive
manner.
G
So
you
we've,
we've
came
through
covet
and
covet
has
changed
the
United
States
map
you've
had
businesses
leave
California
go
to
Texas
Tennessee
Florida,
we've
been
a
another
entry.
That's
received
a
lot
of
people,
I
was
just
at
a
conference
yesterday
for
investors.
You
have
75
million
people
coming
into
Orange
County
airport
every
single
year.
How
many
of
those
are
we
catching?
How
are
we
attract
them
to
our
area?
You're
having
roughly
1500
people
come
to
the
state
I
believe
every
day
or
this
County
every?
G
So
what
are
we
doing
to
get
people
in
our
area
other
than
just
coming
here
to
live
and
things
that
nature
to
have
that
sustainable
economy
like
we're?
Looking
for
so
it's
not
like
it's
I,
don't
think
it's
a
big
ask
but
I
think
we're
being
short-sighted
in
some
of
the
things
we're
looking
at
and
I
and
I'll
take
that,
for
example,
myself
right,
I'm,
a
business
owner,
and
they
always
tell
you,
you
don't
want
to
work
in
your
business.
You
want
to
work
on
your
business
and
you
need
someone
that
can
do
that.
G
That
could
be
the
secondary
odds
that
you
guys
don't
see
because
Mary
you
have
a
job
to
do.
Commission
have
a
job
do
but
have
someone
that's
accountable,
because
that's
one
thing
we're
missing
somebody
that's
accountable
to
do
what
it
is
that
you
and
Sanford,
and
do
you've
already
put
these
plans
together.
It's
not
difficult,
but
someone
that
you
can
point
to
and
have
the
discussion.
Jim
does
a
great
job,
but
let's
be
real.
Jim
has
three
people
in
his
Department
and
we're
dealing
with
plans
that
coming
in
and
I'm
sorry
for
the
people.
G
That's
here
tonight
that
still
need
their
plans
to
be
approved,
whatever
the
case
may
be,
but
you
need
to
start
looking
future
tense.
You
say
it's
57
000
people,
but
I
think
by
the
projection
about
what
2030,
roughly
about
80,
to
100
000
people
in
this
area.
So
are
we
really
looking
at
future
tense?
Are
we
so
focused
on
my
new
issues
or
what
a
person
might
do
give
this
opportunity,
but
you
can't
close
your
eyes
everything,
because
there
again
I
was
first
started
in
2006.
It's
2023.
G
we're
just
now
having
a
true
discussion
about
this
matter
and
I'm.
Quite
sure
we
have
a
lot
to
offer,
but
has
it
been
uncovered
right?
We
have
we
covered
Springs.
We
have
Rock
Springs.
We
have
all
these
things,
but
who's
really
promoting
I
know
there
was
something
brought
to
us
doing
their
mayor
election
about
promoting
apocalypse.
I
think
it
was
the
chamber
but
who's
actively
doing
that
who's
searching
out
these
companies,
that's
looking
to
move
who's,
making
apoca
a
little
bit
more
unique
than
the
other
people
who's.
G
Looking
at
the
facilities
that
we
do
have
how
how
we!
Why
are
we
not
taking
advantage
of
the
bike
trail
that
comes
through
Apopka?
We
caught
I
mean
Winter.
Garden
did
a
great
job
with
that.
So
it's
looking
at
the
minute
things
that
has
taken
place
and
just
having
someone
that
you
can
call
on
and
have
a
discussion,
I,
don't
think
it's
as
much
of
an
ass.
G
You
know
it's
200
Grand,
that's
nothing!
Just
be
real.
That's
just
nothing
but
I
just
think
it's!
It's
short-sighted
to
get
so
detailed,
just
give
it
an
opportunity,
but
it
gives
the
council
ability
to
bring
that
person
to
task
and
say
you
need
to
respond
for.
Why
you're
not
doing
your
job,
because,
like
we
keep
talking
about
the
Town
Center
I
was
here
2006
when
that
discussion
started
happening
and
it
still
ain't
came
through,
we
got
a
you
know
a
hotel
down
there
and
I
believe
the
other
things
there.
G
G
V
Again,
Sylvester
Hall
3091,
Rolling,
Hills
Lane,
it's
been
a
long
night,
it's
actually
midnight,
but
one
of
the
things
I
said
at
the
last
city
council
meeting
I
said:
I
was
tired
of
being
a
coward.
V
V
First
of
all,
commissioner
Becker
I
miss
most
of
your
presentation,
but
your
presentation
is
not
the
problem.
Everybody's
sitting
in
this
room
know
we
need
Economic
Development
board.
V
The
problem
is
leadership
and
Division
for
apocry.
Now,
I
watched
the
whole
last
year
evaluating
things
sitting
back.
The
city
of
Pop
could
move
by
one
man,
that's
the
mirror
when
I
first
started.
One
year
ago,
I
came
to
my
first
city
council
meeting,
but
not
my
first,
but
starting
last
year,
when
I
started
diligently
coming,
I
came
up
to
the
mirror
and
I
said
mayor
I'm
back
and
in
his
words
and
I
quote:
Oh.
No,
that's
bad
news!
V
Well,
how
come
a
veteran
coming
back
a
father
a
37
years,
I'm
gonna,
say
a
husband
of
37
years,
Father's
own
two
business.
How
could
that
be
bad
news,
because
Samara
know
the
history
that
we
have
together?
He
know
my
heart,
he
know
what
I
bring
to
the
table.
I
wear
my
heart,
I
treat
people
fairly
and
I
want
to
see
things
done
fairly
in
the
community.
V
I,
don't
know
that
if
I
might
show
my
age,
but
you
know
that
back
in
the
days
coming
up
with
my
kids,
there
was
a
show
called
on
a
burning,
the
purple
dinosaur.
We
all
close
our
eyes
and
we
imagine
well,
if
you
close,
your
eyes
now,
might
go
to
sleep,
but
if
you
close
your
eyes
now
and
you
vision
the
city
of
Apopka
back
in
1980.,
what
did
downtown
look
like
now?
You
open
your
eyes
and
you
look
in
this
2023.
V
What
do
downtown
look
like
that
comes
from
the
vision
of
leadership,
and
if
you
don't
have
a
vision,
the
people
will
perish
and
that's
what
you're
seeing
in
Apocalypse
things
are
being
done,
but
there's
no
thank
to
a
dedicated
Vision.
It's
just
by
time,
commissioner
Alexander
now
is
the
time
we
don't
need
a
part-time.
Anything
now
is
the
time.
Thank
you.
AA
T
T
We
need
developers
to
be
enticed
here
who
have
integrity,
not
so
not
people
who
are
going
to
promises
one
thing
and
give
it
another.
I
would
also
like
to
see
the
economic
development
director
deal
with
controlled
development,
not
on
controlled
development,
and
that's
all
I
have
to
say
on
the
matter.
Thank
you.
A
Anybody
else,
okay,
I
guess
I-
will
start
out.
I
said
I,
don't
want
to
get
into
the
policy
of
the
of
the
the
PowerPoint
here.
I
want
to
talk,
I
guess
a
little
bit
about
process
and
we
talk
about
process.
We
talk
about
a
new
Department,
the
last
two
Department
we
we
created
was
the
the
City
Attorney's
department,
and
that
was
we
went
from
a
contracted,
City
attorney
to
an
in-house
City
attorney
and
we
did
it
under
the
normal
process.
We
put
it
through
the
budget
process,
we
put
it.
A
A
Even
it
was
going
to
cost
us
money,
it'll
save
us
money,
so
that
was
just
a
short
I
guess
four
years
ago,
or
so
we
put
this
new
Department
in
we're
trying
to
jump
step
this
all
the
whole
process
to
get
to
to
the
position
of
let's
set
up
this
new
Department,
we
don't
have
a
job
description.
We
don't
have
a
lot
of
things
that
we
need
to
have.
You
know
ironed
out
before
that
and,
like
commissioner
Smith
said,
we
can
wait
till
budget.
A
A
Well,
you
know
who
brokered
the
deal
to
get
my
cross
to
take
over
the
production
site
at
Cuervo
me
I
helped
to
get
those
those
jobs,
those
high-paying
jobs
that
corvo
sent
back
to
their
other
plants
and
I
got
my
cross,
who
has
their
location
in
in
Lockhart
to
come
and
take
on
that
space
at
Cuervo,
but
and
then
so
forget
about
the
rest
of
the
slides.
The
last
thing
I'll
say:
is
we
talk
about
the
money?
We've
got
two
things
that
I
would
I
would
say.
A
We
should
consider
that
that
are
more
important,
more
pressing
than
than
a
new
a
new
position
with
with
for
now
unsustained
or
un,
no
real
idea,
whether
it's
going
to
work
or
not,
but
we
just
had
to
take
a
fire
tower
out
of
out
of
service.
It
was
a
prototype
that
we've
had
for
20
something
years,
and
so
the
fire
team
came
to
us
and
said:
hey
this
fire
tire
fire
tower
is
not
met
engineering
codes,
so
we
need
to
take
it
out.
A
A
It
just
it
just
came
up
and
then
the
last,
the
other,
the
last
one
which
I
think
is,
is
something
to
to
be
concerned
about,
and
that's
our
pension.
If
you
see
the
State
of
Florida
now
is,
is
looking
at
some
pension
discrepancies
and
not
discrepancies,
pension
shortfalls,
and
just
so
everybody
knows
we
have
about
200
million
dollars
in
our
three
Pension
funds,
and
if
you
take
that,
like
everybody
else,
we've
lost
at
least
10
to
15
percent
this
year,
our
take
lash.
A
Our
our
spin
last
year
was
about
7
million
for
the
three,
the
three
funds
we
know
we're
going
to
have
to
spend
a
lot
more
this
year
on
the
pension
based
on
the
the
losses
that
we
we
took,
even
with
the
smoothing
that
we
normally
do.
So,
if
you're
going
to
spend
some
additional
money,
if
we
won't
spend
two
hundred
thousand
dollars,
I
think
the
Fire
Tower
or
the
pension
would
be
a
much
better
use
of
the
funds,
and
so
with
that
I'll.
Let
anybody
else.
Y
Yeah
I'll
address
it,
so
let
me
piecemeal
it
here
because
it
sounded
like
the
first
argument
they
were
making.
Is
this
isn't
following
a
process
yeah.
Y
The
process
is
where
the
city
council
and
we
set
policy.
We
can
create
departments,
create
roles
whenever
we
so
choose
as
long
as
the
collective
body
approves
it
so
from
a
process
perspective,
I
would
incur,
and
you've
been
on
record
many
many
times
as
saying
it's.
Your
process
and
procedure
that
you
get
your
agenda
out
to
us
commission
before
five
o'clock,
P.M
every
Friday
I
would
venture
to
guess,
there's
probably
minuscule
times
where
we
get
our
agenda
by
five
o'clock
every
Friday.
Y
So
you
can't
have
one
side
of
the
argument
and
not
accept
the
other,
but
again
if,
if
these
are
the
arguments
against
it
and
we're
not
picking
apart
or
challenging
me
on
what
the
proven
benefits
that
other
cities
are
relying
on
this
are
you
going
to
suggest
our
next
budget
year
that
we
have
no
sort
of
Financial
commitment
to
the
Orlando
economic
partnership,
because
I,
don't
I,
think
that's
a
failed
strategy
too
I
think
you
have
to
spend
some
money
and
I
say:
spend
money.
Y
It's
an
investment,
because
we're
going
to
get
Returns
on
that
investment
and
make
take
different
shape
could
be
hard
dollars
could
be
quality
of
life,
a
multitude
of
things,
but
again
I,
don't
I,
don't
hear
a
whole
bunch
of
people
getting
up
at
that
lectern
voicing
their
opposition
to
this
I,
don't
see
a
whole
bunch
of
emails.
Coming
through
my
email
box,
saying
Kyle,
you're
off
your
rocker.
This
is
a
bad
use
of
taxpayer
dollars.
Y
So
I
don't
understand
what
the
friction
is
on
this
thing.
All
there
is
is
benefit
statements
that
we
all
equally
share.
It's
like
I
said
it's
not
it's
not
my
success.
If
I
get
this
piece
of
business
passed,
so
I'm
not
talking
myself
on
the
shoulder,
it's
not
to
say
that
we
have
to
hire
that
position
tomorrow,
because
we
do
have
to
like
I
said
with
Mr
Patton,
get
the
job
description
that
we're
comfortable
with
get
that
posted
heck.
Y
So
it's
not
to
say
that
all
of
this
is
going
to
be
spent
in
two
months
or
we're
going
to
have
the
person
in
place
two
months
from
now.
Let's
do
the
right
search,
get
the
right
credentials,
get
the
right
background,
get
the
right
person
so
that
they
can
hit
the
ground
running,
build
the
team
that
they
need
to
build,
like
any
other
organization.
Does
whether
it's
in
the
public
realm
or
Private
Industry
we've
got
to
spend
a
little
to
make
more
on
return.
Y
You
said
my
time
frame
is
yeah,
I
mean
I
would
seek
approval
tonight
to
get
the
the
mechanics
going
here
and
then
we're
on
our
mission.
Because
again
the
external
Community
is
going
to
say.
Okay,
Apopka
took
a
step
tonight.
They
took
a
step
now.
What
can
we
do
with
it
again?
Two
hundred
thousand
dollars?
These
are
funds
that
are
already
earmarked
for
the
purposes
of
building
strong
resilient
communities.
This
is
what
economic
development
does,
and
so
it's
not
a
punitive
expense
to
our
taxpayers,
a
direct
punitive
expense.
Y
It's
a
investment
of
dollars,
but
I
would
again
I
would
leave
it
up
to
Mr,
Patton
and
say
hey.
It
would
take
me
x,
amount
of
days
or
months
to
get
up,
hopefully
not
months,
but
a
job
description
together,
like
we've
done
in
the
past
on
other
things.
If
we
approve
that,
then
it's
a
hey
all
five
commission
or
all
five
council
members,
you
know
wrap
your
stuff
and
preferences
over
to
Mr
Patton
formulated
job
description,
get
it
posted,
let's
get
it
staffed
and
let's
go
from
there
I
you.
Y
I
had
originally
thought
there
was
300
000
for
my
last
meeting,
but
331
000
was
the
average
of
the
United
municipalities
that
I
saw
obviously
taking
Orlando
out
of
the
mix
because
they're
a
huge
outlier
to
the
you
know:
they're
they're
spending
millions
of
dollars
in
their
Economic
Development
Department.
So
when
you
normalize
them
out,
the
average
was
331.
Y
000.
I
took
a
haircut
to
300K,
because
I
thought
that
was
our
unallocated
amount,
but
then
I
dropped
it
to
two.
When
it
was
that
two,
in
my
opinion,
that
stabs
your
director
level
role
and
that
has
a
little
bit
of
wiggle
room
for
you
to
do
some
of
the
peripheral
expenses
that
come
along
with
getting
out
in
the
community
coming
up
with
plans
creating
marketing
material
and
so
forth.
I
Y
Guys
I
mean
the
you
know,
I
mean
just
scan
like
and
I
get
it
when
people
hear
six
figure
salaries.
It's
hey,
it's
something
the
palette,
but
when
you,
when
I,
when
you
do
Market
assessments
and
you
do
salary
studies,
we
could
sit
here
and
say:
I
want
to
get
somebody
for
85..
What
are
you
going
to
get
85
worth?
Y
85
000
worth
of
economic
development,
director
and
so
I
think
to
have
the
right
person
the
right
skill
set
maturity
level
to
do
this
role
properly,
I
think
base
salary
rise,
you're,
probably
in
the
100
to
125
range
and
then
salaries,
benefits
or
the
benefits.
And
you
know
the
other
departments
spend
on.
I
Ancillary
stuff,
yeah
I,
so
just
my
conjecture
on
the
timeline
itself,
based
on
no
facts
based
on
no
experience
in
that
hey,
we
want
somebody
really
specializing
to
say
it's
a
really
specific
skill
set,
so
I
mean
we
probably
aren't
like
you
said:
we're
not
getting
it
tomorrow.
This
is
probably
not
something
possible
until
May
June
that
we
actually
get
possibly
get
people
applying
that
we
actually
want
to
talk
to,
hopefully
sooner
but
I.
I
Just
this
is
a
specialty
that
we
want
the
right
person
in
the
right
seat,
so
I
don't
want
to
rush
that
I.
Think
that's
my
other
comment.
I!
Don't
want
to
rush
this
just
because
we're
excited
about
it
now.
I
want
to
make
sure
we're
doing
this
right.
So
that's
creating
success
for
that
person
in
that
department,
long
term
right.
Y
Because
I
mean
the
overhead
spent
if
we
were
to
approve
this
tonight
as
I'm
suggesting
it's
a
couple
of
mouse.
Sorry
I'm
going
to
oversimplify
the
finance
system
implications
here,
but
some
mouse
clicks
on
a
system
and
allocation
of
a
wall
within
that
department
and
the
200
earmarked
for
that
I.
Y
D
That,
let
me
just
ask
you:
why
was
it
so
important
to
have
the
decision
tonight
and
I'll?
Tell
you
why?
Because
initially,
when
you
had
asked
for
this
I
thought
it
was
a
presentation,
and
so
in
order
to
have
been
fair
to
you,
I
didn't
preconceive
an
opinion
by
going
out
and
contacting
the
cities
that
you
had
contacted.
Y
That
was
my.
That
was
my
understanding
all
the
way
up
until
when
I
I
sent
a
note
to
Mr
Bass
earlier
in
last
week,
said:
hey
just
FYI
I'll
have
my
slide
deck
over
to
you
by
Thursday
afternoon.
Bye
come
Friday,
I
get
a
call
around
three
o'clock.
Mr
Bass
said
that
he
was.
You
know
he
wanted
to
have
this
as
part
of
the
presentation
section
of
the
agenda.
C
AA
Y
To
have
my
opportunity
to
present
this
for
a
formal
piece
of
business,
I
balked
at
that
idea,
because
it
was
unfair,
because
I
said
that
this
was
going
to
be
a
formal
piece
of
business.
He
said
that
Mr
hit
also
had
a
presentation.
A
co-presentation
I
said:
that's
not
going
to
be
acceptable
because
I've
not
seen
the
presentation.
I've
not
had
any
conversations
with
Mr
hit
on
the
presentation
fast
forward
to
four
o'clock.
I
had
a
joint
conversation
with
Mr
Bass
Mr
Rodriguez.
Y
Talking
about
questioning
me
what
I
was
actually
trying
to
get
approved,
which
I
had
put
on
record
in
December
I
had
already
spoken
on
it
several
times.
I
mean
it's
clear
as
day
up
here
later
that
evening,
I
got
another
call
our
agenda
Clerk,
who
Mr
Bass,
is
had
a
conversation
with
our
mayor
to
get
his
buy-in
to
say.
You
know
this
is
a
piece
of
business
item.
Y
Y
So
with
that
said,
I'll
make
the
motion.
I
and
I
would
move
to
create
an
economic
development
department
within
our
budget,
create
an
economic
development
role
as
the
the
role
within
that
department
and
that
it's
that
200
000
from
the
slf
RF
funds
are
allocated
to
that
department
that
department
that.
I
F
O
Q
I
I,
please
ask
that
everyone
it's
12
30.
Can
we
we're
gonna
have
to
speed
this
up
a
little
bit.
So
just
let's
stay
quiet
should
we
secondhand
move
on
and
let's
say
we
approve
it.
What's
the
next
steps
from
staff
level
now,
because
so
we
earmark
it
things
like
that,
are
you
guys
coming
back
and
presenting
to
us
a
a
role,
or
is
that
something
that
you're
going
to
need
our
feedback
on
to
move
forward?
What
does
that
look
like.
H
My
understanding
is
we
that
this
Council
establishes
policy.
If
adopted,
the
policy
would
be
the
creation
of
a
department
and
the
creation
of
a
position.
At
that
point,
it
is
staff's
job
their
duty
to
administer
that
policy,
so
it
would
have
to.
We
would
have
to
administratively
do
the
procedures
to
create
a
new
Department
to
properly
fund
that
department
in
the
direction
is
we've
got
a
department
with
one
employee
as
right.
Now
that
would
be
the
direction.
H
So
that's
then,
the
role
for
the
the
administrator
to
then
administer
that
policy
to
for
the
creation
of
a
department,
don't
believe.
There's
then
a
formal
resolution
that
comes
back
to
the
council
to
adopt
it's
an
administrative
matter
staff
has
their
marching
orders,
create
a
department
and
house
it
with
that
director.
Then
it's
staff's
prerogative
to
now
administer
that
policy.
A
M
An
ordinance
of
the
city
of
Apopka
Florida
amending
the
future
land
use
element
of
the
Apopka
comprehensive
plan
of
the
city
of
Apopka.
Changing
the
future
land
use,
designation
from
County
Rural
rule
to
City,
very
low
density,
Suburban
residential
for
certain
real
property
generally
located
north
of
West
poncan,
Road
and
West
of
Fields
Lane
owned
by
Phillip
and
Patricia
Simmons,
comprising
9.95
Acres,
more
or
less,
providing
for
a
severability
conflicts
and
an
effective
date.
Any.
A
F
M
Ordinance
of
the
city
of
Apopka
Florida,
changing
the
zoning
from
County
A1
Citrus
rule
to
City,
rsf-1b,
Residential,
single-family
large
lot
for
certain
real
property
generally
located
north
of
West
poncan,
Road
and
West
of
Fields
Lane
owned
by
Philip
and
Patricia
Simmons,
comprising
9.85
Acres,
more
or
less
provided
for
a
separability
conflicts
and
an
effective
date.
Any.
A
B
A
A
B
M
A
F
F
A
Motion
carries
analysis
next
up
we're
going
to
jump
into
item
six
Roxanne,
which
is
ordinance
number
2985.,
Roxanne.
M
Okay,
an
ordinance
of
the
city
of
Apopka
Florida
amending
the
future
land
use
of
a
land
use
element
of
Apopka,
comprehensive
plan
of
the
city
of
Apopka.
Changing
the
future
land
use
designation
from
County
Rural
to
City,
very
low
density,
Suburban
residential
to
City,
industrial
for
certain
real
property
generally
located
south
of
hogshead
Road
and
West
of
hermit
Smith
Road
owned
by
Raynor
Apopka
Land,
Management
LLC
and
soil
blending.
Properties
LLC,
comprising
of
20.15
Acres
more
or
less
providing
for
severability
conflicts
at
an
effective
date.
AG
Roxanne
Reed
with
city
of
Apopka,
as
you
can,
as
as
she
just
read
the
small
scale,
future
land
use
going
from
County,
Rural
to
City,
very
low
density,
Suburban
residential
to
City
Residential,
and
you
can
see
the
vicinity
of
the
property
here.
One
of
these
properties
was
annexed
into
the
city
in
December.
AG
The
staff
believes
that
this
future
land
use
designation
is
compatible
with
the
area,
and
you
can
see
the
existing
future
land
use
here
and
what
is
proposed
applicant
has
requested
these
properties
all
have
the
industrial
future
land
use
to
be
compatible
development.
Review
Committee
recommended
approval.
Planning
Commission
recommended
approval
with
a
five
to
one
vote,
and
the
recommended
motion
is
to
accept
the
first
reading
and
hold
it
over
for
a
second
reading.
AG
A
Okay,
any
other
questions
for
Roxanne.
Anybody
from
the
public
wish
to
speak
on
this
matter,
not
we'll
close.
The
public
hearing
look
for
a
motion
to
approve
ordinance,
number
2984
29.85
at
first
reading
and
the
whole
over
for
a
second
reading
and
adoption.
Someone
got
a
motion
by
commissioner
Nesta.
A
M
An
ordinance
of
the
city
of
Apopka
Florida,
changing
the
zoning
from
County
A1
Citrus
rule
to
City,
rsf,
1A,
residential
family,
residential
single
family,
1A
to
City
IL,
light
industrial
for
certain
real
property
generally
located
south
of
hogshead
Road
and
West
of
hermit
Smith
Road
owned
by
Raynor
Apopka
Land,
Management
LLC
and
soil
blending.
Properties
LLC,
comprising
of
20.15
Acres
more
or
less
providing
for
severability
conflicts
in
an
effective
date.
AG
Roxanne
Reed
with
the
city
of
Apopka.
This
is
the
companion
rezoning
for
this
property
from
County
A1
and
City
rsf-1a
to
city
and
light
Industrial,
and
the
vicinity
is
here.
You
can
see
the
existing
zoning
on
the
property
and
then
the
proposed
zoning
of
light
Industrial
development,
Review
Committee,
recommended
approval.
Planning
Commission
also
recommended
approval,
and
the
requested
recommended
motion
is
to
accept
the
first
reading
and
hold
it
over
for
a
second
reading.
A
B
B
C
C
on
December,
2nd,
2022
raftel
is
financial
consultants,
incorporate,
has
released
the
city
of
Apopka
water,
Wastewater
and
reclaimed
water
rates
and
impact
fees.
2022
study
report.
The
study
analysis
encompassed
the
financial
evaluation
for
the
five
fiscal
year
period
of
October
1st
2021
through
September
30th
2026..
C
The
study
also
established
the
level
of
service
for
providing
water,
Wastewater
and
reclaim
water
utility
services
and
developed
a
fee
per
equivalent
residential
unit,
based
on
the
historical
costs
of
the
existing
water,
Wastewater
and
recline
water
system.
The
projected
expansion
related
Capital
cost
provided
by
the
city
and
a
review
of
the
remaining
water,
Wastewater
and
recline
water
capacity
available
in
the
system
to
service
new
growth.
Ordinance
number
2993
was
Julie
advertised
in
this
Apopka
cheap
on
January,
13,
2023
and
public
services.
Department
recommends
approval
of
this
ordinance
I.
A
A
Questions
for
Vladimir
anybody
from
public.
We
should
speak
on
this
matter,
not
we'll
close.
The
pub
carrying
look
for
a
motion
to
approve
ordinance
number
2993
at
first
reading
and
hold
over
for
a
second
reading
and
adoption.
So
it's
got
a
motion
by
commissioner
Velazquez.
Second,
second
by
commissioner
Nesta.
All
those
in
favor
aye
opposed
motion
carries
unanimously
next
up
ordinance,
number
2996.
H
Good
evening,
commissioners,
before
you
is
a
ordinance
2996
which
establishes
a
trespass
warning
procedures
for
folks
who
are
deemed
to
be
trespassing
on
to
public
property,
the
the
ordinance
defines
what
constitutes
public
property
and
the
message,
methods
and
procedures
for
both
either
a
city,
employee
or
a
police
officer
law
enforcement
officer
to
issue
trespass
warnings.
The
trespass
warnings
can
then
be
properly
appealed
through
a
civil
Pursuit
civil
process,
which
would
which
would
use
our
current
existing
code
enforcement
special
magistrate
to
hear
matters
to
to
appeal.
H
If
a
person
does
not
feel
that
they
have
been
issued
a
trespass
warning
properly.
At
that
point,
any
any.
The
first
offense
means
you
get
a
trespect
you're
due
to
trespasser,
get
a
first
warning,
which
means
you
cannot
trespass
upon
the
property
for
a
period
of
a
year.
If
you're
found
back
on
the
property,
then
you're
deemed
a
trespasser,
and
at
that
point
law
enforcement
will
then
proceed
forward
with
the
the
mechanisms
and
procedures
that
are
that
are
entailed
under
under
Florida
Statutes.
H
Second,
warning
has
the
option
of
then
being
a
a
further
trespasser
to
be
effective
for
two
years,
which
means
that
you
may
be
deemed
a
trespasser
if
you're
back
on
the
public
property,
such
public
property
is
usually
when
a
warning
is
issued
is
to
be
specifically
defined
in
order
to
properly
process
an
appeal
of
a
of
a
person
as
a
trespasser
I'm
here
to
answer
any
questions
that
hopefully
Chief
McKinley
is
still
here.
No.
F
F
Y
Y
Will
be
trespassed,
may
not
have
the
ability
to
write,
or
they
may
suffer
from
ailments
that
don't
that
prevent
that
so
I'm,
assuming
that,
if
they
were
to
come
to
the
location,
that's
on
the
on
the
filing,
someone
would
be
able
to
help
them
well,.
H
B
I
get
my
other
question
would
be,
will
probably
talking
about
homeless
people
that
are
going
to
be
trespassed
and
we
still
don't
have
anything
in
place
in
the
city
of
Apopka
for
our
homeless
population
and
there's
nowhere
for
them
to
go.
We
don't
have
a
shelter
or
anything.
So
what's
going
to
happen,
does
this
result
in
jail
or
fine.
H
No,
the
the
trespass
warning
and
the
issuance
of
a
warning
is
a
civil
matter
and
any
appeals
of
it
is
going
to
be
handled
through
code
enforcement.
This
is
gonna,
make
it
a
determination
for
the
either
let's
be
City
employee
or
the
officer
made
determination
whether
that
person
is
deemed
a
trespasser
I
think
there
are
issues
either
folks
who
are
who
are
I
mean
other
examples
of
trespassers
are
folks
who,
if
they're
within
city
property
and
they've,
been
asked
to
leave
and
refuse
to
leave,
then
that's
going.
H
They
the
there
is,
then
the
mechanism
to
issue
them
a
trespass
warning.
This
isn't
just
solely
focused
to
homeless,
but
it's
would
still.
If
we
have
an
habitual
problem.
I
think
there
is
not
necessarily
I
mean
under
the
law.
They
were,
if
they're
trespassing
on
the
public
property
and
the
and
the
proper
and
the
definition
of
what
properties
what
public
properties
constitutes
in
the
is
in
the
code,
I
mean
we're
going
to
issue
it.
They'll
be
issued
a
warning
they'll
be
asked
they'll
be
asked
to
leave,
remove
themselves
from
the
premises.
H
If
there
is
an
ability
for
the
officer
to
State.
You
know
go
to
so
and
such
place
I
mean
if
they
have
the
opportunity
or
asked
to
just
leave.
You
know
if
they
refuse
to
leave.
That's
when
a
trespass
warning
would
would
be
issued.
A
D
Let
me
just
one
question,
so
you
have
a
like.
You
said
we're
not.
We
just
can't
focus
on
the
homeless
doing
that,
but
you
have
a
shoplifter
and
now
you
bring
in
the
police
at
that
point
for
shoplifting,
but
if
the
store
manager
or
whatever
tells
that
shoplifter,
you
can
no
longer
come
into
my
premises.
But
now
this.
H
City
Hall
or
the
other
identity
over
any
City
facility,
building
or
outdoor
area,
including
Municipal,
Parks,
okay,
so
and
I
believe
also
for
the
purpose
of
this
section.
Right
away
shall
include
sidewalks,
which
are
closest
to
a
paved
Street
provided
the
street
side
edge
of
the
sidewalk
is
within
20
feet
of
the
curb
line
closest
to
the
property,
so
it's
public
property
only.
T
State
Statute,
City
policy
and
city
ordinances
do
lots
of
supersede
our
constitution.
Will
you
be
modifying
current
policies
which
are
unconstitutional
so
that
we
may
not
be
trespassed
from
this
building
if
we
refuse
to
provide
eye
deep
and
conduct
a
legitimate
business
in
a
lawful
manner?
After
all,
the
Constitution
affords
us
anonymity
to
regress
grievance.
If
we
so
desire.
Do
you
accept
there
is
no
expectation
of
privacy
in
a
publicly
accessible
building,
and
we
have
the
right
to
record
interactions
with
people
engaged
in
working
in
that
building.
It
appears
to
be.
T
H
H
It
is
a
reasonable
expectation
that
the
place
of
business
for
government
I
mean
City
Hall,
for
example,
is
a
place
of
government
business
and
that
there
is
an
there
is
an
expectation
that
the
business
of
government
shall
not
be
unreasonably
interfered
with,
which
means
that
there
is
no
prohibitions
for
the
reasonable
requests
for
identification,
also
for
the
reasonable
request
in
order
to
access
buildings
to
conduct
government
business.
Also,
any
type
of
videotaping
which
cause
creates
the
interference
of
government
business
is
not
permitted.
H
This
trespass
warning
ordinance
allows
for
a
warning
to
be
given
stating
to
the
person
you're
interfering
with
the
business
of
government,
basically
unreasonable
interference
and
therefore,
if
you
do
not
abide
by
the
instructions
of
a
of
an
employee
that
a
trespass
warning
can
be
issued,
if
you
do
believe
that
the
trespass
warning
was
issued
in
error,
there's
a
civil
appeals
process,
so
a
person's
due
process
rights
are
not
infringed
and
there
is
a
there
is
a
mechanism
and
a
method
to
appeal
that
process
and
it's
a
civil
matter.
It's
not
a
criminal.
H
It's
not
a
criminal
matter.
I.
Think
it's
important
to
know.
We've
had
this
discussion
in
previous
other
items.
First
Amendment
rights
are
not
absolute.
There
is
a
reasonable
time
place
and
manner
restriction
and
going
in
and
interfering
with
the
course
of
business
of
government,
the
local
government,
a
government
can
can
provide
and
impose
reasonable
time
place
and
manner
restrictions.
This
has
already
been
addressed
by
the
federal
courts.
T
I
think
I
did
State
clearly
that
it
was
a
lawful
business.
I
was
discussing
not
interference
or
obstruction,
and
that
might
be
very
subjective
as
to
what
you
think
is
obstruction
or
has
caused
an
unnecessary,
Air
free
and
then
what
I
think
is
as
far
as
I'm
concerned,
I
believe
the
Constitution
supersedes
what
you're
speaking
about.
Thank
you.
A
Q
Q
H
Unless
it
I
mean
it's
City
maintained,
however,
if
we
have
an
agreement
with
the
county
for
joint
main
tenants,
or
that
would
I
mean
that
could
be
interpreted
still
something
the
city
controller.
Y
Mean
to
piggyback
off
of
Commissioners
and
that's
concerned
is
you
know,
vote
this
ordinance
in
the
next
ordinance
are
really
going
to
impact
the
unhoused
community.
I
mean
we
can
all
visualize
who
lives
really
over
there
and
so
I
think
with
Chief
McKinley
too.
How
are
we
partnering
with
organizations
that
can
provide
necessary
resources
to
help
guide
them
to
different
places?.
Y
K
Right,
first
off
to
direct
your
first
question:
our
officers
do
have
access
to
resources
that
provide
the
homeless
they're,
familiar
with
Matthew's
hope
down
in
Winter
Garden
for
the
homeless.
They
know
that
Matthew's
hope
picks
up
the
homeless
on
Tuesdays
and
Thursdays
from
the
trailhead
and
brings
them
back
to
the
trailhead
in
the
afternoon.
Picks
Them
Up
I
believe
it's
at
8
o'clock
right
nine
o'clock,
something
like
that.
They
also
have
an
app
that
was
created
by
an
individual
in
the
area
that
allows
them
to
seek
resources,
whether
paid
resources,
free
resources.
K
We've
been
trialing
that
app
for
a
little
bit
and
it
checks
the
advantage
to
the
app
so
far
is
that
it
checks
to
ensure
that
whatever
resource
we
may
want
to
send
them
to
is
still
in
business
doing
what
it
is,
because
we
all
know
a
lot
of
non-profits
you're
around
for
a
little
while
their
funding
goes
and,
and
they
do
that
to
address.
The
other
issue
is
I.
Think
you're
going
to
find
that
really
we
deal
with
a
lot
of
people
that
do
graffiti
create
disturbances,
and
it's
not
necessarily
the
homeless.
K
We've
arrested
people
for
breaking
into
City
bit
buildings.
These
are
the
people
that'll
be
trespassed,
also
they'll
be
given
trespass
warnings,
so
they
can't.
We
don't
want
to
back
on
our
property
if
they're,
creating
a
disturbance
at
the
park
they're
creating
graffiti
most
recent
case.
I'll
give
you
in
Caitlin
Nelson
Park.
We
had
an
individual
who
was
posing
as
a
security
guard
and
calling
us
and
trying
to
get
the
homeless
trespassed
saying
that
he
was
affiliated
with
the
city.
He
wasn't
affiliated
with
the
city.
K
He
would
be
now
asked
and
trespassed
from
the
park.
We
don't
need
him
in
our
park.
We
don't
need
him
trying
to
convince
our
officers
that
he
supersedes
you
know
and
has
been
told
by
the
city
commission
that
he
can
authorize
trespass
warnings
to
the
homeless
in
our
Park,
which
we
know
nobody
did
that
so
there's
a
lot
of
issues
here.
The
first
step
in
all
of
this
is
going
to
be
to
ask
somebody
to
leave
that
they
are
welcome
there
and
they
need
to
leave.
They
refuse
to
leave.
Then
they'll
be
issued.
K
The
trespass
warning
the
difference
between
what
commissioner
Velasquez
started
to
talk
about.
Why
she's,
tired
in
a
private
business
is
there
is
no
appeal
process.
You
get
a
trespass
warning
from
a
private
business.
You
come
back,
you
go
to
jail.
No
questions
asked
we've
provided
an
appeal
process
for
those
that
feel
that
they
were
given
a
trespass
warning
that
wasn't
appropriate
or
whatever
there
could
be
occasions
where,
if
they
refuse
to
leave
or
come
back
or
return
in
the
future,
they
could
be
arrested.
They
could
be
given
a
notice
to
appear.
K
There
are
several
options
here.
This
is
not
just
it's
just
a
tool
for
us
to
use
for
people
that
we
do
not
want
to
return
to
city
property,
whether
it
be
because
they're
committing
crimes
on
well
most
of
the
ordinances
written
for
crimes
or
violation
of
our
ordinances.
It's
not
that
you
know
and
when
it
comes
to
homeless.
For
the
most
part,
unless
we
have
a
call
for
service,
we
don't
go
out
and
aggressively
pursue
the
homeless.
K
Did
I
answer
your
question?
Oh
you
know,
I
did
I
didn't
answer
your
question.
No
I'm
glad
I'm
glad
no
I
I
did
we
have
been
asked
in
the
Parks
manager
for
the
trailhead
and
the
bike
trail
has
given
us
a
trespass
authorization
form
requesting
that
we
assist
them
in
removing
some
people
who
are
sleeping
or
laying
or
committing
crimes
on
the
bike
trail
the
bike
that
could
also
be
done
by
the
Orange
County
Sheriff's
Office.
They
do
have
a
significant
response
time,
we're
obviously
closer
to
that.
K
V
It's
late
mayor,
I'll,
be
brief:
Sylvester
Rolling,
Hills
Lane.
My
thing
is,
we
know
we
have
a
problem
with
the
homeless
situation
and
we
know
it's
going
to
create
a
problem.
So
knowing
that
we
have
a
problem
with
the
homeless
situation,
what
is.
V
What
is
our
plan
to
combat
that?
Because
if
we
don't,
we
know
we're
going
to
have
a
problem
with
the
homeless
and
with
the
police
department,
it
already
been
back
in
our
face.
They
feel
like
they're
being
harassed
so
I,
don't
think
nobody
in
here
ever
been
homeless,
but
I.
Don't
think
that
is
a
good
feeling
to
wake
up
every
morning,
not
having
a
roof
over
your
head
or
not,
knowing
where
you're
going
to
get
your
next
meal
at.
V
So
when
we
sit
up
here,
we
represent
the
people.
The
people
shouldn't
have
to
bring
a
problem
to
you,
I
feel
it's
your
job
to
go,
see
what
the
people
in
need.
If
I'm
running
my
household,
nobody
needs
to
come
in
here
and
tell
me
what
I
need
in
my
household.
That's
my
job,
my
responsibility
and
to
provide
my
family
with
the
necessary
needs.
V
You
are
the
leaders
of
the
people.
You
should
go
out
in
the
streets
and
see
what
needs
to
be
done.
What
safety
items
need
to
be
taken
care
of
what
roles
need
to
be
taken
care
of
what
issues
we
have
bring
it
backs
among
yourself.
How
do
we
figure
this
out?
So
if
we
don't
figure
out
the
problem
with
the
homeless,
we
already
know
we're
setting
up
another
problem
for
ourselves,
so
I
would
like
to
see
something
being
done
about
the
homeless
population
and
go
and
talk
to
the
people.
V
A
I
A
H
H
This
is
Arisen
out
of
a
concern
from
our
residents
as
to
issues
and
conduct
that
is
occurring
on
public
property.
This
does
create
new
public
order,
offenses
that
are
of
it's
important
to
note.
These
are
a
general
applicability
to
all
the
residents,
all
the
visitors
and
any
person
within
the
corporate
limits
of
the
city
of
Apopka.
So
we're
regulating
the
prohibition
of
some
of
these.
H
It
almost
seems,
as
they
should
be
obvious,
but
they
weren't
in
our
code,
so
the
prohibition
of
the
public
urination
public,
defecation,
camping
in
grounds
that
are
not
approved,
campgrounds
or
other
approved
public
areas,
so
the
camping
on
public
property,
including
our
Parks,
as
well
as
sitting
or
lying
on
sidewalks
or
bicycle
paths,
creating
obstructions
as
well
as
indecent
exposure.
H
Also,
there
has
been
an
expansion
just
further
clarification
when
it
comes
to
the
posting
of
the
correct
operating
hours
for
public
parks,
as
well
as
then
also
General
standards
and
conduct
standards
within
the
public
parks
of
the
city
of
Apopka
I'm.
Here
for
additional
questions,
the
chief
of
police
is
also
here
for
other
questions.
Mainly
I
will
defer
to
the
chief
of
police
on
questions
relating
to
the
enforcement
of
these.
These
public
offenses.
Y
H
Did
if
there's
any
changes
or
if
or
even
between,
if
you
have
suggestions
for
changes
or
other
clarifications,
you
know
feel
like
a
broken
record,
but
you
know
my
door.
My
office
door
is
open.
We
come
in
and
discuss
I'm
sure
I'm,
pretty
sure
Velasquez
can
come
right
in.
She
has
a
second
home
on
a
chair
in
my
office
to
discuss
any
matters.
That'll
come
before
you
and
we
can
further
discuss
and
changes
can
be
made
prior
to
adoption
at
second
reading
or
modification
any
changes
or
modifications.
The.
I
Only
one
that
I
had-
and
we
discussed
this-
is
just
the
I
know:
it's
random.
It's
on
page
413,
number,
11
public
bench.
No
person
shall
lie
or
otherwise
be
in
a
horizontal
position
on
a
park
bench
table
or
where
prohibited
by
signs
and
I.
Just
don't
want
that
to
be
used
to
either
drive
out
teens
from
being
in
a
certain
area
for
longer
than
a
neighbor
may
prefer
something
along
those
lines.
So
I
just
want
to
make
sure
we're
not
weaponizing
number
11.
H
Inappropriately
again
that
that
is
and
now
I'll
defer
to
the
chief
of
police.
If
this
is
that's,
usually
any
discretion
of
the
officer
whether
or
not
to
to
seek
enforcement
of.
K
Be
brought
back
up,
it's
not
going
to
apply
to
you
know
it's
gonna
be
common
sense:
it's
not
going
to
apply
to
somebody
who
is
there
with
a
crowd
and
they're
just
laying
down
for
a
minute
or
anything
else,
but
we
do
have
individuals
that
sit
and
sleep
on
top
of
the
picnic
tables,
preventing
families
from
enjoying
a
picnic
tables,
the
areas
same
with
the
park
benches
and
everything
else.
K
If
somebody
has
taken
up
a
residency
there
for
a
little
while
and
we
get
a
complaint
again,
I
think
the
biggest
thing
here
is
the
majority
of
times.
When
we
deal
with
these
issues
is
responding
to
complaints.
We're
not
you
know,
we
got
other
things
that
we
deal
with,
that
you
know
as
far
as
crime
goes
and
other
things
and
areas
that
we
do
our
directive
Patrol.
A
K
A
Z
A
Z
A
E
D
D
But
when
we,
the
last
council
meeting
when
we
went
over
to
the
museum-
and
we
were
with
the
the
Apopka,
the
youth
Council
I
was
approached
by
the
senior
she's,
a
senior
at
the
wakaiba
high
school,
and
also
the
president
of
her
senior
class
she's
The
Fellowship
of
the
Christian
athletics
president
she's,
the
athletic
training
person
she's,
the
president
of
the
minority
leaders
and
lastly,
co-president
of
the
Apopka
youth
Council
and
her
ask
was
well
she
she
expressed
her
concerns
regarding
a
need
in
her
school
for
many
of
the
students
facing
Financial
hardships,
mental
stress
and
food
insecurity.
D
Miss
Jade
had
asked
if
we,
the
council,
would
help,
by
a
way
of
support
and
monetary
donation
to
The
Wekiva,
High,
School
class
Council
to
help
support
senior
class
activities
for
their
students.
Other
schools
are
having
senior
class
activities
with
the
help
of
funds
by
parents
and
fundraising
at
Wekiva.
High
School,
most
of
the
families
are
struggling
at
the
student
council
was
helping.
Local
businesses
would
help
via
by
a
way
of
donations,
but
when
she
went
out
to
some
of
the
local
businesses,
a
lot
of
them
had
committed
to
the
Apopka
high
school.
D
D
And
basically,
what
she's
just
trying
to
do
is
and
I'll
give
you
an
example.
She
says
some
of
the
other
local
high
schools
have
like
a
senior
breakfast,
but
they
didn't
have
any
money
to
do
that
for
their
seniors.
So
it's
some
of
the
activities
that
they
just
cannot
provide
for
their
seniors.
So
I
was
just
asking
if
we
can
help
and
if
we
do
I
think
at
the
bottom
of
her
email.
D
She
she
gave
a
specific
that
if
you
do
make
a
donation
to
indicate
that
it's
for
the
senior
class,
so
that
was
something
and
I
think
she
had
spoken
to
us
separately.
While
we
were
at
the
at
the
Museum
on
Thursday
January
12th
I
attended
the
Apopka
Farm
Workers.
They
had
a
sort
of
a
celebration
recognizing
and
celebrating
40
Years
of
dedicated
Service
and
they've
been
doing
that
in
our
community,
improving
the
work
conditions
of
the
Farm
Workers
who
work
in
the
Agricultural
and
nursery
nursery
industry.
D
D
Their
40th
anniversary,
General
Assembly
meeting,
which
will
include
the
five
Regional
Offices
from
the
state
of
Florida
and
all
their
delegates
will
be
attending
a
conference
that
will
be
hosted
here
for
the
first
time
in
our
city,
at
the
Apopka
community
center
on
Sunday
March
5th
2023.
So
there
was
an
open
invitation
to
us,
as
in
the
council,
to
attend
and
the
kind
of
the
conference
also
this
past
week,
I
know
I
attended
and
I
I
believe
I
sought
them.
The
mayor
was
also
there.
D
We
attended
two
funeral
services,
one
for
a
long
time
wrote
a
remember,
Mr,
Lowell,
schweinberg
and
the
second
service
was
for
a
young
adult
Jacob
Aaron
sumlin.
He
lost
his
life
after
being
struck
by
an
auto
while
he
was
bicycling
across
here.
The
street
of
Walgreens
and
the
reason
why
I'm
bringing
this
up
is
because
his
grandmother
is
Miss,
Kathy,
Hopper,
she's,
a
long
time
resident
of
our
city
and
as
well
as
a
long
time.
D
Member
of
the
Apopka
Women's
Club-
and
she
personally
called
me
just
before
the
funeral
for
her
grandson
and
had
respectfully
asked
that
I
do
tell
the
other
council
members
that
the
young
man
who
did
was
killed
on
that.
You
know
by
the
auto
was
her
grandson
and
her
concern
was
she
wanted
us
as
a
counsel
to
she
wanted
us
to
know
who
the
person
was
because
he
was
someone
from
the
community.
D
So
that
was
this
is
why
I'm
bringing
her
up
and
this
it's
it's
a
commitment
that
I
have
made
to
her.
So
again,
I
offer
my
sincere
condolences
to
a
friend
of
mine
that
I've
known
for
the
last
10
years
and,
of
course,
to
her
entire
family
and
the
loss
of
her
young
grandson,
who
was
just
28
years
old
and
he
leaves
behind
Twins
and
they're.
Only
two
years
old-
oh
this
past
Monday,
we
all
attended
the
Martin
Luther
King
that
I'm
and
I'm
gonna
correct
myself.
D
The
late
Reverend
Dr
Martin
Luther,
King
Jr.
We
had
a
beautiful
day
of
sunshine.
Of
course,
when
we
turned
the
corner
started
to
travel
down
the
parade
route.
D
I
hope
some
are
awake,
that
we
have
our
next
Workshop
schedule
regarding
the
proposed
annexation
of
South
Apopka
and
it
will
be
held
on
Tuesday
January
24th
from
four
to
six.
It
will
be
hosted
at
the
John
Bridges
center
from
four
to
six
and
I
hope.
We
get
a
good
turnout
again.
You
know
because
I've
gotten
some
telephone
calls.
D
D
Let
me
see
what
the
other
okay.
Last
last
week,
I
learned
that
the
orange
oh,
that
the
Orange
County
held
a
legislative
meeting
with
all
our
new
newly
elected
state
representatives,
including
our
former
commissioner
Doug
bankson.
At
that
session,
there
were
constituents
invited
from
Central
Florida
to
meet
and
speak
with
the
representatives.
The.
U
D
Why
I
say
this
because
I
learned
that
some
of
the
constituents
had
gone
to
this
legislative
meeting,
but
I
was
unaware
of
it?
I
mean
we
didn't
know
about
it,
so
I
reached
out
to
our
estate,
rep
and
I,
asked
him
to.
Please
add
me
to
the
email,
because
for
me,
I
felt
there
was
a
missed
opportunity
for
the
Commissioners.
Here
too
I've
heard
some
of
the
constituents
of
what
their
ask
was
as
they
head
to
Tallahassee.
D
I
did
learn
that
our
mayor
was
in
attendance
and
spoke
at
the
public
comment
section,
so
I
hope
he
can
share
with
us
what
he
did
ask
of
of
our
our
state
representative
as
they
get
ready
to
go
for
their
new
session
in
Tallahassee
and
last
and
I'm.
Thank
you
so
much
to
everyone
that
has
really
stayed
with
us
through
this.
In
the
beginning
of
our
public
council
meeting
a
closed
litigation
executive
session
was
held
to
discuss
pending
litigation
regarding
the
estate
of
Austin.
D
Duran
I
want
to
reiterate
that
this
session
does
not
minimize
the
tragic
event
or
the
loss
of
Austin
Duran.
Nor
does
it
preclude
you,
the
residents
who
are
concerned
and
want
to
know
the
outcome
of
the
investigation.
At
this
time.
All
inquiries
will
go
through
the
city
attorney
until
the
case
is
settled.
D
D
As
your
elected
officials,
we
want
to
reiterate
to
Austin
Austin
Duran's
family,
especially
his
dad
Michael,
whose
present
has
been
consistent
in
our
public
meetings
to
Austin's
girlfriend
Sydney,
his
friends
and
his
Apopka
firefighters.
We
continue
to
feel
the
tremendous
loss
of
his
son
and
he
will
not
be
forgotten.
Y
Becker
y'all
make
it
short
and
sweet
or
not
sweet,
but
you
know
both
both
of
the
people
that
Commissioner
of
Alaska
has
mentioned
are:
are
members
of
our
church,
the
mayor,
the
the
church
that
the
mayor
and
I
go
to
so
my
condolences
to
the
Swanberg
family
and
then
Kathy
Hopper,
who
I
give
hugs
to
at
the
11
o'clock
service
every
Sunday
and
I
just
feel
I
feel
for
her.
Y
My
prayers
are
with
her
about
you
know
we're
steeped
in
faith
and
that
faith
will
get
us
through
these
tough
times
and
I
wanted
to
Echo.
The
thanks
to
commissioner
Smith
leadership
for
the
parade
gorgeous
day
and
I.
Think
Reverend
Bradford
said
that
it
may
have
been
the
largest
parade
to
date,
so
it
was
very
successful
kudos
to
you
and
all
the
people
that
go
into
making
it
happen.
So
thank
you.
X
B
Smith,
thank
you
and
I
just
want
to
say
thanks
to
the
mayor
and
the
Commissioners
for
your
participation,
your
attendance
and
your
support.
Other
Dr
Martin
Luther
King
parade,
and
it
was
the
largest
that
we've
had
so
this
was
our
14th
annual
and
the
largest
parade
that
we've
had.
So
we
thank
you
for
your
support.
B
My
condolences
go
out
to
the
two
families
as
well
wasn't
able
to
attend
either
service,
but
our
prayers
and
thoughts
are
with
them
and
again.
Commissioner,
the
last
question
is
already
mentioned
about
annexation
on
Tuesday
the
24th
at
four
o'clock
at
the
John
Bridges
Community
Center,
and
we
invite
the
public
to
please
come
out
and
voice
your
opinion
and
get
factual
information
as
to
what's
going
to
take
place
and
then,
in
reference
to
the
the
homeless
of
I.
B
Think
all
of
us
received
the
letter
from
Nathan
some
time
ago
with
some
suggestions
as
to
how
we
could
deal
with
the
homeless
and
I.
Remember
at
one
of
our
City
Council
meetings.
Mr
Cooper
was
present
and
said
that
he
had
offered
to
build
a
place
for
the
homeless
and
so
I'm
going
to
personally
contact
him
and
see,
if
he's
still
willing
to
provide
that
offer
and
provide
a
place
for
our
homeless
population.
Here
in
the
city
of
Apopka,.
A
I
Ernesta,
just
I'll
keep
it
short
Echo
the
same
sentiments,
the
rest
of
the
Commissioners
didn't
hear.
The
only
thing
was
it's,
my
understanding
that
we
have
the
final
gaining
report
available
from
the
fire
department.
So
if
we
can
just
all
get
copies
of
that
as
soon
as
possible,
just
request.
A
Mayor's
report
got
the
South
Park
annexation
Community.
Oh
great
news.
We
gave
a
high
school.
Their
culinary
program
won
seven
awards
at
the
ocps,
culinary
competition
so
did
a
great
job
there.
We
have
a
new
appointee
to
the
CRA
board.
It's
Linda
Vol,
who
succeeds
Lee
Blackwelder
burette
on
the
CRA
board,
so
she
will
be
at
the
neck.
When
you
have
our
next
CRA
meeting,
she
should
be
in
attendance,
a
big
thanks
back
for
commissioner
Smith
and
Monique
Morris
Awesome
event,
like
we
said
everybody
best
ever.
A
A
You
know
to
get
their
name
at
the
bottom
of
the
page
that
you
know
I
I
did
the
you
know
the
the
bio
on
you
know,
Billy
Dean
or
whoever
so
I
think
it's
going
to
be
a
a
great,
and
so
what
we'll
do
is
every
every
day
on
the
city
website,
we'll
we'll
have
that
person
posted
so
they'll.
So
I
thought
you
know.
Local
leaders
versus
you
know
the
nationally
or
something
so
everybody
gets
a
good.
You
know
idea
of
some
of
the
the
Pioneers
black
Pioneers
here
in
Apopka,
the
popca
area.
A
We've
got
popca
Historical
Society,
the
Banners
are
up
I
know
they've
been
asking
for
the
banners
they're
up
outside.
So
if
you
want
to
take
a
look
at
those
something
they've
been
asking
for,
we
got
a
Kelly
Park
interchange
on
February
7th,
it's
a
workshop
from
10
to
12..
That's
what
the
developers.
What
day
is
that
February
7th
10
to
12.?
It's
a
workshop
to
to
go
over
the
planning,
Road
improvements
mainly
but
we'll
have
the
developers
there
to
kind
of
guide
us
through
what
what
that
looks
like
I
think!
A
That's
all
I've
got!
Oh
just
one
more
thing:
you
appeared
at
the
Orange
County,
oh
okay,
yeah
the
at
the
delegation
meeting.
That's
not
just
reps,
it's
Senators
as
well,
and
it's
not
brand
new
ones.
It's
all
senders
and
all
Representatives
okay
see
so
anybody
that
that
has
a
a
piece
of
Orange,
County
and
I
was
not
invited
it.
A
It's
just
I
know
that
they
they
have
to
do
that
before
they
go
to
Tallahassee
for
session,
so
Stacy
reached
out
and
found
out
when
it
was
and-
and
we
got
on
the
agenda
so
three
things
that
we
brought
up,
try
to
help
get
help
with
and
that's
the
trail
Gap.
We
have
on
the
West
Orange
Trail
between
Leicester
Road
and
the
neighborhood
lakes
in
Lake
County,
and
also
the
the
gap
on
the
south
west
side
of
Lake
Apopka.
A
So
we'll
have
the
complete
loop
around
Lake
Apopka
I've,
already
gotten
commitments
from
Oakland
Ocoee
Winter
Garden
to
to
support
that,
so
we're
excited
about
their
their
help,
as
well
as
Lake
County
border
Lake
funding
to
help
us
complete
that
that
flooding
problem
there
border
Lake
and
Lake
page
and
Lake
Pleasant,
and
then
some
money
for
affordable
housing
and
with
that.