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From YouTube: County Board Work Session with the County Manager - Fire Station #8 and Long Bridge Park
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A
A
We
went
into
a
closed
session
this
afternoon
and
so
I
will
make
this
motion
I
move
that
the
members
of
the
County
Board
certify
that,
at
the
gist
concluded
closed
session.
Only
public
business
matters
lawfully
exempted
from
open
meeting
requirements
under
Chapter
37
title
2
point
2
of
the
Code
of
Virginia
and
to
only
such
public
business
matters
as
were
identified
in
the
motion
by
which
the
closed
meeting
was
convened.
We're
heard,
discussed
or
considered
by
the
board
so
second
seconded
by
Miss
crystal
and
you
need
a
roll
call
vote.
I
believe.
A
That
should
cover
it.
Thank
you
very
much.
Now
we
are
embarking
on
a
work
session
where
we
have
two
items
on
the
agenda
tonight.
The
first
is
our
fire
station
number
8,
which
is
a
discussion
about
the
manager,
will
lead
for
us
on
the
scope
for
replacement
here
the
objective
of
this
meeting.
There
are
a
number
of
things
to
bring
us
all
up
to
date,
but
the
operative
question
is
about
the
consideration
of
colocation
of
services.
Whether
or
not
the
board
is
interested
in
pursuing
anything
or
not
at
this
point
in
time,
so
mr.
A
C
You
mr.
chairman,
and
as
you
pointed
out,
there
have
been
several
several
years
of
conversation,
some
very
long
conversations
and
a
lot
of
effort
on
the
part
of
the
community,
but
was
decided
that
fire
station
eight
would
remain
in
the
halls.
Hill
Community
Lord's
had
a
long
and
storied
history
and
we
I'm
here
tonight
to
walk
through
some
of
the
issues
that
we've
explored
about
potential
other
uses,
along
with
the
fire
station
and
I'd
like
to
stay
very
clearly.
C
That
is
my
recommendation
that
we
move
ahead
with
the
fire
station
and
there
be
no
additional
uses
added
to
the
structure
itself.
There's
a
time
later,
on
a
few
years
from
now
where
we
can
talk
about
potential
potentially
uses
for
one
of
the
houses
on
the
site,
but
Myra,
as
I
said,
my
recommendation
is
to
move
ahead
fire
station
8
is
a
substandard
facility.
C
We've
waited
many
years
to
get
to
this
point
and
I
urge
the
board
to
move
ahead
so
I'm
gonna
turn
it
over
to
to
June
Locker
and
George
May
who've
done
some
really
excellent
work.
Coming
up
with
some
concept,
designs
and
they'll
walk
you
through
some
of
the
considerations
that
led
to
my
conclusion
this
evening.
Thank
you.
Thank.
A
D
Good
evening
so
tonight,
we'd
like
to
go
over
as
part
of
the
agenda
the
objectives
for
the
work
session,
a
review
of
the
current
fire
station
eight
program,
along
with
the
budget
and
schedule
what
we're
considering
as
the
baseline
scope
and
then
the
and
then
go
into
the
discussion
of
considerations
and
impacts
to
colocation.
And
then
the
next
steps.
Our
objectives.
D
Our
objectives
for
the
work
session
are
to
evaluate
what
building
up
features
could
be
added
without
impacting
the
fire
station
operations
and
reviewing
the
impacts
to
the
additional.
If
additional
stories
were
to
be
added
to
the
building,
including
neighborhood
budget
and
schedule
impacts,
and
then
the
obtaining
direction
on
how
to
proceed
with
a
project
in
the
design
of
scope.
A.
D
Decision
to
rebuild
and
retain
services
at
the
existing
site
led
to
the
purchase
of
three
adjacent
properties
for
the
temporary
station.
The
current
program
was
thought
to
be
executed
in
phases,
and
the
area
shown
in
pink
would
be
developed
first,
as
very
fire
stations
and
apparatus
be
site,
and
then
the
green
would
be
followed
by
the
green
area,
which
would
be
the
permanent
station.
Once
the
permanent
fire
station
was
completed,
we
would
decommission
the
temporary
station
and
construct
a
parking
lot
in
fuel
island
in
the
area
in
the
pink.
D
D
Budget
in
the
FY
17
to
the
current
CIP
17
through
26,
has
a
budget
of
15
million.
Approximately
15
million
dollars
and
the
current
budget
is
forecasted
to
be
about
21
million,
and
this
reflects
an
increase
of
reflects
the
decision
to
maintain
the
temporary
station
on
site.
And
so
we
would
be
requesting
the
additional
funding
and
the
upcoming
CIP
cycle.
D
However,
adding
two
additional
floors
would
require
a
rezoning
of
the
current
fire
station
site.
Also
non
fired,
non
fired,
departmental
uses
would
require
separate
access
with
two
stair
towers
and
an
elevator.
The
largest
impact
is
part,
is
the
parking
requirement
and
we
would
need
an
additional
thirty
four
to
one
hundred
and
twenty-two
spaces
or
approximately
point
four
to
one
one
acre
of
additional
area
to
accommodate
the
parking
requirement
substantially.
D
D
This
slide
is
a
summary
of
what
the
impacts
and
considerations
would
be
from
by
adding
additional
floors.
There's
three
major
impacts
to
adding
additional
floors
and
that's
to
the
neighborhood
cost
and
time
we
would
need
to
acquire
land
for
additional
parking,
which
means
acquiring
two
to
six
parcels
adjacent
to
the
to
the
current
fire
station.
There
would
be
added
land
and
construction
costs
totaling
between
9.1
to
225
million
dollars,
which
is
almost
double
the
cost
of
the
current
project.
D
There
were
also
be
an
increase
in
construction
time,
approximately
six
to
nine
months,
and
if,
if
we
were
to
defer
that
construction,
but
just
do
a
heavy
up,
we
would
also
need
to
find
a
site
and
funds
for
a
construction
of
a
temporary
station.
If
we
were
to
defer
the
the
additional
floors,
I
think
they're
just
floors
immediately.
D
This
is
this
slide
is
showing
the
land
that
would
be
needed
for
parking
in
the
on
the
left.
This
shows,
if
we
were
to
add
one
story,
we
would
need
to
acquire
a
commercial
business
as
well
as
one
residential
property
to
the
east.
If
we
were
to
build
three
stories,
it
would
require
an
acquisition
of
commercial
commercial
business
as
well
as
five
residences.
D
So
as
again
to
reiterate
what
the
manager
had
had
said,
we
are
not
recommending
adding
additional
floors
due
to
the
significant
impact
to
the
neighborhood
budget
and
project
schedule.
This
has
a
major
impact
to
the
neighbors
due
to
the
land
acquisition
for
parking.
Also,
the
structural
massing
is
inconsistent
with
adjacent
buildings,
with
the
exception
of
Langston,
Community
Center
and
an
updated
version
of
this
area
will
be,
will
determine
the
through
the
Lee
Highway
planning
study.
D
We
are
requesting
board
guidance
to
proceed
with
the
baseline
standalone
station
project
scope
and
we
also
the
manager
will
be
providing
guidance
for
repurposing
of
the
house
before
of
the
the
house,
which
is
being
used
for
the
temporary
station
before
the
completion
of
the
permanent
station.
That
concludes
the
presentation.
We
also
have
staff
from
the
fire
department.
Chief
Rasheeda
and
chief
Manzano
are
here
as
well
as
Kelly
brown
from
the
CH
PD
here
to
answer
any
further
questions.
A
Colleagues
I.
Let
me
ask
you
if
you
have
particular
questions,
I
think
I
think
it's
fair
to
say
that
in
teeing
up
any
conversation
that
the
issue
arisen
a
lot
through
the
community
facility
study
process,
the
community
facility
study,
which
was
finished
in
15
the
end
of
2015,
basically
highlighted
for
all
of
us,
an
enormous
body
of
work
that
focused
everyone
on
the
reality
that
our
greatest
challenge,
our
most
limited
resource,
is
land
and
challenged
us
to
raise
questions.
A
Each
time
we
establish
a
public
facility
to
ensure
that
we
are
maximizing,
or
at
least
thinking
through
how
we
might
maximize
the
use
of
that
land
surface,
whether
that
is
through
underground
parking
versus
a
surface
parking
lot,
whether
that
is
Co,
locating
services,
adding
some
services
that
may
or
should
be.
It
could
be
needed
to
a
site
when
considering
and
investing
in
that
site
again
with
the
presumption
that
land
is
at
a
premium
and
we
have
a
lot
of
needs
and
they
are
only
growing
as
we
grow
in
population.
A
So
obviously
not
every
site
is
every
site
is
different.
Let's
put
it
that
way.
Every
site
is
different:
every
set
has
different
needs
and
part
of
this
work
session.
I
think
the
manager
has
recognized
is
that
he
needed
to
do
some
work
and
assess
whether
or
not
he
would
recommend
that
other
needs
be
considered
on
this
site.
A
He
is
clearly
recommending
that
it
not
be
the
case,
but
now
is
the
opportunity
for
board
members,
as
there
are
differences
of
you
in
the
community,
clearly
to
ask
questions
about
the
presentation
we've
just
heard
and
satisfy
ourselves
that
the
managers
recommendation
is
something
we
agree
with
so
with
that
I'll
just
open
it
up
for
questions.
Mr.
Vyse,
that
did
you
of
the
first
thanks.
F
Just
a
couple
of
questions:
Thank
You
mr.
chairman,
so
I
I,
just
I,
appreciate
your
recommendation
and
I'm
inclined
to
be
aligned
with
it,
but
I
do
have
a
couple
of
questions,
and
that
is
most,
if
not
all,
of
our
fire
stations
also
serve
as
a
safehouse.
They
also
tend
to
have
some
a
modest
sized
community
room
for
community
rooms
for
community
meetings.
Would
you
envision
those
functions
to
also
reside
at
a
new
fire
station
number?
Eight,
the
second,
my
second
question,
while
you're
mulling,
that
one
is:
how
do
we?
F
C
C
The
only
thing
I
will
say
now
is
I,
wouldn't
be
very
careful
to
say
that
I
have
figured
out
the
best
way
to
recognize
the
history
of
what's
going
on
as
we
as
we
make
designs
in
the
new
structure.
But
there
are
ways-
and
there
are
members
of
the
community-
that
we
absolutely
would
want
to
include
and
get
their
recommendations
on
it
right
now,
we're
where
we're
at
the
conceptual
stage
and
what
you've
seen
are
essentially
bubble
diagrams
when
we
move.
If
we
get
the
head
nod
from
the
board,
we
move
into
the
next
phase.
C
At
that
point,
we
would
want
to
sit
down
with
members
of
the
community
and
absolutely
get
their
input
about.
What's
the
best
way
to
recognize,
there's
the
building
itself
and
there's
the
land
that
surrounds
it,
I'm
not
going
to
presume
to
know
what
the
answer
is.
But
the
answer
has
to
be
something
that
the
community
perceives
only
perceives
and
is
significant.
That
really
calls
out
and
recognizes
the
absolute
sacrifices
this
community
made
and
the
history.
C
The
proud
history
of
the
that
the
original
you
know
fire
service
that
was
there
that
was
segregated
with
that
I'm
gonna,
you
know,
chief
Manzano
can
talk
a
little
bit
about
you
know
way
we
set
up
fire
houses
and
so
there's
the
safe
room
concept
and
mr.
Locher
wants
to
add
anything
that
you
pressed
that
button.
Yes,.
G
Oh,
thank
you
and
I
would
echo
the
manager's
comments
both
and
that
I
would
ask
that
we
would
do
proceed
with
the
building.
I
also
would
say
that
I
most
definitely
agree
that
it's
imperative
that
we
involve
the
community
that
we
have
thus
far
and
I.
Think
it's
a
it's
important
to
maintain
that
legacy.
That
being
said,
as
it
relates
to
the
design
and
layout,
the
this
safe
room
is
on
the
property.
Mr.
biostat,
there
is
a
safe
room.
F
That'll
that'll
be
kept
for
certain,
then
and
and
I
would
just
search
from
my
own
perspective
that
a
modest-sized
community
room
might
might
also
be
appropriate.
I
mean
Langston
could
get
pretty
booked,
as
all
of
us
know,
from
our
open
door.
Monday's
there
on
a
regular
basis.
It's
a
very
well-used
community
center.
H
F
I
C
J
You
like
to
just
associate
myself
with
with
mr.
Vyse,
dad
generally
I
think
the
recommendation
is
sound
and
this
is
not
to
quibble,
but
just
to
further
stress
test
the
the
thinking
behind
it.
So
an
additional
an
additional
floor.
The
presumption
is
that
there
would
be
office
uses
that
would
require
certain
level
of
parking
in
this
case
thirty
four
spaces.
Would
it
be
possible,
if
that
were,
as
mr.
Vyse
had
suggested,
an
adjunct
to
the
community
space
that's
available
at
Langston?
J
Would
it
not
be
possible
to
think
about
spaces
at
Langston
as
being
sufficient
for
an
annex
use
across
the
street
at
the
fire
station?
If
and
give
me
your
thoughts
on
that,
but
then,
secondarily,
secondarily,
as
we
think
about
the
house
next
door,
if
that
were,
for
example,
made
available
to
expand
the
parking
that
is
envisioned
those
twelve
spaces,
how
close
would
that
get
you
to
any
required
parking
needs
or
zoning
ordinance?
Well,.
H
I'll
try
an
answer
in
two
phases:
if
we
took
a
floor
of
10,000
square
feet
and
classified
it
as
assembly
or
recreation,
the
parking
requirements
would
be
pretty
much
the
same,
but
perhaps
a
bit
more
because
of
the
number
of
people
you
can
fit
in
an
assembly
area.
The
parking
across
the
street
at
Langston
has
already
fully
used
for
that
building.
How
we
would
address
parking
for
uses
in
the
house,
I
think
we'll
have
to
study.
There
are
twelve
spaces
for
the
fire
department,
staff
and
I'll.
G
D
A
H
A
K
A
L
E
I
think
this
has
been
really
helpful,
actually
just
in
sort
of
showing
our
work.
I
think
you
know
the
question
before
us
is:
should
the
site
plan
and
design
include
colocation
and
I
think
the
answer
we're
all
feeling
is
yes,
it
should,
and
the
real
question
is:
does
the
board
agree
that
it
is
not
feasible
within
the
constraints
of
this
site,
but
so
do
that
and
I
think
staff
has
done
a
good
job
here,
I
think
of
explaining
all
of
the
ways
in
which
it
doesn't
feel
feasible.
E
The
only
one
I
haven't
seen
and
I'm
wondering
if
you
could
give
us
just
an
order
of
magnitude
of
costs.
Often
the
way
we
you
know
meet
parking
demands
and
co-locate
facilities
is
looking
underground.
That
parking.
Can
you
tell
us
roughly
what
that
you
know
order
of
magnitude?
What
that
would
cost
here
Ord
it
would
cost
relative
to
what
we're
you
know.
Spending
on
the
station
itself
well,.
H
Well,
there
is
the
purple
is
the
finish
slot
for
the
12
spaces,
and
if
you
look
and
Jun
answered
the
question
a
little
bit
ago,
if
you
move
it
over
to
double
it
or
the
green
box
is
then
you
might
get
20
or
30,
but
that
footprint
is
very
small
to
look
at
layered
underground
parking.
You'd
only
have
20
cars
to
layer.
E
One
other
question:
just
in
summarizing
the
project
you
mentioned,
that
the
additional
costs,
and
so
I
just
wanted
to
make
sure
the
gap
between
the
15
million
dollars
in
the
CIP
and
the
new
price
of
21
million
dollars.
I
think
miss
lager.
You
mentioned,
that
is.
The
difference
is
because
of
maintaining
the
temporary
fire
station.
So
is
it
correct,
then,
that
fires
that
temporary
fire
station
will
be
six
million
dollars?
E
C
So
you
know
some
of
those
things
incorporated
in
the
difference
between
the
15
and
the
21
million
are
funds
that
have
been
expended,
I
think
already
for
the
acquisition
of
those
three
houses,
the
action
that
the
board's
already
authorized.
I
think
this
is
meant
to
reflect
that
when
the
CIP
was
adopted
over
a
year
ago.
At
that
point,
we
hadn't
finalized
this
concept
of
purchasing
those
three
houses
to
house
the
temporary
fire
station.
So.
E
It's
the
land
acquisition
cost,
as
well
as
the
actual
cost
of
constructing
the
station.
That
sounds
more
right.
Okay,
that's
it
for
me
from
questions.
I
will
just
associate
myself
with
I
know.
My
colleagues
have
mentioned
an
interest
in
revisiting
the
question
of
the
best
highest
and
best
uses
for
that
house
and
I
know
one
of
the
other
things.
E
We've
talked
about
a
need
that
is
particularly
cute
that
our
CSB
and
DHS
staff
are
often
raising
to
our
attention
is
the
need
for
group
homes
and
facilities
like
that,
which
is
a
we
don't
often
have
uses
for
for
single-family
homes,
but
that
could
be
one.
So
it
sounds
like
we'll
have
an
opportunity
to
discuss
that
in
at
least
two
years
time,
but
I
hope
we
will
have
further
conversation.
I
think
it's
interested
I.
J
H
H
A
Am
hearing
a
significant
amount
of
interest
in
the
future
discussion
around
the
use
of
that
home
or
and/or
the
property?
At
this
point,
there's
no
nothing
more.
We
really
need
to
talk
about
as
far
as
that.
Building
goes
because
it's
there
for
a
while,
probably
at
least
six
months
to
a
year
before
everything
is
concluded,
would
be
a
good
time
to
resurface
or
put
some
attention
to
what
those
options
might
be,
so
they
get
a
full
vetting
and
people
have
a
sense
of
what's
impending
I'm,
also
not
hearing
at
this
point.
C
I'm
sorry,
mr.
chairman
I
just
wanted
to
mention
one
thing
which
wasn't
included
in
the
presentation
and
I
appreciate
where
you're
going,
which
is
that
we
intend-
and
it
won't
be
for
a
while-
probably
until
we
have
we're
into
the
design
work
to
go
to
the
public
facilities
review
committee,
the
P,
FRC
and
there'll
be
an
opportunity
at
that
point.
For
us
to
have
more
of
a
conversation
through
the
PRC
in
the
community
and
also
I
will
come
out
with
something
not
right
away,
but
soon
and
I
see.
A
Well,
recognizing
that
the
public
facilities
review
committee
has
excuse
me
some
citizen
members
that
get
appointed
for
each
particular
facility-
that's
limited,
but
it
is
a
voice.
And
then
there
are
some
regular
Commission
Advisory
Commission
representatives,
Planning
Commission
chairs.
The
group,
so
I
mean
it's
a
standard
part
of
our
protocol
to
help
make
sure
that
all
the
voices
are
heard
and
providing
some
input
into
the
end
to
the
design
of
the
facility.
So
that
will
kick
off
and
where
are
we
with
that?
As
a
reminder
with
the
creation
of
the
PFR
C?
For
this.
D
D
So
the
during
the,
if
you
see
the
the
permanent
station
design
and
permitting
those
purple
diamonds,
include
the
PFR,
see
review
meetings,
and
so
we
expect
our
first
one
to
be
in
the
last
quarter
of
2018.
So
next
year
about
a
year
from
now,
and
then
you
know
we'll
go
back
to
them
periodically
until
we
get
that
approval.
D
E
A
J
If
I'm
an
it,
just
may
think
it
might
be
useful
to
think
about.
You
know
having
a
conversation
with
the
halls:
Hill
High
View,
Park
Civic
Association,
before
that,
before
we
get
too
far
into
the
design
process
to
to
see
what
thoughts
might
inform
our
work
just
so
that
we
don't
proceed
down
a
path
which
later
makes
it
a
little
bit
more
challenging
to
revisit
I'm,
not
conceiving
of
anything,
but
it's
just
more
prudent
to
start
earlier.
Absolutely
I.
Think.
A
F
You
as
we
move
forward
on
this
mr.
manager,
we
in
in
recent
months,
were
we've
explored,
we've
implemented
and
we're
continuing
to
explore.
Different
procurement
processes
and
I
was
just
wondering
if
you've,
given
any
consideration
to
what
procurement
process
might
be
most
appropriate
here.
I
think.
C
F
D
F
D
A
The
second
half
of
our
work
session
tonight
is
on
the
Long
Bridge
Park,
and
this
this
one's
been
around
even
a
little
longer
than
the
last
one
I
think
and
who
is
sitting
at
the
table.
Today
we
have
some
of
your
staff.
We
have.
The
chair
of
the
lung
I
forget
what
it's
called
in
this
iteration
Longbridge.
Oh,
that
was
what
I
was
gonna,
say:
I
thought
it
might
have
been
yeah
the
Long
Bridge
Park
Advisory
Committee
Chair
Toby
Smith
vice-chair
Carrie
Johnson.
We
have
the
Department
of
Parks
and
Recreation
Director
Jane
Rudolph.
A
Again,
this
is
a
process
been
underway,
for
quite
some
time
has
gone
backwards
and
forwards,
and
we
really
reshape
this
substantially.
This
County
Board
weighed
in
and
redesigned
the
process
and
asked
the
Advisory,
Committee
and
and
others
to
significantly
to
scale
this
back
and
work
within
the
available
funds,
and
we've
been
engaged
and
sort
of
briefed
in
and
supported
this
along
the
way.
A
C
C
M
A
M
Some
of
what
we'll
cover
is
I'm
sure
familiar
ground,
but
we'll
talk
a
little
about
the
history
of
the
project
and
particularly
the
engagement
that
took
place
in
2015
to
2016,
and
then
I'd
like
to
talk
a
little
about
the
procurement
process
that
we're
using
to
implement
the
project
and
that
will
be
focused
in
the
two
are
really
three
main
areas
and
that'll
be
January
of
this
year
through
September
this
year
and
then
September
through
November.
And
then
what
happens
after
that
November
time
period
and
then
at
the
end.
M
This
is
again
very
familiar
ground
that
I'm
going
to
talk
about,
but
a
little
bit
of
a
refresher
on
the
opportunity
that
the
Longbridge
part
presents
to
us,
particularly
to
its
key
location
on
the
north
end
of
Crystal,
City,
West
of
national
airport
east
of
the
Pentagon,
and
then
with
all
the
great
views
that
has
of
the
capital
city,
starting
in
2001.
The
board
appointed
the
North
tract
task
force
and
which
has
evolved
into
several
different
iterations,
and
it
is
now
currently
the
Longbridge
Park
Advisory
Committee,
which
Toby
and
Carrie
are
here
tonight.
M
M
What
you
are
viewing
on
this
particular
image
is
the
conclusion.
After
all,
the
land,
a
variety
of
land
deals
that
took
place
in
the
community
work
to
look
at
the
master
plan
in
2013,
the
county
board,
adopted
they
revised
master
plan.
It
also
included
a
set
of
design
guidelines
to
guide
how
the
park
would
develop
over
time.
Part
of
that
design
guidelines.
Those
design
guidelines
was
that
the
park
was
developed
in
four
phases,
with
phase
three
split
into
two
separate
projects.
M
The
first
phase
I
think
people
know
in
Noel,
and
that
is
what
you
see
is
the
park
today.
It's
about
17
acres
of
parkland.
It's
the
three
athletic
fields,
the
half-mile
of
Esplanade
rain,
gardens,
picnic
lawns
and
all
the
places
that
support
that
it
also
included
their
environmental
remediation
and
the
renovation
of
the
street.
Long
bridge
drive
phase
to
the
subject
of
tonight's
meeting
and
we'll
get
into
much
much
more
detail.
M
The
outdoor
park
included
the
remediation,
the
Esplanade,
the
rain,
gardens
the
event
lawns
and
all
the
things
that
are
outlined
in
this
image
phase
3a
is
the
is
the
first
part
of
Phase
three,
which
was
split
into
two
phases
by
the
board.
The
board
asked
to
advance
the
children's
play
areas
on
the
sixth
Street
end
of
the
project
and
those
you
can
see.
The
couple
of
images
here
was
about
a
total
of
Nilla
total
project
value
of
about
1
million
dollars
in
an
opened
in
July
of
2016.
M
The
second
phase
of
that
project
is
the
addition
of
a
fourth
field
that
would
be
constructed
over
on
a
structure
over
the
parking
lot.
The
current
parking
lot
and
just
to
note
that
an
adopted
FY,
2017,
ft
fi
2026
CIP
years
23
and
24
indicate
two
and
a
half
million
dollars
for
planning
and
design.
To
start
that
particular
project
phase
for
the
dr.
master
plan
is
the
expansion
of
the
Clark
health
and
fitness
facility.
M
This
added
on
structured
parking
facility,
it
added
a
multiple
activity
center,
which
is
essentially
well
as
a
combination
of
health
and
fitness
space
into
our
track
jogging
track.
Climbing
wall
on
community
rooms
I
do
want
to
mention
that
the
Lumbridge
Park
Advisory
Committee
in
the
work
session
that
we
had
with
you
in
April
2016,
made
recommendations
on
this
phase
and
its
potential
to
be
built
elsewhere
in
the
county,
in
essence,
freeing
up
some
of
the
design
aspects
of
phase
2
of
the
project.
M
This
brings
us
probably
to
the
project's
most
recent
history,
and
this
is
really
related
to
development
of
phase
2.
And
what
brings
us
here
this
evening
in
we
had
progressed
all
the
things
that
I
described
a
phase
2
to
complete
design
and
bid
that
project
out
for
construction
in
the
fall
of
2013.
Those
bids
were
received
and
they
were
much
higher
than
the
projected
cost
we
had
estimated.
M
We
really
did
an
extensive
outreach,
and
that
was
based
on
four
main
ways
of
collecting
some
data
beyond
all
of
the
communications
that
we
were
having
we
utilized
an
online
survey,
which
I'll
just
mention,
is
not
a
statistically
valid
survey
but
had
almost
2,000
participants.
It
was
one
of
our
largest.
We
had
as
part
of
the
public
spaces
master
plan
update.
We
did
a
statistically
valid
survey.
We
also
created
a
unique
game
where
we
gave
participants
$100
and
made
them
have
some
choices
about
what
they
could
include
or
not
for
that
value.
That.
N
M
Were
fancy
cards
so
they
had
to
read.
Participants
had
a
factor
and
things
like
revenue
and
how
the
choices
they
made
had
ramifications.
We
also
went
out
to
16
different
events
where
we
went
to
the
community
at
farmer's
markets.
The
County
Fair
places
where
we
knew
we
had
a
variety
of
random
people
walking
through
the
door
and
gave
folks
three
dots
to
express
their
priorities
for
the
project
and
the
choice
to
say
we
don't
believe
the
project
should
move
forward.
M
I
would
like
to
take
a
moment
to
focus
on
the
work
that
was
done
as
part
of
the
pops
study,
and
so
this
is
some
of
the
statistics
that
were
gathered
from
that.
What
it
revealed
was
that
70
percent
of
households
believed
it
was
important
to
develop
a
facility
at
Longbridge
Park
of
that
participants
in
the
survey.
55
percent
responded
that
the
pool
was
a
number
one
of
their
three
top
most
important
facilities
to
their
household.
It
also
included.
40%
of
those
petitions
believe
health
and
fitness
was
important
from
that.
M
We
also
had
a
question
that
talked
about
the
one
they
had
the
most
need
for,
and
63
percent
of
the
respondents
indicated
a
pool
was
and
fifty-nine
percent
indicated.
Health
and
fitness
spaces
were
their
most
important
of
the
priorities
for
Longbridge
Park.
Specifically,
this
is
a
question
just
on
Long
Bridge
Park
residents
had
indicated
that
the
50-meter
pool
health
of
fitness
and
leisure
pool
where
their
top
three
priorities
for
a
facility.
M
Taking
all
that
information
from
that
survey,
all
in
all
the
sort
of
pop
up
information
that
we
took,
the
lumbridge
Park
Advisory
Committee,
put
together
a
report
that
they
brought
to
the
board
at
a
work
session
in
April
2016,
and
the
takeaway
is
from
that
report
mainly
were
that
the
interested
large
park
remains
strong
and
perhaps
it
grown.
Since
the
initial
planning
work,
the
highest
programming
priorities
were
the
ones
that
met
the
community's
largest
needs.
M
Excuse
me
extravagant
architecture
and,
of
course,
that
we
know
from
our
current
use
that
the
use
of
lumbridge
Park
is
extremely
high,
based
on
the
lumbridge
park,
vegetarians
rapport
and
staff
findings.
Looking
at
some
of
our
own
research
and
understanding
of
how
our
users
use
our
programs,
the
county
manager
made
several
recommendations
to
alter
the
building
program.
The
real
focus
was
on
community
needs,
while
bringing
the
project
and
budget
without
using
any
new
funds.
M
In
order
to
do
this,
it
was
to
reduce
this
program,
the
size
of
the
facility,
and
that
was
done
through
reducing
the
pool
the
facility
from
3
bodies
of
water
to
two,
and
that
was
we
were
able
to
do
that
by
combining
a
teaching
pool
and
a
family
pool
into
one
body
of
water
and
keeping
a
50
meter
pool.
We
were
also
important
to
provide
a
health
and
fitness
space
and
then
to
support
those
spaces
with
a
host
of
other
smaller
areas
to
make
a
complete
facility.
M
The
result
was
the
reduction
in
size
of
that
building
and
a
reduction
in
the
capital
costs.
The
other
key
recommendation
was
to
complete
the
ten
half
acres
of
the
park
in
July
of
2016.
The
board
endorsed
the
manager's
recommendation
when
to
approve
the
FY
17
and
26
CIP,
the
CIT
laid
out
a
project
with
a
base
building
of
core
community
components
and
the
park
completion
of
the
park.
Scuse
me
for
46
million
to
fifty
point.
Five
million
dollar
heart
construction
cost
range.
M
If
the
other
items
that
we
that
we,
the
community
had
identified,
could
be
included
in
the
value
of
that
between
46
and
fifty
point,
five
million
dollars.
That
would
be
acceptable,
but
it
would
not
be
if
they
added
additional
cost
to
the
facility
and
the
ones
identified
in
the
CIP
to
be
looked
at
to
be
included
were
advanced
energy
options.
Third
people
tenured
IO
tower
and
additional
seating
for
the
facility.
M
Typically,
the
CIP
does
not
just
show
the
Hart
construction
cost,
it
shows
a
total
project
value,
and
so
there
are
other
things
that
make
up
a
project
such
as
construction,
contingency
and
soft
costs.
So
your
design
costs
EUR
FF&E
or
your
furniture,
fixtures
and
equipment
permits
and
project
management.
M
M
Third
column
shows
if
you
were
to
look
at
a
medium
participation
level.
That'd,
be
your
net
tax
support
would
be
reduced
about
five
hundred
thousand
dollars
a
year
in
that
type
of
participation
for
comparison.
In
2016
we
looked
at
the
operating
cost
for
our
own
Eaton
mill
and
estimated
that
your
net
tax
support
was
about
1.3
million
dollars
a
year
and
those
were
just
for
the
DPR
expenses.
M
So,
based
on
the
board's
inclusion
of
the
project
and
CIP
and
that
work
session,
the
county
manners
manager
has
selected
design,
build
process
to
proceed
with
this
particular
project
and
has
been
moving.
The
project
forward
for,
if
you're,
not
familiar
a
design,
build
process
is
one
where
the
architect
and
the
contractor
or
the
Builder
are
hired.
M
M
So,
in
order
to
make
this
happen,
we
have
been
working
since
January
2017
to
move
forward
and
at
the
beginning
of
the
year
excuse
me,
a
selection
advisory
committee
was
created.
That
committee
is
comprised
of
six
staff
from
across
the
various
departments
in
the
in
the
county
and
one
community
representative
from
Crystal
City
in
May,
we
issued
a
request
for
qualifications
for
design-build
firms.
M
The
request
for
qualifications
is
a
very
simple,
straightforward
evaluation
of
the
firms
and
I'm
going
to
use
firms
when
I
say
that
I
mean
both
the
architectural
firm
and
the
constructor
and
using
that
to
shorten
the
terminology
of
their
experience
for
this
type
of
project
and
some
of
the
things
we
asked
for,
for
example,
you
can
see
here
in
this
list,
as
have
you
designed
and
built
in
Aquatic
Center
over
50,000
square
feet
that
included
a
50
meter
pool.
Have
you
managed
design-build
projects
over
thirty-five
million
dollars?
M
Have
you
built
a
park
development
over
five
million
dollars
of
value
and
there's
there's
many
more
things,
but
this
is
sort
of
a
sampling
of
what
we're
looking
at
from
that
process,
five
firms
were
deemed
qualified
to
deliver.
The
project
based
on
their
their
experience
in
July
the
five
firms
invited
participate
in
requests
for
proposals.
M
That
is
a
request
to
describe
how
they
would
manage
the
project,
their
approach
to
quality
control,
safety
control,
their
vision
for
their
project
and
other
more
descriptive
type
qualifications,
and
so
in
early
August,
we
received
proposals
from
four
firms
and
we
were
at
the
selection
committee
of
evaluated
those
four
firms.
It
mid-august.
Those
firms
gave
oral
presentations,
which
the
committee
also
reviewed
and
then
in
late
August
for
those
firms
were
nebari,
invited
to
participate
in
the
concept
design,
development
phase.
M
So
as
I
development
excuse
me,
the
concept,
design
development
phase
is
what
we
are
currently
entering
to
now
and
will
take
us
through
November
and
I
want
to
begin
to
elaborate
a
little
bit
on
that.
During
this
phase,
the
firm's
we
paid
a
stipend,
a
$50,000
each
to
produce
a
park
and
building
concept.
At
this
time,
the
county
will
receive
from
each
firm
a
part
plan
a
set
of
renderings
of
the
park.
M
Starting
on
October
19th,
the
public
will
have
the
opportunity
to
provide
feedback
on
the
concepts
for
10
days
and
I'm.
Gonna
pause
just
for
a
moment
here
and
say:
I'm
gonna
come
back
to
this
public
feedback
portion
in
the
next
slide
and
can't
elaborate
and
more
depth.
But
I
want
to
build
a
kind
of
piece.
The
whole
sequencing
together
for
you.
M
So
after
the
10
days
are
up,
the
selection
advisory
community
will
go
back
and
based
on
the
written
proposal,
the
oral
interview,
the
review,
the
concepts
and
the
processing
of
the
feedback,
the
public
feedback
and
a
set
of
negotiations.
They
will
make
a
recommendation
to
the
purchasing
agent
for
a
particular
firm
to
move
forward.
M
The
county
manager
is
an
anticipated
will
make
a
recommendation
to
the
board
in
November
of
2017
to
to
ask
for
approval
to
award
a
contract
for
50,
more
54
million
dollars,
700,000
based
on
mainly
mainly
unaltered
concept
from
one
of
the
four
that
were
provided
in
early
October.
The
54
million
seven
hundred
thousand
dollar
is
comprised
of
fifty
million
dollars,
fifty
million
and
five
hundred
thousand
dollars
for
her
construction
costs
and
four
million.
M
Seven
hundred
thousand
dollars
for
design-
and
this
aligns
exactly
the
CIP
numbers
that
we
talked
about
in
the
earlier
slides
for
the
pub
for
the
week
of
public
feedback
or
the
ten
days
like
to
be
more
accurate.
We
will
begin
in
October
18th
in
this
room
here.
The
Long
Beach
Park
Advisory
Committee
in
the
public
facilities
review
community,
will
be
invited
to
come
in
and
receive
presentations
and
review
the
concepts
from
the
four
firms.
M
They
will
also
be
provided
an
opportunity
to
ask
more
questions
to
become
familiar
with
those
concepts
on
October
19th,
the
next
night
in
Crystal
City.
We
will
have
a
very
broadly
advertised
in
public
public
participation,
encouraged
presentation
of
those
four
concepts
and
those
in
the
folks
in
the
tents
will
have
the
opportunity
to
learn
more
about
that
and
ask
more
questions
on
these
particular
concepts,
also
beginning
on
the
19th
and
extending
into
October
29th.
M
All
these
concepts
will
be
online
and
the
public
will
be
asked
for
their
feedback,
and
then
it
will
also
be
available
to
view
in
the
courthouse
Plaza
lobby
of
this
building
on
the
monitors
downstairs
and
ask
and
offer
their
feedback.
All
of
this
will
be
used
by
the
selection
Advisory
Committee,
to
make
a
recommendation
for
a
contract.
I
do
want
to
know
and
I
think
it's
important
that
the
recommended
concept
will
not
be
altered
prior
to
the
board's
consideration
of
this
contract
in
November.
M
What
will
happen
is
pending
approval
of
that
contract.
The
chosen
firm
will
go
back
and
refine
their
concept
and
based
on
some
some
on
the
provided
feedback
from
the
community
and
polish,
their
concept
that
in
January
February
of
2018,
the
Longbridge
Park
advisory
community
and
the
public
facility
review
committee
will
be
able
to
be
able
to
review
over
several
meetings
and
provide
their
comments
at
that.
M
At
that
point
in
time,
we
expect
the
design
to
begin
in
January
and
to
end
last
through
December
of
2018,
and
then
construction
could
start
as
early
as
July
2018
and
complete
in
late
2020
or
early
21.
You'll
know
to
discrepancies
here
that
the
construction
may
start
before
the
end
of
the
design,
and
that's
one
of
the
advantages
of
a
design-build
process
is
that
you
can
begin
to
progress.
The
project,
while
other
parts
of
design
that
are
not
needed
to
the
end
of
the
project,
are
continuing.
M
O
Thanks
Eric,
so
I
have
to
be
honest,
it's
hard
for
me
to
say
I'm
pleased
to
be
back
here
again,
but
I
want
to
speak
and
I.
Think
I
speak
for
the
members
of
the
long
bridge,
Park
Advisory
Committee
in
and
Karie,
and
the
representatives
who
are
here
who
both
started
with
this
process,
when
we
did
the
master
planning
process,
Dave,
Thalia
and
at
Saks,
and
that
we
are
pleased
that
we
actually
think
we're
getting
close
to
actually
to
fulfilling
the
vision.
But
not
only
the
vision
and
I'll
talk
about
this.
O
Today,
as
Eric
said,
we
went
back
invalidated
that
so
I
just
want
to
talk
a
little
bit
about
the
design-build
process
that
you
just
heard
about,
because
this
is
something
our
committee
has
certainly
looked
at.
Having
been
I,
don't
want
to
say
a
victim
of
the
design-bid-build
process,
but
we
certainly
learned
some
lessons
from
that.
O
Where
we
came
in
and
as
again
Eric
said,
the
design
that
was
developed
when
it
went
out
to
bid
came
in
significantly
over
the
amount
of
money
that
had
been
allocated
and
approved
by
the
county
taxpayers
to
move
forward
with
this
project.
I
think
our
committee
feels
this
is
actually
a
very
smart
process.
Some
of
us
probably
wish
we
would
have
had
it
previously
and
and
that
it
has
some
definite
advantages
over
the
design-bid-build
process.
So
let
me
just
outline
those
from
our
perspective.
O
The
first
one
is
that
it
guarantees
that
no
more
money
will
be
able
to
be
spent
than
what
has
been
allocated
and
again
approved
by
taxpayers
at
least
no
more
taxpayer
money.
We've
always
said
if
we
can
get
outside
sponsorship
outside
support.
That
is
welcome,
so
I
think
that
makes
this
process
fiscally
responsible,
fiscally
smart
and
one
that
I
think
the
county
is
wise
to
be.
Pursuing
second
thing
is
that
Eric
showed
you
the
design
criteria
that
these
firms
have
to
abide
by,
and
there
will
be
questions
well.
O
Does
this
represent
and
reflect
the
Arlington
way
and
I
have
been
a
part
of
the
Arlington
way
in
this
process,
and
frankly,
the
process
we
ran
I
feel
was
one
of
the
best
community
processes
back
when
we
did
it
in
the
early
2000s
that
we've
run.
One
thing
I've
learned
is
that
the
longer
you
go,
people
forget
what
that
process
was,
and
you
have
to
remind
them.
So
those
design
criteria
reflect
a
lot
of
work
done
with
Arlington
citizens
to
find
out
what
the
needs
were.
O
So
I
say
that,
because
I
think
the
process
is
reflected
in
this
is
reflective
of
the
Erlangen
way
and
those
are
you
know
what
the
community
has
said.
It
really
wants
a
community
facility,
our
and
and
those
key
components
and
are
really
positive.
The
other
thing
I
want
to
say
in
terms
of
the
advantages,
besides
just
the
fact
that
it's
fiscally
responsible
and
and
you're
gonna
get
what
you
want
for
the
cost
you're
also
going
to
get
you've
got
the
community
involvement.
O
It
reflected
is
that
in
some
sense,
I
think
this
process
actually
increases
the
competition,
which
also
means
you
will
get
more,
because
what
we
have
said
is
there
are
things
we'd
like
to
add
if
you
can
put
them
into
the
design
and
if
you
put
those
in
the
design,
you're,
probably
going
to
have
a
better
chance
of
winning
this
competition?
So
some
of
the
things
that
we
had
to
forego
while
we
said
we
would
forego
if
we
couldn't
afford
it,
the
therapy
pool
which
still
has
strong
support.
O
Some
of
the
additional
you
know
possibility
of
diving
those
things.
This
will
give
them
a
chance
to
see
if
they
can
value
engineer
it
if
they
can
come
up
with
ways
to
put
those
in
in
creative
ways.
So
I
think
it
increases
creative
creativity,
while
still
ensuring
accountability
that
perhaps
the
last
time
we
just
didn't
have
so
those
are
at
least
our
view
of
the
process.
I
want
to
add
one
footnote,
because
there
has
always
been
a
question
and
I
know
some
of
you
probably
still
have
questions
about
operating
costs
and
I.
O
If
you
go
to
Fairfax,
they
charge
much
more,
and
it
is
everything
even
beyond
the
multi-purpose
recreation
facilities
is
a
fee
for
you
know,
and
they
work
on
a
fee
for
current
recovery.
So
part
of
the
question:
what
comes
to
cost
recovery?
Certainly
the
staff
will
make
recommendations,
but
it's
also
up
to
the
board.
So
I
just
want
to
remind
you
that
that
it
is
partially
a
decision
here
as
to
what
how
much
is
recovered.
O
But
I
also
want
to
remind
you
that
one
of
the
things
we've
always
said
about
this
facility
I
still
believe
it
is
very
true
and
we
have
not
done
it
in
Arlington
is
this:
is
a
multi-use
multi-purpose
facility
has
Fitness
with
aquatics
with
different
types
of
aquatic
needs
in
one
facility
which
increases
your
ability
to
recover
revenues
that
is
well
known
within
the
recreation?
You
know
community
that
if
you
want
to
make
money,
don't
just
have
a
local
neighborhood
community
center
those
serve
their
purpose.
O
O
So
we
don't
need
to
go
back
and
rehash
that
there
will
be
the
process
that
Eric
laid
out
and
I
think
that's
very
important
that
once
these
different
concepts
come
in,
the
community
gets
another
crack.
It's
some
input
but
I
think
what
I'm
excited
about
and
I
told
them
there
I
my
introduction
to
the
North
tract
actually
wasn't
in
2000
when
I,
when
I
got
roped
into
this
on
the
Park
and
Rec
Commission,
but
in
1989
or
90.
You
can't
remember
the
night
New
Year's
Eve,
my
car
was
towed.
O
I
had
to
go
pick
it
up
at
a
place
that
I
didn't
know
on
the
north
end
of
Crystal
City,
and
it
was
on
New
Year's
Eve
I
mean
I'm
from
a
bank
parking
lot
in
Alexandria.
So
I
am
very
pleased.
I
said
this
to
the
group
that
that
place,
that
I
didn't
really
hold
warm
fuzzy
feelings
for
the
design
and
the
work
we
put
in
when
I
saw
the
the
vision
and
what
was
laid
out
in
those
pictures
and
you
go
down
there
and
any
Saturday,
and
you
see
people
enjoying
it.
O
I
also
tell
people
that
when
we
started
my
son
was
four
years
old,
didn't
know
what
he
wanted
to
do.
I
told
you
know,
I
told
the
committee
we
kept
some
of
this
interest
groups
off
that
group
that
I,
don't
I,
don't
have
an
interest
in
what
goes
here.
I,
really
don't
my
son
is
four.
He
hasn't
figured
out
what
he
likes
now.
The
good
news
was
he
developed
an
interest
in
ice
hockey.
I
told
her
on
Carly
when
cap
Steele
was
going
through.
O
O
I
will
just
conclude
by
saying
it's
time
we
take
care
of
those
people
who
not
just
high
school
kids
who
want
to
swim,
but
we
have
seniors
my
son,
the
hockey
player,
learned
very
quickly
of
the
challenges
when
he
tore
his
ACL
will
play
in
junior
hockey
and
wanted
to
use
the
pool
in
Arlington
during
the
day
to
go
rehabilitate
himself
that
they're
not
open
during
the
day
and
he
had
to
go
somewhere
else.
I
hope
you
will
fulfill
this
need.
We've
identified
it
and
I'm
going
to
turn
things
to
Kerry.
N
None
of
us
were
right
and
I
think
what
keeps
emerging
as
we
talk
about
this
more,
is
a
growing
appreciation
in
various
and
increasing
parts
of
the
community
of
the
value
of
this
place
and
the
value
of
the
potential
of
this
project.
When
we
started
it
was
well
I
didn't
quite
get
there
as
soon
as
Toby
did,
but
back
in
the
early
90s
when
the
deal
was
first
made,
which
was
a
terribly
visionary
swap
before
TDRs
was
a
word.
You
know
kind
of
moving.
N
Until
all
of
a
sudden,
we
began
to
plan
this
park,
and
then
we
developed
a
park
and
now
people
who
used
to
say
where
they
know
exactly
how
to
get
to
Longbridge
Park
because
they
go
there
because
their
kids
play
there
or
they
play
there
or
they
walk
there.
Are
they?
Otherwise
they
go
to
listen
to
trains.
N
They
go
to
take
pictures
of
birds,
all
kinds
of
things
they
go
for
the
fourth
of
July,
so
it's
no
longer
out
of
the
way
for
a
large
part
of
the
community,
it's
central
to
a
lot
of
recreation,
opportunities
and
I.
Think
if
you
had
seen
the
meeting
with
the
the
teams,
you
would
have
been
impressed
by
the
comments
that
various
members
of
the
group
made,
because
not
these
are
a
lot
of
people.
Who've
been
with
this
for
quite
a
while,
but
the
the
themes
were
from
various
perspectives.
N
N
Think
there's
there's
a
great
sense
of
the
tremendous
range
of
opportunities
that
a
good
plan
will
will
realize.
I
think
there's
also
a
real
sense
that,
as
Toby
said,
a
whole
lot
of
community
engagement
has
already
been
done.
So
it's
not
like
we're,
starting
from
you
know,
just
a
mysterious
list
of.
What's
that,
an
inch
think
of
criteria
that
nobody
knows
what
they
are
except
staff,
because
people
in
the
community
remember
the
last
round
of
discussion
as
well
as
the
earlier
ones,
and
they
they
played
the
game.
They
had
the
theoretical
hundred
dollars.
N
They
put
dots
on
lists
at
the
fair
they.
They
know
what
the
elements
of
this
boiled
down
to.
They
know
the
emphasis
on
community
engagement
and
on
community
involvement
in
the
building.
You
know
that
its
primary
purpose
is
to
meet
community
needs
which
are
very
varied.
You
know
it's
the
high
school
swim
team
is
a
community
need
teaching
your
three-year-old
to
swim
is
another
one.
N
N
We
know
that
a
general
sense
of
what
this
is
going
to
be
is
already
out
there,
which
is
a
big
help,
because
it
will
make
it
much
more
possible
in
October
for
people
to
look
at
the
four
concepts
when
they
are
all
set
out
there
and
not
look
at
something
unfamiliar.
They
know
the
elements
they
just
don't
know
the
design.
N
They
don't
know
where
the
placement
of
the
building
might
be
in
these
various
plans,
but
they
know
generally
what's
going
to
be
in
it
and
what's
going
to
be
around
it,
so
that
in
that
sense,
I
think
the
long
discussion,
the
long
percolation
of
ideas
has
really
helped
us
I.
Think
the
the
other
point
that
we
all
tried
to
impress
on
these
four
teams
and
granted.
N
It
was
late
in
the
day
and
some
of
them
were
a
little
in
need
of
dinner,
but
was
how
the
significance
of
this
to
us
and
theoretically
to
them
National
Airport,
has
almost
24
million
people
both
passengers
a
year.
If
you,
this
is
all
rough
math,
but
if
you
figure
that
half
of
those
either
come
in
or
go
out,
upriver
that's
12
million
flights,
passenger
people
flights
over
that
site,
figure
of
half
of
them
are
sitting
on
the
south
side
of
the
plane.
N
N
A
A
Okay,
you
know
what
okay,
at
this
point,
I'll
turn
to
my
colleagues
to
see
what
the
question
is.
Really
you
have
there.
Obviously,
this
is
a
one
of
the
things
to
recognize
is
this
is
a
new
procurement
process
that
that
we're
working
through
and
I
would
associate
myself
with
Toby's
comments,
I
think
a
lot
of
us
that
have
been
through
the
trials
and
tribulations
of
this
kind
of
wish.
We
didn't
own
this
this.
A
E
And
yet
here
I
am
to
thrust
us
back
into
the
weeds,
because
one
of
the
things
that
I
want
to
make
sure
that
I
am
clearly
understanding
that
that
we
as
board
members,
are
clearly
understanding
that
any
community
member
is
paying
attention
or
clearly
understanding,
because
this
process
will
be
different
from
what
we
are
used
to
and
the
way
we
are
used
to
giving
feedback.
When
the
for
presentations
the
for
bids,
the
designs
are
presented
to
the
community
in
the
near
term.
E
When
we
ask
the
community
for
feedback,
we
are
saying
correct,
pick
your
favorite
and
help
us
choose
who
wins
right.
We
are
not
saying
tell
us
what
you
like
from
designs,
one
two
three
and
four,
and
they
will
be
blended
and
designed
the
way
we
just,
for
example,
did
with
a
long
lebron
community
center,
where
it
was
tell
us
what
elements
of
designs
1,
2,
3,
&
4.
M
What
I
can
help
maybe
clarify
that
with
is.
You
are
correct
in
that,
when
the
we
asked
the
public
for
feedback,
we
will
be
asked
them
for
their
prep
towards
the
four-on-the-floor
concepts
and
to
give
us
feedback,
and
basically
that
will
be
an
open-ended
type
of
question
to
please
provide
your
feedback.
All
of
that
information
will
be
taken
and
provided
to
the
selection
Advisory
Committee,
and
that
such
an
advisory
committee
is
going
to
consider
that
as
part
of
their
recommendation
to
the
manager,
eventually
on
which
firm
would
be
the
chosen
firm
going
forward.
M
And
please
remember
that
that
recommendation
is
based
on
multiple
parts.
It's
on
the
valuation
of
the
written
proposal,
its
evaluation
of
the
oral
proposal,
the
committees
themselves,
evaluation
of
the
concepts
and
then
the
feedback
that
is
provided
from
the
community,
and
so
the
way
that
feedback
will
be
used
is
to
inform
those
members
to
make
the
best
recommendation.
That
is
reflective
of
the
community's
opinion.
But
there
are
many
things
that
go
into
that
decision
making
process
and
so.
E
If
folks
give
open-ended
feedback,
for
example,
I
like
one
option,
one
or
bitter
one
best
but
I
would
like
to
see
a
wing
of
the
project
move
hypothetically
by
50
feet:
hey
wait!
We've
done
with
that
recently.
What
can
people
expect?
Dpr
the
board,
others
the
designers
to
do
the
bitter
to
do
with
that
piece
of
feedback,
so
not
just
I
like
one
wet
best,
but
here's
how
I'd
like
to
see
number
one
adjusted
so.
M
The
feedback
will
be
assembled
in
some
manner.
That's
digestible
by
a
selection,
Advisory
Committee.
There
will
be
a
negotiation
period
and
so
prior
to
the
recommendation,
and
so
there
will
be
certain
things
that
could
be
considered
as
part
of
the
for
consideration
to
alter
of
the
concept.
Now
that
won't
be
represented
prior
to
the
board's
adoption
or
approval.
Excuse
me
if
authorization
for
a
contract
when
we
come
to
the
post
procurement.
M
Excuse
me
the
post
adoption
refinement
of
the
policy
there'll
be
a
spectrum,
because
at
that
point
we
will
have
a
dollar
value
set,
and
so
any
changes
that
are
entertained
would
have
to
be
within
the
set
dollar
value,
and
so
that's
gonna,
very,
very
limit.
The
opportunity
to
change
make
major
changes
can.
A
P
Might
be
this
purchasing
agent
deal
so
to
explain,
maybe
with
some
more
precision
or
maybe
to
confuse
things
more
I,
don't
know,
but
I'll
try.
So
we
will
get
a
design
concept
from
these
firms
right
and
they
will.
They
will
have
given
us
as
much
as
they
can
from
the
criteria
we
asked
for,
though
they
will
have
added
through
their
creativity
and
expertise
as
many
of
the
features
we
wanted
and
then
they'll
have
their
design
ideas.
P
So
it
may
be
that
the
public,
like
somebody
else's
entrance
better
on
this
building
or
something
like
that,
but
the
price
they
give
us
is
fixed
and
the
package
of
things
that
are
included
in
that
price
is
what
they
deliver
to
us.
So
if
we
want
to
change
it
later,
we're
offsetting
something
right
now
it
may
be
that
the
thing
we
want
to
change
is
cheaper
right
and
so
there's
more
money
safe
than
something
else
can
be
done,
but
but
there
will
be
a
fixed
price
for
a
fixed
package
of
deliverable
and
any
changes.
P
There
there
is
a
small
window
before
the
board's
action,
but
it's
very
small.
They
would
not
be
based
on
this
schedule.
It
would
not
be
large
enough,
I,
don't
think
for
there
to
be
a
public
input,
rationalization
and
then
a
board
action
on
the
public
input
and
then
these
kinds
of
things
to
happen
right.
What
would
happen,
however,
because
we
were
at
conceptual
design,
is
as
we
progress
from
November,
ooh,
January
or
February.
There
will
be
ongoing
discussions
with
the
design-builder
to
finalize
the
details
and
the
features
of
the
building.
P
E
Important
takeaway
is
that
what
the
community
sees
and
what
the
board
votes
on
there
will
not
be
a
level
of
iteration
or
a
process
of
iteration
between
those
two
processes
and
I
just
wanted
to
make
that
very
clear,
because
that
is
not
traditionally
how
we've
acted
and
I
think
there
are
a
lot
of
very
good
reasons.
We're
doing
this.
This
way,
I
think
we
are
gonna,
have
a
fascinating
case
study
to
compare
this
to
how
we
did
love
a
run
at
the
end
of
the
of
the
the
game,
but
I.
I
Wanted
join
Miss
crystal
in
the
weeds
and
even
go
a
little
bit
further
down
in
the
weeds
which
is
listening
to
all
this,
and
perhaps
this
is
the
plan.
I
think
the
community
engagements
gonna
have
to
be.
You
know
we
have
handouts
and
things
like
when
people
come
in
and
they
ask
for
your
opinion.
I
think
we
need
at
least
a
really
good
one
pager
explaining
how
this
is
and
is
not
going
to
work
and
just
the
fact
that
we
have
to
go
around
here
and
we're.
I
You
know
I
think
we
pretty
much
understand
it,
but
to
get
it
down,
so
people
will
really
see
it.
I
think
that's
gonna
be
really
important.
It
probably
needs
to
be
on
the
way.
Maybe
even
you
do
a
little
video
thing
about
how
it's
gonna
work.
When
would
people
go
online
to
give
comments?
They
watch
this
little
video
because
we're
gonna
there
are
gonna,
be
a
lot
of
expectations
that
are
are
not
gonna,
be
met
by
this
and
I
think
people
come
along,
but
we'll
have
to
help
them.
A
F
You,
mr.
chairman,
so
just
a
couple
of
questions
and
mr.
Smith
and
Miss
Johnson.
Thanks
for
all
your
dedication
and
hard
work,
I
know
that
that
this
hasn't
been
easy,
so
I
want
to
ask
about
operating
costs
and
but
also
sponsorship,
ships
and
partnerships,
so
miss
Johnson,
you
or
Carrie
I'm
gonna
call
you
that
we've
known
each
other
for
30
years.
F
So
you
mentioned
it
with
your
ear
back
of
the
envelope
math,
how
many
eyes
in
airplanes
go
over
Longbridge
park
every
day
and
that
there
may
be
a
free
I
mean
we're
advertising
the
county.
What
about
those
advertisements
and
and
and
mr.
Schwartz
I
know
that
that
you
know
the
board
gave
direction
last
year
to
really
delve
into
the
opportunity
for
sponsorships
and
partnerships.
F
The
outcome
apparently
was
disappointing
and
I'm
just
wondering
what
what,
when
you
made
these
outreach
efforts
to
corporations
to
institutions
of
higher
learning
and
so
forth?
What
were
the
obstacles?
What
was
the
feedback?
You
were
getting
and
I'm
just
wondering
if
there
might
still
be
opportunities
to
either
revisit
or
explore
opportunities.
Yet
today,
thank.
C
C
We
couldn't
show
it
to
them,
but
we
really
wanted
them
to
sign
up,
and
that
was
met
with
some
I.
Think
caution,
not
not
outright
negativity.
I
would
say
that
at
this
point
our
best
opportunity
remains
I.
Think
once
we
get
through
this
part
of
the
process
is
and
I
think
it's
a
great
opportunity
based
on
what
Kerry
said
for
naming
opportunities,
which
are
you
know,
a
company
attaching
its
a
name
to
the
facility,
not
so
much
the
opportunity
for
an
outside
entity
to
say,
give
us
X
millions
of
dollars
so
that
they
could.
C
F
C
F
Okay,
I
hope
we
can
continue
to
pursue
that,
because
anything
that
would
help
hold
costs
down
would
certainly
be
greeted
favorably,
I
think
by
most
of
us.
My
second
question
operating
costs,
so
we
saw
the
slide
where
you're,
showing
a
range
of
about
a
million,
maybe
a
little
over
a
million
dollars.
I
think
it'd
be
very
helpful,
not
tonight,
perhaps,
but
in
terms
of
follow-up
documentation.
If
you
could
advise
us
what
sort
of
operating
revenue
assumptions
and
cost
assumptions
went
into
that
calculation
and
I'm,
just
just
remember
our
conversation
about
operating.
F
You
know
the
potential
op
that
operating
costs
of
lubber
run
community
son
or
a
brand
new
community
center
in
the
range
of
I
believe
you
said,
2.4
to
2.8
million
and
now
we're
talking
about
something
substantially
less
than
that
for
this
facility,
and
so
it
may
be
apples
and
oranges.
But
I
do
would
like
to
follow
up
on
that
and
then
just
as
a
footnote,
there
was
a
recent
media
story,
I
think
in
the
post,
in
Washington,
Business
Journal
and
now
in
Washingtonians,
about
a
private
sector
group,
the
st.
F
Q
I'll
take
a
stab
at
that,
so
we
had
actually
met
with
the
st.
James
group.
We
actually
met
with
him
with
miss
Garvey
about
a
year
ago
or
so,
and
there's
an
interesting
project
I
heard
about
their
20-mile
catchment
area,
although
I
have
to
say
driving
out
to
Springfield
on
during
rush
hour
traffic.
It
feels
a
lot
longer.
But
that
said,
it's
a
private
entity.
They
are
100%
revenue,
driven,
it's
a
huge,
huge
development.
It's
an
exciting
development.
Q
It's
gonna
have
the
50
meter
pool
it's
gonna
ice
rinks,
it's
gonna
have
soccer
fields,
it's
gonna
have
driving
ranges,
it's
gonna
have
a
whole
lot
of
stuff,
and
that
is
a
private
facility.
We
are
built.
We
are
going
to
build
a
community
pool,
and
so
while
there
might
be
opportunities
and
I
would
think
that
our
Latonia
is
may
get
benefit
from
going
out
there.
What
we
are
building
is
a
community
pool.
Will
we
be
offering
or
learn
swim
programs
hosting
the
swim
teams?
Q
Q
Do
we
think
we
could
lose
people
I
mean
if
somebody
was
gonna,
go
out
there
and
want
to
play
soccer
and
then
go
swimming
and
do
those
things
perhaps,
but
we
don't
think
the
demand
for
Arlington
that
we
have
seen
with
the
wait
lists
the
demand
that
we've
heard
for
people
who
won't
have
day
time
opportunities
in
our
pools.
It's
just
a
different
market
and
I
think
that,
in
our
view,
the
market
compare
these
two
very,
very
different
types
of
facilities,
yeah.
F
I
guess
I
guess
my
point
or
my
main
question
in
raising
this
is
that
is
that
I
understand
that
the
st.
James
complex
would
also
have
an
Olympic
size,
50
metre
pool
built
to
you,
know
national
swim
meet
and
Olympic
standards,
as
will
our
pool
so
there's
something
that
we
would
be
in
direct
competition
with
interest
in
terms
of
revenue
generation.
So.
Q
That,
perhaps
so,
I
can
let
Eric
speak
very
specifically
quickly
about
the
types
of
competition
that
we
can
host.
Here
as
we
reduced
our
footprint,
we
are
not
looking
to
be
hosts,
be
able
to
host
these
huge
sort
of
regional
pool
regional
meets
that
are
sort
of
going
up
and
down
the
coast.
These
are
really
gonna
be
meets
that
are
at
the
high
school
level
again
for
Arlington
teams
for
our
local
area.
I.
Q
Think,
as
we
were
saying,
a
lot
of
our
kids
are
going
out
to
spending
a
lot
of
time
in
Maryland
driving
down
to
other
parts
of
the
county,
the
region
to
try
to
get
to
their
meets,
but
that
ours
is
much
more
local
of
what
we'll
be
able
to
provide
and
then
also
our
revenue
assumptions.
As
we
will
I
know,
we
will
get
back
to
you,
but
we
haven't
fully
figured
out
how
many
meets
a
year.
We
are
looking
to
host
I.
Q
So
we
need
to
take
into
the
comparison
of
what
what's
the
right
balance
of
hosting
meets,
because
that
also
takes
away
a
community
benefit
on
a
weekend
to
use
the
pool
and
it's
a
different
and
you
lose
revenue
because
people
won't
be
using
the
leisure
pool
or
won't
be
using
the
50-meter
pool,
and
so
we
need
to
strike
a
good
balance
in
Arlington
of
what
it
is
the
community
wants
operationally
and
something
where
I
think
we're
gonna
figure
out,
as
this
is
under
construction.
It's
like
how
many
meets
a
year.
Q
Does
this
really
need
to
have
versus
making
sure
that
it's
open
to
the
public?
So
in
terms
of
that
I,
don't
think
we're
going
to
be
in
major
competition
with
this
facility,
any
more
than
we
might
be
with
some
the
other
pools
in
the
region
to
host
these
kind
of
meets
and
again,
I
think
it
would
be
a
great
opportunity
for
the
Arlington
teams
to
be
able
to
host
something
in
Arlington
I.
J
M
So
in
Arlington
we
break
ground
on
all
things.
All
sorts
of
things
and
terminology
is
one
of
them
in
the
pool
business
they're
classified
as
a
50-meter
pool
generally
by
the
size.
The
rectangular
pools
across
my
50
meter,
25
meter,
25
yard.
When
you
talk
about
the
other
bodies
of
water,
you
begin
to
talk
about
things
like
teaching
pools
and
that's
because
they're
shallower
they
could
be
regular
distances
and
they're
not
built
for
a
competitive.
M
How
fast
might
get
from
here
to
there
on
some
kind
of
measured
scale
generally
the
bodies
of
water
that
are
very
regular
shaped
and
they
have
things
like
water,
fountains
or
zero
depth
entry
that
goes
down
very
gradually
that
people
who
get
can
get
comfortable
in
water
who
don't
swim
where
children
can
play
an
explosion.
Those
are
generally
called
leisure
pools
is
the
term
of
art,
and
so,
if
you
talk
to
a
designer
on
aquatics
designer,
which
is
there's
a
there's,
a
whole
industry
around,
they
would
call
it
a
leisure
pool.
M
We
have
evolved
the
term
here
for
this
project,
a
family
pool,
because
it
really
gives
a
better
image
of
what
that
pool
was
about,
and
that
is
about
families
being
able
to
go
there
from
all
ages
and
be
able
to
participate
in
water
activities.
Who
may
not
be
comfortable
water
who
just
want
to
go
and
relax
and
play,
and
particularly
in
this
case,
because
we're
combining
it
with
up
to
four
lap
lanes
and
these
lap
lanes
are,
would
might
be
a
25-yard
size,
so
we've
created,
which
is
fairly
standard
in
the
industry.
M
You
could
see
them
in
other
state.
Many
other
states
where
you
have
a
leisure
pool
in
lap
pools,
and
so
we've
begun
to
call
that
a
family
pool,
and
so
that
really
is
that
the
same
body
of
water
into
a
leisure
and
family,
it
just
seems
it's.
We've
had
conversations
with
the
community,
particularly
on
the
Advisory
Committee.
That
was
more
of
a
common
understanding
by
using
family
pool,
and
particularly,
we
went
out
to
the
community
because
people
talked
about
I
want
to
take
my
family
there
and
do
things
in
this
body
of
water.
M
J
M
Lot
of
leisure
pools,
you
will
see
things
like
lazy
rivers,
slides
water,
fountains,
vortex
pools
is
actually
a
very
important
thing.
It
spins
water
with
current
and
a
lot
of
times
you
see
seniors
in
the
morning,
and
these
facilities
are
walking
backwards
in
the
vortex
pool
or
backwards
in
the
lazy
river,
and
it's
called
Coffee
Hour
and
they
get
exercise
and
then
later
on,
the
kids
come
in
and
they
play
shooting
along.
All
those
elements
would
be
included
in
our
could
be
included
in
the
family
pool.
Obviously,
our
design
is
not
there.
M
J
Okay,
thank
you.
Thank
you
for
that
very
helpful
and
getting
back
to
the
the
cost
conversation
as
I
raised
with
you
earlier.
You
know
one
of
the
things
that
I
would
just
encourage
you
to
think
about
its.
How
their
procurement
plot
process
is
currently
designed
could
provide
the
opportunity,
if
necessary,
for
us
to
consider
additional
elements
that
may
not
fit
within
the
contract
price
that
we
are
to
consider,
but
whose
marginal
cost
based
on
other
decisions
would
be
be
very
appealing
for
us
to
consider
later
on.
J
So
you
know,
we've
priced
all
of
these
elements,
sort
of
a
la
carte,
but
as
part
of
the
entree,
we
may
find
that
wow.
We
can
get
another
element
for
far
less
than
what
we
had
predicted.
It
would
cost,
but
my
understanding
is
the
current
procurement
process
does
not
allow
that
if
it
exceeds
the
maximum
price,
so
whether
it's
looking
at
opportunities
or
incentives
through
the
procurement
process,
I
would
just
love
for
you
to
to
think
about
how
we
might
be
able
to
keep
open
those
possibilities
if
they
do
present
themselves.
M
My
only
thoughts
at
this
point
in
time
would
be
that
I
we
would
need
to
work
with
our
purchasing
to
develop
a
procurement
method
to
be
also
evaluate
and
include
those
additional
options,
but
it's
something
we'd
have
to
go
back
in
and
take
a
look
at
to
see
how
it
would
be
done
at
work.
If
we
indeed
would
run
to
do
that,
I.
A
Other
comments,
yes,
a
couple
things.
Let
me
comment
on
the
operating
cost.
Question
I
just
think
the
way
Toby
framed
that
is
in
the
end,
exactly
right.
It's
gonna
come
to
a
County
Board
policy
question
with
the
full
range
we'll
do
we
go
with
more
a
Fairfax
model
of
full
cost
recovery
and
meaning
the
entry
fees.
The
costs
are
a
little
higher
or
do
we
go
to
you
know
the
opposite.
It's
probably
gonna
be
somewhere
in
the
middle,
but
the
DC
option,
which
is
you
know
it's
free
for
DC
residents.
A
So
that's
a
wide
range
which
has
implications
I,
think
what
I'm
consistently
told
is
that
this
facility
compared
to
most
Parks
and
Rec
or
community
facilities.
This
has
a
much
higher
cost
recovery
than
the
average.
So
that
becomes
our
question
down
the
road.
As
we
take
up
that
policy
question,
let
me
ask
two
things
just
to
get
a
sense
of
what
went
into
the
the
specs
around
sustainability.
Can
you
give
me
a
sense?
Give
us
a
sense
of
what
the
energy
efficiency
criteria
were
that
were
built
in.
M
Yes,
I
can
talk
about
how
we
approach
that,
if
you
would
forgive
me-
and
we
could
come
back
with
distillation
about
specific
numbers
and
things
like
that,
I
could
add
that
information
later.
However,
the
way
this
was
approached
as
opposed
to
the
way
we
did,
the
the
former
building,
where
we
created
a
building,
it's
architecture
and
then
tried
to
find
systems
that
achieved
our
energy
levels
within
that
building,
envelope,
lots
of
glass
and
large
spaces.
A
You
know
because
I
do
remember
this
conversation
last
time
and
that
was
the
original
design
was
followed
by
the
adoption
of
the
community
energy
plan,
and
then
you
all
were
asked
to
go
back
and
fit
the
design
and
adapt
a
new
energy
system
to
the
existing
building.
So
now
what
you've
got
is
setting
the
performance
standard
and
when
they
design
the
building,
they
approach
this
in
an
integrated
fashion
and
that's
I,
don't
know
whether
to
cry
or
smile
or
what.
A
N
Other
aspect
of
that
built
into
the
new
procurement
system
is
that
the
teams
know
the
cost
target
going
in
it's
not
as
though
they
they
know
only
the
energy
efficiency
target
and
then
I
have
to
get
a
sub
and,
as
it
turns
out,
the
sub
isn't
willing
to
take
a
risk.
This
essentially
moves
that
whole
calculation
into
an
earlier
phase
of
their
decisions
so
that
they
have
to
hit
the
cost
mark
and
they
have
to
decide
earlier
on
how
they're
gonna
do
it
yeah.
A
Well,
I
know
through
the
Incivek
or
the
engagement
process
you
had
to
you
know,
validate
or
undermine
the
the
need
that
this
turned
out
to
be
one
of
the
very
high
features
of
interest
by
the
community
which
I'm
not
gonna,
say
it
surprised
me,
but
I
wasn't
sure
you
know,
but
there
was
a
great
sense
of
awareness
about
this
by
the
community.
So
yeah
did
you
want
to
add
something
one.
P
Of
the
features
that
we've
that
I've
discovered
over
several
design-build
projects
is
that
if
you
set
your
energy
standards
ahead
of
time,
they're
usually
met
without
any
additional
cost,
because,
as
you
describe,
the
integrated
design
process
assumes
the
proper
assumptions.
So
there's
no
retrofit
and
and
that's
one
of
the
beauties
of
design-build
and
and
the
challenge
we
I
did
one
where
the
project
said.
We
want
this
level
of
performance.
How
much
more
will
it
cost
and
five
of
the
six
proposals
came
back
with?
It
was
cheaper.
G
A
I
am
hearing
Paul
Ferguson
in
my
ear
from
2005
when
he
kept
saying
he
came
back
from
a
conference
and
said
we
have
to
deal
with
this
lead
because
we're
not
doing
it,
but
it's
because
we're
not
demanding
it
upfront.
We're
not
setting
a
performance
requirement
said
once
you
do
it
upfront
people
can
design
to
it
and
look
how
far
we've
come
even
in
12
years
in
terms
of
the
capacity
and
the
technology,
but
look
at
our
discovery
school,
you
know,
look
at
fleets,
go
look
at
lubber
run.
A
These
are
all
things
if
you
try
to
retrofit
afterwards,
you're
on
and
tons
of
problems,
but
if
you
make
it
an
expectation
upfront,
the
opportunities
are
really
there.
Well,
that's
that's
very
encouraging
to
hear
another
question,
and
this
has
come
to
my
attention
recently.
I
wasn't
aware
of
the
specs,
but
somebody
has
raised
the
question
about
the
depth
of
the
water.
I
know
mr.
Vyse,
that
just
sort
of
said
something
about
this
meeting:
national
swim
standards,
etc.
I'm,
not
exactly
sure
anymore.
To
be
honest
with
you
what
those
standards
are.
A
This
is
Jain
said
this
is
not
being
designed
for
international
and
national
competitions;
it
probably
is
being
designed
for
local
or
even
regional
kinds
of
competitions,
but
what
what
are
those
and
does
I
think
it's
four
feet
at
the
one
end.
Does
that
allow
for
that
flexibility
or
are
there
alternatives
to
do
you
need
that
for
teaching
and
this
four
feet
required,
or
where
do
we
stand
with
that
sort
of
an
option
still
being
on
the
table
as
I
guess?
Maybe
the
question
at
this
point
in
time.
M
So
death
is
one
of
the
things
that
is
spoken
about
in
the
criteria,
because
it
that
does
have
an
impact
on
cost,
because
the
more
you
excavate
and
how
you
do
that
has
an
impact
on
the
funds
available
and
particularly
on
our
case
because
of
the
remediation
of
the
site.
So
we're
not
just
excavating
simple
soils.
These
may
be
expensive
soils
every
minute,
so
one
of
the
numbers
we
did
provide
to
the
firm's
is
requirement
depth.
M
States
swim,
25
meters
and
25
meters
is
what
the
rest
of
the
world
swims
in
most
use
groups
that
we
would
host
here,
such
as
local,
regional
and
sewn
and
sectionals
they're
called,
and
that's
from
very
young
as
to
you
know,
high
school,
and
maybe
even
though
they're,
including
masters,
who
are
older
summers
who
made
250
meters.
Those
are
the
key
specifications
how
long
it
is
until
they
qualify
for
certain
times
and
those
times
register
across
all
their
all
their
different
events
that
they're
doing
the
depths.
And
this
when
we
refocused
this
project.
M
The
original
depth
of
the
previous
pool
was
the
FINA
preferred
standard
of
2
meters
of
death,
which
is
over
6
feet
of
water.
That
becomes
very
problematic
if
you're
trying
to
run
classes
in
that
body
of
water,
because
anybody
was
uncomfortable
swimming
or
a
parent
trying
to
hold
a
child
really
can't
do
that
and
learn
to
swim
program
or
class.
And
so,
when
we
looked
at
this
pool
and
with
the
re
focus
on
the
community
and
serving
the
classes,
things
like
that,
we
did.
M
M
No,
not
in
the
forefoot
end,
but
what
happens
is
there?
If
you
want
to
dive
in
off
of
either
end?
This
pool
would
contain
bulkheads
which
sections
your
pool
into
up
to
3
sections
and
you
will
be
able
to
dive
off
those
bulkheads.
So
you
would
position
those
bulkheads
when
you've
obtained
your
propria
depth,
and
so
you
could
dive
off
of
that,
because
Moe
doing.
M
Right
because
there's
a
difference
here
with
the
blocks,
we
have
taken
the
depth
profile
to
provide
4
feet
to
be
able
to
maximize
our
class
opportunity.
But
then
we
have
drop
that
depth,
starting
at
a
certain
point
that
allows
a
water
polo
event
to
meet
its
FINA
requirements,
as
well
as
synchronized
swimming
event
to
meet
its
FINA
requirements.
Now
we
will
be
challenged
and
you
couldn't
hold
a
duel,
water
polo
me
or
a
duel
of
synchro,
because
you
don't
have
the
depth
on
both
ends
like.
M
We'll
have
enough
of
the
I
forget
the
exact
6
feet
plus
depth
that
they
need
for
that
to
be
able
to
hold
one
of
those,
and
so
again
we
thought
that
you
know
we
can
host
those
meets.
We
can
and
people
can
obviously
obviously
train
if
you're
younger
in
the
shallow
areas
at
water
polo
or
doing
other
things
that
it
allowed
us
to
hold
host
those
youth
type
competitions
as
well
as
be
reflect
of
the
communities,
and
so
we
really
did
work
that
depth
profile
across
the
pool
to
achieve
all
those
things
now.
M
The
one
thing
I'll
note
is
I
talked
about
fie
knows
being
a
fast
standard,
their
highest
compliment.
We
were
the
design
it's
a
community
pool,
but
the
pool
is
being
designed
to
have
things
like
wave,
reducing
gutters,
that's
not
a
there's,
no
cost
of
between
the
type
of
gutters
you
install
and
that
kind
of
thing,
so
other
things
are
being
done
to
provide
that
ideal,
swim
environment.
The
depth
is
the
one
thing
that
we
we
felt
we
had
to
make
in
order
to
accommodate
the
community
program.
Okay,.
A
F
You
so
just
going
back
to
the
to
the
cost
question
which
I
continue
to
be
concerned
about
I'm,
mindful
the
conversation
that
we've
been
having
about
we're
on
the
cost,
recovery,
spectrum
or
pyramid
that
we
have.
This
is
going
to
fit
for
the
variety
of
aquatic
center
needs
we
have,
but
at
the
same
time
you
know,
we've
raised
property
taxes
by
a
penny
and
a
half
this
last
year
for
schools
and
Metro.
We've
got
all
sorts
of
demand
for
land
acquisition,
parks,
open
space
program,
space
field,
space
and
so
forth.
F
So
my
root
concern
is
that
we'll
be
taking
on
a
new
obligation
here,
and
the
city
of
Alexandria
recently
pulled
back
and
decided
to
not
go
forward
with
upgraded
and
and
expanded
Cinque
Pan
pool
and
mr.
Schwartz
I
was
just
wondering
what
your
understanding
is
of,
why
they
made
that
decision
and
and
how
you
might
interpret
that
decision
for
our
own
purposes,
especially,
is
we're
going
forward
into
what
could
really
be
a
tough
budget
here
next
year?.
C
A
The
only
other
thing
I
wanted
to
do
before
we
tie
this
up
and
is
thank
everybody
for
your
continued
work
on
this
I
want
to
reiterate
what
several
of
you
have
said,
which
is
this
is
a
very
different
procurement
process.
It
will
feel
different.
The
idea
of
someone
had
here
to
do
a
one-pager
to
get
our
materials
down
to
create
and
and
frame
the
expectations
of
the
community
in
the
weeks
and
months
ahead
is
important
because
there's
been
an
enormous
amount
in
Toby.
You
did
a
great
job
framing
this.
A
This
has
been
through
the
Arlington
way
in
multiple
iterations.
There's
a
lot
of
background
here.
It's
just
as
we
are
getting
to
this
competitive
conceptual
design,
phase
there'll,
be
that
one
good
week,
a
very
public
input
and
that
public
input
will
be
processed,
but
at
the
right
time,
a
little
bit
later,
because
the
procurement
process
itself
demands
that
we
move
in
a
certain
way
in
order
to
minimize
the
risk
to
the
taxpayer
and
keep
us
within
the
budget,
so
that
I
just
want
to
reinforce
I
thought
the
ideas
of
creating
and
managing
those
expectations.
A
I
Just
to
build
on
that
a
little
bit
I
think
one
another
way
of
thinking
about
it,
perhaps,
is
that
those
four
designs
we
get
incorporate
everything
we've
heard
over
the
past
20
years
and
for
the
record
I
just
wanted
to
ask
Miss,
Johnson
and
mr.
Smith
how
many
years
we
total
it
together.
Have
you
guys
been
working
on
that
I
mean
how
many,
how
many
volunteer
years
I
have
we
got
here?
It's
I
mean
I,
think
we're
looking
at
34
I
mean.
O
N
N
A
A
K
A
Making
a
grand
plan
to
get
land
exactly
what
the
community
facility
study
is
talking
about,
and
it
was
done
an
enormous
piece
of
land
and
then
figuring
out
what
to
do
with
it
and
then
planning
it,
and
whether
it's
legal,
environmental,
remediation
parks
planning
all
the
rest.
This
this
is
a
visionary
concept.
That's
won
awards
and
now
we're
finishing,
or
at
least
going
into
the
next
phase
of
the
implementation
of
that
hard-fought
master
plan
from
and.
A
A
N
A
A
Plan,
you
did
the
master
plan
with
a
different
piece
of
property,
and
then
we
got
the
swap
and
we
had
to
do
the
whole
master
plan
all
over
again.
So
good
things
take
time
right.
So
here
we
are
we're
not
voting
on
anything.
This
is
simply
a
check-in
based
upon
past
board
direction
and
actions.
Thank
you
all
very
much
and
we
are
adjourned.