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This Community Meeting for South Apopka Annexation took place on Tuesday, January 24, 2023 from 4 PM to 6 PM at the John H. Bridges Community Center in Building A.
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A
A
Right
all
right,
thank
you.
Everybody
thanks
for
coming
out
today,
thank
you
to
the
bridges,
Center
and
their
staff
for
helping
us
put
this
together
and
thanks.
Thank
you
a
lot
to
the
I.T
Department
that
we're
able
to
get
us
set
up
for
all
the
microphones
for
everybody
here,
so
we're
going
to
just
jump
right
into
it.
The
presentations
by
the
different
departments,
kind
of
talking
about
what
those
Services
would
look
like
and
and
then
it
will
we'll
wrap
it
up
with
the
fiscal
forecast.
C
Okay,
design
all
right
good
afternoon,
folks
following
is
an
overview
of
what
are
the
legal
methods
for
annexation
pursuant
to
Florida
Statutes.
There
are
various
methods
of
annexation.
It's
not
just
one
type
of
process
so
for
background
I'm,
going
to
give
everybody
the
background
of
the
different
types
and
different
processes
for
annexation
that
could
affect
and
may
affect,
the
South
Apopka
area.
C
One
of
the
first
methods
for
annexation
is
probably
the
one
that
if
you
follow
city
government
or
any
local
government,
you're,
probably
most
familiar
with
and
that's
what's
dirt,
that's
what's
deemed
as
a
voluntary
annexation.
Voluntary
annexation
is
when
I
I
or
you
or
anyone
as
a
property
owner
wishes
to
Annex
into
a
city.
C
C
The
state
requires
that
that
property
meets
certain
standards,
namely
if
your
property
has
to
be
what
is
called
a
budding
the
the
city
limits.
So
you
have
to
be
up
against
the
city
limits.
You
have
to
be
compact,
which
it
means
you
have
to
it's.
It
has
to
be
a
compact
square
rectangular,
one
of
the
things
that
courts
do
not
like
to
look
at
or
what
are
called
kind
of
finger-like
projections
out.
C
If
you
meet
the
require,
if
you
meet
the
standards
that
the
state
sets
out
and
your
property
meets
them,
you
go
to
the
city,
commission,
the
city
council,
the
city
council
will
vote
on
it,
and
then
you
are
annexed
into
the
city
after
that
process,
then
you'll
have
questions
as
to
changing
your
zoning.
Changing
your
land
use
to
meet
the
city's
requirements
from
the
county
at
this
time.
There
is
nothing
to
stop
any
property
owner
in
South
Apopka
who
meets
that
those
qualities
and
criteria
under
the
statute
to
Annex
into
the
city.
C
C
There
can
be
multiple
annexations,
but
but
what
ends
up
happening?
Is
you
have
to
make
sure
that,
at
each
time
that
property
has
to
be
what's
called
contiguous
to
the
city?
You
have
to
touch
the
city
limits.
You
cannot
jump
across
also
when
it
comes
to
voluntary
annexations.
Your
annexation
cannot
create
what's
called
an
enclave.
An
enclave
is
a
unincorporated
area.
That's
surrounded
basically
on
all
four
sides
by
by
city
limits,
so
these
are
Pockets
or
holes
within
a
city
limit.
C
Now
the
second
type
of
annexation
process
is
probably
the
one
that's
of
most
interest
now,
because
it's
the
one
that's
being
contemplated
as
part
of
all
these
workshops
and
that's
annexation
by
a
municipality.
This
is
a
method
where
the
city
looks
to
acquire
the
property.
In
the
end,
the
ultimate
decision
is
on
the
voters
of
the
area
to
be
annexed,
as
well
as
the
voters
of
the
city
to
be
doing
the
annexing.
C
C
This
is
kind
of
a
a
protection
for
those
property
owners
that
aren't
electors
who
wouldn't
have
a
say
in
the
election,
to
Annex
that
their
property
is
going
to
then
be
annexed
into
the
City,
and
then
they
would
be
subject
to
city
regulations
to
City
enforcement
to
city
property
taxes,
so
in
the
in
for
in
the
specific
example
of
South
Apopka,
the
city
would
have
to
then
review.
Basically
the
area
to
be
designated
for.
Oh
there's
no
map
the
area
to
be
designated
for
annexation.
C
If
that
number
is
more
than
70
percent,
then
there's
going
to
have
to
be
a
we're
going
to
have
to
obtain
the
consent
of
at
least
50
50,
plus
one
of
those
owners
prior
to
there
being
any
type
of
what
would
be
annexation
by
the
city.
I,
don't
want
to
call
it
involuntary
annexation,
because
the
property
owners
have
a
say
in
the
vote.
C
If
that
percentage
is
less
than
70
percent,
then
we
would
proceed
forward
and
there
is
a
Mech
there
is
that
mechanism,
which
would
be
it's
done
then,
by
ordinance
there
will
be
an
ordinance
that
proposes
the
annexation
of
that
area.
That
area
must
be
contiguous
compact,
similar
to
a
voluntary
annexation.
C
Then,
once
that
ordinance
is
adopted
through
a
method
of
the
same
method
of
any
ordinance
would
require
two
public
hearings.
The
final
effective
date
of
that
ordinance
is
subject
to
a
referendum
that
would
be
placed
to
the
quest
to
the
voters.
Now
the
city
has
the
option
of
presenting
that
referendum
question
to
both
the
area
to
be
annexed
and
the
air,
and
this
and
the
residents
of
the
city
of
Apopka,
who
are
doing
the
annexing
in
that
event,
that
vote
both
class
of
Voters
must
approve
the
annexation
by
majority
vote.
C
If
one
re,
if
annexation
fails
on
either
one,
if
the
city
says
yes
but
South,
Apopka
says
no
or
South
Apopka
says
yes
and
the
city
says
no,
the
annexation
fails.
You
actually
need
both
groups
to
vote
in
favor
of
annexation,
and
that
would
be
annexation
by
municipality,
the
third,
the
third
method
and
there's
and
then
there's
I
mean
there's
other
I'm
gonna
go
too
much
into
the
weeds
as
to
what
are
the
other.
C
Certain
Studies
have
to
be
made
certain
presentations
that
they
meet
made
to
the
county
prior
to
this
item
being
presented
for
a
vote
of
the
the
residents
one
of
the
third
for
background.
Third
methods
of
annexation
is,
what's
called
Enclave
annexation.
Unfortunately,
the
area
of
South
Apopka
is
too
large
to
be
considered
for
Enclave
annexation.
The
state
requires
that
if
you
have
an
enclave,
that's
110
acres
or
less
that
it
could
be
annexed
into
the
City
by
agreement
between
the
city
and
the
county.
C
In
this
case,
the
Orange
County
Commission
and
then
the
city
council,
if
adopted,
then
you
would
have
an
annexation
of
an
enclave
but,
as
I
said,
South
Apopka
is
too
large
to
fall
under
that
and
that's
110
acres,
a
minimum.
Sorry,
a
maximum
of
110
acres,
since
the
area
that
is
being
considered
and
studied
for
annexation
for
South
Apopka
is
greater
than
110
acres.
That
method
of
annexation
would
be
is
not
eligible
in
this
case
now.
The
fourth
and
this
is
for
background,
the
fourth
method
of
annexation
are
called
interlocal
interlocal
service,
boundary
agreements.
C
This
is
a
method-
that's
used
in
other
parts
of
the
State
of
Florida
to
allow
for
a
county
and
a
city
to
work
to
eventually
configure
the
boundaries
of
a
city
where
the
city
and
county
agree
to
Shared
responsibilities,
to
transition
of
responsibilities,
setting
up
a
framework
setting
up
timelines.
This
type
of
an
agreement
also
allows
for
properties
to
be
annexed
into
the
City,
and
they
do
not
have
to
be
what
I
what
I
stated
during
voluntary
annexation?
They
don't
have
to
be
contiguous.
C
You
don't
have
to
be
up
against
the
city
if
you're,
within
an
area
that
has
been
designated
by
the
city
and
county
as
the
interlocal
service
boundary
inside
that
interlocal
service
boundary
agreement
and
throughout
the
state.
These
are
known
as
isbas.
If
you
fall
within
the
red
line
of
the
isba,
you
can
come
in
to
be
annexed
and
you
don't
have
to
touch
the
city
certain
examples
of
this
if
you
ever
want.
If
you
go
online
and
you're
curious,
take
a
look
at
a
city
map
of
the
city
of
New,
Smyrna
Beach.
C
It
is
Swiss
cheese.
This
New
Smyrna
is
basically
two
separate
cities.
There's
a
group
west
of
I-95
group
grouping,
east
of
9.95
and
there's
a
pocket
quilt
of
properties
that
are
in
the
city
out
of
the
city.
Eventually,
the
plan
is-
and
this
was
by
agreement
with
both
the
city
and
the
county-
to
get
together
to
eventually
merge
that
and
become
one
city.
C
One
of
the
reasons
that
this
is
almost
dead
upon
arrival
is
that
at
least
the
prior
management
Folks
at
Orange
County
are
adamantly
against
entering
into
any
type
of
isba
with
any
City
in
the
in
the
county.
We
have
a
joint
planning
agreement.
City
of
Apopka
and
Orange
County
have
a
joint
planning
agreement,
but
expanding
that
joint
planning
agreement
to
include
some
of
the
requirements
and
guidelines
for
isbas.
C
C
First,
we
get
if,
if
we
need
the
consent
of
the
property
owners
that
has
to
be
obtained
before
the
city
can
even
consider
passing
the
ordinance
and
putting
it
up
for
a
referendum
of
the
voters.
So
that's
the
legal
background
in
the
process
for
annexation.
The
state
does
not
allow
for
any
other
type
of
method
of
annexation.
You
must
be
consistent
with
Florida
Statutes.
Cities
cannot
come
up
with
their
own
ways
or
means
to
Annex
properties.
C
D
E
E
D
And
I'm
commissioner
Kyle
Becker
I've,
been
on
the
city
council
for
six
years
now
and
again,
I
think
just
to
kind
of
set
the
table
and
I'll
let
the
other
speak
for
themselves,
but
during
all
of
our
campaigns
or
running
for
this
office.
The
conversation
and
this
topic
of
annexation
brought
annexation
of
South
Apopka
has
been
brought
up
to
a
certain
degree,
and
so
we
met
on
this.
D
It
was
in
October
or
November
trying
to
think
of
the
exact
date.
So
it
looks
like
we're.
Gonna
have
the
same
presentation,
so
I'll
speak
for
myself.
Personally,
if
I
don't
speak
up
a
whole
bunch
during
the
so
November
29th.
If
I
don't
speak
up
during
some
of
the
prison
presentation,
we
did
receive
this
back
in
November
and
I'm,
assuming
it's
the
same
information.
G
Commissioner,
Nick
Nestor
I
was
elected
last
year
in
March
and
very
excited
to
be
here,
and
we
are
looking
forward
to
hearing
from
you
guys
in
any
capacity.
Whatever
your
opinions
are
thoughts.
Any
questions
you
have
please
bring
them
up.
It's
a
very
valuable
time
for
all
of
us
to
hear
from
you.
Thank
you.
B
H
H
H
So
this
is
the
original
map
that
we
had
put
together
to
try
to
decipher
what
it,
what
makes
up
South
Apopka
and
basically
it's
all
Enclave
areas.
It's
surrounded
by
city
property
for
just
about
the
whole
area.
Orange
County
did
a
little
bit
of
more
deciphering
and
put
together
a
nice
little
map
that
as
I
go
through.
These
slides
it'll
have
a
lot
of
the
statistical
information
itself,
but
we're
made
up
it's
it's
about
a
little
over
a
thousand
acres,
there's
2340
Parcels
within
that
area
that
are
in
unincorporated,
Orange
County.
H
This
is
one
of
those
questions.
I
always
get.
You
know,
I
I
live
in
Apopka.
Can
you
tell
me
what
my
land
use
is
or
what
my
zoning
is
and
I
always
ask
their
address
and
then
I
plug
it
into
the
gis
information
database
for
Orange,
County,
property
appraiser
and
lo
and
behold
a
lot
of
times
people
don't
they
have
an
Apopka
mailing
address,
but
it's
not
actually
in
the
corporate
city
limits
of
Apopka.
So
that's
one
of
those
things.
That's
always
on
your.
H
It
is
on
your
tax
records
and
it
shows
either
APK
or
org
for
Orange,
County
or
Apopka.
So
in
this
case
the
Residential
Properties
like
I
mentioned.
There's
there
there
are
21
85
Residential
Properties
totals
about
seven
714
Acres
of
that
Thousand
Acres
that
that
that
is
in
that
in
this
District
of
those
we
have
1036
have
homestead
exemption.
That
means
obviously
they're
getting
exemptions
from
the
government
in
regards
to
their
taxes,
so
that
that's
a
little
it's
a
little
over
47
percent
of
those
properties
have
Homestead
exemptions.
H
This
is
the
this
is
the
actual.
It
shows
the
the
number
of
units
there
are
for
each
of
the
properties.
We've
got
a
couple
higher
density
areas
in
the
in
the
district.
One
actually
has
a
little
over
100
I
think
it's
120
units
actually
is
for
for
one
of
those
districts,
this
is
all
kind
of
progressive.
So
this
is
the
the
residential
portion
shows
the
market
value,
the
assessed
value
and
the
taxable
value.
H
Those
are
the
ones
that
are
on
your
tax
records
that
actually
shows
what
your
property
is
actually
worth
in
terms
of
the
taxes
themselves.
So
this
the
taxable
value,
that's
after
the
homestead
exemption
that
this
is
put
in
so
in
2021
taxes,
the
the
Orange
County
collected
a
total
of
3528
000
in
taxes
for
just
the
residential
property
alone,
and
then
we've
got
the
the
breakdown
for
commercial
and
Industrial,
and
governmental
and
I.
H
Think
there's
one
other
in
there
that
we'll
get
to
agriculture
is
in
there
also,
so
the
commercial
industrial
properties
and
there's
not
a
lot
in
this
area.
This
is
one
of
those
areas
that
obviously
we'd
like
to
have
a
little
bit
more
so
that
we
have
the
work
at
home
type
type
operations
where
you
can,
you
know,
drive
down
the
street
or
walk
down
the
street
and
go
to
work
and
then
come
back
rather
than
going
down
to
Orlando
or
any
other
City.
H
H
This
is
the
just
a
land
use
review
with
the
employment
sector,
agriculture,
forestry,
fishing,
hunting
that
that's
1500
jobs
in
that
in
this.
In
this
total
area,
the
next
highest
is
the
the
178,
which
is
waste
management
and
Remediation,
and
then
we've
got
wholesale
trade
and
construction
manufacturing.
It's
a
it
does
a
full,
fairly
good
gamut
between
the
different
types
of
jobs
that
are
available,
but
there's
there's
about
2265
jobs
in
in
South,
Apopka
alone.
H
H
H
I
Good
afternoon,
my
presentation
is
a
little
bit
shorter
than
the
first
presentation.
I
did
mainly
because
I
took
the
financial
part
out
of
it.
During
our
first
presentation,
it
was
for
the
Commissioners
and
just
to
show
what
some
of
the
physical
impacts
could
be.
I've
removed,
all
that
other
than
that.
It
is
pretty
much
the
same.
I
So,
although
we'll
cover
south
of
popcorn
presentation
will
address
challenges
we
currently
face
and
how
those
challenges
will
I
was
going
to
keep
it,
how
those
challenges
will
be
affected
by
any
large
annexation
of
an
existing
built
out
Community,
not
just
south
Apopka.
Each
year
we
plan
a
budget
for
the
current
and
integrated
and
intended
I'm
sorry
growth
of
the
city
to
ensure
we
will
have
resources
available,
provide
proper
law
enforcement
services
to
our
existing
community
and
the
plan
development.
I
The
annexation
of
any
large
built-out
community
will
have
a
will
have
to
be
planned
and
budgeted
prior
to
annexation
to
ensure
we're
able
to
meet
the
needs
of
our
current
planned
and
proposed
annexed
communities
without
proper,
long-term
strategic
planning
and
budget
preparation.
All
these
communities
could
see
an
immediate
and
significant
decrease
in
their
law
enforcement
service.
I
The
Apopka
Police
Department
Prides
itself
on
the
level
of
service
we
provide
to
our
community
and
we
find
ourselves
struggling
to
maintain
that
level
of
service
due
to
the
present
lack
of
law
enforcement
applicants,
increasing
crime
and
significant
growth.
The
intent
of
our
presentation
today
is
to
inform
the
residents
of
South
Apopka
of
the
current
status
of
the
Apopka
police
department
and
what
it
would
take
to
ensure
we
can
provide
them
with
the
same
level
of
service
or
better
than
they
currently
receive
from
the
Orange
County
Sheriff's
Office.
I
The
current
status
of
the
Apopka
Police
Department
before
we
can
look
at
the
annexation
of
any
large
built
out
Community.
They
will
immediately
require
law
enforcement
Services.
We
must
first
look
at
the
resources
we
have
to
service
our
current
community
and
what
it
will
take
to
continue
to
provide
our
current
level
of
service
to
our
existing
residents
plan
developments
and
the
proposed
annexed
area.
The
police
department's
current
per
capita
is
officers
per
thousand
residents
is
2.08
when
we
are
fully
staffed.
I
Our
per
capita
of
2.08
is
lower
than
the
state
average
of
2.33
and
lower
than
the
surrounding
cities.
Averages
of
2.31,
the
police
department,
currently
has
13
police
officer
vacancies,
which
brings
our
actual
per
capita
to
1.83
officers
per
1000
residents.
Additionally,
our
officers
per
square
mile
of
service
area
is
3.44,
while
the
surrounding
agencies
average
5.6
officers
per
square
mile.
I
Currently,
the
Apopka
police
department
has
authorized
122
swarm
positions,
but
has
13
vacancies
if
we
intend
to
provide
the
same
level
of
service
or
better
to
the
residents
living
in
the
proposed
annexation
area
of
South
Apopka
that
we
provide
to
our
current
residents.
We
have
to
ensure
we
have
the
proper
Staffing
in
place.
We
have
to
ensure
we
can
provide
service
to
the
residents
of
the
annex
area
by
ensuring
we
have
the
proper
per
capita
and
officer
per
square
mile
ratios.
I
These
ratios
need
to
be
aligned
need
to
be
aligned
with
the
state
average
and
that
of
the
surrounding
agencies.
In
order
to
attain
the
State
per
capita
average
of
2.33
officers
per
thousand
residents
are
authorized,
swarm
positions
to
just
re
to
just
service.
Our
current
residents
should
be
approximately
136
sworn
officers.
I
This
number
of
136
authorized
foreign
positions
is
not
just
based
on
per
capita,
but
it's
supported
by
the
number
of
officers
per
square
mile
in
the
surrounding
jurisdictions.
It
was
also
confirmed
by
the
independent
staff
study
conducted
by
the
Center
for
Public
Safety
during
the
public
safety
building
needs
assessment
based
on
these
numbers.
The
police
department
currently
needs
an
additional
14
authorized
swarm
positions.
This
is
in
addition
to
the
13
vacancies.
We
currently
have.
I
Based
on
the
boundaries
provided
for
the
area
to
be
annexed,
the
Orange
County
Planning
Department
estimates,
the
area
covers
1082
Acres
or
approximately
1.69
square
miles.
The
city
of
Apopka
currently
covers
approximately
35.5
square
miles
in
physical
year
2122,
the
Apopka
Police
Department
responded
to
84
000
a
little
over
84
000
calls
for
service
which
breaks
down
to
approximately
7036
calls
for
service
per
month
or
2300
calls
for
service
per
square
mile.
I
In
2021,
the
Orange
County
Sheriff's
Office
responded
to
7
600
calls
for
service
in
the
proposed
annexation
area
of
approximately
1.69
square
miles
in
2022.
The
sheriff's
office
is
on
Pace
to
answer
approximately
8
900
calls
for
service
in
the
area
proposed
to
be
annexed.
This
equates
to
approximately
745
calls
for
service
per
month
or
5200
calls
for
service
per
square
mile
annexing
the
1.69
square
miles
of
South
Apopka
result
would
result
in
an
approximate
increase
in
overall
cost
for
service
of
10.59
percent.
I
I
County
Planning
division
within
the
area
to
be
annexed.
There
are
2185
built
residential
units
and
387
vacant
residential
lots.
According
to
the
city
of
Apopka
Community
Development
Department
in
2022,
they
were
an
average
of
2.72
persons
per
household
in
the
city
of
Apopka.
Based
on
these
numbers,
the
proposed
annexation
area
would
incorporate
approximately
5
900
new
residents
into
the
city
of
Apopka.
To
maintain
our
current
per
capita
of
2.08
officers
per
1000
residents.
I
We
would
need
an
additional
12
police
officer
officers
to
ensure
we
are
providing
the
residents
in
the
annexed
area
with
at
least
the
same
level
of
service.
We
provide
our
current
residents.
If
we
want
to
achieve
the
state
average
of
2.33
officers
per
1000
residents
in
the
annexed
area,
we
would
need
an
additional
14
police
officers
for
patrol
in
one
additional
school
resource
officer.
I
Remember,
we
currently
have
13
vacancies
that
we
need
to
fill,
so
the
additional
14
officers
needed
for
the
annex
area
annexed
area
would
bring
the
total
number
of
officers
needed
by
the
Apopka
Police
Department
to
27..
With
regards
to
the
2185
built
residential
units.
These
include
an
apartment,
complex,
an
assisted
living
home
and
some
rooming
houses
which
possibly
increase
the
density
above
the
2.72
residents
per
household
that
the
city
of
Apopka
uses.
So
the
actual
number
of
citizens
reside
in
the
area
may
be
a
little
bit
more
than
the
estimated
5900..
I
The
387
vacant
Lots
within
the
proposed
annexation
area
vary
in
size
and
could
be
built
out
with
a
higher
density.
In
addition
to
the
police
officers
needed
to
patrol
the
proposed
annexation
area,
as
I
mentioned,
there's
an
elementary
school
Phyllis
Wheatley
and
we
would
need
an
SRO
to
be
assigned
to
it.
This
increases
our
number
of
officers
needed
to
a
minimum
of
15.
I
As
growth
continues
to
occur
across
the
city
as
expected
that
our
population
will
increase
by
approximately
27
000
new
residents
within
the
next
10
years,
the
exact
timing
of
the
growth
is
unknown.
However,
at
this
time,
growth
across
the
city
of
Apopka
is
happening
at
a
rapid
Pace.
This
growth
will
continue
and
it
will
require
an
additional
56
police
officers
just
to
maintain
our
current
per
capita
of
2.0
eight
officers
per
1000
residents,
which
again
is
below
the
state
average
of
2.33
officers
per
one
thousand.
I
If
we
were
try,
if
we
try
to
obtain
the
current
state
average
of
2.33
officers
per
1000
residents,
we
would
need
an
additional
63
authorized
law
enforcement
positions.
This
is,
in
addition
to
our
current
needs
to
fill
vacant
positions,
increase
our
per
capita
and
provide
law
enforcement
services
to
to
the
proposed
annexation
area.
These
numbers
are
only
for
swarm.
Personnel
do
not
include
support
staff
such
as
dispatchers
records,
clerks
Etc.
That
would
be
needed
over
the
next
five
years
to
support
the
sworn
staff
and
accommodate
this
growth.
I
The
planned
and
future
growth
of
the
city
will
continue
to
increase
in
our
needs
in
the
future
will
even
be
greater
every
budget
year.
We
come
to
the
city
council
with
adjusted
numbers
due
to
the
increase
in
homes
under
construction
or
planned,
and
although
this
trend
may
slow
down
due
to
the
current
economy,
I,
don't
believe
any
of
us
see
this
trend.
Stopping.
I
Any
attempt
to
Annex
a
large
build-out
community
around
the
city
of
Apopka
would
require
significant
strategic
planning
to
ensure
we
could
meet
the
needs
of
our
current
and
planned
communities,
as
well
as
a
community
being
annexed
into
the
city.
We
need
to
ensure
that
we
can
provide
the
residents
of
the
annex
properties
with
the
same
level
of
law
enforcement
service.
We
provide
our
current
residents
while
also
ensuring
we
don't
do
not
decrease
the
level
of
service
we
provide
to
our
existing
residents
as
a
result
of
the
annexation.
I
Although
we're
making
progress
and
filling
our
current
vacancies,
as
mentioned,
we
currently
have
13
authorized
positions
to
fill
in
addition
to
the
13
vacancies.
If
we
want
to
achieve
the
state
average
per
capita
of
2.33
officers
per
thousand
residents,
we
need
an
additional
14
authorized
swarm
positions.
If
we
Annex
a
proposed
area,
we
we
would
need
at
least
an
additional
14
officers,
in
addition
to
the
14
needed
in
case
our
to
increase
our
per
capita
based
on
the
information
provided.
I
If
we
were
to
Annex
the
residents
of
South
Apopka
without
a
long-term
strategic
plan
in
place,
I
do
not
believe
we
can
provide
the
residents
of
South
Apopka
with
the
same
level
of
law
enforcement
service
they
currently
receive.
Our
current
communications
center
is
built
out.
We
don't
have
room
to
add
any
more
staff
until
we
complete
the
new
public
safety
building.
I
Good
news
is
they
looking
like,
maybe
two
two
and
a
half
years,
and
we
can
have
that
built.
So
we
also
lack
the
space
in
our
current
building
to
house
more
Personnel.
This
by
no
means
means
that
we
cannot
provide
services
in
the
future
if
we
properly
plan
for
them
in
advance.
However,
it
will
take
several
years
for
us
to
be
able
to
provide
South
Apopka
with
adequate
law
enforcement
Services,
while
ensuring
we
continue
to
provide
the
same
level
of
service
to
our
current
residents.
I
Annex
considerations,
if
we
were
to
Annex
this
area,
we
would
be
looking
at
hiring
42
police
officers
to
ensure
to
ensure
we
continue
to
provide
everyone
with
the
same
level
of
service.
We
currently
provide
hiring
42
police
officers
in
in
today's
market
is
going
to
be
challenging.
We
just
recently
learned
that
three
equivalent
equivalent
training
classes,
out
of
which
is
out
of
State
Certified
police
officers,
were
canceled
due
to
a
lack
of
registered
students.
I
We
should
not
Annex
any
large
area
with
a
current
residential
population
without
first
having
the
resources
in
place
to
cover
the
annexed
area.
Not
having
the
resources
in
place
prior
to
the
annexation
would
cause
a
decrease
in
law
enforcement
services
for
our
current
residents
and
those
residing
in
the
annexed
area.
During
this
presentation,
we've
only
addressed
warm
police
officers
after
this
a
couple
times,
but
we're
going
to
need
additional
staff,
such
as
Communications
technicians,
records,
clerks
and
possibly
an
additional
code
enforcement
officer.
I
Did
it
click
over
there
we
go.
Can
we
do
this?
Yeah?
We
can
Annex
South
Apopka
we
can
accomplish
a
large
annexation
of
a
surrounding
built
out
area,
however,
is
going
to
take
strategic
planning
and
preparation
to
accomplish.
First,
we
have
to
ensure
our
current
level
of
service
we
provide.
Our
existing
residents
is
at
least
equal
to
the
state
and
local
average
of
officers
per
1000
and
officers
per
square
mile.
We
need
to
make
certain
our
staffing
levels
at
all
times,
Safeguard
the
well-being
of
our
police
officers.
I
We
also
need
to
ensure
we
properly
prepare
for
the
currently
approved
and
planned
growth
the
city
is
experiencing.
Finally,
we
need
to
have
the
resources
in
place
prior
to
the
annexation
of
any
large
populated
area
to
ensure
we
can
immediately
provide
them
with
at
least
the
same
level
of
service
they
are
currently
receiving.
If
the
residents
of
South
Apopka
wish
to
be
annexed
into
the
city
of
Apopka,
the
Apopka
police
department
will
be
there
to
assist
in
working
on
a
strategic
plan
that
will
ensure
we
have
the
proper
law
enforcement
coverage.
I
I
If
we
take
the
time
to
bring
the
stakeholders
together
and
develop
a
well-thought-out
strategic
plan
with
the
proper
resources
in
place,
the
men
and
women
of
the
Apopka
Police
Department
would
be
able
to
address
the
additional
calls
for
service
and
strive
to
ensure
the
residents
of
South
Apopka
are
provided
with
the
same
level
of
law
enforcement
service.
Our
current
residents
receive.
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J
Currently
our
Municipal
City
Limits,
so
the
city
of
Apopka
are
35.5
square
miles,
Orange
County
contract.
We
cover
an
additional
60
with
the
Orange
County
contracts,
additional
65.19
square
miles.
So
quite
a
large
area.
We
cover
with
the
fire
department
separate
from
the
police
department,
because
we
already
have
a
contractual
agreement
with
the
north
side
of
Orange
County.
J
But
basically,
our
current
Municipal
limits
cover
35.5
square
miles.
We
also
have
a
contract
area
on
the
north
side
of
our
district,
which
we
contract
with
Orange
County
to
Cover
Orange,
County,
State,
old
Orange
County
station
29.,
so
that
total
area
we
cover
is
different
than
the
police
department.
We
cover
a
total
of
65.19
square
miles.
J
The
population
density
of
our
current
city
is
116.
1
616
residents
per
square
mile,
including
the
contract
areas
957
residents
per
square
mile.
The
area
to
be
annexed
is
approximately
1.69
square
miles
again
with
those
2185
built
residential
units
and
the
average
of
2.72
per
household.
That's
going
to
be
approximately
59
5900
new
residents.
That's
a
population
density
of
35
16
per
mile,
so
quite
quite
a
dense
area
for
us
as
Chief
McKinney
is
speaking
about.
J
The
fire
department
also
has
a
average
per
thousand
of
2.3
in
our
just
the
city
alone.
In
the
contract
area,
it's
2.11,
firefighters
per
thousand.
So
again,
that's
something!
We
want
to
make
sure
that
we
maintain
with
the
possible
annexation
for
both
our
current
residents
and
potential
new
residents.
J
Again,
our
current
call
volume
for
our
city,
our
station
one
runs
three
3319
calls
per
service
per
year.
The
South
Apopka
study
area,
1808
calls
for
service
area,
we
just
talked
about,
and
you
can
see
the
rest
of
our
stations
fall
below
that
1744
for
station
two,
and
you
can
see
as
they
go.
Basically,
this
means
it
would
be
a
16.4
percent
increase
total
for
our
fire
department.
J
What's
that
going
to
take
again
additional
fire
station
required
hiring
of
18
firefighters,
15
would
be
so
be
five
on
shift
per
day.
The
additional
three
would
be
for
people
naming
time
off.
In
other
words,
we
have
to
hire
over
hire
for
and
allow
enough
people
to
be
off
for
that
time.
So,
18,
18,
firefighters,
again
Capital
costs
with
a
new
station
new
engine
and
our
city
administrator
is
going
to
get
more
into
that
stuff
for
now,
but
to
Echo
what
Chief
McKinley
said
earlier.
J
Any
annexation
of
a
large
community
definitely
involves
significant
planning
these.
These
resources,
we're
talking
about
getting
in
place,
need
to
be
in
place
before
so
we
can
continue
to
serve
the
current
community
and
the
community
being
annexed.
Resources
again
need
to
be
in
place
prior.
We
don't
want
to
do
this,
because
without
this
we
would
significantly
decrease
response
times
to
both
current
and
potential
future
residents
and
also
units
available
to
our
service
area,
and
that's
it.
K
Brad
Williams,
Parks
and
Rec
director
good
afternoon
I'll
be
brief.
When
looking
at
the
annex,
annexed
area
or
potential
annexed
area,
there
are
two
areas
of
recreation
facilities
that
we
would
look
at
just
again
to
plan,
no
guarantee
that
any
of
these
would
come
our
way.
One
of
those
is
Wheatley
Park
located
by
the
elementary
school.
Some
property
highlights
at
six
acre.
Park
includes
basketball
courts,
tennis
courts,
Fitness
path,
playground,
Picnic,
Area,
Rental,
Pavilion
and
sand
volleyball.
K
The
other
recreation
facility
is
actually
where
we're
at
today
the
John
H
Bridges,
Community
Center
property
highlights
14.15
Acres.
It
provides
a
multitude
of
services
through
Orange
County,
the
Community
Action
Partnership,
educational
programs,
job
training,
Senior
Services,
home
Energy,
Efficiency
assistance
and
a
Head
Start
program.
K
Orange
County
was
gracious
enough
to
provide
us
some
of
their
annual
maintenance
cost
estimates
just
as
a
reference
point
we
plugged
in
some
estimated
annual
Personnel
costs
of
note
just
doesn't
include
any
benefits,
that'd
be
determined
on
how
we
would
staff
the
facility.
If
that
came
to
that
point,
and
that's
all
we
have
for
parks
and
rec.
Thank.
K
K
A
L
L
The
infrastructure
and
the
basis
of
my
presentation
is
based
on
the
annex
area
is
1.69
square
mile.
There's
25.84
miles
of
Broadway
94
Acres
of
right
away,
14
retention
points.
Seven
is
known
as
msbu
7,
msbu
10
miles
of
Corp
Street
and
22
000
2200
residents,
the
maintenance,
the
maintenance
service.
Should
this
be
Annex,
we
are
going
to
provide
the
water
sewer
and
reclaimed
Services,
sanitation,
Street,
Maintenance,
storm
water,
well,
maintenance,
and
there
is
some
existing
Contracting
agreement
which
we
will
have
to
take
over
with
respect
to
the
water,
sewer
and
reclaimed
services.
L
You
are
already
the
annex
area
of
Southern.
Parkway
is
already
within
the
existing
utility
service
area,
so
limited
reclaimed,
customers
is
in
this
area,
and
this
area
is
within
a
septic
to
see
will
be
Pima
area.
What
is
happening
in
this
area
in
annexation
would
not
affect
this
because
you're
already
receiving
that
service
from
the
city
of
Apopka
with
respect
to
sanitation,
the
sanitation
has
been
provided
Now
by
Orange
County,
so
should
city
of
popca
should
do
annexing
city
of
popular.
L
L
L
The
annual
operating
cost
will
be
estimated
in
in
the
amount
of
600k,
but
I
think
that
will
be
come
out
in
a
wash
from
this
from
the
feed
that
you'll
be
paying
with
respect
to
Street
Maintenance,
we
will
be
providing
the
right
of
emoyan
potholes
pastries,
pavement
signing
existing
sidewalk
Will
Repair
street
sweeping
tree
trimming,
Street
resurfacing
and
sitting
call
in
order
for
us.
This
is
the
current
service
is
provided
to
you
by
Orange
County.
L
L
We
estimate
that
you
will
not
have
well
any
startup
cost
for
that,
because
you
will
be
paying
a
utility
fee
right
with
this
25
per
month
and
that
we're
able
to
cover
that
cost
with
respect
to
the
existing
contract.
Currently,
now
there
is
a
msbu
contract
for
retention.
Point
I'm,
an
msbu
for
Street
lighting,
the
city
of
Apopka
region
have
that
with
Orange
County,
so
there
will
have
to
be
a
discussion
with
them.
L
So,
in
summary,
if
designation
to
take
place,
we
have
for
sanitation,
we
have
a
startup
cost
of
1.6
million
dollars
and
the
annual
operating
cost
will
be
600k.
Should
this
take
place,
I
think
that
the
fees
that
you
are
going
to
pay
will
cover
this.
Just
the
startup
cost
will
be
something
new
will
have
to
be
covered
with
respect
to
the
streetcars.
The
startup
costs
should
be
250k
and
the
annual
cost
would
be
600k
and
the
storm
water.
We
have
a
startup
cost
of
zero
and
the
annual
operation
cost
should
be
100K
and
I.
L
Think
from
your
stormwater
fee.
There
may
be
some
supplementation
here,
but
it
will
cover
that
maintenance
for
the
MSB
you
pawn
and
any
other
infrastructure
Will
Repair,
and
with
that,
the
summary
we
have
the
startup
cost
will
be
1.,
1.92
million,
which
is
be
new
fund.
We
have
to
do
and
yeah
don't
well.
Maintenance
cost
is
1.3
million
dollars,
and
that
concludes
my
presentation.
M
In
regards
to
the
physical
forecast,
the
total
taxable
value
for
this
particular
area.
South
Apopka
is
totaling
about
225
million
225.6
based
on
that
and
what
the
millage
rate
is
for
Orange
County
at
the
4.048
that
generates
about
913
000
in
property
taxes
annually
in
regards
to
that
compared
to
the
city
of
apopka's
millage
rate
at
4.18.
That's
about
944
000.6.
M
The
list
below
identifies
the
cost
that
has
been
shared
with
you
by
each
director
for
their
respective
areas
in
regards
to
police
and
fire
for
operating
costs
and
additional
personnel
you're.
Looking
at
two
million
126.,
some
additional
operating
costs
about
a
hundred
thousand
bringing
that
down,
as
you
can
see
that
961
81
000,
that's
the
deficit
at
this
point,
just
looking
at
police
and
fire
operating
costs
on
an
annual
basis.
M
In
addition
to
that,
before
we
get
to
the
additional
operating
costs
in
order
to
bring
police
and
fire,
they
mentioned
engines,
ambulance,
additional
vehicles
for
police,
and
it
may
require
an
additional
fire
station.
That's
another
5.1
million
dollars,
adding
on
the
additional
operating
costs
for
public
service
that
Mr
do
just
shared
with
you.
We're
only
looking
at
six
hundred
thousand
for
streets,
the
other
fees
for
storm
Water
Sanitation,
though
that
cost
will
be
covered
through
the
fees,
parks
and
recs.
Again,
everything
is
negotiable.
M
You're,
looking
at
the
disc
Center
here,
an
additional
398
000
and
the
Wheatley
Park
an
additional
44
000
to
staff
and
maintain
those
facilities
so
overall
from
an
operating
standpoint,
you're
looking
at
a
loss
of
two
million
dollars,
that
does
not
include
the
capital
loss
and
if
we
finance
that
with
debt
that
we
have
to
pay
an
annual
fee
of
632
000,
but
just
focusing
on
the
operating
loss
of
two
million
dollars.
How
we're
going
to
recover
those
funds
on
an
annual
basis.
M
It
will
require
now
I,
don't
know
how
to
move
this
next
slide
going
to
the
millage
I
did
it
that
increase
in
the
middle
age
rate
that
is
currently
at
the
4.1876
to
about
4.5
just
to
cover
that
1.9.
And
if
that,
if
we
want
to
include
that
the
coverage
of
that
debt
service,
you
can
increase
it
to
by
the
up
to
0.55
increase
to
cover
that
2.6
million.
This
is
just
an
overview
snapshot
of
the
estimated
cost
associated
with
annexing
South
Apopka.
M
A
N
So
I
actually
have
a
few
questions
sure
and
the
first
one
is
I,
hear
everything
I
hear
everything
dealing
with
numbers
and
money.
So
what
I
would
like
to
know
is
what
are
the
incentives
that
you
I
don't
hear
anything
about
incentives
to
help
the
residents
of
South
Apopka
I've
been
here,
I
was
born
and
raised
here.
N
The
community
overall
are
a
lot
of
elderly
people.
Fixed
incomes
with
the
cost
of
living
now
is
a
bad
time
to
increase
property
taxes,
to
increase
anything
the
thing
with
the
septic
to
sewer
I,
just
think
the
timing
is
off,
so
I
would
like
to
know
what
do
you
plan
to
do
with
the
residents
of
South
Apopka
and
what
I'm
talking
about
is
really
I,
don't
hear
anything
about
helping
the
youth
I
hear
about
infrastructure
and
all
this
other
stuff,
but
what
I
want
to
know?
N
N
A
E
B
D
And
can
I
use
a
quick
analogy
because
you
touched
on
it
perfectly
when
you
started
your
comments.
Sure
you
know
everybody
in
here
most
likely
has
sat
in
the
finance
manager's
room
of
a
car
dealership
right,
and
you
start
talking
about
your
car,
payment
and
warranties
and
the
cost
of
these
warranties
and
you're
just
like
well
pump
the
brakes
pun
intended.
D
What
kind
of
car
is
going
to
meet
my
needs?
Do
I
even
need
a
car,
and
so
the
point
being
is
that,
in
all
fairness,
if
I
was
sitting
in
my
office
at
the
bank,
what
staff
just
went
through
in
terms
of
you
know
infrastructure?
What's
it
going
to
cost
what
consideration
considerations
do
we
have
to
make
in
that
regard
all
day
long?
But
in
this
conversation
it's
more
about
hearing
this
shouldn't
be
a
top-down,
a
city.
You
know
pushing
this
initiative
onto
other
people.
D
It
should
be
there's
a
true
desire
from
the
residents
that
live
in
the
unincorporated
section
of
Orange
County
that
really
see
value
in
coming
to
our
city
and
that's
what
it's
always
been
about
for
me
personally,
it's
you
know
through
certain
incidents.
I
would
say:
there's
a
lot
of
incident-led
discussions
around
annexation,
there's
also
City
residents
that
talk
about
the
value
of
it.
D
There's
County
residents
that
talk
about
the
value
of
it,
so
I
think,
instead
of
like
fulfilling
a
campaign
promise
to
actually
do
it,
it's
more
about
a
campaign
promise
to
have
this
level
of
conversation,
and
so,
when
all
the
next
you
know,
speakers
or
followers
that
come
there
to
the
lectern
like
you
are
I
want
to
hear
of
what
do
you?
What
do
you
think
the
value
or
the
driver
is
of
you
to
contemplate
wanting
to
even
Explore
this?
D
The
last
the
last
meeting
that
we
had
in
November
it
was
brought
up
that
I
think
we
really
need
to
take
inventory
of
what
people's
opinions
are
on
this
matter,
because
again
there
could
be
a
myriad
of
root
causes
that
lead
people
to
want
to
Annex
into
the
city
of
Apopka.
It
may
be:
hey
I,
don't
feel
like
I'm
represented
properly
by
the
county
Representatives
that
represent
me
I'm,
just
using
as
an
example
not
reality,
it
could
be.
D
Hey
I
think
you
know
if
deodat,
just
who
just
spoke
from
public
services
perspective,
if
I
think
that
my
roads
aren't
in
a
condition
where
I
and
I
feel
like
the
city
could
address
it
better
or
law
enforcement
I
feel
like
it
would
have
a
better
quality
of
service
there.
We
just
really
want
to
understand
what
is
the
current
landscape
of
of
residents
in
unincorporated
sections
to
say:
hey
here's,
the
problem
statement
that
we
have
currently
because
the
resolution
to
that
problem
statement
may
not
be
full
annexation.
D
It
may
not
be
an
investment
of
a
whole
bunch
of
capital,
expense
or
operating
expense
to
make
it
happen
at
the
end
of
the
day.
It's
about
outcome
and
the
outcome
is
better
positive
life
day
to
day
for
residents
here,
and
so
I
just
want
to
hear
that
feedback
from
from
you
all,
because
I
come
at
it
from
a
blank
slate.
N
Right
well,
I
can
only
speak
for
myself
and
at
this
point
totally
against
it,
like
I
said,
the
cost
of
living
is
increased.
Everything
I
cannot
afford
to
pay
anything
for
what
is
a
21
point,
something
percent
an
increase
of
property
taxes,
the
change
over
to
septic
to
sewer
Jess.
It's
just
a
bad
timing.
To
me.
It's
just.
A
Bad
timing-
and
your
first
question
is
the
numbers
we
gave
you
are:
is
status
quo,
we're
not
adding
any
any
value
if
you,
if
you're
looking
for
additional
value
the
status
quo
other
than
you
get
one
more
garbage
pickup
a
week,
but
that's
all
we're
giving
you
additional
to
what
you're.
So
we
had
to
start.
We
had
to
have
a
start
from
a
Level
Playing
Field,
which
is
you
want.
The
Staffing
like
you've
got
no
better.
No
worse,
I
mean
maybe
a
little
better
just
because
you
know
we're
a
smaller
municipality.
A
A
C
I
mean
the
timing
is
all
dependent
on
whether
it's
going
to
move
forward
or
not
and
I.
Think
once
if
the
policy
of
the
board
is
to
the
council
is
to
move
forward,
first
would
have
to
actually,
if
we'd
have
to
first
examine
whether
we
had
that
threshold
of
70
of
the
property
owners
within
the
annexation
area
are
corporations
or
landlords
who
don't
who
are
not
electors
in
the
area
and
then
we'd
have
to
complete
that
survey.
If,
if
it's
at
that
threshold,
that's
a
big.
C
C
So,
if
that
were
to
move
forward,
it's
going
to
depend
on
when
the
two
hearings
are
going
to
be
set
and
then
slot
it
into
when
an
election.
Usually
it's
most
cost
effective
to
hold
an
election
during
a
general
election
so
that
we
can
piggyback
our
costs
with
the
supervisor
of
elections,
so
that
leaves
it
open.
I
mean.
There's
no
set
time
frame
as
to
when
we're
going
to
start
we're
going
to
work
at
this
is
the
time
frame
we're
looking
at
probably
a
possible
election
and
we
work
backwards
from
there.
E
N
O
O
O
That's
my
first
question
because
other
people
want
to
talk
so
I'm
not
going
to
hold
it.
My
second
question
is
I
heard
nothing
zero
of
what
any
of
you
had
to
say
to
support
this
annexation.
It
was
negative
negative
negative
from
every
one
of
these
people.
Here
every
single
thing
was
negative,
negative
negative.
So
you
don't
want
it
just
say
that
wait,
wait!
O
The
other
thing
I
have
to
say.
Is
we
sit
in
South
Apopka
they're
from
my
house.
I
can
see
all
this
new
growth,
the
buildings
and
everything
else,
but
the
police
department
is
going
to
be
able
to
support
them
by
a
Department
financial.
All
these
people,
who
can't
support
Apopka,
who
supported
the
city
of
Apopka.
O
You
now
say
you
can't
support
us,
but
you
can
support
all
this
new
growth.
How
are
you
supporting
new
growth
without
your
extra
15
police
cops
and
your
extra
fire
department
I'm
just
wondering.
There's
too
many
people
in
the
South
Apopka
who
have
worked
hard
for
the
city,
everybody
that
goes
to
work?
They
come
back
and
spend
their
money
in
the
city.
So
all
your
new
growth
is
on
their
backs
too,
and
all
these
meetings
you
have
are
negative
negative
negative.
G
What
if
I,
can't
just
briefly
comment
on
that
that
I
know
the
reason
I
am
personally
here:
I'm,
not
going
to
speak
for
anybody
else
up
here.
I
want
to
hear
from
you
I'm
here
to
support
you
in
whatever
capacity
you
would
want
it.
So
I
don't
have
a
a
preconceived
notion,
a
preconceived
agenda,
there's
benefits
and
there's
costs
and
benefits
so
and
if,
if
there's
an
I
I
feel
from
what
I've
heard,
there's
an
intrinsic
value
to
be
part
of
the
city
you
these
residents
shop
in
within
the
city
limits.
G
P
P
If
annotation
happened,
why
are
we
talking
about
Wheatley?
Why
are
we
talking
about
John
Bridges?
If
we
become
citizens
of
the
city,
would
we
be
able
to
share
into
the
amenities
out?
On
the
other
side,
up
brown?
Jason
dwelling
we'll
be
a
part
of
the
city
correct
now
for
his
maintenance,
the
maintenance
man
right
here
we
talking
about
sidewalks.
We
ain't
got
to
dig
up
no
sidewalks.
We
already
got
sidewalks.
P
P
P
It's
just
that
simple!
Now,
I
wanna
I
just
want
to
share
this
and
I'll
I'll
move
out
the
way
we
got
a
pretty
big
crowd
around
here
tonight
and
this
crowd
should
be
Fuller
than
this.
But
mayor
you
can
seem
to
find
a
way
you
always
can
find
a
way
to
disenfranchise.
Folks,
if
you
look
down
on
13th
Street,
you
see
it
say
on
on
the
sign
down.
There
commute
oh
well
Community
meet
you
got
it
on
Apopka,
well,
paid
annexation.
P
P
P
If
you
don't
want
the
people,
I
live,
I
live
up
round
to
the
lake
up
there.
Now
we
just
put
they
just
put
in
48
houses
on
Binion
red
on
lust
I,
believe
they
putting
in
60
or
so
then
you're
gonna
go
on
up
around
Jason
dwelling
I.
Think
it's!
The
total
of
three
thousand
I
just
need
someone
to
tell
me
from
your
staff
how
many
presentations
did
y'all
give
them
that
were
going
to
cost
them?
P
How
many
police
departments,
how
many
fighter
parts
now
for
the
for
the
police
department
and
I'll
leave
it
with
this,
since
he
need
to
I
think
it
was
27
police
that
they
need
to
add
here.
14.
well,
I
think
we
need
to
add
at
least
three
more
to
the
city
of
Apopka,
Police
Department,
because
I
believe
in
the
last
two
months
we
had
two
police
department
that
was
arrested
for
DUI,
so
sweep
around
your
own
front
door
before
you
sweep
around
these
people's
down
here.
Q
Q
Q
Q
Can
anyone
y'all
answer
that
they
grow
within
the
last
10
years
in
a
pop?
No,
you
don't
care
about
that.
You
didn't
care
about
your
police
moves,
your
farmers,
you
didn't
come
up
Beyond
and
raise
that
question,
but
every
time
it
comes
the
annexation
us
you'll
have
a
problem
like
you
want
to
tell
us
what
we
don't
want,
because
we
are
not
here
the
reason
we
are
not
here,
because
you
don't
invite
us.
Q
Q
Q
D
And
I'll
be
first
to
say
if
I've
come
across
as
negative
on
this
topic,
that
is
certainly
not
my
intent
and
that's
certainly
not
been
my
behavior
on
this
matter
for
the
past
few
years.
You
know
when
you
look
I'm
the
way
that
we
started.
This
presentation
off,
we
talked
about
creating
enclaves
have
punch
it
up,
go
to
google.com
maps
and
just
punch
in
a
pocket.
D
Where's
The
Enclave,
it's
South,
Apopka
we're
developing
all
around
Apopka,
and
we
we
can't
continue
to
have
this
conversation
of
we're
going
to
continue
down
that
path,
because
it's
not
I
I,
don't
believe.
That's
the
right
path,
long
term
and
taught
in
terms
of
population
growth,
I
mean
we've
grown
double
since
the
past
20
years.
Our
population
is
double
you're
right
in
the
past
20
years,
and
and
if
my
analogy
before
didn't
come
across
is
right:
I
apologize,
but
the
point
being
at
the
last
meeting.
D
We
shouldn't
be
talking
dollars
and
cents
right
now
shouldn't
matter
what
the
cost
is.
At
this
point
of
the
conversation,
this
point
of
the
conversation
should
all
be
be
all
about
what
is
going
to
be
an
outcome.
A
positive
outcome
for
the
people
impacted
on
this
piece
of
business
that
we're
talking
about.
I
come
if
I've
come
across
as
negative.
I
apologize,
but
I
have
a
very
open
mind
when
it
comes
to
talking
about
the
situation
and
that's
and
to
Commissioners.
That's
a
point.
You
know
it's.
Q
D
Spoke
to
them
and
that's
what
I
want
to
do
this,
this
type
of
forum
again
with
how
we
official,
because
we
in
government
we
want
to
be
as
transparent
and
open
as
possible,
I'm
speaking
for
myself
here
and
so
yeah
we've
had
these
conversations
individually,
but
individual
conversations
can
get
misconstrued.
They
can
be
deter
deciphered
in
different
ways.
Q
The
poem
you
know
my
action:
how
can
they
you
never
asked
them
now?
One
of
them
could
say
that
there's
something
no
flaws
to
none
of
their
houses
and
ask
them
do
they
want
to
be?
And
next
you
didn't
do
that.
So
how
do
you
know
what
they
want
you,
assuming
that's
all
you're
doing.
You
can't
speak
for
these
people.
D
Q
E
You
have
given
us
a
challenge
to
do
that
over
the
years,
I
can
tell
you
that
I've
spoken
to
many
of
the
residents
that
do
live
in
South
Apopka
and
the
one
thing
that
they
I
constantly
hear
is
well.
When
is
it
going
to
happen,
and
so
you
have
challenged
us
and
you
are
correct
about
the
time
four
o'clock
is
inconvenient
because
you
know
in
South
Apopka
there
are
a
lot
of
Working
Families
and
they
don't
get
home
till
six.
E
So
we
can
always
have
another
time
that
we
could
do
this
and
we're
going
to
continue
to
do
this
until
we
get
it
right.
You
have
challenged
us
tonight
and
I'll.
Tell
you
what
we
are
going
to
go
out
there
I
am
going
to
go
out
there
and
start
asking
and
start
asking
some
of
the
residents.
What
do
you
want?
What
is
it
that's
going
to
make
you
feel
like?
E
E
It
is
the
mayor
who
sets
the
agenda
for
the
city
of
Apopka,
and
it
is
the
Commissioners
who
also
challenge
the
mayor
to
say
these
workshops
were
because
of
us,
because
we
felt
it
was
important
to
have
this
Workshop
to
at
least
open
it
up
for
discussion
to
give
the
residents
of
South
Apopka
an
opportunity
to
express
what
they
wanted
and
that's.
Why
we're
here
and
again,
as
you
heard
from
the
very
beginning,
every
presentation
that
they
made
I
asked.
When
do
we
ask
the
questions?
E
This
was
just
a
whole
bunch
of
numbers
and
what
it
was
going
to
cause
and
you're
right.
You
have
challenged
Us
in
the
idea
that,
as
we
are
growing
the
rest
of
Apopka,
we
seem
to
be
meeting
the
demands
and
being
able
to
provide
that
level
of
service.
So
why
is
it
such
a
difficult
decision
for
the
South
hippopotica?
R
I'm
Clinton
Stanley
I'm,
pretty
much
coach,
I
am
South
Apopka
and
when
I
say
that
I
am
product
of
every
elderly
in
here
I'm
product
of
them
I'm
that
kid.
That
was
a
part
of
the
problem
in
South,
Africa
and
I've,
been
around
41
years,
and
when
I
tell
you
it
hasn't
changed
and
who,
who
was
in
charge
of
putting
this
meeting
together
here?
R
R
So
I
mean
I'm.
Just
being
totally
honest,
the
infrastructure
is
not
where
it's
supposed
to
be.
We
all
know
that
this
annexation
is
just
a
tax
and
dollar
land
grab.
We
know
that
so,
let's
get
to
the
point
of
saying
the
mayor.
He
don't
want
us
to
be
a
part
of
the
city
because
it's
been
40
years,
30
50
years
since
the
didel
and
all
those
different
annexations,
Miss
Francine
Boykin
has
all
the
paperwork,
and
it's
been
that
long.
R
That
smile
down,
that
that
don't
fool
nobody,
no
more,
because
we
sick
and
tired
of
just
seeing
that
smile.
We
want
to
see
some
results,
people
doing
what
they're
elected
to
do
simple
as
that
and
I'm
I'm,
not
here
to
make
no
friends
because
I'm,
my
only
friend
but
Christine
Moore,
you
need
to
hold
yourself
accountable,
you
and
your
Board
of
Commissioners
and
Jerry
demons,
because
I
don't
see
him
in
South
apocal.
Unless
he's
throwing
a
candy
at
our
kids,
throw
us
a
recreational
learning
facility,
give
us
more
than
likes
and
cut
a
couple.
R
Trees
give
us
what
we
desire
and
these
people
right
here.
I
am
product
of
them
and
it's
a
lot
of
people
that
don't
want
to
talk
they're,
not
going
to
say
anything
but
I'm,
gonna
speak
for
them,
we're
sick
and
tired
of
it
and
sick
and
tired
of
being
sick
and
tied
up
this
year.
Let's
write
this
out
because
they
don't
want
to
be
a
part
of
the
city.
Am
I
right
actually
do
y'all
want
to
be
a
part
of
the
city.
R
Exactly
so,
they
don't
want
us
there.
They
treat
us
like
they
treat
us
like
an
unwanted
baby.
So
that's
how
I
feel
you
know
my
I've
been
feeling
this
way
for
years
now
and
mayor.
You
know
just
stay
up
there
control
the
city
do
right
by
the
people,
that's
in
the
city,
because,
as
of
what
I'm
looking
at
you're,
not
doing
right
by
the
people,
that's
already
in
the
city,
how
you
in
hell,
you
expect
me
to
believe
you
gonna
do
right
by
us.
R
S
603
golden
gem,
Road
Apopka,
ladies
and
gentlemen,
I-
truly
sympathize
with
your
position
tonight.
However,
when
we
meet
here,
the
facts
that
we
are
given
are
important
numbers
do
matter
if
we
are
not
based
our
infrastructure
on
correct
numbers,
we're
going
to
have
a
problem,
so
Chief
McKinley
I
would
like
to
thank
you
for
your
concise
interpretation
numbers
tonight.
It
would
appear
that
you
managed
to
give
me
numbers
that
have
been
searching
for
the
city.
Administration
have
failed
to
give
me
for
weeks.
So
let
me
just
have
a
look
at
those
numbers
chief.
S
S
In
the
last
two
months
and
golden
Jammer,
Road
alone,
I
have
seen
three
thousand
homes
passed
for
for
a
development
at
the
end
of
golden
gem
Road
and
directly
across
the
road
from
golden
gem,
Road
I
see
another
2,
000
houses
or
family
accommodation
have
just
been
put
through.
So
we're
speaking
about
another
5,
000
properties,
three
thousand
and
two
thousand
is
five
thousand
times
three
is
fifteen
thousand?
Add
that
to
the
twenty
seven
thousand,
that
the
chief
has
also
said
means
your
numbers
are
nothing
like
factual.
S
How
can
you
base
infrastructure
on
numbers
that
you
can
you
can't
give
me
Mr
hit
is
promised
to
Supply
numbers
at
the
year
end
because
the
numbers
that
he
give
he
said
the
city
couldn't
provide
that
they
were
actually
factual,
yeah
Chief
McKinley
tonight
openly
States
twenty
seven
thousand.
How
is
it
he
can
give
his
numbers?
The
city
can't
seem
to
give
us.
Neither
does
anyone
in
the
city
decided
to
to
accept
my
invitation
to
discuss
the
numbers
they
feel
comfortable
with
with
for
future
development.
S
T
Hi,
my
name
is
Lorena
Johnson
I
live
just
literally
down
the
street
I'm
a
little
nervous,
but
I
felt
like
I
needed
to
come
to
say
something.
I
moved
here
to
the
city
of
Apopka
in
2016.,
so
I'm
not
born
here,
raised
here.
I
moved
here
from
a
different
state,
but
we
moved
here
to
the
city
of
Apopka,
believing
that
we
were
giving
our
kids
a
better
life
here
in
the
city.
T
Now,
since
we've
been
here
in
2016.,
there
has
been
the
City
of
Claremont,
the
City
of
Winter
Garden,
the
city
of
Ocoee
that
has
literally
grown
with
businesses,
I'm,
not
sure
about
this
South
Apopka
annexation,
I
I've
tried
to
research
and
research,
and
a
lot
of
the
verbiage
literally
goes
over
my
head
because
I
don't
understand
the
numbers.
Nothing
really
makes
sense,
but
I'm
trying
to
understand
how
everything
is
being
built
in
North
Apopka,
but
South
Apopka
is
being
neglected,
we're
building
homes,
homes,
homes,
homes,
homes,
homes
in
South
Apopka.
T
But
there
is
no
retail
we're
going
to
the
city
of
Ocoee
to
shop
because
I'm
not
going
all
the
way
up
to
North
Apopka
to
shop.
So
my
question
is
to
this
group
here
and
I
know:
I've
seen
Mr
Becker
speak
I
actually
voted
for
him,
because
I
wanted
change.
I
wanted
change
here
in
the
city
of
Apopka.
We
need
new
and
young
I'm.
T
Sorry,
the
whole
thing
is
with
City
of
Winter
Garden
City
of
Ocoee
City
of
Claremont
everywhere
else
is
growing,
but
South
Apopka
and
I
want
to
know
why
I'm
taking
my
son
up
to
school
all
the
way
up
to
North
Apopka
at
Wolf
Lake,
and
there
was
a
new
Middle
School
built
right
next
to
Wolf
Lake.
Does
that
make
sense?
I've
been
on
the
phone
with
the
area?
T
Just
today,
I
had
to
run
over
here
because
I
didn't
even
know
there
was
a
meeting.
I
saw
it
on
Instagram
working,
went,
ran
and
picked
up
my
daughter
and
ran
over
here,
because
this
I
feel
like
this
is
my
only
time
to
say
anything
and
then
all
I
hear
is
cost
cost
calls.
Are
my
property
taxes
going
up
I
want
to
know
those
are
the
things
that
we
need,
that
we
have
concerns
for
I
want
more
retail
here
in
South
Apopka
I.
T
Don't
want
to
have
to
drive
to
Ocoee
to
go
to
the
grocery
store.
I,
don't
want
to
have
to
go
all
the
way
up
to
Wekiva
to
go
to
the
grocery
store.
Why
why
don't?
We
have
retail
stores
here
in
South
Apopka?
We
have
one
gas
station
on
Ocoee,
Apopka
Road,
that's
the
issue.
I
have
and
that's
why
I
came
here
today.
D
Well
it
to
address
your
concerns.
Ms
Johnson
I
mean
not
not
to
get
into
this
contentious
debate
up
here,
but
I
mean
this
last
meeting.
We
just
passed
the
economic
development
department
enroll
and
that's-
and
that
was
a
3-2
vote,
and
it
just
shows
you
the
the
temperature
of
what
this
council
is
right
now,
I'm
all
about
progress,
Pro
growth
in
terms
of
Business
Development,
because
it
just
creates
opportunities
within
our
city
and
your
concerns-
are
are
very
valid.
In
my
opinion,
now
the
property
tax
issue.
D
T
D
D
You
should
project
out
what
that's
going
to
look
like
three
years
from
now,
and
this
actually
make
when
this
actually
happens,
and
you
know
model
out
whether
it's
going
to
cost,
then
what
our
Revenue
would
look
like
at
that
point
in
time,
because
we're
doing
an
apples
to
oranges
mix
here
we
should
really
be
in
truthfulness
to
the
people
that
are
here
right
now.
We
should
be
talking
apples
to
apples.
U
U
V
It's
okay:
we
had
a
board
meeting
today,
I
had
to
leave
commissioner
Christie,
Moore
and
I
know.
Mayor
demings
probably
would
have
been
here
they're
still
in
a
meeting,
so
I
had
to
leave
early
to
be
here
today.
I
wanted
to
tell
you
we
do
have
quite
a
bit
of
Staff
in
the
room:
Jason
Reynolds,
head
of
art,
Neighborhood,
Services,
Department
or
Community
Action
board.
Can
you
wave
so
everyone
can
see
Orange
County
staff
in
the
room?
They're
most?
Oh,
you
guys
got
to
be
a
little
braver
than
that
anyway.
V
Thank
you
for
holding
this
meeting.
I
I
know
we're
committed
if
this
process
is
moving
forward
or
if
you
so
desire
to
have
some
meetings
held
from
the
County's
perspective,
as
well
with
mayor
demings
here
with
staff
to
address,
not
only
if
you
have
concerns
what
this
process
would
look
like
from
our
perspective,
and
so
it's
it's
a
lengthy
process.
There
are
many
steps
involved,
and
so
we
will
be
here
as
well
to
have
more
opportunities
for
the
folks
to
speak
to
us.
V
From
my
perspective,
as
your
commissioner
I
don't
want
to
see
you
all
go.
It's
been
my
honor
and
privilege
to
serve
you
and
I
know.
Mayor
demings
feels
the
same
way,
but
we
want
to
hear
from
you
if
there
are
concerns
we
want
to
hear
about
that.
I
think
you
should
explore
being
in
the
City
versus
the
county
and
I
know
it's
a
very
heartfelt
it.
V
W
Good
evening,
everyone,
my
name-
is
Sylvester
Smith
I've,
been
here
since
1965..
This
thing
that
we're
talking
about
been
here
since
1965
and
before
me,
me's
bottom
way
back
when
no
y'all
don't
know
anything
about
that.
All
the
things
that
he
brought
up
and
talked
about,
especially
the
parks
and
rec
thing.
W
We
already
know
that
in
Apopka
itself,
the
city
that
once
you
cross
that
railroad
track,
you
might
as
well
say
South
Apopka,
because
we
get
the
same
thing
right
there
pretty
much.
So
the
neglection
okay,
y'all
just
put
a
new
building
up
there
at
Bakersfield
in
the
parking
lots
the
car
to
stick
it
out
in
the
road
you
put
asphalt
instead
of
cement.
W
W
W
W
Okay,
I
understand
we
have
to
have
those
numbers,
but
I
guarantee
you.
If
someone
wants
something
on
that
north
side,
the
numbers
go
out
the
door
and
it
gets
done.
You
got
that
huge
facility
up
there
on
the
other
side
of
town,
and
then
you
talk
about
over
here.
You
bring
up
what's
already
here
at
Wheatley
field
at
the
elementary
school
and
then
you
bring
up
6th,
Street
and
I,
say
Sixth
Street
in
Bakersfield
I
know
y'all,
don't
know
what
I'm
talking
about,
but
that's
another
thing,
there's
a
feel.
W
You
got
up
there,
that's
named
after
somebody
that
was
a
commissioner
here
a
long
time
ago,
but
yet
the
residents
here
and
if
y'all
talk
to
them,
you
would
know
who
that
field
should
be
named
after
anybody
who
okay.
Thank
you
very
much
so
when
y'all
transplants
come
in
here
and
you
get
these
positions
or
whatever
and
you
don't
talk
to
the
people
or
you
don't
know
who
who
is
or
what's
happening
here
or
what
we've
been
through.
W
Like
I
said,
this
has
been
going
on
for
years
and
years
and
years
and
if
you
guys
don't
gain
that
trust
for
anybody
on
this
side
to
make
them
think
that
okay,
it's
not
a
land
ground.
We
want
to
really
help
you,
people
nothing's,
going
to
change
we're
going
to
sit
here.
We're
going
to
have
these
meetings,
it's
going
to
be
same
old,
crap
same
thing
just
like
in
South
apocal
when
somebody
gets
shot
and
killed.
W
Oh
there's
a
meeting,
there's
a
police
there's
Orange
County,
there's
Apopka
I
have
a
meeting
two
more
months
later
same
thing
happened
again
meeting
same
thing
over
and
over
and
over
and
nothing
gets
done
and
nothing
changes
they
have.
They
have
events
up
on
6th
Street
I
keep
calling
Sixth
Street
it's
ma
boy
street,
but
the
cops
don't
even
want
to
come.
Do
the
off-duty
stuff
up
there.
We
can't
even
get
that
you
know
so.
W
W
W
W
Okay,
you
put
some
on
Hawthorne,
you
put
them
on
one
block
on
Sixth
Street.
Then
you
got
another
block
here
on
Sixth
Street,
that
okay,
we'll
let
y'all
guess
about
it
or
whatever
I,
don't
know
how
it
goes
or
what
you
guys
are
doing
with
that
or
whatever
you
know.
So,
when
you
make
calls
up
there
to
people-
and
you
don't
get
returned
calls,
it
gets
frustrating
in
year
after
year
after
year,
because
I
have
parents
and
I
have
a
lot
of
family
live
over
here
matter.
W
Of
fact,
my
grandfather
is
John,
Henry,
Bridges,
okay,
so
when
these
people
are
talking
to
you
guys,
why
are
we
here
right
now
for
this
at
this
time?
And
that's
that's.
Those
are
the
questions
that
need
to
be
answered
and
talk
to
those
people
and
assure
them
that
okay,
we're
not
gonna
We're
Not,
Gonna,
Knock
Down
your
load
of
homes,
on
your
little
lots
that
we've
zoned
off
up
on
this
side
of
town.
W
So
there
are,
there
are
a
ton
of
things
that
you
guys
have
inherited.
I'll
put
it
like
that.
Some
of
you
guys
have
been
here
for
a
long
time
and
know
this.
You
know
so
we
we've
come
a
long
way
and
I'll
tell
you:
I
went
to
dream:
Lake
Elementary
School
over
to
Parker
junior
high
school
I
went
to
Parker
High
School
and
I
will
tell
you.
W
I've
been
chased
from
Junior
High
School
up
441
I
mean
up
Park
Avenue
back
up
to
441
called
four
by
fours
shotguns
in
the
trucks,
bats
and
all
those
things
a
lot
of
us
have
been
through
that
okay.
So
when
you
talk
to
us
or
come
to
us
with
something,
that's
superficial,
that's
what
it
seems
like
to
us.
So
we've
dealt
with
a
lot
over
here
and
for
you
guys
to
come
over
here
and
say:
okay
guess
what
just
like
today,
Stanley
brought
it
up.
Okay,
well,
I
mean
Mr
Beckett.
W
Why
we
got
a
meeting
at
four
o'clock.
Please
somebody
tell
me
four
o'clock,
four
o'clock:
okay,
where
what
are
people
doing
at
four
o'clock?
I'm,
not
gonna,
go
over
it
again
but
again,
like
I
said,
and
this
Parks
and
Rec
thing,
though
popca
High
School
literally,
has
lived
off
of
our
kids
on
this
side.
W
But
yet
you
want
to
put
all
that
stuff
up
on
Pawn
can.
But
yet
you
want
to
use
the
facilities
that
are
already
here
and
we
get
the
smallness
of
the
small,
the
small
Dean
building-
and
this
is
Orange
County,
not
Apopka,
but
that
little
thing
on
18th
Street
the
building
is
so
small.
It's
like
okay.
What
do
we
do
here?
Are
we
gonna
go
and
say?
Well,
these
people
paid
at
least
amount
of
taxes,
so
they'll
get
the
least
amount
of
services
or
whatever,
and
that's
what
you
see.
W
W
W
Okay,
so
you
have
to
understand
we're
not
just
okay,
deadbeat
people
over
here
on
this
side
of
town
forget
about
them.
We're
going
to
make
sure
we
take
care
of
these
people
over
here
and
that's
what
it
looks
like
and
that's
what
it
looked
like
for
years
and
that's
actually
how
it's
been.
So
all
the
carrots
you
guys
dangled
out
in
front
of
everybody.
W
X
Good
afternoon
my
name
is
Cornelia
Winchester
I've
been
in
Apopka
since
1970,
which
I
was
born
there.
Parents
have
a
house
here
on
13th
Street.
They
just
deceased.
There's
been
a
lot
of
issues.
I
know
a
lot
of
people
have
already
spoken
about
the
things
that
we
are
going
through,
I'm
just
going
to
leave
you
guys
with
this,
whether
you
know
it
or
not.
When
you
start
building
a
house,
you
start
from
the
foundation.
X
Correct
South
Apopka
is
the
foundation
of
Apopka,
whether
you
know
it
or
not,
and
if
you
and
if
the
foundation
is
not
steady,
the
outside
areas
are
not
going
to
be
steady,
so
you
neglecting
the
foundation
is
going
to
really
tear
down
the
outside
because
you're
not
taking
care
of
the
foundation
which
is
here
in
Apopka,
South.
Apopka
people
see
it
like
right
now
around
these
areas.
X
X
X
We
see
the
money,
we
see
the
money
all
over
the
world.
That's
been
passed
for
people
like
us,
but
you
guys
are
pocketing
your
money.
Your
pockets
are
being
fat
and
leaving
everybody
else
out
here
to
scuff
and
survive.
We
see
the
generations
changing
over
now.
Our
elderlies
are
passing
on.
It
is
us
now
so
guess
what
you're
going
to
hear
from
us?
X
R
Beautiful
to
see
this
crowd
out,
because
the
mirror
I'm
Gonna
Keep
It
100.,
that
mayor
said,
don't
nobody
care,
take
a
good
look.
Man,
I
ain't,
seen
But
one
or
two
people.
This
is
down
at
the
city
council
meeting,
which
you
all
need
to
show
up
like
you
are
now
last
year,
I
missed
two
City
Council
meetings,
because
I'm
here
to
represent
my
people,
the
mayor
asks
he
said:
there's
no
nobody,
but
these
troublemakers
from
Norfolk.
R
Where
Mary
in
our
culture,
it
tell
us
once
God
bless
you
to
get
up
lead
the
neighborhood
come
back
and
Mary,
that's
what
I'm
doing
every
day
I'm
coming
back.
Most
of
you
don't
see
that
behind
the
scene,
but
there's
a
few
of
us
fighting
now
in
order
for
a
permanent
change
to
to
take
place,
you've
got
to
keep
doing
what
you're
doing
right
now,
showing
up
and
show
out
you
gotta
get
up
and
you
got
to
come
out.
You
got
to
show
up
and
show
out
now,
commissioner,
commissioner
Christine
Moore.
R
R
How
does
a
South
Apopka
get
in
this
condition?
How
did
everything
else
around
of
it?
Progress
in
South,
Africa
say
the
same.
Go
back
and
read
your
history!
Go
back
and
read
your
history.
It's
designated
from
this
city!
The
blacks
would
be
over
here
and
the
whites
would
be
over
there
and
everything
that
was
black.
You
didn't
get
anything
you
weren't
cared
about.
You
wouldn't
thought
about.
R
R
R
My
sisters
and
brothers,
we
have
to
be
that
change
that
we're
talking
about
not
them.
We
have
to
be
that
change
that
we're
talking
about
and
when
I
say,
keep
it
real
in
our
country.
Today
we
scared
to
say
the
race,
the
worst
racism,
we're
scared
to
talk
about
it,
but
there's
so
much
races
and
hate.
That's
going
on
in
our
country
today
is
sad
and
they'll
Bowl
about
it.
R
R
R
Our
black
females
are
the
most
educated
in
this
country
bar
none
and
I.
Don't
say
that
bragging
or
boasting
I
say
this.
We
are
all
people
we
are
all
are
Americans
when
we
come
together
as
one
America,
we
make
America
great
for
everybody,
so
I
say
to
you
time
out
for
them.
What
are
you
going
to
do
like
Joe
matter
said
what
you
gonna
do
about
it.
R
R
South
Apopka
should
be
in
the
condition
that
it
is
now
no
reason
and
for
the
board
yeah.
You
may
have
inherited
this
and
if
I'm
Gonna
Keep
It
Real,
some
of
you
is
part
of
South
South
apocal
being
the
way
it
is
because
if
you
know
better,
you
should
do
better
and
when
it's
wrong,
you
should
say
it's
wrong.
R
R
And
then
we
cry
about
what's
wrong?
Why
they
doing
this
to
us
simply
because
we
won't
get
out
and
vote.
We
won't
be
a
part
of
the
process.
This
is
your
money
that
they're
spending
and
they
tell
you
what
they
gonna
do
with
it.
Instead
of
you
telling
them
what
they're
going
to
do
with
it
so
I
say
to
everybody
here,
because
we
all
call
on
God
almighty.
R
So
in
our
hearts,
let's
do
what's
right,
commissioner
Smith.
You
say
you
didn't
care
how
much
money
it
took.
It
should
be
annexing
if
it
took
10
million.
It
should
be
annexed
and
I'm.
Speaking
to
all
of
you
right
now,
you
have
the
opportunity
to
correct
the
wrong
that
was
done
in
our
society
when
it
comes
to
South
Apopka.
R
R
We
shouldn't
have
to
come
to
you
and
say:
I'm
hungry
you'll
get
out
in
the
community,
you'll
see
what
needs
to
be
done.
You'll
get
back
together.
You
make
those
changes,
that's
what
serving
the
people
is
all
about,
not
serving
yourself
serving
the
people.
So
I
say
today:
let's
give
a
love
a
chance.
Let's
love
our
neighbors,
let's
love
each
other
and
when
we
fall
in
love,
hate
has
no
room.
R
Think
about
something
you
love
think
about
something.
You
love
not
some
of
you,
let's
think
about
something
you're
in
love
with
not
you
love,
because
if
you
love
some,
you
still
do
wrong,
but
if
you're
in
love
with
something
or
somebody
and
somebody
speak
against
them
or
her,
and
somebody
try
to
hurt
him,
you'll
go
to
hell
in
high
water
and
protect
them,
so
White,
America,
Black,
America,
Let's,
Fall,
In
Love
with
each
other
and
let's
treat
each
other
the
way
God
wanted
all
of
us
to
live
and
and
be
treated.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
R
B
Z
Z
Z
Z
For
those
of
you
who
do
not
know
what
Oak
Lawn
subdivision
is.
It
was
a
properties
that
was
purchased
by
Mr
LT
hunt,
a
Real,
Estate
Mogul
in
his
day,
Who
provided
land
and
sold
land
to
us.
Poor
people
here
in
what
is
called
South
Apopka
Mr
Hunt,
walked
every
inch
of
what
you
see
in
this
region
off
by
foot,
spitting
out
his
water
tobacco
or
dropping
his
cigarette
duck
to
bought
the
property
lines.
That's
why
a
lot
of
people
scream
now?
Z
Z
Z
Z
That
was
a
few
months
before
he
was
my
most
beaten
nearly
to
death
and
he
left
he
Mr
Hot
D
specified
that
his
property
should
not
be
sold
to
any
other
race
but
of
the
Ethiopian
race
from
15
years
of
the
purchase
of
that
land.
So
my
grandfather
had
to
break
that
because
he
couldn't
come
back
here
to
live
because
he
was
beaten
by
the
Ku
Klux
Klan
in
1949.
Z
I
have
the
FBI
report,
but
anyway,
as
we
as
citizens
of
this
neighborhood
I'm
I
was
born
a
couple
of
blocks
up
in
Dolly
quarters
because
we
had
nothing
but
quarters
because
we
were
all
family
all
our
family
members
came
here.
Descendants
came
here
as
workers,
they
were
workers,
so
I
feel
overwhelmed.
Now.
I
feel
that
I'm
being
rooted
out
every
day,
I
get
called.
Do
you
want
to
sell
your
land?
Do
you
want
to
sell
your
house
now?
Z
The
starburst
property
is
just
a
few
blocks
up
where
the
great
the
cemetery
is,
but
the
starbirds
moved
a
lot
of
the
structures
that
you
see
in
this
area
and
when
people
wanted
to
buy
a
house,
they
would
go
either
to
the
holy
Park
to
the
turpentine.
Mill
they'd
buy
the
houses
that
had
been
left
behind
by
those
people
plus
naval
air
stations,
and
they
would
come
back
and
they
tell
Mr.
Hunt
I
found
a
house
over
there,
a
lot
of
army,
barracks
or
military
housing,
and
it's
Mr.
Z
How
many
feet
is
it
well
Mr,
Hunt
it's
about
50
feet!
Well,
that's
when
Mr
Hunt
walked
off
that
50
feet
of
land.
So
when
you
ride
around
in
this
community-
and
you
see
well
streets
in
that
begin-
think
about
Mr
Hunt
and
he
amassed
his
wealth.
He
even
donated
the
land
where
Phyllis
Wheatley
is
so
he's.
Some
kind
of
man
I've
been
trying
to
track
down
his
family
members
forever
because
he
gave
us
that
opportunity
to
own
land.
Z
So
it's
up
to
you,
it's
the
future
is
in
your
hands,
it's
in
our
hands,
so
we
have
to
decide
and
in
1984
what
happened.
This
referendum
was
defeated
by
the
people
in
the
county
and
you're,
not
talking
about
just
the
people
here
in
this
community
voting
you're
talking
about
everybody
in
Orange,
County.
Okay,
thank
you.
A
G
I
just
first
off
I
want
to
say
thank
you
for
everybody
being
here,
everybody
speaking
it's
highly
appreciated.
The
biggest
thing
I
hear
is
basically
politicians
do
what
you
said
you
were
going
to
do.
Just
show
up
do
better
and
I
think
that's
where
we
start.
We
can
go
along
with
annexation,
but
unless
we're
doing
what's
right
now
with
what
we
already
have,
it
doesn't
make
sense.
So
my
promise
moving
forward
from
here
and
I've,
taken
a
substantial
amount
of
notes.
Just
do
better
show
up
in
the
community
more
help
out.
G
However,
I
can
listen
more
than
speak,
I
think
that's
key
and
I
think
moving
forward.
That's
what
we
do
and
if
annexation
is
what
the
community
wants
to
do,
moving
forward
as
I'm
listening,
then
that's
what
we'll
do
again,
I
think
it's
about
just
being
more
impactful
as
a
politician,
as
leaders
in
the
community
is
what
I'm
hearing
so
moving
forward.
I
promise
you
I
will
definitely
you'll
be
seeing
me
a
lot
more
and
I
want
to
be
a
part
of
whatever
you
guys
need
to
help
do
better.
F
F
It
was
because
the
individuals
that
lived
in
this
area
were
agricultural
workers.
They
worked
in
the
greenhouses,
they
worked
in
the
nurseries
and
that's
how
Apopka
maintained
its
name
as
the
foolish
capital
of
the
world.
All
for
the
individuals
that
lived
in
this
area
of
Apopka,
they
picked
the
oranges.
They
went
to
the
muck
pool,
corn
cut
cabbage,
picked
cucumbers,
and
in
those
days,
if
you
were
in
agricultural
worker,
you
didn't
have
to
pay
social
security.
You'd
have
to
pay
income
tax.
F
So,
as
a
result,
now
that
we
know
that
your
Social
Security
is
based
on
your
work,
history,
well,
I
was
one
of
those
that
picked
oranges.
I
was
one
of
those
that
worked
in
the
greenhouse
in
the
nursery
and
did
not
pay
social
security
back
in
those
days.
So
when
it
came
time
for
me
to
draw
Social
Security
that
part
of
my
work,
history
did
not
exist.
F
F
F
It
was
a
rough
time,
but
we
learned
how
to
deal
with
it,
but
now
here
we
are
in
2022
2023
and
it's
time
for
a
change
in
annexation.
Here's
the
way
to
make
that
happen
as
a
teacher
when
I
gave
students
an
assignment,
they
went
home
and
they
did
the
research
and
they
found
the
answers,
and
then
they
came
back
with
answers
to
the
assignment.
F
F
F
If
I
continue
to
live
on
15th
Street,
then
I
moved
to
14th
Street,
then
I
moved
to
12th
Street,
then
I
moved
to
Fifth
Street
when
I
was
in
ninth
grade
and
my
teacher
Mr
Dean
former
commissioner
Dean
took
me
to
my
first
city
council
meeting
in
ninth
grade.
At
that
point,
my
goal
was,
to
one
day
be
able
to
sit
as
a
City.
F
Commissioner
had
I
continue
to
live
on,
15th
14th,
12th
and
Fifth
Street
I
will
not
be
a
City
Commissioner
today
and
I
believe
that
there
are
young
men
and
young
women
that
are
in
this
area.
That
also
has
the
desire
to
one
day
be
a
City
Commissioner
one
day
to
be
the
mayor,
but
unless
we
Annex
they
will
never
be
able
to
fulfill
that
dream.
So
therefore,
it's
not
just
about
us
that
are
here
today,
but
it's
about
the
generations
that
are
yet
to
come,
that
we
provide
them.
D
Yeah,
so
we're
all
politicians
up
here,
so
everything
that
we
say
is
going
to
be
perceived
in
one
way
or
another
as
being
political,
I
think
dirt.
Having
again
having
this
conversation
when
we're
not
running
for
a
political
office,
it's
not
gonna
mitigate
the
concerns
that
this
is
still
a
political
conversation.
I
can't
help
the
people
that
feel
that
way,
but
having
it
during
this
time
of
year,
when
we're
not
campaigning
for
a
seat,
I
think
is
the
most
appropriate
time
to
have
this
conversation.
D
D
But
what
I
can't
do
is
let
a
referendum
37
years
ago
be
the
Mandate
by
which
all
generations
future
have
to
live
by
and
so
and
that's
not
to
say
that
it
has
to
happen.
But
the
commissioner
Smith's
point
is
I.
Think
there's
been
enough
of
us
up
here
that
have
shown
interest
to
see
what's
the
art
of
the
possible
here
as
it
relates
to
annexation.
D
Yeah
these
these
numbers
are
numbers,
but
how
do
we
actually
make
it
happen?
Because
at
the
end
of
the
day,
it's
going
to
be
the
people
within
the
unincorporated
sections
of
this
of
this
County
that
are
ultimately
going
to
have
to
make
that
say:
they're
going
to
have
to
go
to
the
voter
box
and
fill
out
that
ballot,
so
there's
a
whole
bunch
of
action
that
we
could
take
as
a
sitting
body
to
make
that
happen.
D
But
at
the
end
of
the
day
it's
going
to
be
your
decision,
and
so
that's
where
I
went
back
at
the
beginning
of
this
conversation
is
all
around.
What
are
what
are
you
hoping
to
get
and
it's
funny,
because
we
had
a
couple
speakers
kind
of
get
at
the
the
Crux
of
the
matter:
hey,
we
need
speed
bumps
here
or
hey.
We
need
some
more
businesses
here.
D
It
is
it's
very
foundational
because
again
we
have
a
very
diverse
community
and
the
that's
part
of
our
foundation
for
future
success
is
to
celebrate
that
diversity
and
make
it
part
of
our
our
long-term
success
strategy.
So
I
appreciate
the
time.
I
appreciate
everybody.
That's
spoken
tonight.
My
email
address
is
K
Becker
at
apopka.net.
It's
on
the
website.
If
you
don't
have
it,
please
come
up
to
me
afterwards,
if
you
want
to
meet
outside
of
this
meeting,
setting
happy
to
do
that.
D
E
First
I
just
want
to
say,
and
thank
you
to
each
and
every
one
of
you
for
making
the
effort
to
come
out.
This
was
something
that
we
had
been
hoping
for,
especially
with
the
second
workshop
and
kind
of
just
kind
of
follow.
All
the
you
know
the
previous
Commissioners
we're
here
for
you
when
I
was
elected
back
in
2014
I,
consider
myself
a
rookie
at
that
time.
E
It
was
very
important
for
me
to
to
know
the
history
of
Apopka,
especially
South,
Apopka
and
I
did
go
out
and
did
seek
because
I
I
wanted
to
see.
You
know
where
was
the
Hispanic
Community?
Where
was
the
black
community
and
I've
gotten
to
meet
many
of
you
personally,
and
it
was
always
my
desire
and,
and
you
know,
how
do
we
bring
South
Apopka
into
the
city
but
as
as
a
commissioner,
it
was,
it
was
difficult.
I
was
at
that
time.
E
I
was
one
and
I
feel
that,
with
this
Administration
and
and
this
new
commission
I
feel
like
we
are
moving
forward
because
we
have
more
Commissioners
on
board
who
want
it
and
and
I
appreciate
that
you
know
the
more
that
we
are
out
in
the
community
and
the
gentleman
Who
challenged
us
he's
right.
You
know
we
need
to
go
out
into
the
community.
We
need
to
be
on
a
person-to-person
basis
and
that's
something
that
I
said
to
him
when
I
responded.
E
E
So
I
appreciate
that
and
I
thank
each
and
every
one
of
you
and
and
like
commissioner
Becker
said,
please
do
reach
out
to
us.
We
have
out
our
emails
on
the
website.
You
know
I'm
D
Velasquez
at
apopka.net
and
I
only
give
out
my
personal
phone
number
I
did
not
take
a
second
phone
from
the
city,
because
I
just
thought
that
wasn't
how
I
want
to
communicate
with
my
the
constituents
in
all
of
Apopka.
So
my
phone
number
is.
E
A
Well,
I'd
like
to
thank
first
of
all,
let
me
start
off
with
Nicole
Palmer.
Thank
you
for
opening
up
your
facility
for
us
and
for
putting
the
sign
out
on
the
on
13th
Street,
so
that
everybody
had
a
chance
to
at
least
be
a
part
of
this
discussion.
I
mean
it's
great
that
we
had
a
much
better
turnout.
Last.
A
You
know
the
commission
meeting,
we
I
think
we
had
only
two
people
from
unincorporated
that
were
there
to
speak
on
behalf
of
whatever
they
thought,
and
so
it's
nice
that
we
got
a
much
better
representation
of
of
people
that
have
an
opinion
either
good
or
bad
of
the
annexation
process.
I'd
also
like
to
thank
our
staff,
I
mean
they've
a
lot
of
effort
to
get
you
know
what
we
think
are
I
want
to
be
objective
about
this.
It's
not
about.
A
So
both
decisions
have
to
be
in
the
affirmative
for
this
to
to
move
forward
and
I
would
I
would
also
say
and
not
to
throw
commissioner
Moore
into
the
under
the
bus.
But
you
know
ask
the
county
for
help.
While
you
know,
while
we're
going
through
this
process,
if
they're
things
that
that
we're
doing
in
the
city
for
our
residents
that
that
the
county
maybe
is,
is
lacking,
reach
out
to
her
I
mean
they're.
They're
they've
got
you
know.
A
Obviously
they
have
a
five
or
six
billion
dollar
budget
where
we
have
150
million
dollar
budget,
so
they're
they're
dollars
there
that
can
be
used
to
to
make
you
know
improvements
and
make
a
difference
here
in
in
the
unexed
un.
Unincorporated
areas
of
Apopka,
so
thank
you
all
again
for
coming
out
and
we
appreciate
all
your
input
and
look
forward
to
a
a
rigorous
debate
as
we
move
forward.
Thank
you.