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A
Good
evening
everybody
I'm
Joan
MacIntyre,
chair
of
the
climate
change
energy
and
environment
commission,
we'll
start
out
with
brief
introductions,
starting
with
the
commission,
members
and
then
staff,
and
then
members
of
the
public,
if
you're
coming
in
from
the
public,
if
you
want
to
add,
provide,
let
us
know
in
in
the
chat
or
or
just
verbally,
when
we
get
to
you
whether
you're,
not
you
any
public
comments.
So
just
going
down
my
list.
D
Muted,
thank
you
very
much,
sorry
about
that
I'm,
Doug,
snow
and
boss,
new
member
of
the
commission
and
the
chair
of
the
energy
committee.
Thank
you.
A
A
G
Sorry
about
that
guys,
sorry,
I'm,
Stephen,
I'm
I'm.
A
commissioner
Stephen
bless
you
sorry
about
that.
A
Guys
great
Kevin.
A
A
B
K
Hi
everyone
Eric
Gibbs,
commissioner.
A
Okay,
let's
see
do
you
want
to
go
through
just
the
list
of
the
others
from
the
public,
I
think
Andrew,
okay,.
C
Yeah
again,
when
we
call
out
your
name,
if
you
could
just
introduce
yourself.
C
Well,
welcome
to
the
county,
Colleen.
N
Wner
hi
good
evening,
everyone
great
job,
saying
my
last
name.
That
was
the
right
way
same
thing
as
Andrew,
just
looking
forward
to
learning
and
hopefully
getting.
C
O
That's
okay,
I
I
was
gonna
hop
in.
If
you
missed
me,
Suzanne
swink
no
affiliation
just
listening
in
again.
Thank
you.
Okay,.
A
Okay,
well
welcome
everybody.
We
do
not
have
meetings
yet
from
the
April
meeting.
We'll
have
those
for
for
next
meeting,
so
I
think
we
can
jump
right
to
the
storm
water
management
presentation,
as
we
have
no
public
comments.
C
L
Try
and
go
through
this
quickly,
I
apologize,
because
eileene
could
have
done
a
better
job,
but
she's
already
got
public
meetings
this
week
set
up
so
I
wanted
to
again
just
just
help
out
the
team.
So
just
very
quickly,
as
you
know,
for
those
of
you
who
are
here,
we
had
a
secession,
a
very
significant
and
intense
and
repetitive
storm
Years,
starting
in
2015
2016
and
then
17
18
and
19,
culminating
in
the
historic
storm
of
July,
8th
2019.
L
At
that
time
it
it
became
clear
that
we
did
have
to
make
a
pivot
in
the
storm
water
program,
so
we
did
a
very,
very
strong
kind
of
revisioning
and
redirection
towards
flood
resilient
Arlington.
These
are
just
a
few
still
pictures
I'm
going
to
spare
you.
These
are
actually
some
of
them
taken
from
this
upper
right
hand,
corner
from
videos
that
we
have
where
you
can
see
just
the
ungodly
intensity
and
energy
in
this
water,
that's
flowing
down.
L
We
do
have
a
problem
in
Arlington
or
a
Confluence
of
problems
where
we
have
historic,
Legacy
development
from
20
19440
to
19
19
75.
That
was
quite
significant.
Quite
rapid.
There
used
to
be
92
miles
of
streams
that
chriscross
the
county
during
that
period
of
development.
Over
two-thirds
of
those
streams
were
undergrounded,
piped
dirt
was
put
on
top
of
them
and
we
built
on
top
of
it,
so
that
development
resulted
in
a
system
that
was
underc
capacity
under
sized
and
it
did.
L
It
lacked
a
lot
of
tertiary
infrastru
structure
and,
more
importantly,
because
of
the
dense
development,
we
can't
there
is
critical
watersheds
that
we
cannot
even
access
the
system.
In
addition,
we
have
poor
soils,
we
have
elevation
changes
that
can
be
very
acute
and
parts
of
the
county,
and-
and
we
have
these
intense
storms,
Noah,
measured
the
intensity
or
the
volume
of
water
that
they
project
was
dropped
on
on
July,
8th
2019,
and
you
have
to
understand
that
this
was
kind
of
what
we
refer
to
as
a
striad
storm.
L
So
it
really
was
most
intense
and
more
significantly
intense
across
the
northern
part
of
the
county
rather
than
the
southern,
and
they
estimate
that
there
was
1.5
billion
gallons
of
water
that
fell
from
the
sky
on
Arlington
and
approximately
the
space
of
40
to
45
minutes
that
overwhelmed
very
quickly
a
lot
of
the
Key
Systems
and
vulnerable
watersheds
in
the
northern
part
of
the
county,
three
of
them
feed
into
Four
Mile
Run
that
caus,
the
Waters
of
Four
Mile
Run
at
the
very
you
know,
bottom
in
in
the
southern
part
of
the
county,
where
it
meets
the
bomic
to
rise,
approximately
15
to
70
17
feet
in
that
same
period
of
time
of
40
minutes.
L
So
we
have.
It
is
one
of
our
primary,
if
not
the
primary
Ary
climate
vulnerability,
which
is
Extreme
flooding
and
it's
Inland
flooding.
So
it's
not
even
in
the
FEMA
flood
ples.
The
second
vulnerability
is
more
than
likely
going
to
be
extreme
heat,
but
here's
our
storm
water
challenge.
L
This
is
a
map
of
the
priority
watersheds
for
upgrades
and,
as
you
can
see,
a
lot
of
them
are
in
the
north,
but
there
are
some
very,
very
critical
areas
in
the
South
and
they
do
tend
to
overlap
social
vulnerability
areas
that
we
do
have
in
the
county.
You
may
ask
why
there
isn't
more
of
a
proliferation
in
the
South.
L
It
is
because
very
very
smart
people
way
back
when,
in
the
70s
and
early
80s
put
aside
a
bond
of
approximately
a
hundred
million
dollar
during
that
decade
and
they
purchased
the
FEMA
flood
ples
most
of
the
FEMA
flood
planes,
so
they
could
not
be
developed
in
the
future,
so
they
really
form
a
kind
of
natural
space
and
Overland
relief
for
a
lot
of
the
flooding.
In
that.
L
Area
oops,
sorry
key
elements
of
the
flood
resilient
Arlington
are
we
went
heavy
on
analytics
and
data
assessment,
new
types
and
locations
for
capacity
projects
capacity
refers
to
this
infrastructure
for
the
collection
of
flood
waters
and
conveyance
of
flood
waters.
We
realized
that
because
we
could
not
even
access
the
main
system
in
a
lot
of
cases
that
we
really
needed
to
take
a
broader
View
and
a
more
inventive
view
than
just
straight
conventional
engineering.
L
So
we
added
on
things
such
as
Blended
engineering
and
you're,
going
to
see
in
a
a
couple
of
slides
an
example
of
that
with
our
storm
water,
Vault
detention,
vault
at
the
Cardinal
school,
and
also
property
acquisition
for
land
relief.
There's
one
Watershed
in
in
particular,
where
we
spent
three
years,
exhausting
every
possible
engineering
solution.
There
is
only
one
and
that
is
to
create
Overland
relief.
Overland
relief
as
an
ordinance
did
not
get
adopted
until
1978.
So
again
it
really
came
after
the
fact
of
this.
L
You
know
really
rapid
intense
development
in
arlingon
County.
We
have
increased
storm
water
requirements.
You'll
hear
a
little
bit
more
about
that
increased
funding
just
very
quickly.
A
lot
of
you
are
familiar
with
the
ramp
or
the
risk
assessment
and
management
plan.
Basically
that
took
a
risk
assessment
approach,
which
is
basically
measuring
the
cost
of
an
action
and
when
I
joined
the
county
in
April
of
2018,
the
10year
CIP
for
storm
water
was
approximately
$32
million.
As
a
lot
of
you
are
aware
several
years
ago.
L
After
not
just
you
know,
certain
deliverables
and
certain
calculations
done
under
the
ramp,
including
updated
climate
projections
and
updated
inundation
Maps,
but
also
core
groups
within
the
county
that
included
the
Civic
Federation.
They
they
created
a
specific
executive
storm
water
team
after
the
flooding
that
passed
two
very
extensive
resolutions.
L
So
with
a
lot
of
the
support,
an
urging
of
the
the
population
and
key
stakeholders,
the
10-year
CIP
is
now
at
approximately
$330
million
and
that
believe
it
or
not
came
at
an
a
dominous
increase
to
the
storm
water
rate
and
then
there's
voluntary
property
acquisition
will
come
to
that
and
then
flood
proofing
Outreach.
We
did
a
series
of
presentations
oops,
sorry
about
that
and
Technical
head
talks
with
Insurance,
Agency
Specialists
and
people
from
the
state's
insurance
office
for
the
public
to
really
urge
them
to
take.
L
You
know,
undertake
voluntarily
certain
measures
that
would
not
absolutely
prevent
the
flooding
but
would
Harden
their
homes
against
flooding
entering
their
home
and
just
for
those
of
you
a
little
anecdotal
most
of
your
insurance
policies,
particularly
if
you
get
flood
insurance
I
check
the
fine
print
because
they
typically
exclude
subgrade
structures.
So
particularly
in
Arlington,
where
you
have
a
lot
of
your
building
or
home
systems
and
the
basement
floor
or
the
basement
is
being
used
for
living
space,
sometimes
bedrooms
Etc.
L
They
will
be
automatically
excluded
because
they're
subgrade,
so
we
also
expanded
the
storm
waterer
program,
key
responsibilities,
I'm
not
going
to
go
through
and
read
all
of
these.
You
will
each
be
getting
a
copy
of
this
this
evening,
but
we're
really
looking
at
a
system
assessment
and
the
upgrades
we're
measuring
more
and
measuring
the
impact
of
our
investments.
So
there's
a
a
you
know,
approach
of
looking
at
the
return
on
investment
system,
maintenance
we're
taking
a
much
more
methodical
approach.
L
We
have
you
know
pipe
here
underground
that
actually
is
Clay
pipe.
It
goes
back
that
far
so
we're
prioritizing
and
using
systems
that
are
used
across
the
United
States
to
prioritize
those
repairs
and
make
sure
that
the
Investments
that
we're
doing
every
year
are
hitting
the
most
vulnerable
assets,
flood
planes
and
rpas.
L
Definitely
we're
going
into
that
and
looking
at
additional
regulation
regarding
the
RPA
and
a
lot
of
the
chz
bay
program.
Improvements
address
the
rpas,
those
for
those
of
you
who
are
not
familiar
with
the
acronym.
It's
your
riparian
buffer
areas,
development
of
Regulation
we've
updated
the
land
disturbance
activity
program,
as
well
as
the
ordinance
water
quality.
L
There
stream
resilience
we're
really
looking
and
spending
we're
making
Investments
now
in
Outlets,
which
seem
like
forgotten
assets,
but
they
really
control
again
the
amount
of
water
and
the
velocity
and
energy
of
the
water
that
goes
into
our
streams
unabated.
They
really
cause
a
lot
of
erosion
and
damage
water
quality
and
then
policy
a
lot
of
strategic
planning
getting
very
much
more
dynamic
in
the
legislative
area
and
looking
at
regulation
as.
L
Well,
we
refer
to
it,
and
this
is
our
acronym,
for
it.
I
have
to
call
out
Rich,
because
Rich
has
been
doing
an
extraordinary
job
with
managing
this
project
for
the
past
couple
of
years,
but
this
is
the
risk
assessment
and
management
plan
again,
as
I
alluded
to
this
started
off
with
doing
an
updated
climate
projection
both
for
Inland
flooding
as
well
as
sea
level
rise
and
storm
surge.
L
You
may
say,
but
we're
not
that
vulnerable
we
actually
are,
and
we
are
in
one
of
the
worst
possible
places
which
is
bottom
of
Four.
Mile
Run,
which,
where
is
is,
is
where
we
have
one
of
our
most
key
Civic
assets
and
Facilities
the
water
pollution
treatment
plant.
From
that
we
updated
the
inundation
and
the
the
IDF.
What
we
call
the
intensity,
duration
and
frequency
curves.
L
The
10-year
design,
storm
standard
for
2040
and
2070
has
also
been
you
know,
projected
and
updated,
but
the
10-year
design
storm
for
present
day
it
has
not
yet
been
adopted.
When
that
happens,
it
means
there'll,
be
greater
rigor
in
the
development
both
of
County
projects,
as
well
as
private
developer
projects
for
storm
water.
We
have
vulnerability
assessments,
identification
of
key
government
assets
and
then,
of
course,
my
favorite
thing
in
the
world.
L
I
have
to
tell
you
for
just
about
everything,
what
your
risk
assessments
or
the
cost
of
an
action,
and
to
give
you
just
an
idea
of
what
that
means.
There
is
one
Watershed,
I,
won't
name
it
out
here,
but
when
the
the
ramp
is
published,
you'll
see
it
that
for
a
one-year
annualized
100-year
storm,
the
calculated
loss
is
approximately
$800
million.
L
So
when
you
put
that
into
just
one
Watershed,
then
you
see
how
these
Investments
are
actually
investments
in
resiliency
adaptation,
risk
management
and
abatement,
and
also
protection
of
property,
critical
assets
as
well
as
public
sa.
The
ramp
is
due
for
completion
this
summer
and
Eileen
and
I
are
working
on
content
for
launching
a
ramp
page
soon
and
I
do
want
to
give
just
a
kind
of
tip
of
a
a
kind
of
upcoming
event,
but
it
will
be
no
sooner
than
January
of
2024.
Is
we're
going
to
be
doing
an
Arlington,
resiliency
Summit?
L
That's
going
to
pair
the
energy
Assurance
plan,
which
is
risk
mitigation
for
our
energy
sector
with
the
ramp,
which
is
risk
mitigation
for
storm
water
and
flooding.
So
looking
forward
to
that,
it's
kind
of
exciting
more
to
come
on
that.
To
give
you
an
idea
of
some
key
projects,
this
is
the
Cardinal
school
detention
bolt
which
I
have
previously
mentioned.
The
capacity
of
this
is
approximately
560
,000
cubic
feet.
L
It
has
been
confirmed
by
the
contractor,
who
was
very
proud
of
it
as
one
of
the
largest
storm
water
detention
vaults
in
the
Atlantic
Seaboard,
so
we're
finishing
construction.
This
month
there
was
also
a
supplemental
ad
junk
project
that
we're
completing
that's
on
18th
Street
in
Lexington.
This
is
really
going
to
go
far
to
helping
to
aate
flooding
massive
flooding
that
was
really
adversely
impacting
the
tourist
in
run
and
West
over
watersheds,
particularly
the
commercial
area
of
West.
A
L
Wouldn't
have
held
all
it
because
if
you're
talking
about
2019
Joan
yeah,
depending
on
where
you
are
in
in
the
west,
over
commercial
District,
I
think
that
Noah
calculated
that
the
intensity
in
that
particular
location
was
the
200-year
storm.
So
again,
these
Investments
are
not
going
to
keep
absolutely
dry
feet,
but
we're
confident
that,
with
these
capacity
measures,
the
Blended
engineering
approach
the
property
acquisition
as
well.
L
Well
as
what
we
hope
to
be
programs
that
hopefully
incentivize
or
help
support
hardening
homes
and
businesses
against
flooding
that
what
you're
going
to
do
is
you're
going
to
secure
the
Integrity
of
these
buildings,
be
they
residential
or
commercial.
There
were
a
couple
of
isolated
areas
in
the
northern
part
of
the
county
that,
on
July,
8th
of
2019
experienced
the
equivalent
of
a
500-year.
L
Storm
which
is
fairly
catastrophic
not
as
catastrophic,
is
and
I
always
forget
how
to
pronounce
it
is
it
elott,
City,
yeah
and
Maryland
that
which
you
saw
going
down
their
main
Commercial
Street
in
July
of
2019,
was
the
equivalent
of
the
Thousand
Year
storm
and
that's
just
kind
of
a
poptic.
You
know
at
that
point.
L
Yes,
this
is
the
four
run,
dredging
and
vegetation
removal.
This
is
really
important.
It's
also
part
of
an
agreement
that
both
Alexandria
and
the
county,
Arlington
County,
have
with
the
federal
government
the
US
Army
Corps
of
Engineers,
as
you
can
imagine
over
time
with
all
of
these
waterers
sheds,
essentially
draining
into
Four
Mile
Run
or
a
number
of
them.
L
You
also
get
the
accumulation
of
sediment,
and
one
of
the
other
things
that
I
should
mention
is
that
back
in
the
70s
and
the
early
8,
as
they
were
also
acquiring
all
of
the
flood
planes,
the
FEMA
flood
planes
and
preventing
future
development
from
those.
They
also
did
a
re
channelization
at
the
bottom
of
Four
Mile
Run,
which
allowed
for
the
capacity
of
storm
water.
It
was
a
very,
very
significant
project.
Nonetheless,
it
does
over
time
accumulate
a
lot
of
sediment.
The
water
quality
goes
down.
L
It
has
adverse
impacts
on
chz
Bay,
the
Chesapeake
Bay,
and
the
agreement
with
the
Army
Corps
of
Engineers,
and
the
federal
government
has
landmarks
and
Milestones
and
benchmarks
that
we
have
to
meet
both
Arlington
County
and
the
city
of
Alexandria
were
out
of
compliance
Arlington
on
one
level,
I
think
Alexandria
on
three.
This.
The
completion
of
this
project
has
brought
at
least
Arlington
County
into
full.
L
Compliance,
this
is
the
Bolston
Pond
project.
This
is
a
really
really
unique
project.
This
really
looked
at
managing.
It
has
so
many
environmental
benefits,
but
it
also
managed
the
flow
of
rainfall
into
blubber
run.
It
mitigated
that
that
kind
of
volume
coming
from
approximately
450
acres
worth
of
land
that
was
draining
into
lber
run.
So
this
Pro
project
has
deepened
the
capacity
of
Bolston
Pond.
It
has
added
a
number
of
environmental
assets
to
it,
Environmental
Education
so
and
it
is
currently
one
of
the
largest
pollutant
reduction
credit
projects
in
Arlington.
L
County
and
for
those
of
you
that
are
not
familiar
when
we
say
pollutant
reduction
credits,
these
are
actual
regulatory
mandates
that
we
have
to
meet
under
what
they
term
a
an
MS
permit,
sparrows
Pond,
again,
construction
starting
this
fall,
and
it's
going
to
be
completed
by
late
spring
of
next
year.
This
is
another
similar
type.
It
was
a
pond
that
was
actually
created
back
in
2001,
I,
believe
but
again.
L
Sedimentation
over
time
has
not
only
you
know,
severely
reduced
the
capacity
capacity
of
this
Pond,
but
it's
had
a
number
of
very
significant
adverse
environmental
impacts.
So
they're
going
to
increase
the
volume
of
the
pond
with
this
project,
they're
also
going
to
undertake
a
number
of
improvements
that
are
going
to
vastly
improve
the
water
quality
and
it's
going
to
provide
habitat
and
courage.
L
Biological,
really,
an
ecosystem
for
everything,
from
birds
to
small
mammals,
to
amphibians
and-
and
you
know,
fish
so
more
to
come
on
that
and
yet
again,
another
very
significant
nutrient
credit
under
the
ms4
program.
Some
of
you
I,
don't
know
whether
there's
anybody
present
who
lives,
for
example,
maybe
the
blumont
area
FEMA
came
in
and
FEMA
comes
in.
L
You
know
arbitrarily
every
several
years
and
says
well
we're
going
to
look
at
our
firm's
map
and
that's
the
flood
insurance
rate
Maps
and
that's
where
they
and
I'm
I
apologize,
I'm
I'm
on
one
of
those
Transportation
corridors,
and
it
reminds
me
of
you
know
my
my
hometown,
New
York
City,
with
all
the
sound
effects
in
the
background,
but
the
firms
Maps
what
they
do
is
Alter
those
and
those
really
draw.
L
Typically,
they
expand
the
firm's
maps
to
catch
our
additional
properties,
and
when
you
are
within
one
of
these
zones,
you
become
situated
within
FEMA
flood
plane.
So
the
insurance
requirements
change
so
FEMA
came
in
and
we
were
having
a
bit
of
a
difficult
time
and
struggling
a
lot
with
this
FAS.
You
can
imagine
really
struggles
to
be
capitalized
sufficiently,
particularly
with
all
the
extreme
weather
events
all
around
the
nation.
So
what
they
did
is
they
really
didn't
come
in
and
do
engineering
studies
or
even
sample
engineering
studies?
L
They
used
a
methodology
that
was
really
from
the
air
kind
of
a
a
radar
and
they
determined
that
they
were
going
to
expand
the
FEMA
flood
planes.
It
did
affect
a
lot
of
property
owners
who
came
to
us
and
and
really
asked
for
storm
water
to
exhaust
every
possibility
to
appeal
of
the
maps.
So
this
is
just
a
record
of
the
exhaustive
level
of
effort,
because
these
appeals
I
think
the
in
the
first
wave
we
F
19
appeals.
A
Deitra,
just
how
accurate
do
you
think
those
maps
are
or
how
do
they
compare
to
the
flooding
they
saw
in
2019
is
I
mean
you.
L
Know
I'm
going
to
be
honest
with
you
Joan
we
did
send
actual.
You
know,
engineering.
We
ordered
engineering
surveys
of
a
number
of
these
areas
where
the
residents
had
come
up
to
us
and
said
we
don't
understand
why
this
is
the
case.
We've
never
flooded,
including
in
2019
19.
So
we
conducted
engineering
studies
and
we
came
out
on
using.
You
know
a
conventional,
widely
used
methodology
and
it
was
the
basis
for
appeal
and
in
most
cases,
female
rejected
the.
L
Planes,
no,
they
were
close
to
flood
planes.
What
happened
here
here
was
they
didn't
kind
of
create
a
new
flood
plane
where
none
previously
existed?
What
they
did
was
they
just
came
back
and
had
this
expansion,
this
kind
of
wider
buffer
that
captured
more
properties
and
said
these
properties
are
now
within
the
FEMA
FL
plan.
A
Just
Mel
is
in
the
waiting.
P
L
Thank
you
great
is
the
presentation
back
up
yeah
okay,
so
we
were
not
as
successful
as
we
would
have
liked
to
have
been
in
the
back
and
forth,
but
we
exhausted
every
procedural.
You
know
apparatus
and-
and
you
know,
process
available
to
us.
L
A
L
L
Factor,
so
moving
on
to
the
LDA,
this
land
disturbance
activity
permit,
we
saw
that
again.
There
was
just
changes
in
the
patterns-
the
weather
patterns.
Here
that
really
rendered.
There
were
two
reasons:
one
the
the
rainfall
patterns
had
changed
sufficiently
for
us
to
really
expand
the
number
and
the
type
of
bmps
or
best
management
practices
that
you
could
use
land
disturbance
activity.
We
get
approximately
3
to
350
of
these
applications
every
year
classically.
L
This
is
where
you
look
down
the
street
and
somebody
sells
their
home
to
a
developer
and
he
comes
in
and
he
completely
flattens
and
demolishes
the
1945
five.
You
know,
1300
square
foot
Rambler
and
the
next
thing
you
know,
there's
a
let's
put
it
this
way:
a
much
larger
house
with
much
more
square
feet,
a
lot
of
development.
There
is
no
local
rule
in
Virginia.
L
We
are
really
constrained
or
limited
by
state
law,
and
state
law
has
something
they
call
Buri
development,
which
allows
someone
who
buys
the
property
to
do
an
extraordinary
amount
of
really
changing
the
profile
and
the
ecosystem
of
the
former
lot
by
right.
So
we
have
this
land
disturbance
activity
that
essentially
says
if
you
disturb
more
than
2,000
square
feet,
you're
going
to
have
to
also
integrate
into
the
design
of
the
final
home.
L
L
In
the
other
reason
that
we
changed
it
is
we
wanted
to
give
developers
kind
of
Greater
choice
and
a
little
bit
more
more
assets
to
use.
So
we
did
develop
engineering
templates
because
the
complaint
was
they
had
to
go
through
site
plan
review
every
time
it
was
rejected,
they
had
to
go
back
and
redesign,
and
typically,
at
that
time,
before
the
update
there
were
2.8
passes
that
you
know
on
average
that
developers
had
to
make,
and
they
said
it
just
costs
too
much
time
and
money
to
comply.
L
So
what
we
did
was
give
them
Advanced
engineering
templates,
which
really
cut
down
on
the
amount
of
time
that
they
had
to
spend
in
order
to
comply
with
the
ordinance
and
withth
program
and,
as
you
can
see,
one
of
the
two
of
the
new
measures
that
we
added
were
these
detention.
You
know
kind
of
systemns
that
can
conveniently
fit
underneath
a
raised
deck
as
well
as
these
kind
of
water
detention,
greater
systems
that
you
can
fit
along
the
side
of
the.
L
House,
the
voluntary
property
acquisition
program
again,
what
we're
doing
is
we're
looking
to
it's
a
voluntary
program,
so
we're
really
looking
particularly
at
large
watersheds,
where
you're
trying
to
establish
Overland
relief
at
this
point,
we're
hoping
that
the
rate
of
the
acquisition,
the
voluntary
acquisition
and
the
pattern
of
it
really
meets
this
Corridor
because,
for
example,
Spout
Run.
Not
surprisingly,
this
is
an
area
that
receives
really
significant
flooding,
I
mean
quite
significant
and
not
surprisingly,
the
flooding
seems
to
follow
the
pathway
of
the
original.
L
The
original
string
water
goes
where
nature
intended
it
to
go.
So
we
know
in
these
inundation
Maps,
where
we
have
to
acquire
where
we
have
to
build
these
corridors
of
Overland
relief.
I
have
to
say
that
we're
acquiring
property
fairly
briskly
in
certain
areas,
I'm
not
being
very
detailed
about
this,
because,
as
you
can
imagine,
it's
a
very
significant
process
that
until
you
actually
go
to
the
board
with
a
a
agreement
of
sale,
a
proposed
agreement
of
sale.
L
It's
not
considered
even
a
contract
until
the
board
approves
it,
and
the
property
owners
typically
want
a
great
deal
of
confidentiality
so
that
if
something
goes
wrong
or
there
isn't
an
approval
by
the
board
or
they
cannot
meet
an
agreement
with
the
real
estate
Bureau
of
the
county,
that
they
are
not
putting
all
of
their
information
out
there
and
jeopardizing
or
di
missioning.
The
value
on
their.
A
We
converting
to
just
there
there
have
been
three
properties
in
the
Waverly
Hills
area
has
that
have
they
all
been
actually
approved
by
the.
L
A
L
Okay,
we're
converting
to
a
storm
water
utility.
We
could
talk
about
this
all
night
I
am
going
to
let
you
know
that
there
has
been
a
significant
amount
of
public
engagement
about
the
storm
water
utility.
That
engagement
will
continue
at
a
Brisk
pace
through
the
rest
of
this
year.
One
of
the
reasons:
why
is
because
every
storm
water
utility
by
under
Virginia
law
has
to
offer
a
credit
program?
I
want
to
emphasize.
This
is
a
credit
program
and
not
an
incentive
program.
L
I
know
a
lot
of
our
constituents
understandably,
would
like
us
to
use
it
as
that,
but
again
we're
very,
very
constrained
by
Virginia
law.
So,
in
order
for
people
to
enjoy
the
credit,
ideally
the
the
utility
is
the
first
bill
out
of
the
utility
is
estimated
to
go
out
in
February
of
next
year.
So
we
want
to
give
people
several
months,
ideally
starting
in
November,
to
be
able
to
get
there.
L
You
know
storm
waterer,
credit
measures,
whether
it
be
planting,
trees
or
otherwise,
and
to
be
able
to
file
for
those
so
that
they
will
show
up
as
a
credit
on
their
first
bill.
The
storm
water
utility
is
not
away.
I
know,
there's
been
some
discussion
of
it
as
well.
You
went
to
a
storm
waterer
utility
because
you
needed
to
raise
more
money.
This
is
not
raising
any
more
money
than
there
was
literally
on
the
on
the
tax
when
right.
L
Presently,
the
storm
water
program
is
fund
through
an
additional
line
item
on
your
property
tax
bill,
but
what
it
was
was
a
more
Equitable
way.
17
out
of
the
19
storm
waterer
districts
in
Virginia
have
converted
to
a
utility.
Only
two
remain
as,
as
you
know,
just
plain
districts.
We
are
one
of
them
and
Fairfax
county
is
the
other
and
in
fact,
I
think
that
Fairfax
City
in
fact
went
off
individually
and,
and
recently
last
year,
formed
the
storm
water
utility.
L
What
this
is
doing
is
reconfiguring
the
payment
not
based
on
the
value
of
the
property
but
based
on
the
footprint
of
impervious
on
the
parcel.
So
it's
really
seen
as
being
more
Equitable,
because
the
the
fee
is
really
judged
according
to
the
impact
of
the
impervious
on
storm
water
and
on
runoff
and
flooding.
L
There
is
a
tool,
a
calculator
that
is
available
on
the
County's
website.
Now
that
will
allow
people
to
go
in
put
in
their
address
and
it
will
come
up
with
an
estimate
because
the
the
rate
has
not
yet
been
adopted
and
we'll
probably
be
adopted
by
the
board
in
November.
As.
L
Well,
so
how
would
a
utility
work
it's
basically
based
on
what
they
call
equivalent
residential
units
and
we
went
through
and
did
a
heavy
early
analysis
of
really
all
of
the
the
buildings
and
the
residences
in
Arlington
County
and
measured
their
impervious
to
non-
impervious
ratio
and
really
looked
at?
What
does
that
information?
You
know
how
does
that
inform
standards
of
what
what
equals
or
how
you
define
an
equivalent
residential
unit?
L
The
one
thing
that
I
can
tell
you
is
that
Virginia
law
really
constrained
us
with
Equity,
so
you're
not
allowed
to
utilize
any
of
the
revenues
in
order
to
benefit
any
particular
group,
even
lowincome
groups.
So
what
we
did
is
we
went
through
a
tiered
process
that
has,
you
know,
shifted
a
bit
more
of
the
multifam
to
larger
highrises
in
more
affluent
areas
and
away
from
the
multifam
sayate
in
barcraft.
L
It
was
just
a
measure
that
we
recommended
to
the
board
and
they
adopted
in
order
to
meet
all
the
considerations
of
equity
and
the
duty
to
equity
that
the
board
has
adopted
by
its
policy.
I'm
not
going
to
read
this,
but
this
is
really
going
through
the
residential
credits.
Again
everybody's
going
to
get
a
copy
of
this,
so
I
encourage
you
to
look
at
it.
We've
done
a
great
deal
of
public
engagement
about
this
again.
L
It's
really
important
to
know
that
this
is
a
credit
program,
not
an
incentive
program,
so
there
are
limitations
again
in
what
we
can
do
with
this.
I
know
that
a
lot
of
The
Advocates
and
our
our
environmental
stakeholders
really
would
have
loved
for
this
to
be
something
that
they
could
use
to
really
incentivize
additional
tree
planting
and
tree
protection,
but
we're
we're
limited
in
our
scope
of
what
we
can
do
through
the
credit
program
and
then,
of
course,
there's
reduce
your
flood
risk,
and
this
is
really
going.
L
These
here
are
hyperlinks
to
understand
your
flood
risk
webinars
again,
these
are
videos
of
the
technical
panels
that
we
had
so
we
had
developers.
We
had
contractors
to
come
in
and
talk
about
hardening
measures
that
you
can
use
with
your
homes
and
your
businesses
really
looking
at
insurance,
and
you
know
really
realize
what
you're
paying
for
and
what's
excluded
and
also
just
strategies
that
you
can
use
to
keep
drink
and
flood
has
clear
and
we
do
have
an
Arlington
alert.
L
So
it's
really
good
to
subscribe
to
that
as
well,
and
with
that
that
is
that's
just
the
kind
of
you
know
cursory
overview
of
what's
going
on.
There
are
an
incredible
number
of
projects,
and
you
know
both
in
maintenance,
Capital
maintenance
capacity
and
water
quality
and
stream
restoration
that
we're
doing
at
this
particular
time.
We
also
have
been
very
fortunate
in
the
past
year
or
or
very
successful,
at
being
in
more
alternative
funding.
L
L
We
also
received
earmark
funds
for
a
number
of
a
constellation
of
green
streets
projects
that
are
currently
out
of
design
and
starting
construction
shortly,
so
those
will
be
completed
by
late
spring
of
next
year
and
we
continue
to
apply
for
additional
grants
as
they
they
come
up.
We're
certainly
looking
at
the
infrastructure,
the
iig,
as
well
as
the
Ira,
to
see,
if
there's
anything
there,
that
we
can
apply
towards
our
both
our
energy,
our
climate
and
certain
our
storm
water
projects.
I,
don't
know
if
there
are
any
questions.
F
I,
there's
there's
one
in
the
chat,
I
think
Jonathan
put.
C
L
Program,
because
what
you
have
to
do
is
basically
set
up
a
list
of
measures,
a
number
of
credits
that
collectively
don't
exceed
a
particular.
You
know
percentage
and
you
can't
use
it
as
an
incentive
program
to
say
hi.
We
will
give
you
x
amount
of
dollars
off
your
bill
for
the
next
10
years.
If
you
don't
remove
that
canopy
Tree
in
your
backyard,
so
we
can't
do
tree
protection
measures
and
things
of
that
nature.
It's
really
an
incentive
is
to
reward
you
for
not
doing
something
or
for
doing
something.
F
Yeah,
okay,
hey
Jah,
can
I
go
back
to
yeah
I
just
want
to
make
sure
I
heard
something
you
said
at
the
very
beginning:
Demetra,
which
was
did
you
say,
twoth
thirds
of
the
streams
in
Arlington
were
covered
over?
L
L
But
it
was
just
this
rapid
development
that
you
know
just
came
around
the
period
of
World,
War
II
and
certainly
afterwards,
where
Arlington
became
a
bedroom
community
of
Washington
DC
that
there
was
just
such
significant
development
and
what
you
had
was
kind
of
non-continuity,
because
some
of
the
infrastructure
was
constructed
by
the
county
by
the
government
and
then
some
infrastructure
was
constructed
by
developers.
So
there
wasn't,
you
know
a
fome
strategy
and
certainly
back
then
no
one
was
anticipating
climate
change.
They
just
weren't.
F
And
and
but
you
have
the
maps
from
you
when
we
know
where
all
of
the
for
the
stuff
that
was
piped,
you
know
where
all
of
that
is
and
then
the
stuff
that's
is
bulldozed
over
is
just
so,
and
this
is
guiding
your
the
County's,
as
you
said,
delicate
purchase
of
of
property.
Now
as
well.
L
Well,
because
it
doesn't,
you
know
the
original
stream.
There
is
a
a
presentation
that
we
have
where
we
show
you
the
pathway
of
the
most
significant
flooding
in
Spout
Run,
and
not
surprisingly,
when
you
look
at
the
pathway
of
the
original
main
stem
stream
and
that
Watershed
that's
exactly
they,
they
identically
overlay
each
other.
So
it's
it's
where
nature
wanted
the
water
to
go
and
where
it
still
insists
on
going
quite
frankly,
so
so
yeah,
but
we
do.
L
We
have
all
of
the
you
know,
kind
of
historical
assets
ploted,
and
we
have
all
of
the
system.
You
know
assets
as
they
now
exist,
mapped
in
cograph
and
also
mapped
on
GIS.
Thank.
A
You
are,
are
you
looking
at
opportunities
to
actually,
obviously
most
of
those
streams
can't
be
restored,
but
are
there
any
areas
where
there
might
actually
be
able
to
restore
a
significant
portion
of
some
of
those
streams,
and
how
does
that
play
into
the
the
broader
plans?
Quite.
L
Honestly,
the
answer
to
that
is
no
just
because
in
the
southern
part
you
know
and
again
this
is
not
a
hard
and
fast
rule.
But
again
when
you
see
the
South
having
a
more
limited
number
of
areas
that
are
vulnerable,
it's
because
of
that
large
purchase
of
the
FEMA
flood
planes,
the
water.
You
know
the
the
watersheds
were
just
lower
there.
L
They
weren't
they
didn't
have
the
acute
as
many
of
the
acute
elevation
changes
that
you
had
in
Northern
County,
and
that
was
all
that
property
was
acquired
and
development
was,
you
know,
prevented
it
was
turned
into
open
space,
Green
Space
and
a
lot
of
it
is
used
for
Parks,
so
you'll
notice
that
we
do
get
these
intense
floods-
everybody's,
like
oh,
my
God,
the
entire
park
got
totally
flooded
and
particularly
below
Route
50.
That's
the
case
so,
but
there
are
very
significant
areas
of
vulnerability.
L
I,
don't
want
to
act
as
though
they
don't
exist
and
those
are
areas
where
we
had
significant
flooding
and
to
be
honest
with
you,
somewhat
perilous
flooding
in
one
particular
area
on
on
the
Pike
on
Columbia
Pike
that
where
looking
at
and
it's
another
one
where
you
know
again
just
development
afterwards,
other
infrastructure
don't
forget:
we've
got
water
and
sewer
and
gas
lines
that
are
also
underground.
L
So
it
becomes
a
very,
very
tricky
area
when
you're
talking
about
the
northern
part
of
the
county,
Jan,
quite
frankly,
there's
just
there's
building
on
top
of
everything
or
right.
Next
to
it,
we
have
a
number
of
main
stem
pipes.
You
know
the
the
main
80in
pipes
where
you've
got
buildings
and
the
Footers
are
maybe
2
feet
off
the
pipe.
So
you
can't
even
go
in
and
construct
anything.
You
know
in
that
constrained
in
area
so
to
be
able
to.
O
I
Yeah
Demetri
I
wondered
if
you
might
like
to
comment
a
little
bit
about
how
some
of
the
particularly
the
information
resources
you're
you're,
building
up
through
the
ramp.
How
might
that
help
us,
as
we
do
things
like
sprc
review.
L
Well,
I'm
glad
you
brought
it
up
the
reason
I
would
really
love
for
the
county
to
you
know,
adopt
the
inundation
maps.
Is
that
we're
putting
out
an
RP
now
and
Jan's?
Looking
at
the
clock,
so
I'm
going
to
be
brief,
we
are
putting
out
a
new
RFP
in
terms
of
strategic
planning,
there's
's
a
lot
of
elements
to
it:
six
different
categories:
the
strategic
planning.
L
There
are
two
things
that
we're
going
to
be
doing
right
away,
and
one
of
them
is
a
flood
resilient
design
and
construction
guidelines
manual
and
the
other
one
is
kind
of
a
very,
very
Innovative
future
facing
approach
towards
green
infrastructure,
but
the
the
flood
we're
we're
going
to
be
looking
and
we're
using
presently
even
internally
information
data
and
flow
maps
from
the
ramp
in
order
to
sit
down
with
our
colleagues
and
talk
about
areas
along
planned,
linkston
Boulevard,
for
example,
because
there's
certain
areas
where
those
kind
of
you
know
flood
vulnerability
areas
cross
over
a
couple
of
places
of
Langston
Boulevard,
so
we're
looking
at
using,
hopefully
moving
forward
with
commercial
development
there,
where
we're
hoping
again
that
they
leave
certain
surface
Lots
in
place.
L
So
that
we
can
put
more
detention
underneath
those
surface
Lots
we're
looking
at
basically
can
we,
you
know:
if
we're
going
to
have
height
waivers,
can
we
also
have
increased
setbacks,
so
we
can
put
storm
water
management
in
those
areas
and
particularly
look
at
that
that
the
manual
the
design
and
guidance
manual
we're
looking
forward
to
that
being
very
illustrative,
because
we're
hoping
that
then,
once
you
have
the
manual
you
sit
down
with
permitting
and
with
zoning,
and
you
start
talking
about
not
preventing
development
but
requiring
different
types
of
development
in
those
vulnerability
areas.
L
K
Eric
Demetra
thanks
so
much
for
the
presentation
and
all
the
lengthy
explanation.
It's
pretty
sobering,
actually
and
I'm.
Just
curious,
I'd
love
to
hear
your
perspective
on
the
level
of
sort
of
awareness
concern
at
the
level
of
the
the
County
Board
and
the
role
that
we
can
play
as
c2e2
in
I.
Guess
elevating
this
issue
in
our
own.
L
Capacity,
you
know
the
board
was
responsive,
but
the
board
was
responsive
to
the
public
and
to
stakeholders
in
the
public,
including
c2e2,
the
Civic,
Federation
and
other
groups,
and
with
Civic
associations
who
are
just
being
very
hard
hit.
There
were
commercial
areas
that
were
being
hard
hit
and
there
just
wasn't
any
basis.
L
The
reason
that
I
sat
down
with
the
storm
water
team,
both
Jason
Papa
Cosa,
who
heads
the
water
quality
as
well
as
Liz,
Thurber,
who's,
a
brilliant
engineer
and
she
runs
the
capacity
program
and
I
said
we're
never
going
to
get
the
resources
that
you
need
need
in
order
for
really
long-term
resilience.
If
we
don't
measure
risk
and
it
was
that
measurement
out
of
the
ramp,
it
was
looking
at
what
the
cost
of
in
action
was
that
I
I've
used
it
in
California
and
I've,
used
it
for
nine
different
sectors.
L
I've
used
it
for
energy,
Transportation,
everything,
flooding,
extreme
heat,
of
course,
in
California,
you've
got
got
wildfires
and
that
nature
and
that's
what
really
speaks
to
governance.
It
speaks
to
policy
makers,
it
speaks
to
elected
officials
and
it
speaks
to
the
entire
community
and
I'll.
Try
and
be
precise
about
this
point.
If
you're,
not
in
an
area
where
your
house
was
flooded,
the
biggest
absence
of
knowledge
is
that
people
think
well
I
didn't
get
flooded,
so
I'm
not
going
to
worry
about
it
and
actually
what
the
ramp
does
is
it
lets?
L
One
of
the
really
interesting
things
that
I
can't
wait
to
share
with
c2e2
is
I
built
into
the
scope,
a
market
report,
because
I
did
this
in
California
for
the
first
time
back
in
20
2012,
which
was
a
market
projection
and
the
basic
kind
of
illustr
there
is,
if
you
are
going
to
get
flooded
all
the
time
you
are
not
going
to
get
insured.
If
you
can't
insure
your
property,
then
a
bank
really
is
hesitant.
If
at
all,
you
know
inclined
to
issue
a
mortgage
on
it.
L
So
your
insurability
Cascades
into
your
bank
ability
Cascades
into
your
marketability
and
when
you
have
kind
of
widespread
or
you
have
significance,
SWS
of
your
county
that
are
being
affected,
that
way,
property
values
are
going
to
go
down,
and
that
affects
everybody
that
affects
the
revenue
that
we
have
in
order
to
meet
all
of
the
expectations
and
priorities
of
complete
constituency,
and
very,
very
importantly-
and
this
is
now
coming
and
I
was
so
excited
to
hear.
Jason
free,
our
bond
manager
say
this
in
a
a
very
important
public
event.
L
A
few
weeks
ago
is
that
Moody
and
standard
and
pores
several
years
ago
started
messaging
that
they
were
going
to
start
considering
in
their
bond
ratings
of
of
government
agencies,
not
simply
whether
they
had
climate
and
adaptation
and
resiliency
plans,
but
what
their
Capital
programs
were
and
if
they
were
actually
investing
and
implementing
those
plans,
and
now
evidently
moodies
and
standard
and
pores
are
being
far
more
open
and
far
more
clear
about
their
intent
to
have
that
effect.
L
A
You
could
you
talk
a
little
bit
about
how
you're
looking
say
comprehensively
at
watersheds
speak.
You
know
to
make
sure
I
say
you
know
using
strategies
that
as
much
as
possible
is
control
water
at
the
source,
I
mean
you
spend
a
lot
of
money
on.
You
know
stream,
restoration
or
restoration
of
Sparrow
Pond
from
silting,
but
it's
just
going
to
silt
over
again.
If,
if
you're
not
managing
some
of
that
runoff
from
the
from
the
source
and
and
where
kind
of
nature-based
solutions
fit
into
that.
L
Joan
I
want
you
to
put
a
pin
in
that,
because
I'm
really
excited
about
the
scope
that
we're
doing
for
for
lack
of
a
better
word,
the
green
infrastructure.
You
know,
plan
coming
out
of
storm
water.
It
is
not
your
grandmother's
green
infrastructure
plan
or
your
mother's,
it's
kind
of
like
the
the
generation
that
hasn't
yet
been
born,
three
generations
from
now
and
we're
looking
at
really
and
and
the
excitement
about
that
is.
L
We
basically
essentially
sat
down
I
asked
GIS
to
give
me
an
estimate
of
the
amount
of
developed
or
developable
land
that
is
controlled,
owned
and
controlled
by
the
county,
and
it's
between
four
and
6%.
So,
if
you're
going
to
meet
your
climate
goals,
if
you're
going
to
meet
your
energy
goals,
if
you're
going
to
meet
your
storm
water
goals,
your
runoff
goals,
your
green
infrastructure
goals,
your
biofil
goals.
L
All
of
that
you
are
not
going
to
do
it
without
a
really
rigorous,
extensive
and
and
vibrant
portfolio
of
public
private
Partnerships,
and
really
looking
at
not
just
trees
and
I'm,
not
not
putting
down
trees.
I
started
off
my
entire
career
in
climate,
in
green
infrastructure
and
urban
forestry,
but
really
to
expand
that
portfolio
to
really
grab
every
single
and
it's
going
to
be
an
issue
with
extreme
heat
too.
So
please,
I,
I'm,
really
excited
I,
can't
wait
to
bring
that
forward
to
this
group
and
get
your
input
and
your
ideas
on
that.
A
Procur
getting
a
a
green
infrastructure
plan,
that's
going
to
be
done
through
an
RF
that
hasn't
been
done.
It's
just
a
concept.
L
It's
a
concept,
but
we
very
carefully
laid
it
out
in
the
scope
of
the
RFP,
because
what
we
want
is
for
firms
to
when
they
apply
really
put
their
best
foot
forward
in
that
area.
To
let
them
know
that
the
award
is
really
going
to
be
judged
and
part
on
that.
L
Ramp
will
be
ready
this
summer
and
what
it's
looking
at
is,
like
you
said,
there's
flooding,
then
there's
runoff
and
then
there's
ambient
control
of
the
environment,
particularly
in
the
face
of
increasing
you,
know,
extreme
heat
and
those
are
going
to
those
are
not
siloed
plans
or
siloed
areas
they
all
cross
over
and
are
inter
sensitive
with
each
other.
So
the
ramp
is
really
going
to
give
us
in
terms
of
flooding
what
we
have
to
do
in
order
to
secure
assets.
L
What
we
have
to
do
in
order
to
manage
storm
water,
what
we
have
to
do
to
protect
the
value
of
properties
to
be
a
place
where
businesses
are
not
afraid
to
build
and
stay,
attract
new
businesses
and
really
to
protect
Public
Health
as
well.
So
you
know
when
you
get
there
in
the
ram,
that's
really
about
all
of
those
assets
and
sustainability
at
a
really
really
heightened
level
and
competitiveness
on
over
the
long
term.
L
But
then
you've
got
all
of
these
other
areas,
such
as
this
green
infrastructure
plan
and
the
flood
resilient
design
and
construction
guidelines
that
are
all
aspects
of
that
again.
They
just
interplay
with
each
other.
In
very
necessary
ways.
A
L
L
Seeing
the
other
PowerPoint-
yes,
yes,
okay,
for
those
of
you
again,
we've
got
some
members
that
have
joined
within
the
past
year.
So
I'm
going
to
be
very
quick
about
this.
So
this
is
the
these
are
the
six
sectors
of
the
community
energy
plan,
so
you've
got
buildings,
resilience
of
course,
renewable
energy,
Transportation
government
itself,
and
then
behavioral
change,
so
I'm
just
going
to
go
through
very
quickly
and
give
you
an
update
on
what
is
generally
happening.
This
is
an
exhaustive.
These
are
highlights
so
in
terms
of
buildings.
L
Right
now,
as
as
c2e2
is
aware,
we're
preparing
the
to
take
the
proposal
to
Mike,
Moon
and
Greg
Rich
has
been
working
very
closely
with
Paul
and
Victoria
on
that
as
well
to
our
leadership.
It
is
going
to
be
a
very
bold
and
and
unexpected
proposal
we'll
either
go
down
and
Flames
or
we'll
be
successful,
but
we
hope
that
the
plan
is
going
to
speak
for
itself.
Then
we're
also
doing
rich
is
doing
an
update
to
the
cace
ordinance.
L
We're
also
looking
at
the
possibility
of
cpay
to
be
an
a
means,
a
financial
mechanism
for
let's
say,
churches
that
don't
want
to
get
just
credits,
because
the
credits
are
limited.
I
want
to
say
is:
are
there
ways
that
we
can
reduce
our
impervious
so
we're
looking
at
giving
other
financing
mechanisms,
and
now
that
interest
rates
are
so
high,
the
PACE
program
is
actually
quite
competitive
and
it
has
some
advantages
over
just
a
standard
L.
L
Technologically,
we
are
completing
the
first
C2C
initial
enell
partnership.
That's
the
national
renewable
energy
Laboratories
it
we
focused
that
initial
technical
partnership
on
the
barro
community
and
the
profile
of
the
buildings
there
they're
very
old.
It
is
you
know
the
the
County's
largest
and
oldest
lowincome
U
housing
community,
and
it's
going
to
remain
that
because
of
an
agreement
with
the
new
barcraft
community,
the
land
owner,
the
property
owner,
as
well
as
the
county
and
Amazon,
with
our
investments
we're
looking
and
having
further
discussions
with
enre.
L
This
partnership
has
been
so
fruitful,
we're
looking
at
further
Partnerships
with
them
to
expand.
For
example,
if
we
are
successful
in
our
Federal
grant
applications
under
air,
we
are
also
looking
to
possibly
use
them
as
a
consultant
in
our
community
Choice
aggregation
and
aggregated
Retail,
Choice,
legal
and
Regulatory
assessment.
L
We're
doing
that
to
see
if,
in
fact,
CCA
is
legally
and
under
the
regulatory
system
viable
in
the
format
that
you
need
or
in
the
structure
that
you
need
in
order
to
have
it
pencil
out
and
make
Financial
sense
for
your
rate
payers,
but
also
we've
added
on
just
in
case.
If
the
assessment
of
you
know,
expert
firms
comes
back
and
says,
no,
it
doesn't
really
exist,
ideally
in
Virginia.
What
we've
asked
and
added
on
is
either
aggregated
retail
choice.
L
We
have
a
number
of
fellow
governments
all
throughout
the
Commonwealth
that
are,
you
know
with
us
on
this
one
or
looking
at
other
financing
mechanisms
where
we
can
purchase.
You
know
proximate
within
the
Commonwealth
new,
renewable
energy
resources
and
an
agreement
with
a
third
party
non-utility
developer.
Also
I've
mentioned
our
federal
grants.
We
did
file
our
first
of
many
on
April
14th,
that
was
under
the
epa's
environmental
justice,
with
their
government
to
government,
grant
we're
kind
of
excited.
We
should
hear
a
response.
L
It's
scheduled
for
them
to
get
back
to
us
in
October
buildings,
continued
we're
also
looking
at
the
up
prize,
which
is
another
opportunity
under
the
IRA.
This
is
not
a
huge
financial
boom
type
of
Grant,
but
what
it
is
is
a
very
high-profile
one
that
we're
convinced
that
if
we
had
this,
we
could
leverage
it
with
other
Federal
Grant
opport
opportunities.
There's
the
homeowner
managing
Energy
savings,
the
home
incentives
for
whole
home
Energy
savings,
upgrades,
there's
also
two
different
aspects
of
rebates
or
another
one
for
rebates.
L
That
is,
the
high
efficiency
electric
home.
So
we're
looking
to
see
there
was
talk
last
year
into
early
this
year
about
a
regional
collaboration
of
governments
from
DC
to
Maryland
to
Northern
Virginia.
That
would
enter
into
a
joint
program
for
point
of
sale,
discounts
for
electrification
appliances
and
systems,
we're
looking
at
the
greenhouse
gas,
not
looking
we're
actually
active
in
the
greenhouse
gas
reduction
fund
grants.
Please
know
that
those
we
are
not
an
eligible
entity
as
a
direct
applicant,
we're
working
the
first
phase
through
the
Cog
as
the
representative.
L
This
comes
in
two
parts.
The
second
phase
is
the
implementation
funds.
The
first
phase
is
a
planning
strategic
planning
fund,
so
we're
looking
to
work
again
with
the
Cog
and
other
jurisdictions
to
really
have
an
umbrella
that,
when
the
implementation
funds,
which
will
be
far
more
significant
when
they
are
available,
that
we
can
access
and
everyone
who
comes
up
under
the
first
phase,
application
with
the
Cog
will
be
eligible
for
the
phase.
Two
implementation
funds.
L
J
Sorry
well
just
just
to
let
you
know
the
two
like
I
don't
know:
50
million
plus
dollar
grants
were
just
announced
in
the
last
couple
of
days,
one
from
the
Department
of
energy
for
vehicle
technology
office
and
one
jointly
between
that
office
and
the
Department
of
Transportation
that
that
jurisdictions
are
eligible,
Prime
applicants
from
and
so
the
there
more
money
has
just
been
released
or
applic
I
should
say
has
been
made
available.
But
apparently
the
timeline
on
at
least
one
of
those
is
quite
short,
I.
J
L
Yeah,
if
you
could
do
you
know
off
the
top
of
your
head,
is
that
for
equipment
or
infrastructure,
or
both
50
million
isn't
a
lot
of
money?
That's
why
I'm.
J
Wondering
no
it
so
so
it
is
it's!
It's
both
there's
a
lot
of
different
Dynamics
to
it.
Some
of
it's
some
of
it's
research
for
new
technologies,
a
lot
of
it
is,
is
pilot
deployments,
yeah
and,
and
some
of
it
is
for
for
planning.
So
there's
just
a
lot
of
different
opportunities
out
there.
L
That
would
be
good
because
we're
also
trying
to
we've
been
Furnishing
information
on
the
federal
grants,
but
for
the
equipment,
as
well
as
the
charging
infrastructure
to
APS
regarding
the
school
bus
fleet,
which
is
all
diesel.
So
thank
you.
If
you
could
send
those
links
that
would
be
super.
We've
got
meetings
every
two
weeks
with
one
of
our
main
Consultants
who's
working
with
us
to
track,
identify,
grant
opportunities
and
then
work
with
us
to
support
the
applications.
L
And
then
there
is
a
separate
pollution
reduction
fund,
Grant
not
to
be
confused
with
the
greenhouse
gas
reduction
fund,
Grant
and
that
those
are
those
are
funding
opportunities
that
are
really
funneled
through
the
state.
So
the
state
really
directs
what
it
wants.
Those
monies
applied
to
I
have
to
say
and
Rich
stop
me.
If
you
disagree,
I,
don't
think
that
there's
a
great
deal
of
opportunity.
That
has
been
self-evident
right
now
at
this
given
point
under
that,
but
we
are
try.
L
Rich,
maybe
we
lost
Rich
resilience
policy.
L
We
are
on
the
pjm
Triple
C,
that's
the
counties
and
Cities
Coalition
that
crosses
over
and
includes
cities
and
counties
in
all
the
states
that
are
members
of
the
pjm
service
territory
and
we're
engaging
through
them
in
direct
talks
with
pjm
on
resiliency
standards
and
programs,
including
Renewables
policies
and
processes,
because,
as
you
know,
there's
been
with
rule
2222
and,
and
you
know,
interconnection
charges
and
then,
of
course,
that
that
kind
of
vacation,
where
they
just
stopped
for
two
years
issuing
new
interconnection
permits.
L
It's
been
a
little
bit
of
a
difficult
Terrain
in
that
area
and
then
for
technological
we're,
we're
also
looking
at
early
in
midterm
budgeting
and
implementation
planning
for,
of
course,
this
hardening
of
critical
government
facilities.
This
is
one
of
the
measures
that
rich
one
of
the
many
measures
that
rich
developed
under
the
EAP,
so
we're
looking
to
also.
We
have
critical
facilities
that,
for
example,
need
to
have
the
energy
panels
rerouted
and
elevated
and
hardened
against
flooding
exposure
renewable
energy.
L
Again,
this
Community
Choice
aggregation
that
assessment
that
we're
looking
forward
to
I
just
got
an
email
from
the
county
attorney.
Today
he
has
a
couple
of
other
questions
on
the
scope
he's
going
to
get
his
notes
to
me
by
the
end
of
the
week.
L
Our
tenative
schedule
is
to
schedule
June
interviews
with
a
short
list
of
really
highly
qualified
firms,
we're
looking
at
on-site,
solar,
vppa
and
other
alternative
financing
approaches
with
third
party
non-utility
developers
to
see,
if
that's
even
a
dog
that
can
hunt
under
the
Regulatory
and
legal
aspect
of
the
Commonwealth
we're
also
working
with
sun,
which
has
been
the
partner,
the
main
partner
program
offering
the
solar
co-op
on
a
three
tri-state
area.
They
have
just
changed
their
program.
L
They
brought
in
a
third
party
which
is
a
a
company
that
originates
out
of
the
UK
I
Chooser
I,
think
the
short
explanation
of
that
is,
instead
of
just
putting
out
information,
are
you
interested
in
solar
and
enrolling
a
number
of
people?
We
typically
enroll
at
the
beginning,
anywhere
from
425
to
450
people
and
to
wind
up
with
108
or
109
installations?
Just
because,
through
the
process
they
find
out
that
their
roof
warranty
is
insufficient,
the
roof
needs
to
be
changed.
L
There's
too
much
coverage
from
the
trees
on
their
neighbor's
property
or
something
so
what
I
Chooser
is
done
in
other
jurisdictions,
both
here
and
abroad,
is
to
really
look
and
start
profiling
areas
that
are
Prime
and
and
sites.
You
know,
and
homes
that
are
prime
for
solar
and
really
targeting
their
marketing
and
Outreach
dollars
towards
towards
those
Property
Owners,
more
vetting
solar
options
for
EV
charging.
There
are
a
couple
there's
kind
of
an
interesting.
There
was
even
believe
it
or
not:
a
portable
EV,
carport
charger.
L
That's
completely
solar
powered
that
was
invented
by
a
young
girl
who
just
graduated
from
new
College
this
past
week
and
she's
she's
patented
the
design.
So
we're
looking
at
just
about
everything
there.
We're
also
talking
to
Dominion
Dominion,
is
doing
some
piloting
of
some
interesting
emerging
technology
that
may
help
us
in
kind
of
critical
areas,
for
example,
areas
neighborhoods
where,
during
the
building
when
they
were
built,
there
was
no
garages
and
no
driveways
projects,
the
lber
Run
onside
solar
roof
with
suntribe.
L
The
reason
that
you
haven't
seen
that,
on
top
of
the
lber
Run
Community
Center,
is
because
Sun
tribe
has
had
some
difficulties,
some
financing
difficulties.
They
came
back
to
us
last
year
with
a
demand
to
change
material
terms
in
the
agreement
by
law.
We're
not
able
to
do
that,
so
we're
trying
to
work
with
the
CAO
and
Sun
tribe
to
hit
some
kind
of
accommodation
between
the
parties
where
we
can
continue
with
the
project.
We
just
don't
know
at
this
particular
Point.
L
That
said,
we
do
have
an
RFP
that
Rich
has
been
working
also
as
part
of
a
team
to
get
through
that
procurement
process.
One
of
the
applicants
and
I'm
not
saying
that
they
will,
you
know,
get
an
award,
but
I
just
want
to
put
out
there
that
one
of
the
applicants
is
a
holy
own
subsidiary
of
dominion,
which
is
also
the
subsidiary
that
sun
tribe
uses
to
finance
and
to
manage
the
construction,
maintenance
and
operations
of
their
installations.
L
So
if
this
does
not
come
through
with
tribe,
there
is
a
possibility
that
we
have,
whether
it's
with
this
Dominion
company
or
another
company
that
responded
to
the
RP
that
we
have
Alternatives
but
right
now
again,
not
a
friendly
environment,
because
the
interconnection
fees,
as
you
probably
heard,
have
been
significantly
raised,
particularly
in
commercial
buildings.
By.
L
Problems
yeah,
but
less
so
than
we
had
a
year
ago.
Right
now,
what
it
is
is
I,
don't
know
whether
it
it
almost
seems
I
can't
tell
you.
This
is
the
case,
but
at
least
the
appearance
or
perception
is
that
across
the
United
States,
all
the
way
from
you
know
here
to
California
there's
been
a
movement
in
state,
legislates
and
Regulatory
Agencies
that
really
move
towards
controlling
renewable
energy.
That
control
rests
with
the
investor
own
utilities
and
for
a
lot
lot
of
obvious
reasons.
L
We
wish
that
were
not
the
case
in
transportation
and
policy.
As
you
all
well
know,
the
artbus
feasibility
study
and
implementation
framework,
the
draft
report
and
framework
recommended
framework
is
estimated
for
the
end
of
June
for
stakeholder
review,
we're
having
an
update
meeting
with
the
with
the
consultant
next
week
to
make
sure
that
those
dates
haven't
changed.
We're
really
anxious
to
get
this
I
do
have
an
announcement
to
make
for
those
of
you
who
may
have
attended.
Also
the
energy
committee
meeting
last
week,
I
made
a
critical
error.
L
I
I
honestly
did
believe
that
the
next
order
of
eight
buses
was
going
to
be
for
EVS
and
in
fact
it's
going
to
be
for
CNG,
but
with
the
intent
to
fuel
them
with
renewable
natural
gas,
so
I'm
just
making
that
correction
publicly
I've
already
communicated
that
to
John
Bloom
who
raised
the
question
at
the
energy
committee
meeting
and
I
also
shared
that
with
duck
to
share
with
members
of
the
energy
committee,
so
I'm
sure
there's
going
to
be
continued
discussion
and
engagement
on
this
particular
study.
L
The
carbon
neutral
Transportation
master
plan
is
on
schedule
to
be
completed
in
November.
We
expect
a
kind
of
full
draft
report
or
or
a
plan
in
late,
September
early
October,
and
that
will
include
a
fiveyear
implementation
strategy.
Exciting
part
about
that
is
we're
really
doing
a
lot
of
work
and
in
fact
there
is
a
meeting
tomorrow
of
the
working
group
that
Joan
and
Doug
are
actually
U
members
of
for
Ev,
sighting
network
and
infrastructure
around
the
county.
L
We're
working
with
Dominion,
as
I
said
on
the
utility
evse
program,
trying
to
see
where
that
actually
can
be
overlapped
in
our
layers.
Our
GIS
layers
for
the
emerging
evsc
Network,
the
equipment
Bureau,
is
also
vetting.
The
electric
vehicle
leasing,
option,
I.
Think
and
don't
quote
me
on
the
numbers.
L
I
think
what
happened
is
that
after
they
released
the
federal
funding
program
under
the
IRA,
they
realized
that
they
had
written
it
with
requirements
that
essentially
only
allowed
for
I,
think
14
out
of
96
different
vehicle
types
to
qualify
for
the
to
qualify
for
the
incentives
and
the
rebates.
So
now
what
they're
doing
is
they're
getting
around
that
by
extending
it
more
broadly,
if
you
lease
so
we're
looking
at
leasing
options
projects,
we
have
two
government
sites
that
are
being
developed
for
public
charging.
L
Public
Access
public
use
charging
those
first
two
sites
are
the
Boseman
surface
law
lot,
as
well
as
the
Central
Library
surface
lot,
and
we've
identified
seven
other
publicly
accessible
government
sites
we're
also
working
with
the
Cog,
because
the
Cog
is
going
to
is
going
to
try
it's
just
trying
to
meet
the
requirements
of
the
CFI,
the
charging
and
fueling
infrastructure
fund
under
the
IRA.
So
we're
want
to
for
jurisdictions
that
are
working
with
them,
hopefully,
to
support
that.
L
A
L
L
F
Sure
sure
no
well
I
just
quick
question
on
the
on
the
public
charging.
What
is
there
a
a
vendor
that
you're
working
with
and
any
kind
of,
U
reimbursement
structure
from
the
public
or
or
is
this
completely
free
for
for
for
members
of
the
public
that
that
use
it
on
Arlington
site.
L
We're
working
with
thirdparty
vendors
than
we're
working
with
Dominion
and
right
now.
What
we're
trying
to
do
is
that,
ideally,
we
would
want
to
enter
into
Arrangements
where
the
we
obviously
have
to
pay
for
things
like
BOS,
there's,
no
electric
current
that
runs
into
that
surface
lot,
so
we're
having
to
pay
to
make
it
basically
e
r.
So
that's
those
are
the
costs
that
you
see
you
know
partially,
they
account
for
the
cost.
You
see
reflected
in
the
payo
and
the
CIP
budgets
for
the
county,
so
we
are
working
with
them.
L
We
would
like
for
them
to
install
own
and
maintain,
because,
right
now
the
county
has
put
out
at
least
to
of
request
for
information
for
companies.
That
would
do
two
things:
one
maintain
an
operate:
onsite,
solar
and
another
separate
RFI
that
would
put
U
that
would
operate
and
maintain
evse
the
charging
infrastructure
and
they
put
out
two
for
on-site
solar
with
absolutely
no
responses
whatsoever
and
they
put
out
one
for
evsc
with
no
no
responses.
So
this
is
is
a
Workforce
desert.
L
Landscape,
that
is
actually
a
problem
across
the
United
States,
so
we're
also
working
with
Dominion
too,
but
in
the
case
of
each
one.
The
fact
that
we
give
them
a
map
to
tell
them
where
we
would
like
charging
does
not
mean
that
they
have
to
accept
all
of
those.
L
All
of
those
spots
Dominion
in
particular,
is
looking
to,
although
you
know,
charge
point
and
others
they're
looking
to
make
money
off
those
installation,
so
they're
really
looking
for
high
visibility,
High
circulation
with
the
potential
for
high
Revenue
spots
got
it
my
sorry,
my
my
question
too
was
whether
or
not
the
Count's
going
to
completely.
F
The
subsidizing,
the
the
electricity
cost
and
the
charging
costs
for
the
customers
that
plug
in
if
the
county
is
paying
for
that
or
there's
going
to
be
a
charge
to
the
to
the
U
vehicle
owners.
The
drivers
that
plug
in
there.
L
No
we're
not
going
to
subsidize
the
future.
We
have
ongoing
a
pilot.
In
fact,
we
had
an
interim
rate
ordinance
that
we
just
applied
to
infrastructure,
that's
publicly
accessible
for
public
use
that
we
own
and
while
we
were
conducting
that
pilot
I,
think
the
charge
was
14
cents
per
kilowatt
hour
or
13.8
cents
per
per
kilowatt
hour.
So
we
were
essentially
subsidizing.
They
called
it
just
cost
recovery,
but
it
didn't
recover
all
of
our
costs.
J
Demitra
I,
what
would
it
take
for
you
all
to
consider
trying
to
find
someone
to
do
an
off-grid
solar
powered,
the
canopy
solar,
Plus
Storage
powered
charger
in
the
Boseman
lot,
because
that
is
a
lot
of
Sunny
space.
That
I
mean
give
given
the
the
significant
cost
to
make
the
lot
EV.
What
do
you
call
Ev,
ready
it's
and
considering
the
the
exorbitant?
What
did
you
say?
It's
like
38
cents,
a
kilowatt
hour
that
that
that
they're
charging.
J
L
As
I
said
earlier,
we're
vetting
the
solar
right
now,
I
think
what
is
it
called
solar,
Arc
or
charge
Arc
that
was
for
a
single
installation
that
was
had
two
ports
was.
B
J
J
What
do
you
call
it
yeah
like
EV,
ready,
it's
it.
It
seems
like
it's
conceivable
to
to,
especially
if
you
consider
you
know,
life
cycle
costs
and
the
the
cost
benefit
of
of
you
know,
Dominion
being
the
ones
running
th.
Those
things
into
the
future
seems
like
it
might
be
worth
exploring.
So.
E
Doug
yeah
I
just
like
to
follow,
along
with
what
Jonathan
was
saying,
the
what
we've
been
calling
the
Boseman
lot,
which
is
the
the
lot
that
Services,
the
the
courthouse
and
the
jail
and
the
movie
theaters,
and
everything
that
is
such
a
high
profile
with
the
public
that
even
just
a
couple
EV
Chargers
there
I
think,
could
have
a
really
good
impact
on
public
awareness
and
getting
people
thinking
about
the
upcoming
transition
to
electric
vehicles
and
the
importance
of
electricity
rather
than
and
and
how
important
it
is.
E
You
know
with
climate
change,
and
so
I
mean
to
my
mind,
if,
as
a
voter
I
would
say,
it
would
be
worth
it
for
the
for
the
county
to
spend
some
money
on
that,
even
if
it's
not
going
to
be
recovered,
even
as
I
think
Rob
mentioned,
County
should
consider
subsidizing
the
actual
electricity
that
would
come
out
of
there.
I
think
if
Dominion
is
only
looking
at
this
in
terms
of
whether
Dominion
can
make
a
lot
of
money
and
they're
just
want
to
cherry
pick
the
very
best
spots.
E
You
know
that's
fine
for
Dominion,
but
the
count
County
I
think
the
County
government
should,
in
my
view,
have
an
obligation
to
raise
public
awareness
and
public
Consciousness
here
and
if
it
costs
a
few
dollars
out
of
the
$1.6
billion
dollar
County
budget,
I
I.
Think
longterm
that's
going
to
be
money
well
spent.
Thank
you.
L
Thank
you,
Jack
and
those
are
and
I
think
that
everybody,
in
particular
revolving
around
the
carbon
neutral
Transportation
master
plan,
are
going
to
have
the
opport
un
to
send
letters
or
make
statements
public.
You
know
comment
to
the
board.
That
kind
of
subsidy
would
be
a
policy
decision
that
I
cannot,
you
know,
drive
or
anybody
can
make
that's
for
the
board,
but
certainly
I
expect
that
these
options
will
come
up
in
the
course
of
that
Master
Plan
and
the
public
engagement.
L
And
again,
I'm
not
going
to
just
read
them,
but
we
have
a
number
of
federal
grants.
We're
working
with
the
Cog
for
this
evsc
partnership,
we're
developing
our
CFI
proposal
for
May
24
and
we're
working
with
APS,
because
we
would
really
like
to
see
that
Fleet
un
converted.
A
L
Not
to
my
knowledge,
Joe
and
you
know,
I
I've
been
told
that
we
probably
should
prepare
for
the
fact
that
the
same
parties
who
drove
the
application,
sorry
the
same
people
that
drove
the
application
for
the
pilot
of
the
three
school
buses,
which
was
air
and
the
equipment.
Bureau
and
facilities,
are
probably
going
to
be.
The
three
principal
parties
that
are
going
to
have
to
put
together
the
grant
applications.
A
A
L
Yeah
and
my
understanding
and
I
could
be
wrong
and
I'll
double
check
this,
but
I
just
asked
people
anecdotally
just
last
week,
I
believe
I
said:
do
you
understand
that
you
have
sufficient
space
at
the
trades
site
to
get
charging
infrastructure
for
our
equipment,
as
well
as
for
the
entire
APS
Fleet,
and
they
said
no
meaning?
No,
they
don't
have
the
space,
so
we
obviously
have
to
have
a
far
more
fullsome
discussion
about
that
yeah
yeah.
Do
you
phase
it
in?
Do
you?
L
You
know
I'm
going
to
have
to
assume
that
you
know
charging
INF
structure
is
to
me
really
in
its
infancy.
Right
now.
It's
it's
Mercurial,
it's
unreliable,
it's
nent,
so
I
have
to
believe
it's
going
to
be
like
a
photo
voltaics
where
the
efficiency
is
really
going
to
be
focused
on
there's
going
to
be
investment
in
raising
the
efficiency
and
we're
going
to
see
that
technology,
evolving,
I
think
probably
pretty
rapidly
within
five
years.
A
H
H
L
P
H
H
Yeah,
which
is
the
point
we
try
to
make
with
the
buildings
about
put
the
space
in
there
and
just
run
the
cable
right
through
later,
when
you,
when
you
expand
it,
but
I
guess
you
can't
dig
up
the
parking
lot
now.
So
the
and
the
one
thing
I
I
just
want
to
say
about
about
charging
stations.
I,
don't
think
the
technology
there's
a
lot
of
innovative
things,
you're
doing
with
technology
like
autonomous
charging
that
will
roll
to
your
car
as
opposed
to
you
plug
it
up.
H
So
there's
a
lot
of
innovations
that
may
come
or
may
not
come,
but
the
basic
technology
is
is
already
there,
the
problem
with
the
technology
and
why
you
don't
have
any
real
good
solution.
You
don't
have
Perfect
Solutions
is
nobody's,
got
a
business
model
for
how
to
make
money
off
of
charging
stations
yet
and.
H
L
And
and
Kevin
you
know
this
better
than
I.
Do
I
mean
really
it's
just
you
know
it's!
It's
frustrating
because
I
I
Look
to
Dominion,
because
really
the
charging
infrastructure
is
just
an
extension
of
their
grid
yep
and
it
and
it's
the
grid
that
they'll
continue
to
make
Revenue
off
of
Y,
so
I
I
kind
of
you
know.
God
knows
none
of
us
have
the
power
but
I'm
just
like
okay.
So
what
have
you
done
for
us
lately?
L
I
understand
that
they
are
putting
Pilots
out
there,
for
you
know,
for
example,
a
meter
that
a
a
charging
infrastructure
that
comes
with
its
own
meter,
because
for
these
neighborhoods
that,
for
example,
don't
have
driveways
or
garages.
You
can't
even
hook
them
up
at
the
end
of
the
block
to
a
a
street
light,
because
the
street
light
doesn't
have
its
own
meter,
so
they're
doing
a
demonstration
of
that
and
there
a
pilot
that
they
told
me
would
be
completed
by
December
of
this
year.
H
The
curbside
charging
for
people
who
don't
have
driveways
the
city
of
Harrisonburg
actually
has
a
very
nice
pilot
program.
They
were
developing
which
Don,
Bloom
and
others
could
probably
brief
you
on,
because
Sierra
Club
help
them
set
it
up,
but
it's
actually
authorize
people
to
you
get
County
or,
in
their
case
the
city,
to
authorize
installation
on
the
county
right
away.
Yeah
of
the
privately
owned
charging
station.
L
That's
going
to
be
that's
going
to
be
an
option
under
the
carbon
neutral,
Transportation
master
plan
for
additional
EV.
You
know
SE
sighting
opportunities,
particularly
for
what
we
call
the
need
for
customized
Solutions
in
those
hard-to-reach
areas.
I'm
looking
at
the
uptake
of
that
in
I.
Think
Baltimore
and
Montgomery
County
also
have
that
in
place
and
I.
C
H
L
H
L
Yeah
and
they're
also
starting
to
do
early
early
pilots
on
remote
charging.
So
we
we
shall
see
I
and
that's.
Why
I
think
that
there's
going
to
be
significant
advances,
certainly
in
five
to
10
years,
it's
going
to
be
pretty
wild,
but
but
we're
not
quite
there
yet,
and
the
conventional
methods
have
their
limitations
and
they
need.
L
Yeah,
absolutely
so
very
quickly
and
again,
you'll
get
this.
So
this
is
the
government
we're
doing.
The
greenhouse
gas
analytics
assignment
has
been
completed,
looks
at
100%
of
our
greenhouse
gas
inventory
and
breaks
that
down
by
sectors
and
Subs
sectors.
Here
are
projects
that
we're
currently
working
on
right
now
and
the
solar,
the
the
fire
station
8.
L
We
don't
have
to
depend
on
PPA,
because
the
county
is
is
installing
that
as
part
of
their
CIP
that
solar
roof
and
then,
of
course,
the
behavioral
change
our
next
big
event,
the
resiliency
Summit
and
Communications
were
really
going
to
part
of
the
carbon
neutral
master
plan
is
going
to
put
out
a
survey
and
a
poll
for
people
who
own
electric
vehicles
or
people
that
are
seriously
considering
purchase
of
electric
vehicles
just
to
help
that
inform
some
of
our
policies
or
give
us
information
behind
the
policy
proposals.
L
Annual
report
will
be
released
on
January
and
February.
That's
obviously
going
to
be
County
Wide
course.
Off
departments
and
it'll
take
basically
the
the
same
format
or
you
know,
kind
of
visual
approach
as
accelerate
and
that
kind
of
template
programs
we're
redeveloping
the
Green
Home
Choice
program.
L
What
we're
trying
to
do
is
not
say
that
the
program
is
bad,
we're
just
trying
to
build
a
program
that
has
greater
output
and
outcomes,
not
just
output,
and
also
we're
we're
furiously
working
on
the
federal
grants
and
we're
now
trying
to
decide
what
to
do
with
our
application
of
eecbg
funds,
because
they
were
calculated
on
a
different
formula,
a
less
generous
formula
than
was
under
the
case
under
Obama.
So
the
county
is
getting
263
or
267,000
in
change
and
that's
not
enough
to
to
run
an
entire
program.
A
L
A
L
C
A
Okay,
all
right
we'll
start
with
Crystal
Towers,
which
is
act.
This
is
an
infill
development
in
Crystal
n
in
Crystal,
City,
there's
a
cou
that
there
take
actually
taking
away
some
parking
spaces
and
taking
away
some
parking
area
and
putting
in
this
residential
unit.
So
we
have
gone
ahead
again.
Just
kind
of
this
is
pretty
much
kind
of
standard
letter
that
we've
been
working
on
overall
score.
A
61%,
just
I
can't
see
anybody
if
they've
got
their
hands
up
so
just
jump
in
if
you've
got
any
questions
or
suggested.
O
A
A
A
A
They
do
have
a
nice
green
roof,
we'll
do
a
solar
array
interested
they're,
actually
putting
the
solar
array
not
on
this
building,
but
on
one
of
the
other.
The
buildings
which
actually
has
a
good
bit
of
rooftop
and
I
think
it's
a
it's
larger
than
what's
minimum
required.
But
there's
potential
for
I
think
additional.
H
A
I
I
any
any
opposed.
Okay
Carrie
you
want
to
take
on
the
Wells
Fargo
I'll,
bring
it
up.
A
Talk
us
through
it
are
you,
can
you
see
any
of.
Q
These
yes
I
I
can
see
them
I
confess,
since
we've
been
a
car
all
day,
I'm,
not
quite
as
refreshed
on
this
as
I
should
be
I
know.
Some
people
have
looked
at
it
same
general
format.
Q
This
one
is
a
little
bit
more
complex
and
one
one
of
the
questions
that
I've
struggled
with
and
I
I
I
want
to
raise
this
as
a
a
a
general
top
of
discussion
is
that
if
a
an
applicant
like
in
this
case
takes
on
a
higher
level,
Green
Building
incentive,
far
level,
but
they
don't
quite
if
they're
not
proposing,
quite
as,
for
example,
with
the
H
with
the
the
electric
systems,
they
have
electric
HVAC
in
the
in
the
offices.
Q
They
have
electric
cooking
and
they
have
a
hybrid
system,
some
gas,
some
electric
proposed
for
the
apartments
you
know
H.
How
do
we
rate
them
on
that?
They
they're
not
quite
proposing
to
meet
what
I
they
are
really
supposed
to
to
give
them
exceeds,
but
fall
short.
Also,
doesn't
sound
right
because
they've
got
many
elements
correct
there
and
I
guess
I'm
curious
about
the
group's
feedback
on
that
topic.
A
Yeah,
my
my
inclination
would
be
pretty
hard
noos
to
say
you
know
if
they
they're
they're,
not
you
know
meeting
it
to
some
completely
that
we
give
them
fall
short
I
mean
we,
we
seem
to
be
I
mean
our
really
key
focus
and
where
we
just
difference
between
meets
and
fall
short
compared
with
the
gbi
is,
is
on
this
electrification,
because
it's
so
critical
of
of
being
meeting
the
carbon
neutrality.
O
Q
So
here's
another
question
in
in
terms
of
a
process
about
how
we
approach,
sprcs
I,
know
we're
trying
to
just
get
through
this
letter
and-
and
we
can
do
that
in
just
a
minute,
but
I
personally
am
not
familiar
enough
with
all
the
variety
of
different
kind
of
heating
systems,
electric
heating
systems,
so
understanding
the
vocabulary
and
some
of
the
Nuance
is
also
a
bit
of
a
challenge
and
I
I.
Wonder
in
a
future.
Q
If
we
have
a
commissioner
or
Commissioners
who
are
very
knowledgeable
about
heating
systems,
whether
they
might
work
with
others
doing
the
full
sprc
reviews
to
to
give
us
feedback
on
what
the
energy
modeling
looks
like
whether
they've
actually
fully
considered
the
electric
models
that
they
should
be
because
it
it
I
feel
personally,
it's
a
little
difficult
for
me
to
judge
I
I
can
grasp
the
fact
that
it
looks
like
they're
talking
about
a
hybrid
model,
but
you
know
I
really,
don't
know
whether
they've
covered
the
landscape,
but
any
questions
or
feedback
on
that
I
see.
Q
Somebody
has
their
hand
raised
who
who's
EG.
K
K
Yeah
I'm
glad
you
raised
that
if
you
don't
live
in
the
building,
decarbonization
Electrify
everything
world,
I
I
think
this
would
be
really
challenging.
K
I
kind
of
live
in
it
somewhat
and
I'm
am
I
super
qualified,
probably
not
so
one
suggestion
going
back
to
our
our
visitor
from
the
last
meeting
is
to
try
and
form
an
alliance
with
the
building
decarbonization
Coalition
BDC
Andor
rewiring,
where
they
can
help
us
either
in
an
advisory
capacity
in
the
scoring
ranking,
really
I
think
provide
the
kind
of
expertise
that
I
mean
most
of
us
frankly
are
lacking.
K
So
that's
just
an
idea:
a
to
potentially
address
the
issue
that
you
just
raised
and
I
I'm.
Looking
at
Cynthia
leen's
comment
on
the
letter
which
resonated
with
me
so
I
don't
know
if
everyone
can
see.
Q
Sc
scroll
and
I
I
think
I,
recall
yeah,
I
I
read
her
her
a
comment
earlier
and
now:
I've
forgotten,
okay,.
K
I
wanted
to
draw
just
draw
attention
to
that
because
it's
this
is
not
word
smithing.
This
I
think
gets
to
the
real
essence
of
how
we
Rank
and
what
we
say
meet
or
don't
meet
with
an
applicant
which
you
know
I
I'm
I
haven't
been
around
as
long
as
some
of
the
Commissioners
here,
but
they
seem
to
have
tried
hard.
Q
Correct:
that's
why
I
felt
reluctant
to
say
they
fell
short
because
they've
they
'
reached
for
a
higher
level
than
anybody
else
has,
and
maybe
it's
an
interim
situation
with
their
modeling,
and
you
know
right
for
us
to
flag
it.
Q
See
well,
okay,
the
full
re
vision
of
the
gbi
policy,
certainly
Demetra
and
Company
are-
are,
are
thinking
about
that
and
they're
thinking
outside
the
box
on
that
and
she's
already
spoken
to
us
somewhat
about
that
yeah.
Q
But
Eric
I
do
like
the
idea
about
reaching
out
for
help,
even
if
it's
a
onetime
mini
seminar,
if
there,
if
one
of
those
orations
are
willing
to
do
that
with
the
group
of
us
who
work
on
sprc
ranking
looking
particularly
at
the
at
the
haax
and
also
you
know,
also
I
struggle
with
the
the
solar,
paneling
and
figuring
out
what
percentage
of
load
you
know
that
possibly
could
represent.
I
I
really
have
trouble
figuring
that
out
out.
I
Q
A
See
these
hybrid
systems,
especially
with
the
doas,
where
they're
using
a
combination,
heat
pump
but
with
an
auxiliary
heat
and
gas
and
and
actually
when
we
go,
we
get
to
the
Boston
holiday
in
they're,
actually
looking
at
using
a
electric
auxiliary
rather
than
a
gas.
But
you
know:
I
just
think
are
other
system
systems
where
they
can
be
much
more
efficient
and
they
don't
necessarily
need
the
auxiliary.
But
you
have
that
option
of
having
a
elect
that
the
electric
is
only
when
it
gets
really
cold.
But
what
do
they
mean
by
really
cold?
A
Q
Right
another,
what
I
could
is
make
a
recommendation
that
consider
having
a
electric
backup
as
opposed
to
a
gas
backup.
A
Q
I
I
had
a
comment:
yeah
I
had
I
just
wanted
to
reinforce
what
you
were
saying:
Carrie,
because
I
think
I
know.
I
would
I'm
learning
some
stuff
from
Joan.
N
I
And
I
wish
I
all
stuff
she
knew,
but
I,
don't
and
I
would
like
be
able
to
upgrade
my
understanding
of
some
of
this
stuff
and,
however,
we
get
there
if
we
can
partner
with
somebody
outside,
that's
great,
that
may
be
more
complicated,
I,
don't
know,
but
at
least
find
some
way
of
tapping
the
expertise
of
folks
that
are
on
the
commission
on
the
energy
committee,
whatever
to
get
us.
So
we're
all
just
a
little
smarter
about
this.
Q
Stuff
Cindy's
not
on
tonight
right
because
she
has
a
conflict.
I
know
she
had
a
relationship
ship
with
the
was
it
t?
What
was
his
name,
who
spoke
to
usff
I
mean
I,
think
reaching
out
to
him
to
see
whether
he'd
be
interested
willing
to
have
a
little
session
with
us
might
be,
might
be
good
I
don't
know,
does.
Does
that
violate
the
U
meeting
outside
of
our
regular
meetings.
Q
B
K
Q
Us
maybe
we
could
bring
it
into
this
meeting
and
have
either
be
an
early
or
final
session
for
those
who
want
to
participate.
P
A
B
Q
Know
it
that
that
expression
has
been
used
elsewhere
anyway,
kind.
Q
You
know
quite
honestly,
I
I,
okay,
we
should
go
up
to
the
beginning
of
the
letter.
I
think,
because
also
I
think
it
was
Michaela
who
was
suggesting
that
I
put
some
of
the
recommendations
about
where
it
falls
short
up
at
the
beginning,
rather
than
keep
in
parenthesis,
where
I
note
that
there's
a
hybrid
system
and
I
think
that
you
know
I
think
that
probably
makes
somewhat
somewhat
some
sense.
Q
Even
though,
perhaps
it's
repetitive
later
on,
let's
see
okay,
we
give
them
credit,
for
you
know
doing
a
higher
level
aspiring
to
a
higher
level,
far
than
others
have
done
so
far
and
I,
just
I
I
often
like
to
write
that
we
appreciate
certain
things:
they're
doing
right,
installing
electric
cooking,
as
well
as
electric
HVAC
in
the
office
I,
could
just
get
rid
parth
and
put
a
comma.
Q
Let's
see,
the
second
paragraph
I
think
is
fine.
Now
I
put
in
and
I
don't
is,
is
Demetra
still
on,
yes,
yeah
I
I
put
in
that
the
clarification
and
I
don't
know
if
it's
something
we
should
use
or
should
not
use,
because
this
is
something
that
some
of
the
board
members
were
concerned
about,
that
there
was
kind
of
confusion
about
whether
we
were
we
C2,
we
measuring
against
the
gbi
or
whether
we
were
coming
up
with
our
own
standards
and
whe.
That
was
the
you
know.
Fair
and
right
is
it?
Q
Is
it
good
to
have
this
disclaimer
or
is?
Does
it
introduce
confusion.
L
What's
in
the
you've,
been
using
the
the
kind
of
checklist
for
so
long
that
I
think
I
mean
I.
My
understanding
is
that
everybody
in
cphd
and
osam
is
aware
that
it's
that
it's
taking
the
gbi
and
using
those
as
Baseline
so
I,
don't
know
whether
the
disclaimer
is
helpful
at
this
point
and
I
almost
feel
like.
If
you
came
up
now
and
said
that
if
you
had
a
disclaimer,
it
almost
might
just
in
terms
of
perception,
undermine
your
efforts
in
that.
B
Q
B
A
Q
J
I
mean
can
I
so
I
mean
we
say
fall
short
as
opposed
to
while
they
haven't,
while
they
have
not
met
100%
of
of
the
the
ideal
product
they
can
be
commended
for
being
for,
for,
for
striving
and
and
getting
pretty
close
and
doing
better
than
any
other
project.
I
mean
I
mean
I
I.
There
could
be
just
a
change
in
in
tone,
as
opposed
to
saying
falling
short.
H
H
Board,
if
I
could
just
suggest
just
flipping
instead
of
saying,
while
higher
than
most
projects
I
would
say.
H
Overall,
we
score
this
project
higher
than
most
projects
we
eval
ated
before
it
still
doesn't
still
falls
short
I
think
there's
nothing
wrong
with
staying
fall,
short
of
the
C
targets
and
and
I
think
we
ought
to
be
relying
upon
the
C
Targets
in
every
letter
and
people
in
the
county,
and
everyone
should
just
understand
that
you
know
it
really
takes
effort,
and
it's
not
just
a
couple
tweaks
to
a
building
in
order
to
to
achieve.
What's
going
to
get.
B
B
Q
I
made
a
little
change
to
the
formatting
and
you
know
I
I
think
perhaps
under
electrification
of
systems,
I
I
put
the
two
together:
I
I'm,
a
I
I
really
get
hung
up
on
structure
when
I
write
and
we
we
talk
about
in
the
introductory
paragraph,
the
four
things
that
buildings
must
do
and
it
seems
to
me
it
would
be
helpful
to
have
each
of
those
four
things.
Things
be
a
separate
category.
Q
Correct
I,
I,
I
put
them
together
and
I
know.
Months
ago
we
decided
maybe
these
needed
separate
categories,
but
if
we
scroll
up
Joan,
if
you
don't
mind
to
our
standard
statement
about
the
four
things,
buildings
need
to
do,
make
it
electric
okay,
make
it
highly
efficient,
make
it
electric
make
the
electric,
renewable
and,
and
then
the
new
one.
We
added
was
minimize
total
carbon
footprint
through
building
materials,
and
you
know
it
seems
to
me
if
you're
going
to
structure
an
argument.
B
H
Yeah
honestly
I'm
perfectly
fine,
with
the
structure
carry
I
was
trying
to
to
in,
in
that
paragraph
I'm
perfectly
from
my
standpoint,
and
if
you
want
to
change
it,
that's
fine,
but
in
the
in
the
text,
I
was
trying
to
be
a
little
more
positive
than
what
kind
of
like
the
last
one.
I
would
say.
We
you
know
you
reflect
here
that
they're
exploring
up
to
50%
I
just
turn
it.
We
appreciate
them
exploring.
Q
Q
I
I
I
agree
with
that
Joan
raised
that
she
caught
caught
the
fact
that
they
were
trying
you
know
beyond
and
I
I
added
it
in
quickly
and
realized
it
sort
of
see
made
the
second
bold
sentence
unnecessary
so
that
they
are
also
exploring,
which
we
think
is
something
very
important
to
do.
Something.
Q
H
A
Q
A
Okay,
energy:
oh
one
thing:
what
just
a
this
you
know,
a
for
formulation
is,
should
we
capitalize
applicant
or
not
I
kind
of
usually
the
other
alternative
is
mention.
What
the
developer's
name
is,
but.
Q
Have
we
sat
I
mean?
Have
we
adequately
addressed
Cindy's
comment,
I'm,
not
quite
sure,
I.
Think
we've
tried
to
be
a
little
more
positive,
yeah.
A
Q
Yeah
I
think
she's
making
an
overall
statement
about
the
gbi
program
which
we
can't
resolve
in
this
letter.
Yeah
I.
I
H
I
Right
well,
I
think
what
we
can
do
with
the
letter
here
is
recognize
that
we've
got
three
essentially
boiler
plate
boiler,
plate
comments,
the
zero
carbon
certification
issue,
the
Energy
Efficiency
above
25%,
and
then
the
EV
charging
at
50%
and
those
are
pretty
much
things
that
are
drawn
from
other
letters,
yeah
the
two
things
that
are
somewhat
different
electrification.
Of
course
we
have
had
the
process
here
was
kind
of
crazy.
I
In
some
ways
the
we
had
an
applicant
who
had
difficulty
providing
supporting
information
at
and
that
led
to
a
lot
of
changes
going
on
in
almost
every
meeting
and
at
one
point
we
almost
had
an
all
El
electric
building,
but
that
has
kind
of
slipped
back.
It
is
all
electric
in
terms
of
HVAC,
but
we
basically
have
a
situation
where,
for
hot
water,
the
larger
multif
family
unit
is
not
using
that
and
then,
in
the
case
of
the
tow
houses,
they
like
gas
stoves
and.
I
Been
the
thing:
that's
really
the
only
thing
that's
kind
of
stepped
away,
and
oddly
enough,
these
are
things
that
have
stepped
away.
Very
recent
recently
I
happen
to
be
looking
at
the
U
docket
to
see
if
there's
any
one
last
piece
of
information,
because
this
this
applicant
tends
to
do
that
and
they
had
submitted
something
on
May
18th.
That
was
a
new
Energy
report.
It
was
a
lot
of
the
stuff
that
had
been
there
before,
but
they
basically
Ste
back
on
some
of
these
things,
so
I
know
Joan.
I
You
did
some
word
smithing
there
on
that
section
to.
I
Score
yeah:
the
score
is
on
the
the
checklist
I
sent
around,
which
is
it's
not
very
good.
I
Well,
it's
on
the
checklist.
Where
is
the.
I
It
hang
on.
I
I
By
the
way
we
will
have
a
little
bit
of
time
to
Tinker
with
this
I
an
hour
before
this
call
started.
I
did
talk
to
some
folks
cphd,
and
this
site
is
going
through
before
the
Transportation
Commission
earliest
in
is
July
and
then
obviously
the
Planning
Commission
after
that,
and
even
that
they
said,
was
dependent
on
whether
the
applicant
actually
provides
some
of
the
information
they
need.
So
this
is
not
on
a
fast
track
yeah,
so
we
can
approve
it.
Then
you
know.
Maybe
we
have
to
Tinker
to
something
right.
A
Yeah,
we
can
kind
of
just
look
through
the
numbers
see
if
they
come
in
yeah
and
actually
one
of
the
interesting
things
in
the
updated
report
they
really
where
they
were
talking
about.
The
Baseline
designed
for
the
larger
building
would
have
the
auxiliary.
A
It
would
be
again
like
the
this
kind
of
hybrid
system,
but
with
the
auxiliary
system
would
be
electric,
they
seem
to
be
in
the
model
being
arguing
that
we
think
gas
is
maybe
a
better
option,
because
the
kind
of
energy
use
in
greenhouse
gas
emissions
in
the
near
term
near
medium
term
are
less,
that's,
obviously,
depending
on
what
their
calculation
is
of
the
composition
of
energy.
In
the.
I
Grid
yeah,
you
know,
there's
one
more
thing
I
wanted
to
highlight
here.
This
is
U
I,
don't
know
if
we've
done
this
before,
but
we
added
a
comment
about
storm
waterer,
this
company,
one
of
the
things
it's
sort
of
partly
in
a
reaction
to
public
reaction,
because
there
were
some
negative
comments.
I
We
got
in
the
very
first
meeting
about
how
they
were
handling
storm
water
and
they
have
have
adopted
a
detention
Vault,
a
green
roof
with
bio
retention
Planters,
and
they
also
are
kind
of
fixing
a
pipe,
a
county
pipe
which
will
return
to
the
county
to
make
it
a
system
less
likely
to
have
some
flooding
in
the
neighborhood.
So
I
think
that
was
positive.
At
the
same
time,
we
asked
them
at
the
one
last
meeting
was
well.
How
much
capacity
does
all
of
this
have?
I
In
other
words,
how
much
water
are
you
actually
capturing
string?
And
how
does
that
relate
to
the
inundation
that
could
occur
in
a
10year
storm,
a
100-year
storm
and
they
said
oh
well.
We
have
that
somewhere.
We
don't.
We
can't
give
that
to
you
today
and
we
never
got
it
so
I
thought
we
should
try
to
highlight
this,
as
we
need
to
make
sure
that
you
articulate
exactly
how
much
of
the
water
you're
actually
capturing
as
it
relates
to,
let's
say
a
10
year
or
100e,
store
and
I.
A
I
A
I
At
the
same
time,
this
is
kind
of
a
a
point
for
us
to
consider,
which
is
the
way
we
have
written
the
exceeds
for
storm
water,
it's
kind
of
a
low
bar
and
it,
for
example,
doesn't
have
a
quantity
factor
in
it
at
all.
It's
simply
that
you
have
certain
things.
You
can
have
a
detention
Vault,
that's
really
small.
So
anyway,.
I
The
lead
lead's,
very
tough
because
of
the
nature
of
the
storm
that
you
have
to
retain
so.
C
P
Yeah
I
got
one
small
comment,
and
that
is
with
regarding
to
the
town,
homes
and
people
tend
to
like
gas.
I
think
that's
kind
of
lame
and
most
people
would
love
a
in
induction
stove.
If
that
were
an.
P
I
think
we
did
put
something
dat
straight
up,
that
they
didn't
turn
in
the
materials
it
was
hard
to
rank
them.
They.
P
A
Given
the
late
hour
right
now,
we've
got
a
queue
of
what
six
or
seven
projects
that
are
ready
to
go
to
Transportation
PC
in
the
board.
So
I
don't
know
how
they're
going
to
manage.
G
Quickly,
this
Stephen
just
saying
that
the
the
center
there's
continuing
meetings
on
the
center
I
will
not
be
attending
seems,
like
all
sustainability
decisions
have
been
made.
G
There
was
a
letter
from
the
civic
association
complaining
about
the
adherence
environmental
standards
and
they
will
be
using
a
gas
boiler
because
they
feel
that
the
you
know
the
it's
necessary
doe
to
the
to
due
to
the
climate,
which
doesn't
really
make
any
sense,
because
that
hasn't
really
been
case
in
other
schools
that
they've
constructed
in
this
area.
So
this
is
kind
of
disappointing,
but
I
thought
I
would
update
everyone
with
that.
G
Yeah,
oh
sorry,
let
me
let
me
try
my
headphones
I'm.
C
Hi
Stephen
I'm.
Sorry,
that's
not
much
better!.
G
L
The
summary
of
the
forestry
of
natural
resources
and
Doug
sent
a
summary
of
the
energy
committee
meeting,
so
I
am
going
to
be
attaching
those
to
the
minutes
for
the.
A
Q
I
do
I
my
you.
Maybe
don't
see
it
a
quick
update
on
the
solid
waste
committee,
yet
for
the
third
month
running
now
we
are
canceling
our
monthly
meeting,
because
the
Consultants
are
still
preparing
the
draft
report,
so
we
probably
will
convene
in
mid
to
late
June
and
we'll
get
a
better
idea
about
where
the
the
Consultants,
what
the
draft
is
looking
like
and
so
I'll
be
bringing
more
comments
back
at
that
point,
that's
we
are
on
that.
That's
it.
A
Comments
all
right:
okay,
I
think
we
can
go
ahead
and
end
for
the
day,
appreciate
your
taking
all
the
time
and
going
over
and
we'll
meet
again
on
June
26th,
and
that
will
be
in
person.
Hybrid
thanks.