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From YouTube: County Board Work Session - Residential Permit Parking
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A
B
Right,
we
are
all
here
for
our
August
work
session.
In
the
middle
of
the
summer,
I
was
the
only
day
when
all
board
members
were
here
together
and
thank
you
for
the
staff
who
are
here
with
us
tonight
as
well,
and
all
the
residents
that
have
joined
us
or
watching
tonight's
agenda
is
about
the
residential
permit
parking
program,
and
so
we're
gonna
have
a.
We
have
a
nice
agenda
where
we're
really
going
to
hear
about
how
it's
evolved
over
time.
B
Look
at
and
hear
from
you
because
the
board
has
said
we
want
to
review
and
reassess
the
program.
We
know
this
is
a
process
that
will
take
a
significant
amount
of
time
and
work.
So
there's
a
over
a
year's
worth
of
work
involved.
Maybe
two
years
and
you're
gonna
lay
that
out
for
us
to
get
some
feedback
on
what
your
plans
are,
and
then
we
also
are
gonna
hear
at
the
end
about
the
proposed.
B
The
manager
has
some
suggestions
about
a
moratorium,
and
also
we
want
to
spend
a
little
bit
of
time
talking
about
the
situation
in
the
Arlington
Mill
Forest
Glen
neighborhood,
to
get
some
feedback
on
that.
So
with
that,
this
is
obviously
a
program.
That's
been
in
place
for
quite
a
while
it's
evolved
over
time.
So
let's
get
some
of
the
background.
C
D
D
D
D
Now,
as
I
said,
I'm
sure
some
of
the
RPP
program,
or
perhaps
even
most
of
the
RPP
program
is
review
for
you
all.
But
I
do
want
to
give
you
a
little
bit
of
background.
It
is,
of
course,
one
of
the
tools
that
we
have
for
managing
on
street
parking
in
Arlington,
County
and
I.
Think
it's
important
to
remember.
D
Whenever
we're
talking
about
on-street
parking,
be
it
unrestricted
restricted
through
our
PPE
restricted
through
meters,
our
policy
and
our
action
is
always
based
in
the
concept
that
curb
space
and
the
streets
are
publicly
owned
and
for
the
benefit
of
the
public.
This
is
from
the
very
beginning
of
the
parking
and
curb
space
management
element
of
the
master
transportation
plan
from
2009
going
into
the
wayback
machine.
D
For
a
moment,
the
program
began
with
one
Zone
in
1973
in
the
Aurora
Highlands
neighborhood
out
of
concern
about
employees
working
in
Crystal
City
parking
in
that
neighborhood,
also
as
individuals
using
the
Aurora
Highlands
neighborhood
as
a
park-and-ride
facility
for
transit
into
the
district
in
1977,
the
US
Supreme
Court
upheld
its
constitutionality,
and
then
it
continued
to
grow
through
the
next
more
than
two
decades
in
2002,
the
board
actually
created
two
RPP
districts
by
ordinance
outside
of
the
administrative
process
that
we
have.
Those
are
the
districts
for
Columbia,
Forest
and
Douglas
Park.
D
That's
been
there
for
decades
and
pre-exists
many
of
the
individuals
participating
in
the
program
or
petitioning
for
the
restrictions.
The
last
review
of
the
program
took
place
between
2003
and
2005
among
a
raft
of
changes
here
and
there
I
think
some
of
the
two
big
ones
are
that
it
introduced
fees
for
the
program
for
the
first
time
and
also
it
added
eligibility
for
certain
multifamily
buildings
and
townhomes.
D
For
the
first
time,
this
map
and
the
figures
associated
with
it
describe
a
few
of
the
ways
in
which
the
program
has
grown,
since
that
last
review
in
2005
you'll
see
its
growth
geographically,
the
areas
in
dark
blue,
the
properties
that
were
eligible
to
participate
in
the
program
when
the
last
review
was
completed
in
2005.
The
light
green
are
areas
that
have
been
added
to
the
programs.
D
Since
then,
there
are
now
24
zones
around
the
county,
and
you
will
see
the
number
of
applications
since
2008,
which
is
the
last
day
the
last
year
for
which
we
have
really
complete
data
or
the
earliest
year.
I
should
say
for
which
we
have
really
complete
data.
The
annual
number
of
applications
processed
have
increased
by
22%
and
the
number
of
households
ordering
materials
has
increased
by
13%.
Obviously,
applications
can
increase
because
there
can
be
churn
and
turnover
and
other
things,
aside
from
houses
being
added.
D
The
orange
dots
on
that
map
represent
petitions
that
have
come
into
our
office
in
the
past
few
years
for
new
restrictions,
either
a
block
being
added
to
a
zone
or
the
hours
of
restriction
being
altered
or
extended
and
I.
Think
it's
important
to
point
out
here,
of
course,
that
the
petition
I'm
sorry
the
program
is
largely
petition.
Driven
at
this
point,
outside
of
the
two
zones
created
by
ordinance
zones
or
blocks
or
restrictions
on
blocks,
are
created
through
a
petition
process.
D
In
2017
there
were
fiscal
year
2017
there
were
93
nine
thousand
three
hundred
households,
approximately
that
ordered
materials
or
thus
actively
participating
in
the
program
there.
Of
course,
many
households
that
are
eligible
but
choose
not
to
participate
and
households
are
entitled
generally
to
three
sets
of
materials.
One
is
what
we
call
a
flex
pass,
which
is
free,
then
up
to
three
decals,
which
can
be
affixed
to
a
specific
vehicle's
bumper.
D
Those
are
available
at
a
cost
of
$20
for
the
first
two
and
50
for
the
third,
and
then
they
are
able
to
purchase
up
to
five
visitor
booklets,
which
are
good
for
three
days
each
for
a
total
of
100
100
individual
passes
so
about
300
days
worth
of
parking.
The
first
of
those
books
is
free.
The
remaining
four
are
available
for
$5
each
now
there
are
some
exceptions
to
this.
Some
properties
have
been
included
in
the
program
with
restrictions,
but,
generally
speaking,
this
is
the
most
that
a
individual
household
can
receive
in
any
one
year.
D
D
D
Also,
the
intent
language
in
the
ordinance
is
quite
broad.
It
includes
references
to
things
like
reducing
unnecessary
motor
vehicle
travel,
noise
pollution,
litter
and
crime
and
preserving
the
residential
character
of
the
neighborhood,
as
well
as
property
values.
So
you
see
how,
depending
on
which
part
of
the
ordinance
you
could
also
be
about
many
different
things
aside,
just
from
parking
occupancy.
D
Basically,
should
certain
residents
have
priority
to
public
right-of-way
over
others,
or
should
certain
types
of
residences
have
priority
over
others,
and
just
to
give
you
an
example
of
where
the
rubber
meets
the
road
on
this
any
single-family
home,
regardless
of
age
having
a
driveway
or
not
having
a
garage
or
not
is
able
to
participate
in
the
program.
Multifamily
buildings
that
are
allowed
to
participate
in
the
program
cannot
be
any
newer
than
a
certain
date
of
construction.
D
Another
issue
that's
a
little
more
functional
is
we
do
not
know
what
the
program's
effect
is
on
parking
supply
and
demand.
Of
course
it
doesn't
change
supply,
but
in
terms
of
occupancy
or
demand
on
the
streets
that
it
covers.
As
you
know,
the
master
transportation
plan
in
two
policies
actually
encourages
on
street
parking
for
a
variety
of
reasons,
in
both
residential
and
commercial
neighborhoods
and
in
the
part
of
the
master
transportation
plan
that
talks
about
RPP.
D
It
encourages
the
county
to
strike
a
balance
between
maximizing
on-street
parking
utilization
with
the
residents
desire
for
convenient
on
street
parking
and
preserve
neighborhood
character,
and
to
illustrate
this
a
little
bit.
Generally
speaking,
our
policy
looks
for
on
street
parking
occupancy
of
between
60%
and
85%,
so
it's
60
percent
below
60
percent.
The
plan
actually
encourages
the
removal
of
excess
off
street
parking
and
above
85
percent,
is
where
our
policy
indicates
that
a
street
is
over
parked
or
that
it
needs
to
be
managed
in
a
different
way.
D
Finally,
on
a
day-to-day
administrative
level,
we're
facing
a
dramatic
increase
in
petition
volumes
for
our
PPE
restrictions
in
recent
years.
This
graph
gives
you
a
sense
of
how
that
is
increased
and
you
see
how,
in
fiscal
years
2016
and
17,
we
are
levels
that
are
much
higher
than
in
prior
years,
and
this
is
important
because,
as
I
show
below
here,
a
petition
can
take
anywhere
from
eighteen
to
forty
six
hours
of
staff,
time
between
coordination
with
residents
sending
out
petition
forms
getting
them
back.
D
Conducting
the
in
the
field
surveys
doing
research
about
where
the
vehicles
are
registered
to
coming
from.
So
each
petition
is
a
rather
serious
expenditure
of
effort.
Now
I
will
say
that
most
of
the
petitions
that
we've
received
has
failed,
but
of
course,
and
new
restrictions
have
been
granted,
but
the
time
must
be
spent
regardless.
D
Finally,
I
want
to
share
with
you
just
a
little
bit
of
information
on
expenses
and
revenue
from
the
program,
and
we
need
to
do
as
part
of
our
review
work
plan.
We
intend
to
look
at
the
expenses
and
revenues
from
the
program
from
all
sides,
because
this
is
a
joint
program
between
police,
commissioner
or
revenue
and
Department
of
Environmental
Services.
D
The
program
again
looking
just
at
our
office
within
the
Department
of
Environmental
Services,
did
not
cover
all
costs
in
2015
and
16
or
which
is
in
part,
because
we've
staffed
up
to
deal
with
increased
volume
over
the
years
and
also
our
printing
costs
went
up
when
we
switched
the
Flex
pass
to
a
more
durable
cardstock
with
a
hologram
in
order
to
fight
fraudulent
photocopying
and
distribution
of
the
pass.
So.
D
Looking
at
a
potential
work
program
again,
we
want
to
hear
the
issues
that
you
hear
in
addition
to
the
ones
we've
identified,
but
just
to
make
sure
that
you
know
what
we're
thinking
about
in
terms
of
exploring
this
fully
with
the
public.
Here
is
what
we
have
in
mind
and,
as
you
think,
about
what
your,
what
we're
proposing
I'd
like
you
to
keep.
You
know
one
question
in
mind
and
that's
really
what
will
help
you
make
decisions
about
this
program?
What
kind
of
engagement
with
the
public
will
allow
you
to
make?
D
What
we
recognize
are
going
to
be
hard
decisions
and
those
decisions
will
be
hard
for
a
few
reasons
which
I
mentioned
here.
One,
of
course,
is
that
there
will
be
irreconcilable
differences
between
members
of
the
community
about
what
is
fair
and
what
is
appropriate
with
a
program
like
this,
and
also
space
is
finite.
D
Finally,
this
is
an
emotional
topic
and
I
can
admit
to
being
a
little
upset
when
it
is
difficult
for
me
to
find
parking
and
I'm
sure
it
is
for
everybody
in
this
room.
So,
regardless
of
how
difficult
a
situation
is,
the
emotion
can
get
very
high
and
I
know
that
some
of
my
colleagues
in
our
office
have
certainly
seen
people
who
come
in
very,
very
concerned
and
feeling,
like
they're,
very
limited
in
their
lives,
given
their
parking
situation.
D
So
we've
mapped
out
a
sketch
work
plan
that
would
take
us
approximately
two
years
over
four
phases.
More
or
less.
The
first
step
is
for
internal
and
external
data
gathering,
which
would
include
on
street
occupancy
around
the
county,
an
assessment
of
its
fiscal
health,
as
I
mentioned
earlier,
as
well
as
gathering
input
from
the
police
department,
treasurer's
office
and
others
who
are
involved
in
the
day-to-day
administration
of
the
program.
Just
to
make
sure
we
fully
understand
the
staff
perspective
on
this
program
and
how
well
it
is
and
is
not
operating.
D
The
second
phase
is
a
multi-pronged
engagement
strategy
which
I'm
going
to
focus
on
in
for
a
second
in
a
second
and
then.
The
third
phase,
though,
is
a
board
work
session,
where
we
come
together
and
present
what
we've
gathered
and
then
basically
get
guidance
from
you
as
the
board
on
what
the
intent
and
goals
of
the
RPP
program
should
be
moving
forward.
D
Then,
in
step,
four,
we
work
with
a
working
group
to
develop
a
policy
and
procedures
set
that
carries
out
the
intent
and
goals
that
you
have
given
us
in
the
prior
phase,
and
that,
of
course,
would
also
include
reference
to
best
practices
and
further
engagement
with
the
community
around
draft
policies
and
procedures.
The
final
point
would
be
the
adoption
of
a
new
policy
or
anything
else
necessary
to
make
that
policy
a
reality
focusing
on
public
engagement.
I
want
you
to
think
about
a
few
questions.
D
If
you
will
one
is
you
know,
of
course,
what
do
you
especially
hope
to
get
out
of
an
engagement
process,
and
for
whom
are
you
especially
concerned
about
hearing
from
whom?
Are
you
especially
concerned
about
hearing
and
what
are
some
of
the
different
sides
or
interests
or
different
perspectives
that
you
hear
from
the
community
that
you
could
tell
us
right
now?
It's
important
that
we
be
sure
to
consider
and
get
input
in
through
this
process.
So
our
engagement
plan
includes
three
major
tools
for
engagement
with
the
public.
D
One
is
a
series
of
deliberative
dialogues
for
those
of
you
who
may
not
be
familiar
with
that
tool.
It's
basically
a
workshop
format
done
in
person
where
residents
or
any
stakeholder
group
is
brought
together
to
speak
in
small
groups
where
they
first
share
feelings,
experience
opinions
about
an
issue.
Then
there
is
a
round
of
education
about
the
policy
issue,
followed
by
further
iterations
of
discussion
and
education
and
the
reason
to
use.
This
is
because
it
has
been
found
to
be
a
useful
tool
for
finding
ground
the
common
ground
on
controversial
and
complex
issues.
D
The
goal
is
to
find
some
common
ground
upon
which
to
make
some
policy
and
planning
recommendations
as
an
adjunct
or
as
a
part,
or
a
complement
to
these
intensive
in-person
workshops.
We
are
also
interested
in
fielding
a
household
survey
that
would
be
random,
address
space
sample
to
ensure
that
we
get
a
very
broad
representative
perspective
from
the
population
from
the
residents
of
the
county,
and
there
would
also
be
a
typical
online
comment
form
that's
a
little
more
open
in
format
to
allow
comments
and
answering
of
questions
in
a
less
structured
way.
B
As
a
segue
to
the
engagement
of
the
board,
so
why
don't
we
walk
through
your
questions?
To
start
with
seems
like
they're,
fair
ones?
First,
one
is
what
do
we
hear
about
the
program's
effectiveness
in
making
parking
available
in
participating,
neighborhoods
sort
of
a
broad
question
about
whether
the
program
is
working
or
not?
B
What
do
we
hear
so
well,
we're
not
gonna
spend
a
lot
of
time,
necessarily
but
there's
a
little
bit
of
a
brainstorming,
maybe
a
brain
dump
from
us
that
somebody
over
there
somebody's
gonna
be
tracking
just
to
help
frame
the
whole
review
for
you.
Colleagues,
anyone
want
to
share
their
initial
thoughts.
What
are
you
here
crystal.
F
Mean
I'll
throw
a
few
things
and
you
know,
obviously
we
wouldn't
be
here
if
there
weren't
some
issues
and
concerns
with
it,
but
you
know
generally
I
think
when
it
works.
Well,
it
achieves
sort
of
the
baseline
goal
of
making
sure
residents
have
an
ability
to
park
near
their
homes,
which
I
think
is
really
a
very
simple
but
artful
goal
of
the
program.
I
mean
ours
has
a
lot
of
other
stuff
in
the
code.
I
think
it's
proven
to
be
either
mildly,
effective
or
not
at
all
effective.
F
In
meeting
some
of
the
issues
in
terms
of
reducing
vehicle
demand
promoting
air
quality,
all
that
other
stuff.
But
you
know
for
when
it
works
well,
it
has
clearly
provided
an
ability
for
people
who
have
limited
options
through
driveways
or
garages
to
park
somewhere
near
their
homes.
So,
but
that's
not
uniform
and
I.
F
Think
part
of
what
I'm
hearing
from
a
lot
of
people
is
that
we
have
a
fairly
uniform
program,
despite
the
fact
that
many
cases
blocks
have
distinct
dynamics
and
circumstances,
in
which
case
our
general
one-size-fits-all
approach
to
the
number
of
available
vehicle
specific
passes
may
not
be
appropriate
in
all
places.
I
don't
want
to
go
on,
I
mean
I.
Think
here
we're
just
looking
at
generally.
G
F
B
A
I
think
I
think
one
overarching
question
which,
which
can
be,
which
can
be
I,
guess
articulated
from
from
really
that
the
combination
of
these
questions
is,
you
know,
we're
also
talking
about
reducing
parking
ratios
in
a
lot
of
parts
of
the
county
in
residential
buildings,
multifamily
buildings,
especially
in
affordable
multifamily
buildings.
At
the
same
time,
we're
talking
about
perhaps
fundamental
changes
to
the
RPP
program.
A
I
mean
when
you
look
at
this
map
on
page
six,
you've
got
you've
got
rpps
in
areas
that
are,
you
know
clearly
in
the
metro,
corridors,
blue,
yellow
and
orange
line,
which
are
also
very
close
to
a
combination
of
of
multi-family
housing,
both
affordable
and
market
rate.
Then
you
also
have,
of
course,
as
as
miss
crystal
alluded
to
you've
got
our
PPS
in
zones
that
have
schools
or
community
facilities
like
around
Arlington
hospital,
where
I,
where
I
live
close
to
so
I
guess.
A
My
question
is
you
know,
while
we're
talking
about
changing
parking
ratios
for
multifamily
dwellings
and
also
for
schools
and
other
community
facilities?
How?
How
is
that
informing?
Or
how
do
you
expect
to
inform
the
discussion
that
we're
having
tonight
and
going
forward?
How
are
we
going
to
coordinate
those
two
together
and
I'm,
not
saying
they're,
mutually
exclusive,
but
I?
Think
it's
a
it's
an
important
policy
question.
D
D
I
think
the
our
point
about
continuing
to
exclude
site
plans
and
use
permit
buildings
from
participation
into
the
future
is
really
it's.
You
know
one
slide
in
one
statement,
but
we
believe
that
that's
a
very
crucial
part
of
how
you
have
those
ratios
policy
reduced,
while
also
opening
the
door
to
changes
to
our
PPD.
Now
I
will
say
that
none
of
us
have
a
preconceived
notion
of
what
should
become
of
the
RPP
program.
D
We
are
trying
to
be
very
open-minded
and
just
gather
as
much
information
as
possible,
but
insofar
as
the
policy
that
we
say
describe
to
you
or
proposed
or
shared
with
you
last
month
at
that
work
session,
the
buildings
that
would
be
approved
that
would
we
do
not
think,
should
be
allowed
to
participate
in
any
RPP
program
into
the
future.
Mr.
A
Krim,
could
you
just
articulate
the
rationale
for
that?
Is
that?
Because
you
believe
these
buildings
ought
to
ought
to
know
and
calibrate
their
their
parking
on
site
to
have
that
right
balance
so
that
their
residents
are
not
spilling
over
to
the
neighborhoods,
which
begets
in
turn,
perhaps
a
petition
for
our
pp
or
what
what's
the
foundation
for
that?
If.
D
You
want
to
look
at
it
from
a
functional
perspective.
Yes,
I
mean
it's,
it's
setting
expectations
about
what
developers
are
doing
and
forecasting
and
planning
for
I.
Think
also,
though,
functionally
if
you
look
at
best
practices
around
parking
management,
if
you
have
a
building
where
part
of
matching
supply
and
demand
is
priced
parking
and
on
street
parking,
as
throughout
the
United
States
is
close
to
free
as
it
is
in
Arlington.
D
People
will
make
the
economically
rational
choice
and
look
for
the
cheaper
parking.
So
it
is
both
about
setting
expectations,
while
also
just
controlling,
for
what
residents
will
do
in
the
future.
If
you
have
lower
parking
ratios
and
higher
prices
for
parking,
and
it
provides
I
think
some
of
the
insurance
that
we're
looking
for
around
our
parking
policy.
I'm.
H
Actually,
just
gonna
add
a
few
more
concepts
related
to
our
site
plan
use
permit
special
exception
process.
This
is
a
negotiated
process
where
that
project
has
to
have
a
fulsome
solution
and
which
means
that
the
developer
is
coming
to
the
table.
Providing
infrastructure
has
a
mandatory
TDM
program
and
has
to
demonstrate,
through
a
transportation
assessment,
that
it
works
these
facilities
generally.
These
developments
are
in
our
most
transportation,
rich
locations
and
by
and
large,
we
have
many
many
years
of
experience
with
our
site
plan
development.
H
B
I
would
just
my
own
quick
response
because
it
mean
it's
it's
a
very
good
question
because
we're
looking
at
parking
and
all
its
glory
in
many
different
ways
in
this
county,
but
a
site
plan
is
a
new
building
and
that
new
building
needs
to
build
enough
parking
for
the
people
moving
into
that
building
and
over
time,
we've
adjusted
the
requirements
because
they've
gone
down
and
we
provided
other
alternatives.
But
the
expectation
is
the
parking
needs
of
that
building
are
met
by
the
building.
B
And
if
you
allow
residential
parking
on
the
immediate
adjacent
parking
that
on
the
streets,
then
you
give
people
a
chance,
maybe
not
to
park
under
the
building
but
to
go.
Take
the
street
parking.
So
so
that's
the
reason
you
wouldn't
want
residential
zone
parking
in
adjacent
to
the
site
plan
projects
themselves.
You
want
them
to
be
responsible
for
themselves
and
we
need
to
have
the
required
ratios
and
the
required
parking.
We're,
not
we're
not
going
to
approve
something.
Unless
we're
convinced
there's
enough
parking
to
support
that
particular.
B
Since
I've
been
here,
there's
been
that
and
all
we
can
do
is
look
at
the
last
twenty
years
or
so
of
experience
of
building
them
and
looking
at
if
there
are
parking
spaces
under,
are
they
full
and
are
they
having
to
park
somewhere
else
or
are
we
on
track?
Some
of
the
bigger
challenges
are
the
older
buildings
so.
A
Mr.
leach,
just
as
a
data
point
before
I
yield
the
floor,
it
might
be
helpful
when
you
talk
about
or
mr.
Krim,
when,
when
we
talk
about
trends
here
and
the
growth
of
new
RPP
applications,
it
might
be
helpful
to
map
that
out
to
show
you
know
2007
to
2009.
We
were
seeing
applications
here
and
in
the
next
couple
years
here.
In
other
words,
if
you
could
spotlight
that
Geographic
trend,
because
that
might
give
us
some
idea
to
it
would
help
maybe
verify
mr.
leech
your
observation
that
we're
we're
seeing
a
greater
diversity
of
applications.
H
A
D
I
wish
that
were
more
possible
and
let
me
just
give
you
one
anecdote
and
obviously
anecdote.
Isn't
you
know
always
reality,
but
just
the
the
disconnect
is
is
there
between
what
anyone
would
say
think
is
the
cause
of
spillover
and
what
it
actually
is.
So,
for
example,
there
was
a
project
where
residents
had
requested
RPP
and
they
were
citing
a
new
multi-family
building
that
had
gone
in
when
surveys
were
done
and
many
were
done,
I
think
more
than
the
usual
amount,
although
I
can't
Ramon,
we
call
the
number.
D
D
I
One
thing
which
anyway,
we've
all
heard
of
the
you
know:
Arlington
Mill,
Forest,
Glen
issue
where
there's
a
single-family,
neighborhood
or
they've
got
driveways
they've
got
places
to
put
their
cars
there.
You
feel
like
they've
gotten
to
park
by
the
multifamily
developing
near
by
the
folks
in
the
multifamily
and,
and
some
of
them
are
like
townhouses
I,
think
they,
but
they
don't
have
driveways
they
don't.
They
have
to
use
street
parking.
So
there's
no
sir,
and
they
depended
on
parking
in
this
neighborhood
at
night
and
now
people
talk
about
you
know.
I
Having
to
walk
a
mile
at
like
9
o'clock
at
night
1:00
in
the
morning,
because
they
can't
park
anywhere
near
that
not
even
approaching
near
their
house
and
meanwhile
the
single-family
neighborhood
everybody's
parked
in
their
driveway,
the
streets
are
absolutely
empty
and
that
always
feels
pretty
unfair
to
me.
Then
there
is
I.
Think
we've
probably
all
had
this,
and
maybe
it's
it's
a
good
thing
where
you're
trying
to
go
somewhere
and
you
want
to
park
the
car-
and
you
know,
as
you
say,
you
get
personally
frustrated,
there's
an
empty
street,
but
it's
permit
parking.
I
Only
nobodies
are
there,
but
you
can't
park,
and
that
is
always
sort
of
a
feeling
of
frustration,
sometimes
and
then
in
Farrington
I
guess
this
is
a
little
different,
cuz
I,
but
that's
where
I
live
and
I
thought
I
would
bring
this
one
up.
So
family
was
built
in
the
30s
and
40s
when
people
didn't
have
cars
or
very
few
people
had
cars
up.
So
every
unit
has
a
parking
space,
but
now
there's
two
three:
four
cars
to
a
unit,
so
the
parking
spot.
I
I
leach
and
all
of
a
sudden
parking
spaces
disappear
because
you
know,
there's
there's
there's
an
outline
about
where
it's
supposed
to
go
and
it
can't
be
too
close
to
this
curb
and
that
and
and
suddenly
you
know,
each
Street
is
losing
three
four
five
six
and
people
really
can't
find
it,
but
and
I
hear
about
that
a
lot.
Those
are
my
personal
anecdotes.
I
B
B
B
So
it's
both
an
availability
of
parking
for
yourself,
because
people
may
have
parked
there,
but
also
the
potential
disruption
into
the
evening
that
can
occur
and
I
think
where
it
works.
It
truly
limits
both
the
lack
of
a
bail
availability
of
parking
for
people
living
there
and
some
of
the
disruption
that
can
occur.
Mr.
I
B
Waiting
for
the
next
bullet
or
the
next
let's
go
in,
and
that's
why
I
sort
of
said
some
of
us.
We
realized
they're
all
somewhat
related
the
reasons
why
individuals
want
an
RPP
I
think
some
of
what
we're
talking
about
gets
to
that
to
residents
who
do
not
want
it
on
their
block
or
think
the
program
is
too
restrictive.
B
If
we
hear
about
that,
if
you
want
to
share
those
now
and
I'll
again,
I'm
gonna
jump
in
and
say
this
then
I
have
several
friends
who
complain
to
me
that
the
RPP
has
been
established
on
an
adjacent
block
and
it
has
caused
significant
hardship
for
them
and
the
people
that
live
and
their
guests
that
come
to
visit
them,
because
it
has
restricted
the
amount
of
available
on
street
parking
for
people
coming.
Essentially
it's
their
guests.
B
These
particular
folks,
a
couple
of
them
have
designated
parking
with
their
complex,
but
when
they
have
people
come
to
visit,
it
can
be
very
difficult
to
find
parking
near
their
home
and
the
adjacent
block
is
virtually
empty.
There
is
a
lot
of
parking,
but
you're
not
allowed
to
park
there.
So
that
is
one
thing:
I
hear
from
a
fair
number
of
people
that
that
doesn't
seem
fair
and
who
did
this?
How
did
this
happen
and
it's
not
their
block?
It's
the
adjacent
blocks.
If.
D
I,
just
as
a
point
of
clarification
on
this
question,
if
you
also
want
to
think
about
it
in
terms
of
I,
am
in
a
household
that
can
participate
in
our
PPE
or
I
am
part
of
a
household
that
is
on
a
block
that
has
our
PPE
and
I
could
take
advantage
of
it.
But
I
still
think
the
program
is
I,
don't
know
too
restrictive
just
the
other
direction.
In
addition
to
those
who
are
nearby
and
can't
access
well,.
E
Done
mr.
Fitz
point
I
think
one
of
the
things
that
I
struggle
with
most
and
this
impart
answers
question
number
three,
but
in
part
answers
the
question
I
think
you're
getting
to,
which
is
what
information
do
we
need
to
eventually
to
act?
I
have
such
our
time-
and
you
mentioned
this
in
the
in
the
challenge
of
the
program
gauging
the
true
demand,
and
this
is
something
that
I
think
we
hear
a
little
bit
in
the
community
there's
among
some
there's
a
sense
that
is.
E
Is
it
possible
that
this
program
is
creating
a
supply
problem
by
artificially
constraining
certain
areas
and
leaving
others
open?
So
if
water
were
left
to
flow,
is
it
possible?
The
demand
is
such
that
there
actually
be
a
fairly
even
balance
such
that
all
might
be
occasionally
in
convenience.
But
none
would
have
this
dramatic
problem,
such
as
the
ones
miss
Garvey
described,
or
is
it
true
that
parking
is
really
in
such
short
supply
that
there
will
always
be?
You
know,
quote
winners
and
losers
or
pretty
significant.
E
You
know
inequalities
of
distribution
and
we're
just
this
is
a
program
that
does
its
best
to
to
manage
those
100
and
losers.
So
I
I
think
that's
a
series
of
questions.
I
have
there's
so
many
series
of
perceptions
among
some
were
concerned
about
this
program
that
were
maybe
creating
a
problem
rather
than
resolving
one
and
to
the
extent
that
we
have
will
can
eventually
get
data
about
the
true
demand.
I
think
that'll
be
incredibly
helpful
for
me.
Mr.
F
F
You
know
why
there
isn't
more,
why
it
isn't
more
prevalent
that
we
have
this
own
parking
that
allows
you
a
certain
number
of
hours
if
you're
out
of
zone
before
you're
at
penalty
versus
just
being
at
penalty
for
parking
there
for
even
a
minute-
and
you
know
I'd
love
to
hear
the
answer
to
that
question,
and
you
know
some
of
the
the
other
things
I've
just
heard
very
personal
circumstances
and
live
in
one
of
those
board
designated
zones
in
Colombia
forests.
You
know
where
you
just
have
an
extra
layer
of
logistics.
F
If
I'm
having
someone
come
at
seven
o'clock,
I
have
to
make
sure
I
am
out
there
to
meet
them
with
the
short-term
pass
or
I
make
sure
I
give
it
to
them
when
they
get
in
the
house,
even
if
they're
gonna
be
there
for
20
minutes
or
half
an
hour.
So
you
know
a
lot
of
people,
don't
want
to
go
through
that
level
of
drama
for
streets
that
are
relatively
free
of
parking
issues
and
I.
Just
didn't
want
to
address.
F
F
A
lot
of
people
feel
that
our
public
right-of-way
is
being
dominated
by
commercial
vehicles
and
commercial
uses,
whether
they
be
taxi,
cabs
or
other
contractor
type
vehicles,
and
wanting
to
not
only
control
neighborhood
character,
but
actually
speaking
more
to
the
safety
issue
with
certain
vehicles
you
know
being
difficult
to
see
around
navigate
around
and
how
that
impacts.
Certain
neighborhoods
as
well.
F
A
I
can
I
can
I
can
adjust
my
words
so
the
perspective
of
the
business
community,
not
just
not
just
what
large
businesses
but
also
small
shopkeepers,
say
on
on
Columbia
Pike
Penrose
is
a
good
example
of
a
neighborhood
behind
the
giant
that
has
a
pretty
strict
and
and
seven-day-a-week
parking
RPP
and
yet
I've
heard
from
some
businesses
who
say
you
know
I've.
Some
people
say
that
they
get
so
frustrated
not
being
able
to
find
a
parking
place
on
the
street.
A
They
don't
want
to
take
the
risk
of
getting
ticket,
but
they
don't
want
to
go
into
the
garage,
even
though
the
garage
gives
you
an
hour
of
free
parking,
so
I
think
it's
very
important
that
you
know
we
do
reach
out
to
the
businesses
Chamber
of
Commerce.
Our
three
bids
are
two
partnerships
to
get
their
perspective
on
this,
but
just
in
terms
of
more
data
points,
I
still
think
that
we
need
a
better
understanding
of
what
has
led
to
the
recent
surge
in
our
pp
applications
and
mr.
A
H
B
A
B
Thing
I'll
mention
that
that
you
hear
over
the
years
is
a
presumption
that
the
land
in
front
of
my
house
on
my
street
is
mine,
that
that
I
have
the
right
to
that
should
be
mine,
allocated
essentially
available
to
me
so
I
think
that's
a
presumption.
A
lot
of
people
have
when
you
live
in
a
single-family
home
that
that
curb
space
kind
of
belongs
to
me
that
it's
inappropriate
for
someone
else
to
park
there,
and
it's
a
not
everyone
feels
that
way.
B
B
How
come
they
don't
park
in
their
driveway
right,
and
there
are
a
lot
of
you
know.
A
lot
of
places
don't
have
a
driveway,
a
lot
of
mid
rise,
buildings
and
other
don't
have
driveways,
but
a
lot
of
single-family
homes,
most
single-family
homes,
a
driveway
or
a
parking
pad,
or
something-
and
the
question
you
hear
is
why
don't
they
use
that
I
wish
I
had
that
kind
of
so
and
then
the
question
becomes.
How
does
that
factor
into
our
calculations?
In
our
assessment
of
you
know
the
eligibility
I.
I
I
That's,
like
the
biggest
the
biggest
issue,
I
gotta,
know
what
the
effect
is
of
what
we're
doing.
I.
Think
what
we're
seeing
very
clearly.
Is
we
really
we
don't
over
time.
So
so
sort
of
disparate
treatment
for
finding
a
way
to
have
some
flexibility
or
disparate
treatment
for
disparate
situations,
not
everybody's,
not
the
same,
and
we've
just
got
to
know
what
the
effect
is
on
the
supply
and
demand,
which
probably
feeds
into
that
first
statement.
Thank
You
colleagues.
B
B
A
You
know
there.
It
saw.
The
question,
though,
can
also
be
asked
legitimately
for
those
folks
who
say
maybe
may
live
in
multifamily
housing
who
who
don't
feel
that
they
have
a
choice
but
to
park
on
a
street
in
a
single-family
neighborhood
you
know
is
that
is
the
issue
or
the
question:
why
isn't
there
enough
multifamily
parking?
In
other
words,
how
is
that
multi-family
building,
regardless
of
the
character
of
the
multi-family
building,
whether
it's
condo
or
rental
or
whatever?
How
is
that
permitted
to
only
supply?
A
What,
apparently,
by
outward
manifestations,
is
not
adequate
parking
on
site
either
either
in
structured
parking
or
or
you
know,
or
on-premises
parking,
and
that's
obviously
a
complicated
question
and
that's?
Why
there's
a
distinction
here
between
the
vintage
or
the
age
of
the
of
the
building
versus
now
site
plan
building?
So
it's
and.
B
H
So
I'll
start
off.
This
was
something
I
had
the
pleasure
of
working
on
the
last
reform
of
the
RPP
program
in
the
2003
to
2005
timeframe,
and
this
is
something
that
we
struggle
with.
This
relates
to
the
older
garden
apartment
complexes
that
are
in
many
parts
of
our
community.
They
tend
to
be
where
some
of
our
largest
supplies
of
affordable
housing,
both
market
rate
and
County,
funded,
affordable
housing
tend
to
be
located
and
actually
forcing
those
older
projects-
and
we
actually
came
up
with
a
date
of
I-
think
it's
1964.
H
H
So
we
in
the
in
the
last
overhaul
of
the
ordinance,
we
were
looking
for
a
way
to
provide
some
relief
for
an
important
part
of
our
community
really
around
these
old
regard
and
apartment
complexes.
That
Arlington
is
known
for
I
mean
we
have
more
nationally
registered
designated
garden
apartment
complexes
than
any
other
place,
I
think,
certainly
in
the
middle,
an
accretion.
G
D
So
this
is
a
table
from
the
zoning
ordinance
which
you
know,
points
out
that
single-family
in
homes
and
duplexes
are
required
to
provide
a
certain
amount
of
off
street
parking
in
order
to
be
permitted
either
one
per
12
unit
or
two
per
dwelling
unit,
and
so
if
there
is
an
expectation
that
a
single-family
home
will
also
have
its
needs
met
off-site
then
I
think
the
question
becomes.
You
know
where
we
set
different
standards
between
multifamily
and
single-family
homes.
It's
yeah.
It
could
be
an
option
that
we
just
say
well
single-family
homes.
D
Yes,
they
have
to
provide
a
certain
amount
off-site,
but
they
also
just
have
the
expectation
of
as
much
on
street
or
I'm.
Sorry
I've
been
saying,
off-site
or
should
say
off
street,
but
that
they
should
also
have
the
expec.
Thank
you,
but
they
you
know,
we
should
reasonably
allow
them
as
much
on
street
parking
as
they
like.
That
could
be
the
decision
around
this
policy.
But
when
we
talk
about
off
street
parking,
our
low
density
housing
also
has
these
kinds
of
requirements
and
I
think
household
composition.
D
One
of
the
issues
that
is
sometimes
identified
in
our
office
is
that
while
a
building
was
built
as
a
single
fan,
my
home,
it
is
now
shared
by
multiple
individuals
who
may
be
between
them.
Have
multiple
vehicles,
it's
not
close
to
Metro,
it's
being
shared
by
roommates,
and
so
that
home
is
functionally.
Maybe
has
the
amount
of
parking
that
was
required
in
order
for
it
to
be
permitted
and
billed.
But
it's
not
really
serving
the
function
of
meeting
the
demand
for
parking
from
that
household.
B
It
was
all
built
on
the
premise,
as
I
understand
it
of
commuters.
You
know
when
the
Metro
was
going
in
and
we
were
protecting
our
single-family
homes
from
outsiders
coming
and
clogging
the
streets
and
taking
all
the
parking.
So
in
my
mind,
I
have
always
associated
residential
permit
parking
with
the
need
being
generated
because
there
is
a
destination.
It's
either
a
metro
station
people
are
driving
to
or
wanting
access
to,
or
it's
an
entertainment
center
or
it's
a
you
know,
a
Penrose
Square
shopping
area.
B
It
is
never,
in
my
mind,
have
been
associated
with
strictly
a
residential
neighborhood.
Unless
one
of
these
attractors
you
know,
was
nearby,
and
that
may
not
be
exactly
the
case.
Maybe
it's
because
of
commercial
vehicle
parking.
You
know
or
something
like
that,
may
be
different.
But
in
my
mind
that
was
the
genesis
of
this
was
that
there
was
something
there
that
people
were
driving
to
and
wanting
to
use
the
street
for,
and
not
just
all
the
people
that
lived
there.
So
that
to
me
is
something
that's.
B
J
Just
interject
here
that
I
think
there
was
an
important
shift
that
took
place
in
the
program
in
2002
when,
as
Steven
noted,
that
the
first
zones
were
created
by
board
ordinance
that
provided
for
overnight
parking
and
I
think
one
of
the
things
that
might
be
useful
for
us
to
do,
even
though,
as
mr.
Krim
said,
there's
it's
hard
to
discern
what's
the
driver,
but
we
might
be
able
to
get
a
little
bit
of
information
hours
of
restriction
that
were
being
requested.
That
might
tell
us
a
bit
about
the
motivation
there
right.
I
K
I
can
interject
the
policy
is
written
to
address
the
commuter
problem,
but
residents
are
intending
it
to
use
it
if
you're
in
a
single-family
home
neighborhood
if
there's
multi-family
homes
that
they
feel
are
encroaching
upon
them.
This
is
also
why
we've
received
so
many
applications
that
have
failed
because
they
don't
meet
this
criteria
when
they
petition
us.
It
is
their
neighbors
parking
on
their
street,
but
we
go
through
the
process
with
them,
and
so
we
just
need
an
updated
policy
that
clarifies.
Is
this
a
valid
use
of
our
pee-pee.
I
F
Stay
there
for
a
minute,
because
I'm
a
little
confused
about
this
conversation,
so
the
ordinance
is,
as
you
mentioned
in
the
beginning,
it's
so
all-inclusive
of
just
about
everything
it
gives
anybody
who
has
an
issue
license
to
seek
this
program
as
a
remedy,
so
I
didn't
quite
understand
the
whole
idea.
Yes,.
J
D
D
B
I
Okay,
I,
really
like
the
very
beginning
which
she
quoted
from
our
curb
space,
is
owned
by
the
community
and
must
be
managed
for
the
greatest
public
benefit.
I
mean
that's
kind
of
to
me
that
maybe
is
the
overall.
What
should
set
what
the
goal
of
this
is
and
I
think
over
time.
It's
become
that
curb
space
is
owned
by
whoever
happens
to
live
right
there
and
it's
gonna
be
managed
for
the
greatest
public
benefit.
I
Certainly
other
communities
have
this
so
I'd
be
interested
in
that,
and
then,
when
you
talked
about
all
the
kind
of
surveys
and
gathering
of
information
thinking
about
particularly
say
the
Arlington
Mills
situation,
I
think
you
need
people
on
the
street
with
clipboards.
Probably
speaking
Spanish
talking
to
people,
because
if
you
just
do
online-
and
you
know
these
other
kind
of
I-
think
there's
a
whole
segment
of
population
you're
not
going
to
catch.
So
that's
just
a
thought
on
that
one!
That's
it.
B
F
I
was
wondering
if
now
would
be
a
good
time
to
maybe
get
an
answer
to
a
question
I
raised
earlier
about
the
different
types
of
you
know:
permit
programs
that
we
have
in
place.
We've
got
the
8:00
to
5:00.
You've
got
the
6:00
to
midnight
and
I've
seen
relatively
recently
in
the
last
year,
or
so
the
you
know
two
hours
unless
you're
a
resident
of
the
zone.
Can
you
just
give
us
an
overview
of
all
of
the
different
things
that
we
offer.
D
There
are
many
iterations
of
the
hours
of
enforcement
that
are
out
there
right
now,
the
standard
ones
that
are
on
our
permit
form.
Our
petition
are
8:00
to
5:00
Monday
to
Friday,
then
8:00
to
5:00,
Saturday
and
Sunday,
then
also
5:00
p.m.
to
1:00
a.m.
Monday
through
Friday
and
the
same
hours
on
Saturday
and
Sunday
communities
are
blocks.
D
Sometimes
requests
deviation
from
that
and,
as
with
any
policy
that
is,
there
is
an
option
to
get
our
separate
from
that,
but
those
are
the
ones
that
are
laid
out
as
standard,
though
there
are
cases
that
just
is
a
one-off.
Maybe
something
was
approved
years
ago
with
different
hours
and
those
are
still
there
in
terms
of
the
2
hour,
exception,
you're
right
that
does
happen
in
some
districts,
one
of
them's
actually
right
here
in
zone
4
and
Colonial
Village.
F
Now
so
that
leads
to
a
question.
I
would
think
that
to
deal
with
the
come
issue,
you
know
getting
back
to
sort
of
roots
and
really
what
we're
trying
to
protect.
If
we
want
to
use
that
word,
that
seems
like
a
useful
tool
to
balance
not
allowing
people
to
park
here
as
they
go
into
work
versus
not
not
allowing
people
to
come
on
a
block
that
has
nobody
on
it
for
an
hour
to
clean
a
house
to
care
for
a
child
to
pick
up
an
elder
or
to
do
something
else.
F
That's
just
routine
business,
so
I
would
hope
that
maybe
moving
forward,
we
would.
We
would
investigate
that
option
a
little
bit
more
and
get
a
lot
of
feedback
on
on
that.
It's
certainly
very
popular
with
our
neighbors
across
the
river.
It's
what
they
do
and
I
think
most
of
their
their
their
zone,
RPP
areas
so
hope.
We
would
study
that
intensely
good,
miss.
E
Garvey
and
I
were
just
talking
about
you
know:
is
there
a
way
to
solve
the
the
commuter
problem
without
overcorrecting
into
neighbor
versus
neighbor,
and
do
do
we
know
anything
about
the
the
legality
of
and
I?
Would
this
would
be
something
to
explore?
Not
something
at
this
point
I'd
be
recommending,
but
simply
saying
no
restrictions
for
anyone
with
an
Arlington
registration
sticker.
So
as
long
as
you
are
in
Arlington
Ian
you
you
can
park
wherever,
but
there
are
restrictions.
L
I
would
say
that
it
depends
on
those
particular
circumstances.
I
mean
part.
You
know
the
the
and
I
know
a
comment
was
made
that
we're
straying
from
the
purposes
the
purposes
of
the
Supreme
Court
laid
out
are
plentiful,
but
it's
kind
of
like
that.
They
sort
of
it's
like
a
melange
of
rationales,
for
why
you
would
do
this
that
each
each
each
of
the
things,
the
Supreme
Court,
articulated
we're
not
necessarily
independent
basis
for
creating
a
district,
but
they
were
all
the
things
that
are
served
when
you
do
create
one.
L
You
know
it's
like:
reduction
of
air
pollution
and
crime
and
all
sorts
of
things
in
addition
to
sort
of
squeezing
out
the
residents
parking
because
commuters
or
business
parking
is
occurring.
So
it's
a
whole.
It's
a
whole
array
of
different
things,
so
to
create
a
wholesale
exemption
for
all.
Arlington
residents
may
actually
not
accomplish
your
purpose,
because
you
I'm
sure
they
have
found
instances
where
folks
from
parts
of
Arlington.
L
E
An
interesting
one
potentially
to
explore
it
I
think
as
mr.
McArthur
collude,
it's
probably
not
the
appropriate
solution
everywhere,
but
knowing
that
that
could
be
one
one
tool
or
I
want
to.
Thank
you.
I
wanted
to
make
just
a
couple
of
remarks
on
different
topics.
One
we
just
prompted
with
mr.
Vyse
has
questions
about
sort
of
multifamily
impacts
and
as
I
mr.
crimini,
your
presentation
talked
about
the
widespread
perception
that,
whether
true
or
not,
that
multi-family
are
sort
of
quote
causing
these
problems.
It
puts
me
in
mind
a
little
bit.
E
Actually
the
situation
we've
seen
with
dramatic
increases
in
student
population
that
for
a
long
time
there
was
a
misperception
that
that
was
coming
from
additional
multifamily
unit
and
in
fact,
that
misperception
perhaps
prevented
us
from
from
getting
our
arms
around
the
problem
sooner
and
realizing.
Actually
it
was
the
other
major
change
and
residential
trends,
which
is
the
replacement
of
small
houses
with
very
large
ones.
So,
I
don't
know
if
we
have
any
data
I'm,
almost
not
sure
what
the
data
would
be.
E
That
would
indicate
whether
this
increasing
demand
is
coming
from
larger
single-family
homes,
but
to
that
to
the
extent
that
is
a
seed
that
I
can
plant
I
would
be
really
interested
in
exploring
you
know.
I
know
we're
really
concerned
about
multifamily
developers,
not
externalizing
the
costs
of
parking,
but
is
it
possible
that
single-family
home
developers
are
externalizing
the
cost
of
parking
on
de
streets
by
not
providing
sufficient
garages
etc,
because
I'd
like
to
build
more
house
and
so
forth
anyway?
E
I
think
one
of
the
lessons
that
we
learned
from
from
trying
to
dig
into
that
source
of
the
student
population
boom
was
that
really
understanding
that
the
changes
in
the
single-family
home
dynamics
can
sometimes
be
instructive,
even
if
the
temptation
is
great
to
point
a
finger
at
all
the
multi-family.
The
only
other
comment
I
wanted
to
make
was
regarding
the
work
plan,
review
and
I.
Don't
I.
E
E
The
residents
who
do
participate,
the
board,
really
feel
like
can
guide
us,
because
I
think
you
know
the
second,
this
process
concludes
and
and
the
more
term
if
we
do
decide
to
pursue
that
is
lifted,
there
will
be
people
engaging
who
have
not
been
part
of
this
process
at
all
and
and
I
think.
The
best
product
of
this
is
not
again
a
consensus
among
the
people
who
do
participate,
but
a
set
of
principles
that
we
really
can
all
feel
are
very
fair
to
those
people
who
next
engage.
If.
D
I
may
just
add
some
information
on
that,
because
you
bring
up
a
very
good
point.
Deliberative
dialogue
is
not
something
that
can
be
done
on
a
massive
scale,
given
the
cost
and
time
required.
So
you
bring
up
very
good
points.
We
are
looking
at
the
deliberative
dialogues
as
basically
a
small
group
exercise
in
the
in
the
and
the
the
job
of
staff
is
to
make
sure
that
it
brings
together
lots
of
different
people
within
the
community.
D
But
the
point
is
not
necessarily
that
those
people
we
could
then
say
well,
they
reach
this
agreement,
there's
a
liver
dialogue.
So
that's
what
you
should
do
we're
looking
at
this
more
as
well,
what
happens
to
Arlen
Toni
ins
when
they
get
together
and
hear
these
different
opinions,
because
we
don't
have
the
opportunity
to
go
to
all
90
300
per
you
know,
participating
households
and
get
them
involved.
We
can
certainly
send
them
household
surveys.
We
can
invite
them
to
comment,
but
one
of
the
examples
of
this
format
that
I
thought
was
very
useful
and
instructive.
D
But
what
happens
to
that
viewpoint
when
you
get
new
information
and
you're
with
the
same
group
of
people
for
say
half
a
day
whole
day,
so
I
would
look
at
it
as
a
piece
of
our
engagement
strategy.
That
is
not
meant
to
generate
the
principles
or
generate
policy
direction,
but
as
another
type
of
information
where,
since
we
can't
get
everyone
into
physical
one
on
one
group
conversation
it's
an
example
or
a
sample
of
you
hear
all
these
other
opinions
through
our
wider
outreach
and
you'll
hear
these
things.
D
F
Just
like
I
love,
the
deliberative
dialogues,
piece
of
this,
it
is
getting
us
away
from
the
consensus.
Building
approach
was
it,
which
is
what
I
think
you
don't
want
to
do
with
the
RPP
program,
moving
forward,
I
think
what
we
clearly
know
is
that
a
one
size
fits
all
or
a
you
know
something
that
sort
of
works
at
a
baseline
level,
for
everyone
is
probably
likely
going
to
create
some
circumstances
where
people
are
less
than
satisfied
with
the
results.
So
I
think
this
is
a
really
good
way
to
engage
people
and
thinking
about
it.
F
So
I
definitely
encourage
that
immensely,
and
you
know
mr.
crystal
I
think
brought
up
a
great
point
before
about
getting
getting
to
where
these
issues
are
coming
from,
to
the
extent
that
we
are
exceeding
new
and
increased
issues,
I
think
you
said
in
your
presentation,
mr.
Krim,
that
the
number
of
people
participating
in
in
the
in
the
paid
products
is
decreasing.
F
Number
of
people,
the
share
of
people
who
were
paying
for
products
has
decreased,
which
is
there
another
way
to
think
about
that.
Or
does
that
mean
that
we're
probably
not
seeing
people
parking
or
well
nevermind
I'm
not
going
to
draw
any
conclusions,
because
it
could
mean
a
few
different
things,
but
I
did
want
to
before
I
lost
it.
I
did
want
to
make
mention
something
that
I
think
miss
Garvey
alluded
to,
and
that
is
the
ability
to
think
about
different
numbers
of
passes
and
maybe
different
prices
for
passes
depending
on
the
street
conditions
and
circumstances.
F
I.
Think
that's
something
at
the
very
least
ought
to
be
a
part
of
what
we
float
in
deliberative
dialogues
and
and
putting
out
there
for
public
consumption.
The
whole
idea
that
this
program
would
work
a
little
bit
differently
and
people
would
be
able
to
get
passes
a
little
bit
differently
depending
on
the
actual
conditions
of
their
street,
and
you
know
I
may
not
make
me
the
most
popular
guy
in
the
world,
but
it
sounds
like
the
right
thing
to
at
least
explore
John.
B
A
You
this
really
is
a
fascinating,
multifaceted
discussion
and
I
just
want
to
I
mentioned
how
I
think
we
need
to
reach
out
to
the
business
community.
I
also
want
to
make
sure
that
at
least
as
a
sidebar
or
a
footnote,
we
don't
forget
also
that
we
are
right
now
and-
and
this
is
a
fairly
new
phenomenon-
we're
also
dealing
with
parking
in
the
context
of
our
recently
enacted
home
state
platform,
legislation,
air,
B&B
and
and
so
forth.
You
know
what
what
are
we
seeing
there
in
terms
of
parking
manifestations?
A
B
I
I
did,
and
so
I've
just
been
thinking
a
little
bit
about
the
deliberative
conversations
and
dialogues.
I,
really
like
the
idea-
and
this
may
be
totally
off-base,
because
I
don't
understand
exactly
how
it
works.
But
thinking
about
what
miss
Krystal
said
about
people
are
not
gonna
engage
until
it
actually
refers
to
them.
So
do
we
maybe
want
to
place
those
deliberative
dialogues
further
along
in
the
process?
In
other
words,
it's
feeling
a
little
bit
like
this
is
an
issue
where
we
got
to
figure
out
what
the
principles
are.
I
We
got
to
figure
out
what
the
right
things
are
to
do
and
we
can
get
some
surveys
and
some
information,
but
we
maybe
need
to
take
a
bit
of
a
leadership,
get
it
to
a
point
where
it's
sort
of
partly
cooked
along
and
then
when
people
can
see
how
it's
gonna
affect
them,
hold
those
deliver,
dialogues
and
I'm
in
part
thinking
about
obviously
Arlington
mill
and
parkland
right.
A
perfect
example
of
a
group
that
probably
needs
one
of
these
dialogues
and
that's.
I
D
I
may
just
add
some
information.
Cuz
brevity
is
the
soul
of
wit,
but
I
did
go
rather
quickly
over
what
we
have
as
an
idea
for
this.
The
I
take
what
you
say
about
the
deliberative
dialogues
and
in
the
order
of
the
tools.
I
think
that's
actually
like
something
we
should
look
at
and
whether
or
not
there's
like
a
more
of
an
all-call
online
comment.
Random
household
survey
first,
because
it
gets
people
engaged
in
a
more
general
way.
D
First,
so
I
think
that's
definitely
something
that
we
should
look
at
in
terms
of
other
forms
of
engagement,
though
I
just
want
to
bring
you
back
to
the
phases
of
this.
So
there
is
a
part
where
you
know.
What's
on
this
screen
is
meant
to
explore
principles,
big
issues
of
fairness,
how
things
are
working
aren't
working,
but
the
idea
is
to
bring
that
back
to
you
as
a
board
and
I
have
work
session,
but
maybe
it's
maybe
it's
a
meeting
agenda
item
or
some
some
other
format
to
get
direction
on
the
big
picture.
D
This
is
what
this
program
should
Eve.
This
is
the
the
outline.
This
is
the
bounce
within
you
within
which
you
work.
The
idea,
then,
is
to
work
with
a
working
group
to
hammer
out
the
more
detailed
okay.
This
is
how
we
administer
this,
and
this
is
how
we
make
the
functional
decisions
of
whether
something
is
in
or
out
and
so
on
and
so
forth.
D
C
I
did
want
to
add
one
thing
which
actually,
as
we
talked
about
the
dialogues,
it's
something
that
we
haven't
highlighted
in
the
slides
but
I
think
it's
very
important,
which
is
that
county
staff,
the
people
sitting
here
and
actually
out
here-
are
the
parking
program
to
do
these
deliberative
dialogues
and
to
do
some
of
this
analysis
is
going.
I
will
have
to
come
back
to
the
board
and
ask
for
additional
funds
for
some
consultants.
C
I
can't
even
tell
you
the
scope
of
that
request
right
now
and
that's
going
to
be
important
and
also
part
and
parcel
of
that.
Another
piece
of
the
conversation
when
we're
talking
about
the
pricing
of
passes
and
permits
has
been
I,
don't
know
what
the
discussion
was
in
the
past,
but
whether
this
program
and
whether
these
efforts
should
pay
for
itself
whether
this
is
something
that
should
be
seen
as
purely
fee
based
because
it
benefits
those
people
who
get
it
or
whether
it
should
be
something
more
appropriately
treated
as
a
countywide
benefit.
C
I
A
So,
along
those
lines,
mr.
Schwartz
I
think
it'd
be
helpful
to
have
some
more
conversation
and
feedback
with
respect
to
the
whole
area
of
enforcement,
in
other
words
the
cost
of
enforcement,
what
enforcement
brings
in
in
terms
of
revenues
and
also
just
the
administration
of
enforcement?
You
mentioned
the
Commissioner
of
the
revenue
des
the
police.
How
is
that
working
or
not
working,
and
how
can
it
work
better
if
we're
going
to
be
true
to
the
to
the
goals
of
the
program?
Thank
you.
If.
B
You
could
I'm
gonna,
try
to
tie
this
part
of
the
discussion
of
for
the
work
session
up
and
then
go
to
the
last
two
items,
but
the
screen
on
the
screen
to
me
that
that's
very
useful.
It
is
an
outline.
It's
vague,
vague
enough
to
be
useful,
but
vague
enough
to
be
a
little
scary.
There
are
no
timelines
on
this
particular.
B
I
D
B
That's
all
I
think
it's
just
helpful
to
get
a
bit
of
a
timeline
on
it.
19
2019,
so
that
board
work
session,
I
mean
if
you
were.
Let's
just
focus
on
that
one,
because
I
think
generally
the
idea
of
data
gathering,
then
the
idea
of
public
engagement
I,
like
the
idea
that
you
set
up
the
you're
really
focusing
on
the
principles.
First,
we've
done
that
in
a
number
of
planning
processes,
where
you
first
sort
of
get
that
framework
is
what
we
might
call
it
with
principles.
B
Then
you
put
the
meat
on
the
bones,
but
getting
that
is
very
important
and
critical.
So
when
and
I
agree
with
you
that
having
a
board
work
session,
I
think
for
this
board,
that
would
be
the
right
venue
to
do
it,
but
that
timeline
might
be
useful
to
just
lay
out,
because
you
know
you
have
a
budget
season
and
everything
else
does
it
make
sense,
maybe
to
be
around
next
May
or
June.
D
B
D
I
think,
obviously,
every
phasing
can
certainly
change.
I
think
that,
for
us,
the
scan
of
practices
there
is
meant
to
be
more
functional,
so
what
technologies
are
used
to
administer
it?
What
criteria
are
used
like
what
kinds
of
verification
tools
are
you
using
and
so
on?
There
is
a
portion
in
phase
one
where,
and
this
was
important,
because
we
think
that
they
they
scan
that
you
see
is
being
later.
That
is
something
that
we
could
chunk
out
very
easily
to
a
consultant,
but
the
more.
What
do
other
communities
say
about?
D
D
As
has
been
alluded,
there's
a
lot
of
work
to
be
done
and
Mark
has
a
recommendation
here.
Yes,
all
right,
okay,
so
what
the
manager
is
recommending
is
that
we
Institute
moratorium
related
to
new
zones
until
such
time
as
the
review
is
complete,
here's
what
that
would
entail,
as
I
said,
actually
just
now,
it
would
last
until
the
end
of
the
review
period.
The
program
would
continue
to
function
as
it
sits
now
through
that
entire
period.
Therefore,
next
year
people
will
still
have
their
annual
renewal.
D
Anybody
who
moves
into
the
county
into
an
eligible
household
will
be
able
to
get
their
new
materials
tomorrow
next
week.
All
we're
saying
is
that
there
will
be
no
additions
of
blocks
or
changes
of
hours
until
the
review
is
completed.
Also,
any
petitions
that
are
out
with
residents
but
have
yet
to
be
returned
to
us
will
not
be
processed.
So
basically,
the
program
comes
to
a
close
or
is
not
altered.
D
Beginning
now,
and
the
reasons
for
doing
this
are
basically
just
to
allow
the
staff
support
that
we
need
to
effectively
carry
out
the
work
plan
that
we've
talked
about
again.
I'll
remind
you
of
the
staff
time
that's
required
to
process
each
petition
and
the
time
that
could
then
instead
be
spent
on
things
like
community
engagement
and
data
analysis
and
preparing
for
all
the
different
processes
that
we'll
have
as
part
of
the
review.
I'll.
B
J
Other
the
other
piece
of
it
that
is
very
important
about
the
that's
motivating.
The
request
for
the
moratorium
is
that
we
don't
want
to
the
extent
that
the
our
that
there
are
challenges,
as
we've
tried
to
articulate
that
are
created
by
the
the
way
the
program
is
meant
administered.
Now
we
don't
want
to.
We
don't
want
to
allow
those
problems
to
be
exacerbated
either
by
creating
new
zones
that
that
have
the
same
challenge
profile
or
even
in
a
neighborhood
like
in
in
zone
24,
every
block
that
gets
added
to
zone
24.
J
So
this
is
the
Forest
Glen
Arlington
Mill
situation.
Every
block
that
gets
added
to
the
zone
means
that
there's
less
available
parking
for
the
people
that
are
now
have
have
an
inability
to
park
on
the
street.
So
that's
sort
of
a
little
microcosm
of
why
the
moratorium
is
important
and
it
could
perhaps
impact
other
areas
that
we
don't
know
about
yet
I.
B
D
A
That
may
be
I
can
understand.
But
how
did
how
would
you
plan
to
get
the
word
out
to
those
communities
who
again
had
you
know,
took
on,
took
this
upon
themselves
with
a
certain
expectation
that
it
would
be
processed,
it
would
rise
or
fall
depending
on
the
quality
of
the
application
and
the
metrics?
How
are
you
going
to
deal
with
them
in
in
in
a
transparent
manner
that.
C
Which
is
that
there's
a
moratorium
by
its
nature,
I
haven't
studied
moratoria,
none
expert
on
it,
but
there
is
an
element
of
unfairness
to
it
because
you're
drawing
a
line
somewhere.
So
there
will
be
someone
who
will
someone
or
some
group
of
people
who
will
feel
aggrieved
so
and
I
I'm.
You
know
this
is
my
recommendation.
C
This
is
what
I'm
gonna
do
if
a
majority
of
the
board
wants
to
draw
the
line
at
a
different
place,
I
would
be
open
to
that
and
would
follow
through
on
that,
but
those
people,
for
example,
in
a
group
that
have
worked
very,
very
hard
and
that
may
be
one
signature
Swart
and
are
listening
tonight
and
are
scurrying
around
to
get
it
and
send
it
by
FedEx.
Tomorrow
morning
you
know
they're
gonna
be
disadvantaged,
someone's
gonna
be
disadvantaged
and
you
have
to
draw
the
line
somewhere.
So
there.
C
This
I
would
call
sort
of
a
staff
period
where
the
the
applications
are
simply
they're.
Put
aside,
as
work
is
done
to
issue
the
permits
to
go
to
people,
so
it's
in
fact
there
isn't
work
done
on
it,
but
that
doesn't
mean
the
community
isn't
pursuing.
You
know
the
gathering
of
signatures
during
that
period
during.
K
B
B
Review
going
on,
you
probably
will
get
50%
more
than
you
would
have
otherwise
gotten
I,
don't
know
how
you
had
in
fact
do
the
work
I
just
don't
think
it's
humanly
possible.
So
knowing
that
we've
we've
all
sat
here
and
identified
a
good
number
of
concerns
or
questions
that
have
either
we
feel
or
that
we've
relayed,
because
we've
heard
them
elsewhere,
I
don't
see
how
we
continue
without
a
moratorium
as
as
you've
recommended
mr.
Kristol
trying.
E
To
wrap
my
head
around
a
little
bit
between
a
relationship
with
the
moratorium
and
then
the
the
implementation
of
new
parking
minimums
for
site
plans.
Mr.
Krim,
you
made
a
point.
I
thought
was
really
helpful:
that
the
rationale
about
likely
at
least
what
you're
recommending
now
is
that
the
site
plan
buildings
will
probably
still
be
excluded
and
the
rationale
is
a
little
bit
less.
You
know
people
who
live
in
multifamily
shouldn't
get
to
park
on
the
streets
that
you
know.
Quote-Unquote
belong
to
single-family.
E
So
if
this
moratorium
is
in
place
and
site
plans
move
forward
without
with
lower
parking
minimums
or
there's
still
places
in
the
county,
you
know
sort
of
adjacent
to
you
know
highly
developed
corners
where
we
see
site
plans
where
actually
new
residential
permit
parking
programs
could
could
help
kind
of
enforce
those
expectations
of
the
goal
of
the
residential
or
the
reduced
parking
minimums.
I,
don't
know
if
this
is
this
distinction
is
making
sense,
but
I
it
does
make
sense.
So
if
you
could
respond
to
it,
yeah.
H
H
If
you
look
at
the
RV
corridor,
continuous
on
both
sides,
basically
all
just
about
all
of
our
rural
Highlands
and
Arlington
Ridge
on
down
the
hill
is
already
in
RPP,
and
it's
been
an
RPP
for
a
long
time,
and
I
can
speak
for
somebody
that
lives
in
one
of
those
districts.
The
streets
are
empty.
During
the
day
a
there
is
actually
very
little
spillover
and
and
we've
looked
we're
very
familiar
with
the
conditions
on
street
in
those
older
RPP
districts
they
actually,
they
certainly
serve.
The
commuter
spillover
issue
pretty
well
bottom.
E
I
You
on
the
moratorium,
I
think
absolutely
really
because
I
mean
if
you,
if
you
want
to
sum
it
up
tonight
in
a
way
we
have
a
program
that
no
longer
we're
not
quite
sure
what
the
purpose
is
and
we're
not
quite
sure
what
the
effect
is.
But
we
know
it's
been
causing
a
lot
of
trouble
for
some
people,
and
you
know
it's
maybe
working
well
in
some
places,
but
the
possibility
of
causing
harm
seems
quite
major
right
now.
I
I
If
you
can
assure
me
that
the
unintended
consequences
will
not
hurt
a
lot
of
people,
then
I
would
really
consider
going
head
moving
doing
that
one,
but
the
there
there's
this
aspect
of
fairness
and
I
get
that
that
people
have
done
all
this
work,
but
we're
finding
that
this
program
is
having
very
inequitable
outcomes
for
people
and
is,
by
its
very
nature,
often
unfair.
So
we're
just
balancing
unfairness
and
as
I
say,
because
we're
really
not
clear
about
the
purpose
right
now
and
we're
not
clear
about
the
effects
it
feels
to
me
like.
B
A
Yeah
I
guess
my
perspective
is
number
one.
I.
Certainly
don't
think
that
the
the
petitioners
who
have
already
filed
their
full
application
and
that
that
all
that
needs
to
be
done
is
for
processing
I,
don't
think
it's
fair
to
pull
the
rug
out
from
under
them.
I
think
they
ought
to
be
processed
I
support
the
concept
of
a
matter
of
a
moratorium.
I
understand
the
rationale
for
it.
I
just
think
that
there
ought
to
be
some
sort
of
of
announcement.
A
I,
don't
know
30
days,
60
days,
90
days,
something
so
that
so
that
neighborhoods
have
a
chance.
They've
been
they've,
they've
they've
been
operating
under
one
one
set
of
expectations
and
now
tonight,
for
the
first
time
we're
discussing
this
in
an
open
forum
with
the
public
and
then
all
of
a
sudden,
we're
saying
you
know
sorry
you're,
you're,
free
in
time
come
back
in
two
years,
maybe
and
maybe
you'll
fit
the
the
new
contours
of
whatever
the
RPP
is
at
that
time.
A
So
it
would
be
my
personal
perspective
that
we
say
60
days
or
90
days,
give
folks
an
opportunity
to
have
them
in
point
out
that
it
may
take
a
while
to
get
them
processed.
But
I.
Don't
think
that
we
that
we
toss
them
out
the
window
after
they
have
have
spent
time
and
energy
and
and
have
certain
expectations.
So.
A
D
D
K
Five
and
only
one
ended
up
passing,
so
even
this
completed
petition,
we
would
have
to
complete
the
surveys
to
see
if
they
would
pass
their
criteria
and
it's
likely
that
they
might
not
pass
depending
so
some
of
the
outstanding
petitions,
the
fifteen.
They
might
not
complete
them
within
the
year's
time
so
that
they
might
not
be
valid.
After
all,
we
provide
them
to
the
residents
and
then
it's
up
to
them
to
get
the
sixty
percent.
K
B
I
A
I
And
I'm
still
back
where
I
am
that
what's
become
clear?
Is
we
don't
know
what
the
purpose
of
the
program
really
is,
and
we
don't
know
what
its
effects
are,
except
it
is
harming
some
people
so
that
we're
gonna
move
forward
with
these
may
not
if
we
use
the
old
standards
which
you've
got
to
use
and
we've
already
decided,
they're,
probably
not
good,
we're
gonna
be
causing
more
harm
and
I
know.
I
F
May
I
just
like
to
associate
myself
with
the
moving
forward
with
the
moratorium
as
presented
in
an
unqualified
way.
It's
the
only
way
that
makes
sense.
If
you
know
you
said
it
for
some
stage
moving
forward,
you
really
don't
have
a
moratorium
so
to
speak
and
I
think
that
the
whole
point
that
just
because
a
petition
has
been
qualified
to
be
reviewed
doesn't
mean
that
it's
just
simply
a
routine
pro
forma
matter
to
review,
and
it's
not
processing.
It's
performing
these
surveys.
It's
a
lot
of
work.
It's
a
lot
of
time.
F
I
think
it
would
be
equally
unfair
to
go
through
that
process
for
a
program.
Then
we
have
all
intent
of
modifying
to
some
degree,
so
I
would
hate,
even
if,
if
this
were
to
meet
all
of
our
metrics
to
be
qualified
for
a
limited
period
of
year
and
a
half
or
two
years
would
be
to
me
just
as
cruel
as
not
proceeding
with
it.
So
you
know
at
some
point.
We
have
to
recognize
that
at
the
core.
This
is
not
something
that
residents
of
a
block
own.
F
It's
the
community's
public
right-of-way
and
curb
space
and
taking
ownership.
Asserting
ownership
of
that
is
just
a
reflection
of
our
plans
and
policies,
and
it
is
of
course
disappointing
for
people
who
have
worked
under
a
certain
set
of
expectations,
but
it
was
never
their
right
to
have
too
of
the
curb
space
governed
according
to
the
will
of
their
petitions.
F
It
was
always
the
county
government,
through
the
county
manager,
who
was
going
to
determine
what
was
the
appropriate
remedy
for
whatever
problem
was
identified,
we
are
essentially
telling
our
community
we're
going
to
take
a
couple
of
years
to
make
sure
we're
fully
getting
this
right
so
that
we
can
properly
manage
a
public
asset.
On
your
behalf
and
to
me
a
moratorium
that
starts
today
is
the
only
way
to
go
ahead
and
do
that.
B
E
Think
I'm
actually
somewhere
a
little
closer
to
the
minority
here,
which
is
just
you
know,
I
think
about
the
fact
that
we
we
that
the
act
of
petitioning
and
and
collecting
signatures
of
your
neighbors
and
sort
of
going
door-to-door
and
making
the
case
for
something
that
you
want
to
see.
Change
about
your
neighborhood
I
mean
this
is
a
behavior
that
we
praised
all
the
time
in
context
of
neighborhood
conservation,
for
example,
and
I
am
a
little
uncomfortable.
E
Just
with
the
notion
you
know,
having
a
petition
out
can
mean
anything
from
being
five
signatures
short
of
having
talked
to
a
hundred
neighbors,
or
it
could
mean
you
got
the
petition
from
the
office
yesterday
and
have
sat
on
it
and
haven't
done
much
work,
and
so
you
know
I
would
almost
propose
something
like
if
people
giving
people
another
few
weeks
right.
If
it's
a
matter
of
simply
wrapping
up
your
petition
and
in
light
of
what
you've
heard
from
this
board,
knowing
that,
as
mr.
E
Dorsey
said,
this
petition-
may
only
you
know
if
successful
apply
for
a
couple
of
years
until
the
program
changes
that
people
do
feel
strongly
enough
and
have
done,
then
the
neighborhood
building
work
enough
I
hate
to
penalize
that
you
know
this
is
in
service
of
an
end.
That
I
think
is
certainly
more,
as
we've
all
said,
more
problematic,
and
then
it
ends
like
neighborhood
conservation,
but
consternation
about.
B
Fair
enough,
let's
just
get
the
sense
of
the
majority
of
the
board
now,
because
I
think
there
is
a
lot
of
I'm
gonna
associate
myself
with
miss
Garvey
and
mr.
Dorsey,
primarily
because
we've
just
spent
an
hour
identifying
some
of
the
concerns
we
have
and
the
concerns
we
hear
in
the
community
and
the
last
thing
I
would
want
to
do
while
I
appreciate
this
has
been
a
program
in
place
for
a
while
it's
evolved
and
there
are
both
positive
and
negative
consequences.
B
It's
time
to
reassess
it
and
put
it
on
hold,
in
my
view,
and
if
I'm,
if
I'm,
counting
correctly
miss
Garvey
mr.
Dorsey
and
I
in
particular,
are
comfortable
with
what
the
managers
put
forward
recognizing
there's.
You
know
validity
to
some
of
the
other
comments,
but
weighing
everything
that
I
think
you
have
the
the
majority
of
the
board
willing
to
support
that.
The
last
question
on
the
agenda
is
the
Arlington
Mill,
no
more
on
that.
A
B
B
J
You
know
for
the
general
public
information
and
I'm
happy
to
answer
any
questions.
The
we
had
been
getting
questions
from
board
members
just
like
give
us
an
update
on
what's
happening
in
zone
24,
which
is
the
Forest
Glen
Arlington
Mill
area,
because
there
was
still
one
last
effort
that
we
had
been
making
to
see
if
we
could
add
parking
on
the
east
side
of
Arlington,
South,
Arlington,
Mill
Road
and
after
discussions
with
the
fire
department,
extensive
discussions
with
the
fire
department,
they
determined
that
they're
not
comfortable
with
adding
parking
on
that
side.
J
So
we
had,
we
had
looked
at.
We've
looked
multiple
times
that
adding
parking
spaces
at
in
various
locations
and
did
that
a
couple
of
years
ago,
where
in
those
few
instances
where
there
was
the
opportunity
to
do
that
in
this
latest
round,
we
looked
at
the
wider
streets
and
whether
there
was
an
opportunity
to
put
diagonal
parking
on
any
of
them.
None
of
that
was
supported
by
the
fire
department
and
then.
Lastly,
this
issue
of
South
Arlington,
Mill
Road,
so
we've
pursued
all
of
those
opportunities
in
terms
of
remaining
options.
J
Each
of
the
options
that
we
could
identify
would
result
in
a
departure
from
our
normal
practice
and
the
one
that
I
think
we
are
interested
in
exploring
and
I.
Don't
want
to
make
any
representations
about
what
mr.
MacIsaac
said,
especially
since
he's
here,
and
he
can
make
them
himself,
is
about
what
the
managers
administrative
authority
to
revisit
a
situation
where
there
seems
to
be
some
severe
inequity
and
I'm
speaking
specifically
of
Forest
Glen
and
Arlington
in
Arlington
mill.
So
if,
if
you
wouldn't
mind
asking
mr.
MacIsaac
to
make
the
the
representation
about
what
the
mr.
B
Mcusic,
if
you
want
to
come
up,
I
think
I
think
just
to
also
to
continue
to
frame
it,
who
we've
heard
from
a
lot
of
folks
where
some
feel
it's
really
worked
and
a
good
number
of
others
in
the
media
area
have
found.
This
has
been
an
incredible
burden
finding
on
street
parking,
and
the
board
has
asked
the
staff
to
look
into
a
range
of
options.
So
you've
looked
at
some
of
the
streets.
Could
you
put
diagonal
parking?
B
Could
you
create
more
parking
and
in
each
instance
where
there
were
seemingly
opportunities
because
of
emergency
access
and
Fire
Department
needs
they
were
not
available?
So
there
was
the
issue
of
of
still
available
parking
in
Arlington
mill
in
the
community
center.
That's
sort
of
still
out.
There
is
a
long-term
possibility,
there's
a
church
nearby
where
we
may
have
an
ability
to
help
facilitate
a
discussion
to
just
see.
L
Mr.
chairman,
members
of
the
board,
I
mean
the
way
the
ordinance
is
currently
constructed.
The
board
has
delegated
a
large
amount
of
responsibility
to
the
manager
to
determine
whether
and
how
districts
or
zones
should
be
established,
and
this
is
consistent
with
what
you've
done
in
many
of
your
parking
and
street
management
related
ordinances.
These
are,
these
are
determinations
that
are
largely
and
frequently
made
by
the
manager,
and
the
board
doesn't
really
review
it.
L
I
mean
the
board
is
obviously
aware
of
what
is
going
on
the
manager
reports
regularly
and
if
the
board
decides
it's
not
comfortable
with
that
delegation
of
authority,
it
can
always
pull
it
back,
but
as
it
currently
stands,
the
board
has
laid
out
certain
purposes
of
the
parking
zone.
You
know
ordinance
and
it
has
criteria
and
it
is
directed
the
manager
to
determine
if
certain
conditions
exist,
and
you
know
then
zones
would
be
appropriate,
but
the
manager
has
the
authority.
L
You
know
through
this
delegation
to
determine
what
tools
he's
going
to
use
to
determine
whether
those
conditions
exist.
So,
for
instance,
even
the
7525
rule.
That's
an
that's
an
administrative
policy
that
the
manager
developed.
It
isn't
necessarily
the
best
way
to
do
it.
I
think
that
you
know
it's
become
clear
that
the
manager
will
want
to
re-examine
whether
or
not
that's
really
a
precise
enough
way
in
which
to
determine
whether
or
not
the
public's
interest
is
being
met.
So
that's
one
example
of
it,
so
I
think
another
thing
that
exists
now
in
the
policies.
L
There's
nothing
said
about
how
frequently
zones
should
be
re-examined
to
determine
whether
the
criteria
still
exist
and
whether
the
geographic
boundaries
of
zone
or
have
been
appropriately
laid
out
or
whether
or
not
there's
some
modification
to
those.
Similarly,
there
may
be
some
further
assessment
or
reassessment
of
whether
the
hours
are
really
doing
the
job
so
and
those
are
all
within
the
manager's
purview.
He
can
simply
go.
Do
that
and
and
decide
what
is
best
so.
B
C
B
F
L
F
Think
it's
important
to
have
a
previous
conversation
that,
even
though
it
doesn't
it
feels
to
many
people
like
an
entitlement.
You
get
the
signature
as
you
get
your
RPP.
If
you
meet
the
criteria,
it's
important
to
know
that,
despite
all
of
that
at
any
point
in
time,
given
the
manager's
discretion
which
he
has
not
exercised,
but
always
could
that
could
go
away
so
I
think
you're,
just
in
my
opinion.
That's
further
argument
to
the
moratorium
being
effective
way
forward.
Mr.
A
I
I
would
just
you
know.
The
situation
here
is
unfortunate
because
we've
had
it,
we
had
a
neighborhood
Forest
Glen,
who
felt
very
strongly
that
the
RPP
program
would
benefit
them.
They
went
through
the
process,
they
were
awarded
the
program
and
then
there
was
unfortunately
severe
negative
consequences
with
respect
to
which
I'm
very
empathetic
in
the
adjacent
arlington
mill
community.
A
So
I
would
just
ask
the
manager
to
confirm
that
that
he
will
consider
consider
the
consequences
in
the
impacts
of
whatever,
whatever
conclusions
your
analysis
leads
to
from
both
the
perspective
of
from
the
perspective
of
both
neighborhoods.
In
other
words,
I'm
assuming
that
you're
going
to
strive
for
you
know
for
for
an
even-handed
review
and
ensure
that
the
perspectives
of
both
neighborhoods
are
duly
considered.
Absolutely.
C
A
Even
though
we're
talking
about
this
question
that
we've
had
the
answer
from
the
county,
terney
on
just
with
respect
to
these
two
neighborhoods,
I
mean,
legitimately
speaking,
there
could
be
other
neighborhoods
which,
which
you
clearly
have
this-
that
we've
confirmed
that
you
have
this
authority.
Now
I
mean.
Might
there
be
an
occasion
where
you
would
look
or
could
look
if
requested
the
impact
on
on
in
other
locations?.
C
Right
now,
I'm
unaware
of
anything
that
is
in
the
same
category,
but
absolutely
as
I
understand
what
what
the
county
attorney
has
said,
that
that
discretion
is
with
me
and
of
course
I
would
be
consulting
with
you
as
I
go
through
that,
given
that
this
process
is
now
really
gaining
a
lot
of
attention,
I
think
we're
important
to
let
people
and
know
that
we
were
doing
that
in
other
areas.
If
we
did,
we.
B
Okay,
good
questions,
I
think
in
the
end,
this
was
a
bit
of
an
Enlightenment
for
all
of
us
in
terms
of
the
optional
the
authority
that
the
manager
had
I.
Think
it's
fair
to
say
and
reiterate.
This
has
not
been
the
past
practice.
We
haven't
done
it
he's
had
the
authority,
maybe
he
didn't
know
it
now.
He
knows
it,
but
we've
not
used
it
and
I.
Think
we're
not
looking
to
use
it
a
lot.
Could
we
could
another
thing
surface
another
situation,
sure,
but
that's
not
the
interest
here.
B
The
interest
is
the
one
that
we
know
so
much
about
over
the
last
year
and
we
all
feel
quite
uncomfortable
about
one
way
or
another.
At
the
same
time,
a
two
year
review
of
the
whole
program
is
completely
appropriate
and
will
hopefully
flush
out
a
lot
of
better
solutions
and
modifications
to
the
program.
B
I
would
just
say
that
this
whole
question
reiterates
for
me
the
importance
of
building
into
the
future
a
check
back
every
so
often
because
there
has
been
a
culture
created,
because
we
haven't
done
it
that
you
can't
do
it,
and
now
we
find
out
that
it's
not
that
you
can't
do
it.
It's
just
what
we've
chosen
not
to
do
it
and
I
think
it's
quite
clear
because
of
changing
circumstances
in
any
your
neighborhood
that
somehow
this
become
part
of
the
discussion
of
the
future.
B
You
know
revisions
to
an
ordinance
so
with
that
I
think
you've
gotten
five
head
nods
on
that
one.
We
appreciate
it
we'll
look
forward
to
you
know,
hearing
where
this
goes,
and
with
that
my
colleagues,
the
August
is
over.
You
are
free
until
September,
although
there's
plenty
to
do
in
the
community,
but
some
of
us,
some
of
you,
have
vacations,
enjoy
we're
dismissed.