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Can
everyone
hear
me
great?
We
have
a
number
of
public
guests
here
tonight
if
you
could
just
I'm
going
to
call
out
names
that
just
tell
me
if
you're
here
from
the
public
and
if
you
are,
can
you
just
introduce
yourself
and
then
you'll
have
up
to
three
minutes
to
make
comment.
I
just
want
to
let
everybody
know
that
we
are
recording
and
transcribing
the
meeting,
so
the
first
name
I
see
is
Dorothea
Antonio.
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Sure
and
hello
everyone
I
am
I,
am
with
the
I,
am
participating
in
the
Arlington
neighborhood
college
and
had
heard
about
this
meeting
I'm
just
interested
in
in
hearing
your
agenda
and
learning
more
about
what
you
do.
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This
is
the
first
time
I'm
doing
this
I'm.
Actually
the
bureau
chief
trying
to
do
something
responsible
tonight.
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Hi,
yes,
my
name
is
Jamie
Hood
I'm,
also
with
the
Arlington
neighborhood
College,
but
I
work
at
Arlington,
Community,
Foundation
and
I
have
a
deep
interest
in
sustainability
in
the
environment.
So
I
thought
I
would
sit
in.
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Great
welcome
and
Judy
Collins,
hello,
I'm,
Judy,
Collins
and
I
am
an
observer
from
the
League
of
Women,
Voters,
Arlington
and
Alexandria
City
just
to
observe.
Thank
you.
Welcome
you
remind
me.
I
need
to
join
the
local
chapter
of
your
organization,
yeah
we'd
love
to
have
you
would
love
to
be
had
here.
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Hello,
it's
Pamela,
Barr
I'm,
also
Arlington,
neighborhood,
College,
very
much
interested
in
the
environment,
so
I
thought
that
I
would
sit.
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Thank
you,
Ruth
Willett,.
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Guest
hi,
yes,
Suzanne,
Swank
I
am
just
here
as
myself.
I'm
an
energy
and
environment,
professional
and
I
heard
that
you
guys
may
be
looking
into
building
a
green
Bank
in
Arlington
in
the
future
and
just
wanted
to
observe
because
I'm
considering
applying
for
one
of
the
vacancies
on
c2e2
so
excited
to
to
learn
more
and
just
hear.
What's
on
your
agenda
tonight,.
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Absolutely
Ted
Tiffany,
building
decarbonization
Coalition
I'm,
our
senior
technical
lead
and
hopefully
be
speaking
this
this
evening
with
building
decarbonization.
So
looking
forward
to
talking
with
you
folks.
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You
thanks
so
much
and
we
officially
now
have
a
quorum,
so
we
can
move
forward
to
the
business
of
the
agenda.
Everybody
and
I'm
going
to
build
the
floor
to
Joan
Joan
may
want
to
go
around
and
do
just
a
introduction
that
counts
that
we
can
introduce
ourselves
to
you
as
well.
Okay,
so
we
haven't
gone
wrong.
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The
bus
that
often
any
Joe
McIntyre
I'm,
chair
of
the
climate
change,
energy
and
environment
Commission.
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Carrie
Thompson,
commissioner,
and
vice
chair.
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We
have
two
in
line
Cindy.
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We
were
a
little
bit
late
or
I
can
speak
with
John,
but
I'm
coming
from
another
meeting.
The
Cindy
Lou
line
commissioner
happy
to
be
here
and
looking
forward
to
introducing
Ted
and
we're
slightly
more
length.
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sure
there
was
nobody
was
going
to
make
mobile
comments?
Okay,
okay,
so
let's
quickly
go
ahead
and
approve
the
minutes
from
the
March
meeting
and.
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so
no
proposed
changes
doing
photo
proof.
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Sorry,
one
quick
I
think
we
had
a
new
guest
Catherine
Roberts
just
join
us
from
the
public
Catherine.
If
you're
here
can
you
introduce
yourself
and
as
a
public
guest,
you
have
up
to
three
minutes
for
comment.
If.
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You
well
thanks.
Everybody
I'm
very,
very
pleased
that
Ted
Tiffany
is
here
tonight
with
us.
Ted
is,
as
you
said,
the
senior
technical
lead
for
the
building,
decarbonization
Coalition
and,
as
you
might
expect,
the
building
decarbonization
Coalition
spends
his
time
trying
to
figure
out
how
to
decarbonize
buildings,
which,
coincidentally,
is
exactly
what
we
spend
our
time
doing.
So
we
got
referred
to
Ted's
organization
in
I.
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So
it
was,
he
was
kind
of
to
speak
with
jbg
Smith.
They
were
kind
enough
to
spend
their
time.
As
you
know,
they
still
went
for
it.
They
approved
at
the
County
Board
this
Saturday
with
still
some
fossil
fuels
in
their
systems,
but
we
run
into
a
lot
of
issues
with
people
saying
it's
just
not
feasible,
or
it's
not
feasible,
as
Demetra
would
point
out.
It's
not
feasible
in
these
particular
circumstances,
and
you
know,
Ted
is
based
in
California
different
rules.
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May
apply
different
opportunities,
but
hearing
hearing
what
is
technically
feasible
hearing
what
you're,
seeing
in
the
landscape
hearing
how
we
can
help
developers
find
their
way,
which
you
did
you
pointed
them
out
to
some
systems,
showed
them
how
there'd
be
synergies
between
their
non-fossil
fuel,
HVAC
and
their
fossil
fuel
if
they
would
change
away
from
their
fossil
fuel
hot
water.
So
with
we're
so
appreciative
that
you've
spent
time
on
this
with
us
and
are
on
this
journey
briefly
on
this
journey
anyway.
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Santa
Rosa
California
and
if
you
guys
have
heard
it,
we've
been
in
the
national
news.
The
last
five
years
for
battling
fires
on
three
different
sides:
yeah
yeah.
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And
this
year
we've
had
almost
three
months
of
straight
floods.
What.
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And
when
you
go
through
I'm
curious,
if
you
have
time
to
update
us
on
what
happened
with
Berkeley's
building
code,
because
I
I
read
what
was
it
late
last
week
that
the
ninth
circuit
I
think
ever
turned
the
the
mandatory
electrification?
I
just
saw
this
headline
very
quickly,
so
I
wondered
if
you
could
talk
about
that
too,
because
I
found
it
very
difficult
to
believe,
but.
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Yeah,
it's
been
an
interesting
week.
We
can
start
there
if
you
want.
E
We've
been
Fielding
questions
all
week
and
and
really
what
I
have
today
is
just
a
short
presentation.
We
can
take
it
Loosely
about
building
Technologies
and
the
types
of
scale
or
electrification,
but
you
know
we
can
make
it
really
informal
and
talk
about
some
of
these
issues
here
that
have
popped
up
with
the
ninth
circuit
ruling
and
where
we're
going
with
code
and
policy
is
another
application,
because
we've
been
doing
that
really
Nationwide
on
national
scale,
with
iecc
codes
and
ashrae
standards.
But.
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Okay,
so
I'll
invite
you
guys
to
just
stop
me
when
you're
ready.
Can
you
guys
see
the
screen
yeah.
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Okay,
so
this
is
really
going
to
be
centered
around
commercial
buildings.
Really
we
have
a
lot
of
work
in
the
residential
scale
and
that's
anywhere
from
single
family
homes
up
to
high-rise
residential
buildings,
and
you
know
my
background.
I
just
sold
my
engineering
firm
of
15
years,
so
we've
been
designing
anything
from
houses
to
hospitals,
really
complex
buildings.
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So
that's
my
background
and
I
was
actually
volunteering
for
BDC
for
a
long
time,
working
on
code
and
policy,
uplifts
and
educational
uplifts,
and
that
organizational
Arrangement
that
the
BDC
has
is
really
just
to
uplift
building
decarbonization
and
that's
everything
from
the
oems
trying
to
build
technology
to
bring
to
Market
but
design
practice
with
engineers
and
giving
the
owners
language
around
decarbonization
and
then
working
on
the
policy
levers.
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So
BDC
is
really
trying
to
coordinate
the
whole
effort
to
make
sure
that
we're
successful
on
building
electrification
and
we
started
to
really
just
work
on
the
the
whys
of.
Why
we're
doing
this?
We
have
to
get
off
of
our
fossil
fuel
systems
and
on
to
clean
Renewable,
Power,
and
the
business
case
exists
for
that
in
every
part
of
the
country.
Right
now
cost
resiliency.
We
have
all
seen
this
last
season,
how
very
vulnerable
we
all
are
to
natural
gas
pricing
and
the
infrastructure
increases
in
cost.
E
We're
at
that
point
in
time
where
our
aging
infrastructure
is
something
we
need
to
pay
for
and
reinvest
in,
so
we've
got
regulatory
changes
with
the
financial
reportings
and
the
disclosure
coming
up.
We've
got
a
lot
of
Health
inequity
issues
that
we're
facing
as
well.
So
all
these
are
really
driving
the
why
you
know
I'll
quickly,
go
through
these
reasons.
I
think
everybody
in
the
room
really
knows
why
we're
going
down
this
path,
the
climate
resiliency
man
we're
facing
it
in
different
areas.
In
the
midwest
we're
dealing
with
tornadoes.
E
You
know
the
the
gulf
is
facing
with
the
storm
surges
and
hurricanes.
You
know
I'm
on
the
west
coast,
dealing
with
a
lot
of
flood
damage,
but
we're
all
increasingly
aware
of
the
indoor
air
quality
and
the
outdoor
air
quality
issues
that
we're
facing
and
the
in
this
transition.
Where
we've
got
to
get
off
of
our
fossil
fuel
system
and
rebuild
the
electrical
system,
it
is
really
about
jobs.
E
Everything
we
can
do
to
rebuild
our
infrastructure
is
keeping
jobs.
Local
and
I'll.
Give
you
a
quick
picture
of
what
the
cost
resiliency
is.
This
is
the
business
case.
I've
always
got
to
have
the
business
case
for
electrification,
and
this
variability
in
anybody's
business.
Playbook
is
too
much
to
handle
right.
We
all
want
to
have
the
stability
of
electrical
prices.
This
is
the
U.S
electrical
prices
on
average,
very
steady
and
even
in
California,
where
we've
got
a
really
expensive
electrical
climate.
It's
pretty
consistent
in
our
rise.
E
I'm
gonna
go
through
these
more
about
making
a
plan
for
decarbonization
for
existing
buildings.
I
do
a
lot
of
existing
building
and
portfolio
discussions.
One
of
those
is
higher.
Education
and
higher
education
is
really
deep
on
planning
for
decarbonization
doing
the
assessment
for
their
decarbonization
Master
plans
and
I'll
encourage
you
to
look
to
those
higher
ed
thermal
energy
networks
for
for
what
they're
doing
in
decarbonization,
but
really
it's
about
heat
pumps
and
there's
every
scale
of
heat
pump
that
we
can
imagine
on
the
market
right
now
and
more
coming
to
Market.
E
You
know,
Panama
and
I
were
just
at
the
HR
conference,
the
Advanced
Heating
and
Refrigeration
Institute
conference
and
the
amount
of
heat
pumps
on
every
scale.
We'd,
never
could
imagine
two
or
three
years
ago
the
manufacturers
are
responding
with
technology
and
what
was
been
on.
The
market
is
being
reapplied
for
electrification
from
simple
domestic
hot
water
units
in
our
homes.
E
What
we
use
on
schools
and
small
HVAC
buildings
or
small
commercial
buildings
into
multi-family
apartment
heat
pumps,
the
integrated
heat
pumps
are
becoming
more
available
than
I've
ever
seen,
package
rooftop
units
commonly
available
now
and
we're
talking
about
large-scale
heat
pumps
in
air
source,
central
heat
pump
plants
and
water
cooled
systems.
These
are
traditionally
what
we
used
to
use
for.
Building
cooling.
E
They
do
have
and
are
still
applying
these
large
heat
recovery,
Chiller
applications
and
networking
them
with
geothermal
systems.
So
one
of
the
resources
I
like
to
point
to
is
what
nrel's
been
doing:
the
national
renewable
energy
lab
on
thermal
energy
District
planning.
So
these
are
the
conversions
from
this
analogy
of
the
first
G,
the
first
G
system
being
steam
and
high
temperature
water
Loops
into
what
we're
calling
5G
now
those
low
temperature
Loops
that
are
provided
with
heat
pump
applications
and
heat
recovery
applications
both
on
geothermal
but
condenser,
water,
loops
and
renewable
District
plants.
E
So
this
is
a
great
resource,
nrel's,
all
on
top
of
this
and
there's
a
ton
of
examples
of
this.
This
is
just
one
that
we're
looking
at
these
thermal
energy
Network
conversions
from
the
natural
gas
systems
to
network
geothermal
and
condenser
water
Loops.
We
can
do
Skitty,
City
scale
plants
that
really
use
the
same
kind
of
concept
of
Distributing
natural
gas,
but
in
this
sense,
we're
Distributing
geothermal
to
have
access
for
every
building
to
connect
to,
and
that's
more
of
a
municipal
scale
application
and
these
these
plants.
These
are
just
the
examples
that
nrel
had.
E
If
you
go
into
that
Master
planning
report,
these
are
case
studies
that
you
can
look
at
on
different
scales,
and
some
of
these
are
neighborhood
scales.
Some
of
these
are
higher
education,
scale
campuses,
but
this
can
be
done
on
the
city
scale,
and
so
they
have
some
detailed
applications.
So
this
is
in
St,
Paul
Minnesota.
It's
a
geothermal
application
for
415
000
square
feet
of
development
over
122
Acres.
These
are
large-scale
electrified
projects.
E
New
York's
undergoing
a
bunch
of
these
thermal
energy,
Network
Pilots
right
now,
testing
these
non-fossil
fuel
plants.
So
these
are
the
private
thermal
networks
and
the
utilities
are
now
in
negotiations
to
implement
their
own
commercial
and
thermal
scale
Networks.
E
So
a
lot
of
is
happening
in
your
your
neighborhood.
Over
there
commercial
kitchens,
we
can
absolutely
commercial
Electrify
commercial
kitchens
across
the
board.
The
technology
is
there,
it's
consumer
awareness
and
that's
a
lot
of
what
BDC
is
doing
is
embracing.
These
celebrity
chefs,
like
Martin
Yan
of
Yen,
can
cook
cooking
on
induction
walks
and
in
San
Francisco.
Our
Asian
Community
is
really
intrigued
on
on
induction
walks
and
the
power
and
safety
of
that.
E
So
we
definitely
have
that
ability
to
Electrify
commercial
kitchens-
and
you
know,
places
like
Microsoft
are
already
converting
their
entire
campuses
over
to
all
electric
and
without
him
really
impacting
their
their
menu
offerings
same
great
food,
and
so
we
have
resources
for
this
and
in
the
building
decarbonization
practice
guide.
We
give
guidance
on
Commercial
kitchens
multi-family
construction,
which
is
unique,
multi-family,
hotel,
motel,
large
building,
campus
scales,
residential
guidance.
E
We
have
a
host
of
our
our
colleagues
and
I
used
to
one
of
my
engineering
practice
called
them.
Competitors.
E
I
haven't
really
seen
any
of
my
would-be
competitors
back
in
the
day,
not
collaborating
on
decarbonization
policy
and
educational
development
right
now.
It's
been
really
heartening
to
see
folks
like
ehtd,
our
folks
in
the
ecotope
share
their
build
big
building,
expertise
and
walking
us
through
the
engineering
challenges
they
faced
and
the
solutions
they
delivered.
E
It's
a
huge
message
to
have
these
large-scale
buildings
show
how
they
went
all
electric
and
how
they
did
it
cost
effectively
and
the
challenges
they
did,
that
knowledge
sharing
is
going
to
be
key
to
the
success
for
this
Mr
Rumsey
from
point.
Energy
has
just
been
sharing
his
technical
expertise
on
the
west
coast
and
throughout
so
there's
a
lot
of
our
our
collaborators
that
are
are
have
these
resources
for
you,
but
education
is
a
key
and
I
just
wanted
to
highlight
a
couple
of
the
things
that
BDC
does
plug-in
water
heaters.
E
We've
helped
develop
this
with
one
of
the
manufacturers
So
This
Is
Us,
with
Kevin
Clark
from
bream
when
they
brought
their
product
to
Market.
We
gave
them
a
platform
to
share
how
they
got
that
thing
to
Market
and
how
it
applies
in
the
marketplace
tomorrow.
E
If
you
guys
want
to
register
for
it,
we
have
a
national
policy
call
about
Maine
and
how
they
became
the
electrification
leader.
Great
thing
to
do
so:
we
have
our
blog
posts.
We
have
our
regular
events,
we
have
our
policy
calls
and
we
do.
We
have
those
on
different
scales.
We
have
them
from
private
cities
that
just
want
to
talk
about.
E
You
know
Regional
strategy
or
state
level
what's
happening
and
you
know
iecc
coming
up,
you
know:
how
are
we
going
to
apply
those
appendices
that
are
invoked,
but
we'll
also
do
those
as
open-ended
calls?
So,
but
that's
really
our
role
at
the
BDC
streamlining
codes
and
standards
advocating
for
the
tax
incentives
so
we're
doing
a
lot
of.
E
We
have
a
white
paper
out
really
the
the
best
strategies
for
implementing
that
Ira
money
for
States
and
policy
developers,
some
guidance
there
and
then
just
really
just
coordinating
all
this
and
making
sure
that
all
the
stakeholders
are
at
the
table,
really
highlighting
their
issues
and
coming
to
some
really
strong
agreements
and
and
that's
what
we
really
enjoy
for
facilitating
so
and
I'll
leave
it.
There
I
have
my
contact,
but
you
know
we
can
take
this
discussion.
E
However,
you
want,
we
can
talk
about
the
Berkeley
ruling
and
what
that
means
or
questions
about
Technologies
I
will
let
you
guys
pick
your
path.
It's
a
Choose,
Your
Own
Adventure.
D
I'm
gonna
go
ahead
again.
My
name
is
Gary.
I'm
wondering
has
BDC
worked
much
in
Virginia,
including
with
some
of
the
challenges
know.
D
Challenges
with
Dylan
real
estate,
we
see
a
number
of
the.
L
D
Commercial
buildings
to
all
commercial
buildings
coming
in
sometimes
with
hybrid
heat
pumps,
with
some
gas
for
backup
generators,
I
I
feel
that
potentially
it's
still
that
older
mindset
that
it
might
be
necessary
for
Winters.
D
M
A
E
Yeah
I
think
you
know,
part
of
the
conversation
Cindy
and
I
had
was
just
getting
educational
resources
into
the
hands
of
those
designers
that
may
have
not
encountered
it
before
and
really
get
them
to
LeapFrog.
That
learning
curve
we're
seeing
that
over
and
over
again
that
that
answer
about
domestic
hot
water,
not
being
able
to
do
it
in
a
high
rise,
so
we've
got
a
couple
of
our
partners,
are
working
on
a
presentation
right
there
to
really
go
through.
E
Ecotope
is
one
of
those
Partners
their
Lessons
Learned
on
doing
that
in
a
couple
of
their
high
rises
and
the
Technologies
they've
applied.
So
those
resources
are
out
there
that
educational
sharing.
We
need
to
find
a
way
to
better,
facilitate
that
and
and
through
the
design
Community,
but
part
of
that
can
be
enabled
by
you
in
those
discussions
of
like
yeah.
We
do
have
a
couple
of
examples
of
that.
Let's
get
you
in
touch
with
the
designers
that
worked
on
that
and
get
that
knowledge
into
into
the
sphere.
E
That
was
part
of
the
the
effort.
That's
going
on
on
ashrae
right
now,
which
is
the
engineering
Society
they're,
putting
out
those
design
guidance
right
now.
Those
are
in
development,
so
that's
been
missing
component
in
the
market,
but
before
we
have
that
design
guide
in
place,
you
know
we've
got
that
knowledge
share
and
that
ability
to
do
that
thanks.
E
C
E
Yeah
I
mean
my
role
really
right
now
is
working
on
California
policy
and
that's
been
our
our
push
this
last
week.
So
it's
come
in
two
forms
this
week,
specifically
one
getting
all
of
our
our
regional
Partners
together
to
talk
about
the
decision
and
what
the
strategies
are
for
the
Berkeley
decision
and
specifics,
and
that
was
a
closed
Network
group
of
you
know:
City
actors.
E
What's
the
intern
policy
and
things
like
that,
we
also
did
some
public
Outreach
and
public
meetings
about
you
know
the
decision,
what
it
means
for
others
that
may
be
adopting
policy
or
we're
considering
policy
and
the
implications
of
that.
So
we
work
on
our.
We
work
with
our
partners
very
closely
on
what
on
what
their
needs
are.
So
it
could
be.
You
know
a
legal
opinion.
It
could
be.
E
You
know
just
what
we
see
from
other
cities
in
action
and
if
we're,
if
we
have
a
trusted
partner-
and
we
say
we
can-
you
know-
share
what
a
city
is
doing.
We
can
share
that
with
a
number
of
other
cities.
That
may
be
considering
another
policy
like
that.
So
that's
really
how
we
we
work
is.
Is
just
very
closely
and
in
a
trusted
manner.
C
E
So
we
do
have
our
our
Compass.
It's
called
on
our
website
that
has
example,
policies
throughout
the
country,
so
layering
of
either
iecc
language
for
electrification
policy,
and
it
has
those
various
strategies.
Our
our
policy
tracker
has
the
list
of
all
of
the
other
local
jurisdictions
that
have
adopted
some
kind
of
electrification
policy
and
what
their
strategy
and
their
code
language
is
and
and
points
to
those
specific
resources
so
that
you
can
look
at
what
other
cities
are
doing
so
that
you're,
not
Reinventing
the
wheel
or
you
can
ask
that
City
hey.
E
How
did
you
implement
this?
You
know
I,
like
that
specific
language.
Is
that
something
that
you
know
you
guys
feel
comfortable
with?
How
is
how
was
your
local
jurisdiction
responding
that
you
can
ask
those
kind
of
questions
to
the
other
other
jurisdictions
so
that
that's
kind
of
a
good
educational
uplift?
But
you
know
East
jurisdiction
is
different.
A
Up
repeatedly,
in
you
know,
kind
of
reasons
why
developers
can't
you
know
do
all
electric
is
one
is:
is
actually
space
issues
kind
of
they.
They
seem
to
think
that
designing
for
especially
centralized
hot
water
heat
pump.
Hot
water
system
requires
different
and
more
spaces
and
and
similar
I
think
at
least
it
was
with
the
vrf
systems
than
when
you
went
below
a
certain
number
of
floors.
You
had
to
design
essentially
two
separate
systems
that
seem
to
be.
A
You
know
where
are:
are
those
things
changing
now
or
in,
and
how
do
you
actually
get
beyond
that,
because
I
think
I'm
sure
they're,
mostly
coming
through,
was
starting
with
a
standard
plan
that
they
work
with
and
then
they
tailor
it
and
and
it's
it's
based
on
making
the
same
amount
of
space
available
in
the
same
places
for
these
systems?
So
you
know,
how
do
you
get
the
developers
to
start
thinking
differently
about
that,
and
is
it
actually
really
a
as
big
of
an
issue
as
they're
making
claim.
E
It
really
becomes
a
very
technical
discussion
in
these
high-rise
buildings,
because
the
the
separation
of
the
towers
really
occurs
with
any
type
of
mechanical
system,
and
you
have
to
design
around
that
I
think
where
a
lot
of
projects
are
challenged
right
now.
Is
there
some
way
further
in
design
and
they're
pivoting
to
do
electrification
sources,
and
then
that
does
impact
the
space
types
and
Equipment
choices,
but
designing
from
the
first.
E
You
know
schematic
design
for
electrification,
you're
planning
those
spaces
out.
That
makes
the
job
a
whole
lot
easier.
We're
seeing
a
lot
of
projects
that
are
coming
in
late
in
the
day.
50
construction
drawings
are
90
and
then
looking
at
the
electrification
policies
and
saying
well,
it's
impossible
to
comply
and
late
in
the
design
challenges
you
have
to
make
some
very
tough
decisions
and
space
is
one
of
those
big
ones.
E
But
if
you
plan
for
it
in
the
beginning,
it
shouldn't
be
a
challenge
really
in
thoughtful
planning,
and
some
of
that
is
not
understanding
the
Technologies
and
the
balance
between
thermal
storage
for
domestic
hot
water
and
the
actual
heat
pumps
themselves
and
understanding
the
technology.
E
But
it's
a
deep
engineering
discussion
that
you
bring
educational
resources
to
a
deep
educational
and
getting
the
right
people
in
the
room
to
have
that
discussion
about
what's
appropriate
what
technologies
they've
considered,
what
the
issues
they
are
facing
and
brainstorm
about
what
the
solutions
are
and
that's
one
of
the
challenges
we're
seeing
right
now
is
getting
that
deep,
technical
expertise
into
the
designers
hands
in
a
trusted
way
that
allows
them
to
have
that
discussion
without
being
it
confrontational
and
some
jurisdictions
have
hired
what
I
like
to
call
a
peer
review
board
or
a
peer
review
group
that
can
come
in
and
as
a
trusted
resource
for
organizations.
J
N
So,
just
as
a
case
study,
or
example,
Ted
when
you
spoke
to
jbg
Smith
who's,
one
of
the
better
developers
who
has
invested
in
research
and
striving
for
carbon
neutrality
in
their
Nationwide
portfolio
were
those.
Is
that
the
kind
of
conversation
you
were
having
I
mean
I
gathered?
They
were
open.
What
you
know
they.
They
were
sort
of
stumped.
E
Yeah
so
I'll
give
you
one
example
in
in
my
past
life
owning
the
engineering
firm.
We
had
three
different
contracts
with
a
couple
of
different
cities
and
we
were
on
a
team
of
five
different
engineering
firms
that
were
supported
on
an
hourly
not
to
exceed
basis
for
a
particular
project.
Review
and
we'd
go
in
and
do
a
peer
review
early
on.
E
You
know
early
schematic
designs
and
help
them
see
the
technology,
how
it's
applied,
what
the
ordinance
is
expecting,
and
these
were
in
areas
that
already
had
electrification
ordinances
in
hand
and
then
we
helped
them
through
that
first
peer
review
and
then
a
final
peer
review
right
before
permit
submission
to
make
sure
that
they
had
the
right
applications
that
would
likely
get
passed
through
permit
review.
That's
one
strategy.
A
Hey
Ted,
it's
Dimitri
could
I
ask
you
a
brief
question:
set
it
up.
Let
me
try
and
use
this
thing
because
we
don't
have
local
rule.
We
can't
adopt
here
an
electrification
ordinance.
A
So
for
a
little
over
20
years,
Arlington
County
has
had
an
incentive
program
for
bonus
density
in
return
for
exercising
basically
reach
code
design
standards.
So
we've
gone
through
around
eight
iterations
of
that
and
it's
always
been
based
on
lead
and
kind
of
going
up
up
up
up.
We
found
that
Lee,
particularly.
B
A
Energy
space
is
not
really
delivering
as
advertised
so
we're
looking
at
FiOS,
we've
been
working
for
the
past
six
months
on
just
framing
the
kind
of
very
dramatic
update
to
that.
But
we
sat
down,
and
part
of
our
problem
is
just
what
you
mentioned
is
that
by
the
time
we
get
to
site
plan
review,
the
plants
are
far
enough
along
between
30
and
60
percent,
and
nobody's
going
to
go
back
and
spend
the
time
the
money
to
kind
of
start
over
from
zero
number
one
and
number
two
even
for
sophisticated
developers.
A
The
technology
and
the
strategies
are
very
new
to
them.
So
as
part
of
our
framework,
we
built
in
for
six
months
prior
to
the
live
day
of
the
updated,
coordinates
we're
going
to
have
six
months
of
really
Outreach
to
Architects
developers,
Builders
everyone
and
really
do
that
education.
So
if
you
have
information
is
on
your
website
or
do
you
have
other
resources
that
you
can
point
us
to,
because
that
is
going
to
be
intensive
and
we
really
think
that's
going
to
be
possibly
a
game
changer.
The
only
other
question
is
when
you're
talking
about
geothermal.
E
Yeah
and
so
direct
geothermal,
let's
see
geothermal
ground
Source
heat
pump.
Applications
can
come
in
a
couple
of
different
flavors
and
that
resource
underground
can
be
the
sewer
Wastewater.
It
could
be
piping.
That's
adjacent
to
that,
coordinating
that
in
a
city.
What
I'm
seeing
right
now
is
that
opportunity
for
failing
infrastructure
that
you
need
to
replace
anyways
those
coordinating
projects
that
could
be
done
where
you've
got
to
do
new
water
lines,
new
sewer
lines
and
perhaps
failing
gas
lines.
E
That's
a
huge
opportunity
to
pair
those
with
a
Wastewater
geothermal
tide
system,
so
that
a
piping
once
that
trench
is
open.
You
can
do
all
that
work
together.
That
optimizes
costs
those
kind
of
things
that
we're
seeing
but
yeah
if
you're
trying
to
retrofit
a
particular
Building
without
doing
any
of
that
other
work
and
having
that
deep
underground
coordination
issue,
direct
geothermal,
geothermal
heat,
pump,
piping
and
boring
is
going
to
be
really
challenging
there.
So
those
are
the
opportunities
for
air
source,
heat
pumps
and
other
water
source
applications
that
can
be
applied.
O
On
that
please,
okay
yeah
go
ahead,
so
Jonathan
morgenstein,
sorry
I
couldn't
be
there
in
person,
but
I
actually
happen
to
work
at
nrel
and
one
of
the
one
of
the
projects
that
we've
been
working
on,
not
for
nyserda
but
for
the
city
government
of
New
York
is
doing
feasibility
studies
for
district
ground,
Source,
Heating
and
Cooling
and
I.
O
You
know
I
I
I'm,
not
personally
familiar
with
all
the
the
you
know,
the
specific
Pilots
that
you
had
in
your
in
your
in
your
slide,
but
I
I
noticed
there
were
a
number
of
projects
specifically
in
in
the
city
and
obviously
you
don't
get
more
dense
in
the
United
States
than
New
York
City,
so
I
I'm
just
curious.
Is
there
given
Dimitris?
You
know
very
reasonable
question
because
intuitively
right,
if
you're,
if
you're
putting
a
building
over
a
a
metro
line,
then
right.
O
Like
you're,
not
necessarily
going
to
expect
that
you're
going
to
be
able
to
to
use
ground,
Source
heating
or
cooling,
but
would
would
you
be
able
to
talk
to
an
an
example
of
something
like
that
in
New,
York
City,
given
all
those
projects
that
you
listed
but
I,
I,
and
but
also
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong
those
weren't
your
projects
right,
you
weren't
personally,
no,
no!
Those
are.
E
Examples,
yeah
and
and
those
the
the
private
thermal
networks
are,
are
in
development
right
now
and
then
those
public
applications
are
are
still
being
developed
and
they
are
going
to
be
pilot
projects
to
see
which
thermal
energy
networks
are
appropriate
for
which
neighborhood
in
most
cases,
geothermal,
won't
be
the
right
thermal
network,
but
it
could
be.
You
know
the
city
of
Vancouver,
they
have
a
complete
District
thermal
plant.
That's
running
on
biogas
is
a
solution
for
their
thermal
Network
and
that's
coming
off
their
wastewater
treatment,
plant
they're,
doing
heat
recovery
off
their
Wastewater.
E
That's
coming
back
to
the
central
plant
at
that
central
location
and
the
only
thing
they're
changing
is
the
the
source
of
the
energy
at
the
district
plant.
The
piping
is
staying
remaining,
so
that's
a
another
application,
but
really
either
taking
partial
load
off
with
heat
pump
applications
in
those
thermal
networks
and
keeping
those
booster
plants
at
the
temperatures
that
you
need.
E
The
challenge
in
in
a
lot
of
these
cities
is
the
buildings
based
on
their
historic
design
and
the
temperatures
at
which
they're
running
that
could
be
a
different
need
at
a
different
buildings
that
are
right.
Adjacent
on
the
same
parcel
based
on
the
engineering,
so
that
is
going
to
be
the
challenge
for
cities
going
forward.
Is
that
deep
engineering
on
each
building
and
then
connecting
to
the
district
plant?
And
that's
the
that's
what
these
Pilots
are
hoping
to
reveal?
E
O
Isn't
it
also,
maybe
a
a
surprise
benefit
if
two
buildings
need
different
things,
because
then
you
can
draw
heat
from
one
and
throw
it
into
the
other,
and
vice
versa,
and
and
therefore
actually
could
be
a
good
thing
at
two
buildings
next
to
each
other
need
completely
different
resources
at
different
times
right.
E
D
Yeah
quickly,
maybe
then
we
can
Circle
back
and
talk
about
Berkeley,
but
one
of
the
other
impediments
we've
run
into
when
we
bring
up
the
electrification
topic
at
reviews
of
new
commercial
buildings
coming
into
Arlington.
Is
they
look
into
it?
They
look
at
the
the
load.
They
have
a
discussion
with
the
utility
and
the
answer
is:
there's
insufficient
load
to
go
electric
for
all
of
our
systems
and
conversation.
J
D
E
You
know
what
does
an
electrification
impact
look
on
a
fairly
historic
electric
grid
in
that
region,
and
you
know
we're
we're
partnering
with
a
couple
of
our
utilities
on
the
west
coast
to
have
that
facilitated
discussion
getting
Vision
on
the
grid
of
what
is
an
impacted
zone
right.
Where
can't
we
really
Electrify
without
doing
a
huge
infrastructure
upgrades.
E
So
our
particular
utility
right
now
is
overlaying
for
the
first
time
their
natural
gas
Network
and
their
electric
Network
on
the
same
planning
scale
program
that
shows
them
where
they're
going
to
plan
to
do
electrification
or
investments
in
natural
gas
piping
in
the
next
10
years,
and
now
has
the
tool
to
evaluate.
Can
we
not
do
that
underground
piping,
Network
for
the
gas
utility
and
then
put
that
money
into
the
electrical
infrastructure
upgrade?
E
That
is
a
single
utility
that
provides
both?
That
conversation
was
a
little
bit
more
difficult
when
you've
got
one
electric
utility
and
one
gas
utility
they're
completely
different
silos,
and
that
is
a
regional
difference
and
Regulatory
difference
from
every
state
and
region
and
even
some
municipals
that
have
their
own
Power
Systems.
So
it
starts
with
us
a
conversation
and
a
brainstorming,
getting
them
to
the
table
and
saying
look:
this
is
a
barrier
we
need
to
have
Solutions
and
we
need
to
have
everybody
at
the
table.
What
does
that
look
like
for
you?
E
I've
even
had
this
discussion
with
the
the
building
designers
that
started
with
you,
know
electric
resistance
boilers
and
showed
a
huge
load
to
the
utility
that
they
needed,
but
didn't
do
the
thought
exercise
of
okay.
What
if
we
do
heat
pumps
that
cuts
it
in
the
third?
What
if
we
do
air
source
recovery
that'll
get
another
10
down
on
that
load
that
might
not
trigger
that
electrification
upgrade
at
the
panel
or
distribution
level
for
projects,
so
we're
actively
having
that
discussion
of
what
is
that
non-upgrade
alternative
look
like
in
the
design?
E
What's
the
threshold
and
that's
the
utility
that
needs
to
say
that
what's
that
threshold
that
you
need
to
stay
under
to
make
sure
that
electrification
project
comes
in
and
I
will
say,
9
out
of
10
times,
we've
gone
to
the
utility,
we're
talking
about
the
electrification
of
vehicle
charging
stations
that
are
the
bigger
impact
on
the
building,
not
really
the
decarbonization
or
electrification
of
the
building.
F
Yep
well
what?
If
a
common
person
question?
First,
thanks
is
a
great
conversation.
I
I
saw
you
flash
through
your
slides
quickly.
You
had
one
conference
up
there,
just
I'm
sure
you're
aware
that
once
every
three
years,
the
heat
pump,
the
International
Energy
agency,
has
a
heat
pump
conference,
happens
to
be
in
Chicago
next
month
and
maybe
a
good
place
to
extend
our
developers
to
see
the
art
of
the
possible
and
get
it
from
others.
F
As
you
said,
it's
a
great
way
to
to
educate
them
without
feeling
the
pressure,
so
the
order
the
possible
can
be
conveyed
to
them.
With
this
at
this
conference
in
Chicago
next
month,
question
just
towards
the
end.
You
mentioned
that
you're
also
working
on
strategies
to
take.
F
Of
the
IRA
wondering
what
you're
doing
there
specifically
and
for
whom,
given
all
the
tax
credits
and
funded
programs
coming
out
of
the
inflation
reduction,
Act.
E
Yeah,
so
we'll
try
to
get
this
if
I
can
during
our
discussion
here
and
put
it
in
the
chat,
the
IRA
white
paper
we
developed
really
just
gives
Lessons
Learned
on
past
projects
and
how
to
implement
the
IRA
funding
in
a
youthful
strategy.
It
doesn't
really
tell
each
state
what
to
do,
but
it's
kind
of
a
lesson
learned
and
and
best
best
bang
for
your
buck
in
in
directing
that
Ira
funding.
E
So
that's
what
we
traditionally
do
is
provide
really
educated
guidance
for
policy
makers
to
use,
as
in
in
their
development
of
policies
and
strategies
for
may
it
be
a
local
reach
code
or
or
it
be
an
incentive
program.
So
I'll
try
to
get
grab
that
and
put
it
in
the
chat.
But
if
you
search
building
decarbonization
Ira
white
paper
should
come
up.
The
first
thing
on
Google.
F
A
E
So
the
PG
e
specifically
is
in
their
own
pilot
projects
right
now,
and
they
have
a
single
entity
right
now
that
they're
working
with
it's
actually
CSU
Monterey
Bay
they're
electrifying,
an
entire
swath
of
that
campus
as
it
was
scheduled
to
be
upgraded
for
natural
gas
and
it's
a
key
thermal
hydraulic
point
in
their
gas
system
that
they
need
to
Electrify
to
start
backing
off
that
part
of
the
gas
system
and
so
they're,
using
that
as
a
pilot
and
understanding
what
the
costs
are
to
electrifying
all
of
the
student
and
faculty
housing
in
that
section
and
going
through
those
issues
of
obligation
to
serve
the
hydraulic
capacity
and
how
that
happens.
E
In
the
phasing
of
that
you
know
their
electric
engineers
and
line
workers
coming
in
and
the
timing
for
pulling
that
back
off
the
gas
system.
So
that
pilot
is
going
to
reveal
a
lot
for
that
particular
utility,
but
they're
looking
to
expand
those
areas
where
they're
they're
spending
money.
They
plan
to
spend
money,
upgrading
those
gas
lines
where
they
can.
You
know
they
see
the
writing
on
the
wall.
They
don't
want
to
have
to
maintain
that
gas
system.
E
Yeah,
so
the
Berkeley
decision
right
now
is
in
the
Ninth
District,
and
that's
really,
you
know
California
Western
States,
and
that
decision
is
immediately
impacting
that
area.
They
have
not
issued
a
stay
or
any
restrictions
on
Berkeley
right
now,
but
every
indication,
the
the
next
step
in
the
court
process
will
likely
Force
Berkeley
to
take
a
different
strategy
on
their
their
gas
ban.
E
The
ruling
is
pretty
wide
in
its
interpretation
and
there's
going
to
be
some
long
process
of
adjudicating
that
out.
So
right
now,
there's
a
couple
of
things
that
are
unknown
and
there
was
some
wide
interpretation
in
there.
That
needs
to
be
clarified.
So
right
now,
we've
got
a
lot
of
local
jurisdictions
that
are
considering
their
own
legal
capacity
to
carry
on
their
particular
ordinances
and
and
evaluating
their
risk.
E
But
right
now
not
a
lot
of
folks
are
are
rescinding
their
policy
and
if
they
are
they're
putting
their
enforcement
on
pause
awaiting
the
Berkeley
education
to
to
play
out
and
there's
a
lot
up
for
consideration.
So
BDC
is
working
on
a
legal
opinion
based
on
that
ruling
and
what
the
the
paths
are
for
local
jurisdictions
in
the
coming
weeks.
But
that's
going
to
take
some
time
and
the
final
answer
is,
is
only
going
to
come
out
of
the
resolution
of
the
court
case.
N
E
J
Newly
appointed
climate
officer
that.
B
J
G
Awesome,
thank
you.
Yeah
Bill
Edgar
recently
joined
in
the
county
as
the
policy
officer
position
on
the
county
management
office
and
I
just
want
to
thank
you
all
for
inviting
me
here
tonight
to
meet
you
all
I
know
our
time
will
be
spent
closely
over
the
coming
years
with
I,
don't
like
myself,
but
Dimitra,
the
Air
Team
and
many
throughout
the
county.
So
this
is
not
an
individual
process
or
our
individual
effort.
This
is
a
really
Cloud,
long-standing.
G
Work
and
I'm
just
joining
to
record
with
the
county
as
a
whole.
I'm
just
gonna,
do
three
things:
I
think.
If
anything
kind
of
address
three
things
tonight.
M
G
G
Into
where
I'm,
currently,
at
with
regards
to
my
work
and
understanding
the
county,
the
community
at
large
and
understanding
the
needs
and
and
the
priorities
and
then
third
really
open
up,
is
an
opportunity
for
hearing
from
you
all
your
priorities
and
perspectives.
G
G
Just
as
a
quick
way
of
background
introduction.
I
come
to
the
county
after
having
spent
a
little
over
13
years
with
the
city
of
Alexandria,
our
peer
jurisdiction
to
the
southeast
here
in
that
in
that
tenure
with
Alexandria
I,
started
their
climate
action
program
and
built
it
up
over
the
course
of
of
those
13
years,
had
the
opportunity
and
privilege
to
serve
that
community
on
everything,
from
working
on
our
organizational
Energy,
Efficiency
and
carbonization
work
and
building
those
Transportation
Etc
and
then
working
at
the
planning,
rebuilding
policy,
Regulatory
and
broader
adaptation.
G
Questions
facing
the
city
of
Alexandria.
Before
that
I
worked
for
the
city
of
Cleveland
to
work
for
the
mayor.
There
was
one
small
sport
building
their
climate
Action
Program
I
was
part
of
their
office
of
sustainability.
I
spent
a
few
years
doing
that
work
early
in
the
odds
as
municipalities
began
to
their.
B
G
G
Build
understanding
of
this
world
and
going
to
serve
our
public
right
now
in
the
company
you
know
in
the
local
government
and
local
community
capacity.
So
that's
been
my
experience.
My
official
training,
multi-disciplinary
engineer
also
done
a
lot
of
other
things.
You
know
policy
urban
planning,
economics,
geology,
just
a
bunch
of
kind.
F
G
To
build
out
my
understanding
of
the
world,
so
I
can
add
things
from
a
more
systems,
oriented
approach
and
try
to
bring
kind
of
Knowledge
from
other
disciplines
and
domains
to
kind
of
broaden
out
my
understanding
of
out
of
focus
on
problem
solving
and
finding
Solutions,
so
I'm
happy
to
go
into
the
detail,
but
that's
really
just
kind
of
more
formality
than
you
know:
Silly
bring
all
that
to
bear
on
a
day-to-day
basis.
G
So
just
give
you
a
little
context
for
where
I'm
at
I've
been
here
a
handful
of
weeks.
I
think
it's
now
about
five-ish,
don't
really
know
anymore,
but
have
been
really
scouring.
The
organization
meeting
with
our
agency
leads
our
divisional
leads
it's
going
to
kind
of
peel
back
the
onions
so
to
speak,
of
learning
about
the
various
agencies
in
in
Arlington.
G
In
many
ways
you
know
I've
spent
a
long
time
in
local
government,
so
I
understand
the
generalities,
the
fundamentals
of
local
government,
but
each
organization
is
slightly
different,
different
organization,
different
ways
of
approach
and
problem,
solving
collaboration,
decision
making
and
trying
to
understand
those
processes
from
Arlington's
Arlington's
perspective
spent
a
lot
of
time
during
the
budget
process.
As
a
recent
listening
into
agencies
articulate
their
priorities.
L
G
Our
agencies
across
the
board,
for
example
this
week
on
meeting
with
planning
and
Housing
and.
M
G
Des
in
a
few
weeks
to
meet
all
of
the
senior
staff
working
with
air
and
osm
to
better
understand
their
work,
I
think
one
of
the
things
that's
very
clear
is
this:
is
a
new
organization,
new
office,
new
position,
I've
had
both
the
privilege
and
the
challenge
of
creating
something
that
is
of
value.
Add
to
the
county
that
doesn't
duplicate
doesn't
replicate,
doesn't
interfere.
J
F
L
G
And
continue
to
be
and
working
to
understand
how
this
position
in
the
county
manager's
office
can
add
value
and
to
take
additional
resources
to
bear
on
our
broader
Community
climate
action
work.
So
that's
where
I
stand,
and
so
it
was
part
of
all
this
meeting
agency
heads
also
meeting
with
members
of.
G
And
I
had
a
lovely
coffee
and
had
a
talk
about
priorities
with
any
organization
just
hearing
what
are
the
priorities?
Learning
you
know
utilizing
listening
really
well
to
understand.
What
does
this
office
actually
look
like?
What
does
it
do
and
how
does
it
support
prioriticals,
that's
kind
of
where
I'm
at
in
this
process
meeting
with
c2e2
tonight
with
you
all
meeting
with
many
commissions
coming
up
here
in
the
next
couple.
B
I
G
Health
commissions
to
understand
how
climate
has
intersection
with
Peppa,
which
is
all
what
the
county
does
now,
it's
not
to
say
that
that
doesn't
really
occur.
It's
just
understanding
where
there's
intersection
of
amongst
many
commissions,
and
so
that's
where
our
work
is
currently
focused,
and
so
it
will
be
I
think
towards
the
end
of.
G
Time
frame
have
a
little
bit
more
substance.
This
office
shall
look
like
offer
that
to
the
board
members
to
get
their
feedback
and
to
offer
some
feedback
opportunities
for
the
Community
to
say,
hey
yeah.
This
feels
right.
This
feels
like
what
this
office
should
be
doing,
how
I
should
be
focusing
it's
time
and
effort.
So
that's.
B
M
N
G
We're
very
privileged
to
have
your
support
in
the
the
identification
in
need
of
a
support
position.
D
G
Was
just
board
at
this
point
in
time,
I
couldn't
even
tell
you
what
the
job
description
looks
like
it's
like.
H
G
Was
just
I
was
meeting
with
my
supervisor:
Deputy
County
Manager
Michelle
Cowan.
L
G
M
G
Aware
that,
at
the
same
time,
we're
designing
an
office
for
figuring
out
what
exactly
you
know,
a
staff
person
in
that
office,
aside
from
myself,
will
serve
to
help
us
in
accomplishing
our
goals.
So
just
spear
awareness,
it's
on
the
radar,
we're
kind
of
putting
notes
on
the
ground
every
day
like
okay.
This
is
what
the
deposition
will
do,
as
well
as
what
the
office
should
function
like
so
again,
very
much
appreciated
for
the
advocacy
for
that
position.
G
M
B
G
So
that's
really
kind
of
where
I'm
at
right
now
I'm
happy
to
answer
any
questions
and
so
far
as
that
process
is
concerned.
But
then,
beyond
that,
just
open
it
up
to
here
all
maybe
your
various
priorities
or
perspectives
again
as
part
of
listening
and
learning
and
understanding
what
the
needs
are
for
us
to
kind
of
design
throughout
so
to
speak.
That
would
be
very
helpful
to
me
because
I
can
work
through
through
this
process.
C
Bill,
congratulations
on
the
press
and
I
just
started
a
new
job
five
weeks
ago
and
people
ask
me
all
sorts
of
questions
and
I
don't
have
any
I've
got
a
real
softball
for
you,
I
believe
the
the
Mandate
is
to
adopt
a
whole
of
government.
You
know
for
this
position
to
have
all
of
government
View
and
envision
around
climate
change
for
Arlington
County.
What
does
that
look
like.
G
Yeah,
well,
it's
not
so
much
a
softball,
but
also
I'll
Hazard.
A
response
and
I
want
to
be
I,
mean
frankly,
number
one
I,
don't
think
it
stops.
It
whole
County,
I
think
at
the
end
of
the
day,
this
is
the
whole
community.
Right
like
this
is
a
collective
action
problem,
and
so
we
as
a
county
have
a
role
as
a
institution
and
I
would
argue
a
trusted
institution.
F
G
That
is
to
say
also
that
when
we
talk
about
that's
the
County's
work,
we
have
many
really
strong
institutions.
We
are
universities,
we're
a
private
Enterprise,
be
our
community
based
organizations,
our
foundations
Etc.
So
it's
working
across
those
organizations.
We
do
that
and
it's
not
to
say
we
don't
work
with
our
partners.
I
think
it's
taking
that
up
even
further,
so
to
speak
and
and
figuring.
G
Their
resources,
their
efforts,
I
mean
there
are
incentives
that
they
have
as
corporations
or
institutions,
to
invest
climate
action
behalf.
How
do
we?
How
do
we
coordinate
that
we
do
that
for
program,
development,
I,
think,
there's
a
value
and
a
vision
that
needs
to
come
with
that
as
a
community
that
we
can.
We
can
leverage.
So
that's
one,
how
you
do
that
with
the
structure
that
you
I
I
have
to
need.
L
M
G
Offer
a
vision
for
how-
and
that's
just
you
know,
not
one
person,
that's
working
across
the
county,
to
articulate
that
everybody
has
a
relationship
with
various
organizations
in
different
ways
and
understand
how
cphd
or
DHS
or
Police
Department
have
relationships.
Institutions
that
we
can
understand.
G
So
that's
that's
one
thing,
two
again
I
think
I'm
impressed
by
the
level
of
collaboration
amongst
agencies
in
the
county.
When
I
was
when
I
was
going
through
my
interview
process,
it
was.
It
was
articulated
to
me
that
a
value
of
the
county,
duration
amongst
amongst
agencies,
I
I'm
in
just
a
short
amount
of
time,
observe
that
I
think
where
there's
opportunity
is
that
there
is
Need
for
capacity
building
and
what
I
mean
by
that
is
that?
G
F
L
M
G
That
we
bring
the
bear
and
like
spreading
that
idea
throughout
the
organization.
Now
that's
kind
of
at
the
qualitative
level
of
the
quantitative
or
more
attack
level
is
then
how
do
you
build
that
into
decision
making,
right
and
and
we've
seen
very
strong
examples
of
that
through
the
County's
racial
Equity
work
right?
If
you
go
to
and
watch
any
of
the
budget
hearings,
you
will
see
that
every
agency
understands
that
is
the
value
of
this
organization
to
address
systematic
racism.
How
do
we
do
that?
M
L
G
M
H
Hi
I'm
Kevin
Vincent,
sorry
I
came
in
late,
I've
been
a
member
of
ctet
now
since
before
this
is
I.
Think
my
third
year
now
I
I
want
to
listen
more
comment.
Not
you've
decided
several
times
now
are
the
County's
leaders,
leadership
on
climate
change
and,
frankly,
from
the
CTE
that
we
have
pointed
out
a
number
of
times.
We
actually
think
the
county
has
been
failing
in
that
leadership
role
and
has
been
resting
on
its
laurels
in.
H
Present
tools
or
tools
it
could
be
using
in
the
present
to
advance
climate
change
responses
in
in
remedies
better.
We
had
a
lot
of
tools
here
and
that
we
have
the
luxury
of
accounting,
it's
a
very,
very
wealthy,
compared
to
the
rest
of
the
country
and
with
Incredible
public
support
in
this
County
or
the
agenda
of
addressing
climate
change.
So
with
that
luxury
it
actually
makes
sense,
be
a
leader
leader
and
that's
why
it's
particularly
disappointing.
H
Some
of
us
have
been
dealing
with
some
of
the
issues
where
we
think
the
county
has
really
not
taken
this
leadership.
Transportation
electrification
has
been
an
area
I
focus
on
a
lot
the
work
for
an
EV
company,
so
I,
you
know
I
do
this
for
a
living
more
because
it's
what
I
believe
in
and
not
just
to
make
money,
but
it
is
something
that
I
know
a
lot
of
people
in
this
County
believe
in
not
just
those
with
a
of
us
who
invested
interest,
and
then
we
know,
at
least
in
that
area.
H
There's
a
lot
of
things
that
can
so
you,
you
know
you're,
probably
Familiar,
of
some
of
the
issues
you've
already
raised
in
the
past,
but
you'll
be
here,
we'll
be
challenging.
That
could
be
just
the
assumption
that
Orange
County
is
a
leader,
and
it
should
get
credit
for
that
leadership
particularly
pinpoint
two
examples
where
we're
actually
behind
behind
the
law
said.
J
I
wanted
to
know
whether
what
you're
trying
sir
is
about
opportunities.
A
G
G
Think
I
think
certainly
I
have
not
met
with
anybody
from
our
say
private
sector
partners
and
those
who
I
I
can't
speak
to
those
sorts
of
questions
or
conversations.
Yet
that's
one.
You
know
I
think
I,
think
that
there's
so
an
example.
That's
currently
going
on
I
think
it
is
work
with
some
of
our
community-based.
G
Community
kind
of
I
think
there's
a
it
means
you'll
have
to
comment
on
this
because
I'm
not
is
it
familiar
but
work.
M
G
Like
Barcroft
and
others
to
communicate
kind
of
not
only
kind
of
from
an
infrastructure
perspective,
but
also
education,
perspective,
the
merits
of
electrification
of
our
LMI
community
and
our
Board
of
housing
right.
So
that's
just
one
I
know:
that's
what
you've
heard
already,
so
it's
not
already
redundant
there.
It's
just
to
say
those
those
opportunities,
I
think
are
available,
and
may
you
know
actually
on
our
craft
and
there's
programs.
I
believe
that
the
air
team
is
currently
working
on
to
expand
that
and
go
further
to.
L
G
Our
affordable
housing
communities
and
or
just
market
rate.
So
that's,
that's
one:
two,
you
know
we
we
are
working
with.
We
have
six
at
least
six
institutions
of
Higher
Learning
right
number,
one
who
have
both
people
who
students
and
stakeholders
that
live
in
the
community,
but
also
learn
here
right
and
we're
already
starting
work
with
GMU
and
long-standing
work
with
GMU,
but
in
other
ways,
forthcoming
programs.
So.
B
G
That
we
have
to
do
there,
we
have
and
has
gone
in
the
past.
We
have
a
really
strong
Arts
Community.
We
have
a
really
strong,
Library
System.
These
are
all
educational
venues
to
to
to
emphasize
how
climate
action
integrates,
not
just
as
a
principle
of
environmental
advocacy
or
you
know,
environmental
stewardship,
but
also
it's
a
celebration
of
our
celebration
of
Education,
et
cetera.
G
There's,
where
there's
already
been
a
historically
strong
partnership
between
the
county
staff
and
APS
staff,
there's
ways
to
strengthen
that
for
educational
opportunities,
I.
N
G
L
G
Had
conversations
as
I
know,
Dimitri
and
others
have
with
regards
to
emergency
Management's,
planning
and
Outreach
to
our
business
and
in
neighborhood
communities
on
Emergency
Management,
here
again
articulating
where
climate
intersects
with
Emergency
Management
and
all
hazards
planning
both
of
the
individual
neighborhood
and
community-based
levels.
So
these
are
all
just
opportunities,
really
I.
Think
it's
more.
G
G
D
It
keep
jumping
up
to
that
next
level.
I
I
just
want
to
say
that
I
appreciate
your
statement
that
it
goes
beyond
whole
of
government
and
whole
of.
B
D
D
back
in
2015,
the
county
passed
a
zero
waste
resolution
and
finally,
we
are
now
developing
this
new
management
plan
in
infusing
it
with
zero
waste
plans,
so
as
really
kind
of
a
newer
sort
of
thing
we're
really
pushing
out
I
I'm
on
that
committee,
or
during
that
committee
we
are
leading
with
an
emphasis
on
public
education
and
awareness
raising
about
the
need
for
changing
behaviors
around
consumption
and
around
waste
management
and
Recycling,
and
so
I
I.
Think
in
this
area
as
well.
D
We
need
the
whole
Community
to
change
behaviors
or
adopt
better
behaviors
around
multimodal
Transportation
about
energies
in
their
homes.
We
have
a
community
energy
plan
that
has
a
goal
of
being
a
carbon
neutral
Community
by
2050..
So
that
means
all
of
us.
It
means
the
development
Community
I'm,
really
glad.
You
were
here
to
hear
the
electrification
discussion,
because
that's
that
is
something
that's
been
really
important
to
us
here
on
this
commission
and
you
know,
there's
numerous
ways.
L
D
Responsible
for
really
kind
of
pushing
Behavior
change
out
there,
but
I
would
say
given
the
crime
in
the
climate
crisis
that
we're
facing
not
too
far
and
we've
got
a
lot
of
well-meaning
as
Vince
or
I'm,
not
sure
who
said
it.
We.
D
I
think
people
will
pick
up
you
know
so
so
thanks
so
much
and
let
us
know
how
we
can
support
your
work
as.
B
F
G
Mean
there's
just
been
a
strong
partnership
between
County
staff,
c2e2
and
I
mean
not
always.
Does
everybody
agree
on
the
on
the
approach
or
the
outcomes,
but
nonetheless
a
lot
of
strong
collaboration,
you
all
and
your
predecessors
and
many
other
commissions
and
I
hope
we
can
all
you
know,
you
know
continue
that
or
that's.
F
G
Two
is
that
you
know
the
narrative
I
think
the
for
many
reasons:
The
Narrative
around
climate
action,
maybe
isn't
necessarily
required
to
change
from
one
of
there's
a
threat,
but
also
the
opportunity
and
I
think
you
know.
I
I,
there's
been
a
number
of
I.
Think
that's
part
of
part
of
the
collective
action
question
is:
how
do
you
provide
both
opportunity,
as
well
as
optimism
around
the
work?
G
We're
doing
you
know
and
and
I
think
you
know
I
think
that's
part
of
our
our
work
together
is
to
change
that
narrative
such
that
it
brings
more
and
more
people
under
the
umbrella
to
work
together
and
to
understand
the
need
to
partner
as
an
individual
organization,
to
the
sport
that
that's
somewhat
theoretical
and
heady,
but
I
think
you
know,
arguably
that's
where
I
think
we
need
to
click.
M
G
And
literature
and
the
research
on
Communications
around
climate
action,
it
would
suggest
that
that's
the
path
forward
right,
and
so
that's
that's
where
I
hope
we
collectively
can
work
to
change
the
narrative
to
what
a
positive
and
hope
and
and
then.
N
G
Also
say
you
know
we're
working
in
a
very
close
region.
You
know,
I
worked
had
the
opportunity
to
work
across
jurisdiction
lines
when
Alexander
Arlington
the
district
across
the
Commonwealth
across
the
United
States
again.
This
is
also
one
where
we're
not
in
this
alone,
and
we
have
opportunity
to
continue
to
work
together
with
our
partners
across
the
region,
we're
all
in
this
together
and
I
think
we
have
to
continue
to
really
working
hours
back.
I
Know
me
I'm
Doug's,
no
one
boss,
I'm
new
to
c2e2
and
I'm,
the
chair
of
the
energy
committee
and
Bill
in
like
the
first
week
after
he
started,
came
and
talked
to
the
energy
really
made
a
great
impression
on
us.
But
obviously
very
we
gave
you
a
long
two
year,
Falls
yeah
pages
of
pages
in
here
right
about
the
buses
about
the
bus.
So
I'm
not
going
to
follow
up
on
that
at
this
time,
because
if
you
didn't
want
to
pick
up
that
grenade
I
understand
that
so
here's
my
direct
question.
If.
F
G
Oh
yeah
yeah
I've
met
with
Mark
a
few
times.
I
will
say
that
one
priority
coming
out
of
my
conversation
with
Mark
has
been
really.
K
G
Questioner
around
engaging
our
private
sector
partners
and
our
institutions-
that
is
one
very
clear
question
he
posed
to
me,
is
how
can
we
bring
more
of
our
community
organization?
You
know
community-based
organizations
and
partners
into
this
work.
He
was
very
clear
and
articulate
about
partially.
Why
it's?
G
How
do
we
take
a
whole
Community
approach,
and
so
that's
yeah
I
think
that's
that's
one
and.
B
G
M
G
M
G
Yeah
and
I've
had
the
opportunity
to
meet
with
all
the
board
members
as
well,
not
only
particular
priorities
sharing
with
it
all
myself
and
some
of
the
what
I'm
hearing.
So
that
was
a
very
a
great
opportunity
to
learn.
G
Their
needs
as
well
as
kind
of
build
board
members
as
well,
which
which
you
know
will
continue
to
happen
over
time.
G
J
A
You
know
it's
going
to
take
a
while
to
change
those
behaviors.
So
why
shouldn't
we?
You
know
it's
kind
of.
How
do
you
kind
of
get
this
message
across
that
we
have
an
opportunity
now
to
do
something
that
makes
sense
and
we
shouldn't
be
deferring
it
because
we
think
there's
something
that's
going
to
make
even
bigger
gains,
because
we
need
all
of
the
gains
we.
M
A
Get
incrementally
as
much
as
we
can
get
it
and
I
think
we
actually
ran
into
the
same
thing
honestly
with
the
art
bus.
The
maintenance
facility
is.
It
was
like.
Oh,
let's
not
worry
about
the
fact
that
the
putting
all
possible
gas
systems
in
the
building
itself,
as
opposed
to
go
to
all
electrification
because
we're
designing
it
to
handle
an
all-electric
Fleet
and
then,
of
course,
they
went
and
decided.
They
were
going
to
delay
that
all.
A
Five
years
or
so,
but
but
that
that's
it's
kind
of
like
those
two
things
aren't
an
either
or
or
that
this
is
a
good
and
therefore
we
can
excuse
It's,
Not,
So
Perfect.
It's
kind
of
you
know,
don't
let
the
perfect
get
in
the
way
of
the
good
and
in
this
they're
using
that
argument,
where
it
doesn't
make
sense,
because
actually
perfect
is
everything
all
at
once
at
one
time.
G
G
That's
a
very
complex
question
and
I'll
be
fair.
One
I'm
not
prepared
to
answer
what
what
I?
What
I
would
exercise
is
some
privilege
to
take
that
as
a
comment,
yeah
I
have
not
had
the
privilege
or
opportunity
to
meet
with
petition
team
with
Mr
Emanuel
and
any
sort
of
heat
I've
had
some
opportunity
to
me,
but
we
haven't
had
any
depth
of
conversation
on
that
specific
question
or
those
questions.
So
I
would
prefer
not
to
answer
that
because
I
just
don't
have
I,
don't
have
the
knowledge
at
all.
G
In
the
background,
I
know
it's
it's
an
it's
a.
G
To
this
committee,
amongst
many
others
and
I
I,
just
I'm.
B
G
B
J
A
Because
because
you
know
it
does
come
up
fairly
frequently
on
these
things
and
I
always
like
to
think
about
it
is
how
do
we
move
to
an
improv
approach?
It's
always
an,
and
it's
not
a,
but
so
you
know
how
do
we
give
those
conversations
going
in
that
direction
and
your
position
should
be
one
I
would
hope
that
we
help
us
get
to
a
lot
more
of
those
conversations.
J
A
A
project
whether
it's
you
know
Americana
or
the
art
buses,
it's
already
developed
to
a
point
that
oh
well,
no.
A
J
A
You
know
they
have
that
information.
The
newer
technology.
D
K
D
A
D
A
So
and
I'm
someone
who's
informed
enough
to
want.
M
D
C
A
Is
awesome
way
forward
and
eventually,
whether
there's
some
way
of
electrification
and
solar
panels.
F
Sure
so
I
was
just
circled
back
to
build
on
those
comments.
Glad
to
hear
that
you
bet
with
the
the
board,
members,
County
manager
and
just
curious
anything.
You
know,
I,
don't
want
to
give
you
a
tough
question
to
leave
on
so
maybe
throw
it
back
on
the
leadership
instead
of
how.
L
G
G
That
at
the
very
middle
I
could
go
to
an
agency
lead.
One
of
our
department
is
and
say,
hey
what
are
the
top
three
ways
that
your
agency
has
some
relationship
to
our
okay
and,
and
that
could
include
you
know.
Oh
yeah
softballs
are
like
yes,
very
clear
connections.
You
know
DPR
clear
connection,
but
there
are
many
agencies
that
don't
right,
like
a
good
or
economic
development
director
and
him
to
articulate
and
hey.
M
G
G
Not
easy,
but
I
think
that's
one
measure
of
success.
That
I
think
is
important
because
you
know
much
like
our
our
come
back
to
our
work
in
racial
Equity
right
it's
to
take
an
organization,
Samia
bird
who
serves
as
our
chief
race
and
social
actor
or
race
and
Equity
officer.
She
has
done
phenomenal
work
and
bringing
this
organization
or
where
there
was
already
strong
work
in
addressing
Equity
but
kind
of
creating
it
at
an
Enterprise
level
and
such
that
everybody
recognizes
yeah.
M
G
G
J
G
Think
the
feature.
J
J
J
A
Great
this
was
one
of
the
first
actual
nofos
that
was
released
out
of
the
IRA,
their
slowest
coming,
but
they're,
starting
to
pick
a
little
bit.
There
was
an
opportunity
we
saw
for
building
a
really
essential
toolkit.
It's
it's
very.
It's
specifically
geared
towards
disadvantaged
communities,
a
lot
of
those
whether
it's
an
EPA
Grant,
so
whether
you're
using
the
EPA
of
environmental
justice
screen
tool
or
the
use
of
the
CDC
or
the
Virginia
Commonwealth
social
vulnerability
index.
They
really
come
up
with
identifying
the
same
general
areas.
A
And
some
of
the
data
that
our
Public
Health
division
has
gathered
on
the
differences
between
those
neighborhoods
and
indicators,
and
you
know
with
neighborhoods
North
and
North
County
2007,
one
that
just
jumps
out
and
they
so
I'll
just
mention
it
right
here
is
that
there
are
three
census
tracts
in
the
greater
Columbia
Pike
area,
where
the
life
expectancy
into
007
is
11
years
on
average
longer
than
those
three
census
tracts.
A
So
we
wanted
to
focus
the
big
picture
and
the
Enron
on
going,
hopefully
after
HUD
money
to
do
the
actual
upgrades,
but
those
are
buildings
that
are
older,
they're
generally,
the
victim
of
deferred
maintenance,
the
indoor
air
quality
is
bad
exterior.
In
you
know,
air
quality
is
bad
and
Energy.
Efficiency
is
not
been
a
priority
either
in
multi-family
buildings
or
small
commercial.
So
we
did
an
application
under
this.
This
PA
grant
that
would
develop
a
decision,
support
tool
that
would
model
those
buildings.
M
A
M
A
M
A
A
A
Our
partners
are
the
Northern
Virginia,
affordable
housing,
Alliance,
the
Columbia
Pike
organization,
George
Mason
University
employment
center
and
the
Virginia
clinicians
for
climate
action.
That's
been
Physicians,
so
we're
very
excited
about
that
and
we're
hoping
that
we
will
hear
August
or
September
whether
or
not
we're
awarded
it's
up
to
a
million
dollars.
I
think
all
in
all,
ours
came
to
983,
000
and
change,
but
we're
hoping
that
that
toolkit
is
also
going
to
set.
A
A
F
J
C
A
D
A
And
well,
we
had
again
a
lot
of
our
peers
within
the
County
transportation
tipped.
A
A
lot
of
data
Public
Health
gave
us
a
lot
of
data.
Gis
was
there
so
it
was.
It
was
a
big
effort
around
the
clock
for
two
weeks,
but
that's
just
the
first
and
we're
also
developing
between
six
and
eight
other
Grant
proposals,
either
individually
or
in
partnership
with
other
jurisdictions.
A
They're
undergoe
they're
under
EPA,
roughly
it's
electric
vehicle
charging
infrastructure,
electric
vehicle,
actual
the
equipment,
the
buses,
particularly
school
buses
as
well,
because
at
least
they've
done
a
carve
out
for
school
buses.
Exactly
we're.
Looking
at
an
urban
heat
island
initiative
that,
oddly
enough,
is
titled
Safe
Streets,
your.
A
Or
something
like
that,
we're
also
working
with
nrel
right
now
in
a
focused
analysis
of
bar
Croft
those
buildings.
We
do
have
to
be
very
sensitive
in
how
we
share
and
use
that
information
at
this
given
time,
because
bar
Croft
is
very
large
and
they're
not
going
to
be
able
to
do
all
the
buildings
all
at
one
time
and
the
owner,
John
Lynch
doesn't
want
us
going
out
and
basically
say:
oh
we're
going
to
fix
these
buildings
with
look
at
horrible,
because
they're
taking
on
again
these
older
bills
that
are
in
need.
A
So
there's
just
a
lot
going
on
unless
I
forget,
there's
the
CFI,
which
is
Corridor
electric
vehicle
charging
as
well
as
Community
charging.
There's
two
buckets
in
that
and
then
of
course,
there's
the
greenhouse
gas
reduction
fund
and
the
pollution
reduction
fund,
and
we
are
an
active
discussion
with
multiple
jurisdictions.
Definitely
Fairfax,
possibly
loud
Fairfax,
as
you
know,
wanted
to
open
a
green
Bank
two
years
ago,
but
whether
it
was
because
of
the
softness
of
the
commercial
real
estate
and
the
reduced
revenues
or
perhaps
a
host
of
other.
B
F
A
Provide
the
initial
capitalization
of
the
fund,
but
I
can
tell
you
right
now,
having
had
the
experience
with
Community
Choice
aggregation,
Green
Banks,
you
name
it
out
in
California.
A
This
is
not
just
kind
of
putting
money
in
a
bank
and
kind
of
say:
we've
got
a
green
bank
and
you
know
build
it
and
they'll
come.
It
has
a
lot
of
other
components.
It
needs
financing
mechanisms
and
incentives
attached
to
it.
It
needs
administrative
money.
That's
carved
out
because
no
administrator
and
the
green
Bank
industry
is
going
to
Simply
agree
to
take
a
fee
off
each
loan.
A
They
know
that
it's
too
difficult
and
too
slow
to
generate
uptake
and
convert
those
at
those
loans
and
I
am
hoping
we're
talking
and
we're
going
to
be
submitting
comments
up
until
let
me
see
I
think
the
deadline
is
May.
12Th,
we're
probably
going
to
submit
the
comments.
The
first
week
by
the
end
of
the
first
week
in
May
on.
B
M
A
J
C
A
A
Approaches
towards
upgrading
those
buildings
and
making
those
upgrades
work
and
what
you
might
have
thought
would
be
the
first
thing
you
might
consider
doing
that
there
were
other
conditions
that
you
wanted
to.
Think
of.
So
we're
really
happy
and
we're
also
talking
with
nrel
about
this
was
one
of
three
levels
is
the
lower
level
which
is
pretty
astonishing.
That's
in
return
for
a
lot
of
work
that
we
did.
F
A
You
external
I,
set
up
task
orders
with
two
different
Consultants
around
six
months
ago,
maybe
longer
eight
months
ago,
because
I
knew
this
was
going
to
happen.
I
had
era
still
very
fresh
in
my
why,
where
it
was
like
way
way
and
then
hurry
up
yeah
and
the
other
thing
that
you,
this
particular
graph,
was
no
match
required,
but
we're
obviously
going
to
have
matches
that
are
required
in
a
lot
of
the
other
months.
J
J
A
I
can
just
identify
a
few
areas
which
one
do
you
want.
First.
A
The
same
yeah
so
that
it's
a
little
different,
although
it
doesn't
really
change
much
in
terms
of
of
the
way
we
evaluate
it,
because
some
of
the
key
issues
are
still
kind
of
pending
in
terms
of
especially.
D
I
D
A
J
A
J
A
A
The
models
get
really
vague,
but
it
didn't
seem
to
suggest
that
they
could
get
over
25.
It's
always
the
preliminary
model
not
going
to
promise
anything
more
than
the
20
that
we're
required
to
have.
A
Now,
starting
to
at
least
see
some
of
the
energy
models
put
in
options
for
electrification,
so
you
know
kind
of
highlighting
that
it's
like
you
know,
your
own
energy
model
indicates
that
that
you
can
achieve
the
full
education
or
whatever
to
do
it
a
little.
You
know
nicer
than
that
is
that
they
should
really
pursue
that.
J
J
A
B
D
Again,
I'm
just
going
to
put
on
the
table
for
a
discussion
another
evening
that
I
loved
the
idea
raised
about
Apostle
and
obviously
it
depends
on
whether
the
county
thinks
this
is
possible
or
appropriate,
but
having
a
a
contracted
peer
review
group
that
could
work
with
developers
from
the.
B
A
D
A
H
C
A
Can
structure
it
hold
down
yeah.
A
A
In
this
case,
yeah
I
did
yeah
so
and
it's
so
just
just
kind
of.
J
A
M
A
J
A
J
J
N
A
F
J
J
Letter
but
actually,
while
you're
bringing
up
the
other
just
a
couple,
observations
and.
A
O
A
Yeah
right
and
if
it's
a
highly
energy
efficient
building,
it
should
n't
anywhere
it's
built,
so
I
mean
I,
think
but
I
think
the
County
Board
is
still
kind
of
not
even
buying
it
and
the
other
one
is
the
well.
It's
not
worth
electrifying
right
now,
because
the
grid
isn't
all
that
clean
anyway,
so
gas
is
still
cleaner,
but.
A
O
We
literally
are
helping
Native
Alaskan
communities
to
install
heat
pumps
like
I
mean
I
yeah,
there's
just
no
way,
there's
no
way
that
that
it
can't
be
done
here
in
Arlington,
Virginia.
A
The
geothermal
is
keeping
that
you
know
getting
getting
applicants
to
think
about
geothermal
as
being
a
big
boost
for
for
Energy
Efficiency
and
in
a
lot
of
these
I
mean
some
of
the
original
sites
that
looked
at.
That
said,
well
we're
right
over
subway
line.
We
can't
do
it.
A
I
think
yeah
and
again
they
do
it
in
New,
York
City,
so
in
Manhattan,
so,
okay
quickly
the
same
place
over
and
over
again,
because.
L
A
That
well,
they
just
tore
up
my
stream
because
they
replaced
the
gas
lines
year-long
project;
okay,
the
lower
score
on
this
one,
but
basically
the
same
kinds
of
issues.
O
A
A
A
D
A
Powered
yeah
actually
looking
at
the
Boston
Holiday
Inn
they're,
actually
going
with
an
electric
again
you're.
This
is
the
auxiliary
when
the
temperature
goes
to
10
degrees
right.
A
They're
going
with
the
gas,
hot
water
heaters
and.
D
Okay,
yeah:
are
you
sure
this
is
I
feel
like
I
caught
that
up
anyway
yeah?
So
maybe
this
is
a
different.
It
doesn't
have
my
edits.
I
A
J
A
Oh,
they
don't
none
of
the
plans
ever
back
up
yeah,
it's
just
it's
standard
and
everybody's,
going
to
tell
you
that,
there's
no
real
ability
and
we
don't
Focus
too
much
on
the
backup
generators,
because
that's
a
fairly
small
amount
right
now
at
this
point
we'll
you
know
if
we
get
them
to
Electrify
the
rest
of
the
buildings.
We'll
then
start
focusing
on
on
these,
but
just
as.
M
A
A
J
B
A
The
four
to
ten
and
yet
Demetrius
right,
that's
usually
where
they
come
in
on
the
load.
A
You
can
drop
the
zero
okay
again.
This
is
a
fairly
nice
of
biophilia.
I
could
use,
probably
more
canopy
always
can
use
more
canopy
trees.
A
And
you
know
rainwater
management.
H
On
the
on
the
paragraph
which
talked
about
the
pushback
about
electric
capacity
I
mean,
can
we
add
a
statement
making?
The
recommendation
is
to
have
the
building
ready,
so
the
capacity
becomes
available
later
like
you
can
install
a
Transformer
later
to
bring
more
electricity
on
site
then,
but
you
can
run
the
electricity
to
the
building
because
ebready
doesn't
mean
it
needs
to
have
all
that
current
run
into
the
building.
Just
yeah.
A
Maybe
okay,
let's
send
in
when
we
kind
of,
is
to
have
it
on
the
Ed
parkiness
EV
ready
and
then
maybe
just
even
if
the
at
low
capacity
is
not.
A
D
A
That's
what
we're
saying
is
at
least
put
some
conduits
in,
even
if
they
don't
have
the
capacity,
so
50
are
easy
after
Evie
ready
just
put
in
a
phrase
of
even
if
the
capacity
electric
capacity
isn't
position
is
encouragement
available,
yeah
grid
capacity.
A
The
rain
water
gets
really
hard
to
figure
out
whether
they're
just
meeting
requirements
or
not.
They
often
sound
really
good,
but
because
we
actually
had
a
whole
bunch
of
discussions
with
another
project,
the
other
night
and
just
being
a
little
picky
about
the
term
of
art.
Do
you
want
to
call
it
Ringwood
or
storm
water,
storm
water?
No,
but
I,
think
it's
about
that
sense
and
way,
because.
A
F
A
A
Read
it
in
detail
so
but
I
think
it
would
be
nice
if
at
least
a
couple
Commissioners
would
look
at
it
and
then
just
you
know,
if
there's
anything,
that's
worth
us
saying
or
recommending
any
changes
to
again
with
all
these
planning.
Things
feel
free
to
put
things
comments
on
as
an
individual
basis
as
well
and.
J
A
Very
early
May,
so
that
will
be
kind.