►
Description
No description was provided for this meeting.
If this is YOUR meeting, an easy way to fix this is to add a description to your video, wherever mtngs.io found it (probably YouTube).
A
Welcome
this
is
the
July
6
2023
meeting
of
the
Arlington
County
Planning
Commission
back
from
Recess
I'm
Jim
lantelmi,
a
member
of
the
commission
I
am
here
again
our
chair
is
purchase,
participating
remotely
and
has
asked
me
to
continue
on
as
chair
as
we
authorized
on
Monday.
A
This
is
the
planning
commission's
second
public
hearing
schedule
for
this
month
and
tonight
we
will
be
hearing
the
following
items:
4600
Fairfax,
Drive
site
plan
and
ordinances
of
vacation
associated
with
the
site;
second,
in
ordinance
to
amend,
reenact
and
re-codify
the
Arlington
County
zoning
ordinance
regarding
food,
space
and
establishments.
After
that
we
have
some
housekeeping
items
for
the
Planning
Commission
that
we
will
also
be
be
hearing.
A
First
I
have
to
share
a
few
of
the
logistical
points
for
our
virtual
participants
and
the
Commissioners
who
are
participating
remotely
tonight's
meeting
is
available
as
a
broadcast
with
closed
captioning
on
Comcast,
Xfinity
channels,
25
and
1085.,
Verizon,
FiOS
channels,
39
and
40,
and
the
County's
website.
Audio
of
tonight's
meeting
is
available
via
phone
if
Commissioners,
presenters
or
speakers
lose
internet
connectivity.
During
tonight's
meeting,
please
reconnect
To
Us
by
phone
for
other
presenters
and
speakers
joining
us
through
Microsoft
teams.
Please
keep
your
phones
and
devices
muted
until
you're
called
upon.
A
Please
turn
off
sound
to
any
other
devices
around
you
to
minimize
interference
and
please
keep
your
cameras
off
until
the
clerk
calls
on
you
to
speak.
When
called
upon
to
speak.
You
must
unmute
Yourself
by
clicking
on
the
microphone
icon
that
is
located
on
your
meeting
teams
command
bar
the
moderator
does
not
have
the
ability
to
unmute
you
once
you've
spoken.
Please
turn
your
cameras
off.
If
you
are
dialing
in
by
phone
press
star
6
to
unmute
public
speakers,
you
will
be
called
upon
by
the
clerk
at
an
assigned
time.
A
Pre-Registration
to
speak
at
tonight's
hearing
was
required.
We
are
not
able
to
accommodate
additional
speakers
will
have
two
minutes
to
comment
as
an
individual
and
three
minutes
to
comment.
As
a
representative
of
an
organization
or
a
County,
Board
appointed
Advisory
Group,
a
timer
will
be
displayed
on
the
screen
when
speaking
virtually
speakers
in
person
will
follow
the
timer
on
the
podium.
A
If
you're
dialing
in
my
phone
and
unable
to
see
the
screen,
we
will
provide
you
an
audible,
30-second
warning.
You
will
be
muted
when
your
time
has
concluded
the
meeting
chat
is
active
for
presenters
or
Commissioners
who
need
technical
assistance.
Only
please
do
not
use
the
meeting
chat
for
discussion,
public
comments,
questions
about
agenda
items
or
requests
for
more
information.
A
All
public
comment
must
be
shared
verbally
for
the
record
during
the
assigned
public
testimony
period.
Lastly,
this
is
a
public
forum.
Tonight's
meeting
will
be
recorded
and
posted
on
the
County's
website.
All
information
associated
with
tonight's
meeting,
whether
written
or
spoken,
is
subject
to
the
Virginia
Freedom
of
Information
Act
requirements.
B
Our
first
item
for
the
evening
will
begin
with
item
number
five
on
the
agenda:
the
consideration
of
the
following
actions
for
the
4600
Fairfax
Drive
site
plan
application.
We
have
this
in
two
parts:
spln
to
1-00008
and
the
ordinance
of
vacation
to
a
parcel
of
land
in
that
area.
We
have
Adam
Watson
here
our
planning
staff
to
present
this
item
this
evening.
C
Key
commissioner
on
tell
me
good
evening:
this
is
the
4600
Fairfax
Drive,
also
otherwise
known
as
the
Boston
Holiday
Inn
site
plan
and
the
associated.
So
the
first
item
that
I'll
speak
about
is
the
site
plan
Amendment
to
the
existing
site
plan
57,
followed
by
three
related
actions
for
this
ordinance
of
vacation
to
allow
for
area
to
be
used
for
density
purposes.
C
So,
to
begin,
this
site
is
located
just
west
of
the
Boston
metro
station
at
4600
and
4610
Fairfax
drive
across
from
the
the
New
Boston
Wetland
Park.
C
This
just
a
little
bit
of
background
here.
This
site
has
a
general
land
use
plan
or
glup
designation
of
medium
office
apartment
hotel
and
the
site
is
zoned
entirely
Co
2.5
mixed
use,
District,
there's
no
proposed
changes
to
the
glop
or
the
Zone
glove
designation,
or
the
zoning
District
here
and
both
are
in
alignment
with
each
other,
as
I
mentioned
a
minute
ago.
C
In
terms
of
the
applicant's
proposal,
it's
to
expand
the
site
area
by
approximately
four
thousand
square
feet
and
redevelop
the
strike
the
site
with
three
new
multi-family
residential
buildings,
as
shown
here
on
the
image
on
the
right
hand,
side
of
the
screen
building
one
is
a
multi-family
building.
That's
seven
stories
tall
with
420
units
buildings,
two
and
three,
two
to
the
north
and
three
to
the
South
are
Triplex
style,
multi-family
buildings
both
are
four
stories
and
each
have
15
units
for
a
total
of
30
units
for
buildings.
C
Two
and
three
combined
in
terms
of
parking.
The
overall
parking
ratio
for
this
site
would
be
a
0.92
spaces
per
dwelling
unit.
However,
I
think
it's
important
to
understand
that
the
the
the
the
buildings
are
essentially
bifurcated
in
terms
of
parking.
So
building
one
has
its
own
underground
parking
garage
which
is
accessed.
It
can
only
be
accessed
off
of
a
driveway
parallel
to
Fairfax
Drive
and
would
be
parked
at
a
ratio
of
0.91
spaces
per
dwelling
unit.
Buildings
two
and
three
have
individual
garages,
so
a
parking
ratio
of
one
space
per
dwelling
unit.
C
However,
there
is
an
additional
tandem
carport
behind
that
space,
so
the
effective
ratio
is
really
two
spaces
per
dwelling
unit.
The
applicant
will
also
be
constructing
and
providing
a
a
public
access
easement
for
a
new
12
foot,
wide
shared
use
path
that
runs
North
South
through
the
site
and
fulfills.
C
C
Moving
on
to
our
analysis
of
this
proposal
in
terms
of
our
regulations
and
policies,
so
moving
sort
of
General
to
specific
here,
glupno
23
actually
applies
to
the
site
adjacent
to
this
to
the
PEC
Staples
site
immediately
East.
However,
we
did
feel
it
was
appropriate
for
the
applicant
to
follow
the
guidance
provided
in
that
note,
which
speaks
to
having
appropriate
Transitions
and
building
Heights,
as
you
step
down
from
the
core
of
Boston
to
lower
density
neighborhoods
to
the
West
in
terms
of
zoning.
This
site,
as
I
mentioned,
is
Zone
Co
2.5.
C
It
allows
multi-family
residential
buildings
such
as
these
up
to
115
dwelling
units
per
acre
as
base
density
and
then
a
maximum
height
of
16
stories.
The
Boston
sector
plan
from
1980
has
no
site-specific
guidance
for
this
site.
The
existing
site
plan
preceded
the
adoption
of
the
sector
plan,
as
you
can
see
from
the
illustrative
plan
here,
on
the
right
hand,
side
of
the
screen
that
the
site
is
shown
with
existing
conditions
as
it
is
today.
C
However,
it
is
an
area
or
was
identified
as
an
area
of
transition
to
these
lower
density,
neighborhoods
and
transitions
you
know,
should
be
accomplished
through
building
Heights
tapering
Landscaping
buffering
Etc
along
similar
lines,
as
I
mentioned
for
glub
node
23..
Lastly,
in
terms
of
our
Master
Transportation
plan,
there
were
a
couple
different
policies
within
individual
elements
that
we
were
looking
at
with
regard
to
this
in
terms
of
maintaining
and
enhancing
the
grid.
C
This
project
went
through
a
substantial
Evolution
as
we
went
through
the
sprc
process.
The
image
on
the
left
hand,
side
starts
with
the
online
engagement
design
and
then
moves
through
spr3
sprc3
to
our
current
design
and
just
to
highlight
a
few
of
the
things
that
improved
along
the
way.
First,
I
point
out
again,
this
12
foot
wide
shared
use
path
that
fulfills
that
bicycle
element.
C
Recommendation
I
just
mentioned:
you'll
note
that
on
the
original
online
engagement
proposal,
that
was
a
substantially
smaller,
much
much
more
narrow
space
that
was
located
on
the
the
east
side
of
the
building
sort
of
up
against
the
property
line,
we're
having
a
an
improved
Building
height
taper,
as
we
move
to
the
western
edge
of
this
site,
which
we'll
speak
more
to
in
a
minute
we're
getting
sidewalks
and
streetscapes
along
both
sides
of
the
new
road
which
was
which
was
not
part
of
the
original
proposal.
C
I
would
also
add,
I,
didn't
I,
didn't
put
it
on
here,
but
just
in
terms
of
reducing
the
number
of
curb
Cuts
in
half
from
I,
think
it's
four
today
down
to
two
and
then
lastly,
11
and
a
half
percent
net
reduction
in
impervious
surface
over
the
existing
development.
C
We
think
it
furthers
the
goals
of
the
sector
plan
and
the
glove
in
terms
of
having
this
appropriate
Building
height
transition,
which
is
Illustrated
on
the
contextual
site
elevation
at
the
top
of
the
screen,
showing
how
you're
stepping
down
from
the
much
taller
12-story
office,
building
to
the
East
and
then
down
to
seven
stories
with
the
multi-family
down
to
four
with
the
triplexes
and
then
ultimately,
on
the
on
the
West
Air
Western
Edge
there
at
the
single
family
homes.
C
It
also
furthers
the
goals
of
the
MTP
and
the
storm
water
management
plan,
again
shared
use
path,
which
is
shown
here
in
section
the
expanded,
sidewalk
and
Trail
along
Fairfax
Drive
we're
looking
at
a
reduced
number
of
peak
hour,
vehicle
trips
for
both
AM
and
PM
and
then
again
reduced
impervious
surface
area.
C
This
is
a
side-by-side
illustration.
I,
think
that
highlights
some
of
the
positive
changes
in
terms
of
the
public
realm.
Looking
at
existing
conditions
versus
proposed
so
left
left
hand
side
of
the
screen.
We
are
standing
on
North,
Woodrow,
Street,
looking
North,
essentially
at
a
at
a
parking
structure
and
the
two
taller
towers
that
exist
today
and
with
the
proposed
condition.
Again,
we
would
have
you
know
a
multi-use
trail
through
the
site
and
also
have
a
lower
density
residential
use
along
that
path,
as
well.
C
On
the
right
hand,
side
of
the
screen
well
we're
on
Fairfax
Drive,
looking
South,
and
you
can
see
the
existing
Portico
share
today
and
the
number
of
curb
cuts
that
are
there.
So
this
this
is
a
substantial
Improvement
in
terms
of
widening
That
Sidewalk,
adding
landscaping
and
plantings
there
where
I
should
again
mention
there
is
existing
utilities,
easement
that
prevents
the
building
from
being
located
any
closer
to
to
Fairfax
Drive
than
is
currently
proposed,
so
making
good
use
of
that
space
for
public
amenities
in
terms
of
community
benefits.
C
In
terms
of
community
engagement,
we
had
our
online
engagement.
Almost
a
year
ago,
back
in
July
of
2022
and
into
August,
we
had
three
sprc
meetings,
which
is
a
one
additional
meeting
in
in
terms
of
what
we
typically
have
for
our
site
plan
of
this
nature.
The
first
one
was
dedicated
to
discussing
this
revised
conceptual
layout
that
I
showed
with
the
online
engagement,
and
then
we
moved
into
our
our
our
typical
topics
for
our
sprc
two
and
three
in
terms
of
the
commission
meetings.
C
This
was
considered
by
Transportation
Commission
on
the
29th
and
was
recommended
for
unanimous
approval.
Part
of
the
county
manager's
recommendation
recommendation
at
a
vote
of
nine
to
zero.
Just
briefly,
I
I
would
like
to
just
run
down
some
of
the
the
findings
of
our
goals
and
objectives.
Here,
I've
highlighted
many
of
these
already
in
the
presentation,
but
again
this
this.
C
This
project
would
deliver
a
new
multi-use
Trail
fulfilling
our
West
Boston
connection,
a
much
improved
streetscape,
especially
along
Fairfax
Drive,
which
is
also
used
by
a
number
of
different
users,
whether
it's
pedestrians
or
cyclists,
Sustainable,
Building,
design,
reduced
impervious
surface
area
to
to
further
our
Master
Transportation
plan
and
our
storm
water
master
plan
goals,
improved
building,
Heights
transitions
in
terms
of
having
building
Heights
that
again
taper
from
essentially
Glebe
Road
down
to
the
West
new
housing.
C
D
Good
evening,
for
the
record,
my
name
is
Kathy
puscar,
with
Walsh
Colucci
and
I'm
here
on
behalf
of
the
applicant
I
have
with
me
at
the
table.
Andrea
Gerhart
I
also
have
Mary
Beth
avadesian
and
the
rest
of
our
consultant
team
with
me
this
evening.
Mr
Watson
did
such
a
good
job
summarizing
all
the
technical
things
I'm
going
to
try
and
show
you
a
little
bit
more
of
the
site
and
the
architecture.
Next.
D
Just
to
orient
you
I'm
sure
everybody
knows
where
this
holiday
in
an
office
building
is,
but
it's
always
good
to
have
a
contextual
site
to
show
you
where
we
are
in
relation
to
our
neighbors
to
the
South
and
the
West,
those
single
family
residents
and
then,
of
course,
our
larger
mixed-use
buildings
to
the
east
of
us
and
to
the
north.
Next,
once
again,
some
existing
site
photos
of
the
lovely
office
building
and
Holiday
Inn
I
would
reiterate
that
this
is
site
plan
57
approved
in
1967.
So
it's
been
here
for
quite
a
long
time.
D
D
Here's,
an
aerial
that
just
shows
you
pretty
much-
that
this
site
has
a
lot
of
surface
parking,
structured
parking
office,
building,
Holiday,
Inn
and
then
a
disconnected
relationship
to
our
neighbors
to
the
South.
As
you
see
that
cul-de-sac
and
kind
of
the
Hammerhead
for
emergency
vehicles,
so
here
is
our
proposed
site
plan.
Mr
Watson
spent
some
time
showing
you
kind
of
where
we
started
and
where
we
are
now
I
have
to
say
we
really
loved
that
first
version
and
so
I
was
hoping.
D
Despite
some
painful
cuts
and
changes,
we
listened-
and
this
is
why
we
have
such
a
good
plan
in
front
of
you
this
evening,
is
because
of
I
think
the
efforts
of
our
team,
but
also
the
efforts
of
the
community,
the
sprc
and
staff
and
so
I'll
get
into
a
little
bit
of
exactly
what
we're
looking
at.
But
of
course
we
have
the
site
plan
Amendment
and
the
ordinance
of
vacation,
but
we're
showing
the
new
multi-family,
building
and
triplexes,
but
really
the
story
of
this
site.
D
Is
this
connectivity
vehicular
pedestrian
bicycle,
so
we're
going
to
get
into
that
in
a
moment,
I
think
Mr
Watson
went
over
a
lot
of
the
technical
details
and
you
can
see
here
the
height
the
square
footage
the
unit
counts
and
parking.
We
are
doing
the
0.25
Green
Building
incentive
program
commitment.
We
also
have
a
base
affordable
housing
contribution,
payment
for
the
vacation,
public
art
utilities,
fund
contributions
moving
to
the
multi-family
building.
D
This
is
our
ground
floor
level
of
that
building,
and
if
you
see,
if
you're
up
at
Fairfax
Drive,
we
have
oriented
all
of
our
amenity
uses
our
main
entrance
along
Fairfax
Drive
and
on
the
Far
West
left
side
of
this
slide.
You'll
see
that
we've
located
our
bike
room
there,
which
makes
it
very
proximate
to
the
shared
path
for
easy
access
onto
and
off
of
that
trail
into
the
Bluemont
Trail
you'll
also
see
on
the
right
are
parking
entrance
and
I'm
going
to
get
into
that
a
little
bit
more.
D
We
have
walkout
units
along
the
new
road
and
we
also
have
walkout
units
both
on
the
multi-family
building
here
and
then
we'll
get
to
the
triplex.
Moving
to
the
triplex
units,
This
Is
A,
New
Concept,
it
does
qualify
as
multi-family
because,
unlike
a
townhouse,
where
you
have
a
single
party
wall
from
the
ground
floor
up
to
the
roof
here,
you'll
see
that
when
you
get
to
the
second
floor,
that's
actually
the
second.
D
D
So
moving
to
the
next
page
and
looking
at
circulation
and
I
think
this
is
where
we
really
worked
hard
to
achieve
a
good
plan
that
met
the
goals
of
the
community
and
the
county.
You
can
see
our
vehicular
circulation
along
Fairfax
Drive,
that
circulation
the
entrance
there
is
for
the
parking
to
the
multi-family
building.
So
all
those
units
420
units
are
being
accessed
off
of
Fairfax
Drive.
We
also
have
an
area
for
emergency
vehicle
access
and
then
those
short-term
drop-off
pickups.
D
If
we
go
to
the
South
you'll
see
that
we
now
have
a
street
grid
where
we
have
actually
connected
a
Woodrow
Wakefield
and
the
new
Street
to
provide
access
that
connects
those
two
streets
with
the
new
Street
of
this
development.
We
have
loading
on
the
south
side
of
this
building
that
loading,
if
you
recall,
is
only
for
move-in
move
outs
for
the
residential
multi-family
and
for
trash
pickup,
and
then,
of
course,
we
have
alley
access
to
get
you
to
building
two
and
three.
D
But
more
importantly,
is
the
focus
on
bicycles
and
pedestrians,
and
you
can
see
the
connections
through
the
site
and
the
connection
along
Fairfax
Drive
from
Bluemont
trail
to
the
east
and
I
like
to
do
the
before
and
after
as
well.
This
is
where
we
are
today
and
here's
where
we're
taking
you
in
the
future.
D
In
this
particular
instance,
we
have
closed
curb
Cuts,
along
Fairfax
Drive.
That
being
said,
we
do
need
to
retain
some
access
for
fire
department,
access
and
so
you'll
see.
We.
We
worked
with
staff
to
figure
out.
How
do
we
make
that
accessible
for
fire
trucks
and
ambulances,
but
not
encourage
other
vehicles
to
be
there,
and
so
the
result
number
one
to
make
it
not
appear
to
be
a
curb
cut,
was
to
do
a
paver
treatment.
D
We
also
did
bollards
with
a
locked
fence
so
that
only
emergency
vehicles
can
access
that
area
and
then
moving
farther
east
on
Fairfax
Drive.
You
can
see
where
we
Consolidated
two
curb
cuts
into
one
to
address
Fairfax
Drive,
and
then
we
also
have
a
write
out.
Only
on
that
Eastern
curb
cut.
We
have
increased
the
size
of
that
sidewalk
from
approximately
six
feet,
with
no
meaningful
buffer
on
either
side
and
and
to
a
12
foot
shared
use
path
with
Landscaping
on
both
sides,
and
we
worked
hard
to
plant
trees.
D
We
are
working
with
staff.
We
have
a
number
of
existing
Utilities
in
that
area,
so
we
will
continue
to
make
sure
to
provide
as
many
as
we
can,
while
not
having
any
conflicts
with
those
utilities.
Next,
now
we're
going
to
go
to
the
South
and
here's
what
it
looks
like
on
the
south
side
of
that
building
today
and
here's
the
development
for
the
future
and
you'll
see.
As
I
mentioned,
we
have
the
connection
to
the
neighborhood
to
the
South.
D
Speaking
of
the
shared
use
path,
this
is
a
very
sizable
area
between
the
multi-family
units
and
the
triplexes,
as
I
mentioned
before,
we've
got
a
lot
of
eyes
on
the
street
because
we
have
access
at
the
ground
level
for
all
of
the
units
in
those
multi-family
buildings.
Until
you
get
up
to
the
corner
where
we
have
our
bike
room
and
then,
of
course,
the
triplexes
have
direct
access
to
that.
You'll
also
note
that
in
front
of
the
triplexes
they
have
their
own
lead,
walk
and
sidewalk,
so
as
not
to
conflict
with
the
shared
use
path.
D
Although
the
shared
use
path
is
for
pedestrians
and
bicyclists,
we
also
have
Landscaping
on
either
side
of
that
to
make
it
a
really
nice
space
in
terms
of
landscaping
we
have,
we
do
we
have.
We
have
done
our
best
to
retain
as
many
trees
as
we
can
on
the
west
to
our
neighbors,
and
we've
been
actually
enhance
that
buffer,
the
perviousness
by
six
feet
away
from
those
neighbors.
You
will
see
some
trees
that
do
necessarily
need
to
be
removed.
You'll
also
see
trees
that
we've
added
throughout
the
site.
D
I
know
there
were
questions
previously
about
our
plant
list
and
what
we'll
be
planting
and
I
have
a
statement
to
read
that
I've
been
given
from
our
landscape
consultant
because
they
know
these
things
better
than
I,
and
just
let
me
speak
to
that
by
saying.
The
plantless
represents
plants
native
to
Northern
Virginia
and
were
selected
by
soil,
moisture,
light
exposure
and
location
so
that
they
are
well
suited
to
the
microclimates
of
an
urban
landscape.
The
site
conditions
vary
widely
from
full
sun
exposure
beside
roads,
bio
retention,
planners
or
areas
under
the
shade
of
trees.
D
The
varying
colors
and
plant
typologies
aim
to
create
a
dynamic
landscape
for
users
of
the
space
and
will
also
serve
a
greater
purpose
in
supporting
the
local
Wildlife.
So
that's
what
the
focus
has
been
on:
Land
Design,
who
has
been
working
on
our
landscape
next
I,
also
wanted
to
focus
a
little
bit
of
storm
water
management,
because
that
was
a
lot
of
conversation
we
had
with
the
community
concerns
about
storm
water
management,
and
so
this
is
just
listing
those
things
that
we
are
doing
on
site
to
improve
and
address.
D
Stormwater
management
and
you'll,
see
that
we're
upsizing
pipes,
adding
underground
detention,
doing
bio
retention,
Planters
a
reducing
impervious
surface
and
adding
green
roof
next
and
here's
some
images
that
will
help
you
better
understand
the
project
and
I
thought
this.
One
was
good
because
it
does
show
you
that
transition
to
our
single
family
neighbors
as
we
go
from
the
single-family
homes,
to
the
triplexes,
to
the
multi-family
and
to
the
neighboring
building
along
Glebe
Road.
D
Here's
an
image
at
the
entrance
to
the
parking
looking
at
the
West
northwest
corner
of
the
multi-family
building
along
Fairfax
Drive.
You
can
see
that
double
row
of
trees
lining
the
shared
use
path
and
the
signage
indicating
that
that
is
exit
only
next,
and
here
we
are
at
the
northwest
corner
of
the
building.
So
this
is
showing
you
the
access
to
the
shared
use
path
and
that
corner
of
our
multi-family
building
and
just
going
around
to
the
rear
of
the
building.
D
This
is
the
southwest
corner
of
the
multi-family
building,
as
you
are
coming
from
Woodrow
into
the
shared
use
path
and
along
the
shared
use
path.
This
is
the
entrance
where
you
can
see
both
the
multi-family
and
the
and
the
triplexes
as
Vehicles
once
again
go
through
towards
Fairfax
Drive,
a
little
closer
up
where
you
can
see
the
walk-up
units
in
the
multi-family
and
how
generous
those
setbacks
are
with
Landscaping
both
sides
of
that
shared
use.
Trail.
D
A
You
thank
you
very
much.
Now
we
move
on
to
public
speakers.
Do
we
have
public
speakers
tonight,
Madame.
B
Clark,
we
certainly
do
I
will
call
out
the
names.
If
you
all
could
be
present.
The
first
person
is
Mark
Greenwood.
E
E
Good
evening,
I'm
Mark
Greenwood,
if
you're
in
here
on
behalf
of
the
climate
change
energy
and
environment
mission,
I'm
here,
to
provide
the
commission's
perspective
and
how
this
project
serves
the
County's
energy
and
environmental
objectives
under
the
criteria
developed
by
the
commission,
this
project
was
scored
at
60
percent.
E
While
this
is
a
relatively
low
score,
the
applicant
has
taken
some
positive
steps
that
we
think
are
worth
recognition,
I'm
going
to
cite
them
as
I.
Go
through
my
comments,
the
commission
emphasizes
building
electrification
because
it
is
essential
to
achieving
carbon
neutrality.
This
applicant
has
committed
to
important
electrification
steps
most
significantly
for
its
HVAC
systems.
E
There
are
two
areas,
however,
where
we
hope
they
can
do
more.
The
most
recent
Energy
report
for
the
project
indicates
that
gas
cooking
ranges
will
be
installed
in
the
Triplex
Homes.
We
were.
We
urge
the
applicant
to
opt
for
all
electric
cooking
appliances,
as
induction
cooking
is
becoming
more
popular
and
available.
E
Second,
the
report
indicates
a
current
intent
to
use
Central
gas-fired
condensing
boilers
for
hot
water
in
the
multi-family
apartment
building,
consisting
with
reports
conclusions
that
heat
pumps
reduce
greenhouse
gas
emissions
compared
to
gas-fired
boilers.
We
urge
them
to
select
the
heat
pump
option.
G
Mute
yourself,
hello,
this
project
wax
biophilia.
Although
the
roof
has
a
few
plantings,
there
is
no
green
roof.
Despite
what
the
person
just
said,
no
point,
it's
it's
all
pavement
and
whatever
no
a
few,
a
few
of
plantings,
no
flat
time
from
the
roof
or
balcon
roofs
or
balconies
or
Farms
round
or
ledges
project,
devotes
too
little
space.
The
pollinator
have
sex
as
a
poor
bicycle
Transportation
plan,
so
that
exactly
should
not
throw
a
spread
more
senses
for
any
such
projects.
G
The
landscape
plan
does
not
show
the
species
and
locations
shrubs
ground
covers,
and
perennials
I've
asked
the
applicants
to
provide
these.
The
applicant
has
has
endless,
and
the
galactose
land
designs
have
have
intentionally
denied
the
public.
The
opportunity
to
review
the
same
information
peace
and
want
to
qualified
vibration
is
greatly
falling.
Several
Publications
state
that
the
require
migration
depends
upon
the
substance
of
common
milkweed,
except
the
syriaca.
The
county
board's
Monarch
pledge
encourages
plantings
as
though
for
another
day
to
plant.
This
foot
monitor
the
following
areas.
G
Despite
that
this,
the
landscape
plant
does
not
presently
show
any
milk
weed,
it
doesn't
show
any
plants
of
that
nature.
All
unpaved
open
spaces
and
tree
trenches
should
contain
common
nuclear
and
other
pollinated
plants.
There
should
be
few
wind
pollinated
ornamental
grasses,
that
no
mode
once
you
see
a
lot
of
water
grass
in
those
pictures,
they're
not
going
to
help
pollinate
very
much.
G
The
the
north
South's
shared
use
path
should
not
connect
to
Major
streets
or
the
trails
in
South
Bend
you'll
receive
very
little
use
through
compliance
recommendations
and
advice,
development
and
to
reduce
impermeable
sources.
Is
that
to
increase
pollinated
habit?
The
app
and
the
applicant
must
reduce
the
width
in
the
past
from
12
feet
to
eight
feet,
but
26
feet
access
road
to
the
west
side
of
the
other
side.
Parallelsopath
the
road
dead
ends
is
north
end.
It
connects
a
river
used
neighbor
streets
in
South
End.
The
road
will
have
little
traffic
speed
of
science.
G
If
allows
some
Speedy
Cycles.
We
use
this
old
road
if
they
learn
the
route.
A
H
Hi,
can
you
hear
me?
Yes,
you
can.
Thank
you.
My
name
is
David
collino
I'll,
be
speaking
on
behalf
of
the
Boston
Park
HOA
homeowners
association,
which
is
just
south
of
the
proposed
site.
We
had
two
issues
that
we
wanted
to
bring
up
the
first
one
being
related
to
the
construction.
Obviously
this
is
a
big
project
with
the
Demolition
and
then
construction
of
the
the
new
buildings.
H
We
wanted
to
make
sure
that
you
know
most
hopefully,
most
of
the
the
construction
traffic
goes
through
the
Fairfax
Drive,
which
doesn't
have
a
residential
neighborhood
there,
we're
hoping
that
the
streets
south
of
the
site,
which
do
have
a
lot
of
residents
and
neighbors
to
not
get
affected
by
construction
traffic
such
as
idling
or
moving
debris
pollution
noise,
especially
because
a
lot
of
young
kids
live
on
those
streets
and
then
the
second
one
is
really
I
mean.
H
We
know
that
there's
been
a
lot
of
changes
in
the
project
building.
One
obviously
is
a
typical.
You
know
apartment
block
with
a
presume,
optional,
optional
parking
spaces
that
will
go
into
Fairfax
Drive,
with
a
with
a
clear
exit
there,
but
buildings
two
and
three,
the
triplexes.
They
come
with
parking
lots,
so
the
units
will
be
coming
with
parking.
H
So
we
presume
that
the
tenants
that
will
be
interested
in
those
units
will
have
cars,
so
we're
thinking
we're
talking
about
potentially
60
cars
coming
that
way
that
will
not
have
an
exit
on
Fairfax
Drive.
So
we're
really
worried
about
increasing
traffic
on
those
Woodrow
and
Wakefield
streets.
We
know
that
the
applicant
did
submit
a
traffic
study
impact
study,
but
the
assumptions
and
the
conclusions
on
that
study
were
really
unreliable.
H
Basically
out
of
those
60
cars,
it's
assuming
that
only
six
additional
projects
will
be
done
in
the
morning
and
the
afternoon,
which
makes
no
sense
just
one
car
will
only
each
car
will
only
be
used
once
every
two
weeks
according
to
the
traffic
study.
So
this
is
not
necessarily
about
the
applicant,
but
I
think
the
whole.
The
county
should
think
better
about
how
those
streets-
those
exits
for
buildings
two
and
three
will
work,
especially
given
that
some
of
those
exits
Wakefield
to
Wilson
already
has.
A
And
that's
our
final
speaker,
thank
you
and
the
any
other
commissions
who
would
like
to
speak.
A
A
It
can
be
forward
to
all
of
us,
we'll
I'll,
ask
staff
to
send
on
your
comments
to
all
of
us.
Thank
you
for
I
will
talk
about
the
the
Transportation
Commission,
which
met
on
this
last
Thursday
night,
and
we
did
vote
9-0
to
approve
to
recommend
the
approval
of
this
discussion.
A
Not
surprising
did
revolve
around
a
lot
around
the
the
improved
bicycle
facilities
here
that
there
is
that
there
will
not
be
a
dead
on
dead
end
on
either
of
the
two
residential
streets
to
the
South,
which
will
mean
that
any
traffic
coming
from
the
triplexes
will
be
shared
there.
We
did
look
at
the
traffic
from
traffic
analyzes
and
there
seems
to
be
actually
less
traffic
generated
by
this
than
the
than
what
the
existing
uses,
both
the
office
building
and
the
and
the
hotel
had
generated
in
the
past.
A
And,
of
course,
as
mentioned
all
of
the
apartment
building
traffic
for
the
residents
will
be
off
of
Fairfax.
Drive
deliveries
to
the
loading
dock
will
be
off
the
the
South
Streets.
We
are
happy
with.
We
were
happy
with
the
the
improved
bicycle
facilities,
The
Pedestrian
facilities,
recognizing
that
there
were
tremendous
improvements
on
this
project
over
the
course
of
the
three
svrcs
and
as
I
mentioned.
Ultimately,
the
Transportation
Commission
voted
9-0
to
recommend
approval.
A
A
I
did
share
one
of
the
three
sbrcs,
but
he
really
took
a
laboring
war.
So
I
definitely
thank
him
for
working
on
this.
All
the
way
through
I
did
send
it
around
earlier,
but
to
just
remind
we
did
have,
as
mentioned
three
full
meetings
for
this,
with
substantial
changes
from
each
of
them
between
each
of
the
sbrcs.
A
There
was
an
interest
and
question
why
additional
hype
wasn't
being
requested
here,
because,
theoretically,
this
site
would
have
supported
additional
height,
the
economics
of
stick
built
and,
of
course,
a
lot
of
the
underground
utilities.
There
pretty
much
made
of
the
decision
whether
it
developed
the
applicant,
is
deciding
to
keep
the
the
heights
low
here.
A
A
The
fire
access,
as
mentioned
earlier,
will
become
coming
off
of
Fairfax.
Also,
there
does
continue,
as
you
saw
continue
to
be
some
concern
from
the
neighborhood
about
the
traffic
flow
and
that
fire
access
there
are
a
little
bit
of
infringements
along
the
west
side
of
the
property
by
existing
homeowners
there,
which
the
applicant
has
worked
out
with
with
those
homeowners.
So
that
is
an
issue
that
has
been
resolved
and
there
will
be
attempts
to
minimize
tree
canopy
losses
seen
by
the
applicant's
presentation,
those
some
of
them
are
already
dead
and
it's
they'll.
A
A
Areas
of
discussion
we
have
right
here-
are
site
constraints,
the
easement
areas
and
the
stormwater
Overland
relief
along
the
west
resident
access
and
flow
to
the
various
units.
The
Pedestrian
bicycle
experience:
phasing
how
there
will
be
continued
access
for
the
pedestrians
and
bikes
during
construction
coming
off
the
Blue,
Moon
Trail,
again,
traffic
flow
or
issues
for
design.
There
were
some
questions
still
about
the
triplexes
and
Community
benefits.
Certainly
environmental.
We
heard
some
from
c2e2
bird
friendly
glass
embedded
carbon
reuse,
affordable
housing
also.
I
Thank
you,
Mr
chairman,
for
either
the
well
first.
Let
me
say
that
I
was
impressed
with
the
comments
that
Mr
Greenwood
made
for
purposes
of
full
disclosure.
He's
a
much
esteemed
former
colleague
from
the
U.S
Environmental,
Protection
Agency.
So
I
take
his
remarks
very
seriously
and
and
I
have
one
question
about
the
storm
water
retention
for
either
the
county
staff
or
the
or
the
applicant.
I
Can
you
tell
me
what
the
size
of
the
storm
water
retention
facility
is
on
site?
Does
anybody
know.
I
And
here's
here's
the
concern
whatever
it
is:
it's
not
big
enough
now,
I'm,
not
sure,
there's
anything
we
can
do
about
it.
I
At
this
point,
the
reason
I
think
it's
not
big
enough
is
because
I'll
give
you
an
example:
the
the
stormwater
retention
site
at
the
Cardinal
Elementary
School,
four
million
gallons
underground
I,
took
a
tour
of
the
site,
it's
incredibly
impressive
and
when
I
asked
the
staff
how
large
a
storm
that
would
have
come
now,
obviously
it
it
drains
a
bigger
area
than
this
facility
does
I
recognize
that
they
said
this
will
be
good
for
a
10-year
storm.
Well,
today's
you
know
10-year
storm
is
going
to
be
every
week's
storm.
I
You
know
in
a
few
years,
with
the
way
climate
change
is
going
and
and
given
the
flooding
problems
that
Arlington
County
has
I'm
really
concerned
with
our
ability
to
deal
with
storm
water
issues,
but
I,
forgive
me
for
talking
over
your
answer.
J
I
F
An
apologies,
I
was,
unfortunately,
a
little
bit
late
to
this.
With
regards
to
the
concerns
raised
by
c2e2
with
regards
to
the
Readiness
for
electrical
vehicle
charging
in
the
town
home
portion,
what
is
the
plan
for
that,
because
I
do
think,
and
even
the
renderings
that
you
showed
seem
to
show
electric
vehicles
kind
of
of
circulating
the
site,
so
I'm
trying
to
figure
out
what
the
plan
is
or
how
to
have
those
ready-made.
D
We
are
meeting
the
standard
for
those
triplexes,
which
is
two
EV
Chargers
and
six
ebready
Chargers
I
think
that
we
are
still
looking
at
how
to
maintain
flexibility
to
potentially
allow
other
units
to
get
EV
ready
charging.
But
that's
something
that
we
have
not
figured
out
yet
because
of
course
you
have
to
look
at
what
that
means
in
terms
of
your
Transformer
size.
And
so
we
continue
to
just
evaluate
that.
But
we
are
committing
to
the
minimum
requirements.
A
D
A
These
are
all
really
easily
I
mean
they're
all
identical
units
that,
if
you
have
ability
to
do
one
that
means
you
have
ability
to
do
all
of
them.
Even
if
they're
not
installed
right
away,
there
should
be
the
way
to
have
them
the
conduits
there,
the
the
the
panel
box,
large
enough
for
for
that
sort
of
thing.
That
shouldn't
be
that
hard,
that,
if
it's
okay
for
one,
it
should
be
able
to
be
done
for
all
of
them,
even
if
they're
not
installed
right
away
and
I
would
strongly
urge
that
that
be
done.
A
F
I
just
want
to
reiterate
I
agree
with
everything,
commissioner
and
tell
me
said,
and
that
was
why
I
was
asking
the
questions
with
regards
to
I.
Don't
understand
the
sense
of
having
it
be
an
option
for
such
a
small
amount
of
units
when
that's
the
direction
we're
heading
in
and
it
seems
like
you've
acknowledged
that.
A
And,
of
course,
you
know
for
the
the
big
building
you
know
wherever
you
can
put
additional
conduits,
so
it's
ready
for
EVS,
and
you
know
the
parking
ratio
is
a
little
on
the
high
side.
A
You
know
again
the
price
points
for
this.
This
apartment
building
are
not
going
to
be
low.
This
is
an
amenity,
I,
think
people
are
going
to
be
expecting
in
the
future
and
the
more
flexibility
you
have
to
accommodate
that
the
more
marketable
the
building
is.
You
know
we're
advocating
for
you
with
things
that
make
your
building
more
marketable.
A
K
Or
sarley
thank
you.
Mr
chairman
I
Envision,
a
future
where
cars
that
are
not
electric
will
not
be
allowed
into
the
garages,
and
then
we
can
cut
all
that
venting
and
all
that
infrastructure.
That
goes
with
that,
but
that's
a
bit
of
a
dream
for
now.
My
comment
is
related
to
demolition.
A
little
bit
along
the
veins
of
e2c2
I
would
request
that
the
applicant
look
into
any
and
every
possibilities
of
reusing
and
repurposing
the
equipment.
That's
or
the
systems
Hardware,
anything
that
we
can
on
the
two
existing
building
structures.
K
I
know
they're
old,
but
I'm
sure
they've,
been
refurbished
in
the
past
few
years
and
I
know
that
a
lot
of
that
equipment
can
be
reused
and
repurposed.
It's
a
bit
of
work
and
effort
to
transport
and
find
a
a
place
to
put
it,
but
I
think
that
would
go
a
long
way
on
the
environmental
impact,
and
that's
just
my
request.
Thank
you.
A
I'll
take
a
commissioner
sorelli.
Yes,
commission,
strainer.
L
Yes,
so
first
off
I'd
like
to
is
this
good?
Okay,
we
had
some
noise
complaints
last
time,
I
wasn't
talking
loud
enough,
but
anyway,
I'd
like
to
associate
myself
with
comments
on
EV,
Chargers
I.
L
Think
it's
something
that's
going
to
become
increasingly
relevant
and
expected
in
time
and
there's
also
a
Tesla
dealership
like
right
down
the
street,
so
I
could
see
the
potential
there,
but
any
rate
when
it
comes
to
the
as
a
clarifying
question
the
entrance
to
the
garage
was
that
pitched
as
a
shared
use
path,
or
was
that
just
for
cars?
No
just.
L
Okay,
good
good
that
seemed
a
little
crowded
and,
let's
see.
L
And
so,
and
addressing
Mr
coolino's
comments
at
the
during
the
public
comment
section:
is
it
reasonable
to
assume
that
having
exit
points
for
buildings,
two
and
three
only
spilling
out
onto
Woodrow
and
Wakefield?
Is
that
is
that
going
to
create?
You
know
a
bunch
of
extra
traffic
in
that
residential
neighborhood?
L
Or
is
it
going
to
be
a
feasible
way
for
those
residents
to
get
out
of
the
building
without
having
to
go
not
having
a
direct
access
to
Fairfax,
because
that
seemed
to
me
like
a
sort
of
inconvenient
way
to
get
around
the
area
so.
D
So
our
major
Focus
was
making
sure
that
we
kept
that
multi-family
traffic
away
from
those
single
family
residents,
which
is
the
successful
solution.
I
think
we
came
up
with
with
having
the
multi-family
garage
access
from
Fairfax
Drive
regarding
the
triplexes.
There
are
30,
triplexes
and
I
know
it's
hard
for
people
to
follow.
D
D
We
expect
two
out
and
seven
in,
and
that
is
based
on
the
traffic
Consultants
analysis
based
on
ite
standards
right
and
what
we
find
is
more
and
more
people
are
working
at
home
or
have
Flex
schedules,
and
so
you
know
could
that
be
one
more
or
one
less,
but
over
the
course
of
an
hour,
it's
a
de
minimis
impact
on
the
local
neighborhood
right.
L
Yeah,
no,
that
makes
sense,
and
as
as
to
my
fellow
Commissioners,
have
mentioned,
these
are
high
price
point
residential
buildings,
so
they're
likely
going
to
be
hybrid
or
remote
workers,
so
that
that
does
make
sense
to
me.
Thank
you.
A
Thank
you,
I
also
want
to
mention
about
the
c2e2
mentioned
about
the
gas
ranges
in
the
triplexes
again,
the
price
points
for
this.
If
you
put
induction
cooktops
there,
that's
also
a
marketing
plus,
and
it
eliminates
the
need
for
running
gas
lines
into
those
units.
A
You
know
that
would
be
a
cost
Saving
right
there
and
you
know
that
could
more
than
offset
I
think
the
somewhat
higher
cost
of
induction
ranges.
Those
are
again
another
thing,
that's
a
coming
thing
and
it
is
a
marketing
plus
to
have
those
I
mean
those
many
people
consider
those
almost
to
be
luxury
items
so,
but
it
would
still
be
cost
effective.
A
Other
yeah
we're
definitely
clearly
into
sustainability.
Here.
Is
there
any
other
bird
friendly
glass
for
the
for
the
for
the
multi-family
building?
Do
we
have
birth,
friendly
glass
issues?
There
isn't
quite
as
much
glass
on
this
design
as
we've
seen
some
other
residential
projects.
A
D
M
Thank
you.
The
architect
is
actually
on
the
line
if
he
Chad,
if
you
are
able
to
chime
in
there
I
know,
you've
done
some
research
on
that
and
there's
more
design
to
come
to
understand
exactly
how
we
will
meet
the
requirement
but
are
committed
to
meeting
it.
N
Yes,
I'm
I'm
Chad,
Smith
I'm,
with
HCM
as
the
lead
designer
we
haven't
fully
fleshed
out
our
bird
friendly
glass
approach
yet,
but
we
are
working
with
SBP
determine
the
requirements
for
that
design.
I
know,
there's
a
certain
Brit
that
can
be
applied
to
the
glass
that
folds
to
a
four
inch
by
four
inch
square
rule
so
that
birds
can
see
a
fruit
pattern,
so
they
don't
fly
through
it.
N
So
I
think
we'll
be
looking
at
strategies
like
that
to
implement
in
the
class
below
a
certain
height
range
I
think
it
might
have
been
60
feet,
maybe
30
feet,
but
so
we're
looking
at
that
into
that,
and
we
will
implement
a
strategy
so
that
we
are
bird
friendly.
A
Okay,
thank
you
other
environmental
issues,
sustainability
issues.
Yes
thank.
O
You,
commissioner,
I'm
wondering
I
know:
one
of
our
speakers
tonight
was
concerned
about
local
wildlife
and
pollinators.
I
know
you
mentioned
that
you
are
going
to
have
trees
and
plants
that
are
native
to
Northern
Virginia
and
contribute
to
the
local
Wildlife.
But
can
you
tell
us
any
more
specificity
about
what
that
would
look
like
or
what
that
entails
and
how
it
would
contributes
to
the
local
wildlife.
D
P
I
am
thank
you
very
much
and
we
have
started
to
curate
a
planned
palette
that
is,
takes
inspiration
from
the
Woodland
Park
across
the
street,
which
we
feel
is
a
very
strong
and
direct
relationship
to
our
project.
So,
first
and
foremost,
we're
just
trying
to
not
necessarily
mimic
because
of
the
microclima
is
a
little
different
but
take
inspiration
and
try
to
find
a
plant
palette
that
not
only
provides
seasonality
but
also
provides
a
plant
plant,
a
design
that
has
a
structure
that
withstands
kind
of
this.
P
This
environmental
setting
in
a
manner
that,
even
in
the
winter,
looks
fabulous
for
the
residents
of
the
new
project
and
the
neighbors
and
at
the
same
time
you
know,
provides
the
wildlife
support.
You
know
again
we're
going
to
be
a
continuation
of
the
corridor.
P
You
know,
starting
with
the
Woodland
Park
across
the
street,
so
in
for
the
4.1
we
have
covered
our
requirements
of
canopy
coverage
for
the
final
landscape
plan,
we'll
obviously
we're
going
to
be
providing
a
full
landscape
plan,
so
we'll
have
a
combination
of
all
types
of
typologies
of
plants,
Evergreens
for
structure
during
the
winter
and
kind
of
a
layering
effect.
We'll
have
a
series
of
perennials
that
will
be
native
to
Northern
Virginia.
They
will
support
pollinator
and
wild
habitat
corridors.
We
will
have
ornamental
grasses.
P
That
would
also
provide
structure
and
support
through
winter
months
or
other
shoulder
season
months.
Our
strategy
is
always
to
layer,
our
landscape,
so
there's
always
a
seasonality,
places
of
interest
and
moments
of
wonder
in
our
landscapes
in
the
cities.
So
we're
looking
forward
to
develop
a
plan
that
actually
supports
all
of
these
concepts
for
the
neighbors
for
the
residents
and
for,
like
I,
said
Urban
wildlife
hope
that
answers
your
question.
Q
I
guess
I
must
have
missed
something
along
the
way.
I
just
thought
we
were
still
on
clarifying
questions.
Yeah.
Q
Was
like
wait
a
minute
so
yeah,
please
do
I
just
have
a
couple
of
things,
one
going
back
to
Mr,
Greenwood
I,
believe
comments,
and
you,
commissioner,
Robertson
Greenwood,
asked
to
be
sure
that
there
was
a
consultation
going
on
about
the
storm
water
management
I
have
to
assume
between
staff
and
the
rules
that
we
have,
and
this
conversation
has
taken
place
and
will
continue
to
take
place.
Okay,
great,
thank
you
to
do
that.
Also.
Q
I
want
to
go
to
phasing
I
mentioned
at
the
sprc
the
importance
of
communicating
frequently
with
the
neighbors
about
the
various.
What's
going
on
with
the
construction,
what
to
expect
to
Mr
kalina's
question:
what
is
the
plan
for
oops?
What
is
the
plan
for
the
trucks
and
where
do
they
go,
and
one
point
that
I
would
like
to
make
that
I
have
seen
in
too
many
times?
Q
Sadly,
and
hopefully
not
with
this
project
since
you've
been
very
responsive,
the
construction
liaison
to
make
sure
that
this
person
is
fully
aware
of
the
process
and
so
that
the
neighbors
aren't
left
wondering
why
they
don't
know
what's
going
on
or
not
to
be
depicted
to
the
construction
liaison
as
just
complainers
or
whatever
too
often.
The
folks
who
are
on
the
ground
with
a
project
have
never
heard
anything
about
this,
and
the
communication
is,
is
just
not
as
intensive
as
it
has
been
here.
Q
So
I
would
strongly
ask
and
recommend
that
you
make
sure
that
those
things
are
highly
communicated
should
should
something
that
you
communicate
to
the
neighbors
have
to
change.
There
needs
to
be
immediate
communication
to
them
so
that
they
understand
change
is
and
again.
If
there's
something
that's
going
on,
I
would
hope
that
you
would
change
it
going
back
to
the
circulation
out
of
the
triplexes.
Should
it
be
more
than
seven
cars
and
Peak
travel?
Q
Would
you
then
I
mean
if
there's
a
ton
of
traffic
that
happens
to
generate
and
go
into
the
neighborhood
I
would
assume
that
somebody
would,
in
collaboration
with
the
community
figure
out?
Maybe
some
other
Alternatives
or
if
it
turns
out
to
be
a
problem
as
with
anything
in
this
development
that
if
it
turns
out
to
be
a
problem,
there
can
be
some.
Q
You
know
constructive
conversation
going
on,
because
communication
really
leads
to
a
lot
of
you
know
Goodwill
and
avoids
a
lot
of
problems
down
the
road,
so
those
would
be
some
things
that
I
would
add.
Thank
you.
D
Thank
you
regarding
the
where
the
construction
traffic's
going
to
go.
We
really
don't
have
all
those
details,
yet
I
would
imagine
that
there
would
be
construction
vehicles
coming
from
Fairfax
Drive,
but
I
can't
at
this
point
in
time,
tell
you
for
sure
that
there
will
be
no
construction
traffic
to
the
South
I,
don't
want
to
misspeak.
What
I
can
tell
you
is
we
work
out
those
details
with
staff
and
we'll
have
a
maintenance
or
traffic
plan?
We
do
have
a
pre-construction
meeting.
D
We
do
have
a
community
liaison
I
understand
your
comments
about
making
sure
that
that
Community
liaison
understands
their
role,
that
they're
just
not
a
name
and
a
number
but
they're
supposed
to
be
that
contact
for
kind
of
constructive
collaboration
and
and
information
sharing,
whether
it
be
through
that
liaison
or
some
other
manner.
A
Okay,
do
we
have
any
further
questions
on
sustainability?
A
Actually,
I
do
want
to
look
to
follow
up
on
the
storm
water
issue,
because
we're
moving
more
and
more
toward
having
Overland
relief
because
of
the
unpredictability
of
storms
coming
through.
How
does
the
Overland
relief
work
along
that
would
presumably
be
along
the
western
edge
of
the
property,
and
how
would
that
affect
the
triplexes,
because
they're
the
ones
would
be
closest
to
it?.
J
Correct
so
it
does
that
will
call
that
path
there
between
the
triplexes
and
the
property
line,
and
so
really
it's
going
to
act
like
a
large
Swale
in
that
Overland
relief.
If
that
comes
up
so
basically
it
that
whole,
it's
a
26
foot
wide
fire
lane.
That's
why
it's
wider
as
it
is.
J
So
you
really
kind
of
have
almost
a
channel
in
that
backyard
or
that
back
from
the
unit
to
the
property
line
and
in
the
plan
we've
done
sections
of
the
100
Year
storm
and
500
year
storm
to
show
how
the
water
stays
in
that
that
channel,
we'll
call
it
that
Overland
relief
path,
everything
uphill
clogs
and
the
water
comes
down
down.
You
can
see
it
stays
in
that
channel
and.
J
It
flows
sorry,
Fairfax
drive
down
there.
J
Like
it
does
today,
so
it's
really
kind
of
holding
the
same
pattern.
Actually
that
happens
today,
because
the
building's
at
the
same
place
that
the
existing
building
is
so
it's
really
that
that
same
area,
that's
really
going
to
hold
that
that
same
water
path
down
through
that
we'll
call
it
Channel
or
that
section
through
there
that
keeps
kind
of
going
south
as.
A
A
M
The
building
one
has
a
significantly
longer
construction
duration
than
that
of
the
triplexes.
So
ideally,
we
have
all
of
the
buildings
delivered
together
into
a
built
environment.
We
have
Incorporated
a
phasing
plan
into
the
4.1
submission
to
allow
for
us
to
separate,
if
needed
and
in
a
logical
way,
but
the
intent
is
to
go
all
at
once.
Okay,.
A
Great,
thank
you,
affordable
housing.
Does
anybody
have
questions
about
that.
C
C
So
speaking,
on
behalf
of
for
staff
under
state
code,
developer
has
an
option
to
to
to
do
three
different
things
essentially
provide
a
cash
contribution.
Do
on-site
units
or
off-site
units
on
your
buy,
so
those
are.
Those
are
three
different
options
and
the
staff
report
goes
into
a
little
bit
more
detail
about.
C
You
know
the
value
of
each
of
those
buckets
each
of
those
tranches,
but
again
they
do
have
an
option
to
do
each
of
those,
and
we
we
can't
require
that
they
fulfill
in
any
one
of
those
ways
it's
up
to
them.
Q
And
I
understand
this,
and
this
is
an
ongoing
conversation
that
we've
had
where
this
is
an
expensive
place
to
live.
We
all
know
that,
and
a
lot
of
people
might
want
to
live
in
that
area,
but
might
just
be
closed
out,
because
they
can't
afford
that
it's
just
disappointing
to
see
another
project
come
through
here,
where
we
don't
have
affordable
units
on
site,
which
is
probably
far
more
valuable
for
addressing
the
shortage
of
these
than
just
the
cash.
Thank
you.
A
A
O
Just
want
to
associate
myself
with
those
comments
as
well.
Commissioner
Paisley's
comments,
I
think
it's
really
important
to
have
at
least
one
or
two
I
mean
we've
gone
through
this
prcs
and
that
sometimes
we're
just
begging
for
at
least
one
on-site,
because
it's
just
so
important
to
allow
residents
to
be
in
these
desirable
areas.
O
Often
it's
either
just
a
cash
contribution
or
for
everyone
to
be
just
put
that
in
South
Arlington,
as
opposed
to
have
an
ability
to
live
in
North,
Arlington
and
also
you
know,
partake
in
the
benefits
that
are
in
the
other
side.
So
I
really
hope
you
do
consider
expanding
that
option
and
not
just
doing
a
cash
contribution,
because
I
think
it
would
really
go
a
long
way
to
helping
underserved
community
members
in
Arlington.
R
Thank
you
when
commissioner
Bagley,
thank
you,
commissioner
Bagley
for
for
making
the
comment,
because,
of
course
this
is
a
place
where
we
have
come
several
times
and
and
asked
developers
to
change
the
culture
of
development
here
in
Arlington,
and
just
because
we
can
do
a
cash
contribution
doesn't
mean
that
that
is
enough,
and
so
I
will
go
on
record
with
my
colleagues
here
and
say
it's
not
enough.
Whenever
we
have
new
development
come
on,
you
know,
just
because
the
code
says
that
you
have
these
options.
R
A
cash
contribution
shouldn't
be
the
one
that
we
pick,
particularly
in
a
locality
like
Arlington.
Where
affordability
is,
you
know
we
we
are
not
affordable
on
many
different
in
many
different
ways,
and
so
you
know
thinking
about
the
families
that
will
live
here,
hoping
that
they
will
be
that
they
will
bring
and
have
children
at
these
at
these
units.
You
know
we
are
not
affordable
in
child
care.
We
are
not
affordable
in
housing.
R
We
don't
make
it
affordable
for
people
to
live
here,
and
so
I
think
that
this
needs
to
be
something
where
it's
all
hands.
On
deck.
We
as
a
commission,
have
ask
developers,
time
and
time
again,
including
as
as
commissioner
and
tell
me,
has
indicated
the
Macy's
Boston
site.
We
were
not
pleased
with
that
one.
They
did
not
have
enough
affordable
housing
there,
the
Americana
Hotel,
even
though
there
was
something
that
we
were
going
to
be
doing
you
know,
is
a
unique
situation.
R
We
were
not
pleased
there
either,
and
so
again,
here
is
a
missed
opportunity
where
we
could
have
provided
affordability
in
a
place
that
is
in
the
heart
of
an
area
that
has
really
wonderful
public
transportation,
wonderful
amenities,
and
it
has
the
other
side
of
it,
which
is
the
residential
component.
So
you
know
this
is
a
really
big,
missed
opportunity
and
I
think
it
saddens
me
that
we
continue
to
have
to
keep
having
this
conversation
and
I'm,
hoping
that
at
some
point,
we'll
be
able
to
say
wow.
R
F
I'd
like
to
align
myself
with
their
comments
that
have
been
made
by
commissioners,
Begley,
Guevara
and
Patel
I
think
further.
It
shouldn't
have
to
be
in
from
my
perspective,
it's
not
in
all
or
one
and
I,
don't
think
we're
going
to
get
to
the
the
change
we're
looking
to
see
overnight,
but
I
think
that
the
transition
of
saying,
okay,
we're
going
to
do
part
of
a
cash
contribution
and
we're
going
to
do
a
couple
units
on
site.
F
I
think
that
moves
Us
in
the
direction
that
I
can
be
very
kind
of
satisfied
in.
If
we're
heading
in
that
direction
and
I
think
we
are
starting
to
see
that
with
more
developers
and
I.
Think
that's
really
as
a
commission.
We're
setting
that
standard
that
that's
what
we
want
to
see
and
if
we
sound
like
a
broken
record,
we
kind
of
are
and
until
there's
meaningful
change
with
the
developers
that
are
coming
before
us
you're
going
to
continue
to
hear
it.
F
So
we
can
harp
on
this
every
time
or
you
guys
can
just
start
doing
it
and
I
think
that
you
know
we're
not
saying
that
cash
contributions
are
not
acceptable
or
off
the
table,
but
I
think
there
needs
to
be
a
balance
where
you
know.
As
Michelin
tell
me
said,
this
is
a
very
accessible
desirable
place
to
live.
F
L
You
probably
know
what
I'm
going
to
say,
but
I'd
like
to
associate
myself
with
the
comments
of
of
all
my
other
Commissioners
who've
spoken
on
this
issue:
Arlington
Prides
itself
on
being
a
diverse,
inclusive
community,
and
it
takes
everybody
to
make
that
happen
and
and
until
we
are
inclusive
in
every
corner
of
Arlington,
you
know
we're
falling
short
of
that
Vision.
So
I
think
it's
important
that
we
have
those
units
in
in
these
buildings
on
site,
so
they
can
they're
they're
able
to
access
all
of
the
amenities
that
this
County
provides.
Q
Yeah,
just
as
a
follow-up,
there
were
three
of
us
that
abstained
for
the
Boston
Macy's
project
because
of
the
cash
contribution
and
I
represented
the
Planning
Commission
that
day,
when
it
came
in
front
of
the
County
Board
and
Mr
Dorsey
proceeded
to
say
that
when
those
options
were
put
on
the
table,
the
intent
was
never
to
just
take
the
cash,
because
it
was
the
easiest
one
and
really
went
into
quite
a
good
statement
and
probably
something
that
you
should
go
and
listen
to
and
in
the
end
they
commiserated
and
by
and
large,
at
the
end,
they
came
through
and
decided
no
cash
and
they
threw
in
another
eight
units.
Q
A
Any
further
comments
on
this:
okay,
we've
pretty
much
gone
through
our
discussion
items.
Are
there
any
other
items
that
we
have
missed
or
anything
anyone
else
would
like
to
raise.
D
A
Gotcha,
okay,
further
comments:
okay,
what
I
do
want
to
raise
is
that
this
of
all
the
projects
we've
had,
this
is
probably
one
that
is
most
improved
from
the
first
iteration
to
what
has
come
before
us
now
so
I
I
do
want
to
acknowledge
that
this
applicant
has
made
tremendous
changes
in
response
to
the
the
sbrcs
and
to
the
community
to
staff's
require
requests.
A
So
you
know
I'm
certain
you
know,
I
would
not
have
been
able
to
vote
for
this
as
it
came
in
the
door
at
first,
but
I
am
able
to
do
so
now
when
the
motion
is
made,
but
I
do
acknowledge
that
there
have
been
tremendous
changes
on
this
over
a
number
of
meetings.
Yes,
commissioner,
sarley
I.
K
Would
just
associate
myself
with
that
sentiment.
I
think
you
know,
I'm
really
excited
that
you
took
the
time
you
stepped
back.
You
were
grouped,
you
invested
and
you
improved
the
project.
So
thank
you.
A
R
I
am
thank
you
very
much,
so
I
will
start
with
the
vacation.
R
The
Planning
Commission
finds
that
the
ordinances
of
vacation
to
vacate
one
a
portion
of
the
existing
easement
for
public
utility
purposes
and
two,
the
existing
fire
lane
easements
both
on
property
belonging
to
Boston,
Hotel,
Associates
and
Snell
Arlington,
LLC
known
as
4600
and
4610
Fairfax,
Drive,
RPC
numbers,
12-053-055
and
056
with
conditions
and
three
a
portion
of
the
existing
public,
Street
and
utilities
utilities
purposes
on
property
belonging
to
snell,
Arlington,
Center,
LLC
and
out
parcel
B,
LLC
known
as
4600
Fairfax,
Drive
RPC
numbers
12-053-055
and
023
with
conditions
are
substantially
in
accord
with
the
comprehensive
plan
of
Arlington
County
Virginia.
A
S
T
T
R
A
A
R
I
would
I
have
I
would
like
to
speak
to
this.
I
will
just
say
that
I
too
appreciate
the
remarkable
improvements
that
the
applicant
has
made
to
this
particular
site,
but
you
know
standing
on
the
principle
that
commissioner
Bagley
has
previously
articulated
for
how
we
voted
in
other
matters.
I
will
be
abstaining
on
the
issue
of
affordable
housing,
on-site,
affordable
housing.
F
I
will
personally
say
that
I
think
you
have
heard
what
we
have
said
as
a
commission
you're
going
to
take
a
look
at
what
the
affordable
units
are
and
that
maybe
there
will
be
some
changes
that
are
made
and
presented
when
it
comes
to
County
Board
in
a
couple
weeks.
So
with
that
in
mind,
I
will
support
I'm
prepared
to
support
the
project
based
on
that
ambitious
hope.
Thank
you.
Thank.
A
T
A
Mr
Steinberger
I,
commissioner
sarley
aye,
commissioner
Steiner
aye,
commissioner
Robertson
aye,
commissioner
Patel.
A
That
it
concludes
that
for
the
evening
for
this,
thank
you
to
the
applicant
and
to
the
community
and
to
staff
for
this
Madam
clerk.
What
is
our
next
item.
B
A
U
This
is
a
new
chapter
of
the
county
code.
It's
an
administrative
process
and
requirements
for
outdoor
Cafe
license
application
and
a
fee
process.
This
is
a
separate
item,
a
separate
staff
report.
The
recommendations
are
going
to
be
considered
with
the
food
study
recommendations
at
the
July
County
board
meeting.
So
items
one
and
two
will
be
subjects
of
the
July
board.
Meeting
item
number
three:
is
the
County's
Outdoor
Cafe
guidelines,
which
is
a
last
updated
in
2013.?
U
This
is
an
administrative
document.
That'll
include
references
and
resources
for
restaurants,
going
forward
including
information
on
the
application
and
permit
permitting
process
I'm.
Looking
at
the
study
schedules,
staff
launched
the
study
last
fall
when
the
county
manager
removed
the
emergency
order.
U
We
started
in
Phase
One
in
the
fall
where
we're
doing
information
gathering
on
the
temporary
outdoor
seating
areas
or
ptosis.
We
also
were
researching
other
communities
in
counties
Across
the
Nation
we
conducted
some
Community
engagement
where
we
received
over
2
000
responses
in
the
fall,
and
we
hosted
a
couple
of
virtual
Roundtable
events.
We
then
moved
into
the
winter
spring
time
frame
to
phase
two.
We
continued
to
do
information
gathering
to
take
what
findings
would
help
inform
the
recommendations
that
you'll
hear
this
evening,
and
then
we
are
now
currently
in
phase
three
of
the
study.
U
We've
been
a
busy
meeting
with
relevant
commissions
last
month
in
June,
the
County
Board
authorized
advertisement
of
tonight's
public
hearing
and
the
County
board
meeting
next
week,
we're
here
with
you
this
evening
and
then
we're
moving
into
August,
which
will
will
be
beginning.
The
initial
application
period
with
restaurants
and
doing
consultations
with
restaurants,
and
just
noting
that
on
August
15th,
the
temporary
outdoor
seating
area
or
tosa
program
will
be
ending
and
the
new
regulations
will
be,
in
effect,
just
in
terms
of
the
food
study.
Primary
purpose
and
goals.
U
So
just
a
quick
overview
on
the
tosa
program.
They
were
established
in
2020
to
help
restaurants
when
businesses
could
not
serve
patrons
indoors.
So
this
was
developed
quickly
as
part
of
the
pandemic
and
staff
work
to
develop
flexible
design
and
operational
guidelines.
We
created
an
online
submission
process
with
the
interdepartmental
staff
team.
The
ptosis
were
approved
by
the
county
manager
through
the
continuity
of
governance
ordinance.
U
Currently
we
have
approximately
100
doses
that
are
still
in
operation
today,
both
public
and
private
property
and
again
those
doses
will
expire
on
August,
the
15th
in
terms
of
some
of
the
engagement.
What
we
heard
related
to
the
ptosis
was
General
support
for
local
businesses
during
the
pandemic,
enjoyment
for
outdoor
dining,
providing
safe,
accessible
pedestrian
circulation,
we
heard
support
for
reduced
parking
for
expanding
outdoor
dining
options
and
the
need
to
streamline
the
process
so
in
terms
of
our
proposed
summary
proposed
zoning
amendments
before
you
this
evening.
U
This
table
here
summarizes
the
existing
and
proposed
processes
So.
Currently,
there
are
three
types
of
outdoor
cafes
that
we're
recommending
amendments
to
the
first
being
private
property
that
are
not
unencumbered
by
public
easements.
Currently,
today,
those
outdoor
cafes
and
private
property
can
be
reviewed
administratively
by
right
by
the
zoning
administrator.
U
We
are
looking
to
continue
that
practice
so
again
allow
outdoor
cafes
on
private
property
to
be
reviewed
administratively.
The
second
type
is
outdoor
cafes
and
public
rights
away
or
easement
areas.
Currently,
those
outdoor
cafes
are
approved
by
the
County
Board
by
use.
Permit
staff
is
recommending
to
move
those
also
into
an
administrative
approval
pathway
process
that
would
include
utility
and
Street
easements,
but
it
would
exclude
the
travel
way
or
parking
space
and
then
finally,
the
third
type
is
outdoor
cafes
that
are
located
within
privately
owned
public
spaces
or
pops.
U
Currently,
those
are
reviewed
by
the
County
Board
by
use
permit,
and
we
would
look
to
continue
that
practice
going
forward
so
again.
A
summary
of
the
proposed
zoning
amendments
that
I
just
spoke
to
private
property.
Again,
the
use
of
zoning
ordinance
required
parking
spaces
for
outdoor
cafes
when
the
youth
standards
are
met.
U
On
public
property,
there
will
be
a
requirement
for
an
outdoor
Cafe
license
as
part
of
the
new
Chapter
70
of
the
county
code
and
there's
a
new,
clear,
sidewalk
dimension
of
six
feet
unless
otherwise
a
greater
distance,
that's
approved
on
a
site
plan
and
then
for
the
privately
owned
public
spaces
again
requiring
a
use
permit
approval
by
the
County
Board.
In
addition
to
requiring
an
outdoor
Cafe
license,
staff
is
also
recommending
amendments
to
article
6,
7
and
8
to
the
use
tables,
including
editorial
changes,
to
reflect
the
proposed
changes
for
the
approval
process.
U
U
There
will
be
an
application
fee,
plus
an
annual
license
fee.
That's
typically
based
on
the
cafes
square.
Footage
in
the
fees
will
be
determined
with
the
fiscal
year
25
budget,
which
is
anticipated
to
be
effective
July
of
2024.
U
So
staff
has
been
busy
over
the
past
month
and
a
half
meeting
with
relevant
commissions.
The
zoning
committee
twice
the
Chamber
of
Commerce
Economic
Development
pedestrian
advisory
I
mentioned
that
we
met
with
the
county
board
for
the
request
to
advertise
in
June
we
met
with
Park
and
Recreation
Commission.
We
most
recently
met
with
the
Transportation
Commission
just
last
week,
and
just
noting
that
they
voted
a
seven
to
two
to
defer
adoption
of
the
proposed
zoning
amendments.
U
So,
following
adoption,
we've
been
busy
thinking
about
implementation,
so
staff
will
be
developing
the
infrastructure
and
framework
that
that
is
needed
to
process
and
review
and
receive
applications
for
outdoor
cafes
staff
is
looking
to
develop
this
framework
by
October
16th,
which
is
approximately
90
days
after
adoption
of
the
zoeing
ordinance
amendments
and
again,
staff
will
be
working
with
applicants
to
prepare
submissions.
U
Some
of
the
materials
to
be
completed
may
include,
updates
to
The
Outdoor
Cafe
design
guidelines
that
I
mentioned
earlier,
which
is
an
administrative
document
and
generating
step-by-step
guides
how-to
videos,
FAQs
and
also
making
any
additional
updates
to
applicable
web
pages
in
terms
of
Engagement
and
Communications.
Going
forward.
We've
outlined
that
in
in
this
table
here
showing
the
timing
on
the
left.
So
after
the
County
board,
meeting
in
July
we'll
be
reaching
out
to
restaurants
and
tosa
holders.
U
We
will
be
sharing
a
point
of
contact
in
a
place
for
questions
and
answers
in
August
around
time
of
the
continuity
governance
exploration,
we'll
be
providing
additional
details
on
the
October
16th
go
live
date
with
confirming
details
of
their
existing
toses,
again
completing
the
design
guidelines,
document,
information
on
how
to
submit
questions
and
request
consultations
with
staff,
we're
also
developing
checklists
and
charts
of
ptosis
in
any
necessary
approvals
in
terms
of
licenses
and
permits,
and
then
in
September
we'll
be
providing
specific
information
that
restaurants
need
before
making
applications,
including
all
the
info
shared
via
email
in
August,
in
a
hard
copy
format
and
details
on
how
to
apply
again
with
FAQs
and
flowcharts
and
helpful
videos
and
then
October
16th
and
on
is
a
reviewing
of
applications.
B
We
do
we
have
Kate
Bates
on
the
line.
V
My
apologies
I'm
Kate
Bates
president
and
CEO
of
the
Arlington
Chamber
of
Commerce
and
I'm
speaking
tonight
on
behalf
of
the
chamber
in
support
of
the
item.
Temporary
outdoor
seating
areas
have
been
a
marquee
success
for
both
our
local
restaurants
and
our
community.
They
provided
a
key
Lifeline
for
many
of
our
restaurants
to
stay
in
business
during
the
pandemic.
The
ptosis
continued
to
provide
much
needed
additional
Revenue
to
our
restaurants
as
they
face
new
post-pandemic
challenges,
including
Rising
food
costs,
inflation
and
a
Workforce
shortage.
V
The
success
of
the
tosa
program
over
the
last
few
years
makes
a
compelling
case
for
the
vast
majority
of
tosas
to
become
permanent.
The
chamber
is
advocated
for
several
years
in
favor
of
a
path
that
would
allow
operators
to
apply
to
make
their
toes
as
permanent,
allowing
them
to
invest
in
these
spaces
and
to
plan
long
term
with
outdoor
dining
as
a
core
part
of
the
business
model.
In
a
way
it
was
not
before
2020..
V
The
chamber
supports
this
package
of
amendments
to
the
code
and
we
find
the
regulations
to
be
reasonable,
allowing
most
operators
to
keep
their
ptosis
through
an
administrative
administrative
process.
We
appreciate
all
of
the
work
by
staff
up
to
this
point
and
emphasize
the
need
for
staff
to
prioritize
the
communications
as
outlined
with
restaurants
as
the
August
15th
date
approaches
and
Beyond.
V
We
appreciate
that
the
intention
is
to
not
cause
elapse
for
those
with
existing
toses
that
can
be
administratively
approved,
but
the
lapse
from
August
to
October
is
likely
to
raise
many
questions
and
confusion
with
the
impacted
restaurants.
The
chamber
is
looking
forward
to
continued
partnership
with
the
county
to
assist
with
Outreach
and
Communications
to
restaurants.
In
the
coming
weeks,
we
ask
that
the
commission
votes
to
recommend
these
amendments
for
adoption
by
the
County
Board
this
month.
Thank
you
for
your
consideration
and
your
time.
A
Thank
you.
This
was
before
the
Transportation
Commission
last
week
and
as
Mr
Wallace
indicated,
it
was.
The
vote
did
was
to
defer
seven
to
two.
The
I
did
circulate
earlier,
chair
slats
concerns
that
the
Transportation
Commission
had
and
why
they
voted
to
defer
just
to
reiterate
the
six
foot,
clear
width,
one-size-fits-all
approach
for
non-site
plan
and
older
site
plans.
A
It
was
the
concern
and
the
question
is:
why
do
some
buildings
need
eight
foot
sidewalks
others
need
15
foot
sidewalks
if
they
can
all
have
to
be
squished
down
to
six
feet
under
clear
under
clear
width
under
administer
done
administratively,
all
the
toses
in
public
space
are
taken
from
the
sidewalk.
None
are
from
taking
public
parking
spaces
which
gives
priority
again
to
cars
over
pedestrians.
A
The
concern
also
is
that
administrative
approval
will
of
course
mean
more
ptosis,
that's
the
goal,
but
that
will
also
need
more
enforcement,
but
there's
no
provision
for
improved
enforcement
on
the
proposal.
The
that
is
the
Transportation
Commission
report.
Do
we
have
a
zoco
report.
K
Yeah,
yes,
I
did
circulate
a
very
brief
outline,
I
think
if
I
may
characterize
the
zoko
meetings
we
are
generally
in
support
of
the
continuing
tosa
and
converting
them
to
food.
I
think
is
the
acronym
that
we're
using,
but
I,
think
the
discussion
centered
around
implementation
and
policing
and
the
aspect
of
the
you
know
the
details,
the
proverbial
devil
and
the
detail
situation
which
aligns
quite
well
with
the
transportation
commission's
concerns.
A
Okay
and
we
do
have
topics
of
conversation
as
you've
listed
there.
I
will
note
also
that
The
Pedestrian
advisory
committee
and
the
vice
seconded
I
think
by
the
bicycle
advisor
committee
has
weighed
in,
and
that
was
influential
with
the
Trans
with
the
Transportation
Commission
that
had
also
been
circulated
with
that.
It's
before
the
commission
comments,
questions
for
staff
Steiner
and
then
sarley.
L
So
I
remember:
we
actually
met
about
this
in
one
of
the
an
earlier
meeting
last
month
and
there
was
there
were
a
couple
of
ideas
that
we
were
floating
around
I
know.
We
talked
about
dark
skies
and
sort
of
preventing
the
light
pollution
to
go
by
nearby
residential
places.
Was
that
addressed
in
any
significant
way
here
or.
L
U
Yes,
thank
you.
That's
something
I
believe
we
can
take
back
and
formulate
a
response
for
for
the
the
County
Board
report,
I
apologize.
That
was
not
included
in
the
the
staff
report
that
was
updated
last
week.
Okay,.
B
B
Me
Brett
Nick
is
on
the
line
available
to
speak.
If
you
need
them
too,
Nick.
W
Madam
clerk
thanks
so
much
commissioner,
commissioner
strainer
I
I
do
recall
you
mentioning
that
during
our
second
zoko
meeting
and
and
per
Mr
Wallace's
feedback
we'd
be
happy
to
add
some
further
context
to
the
staff
report
that
didn't
make
it
into
the
version
that
was
in
your
packet
tonight.
W
That
being
said
that
the
the
area
that
you've
identified
in
the
draft
text,
that's
in
our
current
zoning
ordinance,
was
added
in
back
in
1994
during
a
time
when,
at
that
time,
outdoor
cafes
were
only
permitted
to
be
utilized
seasonally
by
restaurants,
and
so
the
The
Outdoor
Cafe
had
to
be
pulled
in
and
and
broken
down
a
minimum
of
one
season
out
of
the
year
to
to
fully
embody
that
accessory
nature
and
and
I'll
I'll,
simply
kind
of
reiterate
and
and
reframe.
W
Some
of
the
commentary
that
we
had
at
zoko
for
perhaps
for
members
of
the
public
and
members
of
the
commission
that
weren't
in
attendance
with
us
at
at
the
June
zoko
meeting
how
these
are
in
accessory
use
and
I.
Think
staff
appreciates
the
the
notion
and
the
potential
for
an
outdoor
Cafe
to
to
have
some
of
that.
W
Some
additional
enclosure
during
periods
of
inclement
weather,
that
being
said,
there
is
some
creep
and
there
could
be
the
potential
for
even
well-meaning
restaurateurs
of
being
an
inclusion,
an
inclusion
setting
to
really
be
creating
an
additional
permanent
structure
and
an
addition.
That's
not
necessarily
accessory
to
the
use
and,
and
is
it
would
be
encroaching
into
a
required
setback.
W
So
that's
that's
sort
of
where
we
are
and
why
I
we're
recommending
that
we
maintain
the
the
additional
the
existing
conditions
that
require
the
outdoor
seating
area
to
remain
accessory
and
to
not
be
enclosed.
L
Right,
yeah,
no
I
agree
with
that
concern.
I
think
that's
very
legitimate
that
that
sort
of
creep
could
occur
in
the
language,
though
it
does
say
that
in
M
districts
they
may
be
enclosed
up
to
10
months
a
year,
so
it
is
even
in
the
existing
language.
It
is
a
temporary
sort
of
designation,
so
I
think
if
that
were
just
applied
to
all
districts.
L
I
think
that
to
me
makes
more
logical
sense,
because
if
I
I
think
I
mentioned
this
last
time
too,
is
that
when
you
go
across
the
river
in
DC,
they
have
all
these
nice
warm
clothes
and
heated
restaurants.
You
can
go
to
in
the
winter
and
then
you
know,
I
don't
want
to
leave
everybody
out
in
the
cold
here
in
Arlington
when
they
try
and
go
out
to
eat.
L
K
Thank
you,
Mr
chairman
I,
had
a
clarifying
question
on
the
transition
from
tosa
to
food.
I
know
that
we
had
an
August
15th
sort
of
drop
dead
deadline.
So
what
happens
between
August,
15th
and
October
16th
for
a
restaurant
that
wants
to
keep
the
tosa
in
place?
Do
we
have
a
temporary
permitting
system?
How
are
we
going
to
address
that.
U
Yeah,
so
we're
calling
the
period
between
August,
15th
and
October
16th
as
the
initial
application
period,
where
we'll
be
working
with
restaurants
to
get
in
necessary
applications.
Not
everyone
is
alike,
they're
all
different
and
have
different
requirements,
whether
they
had
been
approved
by
a
use,
permit
or
a
site
plan,
and
so
we'll
be
working
with
them
very
closely
during
that
period
to
determine
what
kind
of
permits
they
need
and
understanding
what
their
intention
is.
X
And
and
yes
and
I
would
also
add
that,
as
long
as
they're
actively
pursuing
an
application,
we
are
not
going
to
be
enforcing
their
current
services,
so
the
idea
of
October
16th
is
also
allowing
them
to
wind
down
through
the
Outdoor
Cafe
season.
So
as
long
as
they're
actively
working
with
us,
we
were
not.
You
know:
post
August
15th.
X
X
K
K
X
The
well
understand,
too,
that
the
the
restaurants
are
going
to
need
time
to
prepare
their
applications,
they're
going
to
need
time
to
submit
their
work
and
they're
going
to
need
time
to
understand
what
the
requirements
are.
So
what
we're
trying
to
do
is
to
provide
them
the
resources
as
they
can,
as
they
start
to
consider
their
options,
because
some
of
them
may
go
back
to
their
prior
certificate
of
occupancy.
Some
may
just
walk
away
from
the
toast
and
others
may
choose
to
come
up
with
a
different
layout.
A
You
know
the
county
statutes
or
a
neighbor
says:
aha
gotcha
now
I've,
never
liked
you.
There
I
don't
like
this.
This
is
now
a
legal.
You
know
you
don't
you're,
not
complying
and
somehow
move
to
enforce
it
outside
of
the
County's
enforcement
mechanisms,
so
that
and
I'm
wondering
whether
the
insurance
companies
would
come
in
and
say
whoa.
This
isn't
insurable
because
it's
violating
the
law.
A
You
know
these
are
the
things
that
are
outside
of
the
County's
control
that
I
I
wonder
about
I,
don't
know
if
we
have
answers
to
that
whether
the
County
attorneys
looked
at
this
at
all,
but
these
are
concerns.
I
have
for
The
Gap
period
because
they're
not
in
compliance
because
they
can't
be
in
compliance.
A
You
know
we've
sort
of
created,
as
as
commissioner
sarley
mentioned,
we
have
this
no
man's
land
time
and
my
concern
is
it
into
being
a
wild
west
to
a
certain
extent,
now
I'm
raising
things
that
may
very
well
not
happen,
but
I'm.
You
know,
I
eat
all
some
lawyers
when
I
get
trained
in
these
type
of
what
ifs
so
I
think
it's
something
we
should
at
least
be
thinking
about
and
trying
to
research
and
see
what
could
happen
if
this
this
occurs.
A
That
said,
I
have
another
couple
of
clarifying
questions,
also
for
the
barring
light
and
sound
for
the
private,
when
private
property
backs
up
on
an
r
or
ra
zones
which
I
fully
support.
I.
Think
that's
a
very
good
modification.
Why
don't?
A
We
have
that
same
ban
for
when
it's
on
sidewalks
that
are
up
against
r
or
ra
districts
or
next
to
rra
districts,
because
I
can
say
two
restaurants
right
now
that
could
potentially
one
has
outside
seating
right
up
against
an
R
zone
in
the
sidewall
public
sidewalks
and
not
now
they
don't
pipe
music
out.
But
someone
in
that
situation
shouldn't
be
able
to
if
they
can't
do
it
on
private
property.
U
Yeah
you're
correct
in
that
we're
only
considering
not
permitting
the
sound
or
audio
adjacent
to
an
RA
District.
We
had
not
considered
other
our
districts.
A
A
Thank
you
further
questions,
comments.
A
Okay,
I
guess:
if
nobody
has
anything
further
to
add
or
talk
about
conscious
early,
do
you
have
motions
yeah?
Do
we
have
any
other
comments?
You
know
we've
raised
a
number
of
topics
here,
but
nobody
seems
to
be
have
any
further
concerns
on
them.
Why.
K
Do
I'll,
just
I'll
just
put
a
few
questions
that
I
put
out
right
if
that
triggers
anything
with
the
commission
and
then
we'll
move
to
motions
one
of
the
things
that
we
wanted
to
perhaps
think
about
and
as
we
go
forward.
Maybe
this
is
not
something
that
will
happen.
Tonight
is
unintended
consequences.
What
are
possible
side
effects
and
again
I
guess
the
toast
that
is
good,
because
we've
had
some
experience
with
it.
So
we
have
a
sort
of
a
meter.
So
maybe
that's
not
a
concern.
K
The
other
issue,
then,
is
as
I
understand
it.
This
is
essentially
complaint
based
enforcement.
Is
that
a
Fair?
So
is
that
enough?
You
know.
Do
my
fellow
Commissioners
believe
that
that's
enough
do
we
need
to
have
you
know,
think
of
a
possible
increases
to
the
enforcement
aspect?
K
U
I
can
address
the
the
second
item
on
on
enforcement
first
and
then
I'll
address
the
guidelines,
so
your
correct
cases
can
be
open
with
our
zoning
enforcement
staff
to
initiate
inspections,
to
determine
whether
a
cafe
is
adhering
to
the
approved
layout
or
the
certificate
of
occupancy.
We
currently
have
two
methods
to
report
the
appearance
of
code
violations.
U
One
is
by
email
and
then
another
is
to
the
zoning
Division
phone
line
or
counter
services
staff
and
that
they
can
be
used
to
answer
questions
on
whether
there's
an
active
case
for
a
particular
address,
for
example,
and
then
second,
on
the
design
guidelines
I
mentioned
earlier-
is
the
administrative
document
we're
currently
working
on
it
to
update
it
to
reflect
the
proposed
approval
process
that
we
presented
tonight.
X
Right
one
thing:
I'd
also
add
about
the
the
sort
of
keeping
up
with
the
ptosis.
One
thing
that
we
appreciate
with
the
Outdoor
Cafe
ordinance,
that's
being
written,
is
there's
an
annual
review,
so
they
have
to
maintain
that
that
Outdoor
Cafe
license,
and
that
gives
us
the
opportunity
to
inspect
and
all
of
these
cafes
will
be
inspected
before
they
they
get
their
certificate
of
occupancy.
So
that
happens
on
the
front
end,
but
annually
there
for
those
that
are
in
the
right
of
way,
they
will
have
to
document
that
they're
maintaining
their
current
design.
K
And
then
the
the
last
sort
of
point
that
we
sort
of
thought
up
was
the
notion
of
revisiting
this.
As
a
as
a
commission
and
staff,
you
know,
should
we
establish
some
sort
of
a
not
a
sunset,
but
you
know
I
mean
a
periodic
check-in
to
see
what
staff's
hearing
to
see
what
the
community
is
hearing.
K
You
know,
I,
don't
know
three
years
four
years,
I
don't
want
to
add
too
much
work
to
staff,
but
you
know
just
so
that
we
keep
tabs
and
we're
continuing
to
improve.
You
know
the
guidelines
and
the
clarity
of
the
document.
A
O
Hi,
thank
you
chair,
so
I
have
a
question
what
you
just
said
about.
They
would
have
to
reapply
every
year.
Do
you
go
out
to
the
site
when
they
reapply
or
is
it
just
sort
of
hey
them
sort
of
giving
their
word
that?
Yes,
they
are
following
protocol
and
the
reason
I'm
asking
is
based
on
our
previous
meetings.
I
was
really
concerned
about
ADA
compliance
and
making
sure
that
restaurants
are
buying
and
buy
some
of
the
restrictions.
U
Yeah
you're
speaking
about
the
Outdoor
Cafe
license.
There
will
be
an
annual
a
renewal
of
the
license
at
that
time.
We
could
conduct
inspections
with
our
zoning
staff.
So
that's
something
we're
considering
doing
on
an
annual
basis
and
even
periodically
throughout
the
outdoor
dining
season
to
check
on
some
of
these
outdoor
cafes.
But.
O
U
U
So
after
they
receive
a
permit,
it
would
be
mostly
complaint
based
or
if
we're
doing,
periodic
inspections
internally,
like
I,
said
if
we
go
out
during
the
Outdoor,
Cafe
dining
season
and
just
check
on
some
of
these,
that
we
may
know
may
be
bad
actors,
for
example,
that's
something
we
could
consider
do
doing
throughout
the
year.
O
Okay,
I
would
encourage
for
there
to
be
some
sort
of
definitive
plan.
I
think
that
would
make
it
us
more
comfortable
at
least
make
me
more
comfortable
with
this
idea,
but
overall
I
do
think.
It's
really
important
to
support
our
business.
Community
I
appreciate
Miss
Bates
comments
on
how
Chamber
of
Commerce
thinks
that
this
is
going
to
be
something
that's
really
good
for
our
businesses,
but
I
do
think
you
know.
At
the
same
time,
we
need
to
keep
in
mind
how
enforcement
and
in
compliance
to
this
is
really
important.
F
I'm
struggling
with
this
a
little
bit
because
I
do
think
that
the
concerns
that
were
raised
in
commissioner
slots
kind
of
report
from
Transportation
commit
commission
it.
It
does
seem
like
there
are
maybe
some
things
about
this
plan
that
have
not
been
fully
hashed
out
and
I.
Think
commissioner
Guevara
with
regards
to
enforcement
sort
of
addressed
some
of
those
I
like
this
as
a
concept
I'm,
just
not
sure
that
I'm
there,
yet
with
some
of
the
considerations
that
have
been
raised
and
I
do
think
there
are
some
valid
concerns.
F
I
mean
one
of
the
items
that
commissioner
slot
right
specifically
was
with
regards
to
sort
of
the
great
variation
in
sidewalk
width
and
if
we
can
sort
of
all
of
a
sudden
go
to
a
much
narrower
sidewalk
with
you
know.
Why
are
we
having
some
of
these
there's?
Not
a
standardization
there
and
and
I
I
think
that's
a
reasonable
question.
F
So
I
don't
know
if
you
want
to
speak
to
that
I,
just
I'm
I,
don't
I
haven't
said:
I
want
to
vote
on
this
I
guess
I
have
to
soon
and
ultimately,
I
didn't
want
to
Vote
or
not
vote
in
a
way
and
then
not
have
context
to
how
I'm
going
to
ultimately
vote.
So
this
is
the
context
I'm
giving
you
which
is
I'm
struggling
right
now.
U
I
can
speak
to
the
clear
sidewalk
it's
noted
on
in
the
summary
from
the
Transportation
Commission
on
page
22
of
the
staff
report
as
well,
but
the
the
six
foot
clear
sidewalk
is
a
minimum
Dimension,
that's
recommended
in
the
MTP
pedestrian
element
in
the
high
density
areas.
It's
also
a
minimum
distance
requirement.
U
That's
been
in
place
for
for
quite
some
time
now
in
the
current
design
guidelines
that
was
last
updated
10
years
ago,
so
it
is
a
minimum
of
where
we
start
from
and
when
we're
considering
some
of
these
buy
right
projects
that
have
not
yet
been
redeveloped
by
site
plan.
However,
the
MTP
also
states
that
the
sector
plans
and
site
plans
may
require
wider
sidewalks.
A
Thank
you,
I
I
was
one
of
the
people
who
voted.
I
was
the
two
within
the
two
of
the
seven
to
two
at
Transportation
Commission,
but
that
was
not
because
I
disagreed
with
anything
that
was
being
raised
by
Transportation
Commission.
It
was
more
because
I
didn't
want
to
put
our
restaurants
even
further
between
a
rock
and
a
hard
place.
It's
something
that
we
have
a
deadline
coming
up
and
we
need
to
do
something
and
it
has
to
be
done.
A
That
said,
I
think
that,
as
an
interim
you
know
I
will
vote
in
favor
of
this,
but
I
very
very
much
want
us
to
be
thinking
through
the
various
air
gaps
questions
things
were
raised
by
Transportation.
Things
were
raised
by
The
Pedestrian
advisory
committee
and
not
wait
three
or
four
years
to
go
back
and
revise
things.
Let's
get
something
in
place,
so
we
can
protect
our
restaurants,
but
then
let's
get
some
reasonable
responses
in
further
thought
out.
A
A
A
As
you
know,
we
have
quite
a
number
of
places
where
we
have
pretty
wide
sidewalks,
but
we
didn't-
and
we
do
allow,
even
within
a
site
plan
for
restaurants
outside
and
I'm,
not
sure
that
we've
always
said
six
feet
is
fine
for,
even
when
they
have
the
tables
out
there
that
sometimes
that
we
did
require
it
to
be
wider,
and
I
could
be
wrong
on
that.
But
I'd
like
to
get
a
little
more
information
on
that
see
what
our
practice
has
been
in
in
those
other
areas.
A
X
If,
if
someone
is
coming
forward
with
an
application
that
is
subject
to
those
site
plan
conditions,
that's
the
starting
point
is:
is
that
minimum
clear
to
distance?
If
it's
8,
10
or
12?
That's
where
we
start
they
can?
They
would
have
to
make
a
very
strong
case
and,
and
also
these
cafes
are
not
continuous
down
the
block
it's
in
front
of
a
storefront.
So
these
are
certainly
compressed
areas
of
six
feet,
but
that's
six
feet
from
the
grate
of
the
tree,
not
from
the
tree.
X
X
There's
always
some
constraints
somewhere
within
and
and
that's
why
oftentimes
we
add
eight
or
ten,
because
we
recognize
in
these
high
traffic
areas
and
and
so
it
would
be,
if
someone's
in
Boston,
with
a
20
foot,
three
23
foot
wide,
sidewalk
and
they're
coming
in
and
suggesting
a
six
foot
clear
distance.
That's
completely
inappropriate
because
it
just
doesn't
work
with
the
Urban
Design
in
the
space.
A
Okay,
thank
you
for
the
explanation.
Any
other
comments
do
anything
further
on
the
list.
Commissioners
Harley
we
should
get
into
okay.
Do
you
have
any
other
further
questions
comments.
K
I
will
move
to
the
Motions,
then
just
to
double
check.
We
have
two
motions:
one
to
adopt
and
one
to
authorize
does
that
cover
it.
Great
I
will
go
with
motion
number
one
and
let
me
get
my
language
correct,
I,
even
wrote
it
down
I
moved
that
the
Planning
Commission
recommend
that
the
County
Board
adopt
the
attached
ordinance
attachment
1
to
amend,
reenact
and
recodify
article
6,
7,
8,
12,
14
and
18
of
the
Arlington
County.
A
Did
anybody
want
to
speak
to
the
motion?
Did
anybody
final
comments.
K
Not
much
I
will
just
add
that
I
think
you
know
continuing
the
the
tosa
is
a
good
thing
for
the
restaurants
and
I
support
that
aspect
of
it.
I
think
the
concerns
of
this
commission,
hopefully
are
being
heard
by
staff
and
that
we're
looking
aggressively
at
ways
to
mitigate
some
of
these
concerns.
A
And
with
that
we'll
take
the
vote.
Commissioner
Bagley
aye,
commissioner
Guevara.
T
F
A
A
I
vote
I
as
well
it
that
motion
passes
seven
to
seven
zero
with
one
abstention.
I'll
do
a
second
motion,
commissioner.
We.
K
Do
I
move
that
the
Planning
Commission
recommend
that
the
County
Board
authorize
the
county
manager
to
direct
staff
to
establish
by
October
16
2023
the
administrative
implementation
infrastructure
and
framework
necessary
to
operation
operationalize
the
future
receipt
review
and
processing
of
applications
for
outdoor
cafes,
in
accordance
with
the
recommended
Arlington
County
zoning
ordinance
amendments
attachment
number
two
and
the
proposed
new
Chapter
70
of
the
county
code
regarding
encroachments
into
public
spaces,
subject
to
a
separate
report
for
the
July
15
2023
County
board
meeting.
A
T
R
A
I
vote
I
as
well
again,
it
passes
seven
to
zero
with
one
abstention.
Thank
you.
Staff
we've
completed
this.
A
A
A
Y
Y
A
Y
And
let's
see
the
other
page
so
as
I
mentioned,
this
is
for
the
YMCA
project
right.
A
I
asked
unanimous,
unanimous
consent
to
approve
the
the
YMCA
site.
Roster
hearing,
no
objections,
it
is
passed,
see
and.
A
Do
we
have
any
reports
we
already
circular
I
circulate
the
lrpc
report
earlier.
If
anybody
has
questions
on
that
the
zoco
report,
you
circulated
that
also
yeah.
K
We
don't
have
any
meetings
on
July
July
and
it's
likely
that
we
won't
have
anything
in
September.
Also.
A
Okay,
thank
you,
commissioner.
Weir
is
not
here
for
the
OG
and
commissioner
Peterson's,
not
here
for
this
brcs,
but
that
was
Center.
I
think
sent
around
a
bit
earlier
other
than
that
so
I'll
staff
report.
Do
we
have
anything
this
month.
Q
B
A
Okay
with
that
do
is
there
anything
else
left
that
we
need
to
talk
about
Madam
Clerk
we've
hit
everything.
A
Right
so
this
concludes
the
Planning
Commission
for
July.
The
next
meeting
is
September
11th,
September,
11th
and
so
I
want
to
thank
the
staff.
I
want
to
thank,
of
course,
there's
nobody
else
here,
but
thank
you
so
The
Bitter
End
for
everybody
who
helped
make
this
happen.
Thank
you,
commissioner.
Patel
for
sticking
me
with
us.