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A
A
All
right,
everyone
welcome
welcome
to
our
joint
work
session
of
County
Board
school
board
and
the
joint
facilities
Advisory
Commission,
so
I'm
gonna
turn
it
over
to
my
colleague
on
the
school
board,
the
school
board,
chair,
Nancy,
to
say
a
first
few
words
and
then
I'll
say
a
couple
and
then
we'll
move
through
the
agenda.
Thank.
B
B
We
look
forward
to
discussing
J
facts
next
steps
in
working
with
both
county
and
schools
to
provide
input
into
the
long
range
school
and
county
facilities
plans
to
meet
our
growing
community
needs
further
November,
9th
2016
joint
charge.
Defects
overall
mission
is
to
provide
input
to
the
boards
on
capital
facilities,
needs
assessments,
capital
improvement
plans
and
long-range
facility
planning
for
both
the
Owenton
county
government
at
Arlington
public
schools.
We
thought
it
was
important
to
remind
ourselves
at
this
point
what
our
roles
and
responsibilities
are
so
I'm
just
kind
of
going
through
that
really
quickly.
B
The
work
of
this
group
will
assist
the
schools
us
and
the
county
in
developing
our
respective
capital
facilities,
needs
assessments
using
county
and
schools,
trend
forecasts
and
projection
data.
All
three
jfx
work
is
intended
to
inform
both
the
county
and
the
schools.
Capital
improvement
plans
over
the
course
of
our
two-year
CIP
cycles.
B
Aps
will
begin
its
CIP
cycle
this
year.
J
is
to
have
a
special
emphasis
on
collaborative
projects
that
provide
opportunities
to
maximize
public
benefit
through
County
Schools
joint
partnerships,
particularly
including
options
for
colocation,
joint
or
shared
use,
adaptive,
reuse
and
efficiencies
in
construction
timing,
and
we
believe
more
and
more.
We
will
be
unable
to
do
any
projects
without
that
kind
of
joint
collaborative
work.
B
As
this
also
stated
in
the
charge,
the
school
board
is
very
interested
in
this
special
emphasis
on
long-range
planning
for
future
County
and
ApS
facilities,
based
on
the
analysis
of
latest
trends,
forecasts
and
service
delivery
models.
We're
grateful
for
the
work
JPAC
has
done
also
on
community
engagement.
B
We
need
more
space
to
accommodate
our
tremendous
growth.
Our
schools
are
at
maximum
capacity
and
we
no
longer
have
easy
places
to
expand,
develop
or
build
new
schools.
We
must
work
hand
in
hand
with
the
county
to
meet
our
facilities
needs.
We
understand
this
work
is
complex,
sensitive
and
will
take
great
coordination.
B
We
must
work
collaborative
with
you
with
the
county
in
any
future
project
to
find
locations
for
our
new
schools.
For
this
reason,
we
believe
the
work
of
the
Jae
FAC
is
critical
as
it
brings
together
our
staffs
us
and
our
great
community
advisers
to
help
us
put
in
place
the
long-range
plans
we
need
to
meet
both
our
schools
and
county
facility
needs
together.
B
We
summarized
our
County
Schools
collaborative
work
and
you're
going
to
hear
that
in
a
few
minutes
from
the
manager
and
the
superintendent
and
our
position
on
the
buck,
property
and
VHC,
as
well
as
our
support
for
jfx
next
steps
in
our
june
16th
letter
to
the
county
board,
we
look
forward
to
hearing
the
JFX
detailed
report
and
have
comments
to
share
with
you
as
we
go
through
it.
So
thank
you.
Thank.
A
We
have
a
really
robust
agenda.
We're
gonna
work
through
the
comments
from
the
superintendent
and
the
county
manager.
A
little
background
about
the
collaboration
we've
had
about
the
growth
and
facility
needs,
then
we'll
get
the
report
from
J
FAC
and
then
we'll
be
giving
some
direction
to
staff
on
a
couple
of
items
and
really
paying
attention
to
the
J
FAC
recommendations
and
then
in
giving
staff
to
Jeff
direction
or
some
guidance
to
J
FAC
as
well.
Let
me
just
say
a
couple
things
to
to
lead
into
that.
A
First
presentation
from
pat
and
mark
you
know,
my
experience
is
that
the
schools
and
the
counties
of
County
have
always
worked
well
together
and
we
may
not
always
believe
it,
but
it's
far
more
so
than
almost
anywhere
else
around
we've
just
done
that
innately,
because
it
was
the
right
thing
to
do
and
we
both
could
benefit.
But
there's
been
more
of
an
imperative
in
recent
years
because
of
the
growth
of
the
schools
because
of
the
growth
of
the
county.
The
community
facility
study
was
a
wonderful
way
to
try
to
capture
some
of
that.
A
Give
us
a
solid
grounding
and
some
guidance,
as
Nancy
has
said,
to
go
forward
and
I
thought
it
did
a
great
job
capturing
a
really
important
fact
in
this
county,
and
that
is
that,
with
our
growth,
our
greatest
challenge,
our
greatest
scarcity
is
a
land,
and
that
is
a
part.
A
primary
part
of
what
Jay
FAC
is
all
about.
As
we
go
forward.
We
know
it's
around
co-locating,
it's
around
collaboration,
it's
around
finding
more
efficient
uses
of
those
scarce
resources.
At
the
same
time,
we
have
a
school
board
separately,
elected
a
county
board
separately
elected.
A
We
have
a
different
set
of
responsibilities
in
the
big
picture.
The
schools
have
their
set
of
responsibilities
and
roles.
I,
think
we
have
a
healthy
tension.
I
think
it's
a
good
thing.
It's
a
positive
thing.
It's
inevitable,
be
because
we
have
different
roles
and
responsibilities,
but
so
often
when
we
collaborate
when
we
tackle
these
things
together,
integrate
our
long
term
planning
we're
gonna
find
the
best
the
best
results,
and
that
really
is
usually
the
best
for
everyone
concerned.
So
J
FAC
was
very
carefully
pulled
together
jointly
as
well
sort
of
modeling.
A
This
we
talked
about
the
criteria,
the
types
of
skill
sets
and
representation.
We
were
looking
for
and
you
all
are
very
special
people,
you
J
fact,
members
and
part
of
it
is
we
really
wanted
people
who
had
had
an
ability
to
think
countywide
to
dig
into
issues
and
roll
with
us
and
guide
us
and
give
us
some
really
good
thinking
for
the
decisions
that
that
were
each
gonna
have
to
make
as
we
move
forward
in
meeting
the
community
and
school
facilities
that
this
community
will
want
into
the
future.
So
this
is
our
first
meeting
together.
A
I
know:
I'm
gonna
lit,
leave
it
to
ginger
and
Greg
to
ask
the
J
feck
members
to
stand
up
so
I'll
hold
that
till
later.
But
again
we
welcome
our
colleagues
here
and
we
welcome
all
of
you
to
the
boardroom
and
we
have
about
an
hour
and
50
minutes
to
get
some
good
work
done.
So
with
that,
let
me
turn
to
Pat
and
mark.
If
you
did,
you
guys
want
to
do
your
first
presentation
with
some
of
this
background
information.
Sure.
C
Thank
You
mr.
chairman,
and
welcome
to
our
school
board.
Colleagues
I
think
hope.
If
you
can
get
the
first
slide
presentation
up,
Pat
and
I
are
going
to
do
sort
of
tag-team
on
this
presentation.
This
is
if
we
can
go
to
the
first
slide.
What
we've
done
here
is
we've
tried
to
lay
out
those
needs
that
the
county
has
already
identified
in
its
CIP
that
require
locations
locations
that
have
not
yet
been
identified.
This
is
in
no
ways
meant
to
be
a
full
explanation
of
everything.
C
That's
in
our
CIP,
and
you
can
see
there
a
lot
of
these
issues,
but
not
all
of
them
have
been
dealt
with
by
the
J
FAC
J
FAC
looked
at
material
staging
and
art
bus
parking
and
police
emergency
vehicles.
We
have
a
separate
conversation
on
County
Day
care
that
we're
we're
having
on
our
side
of
the
aisle.
C
If
you
go
to
the
next
slide,
you'll
see
I
think
a
number
of
things
here,
with
the
exception
of
the
fire
stations
on
the
east
and
west
end
of
Columbia
Pike,
all
those
issues
have
been
dealt
with
by
J
FAC
and
you'll,
hear
more
from
them.
On
that
in
the
future
tonight
so,
and
we
go
to
the
next
slide,
this
is
meant
to
be
again.
C
It
says
examples,
those
things
that
we've
identified
currently
in
our
assessment,
where
there
will
need
to
be
somewhere
in
the
county,
a
location
identified
at
some
point
in
the
future
beyond
and
these
are
these
are
items
that
are
beyond
the
ten
year
timeline
for
our
CIP.
So
a
few
examples,
land
acquisition
right
now
we're
going
through
a
fairly
rigorous
process
for
our
public
spaces
master
plan.
It's
referred
to
here
as
pops,
where
they
have
tentatively
identified
the
need
for
at
least
30
acres
of
new
public
space
over
the
next
10
years.
C
We
also
have
a
number
of
sector
plans
and
adopted
plans,
and
here
are
just
some
examples:
the
affordable
housing
master
plan
that
talks
about
locating
12,000
new
units
in
the
county
of
affordable
housing
and
various
elements
of
the
Rosslyn
sector
plan.
The
call
for
locating
in
this
case
something
as
small
as
a
BART
a
bike
bike
facility
in
Rosslyn.
There
are
meant
to
be
examples,
not
exhaustive,
but
to
paint
a
broad
picture
when
we
hear
from
the
superintendent
and
schools
about
other
our
needs,
which
are
very
important
to
the
community
for
locating
schools.
C
D
Thank
You,
Marc
and
I'll
echo
some
of
the
same
sentiments
that
have
been
shared.
Thank
you
very
much
to
Craig
and
ginger,
as
well
as
members
of
J
FAC,
and
we
appreciate
being
here
my
slides
layout,
very
similar,
and
this
is
to
the
extent
our
CIP
here,
with
some
exceptions
with
some
schools
that
were
transitioning
because
of
adding
to
our
school
inventory.
You
can
see
just
really
quickly.
Looking
at
the
timeline
that
2019,
we
are
actually
going
to
be
opening
or
transitioning
a
total
of
five
school
facilities.
D
You
can
also
see
that
this
aligns
with
the
enrollment
projections,
as
our
enrollment
continues
to
grow
through
the
elementary
middle
and
transition
to
the
high.
You
can
see
that
kind
of
plane
itself
out.
We
are
also
utilizing
some
of
the
existing
space
and
you
see
that
actually
at
the
very
top,
where
we're
making
some
interior
modifications
to
existing
space.
As
Mark
pointed
out,
a
lot
of
the
locations
that
we
have
identified
are
existing
school
facilities
or
existing
space
that
we
have.
D
D
So
you
can
see,
as
we
look
out
the
projection
for
two
to
four
elementary
schools
over
the
beyond
the
ten
year
period,
the
need
for
either
one
or
two
middle
schools
and
then
also
the
need
if
we
continue
on
this
pace
for
a
comprehensive
or
a
high
school
of
2,200
students
or
more
so,
this
again
gives
us
a
snapshot.
I
think
with
the
intent
of
this
slide
is
really
to
talk
about.
D
We
need
to
begin
to
think
about
these
facility
needs
and
how
we
plan
for
them
and
the
intimacy
that
is
around
them
and
I
think
the
J
fact
facilitating
and
moving
this
to
the
front
of
their
agenda
as
they
complete.
This
first
phase
is
really
a
priority
that
we
see
piggybacking
on
some
of
the
things
that
I'll
start
this
off
and
then
turn
it
back
to
the
county
manager.
D
We
also
see
a
focus
in
relationship
to
that
on
adding
additional
crossing
guards,
and
we
are
in
the
process
of
how
we
can
expand
that
and
support
our
schools
with
the
internal
efficiencies.
Well,
it's
not
listed
here
our
work
with
Connect
Arlington
and
then
we're
doing
a
whole
host
of
facility
work
with
joint
use
of
school
and
community
center
facilities,
as
well
as
sharing
of
indoor
spaces.
If
you
can
go
and
flip
to
the
next
slide,
I'll
just
identify
some
other
areas
that
we
are
talking
about.
D
Also
the
installation
of
relocatable
classrooms,
especially
over
summer,
comes
pivotal
to
us
starting
off
on
a
good
foot
for
the
year
and
I
have
to
say
the
county
has
just
been
exceptional
here
and
then
also
how
we
are
transfer.
Transferring
land
back
and
forth
between
the
county
and
schools
has
been
something
that
has
been
very,
very
helpful
to
us.
So
I'll
kind
of
stop
there
mark
I'll.
Let
you
kind
of
pick
up
on
some
of
these
services
as
well.
All.
C
Right
so
the
there
actually
is
a
a
method
to
the
color
coding
here.
If
anybody
was
curious,
it's
a
it's,
a
questionable
method
which
people
should
feel
free
to
criticize
at
any
point
in
time.
But
given
that
these
are
joint
activities,
we
tried
to
characterize
some
things
that
were
essentially
gave
we're
given
birth
to
on
the
school
side.
C
Those
would
be
in
the
green
and
that
they're
coming
to
us
and
then
the
things
that
are,
for
example,
that
would
be,
for
example,
something
related
to
taylor,
school
and
zachary
taylor
park,
which
is
an
item
I
think
thats
on
the
school
board
agenda
for
thursday
evening.
An
analogous
example
coming
in
the
other
direction
would
be
that
we
worked
very
closely
with
the
schools
related
to
the
wilson
school.
We
have
something
as
simple
as
wilson
school
vacation
that
is
not
for
the
students,
but
that
is
rather
something
related
to
land
transaction
vacating,
some
property.
C
We
have
there.
So
I
just
wanted
to
conclude
by
saying
one
thing,
which
is
can't
be
emphasized
enough,
which
is
that
I
often
get
asked
by
my
department
heads
when
I'm
meeting
with
them?
Why
I
don't
spend
more
time
with
them,
because
I
spend
most
of
my
time
with
the
schools
and
that's
not
a
bad
thing.
The
schools
are
I
think
it
was
yesterday
the
number
one
or
two
developer
in
the
county.
C
They
are
an
incredibly
important
part
of
our
success
story
and
dealing
trying
to
attract
business
here
and
I'd
say
at
least
forty
percent
of
my
week
is
devoted
to
working
closely
with
dr.
Murphy
and
our
colleagues
in
the
schools
and-
and
we
welcome
that
and
I
would
just
say
to
the
community,
especially
those
people
who
are
wondering
whether
we'll
be
able
to
meet
the
challenges
in
the
future.
I
simply
say:
look
at
what
we're
doing
now
and
we've
done
over
the
last
few
years
on
this
list,
and
that
should
give
you
some
level
of
confidence.
A
F
Good
evening,
members
of
the
school
board
and
County
Board
I'm
ginger
Brown
I'm,
the
chair
of
the
J
FAC,
and
this
is
Greg
Greeley
and
he's
the
vice
chair
and
I
want
you
thank
you
for
having
us
here
this
evening
to
discuss
the
work
of
our
Commission
that
we've
been
working
on
for
the
past
few
months,
but
before
I
turn
it
over
to
Greg
to
begin
our
presentation.
I
wanted
to
take
a
minute
and
to
recognize
our
hard-working
J
FAC
members.
Many
of
them
aren't
in
the
audience.
If
they
could.
A
F
And
finally,
I
also
wanted
to
thank
and
recognize
our
many
community
members
that
have
shown
up
night
after
night
after
night
after
night
and
have
been
on
this
journey
with
us
so
far.
So
thank
you
to
them
as
well.
So
now
I'd
like
to
turn
it
over
to
Greg
to
begin
the
presentation
and
I'll
pick
it
up
in
a
minute.
G
Okay,
we'll
start
with
some
of
the
basics.
I
think
this
will
be
a
lot
familiar
to
many
people
in
the
room
here,
but
we
have
the
JPAC
Charter
talking
about
capital
facility,
who's,
talking
about
long-term
demographic
trends
and
long-range
planning,
all
stuff
we've
we've
we've
heard
already
today,
but
moving
on,
we
got
an
interesting
start
next
slide.
G
Our
first
thing
for
our
long-term
planning
was
short
term
tasks,
which
seems
a
bit
ironic,
but
both
of
the
sites
that
we'll
be
talking
about
tonight
have
very
important
long
term
implications
for
our
community.
So
we'll
be
talking
a
lot
more
about
the
buck
sight
on
North,
Quincy
Street
we'll
be
talking
a
lot
more
about
the
Virginia
Hospital
sites,
including
the
one
on
Karlin
Springs
Road,
and
what
could
be
done
there
next
Lane
as
a
reminder?
G
G
That's
received
the
most
attention,
as
you
see
up
there,
it's
a
fairly
large
site,
eleven
and
a
half
acres,
and
you
know
reflecting
back
on
the
earlier
presentations
and
the
importance
of
our
community
acquiring
more
land
for
all
of
the
people
we
anticipate
being
here
in
the
future.
Eleven
and
a
half
acres
is
certainly
an
interesting
potential
acquisition.
G
That
is
not,
however,
the
only
Virginia
hospitals
say
that
was
under
consideration.
Next
slide.
There
is
a
building
there,
as
well
as
some
existing
uses
at
Carlin
Springs,
the
one
that's
gotten.
The
most
attention
is
the
emergency
care
center,
which
is
something
that
the
hospital
has
committed
to
relocating.
If
the
county
determines
that
the
karlon
spring
site
is
what
they
would
want
to
exchange
with
Virginia
hospital,
but
there's
also
a
childcare
facility,
a
pediatric
care
facility
and
some
other
community-based
services
that
are
there
at
the
Carlin
Springs
site
next
slide.
G
There
are
also
properties
on
Lee
Highway,
four
of
them
both
to
the
north
and
to
the
south
of
Lee
Highway
at
George
Mason.
These
four
properties
have
a
variety
of
zoning,
and
one
of
the
things
that
is
most
important
note
is
that
two
of
the
properties
have
easements
for
crossed
sharing
the
parking.
This
was
actually
important
in
some
of
our
deliberations,
because
it
would
make
it
difficult
to
acquire
one
property
without
the
other
one.
Next
Lane
there
are
existing
buildings
and
existing
leases
on
these
sites.
G
You
can
see
some
of
the
existing
uses
are
Bank
branch,
a
childcare
facility,
a
shoe
repair,
a
title
loan
office
and
medical
offices,
so
all
of
those
existing
uses
have
leases
on
those
properties
that
extend
multiple
years
and
finally,
the
last
two
properties
were
on
16th
Street
North.
These
were
two
residential
properties,
they
are
not
adjacent,
they
are
separated,
and
that
was
important,
because
what
it
really
meant
is
that
the
number
of
potential
uses
that
these
sites
could
meet.
Where
were
they
close
to
none?
G
So
that
is
the
sum
total
of
all
of
the
Virginia
Hospital
properties.
Switching
to
our
other
subcommittee,
we
have
the
buck
property,
which
is
six
acres
on
North
Quincy.
The
county
has
an
option
to
acquire
that
site.
The
total
price
would
be
30
million.
We
have
three
million
that
has
been
already
put
down
on
the
property
to
retain
the
option
of
purchasing
that
site
and
the
deadline
is
the
end
of
November,
and
so
again
we
talked
a
lot
about
the
the
the
need
for
us
as
a
community
acquire
more
land.
G
G
Additionally,
on
the
buck
property,
the
county
managers
received
a
proposal
from
the
arc
land
company
to
swap
2.3
acres
at
buck
for
three
and
a
half
acres
on
Shirlington
Road.
So
that's
another
piece
of
this
transaction
that
our
subcommittee
looked
at
as
part
of
of
that
transaction.
I.
Think
it's
interesting
to
note
here.
We
did
not
look
very
closely
at
the
Shirlington
Road
site,
because
there
already
is
the
four
mile
run
working
group.
That's
examining
that
area.
G
We
did,
however,
receive
a
letter
from
them
that
noted
that
they
were
interested
in
using
the
Shirlington
Road
site
for
bus
storage,
whether
that
was
acquired
through
a
purchase
or
through
a
land
swap
so
it
was.
It
was
interesting
to
note
that
that
was
their
their
thinking
for
that
area,
some
more
characteristics
of
the
but
site.
It
is
industrial
zoned
which
has
been
you
know,
certainly
a
point
of
interest
for
the
possible
uses
there.
It
also
has
a
glup
designation
for
low
residential.
G
The
utilities
are
listed
there
and
I
think
the
important
element
with
utilities
is
the
fact
that
they
are
very
extensive.
They
cross
the
site
in
various
directions.
They're
also
anticipated
to
be
very
expensive
to
relocate.
So
that's
going
to
put
some
constraints
on
how
site
could
be
used
in
the
future.
G
There
are
four
existing
buildings,
so
we
looked
at
each
each
of
the
buildings
in
the
potential
adaptive
reuse
for
all
of
those
and
the
existing
uses.
There
include
the
mixed
martial
arts
indoor
play
space
gymnastics
as
well
as
two
of
the
office
buildings
which
are
currently
vacant
in
terms
of
land,
swap
you
can
see
there
a
comparison
between
the
Shirlington
Road
property
and
the
portion
of
the
buck
property
that
would
be
exchanged.
G
G
F
Both
of
our
subcommittees
have
been
piloting
the
use,
determination
process
that
was
created
through
the
community
facilities
study.
It's
a
four
phase
process
meant
to
serve
as
a
project
management
tool.
The
first
phase
is
to
scope
the
identified
use
or
it's
the
discovery.
Phase
phase
two
is
identifying
the
potential
uses
for
the
site
phase.
F
Three
is
the
evaluation
of
a
shortlist
of
sites
for
more
detailed
studies
on
traffic,
the
environmental
considerations
and
also
cost,
and
so
we
have
just
finished
phase
two,
so
we
still
have
phase
three
to
come
before
any
sort
of
final
recommendations
after
the
traffic
studies.
So
in
phase
one
we
we
established
our
subcommittees.
We
hosted
a
series
of
community
roundtables.
We
went
on
a
bus
tour
to
look
at
all
the
various
sites.
We
also
included
the
our
clone
site,
as
well
as
the
trade
center.
F
On
our
best
tour,
we
conducted
a
SWOT
analysis
and
we
established
our
use
considerations
and
evaluation
framework,
so
photos
of
our
bus
tour.
We
learned
a
lot
about
the
site.
It
was
mostly
to
better
understand
the
site
considerations.
We
did
not
discuss
the
actual
uses
on
our
bus
to
work
in
phase
one.
F
We
were
also
given
the
list
of
the
ten-year
needs
which
Superintendent
and
the
county
manager
would
have
talked
about
earlier,
and
so
we
could
flip
through
those
it's
a
fairly
long
list
and
those
included
generally
when
it's
needed,
why
it's
needed
and
possibly
where
it's
needed.
What?
What
area
of
the
county.
F
F
F
We
heard
very
clearly
that
the
county
should
acquire
the
karlon
Springs
property
in
the
land,
swap
we
heard
that
overwhelmingly
on
also
to
explore
decking
opportunities.
We
heard
from
the
from
many
community
members
the
concerns
about
industrial
uses
next
to
residential
neighborhoods,
and
also
that
we
should
be
thinking
about
mixed
uses
and
colocation
of
our
public
facilities.
And
finally,
we
also
heard
a
lot
about
of
concerns
about
the
environmental
impacts
of
industrial
uses
near
residential
neighborhoods.
Also,
traffic
and
safety
and
noise
concerns.
F
So
in
phase
1
we
did
a
SWOT
analysis,
which
is
a
deep
dive
into
the
strengths,
weaknesses,
opportunities
and
constraints
of
the
sites
in
order
to
better
understand
and
plan
for
the
issues
that
were
specific
to
the
site,
examples
would
be
closest
to
the
neighbors,
limited
ingress,
egress
resource
protection
areas,
legal
covenants
and
also
sewer
pipes
and
other
things
that
would
be
hard
to
move.
So
then
we
got
to
phase
2
by,
and
this
is
the
phase
that
we
identify
the
potential
uses.
So
we
held
subcommittee
meetings.
F
The
civic
associations
gave
us
presentations,
we
did
a
four-part,
what
bits
exercise
and
we
became
began.
Our
use
consideration
review
using
our
evaluation
framework.
We
used
a
use,
consideration
and
evaluation
framework.
That
was
a
four
tiered
evaluation
process.
The
first
year
was
a
pass/fail,
so
if,
for
instance,
there
was
an
use
that
was
for
a
fire
station
on
the
western
end
of
the
pike,
it
was
crossed
off
the
list
to
be
considered
at
buck.
I
was
pass/fail.
H
F
We
looked
for
important
characteristics,
desirable
characteristics
and
then
Tier
four.
We
haven't
done
yet
because
it's
coming
in
phase
three,
that's
the
more
traffic,
more
detailed
traffic
analyses
and
costs
and
environmental
considerations.
So
we
had
forty
different
use
considerations
and
it
was
meant
to
be
iterative,
so
we're
not
completely
finished.
Then
we
started
our
force
part.
What
bits
exercise.
F
It
was
mostly
a
space
planning
and
problem-solving
exercise,
so
we
were
required
to
actually
solve
some
problems
and
make
it
all
fit
and
we
used
to
scale
pieces
to
see
what
fit
and
how
it
could
fit
together.
So,
in
the
first
part
we
came
up
was
brainstorming
and
we
came
up
with
34
different
schemes
for
buck
and
17
different
schemes
for
the
Karl
and
spring
sites.
F
Our
second
round
of
part,
two,
we
removed
the
lehigh
way
sites
and
we
brought
it
down
to
six
schemes
at
buck
and
seven
schemes
at
Carlin
Springs
and
finally,
we
paired
them
to
make
sure
that
we
were
solving
the
problem.
So
if
bus
parking
wasn't
being
solved
at
one,
it
was
being
solved
at
the
other,
and
so
we
ended
up
with
five
schemes.
Five
at
buck
and
five
Carlos
Springs,
and
so
these
are
just
photos
of
our
various
space
planning
exercises
and
we
looked
at
all
kinds
of
fields
and
lots
and
lots
of
things.
F
Then
we
narrowed
it.
This
is
con
Springs.
We
part
two
more
space
planning
and
finally,
the
five
five
scenarios
that
we
ultimately
brought
to
the
community
forum.
So
we
arrived
at
these
five
scenarios
for
what
could
fit.
I
would
like
to
point
out
that
the
jmf
members
had
not
yet
weighed
in
on
what
should
fit.
We
wanted
to
hear
from
the
community
directly
before
we
made
any
recommendations
on
the
scenarios
to
move
forward
to
phase
three,
so
believe
me,
the
public
did
weigh
in
when
we
went
to
our.
F
We
had
a
community
forum
on
May
24th.
We
had
a
hundred
participants
from
25
different
neighborhoods
and
we
got
750
comments
that
evening.
We
also
had
an
open
house.
The
scenarios
have
been
on
display
at
Courthouse
for
June,
but
we
also
received
over
500
comments
online,
and
so
those
and
those
comments
weighed
heavily
in
our
recommendations.
F
It
should
be
noted
that
the
community
dislikes
the
bus
parking
the
most
the
J
fat
came
to
the
consensus
that
the
bus
parking
at
buck
or
Carlin
Springs
is
not
they've
heard,
not
the
preferred
option.
Only
as
a
last
resort,
Carlin
a
proposes
a
new
building
for
fire
reserve
and
fire
logistics.
It
has
ApS
bus
storage,
and
but
it
should
be
noted.
These
are
just
the
overflow
buses
of
about
two
dozen
that
are
not
it's,
not
the
full
fleet.
This
there
would
be
in
a
substantial
expansion
of
the
park.
F
F
Buck
B
includes
the
ark
land
storage
facility
in
the
rear
of
the
property
next
to
Hays
Park.
It
moves
the
driveway
next
to
I
66
I,
sixty
six,
which
would
put
the
most
vehicle
activity
away
from
a
residential
area.
This
option
includes
a
fairly
large
buffer
of
green
space.
Again,
space
could
be
used
for
courts
like
pickleball
small
courts,
and
this
could
be
designed
using
the
forthcoming
recommendations
of
the
public
spaces
master
plan.
It
also
includes
material
staging
a
police,
impound
lot,
police
and
vehicle
equipment,
and
an
area
for
future
needs.
F
Carlin
B
proposes
a
new
building
for
the
operation,
the
Office
of
Emergency
Management
and
has
a
PS
bus,
storage
and
material
staging
area,
and
we
basically
there's
three
areas
park.
Space
potentially
parking
for
buses
and
then
des
needs
should
be
noted
that
Carlin
B
is
similar
enough
to
Carlin
a
that.
We
recommended
only
one
move
forward
that
being
Carlin
a
because
the
Office
of
Emergency
Management
can
be
sited
anywhere,
including
in
lease
space.
F
Buck,
see
this
option
reuses
or
repurposes
all
of
the
buildings
on
the
site
for
fire
and
police
and
school
needs.
There
is
an
option
for
schools
to
use
the
building
next
to
Hays,
Park
and
the
office
building
in
the
middle
of
the
property.
This
option
includes
adding
a
green
buffer.
It
is
the
lowest
investment
offer
option,
so
it
retains
the
most
flexibility
for
the
future
buck.
F
C
is
also
the
most
preferred
overwhelmingly
by
the
community,
so
it
is
the
recommendation
of
J
fact
that
it
moved
forward
to
Phase
three
Carlin
see
this
option
would
allow
for
temporary
use
of
the
site
for
bus
parking
and
it
would
allow
for
a
school
either
elementary
or
middle
school.
At
the
point
that
a
decision
could
be
made
on
whether
it
could
be
in
elementary
or
middle
school,
it
includes
an
expansion
of
the
park.
The
park
could
be
passive
or
active.
There
could
be
fields
which
could
be
informed
by
the
forthcoming
public
spaces
master
plan.
F
It
has
the
lease
back
space
from
the
Archelon
proposal
for
aps
bus
parking,
the
rear,
includes
keeping
the
building
next
to
Hayes
Park
for
APS
or
OEM
there's
a
buffer
area,
and
it
reuses
one
of
the
warehouses
for
the
police,
vehicles
and
equipment
during
the
community
forum
and
through
our
online
feedback.
We
heard
that
the
county
should
we
heard
it
loudly
that
the
county
should
not
move
forward
with
the
arkham
pros
proposal,
because
the
future
opportunity
cost
of
losing
control
of
the
land.
F
Besides
the
seven
story,
building
it
doesn't
incorporate
existing
small
businesses,
including
the
gymnastics
and
there's
no
design
review
process
it
would
preclude
building
over
and
it
was
seen
as
precluding
building
over
I
6666,
so
the
J
fact
could
not
run
recommend
moving
it
forward,
as
is
Carlin
D
included,
a
new
building
for
fire
reserve
and
logistics.
A
police,
impound
lot
and
material
staging
area
includes
an
expansion
of
the
park
for
passive
or
a
curry,
active
recreation,
and
the
scenario
includes
leaving
an
unplanned
paved
space.
The
community
feedback
clearly
demonstrated
a
dislike
for
the
scenario.
F
The
unplanned
paved
parking
lot
appears
to
be,
or
was
considered
to
be
a
dumping
ground
for
all
things
undesirable
buck.
Ii
is
an
expensive
option
without
a
thorough
long-range
plan
to
go
with
it.
It's
sort
of
half-baked
the
expansion
of
Hayes
Park
is
highly
desirable
and
then
but
the
new
buildings
would
be
expensive,
and
if
we
are
going
to
do
a
long-range
plan,
we
should
probably
do
a
real
one.
F
Carlin
II
includes
greatly
expanding
the
open
space
and
in
the
long
range
building
fields,
the
top
of
bus
parking
again.
This
would
probably
require
more
of
a
long-range,
real
long-range
plan
to
make
this
happen
so
into
our
recommendations.
We
recommend
acquiring
the
buck
and
Carlin
spring
sites
narrowing
the
scenarios
for
further
study.
We
recommend
the
Bucks
scenario,
C
and
Carlin
Springs
scenario.
A
and
C
move
forward.
Scenarios
that
include
the
are
clone
land
exchange
or
bus
parking
require
further
study.
F
We
believe
we
believe
that
further
exploration
of
the
art
and
bus
ApS
bus
parking,
siting
analysis
should
be
considered.
We
also
consider
the
our
clone
proposal
through
the
long
term
lens
and
include,
should
include
him
if
it
moves
forward.
It
should
include
a
mixed
set
of
uses
studying
how
to
meet
ApS
fields
needs
for
the
Washington
and
Lee
school
beyond
the
buck
sight.
G
A
That
was
a
very
efficient
54.
Slides.
Well
done
very
well
done.
Okay!
So
now
now
we're
at
a
point
where
all
the
ten
of
us
here
and
I
think
the
manager
and
superintendent
are
available
as
our
other
staff,
but
I
think
we'll
just
open
the
floor.
The
focus
of
the
first
part
of
the
discussion
I
think,
will
make
on
the
scenarios
that
we
just
heard.
So
what
questions
do
we
have?
What
what
it
made?
A
Some
of
this
may
be
trying
to
understand
how
some
of
these
recommendations
came
forward
and
more
depth,
but
I
really
think
it's
time
to
just
open
the
floor
with
some
of
your
questions
or
some
of
your
framing
of
the
the
ten
scenarios
that
are
right
before
us,
because
ultimately,
the
county
boards
got
to
give
some
guidance
about
which
of
these
scenarios.
We
think
our
staff
should
be
digging
further
into
so
anyone
like
to
start
that
Thank.
I
You,
mr.
chairman,
thanks
very
much
school
board,
colleagues
and
the
all
the
J
fact,
members
I
think
did
a
phenomenally
good
job.
Our
our
briefing
materials
are
terrific
I
attended
a
couple
of
the
outreach
sessions,
Gregg
and
ginger,
as
you
know,
really
strong
work,
so
just
kind
of
three
three
questions
that
that
that
relate
to
the
very
sites:
buses,
storage,
self-storage
and
decking.
So
with
respect
to
buses,
we've
got
school
buses
and
art
buses.
I
And
my
question
is:
how
did
you,
how
did
you
analyze
whether
on
a
particular
particular
scenario,
there
would
be
space
to
accommodate
art
buses
versus
ApS
buses
and,
and
was
there?
Can
you
say
whether
or
not
there
were
any,
you
know,
is
one
use
more
benign
than
another,
in
other
words
our
school
buses,
more
benign
because
they're,
seasonal,
and
because
it's
you
know
so.
F
We
actually
work
closely
with
the
urban
design
and
research
team,
so
we
would
go
back,
we
would
space
planet
and
then
they
would
come
back
and
they
worked
with
des
transportation
to
know
how
much
how
big
a
bus
is
and
how
much
space
it
would
take.
So
it
was
the
professional
work
of
staff.
If
they'd
like
to
comment
any
more
on
how
you
would
plan
for
a
hundred
and
thirty
buses
at
a
site,
so
it
was
staffs
in
terms
of
how
big
art,
busing
or
APA.
I
F
I
F
I
I
No
question
about
that
I
mean
just
you
know,
plunging
right
into
the
relative
merits
of
these
various
scenarios.
One
concern
I
have
with
Carlin
Springs
see
is
that
this
is
a
site
where
you're
you
know
we're
on
this
drawing
you're
showing
both
ApS
parking
and
art
bus
parking
and
yet
at
scenario
see
for
the
buck
property.
There's
no
bus
parking
at
all
so
I
mean
there's.
You
know,
there's
that
equitability
dynamic
that
I'm
concerned
about.
Certainly
let
me
let
me
turn
to
the
to
the
self
storage
site
and
nobody
likes.
I
You
know
the
doesn't
sound
like
anybody
really
is
particularly
fond
of
that
option.
At
the
same
time,
and
and
I'm
I
appreciate,
where
did
the
manager
go
they're
here,
they're
in
the
first
row?
Okay,
I,
don't
know
mark
if
you
want
to
chime
in
here,
but
you
know
I,
think
one
of
the
one
of
the
foundations
for
your
even
rolling
out
that
option
was
because
that
it
would
save
us
money
and
it
would
it
would
it
would.
It
would
give
us
ownership
rather
than
a
long-term
lease
it.
I
You
know
down
it
at
four
mile
run,
so
I
just
want
to
ask
if,
if
we
leave
our
gland
on
the
table,
what
can
we
do
to
inform
as
to
design
options,
architectural
options
activation
of
the
roof
and
even
activation
of
the
ground
floor?
In
other
words,
first
floor
retail
uses
a
community
room
or
a
mini
community
center.
Anything
like
that
I
mean.
Can
we
be
looking
at
those
things
you.
A
C
To
give
up
my
chair
so
to
answer
your
question,
because
the
property
at
bucks
site-
and
you
feel
free
to
jump
in
at
any
point
in
time-
is
zoned
industrial
and
if
it
were
to
be
used
for
self
storage,
that
would
be
something
that
would
be
by
right.
In
other
words,
if
the
property
were
I
did
to
Ark
land
and
they
owned
it,
then
they
could
do
what
they
chose.
To
do.
C
The
way
to
the
way
to
change
any
of
the
things
and
put
any
of
our
desires
on
there
about
form
or
content
or
design
would
be
through
the
negotiation
over
the
land
swap,
so
we
could
make
anything
a
condition
of
the
land
swap
if
the
the
other
parties
prepared
to
accept
it
and
put
it
in
the
land
swap
theirs.
That
would
be
at
the
direction
of
the
county
board.
What
kind
of
restrictions
to
put
in
there
so
it
could
be
restrictions
talking
about
design
about
height,
about
potential
retail
uses.
C
I
F
A
A
J
Can
you
give
us
a
little
bit
of
a
sense
of
some
of
the
back-of-the-envelope
costs
of
advancing
a
given
and
I'll
say
a
given
site
scenario,
so
not
a
pair
of
scenarios
but
per
site?
You
know
that
phase
three
involves
design
studies,
transportation,
impact
analyses,
etc.
So
you
know
I,
we
love
keeping
our
options
open
on
the
board.
What
would
prevent
us,
for
example,
from
saying?
Let's
go
ahead
and
study,
you
know
all
six
or
all
eight
permutations
give
us
a
sense
of
the
costs
of
doing
that
analysis
per
se.
That'd
be
great.
K
We
we
did
take
an
initial
look
at
the
the
scope
of
the
analysis
that
would
need
to
be
done
as
part
of
Phase
three,
of
course,
based
on
the
guidance
that
work
that
the
je
FAC
receives
this
evening,
we'll
go
ahead
and
update
that
information.
So
this
is
just
an
initial
kind
of
estimate
of
the
the
activities
and
the
time
and
the
cost
associated
with
valuing
evaluating
at
least
one
scenario.
So
to
start
we
would
need
to.
We
would
need
to
look
at
conducting
a
traffic
impact
assessment,
environmental
assessments,
potentially
archeological
assessments.
K
Looking
at
the
building
condition,
all
of
those
items
would
take
a
fair
amount
of
staff
time
consultants
support
time
in
turn
may
be
nine
to
twelve
months
of
work,
costing
about
a
half
a
million
dollars
and
beyond
that
scenario.
So,
if
you
have
permutations
of
the
scenario
that
would
be
an
additional
quarter
million
dollars
or
more
so.
J
I
appreciate
that
I
think
it's
worth
having
that
shared
context,
as
we
start
to
narrow
right,
because
the
narrowing
will
be
the
thing.
The
only
other
comment
I
wanted
to
just
make
was
to
the
second
bullet.
That
was
on
the
slide
that
J
fact
presented
us
the
first
for
discussion
about
the
the
J
feck
review
of
the
county's
evaluation
or
assessment
of
bus
parking
options
throughout
the
community.
You
know
I
know,
as
probably
was
already
clear
for
mr.
Vyse
hats,
questions
and
certainly
clear
from
the
j5
presentation.
J
I
think
we
all
feel
like
bus
parking
is
probably
not
the
highest
and
best
use
of
any
of
these
sites
or
I.
Think
most
neighborhoods
would
feel
the
same
way
given.
However,
as
we
had
a
presentation
on
our
transit
development
plan,
bus
parking
represents
the
ability
of
this
County
to
fulfill
its
commitment
to
people,
particularly
along
Columbia
Pike.
It
needs
to
go
somewhere.
The
counties
conducted
a
annex
its
extensive
analyses,
but
the
J
FAC
has
remaining
questions
that
I
think
are
really
good
ones
that
many
members
of
our
community
share.
J
So
I
wanted
to
articulate
that
and
at
least
voice
for
one
of
ten
strong
support
for
a
follow-up
community
meeting,
hosted
by
the
J
feckin
and
led
by
the
JPAC
to
really
assess
and
scrub.
The
analysis
that's
been
done
to
date
to
make
sure
there
isn't
some
other
option
hiding
out
there
for
our
for
our
bus
for
the
future
and
I
think
others
can.
A
H
You
and
Greg
ginger.
Thank
you
great
work,
all
the
way
through
really
great
presentation.
Mr.
Landry
and
I
had
the
privilege
of
being
the
liaisons
to
this
process
from
the
school
board
side
and
really
enjoyed
working
with
you,
all
and
but
I
do
want
to
fill
in
some
context
that
we
kind
of
were
briefed
on
along
the
way,
but
may
have
taken
some
members
of
our
school
community
and
and
our
school
board.
H
Colleagues
by
surprise,
in
terms
of
of
how
those
the
scenarios
played
out
I
do
want
to
mention
I
believe
it's
the
case
we've
been
referring
to
directing
County
staff
to
you
know,
dig
into
some
of
these
scenarios,
but
in
fact
these
are
joint.
There's
a
joint
decision-making
process,
we're
both
weighing
in
on
which
of
these
scenarios.
We
would
like
both
of
our
staffs
to
be
digging
into
more.
These
are
both
school
and
County
uses
that
are
being
recommended
on
both
sites.
H
Potentially
so
I
did
want
to
ask
you
about
the
couple
of
points
where
the
schools
are
included
on
the
site,
so
the
first
is
on
the
buck.
It's
actually
was
in
three
scenarios:
a
C
and
D,
but
I.
Think
C
is
the
one
that's
most
favored
buck
C
in
that
building.
Next
to
Hays
Park
you
have
a
potential
school
site
and
I.
Believe
you
really.
That
idea
really
came
from
the
community
that
science
focused
parents
and
now
we've
also
received
a
letter
from
the
science
focus
PTA,
president
being
very
interested
in
that
site.
H
H
That
yeah
yeah
thank
you
and
then
I
also
wanted
to
ask
on
in
general
about
buck.
You
were
not
able
to
fit
fields,
which
was
one
of
the
the
items
that
we
were
very
interested
in,
knowing
especially
that
Debbie
Nell
might
be
growing
and
I
wondered
if
you
could
just
expand
on
that
as
well
as
your
recommendation,
then
that
you
do
pursue
a
search
for
fields
going
forward.
So
if
you
could
also
share
a
little
bit
about,
though.
F
Those
sort
of
types
and
one
of
them
is
84
inches
in
size
and
it
would
cost
10
to
15
million
dollars.
So
on
top
of
the
cost
of
the
project
or
the
property,
it
just
didn't
seem
like
a
short-term
solution,
and
if
putting
on
top
of
that,
it
was
also
a
former
industrial
site
for
a
railroad.
So
it's
certainly
contaminated.
So
by
the
time
you
dealt
with
the
contamination,
the
pipes
and
the
fact
that
they
don't
really
fit
easily
it
just
didn't.
We
did
the
final
scenario.
F
L
I
just
like
to
pick
up
on
what
mr.
Weiss
dad
miss
crystal
talked
about
with
the
with
the
bus
park
in
which,
in
some
ways
was
kind
of
this
straw
that
stirred
the
drink
on
a
lot
of
these
and
trying
to
figure
out
where
things
would
go
and
I'm
just
curious
is
if
you
could
elaborate
a
little
bit
more
on
the
specific
objections
that
people
had
with
this
other
than
not
being
highest
and
best
use
of
which
none
of
these
really
are.
L
You
know
getting
getting
at
what
was
really
driving
the
community
concern
and
then,
secondarily,
if
there
was
any
conversation
about
ways
that
people
have
addressed
this
in
other
communities,
because
it's
it's
it's
a
common
problem
that
lots
of
communities
have
had
to
deal
with
so
anyway
putting
a
lot
on
you
to
just
determine
the
nature
and
tenor
of
the
community
conversation
and
objection
to
the
bus
issue.
Specifically.
F
I
well,
there
was
a
few
things.
First
of
all,
they
thought
and
specifically
that
it
was
an
under
utilization
of
the
property
that
it's
a
parking
lot,
that
it's
a
lot
of
pavement,
so
it
there
was
a
lot
of
folks
sort
of
view.
This
property,
which
is
situated
between
Washington
and
Lee,
and
Hayes
Park
and
science,
focus
as
a
corridor
for
schools,
or
it
has
the
potential
for
something
greater
and
bus
parking
was
not
in
that
kind
of
vision.
Right.
F
So
that's
one
thing,
but
the
specific
objections
to
bus
parking
and
a
lot
to
do
with
light.
So,
as
you
can
imagine,
if
it's,
if
we
have
a
hard
time
lighting
fields,
you
can
imagine
lighting,
120
buses
to
keep
them
secure
at
night
and
and
so
that
that
would
be
a
major
consideration.
Also
the
noise,
because
art
buses
and
ApS
buses
tend
to
leave
early
in
the
morning.
Maybe
it's
not
such
an
issue
at
other
times,
but
at
at
night,
so
I
think
that
it's
the
the
noise
and
and
the
and
the
light.
F
Frankly,
we
did
do
our
best
to
do
a
buffer.
So
if
you
look
at
the
art
bus
parking
on
the
Bucks
site,
we
tried
to
keep
the
buses
away
from
the
neighbors,
but
you
know
they're
right
up
against
it,
so
the
Carlin
Springs
site,
I
think
a
lot
of
it
is
the
traffic.
Frankly
there's
terrible
traffic
at
especially
at
rush
hour.
We
heard
it
over
and
over
and
over
again
and
staff
agrees,
there's
terrible
traffic,
so
it
didn't
seem
to
be
a
very
good
place
for
buses,
but
also
the
environmental
contamination.
F
A
L
M
To
in
crown
spring
first
off,
thank
you.
It's
great
work
and
I
appreciate
the
presentation.
It's
excellent
kahlan's
spring
scenarios
see
there
is
space
for
an
APs
and
I.
Think
you
mentioned
would
be
elementary
or
middle
school.
Does
that
space
include
fields?
For
that,
because
I
know
we
have
green
space.
That
is
for
a
park
DPR,
but
is.
Are
we
sharing
that
space
DPR?
Is
that
the
space
that
you
allocated
for
schools
include
fields
for
middle
or
elementary.
G
If
you
look
at
the
needs
for
middle
school
versus
in
elementary
school,
the
footprint
would
be
slightly
larger
from
the
field
needs,
but
the
building
itself
could
be
made
taller.
So
we
could
have
a
larger
school
population
that
the
middle
schools
would
have,
but
keep
approximately
the
same
footprint
for
the
building.
F
Mention
that
the
subcommittee's
actually
sort
of
looked
at
this
a
little
differently.
The
Buc
subcommittee
always
thought
of
the
parking
in
scenario
C
as
sort
of
the
temporary
short
term.
Hopefully
we'll
find
some
something
else,
because
bus
parking
was
never
seen
as
a
great
option
on
Carlin
Springs
and
that
a
school
would
be
planned
and
it
could
come
later,
but
it
would
never
be
both
like
you
wouldn't
put
a
school
next
to
120
art
buses,
it
just
never.
That
was
never
at
the
plan.
It
was.
F
The
our
discussion
was
buses
for
a
while
transitioning
to
a
school
when
the
school
was
was
ready
to
decide
what
kind
of
school
and
we
dealt
with
the
traffic,
because
I
think
we
all
went
in
into
this.
Knowing
that
Karlin
springs
has
terrible
traffic
issues,
and
so
it
may
not
be
in
urgent
may
not
be
the
first
one
on
a
site
for
a
new
school.
So.
M
Just
two
follow-ups
on
this,
and
just
let
me
know
if
you
need
me
to
let
someone
else
go
so
just
to
be
clear.
We
do
either
have
a
space
for
school
with
parks
and
before
we
get
there,
we
would
use
it
for
bus
parking
and
it
would
give
us
time
to
find
other
bus
parking
or
whatever.
There
would
at
any
point
what
is
currently
cited
as
art
bus
parking
would
at
any
point,
would
there
be
like
the
emergency,
the
office
of
emergency
management
across
the
street
from
the
school
or
I'm.
F
Really
what
we
decided
was
there
were
so
many
other
planning
processes
happening.
That
was
mostly
our
swing
space,
Land
Bank.
Let's
wait
to
see
how
things
happen.
Go
scenario
that
it
would
be
very
hard
to
specifically
plan
it
right
now,
but
that
could
be
used
for
short
term
uses.
Surface
uses,
nothing
no
high
investment
uses,
and
then
it
could
be
a
school
okay,
perfect.
M
Where
is
your
priority
like
if
we
were
able
to
say
okay,
we're
gonna,
move
forward
with
conferring
scenario
C
and
buck
scenario,
C
or
buck
scenario
a?
Would?
We
really
have
ability
to
have
all
three
of
those
spaces
without
jeopardizing
a
county
need?
Because
I
don't
know
where
your
priority
list
is
yeah.
A
M
And
so
I
just
want
to
make
one
final
statement
on
the
traffic
study
for
the
Carlin
Springs
I'm,
the
liaison
Kenmore
middle
school
and
most
of
the
liaison
to
the
Glen
Carlin
Civic
Association,
and
it
so
imperative
we
have
really.
We
really
need
to
figure
out
a
way
to
address
that.
So
as
we
move
forward,
however,
we
move
forward.
We
really
need
to
do
something
with
our
the
pedestrian
situation.
The
I
don't
know.
If
we
do
pedestrian
bridges,
I,
don't
know,
I,
don't
know
what
the
answers
are.
M
I
know
we're
advocating
for
crossing
guards,
but
whatever
we
can
do
to
help
address
our
immediate
needs
and
then,
when
we
move
forward,
if
we
move
forward
with
these
sites,
we
can
really
be
in
a
good
place
to
help
the
community
support.
The
community
I
think
that
they
really
just
really
need
that.
So
I
wanted
to
put
a
little
picture
for.
N
Thank
you,
I
know
it's
gonna
sound
crazy,
but
my
subject
of
my
comments
and
questions
is
not
about
bus
parking,
so
you
know
get
ready,
and
this
set
of
questions
is
about
timing,
and
so
let
me
ask
about
the
buck
property.
First
I'm,
not
exactly
sure
who
to
ask
this
question
of
realistically.
When
will
the
buck
property
be
ready
for
development
by
APs?
N
Assuming
that
you
know
we're
doing
something
there,
which
I
think
we?
We
are
all
assuming
that
so
there's
gonna
be
several
steps:
jfx
gonna!
Do
there
next
step?
What
should
fit?
There's
gonna
be
purchased.
There's
gonna,
be
a
determination,
abuse.
There's
we're
gonna
need
some
bond
funding.
There's
gonna
be
construction.
What
time
frame
are
we
really
looking
at
before?
We
can,
you
know,
have
students
sit
in
permanent
spaces
they're
roughly.
C
So
let
me
walk
you
through
a
few,
a
few
things
that
are
known
and
I
think
a
few
things
that
aren't
known,
which
is
that
and
the
timeline.
We
would
if
the
county
board
chooses
to
exercise
the
option.
The
property
comes
into
our
possession
at
the
end
of
November
of
this
calendar
year
and
then,
if
there
were
to
be
I,
think
your
question
was
about.
C
Let's
say
there
was
going
to
be
a
school,
some
sort
of
school
building
our
school
facility
there,
all
the
steps
that
I
think
that
ginger
and
Greg
talked
about,
which
and
and
was
mentioned
were
mentioned
by
Miss
Fioretti,
which
include
an
archeological
assessment.
A
environmental
assessment
traffic
assessment
would
have
to
happen,
and
those
are
at
least
probably
nine
months
I've
seen
nine
months
to
a
year
before
you
have
a
final
conclusion
on
that,
and
then
there
would
have
to
be
if
there
were,
if
you're,
using
the
current
space
the
current
building
there.
C
Those
buildings
require
some
rehabilitation
of
some
kind
and
I
think
that
would
take
a
period
of
time.
I
can't
speak
to
how
long
that
might
take
the
buildings,
have
a
solid
foundation.
They're
not
falling
down,
but
they
require
some
interior
work
and
renovation.
So
at
least
six
months
to
a
year
there
so
I'd
say
before
you
could
actually
move
anybody
in
and
assume
you
are.
C
N
Okay,
thank
you
so
I'm
going
to
ask
the
same
question
about
the
the
Karlin
Springs
site.
Let
me
actually
back
up
and
I
should
have
said.
Thank
you
to
both
you
to
all
of
the
J
fact,
members
of
community
members
and
the
staff
who
have
been
involved
in
getting
us
to
where
we
are
today,
after
only
six
frenetic
months.
So
thank
you
all
for
this.
A
C
The
there's
I
think
it's
called
a
transportation
safety
analysis
which
were
committed
to
doing
which
is
I,
always
say
one
of
the
more
I.
Don't
wanna
say
it's
straightforward,
but
it's
it's
the
easiest
piece
of
this,
though
it's
not
easy
to
do
the
kinds
of
transportation
options
that
you
look
at
are
ways
to
try
to
reduce
some
of
the
single
occupancy
vehicle
traffic,
but
from
what
a
little
I
know,
we
have
transportation
staff
here.
That
can
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong
a
lot
of
that
traffic
is
coming
from
outside
our
jurisdiction.
C
So
we
could
have
lots
of
incentives.
If
we
wanted
to
convince
Arlington
residents
to
behave
differently,
we
have
a
lot
of
pass-through
traffic
from
Fairfax
County.
We
have,
which
is
a
real
problem,
and
so
some
of
the
other,
some
of
the
other
transformation
that
would
need
to
take
place
those
roads
are,
are
packed
and
busy
would
require
really
substantial
kinds
of
adjustments.
Whether
it's
and
I'm
not
saying
we
would
do
it,
but
it
might
include
increasing
the
size
of
the
right-of-way
and
easements
and
purchases
of
property.
Those
are
quite
considerable.
C
I
think
they
could
and
we
can
do
anything
we
want
there
as
long
as
we've
consulted
with
the
community.
We
have
the
funds
and
we've
laid
it
out,
but
that's
a
multi-year
I
think
that's
a
multi-year
process,
that's
the
best.
I
could
say
for
that.
So
at
least
five
years
into
the
future
before
you
realize
some
of
the
more
substantial
kinds
of
improvements
and
then.
C
A
In
as
these
are,
these
are
good
questions,
it's
hard
I
think
for
anyone
around
the
table
to
answer
them,
because
it's
sort
of
a
what
comes
first,
the
chicken
to
the
egg.
What
are
we
designing?
A
road
for
yeah?
You
know
it's
almost
that
that
planners
have
to
step
back
and
figure
out
whether
you
do
some
feasibility
analysis
first.
A
Is
it
possible
to
create
a
road
without
going
and
getting
all
the
vacations
any
easements
and
because
it
might
change
if
it
were
bus
parking
or
if
it
were
an
emergency
communication
center
or
if
it
were
a
middle
school
or
if
it
weren't
elementary
school
those
and
what
might
be
on
the
Kenmore
site
as
well?
So
what
what
is
a
priority?
So
its
first
question
might
be
feasibility,
but
you
know
get
into
the
rest
of
it.
A
To
actual
you
know,
detailed
design
or
purchase
or
implementation
until
be
ashamed
to
go
through
all
that
and
then
decide
you
don't
we
don't
need
a
particular
facility
there.
So
these
are
a
number
of
questions
that
are
a
little
bit
chicken-and-egg,
that
I,
think
staff
and
planners
have
to
think
through
and
J.
Faq
probably
has
to
help
us
think
through
a
little
bit
further
sure.
A
N
A
Actually,
James
can
I.
Ask
you
a
question.
First
I'm
sorry
can
I
go
to
the
scenarios
and
I'll
just
say
up
front
I.
Think
the
recommendation
on
C
is
I
like
it.
I'm
good
with
I
mean
I,
don't
know
if
it's
time
to
take
a
head
not
on
that
one,
but
we're
getting
a
lot
of
questions
around
C,
which
probably
leads
me
to
believe.
A
People
are
kind
of
gravitating
towards
C,
and
that's
where
the
JPJ
facts
sort
of
gravitated
the
question
I
have
more
is
around
a
the
the
Karlan
a
and
that
is
that
that
the
J
FAC
recommended
both
C's
and
1a.
So
if
you
did
a
where's,
what
does
that
mean?
You're
pairing
that
up
with
what,
with
the
other
the
buck
C
and
then,
where
is
that
lovely
everyone
wants
bus
parking,
I.
F
A
F
J
A
I
know
you
all
spent
a
lot
of
time,
thinking
about
bus
parking
in
a
way
that
you
know
nobody
in
this.
We
hate
we
just
never
have
as
a
community
and
it's
hard
and
it's
not
something
that's
desirable,
so
can
I
actually
haven't
turned
to
the
manager
on
this
one.
Just
briefly
and
it'll
dovetail
with
what
ginger
just
said
is
there
are.
A
There
are
three
sites
that
are
laid
out
as
potential
for
bus
parking
buck,
which
is
in
a
scenario
or
two,
but
not
recommended
for
further
discussion,
Carlin
Springs,
which
is
seen
as
short
term,
even
in
the
best
of
cases,
and
then
there's
the
site
in
Shirlington,
which
wasn't
really
analyzed,
but
it
was
only
analyzed
as
a
surrogate
almost
with
the
arc
line,
site
and
and
J
FAC
doesn't
really
like
the
arc
length'
swap.
So
if
you
could
just
tell
us
to
the
degree
you
all
shared
this
with
Jeff
Acker,
it
influenced
them.
A
C
A
L
Go
ahead,
mr.
Schwartz
operationally
are
existing
in
our
plan.
Heavy
maintenance
facilities
are
easiest
ly
accessed
by
the
Shirlington
Road
site.
So
in
many
ways
that
is
an
idea
if
you
were
to
actually
design
this
without
trying
to
figure
out
what
neighborhoods
are
going
to
think
of
it,
given
all
of
the
other
existing
pieces
that
would
be
about
where
you
you
place
it
on
a
map.
Is
that
alright,
it.
C
You
know
it's
very
close
to
395
and
the
heavy
maintenance
facility
we're
looking
at
in
Fairfax.
County
has
easiest
access
to
that,
though.
That's
not
not
a
primary
consideration
and
for
rollout
and
again
given
its
location
and
I,
would
say
the
apparently
universal
acclaim
from
the
Four
Mile
Run
Valley
working
group
about
how
that
would
be
acceptable
to
to
that
those
stakeholders
that
that
makes
it
a
also
attractive.
Well,.
L
L
You
know
I
just
want
to
I,
don't
want
to
give
anyone
the
impression
that
we're
looking
to
dump
anything
down
in
the
Nok
Shirlington
area.
This
can
be
something
that
very
much
exists
well
within
a
revitalizing
area.
That's
looking
for
you
know,
planned
future
development
and
I
think
that
working
group
has
realized
that
this
can
be
a
very
compatible
use.
I
am
NOT,
saying
this
to
have
other
neighborhoods
embrace
and
welcome
the
concept
of
bus
parking,
but
I
do
want
our
community
not
to
fear
it.
It's
not
an
evil
thing.
J
That
our
county
manager
just
said,
which
is
the
heavy
maintenance
facility
in
Fairfax,
where
it
currently
lives,
where
we're
looking
to
site
a
new
one
and
I
know
this
comes
up
a
lot
in
the
community.
Why
can't
you
meet
some
of
these
facility
needs
outside
the
county?
I
just
wanted
to
make
sure
that
that
comment
wasn't
lost,
we're
doing
that
wherever
we
can
right.
E
E
E
So
if
you
could
just
discuss
what
that
conversation
is
because,
as
the
schools
look
to
make
a
decision
on
high
schools,
secondary
seats,
Thursday
and
begin
discussion
about
how
many
seats
and
where
that
may
impact,
what
scenarios
potentially
for
utilization
across
the
street,
and
so
how,
if
any
discussion
has
been
had,
would
be
helpful.
So.
F
I'd
say
probably
the
way
that
they
would
connect
the
most
is
through
the
transportation
in
terms
of
how
many
trips
are
generated
and
scenario
C
actually
would
be
on
the
Bucks
site
would
be
fairly
low
impact.
There
would
be
almost
no,
it
would
everything,
but
everything
is
fairly
quiet,
not
too
many
trips.
So
if
we
could
coordinate
those
studies,
that
would
be
ideal,
and
we
did
recommend
that,
in
terms
of
the
construction,
phasing
and
I
I
can't
answer
that
right.
E
E
School
bus
or
heavy
maintenance
vehicle
parking
becomes
an
issue
at
that
point
in
the
county.
It
may
benefit
us
collectively
to
maximize
the
site
by
doing
some
type
of
renovation
or
construction
that
allows
for
more
aesthetic
parking,
so
vehicles
aren't
visibly
seen
from
the
street.
You
talked
about
safety
and
things
like
that.
There
is
a
garage
there.
We
I
mean
that
site
has
a
lot
of
potential
depending
on
how
far
we
want
to
invest,
and
so,
as
we
and
I
notice
will
be
next
steps.
E
F
F
Space
for
I
think
in
face
there
will
be
adjustments
and
I
think,
but
I
think
that
it
would
probably
be
a
lot
of
those
uses
would
be
fairly
compatible
because
they
don't
generate
a
lot
of
vehicles.
A
lot
of
the
storages
inside
they're,
fairly
quiet
and
so,
and
we've
included
a
lot
of
pedestrian
paths
if
possible.
So
we
can
get
the
community
through
the
site,
so
I,
just
yeah
and
I.
Think.
E
What
we
will
do
is
when
we
get
to
next
steps,
and
we
start
talking-
we
can
play
out
potentially
how,
because
I'm
you,
apparently
that
far
down
the
run,
I
think
for
the
county
in
the
schools.
The
question
is:
how
do
we
maximize
the
site
where
maybe
we
do
something
on
the
book
site
that
we
would
have
done
on
the
school
side,
which
offers
swapping
of
services
back
and
forth
since
they'll
be
construction
to
the
whole
neighborhood?
You
want
to
maximize
the
time
that
people's
neighborhood
with
dump
trucks
right
got.
A
O
O
So
that's
my
that's
my
major
my
major
issue
and
otherwise
I'm
fine
with
things.
The
only
other
thing
to
consider
is
that
the
Office
of
Emergency
Management,
it's
my
understanding,
can
go
just
about
anywhere
easily
and
there's
some
other
things
that
can't
just
go
about
anywhere
easily.
It
might
go
here
so
I'm
a
little
leery
of
taking
some
of
this
great
space
that
might
be
fairly
specialized
in
using
it
for
something
that
can
go
anywhere.
So
that
was
my
only
other
copy
up.
Thank.
I
Certainly
fine,
as
well
with
with
studying
both
buck
and
Carl
and
spring
C,
with
with
the
footnote
for
Carl
and
spring,
see
that
you
know
I,
don't
know
that
that
one
site
can
sustain
both
APs
and
an
art
bus
parking
at
the
same
time,
but
another
question
on
the
karlon
spring
site.
Regardless
of
the
scenarios
we're
talking
about
here-
and
that
is,
you
know
on
one
hand
we're
saying
with
respect
to
the
Bucks
site
that
we
want
to
reuse
and
repurpose,
at
least
in
the
short
term,
existing
structures,
but
on
the
karlon
spring
site.
I.
I
Don't
think
anybody
is
suggesting
that
there's
any
way
that
we
can
practically
repurpose
or
reuse
the
Virginia
hospital
Center
site.
It
is.
Is
that
correct?
Okay
thanks,
miss
free
already.
So
so
my
question
is
there.
At
the
same
time,
there
are
a
lot
of
important
uses
right
now
on
that
VHC
site.
You've
got
everything
from
an
eyeglass
exchange
to
an
emergency
care
center,
a
pediatric
care
center,
a
crisis
call
center
and
child
care,
and
we
realized
that
there's
a
mandate
that
the
hospital
is
going
to
have
to
find
a
new
emergency
care
center
somewhere.
I
In
South
in
South
Arlington,
but
what
what
considerations
did
Jay
give
to
to
the
timing
and
ultimate
move
out
for
VHC?
And
of
course
we
haven't
taken
the
site
yet
so,
if
there's
anything
that
could
be
said
there,
but
either
by
Jay,
FAC
or
the
manager
as
to
you
know
the
practical
considerations,
if
we
do
go
forward
with
the
VHC
site,
what
happens
to
those
uses?
Okay,.
G
O
C
What
is
going
to
come
before
the
county
board
in
July
under
the
option?
Agreement
of
the
Virginia
hospital
center
is
you'll
be
asked,
given
that
the
way
the
option
agreement
is
structured
and
Virginia,
Hospital
Center
has
received
their
certificate
of
public
need.
You'll
be
asked
to
weigh
in
on
the
question
of
whether
you're
interested
in
swapping
the
property
at
Edison
for
the
property
down
in
Carlin
Springs.
The
actual
Virginia
Hospital
Center
then
is
going
through
a
process
where
they've
submitted
a
will
submit
a
site
plan
for
consideration.
C
So
that
would
be
the
time
at
which
the
actual
swap
itself
would
be
consummated,
and
that
would
be
the
earliest
that
the
county
would
actually
get
position,
a
possession
of
the
property
in
June
2018.
The
reason
one
of
the
reasons
why,
in
the
option
agreement
Virginia
hospital
Center
asks
for
that
head,
the
the
the
lead
time
on
the
notice
is
so
that
they
have
a
year
to
try
to
go
through
the
process
of
relocating
some
of
those
things
they
have
there.
H
Sure
I'm
the
county
managers
point
they're,
given
that
we're
going
through
the
CIP
process
in
2018
and
I
know
we
tend
to
adopt
it
sometime
in
June.
I
know
that
this
might
be
a
site
that
we
would
want
to
be
looking
at
as
part
of
our
CIP
in
the
spring.
So
when
you
say
June
is
that
gonna
fit
with
with
our
thinking
and
planning.
On
that
point
you
said
June,
2018,
I,
think
right.
I
said.
C
A
On
it,
so
what
what
I'm,
actually
seeing
in
front
of
us
and
again
Terry
fax
works,
been
great?
Is
that
what's
driving
a
lot
of
this?
Is
that
buck
site
C,
which
I
think
I'm
hearing
generally
both
Jay
FAC
likes
it
the
board?
What
I'm
here
around
the
table?
People
like
it
because
of
its
lower
cost?
It's
really
something!
That's
you're
using
a
lot
of
the
existing
facilities
as
much
of
investment,
they
may
still
need
investment,
obviously
flexibility
and
adaptability
to
meet
some
needs.
A
So
it
strikes
me
that
the
direction
we're
giving
is
to
pursue
C
for
both
of
them,
and
then
the
question
is
whether
we
want
to
also
throw
in
Karlin
Springs
a
as
well
and
then
I
would
add
to
that.
The
I'll
go
back
to
the
bus
parking
in
Shirlington
because
it
strikes
me
that
nobody
is
saying
they
have.
What
they
are
think
is
a
long-term
sustainable
place
for
the
bus
parking.
A
The
manager
has
identified
Shirlington
as
the
optimal
location,
and
it
strikes
me
that
we
should
be
both
directing
the
manager
to
further
investigate
that
question
and
there
may
be
a
caveat
or
a
footnote
which
miss
Garvey
put
out
there.
Is
you
can't
yet
fully
remove
the
Ark
lend
option
from
the
buck
site
until
you
have
a
longer
term
solution
to
the
bus
parking?
A
B
J,
just
speaking
on
behalf
of
the
board,
we
support
the
scenarios,
particularly
C,
which
you've
pointed
out,
as
well
as
a
that
include
the
possible
school
facilities
use
in
this
field
space.
We
support
the
J
FAQ
recommendations
that
the
County
purchased
the
sites
and
that
we
would
really
like
staff
to
begin
to
work
with
ApS
staff
to
thoroughly
study
both
the
Buchan
VHC
properties
for
school
facility
and
obviously
your
needs
as
well.
So
that's
we've.
We've
come
to
that
conclusion
as
well.
Yeah.
E
I
John
I'm
sorry
miss
Linda.
The
only
supplement
I
would
make
to
that
is
to
keep
in
mind
what
Ms
talento
said
and
that
I
think
that
it's
imperative
that,
before
you
know,
we
got
to
think
about
the
timing
of
this,
but
but
a
traffic
analysis
and
an
entire
traffic
analysis
has
got
to
be
done
earlier
rather
than
later
for
both
sites,
but
especially
for
Carlin
Springs,
because
I
think
that's
the
most
traffic
challenged
of
the
two
sites.
I
was.
E
I
wanted
to
ask
our
superintendent
or
the
facilities
folks,
who
were
liaison
to
just
provide
feedback
on
their
participation
in
this,
so
that
folks
have
a
chance
to
hear
from
the
school
staff
who
actually
were
involved
in
a
process,
and
we
have
that
communication,
but
because
County
staff
is
a
lot
larger
resource
wise
in
schools.
The
perception
was
somehow
we
weren't
fully
engaged
so
I
don't
know
if,
especially
with
the
school
bus
parking
in
those
scenarios,
if
that
could
be
addressed
from
school
participants,
I
know.
Zach
was
involved
in
that.
D
I'll
just
share
that
Zach
Lonard
was
our
liaison
to
J
FAC
and
worked
very
closely.
I
also
know
that
other
staff,
long
with
assistant
superintendent,
John
Chadwick
and
at
least
as
Dingell,
were
also
connected
with
that.
We
have
also
dedicated
a
position
in
the
past
year's
budget,
specifically
for
J
fact.
My
encouragement,
I
think,
is
that
while
I
recognize
there
are
transitions
that
are
being
proposed,
I
would
ask
that
we
look
beyond
the
bus,
parking
and
I
think
that's
been
identified
here.
A
Okay,
okay,
we're
gonna
move
on
the
other
two
bullets
under
four
by
the
way
are:
should
we
do
a
space
utilization
study
of
the
trade
center
and
should
J
FAC
review
the
county
staff
assessment
of
bus
parking
options
and
I
think
we
I
think
on
both
of
those
everybody's
good
right.
The
space
utilization
study
as
I
understand
it
from
J
fact,
is
not
to
do
something
that
would
be
done,
quick,
not
recommending
something
in
the
short-term
that
might
influence
the
use
of
the
buck
or
Carlin
spring
sites,
but
sort
of
another
way
of
saying:
hey.
A
F
A
I'm,
ok,
with
doing
that,
I
mean
I.
Think
it's
a
really
logical
thing
to
do.
I
mean
it
is
where
we
put
a
lot
of
things.
So
my
only
question
is
how
fast
we
do
it
or
do
we
put
it
off
and
so
to
have
that
conversation
with
a
little
more
discussion
in
a
broader
context
of
everything
else
that
we're
talking
about
doing
is
fine
with
me
at
this
point,
I
think
everybody
is
saying
that
it
makes
sense
to
do
it.
It's
just
we
don't
know
what
time
the
last
one
is.
A
Just
it's
really
a
direction
to
staff
as
well,
but
it's
it's
allowing
J
effect
to
be
briefed
and
get
a
full
update
on
the
discussion
about
bus
parking
options
in
the
county
outside
the
county
as
well.
So
now
can
we
move
on
discussion
and
direction,
2j
fact
and
those
giving
some
ideas
of
the
things
we'd
like
them
to
work
on
into
the
future
and
I.
Think
there's
quite
a
nice
list
of
things.
N
So
actually
I'm
going
back
to
Katie's
comment
and
do
we
have
a
sense
from
the
JFX
leadership
about
your
bandwidth,
I
mean:
can
you
assess
sites
for
school
needs
and
also
do
review
the
county
staff
assessment
of
bus
parking
options
and
also
you
know
everything
else?
That's
gonna
come
up
in
the
next
20
minutes.
F
Also,
how
we
set
up
the
subcommittee's
we
if
we
could
bring
in
outside
help
from
we.
Our
Charter
does
say
that
we
can
bring
in
folks
from
the
schools
FAQ
or
we
can
bring
in.
So
we
can
probably
increase
our
capacity
and
in
that
way,
we'd
have
to
take
it
back
and
think
about
it.
But
I
think
that
there's
ways
that
we
can
speak.
A
F
B
That
is
a
very
high
priority
for
us,
and
we
really
like
that
to
happen
together
with
the
county
facilities
needs.
We
want
to
make
sure,
because
part
of
your
charge
is
to
look
at
the
assessing
the
needs
and
looking
at
forecasts
and
projections
and
really
having
a
common
language
that
we
can
share
about
our
actual
numbers
of
students
and
numbers
of
schools
that
we'll
need.
We
want
to
do
that
with
you.
B
Do
that,
together
with
our
staff
and
the
county
staff,
as
well
as
the
work
of
your
committee,
and
if
we
think
it's
really
critical,
that
in
every
single
site
or
location,
we
look
at
that
as
mr.
Vyse
dad
and
Miss
salento
has
said
that
we
have
to
look
now
at
impact
studies
in
every
neighborhood
regarding
streets,
sidewalks,
traffic,
pedestrian
safety,
and
we
would
really
like
to
get
some
recommendations
by
the
by
the
2019.
B
If
that's
at
all
possible,
because
at
that
point
we
really
have
to
start
to
build
our
next
CIP
that
we'll
need
to
find
locations
for
those
next
schools,
and
we
know
that
it
will
take
us
longer
because
we
will
need
to
go
through
a
community
process
as
well
as
our
own
building
process.
So
we
just
want
to
build
in
enough
time
to
do
that.
So
that
would
be
our
request.
Mr.
O
So
I
like
this
idea
too,
as
you
do
this,
are
you
sure
that
when
you
look
at
both
county
and
school
needs
that
the
needs
that
we're
gonna
be
doing
work
the
same
way
in
10
or
20
years?
That
we've
been
doing
it
for
the
last
50
and
and
I?
And
that's
something
that
I
think
Jay
fat
could
be
really
helpful
with
I'm?
Not
sure
you
can.
You
can
seek
out
that
information.
You
can't
decide
but
I'm,
you
know
I,
imagine
I'll
open
it.
Up
to
my
yeah
I
mean
what
I
mean
is
I.
O
You
know
we
look
at
all
times
different
ways
of
delivering
our
services
differently.
I'm,
not
sure
how
we
might
do
them
differently,
but
we
might
be
with
Ottoman
like,
for
example,
the
the
street
lights.
You
know,
they're
gonna
start
to
tell
us
when
they're
out
and
what
they
need.
Maybe
they'll
be
less
need
for
lay
down
things,
because
they'll
they'll
like
send
the
signal
to
Amazon
and
they'll,
fly
it
in
by
drone
and
put
it
in
place.
O
I,
don't
know,
but
I
think
there
may
be,
that
sort
of
and
I
think
some
thought
needs
to
be
given
that
so
that
we
don't
sort
of
plan
fight
the
last
war
and
it
seems
to
me
an
education,
particularly.
There
are
a
lot
of
changes
that
the
our
school
system
has
been
doing
some
things
sort
of
differently,
but
it
may
get
if
it
goes
to
scale.
O
It
really
could
change,
possibly
how
buildings
are
sited
or
what
is
needed
in
the
buildings,
and
it
seems
to
me
that's
something
that
J
facts,
I'm
thinking
that
de-fat
could
do
to
us,
rather
than
task
them
to
go
forward
and
plan
to
do
things
in
the
next
20
years.
The
way
we've
been
doing
it
for
last
50
I,
don't
think
that's
as
useful
as
asking
them
to
do
some
thinking
about
how
you
need.
F
G
F
A
Then
I
think
thinking
through
that
and
how
you
might
operationalize
it
and
and
think
through
it
I,
don't
I'm,
not
questioning
whether
is
there's
value
in
doing
that.
I,
don't
know
where
it's
done
if
it's
inside
J
FAC,
if
it's
somewhere
else
and
shared
but
I,
think
some
more
thinking
about
that
is
fine.
A
What
about
the
issue
of
preparing
for
the
CIP
next
year?
What
do
you
see
as
your
responsibilities
in
terms
of
the
charge
to
review
input,
provide
input,
etc?
And
then
the
other
one
is
I
think
Nancy
just
mentioned:
did
the
the
demographics
and
the
numbers
to
build
on
the
community
facility
study
and
actually
do
an
update
that
F
can
provide
numbers
and
that
the
best
projections
we
know
projections
are
only
projections
but
the
best
projections
that
you
can
as
we
get
into
the
next
CIP.
So
you
want
to
comment
on
that.
A
I
I
Commission
was
a
recommendation
that
we
do
a
cost-benefit
analysis
or
economic
impact
statement
on
site
plan
developments,
and
so
we
looked
at
that
our
staff
looked
at
that
and
then
our
county
attorney
issued
a
memo.
Saying
wait
a
minute.
We
really
can't
do
that
for
certain
reasons
and
that's
a
confidential
memo,
I'm
hoping
that,
ultimately
we're
going
to
be
getting
getting
to
the
point
where
you
can
see
that
memo
as
well
and
the
community
can
see
that
memo
as
to
the
parent
obstacles
were
facing
in
doing
a
site-specific
cost-benefit
analysis.
I
And
if
we
can't
do
a
site-specific
cost-benefit
analysis,
maybe
we
can
do
it
on
a
periodic
basis,
but
I
think
that
we
need
to
be
able
to
do
more
on
our
side
so
that
you
folks
can
anticipate
better
where
this
school
growth
is
occurring
and
and
and
why
it's
occurring
and
how
we
can
manage
that
growth
and
we're
going
to
also
have
to
start
thinking
about.
Okay,
you
know:
do
we
up
zone?
I
Do
we
change
the
general
land
use
plan
for
ever-increasing
density
and
there
there
are
going
to
be
sites
and
perfectly
good
reasons
to
do
it,
but
I
think
we
need
to
have.
We
really
need
to
come
to
grips
with
how
we're
growing
as
a
community,
where
we're
growing
when
we're
growing
and
under
what
criteria
we're
growing
and
what
are
we
getting
in
return.
N
John
kind
of
said,
the
substance
of
what
I
wanted
to
say
may
be
in
different
words,
but
again
I
wanted
to
use
the
word
urgency.
You
know
from
ApS
his
point
of
view
again
because
of
the
rising
enrollment
curve
as
we're
looking
at
next
steps
for
long
term
planning.
I
think
we
got
to
keep
this
in
mind
that
that
we
are
being
driven
by
an
urgent
need.
You
know
based
on
its
enrollment
growth
and
have
to
weigh
that
against
I
know
we
need
certain
county
facilities,
but
that
urgency
thing
is
particularly
important
for
us
right.
A
I'm
I
go
to
Katie.
The
one
thing
I
will
say
is
that
that
part
of
what
je
FAC
will
do
and
with
the
demographers
and
all
its
really
helped
us
all
get
a
handle
on
what
that
is,
and
I
say
that,
because
you
know
we
all
getting,
you
know
mail
and
we've
gotten
mail
and
the
numbers
cited
in
that
mail.
You
know
of
40,000
kids
by
2035
is
just
not
accurate
and
nobody
believes
it's
accurate,
but
somehow
it's
a
perception
of
reality.
A
J
Just
wanted
to
stay
on
the
on
the
topic
of
the
long-range
planning
that
I
remain
tremendously
interested
in
that,
and
you
know,
have
had
some
great
conversations
with
our
counterparts
on
the
school
board
about
it
and
wanted
to
add
I.
Think
one
of
the
things
that
could
be
most
helpful.
What's
really
been
sort
of
a
a
stumbling
block.
I
think
in
our
conversations
is
trying
to
define
short,
mid
and
long
term.
You
know
we've
I've
used
the
term.
Sometimes
inside
the
CIP
versus
outside
the
CIAP,
you
know
mr.
J
Voltz
I'm
talking
about
urgent
right,
they're
sort
of
that,
since
there
are
one
or
two
I
think
maybe
one
after
Thursday
left
unsighted
facilities
needs
within
the
school
CIP,
but
maybe
that's
the
most
urgent,
but
they're,
certainly
pressing
long
range
up
to
2040
needs.
You
know
on
our
side
for
the
the
county
facilities
and
our
manager
referenced
them.
J
You
know
the
that
likely
to
be
adopted,
open
spaces
up
master
plan
calling
for
ten
acres
right
in
the
same
time
horizon
as
the
seven
new
schools,
the
the
nearly
23,000
committed,
affordable
units
that
are
part
of
our
adopted
policy
vision
and
that's
sort
of
in
that
same
time
horizon
it's
it's
hard
to
articulate,
sometimes
in
those
conversations
well,
what's
midterm.
What's
long
term,
this
feels
urgent.
H
H
A
H
However,
it
is
also
the
case
in
in
talking
about
the
urgency
that
we
are
projecting
and
I
think
you
know.
We've
looked
at
how
our
numbers
reconcile
with
the
County
estimate
that
40,000
was
a
County
estimate
of
kids
and
then
our
projections-
and
we
do
have
you
know
even
in
the
10
year
time
horizon.
You
know
we're
looking
at
over
a
30
about
33,000
and,
as
mr.
Goldstein
has
pointed
out,
that
never
does
continue
to
go
up
in
terms
of
our
seat
needs.
So
the
question
of
urgency,
in
my
opinion,
is
exactly
what
Jay
FAC.
H
H
We
have
a
zero
to
ten
year
and
a
ten
year
beyond
list
of
needs,
and
if
we
can
only
do
some
of
them,
how
do
we
choose
and
my
understanding
is
that's
exactly
what
we're
charging
this
Commission
of
citizens
who
are
all
at-large
to
help
us
understand
and
to
determine
that
urgency.
They
may
say
it's
all
buses.
They
may
say
you
know
a
lot
of
schools,
but
that's
I
think
we
should
trust
them
to
make
that
judgment
for
us,
and
you
know
and
then
bring
us
that
recommendation
as
I
really
appreciate.
Mr.
H
Vyse
stats
comment
that
that
it
may
mean
slowing
down
things.
It
could
mean
slowing
down
things
on
either
side
we
haven't
heard
yet
what
their
recommendation
is
on
that.
But
I
do
hope
that
we'll
all
be
very
open
to
hearing
from
our
citizen
group
on
to
what
and
how
that
urgency
balances
out
across
the
different
needs.
L
Thank
you,
mister
pizzette,
so
you
know:
I
I
want
to
just
express
that
the
urgency
that
they
were
hearing
expressed
from
our
school
board,
colleagues
I,
don't
take
lightly.
Obviously
we
want
to
make
sure
that
every
child
who
is
a
student
at
Arlington,
Public
Schools,
has
access
to
a
great
quality
education
of
which
facilities
is
a
part
of
it.
So
there's
absolutely
no
question
about
it,
as
we
think
about
marrying
the
best
capacities
that
the
wonderful
Jae
FAC
has
with
what
is
sensible.
Moving
forward.
L
I
think
there
are
a
couple
of
approaches
just
to
throw
out
there
and
I'm
not
saying
that
anyone
is
not
doing
it,
but
I
think
it.
It
bears
reiterating.
We
can
treat
this
urgency
as
an
ad
hoc
exercise
to
just
look
at
what
we
have
on
our
current
portfolio
and
what
we're
thinking
about
acquiring,
and
that
is
one
way
to
think
about
it.
L
I
think
there's
a
better
way
which
incorporates
looking
at
future
projections
looking
at
our
goals
for
socio-economic
diversity
in
schools,
looking
at
our
existing
transportation
network
and
trying
to
figure
out
where
exactly
we
want
our
schools
to
be,
even
if
it's
currently
not
on
a
site
that
we
control-
or
that
is
part
of
J
fax
purview,
because
we
have
not
talked
a
lot
about.
Even
though
it's
hard
in
a
community
like
Arlington,
we
can
acquire
property.
We've
we've
done
it,
and
it's
not
to
say
that.
You
know
that's
what
we
are
absolutely
going
to
do.
L
But
it
is
an
option,
and
that
should
be
an
option
that
we
consider
if
it's
in
the
best
interests
of
larger
goals
than
just
simply
more
seats
and
I
want
to
make
sure.
That's
really
a
part
of
the
conversation,
because,
as
we
think
about
long
term
needs,
I
want
to
make
sure
that
where
we
put
school
facilities
and
county
facilities
make
sense
and
that
we
just
don't
have
a
patch
of
you
know
a
hand
that
somebody
else
dealt
us
moving
forward.
L
I
think
it
really
makes
sense
to
be
very
intentional
about
getting
the
schools
where
we
need
them
the
county
facilities,
where
we
need
them.
In
some
cases
it's
not
gonna
be
possible
and
we're
gonna
have
to
default
to.
How
do
we
call
locate
on
something
that
we
already
have?
That's,
okay,
but
I
hope
you
just
don't
limit
ourselves
to
that
from
the
outset.
M
M
So
when
we
look
at
our
CIP
right
now,
it
says
that
in
2025
are
expected,
enrollment
is
31,000
students,
and
so,
however,
we
looked
at
our
CIP,
we
have
two
built
in
six
years
and
so
I
just
want
to
reiterate
in
the
karlon
spring
site
if
a
traffic
study
and
that
impact
and
any
infrastructure
that
you
may
have
to
support
for
that
community
from
whenever
you
do
that,
we're
gonna
need
six
years
to
start
building
just
to
start
the
process
to
get
it
into
our
CIP.
Then
we
do
our
CIP
every
two
years.
M
So
when
foster
urgency
is
20
years
down
the
line,
we're
all
ready.
That's
you
know.
When
we
talk
about
20
years,
that's
not
working
with
the
timeframe
that
we
are
preliminary
seen
right
now,
and
so
that's
I
just
wanted
to
just
realize
the
stress
of
that
that
I
totally
agree
with
I
would
love
a
way
to
pick
the
sites
and
work
with
the
community
and
work
with.
M
You
know
tools
that
we
have
to
figure
out
where
we
want
to
put
county
facilities
in
schools,
but
unfortunately,
right
now,
I
don't
know
if
we
have
that
luxury
for
what
we're
foreseen
in
the
immediate
future.
What
it
takes
us
as
our
process
six
years
to
put
something
forth
and
we
are
doing
everything
we
can
to
be
efficient
but
engage
the
community
be
responsible.
M
Make
sure
that
we're
providing
every
every
student
that
walks
through
doors
a
seat
so
I
just
wanted
to
remind
you
of
that,
and
maybe
we
need
to
in
our
leadership
meetings,
have
more
information
on
our
processes
so
that
you
can
support
us
and
then
we
can
support
you
and
support
our
engagement
moving
forward
as
we
look
at
growing
our
community,
both
on
the
county
and
school
site.
Thank
you
very.
A
Nice,
okay,
I
think
I'm
gonna.
Did
you
have
anything
you
want
to
add
here?
Okay,
let
me
just
make
a
comment
at
the
end
that
the
direction
I
think
we
laid
out
a
couple
things,
some
of
them
sorting
your
ongoing
work
around
the
CIP
coming
up.
We
heard
a
lot
of
discussion
around
the
the
numbers
and
the
that
clarifying
updating
the
the
numbers
in
the
need.
A
The
framework,
as
far
as
the
long-term
quote,
long-term
work,
I
think
sitting
down
as
you've
said
with
planners
to
help
design.
What
that
looks
like
that
will
be
useful
to
all
of
us
and
to
me
that
I
don't
know
how
many
months
that
will
take
but
create
that
framework.
That
then
gives
us
all
some
greater
comfort
and
ability
to
know
what
that
work
plan
essentially
looks.
Like
we've
heard
about
the
somebody
mentioned,
the
short
term,
mid
term
long
term,
I
think
there's.
A
There
are
a
lot
of
words
that
go
out
here
and
what
what
is
short
term
to
some
and
mid
term
and
long
term.
We
probably
don't
all
agree
with
I
know
what
I
might
say,
but
I.
Think
of
the
CIP
that
exists
is
mid
term
I
know
we
both
have
a
CIP
I
mean
in
the
school
CIP
was
design
a
year
ago
to
meet
the
school
needs
for
ten
years.
Right,
so
is
the
mid
term
is
maybe
that
CIP
then
there's
long
term
is
beyond
that.
It's
not
in
the
CIP.
A
The
only
other
thing
I'll
throw
in
because
we
got
into
the
discussion
of
whose
role
is.
What
and
the
I
have
a
slightly
different
interpretation
of
Jay,
fax
role,
which
maybe
we
need
to
clarify
I,
don't
see,
Jay,
fax
role
as
making
the
decisions
about
the
prioritization.
That
is
the
county
board's
role.
Jay
FAC
is
assessing
analyzing,
giving
recommendations.
The
school
board
is
identifying
your
needs
or
your
prior
and
then
bringing
that
that
would
help
inform
the
county
board's
decision.
Hopefully,
nirvana
is
we're
all
in
agreement.
A
Everything
sort
of
sinks
together,
but
the
reality
is
there
are
times
sometimes
different
roles,
because
we
have.
We
just
bear
that
responsibility
for
a
very
large
portfolio
of
things,
schools.
The
good
news
is,
we
all
have
the
same
kind
of
commitment
to
public
education,
as
proven
by
our
incredible
schools.
That
said,
we
have
a
lot
of
other
needs
that
require
balance,
and
my
guess
is
we'll
all
work
it
out
if
there
is
nothing
more
incredibly
useful,
incredibly
informative,
I'm,
the
only
one
that
hasn't.
Thank
you.
So
thank
you.