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A
That's
have
some
ground
rules
to
go
over
before
we
get
started
here
and
it's
been
a
little
while,
since
I've
read
this
script,
so
bear
with
me.
First
of
all,
my
name
is
David
Tim
I'm,
the
chair
of
the
tenant,
landlord
Commission
and
Welcome
to
our
our
June
14th
meeting
of
the
TLC
audio
of
today's
meeting
is
available
via
phone
and
if
Commissioners
presenters
or
speakers
lose
internet
connectivity.
During
today's
meeting,
please
reconnect
with
us
that
way.
A
If
you
wish
to
be
recognized
to
speak,
please
raise
your
hand
and
I
would
appreciate
if,
if
Commissioners
would
keep
their
video
on
throughout
the
meeting
to
the
extent
possible
public
speakers
they'll
be
given
an
opportunity
at
the
beginning
of
the
meeting
to
make
comments
and
you'll
be
provided
three
minutes
to
speak
per
organization
or
person
speaking
time
will
be
used,
and
if
you're
dialing
in
by
phone
write
a
verbal
warning
at
30
seconds,
the
meeting
chat
is
available
for
presenters
or
Commissioners
in
need
of
technical
assistance
and
should
not
be
used
for
discussion.
A
Public
comments,
questions
about
agenda
items
or
requests
for
more
information.
All
public
comments
have
to
be
shared
verbally
for
the
record
during
the
assigned
public
testimony
period.
Finally,
this
is
a
public
meeting
and
all
information
associated
with
today's
meeting,
whether
written
or
spoken,
is
subject
to
the
Freedom
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Information
Act
requirements.
A
All
right,
thank
you
for
bearing
with
me
through.
A
It's
giving
me
PTSD
to
our
our
all
virtual
years
during
covid,
but
I'm
glad
to
see
so
many
of
you
here
with
us
today.
A
D
A
Okay,
I've
checked
I,
have
a
Rhoda
or
Hector
check
to
see
if
they
can.
Let
you
in
on
the
computer.
Sorry
about
that.
Listen.
E
A
A
I
am
here
great
thanks
and
let's
see
who
I'm
missing
I
know:
Matt
is
absent
today,
Matt
Royer
and
Aaron
Alonso.
Are
you
present
today?
Don't
see
you
in
the
chat
here?
A
Maybe
you'll
join
in
a
minute
and
I
know:
Chris
is
joining
us.
Late,
have
I
missed
any
Commissioners
in
the
chat
here.
B
A
Great
well
with
that,
we
will
move
to
public
comments,
I'm,
not
aware
that
we
have
any
pre-scheduled
public
comment
but
roll
to.
Let
me
know
if
there's
anyone
we
have
schedule
otherwise,
we'll
open
it
up.
If
people
have
things
to
say.
E
E
Is
just
for
the
the
item
number
six.
A
If
you
are
speaking
related
to
the
Shelton
or
the
Clarendon
Court
issues,
we
have
those
specifically
on
our
agenda
and
so
I'd
ask
that
you'd
hold
your
comments
to
that
part
of
the
meeting.
Otherwise,
are
there
any
public
comments
from
attendees?
A
Okay,
we'll
move
along
to
approval
of
the
meeting
minutes
from
last
month,
Commissioners
any
any
revisions
to
the
meeting
minutes
which
are
up
on
the
screen
now.
A
Okay,
so
we'll
consider
that
approval
for
April.
Would
you
just
briefly
put
up
May
and
I
I
suspect
it'll
be
the
same
thing,
but.
A
All
right
can
I
get
a
motion
to
approve
the
May
minutes
so
moved.
Thank
you,
Ryan
all
right.
Second,
thank
you.
I
think
I
got
a
second
and
a
third
any
opposed
excellent.
The
meeting
minutes
are
approved
for
April
and
May.
A
We'll
move
right
into
our
first
agenda
item,
which
is
a
presentation
from
the
Arlington
Community
Foundation
by
Mary
Hines,
we're
very
excited
to
have
you
and
I've,
been
you
know
discussing
with
you
about
this
proposal
for
quite
some
time
at
this
point
and
glad
to
finally
have
you
at
TLC.
Please
take
it
away
thanks.
I
The
top
concern
of
this
initiative
is
focused
on
our
very
low
income
residents
who
are
in
danger
of
being
rapidly
displaced
and,
in
particular,
we
focus
on
people
who
are
living
at
30
percent,
Ami
or
less.
We
care
about
and
work
on,
the
issues
of,
affordable
housing,
affordable
child
care
and
wages
and
Workforce
Development
as
part
of
this
project.
Today,
I'm
just
going
to
focus
on
the
work
we've
been
doing
around.
I
How
can
we
achieve
30
Ami
calves
at
bar
Croft,
but
all
of
the
work
that
the
Community
Foundation
does
is
informed
by
close
and
long-standing
Partnerships,
with
the
county,
with
the
safety
net
nonprofits
with
businesses,
Community
groups
and
research
Partners
like
Urban,
Institute
or
Brookings,
and
we
see
our
role.
We
don't
have
clients,
but
we
see
our
role
as
convener
collaborator
demonstrator.
We
do.
We
do
run
pilots
and
of
advocates
for
True
systems,
change
work,
and
so
that's
just
to
kind
of
like
Place
Us.
I
In
the
context
of
what
goes
on
here
in
the
county
so
world,
if
you
would
change
to
the
next
slide,
please
one
of
the
first
things
we
thought
about
when
we
did.
I
You
can
see
that
we
kind
of
balance
out
and
quite
honestly,
that
is
partly
the
result
of
the
low
income,
housing
tax
credit
program
being
focused
on
60
Ami,
producing
sixty
percent
Ami
units
for
many
many
decades
and
the
county
ahif
going
in
to
support
those
units
as
well.
So
we
have
a
mismatch
between
affordability,
that
people
need
and
what's
actually
affordable
in
the
market.
I
Next
slide,
please
we're
all
done
so.
Who
are
these
folks
who
who
makes
30
000
or
30
of
area
median
income
here
in
Arlington,
thirty
percent
of
area
median
income
for
a
family
of
four
is
about
forty
two
thousand
dollars
a
year.
So
you
can
see
based
on
this
work,
that
a
child
care
worker
is
on
average
in
Arlington,
and
actually
these
numbers
come
from
the
Metropolitan
job,
jobs,
EQ,
real-time
data
on
median
wages
across
all
experience
levels.
I
So
it's
done
last
summer
and
the
there's,
the
hourly
wages,
are
what
people
make
on
media
and
here
in
the
DMV,
and
you
can
see
that
that
hourly
wage
translated
into
a
full-time
salary.
Although
we
really
have
to
say
all
the
time
that
people
in
many
of
these
positions
don't
have
full-time
salaries,
they
don't
have
benefits.
Often
they
don't
have
health
care,
but
everybody
who
does
these
jobs
is
living
below
what
it
would
be
considered:
an
affordable
income
level,
affordable
hourly
rate
level
to
live
safely
in
our
community.
I
So
these
are
all
jobs.
We
need
they're
part
of
our
ecosystem
and
we
focus
very
particularly
on
Working
Families
in
this
space.
Next
one
please
rolled
up.
So
what
has
the
Community
Foundation
been
doing?
We
got
some
money
from
Amazon
to
make
some
philanthropic
investment
in
buying
down
units
at
the
front
end,
basically
bringing
dollars
to
a
deal
to
take
a
sixty
percent
unit
and
buy
it
down
to
to
a
30
percent
rent,
and
that
was
trying
to
get
a
number.
I
What
what
does
it
really
cost
to
do
that
and
our
big
takeaway
is
right
there.
It
costs
about
a
hundred
and
seventy
thousand
dollars
of
additional
investment
to
buy
a
60
Ami
unit
down
to
30
percent
for
30
years.
We
do
have
a
have
some
papers
that
we've
just
finished,
that
Knox
explain
this
in
more
detail
and
I've
asked
rolda
to
email
them
to
the
Commissioners
after
and
they'll
be
posted
on
our
website,
but
that
hundred
and
seventy
thousand
dollars
is
a
is
an
important
number
to
understand.
I
So
how
do
we
get
to
255?
That's
that's!
You
know
kind
of
a
random
number.
If
you're
thinking,
1
334.
so
rolled
up,
you
could
go
to
the
next
slide.
Please,
the
orange
bars
show
who
was
living
there
by
their
self-reported
Ami
incomes
in
May
of
last
year.
So
there
were
255
households
living
at
Barcroft.
Who
said
they
earned
30
Ami.
I
Gyre
Lynch,
as
the
developer
was
tasked
with
creating
a
plan
and
that
would
allow
them
to
get
there
based
on
the
money
that
that
Amazon
and
the
county
put
on
the
table
and
their
plan,
which
they
presented
last
fall,
is
the
blue
bars.
So
you
can
see
they
only
have
31
units
at
30
percent
Ami.
They
have
the
bulk
of
the
units
at
50,
which
is
more
affordable
than
60,
and
then
there's
some
at
60..
I
But
we
looked
at
that
and
we
thought
gosh.
You
know
we're
going
to
need
an
awful
lot
of
housing
grants
to
help
people
at
30
and
40
if
we
Peg
them
at
50s.
Is
there
a
way
to
take
this
upfront
money
and
spread
it
differently
and
Achieve,
something
that's
more
affordable
across
the
range
of
affordability
and
so
that
if
you
could
go
to
the
next
slide,
so
that
was
our
key
question?
Can
we
spread
this
money
differently
and
in
order
to
do
that,
we
had
to
understand
how
the
deal
was
initially
constructed.
I
So
jire
Lynch
did
something
very
conservative.
They
said
we're
only
going
to
go
for
four
percent:
low-income
housing
tax
credits,
we're
going
to
get
some
for
rehabbing,
a
thousand
units,
a
thousand
four
units
we're
going
to
rehab
and
we're
gonna
knock
down
and
put
build
new
construction
for
300
of
them,
and
each
of
those
has
funding
associated
with
it.
As
you
can
see
there
on
the
right,
so
you
get
your
1
334
caps
and
you
use
298
million
dollars
to
get
there.
I
310
million
dollars
is
what
the
county
and
Amazon
put
on
the
table.
So
there's
room
to
think
about
what
could
we
do
differently?
So
next
slide,
please
so
the
green
bars
are
are
what
we're
calling
an
illustrative
pathway
for,
for
all
of
you,
who've
been
doing
public
policy.
You
know
that
there's
never
just
one
way
to
solve
the
problem
there
are
always
puts
and
takes
so.
This
is
one
way
there.
I
There
are
surely
others,
but
I
wanted
to
kind
of
walk
you
through
some
of
the
trade-offs
that
we
made
in
order
to
end
up
with
this
green
bar,
the
green
bars,
which
more
closely
mirror
the
distribution
of
affordability.
That's
present
in
the
rent
that
was
present
in
the
renters
in
May
of
last
year,
so
we
continued
the
jire
Lynch
approach
of
using
four
percent
credits.
You,
you
all,
probably
know
they're
not
competitive
this
getting.
These
is
not
a
one.
I
You
know
you
can
only
go
once
a
year
Etc,
but
we
we
switched
the
balance
and
said,
let's
only
rehab
804
and
let's
build
new
for
530.
I
I
In
return
for
providing
lower
affordability,
40s
and
30s
inside
the
same
dollar
amount,
so
basically
it
stretches
your
money
over
a
broader
range,
so
we
use
a
little
income
averaging
there
and
and
then,
because
there
was
some
concern
about
the
way
that
the
deal
was
written,
that
there
had
to
be
1
344
units
at
60
percent
or
below.
I
We
added
an
additional
project
at
nine
percent
credits,
which
is
cheap
money
compared
to
four
percent
added
another
154
which
covered
us,
then
for
our
income
averaging
and
brought
more
units
to
the
table,
and
we
did
that
also
inside
the
same
amount
of
money
that
was
put
on
the
table
at
the
at
the
beginning,
and
this
kind
of
an
array
of
affordability
would
mean
that
that
ASP,
if
people
progress
through
the
income
bans,
they
continue
to
be
able
to
access
a
unit.
That
is,
is
the
right
affordability
for
them.
I
We
still
don't
need
a
lot
of
housing
grants
brought
to
this
property
because
we
have
flexibility
across
the
income
bans
and
and
we're
meeting
many
of
the
other
goals
that
were
laid
out
in
the
agreement.
So
that's
that's!
The
sort
of
the
big
idea
here
is:
we
can
get
255
this
way
and
we
can
do
it
all
with
the
money.
That's
on
the
table
now.
I
The
County
Board
also
has
some
other
tools
next
slide
that
are
being
discussed,
get
to
the
next
slide
and
if
you've
been
around
Arlington
and
brown
development,
you
know
that
height
and
density
can
bring
additional
benefits
to
a
project,
and
so
there's
some
anomalies
in
how
the
the
form-based
code
was
done,
because
the
commercial
areas
were
done
before
the
residential
areas
and
so
there's
some
height
mixed
mismatches
and
there's
some
other
kinds
of
assumptions
that
were
made
during
the
Columbia
Pike
plan
and
adjusting
those
I
guess.
I
Baseline
understandings
that
were
baked
into
the
plan,
which
is
all
within
the
county.
Board's
control,
could
indeed
bring
more
flexibility
to
how
the
money
is
spent
could
bring
additional
units
through
the
addition
of
density,
there's
also
ways
to
approach
parking
and
some
of
the
other
Road
and
infrastructure
Investments,
which
could
reduce
the
pressure
on
the
project.
Therefore,
freeing
up
money
to
bring
to
affordable
housing
or
to
other
community
benefits.
The
developer
has
proposed
a
community
center
and
an
outdoor
swimming
pool
and
a
few
other
amenities.
That
really
would
be
incredible
for
the
tenants.
I
Remember
that
there,
the
the
plan
calls
for
bringing
to
at
least
bringing
at
least
twice
as
many
market
rate
units
to
this
site,
as
are
the
as
preserved,
so
it
this
is
going
to
be.
You
know
upwards
of
4
000
units,
probably
when
it
when
all
is
said
and
done.
So
those
are
additional
ways
within
the
project
that
that
we
could
reduce
the
need
for
cash
to
achieve
affordability.
All
of
that
is
going
to
be
worked
through
in
something
called
the
master
financing
and
development
plan.
I
Shorthand
is
mfdp
that
gyre
Lynch
and
the
county
are
in
the
process
of
finalizing
and
we
keep
hearing.
We
we
had
thought
that
probably
the
community
was
going
to
get
a
look
at
it
in
the
fall
I.
We're
now
hearing
with
less
clarity
about
that,
but
there
but
gyro
Lynch
is
bringing
in
a
small
100
unit
project
that
is
down
on
the
Four
Mile
Run
area,
they're,
taking
us
to
the
Housing
Commission
in
July.
So
there's
they're
testing
out
some
of
their
ideas.
I
Next
slide,
please
roll
down,
there's
some
other
sources
of
funding
too
historic
tax
credits.
This
is
a
you
know,
one
of
the
very
first
Garden
Apartments
to
be
built
in
the
Commonwealth.
I
There
are
things
called
New
Market
tax
credits,
there's
opportunities
in
zones,
there's
a
variety
of
other
Financial
tools
that
over
you
know,
it's
a
10
to
12
year,
build
out
to
go
from
what
we
have
today
to
the
full
vision
of
what
will
be
there
and
jire
Lynch's
intention
is
to
bring
sections
in
you
know
every
year,
every
two
years,
so
the
landscape
will
change
in
terms
of
funding
and
it's
our
view
that
they
should
keep
working
this
and
that
are,
but
that
the
intention
to
end
up
with
an
array
of
affordability
should
be
something
that
the
investors
commit
to
in
the
mfdp
and
stay
committed
to
over
the
life
of
the
project.
I
Next
slide,
please.
So
this
just
basically
is
a
comparison
of
the
two,
so
you
can
see
how
the
the
the
deal
in
our
illustrative
pathway
is
different
from
what
they
put
in
their
Baseline.
It's
sort
of
a
summary
trial
chart
and
then
the
next
slide.
I
It
basically
looks
at
what
what
percent
of
units
at
build
out
would
be
at
30
Ami,
which
is
often
a
concern
as
people
think
about
a
bigger
Community
like
this,
and
so
you
can
see
that
in
the
in
a
baseline
scenario,
which
would
bring
1700
Market
units
about,
eight
percent
of
them
would
be
30
Ami
and
when
you
bring
more
market
rate
units,
the
percentage
of
30
Ami
units
drops,
while
maintaining
that
255
and
it's
the
foundation's
position
at
this
point
in
time.
I
Given
that
mismatch
that
I
showed
you
all
in
the
in
the
very
first
slide
that
we
need
to
be
very
intentional
for
the
next
several
years
about
achieving
30
hardwired
units
ones
that
we
buy
down
at
the
front
end
through
construction
cash
that
we
should
be
in
the
eight
to
ten
percent
range
for
every
affordable
housing
project
that
we
do
if
we
want
to
try
to
to
more
right
size,
our
affordability
to
to
the
needs
of
the
people
who
live
here
and
I.
I
Think
this
is
my
last
slide,
but
maybe
there's
one
more.
That
just
has
oh
well.
This
is
I
use
this
for
a
group
that
was
advocating,
but
honestly,
we've
just
been
really
encouraging
people
to.
If
you
support
this
goal
to
let
the
County
Board
know
and
to
let
Amazon
know,
income
averaging
as
I
said,
is
a
new
tool
about
which
some
people
have
concern,
and
we
do
have
a
one-pager
on
income
averaging
on
our
website
and
then
throughout
the
life
of
this
project.
I
A
Yeah
I
appreciate
the
presentation
Mary.
Thank
you
very
much
for
coming.
It's
definitely
an
interesting
issue,
I'm
not
quite
sure,
and
maybe
others
have
gotten
it
more
quickly,
but
I'm
not
sure
sure,
I
understand
the
income
averaging.
A
So
if
you
wouldn't
mind
taking
another
minute
and
then
other
Commissioners,
if
you
have
questions,
you
know,
feel
free
to
raise
your
hand
and
I'll
I'll
call
on
you
to
speak.
I
Sure
so
the
light
tech
program,
low
income,
housing
tax
credit
program
was
very
focused
on
producing
only
60
percent
units
and
people,
don't
all
come
in
those
nice
little
60
packages,
and
so
a
couple
years
ago,
the
feds.
It's
all
the
federal
money,
the
FED
said:
okay,
we're
gonna,
allow
some
variation
on
this
and
and
the
way
we're
going
to
do
it
is
we'll
allow
you
to
go
above
60
percent
to
70
percent
Ami
or
80
percent.
I
If
you
also
then
bring
in
a
balancing
number
of
very
low
income
units,
so
it's
kind
of
it's
kind
of
a
two
to
one
or
a
one
and
a
half
to
one
ratio.
So
you
go
up
to
70
you
to
get
one
unit
at
30
percent.
You
may
need
a
unit
and
a
half
at
70.
So
basically
it's
a
it's
a
370s
for
two
thirties.
If
you're
at
80s,
it's
a
one
to
one,
you
get,
you
know,
180
will
get
you
130.
I
and
and
and
the
the
idea
really
was
to
kind
of
stretch
the
dollars
that
were
already
being
invested,
but
to
get
down
to
these
low
levels
which
which
require
an
infusion
of
cash,
and
you
know
that
170
000
that
I
talked
about
what
that
really
is,
is
calculating
up
front
the
reduction
in
your
Revenue
stream,
that's
going
to
happen
over
the
life
of
the
contract
and
saying
okay.
If
we
bring
that
money
in
up
front,
then
our
mortgage
will
be
less
because
our
cash
flow
will
be
less.
I
So
that's
where
that's
how
that
that
is
calculated
and,
of
course,
it's
subject
to
vagaries
of
the
market.
You
know
construction
costs
go
up,
so
will
the
cost
of
filling
that
Gap,
but,
relatively
speaking,
the
other
thing
that
we
discovered
in
all
of
this
is
just
let's
just
use
the
170
000
to
buy
down.
If,
if
I
were
to
take
a
ten
thousand
dollar
housing
grant
for
three
hundred
for
30
years,
which
would
be
360
months
right,
that
would
be
360
000,
as
opposed
to
170
to
buy
it
down
up
front.
I
So
so,
while
it
feels
good
to
be
able
to
say
I'm,
helping
very
directly
this
person
with
this
ten
thousand
dollar
grant
that
ten
thousand
dollar
Grant
has
to
be
appropriated
every
year.
If
I
can
bring
the
lower
amount
of
money
in
up
front,
then
I
don't
have
to
think
about
those
those
people
anymore,
because
they're
in
a
place
that's
already
affordable
and
the
contract
that
governs
the
building
is
written
with
an
expectation
that
that
we're
going
to
have
a
mix
of
incomes,
we're
not
going
to
all
be
at
60..
I
So
you
we
can't
not
do
both,
but
we
need
to
shift
some
of
our
money
into
into
achieving
some
30
hardwire
units
did
I
help
you
on
income
averaging
them.
So
I
could
talk
about
this
stuff
for
a
long
time.
Yeah.
A
No,
that
that
helped
I
think
you
mentioned
that
there
was
some
controversy
related
to
it
and,
in
you
know,
sort
of
Steel
Manning
right
the
other
side.
The
fact
of
the
matter
would
be
generally
speaking,
that
you're
you're
losing
the
you're
losing
a
certain
number
of
units
because
you're
having
to
switch
some
to
higher
in
order
to
get
lower
30
yeah.
I
Which
is
why,
in
our
illustrative
pathway,
we
we
basically
brought
in
some
more
units
to
counterbalance
right.
You
know,
that's
that's
right.
I
The
their
I'll
just
be
honest
with
you,
it's
Amazon
was
was
who
was
particularly
upset
about
this,
and
they've
obviously
had
a
leadership
change
in
their
housing
fund,
and
so
we're
hoping
to
meet
with
the
new
people
soon
to
see
if
they
have
the
same
concern
about
everything
up
I
mean
that
the
census
also
showed
that
there
were
not
an
insignificant
number
of
people
living
there
who
were
at
70
and
80
percent
as
well.
H
F
Mary,
thanks
for
your
presentation,
I
I'm,
not
I'm,
a
small
landlord
and
I.
The
only
properties
that
I
operate
in
Arlington
are
market
rate,
affordable
units-
and
you
know
I
mean
I
find
it.
Maybe
my
comments
will
be
ironic
in
light
of
the
very
spirited,
let's
just
say,
debate
over
missing
middle,
but
you
know
I
find
that
you
know
I'm
sure,
there's
a
need
and
I,
and
obviously
the
presentation
you
had
for
who
makes
thirty
thousand
dollars
and
what
kind
of
jobs
do
they
do
is
obviously
compelling.
F
F
Is
it
too
much
and
and
I'll
tell
you
as
somebody
who
operates
market
rate,
affordable
units,
the
question
I
get
the
most
often
from
people
who
see
our
units
and
our
rents
say:
gosh
will
I
make
too
much
income
to
qualify
for
your
apartment
and
I
get
that
question
all
the
time,
and
what
that
tells
me
is
that
they're
going
to
other
places
frankly
that
I,
you
know,
have
to
compete
with
and
they
you
know
subsidized
housing
of
some
sort
or
another
and
they
they
don't
qualify
because
they
make
too
much
money,
and
you
know,
and
and
very
rarely
do
I
get
somebody
who
doesn't
demonstrate
enough
income
to
pay.
F
You
know
fourteen
hundred
dollars
a
month
in
rent.
You
know,
that's
still
a
lot
of
money.
I'm,
not
you
know
when
I
moved
to
Arlington
I
was
paying
600
a
month,
so
I
I
get
it,
but
you
know
I'm,
just
there's
you
know
for
somebody
like
me
who
operates
Class,
B
apartments
and
units.
F
You
know
buildings
that
are
like
you
know,
12
to
20
or
so
units
in
per
building
and
they're
nice
clean
units,
but
they're,
not
fancy
and
they're
market
rate
affordable
right,
but
I
still
have
to
compete
against
subsidized
units,
and
you
know
it's
it's
difficult
and
so
I
find
that
even
with
the
income
averaging
thing,
the
thing
I
kept
thinking
about
was
like
the
men.
Little
is
getting
squeezed
out
of
this.
I
So,
that's
why
that
that
green
set
of
bars
really
does
show
that
you
can
address
30,
40,
50,
60
and
70
all
in
the
same
property
in
this
large
property.
You
know,
I
mean
we
have
to
also
say:
Barcroft
is
pretty
unique
in
Arlington,
it's
a
large
property.
This
commitment
up
front
to
make
it
all
you
know
continue.
Affordability,
all
of
them
is,
is
also
very
unique.
I
So
I
would
say
you
know
the
30
Ami
people
don't
have
a
lot
of
options:
Ryan
a
family
of
fours,
making
forty
two
thousand
dollars
a
year
that
you
know
15,
that's
a
lot
of
money
for
rent
when
you
have
a
couple
of
kids
and
and
are
doing
other
things
and
we're
there.
There
are
per
the
census,
and
we've
checked
these
numbers
since
the
2020
census.
I
There
are
8
000,
renter
households
in
Arlington
who
make
thirty
percent
Ami
or
less
a
chunk
of
those
people
are
people
who
have
disabilities
of
various
sorts
or
mental
illness.
They
live
on
SSI
right,
there's,
a
chunk
of
them
that
are
older,
who
don't
have
a
lot
of
income
that
they're
stuck
they're
working
families.
What
we
know
about
Working
Families
Based
on
data
that
is
collected
in
the
housing
grant
program,
Working
Families
on
average,
are
staying
in
our
housing
grant
program
about
five
years.
I
So,
if
you
think
of
that,
somebody
has
a
baby
and
five
years
later,
they
go
off
to
school.
I
think
that
this
is
partly
how
people
with
small
children
are
managing.
You
know
who
are
working
these
jobs,
so
we're
not
I
I,
hear
you
and
honestly
as
a
board
member
and
as
a
community
member
I'm,
so
grateful
for
people
like
you
who
are
you
know
providing
people
with
safeties
in
housing
in
small
amounts.
Not
everybody
wants
to
live
in
big
high-rise
buildings
at
all.
I
So,
but
it's
about
to
me
as
somebody
who
sat
on
the
County
Board,
this
is
about
Reese.
This
is
about
what's
our
community's
commitment,
we're
already
putting
28
30
million
dollars
a
year
on
the
table
for
ahif
and
housing
grants
who
do
we
want
to
help
and
what
is
the
most
efficient
way
to
help
them
and
I?
Think
focusing
on
this
Gap
that
we
have
at
30
percent
of
just
a
dearth
of
I
mean
you
you.
It's
just
well.
F
Don't
get
me
started
on
housing
grant
money?
We've
I've
had
expressed
opinions
on
this
in
the
past
about
where
whether
I
think
that
money
is
being
used
efficiently
or
not,
because
I
bought
a
property
that
had
housing
draft
money
and
there
were
deplorable
conditions
that
those
people
were
living
in
and
I
bought
it
and
renovated
it
and
I
don't
accept
I,
don't
have
any,
not
that
I
I
would
turn
it
down.
F
I'm
not
legally
allowed
to
turn
it
down,
but
I
don't
have
any
subsidized
tenants
right
now
and
I
still
have
market
rate
units
and
they're
and
they're
nice
units
I
wish
the
people
that
were
living
there
before
you
know
it.
Just
it
just
bothers
me
when
somebody
takes
you
know
public
money
and
and
advance
and
takes
advantage
of
their
residence.
It
just
really
bugs
me
yeah.
I
It
should
bug
all
of
us
honestly
because
it's
all
of
our
money
that's
being
misused,
so
I
I
I
hear
you.
Those
are
those
are
legitimate
concerns
and
we
we
should
be
looking
at
them
as
these
policies
move
forward.
A
Okay,
well
thanks
I
just
want
to
quickly
let
the
record
reflect
that
Chris
Winbush
is
present
and.
A
Commissioner
comments
I
see
someone
Sharita,
you
have
your
hand
raised
I'm,
not
exactly
sure
who
you
are
so.
Would
you
just
introduce
yourself
briefly.
J
Hi
David,
yes,
I,
would
love
to
introduce
myself.
My
name
is
Sharita
Sweeney
and
I
am
the
emergency
assistant
manager
for
Arlington,
Thrive
and
Kathy.
Thank
you
so
much
for
extending
that
invitation
to
me
she's,
my
colleague
here
at
Arlington,
Thrive
and
so
I
just
have
a
couple
of
questions.
J
If
you
don't
mind
Miss
Mary
I
know
we
mentioned
that
we
would
lose
a
couple
of
30
in
Ami
units
that
but
that
you
planned
on
replacing,
and
so
how
soon
do
you
plan
on
replacing
them
and
if
I
am
I'm,
quoting
you
incorrectly,
please
let
me
know
right.
I
So
so,
first
of
all,
the
Community
Foundation
Sharita
doesn't
have
any
units.
Okay,.
I
We
we
are
looking
at
this
deal.
This
big
deal
that
the
county
did
where
they
committed
to
1
334
units
at
60
Ami
for
99
years,
and
we
we,
the
foundation,
are
saying
we
can
spread
our
money
differently
and
end
up
with
an
array
of
housing
across
30,
40,
50
and
60-
that
more
closely
mirrors
the
mix
of
incomes
that
the
tenants
today
or
actually
last
May
a
year
ago,
May
18
months
ago.
J
Noticed
that
the
40
Ami
was
completely
missing.
What
is
the
plan
of
action
to
help
tackle
that,
for
those
individuals.
I
Maybe
they
could
put
the
Roll
to.
Could
you
put
the
slide
up
that?
Has
the
three
colors
that's
called
illustrative
pathway.
It
might
be
easier
to
put
that
image
in
front
of
us,
so
the
plan
that
has
nothing
for
40
Sharita
is
jire
Lynch's
plan.
That
was
the
plan
they
initially
submitted.
I
So
I,
don't
know
it's
probably
maybe
slide
six
rolled
or
seven
yeah
okay,
so
those
blue
bars
that
that
960
in
the
50s
that
show
zero
in
the
40s.
That
was
what
jire
Lynch
proposed
when
they
did
their
first
initial
proposal
and
and
first
of
all,
it
doesn't
have
hardly
any
30s
at
all,
which
was
we
were
bothered
by,
but
we
also
recognized
that
the
only
way
you
bridge
down
that
960
units
down
to
those
lower
is
to
give
those
houses,
those
households,
a
housing
Grant.
I
That's
how
you
close
the
gap
so
they're
in
a
committed
unit,
but
they
need
more
money
in
order
for
it
to
be
affordable
to
them,
and
so
we
said
well,
let's
see
if
we
can
spread
this
money
differently
and
end
up
with
30,
40,
50s
and
60s,
and
so
that's
what
those
green
bars
are.
That's
the
community
foundation's
way
of
saying
one
way
to
get
to
something
that
meets
many
of
the
goals,
but
doesn't
have
this
glut
of
affordability
in
one
place.
I
A
A
A
Well,
fantastic,
thank
you
so
much
Mary.
Unless
there
are
any
other
commission
commissioner,
questions
I
think
we're
going
to
move
to
our
next
agenda
item.
Oh.
C
I
A
And
Mary
have
you
spoken
by
chance
to
the
Housing
Commission,
yet.
I
We've
not
made
a
presentation
to
the
Housing
Commission.
It
definitely
could
you
know
kellen's
been
aware
of
our
work
all
the
way
along
and
we've
the
same
offer
I
made
to
you
I
made
to
transportation,
to
housing
and
to
planning
so
right.
It's
just
a
question
of
people
taking
us
up
on
it.
A
Okay,
yeah
I
know
I
was
I
was
just
curious,
whether
they
had
seen
it
yet
and
and
I
guess,
I
think
what
we'll
probably
do
is
we'll
not
vote
on
on
this,
whether
to
send
a
a
letter
today,
I
want
to
give
Commissioners
additional
time
to
review.
You
know
the
website
and
the
materials
you
provided
after
this
discussion,
but
we'll
we'll
likely
take
it
up
for
a
vote
on
our
next
meeting
in
July.
H
I
A
All
right:
well,
we
do
have
scheduled
next
eviction
Trends
with
Jonathan
Francis
from
legal
services
of
Northern
Virginia
I,
do
not
see
Jonathan
on
here,
but
maybe
he's
called
in
or
is
listed
as
a
guest.
I'll
just
give
him
a
minute
to
declare
his
presence.
A
Otherwise,
we'll
move
to
the
presentation
by
Arlington
thrive
on
the
same
subject:
okay,
we'll
go
ahead
to
Kathy
and
Sharita
to
the
extent
you're
presenting
as
well
talking
about
postcode
eviction
updates,
something
that
the
the
TLC
is
very
concerned
with
and
has
been
thinking
about.
A
lot
this
year
go
ahead.
K
We
really
appreciate
the
opportunity
to
share
about
eviction
Trends
both
some
of
the
numbers
and
then
some
of
what
we're
hearing
from
our
case,
managers
who
have
been
working
with
clients
over
the
past
few
years
and
I
invited
Sharita
Sweeney,
who
is
our
emergency
assistance
program
manager
to
join
the
meeting
and
to
cover
more
of
the
numbers
you
know,
numbers
of
clients
amounts
we've
been
assisting
with,
because
that's
really
her
wheelhouse
I
am
the
director
of
programs
for
Arlington,
Thrive
and
I
oversee
our
case
management
team,
who
is
has
been
providing
case
management
to
individuals
seeking
emergency
financial
assistance.
K
Thrive
is
actually
moving
out
of
that
kind
of
contract
that
we
had
with
the
county.
It's
those
services
are
now
going
back
solely
with
the
county,
so
we
are
instructing
individual
just
to
call
the
community
Assistance
bureau
if
they
need
emergency
financial
assistance,
but
because
we're
we're
wrapping
up
now
and
because
it's
also
fresh
in
our
minds,
we
certainly
can
provide.
K
K
We
also
assist
with
utilities
and
medical
bills
and
clothing
and
a
large
variety
of
expenses,
but
I'd
like
to
turn
it
over
to
Sharita
to
cover
kind
of
the
you
know,
kind
of
the
picture
and
some
of
the
numbers
that
we're
seeing
with
evictions
and
assistance
and
then
I'll
come
back
and
talk
to
you
a
little
bit
more
about
some
of
the
trends.
Our
case
managers
have
been
seeing.
J
And
I
will
also
Kathy
speak
to
some
of
the
trends
that
we're
seeing
on
the
emergency
assistance
side,
I'm
pretty
sure,
they're
similar,
but
there
may
be
some
differences
there.
Okay,
so
as
far
as
numbers
are
concerned,
Thrive
has
helped
266
families
thus
far
to
prevent
eviction.
J
J
However,
there
are
some
challenges
and
some
Trends
and
things
that
we're
seeing
so
I
just
want
to
very
briefly
kind
of
go
over
some
of
that,
so
some
of
I'm
going
to
start
with
our
efforts.
Of
course,
for
this
fiscal
year,
the
remaining
fiscal
year
we
have
last,
which
is
two
weeks,
but
also
what
our
plans
are
moving
forward
for
2024.
J
for
our
fiscal
year.
So
our
organization's
efforts
to
help
prevent
eviction
thus
far
have
been
providing
clients
with
grocery
gift
cards
so
that
they
can
reallocate
those
funds
to
help
pay
for
utilities
and
rental
assistance.
J
J
Another
thing
that
we're
working
on
that
I'm,
pretty
sure
Kathy
will
be
happy
to
go
into
detail
on,
is
our
child
care
assistance
program
that
we've
we've
created,
which
is
basically
helping
families
that
are
low
income,
fine,
sustainable
Child,
Care
subsidies,
so
that
parents
can
return
to
the
workforce
so
that
way,
they'll
have
a
two-hum
help
two
income
household
versus
a
one
income
household,
which
is
a
trend
that
we're
noticing,
especially
if
they
have
a
household
that
has
young
children
and
also
during
the
summer
months
when
children
are
out
of
school.
J
So
that's
some
of
the
things
that
our
organization
is
doing
to
try
to
help
prevent
evictions
in
the
Arlington
County
area.
As
far
as
Trends
are
concerned,
we
have
noticed
that
a
lot
of
these
families
during
covid
and
a
little
bit
post
covid
have
been
very
reliant
on
County
dollars
to
help
supplement
income.
J
As
far
as
hoping
to
pay
for
rent
and
utility
assistance,
we
are
actually
paying
out
more
money
now
post
covet
than
we
were
during
covid,
which
is
something
that's
kind
of
concerning,
simply
because
I
believe
families
became
very
reliant
on
the
county
during
that
time
during
those
dollars,
and
maybe
there
has
been
some
miscommunication,
maybe
we
haven't
been
the
best
at
communicating
that
during
covet,
you
were
still
responsible
for
paying
your
rent,
but
a
lot
of
families
took
that
as
oh
there's,
a
eviction
moratorium,
so
I
don't
have
to
pay
anything.
J
So
we
have
noticed
that
a
lot
of
families
have
maybe
had
the
means
to
pay
their
rent
but
chose
not
to
pay
their
rent
simply
because
of
misinformation.
J
I
don't
want
to
speak
for
everyone
who
has
decided
to
not
pay
just
for
their
own
Reasons
I'm,
just
kind
of
generalizing
that
aspect,
so
my
hope,
of
course,
is
that
families
were
just
receiving
miscommunication
and
didn't
realize
that
they
needed
to
still
make
some
effort
to
pay
their
rent
during
that
time.
So
that's
part
of
the
trends
that
we
noticed.
J
We
are
also
noticing
that
families
of
four
or
more
are
moving
into
units
that
are
listed
for
four
or
less
simply
because
they
are
trying
to
make
sure
that
they
provide.
You
know
housing
for
their
families,
but
you
know
also
trying
to
make
sure
that
it's
affordable
for
them.
But
there
are
restrictions
to
that.
So
they
tend
to
Omit
individuals
from
their
lease
as
a
result
so
that
they
can
try
to
get
secured
housing
affordable
unit.
So
that's
another
option
that
we
have
been
noticing.
J
Some
of
the
challenges
are,
of
course,
that
churches
and
different
organizations
are
quickly
running
out
of
money,
because
a
lot
of
these
arlingtonian
are
relying
on
dollars
from
different
non-profit
organizations.
Churches,
the
county
to
kind
of
help,
supplement
that
additional
cost
for
rent,
and
so
a
lot
of
people
are
running
out
of
money
quickly.
J
New
caps
that
are
being
implemented
relatively
quickly
as
well,
with
either
little
to
no
transition.
Time
are
causing
families
to
self-evict
because
they
just
don't
know
where
they're
going
to
get
this
additional
monies
from
to
help
kind
of
get
them
out
of
the
deficit
that
they're
in.
So
those
are
some
of
the
challenges
that
we're
finding
and
the
main
thing
is:
is
the
cost
of
living
is
going
up?
J
But
you
know
wages
are
not
increasing
to
help
supplement
those
cost
of
living
situations
that
are
increasing
throughout
the
county
and
throughout
the
US,
and
so
that's
one
of
the
main
things
that
we're
finding
another
challenge
that
we're,
unfortunately,
coming
into
is
increase
of
fraud
due
to
people
just
being
desperate
and
they're,
just
trying
to
make
sure
that
families
are
secured
housing,
they're,
feeding,
their
children
and
so
forth
on
and
so
forth.
So
they're
emitting
information
just
to
try
to
better
their
chances
at
getting
assistance.
A
F
A
And
and
Sharita
I
I
was.
A
To
pair
this,
with
some
eviction
Trends
from
legal
services
of
Northern,
Virginia
I
presume,
are
you
seeing
I
shouldn't
say
I
presume?
Are
you
seeing
you
see?
You
mentioned
a
increase
in
self-eviction?
J
Or
absolutely
yeah,
we,
you
know,
there's
no
secret,
that
the
homeless
shelters
are
full.
The
main
thing
that
the
county
is
is
is
kind
of
relying
on
it's
like
hey,
we'll,
be
happy
to
help
you
with
our
caps.
J
However,
we
need
to
make
sure
that
you're
you're
able
to
pay
your
rent
going
forward,
and
so
a
number
one
Trend
that
we're
seeing
is
a
lot
of
these
families
are
taking
those
60
percent
Ami
units,
but
they
really
should
be
taking
a
30
unit,
so
they're
going
back
to
the
county,
hoping
that
they'll
get
assistance
to
kind
of
make
up
for
what
they're
lacking,
but
unfortunately,
the
county
with
these
new
caps
are
unable
to
help
as
generously
as
they
were
doing
in
the
past.
J
So
a
lot
of
these
families
are
taking
these
60
Ami
units,
hoping
that
they
would
gain
assistance
from
other
organizations,
but
they're
finding
out
very
quickly
that
a
lot
of
these
organizations
are
completely
out
of
money
or
they're
not
able
to
help
in
the
capacity
that
they
were,
perhaps
maybe
last
year
or
even
the
beginning
of
this
fiscal
year.
J
So
a
lot
of
families
are
self-evicting
to
prevent
an
eviction
on
their
credit
which
will
prevent
them
from
firing
housing
in
the
future.
So
that's
one
of
the
trends
main
trends
that
we're
finding
is
that
people
are
evicting
themselves
simply
because
they
don't
know
what
else
to
do
or
who
else
to
ask
for
assistance
for.
A
And
when
you
say,
self-eviction,
you're,
you're,
essentially
saying
they're
breaking
the
lease
and
leaving
the
property
prior
to
the
end
of
the
term.
Okay,
correct.
J
Prior
to
you
know
the
sheriffs
or
going
to
court
and
they're
saying
you
need
to
be
out
by
this
date,
so
instead
they're
moving
prior
to
that,
not
knowing
that
they
could
potentially
potentially
be
putting
themselves
In,
Harm's
Way
more
so
than
helping
themselves,
because
they're
thinking
they're
doing
the
best
that
they
can
do
for
their
families,
which
I
completely
understand.
A
And
we've
been
talking
about
Trends.
Are
we
talking
about
the
last
six
months,
the
last
12
months?
Yes,
yes,.
A
Six
months,
all
right
and
what
sort
of
data
is
Thrive
collecting
on
what
you
call
Self
evictions
or
evictions
in
general,
what
sort
of
data
has
thrived
been
Gathering.
J
K
Okay
sure
no
thank
you
Sharita,
so
legal
services
of
Northern
Virginia
sends
out
a
report
every
week
with
the
evictions
that
are
scheduled
for
that
week,
and
so
you
know,
unfortunately,
their
representative
isn't
here
to
give
you
some
of
that
data,
but
they
do
have
it
and
I'm
sure
they
would
be
happy
to
share
it
with
you.
K
I
know.
Sabrina
Ware
is
a
new,
relatively
new
staff
member
with
legal
services
of
Northern
Virginia,
and
she
is
spearheading
like
a
Regional
Housing
meeting
to
talk
about
kind
of
post-pandemic.
You
know
eviction,
Trends
and
housing
issues,
and
all
of
that,
so
she
might
be
a
good
contact,
and
if
you
want
to
follow
up
with
me,
I
can
connect
you
with
her.
Her
contact
information
I'd
be
happy
to
I.
Also
wanted
to
ask:
are
you
I'm
not
sure
how
familiar
you
all
are
with
the
caps
on
assistance
that
Sharita
was
referring
to.
A
I
think
I
think
we
are
aware
that
there
are
caps.
We've
had
some
presentations
to
that
effect.
I
think.
A
Staff
over
the
last
six
months,
but
I,
don't
know
that
I
could
could
cite
the
amounts
or
you
know
the
restrictions
to
you
off
off
top
of
my
head.
Yeah.
K
No
sure
I
mean
I.
Just
thought.
I
would
kind
of
explain
that
so,
prior
to
January
1st
of
this
year,
there
was
no
real
limit
on
how
much
people
could
apply
for,
and
decisions
were
made
really
based
on
the
needs
of
that
family
and-
and
there
certainly
was
a
examination
of
whether
the
family
would
be
able
to
pay
rent
moving
forward
instead
of
just
you
know,
just
funding
them.
If
they,
you
know,
demonstrated
some
sort
of
need.
K
Initially
during
covid,
they
there
were
certain
funding
sources
where
you
had
to
demonstrate
that
you
had
lost
your
job
to
covid
or
you
had.
You
had
some
kind
of
covet
related
the
difficulty
and
then
after
a
while
that
funding
kind
of
you
know
was
used
up
and
it
went
back
to
just
the
state
and
and
the
county
funding.
K
So
you
know
the
county
really
was
able
to
assist
people
with
quite
large
balances.
Sixteen
thousand
twenty
something
thousand
you
know
really
large
amounts
they
let
the
community
know
and
they
and
our
our
team
and
their
social
work
team.
Let
the
clients
know
that
a
change
was
coming
in
October.
They
they
took
the
initially
people
at
80
of
area.
K
Median
income
were
eligible
for
rental
assistance
during
covid
and
as
of
October
of
last
year,
it
went
down
to
the
usual
50
of
Ami,
which
is
the
usual
income
limit
for
a
lot
of
County
Assistance,
and
so
that
was
the
first
change
and
then
the
bigger
change
was
that
there
was
a
cap
starting
January
1st
of
this
year
of
seven
thousand
dollars
maximum
payment,
and
then
about
a
month
ago,
the
county
announced
that,
as
of
July
1st,
the
cap
was
going
to
go
down
even
further
to
3
000..
K
So
a
three
thousand
dollar
you
know
amount
wouldn't
cover
even
two
months
of
rent,
say
if
someone
became
ill
and
was
totally
unable
to
work
and
lost
their
income
for
example.
So
it's
a
big
change
from
you
know
how
things
were
during
the
pandemic.
Where
really
I
mean
the
the
biggest
I
think,
effort
was
to
keep
people
from
becoming
homeless,
and
so
these
caps
have
been
put
in
place,
but
I
think
the
the
clients
you
know
and
Arlington
residents
at
large
you
know
are-
are
having
trouble
adjusting
because
they
may
have.
K
As
Sharita
mentioned,
they
may
have
adjusted
their
budget
during
coven
thinking.
Oh
gosh
at
least
I
have
rent
covered
now,
I
can
pay
utilities
now
I
can
buy
enough
food
for
my
family
I
can,
you
know,
do
really
meet
more
of
those
needs
that
maybe
they
weren't
able
to
meet
before
and
so
now
you
know
when
they're
having
to
go
back
to
you
know
paying
rent
in
full.
It's
it's
a
change
right,
and
this
is
not
everybody.
K
Some
people
have
been
very
you
know
responsible
about
prioritizing
rent
and
you
know
the
whole
time,
but
but
there's
a
certain,
a
certain
percentage
of
people
that
I
know
our
social
work
team
and
the
county
social
work
team
has
been
working
with
to
talk
to
them
about.
You
know,
you're
going
to
need
to
to
pay
this
rent
moving
forward.
How
can
you
adjust
your
budget?
What
can
you
do?
Can
you
move
to
a
smaller
unit?
K
Can
you
you
know,
get
a
better
job?
Can
you
get
a
second
job?
Can
you
increase
your
hours,
you
know,
what
could
you
do
to
kind
of
cut
cut
costs.
J
K
K
Long-Term
planning
can
be
more
difficult
in
that
situation,
so
it's
It's,
Tricky
and
I
really
appreciated
Mary,
Heinz
presentation,
kind
of
highlighting
the
need
for
these
30
40
units,
because,
just
like
she
said
and
just
like
Sharita
mentioned
people
are
moving
into
these
60
Ami
units
and
they
really
can't
afford
them.
So
you
know
if
they're,
if
they're
eligible
for
the
housing,
Grant,
definitely
they're
being
referred
to
apply
to
the
housing
Grant
and
one
thing
we
there
was
a
meeting
of
the
housing
action.
K
Arlington
group
earlier
today
and
Heather
venner
was
sharing
that
the
rental
caps
on
the
housing
grant
program
are
increasing.
So
that's
a
good
thing,
because
you
know
that
way.
You
know
residents
can
get
more
of
their
rent.
You
know
covered
because
they're
not
they're,
not
totally
up
to
market
rate
or
anything
but
they're
higher
than
they
were,
so
that
should
be
a
little
bit
more
helpful
and
there's
actually
a
study
group
looking
at
the
housing
grant
program
and
looking
at
possibilities
for
expanding
populations.
K
K
So
it's
it's
such
a
multi-faceted.
You
know
issue.
J
And
just
to
also
piggyback
on
that
and
then
I
promise
I'm
done
talking
a
lot
of
the
section.
Eight
housing
lists
are
starting
to
open
up
this
year,
that's
been
federally
mandated,
so
Arlington
County
will
be
opening
their
Section
8
waiting
list.
J
Three
of
the
main
things
are
that
they
have
to
be
either
the
30
or
low
in
order
to
qualify
for
the
housing
grade.
They
have
to
be
either
eligibility
or
a
household
that
has
single,
has
children
in
it
under
the
age
of
18.
J
or
they
have
to
be
disabled.
So
just
to
give
you
all
that
line
of
of
sight.
Hopefully
that
means
that
we'll
be
able
to
keep
more
people
housed
if
they're
qualifying
for
those
Section
8
programs,
but
this
is
federally
mandated.
So
all
of
the
counties
at
some
point
in
time
this
year
will
have
to
open
up
their
Section
8
housing,
waiting
list
and
I
believe
last
year
or
the
year
before
last.
J
It
was
just
for
one
day
this
this
year,
they're
they're
mandated
to
do
it
for
seven
days
to
give
more
people
the
opportunity
to
apply,
but
those
three
things
that
I
mentioned
earlier
are
the
things
that
they're
looking
at
for
qualifiers.
K
J
K
A
Yeah
Kristen
I,
see
you
have
your
hand
raised,
go
ahead.
D
Thank
you
with
regard
to
the
opening
up
of
the
Section
8
vouchers
for
seven
days
or
whatever
what
has
been
done
so
far
to
Cull
through
the
current
list
and
move
it
down
and
see
how
many
people
are
still
in
need
of
the
voucher
program
or
you
know,
maybe
they've
left
the
area
they
make
too
much
money
now
et
cetera,
et
cetera,
because
the
last
time
that
topic
was
brought
up
was
my
understanding
that
the
the
wait
list
was.
You
know,
four
to
five
years
long.
J
They
are
only
more
slots,
and
my
knowledge
on
this
is
very
limited,
so
I
do
apologize
if
I
cannot
fully
answer
your
question,
but
from
what
I
do
know
is
that
they
are
increasing
the
number
of
vouchers
or
Section
8
clients
that
they
had
so,
hopefully
that
can
help
accommodate
some
of
the
people
who
have
been
on
the
waiting
list
already
for
a
number
of
years.
J
Don't
know
if
that
would
be
very
helpful.
The
people
that
are
trying
to
get
on
the
waiting
list
moving
forward
but
I
do
know
that
there
are
some
qualifiers
around
that,
and
the
main
thing
is:
is
that
whatever
Section
8
housing
grant
that
they
are
applying
for,
they
do
have
to
live
in
that
area.
At
the
time
when
they
are
called
to
say,
hey,
there
is
a
unit
available.
D
As
as
a
landlord
one
of
the
challenges
that
we
have
is
that
when
people
apply
to
get
the
Section
8
voucher,
if
they
aren't
listening
carefully
or
if
there's
a
language
barrier
or
if
they're,
just
hopeful,
we
go
through
an
entire
process
of
helping
them
find
an
apartment
in
their
time
frame.
Give
the
tours
go
over
everything
and
you
know
reach
out
and
only
to
find
out.
They
don't
even
have
a
caseworker
assigned
to
them.
Yet
because
you
know
they're
number
487
on
the
list
or
something.
D
J
I
I
completely
understand
I
do
know
that
this
is
the
first
year
in
multiple
years
that
they're
going
to
open
up
the
housing
Grant
to
increase
the
housing
Grant
applicants
for
a
long
time.
That
number
has
just
been
the
number
they
haven't
increased
that
at
all,
so
I
do
know
that
this
year
is
the
first
year
nationally
that
they
do
plan
on
increasing
the
number
of
Section
8
applicants
again:
I'm,
not
I,
don't
work
for
the
county,
so
I'm
providing
you
as
much
information
as
I
can.
A
Okay,
thanks
for
that
question,
Kristen
Elder
basorto
got.
L
About
that
that
was
a
Bluetooth
issue,
I'm
wondering
if
there
is
somewhere
where
it's
listed,
where
they
will
be
opening
these
a
Section
8
list
vouchers
in
the
different
counties.
J
J
Would
it
be
appropriate
to
send
that
information
to
you
and
then
maybe
you
can
share
it
broadly
across
the
other
organizations
and
landlords.
If
we
were
able
to
get
that
information.
A
Yeah,
we'll
distribute
it
to
the
Commissioners
and,
to
the
extent
individual
landlord
commission
members
would
like
to
distribute
it
to
you
know
their
networks
they're
they're
free
to
do
that,
but
you
should
send
it
to
roll
to
and
I.
A
A
I,
don't
think,
there's
any
other
questions
or
comments.
We're
very
grateful
for
your
coming
and
and
talking
to
us
about
this
as
we
as
we
close
this
agenda
item
I
just
want
to
ask
whether
there's
anything
specific
that
you
think
you
know,
maybe
in
terms
of
legislative
priorities,
that
the
TLC
should
be
considering.
K
You
know
I,
don't
know
of
a
specific
bill
I,
you
know
apologize,
but
I
think
you
know,
like
I
know
that
I
heard
today
at
the
meeting
that
some
non-profits
have
been
able
to
use
funds
from
the
state,
affordable,
housing
trust
fund
to
expand
their
rapid
rehousing
programs
and
then
Place
more
people
in
housing
with
a
subsidy
through
that
rapid
rehousing
program.
So
if
there
is
an
opportunity
to
advocate
for
more
funding
in
the
affordable
housing,
trust
fund,
I
think
that
would
be
an
important
issue
to
follow.
J
A
A
You
all
right!
Well
again,
we
appreciate
your.
A
A
Yes,
David
I'm,
here,
okay,
great
rather
before
we
get
to
Paul.
Do
you
have
a
quick
briefing
for
the
Commissioners
on
on
the
progress
we've
made
since
the
last
meeting.
E
Is
that
the
case?
Well,
would
you
be
summarizing
this
report
that
Jennifer
Smith
provided
to
us.
M
Yes,
yes,
I
can
do
that
if
you
like,
okay,
go
ahead,
Paul,
so
first
thank
you
for
the
opportunity
to
to
speak
to
the
The
Joint
Commission
last
month,
both
the
Titan
landlord
and
Housing
Commission,
a
few
tenants
or
a
few
residents
from
the
Shelton,
came
and
voiced
their
concerns,
and
we
thought
it
was
important
and
we
take
these.
These
concerns
seriously.
M
We
thought
it
was
important
to
provide
just
some
follow-up
I
like
to
just
give
some
general
comments
first
and
then
jump
right
to
the
specific
three
issues
around
billing:
around
Staffing
and
customer
service
and
Leasing
and
and
research.
First
and
foremost,
you
know
we
try
to
put
our
residents
first.
M
M
It
so
happens
that
same
week
of
your
commission,
Harbor
group
had
already
planned
for
a
resident
meeting
which
was
held.
That
meeting
was
held
before
the
joint.
You
know,
County
meeting
I
attended
that
meeting
along
with
other
ahc
staff
and
Senior
staff.
We
regularly
meet
with
Harbor
group.
M
They
are
the
property
managers
over
at
the
Shelton
and
and
and
and
lastly,
we've
developed
and
distributed
some
resident
resident
concern
guy
for
all
of
our
EHC
communities
to
ensure
that
it's
no
ways
to
both
report
issues
and
bring
issues
up
if
needed
and
as
well
how
to
escalate
those
issues.
Now,
with
respect
to
the
the
three,
the
three
things
that
emerged
around
billing,
a
specific
bill
that
was
around
that
was
quoted
to
be
five
thousand
dollars,
as
well
as
other
bills
in
general,
around
utilities
and
fees.
M
A
couple
things.
Since
your
last
meeting
we've
tried
to
locate
the
five
thousand
dollar
water
bill
that
the
resident
brought
up
at
the
May
11th
meeting.
Unfortunately,
we
were
unsuccessful
in
doing
that.
It's
not
clear
that
the
county
had
any
success
either
we
don't
know
roller
could
speak
to
that,
but
we
did.
M
We
were
able
to
review
water
and
utility
bills
for
the
last
six
months
and
those
the
the
results
were
that
that
we
didn't
find
any
Bill
anywhere
near
that
amount,
the
largest
bill
that
we
saw
were
a
handful
of
bills,
they're
around
300,
but
most
of
them
were
well
under
a
hundred
dollars
a
month.
M
What
we
think
could
have
happened
is
just
in
terms
of
background
and
history.
When
Harbor
group
took
over
the
property,
they
combined
all
the
bills
and
they
include
it
included
both
utilities
as
well
as
rent,
and
maybe
there
was
a
stake
in
that
regard,
mistaking
an
older
Bill
and
and
but
we
we
ceased
to
that.
We
ceased
that
process
at
in
2022.
M
But
maybe
there
was
a
mistake
in
terms
of
just
believing
that
older
bill
was,
you
know
consistent
what
we're
doing
going
forward
so
On
a
related
topic
with
just
with
respect
to
fees.
M
We
have
recently
reviewed
our
fee
policy
across
all
of
our
our
portfolio
and
we're
planning
to
rule
out
reduced
fees
across
the
portfolio,
and
we
hope
that
we
haven't
done
it
just
yet,
but
we
would
do
it
within
the
next
couple
of
weeks
and
we
hope
that
that
will
be
received
as
both
compassionate
and
consistent
with
our
goals
towards
Equity
I
want
to
talk
a
little
bit
about
Staffing
and
customer
services.
M
We
recognize,
like
everyone
else
said:
staffing
has
changed
at
the
Shelton
in
2022
when
ahc
closed
its
down
its
management
company
and
we're
continuing
to
work
with
Harbor
group,
as
well
as
other
property
management
Partners
to
ensure
that
the
staffs
are
are
well
trained,
customer
focused
and
and
in
terms
of
how
they
serve
our
communities
and
that's
a
work
in
progress.
With
regard
to
the
issue
around
Leasing
and
recertifications,
you
know
we
acknowledge
that
we
were
behind
in
the
Shelton.
M
It
was
both
due
to
Staffing
shortages
and
challenges
on
receiving
his
paperwork
and
that
the
paperwork
that
met
the
compliance
needs.
What
we've
done
as
a
result,
a
harbor
group
they've
added
hours
on
evening
hours
and
Saturday
morning,
hours
to
complete
recertifications
I,
just
want
to
give
you
a
sense
of
of
where
we
are.
We
have
six
files
that
of
that
remain
at
compliance
three
pending
from
residents
and
eight.
Unfortunately,
residents
have
been
unresponsive
for
those
residents
who
who
aren't
recertified.
M
They
they
automatically
go
to
a
month-to-month
lease
until
the
recertification
process
is
complete.
Now,
once
the
the
process
is
complete,
you
go
back
to
being
on
an
annual
lease
and
regardless
of
your
recertification
status,
increases
are
only
allowed
on
a
12-month
period
and
residents
receiving
at
minimum
60-day
notice
before
an
increase
goes
into
effect.
M
I
guess
what
I'd
like
to
say,
sort
of
where
I
started
in
my
opening
comments
is
that
we
value
our
residents
and
expect
good
customer
service
when
there
are
issues
we
have
swiftly
and
at
the
end
of
the
day,
one
of
the
things
we're
trying
to
accomplish
with
our
new
strategic
planning
is
to
be
a
lot
more
resident
Centric.
So
those
are
those
are.
Those
are
the
comments
or
updates.
I'd
like
to
to.
You
know
add
to
the
commission
certainly
open
to
any
questions.
A
Yeah
thanks
Ryan
go
ahead.
F
Thanks
for
your
your
comments,
Paul
I'm,
just
curious
I
mean
what
what
steps
do
you
guys
take
to
to
oversee?
You
know
specific
management
at
the
properties,
because
a
lot
of
what
we
hear
at
the
commission
is
our
complaints.
Around
interactions
with
you
know
the
the
actual
Management
on
site,
whether
they're
dismissive
or
you
know,
of
claims
or
whatever,
and
it's
not
just
to
you
know,
AFC
properties.
It's
you
know
it's
it's
for
other
properties
as
well,
but
I'm
just
curious.
M
Ryan
thanks
for
that
question,
there
are
three
levels
of
oversight:
there's
just
the
traditional
Asset
Management
oversight,
which
includes
both
physical
as
well.
As
you
know,
we
ask
questions
around.
You
know,
treatment
of
of
residents.
Then
we
have
weekly
meetings
that
incorporate
both
Asset
Management
as
well
as
resident
services.
M
You
know
with
with
our
with
our
property
managers
and
when
we
are
aware
of
issues
we
raise
issues
when
we're
aware
of
issues
we
bring
those
to
bear
and
then
there's
the
the
you
know
the
the
emergency
or
the
issue
that
that
occurs
a
cycle
and
either
that's
going
to
be
Jennifer,
indo
or
myself
responding
if
it
gets
elevated
to
our
level.
F
And
I
guess
that's
my
I
guess
that's
my
point.
My
you
know
it
seems
like
some
of
the
stuff
might
not
get
elevated
to
your
level
until
until
a
resident
comes
to
something
like
the
TLC
or
you
know
another
body
before
it.
Maybe
it
hits
your
radar,
so
I
mean
I,
we
self-manage
all
of
our
own
properties,
so
we
are
owners
and
managers
and
so
I.
M
I
appreciate
that,
and
and
hopefully
I
mean
what
we're
doing
now
in
terms
of
that
that
ongoing
engagement,
it's
both
the
the
asset
management
responsibility
and
function
to
be
engaged
on
a
more
regular
basis
on
a
monthly
basis.
We
we
meet
with
with
each
and
every
property
manager
with
with
our
resident
services.
Some
of
that
is
just
an
added
meeting,
some
of
that's
a
part
of
our
evictions,
prevention's
policy
that
we
rolled
out
back
last
year
in
in
August
of
2022..
M
A
Hey
Paul,
thanks
for
your
presentation
and
I
appreciate,
you
know
the
the
seriousness
with
which
you
are
taking
the
complaints
that
were
raised.
You
mentioned
that
you're.
Considering
a
revision
to
the
10
fee,
I
mean.
Can
you
tell
us
any
more
about
what
you're
going
to
plan
to
move
towards
or
what
are
some
of
the
options
that
are
being
considered.
M
A
Okay
would
love
to
to
get
a
copy
of
of
your
final
policy
once
it's.
A
Hear
it
at
the
TLC
any
other
Commissioners
have
have
questions
for
Mr
Bernard.
A
N
M
Yeah,
it's
it's
the
the
especially
the
five
thousand
dollar
War
bill.
You
know
that
was
that
was
surprising
to
me
and
you
know,
I
had
during
the
tenant
sort
of
Resident
meeting
that
we
had
I
had
the
bill
in
front
of
me
and
I
was
looking
through
the
bill
and
I
couldn't
find
and
I
reached
out
to
see
if
we
could
either
identify
the
resident
or
get
the
the
paperwork
or
the
bill.
I
was
promised
that
I
was
going
to
receive
the
bill,
but
I
did
not
receive
it.
E
A
Okay,
Emily
yeah
thanks
and
Elder
basuto.
L
I'm
wondering
there
were
also
some
reported
issues
about
security
in
the
building,
I,
think
drug
distribution
in
and
around
the
building,
and
also
I
heard
about
a
gunshot
or
something
happening
in
the
building.
I'm
wondering
what's
being
done
about
security
and
also
there's
other
issues
with
Harbor
group
going
on
in
I
forget
which
complex
this
is,
and
it's
in
North
Arlington
with
ant
infestations
and
harbor
group
not
being
able
to
help
the
residents
there
as
well.
L
Are
you
aware
of
that,
and
do
you
know
what
what
can
be
done
to
help
out
the
residents
if
they
have
to
temporarily
remove
themselves
from
the
apartment.
M
So
I
I
can't
speak
to
the
ad
infestation,
because
this
is
the
first
time
I'm
hearing
that,
but
as
to
the
security
issues,
there's
a
special
dream:
Valley
Association
committee,
that's
meeting
on
I
think
a
bi-weekly
basis.
I
was
at
the
last
meeting
where
representatives
from
from
Arlington
County
show
up
the
police
were
there
and-
and
we
are
there
to
to
review
improvements-
and
we
are
you
know
we
are
constantly
working
on
ways
to
it's
sort
of
it.
It
increase
what
we
do.
M
L
Yes,
I
wanted
to
hear
the
answer
to
that
follow-up
question
about
I.
Think
it's
Westover,
one
of
the
units
in
North
Arlington,
where
a
resident
has
had
to
move
out
temporarily
they're
trying
to
address
like
a
terrible
and
infestation.
It's
been
fogged
two
or
three
times
and
the
Ants
continue
to
come
into
the
apartment.
L
There's
a
small
child
inside
of
the
apartment
as
well
and
I
know
they
met
with
Harbor
group,
and
there
was
no
resolution
there.
Just
they
just
pretty
much
told
them
that
they
had
done
what
they
could
and
they
sent
them
to
the
county
and
then
in
the
county
they
told
them
that
the
shelters
were
full
and
so
I'm
wondering.
L
Is
there
anything
that
can
be
done
through
resident
services
or
or
other
means,
because
this
this
one
resonant
right
now
is
is
staying
in
a
sofa
with
somebody
in
somebody's
home
temporarily
trying
to
get
this
resolved.
I
think
they're,
going
on
three
four
weeks
now.
M
A
Yeah
and
to
the
extent
that
you
you
provided
to
Mr
Bernard
I,
think
you
know
we'd
like
to
take
a
look
at
it
and
and
coordinate
with
the
county
on
on
it
and
try
and
verify.
What's
going
on.
A
Unless
there's
anything
else,
we'll
move
along
to
an
update
on
Clarendon
Court
and
and
thank
you
very
much
for
your
time,
Mr
Bernard.
We
appreciate
you
coming
to
the
the
TLC
and
thank
you
for
you
know
taking
these
these
complaints
seriously.
Thank
you
appreciate
it.
A
All
right
so
for
Clarendon
courts,
I
think
rolled
out
yeah.
Here
we
go
perfect,
so
we
received
a
response.
I
think
we
included
it
if
I'm
not
mistaken
in
the.
B
L
A
Yeah
I'm
just
trying
to
navigate
on
my
phone
and
not
working
quite
as
well
as
I
hope
so.
A
I
think
that,
after
we
received
a
response,
including
this
one,
the
the
person
who
made
the
complaints
or
one
of
the
innovators
who
made
the
complaint
had
followed
up
by
saying
that
they
were
still
experiencing
issues
with
the
pest
control
and
had
provided
some
new
photos.
Is
that
right,
we're
all
done?
I'm,
remembering
correctly
I
think
I've
got
her
email
here.
Yes,.
E
They
provided
two
well
two
photos
of
the
bushes
referred
to
here,
which
was
you
know:
the
management
company
removed
the
bushes.
You
know
which
apparently,
they
thought
the
the
rodents
were
perhaps
living
in
the
bushes.
So
the
the
two
photos
that
were
sent
indicated
that
before
and
after
removal
of
the
bushes,
but
in
addition
to
that,
I
believe
in
addition
to
that,
I
believe
that
the
the
complainant
sent
a
bunch
of
additional
photos
right.
E
Part
of
the
difficulty
with
this
project
with
this
particular
property
is
that
there
is
a
lot
of
disposal
of
trash
after
hours
and
on
weekends
and
the
trash
is
coming
from
elsewhere
and
housing
staff
has
indicated
that
this
amount
is
occurring
at
several
properties
where
people
are
bringing
trash
from
elsewhere
and
depositing
it
in
these
receptacles
and
various
properties,
and
this
one
happens
to
be
one
of
those
that's
experiencing
that
problem.
So
it's
an
ongoing
problem
with
the
new
photos
that
were
sent.
E
They
have
been
forwarded
to
the
court
enforcement
inspector
who's
there,
in
addition
to
our
staff,
Inspector
Inspector
on
housing
staff
who
Who
provided
these
comments
there.
These
responses,
these
questions
that
were
given
to
the
property
management
company,
so
I
guess
the
bottom
line.
Is
it's
continuing?
It's
some.
You
know
an
ongoing
problem
and
you
know
some
I
guess
some
additional
resources,
as
perhaps
need
to
be
laundered,
but
I'm
at
this
point,
I'm
I'm
not
sure
what
the
what
this
strategy
is.
A
Yeah
I
think.
Likewise,
we
received
a
response
from
management
that
said
that
they
hadn't
observed
any
homeless
people
sleeping
in
the
the
laundry
room
areas,
but
they
didn't
provide
any
indication
that
they
were
going
to
secure
the
area
more.
You
know
it's
still
insecure.
Basically,
I
think
that
I
mean
I.
Think
we
should.
We
should
push
back
on
the
management
company.
A
On
that
point
and
and
continue
to
you
know,
let
them
know
that
I
mean
to
the
extent
that
code
enforcement
thinks
that
the
the
trash
issue
is
something
that
they
can
address.
A
E
So
I
I
did
not
get
an
update
from
code
enforcement
I.
Just
once
you
got
additional
information
on
the
well
feedback
from
the
complainant.
I
just
just
sent
the
email
to
code
enforcement
and
yeah.
There.
A
I
think
it
was
earlier
this
week
so
on
the
12th
all
right,
so
I
guess
we'll
continue
to
give
them
an
opportunity
to
to
follow
up
and
and
we'll
await
and
update
at
our
next
meeting.
In
the
meantime,
I
think
you
know
we
should.
We
should
affirmatively
ask
them
to
secure
the
the
laundry
room.
G
Oh
yeah
I,
just
I
appreciate
that
appreciate
that
David
and
I'd
like
to
see
the
email
responses
from
the
management
company
as
they
come
in
I
apologize
for
sending
my
email
to
everyone
in
violation
of
the
rules
for
public
meetings
but
I.
G
You
could
probably
tell
from
my
email
that
I
feel
like
they
blew
us
off
a
little
bit,
especially
on
the
safety
issue
and
I
just
appreciate
more
info,
especially
about
the
the
folks,
the
homeless
folks
sleeping
in
the
in
the
unit
or
in
the
laundry
facilities
that
didn't
really.
That
answer
didn't
really
satisfy
me.
So
I
I
just
appreciate
the
continued
push
on
this
and
thanks
rolda
for
sending
that
out.
E
D
E
Lot
of
the
difficulty
that
this
this
end
of
the
property
management
companies
are
experiencing
is
establish,
stash
shortage,
yeah,
and
so
in
this
particular
situation
it
sounds
as
if
they
are,
they
are
present
on
the
site.
It
sounds
like
three
three
or
four
days
a
week
and,
and
that
does
not
include
weekends
clearly,
because
that
is
when
a
lot
of
the
trash
is
occurring.
E
A
Yeah,
let's
do
that
as
the
next
step
roll
to
and
then
you
know,
just
keep
us
abreast
of
any
findings
that
code
enforcement
has
yeah.
A
You
know
related
to
this,
and
you
know
the
last
couple
of
complaints
and
in
discussion
with
some
of
the
other
Commissioners
I
I
have
decided
that
it
I
think
it's
a
good
idea
for
us
to
pursue
a
more
standardized
process
for
intake
of
these
complaints,
including
you
know,
sort
of
like
a
checklist
in
the
same
way
that
we
do
for
our
relocation
guidelines
so
that
you
know
we
we
ensure
not
only
the
things
are
being
taken
care
of
internally
and
that
we're
not
missing
steps
or
you
know,
failing
to
check
with
certain
responsible
parties,
but
also
so
we
can
keep
Commissioners
informed
about
about
these
things.
A
You
know
clearly,
this
is
this
is
one
of
the
most
important
things
that
the
TLC
does
and
I
think
it's.
It's
been
a
a
failure
on,
on
my
part,
to
not
publicize
all
the
efforts
that
are
ongoing
behind
the
scenes
that
I'm
often
cc'd
on
that
Commissioners
aren't
necessarily
in
so
you
know,
I'm,
taking
responsibility
for
that
and
I
plan
by
the
next
meeting
to
come
with
a
process
in
consult
association
with
staff.
That
Commissioners
can
comment
on
and
approve
for
all
ongoing
comments
in
the
future
that
we
receive.
A
Are
there
any
other
questions
or
comments
related
to
these
updates?
From
the
complaints
we
received
last
last
month,.
A
Okay,
we
have
subcommittee
reports
I'm,
not
sure
how
many
updates
we
have,
but
Emily
would
you
mind
going
first.
N
Meeting
again
on
the
26th,
the
last
meeting
we
had
we
heard
from
Fairfax
County
about
their
experience
with
alternate
dispute
resolution
and
it
is
not
used
kind
of
at
all.
So
they
have
all.
Their
resolution
is
done
by
staff,
their
housing
staff
there,
so
the
next
meaning
that
we
have
on
the
26th.
We'll
have
Jennifer
Daniel
Daniels
there
talking
about
what
we
really
want
to
help.
What
our
recommendations
would
be
and
David
I
was
going
to
say.
N
A
Okay,
yeah,
that
sounds
good
and,
of
course,
all
Commissioners
are
always
invited
to
attend
subcommittee
meetings
to
the
extent
they
you
know
are
interested
in
whatever's
being
discussed,
and
it
sounds
like
this
will
be
an
important
one.
So
I
encourage
you
to
attend
subcommittee
meetings
or
where
we
get
to
do
a
lot
of
our
work
because,
unfortunately,
as
you
can
tell
it
at
8,
40
p.m.
Our
time
is
limited
on
our
monthly
calls.
So
thanks
for
that
update
Emily,
so.
E
F
Sort
of
so
we
had
a
meeting
last
Monday
I
was,
unfortunately
time
limited
by
an
obligation
to
get
to
Dulles.
So
I
was
only
there
for
about
40
minutes,
but
we
did
speak
to
Jennifer
Daniels
and
her
colleague,
whose
name
is
escaping
me
and
they
provided
an
update.
Well,
essentially,
they
followed
up
on
the
comments
that
we
had
from
The
Joint
meeting
in
May,
where
we
understood
that
they
were
working
on
some
residents.
F
Outreach
efforts
to
be
honest,
it
was
a
frustrating
I
was
frustrated
from
the
outcome
of
that
meeting
last
Monday
because
it
seems
as
though
some
of
the
things
that
we've
been
talking
about
at
the
TLC
relative
to
tenant,
Outreach
and
some
of
the
ideas
and
things
that
we
were
planning
on
undertaking
are
basically
being
already
done
by
the
housing
division,
and
it's
frustrating
that
a
we
didn't
know
that
and
B
that
you
know
that
you
know
we
weren't,
maybe
more
involved
in
that
process.
F
You
know
I
think
we
would
have
some
good
input.
I,
don't
know
how
seriously
the
housing
division
staff
would
have
taken
that
input
if
we'd
been
given
it,
you
know
able
to
give
it
earlier.
F
You
know
we
they
they
did
show
some
things.
Some
very
attractively
designed
materials
on
their.
You
know
during
the
presentation
that
they
gave
us
asked
us
for
feedback
kind
of
on
the
spot.
I
think
we
had
a
couple
things
again:
I,
don't
know
how
seriously
that
feedback
will
be
taken.
They
did
generously
offer
for
us
to
be
their
Network
to
distribute
this
stuff,
which
I
was
kind
of
frustrated
by,
but
you
know
so
I.
F
You
know,
I
really,
don't
know
what
the
future
of
the
Outreach
subcommittee
will
be
if
the
housing
division
is
taking
it
upon
themselves
to
spearhead
Outreach,
so
happy
to
hear
what
other
commission
members
think
about
that
or
other
subcommittee
members.
I
know
Matt's
not
here,
but
here
it
did
attend
that
meeting
last
week.
So.
A
Okay
and
Ryan
can
whoever
or
I
guess
Roald
can
you
can
you
get
us
that
one
page
or
that
housing
has
put
together
so
that
it's.
F
E
So
this
process,
this
communication
process
and
engagement
with
with
with
residents-
that's
that's
our
wheelhouse.
This
is
what
we
do
all
the
time
in
various
formats
and
various
ways,
whether
it's
workshops-
that's
you
know,
having
various
community
fairs.
Now
we
have
embarked
upon
actually
creating
the
materials,
primarily
with
the
intention
to
distribute
our
calf
units.
That
was
primarily
the
focus
on
the
audience
that
these
materials
were
going
to.
E
So
this
has
been
in
the
works
for
and
in
it
has
intensified,
because
you
know
we're
always
getting
comments
about
people
not
knowing
where
resources
are
and
how
to
find
them
and
whatnot,
and
so
we
found
that
this.
This
is
a
way
to
do
that.
In
addition
to
that,
we
have
the
the
upcoming
well
and
or
ongoing
project
of
updating
the
website,
which
again
you've
probably
been
hearing.
We
all
have
been
hearing
about
that
for
a
very
long
time.
F
Well,
I
guess
to
respond
to
that
real
quickly.
I
would
just
say:
I
was
frustrated
that
that
hadn't
been
mentioned
to
us
previously.
Maybe
the
the
website
stuff,
that's
fine.
You
know
redoing
the
website
or
whatever,
but
I
mean
we
were.
F
We've
been
having
Outreach
committee
sub,
meet
up
subcommittee
meetings
for
six
months
and
this
hasn't
come
up
and
and
further
you
know
we
asked
a
question
about
whether
or
not
it
would
be
possible
to
have
the
County
Board
support
either
a
required
or
voluntary
initiative
to
you
know
to
have
landlords
distribute
this
because
a
lot
of
the
the
questions
we
get
are
not
necessarily
related
to
calf
units,
but
all
of
the
thousands
of
other
units
in
you
know
in
Arlington
County-
and
you
know
this
is
the
TLC-
is
obviously
dedicated
to
all
rental
units,
not
just
calf
units,
so
I
mean
it
just
it.
F
I
was
I'm
sure.
Maybe
you
could
tell
from
last
week.
I
was
frustrated
from
that
meeting.
You
know
rightly
or
wrongly,
I,
don't
know,
but.
E
Well,
it's
not
just
documents
they're
also
doing
some
magnets
and
they're
doing
some
other
things,
so
I
think
some
funding
has
become
available
to
put
towards
this
and
so
they're
trying
to
get
this
done.
So
this
is
why
the
intensity
would
you
know
with
the
work,
and
that
is
finally
happening
now.
E
With
regard
to
the
question:
did
you
have
posed
from
very
early
that
has
gone
through
the
it
is
at
the
county,
attorney's
office?
They
are
handling
it.
You
know
with
our
intern
or
somebody
who's
looking
into
it.
So
we
are
still
waiting
to
here.
What
what
the
outcome
is
from
that
and
you
will
be
told
as
soon
as
we
know,.
H
Ms
Daniels
is
going
to
be
presenting
to
the
in
the
next
some
committee
meeting
on
the
28th.
So
if
other
Commissioners
want
to
be
present
there,
you
will
be
he
you
will
be
able
to
hear
on
on
that.
H
Again,
the
the
finals
on
on
the
Flyers
and
what
they
have
presented
before.
F
Okay,
well,
I
mean
okay,
but
so
the
only
the
only
time
that
we've
ever
seen
it
were
when
they
flashed
them
on
the
screen
at
the
last
subcommittee
meeting.
So
if
everything's
gone
final,
that
doesn't
sound
to
me
like
they're,
really
looking
for
input
from
the
TLC
I
mean
I
would
think
that
that
would
be
something
that
we
we
would
give
be
given.
That
would
be
sent
to
us
and
given
a
chance
to
review
or
or
whatever.
F
This
is
that's
kind
of
what
I'm
talking
about
I.
Guess,
if
that's
not
the
case,
that's
fine!
If,
if
they're
gonna
just
do
it
and
inform
us,
that's
fine
too
I
guess
you
know
we're
not
required
to
comment,
but
to
the
extent
that
they're
looking
for
feedback
I
would
think
that
they
would
distribute
it
to
the
TLC,
and
we
would
be
given
a
chance
to
do
that.
A
Yeah
roll
the
I
mean
if
these
it
sounds
like
these
exist
right
in
some
form,
whether
they're
draft
or
final
I
think
it.
It
makes
sense
that
the
commission
sees
it
and
gets
a
chance
to
talk
about
it
at
the
next
TLC
meeting.
Am
I
am
I
understanding
correctly
that
there's
a
scheduled
subcommittee
meeting
for
the
28th
I
I
must
have
missed
that.
If
that
was
yes.
H
F
E
A
A
A
I
mean
I'm,
an
attorney
I've
got
a
little
more
experience
than
a
legal
intern,
but
I
I
do
want
to
make
sure
you.
A
I
I
want
I
want
to
make
sure
I
think
you
know,
in
light
of
some
of
the
comments
that
they're
taking
this
request
seriously
and
I
would
like
to
get
a
little
bit
firmer
of
a
timeline
other
than
just
that
they
have
it
in
their
queue
right
so
rolled.
If
you
wouldn't
mind
just
following
up
them
asking
when
we
can
expect
a
response-
and
maybe
maybe
I'll
pull
out
Westlaw
later
tonight
or
something
okay,
that
was
the
subcommittee
reports.
Are
there
any
other
comments
on
subcommittee
issues.
A
Someone
has
their
phone
unmuted
if
you're
going
to
speak,
go
ahead,
otherwise.
B
David
I'm
just
gonna,
say
I
apologize
for
the
feedback.
I
was
just
going
to
say.
I
agree
with
what
Ryan
said,
that
there
is
question
about
duplicate
efforts,
but
I,
don't
know
about
I,
don't
know
it.
Maybe
it's
a
good
thing
that
the
county,
the
county,
doing
it,
has
big
big
resources
so
that
they
could
put
it
at
printed
that
we
use
in
conditions.
A
A
You
know
to
request
additional
funding
to
distribute
to
more
than
just
calf
units,
whether
it's
a
voluntary
program
or
not
I
think
is
a
question
that'll
be
determined
by
the
county
attorney's
office,
but
I
don't
see
what
prohibition
there
would
be
against
providing
a
resource
to
landlords
who
want
to
voluntarily
include.
You
know
one
pager
that
aligns
with
that
that's
distributed
to
calf
units
anyway,
again,
I'm.
C
A
E
A
Yeah
well
I
guess
then
it's
good
that
we'll
have
that
upcoming
subcommittee
meeting,
because
it
seems
like
we
really
haven't
gotten
a
full
sense
of
what
the
county
is
planning
on
this,
and
obviously
this
is
an
issue
that
you
know
we
want.
We
want
to
have
some
input
on
so
I
think
that
you
know
we'd
we'd
like
to
get
a
a
full
throated
explanation
of
the
the
plan
from
the
county
at
the
next
subcommittee
meeting.
B
A
Great
finally,
and
then
we'll
unless
there's
any
reports
from
staff
we'll
go,
the
Housing
Commission
recently
adopted
an
equity
framework
that
raldo
will
provide
to
the
Commissioners.
Following
this
meeting.
I'm.
A
About
it
very
long
because
we're
you
know,
we've
run
out
of
time,
obviously,
but
it
just
takes
a
look
at
issues
that
come
into
the
Housing
Commission
or
the
TLC.
If
we
were
to
adopt
it
and
tries
to
ask
questions
in
sort
of
a
principled
way
about,
you
know
who's
benefiting
from
whatever
policies
being
discussed,
you
know
what
what
communities
might
we
be
forgetting
or
leaving
out?
A
A
All
that
Commissioners
take
a
look
at
that
document
once
roll
the
distributes
it
after
the
meeting,
and
we
can
talk
about
it
and
vote
on
whether
we
approve
it
at
the
next
meeting,
but
I'd
ask
that
you
just
take
a
moment
to
consider
it
and-
and
you
know,
I
suspect
that
I'll
be
voting
yes
on
it,
because
I
think
it
only
helps
us
be
more
rigorous
about
our
approach
to
a
policy
and
and
complaints
and
questions
that
come
to
the
TLC.
Okay,
great
anything
else
from
staff
Rhoda,
so.
E
E
Chris
gave
the
opening
remarks
along
with
welcome
from
Vanessa
and
Vanessa,
and
then
we
went
into
the
sessions
as
we
had
planned.
So
those
went
really
well
people
real.
You
know
having
those
organizations
there,
the
two
legal
organizations,
in
addition
to
people
getting
information
about
tenant,
organizing
and
then
the
whole
maintenance
section
with
a
panelists
of
Code
Enforcement
environmental
health
and
our
housing
Outreach
coordinator.
E
So
those
answers
on
maintenance
answered
those
questions
were
answered
and
in
general
it
went
well
so
I
think
Sarah
had
asked
to
get
a
a
quick
overview
of
that,
so
that
that
went
well.
So
we're
hoping
looking
to
maybe
do
that
on
an
annual
basis.
E
So
we
see
how
it
goes
and,
of
course
you
know
open
to
any
suggestions
and
how
to
improve
it
and
what
else
we
needed
to
do
to
to
to
attract
and
encourage
more
people
to
come
on
out.
So
we'll
see
provided
child
care,
we
provided
food,
we
provided,
you
know
and
pretty
much
did
a
blast
of
marketing
through
various
venues
and
different.
You
know
medium
so
as
our
partner
and
then
DHS.
They
did
all
of
their
programs.
A
Yeah
I'm
glad
here
was
a
success.
I
was
I,
was
sad,
I
wasn't
able
to
make
it
I
had
another
obligation
that
day
and
thank
you
Chris
for
stepping
in
and
giving
the
remarks
at
the
beginning,
I'm
sure
you
said
things
that
were
far
more
eloquent
than
anything
I
could
put
together,
but
maybe
this
is
another
area
where
we
can
coordinate
with
the
county
on
on
Outreach,
so
absolutely
yeah.
So,
let's,
let's
consider
talking
about
that
at
the
next
subcommunity
meeting
as
well.
A
What
TLC
can
can
bring
in
terms
of
input
and
for
the
next
one
if
this
is
going
to
be
an
annual
thing?
A
H
Thank
you
also
I,
sorry
to
interrupt
I
want
to
indicate
that
sorry,
Marabella
phase
two
has
completed
the
relocation
of
all
the
tenants
that
was
successful.
They
are
proceeding
to
the
Malaysian
we're
going
to
report
next
on
the
other
two
relocations
they
have,
but
right
now,
maravela
phase
two
site,
a
it's
complete
good.
A
Glad
to
hear
that's
going
along
well
and
please
let
us
know,
of
course,
if
there's
anything,
you
know
any
issues
that
they're
experiencing
with
the
relocation
all
right.
Thank
you.
Everyone
for
bearing
with
us
for
a
longer
meeting
than
normal
I
appreciate
your
time.
That
concludes
the
June
14th
2023
tenant
landlord
commission,
actually
I.
Think
I
need
a
motion
to
adjourn.
A
You
Sarah
thank
you,
Ryan,
none
with
hearing
none
opposed.
That
concludes
the
the
June
14
2023
TLC
meeting.
Thank
you.
Thanks,
bye,
all
good.