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A
Good
evening,
everyone
and
welcome
to
the
September
14th
2023
site
plan
review
committee,
sprc
subgroup
meeting
for
the
Red
Lion
Hotel
Site,
we'll
be
holding
a
hybrid
public
meeting
which
enables
remote
electronic
participant
as
legally
authorized
by
the
code
of
Virginia
for
the
planning
commission's
electronic
meeting
policy
adopted
on
July
7th
2022
members
of
the
sprc
subgroup
for
the
Red
Lion
sight
plan
Amendment
are
participating
both
here
in
person
and
virtually
through
electronic
needs.
A
At
this
time,
I'd
like
to
orient
everyone
to
our
hybrid
environment
and
cover
a
few
specifics
about
how
tonight's
meeting
will
run.
Members
of
the
public
May
attend
the
meeting
here
in
person
or
electronically
by
using
the
Microsoft
teams
link
provided
on
the
sprc
web
page,
the
project
web
page,
the
County's
events
calendar
and
the
email
notification
sent
to
sprc
email
subscribers.
Additionally,
there
is
a
dial-in
phone
option
for
those
who
wish
to
use
it
for
our
subgroup
members
joining
virtually.
If
anyone
loses
internet
connectivity
during
today's
meeting,
please
reconnect
with
us
bya
phone.
A
Please
keep
your
phones
and
devices
muted
until
you
are
called
upon
turn
off
sound
in
devices
around
you
to
minimize
interference
for
our
virtual
attendees
using
Microsoft
teams.
Please
turn
off
your
video
feed
I
will
address
when
it
is
appropriate
to
turn
it
on
in
a
moment
for
Microsoft
teams,
meeting
chat
is
active
to
serve
two
purposes
for
sprc
subgroup
members
who
need
technical
assistance
and
for
members
of
the
public
to
add
their
names
to
the
list
for
public
comment
which
will
be
taken
at
the
end
of
the
meeting.
A
The
team's
chat
should
not
be
used
for
discussion.
Those
who
were
planning
to
provide
public
comment
with
will
still
need
to
do
so
at
the
end
of
the
meeting,
as
the
chat
will
not
serve
as
that
opportunity.
All
public
comments
must
be
shared
verbally
for
the
record
during
the
assigned
public
comment
period,
additional
notes
for
the
sprc
subgroup
members,
if
subgroup
members
participating
virtually
wish
to
be
recognized
to
speak
on
an
item
during
the
course
of
the
meeting.
Please
turn
your
video
feed
turn
on
your
video
feed
and
raise
the
virtual
hand
in
teams.
A
I
will
monitor
the
video
feeds
that
are
on
as
an
indicator
of
who
would
like
to
speak
if
subgroup
members
are
participating
via
phone
today
without
the
video
option,
please
announce
your
name
and
group.
You
are
representing
now
and
I
will
verbally
check
in
to
see
if
you
wish
to
be
recognized
as
you
do
not
have
the
video
feed
option.
So
we
have
anybody
here,
all
right,
additional
notes
for
our
members
of
the
public,
who
would
like
to
provide
feedback
and
comments
for
our
members
of
the
public.
Who
would
like
to
provide
feedback
and
comment?
A
You
will
be
called
on
to
speak
at
the
end
of
the
meeting
and
will'll
be
allowed
2
to
three
minutes
to
speak
on
M
the
item.
The
speaking
time
allotted
will
depend
on
the
number
of
speakers
we
have
this
evening.
If
you
wish
to
speak,
please
enter
your
name
in
the
meeting
chat
for
virtual
attendees
or
provide
staff
with
your
name
if
in
person,
and
you
will
be
added
to
the
speaker's
list.
Lastly,
this
is
a
public
forum.
Today's
meeting
will
be
recorded
and
posted
to
the
County
website.
A
B
C
A
A
Wonderful,
do
we
have
anybody
else
who
should
be
at
the
table
that
is
online
here?
Have
you
seen
any
no
try
to
remember
initial.
A
You
should
yes,
you
should
yes,
please
and
if
you
wouldn't
mind
since
I'm
getting
older
now,
if
you'd
fiddle
out
one
of
those
cards,
that's
in
front
of
you
there's
pens
over
here.
Just
so
we
know
your
name
and
your
name
again
is.
C
C
C
Here
over
here,
Ryan
or
with
four
parners
developer,
right,
David
or
or.
A
Partners,
okay,
so
again,
thank
you
for
everyone
who
is
attending
tonight.
We
are
going
to
start
first
with
a
staff
presentation.
F
See:
okay
thanks
everybody
again,
my
name
is
Adam
Watson
I'm,
with
current
planning
planning,
division
of
cphd,
AR
County
I'm
GNA
actually
just
skip
this
agenda
because
it
will
be
pretty
apparent.
What
we're
going
to
talk
about
here
over
the
next
couple:
slides,
Advance,
okay,
so
the
site
we're
here
to
discuss
this
evening
is
1501
Arlington
Boulevard
those
who
participated
in
the
site
plan
process.
The
last
time
around.
We
recall
the
site
at
that
time,
and
the
existing
entitlement
that's
still
valid,
includes
Ells
Arms
Apartments
and
the
existing
Red
Lion
Hotel.
F
The
applicant
is
now
expanding
that
site
area
to
include
the
Williamsburg
apartments
that
are
the
far
west
side
of
the
site.
So
behind
the
property
we
have
Park
rosin
apartments
and
the
badier
Condominiums
as
well.
So
our
general
land
use
plan
has
designated
this
site
as
high
medium
residential
and
it's
almost
impossible
to
read
if
you're
in
the
room
but
down
there,
the
the
corresponding
zoning
district
is
RA.
F
4.8,
we'll
come
back
to
that
in
a
minute,
but
there's
also
note
13
on
this
property,
which
is
the
special,
affordable,
housing,
Protection
District,
and
we'll
talk
more
about
that.
Our
next
sprc
meeting,
but
ultimately,
when
this
item
comes
before
the
County
Board,
there
will
also
be
a
general
land
use
plan
or
glove
amendment.
To
add
note
note
13
to
this
corner
here
to
to
fill
in
the
Gap,
so
to
speak
in
terms
of
our
overarching
land
use
policy
guidance.
We
have
the
Rosland
station
area
plan
addendum
from
1992.
F
It
does
not
provide
any
site
specific
guidance
for
this
property,
but
does
include
some
overall
objectives
that
we're
going
to
be
using
to
evaluate
that
this
project,
which
includes
creating
a
more
urban
form,
increasing
opportunities
for
housing
and
providing
an
integrated
system
of
transportation
that
emphasizes
a
multi
modal
approach
and
for
those
who
are
wondering
this
site
is
outside
of
the
2015
Rosland
sector
plan
study
unit.
So
the
applicant
is
proposing
to
reone
the
Blue
Area
here
from
ra
to
ra
4.8
and
two
slides
ago.
K
F
The
glove
SL
I
mentioned
ra
4.8,
that
is,
that
is
consistent
with
the
general
land
use
plan.
So
from
a
land
use
perspective,
the
applicants
proposed
resoning
is
consistent
with
the
general
land
use
plan.
The
development
summary
I'm
going
to
go
over
this
briefly
because
I
know
the
applica
will
talk
more
about
this
in
their
presentation.
F
But
again,
this
would
essentially
expand
the
existing
site
plan
to
add
in
the
Williamsburg
apartment,
Site
Area,
looking
at
a
total
of
446
dwelling
units
at
a
density
of
4.59,
F
total
in
terms
of
parking
spaces,
255
spaces,
that's
057
spaces
per
dwelling
unit
residential.
The
applicant
is
voluntarily
going
to
participate
in
the
Green
Building
incentive
policy
and
we'll
do
legal
construction
at
the
35
F
level,
which
includes
a
number
of
other
things
that
we
will
talk
again
again.
F
The
next
meeting
with
bird
friendly
material,
certain
amount
of
EV
parking
energy
performance
metrics
that
again
we
we'll
cover
in
more
detail.
The
next
meeting
they'll
also
be
complying
with
our
special,
affordable
housing,
Protection
District,
which
we'll
also
talk
about
next
meeting,
but
in
a
nutshell,.
K
F
That
calls
for
replacing
the
units
or
bedrooms
that
are
to
be
demolished
in
the
lsrs
and
Williamsburg
buildings
and
replacing
them
on
site.
There
are
a
couple:
zoning
modifications
for
additional
density,
reduced
parking
and
loading
requirements
and
exclusions
of
below
grade
mechanical
and
storage
base.
I'll
note:
this
proposal
does
not
include
the
Arlington
Boulevard
Trail
Capital
project
across
across
the
street.
F
That
is
a
capital
project
that
the
county
is
is
undergoing
base
engineering
for
right
now,
however,
the
applicant's
design
is
working
in
tandem
with
us
and
it's
not
going
to
preclude.
F
Of
of
that,
as
it
moves
forward
in
terms
of
zoning
compliance,
so
the
proposal
overall
does
comply
with
the
provisions
of
the
ra
4.8
multi
multif
family
dwelling
District.
Obviously
this
is
the
multiple
family
dwelling
district
and
a
multiple
family
residential
use
is
is
allowed
here.
The
height
of
the
building
is
proposed
to
be
75
ft,
and
that
is
substantially
less
than
the
district
maximum,
which
is
136
ft
in
terms
of
density.
They
are
above
the
base,
3.24
F
density
level.
F
However,
the
applicant
is
going
to
be
working
with
us,
as
allowed
in
the
zoning
ordinance
for
the
County
Board
to
approve
additional
density,
Above
That
Base
in
exchange
for
things
such
as
the
Sustainable
Building
design
in
terms
of
the
building
massing
and
architecture.
Some
things
that
we'd
be
curious
to
hear
from
you
tonight
that
we've
been
working
with
the
applicant
on
and
I'll
just
take.
These
are
three
of
the
big
things
this
this
Western
corner
of
the
building.
F
Here
we
are
look
looking
into
whether
or
not
there's
a
possibility
or
potential
for
this
area
to
sort
of
be
keep
the
columns
in
place
but
open
up
the
the
building.
A
little
bit
to
sort
of
have
more
of
an
open
vestibule,
because
this
is
an
ENT
entry
point
here
for
the
Bike
Room
further
further
up
in
the
building.
So
this
is
one
area
where
staff
is
looking
Transformer
door
treatment.
You
have
three
Transformer
doors
at
grade
along
Fairfax
Drive.
The
applicant
is
going
to
be
I.
F
Not
want
to
steal
their
thunder
so
they're
going
to
have
a
slide
where
they'll
show
you
some
precedent,
images
of
how
they're
proposing
to
treat
these
doors,
and
so
we'll
bu
your
feedback
on
that
and
then
lastly,
there's
quite
a
bit
of
fiber
cement
used
as
a
facade
material
in
the
upper
levels
of
this
building
and
we're
working
with
the
applicant
to
see
if
we
can't
replace
that
by
adding
a
little
bit
more
brick
or
metal
or
something
a
little
bit
better
than
fiber
cement,
not
to
knock
it.
F
But
that
is
is
those
are
some
of
the
three
main
topics
that
we're
working
on
and
we'd
love.
To
hear
more
from
you
tonight,
discussion
I'll
briefly
go
over
our
community
engagement.
We,
we
did
have
our
online
feedback
back
in
July
and
August.
We
had
73
participants.
Thank
you.
Everyone
who
participated
community
outreach.
We
have
R
for
my
Heights
here
at
the
table.
Beler
Condominiums
are
represented
here,
we'll
keep
trying
to
reach
out
to
the
park
rosin
apartments,
and
if
there's
anybody
online
from
Park
rosin,
please
let
us
know
additional
promotion.
F
We
put
this
on
the
ali
engage
web
page.
We
have
an
e
newsletter
and
social
media
and
we
do
a
bilingual
flier.
In
addition
to
some
special
considerations,
we
have
reached
out
with
some
tenants
of
the
Williamsburg
departments
about
tenant
relocation
which
again
we'll
talk
about
the
next
sprc
meeting,
but
we
heard
from
them
during
the
online
engagement
and
we'll
continue
to
reach
out
to
them
public
review
process.
F
We
are
at
the
first
sprc
meeting
tonight,
we'll
be
talking
about
land
use,
building,
massing
and
height
and
architecture
at
the
next
meeting,
which
is
on
October
19th,
we'll
be
talking
about
housing,
Transportation,
landscaping
and
biophilia,
and
then
Community
benefits
and
construction.
Community
benefits
would
include
sustainability
elements
as
well.
I
would
add,
okay,
that
is
all
from
me
again.
My
name
is
Adam
Watson
and
my
contact
information
is
on
this
presentation.
So
if
anybody
needs
to
get
in
touch,
you
know
where
to
find
me
and
I
will
pivot
to
Mr
comings.
B
Perfect
I
think
if
Kevin
could
take
your
seat
or
slide
in
that
might
help,
because
he's
going
to
cover
after
me
sure
do
she.
F
B
Has
joined
us
so
I'm
just
going
to
go
ahead
and
start
talking,
while
Kevin
gets
settled
in
there
but
good
evening.
Everyone
again
Nick
Cummings,
with
Walsh
Puchi
you're,
representing
the
applicant
I'm,
going
to
introduce
the
site
I'm
going
to
give
you
some
brief
background
before
the
design
team
represented
here
by
Kevin,
Pennington,
presents
the
site,
design
and
Building
architecture.
The
first
slide
once
Kevin
gets
to.
It
is
a
shot
of
the
existing
site.
It's
a
little
hard
to
read
from
here,
but
we
did
label
the
various
portions
of
the
assemblage.
B
A
is
the
existing
Red
Line
hotel
that
has
about
125
rooms.
It
was
originally
constructed
in
the
1950s
and
substantially
renovated
in
1980s,
B
and
C,
which
again
are
almost
impossible
to
read
from
here.
If
you're
sitting,
where
I'm
sitting
are
the
Ellis
arms,
which
would
be
B
and
then
C
is
the
Williamsburg
Apartments.
Those
are
the
two
1950s
construction,
14
unit
apartment
buildings
with
the
market
rate,
affordable
units
in
them
that
we
would
be
replacing
pursuant
to
the
shpd.
B
Many
of
you
may
recall,
as
Adam
cited,
that
we
have
a
prior
site
plan
approval
for
this
site.
That
did
include
just
the
Ellis
arms
in
the
existing
Hotel.
The
approval
was
to
replace
the
hotel
with
a
new
hotel
and
to
build
much
smaller,
Residential
Building
in
place
of
the
lson
arms,
the
former
owner
who's
now
actually
partnered
with
or
Partners
on.
B
This
specific
project
really
did
want
to
build
the
Brier
approval,
but
due
to
the
coid
pandemic
and
just
the
changing
nature
of
the
market,
it
really
became
infeasible
to
go
ahead
with
a
hotel
construction
and
then
much
more
appealing
to
you
know,
potentially
look
at
all
residential
Development
Across
this
entire
site
and
then
of
course,
one
exciting
thing
that
we
were
able
to
do
here.
B
Just
with
various
properties,
Changing
Hands
in
the
county
was
to
add
the
Williamsburg
Apartments,
which
then
is
kind
of
the
final
piece
of
the
puzzle
to
fill
out
this
assemblage
and
consolidate
what
remains
of
this
block
for
lack
of
a
better
term
really
running
from
the
Vader.
To
that
intersection
there
right
near
the
park,
Rosland
was
able
to
really
kind
of
fill
out
and
redevelop.
All
of
this
older
construction
bring
a
much
higher
soon,
so
Adam
address
zoning.
B
But,
of
course
we're
you
know
proposing
to
rezone
this
entire
site
to
ra
4.8
that
will
be
consistent
put
to
the
next
slide,
so
this
is
existing
conditions
and
I
think
is
almost
exactly
what
Adam
just
showed
I'll.
Just
briefly
note
that,
obviously
these
are
these
older
buildings,
supported
in
part
by
a
sea
of
surface
parking.
B
The
site
is
largely
paved
over
with
a
few
trees
on
some
of
the
edges
still
living
today,
you
can
move
the
next
slide,
so
Kevin
will
talk
more
about
what
we're
doing
with
the
building,
but
here's
another
existing
condition.
It's
actually
kind
of
exciting
the
underground
garage
I,
know
exciting
right.
The
underground
garage
is
going
to
be
used
with
this
application.
B
That's
something
that
we
don't
often
see
and
something
that
we
did
not
try
to
do
with
the
previous
approval
that
actually
included
a
parking
garage
at
the
rear
of
the
site
was
partially
above
grade.
So,
instead,
with
this
application,
we're
going
to
reuse
the
existing
below
grade
garage,
there
will
be
some
parking
that
is
above
the
grade
of
Fairfax,
but
it
will
all
be
fully
wrapped
by
the
building
and
well
below
the
grade
of
16
1
nor
the
next
slide.
This
is
the
basics
of
our
proposal.
B
I'm
not
going
to
recite
all
these
numbers,
which
you
can
obviously
viously
see
here
that,
like
Adam
referenced,
we
are
participating
in
the
green
Goldie
incentive
program
at
the
35
F
level.
You
know
to
my
knowledge,
it's
actually
the
highest
tier
that
folks
have
hit
so
far
in
the
gbi,
so
that
is
a
fairly
aggressive
set
of
you
know.
Green.
B
Elements
and
we'll
talk
about
that.
The
next
meeting,
the
total
proposed
density
you
know,
reflects
the
fact
that
we
are
proposing
446
units
on
site.
We
have
97,000
ft
of
bonus
density
to
earn
with
Community
benefits.
It's
obvious,
it's
a
good
number
of
units
and
we're
really
excited
to
bring
that
to
the
community,
especially
with
a
building
design
that
helps.
You
know,
reduce
the
impact
on
the
surrounding
structures,
minimize
the
impacts
to
their.
B
You
know
existing
views
and
all
that
just
because
it's
not
quite
as
tall
as
it
could
be,
but
certainly
still
delivering
a
good
number
of
units
and
really
thrilling
the
Gap
here
with
a
lot
of
much
needed
housing
charm
to
the
county.
So
you
know
with
that
I'm
going
to
yield
to
Kevin
and
run
through
the
rest
of
the
slides
and
tell
you
about
the
building
design.
Okay,.
H
Great,
thank
you
Nick,
so
this
slide
show
the
basic
site
plan.
Overall,
you
can
see
it
from
the
roof
as
the
bird's
flying
over
it
main
features
of
the
building.
Is
it
it's
pushing
towards
the
edge
of
the
site,
but
remaining
back
from
the
from
the
adjacent
properties?
You
can
see
we're
back
from
the
beler,
from
the
16th
Street
line
and
from
the
Park
Roslin
on
all
sides,
except
for
the
one
corner.
H
If
I
can
point
to
it
at
this,
this
you
know
Western
Edge
and
on
that
that
edge
we're
pushing
up
tight
to
the
property
line
showing
on
the
roof
plan.
You
can
see
that
there
is
a:
u
a
a
roof
level
observation
deck.
We
have
a
center
contemplative
Courtyard
over.
On
the
east
side,
we
have
a
pull
deck
facing
south
to
maximizer
sun
exposure
and
then
on
the
far
west
side.
H
There's
a
triangular
shap
shaped
it's
a
it's
a
small
courtyard
and
that's
actually,
where
we're
doing
our
bio
retention
for
the
site.
Also
Up
on
the
Roof
I
should
mention
that
in
this
area
there
is
a
dog
park
that
you
know
the
tenants
would
be
able
to
access
as.
H
Well,
looking
at
the
site
sections,
you
can
get
a
sense
of
the
amount
of
Hillside
that
we're
contending
with,
as
you
come
from
the
the
lower
edge
of
along
Fairfax
Drive,
the
site
goes
up
about
3
and
a
half
floors
to
the
16th
Street
side.
So
that's
how
most
of
the
parking
garage
is
actually
tucked
into
the
deck.
You
can
start
seeing
that
you
know
existing
parking
garage
that
is
tucked
down
and
being
reused.
That's
quite
a
challenge
and
we're
we're
pleased
that
we're
able
to
do
that.
H
We're
reusing
the
existing
structure
and
pushing
it
up
through
to
the
new
building
to
to
resupport
that
that
and
then
on
this
Edge
you
can
see
our
separation
from
the
park,
Rosland
site
and
the
background.
You
can
see
the
badier
on
this
upper
slide
and
we
come
in
at
around
their
fourth
floor
level
with
our
roof.
H
B
H
Height
over
on
the
right
side
of
this
upper
site
section,
you
can
see
the
beler
pool
deck
and
this
location
relative
to
our
own
pool
deck
in
that
Eastern.
H
Courtyard,
the
cel
ation,
looking
as
you're
coming
sort
of
the
view
as
you're
coming
out
of
DC,
coming
down
Arlington
Buble
board
and
looking
at
it
from
the
Southeast
looking
towards
the
West
Northwest,
and
we
we
thought
it
was
important
to
do
something
interesting
along
this
corner
of
the
building.
So
we
rotated
it
slightly
and
tried
to
create
some
interest
and
opening
it
up.
This
way
allowed
for
better
views
from
the
residents
that
are
in
this
portion
of
the
building
the
center
of
the
courtyard.
H
That
would
be
overlooking
the
pool
below
and
be
able
to
see
past
the
Eastern
corner
of
the
building
into
the
District
of
Columbia.
You
start
getting
a
sense
of
the
street
activation
that
we're
proposing
along
through
here.
This
first
level
is
the
existing
garage,
so
we're
we're
limited
as
to
what
we
can
do
to
activate
it.
So
we're
looking
at
a
a
series
of
high
quality
materials,
high
quality
Masones,
to
allow
for
some
openings
into
the
garage
for
ventilation,
but
also
just
create
cre
that
interest
along
the
street
front.
H
We
have
some
other
slides
that
will
show
that
in
a
little
bit
more
detail,
you
can
see
the
bridge
here
that
is
existing
pedestrian
bridge
crossing
the
Arlington
Boulevard
and
there
is
a
bike
path
upgrade
that's
planned,
it's
not
part
of
this
project,
but
it's
going
to
be
happening
along
this
median
strip,
we're
not
showing
exactly
what
that
is
because
I
I
don't
believe
it's
it's
exactly
known
at
this
point,
but
that's
going
to
be.
We
did
work
very
hard
with.
B
The
county
to
sure
that
we
were
accommodating
the
amount
of
RightWay
that
they
needed
to
build
that
Improvement
and
we
were
kind
of
building
the
train
while
was
on
track.
So
that
submitted
this
application.
And
then
the
county
was
kind
of
catching
up
to.
You
know,
decide
exactly
how
they
wanted
those
public
improvements
to
work.
So
we
did
a
redesign
before
we
even
came
into
all
of
you
to
help
accommodate
that
and
while
painful
we
were
happy
to
do
it
to
help.
You
know
improve
the
public
real
outside.
H
The
I
should
point
out
the
Tre
on
the
right.
That
is
that's
drawn
correctly.
It
might
even
be
a
little
bit
taller
than
than
what's
actually
shown
and
we
we
able
to
save
that
tree.
It's
on
the
the
Bel
side,
but
because
of
the
way
that
we're
using
the
existing
garage
there
won't
be
any
impact
to
the
root
system
of
that
tree.
So
we're
really
happy
to
do
that.
H
There's
you
know
it's
definitely
a
beautiful
tree,
a
keepy
looking
from
the
South,
be
the
Southeast
side,
I'm,
sorry,
Southwest
side
to
the
intersection
of
nor
North,
Pierce
and
Fairfax
Drive
again,
you
can
see
the
bridge
on
the
right.
This
is
the
the
corner
that
was
mentioned
before,
and
we
are
looking
at
ways
that
that
could
potentially
be
opened
up.
We
do
think,
there's
the
potential
to
do
something
with
it.
H
You
can't
really
see
the
loading
dock
I'm,
sorry,
the
Transformer
doors
but
I
believe
there's
a
slide
later
in
here
where
we
can,
we
can
get
into
that
more,
but
we're
proposing
balconies
on
certain
number
of
the
units
along
this
side.
The
nicer
views
are
more
towards
the
north
side
and
the
hillside.
H
Park
zooming
in
on
the
main
entrance
one
of
the
things
that's
driving
the
you
know
this
entrance
being
where
it
is,
is
the
site
constraints,
reusing
the
existing
garage,
limited
us
to
entering
the
garage
near
the
mid
block
just
to
the
east
of
the
the
mid
block,
and
that
became
the
natural
place
for
us
to
set
the
main
entrance
and
then
over
on
the
far
left
side,
you
can
start
seeing
where
the
three
Transformer
doors
are
the
loading
dock
door,
and
then
this
is
the
the
residential
Leasing
and
Lobby
office.
H
There
should
be
a
lot
of
activation
on
this
side
up
on
this
level.
The
third
level
up,
you
can
see
all
the
glass
that
on
the
inside
amenity
space,
the
owner
is
committed
to
doing
you
know
a
lot
of
nice
amenity
space
for
the
project
is
very
important
to
them
and
we're
looking
at
a
three-story
communicating
stair
from
the
first
level
up
to
the
to
the
third.
H
Floor
looking
at
the
16th
Street
side,
this
is
all
private
Drive
leading
to
the
veter.
We
are
looking
at
putting
the
the
major
amount
of
balconies
as
much
as
we
can
facing
the
park
on
this
side.
You
know
you
can
see
some
of
the
existing
trees
along
the
Street
Front
there.
The
private
drive
that
we're
looking
to
keep.
So
when
we
were
challenged
with
doing
something
for
the
Transformer
doors.
We
were
scratching
our
head.
How
we
do
it
one
of
the
challenge
of
that
is.
H
It
is
a
Transformer
door
and
it
does
need
to
breathe.
So
we
have
to
open
it
up.
It
needs
a
lot
of
air
for
it
to
naturally
ventilate.
So
what
we
are
proposing
is
is
taking
the
the
trees
that
are
found
in
the
hillside.
Part,
which
are
you
know,
hickory
trees,
Red,
Oaks,
I,
think
there's
some
plum
trees
up
there,
but
we're
looking
at
taking
those
species
of
trees
and
and
and
etching
them
in
to
the
to
the
aluminum
doors
for
these
Transformer
buls.
H
So
it's
going
to
be
a
series
of
solid
and
open
areas
to
help
achieve
the
amount
of
volume
of
air
that
we
need
to
to
ventilate
those
Transformers
and
I
think
we
can
show
more
examples.
Staff
wants
to
see
it,
but
we're
pretty
excited
about
being
able
to
to
do
something
like
that.
We
we've
done
some
additional
studies
on
it
as
well.
Touching
back
on
this
parking
has
to
enter
in
this
location.
It's
you
know
practically
the
only
place.
H
It
is
virtually
the
only
place
that
can
enter
based
on
the
existing
garage
that
we
have
to
keep
it
things
really
just
laid
themselves
out,
as
they
could
only
be,
and
we
needed
the
lobby
and
leasing
area
down
here
on
the
ground
level,
mid
block
activation
and
then
the
hill
starts
going
up
as
you
move
to
the
west
and
when
you
exit
up
this
corner
you're
on
the
second
floor,
so
there
was
only
a
certain
amount
of
space
to
work
on
that
first
level
to
get
the
three
needed.
H
Transformers
the
loading
birth
with
with
two
loading
spaces
and
the
amount
of
Lobby
leas
basis
required
to
serve
the.
A
Okay,
thank
you
so
tonight
we're
not
talking
about
Transportation
we're
not
talking
about
Community
benefits
biophilia
any
of
those
things,
but
we
are
talking
about
about
first
land
use
so
to
open
it
up
to
anyone
who
has
a
question
comment.
Anything
about
land
use
and
I
do
want
to
recognize.
Chris
Slatt
from
Transportation
Commission
has
joined
us.
Is
there
anyone
else
here
who
has
joined.
A
F
E
Lot
of
time
with
the
Gables
building,
that's
down
the
street
and
it's
very
annoying
we'll
say
to
walk
all
the
way
down
the
hill
and
a
lot
of
the
foot
traffic.
That's
going
to
be
coming
to
this
building
is
we're
going
to
be
coming
from
Wilson
Boulevard.
C
That
Corridor,
that's
towards
the
back
of
this
building,
where
there
aren't
really
primary.
C
And
I
I
know
that
there
are
limitations
with
the
site,
putting
the
entrance
on
Route
50
there,
where,
honestly,
not
a
lot
of
people
are
going
to
be
coming
from
I.
Think
that
that's
a
concern
that
I've
seen
it's
just
off
of
that.
B
Design
really
I'd
love
to
answer
that.
So,
if
and
I
I
can
tell
that
the
folks
from
the
Vader
R
more
LS
than
we
do
itching,
it's
a
16th
road
and
it
Adam.
If
you
can
here,
16th
road
is
public
to
the
point
where
Adam
is
going
to
identify
right
and
then,
after
that,
it's
a
SL
to
driveway
yeah.
B
That
label
for
trash
and
receiving
access
is
really
just
a
note
for,
like
you
know,
we
have
these
right
for
the
existing
building,
but
we're
going
to
be
doing
trash
and
the
loading
dock
like
we're
expected
to
with
the
conditions
and
stuff.
But
we
do
have
the
right
to
just
trash
pickup
and
restaurant
delivery,
which
is
an
easement
from
you
know
way
back
when
sure.
So
it
is
not
possible
to
bring
the
building
to
phase
16th,
because
we
don't
have
the
right
to
do
that.
B
It's
property
there,
so
the
entrance
does
have
to
be
in
the
sort
of
rough
zone
of
where
it
is
and
what
Kevin
was
getting
at
is
that
once
you
laid
out
once
you
grade
you
Transformers
you
parking
brush,
entr
to
use
the
existing
garage
to
save
all
that
concrete.
To
say,
I
mean
it's
good
for
the
environment,
it's
good
for
us,
but
there's
really
not
a
great
other
location.
B
We're
we're
looking
at
creative
ways
and
barn
and
I
have
bar
is
one
of
the
lawyers
for
the
Bader
to
maybe
accommodate
that
without
touching
the
Bader
property,
but
there's
not
really
a
share
right
now.
K
B
B
We
had
the
same
conversation
in
2019
and
it
it
would
be,
you
know
desirable,
but
we
need
to
work
it
out
in
a
way
that
respects
our
neighbors
property
rights
and.
I
Side,
I
I
just
make
one
comment
about
from
the
bel's
perspective:
that
area
that
is
characterized
as
trash
and
recycling
accesses.
We
have
a
different
view
of
what
that
EAS,
those
easement
rights
are
I.
I
will
tell
you
the
cons,
concern
that
the
Bader
is
expressed
consistently
and
we've
had
a
good
working
relationship
with
the
or
people
is
the
beler
driveway.
It's
really
not
correctly
labeled.
I
When
you
come
toward
the
beler
side
of
North
Pierce
Street,
it's
really
the
beler
driveway
is
really
a
a
safety
concern,
particularly
in
the
winter
months,
when
it's
dark.
We
just
don't
want
situation
where
we
have
accidents.
People
walking
in
the
driveway
dogs
walk
in
the
driveway,
so
the
beler.
The
board
has
considered
this.
K
I
In
some
long
discussion
that
that
area
really
is
not
something
that
we
want
to
engage
in
this
process
just
for
the
safety
issue,
that's
the
primary
cons.
A
C
C
C
Yeah
I
was
going
to
say
it's
interesting
when
looking
at
the
addendum,
which
I've
been
many
many
times
over
these
years,
to
remember
that
it's
a
very
different
time
very
different
Vis,
very
different
mitigations
was
a
time
and
by
the
way
it's
referred
to
here
as
medium
one,
the
street
systems
tapering,
which
is
tremendous
effect
of
whatever
we
do
and
I
think
that
would,
as
as
you
go
along
Fairfax,
you
see
how
well.
C
These
Heights
relate
all
the
way
up
to
Road
Street.
What
seems
out
of
place
as
some
of
the
large
Square
structures
that
come
into
play
the
years
since,
but
also
another
thing
to
remember,
and
that
has
to
do
I
think
a
lot
with
setbacks
and
the
way
we
look
at
Arlington,
Boulevard
and
airb
backs
and
I
just
wish.
C
Well,
you
all
wish
I'm
sure
that
Carrie
Johnson
was
here
to
remind
us
all
of
what
a
vision
of
what
Arlington
Bullard
warout
50
could
be
as
a
place
that
integrated
various
communities,
various
Heights
as
you
got
closer
to
to
Rosland,
but
and
acted
as
war
of
Grand
Boulevard,
a
gateway
to
the
nation's
capital,
to
the
Parklands
to
the
access,
and,
as
we
lost
a
lot
of
that,
unfortunately,
the
very
protracted
negotiations
for
the
DOL
for
buer
height
and
a
lot
of
the
compromis
to
save
something.
C
C
We
certainly
support
anything
that
can
be
done
as
far
as
setback
sidewalks,
something
that's
more
really
a
whole
street
instead
of
just
saying
whole
street,
and
do
remember
that
again,
it's
different
framework
when
you're
talking
in
theend,
but
you
know
when
they
talk,
and
but
this
street
is
considered
an
urban
well,
you
know,
I'll
tell
you
there's
a
reason.
C
I
just
want
to
say,
there's
a
reason
why
this
wasn't
considered
in
Raza
sun,
because
it's
Fort
Meer
Heights,
which
is
a
very
distinct
different
community
and
several
neighborhoods
actually
adjacent
to,
but
of
a
very
different
nature.
Some
of
that's
lost
all
the
time,
but
I
must
say
that,
as
we
look
at
this
I
like
very
much
the
attempt
at
scale
and
whatever
thing
is
bodus
as
we're
talking
about
bodus
is
this:
this
is
part
of
of
the
land
use.
C
A
K
C
Years
is
we
have
a
concern
for
losing
udit,
affordable,
lock
and
affordable
unit.
We
have
a
much
greater
concern
for
losing
residents
so
for
the
next
meeting.
I
hope
that
we
will
find
now
what
happened
to
the
people
in
Ellis,
where
the
plans
are
here
and
we've
always
given
that
a
priority,
but
with
bonus
negotiations,
there's
an
ability
to
actually
try
to
get
everyone
right
to
return
much
better
than
what
is
allowed
by
the
county
and
at
the
always
supported
at
at
the
rates
that
they
left
at.
A
Stuart,
thank
you,
and
one
of
the
beauties
of
this
meeting
is
some
of
those
topics
will
be
covered
the
next
time
and
the
app
is
sitting
here
and
making
mental
notes
of
things
to
make
sure
that
they
address
the
next
time.
So
we
appreciate
that
anything
else
on
land
use
and
if
not,
we
will
go
to
building
massing.
C
Yeah
I
have
some
questions,
I
guess
for
staff
Adam.
This
is
not
going
as
high
as
it
can
go.
Would
that
if
it
went
higher,
would
that
mean
there
could
be
more
units
on
this
site,
or
is
this
using
up
the
density
units.
I
C
D
Those
hi,
actually,
we
were
just
sort
of
adding
on
this
side
about
that.
This
is
a
very
desirable
area
and
it's
I
mean
it
looks
incredible
and
I'm
just
wondering
why
we're
not
leveraging
more
of
the
potential
density
that
could
be
used.
B
We
did
we're
increasingly
seeing
that
if
the
permissible
height
is
something
like
136
ft
or
something
in
that
range,
the
far
more
economical
or
really
Peaceable
route
is
to
do
the
stick
over
Podium
the
wood
rame
over
concrete
and
to
justify
going.
J
B
C
C
E
C
K
B
R,
you
would
tell
us
that
it's
primarily
since
interest
rates
have
gone
up
substantially,
hard
cost,
which
means
the
cost
of
materials,
but
also
the
cost
of
Labor
have
gone
them
substantially
and
then
any
other
factors
but
I
think
that's
biggest
twoo
right
there
yeah
that's
right,
concrete.
D
B
F
Yeah
is
that
GNA
work,
I
I,
don't
I,
don't
I,
don't
know
we
might
waste
some
time
trying
to
do
that.
Why
don't
we
go
ahead
and
try
and
we
can
talk.
C
F
Yeah
but
staff
is
staff,
is
I
mean
in
this
case
we
are
agnostic
on
stepb
back.
We
have
no
policy
guidance
requiring
or
recommending
any
step
back
for
this
for
this
particular
building.
So,
generally
speaking,
you
know
it's
usually
a
site
by
sight
basis,
based
on
the
adopted
planning
guidance
for
each
site
or
if
there's
zoning
requirements,
claron.
F
Also
address
the
public
real
yeah
yeah,
that's
true
with
the
Shadows,
that's
usually
the
concern
is,
is
is
Shadow
impact
on
public
space,
because
obviously
every
building
cast
a
shadow-
and
you
know
there
are
certain
areas
and
certain
sector
plans
where
we
have
identified
usually
public
space
or
open
space
that
you
know
we
want
to
preserve
light
in
that
area.
This
is
not
the
case
for
this.
B
Site,
I
would
say
big
picture.
The
site
has
existed
in
its
current
state
for
a
very
long
time
and
I.
Think
all
of
us
fully
understand
that
folks
are
going
to
get
used
to
what's
there,
but
I
think
we're
bringing
in
higher
and
better
use,
and
it
will
involve
some
change
but
I
think
it's
better
for.
F
G
C
But
because
this
is
adaptive,
re
use,
so
it's
there.
That's
such
an
amazingly
good
thing
that
it's
like
okay,
I'm
not
going
to
make
the
slightest
objection
to
that,
because
I
think
we
really
have
to
do
more
of
this
reuse
of
something
that's
already
there.
So
I'm
really
impressed
that
you
were
creative
enough
to
be
able
to
do
that.
So
that's
that's
one
of
the
real
attractions.
C
Placing
of
this
project
right
now
is
being
able
to
use
that
embedded
energy
for
and
just
leave
it
there
and
have
to
really
use
for
so
I'm
I'm,
totally
content
with
what
you're
doing
on
that
part
of
of
refence
drive.
We
have
an
architectural
screening
on
that
side
too
kind
of
minimize,
oh
right
and
I
know
you.
You
have
to
do
that,
but
normally
the
scream
wouldn't
be
good
enough.
C
It's
like
no
we're
not
going
to
have
parking
right
up
against
Calk
if
you
were
doing
it
new,
it
wouldn't
pass,
but
doing
it
this
way,
total
pass
as
far
as
I'm
concerned
underst.
Thank
you.
B
Right:
okay,
Shadow
study,
we're
gonna:
can
we
go
full
screen
on
it?
Can
we
zoom
in
May.
F
B
F
F
I'm
just
kidding
Nick,
if
you
could
Orient
us
to
which,
which
of
these
likee.
A
H
Right,
it's
a
little
bit
difficult
to
see,
but
the
the
middle
one
and
the
middle
right
are
probably
the
the
most
useful
ones
and
I
apologize.
This
version
that
you're
looking
at
does
not
actually
have
the
dates
written
on
there
we
can
send.
That
is
that
the
yeah
there's.
H
Middle
right,
so
the
one
to
the
to
the
left
there
is
at
yeah
I
believe
that
one
is
at
noon
and
if
you
pan
down
noon
on
the
middle
of
June
and
then
that
bottom
one
is
noon
in
the
winter
time.
So
it's
not
getting
any
shade.
H
And
if
you
look
on
the
right
side
there,
that
is
in
the
winter
time
at
6:00
and
it's
casting
more
of
a
shadow
and
if
you
pan
to
the
one
up
from
there
right
that
one
is
at
I
believe
that
one's
at
3,
300
p.m.
I'm.
Sorry
I,
think
these
two
on
the
right
are
at
300
p.m.
but
we
were
happy
to
send
that
to
that
to
the
to
staff.
B
D
C
I,
don't
know
if
it's
building
messing
or
not,
but
the
people
I
guess
on
the
first.
Well,
it's
depending
on
which
presentation
is
the
four
four,
where
top
up,
but
let's
say
from
the
people
from
our
tier
22
to
26
I'm
not
going
to
talk
about
black
views
because
I
know
there's
no
rights
of
view,
but
it's
a
kind
of
boring
wall
that
they're
going
to
see
of
just
building
no
variation,
no
articulation
nothing
so
at
least
make
it
more
interesting
than
what
what's
there
now
appreciate.
C
K
E
First,
so
I'll
I'll
pick
up
on
Leslie's
comment,
I
think
so
I
think
the
building
is
a
little
bit
too
long
right,
I,
I'm
sure
it's
one
of
the
things
and
I
was
noticing
that
there
are
some
plays
on
Heights
with
the
volumes
that
protrude
out.
The
contrast
is
not
sufficient.
It's
not
reading
through
it's
coming
a
little
bit
oppressive
as
this
like
very
long
linear
thing
and
then
I
was
questioning
a
little
bit
the
grid
there.
So
there's
this
like
very
regimented
grid
of
the
windows,
but
within
the
windows.
E
There's
like
this
playfulness
and
and
it's
I
think
what
you're
trying
to
do
makes
sense.
But
at
some
point
it's
just
creating
a
a
neither
here
nor
there
outcome
and
I'm
just
struggling
a
little
bit
with
this
and
then
I'm
also
I
have
to
Echo
staff's
concern.
You
know
using
cititi
panels
on
this
and
given
the
size
of
it,
and
given
the
detailing,
you
know
it's
it's,
it's
very
I,
don't
know
I'm
nervous
about
it.
E
That's
where
I'm
at
a
few
examples
that
I'd
like
to
cite
the
the
I
think
it's
the
Audi
or
the
VW
headquarters
out
in
Dallas.
That's
a
building
that
takes
a
very,
very
disciplined
approach
to
a
grid
and
it
really
understands
that
grids
become
effective
on
their
detailing
and
their
materiality.
So
I
think
if
you
can
sort
of
start
the
transition
to
that
the
sort
of
playfulness
of
the
muttons
on
the
Windows
is
sort
of
contrasting
a
little
bit
in
a
not
constructive
way.
E
That's
sort
of
my
quick
reaction,
I
think
the
other
thing
is
the
verticality
of
the
masses.
I
know
that
the
as
commission
tellman
was
saying
the
fifth
Story,
the
they
built,
yeah
I
get
it,
but
it's
just
such
a
strong,
horizontal
datm
across
that
entire
facade
is
there's
some
way
to
make
those
parapets
either
lower
on
the
stra
of
background
part
of
the
mass
and
go
higher
so
that
there's
more
contrast
and
a
little
bit
more
of
like
articulation
and
I
think
this
is
a
little
bit.
What
Leslie
was
talking
about.
E
You
know
it's
just
such
a
long.
You
know
linear
Mass
and
it
is
a
difficult
design
problem
I'm
not
making
light
of
that
for
sure,
but
I
just
feel
like
it.
It's
really
heavy.
You
know
and
and
I
think
you're
aware
of
that,
because
there's
a
lot
of
this
color
shift
and.
E
Shift,
you
know
so
I
think
you're
you're
you're
getting
to
some
of
the
points,
but
just
articulating
the
corner,
and
the
other
thing
is
the
entrance.
You
know
I'm,
assuming
it's
sort
of
on
that
red
block
right
in
the
center,
which
again
you're
aware
of
the
problem.
So
that's
good
I
think
we're
we're.
You
know
it
needs
to
be
a
little
bit
stronger.
Maybe
this
red
needs
to
go
away
the
one
on
the
right.
E
E
So
I
think
if
you
could
do
a
little
bit
exercise
like
that,
just
step
back
Divorce
Yourself
from
sort
of
all
the
issues
that
are
bubbling
on
your
head
and
just
look
at
it
sort
of
objectively,
which
is
kind
of
where
we're
at
so
you
know
this
is
the
the
fun
fun
of
of
coming
to
thec.
You
get
some
fresh
eyes
on
the
project,
I
think
yeah
and
then
I
think
P's
concern
about
the
entrance
and
how
that
goes.
E
I
wasn't
fully
aware
of
the
16th
Road
issue,
but
I
think
you
know
just
look
for
the
passive
desires
and
where
people
are
going
to
access
the
building
you
know
because
either
you
have
it
the
way
you
want
it
or
you're
going
to
have
it
the
way
they
want,
and
you
know
the
the
latter
is
not
always
the
best
way,
including
the
neighbors
right,
having
people
cutting
through
your
property
on
an
undesired
location
and
again
I'm,
not
super
Savvy
on
the
the
site
detail
all
right,
but
that's
about
it.
K
B
Yeah
I
go
over
almost
everything.
C
That
that
Comm
St
is
saying,
because
when
I
first
looked
at
this
first
Rec
me
all
this
is
an
building.
It's
a
huge
long,
long,
building
and
I
appreciate
breaking
it
up
into
two
distinct
looks,
which
is
helps
a
lot
I,
really
like
the
big
notch
in
the
Eastern
side
of
the
building,
where
you
have
the
full
the
amenities
that
I
think
helps
tremendously.
That's
really
good
the
Western
Building,
it's
like
it's
so
much.
C
It
just
seems
like
it
goes
on
and
on
and
on
and
on
it's
like
almost
impressive,
maybe
dividing
that
building
into
two
different
types
of
design:
I'm,
not
I'm,
not
the
architect,
ER
Leo
is
but
it
just
it
just
keeps
going
on
and
on
and
on
I
also
agree
about
the
door.
The
entrance.
C
This
that's
one
thing,
and
it
isn't
just
this.
We
raised
this
on
a
lot
of
projects
that
come
on
board.
We
just
where
where's
the
front
door,
where
you
go
in
and
I
think
you've
made
some
attempts
on
that,
but
I'd
like
be
really
even
more
prominent,
the
far
corner
where
the
Bike
Room
comes
in,
maybe
yeah.
Maybe
that
could
also
be
as
a
practical
matter
that
is
going
to
be
another
entrance.
Because
isn't
people
go
in
there
on
the
for
a
bicycle
drop,
a
bicycle?
They
won't
have
to
come
back
out.
C
They'll
already
be
able
to
keep
off
into
the
building
itself.
Yes,
so
you
already
really
have
a
potential
second
entrance
right
there.
It
almost
seems
like
it
wants
to
be
another
entrance
there
and
make
it
more
prominent
that
way
that.
C
Really
pretty
cool
so
so
you
know
that
would
give
a
little
more
distinction
to
to
that
part
of
the
building
that
whole
Western
Building
and
you
know
I
agreee
about
the
materials
you
really.
This
is
should
be
a
fairly
sophisticated
building
in
this
neighborhood.
So
you
really
want
better.
What
reads
is
better
quality
materials
on
its
side
so
anyway,
those
are
just
some
all
comments
that.
A
I
got
just
and
I
have
a
comment
too
I
mean
in
looking
at
the
engagement
comments.
There
were
a
number
of
comments
made
about
the
blocking
feeli
of
it
and
what
we
can
do
to
make
it
seem
less
that
way
which
are
along
the
same
lines
of
what
they
were
saying
without
being
as
sophisticated
in
their
words,
especially
Leo,
which.
A
E
C
Up
I'll
get
it
by
don't
worry,
I'm
starting
to
understand
steuart
yeah,
some
a
lot.
What
Leo
said
was
very
interesting,
and
what
I
would
hope,
as
things
are
fine
tune,
is
to
hold
on
to
some
of
some
of
its
illusion.
Some
of
it
is
some
tapering,
but
the
tapering,
the
effect
verticality
breaking
up
verticality.
The
idea
is
getting
as
much
effect
as
you
can
of
setting
back
the
faad
and
actual
setbacks,
or
something
that
you
all
where
I
Comm
are
coming
from.
And,
of
course,
we
totally
just
you
in
terms
of
our
support.
A
Just
and.
C
E
Ahead,
I'm
not
sure
if
this
counts
as
architecture,
but
I
noticed
when
it
to
makeup
of
the.
C
Different
types
of
units
that
there
were
only
12.
E
C
I
I,
like
the
preservation
of
the
affordable
units
in
the
building
I,
know
that's
part
of
the
the
law.
E
But
I'm
happy
you're
doing
it
either
way
and
so
I
wanted
to
get
hear
your
hear
your
thoughts
on
three
vedro
units
and.
B
So
one
of
the
or
team
speak
to
the
vedro
distribution.
C
And
we
actually
see
less,
there
is
some
demand
for
three
bedrooms,
but
not
a
tremendous
amount.
I
think
part
of
that
comes
down
that
price
point
size
and
things
like
that,
then
tree
family
actually
do
want
home
if
they
C
reported,
move
out
to
the
suburbs,
how
long
they
live
there.
You
know
maybe
they'll
be
there
for
a
year,
and
then
you
know
once
they
have
the
second
kid
they'll
move
out.
E
Percent,
could
that
be
a
chicken
and
egg
thing
like
since
there
aren't
that
many
three
bedroom
units
people
don't
ask
for
it
and
then
and
I'm
just
curious.
You
know
I
mean,
could
that
be
a
possibility
and
I
think
also.
The
other
thing
is,
as
we
transition
from
a
Suburban
to
a
more
urban.
You
know.
People
are
going
to
have
to
learn
to
live
in
more
nonresidential,
single
family,
home
type
thing,
so
I'm,
just
pontificating
but
yeah.
Just
something
I
was
I've,
been.
C
C
B
Of
one
of
the
biggest
things
that
just
kind
of
rent
generally
about
the
industry,
because
then
once
you
get
to
a
three-bedroom
unit
really
anywhere
in
the
corridor,
the
rent,
the
market
rate,
that
unit
is
going
to
be
competitive
with
potentially
printing
know
a
town
home
or
single
family
home,
or
even
you
know,
purchasing
something
right,
whether
that's
a
condo,
whether
that's
you
know,
that's
Town,
H
home,
starting
to
deal
with
reiz
ch
change
per
month,
just
understanding
where
rent
is
in
Arlington
right
now
and
how
big
the
units
are.
B
I
mean
you
can
look
up
what
the
rent
is.
For
example,
there's
I
think
a
christas
square,
few
four
bedroom
units,
something
really
big
and
that's
like
don't
by
whack,
but
you
know
those
the
the
last
time
I
was
really
high
high
if
you're
talking
like5
$6,000
a
month.
At
that
point,
you
know
there's
a
lot
of
options
at
that
price
point.
K
A
Can't
afford
them
here
and
so
for
from
a
developer
standpoint.
At
least
my
observation
is
to
construct
them.
You
know
it's
either.
It
has
to
be
a
lot
smaller
to
even
make
it
marketable.
If
you
can't
do
the
three
bedrooms,
how
about
two
bedrooms
and
then
and
some
cases
so
that
we
could
at
least
accommodate
that,
because
again
from
a
residential
standpoint,
we've
got
people
that
want
them.
There's
nothing
around
here
that
you
know
most
people
are
willing
to
afford.
Karen.
D
And
this
is
going
to
be
a
conversation
for
the
next
meeting,
of
course,
but
you
know
something:
we've
been
talking
as
a
commission.
Quite
a
bit
is
about
affordable
units,
and
you
know
a
lot
of
them
are
not
larger
than
two
bedrooms
and
having
some
space
for
those
units
to
be
designated
for
families
who
do
need
three
beds,
we'll
have
that
fun
conversation.
C
With
that,
you
know,
I
I
think
in
the
next
meeting.
I
will
be
interested
in
kind
of
learning.
G
More
about
what
we
know
about
the
current
residents
at
the
Williamsburg
and
Alis
arm,
Alis
Arma.
B
B
B
Briefly,
just
to
give
a
bit
of
a
review
like
the
AL
arms,
it
was
part
of
the
Brier
heral
I
actually
took
it
through
the
tenant
and
commission
the
approval
of
relocation
plan,
which
was
an
interesting
series
of
meetings,
but
that
was
approved
and
the
tenants
of
the
Ellis
all
left
the
Ellis
remain
remains
vacant.
B
There
are
tenants
in
the
wburg,
Departments
I
want
to
say
there's
about
12
units
occupied
yeah,
okay,
and
so
we
will
be
submitting
liutenant
relocation
plan
the
same
as
we
did
with
the
AL
arms
departments,
that's
required
by
the
site
plan
conditions
that
happens
close
to
approval,
but
I've
already
drafted
it
with.
Obviously,
the
help
of
both
folks
are
sitting
behind
me
and
the
you
know
more
team
has
that
now
there
are
requirements
in
there
to
fill
out
tenant,
profil
to
find
out
who's
living
there.
All
of
that
stuff.
B
So
we'll
be
working
on
that,
because
our
timeline
on
this
project
too,
like
we
want
to
get
moving,
which
means
that
we
need
to
do
everything
we're
supposed
to
do
with
the
existing
residence
as
well,
so
we're
on
top
of
that
stuff.
We
talk
about
it
for
next
time,
but
generally
speaking,
yes,
there
will
be.
B
You
know,
got
the
profile
done,
we'll
investigate,
ensure
that
we
know
who's
living
there,
everybody's
going
to
be
eligible,
foration,
a
very
good
standing,
and
there
are
a
series
of
guidelines
that
you
know
the
county
publishes
that
essentially
provide
exactly
what
we
have
to
put
in
relocation
plan
that
you
all
can
look
up
if
you're
interested
in
reviewing
them
County
tenant
relocation,
guidelines,
you'll
see
what
folks
are
to
in
a
situation
like
this.
G
I
just
add
to
that,
if
I'm
May,
our
Outreach
tenants
and
the
happiness
of
tenants
is
what
we
earn
our
reputation
off
of
and
how
we
continue
to
lease
units,
and
so
our
Outreach
as
a
company
will
begin
well
in
advance
of
our
required
guidelines
for
the
county
be
with
the
people
want
to
assist
them.
The.
C
Relocation
top
thank
you.
Yes,
I,
don't
want
into
a
different,
but
I
do
just
want
to
remind
that
that
we're
very
ra
from
is
very
concerned
about
well
beyond
that.
The
individuals
who
live
there
now
not
just.
C
Them
their
ability
to
come
back
and
back
to
land
use
with
bonus.
That's
the
county
would
be
great
if
the
county
finally
stood
up
to
it
and
negotiated,
and
it's
a
reasonable
amount
of
people.
I,
don't
know
what
the
status
of
the
LSP
people
are.
Certainly
if
there
are
12
unit
of
Williams
very
people,
it's
a
reasonable
thing
to
be
talking
about
with
bonus
discussions,
making
sure
they
have
an
opportunity
to.
C
C
E
E
The
Transformers
or
the
what
do
they
call
the
Transformer.
K
C
Unique
Transformer
Vault:
normally
you
would
see
it
low
grade,
but
here
the
site
was
kind
of
constrained,
so
we
it's
kind
of
like
a
lateral
Transformer
Vault.
So
we
have
to
be
able
to
pull
each
of
those
Transformer
BS
out
in
case
say:
one
goes
down.
So
that's
why
there's
there's
three
Transformers
total,
and
so
you
have
to
be
able
to
pull
one
out
and
it's
required
by.
C
B
Yeah
shifting
rules
too,
it
did
happen
at
the
Kirkwood,
but
the
Kirkwood
has
four
sides
to
the
building
that.
F
B
Valys
and
streets
and
stuff-
and
so
they
put
it
in
between
the
Kirkwood,
which
is
now
I-
think
Thea
will
be
the
future
YMCA
side,
so
that'll
be
facing
that
building,
but
right.
So
it's
on
fairx,
which
is
where.
E
E
H
Great
yeah
yeah
I
can
I
can
probably
sh
some
than
that
Dominion
changed
the
rules.
He'll
no
longer
allow
you
to
put
a
vault
in
public
space.
So
it's
it's
never
going
to
be
under
a
public
sidewalk
I
I
give
you
two
choices.
You
can
put
it
in
the
ground
open
to
Infinity
above
or
you
can
do
this
horizontal,
Vault
and
there's
specific
requirements.
They
couldn't
go
on.
North
Pierce
Street,
the
grade's
too
steep.
H
They
couldn't
get
the
rigging
in
there
to
put
the
Vault
on
North
Pier
Street,
so
it
had
to
go
on
Fairfax
Drive
and
it
has
to
be
AG
grade
and
there's
a
lot
of
rules
about
how
much
height
depth
width
you
have
to
have
around
these.
H
Yeah
yeah,
we
we
couldn't
put
it
back
in
they.
They
they
really
tie
your
hands.
Okay,
I
mean,
if
you,
if
you
did
put
it
back
in,
you,
would
still
have
three
Transformer
bul
doors.
Our
first
plan
was
well,
let's
do
one
door
and
we'll
put
a
big
vault
in
there
and
you
can
have
lots
of
space
to
move
them
in
and
out.
Dominion
would
not
allow
us
to
do.
E
That
so
I
guess
the
the
followup
question
is
any
sort
of
Band-Aid.
Now
that
we're
in
the
situation,
you
know
to
treat
these
doors
to
create
some
sort
of
interest
to
create
some
sort
of
activity.
You
know
lighting
I,
don't
know
you
know
that
was
the
SL
okay.
C
K
D
C
Topics
too,
yes,
goad,
I'm,
sorry,
a
question
on
land
use.
This
probably
was
in
the
presentation
somewhere
What's
the
total
percentage
of
building
Space
versus
the
the
lot.
K
C
Information
yeah
it
to
me,
it
just
seems
I.
This
kind
of
goes
with
the
whole
boxy
concept
and
seeing
if
we
can
use
more
space.
First
of
all,
the
courtyard
looks
small
for
you
know:
450
some
odd
units
you're
going
to
have
well
over
a
thousand
people
in
there,
and
you
have
only
that
one
Courtyard
and
the
the
little
corner
space
there,
which
is
doesn't
see,
there's
no
exit
out
of
the
building
that
corner
space
in
the
on
the
west
side.
There
doesn't
seem
that's
going
to
be
useful,
accessible
really
to
people.
C
So
to
me,
it
just
seems
more
green
space
would
be
useful
here
and
kind
of
separate
question,
but
on
that
West
space,
if
that's
going
to
be
your
kind
drainage
area
for
Onsite,
is
aren't
you
going
upgrade
going
east
to
west,
and
so,
if
that's
where
a
lot
of
the
water,
the
retention
is
going
to
be.
Is
that
going
to
create
a
problem?
If,
if
the
grade
is
going
down
to
the
east.
H
No,
it's
it's
kept
low
on
the
site
and
there's
existing
retaining
walls
and
there's
a
lot
of
lot
of
retainage
along
North
Pierce,
Street
As.
You
move
from
south
to
North,
so
that's
actually
fairly
low
current
grade
and
it's
it's.
You
know,
set
low
in
the
building
and
it
naturally
outfalls
to
the.
A
C
Talk
about
sidewalk
with
next
next;
okay,
yes,.
C
I
have
a
whole
lot
more
for
the
next
meeting
too
I'm,
not
sure
if
this
one
is
for
this
meeting
or
not.
But
this
more
of
a
question
when
you
men,
the
amenity
space
and
the
big,
the
glass
Zone
inside.
What
what
are
the
amenities
that
will.
K
C
Time,
that's
next!
Well,
if
you
talking
about
like
building
amenities,
that's
fine
is
we
plan
on
having,
obviously
the
pool
deck
there's
going
to
be
a
co-working
area
for
obviously
more
people
working
from
home
now
with
Co
we're
also
planning
on
having
kind
of
some
top
to
top
level
like
an
indoor,
spa
and
sauna.
So
like
a
dry
sauna,
wet
sauna,
indoor,
cold,
lunch
and
hot
tub
can
I
go
to.
B
C
Recorded
right-
and
we
are
in
talks
with
having
a
kind
of
a
small
coffee
shop
area
as
well
that
that's
what
I
was
at
you're,
going
to
have
over
a
thousand
people
where
people
going
to
run
down
and
get
their
half
gallon
of
milk
in
the
morning
or
whatever
like?
Is
there
there's
in
the
front,
there's
no
retail
along
the
front
or
sidewalk
or
anywhere
else,
and
in
that
amenity
space?
You
know,
said:
coffee
shop
would
be
great.
C
Yeah
convenience
store
something
like
that
within
that
am
minute
area
it'd
be
great
to
have
it
Street
facing
too.
So
it's
not
just
with
the
residents
but
to
create
more
of
the
community
feel
so
the
residents
from
the
neighboring
buildings
could
also
go
and
use
those
stores
and
may
be
more
useful
for
the
building
owners
too.
K
F
C
B
C
Yeah,
so
right
now
mainly
have
the
the
skybridge
or
the
sky
area
on
the,
where
you
see
main
lobby
that
whole
area
that's
kind
of
the
grill
section.
Unfortunately,
because
it
is
Wood
Construction,
it's
really
hard
to
do
with
a
green
roof
on
wood
structure,
yeah,
yeah
waterproofing.
You
have.
A
B
A
F
See
well
we
in
the.
Let
me
let
me
just
check
online
real,
quick.
F
F
A
J
Yeah,
the
the
Bader
supports
this
and
I
when
I
help
communities
I,
don't
oppose
zonings,
but
I
do
help
with
you
know.
Details
and
Leslie
had
mentioned
that
we'd
like
a
step
back
in
that
North
the
corner
and
we're
not
saying
delete
units,
we're
saying,
shift
them
and
move
them
and
I
talked
to
I
brought
this
issue
to
a
couple
of
my
clients
that
do
development
and
they
had
suggested
I,
don't
know
if
orb
would
would
think.
This
is
a
good
idea
or
not,
but.
J
You
know
a
lot
of
the
builders
now
are
creating
like
living
space.
So
you
have
your
unit,
you
have
a
setback
and
then
that
unit
can
have
the
roof
of
the
unit
that
below
it
but
beside
it,
and
that
could
be
an
area
that
they
can
use,
and
you
know
for
outdoor
entertainment
and
I
was
thinking
that
we
could
shift
some
of
the
units
to
that
long,
Western
expanse
and
you
would
have
instead
of
having
the
one.
J
You
know
you
could
shift
them
to
there
and
I
know
you
would
maybe
have
to
do
some
concrete.
But
again
you
could
create
nice
outdoor
space
on
the
roofs
where
you
have
that
setback.
So
anyhow,
that's
kind
of
U.
It
was
very
important
to
folks
over
at
Vader
and
I,
know
Nick's
going
to
wait
for
all
the
comments
and
then
you
know
they'll
make
whatever
changes,
but
that's
something
that
I
think
is
important
and-
and
you
know
so
I
know
nobody
has
a
right
to
a
view.
J
A
K
L
The
building
lacks
lacks
setbacks
from
the
sidewalk
that
contain
contain
biophilic
elements,
including
including
ground
level,
plantings
that
are
both
attractive
and
would
help
help
reverse
the
Count's,
declining
populations
of
monic,
butterflies
and
other
pollinators.
A
portion
of
the
Fairfax
Drive
East
lobby
area
contains
an
above
grade
planter
box
that
is
in
front
of
the
garage
screen
that
this
is
not
enough.
L
Most
of
Fairfax
Drive
and
Pierce
Street
fings
need
to
contain
planter
boxes
or
open
areas
that
can
communicate
n
that
can
accommodate
native
plants
that
may
SP
that
support
monic,
butterflies
and
other
native
pollinators.
The
planted
areas
on
the
building's
upper
levels
are
too
small
to
provide
any
such
benefits.
The
building
also
needs
a
planted
green
roof.
L
There's
too
much
pavement
and
too
little
quote:
Green
Space
next
to
the
sidewalks
in
the
priv,
in
the
private
amenity
Terraces
facing
16
fet
North
and
in
the
two
Courtyards,
the
the
building
needs
a
planted
green
roof.
The
submission
contains
a
plant
list
that
shows
the
species
of
shrubs,
perennials
and
ground
covers.
L
However,
most
plants
at
the
applicant's
plant
list
identify
are
cultivates
that
don't
feed
pollinators
or
are
not
native
to
Native
Northern
Virginia
many
are
wind-pollinated
grasses
and
sedges
that
don't
feed
pollinators,
at
least
that
the
they
don't
contain,
nectar
that
feeds
most
pollinators
like
butterflies
and
mor,
and
some
types
of
flies
there's
no
common
milked
except
the
aaka.
This
is
the
only
about
plant
on
which
monic
butterflies
prefer
when
laying
eggs
and
which
survives
well
in
Northern
Virginia.
L
By
the
time
that
we
have
the
next
meeting
I
hope
the
applicate
will
revise
a
plant
list.
I've
sent
them
a
message,
long
message
about
this,
but
I
hope
when
we
get
to
Landscaping
next
meeting.
They
do
this.
The
pla
plant
project
lacks
biophilia.
It
does
not
deserve
to
to
lead
gold,
as
stated
it
needs
a
gleen
green
roof
with
plantings
that
feed
pollinators
native
Vines,
whose
FL
flowers
produce
netive
should
hang
from
the
roofs
Terror.
L
A
A
To
remind
us
about
the
importance
of
that,
so
we've
gone
through
everything
I
just
want
to
do
a
little
bit
of
wrap
up
now.
C
Can
I
can
I
preface
the
c22
just
to
put
on
the
agenda
for
next
time?
Just
so,
you
guys
know
kind
of
stuff
that
we're
going
to
raise,
and
that
would
be
very
helpful
sure
we're
we're
looking
to
maximize
electrification
and
reduce
or
eliminate
fossil
fuel
use.
So
we'll
be
talking
about.
J
C
Maximizing
Energy
Efficiency,
both
in
building
Envelope
as
well
as
appliances,
reducing
ID
carbon
of
the
building
materials
maximizing
natural
lighting,
while
reducing
solar
heat
gain,
maximizing
onsite
Renewables
we
saw
12%
is
of
the
roof
is
solar
and
we
think
we
probably
do
more
and
planning
for
sufficient
EV
charging
in
the
garage.
So
those
are
some
of
the
topics
that
we'
like
to
put
on
the
agenda.
It's
very
helpful.
Thank.
A
A
We
want
to
hear
more
about
setbacks
and
sidewalks,
which
is
of
course,
next
time
the
question
about
why
there
isn't
more
density
here
came
down
to
cost,
there's
still
some
question
about
the
Northeast
Cor
corner
and
the
light
the
step
back
and
Shadow
studies
which
we'll
make
clear
next
time
every
but
likes
the
ReUse
of
the
garage
talks
about
the
interesting
view
versus
the
wall
that
goes
back
to
the
length
of
the
building
the
grid.
A
The
detailing
the
Western
entrance,
the
Bike
Room
make
that
more
prominent
three-bedroom
units,
the
challeng
is
there
tenant
relocation,
more
information
on
that,
the
next
time
and
then
lot
to
coverage
and
I
think
that
pretty
much
cover
covers
everything
we
talked
about.
So
unless
anybody
has
anything
else,
we
will
see
you
on
what
is
it
October
19th.