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Apopka City Council Special Public Meeting at City Hall on February 3, 2021 at 6 PM.
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A
B
C
B
B
We
were
you,
know
50
here,
20
there
you
know,
and
so
I
just
want
to
let
you
know
what
what
it's
taking
us
to
get
us
to
this
point
and
it's
everything
from
public
works
working
to
figure
out
the
water
in
the
in
the
sewer
lines.
It's
it's
the
building
department
to
find
out
what
what
we
would
need
to
get
completed
fixed
quickly.
It's
community
development,
especially
nicole
kennedy.
Putting
this
whole
application
together
been
a
you
know,
an
unbelievable
exercise
in
in
patience
and
hard
work
parks
and
rec.
B
You
know
week
and
a
half
where
we
have
really
come
together
as
a
cities,
city
employees
coming
together
to
for
a
common
goal,
and
that
is
you
know
to
get
the
point
where
we
can
apply
for
a
million
dollar
grant
from
dep
and
and
the
federal
government
to
help
us
fund
what
could
be
a
purchase
of
camp
wewa,
so
hats
off
to
everybody
who
had
something
to
do
with
it.
It's
it's
been
a
it's
been
a
journey
and
I
forgot.
B
I
t
I
t
obviously
put
the
survey
together
for
so
I
hope
I
matter
of
fact
I
was
looking
at
everybody
has
touched
this
other
than
police
and
fire,
and
before
this
thing
is
done,
they
will
be
there
to
make
sure
we're
we're
in
compliance.
So
it's
yeah.
It's
truly
been
a
you
know.
You
know,
you
know,
for
me,
it's
heartwarming
to
see
what
this
the
city
can
be.
You
know,
and
with
all
without
the
help
of
everybody
across
you
know
the
different
platforms.
We
wouldn't
have
done
this.
B
And
you're
coming
around
in
to
the
to
the
right
there
on,
which
would
be
the
south
part
of
the
property
is
mud
lake
and
it's
yeah.
It's
grown
a
lot,
so
a
great
location,
so
the
map
you've
got
some
maps
with.
You
should
be
in
your
in
your
packet.
It
would
be
a
little
better,
but
one
of
the
things
you
need
to
understand
is
it's:
it's
only
about
it's
39.5
acres
of
developable
land.
This
will
give
you
all
of
the
buildings
we've
got
and
there's
also.
B
B
B
So
now
as
you're
coming,
this
is
going
from
shepherd
lake
down
toward
upper
lake
doe.
It's
just
a
very,
very
peaceful
trip,
open
air
pavilion
right
next
to
the
chapel,
so
you
could
do
weddings,
church
services.
There
dining
hall
is
massive.
With
a
great
commercial
kitchen.
Inside
that
you
can,
you
can
feed
you
know
hundreds
there
target
sports
there,
a
junior
olympic
sized
pool
that
has,
I
think,
six
lanes
so
really
awesome
pool
there.
B
Never
forget
having
the
platform
that
I
was
scared
to
death
to
jump
off
this
10
meter
platform
there
at
camp
weewa
basketball
courts
need
a
lot
of
work,
but
but
obviously
we
want
that's
something.
You'd
want
to
to
to
fix
up
upper
lake
doe
that
that
dock,
you
can't
even
see
it
from
the
properties
it
need
to
be
cleaned
out,
but
obviously
it's
a
it's
a
brand
new
dock.
That
would
be
definitely
worth
keeping.
B
I
think
it's
more
than
40-foot
climbing
wall.
I
tell
you,
it
scared
me
trying
to
go
all
over
the
top
of
that
climbing
wall,
but
what
an
awesome
facility,
the
high
and
the
low
ropes
courses
right
now
are
almost
under
water
mud
lake
has
really
risen,
and
so
it's
it's
be
a
challenge
to
get
that
back.
This
is
the
the
where
you
you
come
in
and
you
check
in
that's
the
the
ability
to
to
start
this
whole
process.
B
B
So
if
we
go
back,
I
want
to
go
back
to
the
the
you
know.
I
guess
now,
three
weeks
ago,
when
I
got
the
call
from
the
ymca
about
this,
this
property
and
basically
I
think
it
was
a
courtesy
call
from
the
ymca
he
said.
Listen,
you
know
we
just
want
to
let
you
know
that
we're
going
to
sell
this
property
to
to
a
developer-
and
you
know
just
thought,
you'd
want
to
know,
and
at
that
point
I
said
wow.
This
is
this
is
amazing.
You
know
obviously
having
been
there.
B
I
knew
how
amazing
this
property
was.
So
I
said
we
need
to.
Can
you
give
us
a
couple
of
weeks
to
to
at
least
you
know,
do
our
due
diligence
and
maybe
some
way
we
can
come
up
with
a
plan
to
purchase
this,
and
so
we
had
our
meeting.
Obviously
two
weeks
ago
talked
about
you
know:
can
we
at
least
kind
of
proceed
forward?
B
We've
got,
I
think,
almost
everything
in
there
there's
a
couple
things
that
we're
still
missing,
that
that
dep
will
need
to
complete
some
transaction,
and
that
will
be
a
survey
and
a
two
appraisals,
because
the
value
of
the
property
is
over
over
half
a
million
dollars.
So
we
we've
engaged
two
appraisers
that
are
you
know
and
that
that
deadline
is
the
end
of
the
month.
So
we've
got
to
have
this
two
in
their
hands
by
the
end
of
the
month
to
meet
all
the
the
deadlines
for
this.
B
B
For
you
to
take
a
look
at
this
is
obviously
the
entrance
to
the
park.
The
junior
size
olympic
pool
that
you
know,
one
of
the
things
that
we
we've
done
in
the
past
is
that
papa
high
school
used
that
for
their
their
swim
team
and
their
water
polo
team.
So
obviously
that's
something
we'd
want
to
look
at.
You
know
bringing
back
if
we
were
to
purchase
the
property.
B
Stopped,
I
don't
know,
I
think,
one
of
the
things
that
we
you
need
to
do
with
the
the
pool
is
it
has
no,
it's
got
a
heater,
but
I
think
the
cost
to
run
a
propane
heater
would
be
expensive.
I
think
we
could
put
some
solar
panels
on
one
of
the
buildings
there.
That
would,
you
know
at
least
give
us
a
couple
extra
months
of
swimming,
but.
F
B
That's
one
of
the
first
things:
you'd
want
to
do,
there's
the
dining
hall,
which
has
a
massive
open
area
there,
which
you
can.
You
could
see
probably
75
to
100.
Just
on
that
that
that
porch
there's
the
front
entrance
of
the
dining
hall,
the
dining
hall
probably
would
hold
120
150
somewhere
in
that
range.
So
a
nice
big,
dining
hall,
the
outdoor
pavilion
just
beautiful,
looks
over
the
the
lake
that
would
be
like
upper
lake.
B
A
B
B
B
I
want
to
say
they
were.
They
were
like
north
of
30
countries,
not
just
the
united
states.
30
countries
represented
in
this
that
they
found
somehow
found
this
facebook
post
and
it
posted.
You
know,
please
save
it.
You
know
I
think
there
was
25
or
so
from
the
uk
alone,
so
just
incredible
the
reach.
That
was
that
we
got
out
there.
E
B
A
B
B
B
So
this
is
the
one
it's
hard
to
see
on
the
on
the
the
screen,
but
it's
we've
got
it
listed
there
and
you've
got
a
couple
of
maps.
One
of
them
has
the
kind
of
the
mike
silver
fema
map
overlay,
so
it
gives
you
kind
of
the
the
actual
buildable
or
or
usable
land
versus
the
entire
land,
but
it's
got
all
of
the
buildings
here
on
this.
It's
under
our
exhibit.
Okay,
all
right
exhibit
I
okay
and
we'll
make
this
available
for
anybody
that
wants
to
take
a
look
at
it.
B
B
So
with
that,
I
think
that
pretty
much
lays
out
what
we've
you
know
where
we
are
today.
We
did
get
back
today
right
before
the
council
meeting,
but
I
thought
I'd
wait
till
we
got
here
tonight.
We've
got
the
the
appraisals
on
there.
We
talked
about
selling
the
property
on
on
harmon
road
and
we
got
the
appraisals
back
and
one
was
two
point
eight
and
the
other
one
was
six
six
hundred
thousand.
Is
that
right,
jim?
I?
I
should
have
it
somewhere.
B
One
point,
I'm
sorry,
one
point
eight
and
six
hundred
thousand,
so
that's
the
appraisal
and,
interestingly
enough,
I've
had
a
couple
of
of
developers,
one
who's
just
finishing
up
a
project
in
apopka
that
would
be
interested
in
in
purchasing
the
property.
Now
we
don't
have
any
contracts
on.
You
know
having
gone
to
that
process,
but
I've
got
three
people
that
three
interested
parties
that
without
even
you
know
asking
for
solicitations,
have
come
forward
and
says:
hey
we're.
You
know
we're
interested.
B
B
So
what
I
thought
we'd
do
then
is
go
through
any
questions
you
might
have
and
if
I
can
answer
them
or
nicole
can
answer
them
or
brian
whoever
you
need
and
then
we'll
ask
for
public
comment,
but
we've
pretty
much
checked
all
the
boxes
we
had.
To
put
you
know
the
cip
was
in
place.
The
resolution
was
in
place
this
special
council
meetings
in
place.
B
So
I
think
by
today
we
have
met
every
every
box
except
the
the
survey
and
the
two
appraisals.
So
we've
got
the.
I
think
the
numbers
were
seven
thousand
for
one
appraisal
and
thirty
five
hundred,
I
think,
for
the
second
one
and
the
reason
the
one's
3
500
is.
They
just
did
a
an
appraisal
over
a
year
ago
for
the
lender
for
the
ymca.
So
that's
reason
it's
so
much.
Cheaper
they've
already
got
most
of
the
legwork
already
done
so
with
that.
Can
I
anybody
want
to
okay.
Commissioner.
B
I
can't
I
don't
know
where
that
is
in
this
packet,
but
it's
it
looked
like
from
a
cash
flow
point
of
view.
Now
that
the
one
the
one
caveat
to
say
that
it
will
take
some
dollars
from
outside
sponsors,
but
it
looks
like
it's
give
or
take
a
little
bit
cash
flow
neutral,
so
it
should
be
able
to
carry
itself
with
some
depreciation.
So
some
of
those
you
know
so
we
can
replace
the
roofs
on
on
a
regular
basis.
B
We
do
have
some
capital
costs
up
front.
We're
looking
at
you
know,
there's
zero
ada
compliance
out
there,
so
we'd
have
to
do
some.
Some
ada
compliance
we'd
like
to
get
the
water
converted
over
from
well
water
to
to
city
water,
because
it's
right
there
on
binyan
road
we'd
like
to
get
the
septic
tanks
moved
over
to
sewer
those
two
things
alone
be
less
than
250
000.
But
so
it's
still
it's
a
it's
a
sizable
investment.
E
And
obviously
we
we
can't
anticipate
exactly
when
covet
restraints
are
going
to
be
lifted
in
the
nation,
but
as
they
do,
I
think
people
are
going
to
be
so
hungry
to
have
a
place
like
this,
especially
from
the
north.
So
how
will
we
approach
marketing
this
so
that
we
can
end
up
recouping
any
of
the
lack
during
this
season?.
B
B
You
know
financial
pressures
to
get
this
done
as
soon
as
possible,
so
yeah
trying
to
get
all
of
our
numbers
together
and
making
that
work.
They've
got
a
gentleman
out
there
that
they
brought
in
from
north
carolina.
That
was
set
to
run
the
program,
and
I
know
brian's
met
with
him
and-
and
you
know
you
know,
we
we
kind
of
preliminary
said
hey.
I
think
you
know,
could
you
could
you
do
this?
For
us
for
at
least
a
year
kind
of
get
get
our?
B
You
know
our
feet,
wet
kind
of
figure
out
what
we
want
to
do,
maybe
run
it
as
kind
of
what
the
y
was
doing
for
at
least
one
year
get
brian's
team
together
put
together.
You
know
a
plan
for
next
year.
I
mean
we
could.
Obviously
we
could
start
on
it
now,
but
I
don't
want
to
waste
a
lot
of
our
efforts
until
we've
got.
You
know
a
firm
gross
grasp
on
on.
E
B
D
B
E
So
again,
it
was
near
breaking
even
and
I
really
anticipate
an
increase
as
we
move
forward
and
start
coming
out
from
under
this.
This
cover
thing,
first,
of
course,
of
course,
in
our
state
we
don't
have
astringent
rules,
but
those
in
the
north,
as
that
word
is
out
there.
We
can
approach
churches
camps
different
ones
that
right
do
this
on
a
consistent
basis.
Schools,
private
schools
right
and
I
think
they
line
up.
B
Yeah-
and
that
was
interesting
and
talking
to
the
folks
dan
and
the
team
that
that
only
20
percent
of
the
revenue
were
from
why
events
so
80
percent
without
were
already
outside
you
know
from
from
I
know
they
had
like
girl
scout,
you
know
camps,
they
had,
I
think
fifth
grade
camps.
They
would
you
know
just
one
night
overnight,
so
I
mean
it's
obviously
there's
a
lot
of
opportunities
outside
of
what
the
y
was
was
was
doing
with
with
the
camp
too
that
we
could.
E
C
J
J
B
B
B
K
Airport
too,
so
you
got
that
income
keep
in
mind.
You've
got
about
800
000
in
impact
fees
that
you
could
use.
You
confront
that
because
you
can
use
that
for
that
portion
for
that
as
well.
So
what
you
would
from
a
financial
standpoint,
I
think
you
know
if
you
move
forward
grant
you
have
to
put
the
property
up
for
sale.
K
You'll
have
that
income
you'll
have
the
impact
fee
income
that
you
can
use,
and
then
you
could
also
front
some
from
the
reserves
once
if,
if
you
put
this
up
for
sale,
then
you
can
reimburse
yourself
through
the
reserve
from
the
reserve
from
the
sale
once
you
make
the
decision
to
put
that
property
out
for
sale,
so
those
parcels
out
for
sale,
you'll
use
that
to
put
it
back
into
your
reserves.
So
that's
that's!
K
That's
the
way
you
can
do
it
as
well,
so
there's
there's
pieces
everywhere,
so
it's
not
a
one
hit
and
it
wouldn't
be
a
big
massive
hit
to
the
reserves
all
at
one
time,
but
we
would
have
to.
We
could
use
a
portion
of
those
until
you
get
if
you
get
the
grant.
You
know
reimburse
yourself
back
for
that
and
then,
when
you
sell
the
parcel
the
other
parcels
on
harmon
road,
then
you
put
that
back
in
into
your
reserves.
J
Yeah,
but
not
only
do
you
have
the
purchase
as
an
entirety,
you
have
where
he
said:
ada
compliance,
sewer,
city,
water,
that's
all
an
expense
on
top
of
the
purchase,
and
I
mean
I
have
to
cover
all
the
bases
I
mean
because
everyone
wants
it
and
it
is
a
gorgeous
part
because
we
did
take
the
tour,
then
you
have
the
staff,
we
have
a
really
tight
budget.
We
haven't
been
able
to
give
any
raises.
We
haven't
been
able
to
hire.
K
Well,
commissioner,
we
have
we
have
done
raises
you.
We
have
up
to
three
percent
raise
right
now,
so
we
haven't
stopped
our
raises.
You
know
I
mean
we've,
we've
gone
come
down,
but
we've
we
have
not
stopped
our
raises.
So
this
is
something
that
I
think
I
think
how
you
have
to
look
at.
This
is,
if
you
acquire
the
property
and
you
get
you
get
the
asset,
it's
another
part.
I
think
you
have
to
build
it
into
your
budget.
K
You
know
there
are
some
things
that
we
can
say
because
we
already
are
in
the
business
of
recreation
when
it
comes
insurance,
there's
some
costs,
costs
and
expenditures
that
we
won't
pay
have
to
pay
when
it
comes
on
as
one
if
it
was
to
come
on
as
all
of
our
park
system.
There's
some
some
overlap
where
we
can
actually
have
some
savings,
you're
correct,
we
would
have
to
have
some
staff,
so
that
would
be
an
item
that
you'd
have
to
build
into
your
budget
going
forward.
K
You
know
there's
some
operating
things
that
we
would
have
to
build.
You
can't
I
don't
envision
us
doing
all
the
capital
up
front.
I
think
you
pride
a
partner,
find
partners
that'll
help.
You
contribute
help
you
from
a
labor
standpoint
from
a
material
standpoint.
Things
like
that,
and
I
think
you
build
your
five-year
plan
three
to
five
year
plan
of
the
improvements
that
you're
going
to
make.
But
the
park
is
is
operational
now,
so
you
know
it
can
be,
there's
some
some
things
that
need
to
be
done.
Clean
up,
and
things
like
that.
K
That
can
be
done,
and
maybe
that's
a
partner
community
event
is
what
we
do
to
help
clean
it
up
and
whatever.
But
I
think
it's
just
one
of
those
things
where
you're
going
to
have
to
you
would
build
your
operating
in
your
budget
with
our
parks
they
would
have
to,
as
they
submit
their
budget
to
you,
this
coming
budget
to
you.
K
Those
would
be
some
items
that
additional
costs
that
would
come
on
to
operate
it
you're
right
we'd
have
to
have
some
additional
staff,
but
I
think
that's
your
operating
plan
that
they
bring
together
at
budget
time
with
their
parks
and
rec
budget,
and
then
your
your
capital
plan
would
have
improvements
that
you
would
show
that
you're
going
to
make
improvements
over
three
to
five
year
period
and
then,
like
michael,
talked
about
that,
really
think.
There's
an
opportunity
for
us
to
get
some
grants
for
capital
improvements.
K
So
again
we
can
apply
for
those
grants
and
and
and
hope
that
we
get
some
assistance
from
that
for
capital
improvements,
future
capital
improvements
as
well,
so
you're
correct.
There
will
be
some
operating
and
that's
a
decision
that
that
the
council
would
have
to
make.
But
I
I
think
you
build
that
into
your
budget
with
your
current
recreational
facilities
that
you
have.
B
So
I
think
you
know-
and
that's
I
don't
know
that
it's
I
won't
say
it
was
it's
kind
of
neglected,
but
I
I
would
say
we
would
we.
We
could
put
a
little
more
focus
on
that
if
we,
if
we
owned
it
versus
the.
Why
so,
I
think
I
think
the
operational
side
we
ought
to
be
able
to
get
to
break
even
without
a
lot
of
trouble
and
just
naming
the
the
park.
B
B
Well,
I
don't,
I
think,
we're
getting
the
cart
before
the
you
know.
The
I
think
we've
got
to
get
you
know
march
1st,
or
something
we'll
when
we
get
to
the
the
the
value
of
the
property
at
camp
weewa,
then
at
that
point,
then
it
becomes
by
the
the
first
meeting
in
march,
we'll
we'll
be
ready
to
either
you
know,
sign
some
kind
of
letter
of
intent
or
we'll
walk
away
from
it.
So
I
think
that's
the
that
would
be
my
goal.
J
B
B
No,
no,
no
they're,
most
of
it.
I
had
a
zoom
call
last
night
with
six
or
eight
of
them
and
there
a
lot
of
them
are
former
park,
not
rangers
park
managers.
I've
got
a
lady,
I
know
that's
from
winter
garden,
that's
a
big
fundraiser
for
the
y.
So
just
you
know
a
group
of
folks
and-
and
I
can't
tell
you-
I've
probably
had
15
calls
hey.
You
know.
How
can
I
help?
How
can
I
contribute?
You
know?
So
it's
it's.
B
They
haven't
really
given
us
one
I
mean
I
think
their
their
their
banks
are
telling
them
early
summer
is
kind
of
when
they
need
to
be
so.
I
mean
to
me
I'd
like
to
have
it
up
I'd
love
to
have
summer
camp
up
and
running.
So
that
would
be
my
my
goal.
If
we're
going
to
do
it,
let's
have
it
ready
for
summer
camps,
but
obviously
that's
the
will
of
the
council
if
you
just
which
I
think
that's
that's,
doable.
B
J
C
B
Cash
yeah,
we
thought
we
could
do
it,
the
the
the
developer
who
was
going
to
buy
a
camp.
We
thought
we
could,
instead
of
him
buying
that
property
he
could
buy
ours
and
then
just
send
the
cash
over
to
the
the
y,
but
that
won't
work.
He's
he's
a
single
family,
developer
and
ours's
highest
best
use
would
be
multi-family,
or
at
least
you
know,
townhomes,
or
something
like
that.
C
Let
me
say
you
know,
I'm
very
fond
of
our
youth
and
I've
always
said
that
we
need
some
more
positive
things
for
them
to
do,
and
so
I
see
this
as
another
opportunity
for
providing
some
additional
resources
by
youth,
and
this
particular
site
has
some
amenities
that
pond
can
does
not
such
this
is
from
the
pool
the
lake,
the
canoes
and
everything.
My
my
concern
is
transportation.
C
G
D
A
bus,
the
city
owns
a
big
school
bus
that
we
can
certainly
use
we've
hired
drivers
before,
for
that
we
also
have
large
passenger
vans
that
we've
taken
for
senior
trips.
So
we
have
some
trend.
You
know
as
far
as
a
head
start
goes.
We
have
a
head
start
on
that
and
then,
if,
if
we
have
to,
if
we're
lucky
enough
that
we
need
to
find
more,
then
we'll
find
a
way.
B
C
B
B
Half
the
buildings
have
some
some
name
attached
to
them,
so
somebody-
and
that
would
be
the
first
group
we
we
reach
out
to.
As
far
as
you
know,
some
donations-
hey.
You
know
this
cabin
was
donated
by
your
family.
You
want
to
kind
of
help
us
out
you
know,
and
so,
if,
if
we
were
to
buy
the
property,
the
first
thing
I'd
want
to
do
is
have
a
you
know,
an
open
house
out
there
invite
all
these
these
families
and
businesses
that
have
that
have
donated
along
the
way
come
out,
see
your
camp.
C
B
C
In
reference
to
my
church,
I
know
our
women
they're
going
to
retreat
every
year.
They
go
all
over
the
lake
to
find
a
place
to
stay
and
then
a
couple
of
non-profit
organizations
that
I'm
a
part
of
they
go
all
the
way
to
haines
city
to
find
cabins
to
stay
for
the
week
and
have
those
kinds
of
activities.
So
if
we
calculate
right
at
home,
I
think
it'll
be
a
great
asset.
B
Yeah
one
of
the
ones
that
I
found
out
about
really
interesting
gary
sinise,
who
is
big
into
veterans
benefits
you
know
for
for
ones
with
disabilities.
You
know
gotten
hurt
in
in
in
the
wars
he
one
one
week
a
year.
He
brings.
He
takes
the
whole
camp
over
and
brings
in
kids
of
these.
These
fallen
soldiers
to
camp.
We
want
so
I
mean
it's
yeah.
You
know,
and
those
are
the
kind
of
stories
you
hear
you
know
yeah,
that's
where
I
go
and
then
two
other
kind
of
interesting
things.
B
As
I
look
through
all
those
comments
is
former
mayor.
Glenda
hood
was
a
camp
counselor
there
and
former
senator
mel
martinez
was
a
camp
counselor
at
camp
lewis.
So
you
know
we
reach
out
to
those
folks:
hey,
listen,
we
here's!
What
we're
trying
to
do!
Here's
our
vision.
You
know
we
could
sure
use
your
support
and
help.
You
know
financially
and
you
know
and
sweat.
Equity
would
be
awesome
as
well.
H
H
That's
my
figure,
okay,
so
I
won't.
I
won't
get
into
the
too
much
of
the
weeds,
then,
because
you
know
really
and
just
to
kind
of
piggyback
on
the
rest
of
the
council
said
this
far.
It's
a
few
different
things
at
play
here,
right,
first
and
foremost,
is
whether
or
not
we
should
or
should
not
purchase
the
property,
and
I
think
you
know
when
you
think
brand
alignment
for
the
city
of
apopka.
I
think
camp
weewa
and
city
of
apocalypse.
H
I
don't
think,
there's
much
argument
there
I
mean
it
seems
to
just
go
together,
because
we
have
such
a
emphasis
on
that
that
eco
kind
of
enjoyment,
ecotourism,
kind
of
kind
of
thing,
with
the
with
the
springs
with
the
lake
apopka
wildlife
drive
all
these
things
kind
of
play
together.
So
I
don't
you
know,
obviously
there's
no
debate
for
me
there,
the
to
piggyback
off
commissioner
velasquez
point
talking
about
the
purchase,
so
you
know
going
into
this.
My
assumption
would
be
that
the
purchase
price
would
be
kind
of
an
even
exchange.
H
We
would
find
the
sourcing
without
having
to
go
into
anything
else
in
order
to
do
it.
So
we've
got
looks
like
we've
got
two
and
a
half
million
in
current
appraised.
That's
just
if
we
take
that
for
what
it's
worth
a
million
in
grant
and
then
potentially
a
million
and
a
half
for
sandpiper
that
gets
you.
That
gets
you
right
at
five,
assuming
that
it's
plus
or
minus
from
there.
Okay,
because
then
a
purchase
then
becomes
a
purchase.
We
still
retain
that
value.
H
It's
just
in
a
different
location,
yeah
great,
but
then
the
real,
the
real
kind
of
the
brass
tax
comes
down
to
the
op,
the
opex
right.
It's
true,
you
know,
I
think,
with
the
city
of
apopka,
the
parks
and
rex
has
been
such
a
lost
leader
for
our
city.
Right
I
mean
we
take
it
70
percent
bath
on
on
the
parks
and
rex
fund,
I
mean,
and
that's
quality
of
life
stuff.
It's
not
necessarily
something
that
we
try
to
be
super
profitable
for,
but
you
want
to
get
as
break
even
as
possible.
H
H
Sure,
that's
that's
just
table
stakes,
because
I
think
there
is
a
lot
more
value
to
commissioner
bankston's
point,
commissioner
smith,
because
when
you
look
at
the
programming
and
it's
similar
to
that
that
pie
graph,
you
have
swim
meets
swim
clubs
that
we
could
be
out
there.
You
have
day
camp.
I
was
talking
to
a
former
executive
director
for
the
y
and
they
said
day
camps
are
very
popular,
the
overnight
camp
option.
If
we
want
to
explore
corporate
retreats
weddings,
you
know,
festivals
events,
birthday
parties,
canoes
rope
courses
that
sort
of
stuff.
H
All
of
that
is
a
compelling
compelling
thing
to
have
at
our
disposal
for
sure,
so
that
that's
really
what
I
would
be
interested
in
is
to
see
how
you
plan
to
over
the
next
year,
three
years,
five
years
understand
from
an
opec
standpoint,
how
we
can
keep
this
basically
neutral,
because
you
know
the
rightfully
so
there's
other
other
departments
in
the
city.
That
kind
of
look
at
this
with
a
skeptical
eye
to
say:
hey,
look:
we've
got
deteriorating
facilities,
we've
got
deteriorating
fleet
hey.
You
know
we're
hurt
over
here.
H
D
D
D
D
Revenue
out
of
it
one
of
the
things
you
know
in
in
I
think
one
of
the
things
that
I
would
like.
So
I
have
my.
I
have
my
own
personal
vision
and
I
have
a
lot
of
experience
with
this.
I've
been
a
parks
and
rec
director
since
2008,
but
before
that
from
1976
to
2007,
I
was
a
camper
up
to
running
a
camp,
so
I
have
my
own
vision,
but
I'm
not
going
against
50
000
people.
So
I
want
to
hear
what
the
I
want
to
hear
what
the
taxpayers
have
to
say.
H
D
L
H
You
know
if,
if
we've
just
reallocated
value
in
our
land
to
this
asset,
and
so
the
the
purchase
of
the
land
is
just
a
land
swap
truly,
then
it
becomes
okay.
What,
then,
if
I
have
an
asset
now
I'm
able
to
go
out
in
public
space
and
take
advantage
of
the
things
that
are
on
this
property
and
yet
it's
an
expense,
neutral
proposition.
H
I
would
think
that
that's
a
pretty
much
a
as
big
of
a
win
as
you
can
expect
from
a
tax
payer
perspective.
You
know
when
I
was
when
I
would
say
pro
forum.
That's
exactly
what
I
mean
it's
to
sit
there
from
from
your
point
of
view,
just
assume
that
you
have
endless
amount
of
resources
to
do
this
stuff.
What
how
would
you
make
sure
that
it's
it's
it's
you
know
expense
or
profit
neutral?
H
I
mean
it
should
be
profitable,
but
we're
not
taking
a
loss
on
it,
and
so,
when
I
say
that
I
mean
okay,
you
look
at
what
the
expenses
are
today.
You
know
they've
got
some
expenses
on
here
like
occupancy
costs
or
contract
services
that
are
kind
of
ambiguous
to
me
blow
that
out
see.
Does
that
continue?
Does
that
change?
Does
that
shift
based
on
our
ownership
on
your
salaries?
You
know
is
some
of
the
salary
for
a
director
level
position.
H
I
would
assume
all
of
this
would
fall
underneath
you
right,
so
maybe
that
expense
is
reduced
from
a
director
level
position,
but
you
reallocate
that
expense
to
some
lower
level
employees
to
help
run
the
camp
during
the
summer
time.
Can
we
leverage
the
apopka
youth
programs
to
have
counselors
out
on
property,
whatever
the
case
might
be,
and
I'm
glad
to
hear
the
mayor
say
it.
H
You
know
during
you
know
like
some
of
these
capital
campaigns,
finding
sponsorship
opportunities
that
should
be
evaluated
as
part
of
your
performance
to
say:
hey
in
year,
one
we
might
get
some
lower
level
sponsorships
that
might
contribute
this
amount,
but
over
a
three
year
period
we
might
find
a
major
capital
donor,
that's
willing
to
take
on
the
full
sponsorship
of
the
park.
You
know
all
of
this
built
into
the
pro
forma
so
that
we
can
see
yeah.
We
can
point
a
finger
and
say
you've
got
this
covered.
H
Yes,
we're
going
to
have
to
hire
staff,
but
we're
going
to
get
some
of
that
expense
offset
with
these
revenue
opportunities
to
come
in
and
they've
got
to
be
realistic
too
right.
So,
but
that's
that's
my
that's.
My
big
concern
is
to
make
sure
that
we're
not.
This
is
the
new
shiny
toy
and
I
hate
to
use
this
analogy
right.
You,
you
win
a
40
million
dollar
lottery
ticket
and
you
go
out
and
say:
I'm
gonna
buy
a
40
million
dollar
yacht.
H
B
B
We're
all
all
there
I
just
want
to
see
it
on
paper.
I
agree
and
because
brian
said
you
only
start
working
on
some
of
the
numbers
I
said.
Well,
you
know,
let's
wait
till
we
get.
You
know,
let's
get
the
numbers
mark.
I
mean
I
guess
you
could
start
kind
of
putting
some
pencils
to
paper
on
some
things
but
yeah.
I
don't.
H
By
la
and
I
see
on
the
cake,
my
last
comment
and
commissioner
banks
and
touched
on
in
terms
of
economic
development,
this
is
a
economic
tool
in
the
toolkit
right.
It's
it's
something
that
you
can
sell
your
city
on.
It's
just
as
much
for
recreational
as
it
is
for
quality
of
life
for
employers
to
come
in
small
businesses.
That
sort
of
thing.
D
F
D
B
The
y
was
more
of
a
regional
camp.
You
came
from
heck
all
over,
I
mean
regularly
came
from
all
of
southeast.
You
know
the
united
states
not
just
central
florida,
so
we
have
to
weigh
what
you
know
what
the
camp
has
done
in
the
in
the
past
in
way
what
our
citizens
expect
from
the
five
million
dollars
that
they've
they've
given
us
to
buy
this
property,
and
so
it's
it's
a
you
know.
B
Obviously,
overnight
camping
we'll
have
some
folks
from
apopka,
but
you'll
have
people
from
you
know
north
carolina
that
come
down
in
the
summer
or
wherever
so
we've
got
a
the
balancing
out
for
us
as
we
move
forward.
Is
you
know
how
do
we
we
balance?
You
know
so
if
you've
got
all
the
camp
is
booked,
let's
say
you
all:
the
cabins
are
booked,
you
know,
and
yet
our
people
want
to
use
the
pool.
Is
there?
B
Is
there
room
for
both
our
you
know,
apopka
citizens,
as
well
as
the
campers
that
are
staying
at
the
camp,
paying
900
bucks
a
week
to
stay
there.
So
you
know
those
are
things
we've
got
a
way
and,
and
you
know
make
sure
that
we,
you
know
we
we
we
try
to
accommodate
all.
You
know
both
both
sides
of
that
that
equation.
C
Could
come
there
to
put
in
some
of
their
community
service
hours,
and
I
know
the
ffa
is
always
looking
for
a
place
to
hold
consequences
and
district
contests
and
those
kind
of
things,
and
so
that
would
provide
a
place
for
them
to
go.
That's
local
and
we
have
you,
know
two
or
three
high
schools,
several
junior
high
school,
that
has
those
programs,
and
so
they
would
be
involved
in
that
as
well.
I'm
sure,
yes,.
D
E
It
goes
back
to
what
is
our
brand.
What
do
we
have
that?
No
one
else
has-
and
you
know,
apopka
with
the
coming
back
of
lake
apopka,
which
used
to
be
one
of
the
number
one
freshwater
fishing
lakes.
You
know
in
the
nation
and
known
worldwide,
and
we
lost
that
now,
that's
coming
back
and
now
the
trend
is,
of
course,
green
space.
Ecology.
You
have
the
birding
park,
which
is
we
have
one
of
the
top
burning
sites
that
we
tie
this
together.
This
is
something
that
can't
be
reproduced.
E
E
That,
in
relation
to
the
number
of
people,
I
think
that
really
shows
and
speaks
that
this
community
would
love
to
see
that
sustained
and
again
to
commissioner
becker's
point.
We
are
getting
an
asset
that
in
the
worst
case
scenario,
we
still
have
the
asset
that
has
that
value
and
if
we
say
you
know
what
it's
just
not
feasible
for
us
to
do,
that's
still
there.
But
I
don't
see
that
happening.
I.
F
H
J
J
J
About
their
own
time,
their
children
and
how
long
it's
been
there
for
me,
the
concern
is:
do
all
the
people
that
said
they
want.
It
understand
what
it's
going
to
cost
for
us,
to
keep
it
and
and
to
everyone's
point.
It
is
a
is
a
wonderful
asset.
It's
a
gorgeous
part.
I
just
want
taxpayers
everyone
who's
on
board
to
understand
that
it's
going
to
be
a
cost
and
somewhat
of
a
sacrifice
right
up
front,
because
by
the
time
we
get
the
the
sale
of
the
properties
we
want.
E
D
J
F
L
A
E
Other
thought
from
me,
of
course,
you
in
the
years
past
you've
heard
me
harp
on
the
importance
of
reserves,
but
that
was
one
of
the
points
that
I
that
I
did
have
to
have
that
extra.
When
there's
an
opportunity
that
comes
up
that
those
once-in-a-lifetime
things
that
we're
able
to
do
something
about
it
and
again,
I
am
I'm
very
willing,
for
those
reasons
to
bring
that
those
up
front
costs
that
suddenly
we
have
to
come
up
with
this.
That
is
a
source
you
know
again.
E
J
E
B
Absolutely
and
the
other
thing
is,
you
know
edward
and
I
have
worked
really
hard.
You
know.
We've
we've
reduced
our
overall
debt
load
by
seven
million
dollars
in
the
last
three
years
so
which
gets
us
in
a
position
where
we
can.
We
can
make
a
purchase
like
this
three
years
ago.
I'm
not
sure
you
could,
you
could
have
pulled
it
off,
but
you
know.
Obviously
we
can
do
it
out
of
reserves
we
had
to.
We
can
borrow
the
money
we
can.
B
L
K
Want
to
say
this
kind
of
helps
a
little
bit.
This
is
kind
of
unchartered
territory
for
us
here
in
apopka.
We've
never
had
something
like
this
or
an
opportunity
like
this,
and
I
think
the
key
is
going
to
be
to
this
you're
right
pro
forma.
We
need
to
put
those
numbers
together
and
figure
out
how
this
is
going
to
fit
into
our
budget,
our
operating
budget,
because
that
is
a
key
component,
but
I
think
it's
important
to
realize
it's
kind
of
all
new
to
it.
This
is
new
to
all
of
us.
K
This
is
something
that
we've
had.
We
have
an
opportunity
here
to
take
on
and-
and
I
think
the
key
is
going
to
be-
to
apply
for
the
great
look
for
all
the
different
grant
opportunities
that
are
out
that
are
available
once
we
have
there'll
be
all
kinds
of,
I
think,
there's
more
than
one
there's
several
grant
opportunities,
I
think
partnering
is
going
to
be
key.
Working
with
the
chamber
is
going
to
be
important.
K
K
You
know
when
his
team
puts
that
plan
together
and
within
the
three
period,
we'll
kind
of
kind
of
kind
of
know
where
you
know
at
the
end,
at
the
end
of
three
years,
we'll
have
a
lot
of
you
know,
make
a
lot
of
improvements
and
look
back
on
it.
I
think,
and-
and
you
know
do
a
lot-
the
good
thing
about
it
is
it's
already
up
and
running,
that's
the
good
part
and
we
can
do
cleaning
and
all
of
that
kind
of
stuff
and
and
come
up
with
those
kinds
of
things.
K
So
I
think
yeah.
It
is
new
for
us,
but
I
think
you
know
it's
one
of
those
things
that
that,
with
all
the
partnerships
and
us
doing
everything
trying
to
be
as
efficient
as
we
can
be,
you
know
we
have
overlap
between
parks
where
we
can,
we
can
provide
some,
like
I
said
earlier,
some
savings
to
to
in
comparison
to
what
the
y
has
been
operating
with.
You
know,
because
we
already
have
insurance
policies.
K
K
If
the
council
goes
this
direction,
I
think
it's
gonna
take
all
of
us
working
together,
because
this
is
something
new
for
us,
and
so
I
think
that
it'll
be
important
for
all
the
all
of
us
as
a
community,
our
partners,
you
know
our
our
citizens
have
spoken
up
in
the
survey.
They
really
really
want
the
green
space
they
like
this
park.
K
A
lot
of
potential
from
the
rental
aspect
and
everything
and
like
mayor
said,
I
think
it's
important
that
we
get
those
partners
that
are
currently
there
that
already
have
their
names
labeled
and
everything
and
bring
those
people
together
to
help
because
sometimes
sweat,
equity
and
just
donating
the
sweat
equity
and
the
materials
and
supplies.
You
know
we
we
can
get
our
community
together
to
to
to
make.
J
To
the
other,
but
it
was,
it
is
beautiful
and
you're
right.
There
were
a
lot
of
structures
on
the
property
that
had
names,
some
that
didn't
that
we
thought
that
you
know
they
were
up,
that
we
can
have
someone
sponsor
it.
We
talked
about
eagle
scout
projects
that
could
be
done
in
the
park.
I
mean
we
threw
a
lot
of
ideas
around,
but
we
need
to
have
something
on
paper
to
at
least
kind
of
say:
these
are
the
things
that
we
can
start
working
on
and
we
can
at
least
rely
on.
K
B
So
for
any
of
the
commissioners
that
have
not
had
a
chance
to
get
out
there,
if
you
can,
if
you
want
to
get
with
edward
dave,
would
be
happy
to
show
you
around.
You
know
so,
just
just
reach
out
to
edward
he'll,
get
you
the
contact
and
they
can
meet
you
out
there
at
the
park,
and
just
so,
you
can
take
a
take.
A
look.
E
I
F
My
name's
rick
gonzalez,
I
live
up
in
northeast
lake
county,
but
I
come
down
here
most
every
month
for
your
bike
trails.
My
kid
my
son
was
at
that
camp.
We
were
many
weeks,
oh
he's
18.
Now
he
doesn't
go
there
anymore,
but
the
I
really
think
it's
a
great
idea.
I
hope
you
find
the
funding.
I
don't
know
if
the
city
can
do
this,
but
I
think
you
might
look
to
crowdfunding,
maybe
go
to
those
150
000
people
ask
every
one
of
them
to
give
you
10
bucks
and
there's
there.
F
B
G
G
G
G
They
went
to
apopka
elementary
apopka
in
wolf
lake
middle
school
and
we
know
and
loved
this
community
with
all
of
our
heart
and
one
of
the
things
that
has
always
amazed
me
was
when
we
would
wear
our
we
want
gear
into
town
and
how
I
could
not
go
to
win
dixie
or
dunkin,
donuts
or
nelson
park.
Without
someone
stopping
me
and
sharing
their
weewa
story,
we
are
always
proud
to
be
from
the
city
of
apopka,
and
the
city
was
always
proud
of
to
share
their
wewa
story.
G
G
G
As
something
that
you
could
never
recreate
as
a
gift
that
had
fallen
into
the
city's
hands,
well,
we
agree,
but
in
this
case
we
think
it's
that
the
city
is
the
gift
that
has
fallen
into
weewa's
hands
when
we
started
spreading
the
words
with
our
peers
and
friends
within
hours.
The
friends
of
wewa
group
got
started
and
we
were
born
with
a
new
mission
to
help
the
city
in
whatever
way
we
can
to
save
camp.
We
will.
G
We
fully
support
the
mission
of
the
ymca
of
central
florida
and
understand
the
current
financial
hardships
it
faces.
We
support
and
encourage
the
leadership
of
the
city
of
apopka
in
their
bold
effort
to
purchase
and
preserve
camp.
We
won't
saving
it
from
becoming
just
yet
another
residential
development.
G
We
want
to
work
with
both
the
ymca
of
central
florida
and
the
city
of
apopka
in
their
collective
efforts
to
maintain
this
historic,
irreplaceable
community
asset.
We
will
coordinate
with
our
wewa
alumni
and
friends,
including
many
of
those
you
saw
in
those
buildings,
those
names
we
know
all
of
them
and
there
are
us-
and
we
want
you
to
rally,
support
and
resources,
to
preserve
this
rare
and
unique
community
asset
for
the
benefit
of
future
generations,
of
greater
orlando
and
the
city
of
apopka
residents.
G
We
want
the
city
to
know
that
as
much
as
the
apopka
has
always
supported.
Camp
wewa
riwa
has
always
supported
apopka.
Many
people
may
not
know
this,
but
camp
wewa
was
originally
not
a
ymca
camp.
The
ymca
bought
it
in
1947
from
the
boy
scouts
who
had
been
running
at
camp
out
there.
Since
the
turn
of
the
century.
G
We
kept
many
of
those
same
traditions
and
the
feel
of
the
land
and
even
though
the
ymca
may
no
longer
own
the
property,
the
wewa
spirit
will
still
remain
and
we
are
confident
that
the
city
will
create
its
own
traditions
and
become
an
even
more
beloved
treasure
of
apopka.
I
want
to
re.
I
want
to
again
reiterate
that
my
friends
and
I
will
support
you
in
any
way,
even
after
the
sale
be
it
visioning
sessions,
be
it.
G
In
closing,
I
want
to
leave
you
with
one
last
memory
for
over
70
years
I
just
watched
the
1969
voices
of
camp
weewa,
video,
which
included
senator
mel
martinez
and
glenda
hood,
okay
and
we'll
verify
that
this
is
true.
Camp
wewa
has
always
ended
each
night
with
what
we
call
the
campfire
song.
The
first
night
goes
like
this
and
don't
worry,
I
won't
sing
it.
I
won't
scar,
it
only
takes
a
spark
to
get
a
fire
going
and
soon
all
those
around
will
warm
up
to
its
glowing.
G
Mr
mayor,
you
and
the
commissioners
have
provided
that
spark
and
over
150
000
people
responded
by
showing
their
love
for
camp.
We
will
please
keep
that
fire
going
and
take
good
care
of
camp
we
all
and
in
the
wewel
tradition.
I
will
leave
you
with
the
last
line
of
our
wish
boat
ceremony,
where
we
ended
on
the
last
night
of
camp,
it's
good
night
and
not
goodbye.
Thank
you.
Thank.
H
I
B
A
Yeah
all
right-
brian
excuse
me.
Yes,
samaria
and
council
people
since
1947.
I
think
apopka
has
the
best
kept
secret
that
we've
seen
in
a
long
time.
That's
available
to
preserve
you
guys
can
find
a
way.
This
is
an
opportunity.
I
think
that
has
been
spoken
by
most
of
you
and
certainly
the
previous
speaker.
A
You
won't
find
this
opportunity
again.
This
is
a
place
that
the
ymca
has
used
as
a
typical
ymca
camp.
It
is
not
now
or
never
will
be
that
again,
because
you
all
can
change
it.
We
as
a
community
can
pull
together
and
make
this
something
that
everybody
that
sees
it
will
want
to
remember
it
and
won't
have
a
choice.
They
will
remember
it
because
it
is
something
that's
not
available.
A
In
many
places,
apopka
has
got,
as
you
all
know,
some
of
the
best
kept
secrets
in
orange
county
and
the
state
of
florida,
and
when
people
find
them,
they
come
back
and
they
keep
coming
back
the
revenue
generating
opportunities,
the
possibilities
of
what's
out
there,
that
we
can
capitalize
on
in
the
future.
We
don't
know
I
served
as
chairman
of
the
board
of
the
ymca
of
upper
pinellas
and
west
pasco
counties
the
largest
single
floor
ymca
in
the
country.
A
It
made
money
off
a
membership
that
used
it.
This
is
an
opportunity
where
you
don't
know
how
much
potential
you've
got.
Financing,
as
ed
said,
is
not
an
issue
right
now.
We've
got
the
ability
to
put
it
together
and
then
make
it
work.
I
would
encourage
you
to
not
let
this
get
away.
This
is
a
best
kept
secret
that
deserves
our
undivided
attention
as
a
community
to
try
to
make
it
work
and
those
that
don't
know
me.
I
published
the
apopka
chief
and
have
for
a
long
time
been
in
this
community
since
1958.
A
it
is.
It
is
a
neat
community
and
I've
always
said
it
is
undoubtedly
the
best
kept
secret,
because
a
lot
of
people
didn't
know
about
us
when
they
found
out
they
moved
here.
I
don't
like
that
part
of
it,
but
it's
happening
everywhere.
We
look.
The
camp.
Wewa
is
a
signature
event
that
we
can
have
like
our
pond
can
site.
I
still
talk
to
people
quite
often
that
don't
know
that
it
exists,
thank
goodness,
otherwise
they
would
be
moving
here.
A
Also,
I
would
suggest
to
you
that
you
find
a
way
to
keep
it
green
and
to
control
the
use
of
that
property,
so
it
doesn't
become
another
gated
community.
We've
got
a
lot
of
those
and
there
will
be
every
spot
that
they
can
put
them,
because
there
is
a
shortage
and
a
need
they
cannot
ever.
We
cannot
ever
develop
and
manufacture
or
can't
we
walk
in
I'd,
encourage
you
to
make
it
work,
guys,
don't
let
it
get
away
from
us.
L
Christine
hello,
I
don't
very
often
come
down
and
speak
to
you
about
issues,
but
this
was
important
to
me
about
camp
wewa
and
I
wanted
to
say
the
ymca
also
approached
the
county
so
that
you're
aware
in
tangelo
park,
and
so
we
will
be
taking
over
that
their
gym
having
to
rebuild
the
swimming
pool.
And
at
this
point
the
estimate
is
about
three
and
a
half
million
dollars.
But
it's
something
that
we're
probably
committed
to
doing
there'll
be
a
vote
on
it
fairly
soon,
and
it's
part
of
that.
L
I
drive
cra
so
so
you're
aware
that
this
is
not
the
only
property,
that's
been
in
jeopardy.
There
may
be
more,
but
I
just
want
to
make
you
aware
of
that
and
when
mayor
nelson
was
commissioner
nelson-
and
I
guess
I
probably
should
go
back
before
that
when
you
think
about
1960
one
of
the
orange
county
commissioners
had
the
vision
when
that
lake
was
was
not
in
a
good
condition.
L
K
B
Awesome.
Thank
you,
commissioner,
appreciate
that.
Okay,
anybody
else
for
the
good
of
the
cause.
Well,
thank
you
everybody
and
thank
you
all
that,
if
looking
on
from
from
youtube,
thank
you
to
the
I.t
department,
a
great
discussion,
we're
just
you
know
right
now
we're
in
a
holding
pattern.
I
think,
but
I
would
plan
on
seeing
this
on
march
3rd.
Is
it
the
will
of
the
council?
Would
you
like
for
brian,
to
put
a
little
effort
into
kind
of
some
programming,
okay
and
just
financial
programming,
and
if
we
were
to
purchase
it.
H
Yeah
yeah,
I
mean
when
I
say,
yeah
the
pro
forma
I
mean
now
granted
all
of
that's
not
going
to
be
steeped
in.
You
know
tremendous
amount
of
fact,
but
it
should
be
directional
to
say
hey.
We
think
that
we
can
host
x
amount
of
campers
per
week
at
a
price
of
x
extrapolate
that
out
or
we
know
that
the
expense
and
I
think,
edward-
you
had
kind
of
brought
it
up.
H
There's
areas
where
this
we're
going
to
be
able
to
leverage
existing
city
functions,
so
we
may
not
will
reduce
certain
expenses
on
on
their
current
p
l
because
we
can
satisfy
it
through
existing
employees
within
the
city.
So
all
that
stuff
you
so
you
build
assumptions
around
it
and
we
have
a
confidence
factor
that
you
know
the
revenues.
Look
sound
so
yeah.
Yes,.