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From YouTube: Apopka City Council Meeting September 6, 2023
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Apopka City Council Meeting at City Hall on September 6, 2023 at 1:30 PM. To view the meeting agenda visit: https://www.apopka.gov/agenda
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A
B
B
In
coordination
for
South
Vietnamese,
first
Infantry
Division
initiates
operation,
Jeffrey
Glenn
in
two
Thin
Providence
west
of
Hugh.
This
operation
lasted
until
October
1971
and
was
one
of
the
last
major.
Large-Scale
military
operations
in
U.S
ground
forces
would
take
past
during
the
Vietnam
war.
Oh
for
the
day,.
H
H
H
Okay,
so
on,
and
it
was
in
reference
to
the
during
Council
reports
that
a
mayor's
report-
actually
it
said
that
during
the
recording
it
said
that
we're
going
to
have
a
shade
meeting
this
meeting
and
then
somehow
on
the
minutes
it
had
said,
the
shade
meeting
is
going
to
be
September
20th,
so
not
sure
how
that
happened.
Jeffrey.
F
H
G
K
A
J
M
Start
yeah
greetings,
everybody
I'm,
Bev,
weinsberg,
1303,
Hillway,
Road,
Apopka,
Florida
32703,
since
you
folks
have
not
had
the
experience
of
conducting
a
county
or
a
city,
Charter
review
a
thought
that
I
would
be
saving
helping
you
a
little
bit
with
my
personal
experiences,
because
I
have
a
lot
of
history
in
it.
I'm
appointed
by
Orange
County
Commissioner
as
one
of
15
citizens
to
conduct
the
current
County
Charter
mandated
review
the
review
commenced
in
February.
M
It's
a
committee
phase
to
finalize
any
initiatives
for
the
November
2024
ballot,
18,
full
meetings,
20
committee
meetings,
five
topic,
research
committees,
125
total
hours.
The
chair
appointed
me
to
the
governmental
structure
and
expansion
committee,
where
we
are
researching
existing
Florida
governments,
term
limits
costing
of
expanding
to
more
elected
Commissioners
elections
by
District,
at-large
elected
Commissioners
and
the
costs
and
physical
facility
needs
required
to
capacitate
expansion.
M
Every
initiative
must
have
costing
attached
during
my
career
as
a
Communications
professional.
My
clients
included
Seven
Cities
property,
appraisers
supervisors
of
Elections
sheriffs
school
boards,
U.S
congressmen
and
the
Orlando
Samford
International
Airport
I
served
seven
state
county
and
City
appointed
boards
I've
been.
M
However,
your
current
self-initiated
plan,
dedicating
just
six
hours
over
three
months
of
a
divided
Council,
run
review
bypassing
citizen
participation
until
the
initiatives
are
totally
written
as
not
a
proper
Charter
review.
It's
on
social
media
that
there's
a
plan
being
crafted
for
an
unmandated
government
cabal
at
the
Orange
County
Charter
review
meetings.
I
just
have
to
tell
you.
We've
enjoyed
hundreds
of
input
from
the
community
and
22
topics
presented
for
consideration.
We
have
a
charter
review
meeting
Monday
night
at
Wekiva,
High
School
at
six
o'clock
and
I
invite
all
of
you
to
attend.
M
So,
yes,
let's
do
a
charter
review.
Let's
give
you
an
appointed
Charter
review
commission
that
will
have
nine
months
to
propose
their
initiatives,
complete
with
costing
analysis
for
the
August
or
November
2024
ballots.
Each
of
you
can
appoint
to
representatives
to
display
your
point
of
view
and
you
can
get
a
budget
to
get
an
outside
attorney.
That
knows
what
they're
doing
to
keep
you
out
of
the
courts
and
keep
you
safe
with
the
state.
N
Hi
good
afternoon,
I'm
Rebecca
I
live
in
the
Lakeside
Community.
Just
like
right
back
over
here
and
last
Thursday
night
about
10
45,
we
had
an
emergency
situation
that
shut
down
the
road,
the
overpass
over
451
that
shut
down
John's
Road.
That's,
basically
our
only
entrance
and
exit
into
our
neighborhood
and
I
say
basically,
because
we
have
an
emergency
exit,
an
entrance
that
we
share
with
the
neighborhood
behind
us
Breckenridge,
but
it
took
us
almost
three
hours
to
try
to
find
the
right
people
to
get
us
into
that
gate.
Back
there.
N
We
have
a
lot
of
concerned
neighbors
right
now.
This
is
like
I
guess
a
best
case,
emergency
situation
for
us,
because
none
of
us
were
dying
to
get
in
or
out
of
our
neighborhood.
That
night.
Something
was
happening
on
the
bridge,
not
with
us,
but
we're
really
concerned
that
if
we
don't
have
the
right
help
from
Emergency
Management
or
fire,
whoever
it
might
be
to
get
us
in
and
out
of
our
back
gate.
N
A
F
G
L
L
My
name
is
Gary,
McSweeney
and
I'm
here
today,
with
in
my
capacity
as
Rock
Springs
Ridge
HOA
director,
to
provide
you
with
an
update
of
the
nearly
completed
land
acquisition
process,
the
HOA
board
presented
a
unique
and
compelling
land
exchange
agreement
to
our
membership
last
week.
That
was
both
informative
and
well
received
before
it
was
unanimously
approved
by
the
board.
L
Excuse
me,
among
other
stipulations,
it
also
includes
the
following
benefits:
benefit
one
18-hole
Links
Golf
Course
proposed
development
of
this
new
of
this
new
18-hole
7000
yard
power.
72
public
golf
course
is
currently
under
design
by
illinois-based
essler
golf
designs.
Llc
design
features
also
include
an
instructional
Golf
Academy,
a
nine
hole,
Par
3,
Executive,
Golf,
Course
driving
range
practice
screens
and
multiple
T,
but
t-boxes
for
each
Fairway
once
completed
this
reimagined
public
golf
course
will
be
the
only
operating
golf
course
in
Apopka
benefit.
L
Two
fine
dining
restaurant
proposed
development
of
a
new
restaurant
will
be
located
in
the
soon
to
be
renovated,
Tavern,
building
and
grounds.
This
restaurant
will
be
owned
and
operated
by
a
renowned
renowned
local
restaurateur,
who
has
successfully
establishes
restaurants
as
among
the
best
in
Central
Florida.
L
Negotiations
are
continuing
to
provide
for
their
long-term
Presence
at
Rock,
Springs
Ridge
and
the
benefit
three
gopher
tortoise.
Conservation
Area
proposed
development
for
a
new
82
acre
fish
and
wildlife,
compliant
Conservation,
Area,
located
and
accessible.
Only
from
and
within
the
boundaries
of
Rock
Springs
Ridge,
the
1320
Rock
Springs
Ridge
Homeowners
can
then
provide
for
the
safe
and
protected
tortoise
environment
that
is
free
from
adverse
outside
influences.
The
existing
Kelly
Park
Road
habitat,
however,
provides
uncontrolled
access
and
neither
safety
nor
protection
for
tortoises
resident
in
that
Conservation
Area.
L
They
must
rely
on
a
voice
of
others,
Rock
Springs
Ridge.
To
advocate
for
their
relocation
effort
on
their
behalf,
fish
and
wildlife,
will
this
week
be
completing
their
site.
Investigations
of
our
82-acre
site,
approved
for
approval
once
approved.
Our
proposal
for
a
new
habitat
will
be
prepared
compliant
with
fish
and
wildlife
gopher
tortoise
guidelines
and
will
be
complete,
completed
at
no
cost
to
either
the
city
or
the
state.
L
Rock
Springs
Ridge
will
donate
the
82
Acres
of
approved
lands
for
this
habitat
and
the
golf
club
will
fund
prepare
the
site,
implement
the
improvements
and
relate
relocate
the
tortoises
according
to
fish
and
wildlife
relocation
management
procedures.
The
tortoises
will
then
thrive
in
this
new
environment.
L
In
summary,
the
development
team
has
navigated
through
many
events
and
discussions
over
the
past
three
years,
and
we
have
targeted
March
1st
2024
as
a
closing
date
for
this
approved
exchange.
We
all
asked
for
city
and
state
approved
the
support
in
approving
these
plans,
which
have
been
prepared
around
the
best
interests
of
our
community
approval
will
prevent
Rock
Springs
rates
to
implement
our
vision
for
significantly
improved
and
sustained
Community
for
a
long
time,
a
long
period
of
time
and
well
into
the
future
I.
Thank
you
for
your
support.
P
P
Second,
I
want
to
talk
about
the
audit.
We
need
a
forensic
audience
simply
because
this
money
passed
through
this
Administration
hands
that
we
don't
know
where
it's
at
with
the
signal
boxes
with
the
advertising
over
twenty
five
thousand
dollars
have
came
in
on
a
contract
that
was
signed
two
years
after
it
started.
P
Secondly,
back
in
1997
with
the
sale
of
the
muck
they
sold
equipment
and
it
was
a
tune
of
one
million.
1.3
million
came
to
the
city
three-point,
something
was
spent,
one
point
one
million
was
put
in
the
bank
somewhere
and
it
still
floating
around
in
the
city
somewhere,
and
we
don't
seem
to
know
where
it's
at
so
I
think
we
need
a
forensic
audit,
Charter
review.
Yes,
we
do
need
a
charter
review
and
we
need
it,
and
this
young
lady
just
got
up
and
spoke
about
it.
P
I
understand
that
we
was
trying
to
do
something
before
to
put
it
on
the
ballot.
But
after
thinking
about
it,
just
look
what
just
happened
in
the
past
few
days
on
this
proposal,
this
proposal
went
to
everybody
and
even
in
South
Apopka
to
the
customers
that
use
City,
Water,
saying
that
we
would
pay
in
the
county
20
percent
higher
than
what
it
is
well
when
it
come
back,
it
come
back
as
a
mistake.
P
It's
always
a
mistake
when
you
get
caught
this
time,
it's
time
to
end
it
sofa
so
in
the
charter
review,
I,
think,
along
with
the
audit
and
everything
we
need
to
Annex
South
Apopka.
It's
time,
I
understand
today
that
we're
going
to
be
putting
somebody
coming
up
by
the
hospital.
This
gentleman
just
got
up
and
talked
about
a
fine
dining
up
in
Rock
Spring
Ridge
you
making
money
of
soccer
Parker.
P
The
only
thing
you're
doing
is
putting
down
docs
medical
waste
down
there
with
these
people
at
jacking
up
prices
on
them
for
your
services.
It's
about
time.
Yes,
we
do
need
to
have
a
conversation
and
the
big
conversation
is
these
ministers
in
South
Apopka,
these
so-called
leaders
in
South,
Apopka
spoon
feeding
this
Administration
to
these
people
over
here
anytime.
This
Administration
go
to
soccer
Apopka.
What
do
you
bring
promises?
Q
R
R
R
R
R
R
Q
Q
S
Good
afternoon,
mayor
Commissioners,
Sylvester,
Hall,
Rock,
Springs
Ridge
I
want
to
go
back
to
what
I
always
start
off
with
our
country,
the
city
of
Apopka,
the
State
of
Florida
and
our
country.
It's
International
crisis,
it's
International
crisis,
because
too
many
good
people
sitting
in
this
room
watching
bad
things
happen
and
refuse
to
gear
up
and
say
anything
about
it,
whether
it's
fear
what
is
retaliation
of
your
job
or
just
to
grow
along
to
get
along,
but
your
kids,
your
grandkids,
they
deserve
better.
S
Let
me
give
you
a
prime
example
in
that
everybody
got
up
and
we
stood
up
for
the
pledge.
We
said
one
nation
under
God,
indivisible
with
liberty
and
justice
for
all,
that's
Allah,
because
that's
not
true,
we're
living
it
today
and
we're
experiencing
it
today.
But
we
all
said
like
it's
true,
so
we
don't
desensitize
the
truth
and
some
of
us
don't
even
care
about
the
truth.
S
S
We
have
people
scared
to
ask
the
mayor
for
the
150
000
that
was
previously
earmarked
for
some
reason
or
another.
They
scared.
They
ask
the
mirror.
You
ain't
gonna,
have
people
even
speak
up
and
say?
Well,
we
don't
want
this
city
to
help
out
and
I
said
these.
Are
your
tax
paying
dollars?
What
do
you
want
your
tax
paying
dollars
to
do.
S
So
I
would
sincerely
hope.
Commissioner,
the
last
question
was
there
for
both
meetings.
Somebody
make
a
motion
to
earmark
that
hundred
and
fifty
thousand
dollars
to
go
for
the
arc
for
the
homeless
for
the
homeless,
nothing
else
Arc
for
the
homeless.
Now
we
have
that
board,
which
the
mayor
sits
on
the
homeless
board.
S
S
S
From
Rock
Springs
Ridge,
he
don't
left
so
I
won't
even
mention
his
name,
but
there's
a
lot
of
the
homeowners
who
don't
feel
that
way
about
the
property
they're
talking
about
proposing
and
I.
Don't
have
enough
time
to
go
into
it
now
but
stay
tuned
for
future.
We
have
a
lot
of
homeowners
that
are
dead,
set
against
that
and
now
you
know
because
you're
the
first
one
to
start
campaigning
this
on
me
last
year.
S
T
Michael
Cooper
700
Jim,
Commerce,
Court
Apopka,
a
couple
of
things
here.
First
turn
signal
at
441
and
Bradshaw
I
traveled
the
road
almost
every
day.
Why
don't?
We
have
a
turn
signal
there
and
mayor?
Please
don't
get
back
with
me
or
the
council
get
back
with
me.
Tell
me
you
get
back
with
me.
I
want
to
have
an
answer
now.
What
you're
going
to
do
I
mean
that's
going
to
be
a
that's
a
tragedy
accident
looking
for
a
place
to
happen
so
I,
don't
know
why
we
haven't
got
a
turn
signal
there.
U
We
asked
dot
three
years
ago
for
that
and
they
said
it
didn't
warrant.
Then,
when
he
said
what,
if
we
fixed
it,
they
said:
okay,
sure
you
can
do
it
and
then
they
decided
to
do
their
Triple
R
project
and
they
didn't
want
us
in
the
corridor
when
they
were
working.
An
unintended
consequence
of
those
medians
is
that
everyone's
coming
to
the
the
intersection.
Now
we
have
an
interim
fix.
U
U
T
T
A
G
A
T
G
T
T
Well,
you
can't
walk
on
the
sidewalk
because
Randall's
side
walked
there,
so
they
asked
if
why
can't
we
get
to
sidewalk
finish
at
the
retention
Pond
down
at
the
north
side
of
Songbird
way
in
April
Lane,
it's
paid
for
we
put,
we
had
to
put
one
in
when
we
built
the
houses.
So
why
doesn't
somebody
pick
up
the
tab
and
put
the
sidewalk
in
around
the
retention?
Point
retention.
Pond
belongs
to
the
city
answer.
G
T
I
had
a
meeting
this
morning
with
DRC,
and
one
of
the
items
that
came
up
on
my
behalf
was
that
we
had
to
do
a
traffic
study
for
a
small
project,
we're
doing
on
Hawthorne
and
4th
Street.
It's
in
the
MD
mud
and
I
complained
about
it,
because
the
fact
is
that
the
traffic
study
does
no
good
if
it
did
so
much
good.
How
come
that,
we
don't
have
Binion
wrote
a
four-lane
road.
How
come
we
don't
have
Martin
wrote
a
four-lane
road?
T
How
come
we
don't
have
Boy
Scout
Road,
a
four-lane
road
and
how
come
we're
just
we're
four
or
five
years
from
getting
okoya
papka
Road
done
I,
don't
understand
that
I
was
also
told
at
the
meeting
this
morning
that
the
city
has
50
million
dollars
if
they
have
50
million
dollars.
Let
the
public
know
where
all
this
money's
going
what
roads
are
being
repaired.
We
don't
know
that
what
plan
do
you
have
to
spend
50
million
dollars
where's
the
money
coming
from?
Is
it
coming
from
taxpayers?
T
So
I
mean
these
are
questions
that
I
think
need
to
be
answered
and
when
I
went
out
to
a
nursery
the
other
day,
I
couldn't
believe
what
I
saw
have
any
of
you.
People
really
gone
out
to
Binion
Road
and
Boy
Scout,
Road
and
Oakland.
That
is
horrible.
What
are
you
gonna
do
with
all
those
kids
you're
talking
at
least
2500
homes
and
apartments
and
Condominiums
and
you've
got
no
plan.
Your
traffic
already
is
a
nightmare,
but
I
didn't
come
to
talk
about
that,
but
my
problem
was
with
the
DRC
meeting
this
morning.
T
When
they
either
told
me
it's
my
way
or
hit
the
highway
Cooper,
you
won't
get
a
permit.
Unless
you
do
what
we
say.
That's
right.
The
the
development
code
does
not
indicate
that
I
have
to
pay
for
a
traffic
report
on
that.
It
doesn't
say
that
in
writing,
but
your
people
are
saying
staff
is
telling
me
that
I
must
do
it
or
you
won't
get
a
permit
and
they're
telling
me
that
they
need
to
have
this
for
a
future.
Well
very
much
future
going
to
happen
on
4th
Street
in
Hawthorne.
T
T
Putting
in
a
couple
of
turn,
Lanes
well
I'm,
going
to
tell
you
you
guys
going
to
have
a
major
problem
when
everybody
starts
complaining
about,
they
can't
travel
the
roads
because
there's
no
room
and
you're
going
to
have
wrecks
and
Mr
McKinley,
the
chief
better,
get
together
all
his
people,
because
the
wrecks
are
coming.
It's
just
around
the
corner.
V
Hi
Susan
Collins,
6210,
Red,
Oak,
Court
I
live
down
there
by
Florida
Mall
off
of
Oak
Ridge
I
am
one
of
five
board
members
elected
in
the
22
2022
elections
for
Orange,
County,
Soil
and
Water.
If
you
want
to
know
what
we're
about
you
can
read
the
statue
Florida
statue
582.
it's
long
and
boring,
but
it's
called
Orange
County,
Soil
and
Water
Conservation
District,
but
I'm
not
here
to
talk
about
anything
like
that.
Four
of
the
five
of
us
are
brand
new,
and
so
this
year
we
have
concentrated
on.
G
V
We
have
a
website
if
I
could
give
you
my
card
just
before.
I
am
so
impressed
that
the
residents
of
Apopka
are
so
engaged
and
involved.
It
just
really
stuns
me,
because
I've
been
to
a
few
other
City
board
meetings
where
maybe
one
or
two
people
show
up,
and
you
have
a
full
house
here-
a
really
engaged
citizens
and
I'm
really
impressed
by
that
I
came,
bringing
a
gift,
I
didn't
know
there
was
going
to
be
so
many
people
I
would
have
brought
some
more.
It
is.
V
D
M
X
Albert
McKinney
3603
golden
gem
wrote
Apopka
good
afternoon
Commissioners
good
afternoon
mayor
good
afternoon.
Ladies
and
gentlemen,
Law
and
Order
can
only
exist
when
those
affected
by
it
respected
and
submit
to
its
values.
Our
youth
will
only
come
to
accept
it
based
on
the
example
of
those
who
Inspire
or
Mentor
them.
The
leadership
and
administration
in
the
city
are
particularly
to
blame
as
to
why
there
is
little
or
no
respect
for
the
rule
of
law
nevermind,
who
has
been
censored
as
a
liar
who
blatantly
disrespects
the
loss
of
life
who
laughed
when
asked.
X
If
he
had
read
the
preliminary
Gannon
report
into
the
death
of
Austin
Duran,
who
failed
the
10
Civic
functions
in
order
to
pay
respect
to
Austin
a
mayor
who
criticizes
public
Behavior
at
meetings
but
is
unable
to
control
his
own
behavior
being
disrespectful
or
just
falling
asleep.
He
feels
to
hold
his
subordinates
accountable
when
they
behave
disrespectfully
to
the
Commissioners.
He
failed
to
apologize
to
a
member
of
the
public
when
requested
to
do
so.
His
most
recent
comments,
directed
towards
near
a
public
meeting,
was
to
go
back
and
sit
in
my
corner.
X
Is
it
Small
Wonder?
We
are
now
seeing
graveyards
shot
up
and
numerous
windows
and
buildings
being
boarded
up
after
shots
fired
and
where
he
was
indignant
when
commissioner
Nesta
suggested
his
supporters
might
be
behind
threats
being
made
now,
allegedly
his
former
campaign
managers
behind
some
of
those
threats
shouldn't
hold
a
police
chief,
more
accountable,
in
my
opinion,
he's
polite
and
always
well
prepared
at
City
Hall
meetings
and
to
be
fair,
the
police
only
investigate
they
do
not
choose
you
to
prosecute.
X
X
Someone
is
murdered,
who
have
the
kids
for
them?
Who
is
their
voice?
I
hear
so
little
that
I'm
beginning
to
get
concerned.
That
I
must
be
deaf
or
is
it
we
only
appearing
things
are
whispered
about
behind
closed
doors,
young
men
and
women
found
dead
near
dumpsters,
no
name
no
face
nor
any
form
of
recognition
to
say
we
lost
another
son,
a
daughter,
brother
or
sister
to
drug
related
or
con
gun
crime
in
this
city
Apopka.
X
Our
reaction
in
response
to
crime
is
not
commensurate
with
respect
to
the
effect
it's
having
on
our
community
and
we
must
accept
responsibility
to
becoming
desensitized
to
it
accountable.
They
must
start
here
at
City
Hall.
We
must
Embrace
a
full
forensic
audit
of
All
City
businesses
in
2018,
for
example,
line
items
and
budgets
of
2020
and
2021
show
the
purchase
of
aviation
fuel
150,
000
gallons,
but
there's
no
line
item
showing
where
the
revenue
from
the
seal
went
so
in
as
much
as
a
forensic
audit,
but
also
help
us
decide
on
accounting
practices.
X
We
respectfully
ask
our
commissioners
to
evaluate
City
practices
and
policies
and
to
look
carefully
in
New
City
Charter,
which
will
sit
in
make
the
city
more
accountable.
Doctor
will
mention
the
fact
that
we're
not
being
given
public
records
for
six
months,
we've
been
asking
for
public
records,
which
apparently
thank
you.
A
G
G
Y
Y
Subject:
property
has
a
future
land
use
designation
of
commercial
and
within
the
CR
Regional
commercial
zoning
District
common
code,
section
10.4
defines
hospital
as
an
institution
receive
receiving
inpatients
and
rendering
Medical
Care
on
the
24-hour
a
day
basis.
The
term
include
General
hospitals
and
special
field
institutions
such
as
and
not
limited
to
cardiac
pediatric
orthopedic,
skin
mental
and
chronic
disease.
Y
The
applicant
is
proposing
a
total
of
162
parking
spaces
plus
six
accessible
spaces.
The
maximum
permitted
building
high
is
35
feet.
There
will
be
security.
Walls
along
sections
of
the
perimeter
that
are
attached
to
the
building
the
site
is
wooden.
Has
a
wetland
area
on
the
Eastern
portion
of
the
property
that
will
remain
untouched.
The
landscape
plan
proposes
a
combination
of
Oak
Magnolia
and
bald
cypress
trees
within
landscape
parking
islands
and
the
perimeter
of
the
project
area.
Y
Y
Crcu
recommends
approval
at
its
meeting
in
July
11
2023
Planning
Commission
voted
three
to
one
to
recommend
approval
of
the
Acadia
Orlando
Health
major
development
plan.
Subject
to
the
findings
of
the
staff
report,
the
recommended
motion
is
to
approve
that
Cadia
Orlando
health,
mdp
staff
and
applicant
are
available
for
questions.
D
Well,
I
just
want
to
ex
parte,
because
I
did
speak
with
them
on
Friday
August
25th,
and
it
was
basically
that
they
went
over
their
site
plan
and
basically
to
discuss
the
community
meeting
that
they
had
with
their
neighbors
where
these
their
intent
to
build,
and
there
was
some
concerns,
but
my
understanding
is
that
they
have
since
satisfied
their
neighbor
with.
You
know
this
Behavioral
Center,
because
there
was
some
concerns
with
that.
So
I
did
have
a
meeting
with
the
staff
from
the
Acadia
Orlando
Health.
J
AA
Good
music
startle
you
I
apologize
good
afternoon.
My
name
is
Dr
Jeffrey
Woods
I'm,
an
operations
group
president
with
Acadia
Healthcare,
and
very
pleased
to
have
an
opportunity
to
speak
with
all
of
you
today
and
share
our
vision
for
a
new
hospital
for
Apopka
and
the
region
to
support
the
needs
for
behavioral
health
and
substance
use
disorder.
Services.
During
the
course
of
this
presentation,
we
are
going
to
should
I.
Do
this
correctly,
oh
wrong
way!
Sorry
about
that!
There
we
go,
there's
a
view
of
the
outside
of
the
hospital.
During
the
course.
AA
This
presentation,
we
will
spend
some
time
going
over
a
summary
of
the
project,
a
site
and
building
overview.
We
have
our
Architects
and
Engineers
with
us
and
they
will
provide
you
some
additional
detail
with
respect
to
those
areas
and
then,
of
course,
time
for
questions
and
answers
with
me.
Today.
I
have
Greg
owie,
who
is
a
senior
vice
president
with
Orlando
Health
Cortez
Watley,
who
is
the
manager
of
local
government
affairs
with
Orlando
Health
myself
as
I
previously
introduced
Adam
crunk
our
project
engineer
and
Chip
hill,
our
project
architect?
AB
Good
afternoon
again,
I'm
Greg
OE
I'm,
with
Orlando
Health
as
a
senior
vice
president
for
ambulatory
and
Post
Acute
division
in
2020,
Orlando
Health
looked
at
our
Behavioral
Health
capabilities
and
said
really.
It
was
inadequate
to
support
the
ongoing
needs
of
our
community.
So
we
made
a
decision
to
partner
with
somebody
who
had
expertise,
had
expertise
in
in
the
area
of
Behavioral
Health,
and
it
really
was
made
primarily
to
expedite
our
progress
in
this
area.
AB
We
looked
at
and
interviewed
top
Regional
as
well
as
National
companies,
and
we
made
a
decision
to
go
with
Acadia,
principally
for
three
reasons.
The
first
is
they
had
multiple
joint
venture
arrangements
with
large
Health
Care
Systems
across
the
country.
Second,
their
size
allowed
them
to
bring
expertise
regardless
of
the
subject
in
Behavioral
Health
that
we
may
need,
and
then
finally,
and
perhaps
most
importantly,
is
their
mission
and
our
mission,
the
mission
of
Orlando
Health
aligned
in
terms
of
providing
outstanding
care
to
to
our
patients.
AB
So
in
December
of
2021
we
formed
that
joint
venture
and
began
our
planning
efforts
to
to
create
a
new
Behavioral
Health
Hospital,
moving
the
beds
from
the
Lawnwood
wood
area
at
South,
Sim
Hospital
again.
The
partnership
here
is
for
us
to
increase
access
for
behavioral
health
patients
that
we
routinely
see
through
the
Orlando
Health
Network.
AB
AB
Undoubtedly,
we
all
know
someone
who
suffers
from
a
behavioral
health
issue,
and
so
let
me
go
through
just
a
few
numbers
quickly.
You
can
see
the
first
bullet
point
there.
One
in
five
adults
have
a
mental
health
need
for
the
State
of
Florida.
That
represents
2.4
million
patients,
one
in
ten.
We
poured
poor
mental
health
for
14
or
more
days
in
the
past
30
days.
AB
AB
AA
Thank
you,
Greg
I
appreciate
that
a
little
bit
of
background
on
myself
I
came
to
behavioral
health
about
30
years
ago,
and
that's
after
having
served
eight
years
as
a
commissioned
officer
in
the
United
States
Army
and
the
work
that
I
did
in
the
United.
States
Army
was
very
challenging
work
and,
as
you
can
imagine,
being
overseas
and
all
of
the
things
that
go
along
with
that
type
of
deployment
that
type
of
of
service.
When
I
came
back,
what
I
discovered
was
there
was
almost
no
Services.
AA
There
were
almost
no
access
points
for
care
for
individuals
who
have
either
psychiatric
an
emotional
or
a
substance,
use
disorder,
problem
and
so
I
went
to
graduate
school
and
I
thought
I'm
going
to
try
to
solve
for
this
problem.
So
I'm
very
passionate
about
this,
and
hopefully
that
will
come
through
a
little
bit
in
the
presentation.
AA
I
also
wanted
to
mention
that,
with
respect
to
Orlando
Health,
when
we
choose
a
partner
as
Acadia,
one
of
the
things
that
we
look
for
in
addition
to
the
alignment
of
values
is
a
way
in
which
we
can
contribute
to
the
larger
ecosystem
of
mental
health
and
substance
use
services
within
a
broader
community,
and
so
our
services
will
not
be
limited
exclusively
to
the
four
walls
of
the
hospital,
but
rather
those
things
that
we
can
do
outside
in
the
community.
I'm
going
the
wrong
way
again.
AA
Sorry
about
that
in
order
to
reach
people
where
they
are
and
bring
mental
health
and
substance
abuse
services
to
them.
So
I
want
to
talk
a
little
bit
about
the
patients
that
we
treat
and
I
want
to
talk
a
little
bit
about
the
patients
that
we
don't
treat.
Who
are
they?
The
patients
that
we
treat
very
simply
stated?
They
are
your
family
members.
They
are
our
loved
ones.
They
are
our
friends.
AA
AA
Our
senior
population,
individuals
who
are
suffering
from
either
mood
or
thought
disorders,
which
is
not
uncommon
with
seniors
who
are
dealing
with
depression
and
anxiety
and
loss
and
grief
and
all
of
those
types
of
issues,
but
also
seniors
who
are
dealing
with
mild
to
moderate
neurocognitive
decline.
Individuals
who
are
going
through
those
early
stages
where
things
are
different
for
them
and
through
medication,
therapy
and
supportive
work,
we're
able
to
help,
restore
and
prolong
the
quality
of
life
for
seniors
on
a
very
significant
basis.
AA
Dual
diagnosis
and
substance,
use
disorder,
so
Detox
Services
for
individuals
who
have
a
primary
substance,
use
disorder
or
more
commonly.
What
we
see
is
the
co-occurring
event,
where
an
individual
has
a
psychiatric
condition
like
depression
or
anxiety,
but
they
are
self-medicating
with
with
alcohol,
drugs,
opioids,
benzos,
benzodiazepines,
all
those
types
of
things,
so
we're
able
to
take
care
of
both
of
those
conditions
simultaneously
in
the
hospital
and
then
Child
and
Adolescent
Behavioral
Health
and
Child
and
Adolescent
Behavioral
Health,
dealing
primarily
with
youth,
who
have
been
traumatized,
who
have
dealt
with
very
difficult.
AA
And
one
of
the
areas
that
keeps
coming
up
for
us
repeatedly,
which
is
super
important
and
something
I'm
very
passionate
about
it
as
well,
is
the
perinatal
care,
pre-postpartum,
depression,
pre-postpartum,
psychosis,
free,
postpartum,
substance
use
disorder,
the
issues
that
are
attended,
sometimes
with
the
mom
and
baby
bonding
issues,
the
attachment
related
issues
and
being
able
to
help
that
family
system
come
back
together.
So
looking
at
programs
like
that
as
well,
we
also
do
programs
or
provide
programs
for
patients
who
have
intellectual
and
developmental
disabilities.
AA
So
some
creative
things
and
we'll
look
for
feedback
from
all
members
of
the
community
on
where
they
believe
there's
the
greatest
opportunity
for
intentional
impact.
Now
on
the
subject
who
our
patients
are
not,
we
are
not
a
forensic
facility,
so
we
are
not
a
jail.
We
are
not
taking
patients
who
are
incarcerated.
We
are
not
taking
patients
who
are
known
to
have
a
violent
sexual
history,
including
that
abuse
of
children.
AA
We
have
databases
and
resources,
so
we're
able
to
pre-screen
every
patient
before
they're
admitted
to
understand
whether
they
are
going
to
meet
our
criteria
or
not.
But
I
do
want
to
make
clear
that
we're
not
a
we're,
not
a
facility
for
the
criminally
insane
in
the
patient
population.
We
treat
is
exactly
what
I
described
to
you
in
terms
of
family
friends,
neighbors
people
that
you
know
and
I
suspect.
If
I
ask
the
question
in
this
room,
every
every
hand
or
most
hands
would
go
up.
AA
So
when
we
think
about
the
services
it'll
be
provided
in
this
hospital
and
I
will
you'll
see
some
additional
pictures,
but
a
lot
of
emphasis
on
high
quality,
really
state-of-the-art
facility,
that
is
high,
finishes
Wide
Open,
Spaces
tall
ceilings,
lots
of
natural
light,
but
also
a
very
secure
envelope.
When
you
enter
the
hospital,
it
is
a
electronic
badge
access
at
every
interval
within
the
circles
of
the
hospital,
so
that
only
staff
members
who
are
wearing
The
Wristband
that
allows
them
access
are
able
to
get
into
these
different
compartments
of
the
hospital
patients.
AA
AA
It
also
goes
to
the
central
nurse
station
on
each
unit
to
say:
John
Smith
is
in
another
patient's
room
and
he's
not
supposed
to
be
there,
and
so
we
can
immediately
respond.
It
also
shows
signs
of
life.
So
we
know
if
a
person
is
doing
something
that
is
causing
they're
either
having
a
medical
emergency.
You
know
these
things
do
happen,
even
Behavioral
Health
hospitals.
Somebody
may
have
a
cardiac
event
or
something
like
that.
AA
We
get
immediate
feedback
on
Vital
Signs
and
we
know
that
there's
been
a
change
of
condition,
so
we
can
medically
respond
to
those
patients
as
well.
So
lots
of
lots
of
very
sophisticated
security
features
lots
of
very
sophisticated
use
of
Technologies
to
make
sure
the
patient's
experience
is
is
is
dignified
that
we're
respectful
of
that
human
being
that
we're
treating
the
whole
person
mind
body
and
spirit.
AA
So,
in
addition
to
all
of
the
you
know,
Psychiatric
Services
that
going
to
receive
comprehensive,
Medical
Services
while
they
are
with
us,
so
we're
going
to
be
taking
care
of
the
history
and
physical
examination.
Any
follow-up,
medical
care,
that's
required.
That's
within
our
scope
and
capabilities
will
be
provided
at
our
hospital,
or
we
will
coordinate
back
with
our
partner
hospitals
in
the
community
to
provide
those
higher
level
Medical
Services.
If
those
on
rare
occasion
become
necessary.
AA
We
do
not
have
an
emergency
department
in
this
hospital,
but
we
do
have
what's
called
an
intake
and
assessment
Department
which,
under
the
centers
for
Medicare
Medicaid
services,
essentially
qualifies
as
a
dedicated
emergency
department.
So
every
patient
receives
a
medical
screening
examination
on
admission,
as
well
as
a
psychiatric
screening
examination.
We
are
a
non-siren
facility,
so
there
will
not
be
ambulances
coming
in
with
lights
and
Sirens
or
leaving
with
lights
and
Sirens.
AA
When
they're
discharged-
and
this
is
super
important
when
they're
discharged
it's-
we-
we
employ
a
safe
discharge
plan,
which
means
that
every
patient
has
a
specific
place,
that
they
are
going
upon
discharge
and
in
most
cases,
that's
going
to
be
home
with
their
family.
Sometimes
it
may
be
to
a
Skilled
Nursing
Facility
if
their
level
of
care
requires
that,
but
these
patients
will
be
either
transported
by
a
commercial
vehicle
that
we
contract
with
or
by
the
hospital
directly.
AA
No
patient
is
ever
discharged
from
the
hospital
at
the
front
door
of
the
hospital
and
told
thank
you
very
much
have
a
good
day
that
we
get
them
where
they
need
to
be
for
the
next
level
of
care
to
make
sure
that
they're
safe
and
that
there's
a
comprehensive
handoff.
So
the
next
provider
knows
what
to
do
to
pick
up
the
care
and
continue
on
and
for
certain
patients
who
are
deemed
to
danger
to
themselves
or
others.
They
may
be
subject
to
involuntary
treatment
under
the
Baker
Act
or
the
Marchman
act.
AA
This
Hospital,
like
all
psychiatric
hospitals,
will
participate
in
that
and
we're
very
grateful
that
we
have
Chief
McKinley
here
today.
We've
had
an
opportunity
to
review
our
safety
plans
with
he
and
the
fire
marshal
over
the
last
couple
of
months,
and
we
will
be
continuing
to
review
those
plans
with
the
chief
and
his
staff
as
this
Hospital
goes
through
construction
and
pre-opening
and
and
after
opening,
so
that
they
understand
what
we're
planning
to
do
and
and
we
welcome
their
feedback
into
that
process.
And
it's
been
a
really
rich
and
exceptional
conversation.
P
T
AB
So,
as
you
know,
Orlando
Health
has
been
in
the
community
for
over
great
for
greater
than
100
years
and
throughout
that
entire
time,
we
believe
in
partnering
with
the
community.
Each
of
our
acute
care
hospitals
have
robust
programs
where
they
are
highly
involved
with
the
community
and
principally
for
the
the
one
sole
reason,
which
is,
we
think
it
makes
for
a
better
Orlando
Health
with
Behavioral
Health.
We
have
three
bullets
here,
just
to
give
you
some
sense
of
the
programs
that
that
we
intend,
but
there
will
be
more.
AB
We
also
have
contemplated
veterans
and
Military
Outreach
programs
as
well,
and
then
finally,
as
was
just
previously
mentioned,
we,
we
will
continue
to
establish
a
close
relationship
with
law
enforcement,
crisis
teams,
house
houses
of
worship,
as
well
as
other
Community,
Mental,
Health
Services,
for
opportunities
to
collaborate
of
note,
three
meetings
and
again
numerous
meetings
throughout
throughout
the
community,
so
that
people
properly
understood
this
project.
The
first
is
the
required
project
community
meeting
that
was
conducted
via
Zoom,
where
we
went
through
the
scope
of
the
project
site
plans,
the
safety
program.
AB
AB
Here's
just
a
representational
sample
of
some
of
the
meetings
over
the
last
year
again,
something
that
we
believe
in
being
an
active
active
member
of
the
of
the
community
and
then.
Finally,
if
pictures
are
worth
a
thousand
words
I'm
going
to
cut
several
minutes
off
this
presentation,
you
can
see
some
pictures
of
some
of
the
things
that
again
we've
been
doing
here
in
in
the
city
of
Apopka.
AC
AC
And
we
are
permitted
use
in
the
CR
Zone.
The
building
will
be
about
a
hundred
thousand
square
feet,
two
stories
144
beds,
and
it
will
be
licensed
by
akka
as
a
specialty
hospital,
a
behavioral
health
hospital.
It
includes
six
24
bed
nursing
units
to
care
for
the
different
patient
populations
that
Dr
Woods
outlined,
and
it
does
also
include
outpatient
services
for
partial
hospitalization
and
intensive
outpatient,
which
are
step
down
treatments
for
patients
that
were
in
the
hospital
at
one
time.
AC
We
do
anticipate
a
starter
construction
at
the
end
of
the
year
and
we
anticipate
opening,
perhaps
second
quarter.
2025.
importantly,
the
joint
venture
that
was
formed
by
Orlando
Health
in
Acadia
is
a
for-profit
entity.
The
annual
economic
impact
is
estimated
to
be
around
21
million,
which
includes
property
taxes,
wages
and
benefits,
purchase,
Services
Etc
and
the
number
of
jobs
created
will
be
about
220
and
I.
Think
you've
mentioned
that
the
the
minimum
wage
will
be
15
an
hour,
but
there
are
many
positions:
doctors,
nurses,
therapists,
Etc
that
will
be
employed
here.
AC
Just
a
little
follow-up
from
the
Planning
Commission
meeting
that
we
had
Miss
Sanchez
mentioned
that
there
was
one
council
member
that
voted
against
it
and
that
was
really
dealing
with
the
accessible
parking
spaces
required
for
the
outpatient
components.
So
we
did
go
back
and
analyze
the
the
required
parking
for
the
inpatient
side
and
the
functional
need
and
then
the
required
parking
for
the
Outpatient
Clinic.
AC
We
did
make
an
adjustment
based
on
that
we've
increased
to
actually
eight
handicap
accessible
parking
spaces
to
address
that
concern-
and
we
did
actually
speak
with
that,
commissioner,
after
the
meeting-
and
he
seemed
very
amenable
to
that
to
us
looking
into
that
and
I
think
this
would
address
its
concerns
as
part
of
the
whole
process.
We
did
do
a
traffic
to
impact
study
and
it
did
indicate
that
there
are
no
required
offsite
improvements
or
traffic
impacts
and
D.O.T
has
reviewed
the
configuration
as
well.
AC
The
primary
entrance
is
a
write-in
right
out
and
left
in
only
off
of
Orange
Blossom
Trail,
so
there
was
no
left
out
of
the
site
as
part
of
this,
and
then
the
secondary
entrance
that
was
requested
by
the
fire
chief
is
basically
a
write-in
Rideout
for
fire
access
as
well
as
Dr
Woods
mentioned.
This
is
a
secured
facility
for
the
safety
of
the
patients
and
staff
controlled
access
into
it.
AC
All
external
entry
points
into
the
facility
and
between
nursing
units,
24-hour
video
surveillance
of
Lobby,
outdoor
and
common
areas
and
regular
patient
checks,
including
the
technology
that
Dr
Woods
outlined.
But
the
important
thing
here
is
that,
ultimately,
this
is
intended
to
be
a
healing
and
safe
environment
in
a
therapeutic
environment
for
patients
in
terms
of
exterior
materials.
This
will
be
in
Orlando
Health
branded
facility,
so
we're
using
color
palettes
and
materials
that
are
compatible
with
their
Regional
facilities.
AC
Everything
from
glass
and
aluminum
storefront
window
systems
on
the
front,
facades,
metal
panels
and
stone,
stacked
stone
base
around
the
building
and
then
ethos
around
the
rest
of
the
building
as
well
a
main
entrance
View
and
then
just
a
little
bit
of
typical
interior
imagery
once
again
to
dispel
a
lot
of
the
Notions
that
we
have
about
what
these
facilities
are.
These
are
once
again,
very
nice,
very
therapeutic,
very
inviting
facilities
internally,
oh
no,
introduce
Adam,
cronkers
signature.
I
Good
afternoon
my
name
is
Adam
crunk
with
crunk
engineering,
we're
the
civil
engineers
Landscape
Architects
on
the
project,
I
think
the
the
site's
been
pretty
well
introduced
by
Gene
and
chip,
but
just
want
to
add
that
there
are
wetlands
on
both
the
East
and
West
sides
of
the
property,
and
so
we've
oriented
the
building
north-south
direction.
To
try
to
minimize
impacts
to
those
areas
to
try
to
keep.
You
know
as
many
of
the
existing
trees
that
we
can
again
highlighted
the
access
off
of
441.
I
E
S
hey
good
afternoon
everybody.
My
name
is
Dr
Jonathan
hirschauer
I'm,
a
psychiatrist
at
the
current
Orlando
Health
South
Seminole
Hospital
in
Longwood,
Florida
I'm.
Also,
a
native
Floridian
I,
attended
University
of
Florida
for
undergrad,
go
Gators,
Southeastern,
Nova,
Southeastern
University
for
medical
school
and
University
of
Central
Florida,
where
I
did
my
Psychiatry
residency
training,
my
wife
who's
right
over
there.
We
both
live
here
in
Apopka,
and
we
really
enjoy
the
variety
of
rural
and
urban
living
that
Apopka
offers
at
South
Seminole
Hospital
on
the
attending
psychiatrist
on
the
mood
disorders
unit.
E
So,
as
we
were
talking
about,
I
managed
the
unit
that
helps
people
who
struggle
with
depression
and
anxiety,
which
obviously
a
lot
of
us.
You
know
know.
People
affected
by
these
are
common
diagnosis.
We
know
many
people
who
have
experienced
these
ourselves
as
an
impatient
psychiatrist
arranging
outpatient
follow-up
is
one
of
the
most
difficult
parts
of
my
job
as
there
was
a
big
shortage
of
outpatient
resources.
E
The
behavioral
health
hospital
in
the
Orlando
that
Orlando
Health
proposes
to
build
here
in
Apopka
would
not
only
make
my
commute
much
better
gas
prices
are
getting
expensive,
but
we
provide
our
community
with
a
place
for
healing
and
respite
for
individuals
suffering
from
mental
health
crises
and
will
provide
numerous
outpatient
resources
that
will
help
improve
treatment
outcomes
for
patients
once
they
leave
the
hospital.
This
will
also
also
likely
attract
new
outpatient
providers
and
other
programs
to
our
area
promoting
economic
and
infrastructure
growth,
along
with
improved
access
to
care.
E
In
short,
this
project
will
help
provide
resources
for
the
citizens
of
Apopka
and
will
help
continue
to
stimulate
growth
and
development
and
improve
the
quality
of
life
in
our
community.
I'm
excited
to
be
one
of
the
founding
physicians
at
this
new
hospital
and
as
a
resident
of
Apopka
as
well
promised
to
work
hard
and
do
my
best
to
support
the
citizens
of
our
fine
city.
Thank
you
for
your
time.
Thank
you.
P
I
just
had
a
question
for
the
doctor.
Here
we
as
a
disabled,
veteran
myself.
We
have
a
population
of
veterans
with
mental
health
in
Apopka
and
also
you
mentioned
about
substance,
abuse
and
all
this,
and
what
you
would
do
for
the
community.
I
understand
that
you
had
conversations
with
Chief
McKinley.
Is
there
any
room
in
in
your
organization
where
that
you
guys
can
train
these
police
officers?
P
AD
AA
AA
On
the
issue
of
Education
of
First
Responders
of
law
enforcement,
we
look
to
and
hope
to
be
able
to
partner
with
all
First
Responders
and
with
law
enforcement
and
to
provide
any
such
training,
education
and
support
that
they
are
able
to
receive
and
that
we
are
able
to
provide
towards
that
end.
Now.
This
is
a
common
thing
that
we
do
in
many
communities
where
we're
providing
critical
incidents.
AA
Jesse
briefing,
we
have
some
communities
where
we
have
our
social
workers,
doing
ride-alongs,
with
law
enforcement
to
distinguish
and
help
differentiate
between
what
is
a
mental
health
concern
and
what
is
a?
What
is
a
you
know,
a
criminal
act,
or
you
know
that
type
of
thing.
So
we
look
forward
as
this
project
evolves
to
having
those
conversations
with
all
First
Responders
EMS
law
enforcement,
fire
everybody,
and
certainly
with
the
veteran
Community.
We
will
be
standing
up
with
the
veteran
Community,
both
in
the
hospital
and
to
support
outside
in
the
community.
Z
Z
I'm
going
to
take
I'm
going
to
take
head
nods
as
yes
parking.
You
know
from
the
Planning
Commission
perspective,
I
think
you
addressed
that
issue.
You
know,
obviously,
when
this
was
first
reported
after
Planning
Commission
everything
gravitated
towards
security,
and
you
touched
on
it
in
terms
of
your
internal
protocols.
Z
Even
you
know,
when
I
was
talking
to
Mr
Watley
and
Mr
Davis
the
size
of
the
walls
and
the
security
perimeter,
that's
in
place
outside
of
the
the
tech
security
that
you
have,
but
physical
security
as
well
and
with
that
said,
I'm
assuming
our
police
chief
as
member
of
the
DRC,
was
in
favor
of
any
security
precautions
or
Logistics.
That
would
present
itself
in
this
situation
and
then
obviously
and
I
met
I,
made
Mr,
Wadley
and
Mr
Davis
and
know
this
after
our
meeting
last
week.
Z
Z
My
assumption
and
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong,
but
you
see
advocacy
groups
like
that
that
are
advocating,
on
behalf
of
patients,
mental
mental
health,
behavioral
health
as
a
good
thing
in
your
industry,
not
necessarily
adversarial.
But
that's
something
that
makes
sure
that
you
are
improving
your
processes
to
make
sure
that
you're
serving
your
patients
better
and
you're.
Keeping
the
people
that
are
on
the
immediate
surrounding
areas
of
those
locations
secure
from
folks.
That
might
not
be
otherwise
stable.
AA
AA
AA
That
might
just
seem
a
little
unusual,
but
we
are
very
open
to
advocacy
groups
who
have
a
State
admission
and
a
stated
goal
of
ensuring
that
the
Dignity
of
the
individual
that
the
health
care
that's
provided,
is
competent
and
at
the
highest
level
and
that
we
are
preserving
those
patients
rights
and
that
we're
doing
the
right
thing
for
them.
So
we
welcome
that
and
there
are
a
lot
of
national
organizations
that
are
not
that
a
quasi-governmental
and
non-governmental.
Z
Z
If
we
only
look
at
it
from
a
binary
perspective,
if
you
go
from
here
to
all
the
way
to
here
without
any
sort
of
Services
between
there,
that's
where
this
this
development
kind
of
starts
in
it's
it's
up
front.
It's
as
things
are
starting
to
be
known.
You
can
treat
at
much
earlier
on
versus
treating
the
symptoms
of
a
bigger
problem.
Absolutely
absolutely-
and
you
know
quite
honestly,
having
a
big
brand
like
Orlando
Health
here
within.
Z
AA
Can
make
this
one
comment
with
respect
what
you
said:
I
don't
want
to
take
up
too
much
time
when
you
guys
have
a
busy
calendar.
Adverse
social
determinants
of
Health
are
a
significant
priority
for
us
as
a
company
and
as
a
partner
we
in
other
jurisdictions
other
locations.
We
have
been
very
successful
in
working
with
payers,
Medicaid
and
private
payer
insurance
companies
in
bringing
our
shared
resources
together
to
solve
for
this,
the
underlying
social
determinants
of
Health
that
result
in
homelessness
and
to
try
to
begin
reversing
those
Trends.
AA
It's
a
big
lift
when
you
talk
about
that
cycle
as
you
described,
but
as
if
we
do,
if
we
together
through
A
needs
assessment,
really
understand
where
the
vulnerabilities
are
and
begin
plugging
those
holes
together
and
that's
I
talked
about
doing
more
than
just
what's
inside
the
four
walls
of
our
hospital
being
out
in
the
community.
That's
where
you're
going
to
see
action
applied
thanks.
D
When
I
sat
with
with
the
the
staff
I
mean,
they
explained
a
lot
to
me
and
and
I
will
tell
you
that
it
is
a
Missing
Link
in
the
city
of
Apopka.
This
morning
we
attended
the
mayor
and
I
were
part
of
an
Advisory
Group
for
I've
been
tellth
and,
of
course
you
fill
a
gap
and
it's
something
that
the
city
of
Apopka
is
in
need
of,
and
you
are
addressing
a
national
problem,
which
is
mental
health,
Mr.
B
Smith
and
and
I
know
they're
coming
to
Apopka
and
that's
great,
and
because
we
have
the
knee
here,
but
I'm
greatly
appreciative
they're
going
to
be
serving
a
larger
Community
as
well,
and
so
anything
to
increase
health
awareness
and
I'm
sure
that
there's
some
organizations
that
would
love
to
have
you
to
come
and
speak
to
them
in
references
to
how
to
identify
mental
health.
In
order
that
we
can
also
help
solve
the
problem.
G
H
That
was
a
very
comprehensive
presentation.
So
thank
you
for
that.
You
answered
the
majority
of
the
questions
and
all
that
I
don't
have
any
additional.
One
was
definitely
the
parking
wanted
to
make
sure
there
was
some
solidity
there
and
then
to
reference
some
emails
that
we'd
received,
but
you
checked
all
the
boxes
there
and
I
appreciate
you
covering
what
you
did.
Thank
you.
G
All
right
we'll
look
for
a
motion
to
approve
the
major
development
plan
for
Arcadia
Orlando
Health,
so
I
got
a
motion
by
Commission
of
Alaska.
Yes,
second,
it's
like
Mike
Mr
Smith,
all
those
in
favor
aye.
All
opposed
motion
carries
units
right,
Gene
Shores
at
East,
Shore
shops
at
East,
Shore.
Well,.
G
D
Y
Y
The
subject
property
is
located
on
the
northeast
corner
of
okoyapopca
Road
and
Keene
Road.
This
is
the
northern
portion
of
the
shops
at
East
Shore
plan
development.
The
PD
itself
is
approximately
25
27
acres
in
size.
The
aerial
shows
Agriculture
and
residential
uses
on
the
North
and
East
Orange
County
waste
facility,
the
South
and
Jefferson
Apartments
to
the
West,
the
East
Shore
multi-family
mdp
proposes
to
construct
an
age-restricted
apartment
complex
for
the
proposed
height
of
almost
55
feet
on
the
Northern
portion
of
the
pde.
Y
The
PD
establishes
the
maximum
permitted
height
of
65
feet,
and
this
portion
requires
262
parking
spaces,
while
271
parking
spaces
are
provided
by
the
applicant
with
10,
accessible
spaces.
Landscape
plan
proposes
oak
trees
within
landscape
parking
Islands
in
southern
magnolia
and
Sable
Palm
Trees
embellished
Road
crepe
myrtles
decorate
the
foundation
planning
around
the
apartment
buildings.
Y
Y
The
proposed
renderings
meet
the
intent
of
the
city's
Land
Development
coin
development
design
guidelines.
The
DRC
recommends
approval
at
its
meeting
on
August
8
2023
Planning
Commission
unanimously
recommended
approval
of
the
shops
at
eshore
multi-family
major
development
plan.
The
recommended
motion
is
to
approve
the
shops
of
each
Shore
major
development
plan
staff
and
applicants
are
available
for
questions.
B
L
AD
3156
Rolling
Hills
Lane,
normally
just
the
question
is,
as
part
of
the
weather
is
part
of
this
program
or
not
I,
just
as
you
know,
I
volunteer
with
the
police
department
doing
community
Patrol
I've
handled
in
the
last
three
or
four
months.
Three
accidents
at
the
at
the
Keen
Ocoee
Apopka
Road.
They
should
be
looking
at
traffic
light
you're,
putting
this
kind
of
density
and
as
well
just
emphasize
that
as
more
there's
times
all
the
way
back
to
Martin
road
traffic
is
backed
up
to
try
to
get
on
a
koe
popca.
Thank
you.
Z
AF
Z
AF
AF
Z
AF
AF
U
You
he's
right,
it
doesn't
mean
spacing,
but
we're
doing
some
other
improvements
out
there.
The
signal
at
Keen
is
we're
in
the
middle
of
design
now
and
we're
going
forward
with
that.
Regardless
of
what
else
happens
here,
we're
using
pretty
much
their
money
to
to
put
that
signal
in
I
understand
what
you're
saying
if
we
have
to
do
some
access
management
there.
After
you
know
everything
comes
online
because
of
I
understand
you're,
seeing
a
conflict
there.
U
We
have
the
opportunity
to
make
adjustments
to
that
I,
don't
know
if,
if
we're
going
to
end
up
with
a
median
there
or
if
it's
going
to
be
open,
but
they
definitely
will,
there
will
be
left
turn
Lanes
going
into
both
sides.
So
you'll
have
the
people
out
of
the
line
of
traffic
and
they'll
have
a
place
to
queue
waiting
to
make
their
turn.
They'll
be
right.
Turn
Lanes
too
so
I
I
feel
confident
that
it'll
be
safe.
G
We're
going
to
be
working
on
it.
Okay,
thank
you
all
right
with
that.
Look
for
a
motion
to
approve
the
major
development
plan
for
the
shops
at
East,
Shore
multi-family,
so
moved
got
a
motion
by
commissioner
Nesta
segment.
Commissioner
Velazquez,
all
those
in
favor
aye
all
opposed
motion
carries
unanimously
next
up
Floor
and
Decor
Apopka
major
development
plan.
Y
Y
The
mdp
proposes
to
construct
a
building
with
77
901
square
feet
of
area
for
wholesale
facility
for
surface
flooring,
related
accessories
and
approximately
5.72
Acres,
while
70
parking
spaces
are
required.
The
applicant
is
proposing
a
total
of
120
parking
spaces
plus
six
accessible
spaces.
These
parking
spaces
are
dispersed
on
the
north
and
south
of
the
proposed
building
with
the
loading
area
located
on
the
southern
end,
the
proposed
Building
height
is
32
feet,
while
the
maximum
is
45..
Y
The
northern
portion
of
the
subject-
property
currently
houses
a
grocery
store
and
Warehouse,
while
the
southern
area
is
undeveloped
and
heavily
wooded
landscape
plant
poses
Red
Maple
and
oak
trees
within
landscape
parking
islands
and
the
perimeter
of
the
project
areas
oak
trees,
embellished,
the
frontage
along
441
in
a
combination
of
crepe
myrtles
and
red
Maples,
are
placed
along
Lakeview
Drive.
The
applicant
is
currently
undergoing
the
vacation
process
for
the
Shepherd
Avenue
right-of-way,
with
Orange
County.
A
portion
of
that
row
will
remain
a
public
right-of-way,
providing
access
to
the
adjacent
Western
properties.
Y
Y
G
AG
H
That
road,
that
Lake
View
Drive
is
just
a
mess
already
with
the
industrial
traffic.
That's
there
so
I'm
just
concerned
about
additional
traffic
there
and
not
having
dedicated
right
turn
in
Lanes
or
anything
of
that
capacity.
So
just
just
a
concern
that
there
that's
not
a
road
I,
don't
think
either.
No
that's
a
County
Road
still
doesn't
mean
we
can't
Advocate
to
get
it
better.
I
agree:
yeah.
X
F
A
Z
X
Z
U
Dot
signal,
but
it's
managed
and
maintain
by
the
county
and
to
answer
your
questions,
and
some
up
here.
I
have
on
two
occasions
offered
to
split
the
cost.
To
fixing
that
intersection
with
the
county
and
I
got
a
negative
response.
It's
going
to
be
a
very
expensive
fix
because
of
the
location
of
the
inlets
and
the
storm
water
issues,
and
one
project
such
as
this
one
cannot
bear
the
cost
of
that.
So
I'm
still
looking
to
the
county,
it's
to
to
help
get
that
fixed
and
it's
just
not
a
priority
up
there.
So.
U
And
I
advise
them
I
advise
them
of
that
that
access
is
going
to
be
a
problem
for
them
and
and
they
would
like
they
would
still
like
to
come
in.
So
we're
not
going
to
really,
since
you
can't
come
to
this
site
from
the
South,
without
going
through
the
intersection
and
coming
around
some
way,
I
mean
without
the
County's
help.
There's
not,
and
we
can't
tell
them
they
can't
develop,
because
I
have.
U
G
U
To
the
there's,
the
the
right
away
is
not
the
problem
on
on
on
the
road.
There's
lots
of
right-of-way,
it's
just
that
the
the
signal
is
going
to
have
to
be
torn
down
totally
redone
and-
and
so
is
all
that
storm
water.
That's
where
the
the
big
cost
is
and
then,
when
we
do
that
the
restaurant
that's
right,
they
use
all
that
for
for
parking,
they're
gonna
have
to
reconsider.
You
know
if
they're
going
forward
with
whatever
business.
Z
Of
it
all
right,
yeah
well,
I
mean
my
big
thing.
Florida
core
makes
absolute
sense
for
high
growth
areas.
That
means
it's
going
to
be
very,
very
busy,
but
that
that
intersection
is
horrendous,
not
maybe
not
even
just
from
an
engineering
perspective,
but
like
just
from
the
signal
like
we
could
fix.
We
could
there's
baby
steps
options
here,
one
of
which
would
be
can
we
just
add
a
signalized
light
that
way,
you're
doing
all
flow
coming
out
of
Lakeview
at
one
time
all
the
flow
coming
from
what
is
it
Boy
Scout?
Z
No
authority
to
make
any
changes
business
because
there's
going
to
be
so
much
more
volume
here
and
getting
clearing
that
without
the
the
guesswork
of
or
someone
going
straight
and
then
I'll
put
their
signal
on.
If
you
can
get
a
turn
signal
right
there,
that
does
the
forced
all
one
side
I'm
using
lack
of
technical
terms
here,
but
I
think
you
know
what
I'm
talking
about.
U
Yeah
dot
typically
does
not
approve
split
phase,
they
don't
like
it.
But
if
you
look
up
at
Wesleyan
441,
we
just
did
it
up
there
on
the
side
streets.
You
know
the
trucks
coming
out
from
Wesley
on
the
South
Side,
they
all
everything's
green
and
then
the
other
side
gets
green.
We
could
ask
we
could
ask
Orange
County
to
investigate
and
help
fix
that
I
kind
of
already
have
but
I'll
ask
again.
Z
U
Z
I,
just
don't
and
I
get
it
I
get
the
struggle
right.
I
just
want
good
faith,
intent
of
let's
March
down
a
path
of
getting
that
split
signal,
because,
again,
from
a
layperson's
perspective,
it
makes
sense,
because
you're
taking
the
guesswork
out
of
clearing
volume
off
that
street
of
who's
turning
right
who's,
turning
left
et
cetera,
it
would
clear
it
would
clear
that
street
pretty
quickly.
U
AH
G
A
AI
P
P
Signal
coming
from
Binion
down
to
Lakeview,
you
make
a
right
and
go
over
the
railroad
track.
Mid
Florida
freezer
have
a
road
where
they
I
guess
trust
come
in
and
out
and
that
right
there
is
a
disaster
waiting
to
happen
too.
Mod
Helen
is
right
down
to
a
row
where
my
community
is,
and,
like
the
young
lady
just
said
about
boy
scout.
Once
the
trucks
get
there,
all
you
have
to
do.
The
school
buses
even
have
a
problem
getting
this
students
across
there.
P
When
the
when
the
bus
get
there
and
stop
for
the
crossing
of
the
railroad
track,
then
you
got
all
these
trucks
coming
and
you
got.
These
people
got
these
side
streets
trying
to
come
in
from
Annie,
Lake
Annie
and
that
the
accident
just
happened
was
Melvin
Jones
25
year,
employee
of
the
city
and
a
guy
by
the
name
of
David
rutler.
They
were
really
messed
up,
but
they
just
got
out
the
hospital,
but
that
that
place
up
there
we're
going
to
have
a
whole
lot
of
fatalities.
If
they
don't
fix
that
road.
G
Z
Z
I,
what
I
can
say
is
that,
let's
take
all
of
our
good
faith
efforts
to
ensure
that
we're
doing
that
and
hopefully
again
Orange
County
is
listening
to
this
meeting,
and
we
can
I
feel
like
a
broken
record
on
some
of
these
things
and
then
last
question,
because
is
that
Shepard
Avenue?
Is
that
just
an
easement
that
just
not
it's
going
to
stay
undeveloped
on
the
north
side
of?
What's
on
the
screen
right
now,.
AG
Z
Z
U
We
on
that
road,
and
we
had
discussions
about
them,
fixing
it
it's
they're
only.
There
are
very
few
people
that
use
it.
Mostly.
The
trucks
that
go
into
Mid,
Florida,
freezer
and
I've
told
them
that
if
they
did
not
want
to
participate
in
fixing
the
road,
because
I
can't
technically
make
them
that
they
just
need
to
understand,
they're
going
to
have
to
live
with
it,
because
it
is
not
even
on
our
radar.
We
have
so
many
other
roads
that
need
to
be
resurfaced
and
fixed.
AJ
U
U
People
that
drive
on
that
are
the
ones
going
into
Mid,
Florida
and
and
if
it
wasn't
for
that
there
well
there's
one
other
side
over
there
too,
because
we
talked
about
vacating
it
and
making
it
not
a
road.
But
there
is
in
addition
to
their
driveway
that
needs
to
come
off.
There,
there's
really
only
one
other
business
that
that's
their
only
access
and
that's
why
we
can't
vacate
it.
AG
So
I
think
to
Pam's
Point
foreign
Decor
if
at
that
time,
if
there
is
a
time
where
they
agree
that
the
road
needs
to
be
improved
for
their
own
Ingress,
egress
I
think
Floor
Decor
is
prepared
to,
you
know,
participate
in
any
such
improvements
that
that
they
seem
necessary.
But
right
now,
there's
no
plans
to
improve
Mayflower.
AG
Z
Can
continue
to
use
it
for
that
purpose?
It's
a
legacy
issue
and
I
don't
mean
to
perpetuate
a
legacy
issue.
We're
gonna
I,
don't
know
what
the
volume
increase
is
going
to
be,
but
I
would
assume
it's
going
to
be
significant,
because
this
is
going
to
be
a
location.
That's
going
to
be
fully
frequented.
Well,.
H
This
isn't
going
to
be
exclude.
That
entrance
is
not
going
to
be
exclusively
used
by
trucks
you're
going
to
have
residents
using
that
all
day,
because
the
traffic
backs
up
on
Lakeview
both
of
your
entrances,
your
Ingress,
your
risk
off
of
Lakeview
is
going
to
be
blocked
because
that
light
is
horrible
on
441,
so
people
are
going
to
be
using
this
often
foreign.
H
U
H
AG
AG
Z
Z
I
think
and
correct
me:
if
I'm
wrong,
I,
don't
mean
to
speak
for
you,
but
it's
plausible
that
Not
Just
Trucks
will
use
the
entrance
off
of
Mayflower.
There
could
be
situations
where
you
have
your
people
that
are
patronizing
the
business
park
on
the
south
side,
if
you
will
of
this
property
sure
right
here.
Z
Z
AG
I'm,
just
I
I
think
it's
the
past
of
that.
That
would
be
the
path
of
most
resistance.
Going
down
that
road
I
know,
I
mean
I.
Think
if
I,
if
I'm
a
resident
of
Apopka
and
I,
you
know
if
I
see
these
two
entrances
off
a
lake
view
and
the
one
off
441
I
think
it's
a
pretty
pretty
clear
decision
of
where
I'm
entering
the
store,
but.
Z
To
get
into
the
front
of
the
store,
you're
gonna
go
park
in
the
back
and
walk
to
where
you're
gonna
walk
to,
because
if
you
come
down
Lakeview
the
only
option
to
turn
left
into
your
into
your
development
is
in
the
area
marked
for
the
trucks.
There's
no
left
turn
lane
from
Lake,
so
you
would
have
to
do
a
big
old
Loop
to
get
into
there.
Z
So
we've
got
a
lot
of
development
going
on
the
south
side
of
Apopka,
so
you're,
meaning
to
tell
me
everybody's
gonna:
do
a
big
loop
to
go
into
Florida
car.
That's
I!
Think
what
we're
trying
to
go
through
here
is
the
different
scenarios
that
would
be
at
Play
all
to
the
point
of
I.
Think
Mayflower
should
be
improved.
H
A
H
G
AK
I
just
want
to
answer
one
thing
that
commissioner
said:
this
is
lebanopsol
lounge
Law,
Firm,
215,
North
Hilda
drive
just
to
bring
them
to
speed
some
of
the
conversations
we've
been
having
because
since
pre-drc
we've
been
working
with
staff
and
the
county
on
access
issues,
that's
why
Shepard
Avenue
was
vacated.
We've
been
talking
a
lot
about
Mayflower
this
portion
of
Mayflower
functioning
functionally
acts
like
a
driveway
to
Mid
Florida
freezer.
AK
O
O
Z
A
Z
A
Z
B
Look
at
looking
at
Mayflower
is
the
owner.
Residential
traffic
will
be
used
in
Mayflower
is
going
to
be
the
ones
that's
going
to
his
place
of
business
because
Mayflower
Deads
in
into
the
freezer.
If
I'm
looking
at
this
area,
shot
correctly
correct,
so
there's
nowhere
else
for
them
to
go
other
than
to
that
one
place
of
business.
B
Yeah
and
so
I,
don't
think
it
would
be
fair
to
have
this
developer
to
improve
the
road
when
the
freezer
has
been
used
in
the
road
for
years,
and
they
will
continue
to
do
so,
and
so,
if
it
was
possible
to
make
it
Trucks
Only,
then
that
would
prohibit
any
other
traffic
from
going
down
Mayflower
since
there's
there's
no
residential
homes
on
Mayflower
and
nowhere
is
a
dead
end.
Road.
G
B
G
G
B
B
B
AH
Z
E
F
Z
AL
AK
Only
we
can
have
that
signage
at
both
points.
I
think,
that's
that's
a
prudent
Point
made
by
commissioner
Becker.
You
know,
there's
there's
truck
traffic,
but
again
this
speaks
to
the
to
the
access
points
and
the
site
distance
issues
and
how
far
back
we
are
from
the
intersection
all
those
things.
We
went
into
kind
of
eyes,
wide
open
on
some
of
these
challenges,
and
you
know,
unfortunately,
we
have
some
shortage
of
dollars
in
cooperation
from
the
county.
At
this
point
and
we've
come
up
with
some
master
development
plan
that
that
needs
staff
recommendations.
G
D
I
mean
you
have
worked
all
this
time
with
our
city
staff
and
you
have
been
approved
by
DRC
planning
and
zoning.
We
don't
want
to
put
the
onus
on
you
with
the
road
that
falls
really
on
the
transportation
to
try
and
get
at
least
Lakeville
Drive
Lakeview
Drive,
so
that
we
can
have
a
turn.
Is
it
attorney?
Main
Pam
is
that
the
road
that
we
can
work
with
the
county
on
a
safe
turning
main.
U
U
U
AF
U
To
finish,
okay,
so
I
would
say
that
within
a
year
we
could,
if
Dot
and
Orange
County
are
inclined.
We
could
definitely
have
that
fixed
I,
don't
know
it
might
take
three
months
we're
dealing
with
DOT
we're
dealing
with
Orange
County
there's
with
Orange
County
there's
generally
of
four
month.
Factor
and
Dot
is
probably
about
the
same.
So
I'd
say
if,
if
we're
able
to
do
that,
we
could
do
it
in
as
as
little
as
four
months.
U
Private
I
looked
at
it
and
and
yeah
and
I
wanted
to
do
that,
just
give
it
to
them,
but
there
is
to
get
that
to
work
so
where's,
my
flower,
oh
Kylie,
what'd
I,
do
this
is
okay,
so
on
Mayflower
down
here
like
about
right
here,
that's
not
on
this
map!
There
is
one
business
that
has
that's
their
only
access
to
the
roadway,
Network
and
so
I
can't
I
can't
close
a
road.
U
If
that's
these
people,
everybody
else,
there
has
other
access,
I
mean
we
could
talk
to
them
and
make
it
just
call
it
a
private
driveway
and
and
tell
them
that
they
are
granted
access
to
that
private
driveway
forever.
That
was
not
something
I
thought
about.
We
could
do
that,
but
they're
the
only
thing
standing
between
us
vacating
that
road
and
making
it
somebody
else's
responsibility
and
that's
actually
kind
of
a
good
idea.
H
So
here's
what
I
think
makes
sense
is
let's
table
this
to
the
next
meeting.
We
make
phone
calls
to
Orange
County,
you
do
whatever
you
just
discussed,
talk
to
I.
Guess
the
local
owners
there
to
make
sure
that
they're
happy
with
that,
and
that
gets
us
in
a
better
position
that
we
feel
confident
moving
forward
with
this
again,
because
at
the
end
of
the
day
we
represent
the
residents,
a
lot
of
residents
have
shown
displeasure
with
the
amount
of
traffic.
That's
already
there,
let
alone
what's
coming
with
this.
H
AK
I,
don't
think
making
it
a
private
road
fixes
much
in
the
interim
right
I
mean
we
can
still
do
that
and
still
have
an
approved
Master
development
plan
based
on
what
we've,
what
we
have
to
continue
to
work
with
the
city
on
access
on
that
point,
but
we're
gonna
have
to
work
with
other
private
businesses
that
have
their
own
interests.
I
mean
you're
talking
about
substantial
delays
over
who
knows
what
a
lot
a
lot
of
City
time
and
effort
went
into
this
plan.
Well,.
Z
Z
So
if
I,
if
someone
I
fall
down
as
soon
as
the
argument
is
put
to
me,
that
says,
resonate
office
comes
up
to
me
and
says:
why
did
you
approve
this
piece
of
business
when
Mayflower
Avenue
is
in
such
a
condition?
I
have
no
rebuttal
to
that
statement.
I
need
to
have
a
rebuttal
to
that
statement
or
a
plan
in
place
a
firm
plan
in
place.
That
says
we
are
going
to
address
this
issue
and
a
timeline
firm
commitment.
Z
AK
I
think
it
goes
back
to
your
original
recommendation
of
working
with
working
with
the
county
on
this
I
think
we
do
have
a
solid
plan
and
a
timeline
to
do
that,
and
who
knows
you
know
if
we
have
those
counties
in
line
with
your
recommendation.
Commissioner,
then
maybe
there's
some
additional
monies
for
this
Mayflower
Avenue
apron
and
we
can
fix
that.
Those
concerns
there.
No.
AK
AK
What
I'm
talking
about
sure,
if
there's
two
buckets
of
money
going
into
it
and
then
I
absolutely
can
appreciate
that
perspective
and
the
same
has
been
had
from
ours.
I
said
you
know:
what
are
we
supposed
to
do
full
of
bring
a
city
road
up
to
a
completely
engineered
standard
for
two
other
businesses?
It's
a
deal
killer
and
so
that
we
came
to
some
Middle
Ground
of
hey.
AK
Z
Z
Yeah
again,
lack
of
clarity
on
Ingress
and
egress
on
truck
drivers
and
I'm.
You've
got
all
skilled
truck
drivers
that
come
in
there,
but
it
just
takes
additional
time
if
people
are
still
trying
to
figure
out
what's
dirt.
What's
pavement,
what
happens
if
two
trucks
are
coming
in
at
the
same
time,
the
width
of
this
thing
there's
a
whole
bunch
of
logistics
that
were
just
not
we're
kind
of
skirting
over
and
I
know.
Z
U
I,
my
gut
tells
me
that
you're
not
going
to
have
a
lot
of
residents
going
there
I
understand
your
perspective.
They
can
come
another
way,
but
the
trip
generation
for
this.
The
trip
generation
for
this
project
is
not
real.
High
yeah
and
I
mean
we
could
we
could
market?
And
just
you
know,
say
you
know.
This
is
not
a
a
public
entrance
and
there
might
be
a
few
people
that
try
and
come
there.
You
know
as
long
as
they
sign
it
right.
U
People
will
not.
The
general
public
will
not
come
there.
I
mean
I
wouldn't
want
to
intermingle
my
call
with
the
semis
there's
some
other
things
going
on
out
there
that
we
haven't
discussed
that
have
nothing
to
do
with
this
site.
Mid
Florida
Logistics
is
using
it
like
a
private
driveway
I've
been
told
that
they
have
trucks
that
stack
out
there,
waiting
for
them
to
open
their
gate.
We're
gonna
have
to
do
something
about
that.
I'm
happy
to
go
and
talk
to
the
the
one
business
to
see
if
they
would
be
all
right
with
us.
G
Z
Z
H
Got
the
issue
well,
Mayflower
I
think
we
should
just
take
care
of
it,
but
it's
not
something.
That's
on
our
radar,
so
I
can
figure
that
one
out
I'm
more
I
am
concerned.
Mayflower
is
a
big
deal
but,
like
view
is
our
biggest
deal
that
is
not
being
taken
care
of
and
it's
a
big
deal
regardless
of
this
development,
so
agreed.
H
H
H
AK
Consistently
hear
that
we
need
to
go
to
the
county
and
I
think
we,
the
staff,
is
given
a
firm
commitment
on
that.
Certainly
we'd
be
a
willing
participant
in
that
conversation
that
conversation,
commissioner,
but
I'm
not
sure
what
what
two
weeks
after
a
year
of
trying
to
talk
with
the
county
is
going
to
get
us
outside
of
what
we've
come
up
with
with
where
they
stand
today.
H
H
G
AK
AL
These
are
done
in
remembrance
of
a
loved
one.
The
parks
and
recreation
parks
and
recreation
department,
along
with
City
staff
at
City
Hall,
have
recently
received
multiple
calls
from
citizens
inquiring
on
whether
or
not
we
have
a
memorial
program
which
we
currently
do.
Not
our
department
took
a
look
around
other
local
cities
and
counties
and
pull
together
a
memorial
bench
Park
program
to
present
you
today.
AL
AL
AL
AL
We
anticipate
this
bench
to
last
anywhere
between
15
to
20
years
at
the
15-year
Mark.
The
sponsor
could
apply
for
an
extension
at
no
cost.
If
we
assess
the
bench
in
the
bench
is
in
good
condition
to
make
it
that
additional
five
years
they'd
be
authorized
to
keep
that
that
Memorial
bench
in
place.
If
the
bench
is
in
a
state
of
disrepair
or
needs
replacement,
they
could
then
sponsor
an
additional
bench
for
another
program
or
another
year.
AL
AL
And
Mount
Dora
has
a
10-year
program
as
well.
The
only
difference
is
they
utilize
more
of
the
wooden
bench
as
an
option,
so
these
would
be
steel,
commercial
grade
benches.
So
but
it's
up
to
the
pleasure
of
the
council,
if
you'd
like
to
go
with
a
10-year
with
a
five-year
add-on,
that
would
be
a
15-year
total
sponsorship.
D
AL
H
AL
AL
AL
H
AL
Would
sit
with
them
on
the
map
and
at
one
of
these
areas
we
could
select
a
space
for
them,
okay,
but
we
do
want
to
kind
of
keep
it
confined
to
these
parks.
At
this
moment
sure
one
one
park
that
I
know,
commissioner
Smith
and
I
talked
about
yesterday,
was,
as
we
finish,
the
parking
lot
expansion
at
Lauren,
Williams
Park-
maybe
that's
a
location
that
becomes
an
opportunity
for
sponsorship.
X
A
X
In
terms
of
their
metal
and
they
cost
twenty
five
hundred
dollars
and
there's
possibly
500
dollars
of
an
allowance
to
do
the
installation,
delivery
and
everything.
Do
you
foresee
any
maintenance
being
required
to
these
over
a
10
or
15
year
period?
What
happens
if
there's
people
come
down
and
spray
paint
them
and
to
face
them
or
vandalize
them?
Is
the
city
going
to
end
up
having
to
pay
money
because
the
sponsorship
doesn't
contain
contingency
for
repair
or
a
replacement.
AL
Yeah,
so
the
policies
provided
in
the
packet,
it
does
indicate
that
the
benches
the
season
not
liable
for
theft
or
vandalism
of
the
benches,
but
we
will
do
general
maintenance
and
cleaning
on
dementia,
so
that
could
entail
pressure
washing.
If
there
is
some
graffiti
I
mean
we
can
remove
that
off
of
a
steel
bench
pretty
easily
so
but
outside
of
that,
if
the
bench
is
completely
stolen
or
broken,
or
something
like
that,
the
city
would
not
be
held
liable
for
that.
This
would
be
a
sponsorship.
R
S
Sylvester
Hall
Rock
Springs
reach
I
I
love
the
idea
of
the
benches.
My
question
is:
when
you
look
at
the
bench
on
the
left
and
you
look
at
the
bench
on
the
right.
Well,
man
I
know
you're
anti-homeless,
but
that's
the
only
purpose
that
area
served
because
you
said
you
don't
want
nobody
sleeping
there
and
if
you
look
at
the
bench
on
the
left,
that
would
be
the
bench
that
I
would
go
with
the
bench
on
the
right
to
my
right
here.
S
If
a
homeless
wanted
to
sleep
there,
they
probably
still
would
they
probably
still
would
so
when
you're
looking
at
the
bench
itself
and
you're
looking
at
the
Cosmetic
makeup,
what
would
look
better
in
the
park
that
one
with
that
say?
If
you
were
there,
you
got
a
family
of
four
or
five.
You
got
that
sticking
in
the
way
that
that
potentially
stopped
somebody
from
sitting
down
that
takes
up
another
C.
So
it's
it's
really
no
need
for
it
to
be
there.
So
I
would
say
you
know
I'm
all
I'm.
S
AL
AD
Foreign
fifty
six
Rolling
Hills
Lane
I,
don't
know
how
it
lines
up,
but
right
now
it
would
be
the
South
West
corner
of
the
major
pond
in
the
in
the
park.
There's
a
metal
bench
there
on
the
northeast
corner,
I
believe
it's
a
fiber
fiber
board
bench
that
is
for
Ranger
Paul
in
memory
of
him,
so
I
just
I'm,
not
sure
the
aspect
of
tying
it
together,
but
it'd
be
nice
to
be
able
to
start
tying
this
stuff
together
in
one
consistent
way.
A
G
AL
K
D
D
It
helps
me
to
get
up
because
if
you
have
someone
that
comes
that
has
a
disabled
vet
or
a
senior
person
unless
they're
sitting
at
the
end,
that's
when
they
can
kind
of
use
that,
as
as
an
assistance,
but
if
it's
in
the
middle
I
find
that
it's
comfortable
where
they
can
sit
either
way
and
still
have
that
support.
Yeah.
A
D
Again,
it
is
a
six
foot
bench
because
sometimes
I
find
when
you
have
a
whole
bench
like
this,
and
you
have
two
people
sitting
there.
Sometimes
someone
else
wants
to
sit
and
they
just
feel
like
that.
Whole
bench
belongs
to
those
to
that
person.
So
when
you
have
that
middle
part,
it
it
allows
for
separation.
A
D
G
G
U
So
let
me
just
say
straight
off:
I'm
going
to
ask
you
for
money,
I
think
it's
already
in
our
budget,
but
I
want
it
designated
specifically,
but
before
I
do
that
I'm
going
to
have
Emily.
Tell
you
what
our
partnership,
what
with
best
foot
forward,
has
done
for
the
city.
I
think
this
will
be
our
third
year
our
third
year,
so
you'll
be
inclined
to
spend
the
pit
and
sit
they're
asking
for
to
continue
this
program.
U
AN
All
the
good
things
we've
done
awesome.
Thank
you
Pam,
good
afternoon,
mayor
commission,
my
name
is
Emily
Hannah
I'm,
the
executive
director
of
bike
walk
Central
Florida.
We
are
a
non-profit
advocacy
organization
that
promotes
walking
biking
and
rolling
safely
in
your
community
and
I'm
here
today
to
present
to
you
a
update
on
your
best
foot
forward
pedestrian
safety
program
and
the
work
we've
been
doing
in
the
city
of
Apopka.
To
date
the
program
runs
your
fiscal
year,
so
that's
October,
1
to
September
30th,
so
I'm
a
little
early
in
presenting
you
some
of
these
figures.
AN
We
are
not
done
yet.
We
still
have
a
few
Outreach
opportunities
that
we
are
working
on
in
the
city,
so
these
education
and
Outreach
numbers
will
not
be
the
final
numbers
that
you
see
in
your
final
progress
report
that
we
give
to
you
in
the
end
of
October.
But
here's
what
we've
done
so
far.
Just
with
the
city
of
Apopka
we've
completed,
four
high
visibility
enforcement
operations
and
those
are
region
wide.
AN
We
have
completed
six
events
and
presentations
to
date
having
conversations
with
1100
people,
that's
talking
specifically
about
the
driver,
yield
law
and
the
importance
for
stopping
and
paying
attention
to
people
crossing
the
road
and
have
distributed
well
over
700
materials,
and
that
includes
lights
and
stickers
and
things
that
remind
them
to
be
safe.
Beyond
our
conversations
at
those
events
and
presentations,
we've
monitored
four
crosswalks
to
date
this
year
in
the
program
and
have
completed
15
data
collection
samples.
We
still
have
some
to
wrap
up
this
month,
so
those
numbers
will
change
as
well.
AN
One
of
the
things
that
I
do
want
to
highlight
and
give
a
shout
out
to
the
Apopka
Police
Department,
specifically
Sergeant
Harmon.
We
conduct
and
host
a
best
foot
forward.
Regional
pedestrian
safety
Summit
every
year
and
we
invite
Partners
across
the
region
to
come
collaborate
about
what
works
for
them.
What
doesn't
work
some
of
those
issues
and
we
invited
Sergeant
Harmon
to
participate
as
the
enforcement
e
on
our
panel
and
he
did
a
fantastic
job
representing
not
only
the
city
of
Apopka,
but
the
work
that
he
sees
out
on
this.
AN
These
are
the
locations
that
we
have
monitored
this
year
within
the
program.
These
change
yearly-
and
this
is
determined
by
the
police,
department
and
City
staff,
so
these
will
likely
change
for
the
next
fiscal
year,
but
these
are
the
four
locations.
I
know:
I've
met
a
few
of
you
at
those
locations
during
our
enforcement
operations.
Whoops
that
went
way
too
fast.
We
conduct
crosswalk
Improvement
plans
and
provide
that
data
that
we
collect
every
year.
So
this
is
a
snapshot
of
that
crosswalk
Improvement
plan
and
some
of
the
data
that
we
collect.
AN
Not
only
do
we
collect
driver
yield
rate
data,
but
whether
or
not
the
driver
had
to
break
hard,
whether
or
not
there
was
a
pedestrian
trapped
in
the
middle
of
the
roadway
and
at
what
distance
that
driver
is
stopping
to
let
that
person
stop
cross
the
road.
Those
are
all
factors
as
to
whether
or
not
the
driver
can
see
The
Pedestrian
and
whether
or
not
additional
striping
and
signage
is
necessary.
Of
course,
these
are
all
very
low-cost
engineering
solutions
that
help
improve
the
safety
of
your
roadways.
AN
Just
again,
another
snapshot
of
those
operations
that
have
taken
place.
Sergeant
Harbin
was
the
decoy
at
a
couple
of
those
enforcement
operations
putting
his
life
on
the
line
to
protect
those
that
do
cross
the
road.
This
was
at
a
trail
Crossing
and
at
a
middle
school
right
outside
of
school
hours,
and
we
do
invite
the
media
to
attend.
So
we
did
have
several
news
channels
come
out
to
the
city
of
Apopka
specifically
to
Target,
and
to
highlight
the
enforcement
efforts
in
the
city.
AN
This
is
happening
way
too
fast.
I,
don't
know
what
I'm
doing.
Okay,
some
pictures
of
our
in
education
efforts
we've
been
out
to
lots
of
community
events
at
your
various
Parks
throughout
the
city,
and
then
this
is
the
request.
As
Pam
said,
we
are
asking
for
a
little
bit
of
money
to
operate
the
program
as
we
are
a
non-profit,
so
this
year
coming
fiscal
24.
This
is
the
scope
of
what
we
would
do
for
the
city
of
Apopka.
AN
This
is
very
straightforward
and
most
of
what
we
provide
other
municipalities,
we
do
a
little
bit
more
events
and
presentations
than
most
cities,
you're
a
little
larger,
so
that
was
a
request
of
City
staff.
So
your
program
cost
is
roughly
under
ten
thousand
dollars,
which
is
the
same
cost,
if
not
less
than
it
was
last
year.
Part
of
the
reason
why
we
can
bring
you
something
that
costs
a
little
bit
less,
which
very
rarely
happens,
is
because
we've
renegotiated
our
agreement
with
metro
plan
Orlando
and
they
are
now
going
to
pay
for
the
enforcement
operations.
AN
Our
steering
committee
meetings
and
the
summit
this
year
and
part
of
that
is
in
conjunction
with
and
supporting
their
Safe
Streets
for
all
Grant
application
which
they
were
awarded.
So
all
the
cities
are
participating
in
those
Regional
efforts
and
the
best
foot
forward
program
is
a
part
of
that.
We
did
see
some
inflation
costs.
So
that's
why
you
don't
see
a
significant
reduction,
because
we
did
have
to
increase
some
of
our
our
program
costs,
but
it's
roughly
996
dollars
this
year.
AN
D
D
U
H
No
I
just
want
to
say
thank
you
for
what
you
do
for
the
community.
I've
been
out
a
few
times
in
your
enforcement
operations
and
those
have
been
educational
to
say
the
least.
I've
definitely
learned
something
each
and
every
time
and
I'm
glad
I'm,
not
the
one
that
needs
to
be
educated
during
those
events.
So
that's
very
nice
and
the
other
one
was
just
the
the
cost.
H
U
U
H
P
Leroy
Bell
mod
Helen,
this
seemed
to
be
a
great
program
and
but
what
I?
What
I
would
ask
is
the
way
you
pick
the
crosswalks
and
from
where
your
pictures
and
stuff
I
see
nothing
from
Central
Avenue
up
to
that'll
be
Sheila
on
436
in
the
last
two
years,
we'd
have
had
several
fatalities
up
there
and
nobody's
paying
attention
to
this
area
right
here,
I
think
the
last
one
the
man
was
killed
in
a
wheelchair,
coming
across
from
Pizza
Hut.
P
P
X
Pma3603
golden
gem,
Road,
whatever
appeared
to
me
today,
is
that
we're
asking
to
complete
a
partnership
with
law
enforcement
to
endorse
checkpoints
and
I'm,
not
against
that,
but
effectively.
If
Commissioners
are
going
to
endorse,
checkpoints
for
law
enforcement
could
already
do
that.
I
would
also
like
you
to
endorse
checkpoints
where
we're
looking
at
vehicles
and
we're
doing
more
random
check
tests
and
drivers
who
have
been
drinking
and
when
we
do
that,
we
can
also
check
to
see
who's
carrier
firearms.
S
Sebasta
Hall
Rock,
Springs,
Ridge,
I
agree.
This
is
a
great
program,
there's
nothing
more
important
than
our
kids
and
making
sure
they
have
a
proper
crosswalk.
But
what
I
will
hope
that
we
put
the
crosswalk
there's
five
crosswalks?
They
need
to
be
put
in
the
most
vulnerable
areas
that
we
have
period
other
than
that
we're
just
doing
a
window
dressing.
S
G
Anybody
else
all
right,
we'll
close
the
public
hearing,
look
for
a
motion
to
approve
the
best
foot
forward
pedestrian
safety
program.
So
many
got
a
motion
by
commissioner
Velasquez.
Second,
second
by
commissioner
Nesta,
all
those
in
favor
aye.
All
opposed
motion
cares
endlessly
next
up
Pam
heck
of
Transportation.
Let's.
U
U
This
plan
and
the
I
don't
want
this
to
be
a
coffee
table
book,
something
that
you
just
stick
in
your
office
and
say:
look
how
pretty
it
is.
This
is
actually
a
plan
that
we
want
to
use.
We
have
Partners
at
Metro
plan
at
the
city
at
the
state
development
partners,
other
Transportation
related
Partners,
where
we
actually
have
a
real
opportunity
to
make
this
into
something,
and
so
after
Emily
does
her
presentation.
You
got
a
presentation
a
couple
months
ago.
Now
this
is
the
final.
U
AN
Thank
you
Pam
good
afternoon
again,
mayor
and
commission.
Emily
Hannah,
with
bike
walk
Central
Florida,
where
that
non-profit
advocacy
organization
are
where
our
mission
is
to
support
all
those
that
walk
bike
and
roll.
So
we
had
the
opportunity
to
come
work
with
the
city
of
Apopka
and
several
different
partners
on
identifying
what
we're
calling
an
active,
Transportation
Network.
So
not
just
a
Trails
master
plan.
This
is
for
individuals
to
walk
bike
and
roll
throughout
the
city,
regardless
of
the
size
of
the
infrastructure.
AN
We
wanted
to
make
sure
that
we
provided
a
plan
that
provided
all
of
the
different
types
of
infrastructure
that
supports
that
type
of
active
Transportation,
hopefully
to
reduce
some
of
the
traffic
congestion
that
I've
been
hearing
from
proposed
development
throughout
the
meeting
today,
so
I'm
going
to
run
through
the
the
beginning
of
this
presentation
very
very
quickly.
Just
as
a
reminder.
These
are
our
goals
for
the
study.
AN
We
wanted
to
not
only
identify
this
active
Transportation
Route,
but
we
wanted
to
use
it
as
an
economic
development
tool
as
well
and
to
help
Point
developers
in
a
direction
to
say.
This
is
why
we
need
this
type
of
roadway
Improvement
or
this
is
why
we
need
this
segment
of
right-of-way
to
build
this
Trail,
or
this
is
why
we
need
you
to
build
that
section
of
Trail
and
here's
what
those
standards
might
look
like.
AN
We
had
a
lot
of
stakeholders
and
stakeholder
meetings
with
all
the
various
individuals
and
organizations
that
you
see
on
the
screen,
including
residents
of
the
city
of
Apopka,
so
we
definitely
appreciate
their
support
of
this
project
really
quickly
again.
This
was
we're
going
to
go
through
the
existing
conditions
more
for
the
audience
than
anything.
This
is
the
Regional
Trail
connection
through
the
city
of
Apopka.
This
is
the
Coast
to
Coast
Trail,
to
align
you
and
then
running
north
south
of
the
West
Orange
Trail
through
the
city.
So
we
wanted
to
create
a
loop.
AN
We
wanted
to
connect
to
some
Regional
environmental
centers.
We
wanted
to
create
a
theme
of
this
Trail
Loop
in
the
city
of
Apopka,
and
we
wanted
to
make
sure
that
these
signature
Trails
were
feasible,
that
this
was
not
just
a
plan
on
a
shelf.
Here
is
your
proposed
and
I'm?
Sorry
existing
and
proposed
trails
that
are
already
planned
in
the
city
of
Apopka,
so
we
took
this
as
our
framework
and
then
we
looked
at
the
land
uses
what's
currently
happening
in
and
around
the
city.
AN
We
looked
at
not
only
those
recreational
areas,
but
the
commercial
centers,
because
again
we
want
to
promote
active
Transportation,
so
promote
the
ability
to
ride
your
bike,
walk
or
roll
to
any
of
these
locations.
We
identified
some
gaps
again
going
through
and
reminding
ourselves
of
those
big
pictures
through
Economic
Development
and
eco-tourism.
AN
We
identified
what
those
activity
centers
were
and
in
this
greenish
color
to
the
left
of
the
map
is
the
gap
in
which
we
saw
from
not
only
the
activity
centers
that
we
identified,
but
also
within
the
existing
and
proposed
Trail
Network.
We
conducted
public
feedback
we
distributed
over
750
postcards
to
30
businesses
within
the
city
of
Apopka.
AN
We
did
hold
a
community
meeting
that
had
a
little
bit
more
than
15
people,
not
quite
the
response
that
the
UCF
students
had,
but
that's,
okay,
and
then
we
also
conducted
an
online
survey
and
we
received
66
66
responses
to
that
online
survey.
Those
responses
where
people
are
walking
mostly
in
the
city
of
Apopka,
not
really
biking,
but
mostly
both
people
that
walk
and
bike
are
doing
so
for
leisure,
Recreation
or
exercise,
not
necessarily
for
transportation.
AN
However,
that's
not
necessarily
something
we
can
write
off
completely
people
prioritize
safety
as
being
the
first
and
primary
thing
that
they'd
like
to
see
within
any
improved
infrastructure,
also
comfort
and
then
convenience,
and
so
we
wanted
to
prioritize
those
things
within
the
plan.
They
also
prioritized
recreational
destinations,
first
and
foremost
before
they
would
hop
on
a
bike
for
a
or
walk
to
a
day-to-day
commute.
So
we
wanted
to
prioritize
those
as
well
so
with
that
I
am
now
presenting
to
you
our
proposed
Network,
and
it
makes
several
nice
Loops
within
the
city
of
Apopka.
AN
We've
identified
these
Trails
as
different
priorities.
First
is
Priority
One.
These
have
shorter
time
frames
and
should
make
those
connections
pretty
viable
pretty
quickly.
Some
of
these
are
within
an
existing
where
new
development
is
taking
place
other
it
could
be
roadway
improvements
in
the
future,
as
discussed
with
City
staff.
Priority
two
Trails
would
probably
be
an
intermediate
or
a
long-term
goal.
AN
We
can't
do
this
without
them,
so
we
did
vet
this
with
Orange
County,
Parks
and
Recreation
and
in
the
transportation
Division,
and
they
ultimately
gave
us
the
thumbs
up,
and
so
we
will
talk
to
them
on
these
individual
projects
as
they
come
up,
and
then
we
also
identified
a
few
third-party
Trail
Concepts.
These
would
be
off-site
at
specific
locations,
we're
calling
the
one
on
the
North,
Pine,
Plantation
and
then
the
landfill
on
the
south.
AN
That
is
also
a
pretty
prominent
thing
that
we
wanted
to
emphasize
within
this
plan
was
that
there
were
Partnerships
that
supported
the
opportunity
for
the
city
to
not
just
spend
your
money
but
spend
the
state
or
federal
dollars
that
are
now
available
as
well.
We
looked
at
secondary
opportunities
that
included
bike
Lanes.
Most
of
these
bike
Lanes
would
be
available
if
you
just
restriped
the
road,
no
roadway
acquisition
right
away
necessary
just
re-striping.
AN
We
also
identified
low
speed
roadways
that
could
provide
additional
connections
to
the
primary
Network,
which
was
the
the
main
signature
Trails
we
identified
and
to
those
bike
Lanes.
We
did
so
by
identifying
low
speed
streets,
low
traffic
volumes,
things
that
are
comfortable
for
people
of
all
ages
to
walk
and
bike
on.
We
didn't
Identify
two
roads
that
we
do
request
a
speed
limit
reduction
just
to
make
it
a
little
safer,
or
maybe
you
just
don't
make
these
assigned
bike
route
oops
and
then,
in
addition,
we
skipped
ahead.
AN
We
looked
at
sidewalk
gaps,
so
we
identified
critical,
sidewalk
gaps
that
would
connect
to
the
primary
active
Transportation
Route
that
secondary
route
and
that
third
bike
sharrow
route
as
well.
These
are
those
sidewalk
gaps
identified
in
the
community
that
we
would
suggest,
and
then
we
not
only
looked
at
those
proposed
routes,
but
we
looked
at
what
the
impact
of
those
routes
might
be
for
the
city
of
Apopka.
AN
So
as
it
exists,
the
existing
Trails
have
a
roughly
reach
of
about
25
000
people
within
a
half
a
mile
of
where
they
currently
live
on
that
existing
route.
And
if
we
were
to
look
at
the
proposed
and
funded
trails,
that
number
is
a
little
less
than
half
as
it
increases
to
46
000
individuals
that
would
have
a
half
a
mile
access
to
one
of
these
Trail
routes.
AN
We
also
looked
at
the
mile
of
trails
proposed
within
the
city,
so
it
would
more
than
double,
if
not
triple
within
the
city,
just
buy
a
plan
or
install
those
proposed
routes.
We
also
looked
at
the
additional
amenities
that
would
be
connected
with
the
addition
of
the
trail
Network,
and
that
includes
dining
establishments,
grocery
stores
and
markets
and
Parks
and
Recreation,
and
that's
all
broken
down
individual
in
your
plan.
I
was
trying
to
be
brief.
AN
Today
in
our
presentation,
we
also
did
11
I'm
sorry,
six
accessory
plans
that
looks
at
all
of
these
different
topics
here,
I'm
only
going
to
go
through
the
first
three
with
you,
but
the
rest
are
located
within
your
plan,
and
this
plan
is
also
available
online
and
available
on
bike
walks
website.
So
we
looked
at
Trailhead
men
and
amenities
where
we
could
possibly
add
Trail
heads
and
where
some
of
these
amenities
might
be
located.
AN
AN
We
know
that's
something
you're
very
interested
in,
so
we
looked
at
the
different
signage
types
and
potential
placements,
but
again
this
is
at
a
very
high
level,
something
that
we
can
certainly
assist
the
city
of
Apopka
with
doing
in
the
future
if
you
wanted
something
a
little
bit
more
detailed
as
far
as
specific
locations,
and
that
is
the
plan
in
another
nutshell,
so
we
are
here
today
to
answer
any
questions
you
might
have
and
do
hope
that
we
can
actively
support
the
city
of
Apopka
in
implementing
what
is
proposed
in
the
packet
today.
Thank
you.
G
AO
I'm
Eric
mock
I
live
at
2439,
birdie,
View
Drive,
here
in
Apopka
and
I'm,
an
avid
cyclist
and
had
a
wonderful
opportunity
to
be
part
of
the
of
the
team
that
Emily
had
and
put
together.
It
was
a
a
great
team
that
we
had
multiple
interactions
and
meetings
in
putting
this
plan
together
and
even
during
the
plan
process.
G
D
Z
A
U
U
The
piece
connecting
the
West
Orange
trail
to
the
neighborhood
Lakes
Trail.
Even
though
that's
a
county
project,
we
got
two
million
dollars
from
the
state
and
we're
designing
that
for
the
county,
so
that
you
can
have
the
connection
from
the
Wekiva
Trail
on
the
North
to
South,
to
the
Coast,
to
Coast
Trail,
and
you
can
go
coast
to
coast
and
two
places,
and
then
there
are
some
others
that
are
some
are
being
done
by
developers
as
part
of
their
development
approval.
U
That's
why
it's
it's
important
to
have
this
documented,
but
I
I
would
tell
you
that
the
way
we're
gonna
and
also
the
trail
going
up
okoya
popular
road
that
will
be
designed
with
the
road.
That's
about
to
start
design
on
the
Northern
piece
and
the
southern
piece
is
already
being
done.
So
those
pieces
are
the
ones
that
will
probably
come
first,
but
as
far
as
the
others
go,
we're
gonna
be
doing
the
ones
that
are
the
easiest.
U
You
know
things
that
we
can
get
done
fast
and
then
the
ones
that
don't
require
right
away
or
some
of
the
other
ones
that
are
probably
less
expensive
and
then
those
we
have
to
invest
a
lot
of
money
in
those
we
will
put
on
a
list
and
prioritize
and
I
wish.
I
could
point
at
this
map
and
tell
you
which
is
which
that's
to
come,
but
that's
that's
kind
of
our
strategy.
We're
trying
to
get
as
much
done
as
we
can
and
we
do
have.
U
U
S
S
So
when
we
bake
these
beautiful
Trails,
we
have
to
maintain
them,
and
then,
when
we
put
the
trail
down,
we
want
to
make
sure
we
put
it
down
where
it
don't
break
up
into
three
years,
put
a
quality
Trail
in
so
it'll
last
and
the
concrete
will
last
and
it
won't
break
up.
So
those
are
the
things
I
want
to
want
you
to
look
at
when
you're,
putting
these
beautiful
Trails
because
they're
beautiful
when
they
start,
but
if
you
don't
maintain
them
and
keep
the
maintenance
up
now,
I
become
an
eyesore
and
a
trip
Hazard.
S
D
D
Y
Gene
Sanchez
with
the
Community
Development
Department.
This
is
a
request,
accept
the
first
reading
of
ordinance
number
3010
amending
the
future
land
use
map
for
shake
the
nations
from
industrial
to
commercial.
The
subject
property
is
located
in
northwest
corner
of
U.S
441
summer
and
Commerce
Place.
Y
It
is
2.4
acres
in
size
and
currently
houses
a
building
with
over
24
300
square
feet
of
area
and
an
existing
use
of
broadcasting
studio
and
and
auxiliary
office
use
commercial
future
land
use
designation
exists
on
the
southern
adjacent
property.
This
application
is
also
being
processed
simultaneously
with
an
application
that
changes.
Zoning
of
the
subject-
property
from
IL
light
industrial
to
ccor,
Corridor
commercial
zoning
District.
Y
The
DRC
recommends
approval
at
its
meeting
on
June
13
2023
Planning
Commission
unanimously
recommended
approval
of
the
future
land
use
Amendment
on
July
5th
2023
city
council
tabled
this
item
at
the
request
of
staff
and
on
August
2nd.
This
item
was
continued
to
a
date
certain
of
September
6.
At
the
applicant's
request.
The
recommended
motion
is
to
accept
the
first
reading
of
ordinance
number
3010
and
hold
it
over
for
second
reading
and
adoption
staff
and
applicant
are
available
for
questions.
G
D
Questions
for
Gene,
first
I,
just
the
ex
part
ex
parte,
which
I
did
speak
with
the
attorney
Jonathan
huels
and
that
was
on
Wednesday
I,
had
a
schedule
meeting
with
him
in
City
Hall,
but
that
was
the
day
we
were
closed
because
of
the
hurricane.
So
we
had
a
telephone
conversation
and,
of
course
we
talked
about
the
parking
issue,
and
that
was
a
concern,
the
parking
issue
and
something
that
was
kind
of
satisfied
as
to
how
are
they
going
to
deal
with
the
parking
issue.
D
Y
D
I'm,
sorry
repeat
that
again
during
the
development
plan
review
correct
okay,
because
I
was
unaware
until
after
my
conversation
with
Mr
Jonathan
Hughes,
that
it
was
on
septic
and
I
did
consult
with
James
head
and
just
wanted
to
make
sure
that
the
applicant
understands
that
when
they
do
come
back
that,
there's
going
to
be
some
discussion
between
staff
and
them.
Regarding
a
connection
to
sewer.
G
AA
L
Y
The
change
of
zoning
to
ccrr
would
also
provide
the
transition
from
the
existing
CC
Community
commercial
zoning,
District
South
of
the
property
of
budding
Semoran
Boulevard
to
the
north,
to
the
northern
properties
in
the
IL
zoning
District.
The
purpose
of
the
ccor
district
is
to
provide
lands
that
comedy
a
moderate
range
of
primarily
commercial
uses
along
commercial
corridors
in
ways
that
support
infill
and
Redevelopment.
This
property
is
located
in
the
vicinity
of
State,
Road,
436
Corridor
and
therefore
suitable,
a
suitable
candidate.
Y
For
the
said
zoning
designation,
the
applicant
has
Community
communicated
with
staff
that
they
intend
to
hold
approximately
20
conferences
annually,
By
Invitation
Only
additional.
Additionally,
there
are
currently
66
parking
spaces
for
the
broadcast
Studio,
which
requires
58
spaces
for
the
for
the
Land
Development
code,
if
and
or
when
other
uses
are
introduced
or
change
of
views
occurs,
such
as
a
conference
center
use.
It
is
subject
to
the
standards
of
the
Land
Development
code
and
other
applicable
City
standards.
Y
The
DRC
recommends
approval
at
its
meeting
on
June
13
2023
Planning
Commission
unanimously
recommended
to
approval
of
the
proposed
change
of
zoning.
The
recommended
motion
is
to
accept
the
first
reading
of
ordinance
number
3011
hold
it
over
for
second
reading
and
adoption
staff
and
applicant
are
available
for
questions.
G
Any
questions
for
Gene
any
buy
from
public,
which
is
speaking
this
matter.
No
we'll
close
a
pub
hearing,
look
promotion
to
approve
ordinance
number
3011
at
first
reading
and
hold
over
for
a
second
reading
and
adoption
got
a
motion
by
commissioner
Nesta.
Second,
second
by
commissioner
Velasquez,
all
those
in
favor.
O
J
Number
3019
ordinance
number
3019,
an
ordinance
of
the
city
of
Apopka
Florida
amending
the
future
land
use
element
of
the
Apopka
comprehensive
plan
of
the
city
of
Apopka.
Changing
the
future
land
use
designation
for
mixed
use
to
Industrial
for
certain
real
property
generally
located
west
of
bokoia,
Apopka
Road
and
North
of
State
Road
414
owned
by
the
ridge,
Self
Storage
LLC,
comprising
12.25
Acres,
more
or
less
providing
for
separability
conflicts
and
an
effective
date.
K
Good
afternoon
Bobby
Howell
planning
manager
with
Community
Development
Department,
the
applicant
has
submitted
a
small
scale.
Future
land
use
Amendment
from
mixed
use
to
Industrial
for
property,
located
on
North
side
of
State,
Road,
414
and
west
of
okoyapaka
road.
It's
approximately
12.25
acres
in
size.
The
applicant
is
requesting
the
future
land
use
amendment
to
allow
for
the
development
of
a
proposed
self-storage
facility
on
the
two
Parcels
of
which
is
not
a
permitted
use
in
the
current
future.
Land
use,
zoning
future
land
use
and
Zoning
designations
of
future
land
use
designation
is
mixed
use.
K
You
can
see
the
existing
future
land
use
designation
on
the
map
in
front
of
you.
The
development
Review
Committee
recommends
approval
of
the
future
land
use
change
from
mixed
use
to
Industrial
the
Planning
Commission
unanimously
recommended
approval,
and
the
recommended
most
recommended
motion
this
afternoon
is
accept
first
reading
of
ordinance
number
3019
and
hold
it
over
for
second
reading
and
adoption
on
September
20th.
If
you
have
any
questions
myself
and
the
applicant
are
available.
G
W
G
L
G
K
J
Ordinance
number
3020,
an
ordinance
of
the
city
of
Apopka
Florida,
changing
the
zoning
from
T
transitional
to
Il,
light
industrial
for
certain
real
property
generally
located
west
of
Ocoee,
Apopka
Road
and
North
of
State
Road
414
owned
by
the
bridge,
self-storage
LLC,
comprising
12.25,
Acres,
more
or
less,
providing
for
seven
ability,
conflicts
and
an
effective
date.
Thank.
K
You
for
the
record
Bobby
Hall
planning
manager.
This
is
the
companion
rezoning
from
transitional
to
light
industrial.
The
location
maps
are
on
the
screen.
The
recent
first
reading
of
the
future
land
use
Amendment
from
industrial
to
or
from
mixed
use
to
Industrials
recently
voted
on
approved
by
the
city
council.
This
is
the
like
I
said:
the
rezoning
from
T
transition
with
light
industrial.
The
development
Review
Committee
recommends
approval.
G
Any
questions
for
Bobby
anybody
from
public
wish
to
speak
on
this
matter,
not
we'll
close.
The
public
hearing
for
a
motion
to
approve
ordinance,
number
3020
first
reading
and
hold
over
for
a
second
reading
and
adoption.
So
we've
got
a
motion
by
commissioner
Nesta.
Second,
my
commissioner
Smith
all
those
in
favor.
AP
J
AM
Thank
you,
mayor
Jim
hit
community
development
director.
As
you
all
know,
this
was
the
these
are
kind
of
a
continuation
of
what
I
consider
glitch
amendments
basically
updates
to
help
clarify
and
amend
the
land
of
element
code
that
was
originally
fully
changed
back
in
2019.
This
is
the
seventh
one
over
the
last
few
years.
AM
The
last
one
was
done
on
March
of
this
year,
and
these,
like
I
mentioned,
are
little
quirks
that
they
come
up
in
clarifications
that
we
need
in
order
to
keep
the
the
city
moving
forward.
The
first,
the
first
particular
item,
actually
there's
two
that
are
almost
exactly
the
same,
has
to
do
with
the
residential
multi-family
district
and
the
residential
mixed
use.
District
both
of
those
we
did
put
the
building
height
from
35
to
55.,
there's
also
some
clarifications.
AM
The
other
one
is
clarification
regarding
the
height
of
the
buildings
like
a
two-story
is
typically
about
35
feet.
That's
like
a
single
family
house,
also
three
stories,
45
four
stories,
55
and
then
five
stories
for
the
special
exception.
So
the
other
portion
that
that
came
up
was
the
mixed
use.
Excuse
me,
the
mixed
use
downtown
district.
AM
So
we
allow
that
that
commonality
between
front
setbacks
to
take
place,
not
necessarily
say
say,
for
instance,
if,
if
you
have
the
majority
of
the
homes,
are
10
feet
and
the
normal
code
would
be
20
feet.
We
don't
want
that
set
back
behind
the
other
structures.
We'd
rather
have
them
in
line
with
the
with
the
existing.
That's
there
another
portion
yeah,
that's,
basically
that's
what
that
covers
there
going
on
the
next
next
portion
has
to
do
with
the
principal
use
table.
AM
This
was
one
of
those
things
that,
as
you
look
at
it
and
as
you
get
different
uses
in
it,
turned
out
that
utility
uses
such
as
solar
energy
facilities,
utility
facilities,
major
or
minor.
That's
Electrical,
Plumbing,
any
type
of
things
we're
actually
not
a
permitted
use
in
institutional,
we're
institutional,
that's
what
we
end
up
putting
in
is
those
types
of
uses
on
on
institutional
properties.
So
we
we
updated
the
table
for
that
to
allow
that
as
a
permitted
use,
kind
of
makes
sense
another
one
that
came
up.
AM
This
has
to
do
with
our
business
tax
receipts.
We
did
not
have
home
occupation
as
a
permitted
use
in
our
residential
districts.
Three
of
those,
so
we
did
we're
updating
that
to
actually
allow
a
home
occupation.
This
is
people
that
are
working
from
home.
It
kind
of
made
sense
to
put
that
back
in
thing
that
came
up.
We
do
have
a
lot
of
recreation
uses.
AM
We
also
have
a
lot
of
church
uses
and
to
allow
for
a
mulch
or
a
grass
parking
area
for
alternative
surface
parking
areas
we
did
put
in
some
regulations
for
that.
Basically,
they
still
need
to
be
able
to
park
it
properly,
but
if
you
are
going
to
be
putting
in
either
grass
parking
or
mulch
parking,
you
do,
we
are
requiring
a
drive
aisle,
that's
paved
because
that's
the
that's
the
that's
the
aisle
or
the
location.
That's
getting
used
the
most.
AM
And
then,
last
but
not
least,
porches
and
balconies.
We
probably
we
with
with
the
inaction
of
this.
We
now
have
more
regulations
regarding
balconies
than
any
other
city
or
county
in
the
area,
but
it
is
also
something
that
we
needed,
because
we
don't.
We
aren't
dealing
with
with
development
agreements
all
the
time
that
have
requirements
regarding
balconies,
but
this
does
require
at
least
50
percent
of
a
multi-tenant
building.
That's
facing
a
road
to
have
balconies,
so
we
at
least
have
some
of
that
outside
area.
AM
AM
But
what
I
did
look
at
and
I
wanted
to
point
out
is
that,
besides
the
square,
the
the
size
of
the
square
footage
of
a
balcony
I
did
give
credit
for
the
square
footage
if
it's
internal,
if
it's
external
I
did
not-
and
that
was
that
was
just
because
if,
if
you're
going
with
a
with
a
front
setback
or
a
a
facade,
that's
flush
and
it
goes
internal
towards
the
inside
of
the
building.
I
counted
that
as
towards
it
towards
the
inside.
AM
G
Z
AM
AM
C
F
C
Yeah
in
terms
of
what
you
can
and
can't
do
live
local
as
the
vice
mayor
points
out,
does
substantially
limit,
but
it
does
require
it
being
mixed
use.
The
project
has
to
have
mixed
use,
there's
a
minimum
I
think
of
65
percent
and
if
you
I
was
I've
been
asked
this
question
before.
If
you
had
a
project
well,
we
want
to
do
a
hundred
percent
of
of
the
affordable
housing.
No
because
mixed
means
mixed,
but
how
much
mixed
is
the
key
I?
C
Z
A
Z
C
AM
Well,
the
existing
use
the
existing
developments
that
already
are
built
they
they're
already
built.
They
aren't
going
to
go
more
than
20
more
than
they
most
of
them
are
15
units
per
acre.
They
can't
put
25
units
break
unless
they
added
on
to
the
you
know
the
the
top,
so
they
are
gonna.
They
aren't
gonna
redo
their
PD
to
add
more
units.
If
it's
already
built.
Z
AM
Z
AM
AM
AM
G
C
Critical
thing:
is
they,
if
you
use
the
traditional
definition
of
mixed
use,
I'll
say
it
like:
like
the
courts
say
it
I,
don't
care
what
you
call
it
I
care
what
it
is.
So
what
is
it?
And
so
because
I
was
asked
this
question
by
another
well-known
and
board
certified
City.
What
did
I
think
about
PDS
and
I
said
well.
C
Pds
are
not
always
mixed
use,
but
they
can
be
in
kind
of
that's
the
point.
So
they
need
to
take
a
look
at
this
from
a
lot
of
different
perspectives,
and
it
seems
to
me
that
the
one
that
they
looked
at
most
of
is,
we
need
more
affordable
housing,
but
they
didn't
look
at
the
one
where
that
makes
the
way
they've
done.
It
creates
a
real
problem
for
governments
to
control
not
only
growth
but
the
location
of
growth.
So
it's
a
problem.
I
hope
they
fix
it.
I
don't
know.
AM
The
other
thing
that
the
staff
was
looking
at
regarding
the
the
PD
and
being
able
to
do
a
mixed-use
product
is
that
we
were
getting
a
lot
of
people
that
were
coming
in
a
lot
of
developed
potential
developers
that
were
they
wanted
to
use
the
PD
as
a
mechanism
to
basically
avoid
code
for
the
other
land
land
or
the
other
Land
Development
codes
mixed
use.
If
they
wanted
it
to
go
higher,
they
wanted
to
make
the
units
smaller,
they
would
they'd
say
well,
let's
do
a
PD
and
then
we
can
write
it.
AM
Z
I
mean
it's
a
blessing
and
a
curse
right
exactly
when
we
had
PUD
still
on
the
Land
Development
code.
Pud
was
more
prescriptive.
It
talked
about
how
you
know
you
shouldn't:
go
below
70
feet
wide
Lots,
but
if
you
do
it
can't
be
a
certain
percentage
Yeah
and
on
developments
that
I
voted
against,
because
that
was
it
violated
the
spirit
of
the
Pud.
At
the
time
the
the
feedback
was
always
well.
Pud
and
PD
is
really
just
to
kind
of
legislate.
Z
Your
own
Land
Development
code,
anyways
on
a
on
a
development
by
development
basis
right
and
if
that's
the
case
again,
there's
nothing
that
would
preclude
someone
that
has
a
PD
zoning
classification
from
coming
to
the
city.
It's
saying,
Hey
I
want
to
do
a
mixed
use.
Product
I
want
residential
I
want
non-residential
that
wouldn't
preclude
them
from
doing
so,
because
our
our
PD
Land
Development
code
doesn't
say
anything.
It
doesn't
restrict
that
yeah.
A
AM
B
Z
AM
I
I
I
I
left
I
left
that
term
out,
because
there
was
a
few
quite
a
few
different
terms
and
I
didn't
want
to
have
to
use
a
in
actual
term.
The
closest
one
that
I
found
was
a
luxury
balcony.
That
was
big,
and
that
was
the
only
one
that
I
that
I
had
I.
I
didn't
get
a
terminal,
a
term
from
any
research
that
they
called
out
a
what
I
I
guess
you
could
call
it
a
normal
balcony.
So.
B
G
AK
A
AM
D
AD
Z
O
G
A
J
Ordinance
number
3022
an
ordinance
of
the
city
of
City
Council
of
the
city
of
Apopka
Florida,
amending
the
code
of
ordinances
of
the
city
of
Apopka
Florida
by
amending
chapter
18,
building
and
building
regulations.
Section
18-49
by
amending
the
rejection
or
correction
notices,
fees
providing
for
codification
providing
for
separability
providing
for
conflicts
and
setting
an
effective
date.
AM
They
adopted
this.
This
is
part
of
the
staff
report.
Part
of
the
ordinance
chapter
120
for
the
local
government
is
supposed
to
actually
impose
a
fee
four
times
the
fee
for
the
initial
inspection,
so
the
secondary
inspection
was
supposed
to
be
50
bucks,
so
basically
you're
when
you're,
when
you're
going
out
to
do
a
reinspection
fee,
it's
supposed
to
be
400
or
200
so,
and
we
can't
make
any
other
changes
until
I
believe
it's
October
2024..
So
this
is
one
that
we're
actually
supposed
to
be
doing.
AM
G
C
AM
G
B
I
J
Ordinance
number
3024
an
ordinance
of
the
city
of
Apopka
Florida
to
extend
its
Territorial
and
Municipal
limits
to
Annex
pursuant
to
Florida
statute.
171.044
the
here
and
after
described,
land
situated
and
being
in
Orange
County
Florida
owned
by
SNP
Properties
LLC,
located
on
the
Southeast
corner
of
Plymouth,
Sorrento
Road
and
downman
drive
comprising
five
acres,
more
or
less
providing
for
directions
to
the
city,
clerk,
severability
conflicts
and
an
effective
date.
Gene.
Y
Sanchez
with
a
Community
Development
Department
is
so
request
accept
the
first
reading
of
ordinance
number
3024
annexing
the
SNP
properties.
The
subject
properties
are
located
in
the
Southeast
corner
of
Plymouth
Sorrento
Road
and
downman
drive
approximately
five
acres
in
size
and
contiguous
to
the
city
limits
on
the
Western
Southern
boundaries
assignment
of
City,
future
land
use
and
Zoning
designations
will
occur
at
a
later
date
and
through
action
by
the
city
council.
The
DRC
recommends
approval.
G
Any
questions
for
Gene
anybody
from
public
wishes
to
speak
on
this
matter,
not
we'll
close.
The
public
hearing,
promotion
to
approve
ordinance,
number
3024,
first
reading
and
holdover
for
a
second
reading
and
adoption.
So
most
of
my
commissioner
Nesta
second
second
by
commissioner
Velasquez,
all
those
in
favor
aye
all
opposed
motion,
Gary's
Nemesis.
Next
up
on
our
resolution,
2023-27
resolution.
AQ
Good
evening,
mayor
Commissioners
Josh
Robinson
Public
Services,
presenting
resolution
2023-27
requesting
an
increase
in
the
carbside
residential
collection
and
Disposal,
and
Commercial
collection
and
disposal
of
solid
waste
to
cover
increased
operating
expenses
due
to
increased
population,
the
rising
cost
of
labor
fuel
disposal
and
other
operating
expense.
The
the
pr
the
attachment
you
have
is
a
about
10
percent
increase
over
last
year's
and
I
can
answer
any
questions
any.
AH
G
AK
O
O
G
O
A
G
G
Yes,
yes,
you
know,
while
we're
on
this
kind
of
topic,
one
of
the
things
we
we
want
to
be
aware
of
is
right
now,
so
we've
got
the
Orange
County
piece.
Let's
say
it's
South
Apopka,
it's
also
North
Apopka.
Where
we've
got,
we
have
the
the
water
and
reclaimed
water
and
sewer
if
they
have
it,
but
maybe
they
don't
have
some
of
their
own
septic
tanks
right
now,
we're
not
getting
any
fees
for
people
that
are
on
septic
tanks,
but
yet
they
fall
under
a
b
map.
G
We've
got
those
neighborhoods
outside
of
the
city,
but
in
our
service
area,
so
we're
not
getting
any
property
tax,
but
they
are
they're
not
paying
anything
toward
us
ever
meeting
that
b-man.
So
at
some
point
we
need
to
have
the
County
residents
that
that
are
getting
water
and
reclaimed
water,
but
are
on
a
septic
tank.
That's
hurting
our
Beam
app.
Somehow
we
need
to.
They
need
to
step
up
and
help
us
to
solve
the
bmap,
which
we've
got.
G
We've
got
four
five
year
Cycles
we
got,
we've
got
the
first
five
years
we'll
meet
easily,
because
our
our
wastewater
treatment
plan
is
second
to
none.
But
as
you
go
into
the
second
and
the
third
and
the
fourth
five-year
trance,
it
becomes
much
more
difficult
for
us
to
reach
it
with.
We
can't
reach
it
just
with
our
wastewater
treatment
plant.
G
AE
Way,
responsibility
for
Northwest
Orange
County
for
utility
services.
So
that's
why
it
gets
put
over
here
that
there
was
an
agreement
reach
back
in
the
2000s
that
we
would
take
the
North.
Excuse
me:
the
Northwest
portion
of
Orange
County
as
the
utility
Service
District
and
they're
in
our
service
District.
Well,.
G
Correct
the
problem,
I
couldn't
argue
any
any
better,
exactly
so,
but
I
just
it.
It's
something
we
need
to
at
some
point
we
need
to
address
with
Orange
County
is
that
you
know
they're
getting
our
services
but
they're,
not
helping
us
to
meet
that
bmap
at
some
point
down
down
the
you
know
down
the
line
because
the
you
know
the
on-site
system
is
15.5,
which
right
now
we're
getting
you
know.
AJ
G
B
G
We've
we've
got
10
years,
probably
before
it
will
become
a
start
to
become
a
problem,
but
but
now
you're
talking.
So
if
it
Advanced
Wastewater
we're
you
know,
we're
I
mean.
Excuse
me
at
the
distributed
Wastewater
we're
at
let's
say
80
and
one
thing
we've
done
is
we
try
to
get
that
nailed
down.
Dp
now
is
giving
us
I.
Think
it's
80,
85
percent.
Do
you
remember
what
it's
80,
85
percent
credit
I,
think
for
going
to
the
distributed
Wastewater
system
like
and-
and
we
got
a
glen.
G
G
Z
G
Z
AJ
Good
afternoon,
Henry
Thomas
vice
president
ref
Talus
well
I'm
here
today
this
afternoon,
to
speak
to
this
because
I
want
to
offer
you
apologies
for
the
confusion
that
was
caused.
The
the
the
message
that
was
sent
was
at
my
urging
I
worked
with
Blanche.
She
was
trying
to
prepare
her
notice.
I
said:
let
us
prepare
you.
A
table.
I
was
trying
to
be
helpful,
make
sure
we
got
it
right
and
ironically,
it
had
this
footnote
in
there
now.
AJ
I
just
want
to
give
the
folks
out
there,
information
to
know
you've
never
had
an
outside
C
surcharge.
In
a
long
long
time
you
negotiated
with
Orange
County
that
won't
allow
you
to
have
a
surcharge.
Now
it
was
not
included
in
our
rate,
in
our
revenues
and
our
analysis,
so
I
basically-
and
it's
a
you
know-
I've
been
doing
this
for
y'all
for
20
years
and
40
years.
I
don't
like
to
make
these
mistakes.
This
is
very
painful
for
me
to
have
to
to
deal
with
this,
but
so
I
agree
with
you.
AJ
AJ
P
Well
with
that
said,
it's
a
lot
of
people
that
only
communication
they
get
they
get
through
the
mail,
and
it's
still
people
confused
about
that.
Although
it
ain't
the
city
responsibility
for
your
mistake,
Maybe,
you
ought
to
try
to
correct
it
by
sending
out
some
mail
to
the
people
just
get
mail
with
that.
It.
P
P
How
how
do
that
sound
with
every
time,
annexation
or
anything,
come
up
about
South
Apopka?
You
always
got
to
come
up
with
a
fire
truck.
You
got
to
buy
this.
This
is
this
astronomic,
the
cost
of
the
city
that
these
people
are
going
to
put
a
drag
on
the
city,
and
you
have
the
audacity
to
sit
there
and
say
that
the
people
does
not
using
sewer
in
Apopka,
got
to
turn
around
and
help
consider
what
they'd
be
about
man.
X
X
It's
currently
half
full
there's,
never
a
water
pump
through
it,
because
you
don't
have
the
pumps
set
to
it.
Just
now,
it's
directly
behind
my
property.
It's
been
full
for
the
last
year
and
for
the
last
year
we've
had
nothing
but
mosquitoes.
The
fact
of
the
matter
is
the
city
isn't
treating
150
million
gallons
of
water
that
sits
behind
me.
So
we're
going
to
speak
about
City
obligations
and
City
finances.
X
Let's
make
sure
somebody's
paid
to
treat
the
water
please,
and
while
we're
going
to
muddy
some
more
water
as
far
as
brain
goes,
I
find
it
difficult
to
understand
why
I
received
a
water
bill
whenever
well.
I
find
it
hard
to
realize
why
one
city
resident
had
a
technician
turned
up
to
repair
a
water
when
she's
in
a
well.
S
S
Why
did
we
have
to
go
and
take
on
the
issue
when
it
comes
to
the
water?
So
it's
like
if
you're
going
to
own
your
own,
if
you're
not
then
get
out,
let
that
Orange
County
handle
everything.
Why
do
we
have
to
do
the
water
issue?
So
that's
why
I'm
looking
back
at
history?
Why
was
this?
What
what
happened?
S
S
O
Again,
you
know
that
this
is
the
operating
fund
and
the
Planned
increase
for
the
study
that
was
provided
was
like
3.5
to
13.5
and
3.5.
So
the
only
difference
than
what
was
originally
planned
is,
instead
of
it
being
a
3.5
for
water
and
reclaim
is
six
percent
so
again
we're
close
to
a
deficit
basis
for
this
fund
anyway.
G
G
O
Think
it
was
October
of
last
year,
I'm,
sorry
at
the
3.5
and
for
the
six.
Whatever
the
plan
was
is
indicated
there
for
23.
and
then
we're
now
in
the
24
year
and
we're
just
changing
the
plan
increase
as
I
just
mentioned
from
that
3.5
to
6.
But
the
13.5
was
indeed
a
plan
and
the
six
percent
for
the
reclaim.
O
A
Z
AJ
So
we
did
a
study
for
a
utility
in
South
East
Florida.
They
had
a
pretty
rigorous
Capital
plan.
We
convinced
the
commission
to
adopt
some
pretty
significant
rate
increases,
which
they
were
supportive
of,
because
the
infrastructure
needs
were
there.
However,
when
and
they
were
going
to
do
a
bond
issue
and
they
did
a
reimbursement
resolution
so
that
they
could
go
ahead
and
start
a
few
projects
before
they
got
the
bond
money.
AJ
So
it's
a
really
tough
time
right
now
and
I
would
venture
to
say
that,
even
though
this
rate
study,
you're
adopting
today
is
is
pretty
current,
the
times
have
changed
quite
a
bit
since
last
fall.
Unfortunately,
so
we're
going
to
take
another
quick
look
at
it
to
make
sure
you
do
have
the
revenues
you
need
and.
AJ
Well,
you
know
in
in
the
best
of
circumstances,
we're
able
to
keep
it
somewhat
close
to
inflation,
but
the
utilities
that
used
to
be
at
two
to
three
percent
a
year
are
now
at
five
to
six
percent.
You
know:
I've
worked
with
the
city
of
Titusville
for
20
years
every
year,
it's
two
to
three
percent
this
year.
It's
six
percent!
So
again,
there's
a
lot
more
pressure
at
the
moment
and
a
lot
of
it
is
our
Outlook,
because
we
don't
plan
these
that
we
plant
we
have
to
plan
ahead.
AJ
So
we
have
to
make
some
assumptions
about
future
costs
and
that's
where
it's
it's
getting
difficult
to
to
make
sure
that
you've
covered
yourself.
The
only
the
only
real
strategy
that
works
for
sure
is,
if
you
just
if
you're
so
conservative,
that
you
sit
them
set
them
higher
than
they
need
to
be
with
the
idea
that
well,
the
money
stays
in
the
fund.
It
isn't
going
to
go
anywhere
and
get
used
for
something
else,
but
otherwise
you're,
subject
to
you
know
and
again
with
these
financings.
AJ
If
you've
got
projects
that
you
said
were
essential
and
you
need
to
finance,
and
now
you
can
only
do
60
percent
of
them.
You
know
that's
a
that's
a
tough
thing
to
swallow,
so
we're
gonna
be
looking
at
the
capital
funding
for
the
water
system.
I
think
you
know,
the
Wastewater
system
with
the
13
and
a
half
percent
increases
are
probably
in
a
little
better
shape
than
what
water's
looking
like
right
now
Sean
did
you
have
a
chance
to
find
that
rate
history?
AP
What
I
have
on
file?
There
was
a
rate
increase
previously
sure
sorry,
Sean,
Ocasio,
rafthouse
financial
consultants,
I'm
a
manager
there
so
with
respect
to
a
prior
rate,
increases
that
there
was
one
done
for
for
the
23
recommendation
that
we
had,
and
this
would
be
the
24.
That
would
be
the
the
one
that's
being
proposed,
with
the
differentiation
being
going
from
three
and
a
half
percent
on
water
and
reclaim
to
six.
K
AJ
One
other
piece
you
might
I
might
remind
you
of
when
we
did
the
workshop.
The
13
and
a
half
sewer
is
the
overall
Revenue
impact.
But
if
you
recall,
when
we
did
one-on-ones
and
workshops,
I
pointed
out
to
you
that
your
commercial
customers
comparatively
were
paying
a
lot
less
than
other
communities,
because
you
had
no
base
charge
in
the
commercial
rates.
AJ
It
well
had
a
base
charge,
but
it
was
the
same
whether
you
were
a
small
customer,
whether
you
had
a
lot
of
capacity
need,
and
so
the
the
overall
non-commercial
rates
are
going
to
go
up.
Only
about
eight
and
a
half
percent.
The
commercial
rates
are
going
to
go
up.
What
was
the
number
Sean
for
the
overall
commercial
impact.
H
No
I,
just
you
know,
I
think
it's
I've,
gotten
multiple
calls
and
emails
just
about
this.
This
direct
directly
affects
people
from
the
day
to
day
this
affects
their
income.
This
affects
the
food
on
their
table,
so
it's
not
definitely
not
something
we
can
take
lightly
and
it's
it's
important.
We
have
to
take
such
big
leaps
to
get
this
to
where
it
needs
to
be,
because
with.
Z
Z
Z
O
Operating
costs
in
future
Capital
needs
that
are
constantly
increasing,
similar
to
probably
what
Josh
mentioned
in
regards
to
sanitation.
You
know
your
salaries
and
wages
are
going
up.
If
we
want
to
proceed
with
some
of
those
capital
projects,
the
cost
of
those
projects
are
going
up.
How
we
fund
those
projects
are
critical
as
well
who
you're
Mr,
Henry,
so
I.
AH
AJ
Now,
every
time
we
do
one
of
these
studies,
we
try
to
determine
what
each
system
should
pay
to
stand
alone.
So
Wastewater
customers
pay,
Wastewater
costs,
water
customers
pay
water
costs,
and
so
it
was
really
in
my
view
anyway.
Yeah
operations
were
inflating,
but
it
was
also
the
ketchup
of
the
Wastewater
rates
to
the
costs
over
the
prior
five
years.
We
didn't
quite
keep
Pace
with
that
last
rate
path
because
that
plant
came
in
so
much
more
expensive
than
we
had
anticipated.
Z
AJ
And
right
now,
you've
got
a
capital
plan
like
I
said
it
may
be
a
little
out
of
date,
but
one
of
the
first
things
we
do
when
we,
when
we
build
these
these
rate
plans.
We
look
at
your
operating
budget.
We
try
to
be
reasonable
if
you've
got
like
a
high
vacancy
rate
and
control
for
things
like
that,
but
the
main
driver
is
capital,
and
so
the
question
right
now
is
we're
concerned
that,
given
the
cash
flow,
we're
seeing
it's
not
going
to
be
adequate
to
do
those
kinds
of
things
on
the
Wastewater
side.
Z
What
I'm,
getting
what
I'm
ultimately
getting
on
is
I
need
assurances
that
this
is
more
of
a
capital
play
than
an
Opex
Play
Because
us
to
be
able
to
defend
that
two
residents.
To
your
point,
commissioner
Nesta,
that
are,
that
are
sensitive
rate
sensitive
to
say
that
it's
transferring
from
one
person
to
another
person
is
a
much
taller
cell
than
saying
hey
the
the
money
that
you're
putting
into
this
system
is
to
make
sure
that
your
lift
Stations
don't
fail.
Z
Z
G
G
B
G
D
Oh
here
it
is
okay.
We
had
a
nice
break
in
between
the
last
Council
and
this
one,
so
that
was
good.
I
mean
I.
Looked
at
my
calendar
to
see
what
were
some
of
the
things
we
did,
that
we
kind
of
promoted
the
city.
So
on
Wednesday
on
August
23rd,
we
did
the
installation
of
the
fire
department
plaque
over
at
the
911
memorial,
which
added
the
names
of
our
Fallen
firefighters,
which
was
Armando
borjas
and
Austin
Duran,
and
then
on
Tuesday
Harmon
Road.
D
D
So
that's
pretty
much
it.
We
had
a
nice
break
in
between
that
allowed.
Many
of
us
to
kind
of
you
know,
take
a
little
vacation
and
I
enjoyed
that
I
got
to
do
something
I
hadn't
done
in
a
few
months,
and
that
was
to
go
down
to
South
Apopka
and
spend
some
time
with
my
grandchildren
and
and
celebrate
a
birthday
down
there
with
my
granddaughter
so
I
enjoyed
that
and
with
that
I'll
I'll
yield
Mr.
Z
Rebecca
yeah
so
first
and
I
was
brought
up
during
public
comment.
In
fact,
the
median
minutes
I
thought
we
agreed
the
last
council
meeting
that
it
was
going
to
be
part
of
the
public
agenda
for
the
charter
review
discussion
so
that
people
from
the
public
would
be
able
to
put
their
their
opinions
in
it
was
approved
in
the
minutes.
It
just
wasn't
on
the
agenda
so
again.
Z
Z
So
at
this
stage,
since
it
wasn't
put
on
the
agenda
I'm,
assuming
that
was
done
on
purpose,
are
we
just
looking
for
General
consensus
up
here
again,
I'm
not
married
to
the
idea
that
this
has
to
be
done
in
two
hours
and
over
two
meetings
and
things
like
that.
But
let's
all
agree
on
what
the
right,
the
right
path
to
proper
discussion
is,
and
let's
set
a
course.
H
Well,
I
thought
that
was
the
point
of
having
it
on
the
agenda
that
we
can
hear
public
comments
and
public
input
things
like
that
and
then
make
a
decision
moving
forward
from
there
that
that
was
my
understanding
of
what
we
were
going
to
be
doing
on
this
meeting.
So
so
I'm
I'm
lost
at
where
we
go
from
here.
C
Whatever
here
I
have
provided-
and
maybe
we
just
need
to
discuss
it
and
I
can
wait
to
my
report
or
we
can
do
it
now,
but
the
bottom
line
is
their
methods.
One
method
was
talked
about
from
the
podium
I've
explained,
but
happy
to
explain
again.
Why
I
don't
think
it's
the
best
method
and
I
can
use
examples
from
that
very
commission
she's
talking
about
why?
C
If
you
do
it
with
citizens
or
you
do
it
yourselves
or
some
combination,
we
got
to
then
Target,
okay,
when
do
you
want
it
on
a
ballot
and
then
work
back
from
that
date
because,
as
I
said,
if
you
want
it
on
for
the
March
election,
December
12th
is
a
hard
deadline.
That
means
the
review
has
to
be
completed.
The
ordinance
has
to
be
drafted.
The
report
has
to
be
written
and
you
all
have
to
send
it
to
two
through
two
meetings
to
get
it
on
the
ballot.
C
So
that's
really
a
fast
one,
but
if
you
look
at
it
next
year
or
you
know
the
next
cycle-
that's
a
different
situation-
we
have
a
longer
window,
it
shouldn't
take
as
long
as,
for
example,
she
mentioned
18
months
or
even
three
months,
but
that's
up
to
you
guys
you
can
take
as
long
with
it
as
you
want.
As
you
know,
it's
not
a
long
Charter.
Z
Do
you
want
well
I
mean
the
reason
why
we
stopped
or
truncated
the
conversation
last
meeting
was
you
wanted
to
put
it
on
the
public
agenda,
so
we
could
hear
public
comment,
and
so
that
was
what
truncated
our
conversation
before
I'm
still
uncertain
about
the
the
will
of
my
colleagues.
You
know
whether
or
not
I
mean
the
first
decision
to
make
is
whether
or
not
we
feel
it's
appropriate
to
do
a
council-led
charter
review.
That's
our
first
hurdle.
Z
C
Z
A
P
C
Let
me
let
me
explain
the
situation
and
I
can
use
literally
the
example
that
is
occurring
right
now,
because
I
just
did
the
ordinance
for
Eatonville
after
you
know
a
couple
three
months
long
review
and
they
had
just
initially
decided,
as
as
you
all
had
heard
me
discuss
to
do.
A
council
LED
review,
which
always
includes
public
period,
always
invites
the
public
to
comment
on
whatever
sections
are
on
the
agenda,
provide
their
own
input
regarding
check,
sections
or
things
they
think
should
be
added
or
changed
so
that
never
goes
away.
It's
like.
C
We
have
an
extended
public
period
today
about
all
kinds
of
things
that
were
not
on
the
agenda
only
on
a
charter
view,
that's
based
on
okay
articles,
one
through
three
or
whatever
happens
to
be
on
that
night,
and
they
can
explain
or
whatever
they
want
to
do
so
that
it
doesn't
get
rid
of
the
citizen
participation.
But
to
the
point
in
that
process,
which
you
should
expect,
and
you
heard
some
of
it
tonight,
they
got
pushback
from
citizenry.
C
Who
said
we
should
be
involved,
and
this
should
be
a
citizen-led
deal
and
I
explained,
as
I
explained
to
you,
that
when
that
happens,
things
get
out
of
control
in
a
hurry.
So
they
decided,
notwithstanding
that
they
were
already
done
with
all
the
articles
of
the
charter,
but
they
decided
to
create
a
citizen,
Advisory
Board,
to
go
through
the
charter
and
they
did
I
met
with
them
all.
We
had
the
same
three
or
four
meetings.
C
We
had
a
parking
lot
for
issues
they
couldn't
decide
and
at
the
end
they
only
came
agreed
on
one
issue
that
they
wanted
on
the
ballot.
In
addition
to
the
ones
that
already
been
decided
on
by
Council.
That
issue
was
term
limits.
On
the
meeting
Tuesday
night.
They
decided
they
weren't
going
to
put
that
on
the
ballot.
So
the
one
thing
the
citizens
asked
for
after
the
multi-week
review
that
they
LED
through
the
citizens,
Advisory
Board,
the
council,
said
yeah.
No.
C
Z
H
Z
There
was
news
media
that
were
interviewing
the
mayor
at
the
time
he
made
a
comment.
I
disagree
with
the
comment.
We
won't
argue
the
points
of
that
comment,
but
the
reporter
that
was
interviewing,
the
maritime.
It
was
a
channel
13
reporter
by
the
name
of
this
Maria
Serrano
chapter
on
the
shoulder
just
said:
hey
make
sure
that
you
fact
check
what
he's
saying.
That's
it
never
called
the
mayor
a
liar,
never
implied
or
said
the
things
that
were
were
mentioned
within
that
quote.
That
was
in
the
pocket
Chief
last
Friday.
Z
But
there's
there's
this
idea
that
you
know,
because
we're
we're
getting
into
some
contentious
conversations
during
the
city
council
reports
that
this
council
is
not
doing
the
business
of
the
city.
I
would
argue
that
we've
spent
the
last
I,
don't
know
five
hours
doing
the
business
of
the
city
I'm,
taking
up
about
a
10
minute
piece
of
time
to
make
sure,
because
there's
plenty
of
time
to
do
the
right
thing
you
know
and
I,
don't
think
the
business
of
the
city
is
being
sacrificed
at
all.
Z
If
what
we're
doing
up
here
is
what
we
feel
is
right.
Another
concern
that
I
did
have
you
know.
Obviously
we
got
to
the
point
where
the
city
administrator
candidate
was
being
brought
forth
for
interviews
with
different
Commissioners
I
I,
find
it
very
concerning
the
manner
by
which
he
was
told
that
he
was
not
going
to
be
honored
with
the
offer
that
he
had
already
accepted.
Z
Hopefully
he
hasn't,
hopefully
that
hasn't
put
us
at
risk
because
I,
you
know,
we've
got
employment
law
to
consider,
but
I
just
thought
that
was
kind
of
a
not
a
popular
way
to
deal
with
that
in
terms
of
open
positions.
Economic
development,
director
and
I
see
that
it's
not
posted
any
longer.
Where
do
we
stand
with
that?
When.
G
AH
AH
Z
In
terms
of
like
we
have
some
sort
of
action
to
be
taking
at
this
point
in
time.
So
I
just
want
to
set
the
record
straight
there,
like
all
the
activity
that's
happening
currently
to
what
Mr
McSweeney
was
talking
about
and
other
people
on.
The
HOA
board
is
between
private
envies.
At
this
point,
so
from
a
governmental
perspective
from
what
we
would
play
as
city
council,
I
mean
it's
nowhere.
Z
On
the
short-term
Horizon,
in
my
opinion,
I
think
there
was
also
the
information
I
was
talking
about
before,
where
you
know
like
the
like.
The
governor
has
preempted.
All
you
know,
home
rule
powers
vested
in
local
city
councils
and
I.
Don't
think
that's
the
case
that
that
piece
of
land
is
a
PD
and
the
conversation
that
we
were
talking
about
before.
Z
If
we
would
have
taken
that
action
earlier,
that
would
have
hamstrung
us
a
bit
as
it
was
as
it
relates
to
live
local,
but
as
it
stands
right
now,
it's
not
a
mixed
residential
use.
It's
a
PD
but
again
I
just
think
that
the
really
The
Tipping
Point
is
going
to
be
whether
or
not
the
FWC
lifts
the
Perpetual
conservation
easement,
which
is
outside
of
our
hands.
So.
F
Z
Again,
we
always
kind
of
gravitate
towards
it
being
just
the
portions
of
south
of
Hopkin
unincorporated,
Orange
County.
If
we
surveyed
the
population,
it
could
be
a
lot
of
other
areas
within
the
county
that
aren't
within
the
city
limits,
but
directly
above
it
on
our
kind
of
jagged
edges.
If
you
will
and
there's
a
way
that
there's
ways
that
we
can
do,
it
I
mean.
Z
Obviously,
if
we,
if
we
mailed
out
surveys
with
unique
QR
codes,
that
people
can't
kind
of
it
goes
to
one
household
and
they
provide
their
responses
or
for
people
that
aren't
online,
they
can
drop
them
off
at
a
secure
box
here
at
City,
Hall
or
some
some
manner.
But
you
know
the
times
that
we've
had
the
workshops
on
this
topic.
It
devolves
into
an
immediate
kind
of
dollars
and
cents
conversation
versus
surveying
the
the
residents
in
Orange
County
to
say:
do
you
have
pain
points
today?
What
are
they
if
does?
Z
Moving
to
the
city,
address
those
pain
points,
and
let
us
make
a
more
Rich
idea
of
how
do
we
tell
them
the
value
proposition?
Because,
right
now
we
try
and
go
the
the
two
or
three
workshops
that
we've
had
on
it.
It
just
met
with
with
budding
heads
versus
we
don't
come
at
it
with
any
sort
of
real
consistent,
empirical
data
or.
Z
Because
what
what's
going
to
happen-
and
and
this
is
my
opinion
right-
play
out
absent
us
doing
any
survey
and
if
we
just
went
and
said
as
a
council
right
now
and
we
took
a
vote
of
doing
an
annexation
by
ordinance
majority
vote.
If
we
did
that
and
it
passed
and
it
gets
onto
a
ballot
at
some
point,
what
is
your
all's
feel
of
whether
or
not
that
would
pass
or
not
right
now,
because
my
feeling
is
based
off
of
the
interactions
that
we've
had
thus
far
is
it's
a
50
50
toss?
Z
I
would
actually
err
on
the
side
of
failure
and
the
reason
why
I
think
that
is,
is
that
these
conversations
again
go
to
the
dollars
and
cents
before
we
talk
about
value
proposition
and
I
know
that
people
have
their
opinions
about
doing
that
or
not
I
mean
we've
heard
it
here
in
council
chambers,
I
forget
it,
but
I
think
that
would
make
a
better
opportunity
for
us
to
really
understand.
You
know
if
this
thing
is
worth
exploring
and
getting
on
the
ballot
to
make
sure
that
it
passes.
G
H
H
I,
don't
think
the
survey
is
the
right
route.
I
think
it's
having
somebody!
That's
an
independent
third
party
come
in
and
meet
community
members
where
they're
at
have
a
a
set
schedule
and
and
well
documented
and
funded
to
Market
correctly,
when
they're
going
to
be
at
what
place
to
take
in
and
have
a
conversation
not
cost
based,
but
just
Community
Based.
What
does
your
community
need?
Just
not
even
if
you're
going
to
Annex
where's
some
great
things
that
you
love
about
Community,
where
are
some
improvements?
Does
annexation
fix
those
improvements?
H
Z
So
maybe
a
maybe
we're
saying
the
same
thing,
so
you
send
that
with
the
opportunity
to
return
it
either
physically
or
in
digital
form,
but
at
the
same
time
also
hosting
another
Workshop
that
explores
specifically
that
piece,
not
a.
Let
me
talk
about
budget
and
barf
a
whole
bunch
of
budget
numbers
on
you,
it's
more
about.
What
are
your
pain
points?
What's
the
value
proposition
of
City
versus
County?
Well,
so
I
don't
think.
H
We
should
be
involved
in
that
process
at
all.
I
think
it
should
be
an
independent
third
party
that
goes
into
the
community
so
that
it's
not
a
political
thing.
It's
it.
It
goes
in
I'm
all
about
the
survey
that,
if
we
don't
do
it
no
problem,
it's
just
I've.
We've
all
talked
to
individuals
throughout
this
whole
process
and
and
some
people
think
that
it's
a
land
grab
that
we
are
trying
to
steal
land
that
we
can
then
foreclose
on
and
then
I
can
sell
it
and
build
a
multi-family
property
on
it.
H
B
That
particular
issue
there
are
companies
that
that's
the
Atlanta
dude
is
to
doing
workshops
for
these
types
of
things
to
do
to
study
and
so
I
just
think
we
just
need
to
appropriate
the
money.
Have
a
company
come
in
and
do
a
study
and
then
accept
whatever
the
report
is
and
move
forward.
We
keep
talking
about
we're
going
to
advise
the
questions.
We
don't
know
what
questions
to
ask
and
and
how
to
go
about
conducting
it.
B
Z
Hey
I,
all
supportive
of
that
I
mean
what
I
want
is
just
the
outcome.
You
know,
we've
we've
gone
down
a
path
where
the
idea
of
annexation
has
been
discussed.
I
think
we
need
to
get
to
a
place
where
we
make
a
decision
point
on
it
and
make
the
best
decision
possible.
So
I
completely
agree
the
decision
just
to
put
it
on
the
ballot
not
put
on
the
ballot
or
support
or
not
because
again
putting
on
the
ballot.
Z
You
need
to
to
understand
whether
it's
gonna
this
comes
out
the
wrong
way,
but
not
a
waste
of
time,
but
it's
the
best
use
of
time
to
make
sure
that
if
we
put
on
the
ballot,
we're
all
equipped
as
a
council
to
say
here
are
the
the
value
points
of
the
value
proposition
of
doing
that.
Something
like
that
and
we're
able
to
articulate
that
to
the
voters
that
are
going
to
vote
on
this
one.
H
G
AM
G
G
G
Z
G
B
This
is
going
to
be
my
only
question
in
reference
to
the
annexation
as
well,
so
I
think
we're
going
in
the
right
direction,
and
the
other
item
was
that
was
mentioned
at
our
last
commissioner
meeting
in
reference
to
Columbus
Day
what
we
grew
about,
renaming
it
to
indicative
State
instead
of
Columbus
Day,
and
so
we
mentioned
at
the
last
meeting.
But
we
didn't
make
a
decision
as
to
what
our
opinions
were
one
way
or
the
other,
and
so
I
think
that
warrant.
Some
discussion.
B
Z
AD
D
That's
it
I
mean
Apopka
was
founded
by
indigenous
I,
mean
everything
about
Apopka
started
with
indigenous,
and
it's
something
that
at
this
level,
local
level,
it
can
be
changed
and
celebrated
I.
Don't
I,
don't
see
a
problem.
We
would
at
least
recognize
because
I
mean
we
go
to
the
Popcaan
Museum
and
everything
about
our
history
here
is
started
with
indigenous
Native
Americans
so
and
we've
never
really
recognized
it
and
kind
of
celebrated
that
and
honored
them.
So
if
it's
something
for
us
locally,
I
I,
don't
see
a
problem
with
that
Mr
Nestle.
H
No
I
completely.
That's
why
I
brought
it
up
last
last
meeting
it's
it's
there's
a
lot
of
historical
context
too,
how
we
got
to
from
Columbus
Day
and
why
I
think
it's
a
little
more
appropriate,
that's
an
indigenous
people's
day,
so
yeah
I
think
we
should
definitely
do
it.
I
don't
know
if
it
needs
to
be
a
noticed
thing
or
someone
can
just
make
happen
tonight.
C
There's
no
reason
that
you
can't
do
it
tonight.
The
reason
you
might
want
to
do
it
a
different
night
for
public
considerations
is
because
it
wasn't
on
the
agenda,
but
it
you
can
always
I
mean
the
IR.
The
irony
of
Sunshine
Law
is
while
it
requires
meetings
to
be
publicly
noticed,
10
minutes
and
kept
in
all
of
that
stuff.
It
doesn't
even
require
you
to
have
an
agenda.
So
legally,
you
can
proceed
whether
it's
you
should
or
not.
It's
up
to
you.
C
H
So
to
I'm
gonna
jump
around
a
lot
on
this
I'm
going
to
be
giving
a
copy
of
a
text
that
I
was
that
I
received
the
day
after
I,
advocated
for
just
an
across
the
board
fiscal
review
from
a
local
Banker.
So
the
city
clerk
will
be
entering
that
into
the
minutes
to
make
sure
that
she
has
that,
and
it's
just
it's
an
additional
threat
that
whether
or
not
you
feel
it's
a
threat.
H
I
do
it's
and
it's
been
escalated
to
other
institutes
as
well
to
make
sure
that
this
is
looked
into
and
it's
not
acceptable
that
anybody
receives
threats,
let
alone
elected
officials,
so
I'll
be
providing
that
to
the
city
clerk,
Camp,
wewa,
I.
Guess
we're
doing
a
workshop
that
we
never
discussed
so
I'd
like
to
discuss
that.
Now
it's
supposed
to
be
I,
guess
October
4th,
but
I.
Don't
it's
supposed
to
be
I,
guess
at
10
A.M,
which
I
don't
think
is
appropriate.
It
needs
to
be
when
residents
can
actually
be
there.
H
A
A
A
AL
G
M
Z
H
C
So
if,
if
a
start
with
property,
that's
outside
the
CRA,
if
it's
outside
the
CRA,
then
it
is
subject
to
whatever
rules
that
there
are
in
your
own
codes
and
try
daughter,
and
there
are
none.
Neither
does
your
purchasing
policy,
which
really
this
is
not
a
purchase,
so
it
makes
sense
deal
with
a
sale
of
real
estate.
C
Past
practice
would
tell
you,
and
so
would
cases
looking
at
practices
other
places
that,
when
you're
outside
of
a
CRA,
you
need
to
look
at
things
like
fair
market
value,
whether
the
property
is
being
sold
for
a
public
purpose
and
and
things
of
that
nature,
which
are
spelled
out
in
the
memo.
Basically,
it's
in
the
best
interests
of
the
city,
but
it's
also
in
the
best
interest
of
the
city
to
receive
the
value
of
that
property.
In
terms
of
who
does
that
or
who
controls
that
process?
It
is
Council
LED.
C
C
Typically,
not
we
don't
have
a
policy,
and
it's
some
one
of
the
things
we
recommend
the
member
is
that
you
may
want
to
come
up
with
a
policy.
You
would
get
appraisals
on
the
property
for
what
it's
worth
and
see
that
they
offered
sales
price
if
someone's
offering
to
buy
it
met
those
expectations
and
whatnot.
Are
there
reasons
why
you
might
consider
less?
Yes,
but
those
are
most
relevant
when
we
get
to
property,
that's
in
the
CRA,
so.
C
You
you're
supposed
to
be
getting
essentially
bang
for
your
buck,
based
on
fair
market
value
of
the
property,
whether
that's
a
lease
value
or
a
sale
value
or
any
of
those
things,
and
it
prevents
the
in
theory.
It
prevents
inside
dealing
or
special
deals
or
that
sort
of
stuff
within
a
CRA.
It's
different
cras.
As
you
know,
community
redevelopment
agencies
are
basically
created
to
spurn
to
Spur.
C
Then
the
city
has
a
lot
out
of
leeway
of
determining
what
is
fair,
including
offering
property
for
things
like
which
sound
crazy.
Until
you
understand
the
details,
a
dollar
a
year
for
a
long-term
lease
or
maybe
selling
the
property
for
ten
dollars,
or
even
donating
the
property
in
exchange
for
a
certain
kind
of
development.
So
why
is
that
true?
Well,
it's
true
in
a
CRA,
because
again,
the
idea
is
that
if
the
city
controls
property
and
wants
to
see
a
certain
type
of
Redevelopment,
be
it
affordable.
Housing,
be
it
retail
shopping,
be
it
whatever.
C
You
have
to
do
a
notice
under
163.380
a
minimum
of
30
days,
so
you
can't
Target
and
say
we
only
want
to
deal
with
this
particular
developer
or
that
particular
developer.
We
open
it
up
in
a
notice
that
describes
what
it
is
we're
looking
for
are.
What
are
we
looking
for
a
park?
Are
we
looking
for
a
a
sort
of
a
a
Breezeway,
Mall
kind
of
operation
with
shopping?
Are
we
looking
for
housing?
What
are
we
looking
for?
We
put
that
in
the
notice-
and
we
say
the
city
is
looking
through.
C
Its
CRA
is
looking
to
dispose
of
this
piece
of
property
and
for
we
will
consider
anything
from
a
break
way
below
Market
the
sale
to
a
donation.
If
the
project
meets
our
expectations
and
is
chosen,
then
you
give
them
time
to
respond
to
the
request
again
minimum
of
30
days,
and
then
you
bring
the
projects
before
you
see
the
presentations
or
whatever
you
get,
and
then
you
make
a
decision
and
that
decision
can
be.
We
don't
like
any
of
these.
You
don't
have
to
sell
it
just
because
you
advertised
it.
C
So
that's
how
that
works
in
reality.
The
way
it
works
in
some
cases
is
the
notice
is
so
specific
in
terms
of
what
it
describes.
It
actually
is
tailor-made
to
fit
a
specific
developer.
So,
even
though
the
rules
that
require
you
to
provide
the
notice
to
the
open
market,
the
notice
can
dictate
how
many
people
will
respond.
Based
on
what
you
say
the
Criterion
are
so
there
are
ways
to
work
within
the
rules
and
still
get
a
specific
developer
development.
C
If
that's
what
you're
leaning
to
do
and
the
statute
doesn't
have
any
issues
with
all
of
that,
that's
because
you
can
put
the
notice
as
long
as
it's
there
for
the
right
amount
of
time
you
can
put
whatever
specs
in
the
notice
that
you
wish
to
put
there.
So
that's
how
it
works
and
again
that
fair
market
concept
versus
fair
market
value
or
Fair
concept
versus
fair
market
value.
It's
a
huge
difference
and
it's
a
huge
tool
designed
specifically
to
Spur
Redevelopment,
makes.
D
G
C
Yes,
the
announcement
that
there
will
be
the
the
negotiation
shade
meeting
that
was
supposed
to
happen
today
is
going
to
be
scheduled
for
September
20th.
It
is
a
pure
exemption
from
the
Sunshine
Law.
You
don't
have
a
court
report,
you
don't
have
a
transcript.
You
don't
have
any
of
that
stuff
it'll
be
led
by
attorney
Jeff
Mandel,
and
it
is
to
get
guidance
from
you
guys
for
him
to
engage
in
negotiations
on
your
behalf
with
regard
to
the
labor
contract.
G
D
G
G
That's
across
the
street,
from
the
Loaves
and
Fishes
is
maybe
an
alternative
or
or
maybe
a
location
for
the
Apopka
Resource
Center.
Also
I've
had
some
inquiries
again.
You
know
we
did.
We
I,
don't
know
if
we
ever
just
talked
about
it,
but
that's
the
the
big
Warehouse
on
lust
road,
which
the
graffiti
on
the
the
folks
from
City
serve,
have
come
back
and
want
to
take
another
crack
at
that
property.
G
As
a
you
know,
some
kind
of
a
nearly
one
dollar
a
year
lease
that
obviously
would
take
care
of
the
the
the
graffiti
and
they'd
have
to
put
walls
on
it
because
it
would
be
for
their
storage
for
their
they've
moved
out
of
their
the
shake.
The
Nations
was
their
location
for
all
their
Furniture,
now
they're
looking
for
another
location,
a
bigger
location.
So
if,
if
that's
something
we
want
to
to
either
one
of
those
we
okay,
obviously
the
the
property
on
8th
Street
would
be
in
the
CRA.
G
Z
G
C
All
right,
I
keep
forgetting,
there's,
there's
a
lot
of
ways
to
attempt
to
relieve
yourself
of
liability,
but
ownership
creates
liability
regardless.
So
the
ways
you
would
create
or
attempt
to
get
it
is
by
having
them
indemnify
you
and
hold
you
harmless
from
any
all
damages
blah
blah
blah,
but
that's
only
as
good
as
the
value
of
the
company.
C
That's
providing
the
identification
and
the
second
and
probably
most
important
way,
is
to
have
them
name
you
as
an
insured
or
an
additional
insured
in
an
amount
that
you
tell
them
a
million
two
million
five
million.
Whatever
is
the
appropriate
amount
so
that
that
would
be
the
first
line
of
defense
but
It.
Ultimately,
as
long
as
your
owner
there's
a
way
to
sue,
you.
G
B
Well,
I
think
we
need
to
pursue
both
of
them,
so
whatever
the
mechanism
is
that
we
need
to
go
by
in
order
to
make
that
happen,
the
resource
center
is
something
that
you
know.
We've
been
talking
about
for
a
couple
years
now
and
something
that's
needed
here
in
our
community
is
going
to
serve
our
population,
so
I
think
we
definitely
look
at
that
and
then
the
Warehouse
on
lust
Road,
I
I.
B
Think
I
mentioned
a
couple
of
meetings
ago
that
we
need
at
least
go
and
put
some
painter
pressure
washing
or
something
so
now.
If
we
release
it,
then
they're
responsible
for
for
cleaning
it
up
and
making
it
a
viable
place
to
look
at
so
whatever
process
we
need
to
do
I
think
we
need
to
proceed
more
through
those
okay.
D
Z
Yeah
I
mean
I,
don't
have
a
whole
bunch
of
energy,
either
way
I
I,
just
it's
more
about
what
are
the
details
of
it?
What's
the
what's
the
commercials
involved
here
again,
I
was
disappointed
that
the
the
last
meeting
related
to
the
apocal
resource
center
again
was
not
noticed
not
placed
on
our
calendar.
Yes,
I
knew
the
date,
but
I
want
to
go
to
a
meeting
where,
when
there's
multiple
people
there,
we
can
be
active
participants
that
did
not
afford
US
the
ability
to
do
so.
Z
So
until
such
time
we
can
be
active
participants
and
really
get
to
the
the
Crux
of
that
conversation.
You
know
it's
still
kind
of
this
nebulous
term
Apopka,
Resource
Center,
so
I
want
to
be
able
to
to
talk
through
those
things.
Okay,
so
but
again,
yeah
I'm
reacted
to
data
sure,
that's
what
I'm
ultimately
trying
to
get
at
okay.
G
Z
G
G
What
day
you
zoned
out
down
at
Sanibel?
Yes,
so
I
hope
we're
getting
I.
Guess,
we've
gotten
the
good
news
or
that
we're
recommended
for
accreditation.
So
that's
awesome.
Second,
third,
third
time
good.
This
is
the
last
week
for
Hurricane
preparedness.
So
if
you've
got
want
to
buy
hurricane
supplies,
you're
tax-free-
let's
see
here,
Jim
hit-
we've
got
this
last
month,
was
a
record
we
had.
We
did.
We
issued
1391
permits,
so
congratulations
to
the
team
over
and
permitting.
They
did
a
amazing
job.
G
We
got
the
Eco
bike
ride,
which
you
we
sent
you
some
information
on
October
28th
will
be
the
same
route
as
last
time.
Commissioner
Smith
get
a
bike.
That's
got
two
pedals
that
work:
okay,
okay,
ready,
okay,
it's
I
think
it's
about
a
five
mile
trip.
We
had.
We
had
a
great
turnout.
Last
time
we
had
Susan
bone
was
there
and
who
else
we
had
somebody
else.
Other
City
staffer
came
Nicole
yeah,
so
anyway,
come
on
out
it'll
be
October
28th.
You
will
definitely
see
some
Critters,
there's
no
doubt
about
that.
G
Hispanic
heritage
celebration,
September,
16th,
Caitlin,
Nelson
Park
from
two
to
eight
o'clock,
be
sure
to
come
down
for
that.
Commissioner
Velasquez
talked
about
the
memorial
September
11th
Memorial
out
front
8,
30
A.M,
and
then
what
one
thing
I've
just
put
in
your
I
had
sent
to
send
to
you.
You
folks.
We
just
got
back
the
test
results
this
morning
on
the
I,
the
one
for
dioxin,
which
is
that
the
it's
the
chemical
that
Seminole
County's
been
having
fits
over
and.
W
G
G
G
And
going
there
tomorrow,
I
did
not
put
there's
14
pages
and
it's
gobbledygoop
it's
only
if
you're
a
if
you're
a
techie.
That
knows
a
lot
about
I
mean
the
you
can't
even
read
these.
These
reports
I
had
to
talk
to
to
our
team
down
there
and
they
so
I've
got
like
a
two
paragraph.
The
two
paragraph
thing
I
sent
you
plus
just
the
the
cover
page
just
enough
to
show
you
that
we
actually
did
the
test
and
then
there's
the
two
paragraphs
kind
of
laying
out
what
what
what
we.
Z
H
B
G
We're
working
on
a
proposal
we
want
to
try
to
have
is
like
two
tiers
for
folks
that
I
don't
know
what
do
you
think
Riley,
maybe
next
meeting
okay
yeah,
we
definitely
want
to
do
it
and
so
we'll
we'll
have
that
out.
Amphitheater
okay
got
it
with
that.
We'll
just
take
with
a
five
minute
break
and
get
right
back
to
budgets.