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From YouTube: Apopka City Council Meeting May 4, 2022
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Apopka City Council Meeting at City Hall on May 4, 2022 at 1:30 PM.
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C
A
F
G
C
F
C
F
1966
san
francisco
giants
outfielder,
william
mays,
hits
his
512th
career
home
run
to
break
the
run
record
of
mayor
otis.
National
league
record
for
home
runs.
Maze
would
finish
his
career
with
606
home
runs,
which
placed
him
third
on
the
all-time
list
at
the
time
of
his
retirement,
in
addition
to
winning
national
league
most
valuable
player
in
1954.
F
I
A
Thank
you,
commissioner
smith.
I
want
to
get
got
an
employee
here.
I
want
to
get
a
little
recognition
to
her.
Just
catherine
come
on
up
dude,
katherine
duncan.
We
had
a
little
celebration
this
week
or
last
week
and
she's
our
senior
chair
program
coordinator,
and
I'm
telling
you
the
the
seniors,
love
her
love
her
love
her.
So
we
we
started.
A
You
know
started
probably
five
years
ago,
six
years
ago,
six
years
ago,
and
we've
now
added
a
second
class
out
at
the
the
billy
dean
building
and
just
so
excited
for
what
she
does
for
our
seniors.
I
tell
you
every
one
of
them.
They
can't
wait
to
get
into
her
class
and
and
I'm
not
sure
as
much
about
exercise
is
about
you
know
chatting,
but
a
little
bit
of
both
and
so
kath.
A
I
just
want
to
just
recognize
you
and
you've
got
a
few
words
to
say,
because
you
are
you're
a
crown
jewel
in
the
city
of
apopka,
employee
head
count
for
sure.
Goodness.
J
Thank
you
so
much,
mr
mayor.
I
appreciate
that
and
I
want
to
thank
you
for
inviting
me
here
and
wish
all
of
you
a
good
afternoon
and
everyone
here
and
I
just.
J
Let
me
take
a
breath.
This
is
new
for
me
to
be
in
front
of
such
an
august
group
of
people,
but
as
you
as
you've
heard,
I
teach
the
chair
exercise
class
at
frank,
carlton,.
C
J
This
twice
a
week
tuesdays
and
thursdays
from
nine
to
ten
and
these
classes
started
in
april
of
2014,
and
it
was
a
rough
going
in
the
beginning.
We
only
had
a
few
people
that
came,
but
over
time
it
steadily
grew
and
grew
and
grew,
and
by
the
time
covert
hit.
On
march
the
20th
march
2020,
we
were
averaging
between
45
and
50
people
and
and
well
coveted
shut
everything
down.
J
So
we
had
a
rough
two
years,
building
ourselves
back,
but
now
we're
slowly
coming
back
and
even
at
the
center
at
billie
dean,
slowly
we're
coming
back
we're
breaking
records
there
every
day
I
just
wanted
to.
Let
you
know
there
was
a
demographic
study
done
in
2019,
which
showed
that
most
of
the
attendees
were
coming
from
apopka,
but
they
were
also
coming
from
as
far
away
as
zellwood
altamonte
springs
and
orlando.
So
the
word
was
spreading,
which
was
fantastic
and
we
have
we
accommodate
people
of
all
fitness
levels.
J
K
J
Everybody
can
come
and
find
something
that
they
can
do
and
feel
better
when
they
leave
and
that's
that's
the
goal,
that's
my
whole
goal
of
being
there.
So
last
thursday,
as
the
mayor
said,
we
celebrated
our
eight
year
anniversary
at
the
fran
carlton
center
and
and
there
were
a
record
number
of
57
people
came
to
class
that
day,
but
I'm
sure
some
of
them
came
just
for
the
food.
J
So
I
just
wanted
to
give
you
just
a
snippet
of
a
few
of
the
testimonials
that
some
of
them
handed
in
for
that
day.
J
There's
one
lady
who
said
I
have
attended
this
class
for
three
years
and
it
has
been
beneficial
to
me
mentally
and
physically,
and
let's
see
this
lady
says
these
chair
exercises
are
the
best
thing
to
happen
for
me
in
a
very
long
time,
and
let's
see
okay,
this
one,
this
one
was
written
by
a
gentleman
who
had
suffered
a
stroke,
so
his
handwriting
was
very
shaky
and
it
was
very
difficult
for
him
to
write,
but
he
managed
to
put
down
fun.
J
This
lady
says
I
hate
exercise,
but
this
class
has
taught
me
to
love
it.
I
feel
better.
I'm
able
to
move
better.
My
attitude
is
better
all
because
of
the
camaraderie
and
specifically
because
of
catherine.
She
said
she
is
my
bob
ross.
I
remember
bob
ross
yeah
very
I
I
take
that
as
a
compliment,
so
so
I
have
and
there
there
were
many
more.
I
won't
you
know.
I
know
I
have
limited
time,
but
that's
this
feeling
and
the
camaraderie
we're
like
a
family.
There.
I
tell
everybody
who
comes?
J
You
become
part
of
the
family.
It's
not
just
exercise,
which
is
the
main
objective,
is
to
get
fit
and
to
be
more
mobile,
and
but
it's
the
engagement
and
the
friendships.
I
have
people
that
come
and
have
told
me
that
before
they
came,
they
were
just
sitting
in
their
home,
doing
nothing
slowly
deteriorating
and
they
come
and
they're
lonely.
You
know
they've
lost
spouses,
their
children
live.
You
know
hundreds
of
miles
away,
they
have
no
one,
they
come
to
the
class
and
they
make
friends
and
they
get
fit,
and
it's
it's
just
great.
J
So
it's
it's
about
it's
about
exercise
it's
about,
but
mostly
it's
about
the
quality
of
life
and
it's
just
such
a
great
program.
It's
my
privilege
and
honor
to
be
part
of
it
to
facilitate
it,
and
I'm
just
thankful
that
you're
all
behind
it.
You
support
it
and
encourage
it,
and
I
hope
it
will
continue
on
for
many
years
in
the
future.
Thank
you
very
much.
Thank
you.
A
A
C
A
Gosh
we
go
from
that
to
speed
humps,
I
don't
know
how
you
make
that
transition,
but
we're
fixing
to
find
out.
Oh.
A
C
N
O
Good
afternoon,
so
yes
we're
going
to
present
a
little
bit
about
speed.
Humps,
that's
been
presented
before
to
the
council
kind
of
explaining
what
the
program
is
before
and
getting
funds
approved
and
so
forth.
So
that's
already
been
in
place.
We've
done
assessments
and
we've
got
a
couple
of
locations.
We're
going
to
share
that,
though
I'm
recommending
to
have
them
installed.
O
Okay,
so
as
far
as
like
criteria,
people-
because
everyone
will
say
hey-
there's
speeders
on
my
street-
something
to
that
effect
and
we
want
speed,
humps
and
so
there's
certain
criteria
that
has
to
be
met.
This
is
kind
of
refresher,
but
we
also
have
new
individuals
here.
So
again,
the
road
must
be
a
local
or
residential
road,
with
an
average
daily
traffic
volume
of
800
vehicles
to
3000
vehicles
per
day,
the
speed
limit
being
30
miles
an
hour
or
less
it's,
and
what
happens
is
if
that
that's
an
easy
thing
to
figure
out.
O
As
far
as
like
the
speed
limit.
What's
it
on
there,
when
someone
complains,
then
I
can
come
in
to
do
a
speed
assessment
like
collect
data
on
that
roadway,
to
get
the
traffic
volume
and
then
I'll
be
able
to
come
up
with
the
85th
percentile.
85Th
percentile
basically
means
85
percent
of
the
vehicles
or
less
are
going
at
that
particular
speed.
It's
what
dot
uses
to
set
speed
limits
and
so
forth
to
see.
Basically,
what
is
the
natural
average
thing
that
most
vehicles
are
driving?
O
If
that
makes
sense,
and
then
we
have
to
make
sure
that
the
road
has
a
maximum
width
of
24
feet
and
again,
these
things
were
not
all
set
in
stone
and
if
you
have
a
question
for
that,
pam
can
go
over
that,
but
those
are
more
like
base
criteria
that
we
try
to
follow
again,
somebody,
whether
it's
from
the
city
or
with
a
citizen
who
will
make
a
complaint,
it's
kind
of
how
we
get
started
on
this,
like
I
said
then
I'll
end
up
doing
a
traffic
study,
because
again
some
people
will
say:
hey,
there's
a
speeder
on
my
street
and
that
might
be
the
one
kid
who
lives
down
there.
O
That's
not
a
you
know:
it's
not
a
huge,
chronic
problem.
So
once
we
do
our
assessment
we'll
be
able
to
determine
that
to
see
if
it
even
warrants
it,
then
again
after
we
do
all
that,
and
I
make
my
assessment
and
then
a
lot
of
times.
This
is
not
just
me
making
the
assessment.
I
will
end
up
getting
with
community
development.
O
So
kind
of
moving
forward
with,
as
far
as
the
assessments
of
where
we
went
second
street
from
a
complaint,
we
had
a
second
highland
there's
going
to
end
up
being
a
four-way.
Stop
put
there
to
you
can
see.
These
are
crashes
that
have
happened
for
the
last
three
years,
so
at
highland
in
monroe,
which
is
actually
second
street
crashes,
there
will
be
solved
by
a
four-way
stop
at
forest,
and
second
street
is
where
our
bike
trail
crossing.
Is
it's
a
crosswalk?
We
did
a
detail
there
for
best
foot
forward
and
it's
it's.
O
I
can
tell
you
that
the
85th
percentile
of
second
and
highland,
where
the
speed
limit
is
25,
the
85th
percentile
was
34.
okay,
so
it
has
to
be
30
miles
an
hour
so
five
miles
above
the
speed
limit
or
greater,
so
we're
at
nine
miles
an
hour
above
the
speed
limit.
So
that's
it's
not
good.
So
to
again
we've
been
doing
speed.
You
know
enforcement
out
there,
but
the
speed
humps
will
help
bring
that
down
and
then
for
the
other
direction.
O
The
85th
percentile
was
at
30
miles
30
miles
an
hour
which
is
again
five
over,
which
is
the
criteria
and
the
traffic
volume
is
met
as
well.
O
O
Next
street
we
looked
into
was
hawthorne
avenue
from
441
to
ocoee,
apopka,
road
or
michael
gladden.
Right
there
again,
the
last
three
years,
19
crashes,
you
can
see
them
there,
a
majority
of
the
crashes
there
at
4th
street
in
hawthorne.
I've
also
made
a
recommendation
for
stop
signs
installed
there
for
4th
street.
It's
kind
of
a
weird
location
where
some
people
kind
of
assume
there's
going
to
be
a
stop
sign
there
and
there's
not.
O
O
85
percentile
is
at
40
miles
an
hour,
so
it's
10
miles
an
hour
over
the
posted
speed
limit.
Again,
that's
the
85th
percentile.
That's
not
the
highest
speeds.
The
highest
speeds
are,
you
know:
we've
had
some
in
the
80s.
O
The
proposed
locations
for
the
installation
of
the
speed
humps
are
there
on
this
map.
So
basically
it's
going
to
be.
You
know,
mid-block
not
directly
in
front
of
her
driveway
trying
to
have
any
issues
for
anybody,
whether
it's
a
resident
or
you
know,
services
that
the
city
provides.
So
it
will
have
an
impact.
They
have
to
be
spread
out
a
certain
distance.
I
believe
it's
approximately
800
feet
apart
to
be
effective.
O
Next
location,
I
went
to
from
a
complaint
on
mma
board.
This
had
to
do
with
the
children
getting
picked
up
for
school
on
marvin
c
sanders
and
dropped
off
as
well.
The
children
I
noticed
were
having
to
cross
the
street
a
lot
of
times
on
their
own.
Sometimes
you'd
have
parents
be
able
to
try
to
assist
them.
The
student
there
is
25..
O
It
was
a
bit
of
an
issue
as
far
as
you
know,
once
was
cutting
through
from
441
down
to
ocoeepka
and
within
three
years
there's
been
16
crashes
along
there.
O
O
The
last
location,
m.a
board
and
hawthorne
right
there,
where
we
talk
about
sometimes
the
billy
dean
center.
A
lot
of
you
know:
pedestrian
traffic
can
go
through
there
and
again
just
to
assess
that
and
to
keep
it
under
control.
Throwing
a
speed
hump
in
that
location
would
be
able
to
assist.
What
does
a
speed?
Hump
look
like
well
again,
it's
kind
of
hard
to
see.
Everyone
knows
what
a
speed
bump
is
going
parking
lots,
it's
more
narrow.
O
If
it's
a
pretty
tall
speed
humps
are
more
gradual,
it
will
still
call
you
know,
cause
the
cars
will
slow
down,
but
it's
not
so
much
of
an
issue
to
where
it
would
need
to
restrict.
You
know:
law
enforcement
and
fire
response.
We'll
have
to
slow
down
a
little
bit
sure,
but
again
that's
that's
the
point
of
it,
especially
nowadays.
You
know
with
everybody
in
their
fancy
cars
they're
not
going
to
want
to
damage
them.
They'll
should
slow
down
for
these.
So
there's
you
know
we
can
solve
this
problem.
O
Another
option
that
we
could
go
with
speed
cushions,
so
some
spacing
could
be
done
in
these
to
where
fire
trucks,
the
width
of
them,
are
larger
than
other
vehicles.
Maybe
they
can
go
around
it,
but
my
concern
with
that.
Sometimes
maybe
another
car
will
try
to
straddle
that
coming
to
the
other
side,
but
the
regular
speed
humps
would
go
all
the
way
across
the
roadway.
P
I
just
wanted
to
add
a
couple
things
sure
I
know
y'all
think
I
do
everything
transportation,
but
I
don't.
I
have
partners
all
over
the
city
steve's
one
of
my
biggest
partners.
He
can
even
do
a
traffic
study
as
y'all
could
see.
They
can
actually
see
it.
It's
just
the
screen.
They
have
a
monitor
up
there,
so
they
can
see
the
numbers,
but
we're
now
that
we
have
the
projects.
P
These
are
the
ones
that
we're
going
to
do
and
I
think
that
we
probably
burned
through
the
money
that
y'all
gave
us,
but
but
what
we've
come
to
realize
over
these
couple
years
that
we've
been
doing
this
speed?
Humps
are
not
the
end.
All
they
steve
provided
y'all
a
list.
I
think,
last
time
we
did
this.
There
are
only
certain
roads
in
the
city
that
speed
humps
are
even
a
solution
for,
but
we
both
get
calls
weekly
from
subdivisions
that
situation.
P
He
said
where
somebody
in
the
neighborhood's
speeding
so
when
next
year,
what
I'm
going
to
ask
all
for
is
a
little
bit
more
money
so
that
we
can
investigate
and
implement
traffic
control
devices
where
speed
humps
are
not
solution.
Chicanes
narrowing
of
lanes
very
narrow,
medians.
P
You
know
they're
they're,
all
different
kinds
of
things
that
aren't
speed,
humps
but
everything's
expensive.
So
I'm
probably
going
to
ask
for
more
money
in
next
year's
budget
so
that
we
can
help
more
of
the
people
that
are
coming
to
us.
I
mean
for
them.
They
can't
be
everywhere
so
anything
that
we
can
do
to
and
we're
doing
it
as
we're
it's
in
our
approach
to
new
development.
That's
coming
into
the
city!
P
So
now
we're
kind
of
like
retrofitting
some
things,
but
that's
what
we're
gonna
want
a
little
bit
more
money,
maybe
75
000.!
That.
P
50
and
I
think
we're
going
to
spend
it
all
in
this
fiscal
year
and
then
a
little
bit
more
next
year
too,
but
I'm
not
asking
today,
I'm
just
putting.
A
Okay,
great
well!
Thank
you!
I'm
glad
we
got.
You
know.
I
was
kind
of
wondering
we're
ever
going
to
get
some
streets
that
you
know
qualify.
I
know
we've
had
a
lot
of
them
that
have
asked
for
it
and
they
didn't,
as
as
sergeant
harmon,
had
said
that
they
just
didn't
qualify
either
speed
or
car
count.
Well,.
O
I've
been
the
traffic
supervisor
for
about
four
years
now,
and
I've
been
approaching
this
for
a
long
time.
I've
been
wanting
to
get
this
done
since
then
and
back
then
it
wasn't
in
the
city
code
to
be
allowed.
It
was
interpreted
differently,
so
it's
been
a
long
push
to
try
to
get
to
there.
So
you
can
ask
pam,
like
I
am
pushing
this
constantly
of
wanting
speed
humps,
because
once
they're
installed
they're
installed,
so
I
don't
have
to
decide
of
which
neighborhood
would
street
we
get
that.
One
done
that's
done
now!
I
can
again.
O
I
can
prioritize
these
to
where
I
have
the
most
issues
and
so
forth,
but
once
they're
done
we're
good,
but,
like
she
mentioned
to
me
before,
we
have
to
check
on
when's
the
street
been
paved
last
one's
going
to
need
to
get
done
because
we
don't
want
to
have
to
rip
it
up
right
after
we
put
it
in.
But
yes,
I'm
ex.
I'm
definitely
ready
for
this
to
get
going,
and
I
know
you're
as
well.
There,
yes.
B
There
were
some
subdivisions,
some
developments
that
also
had
the
same
problem
with
speeding
within
their
community.
O
I
have
a
little
bit
more
flexibility
with
some
of
the
other
grants
that
I
have
for
dot
on
larger
street
ways,
but
not
in
size,
residential,
so
speed.
Humps
will
solve
that
problem,
all
the
time
24
7.,
when
we
can't
get
an
officer
there
on
a
saturday
when
little
kids
are
outside
playing
and
we
don't
have
enough
manpower
to
be
able
to
be
out
there
for
enforcement.
O
So,
yes,
like
we've,
got
multiple
neighborhoods
that
I've
looked
into.
I've
got
data
already
in
a
lot
of
these,
so
I
can
be
ready
to
go
as
soon
as
we
have
the
funds
available,
but
the
other
thing
should
get
into
is:
hoas,
haven't,
decide,
approvals
and
so
forth,
and
what
street,
within
that
on
hoa,
gets
it
sharing
the
money?
P
The
ones
that
steve
presented
because
there's
it's
they're
a
little
more
than
neighborhood
roads,
there's
not
an
hoa
and
there's
not
really
a
revenue
stream
that
we
can
tap
into
to
get
the
residents
to
pay,
and
there
really
aren't
as
many
residents
as
there
would
be
in
say,
rock
springs
ridge.
I
know
that
rock
springs
ridge
wants
some
speed
humps
on
caledonia
and
I'm
saving
that
conversation
for
another
day.
Okay,.
A
Any
other
questions:
okay,
awesome
thanks!
Thanks,
guys
appreciate
it.
Okay,
well,
our
guest
just
arrived
they're,
it's
not
on
the
schedule,
but
I
just
wanted
it.
It's
got
a
call
from
the
the
mexican
consulate
about
a
sister
city
program
that
they
they
wanted
to
to
offer
up.
You
know
a
great
city.
We
had
a
great
conversation
yesterday
about
their
city
and
we
have
with
us
roberto,
sosa
picardo
who's.
The
mayor.
A
And
so
he's
going
to
come
forward,
if
you
want
to
give
us
a
few
words
about
your
city
and
then
and
anyway,
we're
looking
forward
to
being
a
sister
city
with
good
friends
that
now
are
just
like
an
about
what
a
hundred
miles
outside
of
mexico
city
north
of
mexico
city.
Yes,.
Q
Q
Good
afternoon,
ladies
and
gentlemen,
it's
a
true
honor
for
me
to
be
in
this
beautiful
and
prosperous
city
and
great
it
residents
fought
mayor,
brian,
nelson
and
his
distinguished
commissioners.
Thank
you
very
much,
mr
nick
nesta.
Muchas.
Thank
you
very
much,
mr
alexander
smith.
Gracias.
Thank
you
very
much,
mr
doug
weinstein.
Q
Q
Q
B
B
And
you
know
it's:
it's
been
a
pleasure.
I
have
been
very.
I
have
been
very
involved
with
the
mexican
consulate
since
2014
and
I've
had
the
pleasure
of
attending
many
events
at
the
mexican
council
and,
of
course,
I've.
I've
had
a
friendship
also
with
a
consul,
and
I'm
sorry
that
he's
not
here
today,
but
we
are
excited
about
this
partnership
and
certainly
extending
a
friendship
because
they
feel-
and
it
is
kind
of
documented
that
you
know
papka.
B
So
thank
you
very
much
and
we
look
forward
to
the
partnership
and
we
look
forward
to
even
he
has
invited
each
of
us
to
come
and
visit
his
his
city
and
he's
very
proud
of
his
city,
and
he
says
it
mirrors
our
city
and
so
I'm
looking
forward
to
it.
So
thank
you
very
much.
A
R
A
Yeah
we
hit
it
off
so
well.
I
said
what
are
you
doing
tomorrow?
We
just
had
a
meeting
yesterday.
He
says
what
what
what
do
you
mean?
What
are
you
thinking?
I
go,
how
about
come
to
city
council,
so
they
they
changed
their
plans
around
and
were
able
to
come
be
with
us
today.
So
thank
you.
What
a
great
honor
and
privilege
to
to
be
having
a
sister
city.
A
Okay,
next
up
military
gala,
recap
gosh
what
an
event
what
two
weeks
ago,
I
guess
has
it
been
that
long,
not
that
long?
Oh
man,
it's
the
time
is
flying,
but
anyway
just
we
got
the
whole
gang
coming
up
to
be
a
part
of
this.
Just
to
let
you
know
we
had
sonny
perdue,
which
is
the
former
secretary
of
agriculture,
come
down
from
well
he's
now
in
georgia,
but
secretary
of
agriculture
came
down
to
be
a
part
of
our
event.
A
That
was
the
the
same
day
that
we
had
the
the
jazz
fest.
So
that
was
the
reason
I
was
not
able
to
come
down,
and
so
we've
got
the
whole
committee
down
and
I
will
let
who's
gonna
you
gonna
take
take
it.
I
am
awesome.
Well.
S
S
So
this
fundraiser
was
to
be
held
just
for
our
veterans
for
the
for
the
little
things
that
fall
through
the
cracks.
Just
because
someone
is
a
veteran
doesn't
mean
they
get
a
dime
from
the
government.
Just
because
someone
is
a
veteran
doesn't
mean
they
really
have
to
fight
for
a
wheelchair
if
they
need
one.
S
A
personal
experience,
my
husband
was
a
triple
amputee
in
vietnam,
so
I
spent
40
years.
This
is
where
I
met
my
husband
as
a
matter
of
fact.
Sorry
I'm
off
track
here,
but
you
know
sometimes
it's
the
little
things
for
our
local
veterans.
It
could
be
a
pair
of
shoes,
it
could
be
gas
for
the
car
to
get
to
work
or
to
drive
their
spouse
to
work,
and
the
vfw
here
in
town
is
is
this
is
what
they
do.
You
got
a
veteran
that
needs
a
pair
of
steel-toed
boots,
say
they're,
starting
a
new
job.
S
S
So
after
much
planning
hard
work
and,
of
course,
support
from
our
community
sponsors,
we
were
able
to
have
a
beautiful
gala
event
at
the
apopka
community
center,
where
our
local
vfw
chapter
is
located.
This
fundraiser
fundraiser
was
overseen
by
diane
hobner,
who
was
the
ultimate
party
planner
and
no
one
works
longer
hours
than
diane
and
her
a-team.
To
make
this
event
to
remember.
S
S
Our
special
honored
guest
for
the
evening
was
one
of
our
very
own
apopka
residents
and
her
family
miss
destiny.
Click
who's
currently
serving
in
the
marines
overseas
in
japan,
who
graduated
from
apopka
high
school
and
her
family
came
to
our
gala,
and
actually
she
went
to
work
too.
She
didn't
come
to
be
the
guest
she
came
in.
She
pitched
in
to
help
with
the
fundraiser,
which
was
really
sweet.
S
So
the
reason
we're
here
today
is
to
share
our
exciting
news
with
the
community
y'all
ready
everybody
ready
all
right.
The
final
results
of
our
vfw
gala
fundraiser
was
an
incredible
amazing
and
over
the
top
amount
we
raised
more
than
we
could
have
ever
imagined.
Today.
We
are
all
here
and
we
are
very
happy
very
proud
and
extremely
excited
to
be
able
to
present
a
check
to
the
vfw
for
a
grand
total
of
twenty
eight
thousand
nine
hundred
eighty
three
dollars
and
eighty
five
cents.
T
Commander,
sorry,
andy
anderson
had
a
fall
on
his
scooter
and
has
broken
ribs.
So
that's
the
only
reason
he's
not
here
and
I'm
in
his
place
for
this.
Thank
you.
U
One
one
minor
item
to
call
to
your
attention
advertise
for
today's
meeting
was
the
second
reading
for
ordinance
number
29
24.,
which
was
the
adoption
of
the
kelly
park
community
development
district.
Unfortunately,
the
item
was
errone
was
erroneously
emitted
from
the
agenda
because
it
was
advertised
for
today
both
staff
and
the
applicant
are
requesting
that
the
matter
be
tabled
to
the
may
18th
meeting.
That
matter
has
to
be.
I
need
a
motion
and
a
vote
to
table
the
matter.
U
Tabling
the
matter
to
the
18th
will
not
require,
or
nor
necessitate
additional
advertising
advertising
for
the
item.
So
at
this
point,
I'm
requesting
that
that
the
it's
ordinance
number
two
nine
two
four
was
not
put
on
the
agenda.
U
It
was
inadvertently
omitted
from
the
agenda,
so
in
order
for
it
to
be
placed
on
the
agenda
for
may
18th
and
not
necessitate
additional
advertising,
I'm
asking
staff
is
requesting
a
motion
on
the
part
of
this
council
to
table
the
matter
that
was
advertised
for
today's
hearing
to
may
8
to
the
city
council
meeting
of
may
18th.
B
U
B
H
I
like
to
acknowledge
the
members
that
are
here
with
me
today
from
the
central
florida,
black
nurses
association.
Will
you
please
stand
we're
very
blessed
to
have
bernice
edwards?
Who
is
our
founder?
Ms,
mrs
edwards?
Will
you
just
raise
your
hand,
mrs
edwards,
and
then
I
have
monica
aiken
she's,
the
first
vice
president,
and
then
I
have
vernell
jordan,
who's,
the
second
vice
president
and
then
bernadine
fair,
who
is
our
health
policy,
chairperson,
bernadine
and
vernell,
and
myself?
We
all
live
here
in
apopka,
so
we
had
to
show
up
today.
H
Thank
you!
So
very
much!
So
let
me
just
tell
you
a
little
bit
about
our
organization.
It's
just
really
for
information
only,
but
we
were
established
in
1982
and
there
were
three
nurses
who
actually
established.
It
was
susie
forehand,
mrs
bernice
edwards,
and
also
merce
mercedes-clark,
who
is
deceased
this
year,
we're
celebrating
40
years
of
service
in
our
community.
We
serve
orange
county
seminole,
county
lake
county
and
osceola
county,
so
we're
all
over
the
place.
H
H
We
also
know
that
it
places
an
emotional
strain
on
individuals,
families
and
even
on
our
government,
so
we're
offering
services
to
prevent
disease,
preserve
health
and
prolong
life.
Our
organization
has
four
main
objectives
that
I'll
go
over
very
quickly.
We
want
to
advocate,
educate,
participate
and
then
also
elevate,
improve
the
well-being
of
those
that
we
serve.
H
Let
me
talk
a
little
bit
about
how
we
advocate,
so
we
advocate
for
health
equity.
We
know
that
every
human
deserves
to
receive
health
care,
and
so
we're
advocating
for
that.
Each
year,
central
florida,
black
nurses,
association,
along
with
our
national
black
nurses
association,
we
have
a
capitol
hill
day
in
washington,
and
so
when
we
went
this
year
in
february,
there
were
six
things
that
I
want
to
share
with
you
that
we
talked
to
the
legislators
about
in
our
representatives.
H
The
first
one
we
talked
about
was
the
nursing
workforce
issues.
Our
nurses,
particularly,
are
stress,
strained
and
their
caseload
can
be
very
difficult
at
times.
We're
also
talking
about
the
inequity
of
cardiovascular
health.
We
do
know
that
individuals
who
are
lower
socioeconomic
class
have
more
difficulty
getting
health
care
access
to
healthcare.
H
H
So
that's
on
our
agenda
and
on
our
focus
and
then
lastly,
we
are
looking
at
black
maternal
and
infant
health
mortality,
and
I
like
to
restate
that
that
we're
looking
at
all
mortality
for
mothers,
we
know
that
we
get
excited
about
the
baby
coming,
but
right
after
the
baby
comes
the
mom's
at
risk
for
complications,
and
so
we
know
that
if
we
don't
recognize
them
early
treat
them
early,
that
we
may
lose
a
mom
and
possibly
a
baby.
So
what
have
we
done
about
it?
H
We've
had
webinars
seminars,
we've
actually
been
published
in
the
orlando
times
paper
with
information
regarding
maternal
health,
and
so
we
are
in
the
community
raising
awareness
about
these
issues.
The
next
thing
that
we
do
is
educate
our
residents
as
well
as
our
nurses.
We
know
that
nurses
know
but
most
times
we're
the
most
unhealthy
people.
We
take
care
of
every
everybody
else,
but
we
don't
take
care
of
ourselves.
H
So
we
talk
about
heart,
disease,
diabetes,
sickle
cell
anemia
cancer
and
you
I
want
you
to
know
that
we're
promoting
the
covet
testing
and
we're
promoting
cova
vaccines.
I
will
pause
here
to
say
thank
you
to
our
commissioner
alexander
smith.
Last
year
we
wrote
a
letter
to
him
because
we
had
a
concern,
especially
when
they
were
doing
the
testing
and
the
vaccines.
We
wrote
a
letter
to
him
and
said
we
need
more
in
the
apopka
community
and
we
saw
more
so.
Thank
you,
commissioner
smith,
for
acknowledging
our
communication
with
you
and
for
responding
to
that.
H
I'm
sorry,
I'm
sorry,
I'm
so
sorry,
no
problem,
I'm
sorry.
So
I
want
to
let
you
know
that
we
did
receive
two
grants
this
year,
one
for
covet,
one
also
for
cardiac
health
and
then
want
to
let
you
know
that
one
way
that
we
elevate,
the
nursing
profession
in
helping
our
hospitals
is,
we
give
out
scholarships
each
year,
and
so
last
year
we
gave
up
five
scholarships
to
nursing
students
totaling
over
ten
thousand
dollars,
because
we
want
to
be
a
feeder
to
the
health
care
system.
K
Good
afternoon
david
hoffman,
I
live
in
rock
springs
ridge.
K
On
friday
march,
18
2022
a
fine
rock
springs
ridge,
citizen
richard
seaman,
and
I
were
handing
out
leaflets
at
your
entryway
along
rockridge
boulevard,
to
inform
citizens
of
an
hoa
board
meeting
scheduled
for
the
following
monday
evening
march
21st,
one
vehicle
an
extended
cab,
pickup,
pulling
a
boat
pulled
up
with
a
passenger
side
window
rolled
down
inside
the
cab.
Four
men
rode.
K
When
I
looked
in
the
window.
Lo
and
behold,
there
sat
nick
nesta
who
proceeded
to
admonish
me
by
declaring
that
the
consummation
of
the
51
acre
tortoise
preserve
deal
to
raise
funds
necessary
to
purchase.
The
closed
golf
course
would
seem
unlikely,
since
the
city
would
be
unlikely
to
approve
the
density
necessary
for
the
development
of
the
51
acres.
K
There
would
be
too
many
hurdles
to
clear
with
the
city
and
now
the
questions
to
you
nick
nesta.
Is
it
true
that
you
made
such
a
statement
by
extension
as
a
context
for
these
comments?
Why
should
we
rock
springs
ridge?
Citizens,
not
wonder
if
you
had
had
previous
discussions
regarding
these
matters
with
other
city,
commissioners,
previous
to
your
election
and
now
taking
your
seat?
K
K
K
A
A
C
K
I
I
Road
school
is
going
to
be
located,
and
I
told
them
I
would
come
to
the
meeting,
and
I
would
ask
that
representatives
from
the
city-
and
I
don't
know
who
the
liaison
is
whether
it
goes
through
the
county
or
through
you,
but
to
have.
I
would
assume
the
traffic
control,
the
police.
I
Come
down
and
I'll
be
glad
to
arrange
the
time
or
you
can
do
it
through
bert
or
the
president
of
the
hoa
or
myself.
You
have
my
contact
to
come
down
and
talk
to
them
about
what
to
expect.
I
We,
we,
we
experience
a
certain
amount
of
of
difficulty
in
there
because
we're
so
close
to
the
entrance
with
spin
fisher
and
buses
go
through
there.
People
will
park
on
the
wrong
side
of
the
road
going
in
the
wrong
direction
and
then
they'll
do
a
u-turn
to
exit
out
of
there
rather
than
following
the
streets.
I
So
I
mean
there
are
some
issues
that
I
think
the
police
should
be
aware
of,
and
it's
certainly
going
to
be
more
aggravated
with
the
opening
of
the
school
in
july
august.
Whenever
so,
I
just
asked
that
sure
we,
we
have
a
little
council
with
with
the
folks
that
are
going
to
be
managing
control
of
the
traffic
and
let
our
people
know
what
to
expect.
So
they
can
plan
for
that.
A
Yeah
I'll
have
pam
and
I
guess
we'll
go
ahead
and
bring
sergeant
harmon
in
in
who,
okay,
yeah
and
and
then
you
might
want
to
bring
in
somebody.
I
don't
know
who,
from
ocps
pam
that
okay,
because
I
think
we'll
try
to
get
yeah
and
we'll
do.
They'll
set
up
a
meeting-
probably
probably
just
here
in
city
hall,
somewhere
to
get.
I
V
W
Well,
that's
the
I
wanted
I'll
do
it
on
the
fly:
rod,
olson,
3156,
rolling
hills
lane
in
apopka.
When
I
welcome
back
mayor
and
commissioners
banks
in
velasquez
and
smith
and
welcome
to
nick
nesta,
you
got
big
shoes
to
fill,
but
I'm
confident
that
you're
going
to
fill
them.
Well,
I
promised
back
in
march
and
I'm
back
again
and
I've
been
beating
this
fourth
and
I
will
continue
to
beat
this
horse
backflow.
Preventers,
I
believe,
is
a
city
responsibility.
It
works
in
orange
county.
It
works
in
altamonte
springs.
W
W
This,
I
think,
should
be
done
on
a
quarterly
basis,
whether
you
rotate
that
amount
among
all
the
commissioners.
However,
you
choose
to
do
it,
I
think
it
needs
to
be
done.
We
as
a
community
should
have
a
quarterly
update
as
to
what
the
status
is
on
cleaning
our
city
up,
and
the
last
piece
I
have
is
for
all
the
people
out
here
that
we
have
an
obligation
to
bring
up
and
to
die.
W
Excuse
me
to
bring
up
and
to
consult
with
our
city.
Commissioners,
with
our
city
departments,
we've
got
wonderful
people
that
sit
up
here.
We
got
wonderful
people,
I
work
for
the
city
apopka.
We
need
to
communicate
with
them.
What
we
see
if
there's
potholes,
make
a
phone
call,
send
an
email
if
there's
a
concern
with
streets.
If
you
want
to
have
south
of
papa
annexed,
you
need
to
speak
up,
you
need
to
show
up,
and
if
you
don't
you
accept
what
people
do.
People
have
argued
about
all
this
voting
things
going
on.
W
A
We
interesting
we
just
had
our
first
meeting
with
keep
america
beautiful.
You
know
we
joined
that
the
city
council
approved,
I
want
to
say
it
was
forty
five
hundred
dollars.
I
tell
you,
it
looks
like
it's
gonna
be
an
awesome
program.
I
don't
think
nicole's
here
to
go
over
it,
but
she's
gonna
be
running
point
on
that,
and
what's
really
nice
about
the
keep
america
beautiful
it's
it's
got
it's
measurables,
it's
not
just
hey,
they
have
like
streets
and
it
goes
from
a
one
to
a
four
one.
A
Being
you
know
perfectly
clean
to
four
being
you
know
you
gotta
bring
in.
You
know,
equipment
to
clean
it
up.
So
it
was
a
a
really
good
first
step,
we're
going
to
need
some
committees,
only
people,
step,
step
in
and
and
help
us
with
those
committees
so
rod.
I
I'll
put
you
down
I'll,
find
a
couple
committees
for
you.
Yes,
sir,
so
yeah
we'll
hopefully
be
rolling
that
out
within
the
next
30
to
60
days.
You
know
what
we're
what
we're
going
to
ask.
Obviously
it's
got
to
be
a
lot
of
volunteers.
A
It's
it's!
It's
all
of
us
coming
together
to
make
make
a
difference
here
in
apopka.
Next
up,
susan,
okay,
okay,
all
right
all
right,
consent
agenda,
we've
got
seven
items
on
the
consent
agenda.
Anybody
need
to
pull
any
of
those
items.
If
not
look
for
a
motion
to
approve,
as.
X
Good
afternoon
gene
sanchez
with
the
planning
and
zoning
division.
This
is
our
request
to
recommend
approval
of
the
emerson
point
phase
ii,
major
development
plan.
The
property
is
located
west
of
martin
road,
north
of
state,
road,
414
and
west
of
hawthorne
avenue,
approximately
69
acres
in
size,
the
emerson
point
phase
ii.
Major
development
plan
proposes
a
225
unit
residential
subdivision,
consisting
of
97
single-family
detached
units
and
128
townhome
units
developed
in
one
phase.
X
The
city
council
approved
a
planned
development
master
plan
on
november
3rd
2021,
and
all
elements
of
the
major
development
plan
are
consistent
with
that
are
consistent
with
that
pd
master
plan
consistent
with
the
master
plan.
The
lots
range
in
sizes,
including
34,
lots
with
55
feet
in
width,
25
lots
with
60
feet
in
width;
38,
lots
that
have
65
feet
in
width
and
128
townhome
units
with
22
feet
in
width.
The
65
foot
wide
lots
are
proposed
along
the
northern
perimeter
of
the
subdivision
to
buffer
the
interior
of
the
site
where
the
townhomes
are
proposed.
X
26.25
acres
of
the
project
area
are
reserved
for
open
space
and
8.71
acres
are
dedicated
to
recreation,
amenities
that
include
a
swimming
pool,
cabana
playground
with
slide
swings
and
a
rock
climbing
wall.
10
pocket
parks
with
a
combined
total
of
1.6
acres
are
also
included
and
8
acres
are
reserved
for
conservation
and
cars
features
located
at
the
northern
and
western
portion
of
the
site.
X
X
No,
there
isn't
the
rest
of
it
have
been
approved
for
either
amenity
or
open
space
or
recreation.
So
there's.
E
B
E
M
I
just
was
curious:
if
staff
had
any
concerns
about
the
proximity
from
the
roundabout
to
that
entrance,
I
mean
it
appears
with
the
with
the
stacking
lane
that
everything
should
be
fine
and
there's
left
turn
coming
from
the
north
down.
So
was
there
any
concern
or
any
discussion
about
that?
There.
P
F
My
only
concern
was-
and
I
spoke
to
community
development
about
it
already-
is
that
this
subdivision
students
are
playing
for
wheat
elementary
and
I
just
felt
like
there
should
have
been
an
additional
sidewalk
added
down
cleveland
to
phyllis
wheel
elementary.
But
I
understand
we
don't
have
the
right
way
to
do
that
in
additional
sidewalk
along
hawthorne,
but
I've
already
talked
to
human
development.
So
I'm
fine,
so.
A
You
you'd,
like
pam.
Could
you
at
least
send
a
note
to
pam
would
sent
a
note
to
orange
county
about
his
commissioner
smith's
concerns
about
sidewalking
and
if
we
need
to
step
in
on
our
pieces,
if
there
are
pieces
there
that
we
need
to,
we
got
a
little
money
left
in
our
in
our
advertising
kitty.
So
maybe
we
can
help
put
that
together.
P
There's
not
a
place
to
cross
really
without
them,
going
down
to
the
roundabout
and
crossing
there,
where
the
crosswalk
is
they've
already
designated
that
area
as
a
hazardous
walking
condition,
and
so
they
should
be
providing
bus
service
to
the
students
that
live
on
that
street,
and
I
was
copied
on
an
email
earlier
this
week
or
I
got
a
call
from
orange
county
public
schools.
There's
a
resident
that
lives
somewhere
over
there
and
she
pointed
out
there's
some
like
13
students
that
go
to
wheatley.
P
R
Z
Hey
there
tina
demosnian
with
mi
homes,
we're
the
residential
developer
on
the
portion
of
the
property
just
again
wanted
to
reiterate,
we
really
appreciate
staff's
assistance.
Through
this
we
know
they're
running
thin
right
now
and
gene
has
been
super
helpful
and
answering
questions
and
keeping
it
moving.
Z
So
I
just
want
to
know
that,
because
I
know
they're
running
thin
and
I
did
want
to
point
out
that
there
is
a
commercial
out
parcel
in
the
front
of
it
and
to
relieve
the
traffic
they're
they're,
actually
entrances
in
off
the
our
entrance
drive
it
doesn't
entrance
enter
on
or
off,
martin.
Okay,
thank
you.
A
C
A
Opposed
motion
carries
unanimously
next
up
developers,
agreement,
amendment
city
center,
first
amendment
to
the
amended
and
restated
developers
agreement;
okay,
all
right.
D
I
want
to
make
sure
we're
all
set
for
this.
I
only
have
an
overhead
for
the
location
map
itself-
jim,
hey
community
development
director.
This
is
the
it's
a
request
from
the
new
owner
of
the
apartment
site
over
at
the
city
center,
which
is
at
the
southeast
corner
of
south
alabama
and
east
6th
street.
This
is
the
first
amendment
to
the
amended
and
restated
development
agreement
with
south
for
southwick
commons
ltd.
D
D
D
The
item
in
question,
though,
is
the
development
agreement
itself,
which
does
have
a
couple
hurdles
for
them
to
go
before
they
actually
can
actually
apply
for
the
the
building
permit
or
the
the
development
permit
itself.
It's
a
little
bit
of
background
just
for
the
just
for
the
record
for
the
project
summary.
D
On
july
22nd
2016,
the
city
entered
into
an
adult
development
agreement
with
taurus
apopka
city
center
llc,
which
is
we
refer
to
that
as
the
agreement
for
the
development
of
a
mixed-use
real
estate
project,
now
known
as
the
city
center,
the
agreement
was
based
on
a
vision
for
the
area
that
was
created
through
public
involvement
and
effort
with
the
community
itself.
There
was
a
quite
a
few
different
meetings
that
were,
they
were
held
for
the
design,
the
location
and
what
was
going
to
be
part
of
that
city
center
itself.
D
there
were,
there
were
a
couple
items
that
were
added
into
for,
or
added
for
the
apartment
site
itself,
one
of
those
pertained
to
the
the
actual
luxury
items.
We
did
get
rid
of
a
nine-foot
ceiling
requirement
because,
basically,
that's
something
that
no
apartment
builders
are
building
nine-foot
ceiling
ceiling
rooms.
D
D
Taurus
apopka
city
center
llc
did
complete
the
purchase
of
the
apartment
site
from
the
city
of
apopka
on
november
1st
2021,
and
subsequently
resold
it
to
the
developer
software
commons
ltd
on
november
2nd
2021..
The
request
in
this
case
is
the
the
first
one.
This
is
part
of
the
packet
is
that
the
current
requirement
is
to
is
for
balconies
and
porches
on
the
units
there's
approximately
192
to
195.
That's
something
that
we
also
have
to
work
out
in
terms
of
the
total
acreage.
D
Their
proposal
is
to
reduce
that
down
to
36
units
of
195
or
18
of
the
units
themselves.
They
also
as
part
of
that
same
exhibit.
They
are
looking
to
expand
the
details
on
what
a
luxury
apartment
item
is,
and
they
actually
match
a
lot
of
the
developments
that
they've
that
they've
they
have
in
in
in
florida.
D
In
terms
of
the
details,
they're,
the
the
items
include:
a
community
gathering
area
club
rooms,
a
computer
room
with
a
library
area,
a
gym,
an
exercise,
room
leasing,
office,
of
course,
a
gazebo
and
grill
area,
community
garden,
a
pool
storage
units
inside
that
are
available
to
lease
to
tenants
and
bicycle
storage.
These
are
items
that
are
typically
more
associated
with
a
luxury
apartment
complex.
D
The
second
item
that
they're
requesting
to
change
is
the
exhibit
g,
which
is
to
strike
out
the
non-subsidized
and
market
rent
portion
for
the
development
agreement
itself.
Staff
had
been
in
contact
with
orange
county.
There
was
a
few
different
ways
that
the
developer
developer
was
looking
to
fund
the
to
fund
the
apartment
complex
and
one
of
those
items
did
include
getting
a
construction,
basically,
a
construction
grant
from
orange
county,
and
I
had
gotten
an
email.
This
is
also
in
the
staff
write-up.
D
I
had
gotten
a
email
from
mitchell,
glasser
who's,
the
manager
of
the
orange
county,
housing
and
community
development
division,
and
it
did
state
that
they
did
get
2
million
dollars
and
there
is
a
portion
that
75
percent
of
the
units
had
to
be
set
aside
for
low
income
in
those
75
percent
low
income
units,
10
percent
had
to
be
set
aside
for
very
low
income.
D
This
is
something
that
that
was
the
reason
that
staff
had
actually
put
in
the
requirement
back
in
2020
to
state
non-subsidized
or
market
rent,
because
as
soon
as
you
basically
give
a
discount
on
or
give
a
grant
to
something
that
reduces
the
rent,
it's
we
would
consider
that
subsidized
city
did
receive
a
letter
from
mayor
jerry
demings,
which
is
attached
in
the
packet
that
did
state
that
wendover
was
also
successful
in
winning
state
funding
for
workforce
housing.
D
Grant
from
the
house
from
the
florida
housing
finance
corporation
in
8.6
million,
so
we've
got
about
10.6
million
dollars.
That's
going
towards
this
this
project
at
this
time.
D
AA
D
One
from
fall,
fair
cloth,
which
is
right
next
door
and
then
also
from
charter
oaks.
Excuse
me,
the
hoa
both
were
recommending
that
city
council
recommend
denial
for
these
requests.
As
I
mentioned,
the
the
luxury
items,
I'm
all
in
favor
of
the
luxury
items
those
are,
it
does
clarify
quite
a
bit
better.
What
we're
looking
for
and
those
are,
as
I
mentioned,
those
are
items
that
that
wendover
and
southwood
commons
actually
uses
in
the
majority
of
their
other
developments.
D
I
know
the
applicant.
They
also
have
a
powerpoint
that
they'd
like
to
show
also
at
this
point
so.
C
AB
Good
afternoon
mr
mayor
commissioners,
ryan
von
weller,
wendover
housing
partners
and
southwest
commons
ltd
great
to
see
you
all
again.
I
appreciate
your
time
and
discussing
our
proposed
project
here
in
the
apopka
city
center.
I
wanted
to
go
through
a
couple
different
things
today,
my
initial
focus
was
going
to
be
on
providing
information
about
the
development,
so
I
do
have
a
powerpoint
that's
going
to
go
through.
You
know
all
the
things
we're
proposing
what
the
development
will
look
like
examples
of
our
other
product
types
both
locally.
AB
Here
we
have
a
couple
within
a
mile
of
this
building.
We
also
have
developments
throughout
the
southeast
and
throughout
florida,
so
I
have
a
powerpoint
to
share,
but
first
I
want
to
go
through
a
couple
things
in
the
staff
report
that
was
given
to
you
guys.
I
believe
there
are
some
inconsistencies
in
here
and
when
I
read
through
this,
I
thought
it
would
be
very
important
for
me
to
kind
of
point
out
our
point
of
view
and
how
we
view
this
versus,
what's
being
presented
to
you
folks
today
via
the
staff
report.
AB
C
AB
We're
done
here
to
put
in
the
public
record
very
clearly
in
this
email
when
I
went
to
confirm
zoning
in
unit
count.
The
letter
came
back
to
me
and
says
you
have
the
right
to
build
195
units
on
this
site.
There
is
a
corner
clip
of
a
right
of
way
that
you
will
be
given
credit
for
which
takes
the
unit
count
from
192
to
195.
AA
AB
AB
AB
I
believe
also
that
the
luxury
and
upscale
are
subjective
terms
that
really
had
no
definition
either
in
your
code
or
in
the
general
nomenclature
either.
I
think
if
we
asked
100
people
to
define
that
you'd
get
100
different
answers,
as
mr
hitt
did
acknowledge.
Mitchell
glasser,
with
orange
county,
did
write
back
and
point
blank
say
at
the
bottom
of
this
page.
We
do
not
consider
our
funding
to
be
subsidized
in
the
development,
I'm
not
sure
how
much
clearer
you
can
be
about
that.
C
AB
Stand
by
that
today,
so
I'm
here
today
to
provide
clarity
to
this.
You
know
once
again-
and
I'm
also
here,
because
I
cannot
proceed
with
the
review
of
my
plans
and
documents
until
this
item
is
resolved,
so
I've
been
at
a
standstill
for
quite
some
time
in
this
development.
Now
this
development
is
funded.
AB
It
is
identify
the
top
of
the
third
page
on
the
bottom
of
the
first
paragraph
staff
fills
out
these
forms-
that's
not
there,
but
in
parenthetical,
typically
that
typically
provide
for
bank
funding
for
development,
in
other
words,
they're
talking
about
the
form
that
the
city
filled
out
in
direct
evidence
of
this
development
and
what
was
going
on.
This
form
was
signed
on
november
4th
2020..
AB
AB
Anyone
that
has
worked
in
any
kind
of
municipal
environment
on
planning
and
zoning
knows
what
the
florida
housing
finance
corporation
does.
It
is
not
ambiguous.
This
is
not
a
generic
form.
The
middle
of
this
document
reads
very
clearly.
The
undersigned
service
provider
confirms
that,
as
of
the
date,
this
form
was
signed.
The
above
reference,
development's,
proposed
number
of
units
density
and
intended
use
are
consistent
with
the
current
land
use
regulations
and
zoning
designation.
This
was
signed
in
2020
november
4.
AB
Are
all
in
the
state
public
record
as
well
the
last
line
of
this
of
the
staff
report,
because
this
orange
county
award
effectively
eliminates
the
market
rate
rent.
So
I
went
today
and
I
pulled
co-stars
most.
C
AB
Obviously,
in
the
last
year
we
have
seen
an
extraordinary
amount
of
rent
growth.
Now
this
rent
growth
is
not
predicated
upon
any
particular
pocket
of
orlando
being
greater
than
any
other
we're
seeing
inflationary
inflationary
costs,
we're
seeing
you
know
all
sorts
of
different
struggles
in
the
marketplace
to
build
and
deliver
attainable
and
affordable
housing.
AB
As
you
will
see
in
this
document,
and
as
we
get
into
in
a
few
minutes
in
my
powerpoint
presentation,
none
of
these
markers
hit
two
thousand
dollars
a
unit.
The
three
bedroom
on
here
shows,
even
though
trending
up,
they
predict
we're
at
the
very
peak
of
it,
and
a
three
bedroom
in
this
corridor
is
still
sub
two
thousand
dollars
at
the
market
rate.
AC
AB
Thank
you.
So
again,
I
know
we
spoke
multiple
times.
I
met
with
all
of
you
individually
over
the
course
of
time,
and
I
was
here
six
months
ago
providing
a
very
similar
presentation
to
this,
but
I
wanted
to
come
back
again
and
show
you.
You
know
further
examples,
what
we're
doing
and
also
update
you
on
some
of
the
nuances
and
things
that
occurred
in
2022..
So
we've
been
around
doing
this
for
20
or
30
years
right,
so
we're
one
of
the
largest
affordable
and
attainable
housing
and
workforce
housing
developers
in
central
florida.
AB
If
not
the
state
of
florida.
Currently,
we've
got
over
2500
units.
In
the
pipeline,
we
were
selected
by
universal
studios
to
do
a
thousand
workforce
and
affordable
housing
units
for
them
via
a
national
search,
competitive
rfp
search
and
we're
deemed
to
be
the
best
in
class
amongst
our
peers.
Throughout
the
united
states
of
america,
we
own
our
own
management
company.
We
management
we
manage
all
of
our
own
properties.
We
do
not
outsource
this.
We
maintain
and.
AB
AB
Of
the
building
as
well,
here's
the
elevation
that
was
proposed
for
southwick
commons.
We
believe,
aside
from
the
balcony
issue,
that
mr
hitt
raised,
which
we
we
can
address.
Obviously
the
look
and
feel
of
this
apartment
complex,
is
no
different
than
any
other
class.
A
apartment
complex,
that's
going
to
be
built
anywhere
else
in
the
city
or
elsewhere
in
central
florida.
AB
If
you
drive
by
one
of
our
other
developments
here
in
town,
I
think
you
I
get
positive
feedback
constantly,
not
only
from
you
folks
in
the
day,
which
I
appreciate,
but
also
from
the
community
and
from
other
affordable
housing
developers
as
well.
I
think
our
product
and
the
way
we
build
it
and
maintain
it
really
proves
that
we
are
here
for
the
long
haul
and
we're
trying
to
build
something
that
is
upscale
for
our
residents.
AB
A
little
bit
different,
look
at
the
site
plan.
This
is
true,
north
south.
You
can
kind
of
see
what
what
we
proposed.
AB
Our
initial
proposal
on
building
three,
which
is
off
of
alabama,
was
also
a
four-story
building
and
at
the
request
of
staff
and
the
commission,
we
did
lower
that
to
three
stories.
So
this
site
plan
has
been
reconfigured
slightly.
A
couple
of
buildings
have
been
flipped
in
order
to
achieve
a
three-story
configuration
along
alabama
in
order
to
appease
as
much
as
we
can
the
area
residents
and
not
have
a
four-story
building
on
the
street
across
from
from
single
family
again
another
look
at
the
site
plan.
AB
There's
no
way
to
read
that
I
apologize,
even
if
I
zoomed
in
it
got
blurred
inside
the
pdf,
you
can
kind
of
see.
This
is
the
site
plan
that
was
submitted
to
the
city.
You
can
kind
of
see
sixth
street
at
the
top
in
alabama
running
down
the
side
there.
AB
So
the
big
question
that
was
asked
was:
what
are
the
rents
at
this
property?
So
you
know
through
the
grapevine
people
come
back
to
me,
so
I
heard
there's
every
rent
there's
going
to
be
300.
I've
heard
it's
200.
I've
heard
it's
whatever
500.
This
is
not
a
public
housing
development.
Let
me
be
very
clear
again.
This
is
not
a
public
housing
development.
This
is
not
a
section
8
development
under
the
truest
terms
of
subsidized
housing.
That's
what
that
is.
This
is
a
private
sector.
AB
Li-Tech,
affordable
housing
development
with
80
median
80
percent
ami
units
versus
the
media
in
orange
county,
so
these
are
updated
since
last
time
and
since
I've
seen
most
of
you,
they
have
gone
up
significantly.
The
red
outlines
show
the
different
income
bans
that
will
be
served
here
and
then
on
the
right.
You'll
see
the
rip
levels,
so
160
of
the
195
units
that
we
are
building
here
will
be
in
the
bottom
two
categories:
60
80
and
you'll
see
a
three
bedroom
there,
725.
AB
So
this
is
not
a
development.
That's
going
to
be
subsidized,
it's
not
something
where
people
don't
work.
It
is
a
development
that
you
have
to
qualify
to
live
here.
By
proving
you
have
the
income
availability
to
pay
the
rent,
but
also
stay
beneath
the
threshold
that
is
intended
to
be
to
keep
it
affordable
and
keep
it
serving
the
proper
demographic.
AB
In
addition
to
income
verifying
all
of
our
folks,
we
do
criminal
background
checks.
We
do
credit
checks
if
anyone
breaks
their
lease
breaks,
the
terms
released
in
any
way
shape
or
form
just
like
anywhere
else.
We
have
the
right
to
evict
them
immediately.
These
are
not
housing
by
right.
It's
not
in
perpetuity
it's
an
annual
renewal,
just
like
everywhere
else
in
any
other
apartment
complex,
you
would
ever
be
in
back
to
our
luxury
and
upscale
commentary
earlier.
These
are
actual
photos
of
properties.
AB
We've
built
the
last
few
years,
many
of
them
here
in
central
florida,
so
I
don't
need
to
go
through
every
one
of
them.
I'll
kind
of
give
you
just
a
quick
tour
through
here
common
areas
pools.
As
mr
hitt
mentioned,
the
items
you
guys
mentioned
as
luxury
in
your
d.a
we
meet,
we
provide
those
as
standard
those
aren't
add-ons.
We
didn't
come
back
and
say:
okay,
we'll
do
that.
That
was
already
going
to
be
in
the
plan.
AB
You
can
see
our
pools,
clubhouse
areas,
gathering
rooms,
you
know
the
facade
of
the
building
library
area,
computer
area,
the
bottom
right.
We
just
opened
in
pine
hills,
at
silver,
star
and
pine
hills
with
commissioner
siplin
leading
the
way
and
mayor
demings
on
that
beautiful
four-story
senior
complex
that
just
opened
about
a
month
ago,
theater
rooms,
computer
labs.
We
have
after-school
programs
for
children
in
our
family
developments
in
these
computer
labs.
We
partner
with
orange
county
public
schools
to
bring
in
tutoring
free
printers.
AB
I
mean
all
the
things
you
need
that
many
of
these
families
don't
have.
We
provide
again
more
looks
into
what
we're
trying
to
do
here
and
you
know
to
me
this
is
a
very
luxury.
Upscale
look,
it's
a
product
type
that
that
we
firmly
believe
in
and
we're
proud
of
the
product
that
we
present
we
and
we
provide
to
the
communities
that
we
work
in.
So
with
that,
that's
all
my
spiel,
I'm
happy
to
answer
any
questions
or
anything
else
you
guys
may
have
for
me.
B
You
know
that
I
have,
I
have
certain
I've
met,
mr
jonathan
wolfe,
a
few
years
ago
during
my
intern,
between
my
commissionership
here
and
I've
always
been
first,
I
was
very
impressed
with
the
product
that
he
does
build
and
not
only
that
you
know
just
from
talking
with
him.
I've
actually
visited
some
of
his
residents.
J
B
I
don't
understand,
I
feel
he's
got
a
very
good
product,
and
not
only
does
he
build
it,
he
keeps
it
in
his
portfolio,
he
doesn't
give
you
know
he
doesn't
sell
it
and
he
continues
to
take
care
of
all
his
properties.
B
B
This
happens
to
be
on
our
dais,
live
work
and
play
in
apoca
and
you're
right
right.
The
number
one
problem
that
we're
having
here
the
number
one
crisis
that
florida
the
state
of
florida
is
having
is
a
housing
crisis,
and
this
housing
residential
facility
will
provide
affordable
homes
or
apartments
or
units
to
our
workforce.
B
Those
are
the
ones
that
have
been
becoming
homeless
since
kovitt,
and
you
know
I'm
really
very
proud
of
his
product,
and
I
feel
that
you
are
bringing
in
something
to
the
city
of
apopka
that
is
so
much
needed
for
our
workforce.
We
are
growing,
we
have
goja
amazon,
avent
health,
and
these
are
workers
that
don't
earn
more
than
60
000
a
year.
They
burn
between
35
and
maybe
60
000,
and
they
all
need
to
live
somewhere
and
the
homes
right
now
are
four
hundred
thousand
dollars
and
more
they
can't
afford
to
buy
a
home.
B
You
know
I'm
for
the
apartment,
they,
you
know
what
I'm
hearing
is
from
the
residents
around.
It
is
a
fear-
and
I
I
don't
know
what
the
fear
is
when
they
hear
the
word
subsidized.
I
I
don't
understand
what
that
means.
I
understand
what
rent
stabilization
is.
B
B
So
when
you
had
to
meet,
did
you
have
a
meeting
last
night
with
the
residents.
AB
Yeah
very
sparsely
attended,
despite
advertising,
yes
and
I've
reached
out
to
some
of
the
residents
that
have
written.
Are
you
folks
as
well
and
offered
you
know,
to
meet
them
at
their
convenience
anywhere
virtually
in
person
and
got
no
response
back
either?
So
I
did
make
the
effort
to
reach
out
as
requested
you
mentioned
a
couple
things
I
want
to
hit
on
which
I
think
are
important
here.
What
do
people
fear?
People
fear
the
unknown
right.
AB
AB
You're
exactly
right,
there
weren't
two
of
these
developments
that
they
could
walk
to
practically
I'd
be
much
more
concerned,
but
you
know
we
have
two
beautiful
projects
here
that
we're
very
proud
of
in
apopka
wellington
park
was
actually
featured.
Governor
desantis
came
down
last
minute.
I
got
a
call
at
midnight
from
florida
housing
saying
we're
going
to
land
at
8
a.m.
Can
you
have
us
go
to
wellington
park,
it's
our
favorite
central
florida
project
and
bring
the
governor
there
for
a
photo
op.
AB
B
It
is,
and
you
know
I
just
hope-
that
my
fellow
commissioners
would
see
it
that
way.
This
is
something
that
apopka
needs
and
and
with
us
growing.
I
just
feel
that
it
it's
it's
a
place
that
we
will
be
able
to
keep
some
of
the
workers
in
apopka,
and
you
know
I'm
I'm
for
this
live
work
and
play
we've
got
to
do
it
for
everyone.
That's
right,
and
you
know
I
initially
I
you
know
I
had
some
reservations,
but
I
knew
mr
jonathan
wolfe.
B
Personally
and
again
he
was
very
open
and
he
said,
go
visit
on,
he
said
unannounced
go
visit,
all
my
properties,
and
you
tell
me
what
you
see
and
I
will
tell
you
that
some
of
them
have
been
around
for
a
very
long
time.
I
visited
four
and
of
course,
wellington
is
the
most
newest
one,
and
I
can
tell
you
that
they
were
all
immaculate
and
all
well
kept,
and
there
was
nothing
there
that
I
can
come
back
and
say:
oh
no,
you
know
they're
falling
apart.
That
was
not
the
truth.
AB
Thank
you
very
much,
and
one
last
note
I'll
add
is
that
this
particular
development
is
going
to
be
even
a
step
up
from
anything
we've
done
previously
right.
This
is
four-story
elevator,
with
the
exception
of
the
three-story
building
interior
corridors,
air-conditioned
breezeway,
no
breezeways,
air
conditioning.
You
know
you.
C
AB
M
The
the
product
that
you
have
I've
seen
it,
I
think
it's
a
wonderful
product,
and
you
know,
as
I
stated
when
we
met
about
these
things.
The
concern
is
the
word
that
I
have
to
keep
to
the
people
that
I
represent.
So
that's
the
rub.
It
has
to
be
something
where
they
feel
that
we're
protecting
their
interests,
that
we
have
in
the
developers
agreement
and
the
concern
of
it
being
switched.
M
I
hope
that
we
can
find
a
place
to
work
together
with
your
product,
because
it's
one
of
the
best
that
I've
seen
of
this
nature.
Yet
at
the
same
time,
unless
legal
can
say
why
what
we
have
stated
doesn't
mean
what
it
says,
then
I
don't
see
this
as
fitting
there
and
I
hate
to
say
that
again.
This
is
nothing
against
your
product
and
I
think
you're
doing
everything
you
can
to
bring
it
up
to
that
standard
of
expectation.
M
But
it
still
goes
to
those
who
have
already
had
investment
there
and
that's
that's
always
the
challenge,
because
when
we
have
developers
come
in,
I
love
development.
I
love
to
see
things
move
forward,
but
those
who've
already
been
there
have
their
their
life
already
planted
there,
and
when
that
is
upturned,
it's
it's
something
that
I
feel
like.
We
can't
just
ignore
because
of
what
is
coming
in
new.
So
I
think
we
need
to
look
at
the
bigger
picture
again.
M
The
the
new
restaurants
that
are
coming
in
the
new
brewery,
that's
coming
in
they've,
stated
great
concerns
that
they
they
came
in
investing
money,
investing
time
based
upon
what
was
in
our
developers
agreement.
So
for
that
to
change
it's,
I
just
struggle
with
it,
because
it's
as,
though
we're
not
keeping
our
word
and.
M
I
don't
know
if,
if
legal
I
mean.
C
U
U
However,
I
mean
that's
fine
with
all
due
respect
orange
county's
opinion,
that's
orange
county's
opinion
pursuant
to
rules,
regulations
or
how
it's
interpreted
in
orange
county
when
we
reviewed
this,
the
hud
definition
of
subsidize
is
very
broad
and
expansive,
and
it
includes
many
of
those
financial
assistance
and
aids
that
the
applicant
here
is
taking.
I
don't
want
to
take
an
advantage,
but
is,
is
using
in
order
to
to
construct
and
develop
the
project
under
hud's
extends
expansive
definition
of
subsidies,
the
achieving
and
receiving
funds
from
a
housing
trust.
U
Arguably,
it
falls
under
the
definition
of
a
subsidy,
so,
if
I'm
to
take,
while
our
term
is
not
expressly
defined,
we
then
go
to
the
next
sources
and,
as
in
my
review,
under
hud's
definitions
of
subsidies,
the
financial
assistance
that
this
developer
is
receiving
from
the
county
constitutes
a
subsidy
under
hud's
definitions
and
as
I've
expressed
before
to
this
council.
U
Cra
tax
credits
under
hud's
definition
of
subs
under
hud's
definition
count
as
a
subsidy.
There
are
many
other
things
that
may
not
be.
You
may
not
believe
or
commonly
may
not
be
considered.
Subsidies
as
hud
defines
a
subsidy.
It
does
fall
under
such
under
such
guidelines.
So,
therefore,
in
order
to
avoid
any
inconsistencies
with
hud's
definition,
the
request
was
to
remove
that
subsidized
language
from
the
development
agreement
in
order
for
this
use
to
be
to
be
consistent
with
the
existing
development
agreement.
U
One
of
the
second
points
I
want
to
have
a
response
to
this
was
in
clarification
on
what
this
verification
form
means.
The
applicant
can
come
in
and
say
well,
it
comes
from
the
florida
headed
up.
Give
me
a
second.
My
screen
saver
kicked
in.
U
It
it
comes
from
the
florida
housing
trust.
Therefore,
you
should
know
what
it
is
or
where
that
what
that
is,
and
what
that
comes
from
now
we're
going
to
the
crux
of
the
document.
The
document
is
not
asking
for
any
express
or
implicit
approval
of
the
proposed
use
that
the
applicant
is
seeking
on
behalf
of
the
city
yeah
this
the
document
is
merely
a
local
government.
Verification
in
which
an
applicant
is
asking
is
my,
is
my
proposed
use
consistent
with
the
existing
land
use
and
land
development
code
under
our
land
development
code?
U
The
type
of
residential
use
is
not
an
issue
we
do
not
differentiate
residential
uses
under
the
under
the
land.
Development
code
do
not
differentiate
between
rental
ownership,
high
income,
low
income,
it's
residential
use,
how
you
pay
for
it
is
irrelevant
when
it
comes
to
a
land
use
matter.
So
all
the
verification
form
seeks
is
an
applicant
states.
I
am
seeking
x
amount
of
units.
U
Does
this
property
have
the
land
use
and
zoning
to
allow
for
these
units?
And
it's
a
yes
or
no
question,
regardless
of
whether
that
type
of
use
so
in
responding
that
yes
x,
amount
of
units
are
consistent
with
the
land.
Development
code
does
not
constitute
an
express
or
tacit
approval
of
the
proposed
site
plan
or
the
proposed
the
actual
proposed
use
use
residential.
U
It
does
not
go
further
and
take
that
second
step
that
that
that
is
a
implicit
approval
of
subsidized
housing,
low-income
housing.
You
still
have
to
meet
the
requirements
of
the
development
agreement
which
are
tied
to
to
the
to
the
land.
So
I
just
wanted
to
clarify
that
in
in
in
response,
so
that
the
council
has
the
full
evidence
for
you
to
then
consider
consider
this
matter
in
rendering
a
decision,
because
this
we're
looking
at
an
amendment
to
a
development
agreement
constituted
development
order.
U
C
AD
AD
I
do
mayor
I'd
be
happy
to
to
respond
briefly
to
the
attorney.
My
name
is
becky
wilson,
I'm
an
attorney
at
the
law
at
the
law,
firm,
lowndes,
215,
north
eola,
drive
mayor.
You
know
I
get
I
get
antsy.
I.
I
also
appreciate
that
you
may
have
people
from
the
public
that
want
to
speak,
but
but
but
just
to
address
really
quickly
what
I
and
maybe
to
frame
it
up
for
you
all
when,
when
you're
listening
to
these
speakers,
the
way
I
see
it,
they,
you
all,
have
three
choices
today.
AD
One
one
choice
is
to
agree
with
with
ryan's
assertion
and
and
my
agreement
that
what
we
are
requesting
is
not
subsidized
housing.
We
are
providing
per
the
d.a
the
luxury
apartments
that
the
town
seeks
to
bring
people
to
the
city
center
to
spend
money.
So
we
are
abiding
by
the
luxury.
We
can
talk
about
how
many
balconies
you
guys
want,
but
we're
abiding
by
the
luxury
and
that
we
are
not
subsidized.
AD
AD
It
is
a
one-time
payment
that
allows
my
client
to
finance
this
in
a
manner
where
they
can
offer
reduced
rents.
And
so
I
I
agree
with
your
attorney
when
he
said
that
that
land
use
matters
usually
don't
implicate
how
much
someone
pays
in
rent,
because
there
are
a
lot
of
laws
around
a
local
government
requiring
certain
rents
and,
in
fact
that's
when
you
begin
to
run
afoul
of
the
fair
housing
act,
which
is
which
is
a
federal
federal
act.
AD
So
what
what
I'm
hearing
you
all
want
is
what
we
are
trying
to
give
and
if
we
can
give
luxury
apartments
and
we
can
take
tax
credits
so
that
we're
giving
these
luxury
apartments
at
a
more
affordable
rate
to
apopka
citizens.
To
me,
that
sounds
like
exactly
what
you
want
to
have
in
your
city
center,
so
that
people
have
more
money.
We
could
build
the
exact
same
thing,
we're
proposing
and
charge
more
in
rent,
and
nobody
would
be
stopping
us
to
me.
That's
antithetical
of
really
building
a
strong,
downtown,
so
number
one.
AD
You
can
agree
with
us
number
two.
You
can
agree
with
staff
that
that
this
is
somehow
a
subsidy
or
that
you
just
want
to
clean
up
the
d.a
so
that
it's
really
clear
and
you
can
say,
okay,
we
will
approve
the
development
agreement,
we'll
remove
the
word
non-subsidized
and
we'll
we'll
add
in
all
this
language.
That
makes
it
stay
luxury
or
or
your
third
option
is
to
go
with
the
staff
recommendation
to
deny
the
development
agreement
change
and
to
agree
with
them
that
this
is
a
subsidy,
so
just
to
frame
it
up
to
me.
AD
Those
are
the
three
options
before
you
all.
We
think
we
can
move
forward
without
a
change
to
the
da,
because
we
do
believe
that
we
are
providing
consistent
with
that
development
agreement.
If
there's
an
issue
with
the
subsidy,
we
just
wanted
to
your
your
staff
believe
there's
an
issue
with
the
subsidy
that
needed
to
be
cleaned
up,
so
we
wanted
to
be
transparent
and
be
here
today.
Thank
you,
mayor.
L
C
B
Add
something
that
the
emails
that
I
received
from
the
residents,
they
don't
have
an
issue
with
an
apartment
building
being
built
behind
them.
The
thing
that
everyone
seems
to
be
concentrating
on
is
the
word
subsidized
and
luxury,
and
that's
it
it's
not
that
they
don't
want
the
apartment
building,
they
want
it,
but
it
seems
like
we're
stuck
on
two
words.
That's.
F
All
right,
let
me
say,
first
of
all,
each
time
I
receive
an
agenda
and
there
is
a
new
project
on
board.
I
go
and
visit
each
site.
C
F
I
ever
meet
with
those
that
are
requesting
to
meet
with
us
individually,
and
so
I
did
that
in
this
project
when
it
came.
But
fourth
before
I
went
and
visited
several
of
the
projects
they
already
have
under
construction
or
already
developed,
and
then
after
meeting
with
mr
jonathan
and
asking
several
questions,
I
understood
what
he
was
trying
to
do
and
to
me
it
seems
like
it's,
a
a
win-win
for
the
city
of
apopka
that
we're
going
to
have
some
luxury
apartments.
F
That's
going
to
be
affordable
for
our
workforce
here
in
our
city,
many
of
the
individuals
that
work
in
our
city
live
outside
of
our
city
because
they
can't
afford
to
live
in
our
city,
and
so
with
this
development.
Coming.
It's
gonna
to
me
provide
an
opportunity
for
those
that
work
in
our
city
to
also
reside
in
our
city,
and
I
think
sometimes,
when
we
we
use
words
that
they
have
a
stigma
to
them.
F
And
that's
not
the
case
here,
and
I
asked
that
question
when
I
met
with
the
developer
and
he
said
no,
so
I
think
it's
an
ideal
project
and
I
think,
when
we
think
of
workforce
housing,
the
individuals
I
think
about
our
police
department,
our
fire
department,
our
nurses
and
those
other
individuals
that
we're
recruiting
to
come
to
be
in
our
city,
to
provide
jobs
for
our
residents
and
so
to
have
a
decent
place
to
live.
That's
affordable.
F
I
think,
by
having
these
luxury
apartments
next
to
the
town
center
is
going
to
provide
an
opportunity
for
those
that
are
in
that
income
bracket.
The
forty
thousand
dollars
thirty
thousand
dollars
that
they'll
be
able
now
to
have
some
income
left
that
they
can
go
to
the
cens
the
apocalypse
town
center
and
visit
those
restaurants
and
those
establishments
and
make
those
viable
businesses
in
our
community.
F
AB
Thank
you,
commissioner.
A
couple
points
of
that.
I
don't
believe
the
agreement
says
all
units
have
balconies
just
as
units
have
balconies,
so
that's
you
know
a
little
ambiguous,
I
believe
as
well.
I
don't
have
in
front
of
me,
but
that's
my
recollection
of
it
and
going
back
to
your
point
right
before
that.
You
know
we
worked
with
tourists
to
buy
this
property.
They
had
no
illusions
about
what
we
build,
what
product
type
we're,
bringing
what
we're
doing.
We
were
forthcoming
with
them,
the
entire
time
I
speak
with
them
on
a
regular
basis.
AB
Today
I
talked
to
them
yesterday.
They
know
exactly
what's
going
on
the
the
food
hall
developer
is
a
friend
of
mine,
the
guy
that
brought
winn-dixie,
I
know
so
to
to
insinuate
that
the
success
of
those
retail
ventures
is
somehow
predicated
on
the
income
levels
of
the
folks
that
live
in
this
apartment.
Complex,
I
don't
think,
is
a
true
statement.
AB
No
one
would
build
those
retail
types
they're
trying
to
capture
people
going
by
436
and
441,
trying
to
capture
the
people.
50
60,
70,
000
cars
a
day
coming
past
there.
The
195
units
back
here
are
certainly
a
bonus
to
create
walkability
to
their
to
their.
You
know,
services,
but
that's
not
the
driver.
I
mean
they're
on
a
super
high
traffic
road,
where
you
guys
have
put
an
intersect
light
and
done
some
other
beautiful
improvements
to
and
that's
what's
going
to
drive
their
success.
We
would
love
to
help.
R
This
project,
you
guys,
do
offer
and
I
don't
think
that's
up
to
debate.
You
guys
offer
a
great
product,
and
I
want
kind
of
all
of
us
to
put
that
through
a
filter.
We're
not
we're
not
looking
at
this
is.
Is
it
a
good
product
or
is
it
not?
I
think,
that's
indisputable,
it's
a
great
product.
What
we're
deciding
is,
does
this
fall
in
line
with
the
original
developers
agreement?
R
Is
that
something
we
want
to
be
working
with,
and
and
what
my
concern
is
that
if
we
start
changing,
I
mean
the
city
center
is
already
different
than
what
it
was
originally
agreed
to
or
what
is
originally
supposed
to
be
so
to
go
even
further
from
that
is
concerning
to
me,
especially
what
I
call
deal
fatigue,
the
longer
you
get
into
a
deal,
the
the
more
people
get
tired,
get
emotional
and
that
costs
money.
R
We
want
things
done
now
and
and
commercial
blasphemous
yeah
and
you
guys
all
kind
of
echoed
the
same
thing
that
everyone's
getting
stuck
on
luxury
and
non-subsidized,
but
I'm
actually
getting
stuck
on
the
the
final
one
market,
rent
attorney
wilson.
You,
you
specifically
stated
that
it
was
reduced
rents
which
I
think
is
exactly
not
market
rents.
I
know
you
put
up
a
a
slide
of
co-star.
AB
Northwest
corridor
of
the
orlando
msa,
okay,.
R
So
I
want
to
continue
the
biggest
sector
sure
on
hud
itself
has
a
calculator
for
what
they
call
market
rent.
It's
not
ambiguous.
It's
not
questionable
it
states
exactly
what
market
rent
is
for
orlando
msa
in
2022..
That's.
AB
A
fair
market
rent
assessment
that
is
correct,
that
takes
into
account
all
three
counties,
orange
osceola
and,
I
believe,
seminole
inclusive
of
all
the
downtown
corridors.
Correct.
R
Yep,
so
with
that
again
we
have
to
base
off
of
something
that's
non-ambiguous
and
and
and
the
numbers
that
you
presented,
we
don't
have
it
here,
but
on
your
slide,
presents
hud
numbers
as
well
that
what,
if
you
make
this
income
level
we're
going
off
of
this?
R
I
assume
that
was
in
orlando
msa
as
well,
so
it
also
took
into
account
that's
right,
downtown
corridor,
all
three
counties
and
all
that
so
to
use
those
dollar
amounts
to
back
into
what
a
market
rent
is
they
don't
line
up,
so
this
still
I'm
getting
rid
of
subsidized
getting
rid
of
luxury,
because
obviously
it
is
luxury
and
that
is
ambiguous,
but
market
rent,
I
feel,
is
defined
it's
defined
by
hud
and
and
and
that's
where
we're
at
that
sticking
point
of.
R
Do
we
just
put
in
something
that
is
an
apartment,
complex,
a
great
product,
or
do
we
put
in
something
that
is
with
what
is
in
line
with
what
the
developer's
original
well
amended
agreement
is.
I
feel
if
we
keep
changing
what
it
was,
then
our
agreements
mean
nothing
moving
forward
and
I
can
just
come
in,
buy
a
lot
and
and
do
whatever
I
want
with
it.
As
long
as
I
can
deal
fatigue
you
guys
long
enough,
that's
my
concern.
M
And
I
didn't
want
to
bring
up.
You
had
said
that
that
was
not
a
criteria
for
those
that
are
investing
there.
I
spoke
directly
with
him
twice
actually
this
morning
to
make
sure
I
had
clarity
what
his
concerns
were,
and
he
was
very
direct
and
said
that
he
specifically
exactly
as
you
explained
it,
it
has
to
do
with
what
is
in
the
present
d.a
and
he
wants
to
keep
it
there.
E
M
And
so
you
know,
when
I
speak
directly
with
the
people
that
live
there,
that
will
be
most
affected
and
with
those
who
have
invested
money
there,
you
know
it's
like
again
I'd
like
to
see
us.
This
is
an
area
that
I
would
love
to
see.
I've
really
wanted
to
see
something
like
this
develop,
but
it
doesn't,
it
doesn't
fit.
What
we
already
have
there
and
those
who
will
be
affected
directly
have
expressed
that
that
they
do
not
want
to
go
a
different
route,
and
then
it
gets
to
the
place
where
keeping
our
word
for
me.
M
A
AE
My
name
is
angela,
pusey
secretary,
treasurer
of
charter
oaks,
homeowners
association
and
forgive
me,
but
I
have
fatigue
today.
Listening
to
this
conversation
is
very
emotional
for
the
residents
of
charter
oaks
and
you're
wrong.
We
really
don't
want
an
apartment
complex
there,
but
we
can
accept
one.
If
that's
what
we
have
to
do.
AE
AE
AE
AE
We
are
not
opposed
to
development
on
this
property,
providing
it's
done
in
a
way
that
would
enhance
the
lifestyle
of
our
neighborhood
and
support
the
original
purpose
and
overall
concept
of
apopka
city
center
subsidized
multi-family
apartments
are
not.
The
type
of
development
residents
were
promised
in
2016
when
envisioning
apopka.
AE
AE
AE
D
M
D
AF
Hi,
michelle
chase-
I
wasn't
expecting
to
speak
today,
but
I
get
antsy
too,
especially
I'm
glad
I'm
here
today,
luxury
the
state
of
great
comfort
and
extravagant
living,
an
essential,
desirable
item
which
is
expensive
and
difficult
to
obtain,
and
I
think
banks
and
anesta
for
catching
the
market
value
and
what
I
caught
was
well.
The
paperwork
didn't
say
they
all
have
balconies
luxuries
apartments
have
balconies,
they
have
glass
balconies.
AF
I
visited
a
friend
downtown
in
a
luxury
apartment
that
had
a
hair
salon
and
next
to
it
was
the
dog
hair
salon.
So
she
could
take
her
poochie
next
door,
while
she's
getting
her
hair
done,
there's
a
need,
I'm
sure,
for
affordable
housing
in
apopka,
but
this
is
not
the
place.
I
was
part
of
that
vision
committee
back
many
years
ago
and
spent
many
hours.
AF
There
is
also
a
need
for
a
luxury
area
of
apopka,
an
outback
of
starbucks
the
hand
in
stone.
The
winn-dixie
was
already
a
shocker,
so
getting
this,
and
I
pulled
up
very
quickly
the
hud
stuff
and
it's
subsidy.
I
mean
you're
getting
see
they're
the
developers,
saving
saving
tons
and
tons
of
money,
but
that
should
not
be
at
the
expense
of
this
location
and
the
residents.
We
are
desperate
if
you're
not
reading
on
facebook,
the
residents
are
desperate.
We
we
deserve
something
special
and
that's
what
the
city
center
is.
AF
You
know
there's
we
need
it.
We
have
taco
bells,
we
have
dollar
stores,
galore,
give
us
something
luxury,
something
special,
the
the
pictures.
I
remember
from
the
vision
I
met.
You
know
walking
around
with
my
daughter
in
ice
cream
cones
at
night
and
and
mount
dora
or
winter
garden
downtown.
So
I'm
begging
you
to
have
a
vision.
AF
A
L
Arnold
smalley
small
world
solutions
I
live
in
apopka
also
in
rock
springs
ridge.
I
listened
to
the
presentation
like
that
he
gave
and
I
thought
I
looked
at
the
pictures
and
stuff
that
I
that
we've
seen-
and
I
heard
commissioner
bankston
say
that
departments
were
luxury
apartments.
They
they
looked
like
luxury
apartments.
L
L
We
don't
have
a
pool,
we
don't
have
a
community
center,
and
here
this
apartment
is
going
to
have
all
of
that,
but
you're
you're,
focusing
basically
on
your
biases
of
the
type
of
person,
that's
possibly
going
to
be
moving
in
there
and
that's
where
we
need
to
check
ourselves
and
say
you
know,
does
it
he
said
to
himself
the
park?
The
buildings
that
he's
building
could
go
for
3
500
a
month,
but
they're
not
going
to
do
that
because
they
want
to
make
it
more
affordable.
L
So
to
me
it
doesn't
change
the
look
of
downtown
or
the
city
center.
It
doesn't
change
the
look
at
all
you're,
more
worried
about
who's
actually
going
to
be
moving
in
there
and
that's
an
assumption
that
there's
could
be
like
more
crime
written
or
something
like
that.
That's
gonna!
That's
that's
what
I'm
hearing
hearing
you
guys
say.
I
know
you
didn't
exactly
say
that
and
no
one
did.
R
I
concern
I'm
concerned
about
just
honoring
what
was
already
in
place.
What
was
promised
to
the
citizens.
I
don't
have
a
any
type
of
issue
with
anybody.
I
think
that's
been
proven,
but
it's
making
sure
that
we're
sticking
with
what
was
originally
promised
to
the
citizens
in
that
area.
I
mean
this
was
a
big
change,
especially
for
that
area.
When
there
was
it
was
larger
estate
homes
it
was,
it
was
large
tracks
of
land,
no
hoas,
no,
nothing
and
then
coming
in
now
and
putting
a
multi-family
of
any
sort
is
a
huge
change.
R
So
to
get
to
that
point
already,
it
was
a
struggle
so
to
change
that
again,
it
seems
like
a
disservice
to
what
was
promised
previously.
Okay,.
L
Well,
based
on
what
he's,
what
I
heard
him
say
earlier
was
the
fact
that,
since
they
still
control
ownership
of
the
apartment
and
the
people
can
be
evicted
if
they
do
not
follow
those
guidelines
that
they
put
in
place
for
this
apartment,
to
keep.
Basically
the
people
that
you
wouldn't
want
live
next
door.
They
could
move,
remove
them
out
if
they
had
moved
in
there
to
do
that,
and
I'm
not
saying
any
colors
denominations
nothing
like
that.
L
I'm
saying
if
a
person
comes
in
they're
being
white,
black,
green,
blue,
yellow
purple,
whatever
any
person
that
moves
in
there
that
doesn't
follow
the
guidelines
or
doesn't
meet
the
criterias
of
what's
supposed
to
be
there,
that's
rather
well
respected
in
that
area
could
be
removed.
Is
that
is
that
true
what
you
said?
L
That's
that's
what
he
said
so,
therefore,
if
it's
a
quality
product
that
looks
like
a
quality
product
and
the
people
in
there
are
being
represented,
you
know
you
know-
and
the
lady
said
before
before
she
just
left
and
the
word
that
was
never
brought
up
before
and
she
said
safe
and
I
said
oh
there's
there's
a
kicker.
She
threw
that
word
safe
in
there
now.
That
goes
back
again.
L
M
M
Know,
as
was
stated,
we're
talking,
nurses,
firemen
police-
these
I
serve
consistently.
It
has
nothing
to
do
with
that.
It
has
to
do
with
the
word
that
we've
given
to
the
people
that
are
affected
by
it
and
keeping
that
word
that's
where
my
bar
is-
and
I
mention
that
to
you.
If
those
who
are
in
agreement,
you
know
if
they
come
together,
the
ones
that
are
affected
the
ones
whose
backyard
this
is
going
into
all
the
rest
of
this
means
nothing
to
me
again.
I've
said
I'd
love
to
work
with
you.
M
I
hope
we
can
do
that.
I
love
the
product.
I
I
want
to
see
workforce
housing,
but
this
it
goes
back
to
the
you
know.
As
she
stated
in
the
in
the
was
it
the
rfa
form.
I
can't
remember
the
exact
form,
but
I
went
and
looked
through
those,
and
it
did
say
it
was
a
subsidy
at
that
time.
U
I
mean,
if
we're
done
with
the
the
applicant's
section,
I
mean
to
clarify
what
the
issue
is
and
because,
when
we're
closing
judicial,
I'm
going
to
want
to
clarify
what
your
kind
of
parameters
are
for
your
decision,
I'm
going
to
concur
with
the
applicant's
counsel.
There
really
are
to
narrow
down
your
issues.
I
mean
one
decision
would
be
to
just
deny
this
request
for
the
amendment
to
the
development
agreement
that
would
leave
the
language
and
the
development
agreement,
as
is
in
regards
to
the
style
of
the
building
the
luxury,
the
balconies.
U
That
issue,
as
well
as
the
language
that
exists
under
the
permitted
use
of
the
development
agreement,
which
is
multi-family
residential
non-subsidized
market
rate.
If
the
applicant
believes
that
they
are
not
bringing
forth
a
subsidized
project
and
that
they
are
market
rate,
the
applicant
can
come
in
and
apply,
submit
and
state
that
they're
consistent
with
the
development
agreement.
They'll
do
so
at
their
own
risk,
and
then
we
can
proceed
forward
at
that
issue,
because
right
now
we're
only
discussing
amending
the
development
agreement,
we're
not
really
at
the
point
of
actually
approving
a
development.
U
So
I
want
to
narrow
it
down
that
the
this
there
there's
no
denial
yet
of
any
development
order.
There's
we're
seeking
their.
They
are
seeking
to
amend
the
language
to
come
forward
and
try
to
bring
their
their
project
change
the
language
of
the
development
agreement
to
arguably
make
theirs
consistent,
even
though
their
position
is
that
they
believe
they're
currently
consistent
with
a
development
agreement,
the
you
have
an
option
of
amending
a
portion
of
the
development
agreement
and
not
amending
another
one.
U
If
you
want
to
stick
to
the
non-subsidized
yeah
non-subsidized
market
rent
and
leave
that
alone,
you
can
go
and
amend
the
language
regarding
luxury.
If
it's
just
you
know,
percentage
of
balconies
or
those
types
of
things
to
create.
Well,
it
would
be
staff's
position
that
the
language
is
objective.
If
you
want
to
even
make
it
more
objective,
that
is
your
prerogative
to
amend
the
development
agreement.
U
U
Now
we
proceed
forward
and
we're
looking
at
the
concept
we're
looking
at
an
application
solely
for
multi-family
residential
to
put
it
on
the
record
just
to
be
clear,
because
this
is
when
this
was
previously
discussed,
the
the
hud
definition
for
subsidized
housing,
which
was
advised
to
staff
and
I'll,
read
it
to
put
it
into
the
into
the
record.
And
we
we
got
this
from
hud's
archives
and
there
they
actually
reference,
and
I
want
to
get
the
organization's
name
right
again.
U
There
they
represent,
they
reference
the
public,
housing
authorities,
directors,
association,
subsidized
housing
is
defined
as
a
generic
term,
covering
all
federal
state
or
local
government
programs
that
reduce
the
cost
of
housing
for
low
and
moderate
income
residents.
Housing
can
be
subsidized
in
numerous
ways,
giving
tenants
a
rent,
voucher,
helping
home
buyers
with
down
payment
assistance,
reducing
the
interest
on
a
mortgage
providing
deferred
loans
to
help
developers
acquire
and
develop
property,
giving
tax
credits
to
encourage
investment
in
low
and
moderate
income.
U
Housing
authorizing
tax-exempt
bond
authority
to
finance
the
housing,
providing
ongoing
assistance
to
reduce
the
operating
costs
of
housing
and
others.
Public
housing,
project-based
section,
8,
section,
8
vouchers,
tax
credits
and
state
housing,
trust
fund
and
the
seattle
housing
levy.
Programs
are
all
examples
of
subsidized
housing.
Subsidized
housing
can
range
from
apartments
for
families
to
senior
housing.
High
rises
subsidized
simply
means
that
the
rents
are
reduced
because
of
a
particular
government
program.
It
has
nothing
to
do
with
the
quality,
location
or
type
of
housing.
U
This
definition,
in
fact,
a
number
of
seattle
subsidized
housing
developments
have
received
local
and
national
design
awards.
So
that
is
the
broad-based
definition
that
hud
references
to
when
it
comes
to
subsidized
housing.
That
staff
has
taken
into
consideration
to
bring
consistency
with
the
current
language
within
the
development
agreement.
U
So
at
issue
is
for
the
council
to
decide
whether
we
want
to
whether
you
want
to
remove
that
defined
term
in
the
development
agreement,
so
that
whether
or
not
a
project
is
subsidized
in
any
fashion
of
the
many
variants
experiences
that
hud
provides
for
subsidy,
then
it's
that
issue
is
off
the
table
and
now
we're
strictly
looking
at
multi-family
housing
or
that
the
original
intent
of
the
developer
and
the
city
when
entering
into
the
agreement-
and
it's
important
to
note
that
the
language
and
the
the
prohibition
to
subsidized
or
the
language
that
permitted
uses
only
allowed
non-subsidized
and
market
rate
was
in
the
original
development
agreement
executed
in
2016
and
was
carried
forward
into
the
amended
and
restated
agreement
that
was
approved
in
2020
right
here.
B
U
So
that
language
appears
in
the
permitted
use,
it
actually
appears
in
permitted
uses
in
all
in
in
the
the
first
amendment
and
second,
it's
on
this
2016.
U
okay.
So
at
that
point
I
mean
that's
that
language
is,
is
there
and
it's
that's
what's
at
issue
is
whether
or
not
you
want
to
remove
that
specifically
defined
term
or
not,
and
then
and
based
on
the
presentation
of
staff's
presentation,
as
the
applicant's
presentation
can
and
and
based,
because
this
is
quite
judicial.
Your
decision
has
to
be
based
on
on
comp.
In
order
for
your
decision
to
be
challenged,
the
challenge
has
to
be
that
your
decision
is
not
based
on
competent,
substantial
evidence.
AB
Is
public
coming
close
or
so
yeah?
Okay,
sorry,
but.
C
R
AB
We
knew
about
it
right,
but
again
we
contest
that
our
program
that
we
went
into
is
not
a
subsidy
program
by
the
general
definition
of
our
industry
right.
So
I
heard
the
lawyer,
mr
read,
you
know
something
apparently
from
the
seattle
housing
authority
right
in
seattle,
multiple
times,
which
is
fine,
I
don't
have
a
legal
opinion
or
irs
letter
for
you
today
to
prove
my
point,
but
I
can
assure
you,
within
the
industry
the
nomenclature
subsidized
means
section
8
of
the
irs
tax
code.
AB
AB
again
the
tax
credits
we
receive,
provide
equity
for
the
development
right,
so
they're
awarded
to
us
syndicators
buy
them
bank
of
america
wells
fargo,
google,
warren
buffett,
you
know
every
main
investor
in
in
the
united
states
buys
them
to
provide
equity
for
these
and
their
own
tax
reduction
for
their
own
companies,
so
we're
taking
those
proceeds
and
providing
equity
for
our
development,
so
you
know
to
say,
equity
as
a
subsidy
means.
You
know
every
person
in
their
house
is
providing
a
subsidy.
AB
You
know
a
fha
loan
is
anything
could
be
a
subsidy
right,
so
you've
really
opened.
You
know
a
whole
bunch
of
different
pandora's
box
here,
but
we
can
lump
into
that
program
again.
We
assert
that
we
are
already
willing
to
move
forward.
I
heard
the
attorneys
say
you
know
we
can
submit
our
drawings.
We
have
submitted.
AB
AB
Heard
people
standing
in
the
way
of
our
developments
before
because
of
similar
reasons
that
I
believe
I'm
hearing
from
the
community
today
we
overcame
those
it
was
arduous,
and
I
do
not
wish
to
repeat
that.
But
you
know
we
have
other
avenues
to
move
forward.
R
AB
Deal
has
been
funded
by,
as
we
mentioned,
florida
housing
orange
county,
the
orange
county
housing
finance
authorities
commit
to
this.
This
project
is
very,
very
important
to
many
folks
around
orange
county,
not
to
mention
the
195
families
and
folks
that
would
live
there
from
this
immediate
area,
so
to
ask
us
to
forego
all
that
and
to
switch
to
a
microwave
product
simply
because
what
I'm
hearing
is
that
I'm
not
charging
enough
rent,
I
don't
believe,
is-
is
a
good
solution
path.
AD
Nesta's
questions
about
what
what
we
knew
and
welcome
to
your
first
meeting.
Z
AD
So
the
and-
and
there
are
people
at
this
diocese
that
know
way
more
than
I
do,
but
the
city
owned
this
particular
piece
of
property.
There
was
the
the
previous
d.a
for
the
city
center
and
then
on
july,
15
2020.
AD
There
was
the
updated
d.a
that
we're
talking
about
today
in
november
of
the
same
year,
is
when
we
asked
staff
to
sign
our
florida,
housing,
finance,
corp,
local
government
verification
letter.
So
all
the
way
back
in
november,
2020
and
and
and
their
knowledge
is
not
imputed
to
the
entire
city,
but
the
planning
staff
knew
that
we
were
seeking
tax
credits
back
in
november
of
2020..
AD
AD
AD
R
AD
Got
a
different
view,
so
so,
as
on
october,
6
2021,
everyone
at
the
city
at
that
point
knew
that
the
intent
was
for
us
to
purchase
from
taurus
and
to
build
this
type
of
housing
and
the
city
went
through
with
it
sailed
to
taurus
on
november
1st
and
after
they
sold
to
taurus.
We
closed
the
next
day.
AD
So
I'm
I'm
just
saying
from
where,
where
we
stand,
we
feel
as
though
we
were
transparent
about
what
we
intended
to
do,
and
I
wanted
to
share
with
you
how
how
that
line,
lined
up
from
a
timing,
standpoint
and
and
as
ryan
said,
I
mean
we
have
at
risk,
not
only
the
the
10.6
million
dollars
that's
been
awarded
to
us.
That
is
not
a
single
penny
that
comes
out
of
the
city
of
apopka.
AD
For
for
us
to
use
to
to
finance
this,
and-
and
we
feel
as
though
we
did
rely
on
the
execution
of
that
verification
on
the
cell
to
taurus
understanding
what
our
intent
was
for
for
building
from
the
city
and-
and
we
want
to
clean
this
up
and
and
if
that's
either,
you
know
have
you
all
acknowledged
that
you
don't
believe
it
subsidize
and
move
forward
as
is
or
or
change
that
language
in
in
the
d.a?
AD
And
then
one
of
the
reasons
we
don't
run
up
against
this
a
lot
is
I'm
going
to
tell
you
and
I've
done.
I've
practiced
law
at
lounge,
doing
land
development
for
20
years,
and
I've
never
seen
a
city
put
in
writing
that
they
were
requiring
market
rate
rent,
because
that's
generally
opposed
to
the
state
and
federal
constitution
to
tell
someone
how
much
rent
they
have
to
charge
for
their
piece
of
property.
Right.
If
I
own
a
home-
and
I
want
to
rent
it-
I
can
rent
it
for
market
rate.
AD
I
can
rent
it
from
less
than
market
rate,
so
there
are
a
lot
of
prohibitions
against
that.
I
wasn't
here.
I
never
spoke
to
your
city
attorney
who,
who
gave
this
group
the
advice
that
it
was
okay
to
put
that
in
a
d.a.
So
I
don't
know
what
their
reasoning
is.
But
the
answer
is,
this
is
pretty
uncommon,
for
us
to
run
up
against.
That
was,
might
have
been
cliff,
shepard
right.
A
Thank
you.
Thank
you
all
right.
Well,
we
will
close
the
public
hearing
and-
and
I
got
a
couple
of
things
I
want
to
bring
up
and
we
need
to
go
back
in
history
and
I
think
everybody's
been
here
long
enough
to
so
we
go
back
to
I
guess
we
started
assimilating
this
property
in
05
and
06,
which
I
can
tell
you.
I
would
never
have
if
I
were
here
and
sitting
in
the
seat.
A
We'd
never
purchase
property
to
do
a
development,
so
we
spent
four
million
dollars
acquiring
all
the
property
there
at
the
town
center,
so
four
million
dollars
and
then
almost
20
years
later
we're
going
to
sell
it.
The
20
million
now
turns
into
4
million,
so
we've
lost
16
million
along
the
way,
but
the
thought
was
is
that
this
was
going
to
be
our
town
center.
This
is
going
to
be
the
the
marquis
the
place
that
you
want
to
go
for
the
city
of
apopka.
A
A
So
you
fast
forward.
I
still
wasn't
here
when
when
we
you
know,
we
had
the
developers
agreement
with
with
taurus
and
to
purchase
the
property
for
the
four
million
dollars
and
we
started
to
look
okay.
What
what
can
we
do,
and
so
it's
kind
of
sat?
You
know
idle
hadn't
done
a
lot
and
we've
you
know,
got
the
hotel
finally
built
right
in
the
middle
of
cobit
and
were
able
to
you
know
they're
very
successful,
so
the
hilton
guardian
is
doing
extremely
well.
C
A
I
mean
it
was
it
was.
They
were
relentless
on
me
about
it,
and
I
said
you
know
there's
if
it's
zoned
for
that,
if
it's
zoned
for
apartments
it's
owned
for
for
multi-family,
they
have
every
right
to
do
that.
Every
right
to
do
that
so
anyway,
the
developers
agreement
is
what
it
is
and
before
I
got
here,
which
included
luxury
apartments,
it
included
non-subsidized,
190
295,
I'm
not
you
know
and
with
the
with
all
the
amenities,
including
the
the
balcony.
A
So
you
go
and
say:
okay,
now
we
had
the
group
come
in
and
look
at
the
at
the
property
so
southwick
and
and
comes
in
and
said:
okay,
we're
gonna
we're
gonna
get
put
an
option
on.
I
don't
remember
what
what
date
the
option
was
put
on
the
property,
but
it
seems
to
me
that
if
you've
got
an
optional
property,
you'd
want
to
go
to
the
city
and
say
hey
jim
hitt
or
or
michael
rodriguez.
Here's
what
we're
planning
on
doing
before
you
exercise
the
option.
We
never
we
never
gave
agreements.
A
We
never
told
anybody,
okay,
we're
all
in
we're
all
in
we're
good
with
that.
So
so
here
we
are,
we
close
on
the
property
when
you
knew
there
were
there
were
issues
we
knew
they
were.
I
mean,
may
or
may
not
get
through
a
change
in
the
developers.
Agreement
may
or
may
not.
You
know
the
the
the
term
subsidized
may
or
may
not
be
a
part
of
this
project,
but
so
here
we
are
now
we've
sold
if
you
purchased
the
property.
A
Taurus
is
now
I
you
know,
and
I
guess
there's
even
some-
some
thought
weather
taurus
that
they've
now
violated
their
agreement,
and
so
we
get
to
the
point
where
I
mean
you
just
see
this
this
ending
badly
at
some
point
where
we
we
all
end
up
in
court.
But
but
all
that
to
be
said
is
you
know?
I
don't
think
anybody
on
this.
This
diocese
is
against
the
product.
A
The
product
is
beautiful,
I
mean-
and
I
I'll
tell
you
that
that
when
I
was
on
the
county
commission
for
those
three
short
years,
I
approved
a
the
the
wellington
park,
which
is
less
than
a
mile
away
from
my
house.
So
got
no
problem
with
with
affordable
workforce,
whatever
you
want
to
call
it
housing.
A
So
it's
not,
and
I
don't
think
anybody
up
here
would
say
anything
different,
but
what
the
people
expected
when
in
2006,
when
we
spent
20
million
dollars
and
what
they've
expected
four
years
ago
and
what
they
expect
today,
is
that
this
is
our
crown
jewel
and
will
those
will
are
affordable.
Housing
are
the
people
that
that
meet
those
thresholds?
A
Go
to
you
know
the
the
food
hall
and
and
buy
a
couple
of
beers,
and
you
know
in
a
taco,
that's
the
question
and
and
we've
had
you
know
the
tourist
group
and
and
and
jeremy
and
and
even
the
starbucks
I
mean
they've
questioned
okay.
What
we're
we're
looking
for
luxury,
we're
looking
for
people
that
can
walk
to
our
downtown
and
get
a
cup
of
coffee
and
they
don't
mind
spending
four
or
five
dollars
or
buy
a
beer
after
work
or
whatever.
So
that's
where
I'm,
I
think
that's
that
was
the
intent.
A
It's
it's
been.
I
think,
crystal
clear.
I
think
all
the
way
along
the
way,
and
it's
the
only
only
property
in
the
city
of
apopka
that
has
this
kind
of
an
agreement,
the
only
one
that
you
could
pick
that
we
could.
We
could
turn
you
down.
I
mean
if
it's
zoned
for
apartments,
you
can
put
affordable
housing
anywhere
in
city
of
apopka.
We
only
have
one
place
in
the
city
of
apopka
that
affordable
housing
is
not
permitted
under
a
d.a
agreement.
I
didn't
I
didn't
set
up
the
da
agreement.
A
A
U
U
I
just
heard
lengthy
we're
not
subsidized
and
we
are
market
rate.
They
can
proceed
forward
and
at
that
point
it's
for
you
as
a
council
to
make
a
determination
whether
they
are
consistent
or
inconsistent
with
a
developer's
development
agreement
and
therefore
trying
to
get
a
use
approved
that,
according
to
the
developers,
agreement
is
not
permitted
option.
Two
is
you
can
because
there's
two
two
provisions
of
the
developers
agreement
at
issue:
one
is
the
permitted
use
which
is
under
ex
the
exhibit
of
the
development
agreement
which
listed
permitted
uses.
U
The
other
is
the
the
standards,
the
development
standards
in
the
development
agreement
on
luxury.
You
can
tweak
that
to
determine
to
seek
what
they're,
seeking
that
you
know
you
can
have
50
of
the
units
have
balconies
or
a
certain
percentage
and
those
types
of
development
and
design
standards.
Those
can
be
amended
or
you
cannot
do
that.
You
can
only
amend
the
permitted
uses.
It's
since
there's
two
items
up
for
amendment
you
can
do,
but
you
can
do
one
or
the
other.
U
The
third
option
is
to
grant
the
request
for
the
amendment
to
the
app
to
the
development
agreement
strike
the
language
in
the
permitted
uses
that
limit
residential
multi-family
residential
to
non-subsidized
and
market
rate,
as
well
as
amend
the
design
standards
that
are
listed
in
the
developers
agreement.
So
it's
a
it's
a
no
it's
a!
I
guess.
Maybe
the
easiest
way.
It's
a
no!
It's
a
yes!
No
or
it's
a
it's
a
no!
No!
Yes!
No!
Yes!
Yes,.
M
Again,
the
point
that
you
made
several
years
ago
with
taurus,
I
remember
sitting
down
across
the
table
in
the
same
issue
and
discussion
with
me
less
than
half
a
mile
away
from
there,
and
he
said
you
know-
and
I
was
fighting
to
bring
in
some
workforce
housing
because
we
had
someone
at
that
time.
That
was
going
towards
that
and
they
basically
tried
to
somewhat
intimidate
that
well
we're
trying
to
develop
this
and
you're
doing
that
there
I
said.
M
M
That's
you
know,
and
as
early
as
this
morning,
the
developers
that
said,
that's
why
we
came
here
because
we
read
this
this
development
agreement,
and
this
was
what
was
stated,
and
this
is
part
of
what
we
depend
on
and
we
don't
want
to
see
this
change.
The
people
that
live
there
don't
want
to
see
it
changed.
It
affects
their
investment
as
well
and
their
lifestyle,
and
you
know,
as
I
would
respect
anyone
in
any
part
of
this
city
in
that
same
measure.
We
have
to
do
that
here.
That's
where
I'm
at.
B
So
when
he
said,
commissioners,
when
you
said
10.6,
what
does
that
mean.
B
U
By
stating
it's
quasi-judicial,
it's
really
going
to
affect
what
are
the
options
for
the
applicant
or
any
other
party
to
to
appeal
any
decision
on
the
part
of
the
of
the
council
and
then
what
is
that
standard
of
review
for
examining
the
decision
of
the
council?
U
It's
different
from,
in
this
case,
you're
not
acting
in
a
legislative
fashion,
you're
acting
in
that
quasi-judicial
fashion.
So,
therefore,
your
decisions
have
to
be
based
on
competent,
substantial
evidence.
If
you're
acting
in
a
legislative
function,
your
decision
solely
has
to
be
reasonable
and,
and
somebody
challenging
that
decision
has
to
deem
that
your
decision
is
unreasonable.
In
this
case,
somebody
challenging
this
decision.
U
Whatever
decision
you
elect
to
make,
that
challenger
is
going
to
have
to
to
prove
that
your
decision
is
not
based
on
the
competency
is
not
based
on
the
competent
substantial
evidence
that
you
have
deemed
supports
your
decision.
U
U
No,
we
do
we,
we
think
subsidized
means
x
and
as
if
that
and
and
prevent
present
the
evidence
you
have
to
support
that
decision.
I'm
not
telling
you
this
is.
I
am
advising
you.
U
If,
if
they
on
their
hypothetically
speaking,
if
they
came
in
and
did
not
receive
any
governmental
assistance
and
decided,
we
can
develop
something
and
make
a
profit
by
constructing
an
apartment,
a
luxurious,
what
they
would
term
a
luxurious
apartment
complex
and
we
can
charge
rents
between
200
and
1400
and
make
a
profit.
U
They
would
be
able
to
do
so
and
without
any
governmental
without
any
incentivize
or
incentives
or
assistance.
They
can
come
in
they
under
what
the
expansive
definition
of
huds
of
subsidized
housing.
They
can
argue.
It's
not
subsidized,
but
in
this
case
a
they
are
receiving
funding
from
outside
sources
in
order
to
assist
to
them
to
reduce
the
amount
of
funding
that
they're
providing
themselves
in
order
to
be
able
to
provide
and
present
a
lower
priced
product
to
the
mar
to
the
market
and
under
hud's
expansive
definitions.
That
falls
as
as
a
subsidy.
B
U
U
I
cannot
opine
as
to
what
taurus
did
or
did
not
know
or
wendover
did
or
did
not
know
my.
I
am
here
to
provide
you
counsel
as
to
what
the
defined
terms
under
what
what
would
be
the
terms
to
be
interpreted
under
our
under
our
development
agreement
under
our
code
and
any
of
the
guidelines
I
I
will
not
opine
as
to
I've
been
reading
on
a
lot
on
watergate.
I
I
cannot
open
as
to
who
knew
who
knew
what
and
when
did
they
know
it.
A
And
even
that
I
mean
we're
not
talking
about
a
non-sophisticated
buyer
and
we're
not
talking
about
a
non-sophisticated
seller.
Both
of
them
have
hundreds
of
millions
or
billions
dollars
worth
of
property,
so
both
buyer
and
seller
knew
exactly
what
they
were
doing,
what
they
were
getting
into.
I
mean
I,
don't
I
don't
think
it's
not
like
selling
somebody,
a
piece
of
dirt
say:
hey
you
may
or
may
not
be
able
to
put
a
mobile
home
on
that.
I
mean
this.
A
We're
talking
accredited
investors
with
big
money
that
that
you
know
obviously
knew
you
know
what
what
they
were
they
were
facing.
So
I
I
think
it's
it's
it's
naive
to
think
that
they
didn't
both
parties
didn't
know
what
that
developer's
agreement
looked
like
and-
and
I
think-
and
my
point
is-
is
that
if
I
were
wendover
okay,
you
got
the
option.
A
A
M
And
again,
I
wish
angie
was
still
here
to
bring
it
up
because
I've
gone
through
the
pages
and
pages
that
she
sent
us
that
this
was
referred
to
in
in
the
beginning
process
as
a
subsidy.
So
it
goes
back
to
undermining
the
very
argument.
That's
here,
so
I'm
willing
to
make
a
motion
to
deny
and
keep
it.
According
to
the
developer's
agreement,.
A
Okay,
you
got
a
motion.
Second
got
a
second,
but
I
got
a
motion
by
commissioner
banks
in
second
bike,
mr
nesta,
all
those
in
favor
all
opposed,
nay.
So
we
have
it's
a
3-2
vote.
We
have
commissioner
bankston
mayor
nelson
commissioner
nesta
in
the
affirmative
and
commissioner
velazquez
and
commissioner
smith
in
opposition.
Y
Good
afternoon
I'm.
C
AC
Y
Engineer
I've
just
got
a
few
words
of
introduction
to
change
the
subject
to
stormwater
and,
and
mr
thomas
is
here
to
give
the
bulk
of
the
presentation.
Y
Y
Construction
inspection,
construction
projects
getting
dirt
out
on
the
road
someone
to
enforce
that
public
education,
industrial
high
risk
inspections
and
the
most
important
part
of
all.
That
is
to
document
that
our
compliance
as
we
go
along
so
that,
if,
if
dep
ever
wants
to
see
evidence,
we
have
it
so,
of
course,
also
after
we
know
where
the
stormwater
system
is,
we
need
dedicated
staff
to
increase
the
cleaning,
repair
and
replacement
of
the
stormwater
system.
Y
The
last
thing
that
dep
is
requiring
more
of
here
of
late
is
projects
that
that
include
water
quality
for
our
natural
lakes
springs
and
rivers,
so
on
the
first
exhibit.
I
show
you
here
down
on
the
left-hand
bottom
left-hand
corner:
that's
dream
lake!
So
just
this
past
spring,
the
city
of
apopka
implemented
the
dream
dream
lake
baffle
box
project
and
what
a
baffle
box
does
is.
Y
Historically,
the
water
on
the
north
side
of
dream,
lake
just
flowed
straight
into
the
lake,
all
of
the
leaves
and
the
dirt,
and
whatever
else
was
on
the
road
and
storm
water.
Runoff
flowed
directly
into
the
lake.
So
now
we
have
what's
called
a
nutrient
separating
baffle
box.
So
all
that
water
and
whatever
comes
with
the
water
that
would
have
flown
straight
into
the
lake
now
goes
through
a
baffle
box.
Y
There's
chambers
in
the
baffle
box
to
collect
that
material
and
to
and
we
dispose
of
it-
and
you
know
not
in
the
lake
we
dispose
of
it
at
the
landfill
so
that
captures
the
dirt
leaves
things
of
that
nature.
The
other
thing
that
it
captures
is
there
is
dissolved
nitrogen
and
phosphorus
in
the
storm
water
and
that
would
otherwise
go
directly
into
the
lake,
but
the
baffle
box
also
has
what's
called
bold
and
gold.
Y
It's
an
upflow
filter
system
so
that
the
bold
and
gold
captures
and
binds
the
nitrogen
and
phosphorus
so
that
it
doesn't
get
into
dream
lake,
then
to
just
kind
of
talk
you
through
the
storm
water
system.
So
in
dream
lake,
the
stage
of
dream
lake
comes
up:
it
flows
under
park
avenue
and
through
an
open
swale
at
apopka
middle
school.
It
then
flows
through
a
pipe
system
at
apopka
middle
school
into
a
wetland
and
then
into
lake
mccoy.
Y
When
lake
mccoy
gets
high
enough,
it
flows
over
a
large,
concrete
weir,
just
south
of
sandpiper
road
after
the
water
goes
over
the
weir.
It
flows
under
sandpiper
road
in
to
a
lake
that
is
called
lake.
Corona
lake
corona
is
sometimes
dry,
but
it
is
a
lake
recognized
by
the
state
of
florida.
So
when
lake
caroni
fills
up,
it
actually
flows
through
the
wekiva
woods
subdivision
through
an
open,
ditch
system,
and
then
it
flows
to
to
welch
road
closed
beneath
welch
road
and
into
lake
provent,
and
then
from
lake
pravat.
Y
Y
Also
on
this
slide,
two
other
things
that
we've
done
over
the
last
year
is
that
the
lake
mccoy
oaks
stormwater
pond
that
subdivision
had
had
not
maintained
their
pond
for
whatever
reason,
and
so
the
level
terrace
stormwater
pond.
The
subdivisions
were
supposed
to
be
maintaining
them.
They
hadn't,
so
the
city
had
taken
over
those
ponds
and
we've
done
some
initial
maintenance
and
we're
going
to
continue
to
fund
the
water
quality
treatment.
That's
important
in
those
ponds,
because
those
ponds
also
discharge
ultimately
off
to
the
recaiver
river.
Y
Y
So
this
is
this:
is
a
kit
lan
nelson
park,
you'll,
see
kind
of
on
the
bottom
left-hand
part
of
the
slide
and
there's
two
different
systems
I
want
to
talk
about.
The
one
in
green
is
on
the
lower
part
of
the
slide,
so
what
we've
got
is
we've
got
a
corrugated
metal
pipe
that
runs
from
first
street
kind
of
near
the
splash
pad
underneath
the
west
orange
trail
to
the
frank
carlton
center.
Y
So
we'll
talk
about
fran
carlton
center
in
a
minute
and
why
we
looked
at
that.
But
while
we
were
looking
at
frank
carlton,
we
realized
this
pipe
under
the
west
orange
trail,
it
was
corrugated
metal,
pipe.
The
whole
bottom
of
the
pipe
had
rusted
out
it
was.
It
was
dirt
on
the
bottom,
and
so,
if
the
concrete
west
orange
trail
hadn't
been
on
top
of
it,
it
probably
would
have
seen
some
erosion
on
the
on
the
earth
around
and
potential
damage
to
the
west
orange
trail.
But
we've
caught
that
one
early.
Y
What
we've
done
is
we've
put
a
liner
in
the
pipe
it's
a
fiberglass
liner.
You
can
inject
that
into
the
pipe
and
it
expands
it
where
you
don't
decrease
the
capacity
of
the
pipe
by
very
much
at
all.
But
then
you
get
another
50
or
75
years
of
useful
life
out
of
that
existing
pipe.
So
that
was
a
proactive
project
that
cost
about
ninety
four
thousand
dollars
to
line
that
pipe
from
first
street
to
the
frank
carlton
center
on
the
under
the
west
orange
trail,
and
then
the
area
in
red
that
you'll
see
up
above.
Y
That
was
the
reason
we
went
into
the
area
in
the
first
place
is
that
we
had
the
parking
lot
at
the
frank,
carlton
center
begin
to
collapse,
and
we
knew
that
the
pipe
went
under
the
corner
of
the
building
and
the
building
was
partially
damaged.
I
can
show
you
what
some
of
those
things
looked
like
there.
Y
So,
although
we
fixed
the
pipe
for
eighty
thousand
dollars,
we
ended
up
having
to
then
reactively
fix
the
parking
lot.
The
hole
in
the
parking
lot
that
you
see
in
the
left
picture
that
was
55,
000
and
we're
still
working
on,
quotes
to
repair
the
building.
Y
We're
getting
close
the
trick
is
that
the
building
in
the
middle
picture,
you
can
see
the
two
wooden
two
by
fours,
those
mark
the
where
the
where
the
storm
water
pipe
goes
under
the
building,
and
we
want
to
make
sure
we
don't
put
a
hole
in
the
new
storm
water
line,
the
storm
water
pipe.
So
we're
having
to
be
careful
with
foundation
stabilization
companies,
but
that's
going
to
cost
us
about
20
000.
Y
So
in
this
fran
carlton
example
that
I
showed
in
red
on
the
previous
slide.
You
know
that
reactive
maintenance
cost
about
twice
as
much
as
it
would
have.
If
we
would
have
inspected
the
pipe
and
known
it
was
damaged
and
gotten
ahead
of
it
in
a
proactive
way.
So
with
that
I'll
introduce
henry
thomas
to
go
through
the
rest
of
the
presentation.
AG
AE
AG
And
I
know
you've
had
this
in
advance
and
have
had
a
chance
to
ask
questions.
I
just
want
to
point
out
that
part
of
what
the
funding
increase
is
going
to
fund
is
four
new
employees,
an
ms4
coordinator,
an
inspector
gis
analyst
and
two
maintenance
workers
that
cost
right.
AG
There
is
almost
400
000
annually
and
that's
one
of
the
benefits
in
order
to
maintain
compliance
and
get
on
top
of
the
program
and
move
it
towards
that
proactive
program
that
the
funding
increase
will
provide
just
also,
in
addition,
at
least
preliminary
over
the
next
five
years
about
10.8
million
dollars
worth
of
projects
have
been
identified.
AG
This
is
a
listing
of
them.
We've
separated
them
between
projects
that
we
want
to
fund
annually
from
revenues,
because
they're,
recurring
and
other
one-time
projects
that
we
feel
like
we're
recommending
you
pursue
some
debt
funding
with
srf,
because
you
can
amortize
that
over
20
years,
at
a
very
low
interest
rate
and
it'll
help
mitigate
rate
impacts
and,
as
I
told
a
number
of
you,
this
industry
is
looking
at
the
need
more
and
more
to
use
debt
financing
because
the
cost
of
projects
and
the
importance
of
maintaining
a
regulatory
compliance.
AG
So
the
one
I
wanted.
The
other
issue
I
want
to
point
out
in
the
study.
One
of
the
things
we're
tasked
with
was
to
determine
what
the
definition
of
an
equivalent
drainage
unit
is.
So
when
we
bill
stormwater
services
in
the
city
of
apopka,
there's
a
two-part
rate,
one
is
a
monthly
one,
is
an
annual
base
charge
of
15
and
then
there's
a
charge
per
equivalent
dwelling
unit
and
for
residential
single-family
residential.
That's
ten
dollars.
So
your
current
annual
fee
is
25
for
single
family
residential.
AG
That
equivalent
residential
dwelling
unit
is
then
used
to
satisfy
the
the
requirement
that
we
have
a
a
apportionment,
fair
apportionment
and
uniform
assessment
approach,
so
that
all
commercial
properties
we
measure
their
impervious
area,
which
is
what
the
drainage
unit
is
based
on
impervious
areas.
That
area
that
won't
allow
water
to
percolate
through,
and
so
that
edu
affects
not
only
the
residents
bill
but
the
commercial
bill
as
well.
Well,
when
we
originally
started
this,
your
edu
definition
was
2
634
square
feet.
AG
Now,
when
we're
talking
about
impervious
area,
this
slide
just
shows
we're
talking
about
driveways,
sidewalks,
patios
pool
collars
and
the
footprint
of
the
home
under
roof.
It
doesn't
include
living
space,
because
if
it
was
a
two-story
home
you
would
you
would
remove
the
second
story,
if
you
will
from
the
impervious
calculation
what
we
found.
We
measured
every
commercial
property
in
the
city
to
make
sure
that
they
were
being
built
properly
in
terms
of
what
their
impervious
areas
are.
AG
C
AG
So,
to
come
up
with
a
fee,
we
looked
at
the
fact
that
many
of
your
homes
in
the
in
the
city
in
the
core
that
have
been
here
for
many
years
are
not
the
reason
why
that
number
went
from
26
34
to
3
600.
A
lot
of
his
newer
development
were
bigger
homes,
so
we're
proposing
two
alternatives
for
your
consideration.
We'd,
like
some
guidance
on
this
evening.
One
is
we
can
continue
to
do
what
you've
done
in
the
past
and
do
a
one-size-fits-all
approach.
AG
One
edu
for
each
single
family,
home
or
the
alternative
is
to
have
a
tiered
analysis
where
this
is
just
an
example
of
different
properties
within
the
city
and
what
we're
talking
about
where
we've
got
a
tier
one,
a
tier
two
and
a
tier
three
tier
one
would
be
zero
to
twenty
eight
hundred
square
feet.
So
that's
kind
of
currently
with
the
definition
of
what
an
edu
is
today.
We
would
call
that
.70
to
use
if
we
adopt
the
tiered
rate.
AG
AG
A
AG
AG
AG
AG
To
talk
about
why
we
need
to
raise
stormwater
rates
in
2022.
This
chart
shows
your
operating
expenses
as
budgeted
in
2022
and
those
capital
projects
that
you
were
funding
in
2022,
including
the
dream,
lake
project
and
others,
and
that's
in
the
blue
portion.
And
then
these
are
the
projected
requirements
going
forward
from
23
to
27..
AG
As
we
said,
we're
recommending
some
of
those
projects
be
debt,
funded
and,
and
so
what
this
is
showing
is
the
black
dash
line
is
the
revenues
and
the
bar
chart
represents
the
expenditures.
So
in
2022
you
were
budgeted
to
spend
1.5
million
dollars.
You
only
collected
about
500
000
that
difference
came
out
of
those
reserves
that
richard
mentioned,
had
built
up
over
the
years.
They're
effectively
gone
now
we're
spending
those
reserves.
Today
in
since
we
haven't
raised
the
rates
yet
so
when
we
look
at
our
rate
going
forward.
AG
And
this
is
going
to
look
at
all
the
single
family
options.
Currently
it's
25
a
year
for
that
household
under
and
that's
for
all
household
sizes.
We're
recommending
that
that
and
that's
that
25
is
approximately
two
dollars
and
eight
cents
a
month.
AG
AG
Tier
two
would
be
one
edu,
so
that's
60.
It
would
be
equivalent
to
the
single
family
flat
rate
and
then
the
larger
homes
would
pay
six
dollars
a
month
or
72
dollars
a
year.
The
reason
I
keep
referring
to
monthly
is
a
lot
of
your
peers
in
the
industry
and
in
other
communities
near
us
charge
on
a
monthly
basis
through
utility
bills.
You
do
an
assessment
on
the
annual
property
tax
bill
through
2027
that
charge
for
a
single
edu
would
rise
to
72.
AG
AG
Well,
right
now,
today,
on
a
rate
comparison
on
flat
rates,
apopka
is
to
the
far
left
at
just
over
two
right
at
two
dollars
and
eight
cents
a
month
and
even
with
the
proposed
rate
that
we're
asking
you
to
consider
for
2023.
AG
That
number
would
go
up
to
to
just
over
four
dollars
a
month
or
again,
five
dollars
a
month
or
sixty
dollars
a
year.
You're
still,
the
dashed
line
is
the
average,
and
these
are
fairly
local
communities.
We
didn't
go
pick
the
ones
in
south
east
florida
that
are
paying
a
lot
more
or
our
coastal
committees,
but
in
here
is
mount
mount.
Dora
we've
got
winter
garden
in
here,
maitland
city
of
orlando,
and
you
can
see
where
your
rates
are
compared
to
the
rest.
AG
Now,
if
you
go
with
the
tiered
rate
proposal,
I
would
like
to
point
out
to
you
that
the
bars
in
orange
would
be
the
2023
rates.
So
again
you
see
the
the
the
smaller
home.
It
would
be
just
to
the
right
of
the
current
2.8
charge
and
then
the
tier
2
rate
is
next
to
that
and
then
the
tier
3
rate
jumps
up
now.
AG
If
we
go
to
the
2027
numbers,
that's
the
numbers
in
yellow
and
the
point
of
this
chart
I
wanted
to
demonstrate,
for
you
is
even
by
2027,
the
largest
homes
would
still
be
paid
less
than
the
nine
dollar
amount,
which
is
the
average
of
the
communities
in
this
survey.
So
I
think
the
fact
that
you
have
very
low
rates.
You
know
we
we
can.
We
can
raise
those
rates
and
still
provide
a
service
in
a
price,
that's
very
competitive
with
surrounding
communities.
AG
So
if
we
do
that,
you
can
see
here,
the
blue
dash
line
now
is
the
new
revenue
source
and
it
meets
the
revenue
requirements
and
in
2024
in
particular
before
the
debts
come
on
with
those
projects,
it
allows
us
to
build
our
reserves
back
up
a
little
bit.
You
can
see
that
the
blue
dash
line
exceeds
the
cost
in
that
one
year.
So.
AG
Right
now,
based
on
the
budget,
what
your
balances
would
look
like:
you're,
essentially
running
out
of
reserve
balance.
So
what
you
did
in
2022
is
not
sustainable,
and
so
finally,
conclusions
and
rec
findings
and
recommendations
is
you
need
to
increase
inspection
and
maintenance
levels
of
service
to
comply
with
state
feder
federal
regulatory
requirements.
AG
AG
However,
tonight
what
we're
going
to
ask
for
your
permission
is
to
put
the
2023
rate
on
the
property
tax
roll
on
the
on
the
trend
notice,
and
then
we
can.
AG
Over
the
next
five
years,
so
our
request
is
we'd
like
to
get
direction
from
council,
on
which
rate
structure
you
prefer
the
flat
rate
or
the
tiered
rate,
because
when
we
do
the
trim
notice,
we
have
to
identify
each
property
owner
of
what
they
were
paying,
what
they
would
pay
on
a
property
property
basis.
The
trim
notice
will
let
us
do
that
cost
effectively,
but
the
trim
notice
is
due
to
the
appraiser
by
july
one.
So
we
need
to
start
moving
forward
you're,
not
adopting
the
rates.
AG
At
this
point,
we're
asking
you
to
give
us
guidance
and
allow
us
to
move
forward
and
put
it
on
the
trim
notice
so
that
we
can
get
it
billed
in
next
year's
property
tax
records.
The
the
final
role
is
due
september
15.
So
you'll
have
time
through
the
process
to
have
a
public
hearing
to
further
assess
these
rates.
So
again,
we're
looking
for
permission
to
put
these
proposed
rates
on
the
roll
for
the
for
the
trim
notice.
AG
We
would
prepare
a
new
assessment
role
once
we
get
your
direction
there,
that
we
can
provide
by
july,
one
for
trim
and
then
we
have
between.
Then
and
fifth
september
15th
to
approve
it
plus
to
finalize
the
roll,
because
there's
always
some
some
minor
changes
that
go
on
from
the
trim
notice
to
the
final
notice.
So
that's
what
we're
here
for
tonight
and
I
hope
I
did
it
all
right.
Good.
R
Yeah,
the
you
know,
I
we've
already
met
and
spoke
a
couple
questions
that
I
had
and
that
you
guys
had
answered,
and
one
that
was
really
concerning
to
me
was
that
the
question
was:
are
we
not
conducting
inspections
and
maintenance
currently
as
required?
And
that's
really
concerning
to
me-
is
that
we're
not
even
keeping
the
minimum
well
and
that's
that's
a
problem.
Let.
A
Me
just
let
me
just
say
this
that
richard
did
a
a
masterful
job
to
keep
dep
from
from
putting
us
into
a
consent
order
which
that's
that's
when
they
really
slapped
you
on
the
wrist.
We
we
we
committed
to
to
do
the
inspections.
A
We've
got
that
will
be
coming
up
yeah
really
soon,
and
with
that
that
gives
us
the
you
know,
orange
county
is
waiting
on
us,
we're
the
only
city
left
that
hasn't
done
a
you
know,
they're
gotten
the
inspections
or
have
been
completed,
the
10-year
inspection
cycle,
so
yeah
it
it's.
It's
very
timely,
yeah.
R
More
money
to
be
reactive,
so,
let's
make
sure
we're
staying
ahead
of
that
moving
forward,
but
otherwise,
I
guess
personally
for
me-
I
you
know.
I
like
the
tiered
approach.
I
think
it
kind
of
makes
sense
how
that
is
balanced
between
different
homes.
You
know
homes
that
are
in
kind
of
that
downtown
corridor
that
are
smaller,
that
have
been
here
for
56
years,
shouldn't
be
paying
the
same
amount
that
some
other
homes
are
the
newer
ones
that
take
up
a
little
bit
more
space.
So
my
thought.
AG
G
A
F
I
I
to
agree
that
the
tier
rate
looks
to
be
the
best
that
way,
everybody's
paying
their
fair
share
and
not
putting
the
burden
on
those
that
have
the
smaller
homes.
And
so
it's
my
assumption
that
this
rate
that
I
see
that's
listed
for
2023
would
be
the
rate
that
we
are
going
to
give
you
the
authorization
to
advertise
correct.
Yes,
sir,
all
right.
M
Of
course,
with
our
meeting
the
same
there,
it's
only
fair
that
people
who
have
a
smaller
home
shouldn't
pay
what
people
have
a
larger
home.
So
the
tiered
approach
is
the
best
and
right
now
we
can't
make
it
exact.
We
don't
know
the
exact,
that's
that's
too
much,
maybe
in
the
future,
as
we
were
discussing,
there
may
be
some
weight
that
to
know
exactly
what
square
footage
of
each
home
is.
So
the
tiered
approach
is
the
best
way,
and
you
know.
T
AG
M
And
just
to
add
on
we're,
looking
at
the
incremental
approach
by
year,
the
first
year
for
the
the
lower
tier
is
basically
2.32
cents
a
month
more
that
it
will
cost
people
if
we
went
all
the
way
to
what
you
want
to
charge
in
2027.
It's
only
an
87
cent
difference
for
that
home.
M
So
when
we
get
to
that
point
of
of
what
we
need
to
do,
as
as
commissioner
nesta
said,
we've
got
to
make
sure
we're
not
behind
that
curve,
and
so
this
is
one
of
those
things
we
need
to
get
ahead
of
this
aggressively,
but
not
too
much
that
it's
going
to
be
onerous.
But
I
I
don't
think
it
is
when
we
really
break
down
those
numbers.
B
B
First,
I
want
to
say
thank
you
because
I
didn't
understand
what
edu
was
and
you
had
spent
a
large
amount
of
time
with
me
and
when
we
got
finished,
I
also
agreed
that
the
three-tier
will
work
for
us
to
start
and
again
kind
of
just
what
everyone
said
was
we
don't
want
to
impose
a
one
tier
rate
on
the
smaller
homes
or
a
medium
home.
So
I
like
the
way
you
have
them
in
category,
because
each
category
will
pay
what's
fair
in
their
category.
So.
AG
The
problems
we're
trying
to
deal
with
on
on
drainage,
the
this
rate
concept
is
fairly
new,
but
it
is
being
implemented
around
the
state
and
almost
all
the
studies
I
do.
This
is
an
option.
People
want
to
look
at
so
I
think
it's
going
to
be
the
wave
of
the
future,
because,
when
the
dollars
get
more
significant,
one
size
fits
all
doesn't
seem
to.
A
Yeah,
I
just
you
know
I
just
want
to
kind
of
just
give
you
some
some
some
highlights.
I
think
if
you
know
when
we
move
forward
with
this
project,
when
we
get
you
know
whatever
the
rate
we
settle
on,
we'll
come
back
and
then
we'll
obviously
we'll
have
money
that
we
need
to
have
for
the
operating
costs,
which
are
the
four
employees
and
for
for
things
that
got
to
be
fixed.
You
know
the
pro
the
reactive
things,
but
then
we'll
know
how
much
we
have
to
be
able
to
bond.
A
I
know
the
rate
we
did
on
the
the
wastewater
treatment
plant
was
like
0.9,
so
interest
is
really
good,
but
one
of
the
other
things
that
you
need
to
realize
is
that
the
the
state
passed
a
bill.
Last
was
last
year
in
2020,
where
you
now
are
or
we
have
to.
We
have
to
have
a
analysis
of
all
of
our
our
infrastructure
and
then
what's
the
the
the
timetable
to
start
fixing
those
pipes
that
are
40
years
older,
I
mean
it's,
it's
a
pretty
pretty
high
hurdle.
A
We're
gonna
have
to
meet
relatively
soon
so
better.
You
know
to
start
now
and
and
try
to
fix
it
before
it
becomes
even
a
bigger
problem.
O
AG
So,
and-
and
the
other
thing
I'll
tell
you-
is
that
some
of
my
communities
have
elected
to
set
maintenance
standards
that
are
higher
than
the
minimums
inspection
standards,
because
that's
what
they
want
for
their
community.
They
want
the
ditches
cleaner.
More
often
things
like
that.
So
as
this
evolves
and
you
mature
and
get
more
focused
on
stormwater,
you
can
have
those
discussions
in
the
future
about
how
often
you
should
be
maintaining
ponds,
and
things
like
that
right
now.
We're
really
only
targeting
minimum
compliance.
AG
A
All
right,
anybody
from
the
public
wish
to
speak
on
this
matter.
All
right,
if
not
we'll
close,
the
public
hearing,
look
for
a
motion
to
authorize
the
staff
to
move
forward
with
the
adoption
of
proposed
stormwater
assessment
rates
got
a
motion
by
commissioner
velasquez.
Second,
second
by
commissioner
nesta,
all
those
in
favor
all
right,
all
opposed
motion
carries
anonymously.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
Henry
appreciate
you,
okay,
ordinance,
number
2867.
V
Ordinance
number
2867
an
ordinance
of
the
city
of
apopka
florida
amending
ordinance
number
2780,
which
is
known
as
the
rubric
planned
development
pd
generally
located
west
of
north
orange
blossom
trail,
north
of
hogshead,
road
and
west
of
orlando
apopka
airport,
comprising
424
acres,
more
or
less,
providing
for
directions
to
community
development,
director
severability
conflicts
and
an
effective
date.
Any.
D
A
C
A
B
M
M
V
Ordinance
number
2919
an
ordinance
of
the
city
of
apopka
florida
to
extend
its
territorial
and
municipal
limits
to
nx.
Pursuant
to
florida
statute.
171.044
the
here
and
after
described,
land
situated
and
being
in
orange
county
florida
owned
by
david
l,
bachel
located
west
of
plymouth,
sorrento
road
south
of
haas,
road
and
east
of
south
state
road
429,
providing
for
directions
to
the
city,
clerk,
severability
conflicts
and
an
effective
date.
A
AA
V
Ordinance
number
2920
an
ordinance
of
the
city
of
apopka
florida
to
extend
its
territorial
and
municipal
limits
to
annex
pursuant
to
florida
statute.
171.05,
the
hearing
after
described,
lands
situated
and
being
in
orange
county
florida
owned
by
david
bachel,
located
west
of
plymouth,
sorrento
road,
south
of
hoss,
road
and
east
of
state
or
state
road
429,
providing
for
directions
to
the
city,
clerk,
severability
conflicts
and
an
effective
date.
A
X
Gene
sanchez
with
the
community
development
department:
this
is
a
request
to
accept
the
first
reading
of
ordinance
number
2906
vision,
car
wash
small
scale,
future
land
use.
Amendment
property
is
approximately
0.23
acres
to
2-3
acres
in
size,
located
north
of
orange
blossom
trail,
south
of
old
dixie,
highway
and
west
of
hawthorne
avenue
a
request
to
sign
a
future
land
use.
Designation
of
commercial
is
compatible
with
the
designation
assigned
to
budding
properties.
X
X
The
development
review
committee
recommends
approval
and
the
planning
commission
recommended
approval
on
its
meeting
at
its
meeting
on
april
12
2022.
The
recommended
motion
is
to
accept
the
first
reading
of
ordinance
number
2906
and
hold
it
over
for
second
reading
and
adoption
on
may
18,
2022
or
soon
thereafter.
Staff
and
applicant
are
available
for
questions.
M
A
X
A
Any
other
questions
for
gene
anybody
from
public.
We
should
speak
on
this
matter,
not
we'll
close.
The
public
hearing
look
for
a
motion
to
approve
ordinance
number
2906
at
first
reading
and
hold
over
for
a
second
reading
and
adoption.
So
moved
got
a
motion
by
commissioner
nesta
seconded
by
commissioner
smith.
All
those
in
favor
aye.
D
X
Drc
and
planning
commission
recommend
approval
of
the
change
of
zoning,
and
that
and
and
this
was
anonymously
recommended
for
approval
at
its
meeting
on
april
12
2022..
X
The
recommended
motion
is
to
accept
the
first
reading
of
ordinance
number
2907
and
hold
it
over
for
second
reading
adoption
on
may
18
or
soon
thereafter.
You
may
have
a
little
bit
of
discrepancy
on
your
staff
report
saying
that
it's
a
future
land
use,
but
this
particular
request
is
for
the
rezoning
and
the
the
ordinance
number
is
2907.
X
A
C
V
Ordinance
number
2908
an
ordinance
of
the
city
of
apopka
florida
to
extend
its
territorial
and
municipal
limits
to
annex
pursuant
to
florida
statute.
171.044
the
here
and
after
described,
lands
situated
and
being
in
orange
county
florida
owned
by
kelly
park.
Road
property,
llc
located
south
of
cali
park,
road
and
west
of
chandler
road,
providing
directions
to
the
city,
clerk,
severability
conflicts
and
an
effective
date.
X
A
M
M
X
X
The
properties
have
a
future
a
future
land
use
designation
of
mixed
use,
which
allows
a
maximum
density
of
10
dwelling
units
per
acre.
The
request
to
approve
the
change
of
zoning
from
transitional
to
kpi
mu
with
transition
overlay
is
consistent
with
the
kpi
form-based
code,
as
well
as
our
comprehensive
plan.
X
Each
residential
unit
will
have
a
minimum
lot
width
of
21
feet,
a
minimum
living
area
of
1250
square
feet
and
up
to
two
stories
there
are
no
minimum
or
maximum
living
area
and
lot
size
requirements
in
the
kpi
area.
Proposed
access
points
are
located
along
golden
gem,
road
and
sadler
road,
including
right
and
left
turn
lanes.
The
applicant
also
proposes
a
total
of
acres
of
open
space
area,
while
3.04
is
required.
X
R
No
just
one
comment:
real
quick
on
our
intro
packet
or
our
packet
overall
page
355
just
want
to
bring
all
of
our
attention
to
it.
Very
specifically,
it's
it.
It
references,
orange
county,
public
school
capacity.
R
Just
want
us
all
to
note
that,
as
we
kind
of
go
through
these
plans
of
the
determination
on
those
that,
at
elementary
middle
and
high
school,
fail
fail
fail.
But
I.
R
B
F
My
comment
is
where
the
dead
end
is.
I
guess
it's
to
the
west
of
the
project.
Is
there
intentions
that
that's
going
to
be
a
continuation
that
that
street
is
eventually
going
to
tie
into
the
property
objection
to
it
or
not?.
F
Well,
summers
on
the
west.
X
South,
okay,
south,
that's
actually
a
planned
connection
to
southern
future.
Southern
development,
which
is
what
is
planned
for
the
kpi
forum
based
code
area.
If.
AC
P
C
P
P
D
C
C
D
A
D
A
D
AH
Yeah,
we
don't
we
don't
jeff
summit
summit
engineering
for
the
for
the
record.
You
know
we
don't
own.
The
property
to
the
south
of
us,
as
staff
has
alluded
to.
The
form
based
code,
requires
those
interconnections
to
properties
adjacent
to
proposed
developments.
So
that's
the
reason
you
see
it.
I
I
did
actually
get
a
call
from
someone
who
was
looking
at
the
properties
to
the
south,
but
I
don't
know
what
they're
doing
with
them
at
this
time.
D
M
A
AI
V
V
ordinance
number
2916,
an
ordinance
of
the
city
of
apopka
florida
amending
the
future
land
use
element
of
the
apopka
comprehensive
plan
of
the
city
of
apopka,
designating
the
future
land
use
designation
to
commercial
maximum
0.025
floor
area
ratio
for
a
certain
real
property
generally
located
on
the
southeast
corner
of
plymouth.
Cerato
road
and
leicester,
road
owned
by
vision,
car
wash
2
llc,
comprising
2.005
acres,
more
or
less
providing
for
severability
and
for
an
effective
date.
X
I'm
sorry
I
have
to
correct
that
the
caption
the
owner
for
this
property
is
actually
lester,
wrote,
land
trust,
yeah.
Y
X
C
X
X
R
AJ
Good
afternoon,
mayor
and
commissioners,
my
name
is
jonathan
huels,
with
lowe's
law,
firm
215,
north
yolo
drive
orlando
32801.
We
did
have
conduct
community
meeting
in
february
early
february
and
we
had
four
attendees,
two
of
which
were
actually
adjacent
landowners
immediately
adjacent
to
the
property,
and
it
was
a
collaborative
meeting.
AJ
AJ
C
A
Any
other
questions
for
the
applicant
anybody
from
the
public.
We
should
speak
on
this
matter,
not
we'll
close.
The
public
hearing
look
for
a
motion
to
approve
ordinance
number
2916
at
first
reading
and
hold
over
for
a
second
reading
and
adoption,
so
moved
got
a
motion
by
commissioner
bankston
exactly
second
by
commissioner
smith.
All
those
in
favor.
V
U
A
D
A
Okay,
so
we'll
go
on
to
ordinance
number
29
25.
V
Article
5,
section
5.3
tree
protection
standards,
section
5.3.8,
retention
of
specimen
trees
by
creating
replacement,
trees,
species
list
and
tree
planting
strip
widths
by
amending
part
3.
Article
5
section
5.10,
5.10
signs
subsection,
5.10.8
standards
for
specific
types
sign
types
by
amending
primary
and
secondary
wall
size
sign
sizing
by
amending
part
three
appendix
eight,
appendix
a
mixed-use
kelly
park,
interchange,
mu,
kpi
form,
base
code,
chapter
h,
density
intensity
and
open
space
standards,
table
4
density
intensity
and
open
space
by
revising
density
intensity
and
open
space
standards
by
amending
part
3
appendix
a
chapter
p.
A
D
Not
quite
as
long
as
the
last
glitch
amendment,
this
is
the
jim
hit
community
development
director.
D
This
is
the
fifth
amendment
to
the
land
development
code
that
was
originally
adopted
in
on
march
6,
2019
and,
as
with
the
other
glitch
amendments,
this
is
designed
to
amend
and
clarify
some
of
the
different
codes
that
we
have
and
add
new
things
that
we
that
we
discover
that
we
need
as
part
of
part
of
the
ongoing
process.
Obviously,
all
land
development
codes
do
need
to
be
go
through
this
every
once
in
a
while
and
over
the
last
couple
years.
D
It's
this
is
a
kind
of
a
norm,
but
for
the
first
one
one
of
the
things
that
had
occurred
just
on
the
north
east
portion
of
downtown
there's,
there's
a
couple:
mobile
home
districts
and
those
mobile
home
districts
already
have
a
couple
single
family
homes
in
them.
One
has
some
50-foot
lots,
the
other
one
has
75-foot
lots
or
70-foot
lots
and
we've
got.
We've
had
actually
a
lot
of
requests
to
build
a
build
single-family
homes,
but
because
the
new
mobile
home
district,
actually
the
old
mobile
district,
also
did
not
allow
single-family
homes.
D
We
thought
it'd
be
prudent
to
allow
for
single-family
homes
in
that
mobile
home
district,
with
with,
under
the
guidance
that
that
we,
that
we
have
for
the
land
development
code
for
single
family
homes,
so
we're
recommending-
and
it
actually
specifies
those
four
different
block
areas
and
the
size
of
the
lots
that
that
can
be
done
in
those
areas.
So
that
gives
a
little
bit
more
diversity
for
our
our
downtown.
D
And
mohawk
could
still
go
there,
correct
yeah.
There
was
actually
one
that
there
was
a
mobile
home
on
the
corner,
just
north
of
bj's
towing,
and
they
tore
that
down
a
few
years
ago,
and
you
know
nobody
said
anything,
but
they
built
a
house
and
there
was
another
person
on
the
north
or
on
the
east
side,
two
blocks
up
that
wanted
to
basically
do
the
same
thing
and
that's
when
it
was
looked
at
and
wait
a
second.
We
can't
allow
that
yet
so.
C
D
Trying
to
make
our
code
a
little
bit
more
diversified
for
that
principal
use.
Use
changes,
that's
just
looking
at
the
different
uses
that
are
allowed
throughout
the
city.
What's
good,
what's
bad,
we're
adding
arboretums
to
basically
every
district,
except
for
industrial,
that's
kind
of
why
not
development
standards!
This
is
the
landscape
buffer.
D
This
is
a
portion
that
was
lacking
in
our
previous
code
and
we
didn't
get
a
lot
of
specification
until
fortunately,
gene
she's
got
some
connections
with
uf
and
also
with
with
some
of
the
arborists,
so
we
actually
have
different
trees
that
are
we're
recommending
for
different
size
with
buffers
and
landscape
islands.
Things
like
that.
In
other
words,
it's
not
just
oak
trees
or
not
just
east
palette,
or
not
just
one
we're
giving
them
a
choice
to
go
through
with
that.
Well,.
A
D
Exactly
mix
exactly
and
in
connection
with
that,
the
last
item,
I'm
I'm
going
to
jump
ahead
just
because
it's
it's
green
stuff
is
one
of
the
things
that
was
pointed
out
to
me
by
dr
olmsted,
who
was
one
of
our
people.
That
was
that
we
had
consulted
with
regarding
grasses.
What
type
of
grass
we
never
had
anything
that
actually
prohibited
the
use
of
artificial
turf
in
residential
areas.
In
other
words,
somebody
could
put
in
an
artificial
turf
in
the
front
yard
backyard,
and
you
know
all
of
a
sudden.
D
We
don't
really
have
real
grass
that
actually
helps
with
the
getting
getting
rid
of
co2
and
bringing
oxygen
into
our
system.
So
one
of
the
questions
that
I
had
from
from
mr
nesta
is
that
the
if
you
did
want
to
put
a
putting
green
in
your
backyard,
you
can
still
do
that,
but
the
idea
is
to
not
put
an
entire
lawn
of
of
grass
of
fake
grass
in
there.
D
A
D
D
Go
over
there,
so
so
that's
one
of
those
things,
those
those
items,
the
other
portion
and
under
the
development
standards-
is
that
just
to
clarify
that
how
you
approach
the
square
footage
for
a
sign,
we
basically
go
by
height
times
width
times.
15
gives
you
the
overall
square
footage
for
for
a
front
sign
on
a
building,
and
it
just
makes
it
very
simple:
we
originally
had
height
and
width,
but
we
didn't
have
the
percentage.
D
So
we
we
added
that
in
there
and
we
do
calculate
it
by
the
ceiling
or
roof
height,
not
the
interior
ceiling
height,
because
those
are
dropped
ceilings.
So
you
try
to
get
a
little
bit
more
square
footage,
but
we
do
limit
it
to
200
square
feet
unless
it's
high-rise
building,
which
is
already
also
in
the
code
for
density
intensity.
In
the
kelly
park,
interchange,
form-based
code
area,
we
did
clarify
the
density
intensity
for
open
space
standards.
D
There
were
some
minimums
and
maxims
that
were
not
really.
We
don't
really
care
what
the
minimum
is,
but
we
did
have
a
maximum
street
standards.
There
was
a
drawing
in
there
that
did
not
coincide
with
the
descriptions.
So
we
clarified
the
drawing.
This
is
in
conjunction
with
the
fire
department.
D
They
wanted
a
certain
size
alley
to
be
able
to
get
their
trucks
down.
Obviously,
it's
a
safety
type
thing,
so
we
we
actually
maxed
or
or
matched
the
18
foot
to
what
is
actually
required
in
our
code
for
a
one-way
traffic
aisle.
So
you
get
14
foot
of
paved
area,
two
foot
on
each
side
for
the
curb
gutter,
miami
curb
or
f
f-type
curb,
which
is
a
six
inch
curb
on
the
outside.
So
that
way
he's
got
enough
space
to
be
able
to
drive
his
trucks
down.
D
Yes,
sir,
and
fire
department
was
pretty
happy
about
that,
because
now
we're
consistent
throughout
the
code
for
one-way
traffic
areas,
and
then
we
also
match
the
drawing
for
it
for
the
description.
There
was
another
part
in
there
that
talked
about
parallel
parking
spaces
at
eight
feet,
but
the
drop
the
chart
showed
seven
feet.
I
don't
know
anybody.
That's
got
a
a
big
suv
that
can
fit
in
a
seven
foot
spot
on
a
parallel
parking
on
the
side
of
the
road.
D
So
we
match
that
at
eight
foot
also,
which
is
also
in
our
code
at
another
location,
so
we're
we're
catching
these
little
things.
You
know
when
you,
when
you
have
an
850
page
document,
there
are
little
things
that
we
need
to
make
consistent
and
and
also
because
this
was
a
the
mixed-use
caliper
code
was
something
different
than
the
lan
development
code,
and
now
that
it's
actually
codified
in
our
lan
development
code,
it's
a
little
bit.
You
have
to
actually
make
these
changes
instead
of
just
assuming
that
it's
up
to
me
to
interpret
it.
D
You
know
I
I
learned
my
lesson
a
long
time
ago
with
with
the
previous
commissioners.
If
it's
in
the
code,
it's
a
lot
easier
to
enforce
development
bonuses
and
transfers.
This
is
something
that
came
up
came
up
with
the
kelly
park,
one
the
700
unit,
complex
on
the
northwest
section
of
kelly
park,
where
they
actually
got
a
bonus
based
on
the
parks
and
recreation
being
for
public
use.
D
Because
of
that
location,
and
because
of
the
types
of
developments
that
are
going
in
up
in
the
kelly
park,
interchange
the
majority
of
people
in
the
in
the
city
of
apopka.
We
got
57
000
people
in
in
the
city
of
apopka.
They
are
going
to
be
going
up
there
to
use
it
as
a
public
park.
That's
going
to
be
for
that
development.
You
know.
Whoever
that
developer
is
they've,
got
they've
got
two
pools.
D
They've
got
a
you
know,
half
a
dozen
different
different
parks,
and
we
did
not
want
to
be
put
in
that
same
condition
where
we're
giving
bonus
bonus
units
to
something
that
is
not
actually
going
to
be
used
by
the
rest
of
the
city.
D
And
and
then
the
other
part
was
something
that
that
gene
was
able
to
be
able
to
find
was
in,
regards
to
shed
heights.
We
had
a,
we
did
have
a
chart
that
actually
had
shed
heights
of
15
feet,
and
then
there
was
another
description
for
rear
yard
items
that
as
long
as
they
match
the
the
existing
dwelling
it
was.
Okay
shed
was
happened
to
be
in
there,
along
with
garages
garages,
okay
to
meet
the
those
heights.
D
But
if,
if
the
shed
is
15
feet
in
one
spot,
but
it
could
be
interpreted
to
match
the
height
of
the
house
at
30
or
35
feet
in
another
section,
we
wanted
to
clarify
that.
No,
it's
15
feet
in
both
again.
It's
just
these
little
tiny
clarifications
that
we
want
to
make
sure
we
we
clean
up.
C
D
Hopefully
we
won't
get
too
many
more
of
these.
This
is
a
fairly
quick
one
from
the
last
one,
but
it
was
a
year
before
the
last
one.
So
I
try
to
look
at
these
things
and
collect
them
up
over
the
course
of
the
year
and
and
then
that
way
we
can
have
have
these
glitch
amendments.
A
little
shorter,
like.
A
R
D
Well,
that's
like
it
was
under
single-family
architecture.
It
was
section
3.2.1.
D
D
Shall
not
exceed
the
height
of
the
main
structure,
and
so
the
sheds
was
in
there
yeah.
I
just
put
15
foot
shed
heights.
She'll
refer
to
table
10.2.4,
which
is
where,
where
we
had
made
that
change
that
was
actually
changed
from.
I
think
two
glitch
amendments
before.
D
That
that
that
in
an
rv
is
a
totally
different
animal,
it's
not
a
permanent
structure
on
your
site.
They
cannot.
D
C
T
F
D
C
D
A
X
Drc
recommends
approval
and,
at
its
meeting
on
april
12
2022,
the
planning
commission
recommended
approval.
The
proposed
change
of
zoning
from
pd
to
cc
and
the
recommended
motion
is
to
accept
the
first
reading
of
ordinance
number
two,
nine
one,
seven
hold
it
over
for
second
reading
and
adoption
all
right.
M
A
B
A
I
guess
we
need
to.
We
need
a
motion
similar
to
earlier.
I
need
an
emotion
from
the
council
to
the
table
to
table
ordinance
number
2926
probably
do
we
need
to
probably
need
to
read
it.
V
Ordinance
number
29,
an
ordinance
of
the
city
of
apopka
florida
amending
the
future
land
use
element
of
the
apopka
comprehensive
plan
of
the
city
of
apopka.
Changing
the
future
land
use
designation
from
county
rural
to
city,
mixed
use
for
certain
real
property
generally
located
on
the
north
side
of
the
intersection
of
kelly
park.
Road
and
chandler
road
owned
by
robert
t
and
elena
j
hunter,
comprising
9.53
acres,
more
or
less
providing
for
severability
and
for
an
effective
date.
A
Okay,
is
there
anybody
here
to
speak
on
this
one?
Okay,
if
not
I'll,
look
for
a
motion
to
to
postpone
until
date,
certain
june,
some.
M
U
The
ordinance
presented
before
you
is
initiated
and
drafted,
based
on
many
calls
to
our
community
development
department,
seeking
for
some
type
of
guidance
on
whether
folks
can
keep
a
limited
number
of
chickens
in
their
single
family
homes
a
lot
of
a
lot
of
times-
and
this
has
actually
been
something
common
in
many
jurisdictions.
U
Many
jurisdictions
have
adopted
these
ordinances,
the
gist
of
most
of
the
ordinances,
as
well
as
our
ordinance,
which
is
directly
modeled
after
the
orange
county
ordinance.
The
intention
for
that
was
for
folks,
if
they're
moving
from
the
unincorporated
area
to
the
city,
the
regulations
are
identical.
The
only
things
that
are
going
to
be
specific
to
the
city
are
just
the
permitting
aspects
of
it
and
those
were
incorporated
within
our
existing
permitting
mechanisms
under
the
land
development
code.
U
So,
in
order
to
apply
for
the
permit
to
have
chickens
in
your
backyard,
it's
going
to
be
similar
to
the
same
procedure.
Somebody
has
to
apply
for
a
fence
permit
or
for
other
similar
permits
that
are
granted
by
the
community
development
department,
substantively
one
of
the
main
issues,
one
of
the
things
that
a
lot
of
jurisdictions
have
done.
U
If
you
intend
to
apply
for
a
permit
to
have
chickens
in
your
single
family
home,
you
need
to
submit
a
site
plan
and
by
site
planets
you're
just
going
to
have
to
show
dimensional
drawings
of
where
you
intend
to
put
the
structures
the
chicken
coops
that
should
meet
the
setbacks
that
are
that
are
provided
by
code
and
are
set
back.
The
setbacks
of
the
city
are
going
to
be
identical
to
the
setbacks
provided
in
orange
county.
U
The
other
main
factor
is
that
a
person
applying
for
a
permit
must
complete
a
course
that's
offered
by
the
uf.
I
f
a
I
s
to
teach
folks
how
to
proper
handling
and
proper
raising
of
chickens.
This
is
something
that's
come
across
in
my
initial
research
in
drafting
this
is
not
the
first
backyard
chicken
ordinance.
I
have
drafted
my
initial
research
in
the
first
time
I've
drafted
one
of
these
ordinances.
U
This
comes
from
an
issue
that
happened
in
actually
aurora
colorado
where
there
was
a
backyard
chicken
ordinance
that
was
passed.
What
happened
was
that
folks
weren't
properly
trained
and
you
had
an
increased
incidence
of
avian
bird
flu
that
basically
struck
neighborhoods,
so
an
educational
component
was
added,
and
this
is
now
something
that's
common
through
many
of
the
other
backyard
chickens,
ordinances
that
have
been
passed
throughout,
especially
in
as
florida
point.
The
planning
commission
voted
unanimously
to
recommend
denial
of
the
ordinance
they
had
some
questions.
U
One
was
why
two
was
there
were
questions
regarding
how
this
would
affect
neighborhoods
that
were
subject
to
an
hoa,
the
la
the
ordinance
as
written,
actually
states
that
this
law
does
not
supersede
any
private
land
covenants
that
your
hoa
may
have
or
an
hoa
has.
So
if
you
live
in
a
deed,
restricted
community
and
that
and
there
there
are
restrictions
prohibiting
you
from
having
chickens
that's
going
to
govern,
you
will
not
be
able
to
apply
for
a
permit.
U
U
So
that
is
the
the
gist
of
the
ordinance
it's
presented
to
you
for
first
reading.
If
you
have
any
questions,
I
am
here
to
attempt
to
answer
them.
B
U
Well,
your
any
chicken
coops
you
have
to
construct
are
going
to
be
subject
to
the
florida
building
code.
So
there's
going
to
be
inspections
for
that.
At
that
point,
it's
going
to
be
just
like
if
you
put
up
a
fence
if
it's
not
complying
to
code,
if
a
complaint
is
is
addressed
to
code
enforcement,
this
this
ordinance
is
actually
one
if
codified,
will
be
enforced
by
code
enforcement.
B
U
Code
enforcement
will
go
out
and
the
ordinance
actually
authorizes
the
code
enforcement
officer
to
go
on
to
private
property
to
inspect
the.
If
there's
a
an
offense
and
there
the
ordinance
regulates
that
the
chickens
must
be
in
a
coop.
It
regulates
the
numbers,
you
can't
have
any
roosters
can't
necessarily
have
free
ranged
backyard
chickens,
so
there
are,
there
are
certain
guidelines
that
must
be
must
be
met
once
you
do
receive
a
permit.
U
M
M
Smell
dealing
with
all
of
these
different
things,
so
it
seems
to
be
pretty
comprehensive
on
allowing
people
that
want
to
do
this
without
bothering
their
neighbor.
You
know,
I
think,
there's
enough
regulation
there
to
alleviate
any
concerns
that
I've
heard.
Well
what
about
this?
What
about
that?
And
this
deals
with
that
and
still
affords
the
freedom
to
that
and
the
fact
that
the
hoa
can
supersede.
I
think
that
was
the
biggest
concern
you
know,
and
so
the
fact
that
they
do
have
the
right
to
overrule
those
things
right
and.
C
U
AE
A
R
I
I
have
a
couple
concerns
on
this.
One
one
is
that
we
do
have
rental
properties
in
our
communities.
This
specifically
states
it's
only
owner-occupied,
single-family
homes
or
residences.
R
I
would
want
it
to
be
open
to
renters
tenants
as
well.
I
think
I
I
don't
know
why
we're
specifically
limited
commissioner
smith
since.
C
You
wrote
it,
I
don't
know
if
that
was.
R
A
specific
intention,
or
not,
I
just
think
opening
it
up
to
tenants,
is
valuable
if
we're
gonna
do
this.
The
only
other
thing
that
I
had
kind
of
questioned
was
just
these
setbacks.
R
I
feel
like
they're
a
little
too
small
because
at
some
point,
some
of
our
patio
homes
that
we
have
things
like
that
these
could
easily
end
up
onto
people's
back
porches
things
like
that
and
depending
on
I
mean
I
know,
code
enforcement
already
is
pretty
stacked,
so
I'm
just
concerned
about
now
we
have
many
more
issues
for
them
to
to
have
to
be
called
on.
So
those
are
my
only
issues
with
it
again
love
the
idea.
I
love
the
concept.
It
is
trending
and
absolutely
love
it.
It's
just.
R
The
setbacks
off
of
your
yard,
so
it's,
I
think
it's
15
feet,
correct
and
then
10
feet
from
the
property
boundary.
So
you
could
technically
have
this
up
on
your
property
itself.
G
R
So
that
that's
just
my
only
kind
of
other
one
that
I'm
I'd
prefer
to
be
a
little
further
setbacks,
because
we
are
proving
some
of
our
communities
now
some
of
the
newer
communities
are
40
foot
wide
lots
so.
A
R
So
I've
measured
them.
I
did
use
some
examples
and
you
do
and
that's
my
concern.
Even
these
new
communities,
you
do
have
the
setbacks
and
and
I'm
not
sure
that
every
hoa
brand
new
hoa
that
we're
approving
is
taking
into
account
that
that
we
may
have
chickens.
So
I
just
I
I'm
worried
that
we're
having
a
little
undue
burden
on
some
hoas.
That
makes
a
change
but
again
whatever
this
council
wants.
I
you
know,
but.
U
Now
it's
gotta
be
in
the
back,
and
then
you
have
to
have
your
setbacks
from
you.
Have
your
side
yard
setbacks
as
well
as
your
your
rear
yard
setbacks
plus,
then
you
have
to
now
play
around
not
just
with
your
setbacks,
but
that
there's
a
maximum
square
footage
that
your
coop
can
have
sure.
AA
U
You
you
have
to
figure.
This
is
the
size
of
my
coop.
Can
I
fit
it
in
there
and
then
you'll
you'll
work
it
to
the
setbacks.
One
of
the
things
we
could.
We
could
add
if
you
wish
to
if
the
council
wishes
to
add,
to
provide
to
allow
for
tenants
to
have
them.
We
can
have
such
a
such
a
requirement.
U
R
If
I
think
that
I
just
think
that's
valuable,
I
think
we're
cutting
out
a
large
portion
of
individuals
that
would
tap
into
this.
We.
U
Could
imagine
if
it's
the
council's
wish,
we
could
amend
that
section
to
allow
just
be
the
property
owner
with
a
caveat
sentence
in
there.
Should
the
property
be
a
rental,
you
know,
tenant
occupied
the
consent
of
the
property
owner
must
be
obtained
in
order
to
obtain
a
permit
perfect.
U
D
M
U
Then
there
are
fencing,
yeah,
there's
fencing
requirements
with
fencing
height.
Also,
one
thing
I
forgot
to
mention
this
is
one
thing
that
was
added
in
addition
to
what's
in
the
orange
county
code,
and
this
has
come
up
with
many
code
enforcement
complaints
is,
there
is
an
added
provision
that
that
prohibits
certain
other
animals
on
residential
properties,
so
this
net
this
is
only
applicable
to
chickens.
U
U
A
AI
Yeah,
yes,
susan
frenchy,
1058,
lakeside
drive
the
community
that
I
live
in
is
off
of
welsh
road.
We
are
pretty
much
surrounded
by
wakaiva
state
park
in
lake
private,
so
I'd
like
to
speak
in
opposition
to
the
idea
of
chickens
in
backyards
for
three
reasons:
one
from
an
environmental
standpoint.
Chicken
excrement
is
very
high
in
nitrogen
and
it's
bad
for
the
storm
water
runoff.
AI
AI
Second
issue
and
concern:
is
it's
a
potential
attractant
to
the
coyote,
the
bobcat
and
other
wildlife
that
live
in
wacava
state
park?
I
they're
out
there
we
hear
the
coyote
howling
at
night.
We
don't
need
any
more
reason
for
them
to
come
closer
to
our
properties
and
then
from
the
third
reason,
potential
negative
impact
on
property
values
because
they
do
have
a
noise
and
a
smell.
I
know
there's
no
roosters
involved,
but
I
can
say
that
the
chickens
do
make
a
lot
of
noise.
AI
AI
So
those
are
the
three
things
that
I'd
like
you
to
consider
and
perhaps
may
a
city
of
apopka
is
a
very
large
from
a
square
mile
perspective
very
large
community.
Perhaps
we
just
need
to
look
specifically
at
the
wakaya
river
basin
or
the
area
around
kaiva
state
park
and
say
that
maybe
that's
not
the
perfect
area
for
raising
chickens.
A
R
And
speaking
of
that,
too,
a
couple
different
residents
from
the
city
have
brought
that
up
very
similar
topics.
Is
there
any
way
that
we
can?
I
mean
it
would
help
it.
I
I'm
guessing.
You
live
on
cuba,
glen,
okay.
If
we
can
limit
it
to
exclude
plant
developments
again
it
would.
It
would
take
off
that
burden
of
hoas
as
well,
and
then
anybody
that's
not
an
hoa
kind
of
assumes
that
they
have
kind
of
free
reign
as
well
as
setbacks
and
everything
else.
I
don't
know
because
again
we're.
U
That's
a
that's
a
possible,
I
mean
again
we
can
there's
two
ways
of
drafting
these
types
of
ordinances.
From
our
experience,
the
last
one
I
drafted
actually
listed
specific
zoning
districts
where
these
uses
would
be
allowed
orange
county
does
does
not
have
such
a
restriction,
so
you
can
actually
have
them
in
if
you're.
If
your
property
is
in
a
planned
development
in
orange
county,
you
can
have
backyard
chickens.
So
in
keeping
with
the
consistency
with
orange
county's
regulations,
that's
what
the
language
is.
U
This
is
a
prerogative
of
the
board
to
the
first
issue.
The
ordinance
actually
specifically
provides
regulations
for
handling
of
waste
materials,
either
through
proper
composting
or,
if
you're
going
to
dispose
of
it,
has
to
be
in
a
proper
in
a
proper
disposal
container
and
then
disposed
with
the
with
your
solid
waste.
U
U
It's
it's
it's
your
prerogative!
If
you
wish
to
to
specifically
list
the
zoning
districts
or
if
just
you
want
to
specifically
exclude
the
pd
zoning
district
that
can
be
incorporated
in
into
the
code,
it's
just
the
the
way
that
it's
drafted
is
so
that
there
is
no
confusion
between
the
regulations
in
the
unincorporated
area
and
the
incorporated
area.
The
orange
counties
and
apopka's
regulations
will
be
virtually
identical.
A
A
F
M
I
do
know
in
the
code,
it
also
gives
direction
on
how
to
build
it,
that
it
keeps
from
animals.
Even
it
has
to.
M
Into
the
ground
to
keep
from
digging
animals
different
things
like
that,
so
yeah,
there
are
different
ones
that
have
voiced
those
concerns,
and
I
think
we
address
those
and
again,
as
you
said,
this
isn't
something
new
that
we're
doing.
This
is
something
that's
been
successful
in
other
areas,
correct,
also
dealing
with
the
smell.
That's
probably
the
biggest
one
and.
M
Why
it
has
to
be
so
far
back
that
it
has
to
have
either
fencing,
there's
just
different
things
that
I
think
are
addressed
there
for
granted.
U
This
isn't
a
case
of
someone
just
putting
up
something
in
their
backyard
and
then
coming
to
the
county.
You've
got
sorry
to
the
city.
You
have
to
show
what
you
plan
on
building,
what
you
plan
on
submitting
before
that's
the
condition
to
receiving
the
permit.
So
it's
this
isn't
just
it
doesn't
give
anybody
free
reign
to
begin
raising
chickens
in
their
backyard.
Q
F
M
AC
U
U
Some
of
the
issues
that
have
occurred
in
the
past
is
a
lot
of
folks,
sometimes
question
why
they
have
to
do
certain
things
and
we
direct
them
to
a
resolution.
A
resolution
that's
not
easily
readily
available
codifying
this
will
provide
it.
It'll
be
clearly
listed
in
the
code
clearly
accessible
to
everyone
via
municode,
as
well
as
any
other
copies
of
the
code
of
ordinances.
U
There
is
no
substantive
differences
that
have
been
added.
Some
things
have
been
clarified.
Some
things
have
been
fine-tuned
to
be
consistent
with
the
state
of
state
law.
In
regards
to
decorum
rules
for
city
council
meetings,
I
mean
I
can
go
through
the
resolution,
this
subject
matter
in
resolution
2016
and
direct
you
to
where
it's
actually
codified
in
ordinance
2931
the
resolution.
U
Some
of
these
important
issues
that
we
wanted
to
address
were
folks
who
come
in
either
to
actually
speak
onto
a
matter.
It's
on
the
agenda
or
at
public
comment
who
bring
in
separate
media.
One
of
the
concerns
is
we
want
to
be
able
to
review
the
media,
not
for
its
content,
but
to
avoid
any
type
of
electronic
virus,
any
electronic
malware
that
is
inadvertently
on
someone's
materials
to
infect
the
city.
U
So
that's
the
one
of
the
requirements
for
the
48-hour
window
for
the
city
to
be
able
to
examine
to
see
if
one,
the
item
that
you
wish
to
present,
that
a
person
wishes
to
present
is
consistent
with
the
city's
software
and
that
it
does
not
contain
any
hazardous
material.
That
would
be
that
would
cause
a
problem
with
the
city's
I.t
software.
U
That
is
in
section
three
of
resolution
2016-16
that
is
now
codified
at
section
224
f2c
of
the
ordinance,
the
section
regarding
the
public
participation
on
and
both
for
items
that
are
not
on
the
agenda,
which
would
be
public
comment
and
items
on
the
agenda,
which
is
when
public
comments
are
open
in
regards
to
a
matter
that
is
being
discussed.
U
Those
are
section
four
of
resolution
2016-16.
Those
are
now
codified.
In
section
224,
f2
of
ordinance,
29
31.,
section
5
of
26
of
resolution.
2016-16
discusses
the
manner
of
addressing
the
city
council
that
is
now
codified
at
section
224
f2c
of
ordinance
2931.,
then
there's
the
standards
for
decorum.
U
U
one
of
the
re
one
of
the
matters
the
city
council
is
to
be
addressed
as
a
whole,
that
is
in
res.
That
is
section
6a
of
the
resolution.
It
is
now
codified
in
section
224
f2d
of
the
ordinance,
so
that
will
be
the
section
of
the
code.
U
Section
6b
of
the
resolution
addresses
personal
attacks
and
insults
as
as
part
of
either
public
comments,
or
you
know
in
some
other
jurisdictions,
that's
actually
governing
personal
attacks
and
insults
between
council
members.
U
U
It
is
a
period
for
you
to
provide
a
public
comment
and
then
council
has
a
direction
on
whether
to
direct
staff
to
address
the
comment
to
be
addressed
at
a
future
date
that
is
now
codified
at
224,
f2e
6d
deals
with
disruptions
in
decorum,
which
has
certain
requirements
or
certain
authority
that
is
granted
to
the
mayor
as
part
of
the
council.
That
matter
has
now
been
revised
in
section
224
g
of
the
ordinance
and
that
such
a
revision
provides
a
now.
There
is
certain
guidelines.
U
A
lot
of
them
are
content
neutral
in
regards
to
both
either
the
mayor
mayor
is
identified
as
the
presiding
officer
of
the
council.
This
applies
to
other
councils
and
boards
of
the
city.
So
when
the
ordinance
refers
to
mayor
or
presiding
officer
presiding
officers,
it
would
be
the
chair
of
the
planning
commission,
the
presiding
officer
of
drc,
the
presiding
officer
of
any
other
board
of
the
city
is
then
regulated
that
authority.
U
One
of
the
things
that's
been
fine-tuned
and
revised
is
that
any
type
of
and
the
statute
states,
willful
interruption
or
disruption
of
a
meeting.
U
A
board
member
may
make
a
motion
to
address
the
issue
and
present
it
to
the
mayor
for
to
address
the
issue.
This
came
up
during
one
of
the
council
meetings.
One
of
the
commissioners
raised
a
point
of
order
to
try
to
address
what
was
escalating
at
a
at
a
meeting
at
this.
What
the
what
the
ordinance
now
does
is
if
the
presiding
officer
does
not
immediately
address
it,
the
matter
can
be
brought
by
one
of
the
council
members
and
by
a
majority
vote
of
the
council.
U
U
If
the
disrupter
continues
willfully
interrupting
the
meeting,
then
they
may
be
escorted
out,
they
potentially
may
be
prosecuted
under
florida
statutes.
There
is
a
florida
statute
specifically
designated
to
charge
someone.
I
believe
it's
a
misdemeanor
for
willful
interruption
of
a
public
meeting,
but
these
are
things
that
are
not
alien
to
the
resolution
they
already
exist
and
the
the
board
council
already
has
this
authority.
U
What
we're
merely
doing
is
codifying
it
in
code
to
make
it
clear
and
express
to
the
public
what
the
rules
and
decorum
of
the
city
council
meeting
the
time
limitations
for
speaking
will
remain
at
four
minutes.
U
U
In
the
event,
if
the
city
elects
to
declare
a
state
of
emergency
for
hurricane
or
any
other
matter
that
or
that
emergency
ordinance
is
not
subject
to
public
comment,
there
is
also
an
official
act
involving
no
more
than
a
ministerial
act
is
not
subject
to
public
comment.
The
easiest
example
is
there
are
no
public
comments
to
approve
the
minutes
of
the
prior
meeting.
U
Third
item
is
when
the
council
is
acting
in
a
quasi-judicial
capacity.
In
that
case,
there's
the
comments
or
any
type
of
testimony,
is
going
to
be
limited
to
the
subject
matter.
If
we
have
an
appeal
or
some
matter
there,
the
area
of
public
comment
there's
an
exemption
from
from
overall
general
public
comment
for
a
matter
that
is
being
handled
in
a
quasi-judicial
matter.
U
The
most
easiest
example
is
appeals
from
lower
bodies
appeals
from
a
lower
tribunal,
which
would
be
the
biggest.
The
easiest
example
is
special
exceptions.
The
final
decision
rests
with
the
planning
commission.
Any
appeals
are
based
on
the
record
before
it
on
the
record
before
the
planning
commission
when
it
comes
to
you.
So
therefore,
any
testimony
should
be
limited
to
that.
That
was
presented
at
the
planning
commission
because
you're
hearing
it
as
an
appellate
body
and
then
the
fourth
one
is
any
meeting
of
the
city
council
exempt
from
section
286.011.
U
The
easiest
example
of
that
is,
if,
if
I
were
to
call
an
executive
session
to
discuss
litigation
strategies,
other
types
of
executive
sessions
which
are
exempt
from
sunshine,
the
public
is
not
invited
into
the
executive
session
to
provide
for
public
comment.
That
is
solely
a
session
between
the
council
and
and
their
attorney
that
those
are
matters
that
are
recorded
by
public
by
a
by
a
court
reporter
and
the
transcripts
of
such
are
made
public
after
the
resolution
of
the
proceedings
that
are
the
subject
of
the
executive
order.
U
So
if
that
is
the
case,
that
is
the
the
gist
substantively
showing
what
the
difference
is
between
well,
not
differences,
but
that
that
the
resolution
is
currently
being
codified
under
the
code,
making
it
easier
for
the
public
to
review
and
to
understand
what
the
rules
are.
These
are
not
new
they're
they're,
currently,
in
effect
by
resolution,
what
we
seek
to
do
is
to
codify
them
for
the
benefit
of
the
public.
M
No,
I
just
remember
when
we
were
first
addressing
some
of
this
back
with
mayor
kilzheimer
and
at
that
point
some
of
these
things
were
established
that
it
wasn't
the
council's
well
at
that
time
to
limit
to
three
minutes.
He
had
proposed
that,
but
other
than
that
these
things
were
actually
read
at
the
beginning
of
the
meeting,
so
people
understood
that
and
that's
kind
of
gone
by
the
wayside.
I
remember
at
one
point
I
think
commissioner
becker
was
you
know,
attacked
specifically
and
he
said
hey.
M
I
have
the
right
to
speak
about
this,
and
so
we
addressed
all
those
things
back
then,
as
you
said,
that's
been
already
the
standard.
This
isn't
a
new
thing
other
than
a
couple
of
clarifications
there.
According
to
law-
and
this
goes
back
to
every
assembly-
I
mean
from
the
from
the
congress
right
on
down,
there's
a
decorum
and
and
how
things
are
handled,
and
so
you
know
it's
so
that
we
can
do
business
but
not
to
steal
people
to
express
their
views.
It
just
needs
to
be
done
in
a
way.
That's
not
restrictive
right.
U
I
wanted
to
make
sure
to
refine
certain
of
the
prohibitions
to
remove
any
questions
regarding
the
content
of
any
type
of
deliberation.
If
somebody
there
there's
a
difference
between
the
content
and
the
conduct,
and
I
think
it's
there's
a
degree
that
could
be
readily
seen
like
anything,
there's
always
something
subject
to
challenge,
because
that's
always
going
to
happen.
It's
can't
avoid
that.
U
Now
we
will
between
now
and
second
reading,
we
are
working
with
the
police
department
with.
I
am
working
with
the
police
chief
to
to
fine-tune
some
other
language
when
it
comes
to
certain
authorities,
that'll
be
brought
at
second
reading
there.
I've
received
the
change
and
I've
reviewed
them
from
from
the
police
department's
from
the
police
department's
council,
they're,
really
they're
minor.
U
U
U
M
U
Is
the
purpose
of
the
freedom
to
discuss?
That's
the
issue?
The
purpose
of
public
document
is
to
comment
on
a
matter
that
is
not
scheduled
to
be
addressed
right.
What
now
once
adopted,
this
could
authorize
either
the
mayor
as
the
presiding
officer
or
any
council
member.
U
If
somebody
is
at
public
comment,
speaking
onto
a
matter
that
is
scheduled
to
be
addressed
and
is
on
the
agenda
later
in
the
meeting,
you
may
stop
that
person
and
state
your
subject
matter
is
is
going
to
be
addressed
later
because,
if
they're
addressing
something
on
public
comment,
that's
going
to
be
addressed
later
on
the
agenda.
U
Their
comment
no
longer
becomes
a
record
of
that
item
in
the
event
that
there's
some
type
of
a
challenge,
some
type
of
appeal
or
something
they're
they're
actually
restricting
themselves
from
being
able
to
address
the
matter
and
have
that
be
part
of
the
record
of
the
adoption.
If
someone
is
interested
or
has
an
issue
in
regards
to
I
mean
I
could
just
recently
I
mean
ma'am,
you
were
interested
in
the
adoption.
Had
she
gotten
up
and
spoken
at
public
comment
about
that.
U
Her
comments
would
not
have
been
part
of
the
record
of
the
adoption
of
the
ordinance,
and
that's
that's
something.
That
is
that's
the
reason
why
public
comment
is
your
ability
to
speak,
as
the
city
council
gives
the
forum
to
the
public
to
speak
on
any
matter?
That's
not
on
the
agenda.
If
you're
going
to
speak
on
a
matter
on
the
agenda,
wait
your
turn
with
everyone
else
when
it's
to
your
time
to
come
and
speak
on
that
matter,
so
that
you
form
a
proper
record
on
the
item.
That's
being
adopted.
B
Sure
sure
in
the
2016-16.
B
U
That
is,
that's
really
not
part
of
public
participation
or
quorum.
That's
really
your
own
administrative
rules,
that's
that
is
governing
when
that's
discovering
council
time,
when
you
guys
can
speak
to
any
matter.
That's
not
on
the
agenda
when
you
want
to
talk
about
saturday
sounds
or
that's
what
section
9
is
in
regards
to.
U
Right
right,
that
is
the
same
with
what
I
addressed
earlier.
Public
comment
is
not
q
a
time
it
is
a
is
the
opportunity
for
the
public
to
speak,
to
use
your
four
minutes
and
you
will
receive
their
comments
and
then,
if
you
wish
to
address
the
the
issue
with
staff
to
then
address
it
to
have
it
be
as
part
of
an
official
matter
in
the
future,
we
can
go
right
ahead.
U
It's
trying
to
one
of
the
things
is
to
try
to
continue
the
orderly
progression
of
a
meeting
and
not
end
up
with
public
comment
with
a
10-minute
dialogue
between
someone
in
q.
A
it's.
It's
public
comment
in
every
other
jurisdiction
that
I've
been
a
part
of
is
state
your
peace.
We
acknowledge
it.
We
move
on
to
the
next
person.
Okay,.
U
So
that's
the
purpose
of
the
48,
so
if
someone
shows
up
day
of
we'll
have
to
advise
them
at
this
point,
it's
a
disservice
to
someone
who's
trying
to
live
streaming,
and
now
the
the
code
is
clear.
Everyone
is
now
on
notice.
The
code
is
available
to
the
public
online.
There's
a
there's,
a
requirement.
We
need
your
media
48
hours
before
for
proper
scanning
and
for
proper
presentation
so
that
it
already
has
it
all
set
up
and
cued
for
you
to
go,
but.
A
R
This
one's
a
tough
one
for
me,
I
I
got
a
couple
different
kind
of
hurdles
on
this
one.
One
of
them
which
is
pertinent
to
today
is
is
exactly
what
commissioner
velasquez
brought
up
of
council
members,
not
or
speakers
not
directing
their
comments
to
one
specific
member.
I
just
had
that
happen
tonight
to
me
and
I
fully
support
it.
I
think
that's
the
right
of
our
constituents
to
to
address
us,
and
I
said
it
during
my
campaign-
hold
us
accountable.
R
C
R
I
need
to
be
held
accountable
for
my
own
actions
and
I
think
that's
the
the
appropriate
time
in
venue
to
do
that,
and-
and
I
think
you
know
you-
the
point
that
was
made
is
trying
to
make
everything
as
content
neutral,
that
we're
not
trying
to
limit
that,
but
I
think
that
specifically
does
in
a
very
big
substantial
way.
Additionally,
to
echo
commissioner
smith's
comments
in
reference
to
the
timing
of
providing
presentation
whatever
it
may
be.
I
think
48
hours
is
a
little
excessive.
R
I
know
it's
doing
the
best
they
absolutely
can
with
what
they
have
and
any
time
does
x
absolutely
help
them,
but
I
will
say
preparing
for
this
kind
of
stuff.
It
does
take
time
and
sometimes
it's
a
day
of
that
you're.
Finally,
getting
your
last
point,
refined
and
clear
and
and
presentation
done
so
I
would
hate
to
it
be
a
timely
presentation
that
now
has
to
be
pushed
to
the
next
meeting
because
of
this
specific
requirement.
So
I
would
ask
that
we
kind
of
reduce
that
in
some
capacity.
R
R
So
there's
a
couple
other
smaller
things
in
in
here
that
I
I
just
I
don't
completely
agree
with
and
and
what
worries
me
or
concerns
me-
is
that
we're
going
to
put
this
in
place
when
we
already
have
a
resolution
that
covers
most
of
this
and
we're
not
already
following
that.
So
I
don't
know
how
this
is
going
to
be.
R
U
Well,
I
think
one
of
the
more
important
ones
is
is
because
it
what
wasn't,
if
there's
any
substantive
difference
between
what
was
in
the
resolution
and
what's
in
the
code,
is
that
the
the
codification
of
it
now
empowers
any
one
of
the
council
members
to
step
in
and
call
for
some
type
of
order.
The
resolution
only
bestowed
that
authority
on
the
mayor.
U
So
now,
if,
if
there's
something
out
of
hand,
one
of
the
council
members
can
call
it
to
order,
call
it
to
a
vote
to
try
to
have
the
matter
addressed,
that's
something
that
is,
and
that's
not
something
that's
alien
in
any
other
jurisdictions.
In
the
state
of
florida.
I
mean
this.
The
language
echoes
and
mirrors
a
lot
of
the
existing
resolution
and
some
of
the
other
substantive
language
to
codify
it.
I
did
review
other
ordinances.
A
lot
of
this
model.
U
U
They
went
a
little
further
that
we
don't
have
it.
The
this
ordinance
does
not
have
any
types
of
restrictions.
The
48-hour
prior
timing,
that's
actually
currently
in
resolution
2016-16.
So
that
was
something
that's
already
been
contemplated.
If
you.
V
R
Is
why
this
is
almost
superfluous
at
this
point,
if
we're
not
already
following
what's
there,
and
I
understand
your
point,
it's
putting
on
notice
to
our
residents,
but
I
I
just
don't
see
how
impactful
this
is.
I
mean
it's,
it's
impactful
as
much
as
we're
going
to
follow
it
right.
U
Well,
I
would
like
the
resolution
or,
like
any
other
ordinance,
it's
going
to
come
down
to
the
the
discretion
on
on
the
enforcement.
Now
I
think,
having
it
codified
and
bringing
it
close
to
the
public.
Now,
that's
the
discretion
of
how
strictly
you
wish
to
enforce,
especially
when
it
comes
to
time
limitations.
U
That's
that's
your
prerogative
and
that's
your
that's!
Your
lack
of
a
better
term
prosecutor
prosecutorial
discretion,
but
at
this
point
it's
clear
I
think
one
of
the
one
of
the
impetus
is
sometimes
I
think,
there's
been
one
speaker
once
before
when
when
asked
now
that
it's
codified,
you
know
you
provide
your
name
and
address.
It
was
immediately
turned.
Why
do
I
have
to
do
that?
Well,
it's
in
the
resolution.
Well,
I
don't
know
where
the
what
resolution?
U
Well
now
it's
in
the
code-
and
you
know
if
there's
a
requirement-
the
code
puts
the
public
on
notice.
It's
a
lot
more
accessible
having
it
codified.
The
code
is
a
lot
more
accessible
to
the
public
than
a
resolution.
Our
resolutions
are
not
codified
by
unicode.
You
would
have
to
actually
obtain
a
copy
of
the
resolution.
Have
a
copy
of
the
resolution
also
any
changes
now
that
it's
codified
is
gonna,
require
two
public
hearings:
there'll
be
more
public
participation
in
this
matter
than
it
would
be
under
resolution,
so
it
there's.
U
There
is
more
of
a
sense
of
transparency
and
more
accessibility
to
notice
what
are
the
rules
that
are
now
codified
under
the
code.
I.
A
A
R
Yeah
and
the
only
other,
my
sticking
point
is
I
I
feel
you
should
be
able
to
directly
articulate
your
message.
A
public
member
should
be
able
to
specifically
say
our
name,
whoever
it
may
be
and
reference
their
comment.
That
doesn't
mean
that
there's
an
open
dialogue
that
doesn't
mean
that
there's
a
response
that
that's
another
sticking
point
from
a
heavy
sticking
point
for
me.
M
M
You
know
that's
put
out
before
everyone
in
a
way
that
you
have
no
idea
or
no
ability
to
rebut
and
that's
it
doesn't
mean
that
a
person
can't
come
and
hold
us
accountable,
but
it
it's
it's
trying
to
move
the
purpose
of
the
meeting
along
if
art,
if
you're
working
on
your
car,
your
purpose
is
to
get
that
done.
If
someone
can
hinder
you
from
doing
that,
it's
like
I'm
being
paid
by
the
hour.
I've
got
to
get
this
done.
You
know.
AA
M
Part
of
that
has
to
do
with
just
the
moving
of
the
meeting.
This
isn't
something
new.
This
was
already
there
and
I
remember
another
time,
commissioner
velasquez
was
directly
attacked
and
there's
no
way
to
say
wait
a
minute,
that's
a
mischaracterization
and,
and
it
can
just
create
an
atmosphere.
That's
that's
hostile,
rather
than
moving
something
forward
when
people
have
that
opportunity
to
come
and
directly
address
concerns
with
us
all.
Well,.
U
That
is
the
purpose
of
in
order
to
effectuate.
The
efficient,
efficient
workings
of
government
for
public
common
purposes
is
to
address
the
body
collegiately
as
a
whole.
In
order
to
address
an
issue
that
the
city
can
address
and
not
have
it
be
the
personal
whipping
post
time
for
one
one-on-one,
but
there's
no
prohibition
against
one-on-one
communications,
not
and
and
this
county.
U
I
cannot
advise
you
to
conduct
to
adopt
any
type
of
regulation
resolution
or
ordinance
prohibiting
one-on-one
conduct,
one-on-one
contact
between
a
member
of
the
constituent
and
their
elected
representative,
there's
just
a
reasonable
time
place
and
manner
restriction
that
that
one-on-one
interaction
is
not
to
be
the
you
have
the
within
your
purview
to
not
have
it
done
during
public
comment,
so
that
city
council
meetings
can
move
forward
efficiently.
M
AJ
U
They
can
come
out
and
say
you
know
this
city
needs
to
do
this
and
you
got
you
guys
can
do
that's
the
collegiate
body.
But
if
someone
comes
in-
and
you
know
you
you
did
this
to
me-
you
did
and
then
at
that
point
it
is
the
in
the
interest
of
the
local
government
to
have
the
efficient
workings
of
government
to
move
it
forward.
U
V
Okay,
we
actually
have
two
okay,
perfect
lee
rockville.
AK
Leroy
bell,
first
of
all,
I
would
like
to
single
out
somebody:
oh,
the
city,
work
guy.
Thank
you
for
responding
in
a
timely
manner
to
the
street
sweeping
thank
you,
sir.
AK
Okay,
now
on
on
this
codified.
C
AK
AK
AK
AK
AK
Something
that
I
don't
think
elected
officials
should
be
able
to
do.
I
can
criticize
my
counsel,
but
the
council
can't
criticize
the
citizens
all
this
is
about
it's
protecting
you.
Well,
it
started
in
what
the
washington
dc,
with
with
donald
trump
using
bill
bob
it's
in
tallahassee,
with
ron
desantis
against
what
they
the
disney
world.
AK
Lies
you
had
you
wha
what
you
said
put
on
ballistic
helmets,
put
on
ballistic,
vest
they're
going
to
cause
a
ride
outside.
Why
don't
you
qualify?
Those
lies.
Let
the
people
speak.
W
W
We
have
it
together,
so
we
can
take
a
look
at
it'd,
be
nice
to
see
that
side
by
side
with
the
resolution
2016-16
that
was
not
approved
by
city
council
back
at
that
time,
and
line
that
up
next
to
a
third
line
with
what
what
the
state
codes
are
in
doing
it.
So
I
have
a
clear
understanding.
I
find
no
objection
to
the
aspect
of
understanding
you're
running
some
real
critical
lines
here.
First,
amendment
rights,
the
aspect
of
the
ability
for
people
to
speak,
decorum,
the
aspect
of
censorship
and
I've
learned
a
long
time
ago.
W
We
all
have
our
backpack
and
our
backpack
is
our
whole
life
experience
and
that's
how
we
view
things
and
why
we
all
view
things
differently
and
what
one
may
observe
of
being
a
personal
attack
is
not
someone
else.
That's
water
off
a
duck's
back.
What
are
they?
What
are
they
talking
he's
hitting
the
issue?
W
I
have
no
problem
with
people
addressing
issues
when
you
attack
people
you've
stepped
over
the
line,
and
I
think
we
need
some
guidance
in
that
area,
but
I
think
trying
to
push
this
through
well,
we'll
make
this
amendments
we'll
talk
to
so
and
so
we'll
talk
to
the
chief.
It
ought
to
be
in
one
package.
We
can
look
at
it
with
those
lines,
so
we
can
look
and
say
what
are
we
trying
to
do?
Why
are
we
trying
to
do
it?
What
makes
most
sense?
Thank
you.
Okay,.
U
Just
the
initial
response
resolution
2016-16
was
adopted
on
july
6
2016
by
this
city.
The
resolution
was
signed
by
joseph
gilsheimer,
the
mayor
and
attested
to
by
the
city
clerk,
so
that
there
was
an
adopted
resolution
in
regards
to
the
decorman's
resolution
and
some
of
the
issues
that
were
that
were
raised.
It's
still
important
to
note
fundamental
constitutional
law.
U
So,
in
that
regards,
in
order
for
clarification,
as
we
bring
this
forward
to
second
reading
those
changes,
I
will
have
it
delineated
the
language
that
is
going
to
be
changed
again.
It
is
minor
the
packet
that
will
be
presented
made
available
to
the
public.
I
will
present,
as
part
of
the
staff
report
for
second
reading,
side-by-side
comparison
of
2016-16
and
ordinance
29
37
29
31,
in
preparation
for
for
second
reading,
but
substantively
ordinance,
29,
31
and
resolution
2016-16
are
very
similar
in
all
regards
this
ordinance
moves
to
codify.
U
It
moves
to
clarify
some
aspects
of
the
resolution,
which
I
I
believe
were
a
little
overbroad
and
therefore
narrows
it
down
and,
I
think,
makes
it
more
stronger,
passing
stronger
constitutional
muster
and
it
also
provides
more
of
an
authority
to
the
collegiate
body
as
a
whole
to
address
certain
issues
that
it
believes
cross.
The
line
of,
I
will
say,
cross
line
of
decorum,
but
reach
to
the
level
where
you
may
have
interference
with
legitimate
government
business
that
the
state
of
florida
has
stated
can
be
regulated
under
law.
U
So
at
this
point
again
asking
that
the
matter
be
approved
and
held
for
second
reading
and
it,
and
we
will
present
all
the
additional
materials
for
second
reading.
M
I
honestly
have
no
problem
with
what
rod
expressed
there,
mr
olsen,
even
to
that
point,
because
I
don't
want
it
feeling
like
we're,
trying
to
railroad
something
through
we're.
Not
it
is.
It
has
been
unclear,
you
know
and,
as
nick
had
said,
we
haven't
been
reading
it
beforehand,
so
I
think
in
some
people's
minds,
it's
like
well
we're
not
practicing
this.
M
M
I
think
he
had
mentioned,
and
I
don't
know
if
anyone
else
agrees
to
mention
tabling
it,
bringing
it
on
a
first
reading
with
both
side
by
side
so
that
the
public
can
see.
This
is
what
we're
bringing
forth.
This
is
the
resolution
that
was
already
signed
back
in
2016,
and
this
is
what
we're
trying
to
do
to
codify
and
clarify
it,
so
that
it
is
clear
to
everyone
from
this
point
forward.
U
U
M
Understand,
but
that
will
be
the
second
reading,
that
to
table
it
and
present
it
the
way
you're
going
to
in
the
second
reading,
as
a
first
reading
then
allows
this
is
what
the
public
is
saying.
We
want
to
see
it
in
this
way.
There's
not
an
abject
rejection
of
these
things,
they're
just
simply
they're,
just
trying
to
say
you're,
saying
this
matches
that,
but
we
can't
see
it,
and
I
think
I.
U
U
It's
like
it's,
the
continuation
of
this
of
this
matter
and,
if
you're
directing
staff
directing
staff
to
bring
forward
the
comparisons,
then
it'll
be
presented.
But
what
what
what
you'll
be
doing
is
this
first
reading
will
continue
at
the
next
meeting.
It's
not
a
second,
for
we
can't
can't
have
a
second
first
reading
because
I'm
not
going
to
re-advertise.
U
F
And
I
would
second
that
and
at
the
same
time,
if
you
would
also
check
with
it
and
see
if
40
hours
is
absolute
amount
of
time,
they
need.
In
order
to
to
do
that.
Because,
as
I
said,
the
public
did
say
that
they
were
not
able
to
see
the
same
thing
that
we
were
seeing
right
right
and.
U
I
was
second,
the
most
the
time
wise
is
to
avoid.
Usually
we've
had
video
presentations
presented
as
the
person's
card
is
being
called
and
then
now
we've
got,
does
it
work?
Can
we
play
it
and
now
our
meetings
have
now,
you
know
been
been
held
time-wise
and
therefore,
now
it's
affecting
the
efficient
work
of
government.
U
48
hours
is
usually
it's
kind
of
the
industry
standard.
A
lot
of
the
other
jurisdictions
and
we
had
it
as
starting
in
2016.
48
hours
is
the
is
the
general
standard
for
time
before,
so
that
a
lot
of
times
also
48
hours
allows
a.
If
someone
wants
to
distribute
paper
documents,
it
gives
enough
time
for
the
clerk
to
provide
all
the
copies
and
have
it
be
part
of
your
packets.
U
Already,
then,
we're
rushing,
because
someone
shows
up
now
with
five
different
packets,
and
now
they
expect
you
to
read
them
all,
while
they're
speaking
in
public
comments,
it
gives
them
the
opportunity
if
they
have
something
they
want
to
present
for
you
to
read
now.
You
have
also
48
hours
to
review
the
material
and
preparation
in
order
to
address
the
issue
to
direct
staff
to
to
respond
to
it.
A
Okay,
we've
got
a
motion
to
continue.
AA
A
W
U
Good
afternoon,
michael
rodriguez
city
attorney,
the
ordinance
presented
before
you
now
is
a
adoption
of
what
the
state
of
florida
under
florida
statutes
under
chapter
162.
More
specifically,
section
162
11
authorizes
local
governments
to
initiate
a
citation
procedure
for
code
enforcement.
It
is
a
alternative
mechanism
for
code
enforcement
to
enforce
the
codes.
U
What
a
citation
is
it's,
basically,
you
can
enumerate
certain
violations
which
a
code
enforcement
officer
can
simply
issue
somebody,
a
citation
you
get
a
ticket
instead
of
going
through
the
process
of
a
notice
of
violation
and
the
hearing
process
for
certain
violations
it
some
of
the
examples
in
other
jurisdictions.
If,
if
you're
on
unkept
lawn
well,
you
can
just
cite
them.
It's
a
citation.
U
It's
a
fine
and
then
the
ordinance
creates
a
mechanism
for
someone
wants
to
challenge
the
issuance
of
the
citation
they
can
either
challenge
it
in
county
court,
similar
to
it's
basically
identical
in
mechanism
as
a
parking
ticket.
You
can
either
go
to
county
court
to
challenge
it
or
you
can
have
it
challenged
if
you
elect
not
to
pay.
If
you
like
to
contest
it,
it
can
be
contested
before
a
special
magistrate.
U
Person
will
then
be
scheduled
to
appear
before
the
code
enforcement
special
magistrate
when
it's
when
it's
heard
and
that
matter
will
be
addressed,
but
it
provides
the
stat
it's
a
statutory
mechanism
and
it
provides
an
alternative,
an
alternative
step
for
coding
for
code
enforcement
officers
to
enforce
our
codes,
in
addition
to
the
standard
procedure
of
a
notice
of
violation,
time
to
cure
preparing
before
special
magistrate
having
it
an
order
issued
then
having
that
order.
U
If
it's
not
addressed
then
be
subject
to
a
lien,
those
are
the
daily
fines
depending
on
the
the
severity
this
can.
This
citation
procedure
can
address
certain
minor
citations
that
can
be
addressed
with
just
the
issues
of
a
citation
and
either
the
person
can
elect
to
pay
the
fine
or
can
test
the
fine
either
in
county
court
or
before
the
special
magistrate,
and
all
these
are
mechanisms
that
are
authorized
by
state
statute.
U
B
B
B
U
U
Okay,
it's
in
addition,
so
we
the
code,
it's
code.
Enforcement
has
a
discretion
to
to
determine
okay.
These
are
certain
finds
that
we
may
be
able
to
address
easier
by
way
of
a
citation
than
going
through
the
process,
but
that
will
not
eliminate
the
standard
process
of
code
enforcement.
It's
just
now.
It's
road,
a
or
road
b.
U
Okay,
well,
it's
yes,
we'll
have
a
choice
they
can.
They
can
state
which
of
the
violations
are
simpler
to
deal
with
via
citation,
as
opposed
to
the
standard,
162
notice
of
violations.
B
So
they
so
the
code
officer
can
can.
Is
he
able
to
right
now
on
it
without
anyone
calling
in
a
code
violation
if
he
sees
it,
he
can
address
it.
U
Yes,
if
the
code
enforcement,
I
mean
the
statute
that
it
was
adopted
last
year,
all
it
did
was
prohibit
anonymous
complaints.
So,
if
you
wit,
if
you're
someone
who
wants
to
call
in
a
complaint
for
code
enforcement
to
come
and
address,
you
can
no
longer
do
it
anonymously.
The
person
who's
complaining
must
give
their
name
address
number,
and
now
that
becomes
a
public
record.
I
don't
know
the
infinite
wisdom
of
the
legislature,
but
it
does
not
prohibit
a
code
enforcement
department
from
doing
sweeps
of
neighborhoods.
U
Because
then
the
officer
is
the
initiating
complaint
is
the
initiating
complaint
and
that'll
be
part
of
the
it'll
it'll,
be
in
the
record
that
the
officer
was
doing
a
sub.
I've
been
in
jurisdictions
where
code
enforcement
does
neighborhood
sweeps
and
as
they
do,
the
neighborhood
sweeps
and
if
they
can
observe
a
violation
from
public
property,
they're
the
initiating
complainant,
and
then
the
an
enforcement
action
can
proceed.
U
I
AC
AK
Grass,
what
about
the
city?
Have
anybody
looked
down,
4,
41
lately?
What
about
the
maintaining
of
city
property?
That's
not
being
maintained?
What
about
dilapidated
buildings
and
siding
and
stuff?
Or
how
do
you?
How
do
you
put
citations
on
the
citizens
that
pan
you,
your
salary
and
you're,
not
doing
your
job?
AK
How
do
we
hold
the
city
accountable?
Just
like
the
street
sweeping
you
know,
you
know
for
the
beautification
of
the
city.
Now
this
just
come
right
back
up
under
this
scene.
To
me
one-sided
this
one
side
don't
fit
all
the
only
one.
It
seemed
like
the
ones
that
paying
your
salary
is
the
one
that
the
city
is
finding
a
way
to
squeeze
a
little
more
money
out
of
the
citizen,
whether
it's
how
they
qualify.
AK
If
they're
going
to
build
a
house,
a
business,
you
got
to
go
by
this
code,
this
that
this,
that
that,
if
you're,
not
you're
subject
to
be
no,
you
can't
have
it
just
turn
down.
Deny
you
come
by
my
house.
If
I
ain't
cut
my
grass,
I
got
a
bad
side
nerve.
Sometimes
I
don't
feel
like
cutting.
If
I
don't
cut
in
two
or
three
weeks
then
here
I
am,
I
got
to
pay
another
bill
or
subject
to
go
to
county
court,
but
somebody
have
a
whole
lot
of
jail
time.
AK
A
A
N
Well,
what
a
day,
good
evening
mayor
commissioners
glenn
brooks
water
resource
manager.
I
want
to
give
a
brief,
powerpoint
presentation
pursue
ordinance.
I
promise
I
won't
keep
it.
N
N
N
This
ordinance
enables
the
city
of
a
public
to
comply
with
all
applicable
federal
and
state
laws
for
protection
of
environmental
and
public
health,
safety
and
welfare
for
protection
of
public
infrastructure
in
the
publicly
owned
treatment
works.
It
also
establishes
the
industrial
pre-treatment
oil
and
grease
management
guidelines
also.
N
the
important
some
of
the
important
updates
that
were
were
needed
to
meet
the
new
requirements
through
state
and
federal
statutes
that
govern
these
programs.
The
city
of
pogba
was
also
due
to
update
the
local
pollutants
limits
due
to
the
completion
of
the
water
recognition
facility
that
we
completed
in
2019.
N
The
ph
limit
range
changed
from
5.5
on
the
low
end
to
11.5
milligrams
was
what
it
currently
was,
and
it
was
lowered
to
5.5
to
10.0
milligrams
per
liter
added
in
a
regulation
for
businesses
practicing
dental
album
placement
removal.
That's
a
new
rule
that
had
come
into
effect
that
that
we
had
to
add
to
add
to
it.
Also
added
is
a
regulation
restricting
hazardous
pharmaceutical
waste
from
being
discharged
to
the
publicly
owned
treatment
works.
N
Fast
here
I
told
you
I
was
going
to
be
quick
where
I'm
at
there.
N
Also
in
regulation,
I
already
read
that
other
updates
that
were
added
to
the
ordinance
had
to
do
with
the
technical
language
which
I
know
some
of
you.
Commissioners,
have
seen
and
reviewed
some
of
the
red
line.
That
was
just
more
of
technical
language
for
improved
compliance
requirements
for
the
industrial
pre-treatment
program
and
the
oil
and
greece
management
program.
N
G
Nathaniel
dominguez
environmental
specialist,
with
the
city
of
apopka,
any
of
the
industries
that
are
permanent,
will
receive
a
new
updated
permit
once
these
changes
are
made,
so
they
they
already
know
that
this
is
coming
down
the
pipeline
and
they're
ready
for
that.
G
M
Yeah
was
there
something
specific
that
brought
this
on,
or
is
this
just
simply
catching
up
to
it?
It.
N
Is
catching
up
a
commissioner
one
of
the
things
like
say
on
the
planet
expansion?
Again
we
were
due
to
do
a
new
local
limit
study,
seeing
what
pollutants
we
could
take
based
on
the
new
plant,
so
that
study
had
to
be
done
before
we
could
set
the
sewer
use
ordinance.
Based
on
that,
so
we
were
due
to
have
that
study
done.
N
We
did
we
had
a
was
it
tetratec,
catcher
tech
engineering
done
the
study
for
us
on
the
local
limits
and
that's
what
we
base
the
sewer
ordinance
off
of
what
those
local
limits
say
and
what
pollutants
can
discharge
to
the
plant.
What
the
plant
can
handle
the
loadings
of
it,
and
so.
N
M
I
understood
I
just
wondered
what
brought
it
forward
so,
okay,.
AA
A
A
V
Resolution
2022-11
a
resolution
of
the
city
council
of
the
city
of
apopka
florida
setting
forth
the
city's
intent
to
rename
the
golden
orchard
street
lighting
district
to
the
kelly
west
kelly
park
street
lighting
district
and
extending
the
territorial
limits
of
the
kelly
park.
Street
lighting
district
to
include
exhibit
a
by
adding
it
to
the
existing
limits
of
the
municipal
services
benefit
unit
to
use
the
uniform
ad
valorem
assessment
method
for
properties
lying
within
the
west,
kelly
park,
street
lighting
district
in
the
city
of
apopka
to
fund
street
light
service,
street
lighting
services
facilities
and
programs.
AC
Mayor
city,
council,
chuck
fabrics
of
the
administration.
Basically,
this
has
taken
the
existing
msbu
and
allowing
me
to
rename
it
and
extend
those
boundaries
these
either
a
bud
or
are
close
proximity
to
the
existing
mspu
and
for
housekeeping
purposes.
I'm
trying
to
keep
them
instead
of
having
a
million
of
these
consolidate,
where
I
can.
B
C
A
C
A
AC
AC
Just
just
for
y'all's
information,
since
the
implementation
we've
moved
about
315
000
out
of
having
to
be
paid
out
of
the
street
funds
into
the
msbus.
So
that's
freeing
and
slowly
freeing
up
your
street
money
to
go
back
and
repaving
and
so
forth.
A
AC
AC
This
development's
over
40
years
old
during
some
of
our
inventory
on
retention
ponds
and
so
forth.
We
found
this
one
here,
that's
not
being
maintained
again
to
meet
the
storm
water
requirements.
We
need
to
go
in
and
do
some
improvements
and
the
hoa
was
originally
responsible.
So
this
will
put
it
back
on
those
individual
residents
that
are
responsible
for
maintaining
it
again.
They're
always
welcome
to
recreate
the
hoa
and
we
can
disband
the
msbu,
but
till
such
time.
This
allows
us
to
do
the
improvements
that
are
needed.
A
F
B
F
V
Resolution
2022-17
a
resolution
of
the
city
council
of
the
city
of
apopka
florida
setting
forth
the
city's
intent
to
use
the
uniform
ad
floor
method
of
collection
of
a
non-ad
valorem
assessment
for
properties
lying
within
the
martin
place
phase.
One
neighborhood
improvement
district
in
the
city
of
apopka
to
fund
facilities,
maintenance
and
programs
street
light,
maintaining
an
upkeep
of
the
common
property
to
ensure
the
health,
safety
and
welfare
for
the
residents.
AC
Again,
chuck
levrick
city
administration-
I
did
again
in
this
case
try
to
locate
an
hoa
there's,
no
longer
an
existing
hoa.
You
all
may
be
familiar
the
second
phase.
This
was
the
pond
that
we
ended
up
repairing.
This
is
the
first
phase.
AC
AC
AA
The
vehicle
is
currently
being
evaluated
by
insurance
adjuster
and
will
be
out
for
an
extended
period
of
time.
The
total
amount
request
is
273,
75,
plus
a
10
percent
for
contingency
totaling,
140
000,
one
dollar
and
13
cents,
and
the
resolution
is
to
approve
the
total
amended
for
budget
beginning
october,
1st
2021
for
a
hundred
and
forty
thousand
one
dollar
and
thirteen
cents.
Thank
you.
A
C
B
Wow
welcome
nick.
B
Well,
the
city
did
a
a
wonderful
job
with
the
swearing-in
for
all
of
us
it.
You
know
it
allowed
for
our
friends
and
family
to
to
be
present,
and
I
think
that's
been
absent
for
the
last
few
couple
of
years.
So
it
was
very
nice
and
we
all
enjoyed
it.
The
other
thing,
the
mayor
and
myself,
we
were
invited
to
dream
lake
for
their
breakfast,
where
they
honored.
You
know
the
volunteers.
B
Oh
that's
right!
You
were
too
I'm
sorry
yeah
and
it's
always
very
nice.
It's
always
nice.
When
we
you
know
they
they
they
do
these
little
breakfasts.
We
get
to
kind
of
be
with
the
teachers
and
and
the
school
staff,
and
and
it's
just
something
that
we
we
continuously
do
you
know
by
volunteering
and
supporting
their
their
events
in
the
school.
So
that's
it's
just
a
nice
combination
for
them
to
have
that.
I
did
not
go.
B
I
missed
saturday
sound,
so
I,
although
the
band
that
played
had
been
there
earlier
in
the
year
and.
M
B
Band
the
the
last
two
weeks,
I've
attended
the
apopka
softball
team,
their
last
games
last
night
was
one
of
their
district
championship
game.
We
didn't
make
it,
but
I
have
to
just
kind
of
commend
the
young
ladies
that
play
for
that
team.
I
am
so
impressed
with
them
and
their
ability
and
they
play
hard
and
they
play
with
passion,
and
I
just
want
to
congratulate
them.
They've
had
a
great
season,
they're,
actually
having
a
few
of
their
seniors
who
are
moving
on.
B
M
M
I
had
a
couple
of
things
I
wanted
to
bring
up,
but
my
goodness,
at
the
lateness
of
the
hour,
I
don't
want
to
keep
putting
things
off,
but
I
did
want
to
bring
up
and
I'm
sure
everybody
else
got
the
same
email
from
steve
coleman
concerning
the
farmers,
markets
and
they're
concerned
that
they're,
dwindling
and
yeah.
You
know
so
maybe
we
can
discuss
that.
I
don't
know
if
that's
something
well,.
A
A
What
we're
talking
about
doing
in
the
fall
is
is
hooking
it
up
with
saturday
sounds
is
maybe
the
there's
some
synergy?
Maybe
you
know
people
would
maybe
we're
going
to
the
farmer's
market,
but
not
do
salary
sounds,
and
so
they
but
heck,
I'm
here
and
I'll
stay
for
both.
So
we're
talking
about
you
know,
maybe
marrying
those
two
events
up
with
the
the
farmer's
market
would
be
from
four
to
seven.
Now
the
problem
is
it's
not
on
a
main
thoroughfare,
so
you've
gotta,
you
gotta,
wanna,
go
versus.
You
know
it
on
caitlyn
nelson.
R
Think
that
would
tap,
though,
into
families
playing
sports
out
there.
Things
like
that,
so
you
do
still
have
you
kind
of
balance,
those
out
a
little
bit.
I
think
it's
a
great
idea.
M
And
the
other
thing
actually
rod
brought
it
up.
I
I
don't
want
to
just
let
this
die.
I
want
to
investigate
the
best
way
to
do
this
when
it
comes
to
the
the
backflow
preventers
in
the
city.
M
Looking
at
that,
in
a
way
that
that
makes
it,
you
know
a
good
good.
M
F
Have
a
couple
items:
first
of
all,
let
me
start
off
by
thanking
public
works
for
the
outstanding
job.
They're
doing
I've
submitted
several
items
to
a
city
administrator
before
he
took
off
on
sick
leave
and
he
forwarded
it
to
public
works
and
they're,
taking
care
of
sidewalk
repairs
as
well
as
roads
and
southeastern
said.
Thank
you
and
it's
appreciated
and
it's
been
noticed,
but
you
know
there
will
be
more
to
come.
F
We
want
to
say
thank
you
for
attention
to
that
particular
matter.
Also
this
week
is
teachers
appreciation
week,
so
we
want
to
make
sure
that
we
say
hats
off
to
all
of
our
teachers
for
the
outstanding
job
that
they're
doing
and
want
them
to
know
that
we
support
all
their
efforts
and
what
they're
doing
in
their
classrooms
for
our
students.
Here
in
the
city
of
apopka
last
night
I
attended
with
calvi's
high
school's
awards
night
with
my
friend
john
clone.
F
A
couple
of
items
that
I
would
like
to
recommend
to
to
our
council
and
to
the
mayor
to
give
direction
to
staff
and
one
looking
at
the
crisis
that
we're
now
experiencing
with
affordable
housing,
to
look
at
the
possibility
of
declaring
a
housing
state
or
emergency
in
the
city
of
apopka
and
to
pursue
some
sort
of
rent
stabilization
program
and
according
to
florida
statues,
an
attorney
can
check
it
out.
Florida
status,
125.0103.
F
F
The
next
item
is
that
during
the
campaign,
and
even
before,
we
talked
about
the
annexation,
so
looking
at
putting
together
committee
to
take
a
look
at
annexation
to
so
that
we
can
become
one.
Apopka
is
another
item
that
we
would
like
for
the
council
to
take
a
look
at
and
then.
Thirdly,
I
would
like
to
ask
the
mayor
to
consider
appointing
a
diversity,
inclusion
and
equity
commission
to
establish
and
understand
and
respect
the
goodwill
and
equality
is
exclusive
of
all
rights.
F
R
What
a
meeting
I
just
want
to
say
a
couple,
quick
thank
yous
to
a
lot
of
people
that
I
didn't
officially
get
to
one
specifically
to
my
wife
and
her
support
throughout
my
journey.
AA
R
To
my
friends
and
family
also,
that
was
huge,
thank
you
to
all
our
campaign,
supporters
and
volunteers
and
to
the
citizens
for
voting
for
me
and
trust
me,
and
believing
in
me
thank
you
to
former
commissioner
kyle
l
becker
for
your
time
and
dedication
to
the
city
of
apopka.
Why
your
seat
is
a
big
one
to
fill.
I
look
forward
to
leading
with
your
similar
tenacity,
transparency
and
analytical
processes.
R
Your
tenure
as
a
council
member
is
something
to
be
proud
of,
and
I'm
personally
grateful
for
your
leadership
to
bounce
off
of
commissioner
smith
as
well.
Public
works
has
been
great
to
work
with.
They
have
fixed
some
things.
It's
literally
24-hour
turnout.
I
mean
it's
been
crazy.
How
quick
you
guys
have
gotten
stuff.
So
thank
you
that
has
been
awesome.
Citizens
have
also
told
me,
hey.
We
reported
something
and
within
24
hours
you
guys
got
it
so
very
impressed
with
that.
Thank
you
to
all
the
staff
that
has
helped
with
my
on-boarding
process.
R
It's
been
a
lot
but
very
smooth,
and
it's
been
great
to
great
to
be
a
part
of
this
addition
to
teacher
appreciation
week.
We
have
we
recognize
asian,
american
and
pacific
islander
heritage
month.
That's
may
today.
We
have,
may
the
fourth
be
with
you.
So
for
your
star
wars,
fans
tomorrow
is
cinco
de
mayo,
which
I
did
some
research
about
it.
It
was
some
independence
from
from
france,
that's
cool!
We
have
mother's
day
this
weekend
so
happy
mother's
day.
R
It's
all
the
mothers
to
bounce
off
of
commissioner
velazquez.
We
have
saturday
sounds
this
weekend
and-
and
we
have
the
motowners
in
two
weeks,
which
I
think
is
gonna-
be
pretty
incredible.
That's
starting
from
four
to
seven
and
just
gonna.
Give
you
guys
a
little
background
and
kind
of
update
you
on
what
I've
been
doing.
In
the
background,
the
last
two
weeks
I
met
with
matthews
hope,
an
organization
that
helps
the
homeless
and
really
focuses
on
hand.
Ups
not
handouts.
So
I
really
love
their
program.
R
M
M
We've
got
a
great
speaker
lined
up,
I
believe,
he's
a
historian
and
I
think
it'll
be
very
enjoyable
there,
as
well
as
truly
praying
together
as
a
city
and
then
at
noon.
We
have
prayer
at
the
city,
hall
steps
and
everyone's
welcome.
B
A
He's
making
progress,
I
think
he's
got
another
appointment
on
friday.
Hopefully
gets
good
news
on
friday,
still
a
little
ways
to
go,
but
he's
making
progress
and
he's
he's
weighing
in
on
some
issues.
A
His
left
hand
still
doesn't
work
quite
as
well
as
you'd
like
as
far
as
you
know,
typing
on
the
on
the
ipad
or
or
you
know,
on
the
computer,
but
making
progress,
and
so
you
know
just
keep
him
in
your
prayers.
Michael.
U
There
he
has
deland
played
apopka
in
the
district
two
semi-final.
For
those
you
know,
my
son
is
a
starting
pitcher
on
the
deland
high
baseball
team.
Apopka
did
prevail
11-1.
My
son
started
the
quarterfinal
game,
which
was
on
monday
night
against
ocala
westport,
where
we
actually
won.
So,
at
least
I
can
say
my
son
got
us
to
that
game,
but
based
on
what
the
current
florida
high
school
baseball
playoff
rules,
there
is
still
an
outside
chance
that
the
land
qualifies
as
a
wild
card.
U
There
were
some
crucial
losses
in
district
one
up
in
jacksonville,
which
kind
of
catapulted
the
land
up
into
a
potential
seven
or
eight
seed.
So
my
son
could
wipe
off
his
tears
from
what
he
thought
was
his
last
high
school
game
last
night
to
probably
one
more
game,
so
we'll
see
how
that
goes.
Awesome.
Thank
you.
A
Done,
I
probably
should
do
more
of
it,
but
I
want
to
just
kind
of
give
you
stacy
who's,
my
assistant,
she's,
probably
already
asleep
by
now,
but
as
long
as
we've
gone,
but
just
to
let
you
know
that
she
was
in
charge
of
putting
all
the
things
together
for
the
league
of
cities,
luncheon
helping
with
the
inauguration
getting
that
all
put
together.
The
foliage
festival
making
sure
all
those
the
dignitaries
were
invited
and
also
was
helping
put
the
dignitaries
together
for
the
mayor's
prayer
breakfast.
So
big
shout
out
to
stacy.
A
She
she's
worked
hard,
the
last
last
three
or
four
weeks
so
yeah.
She
deserves
big
kudos.
So
you
know,
if
you
see
her,
you
know
give
her
a
pat
on
the
back
and
got
mr
nest
up
and
running
and.
A
We're
I'm
excited
for
and
then
last
but
not
least,
always
loves.
You
know
in
with
a
good
new
good
note,
was
it
june
14
for
mr
smith?
A
F
Into
the
ffa
state
hall
of
fame,
we
were
not
able
to
do
it
previously,
because
the
copic
is
on
june
14th.
I
will
be
officially
inducted
into
the
ffa
hall
of
fame
wow.