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A
Good
all
right
good
evening,
everyone,
my
name,
is
Leah
sarley
I'm,
with
the
Planning
Commission
and
chair
of
the
social
committee.
Welcome
to
the
June
6
2023
Zodi
Delco
zoning
committee
meeting
we'll
be
holding
the
hybrid
public
meeting
open.
Electronic
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2022nd
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A
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subject
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freedom,
information,
okay,
we'll
do
random
introductions
and
then
we'll
kick
off
with
our
agenda
and
I'll.
Do
a
quick
review
of
those.
So
I
am
Leo
sarley
with
the
Planning
Commission.
D
Er
Planning
Commission
exec
planning
set
wall
is
playing
today.
A
That
will
stick
with
the
committee
Henley
Tony's.
E
A
Writers
also
with
the
planning
Department.
A
Right
on
tonight's
meeting,
we
have
two
items:
first,
we're
going
to
review
the
Pentagon
City
sector
plan
implementation
and
changes
to
the
zoning
code
there
and
then
next
we're
going
to
talk
about
the
future
outdoor,
dining,
dining
food
very
cute
and
ptosis
right
am
I.
Remember
that
correctly,
temporary
outdoor
all
right
with
that
I
will
turn
it
over
to
Matt.
For
his
presentation.
G
G
You
may
have
read
in
the
memo
that
we've
started
to
kind
of
drill
further
into
and
reevaluate
and
use
the
right
word
or
references
that
were
adopted
sort
of
a
year
ago
and
the
Pentagon
City
Cycle
plan
is
adopted
and
that
led
us
to
consider
a
more
conservative
interpretation.
G
Two
surgical
strikes,
if
you
will
in
the
rh16,
sewing
District
that
help
us
clarify
any
remaining
ambiguity,
which
I
think
is
open
to
interpretation
that
allows
us
to
be
on
the
same
page,
very
clear
about
what
our
expectations
are
and
what's
permitted.
G
G
G
So
with
that,
if
we
look
at
I
need
to
adopted
in
February
22
it
involved.
Obviously,
the
conclusion
of
a
18-month
planning
process
yielded
the
sector
plan,
but
it
also
involved
a
number
of
amendments
to
some
of
our
other
possible.
These
involved,
the
general
Landings
plan,
but
map
and
also
the
zoning
agreements.
G
Here
we
were
basically
able
to
expand
node
number
four
to
previously
used
to
be
called
the
coordinated
development
District
getting
the
first
generation
of
buildings
in
Pentagon
City,
and
we
are
now
calling
it
The,
coordinated,
Redevelopment,
District,
second
generation
of
buildings
and
to
be
envisioned
and
ultimately
be
developed
in
that
part
of
the
county.
G
We've
also
added
a
few
minor
Street
amendments
detaching
the
MTP
time,
but
also
of
that
so
many
ordinance
where
two
primary
zoning
districts
that
occupy
that
new
District
governed
by
the
sector
plan
could
realize
the
vision
in
that
second
plan,
but
without
reason.
So
in
each
case,
whether
it's
section
65
that
deals
with
ra16.
B
G
712
it
deals
with
co25
dominant.
It's
only
District.
We
established
clear
site
eligibility
standards
so
that
properties
that
have
that
zoning
and
are
located
in
this
District
can
utilize
guidance
density
and
height
provisions.
G
In
addition
to
that,
let's
complement
that
we've
also
looked
at
section
9.6.
We
have
those
special
planning
areas.
We
created
a
brand
new
one
from
Pentagon
City,
Regina,
District,
defining
District
to
make
sure
that
some
of
that
guidance
purpose
depends
some
of
the
criteria
of
the
County
Board.
Consideration
could
be
included
there
very
much
like
we
did
with
other
districts
so
get
that
in
place.
One
of
the
things
that
we
started
to
focus
in
on
recently
are.
G
G
B
G
The
west
and
south
of
the
district
so
kind
of
working
our
way
up
from
the
South.
If
you
will,
you
can
see
the
color-coded
regions
there
that
essentially
start
at
three
or
even
five
stories,
build
up
to
eight
ultimately
build
up
to
10
to
12.
and,
ultimately,
Southern
half
of
the
site
can
reach
the
same
Heights
as
the
current
building
Heights
that
you
see
there,
which
currently
are
17
stores.
G
G
When
we
compare
that
to
the
re-615
zoning
District
again
governing
the
same
area,
you
can
see
the
provisions
on
the
left
that
are
depending
on
City
sector
plan,
but
on
the
right
there's
a
very
specific
provision
that
deals
with
other
kids.
G
Now.
Similarly,
when
we
look
at
land
uses
particularly
uses
that
are
committed
in
the
ground
floor
future
buildings
that
same
Western
portion
of
the
district,
which
you
can
see
here
in
the
future
retail
plan,
those
Envision
some
supportive
graph-
or
this-
is
that
kind
of
mirror.
That's
happening
across
Pentagon
row,
West
Coast.
Now
we
wanted
to
have
some
red
and
gold
news
categories.
G
Helping
us
with
various
different
uses
ground
floor,
but
primarily
the
rest
of
the
area
is
envision
because
that's
the
case,
we
compare
that
to
the
RAC
team
zoning
District,
which
references
you
to
the
stable
6.1.
All
the
ra
soin
districts
are
listed.
You
can
see
in
that
far
right
column
there.
G
It's
a
lot
of
empty
boxes
which
indicate
that
some
uses
that
you
typically
see
in
mixtures
buildings
are
actually
so.
This
is
one
another
distinction.
We
wanted
to
clarify
that,
if
you're
located
in
Pentagon
City,
it's
actually
not
as
restricted
I,
want
you
to
use
the
same
options
that,
depending
on
City
sector
plan,
allows,
and
that
is
really
something
that
represents
the
county
Awards
recent
guidance
in
terms
of
how
Redevelopment
should
occur
so
with
that
assessment.
G
But
we're
also
contemplating
is:
is
this
limited
to
just
Pentagon
City?
This
is
where
things
start
to
get
a
little
bit
interesting
in
that
we
have
a
handful
of
instances,
rh615
zoning
properties
actually
being
located
in
the
same
area
as
previous
previously
adopted
policy
guidance
in
the
form
of
different
districts
that
you
can
see
over
time
have
been
adopted.
G
G
One
example
that
I
wanted
to
highlight
here
is
we
actually
look
at
the
quantity
Pi
Corridor?
That
represents
two
of
those
instances
where
we
have
pretty
significant
properties
that
currently
are
zoned
over
615,
but
are
also
eligible
to
use
the
neighborhoods
from
race
code,
where,
in
those
cases,
Elder
Care,
Elder,
Care
building
uses,
could
actually
reach
types
of
footage
stories
significantly
taller
than
70
feet.
Currently,.
G
So
that
guidance
also
expressed
by
the
County
Board
since
I,
think
what
is
permitted,
verify
that
ambiguity.
Well,
you
should
really
restrict
this
amendments.
G
Has
two
key
categories
on
the
left
is
section
65.
selling
re-615
standards.
Here
we
wanted
to
really
just
focus
uses
make
sure
that
the
future
retail
map
found
in
the
sector
plan
can
also
be
utilized
for
determining
appropriate
uses
again
just
for
properties
that
are
in
Pentagon
City
and
similarly
the
district
you
standards,
certainly
for
height
restriction,
is
located.
G
I
wanted
to
make
sure
there
was
an
exception
made
properties
in
Pentagon
City,
which
could
follow
the
density
and
height
revisions
and
then
just
to
kind
of
complement
that,
on
the
other
end,
when
we
look
at
that
special
planning
area,
section,
six
I
wanted
to
make
sure
that
our
support
consider
is
appropriate
site
plans.
It
makes
that
determination
not
just
the
height
of
density,
but
also
on
the
appropriate
and
use
mix.
G
So
we
wanted
to
kind
of
elaborate
and
be
more
explicit
in
that
regard,
and
also,
in
section
965
new
section
that
we're
adding
at
the
end
of
that
special
planning
area,
just
kind
of
outline.
Those
specific
use
categories
that
exist.
The
rating
circuit
plan
to
make
sure
that
we've
reinforce
that
retail
map
make
sure
that
those
use
categories
standards.
A
B
G
A
Great,
thank
you
Mr
matuzik,
so
we'll
bring
the
conversation
to
the
committee.
Anybody
have
any
clarifying
questions
or
need
anything
from.
D
B
E
G
D
Some
today
right,
but
if
you
can
already
build
a
multi-family
taller,
Elder
Care
is
a
multi-family.
Really.
It
just
means
it's
older
multi-families
than
younger
ones,
so
it
doesn't
seem
the
use
isn't
categorically
different,
so
why
those
are
limited
to
seven,
whereas
others
can
control.
It
doesn't
make
any
sense
to
me
at
all.
C
Well,
taken
I,
don't
know
if
I've
gotten
anything
else
to
layer
in
beyond
what
Matt
was
describing
just
to
say
it
in
a
different
way.
Candidly,
there
you
know
there
was
a
scoping
conversation
early
on
in
the
study.
There
are
other
jurisdictions
that
allow
Elder
Care
uses
in
their
version
of
our
districts
oftentimes
through
some
sort
of
special
exception.
C
We
knew
that
the
commercial
mixed
use
districts
were
needed
and
wanted
that
type
of
use
there.
We
knew
that
and
we
felt
strongly
that
it
was
appropriate
for
the
multi-family,
but
again
looking
at
a
county-wide
perspective,
not
doing
a
parcel
by
parcel
case-by-case
sort
of
Urban
Design
analysis.
We
went
with
a
more
conservative
approach
with
the
building.
D
D
A
F
D
A
I
G
D
G
D
Is
there
a
specific
reason,
of
course,
having
been
involved?
Pentagon
City
plan,
as
you
know,
fully
support
all
of
these
changes,
because
it
certainly
was
in
what
we
were
contemplating
when
we
were
going
through
this
exercise
we
originally
so
all
of
these
are
so
young,
because
this
is
an
easy
quality.
H
H
Showing
the
tiering
that
would
kind
of
be
applied,
whereas
in
these
other
neighborhoods
would
there
be
that
same
protection,
but
that
hearing
works.
B
D
H
So
in
Pentagon
City
we
have
deteriorate
protections
because
of
the
Pentagon
City
over
here.
If
we
were
going
to
expand
a
lot,
remove
the
70
foot,
you
know
limitation,
that's
Columbia
Pike,
so
it
was
maybe
over
here.
You
know
when
they
have
the
same
tiering
protections
from
a
secondary
plan
or
if
we
remove
that
70
foot
restriction,
you
know,
are
they
going
to
build
a
hundreds,
foot,
Elderly,
Care,
Facility
right
next
to
us.
D
D
A
To
fully
support
that
that
that's
I
think
where
we're
at
what
is
it
that
we're
solving
with
this
again
I
didn't
participate
on
the
Pentagon
ESP,
wait,
probably
shouldn't,
but
I
think
we'd
love
to
hear
the
reason
behind
this.
Highlighting
of
this
particular
use.
C
Stairs
Mr
chair
that
the
as
we
sort
of
articulated
previously
the
building
height
cap
functionally
that's
in
the
zoning
ordinance,
is
simply
a
product
of
of
form
and
wanting
to
be
at
the
time
in
2019
as
sensitive
as
possible
to
the
variety
of
different
occurrences
where
multi-family
zoning
would
be
adjacent
to
lower
density,
oftentimes,
our
district
zoning
so
just
kind
of
bringing
things
back
to
the
center
I'm
hearing.
And
if
commissioner
Lance
helmet
speaks
broadly
from
a
consensus
perspective.
C
I
think
that
the
commission
is
telling
staff
that
those
sorts
of
small
C
conservative
perspectives
that
made
their
way
into
zoning
ordinance
are
are
worth
a
reconsideration.
Only
telling
his
eyes
got.
D
What
was
the
reason
whenever
we
have
the
opportunity
to
take
a
look
at
especially
opportunity,
because
zoning
changes
not
happening
all
the
time,
so
if
we
have
an
opportunity
to
do
it,
let's
really
do
it.
You
show
us
really
think
through
take
that
seize
those
opportunities,
just
as
we're
doing
with
the
year
here
with
the
retail
ones,
where
we're
loosening
up
the
standards.
Yes,
yes,
even
for
everyone.
G
G
G
I
say
that
is
because
an
instance
is
gross
profession
here,
all
those
other
districts
already
exist
that
simply
presents
as
but
I
call
them
overlay
District
right,
it
could
be
just
it's.
A
second
option
is
a
property
advantage
of.
Therefore
you
are
no
longer
following
ra16
you're,
following
whatever
the
special
district
of
ours
elves,
not.
G
D
A
F
I,
just
I
want
to
raise
this
as
something
for
myself
to
be
thinking
about
I'm,
not
sure.
If
we're
doing
the
best
job
we
can
for
pickup
and
drop
off
short-term
access
to
retail
and
I.
You
know
I,
look
at
that
as
we
are
thinking
about
redeveloping
that
entire
site,
and
just
you
know
one
of
that
out
there.
F
If
I
understood
this
right,
so
adding
some
retail
on
the
ground
floor,
there
is
sort
of
leave
the
neighborhood
together
and
just
from
my
experience
over
the
last
20
years
living
here,
we're
still
really
auto-oriented
in
our
design,
but
we're
trying
to
reduce
some
of
that
and
we
don't
seem
to
have
a
really
great
pickup
and
drop
off,
and
so
we
get
deliveries
blocking
bike.
G
B
F
Could
it
conceivably
be
some
sort
of
something
with
a
different
paper
work,
yeah
and
just
yet
just
want
to
put
that
out
there
I'm
glad
you're,
making
it.
D
G
Ranges
of
detailed
what
we
try
to
do
is
in
each
Major
Street
segment,
so
like
Joy
Street
as
an
example
set
expectations,
we
want
that
cross-section
support
like
as
development
happens,
I
think
holistically
for
the
entire
District.
The
vision
is
to
make
sure
that
other
modes
of
travel
are
emphasized.
Beyond
cars
car
is
always
going
to
be
emphasized.
They
have
to
be
there's
a
pretty
specific
regulation
standards.
That's
me,
how
do
we
do
so
in
a
way
where
that
news
can
continue
to
operate
and
plus
they're
going
to
drive
right
but
pedestrians?
G
D
B
D
Like
trans
Plus
in
the
subway,
you
know
also
to
transmission
management
plans.
All
of
that
was
really
a
really
big
big
part
of.
A
B
A
Gently
coax
this
back
to
the
consistency
with
the
Pentagon
City
sector
plan.
Conversation
I,
think.
I
A
Is
really
relevant,
I
think
it
definitely
points
so
I'm
I
think
we
need
to
make
sure
that
you
have
the
feedback
and
the
information
that
you
need
to
continue
working
on
this
inconsistency
issue.
C
A
Right
now,
okay,
so
with
that
I'm
going
to
wrap
up
our
first
agenda
item
good,
pretty
good,
all
right!
Well,
thank
you
very
much
thanks
Matt
for
coming.
We
will
now
roll
over
to
item
number
two,
the
future
of
outdoor
dining
study.
A
That's
going
to
present
Brett
presenter
I
am
going
to
prep
the
committee
I
have
a
neighbor
Mr
Ethan
I
forget
your
last
name
hurts
Mr.
Current
is
going
to
do
a
short
presentation
showing
us
sort
of
an
instance
of
tosa
and
sort
of
some
lessons
that
we
can
learn
as
we
continue
to
conversation
in
it.
Keep
in
mind
that.
B
J
Hey
well
good
evening,
everybody
again,
my
name
is
Brett
Wallace
with
planning
division,
Urban,
Design
Team
I'm
here
to
provide
an
update
on
the
future
of
outdoor
dining
study
or
the
food
study
us.
We
were
here
last
month
with
the
zoning
committee,
where
I
gave
a
high
level
overview
of
the
study,
some
of
the
background
on
the
temporary
out
receding
areas,
doses
and
then
an
overview
of
some
of
our
preliminary
staff
recommendations.
J
So
for
those
that
are
not
familiar
with
the
staff
launched
the
study
in
the
fall
of
22.,
we
started
with
phase
one
of
the
study
where
we
were
really
doing
a
lot
of
information
gathering.
We
were
reviewing
the
existing
ptosis
again.
Toses
are
temporary
outdoor
seating
areas,
I'm
going
to
use
that
acronym
a
lot
this
evening.
J
We're
review
reviewing
the
toses
that
were
installed
over
the
pandemic.
We
also
looked
at
other
Benchmark
communities,
kind
of
looking
at
Best
Practices
in
other
cities
and
jurisdictions.
We
had
some
Community
engagement.
Last
fall.
We
had
some
online
feedback
form
received
over
2
000
responses.
We
we
hosted
a
couple
of
virtual
Round,
Table
events
where
we
got
a
lot
of
feedback.
J
We
didn't
move
into
phase
two
we're
taking
that
information
and
really
kind
of
formulating
some
of
the
recommendations
that
you'll
see
this
evening.
Just
a
point.
A
note
that
the
County
Board
did
extend
the
continuity
of
governance
ordinance
with
the
kogo
in
January,
which
extends
the
ptosis
to
August
15th
of
this
this
year.
J
So
right
now
we're
really
in
phase
three,
where
we're
really
sharing
the
information
and
we're
meeting
with
committee.
This
evening,
we've
also
been
meeting
with
some
other
relevant
commissions
and
I'll
talk
about
those.
In
a
moment.
B
B
J
Overall,
early
on
in
the
study
we
developed
some
overarching
study
themes
to
help
keep
us
grounded
I'm
not
going
to
read
through
all
this,
but
I
really
wanted
to
highlight
that
really
thinking
about
restaurants
as
a
public
good,
activating
mixed-use,
neighborhoods
and
streetscapes,
creating
street
life
also
thinking
about
recovery
and
resiliency
for
restaurants
on
how
they
can
bounce
back
after
a
pandemic
and
some
of
the
losses
they
may
have
experienced.
But
there's
also
this
idea
of
different
places
in
different
spaces.
Not
every
Outdoor
Cafe
is
the
same.
J
J
So,
looking
at
the
recommended
framework
this
evening
we
have
three
main
ingredients
and
yes,
there
are
a
lot
of
puns
with
this
study.
The
three
main
ingredients
for
this
framework
include
number
one:
is
the
encroachment
ordinance
in
the
outper
cafe
license?
This
is
a
new
chapter
of
the
county
code.
That's
another
initiative,
that's
being
led
by
our
real
estate
office.
J
It's
going
to
be
inclusive
of
an
administrative
process
and
requirements
for
an
outdoor
Cafe
license
to
allow
the
private
use
of
the
public
right-of-way
by
paying
an
application
in
a
fee.
I'll
talk
about
that
in
a
moment.
This
really
stems
I,
mentioned
last
month
from
it
came
out
of
the
2015
retail
plan.
There
was
a
recommendation
in
the
action
plan
to
pursue.
B
J
Administrative
a
license
process,
and
this
is
also
something
that
a
lot
of
our
other
neighboring
jurisdictions
do.
So
that's
one
element
tonight
we'll
be
mainly
focused
on
the
zoning
ordinance
amendments
and
really
high
level.
These
amendments
are
permitting
outdoor
seating
in
public
Spaces
by
administrative
review.
J
Talk
about
that
in
a
moment,
a
change
there
and
then
we're
also
looking
at
the
ability
to
modify
parking
requirements
for
outdoor
cafes
located
in
parking
lots
by
use
permit
and
I
mentioned
the
Outdoor
Cafe
guidelines.
This
is
the
all-in-one
document
reference
manual
that
was
last
updated
in
2013..
We're
going
to
update
this
document
as
well
to
include
you
know,
introduction
the
application
and
permitting
process
clear
instructions
for
applicants,
guidance
on
clear,
sidewalks,
pedestrian
safety,
accessibility
in
any
other
relevant
guidance
on
building
the
fire
code.
J
Just
a
quickly
go
over
some
of
the
zoning
ordinance
regulations
that
we
presented
last
month
of
these
pretty
briefly
again.
The
current
approval
process
for
outdoor
cafes
are
either
on
private
property
or
Republic,
right-of-way
or
public
spaces,
and
so
for
private
property.
Those
upper
campaigns
could
be
approved
administratively
by
the
zoning
administrator
for
public
right-of-way
or
sidewalks
public
spaces
like
privately
owned
public
spaces
or
plazas.
Those
are
currently
reviewed
by
the
County
Board
as
a
use
permit.
J
Looking
at
the
zoning
orange
regulations,
just
providing
a
definition
for
what
an
outdoor
Cafe
is
I'm
sure
most
are
familiar
with.
What
that
day
is.
Do
you
want
to
note
that
the
outdoor
cafes
are
an
accessory
use
to
the
main
restaurant
on
the
property?
We
do
have
different
use
standards
in
the
zoning
ordinance,
both
private
property
and
public
rights
of
way-
and
those
are
noted
here,
including
for
private
property,
for
example-
fixtures
cannot
be
permanently
affixed
to
the
ground.
J
The
cafe
cannot
be
enclosed,
or
else
it
will
account
towards
a
square
footage
area.
There
are
restrictions
on
Sound,
audio,
visual
entertainment
and
then
the
Outdoor
Cafe
should
have
fewer
seats
than
the
indoor
portion
of
the
restaurant.
Those
last
two
bullets.
Those
Provisions
can
be
modified
by
the
County
Board
by
use
permit
today,
at
pre-pandemic
and
for
the
public
right-of-way
I
mentioned
earlier.
The
use
standards
are
requires
that
those
be
submitted.
J
Does
it
use
permit
to
Superbad
accountable
just
further
information
on
private
property
and
parking
in
specifically,
currently
outdoor
cafes
on
private
property
can
again
be
approved
by
right
by
the
zoning
Administration.
The
parking
ratio
of
restaurants
has
not
changed
since
1960.
That's
one
parking
space
for
every
six
seats
inside
the
restaurant
I
wanted
to
note
that
there
is
no
parking
requirement
outdoor
seating.
It's.
J
The
indoor
seat,
also
restaurants,
are
Exempted
from
parking
they're
within
a
thousand
feet
of
Metro.
This
could
be
also
Modified
by
the
counter.
J
So
I've
broken
it
down
into
three
groups
here.
So
I'll
start
first
with
the.
J
The
public
property,
and
so
what
we
have
on
this
slide
is
the
three
columns
we
have
the
uses
permitted
on
the
left
and
the
blue
first
two
columns,
there's
the
buy
right,
administrative
review
process
and
then
there's
the
county
board
use
permit
and
then
the
existing
standards
again
in
the
blue
column,
so
that
I
mentioned
the
private
property.
It's
not
encumbered
by
a
public
easement
could
be
approved
administratively.
J
Just
moving
over
to
the
right
green
comb
is
what
we're
currently
recommending
as
a
proposed
would
be
to
continue
that,
so
the
private
property
would
still
be
able
to
be
approved
by
right
administratively.
But
what
we're
looking
to
recommend
to
change
is
including
the
public
sidewalks
within
the
rights
of
way
that
could
also
be
approved
administratively,
and
that
would
include
utility
and
Street
easements.
J
It
would
exclude
the
travel
way
or
any
kind
of
on-street
party
within
the
public
right
and
then
moving
down
to
the
bottom
left.
A
County
Board
use
permit
I
noted
earlier
that
existing
today
requires
a
public
right-of-way
and
public
easement
areas
or
privately
owned
public
spaces
or
pops
would
require
a
use
permit
again,
that's
moving
up
to
the
administrative
pathway
and
is
currently
recommended,
but
we
are
looking
to
carry
over
the
privately
owned
public
spaces
to
be
approved
by
use
prevent
by
the
County
Board
and
I'll
talk
more
about
that
right
before.
C
C
We
we
thought
that
this
slide
was
sort
of,
like
your
close
notes,
version
your
your
dashboard,
and
so
we
end
up
wanting
to
return
to
slide
12
to
kind
of
encapsulate
the
high
level
I
think
Brett's,
really
condensed
and
summarized
a
very
high
levels:
staff
recommendation,
the
results
of
the
food
setting
in
those
food
buckets
and,
as
you'll
see
we're
going
to
start
I
believe
Brad
with
number
three
and
kind
of
work.
Our
way
up
with
some
of
the
the
rationale
and
the
analysis
behind
those
okay.
J
J
J
Throughout
the
county
we
have
approximately
75
pops
totaling,
approximately
eight
eight
hundred
thousand
square
feet
or
roughly
18
Acres,
which
certainly
contributes
to
the
public
space
Network.
We
also
developed
it
with
the
s
p,
design
guidelines
for
pops
as
well.
That
would
be
referred
to
by
staff
in
the
review
of
any
kind
of
alteration
to
anything.
Existing
Ops.
J
J
Some
additional
guidance
from
the
psmp
with
regard
to
outdoor
dining
and
privately
bases
and
parts
that
they
encourage
outdoor
dining
in
certain
contexts,
but
that
they
be
identified
early
in
the
process.
It's
not
an
afterthought
or
retrofitted,
into
Plaza
or
Park.
Design
This
should
be
thought
of
early
on
in
the
design
and
then
looking
at
these
is
mostly
temporary.
J
C
J
J
J
So
our
recommendations
that
you'll
see
noted
in
the
memo
we
are
recommending,
including
a
new
definition
to
article
18.
for
public
space,
privately
owned.
That's
online
197
in
the
memo
for
reference
and.
J
Why
we're
doing
this
is
to
really
distinguish
the
Pops
from
the
other
public
easement
areas
like
disciples
and
again,
we
would
be
recommending
that
outdoor
cafes
and
Pops
be
approved
by
use
permit,
which
is
again
something
that
practice
today.
J
So
the
user
permit
would
be
required
for
outdoor
cafes
and
props,
as
currently
proposed
and
we've
outlined
when
the
County
Board
finds
that
the
Outdoor
Cafe
or
the
pops
was
not
provided
as
a
community
benefit
part
of
a
site
plan
project
does
not
obstruct
or
deter
Public,
Access,
Pathways
or
public
access
to
points
of
interest
or
other
Landmark,
or
maybe
public
art
Futures,
and
that
the
cafe
be
a
minor
feature.
J
J
Standards
are
up
at
the
top
of
the
top
left,
so
we
are
requiring
a
new
standard
to
be
compliant
with
the
new
Chapter
70
of
the
county
code.
The
Outdoor
Cafe
license
now
requiring
a
six
foot
straight,
unobstructed
pedestrian,
clear
Zone
on
the
sidewalk
and
the
location
to
be
immediately
in
front
of
the
restaurant,
and
then
the
sound
and
audio
visual
entertainment
be
subject
to
hours
of
operation,
but
not
permitted
adjacent
to
our
ra
districts.
I
B
J
Restaurants,
hours
have
few
receipts
than
inside
the
restaurant
be
exempt
from
the
parking
requirements
again,
noting
those
that
can
be
approved
Modified
by
the
county.
J
J
B
B
J
I
did
want
to
provide
just
a
an
example
of
an
outdoor,
Cafe
I'm.
Sorry,
an
example
of
a
temporary
outdoor
seating
area
or
tosa.
That's
in
the
public
right-of-way
and
a
private
yard,
just
to
kind
of
illustrate
this
a
little
bit.
B
J
So
this
is
a
plan
view
on
the
left,
so
the
blue
area,
it's
the
area
that
was
approved
for
the
pandemic
of
2019.
J
This
was
approved
as
a
use
permit
in
the
blue
and
then
the
pink
just
showing
with
the
expanded
outdoor
seating
under
the
tosa
program.
So
in
2016
there
was
a
certificate
of
occupancy,
the
co
for
28
seats
and
again
that's
in
the
blue
area
and
then
in
2021
they
had
a
tosa
was
approved
for
88
seats,
the
pink
area,
and
so
we've
kind
of
outlined.
Looking
at
some
of
these
cases,
steps
that
they
would
need
to
come
into
compliance
or
if
they
wanted
to
keep
their
outdoor
seating.
As
shown
in
the.
B
I
B
J
J
J
We
would
like
to
work
with
applicants
to
bring
them
into
compliance,
wanted
to
outline
a
couple
of
options
for
this
particular
case.
J
Now,
I'll
just
move
on
to
private
property.
Again,
this
is
again
I
believe
a
good
summary
in
Cliff
Notes
version
for
the
private
property
as
well.
We've
got
the
existing
process
on
the
left
and
the
proposed
on
the
right
indicated
with
the
green
on
the
top,
where
we're
really
recommending
changes,
for
example,
existing
private
property,
the
cafe
Furniture,
including
tables
chairs,
bars.
J
We're
currently
proposing
that
the
cafe
furniture
doing
the
tables
and
chairs
can
be
affixed
to
the
ground
and
that
our
recommendation
for
the
sound
and
audio
visual
is
not
to
permit
those
when
adjacent
to
our
area.
Districts
and,
of
course,
one
that
recommendation
that
was
not
pre-existing
is
the
recommendation
to
prevent
outdoor
cafes
located
on
parking
spaces
that
are
not
required
to
meet.
A
E
J
I'll
speed
things
up
just
some
examples
of
all
the
movable
s
and
chairs
we
have
and
then
some
of
the
examples
of
some
of
the
canopies
and
covers
that
have
been
built
by
right,
private
property.
So
some
of
these
cases
were
solved
as
ptosis
may
need
to
come
in
for
building
purpose
likely.
Would
then
I'll
just
quickly
go
through
the
zoning
text?
Amendments
we're
recommending
changes
to
articles
seven
and
eight
that
use
tables
to
permit
outdoor
cafes
recommended
approval
process
also
to
allow
them
on
required
parking
spaces
or
article
12,
The
Outdoor
Cafe.
I
J
We
are
recommending
provision
to
permit
our
parking
spaces
to
be
used
for
outdoor
Cafe
did
we'll
have
one
other
case
study.
This
is
another
example:
restaurant
using
parking
spaces
for
outdoor
dining
plan
view
on
the
left.
They
were
using
five
parking
spaces.
This
is
private
property.
They
did
not
have
a
previous
upper
Cafe,
so
this
was
approved
as
a.
J
J
Zoning
required
parking
spaces
they
would
need
to
apply
for
a
use.
Permit
meet
the
youth
standards.
However,
if
they
were
required
on
parking
spaces
that
were
in
excess
of
the
required
parking,
then
they
could
be
permitted
to
to
do
that.
They
meet
the
zoning
youth
standards,
so
last
slide
schedule
next
steps
we're
doing
a
commission
review.
We
met
with
the
voting
committee
last
month's
Transportation,
Commission
and
so
a
few
weeks
ago
met
with
pedestrian
advisory
committee
last
night.
Here
this
evening,
we've
got
a
number
of
other
meetings
coming
up.
J
J
A
You
thank
you,
Mr
Wallace
we're
going
to
deviate
a
little
bit
from
the
typical
and
I'm
going
to
ask
Mr
Kearns
to
give
us
a
five-minute
presentation
on
a
specific
instance
that
to
add
information
to
our
conversation.
C
K
Just
a
quick
thanks
for
yo
allowing
me
to
attend
tonight
and
speaking
appreciate
all
of
the
thought.
That's
gone
into
this
process
and
all
of
your
time
on
this
flashlight,
okay,
so
I
appreciate
being
here,
I
felt
something
it
was
comments
that
my
specific
use
case
was
valuable
for
you
to
over.
Here
when
I
talked
to
Brett
and
talk
to
County
members,
there
was
very
few
people
that
had
my
circumstances,
look
forward
as
a
community
to
try
to
balance
these
two
things.
I.
Think
it's
important
to
hear
my
family
stories.
K
E
K
K
K
K
This
is
our
scenario
with
the
tosa,
and
so
that's
the
view
from
the
tosa
on
my
two
sons,
bedrooms
and
then
my
bedroom
next
slide.
This
is
a
view
from
our
home
to
the
tosa.
So
I
was
judging
this
room.
I
think
this
is
about
the
distance
from
my
bedroom
to
the
tosa.
So
just
to
give
you
perspective
on
how
far
we
are
from
this.
K
So
next
slide
a
quick
summary
of
our
experience.
So
we
had
we've
had
a
restaurant
next
to
us
for
as
long
as
I've
lived
there,
but
we've
had
none
of
these
problems,
and
so
when
you
bring
outdoor
seating
area
and
just
like
you
don't
bring
anything,
these
clowns
come
into
play,
and
so
we
had
outdoor
music
and
I
chose
not
to
file
a
complaint,
because
for
Brett's
guy
that
you
know
the
framework
making
making
sure
the
restaurants
survived
and
we
all
live
together
as
a
community.
B
K
High
reservation,
we
had
people
yelling
for
Fang
during
sports
events,
and
my
kids
were
outside.
We
had
Mike
trivia
nights
and
let
me
tell
you
that
was
fun.
We
knew
a
lot
of
Answers
by
the
way
that
we
had
dumping
urination
when
there
was
capacity
lots
of
people
there,
people
wouldn't
want
way
for
the
bathroom
they
would
be
on
the
neighbors,
be
on
our
our
property.
Open
containers
off
presents
off
the
premises
and
obviously
capacity
exceeded.
K
Negative
I
think
it's
really
important
to
see.
There's
going
to
be
more
use.
Cases
like
this.
If
we
move
forward
with
permanence
in
some
of
these
areas,
I
think
it's
the
precedent
setting
moment
so
really
want
to
think
about
how
we
can
shift
some
of
our
policies
to
protect
people
in
my
situation
within
the
situation.
So
with
that
I'm
turning
over
to
so
I
I,
don't
have
all
the
information.
I
think
Brett
has
a
lot
more
context
here,
but
what
I
heard
from.
B
K
Had
a
lot
of
dialogue,
so
I
appreciate
that
thank
you
was
he
was
the
the
team
is
planning
to
add
this
to
the
recommendations
which
I
did
see
in
the
presentation,
so
prohibiting
I
didn't
sound
audio
or
visual
Video,
Entertainment
I
think
this
is
huge
during
the
epidemic
as
I
mentioned
this
exists,
it
was
terrible.
K
I
worked
with
the
county,
Brett
Ben
others.
They
brought
the
toasting
compliance.
It's
been
amazing
in
terms
of
the
change
and
I
just
I.
K
Is
going
to
be
a
big
win
for
us
if
we
can
set
these
guidelines
for
the
community
we'll
endorse
that
I
also
have
some
other
recommendations
that
I've
discussed
in
different
ways
with
Brett
and
I
know
he's
managing
a
lot
of
different
use
cases
here
in
ulr2,
so
I
think
another
thing
we
could
do
for
noise
pollution
is
restrict
hours
more
expensively
and
I
know
that
in
your
recommendation,
spread
you've
had
the
very
use
case
you
can
suggest
hours,
but
I
would
ask,
for
you
know
a.
B
K
A.M:
start
8,
PM
finish,
and
during
the
pandemic
the
we
started
piloting
more
recently
started
piling
with
with
the
tosa
reduced
our
schedule,
and
that
also
has
dramatic
impact.
Kids
start
to
go
to
bed
at
eight
I
talked
to
Leo
about
you
know.
After
eight
food
service
starts
to
wind
down,
people
are
drinking.
More
volume
only
goes
up
these
types
of
incidents
where
things
happened
and
happened
so
I
think
when
you're
ordering
a
property,
I
think
there's
something
to
be
said.
K
There
I
also
think-
and
this
isn't
very
well
I'm
getting
outside
of
my
expertise.
We
should
think
about
asking
a
picture.
I,
don't
know
how
in
Arlington
we
set
standards
for
the
total
capacity
of
indoor
and
outdoor
against
the
fixtures
and
restrooms,
but
definitely
during
the
pandemic
it
was
exceeded
and
I
know.
The
general
rule
is
no
more
people
outside
than
inside,
but
when
both
are
in
use
doesn't
matter
any
other
rules
we
put
in
place.
K
If
there
are
more
people
there,
it's
just
going
to
create
problems
for
residents
and
then
the
last
one's,
a
small
thing,
I
wasn't
able
to
work
with
the
tosa
I
think
we
should
put
this
more
into.
B
K
Guidelines
that
exist
now
to
have
some
sort
of
mutually
agreed
upon
lighting.
There
is
still
some
lighting
that
directly
shines
into
our
home
and
I
think
it
could
be
something
that
we
can
put
sure
that
residence
and
restaurants
work
together.
That's.
A
D
Of
dive
in
yeah,
where
you
say
the
Dosa
has
to
be
pressed
wrong.
How
does
that
work
in
the
restaurant,
such
as
like
on
the
corner,
where
it
has
two
sides,
because
a
lot
of
them
do
have
Stadium
on
both
sides
in
Meriden.
D
D
C
Why
don't
this
has
been
the
verbiage
on?
This
is
something
that
we
on
staff
have
continued
to
iterate,
okay,
so.
B
C
Us,
let
us
take
your
feedback
yeah,
so
you're,
just
yeah,
you're
hearing
the
intent
is
here
and
here
and
you
correctly
identify
that
the
intent
is
not
down
the
block
or
across
the
street
somewhere
something
approximate
and
also
not
block
a
a
an
adjacent
business.
Necessarily
let
us
let
us
take
that
back
and
continue
to
play
with
the
language
offer
some
reconsiderations.
D
Against
our
district
again,
you
should
green
pig
that
the
issue
there
on
that
around
the
corner
was
that
is
up
against
an
artist
two
single
family
houses.
But
that's
why
originally
it
wasn't
allowed
to
have
seating
there,
even
though
it's
a
nice
wide
open
space
ordering
on
one
of
the
facades
of
the
restaurant,
but
my
understanding
is
objected
to
having
seating
there
within
the
site
plan
and
it
was
in
the
lab,
maybe
I'm
wrong
with
the
history
of
that,
but
I
thought.
That
was
another.
D
My
objections
when
that
was
originally
in
the
Philistines
and
that's
the
other
thing,
cycling
a
lot
of
them.
You
were
these,
but
on
that
page
fabric
there,
all
three
of
those
are
site
plans
and
I.
Think
that
middle
one,
that's
actually
private
property,
because
building
the
property
line
actually
goes
up
to
where
the
where
the
brick
ends
and
the
white
starts.
You
might
want
to
check
on
that.
D
So
it's
not
actually
public
right
away
unless
that
was
somehow
decent
on
that,
but
there's
always
been
seating
there
and
it's
a
permanent
Benson,
because
it's
it
was
a
site
plane.
It
was
allowed
under
the
site
and
for
the
easements
on
the
large
public
easements.
Some
of
them
I
know
that
we've
seen
on
site
plans
when
you
have
a
big
big
Plaza,
that's
privately
owned.
The
Eastman
is
only
a
stripped
down
Biddle
deliberately
done
to
allow
some
sort
of
seating
on
either
side
or
upward
border
that
the
easement
doesn't
cover
the
entire
open
plasma.
D
It's
only
the
script
down
the
middle,
so
I
guess
one
of
the
things
through
that
too,
and
how
that
works.
Yeah,
because
we
wouldn't
want
sitting
in
that
Eastman
area,
because
the
whole
point
of
that
Eastman
those
people
passed
through,
but
we'll
deliberately
allowed
the
other
area
to
live
in
it.
By
having
the
eating
hearing
some
of
them,
it
could
not
be
couldn't
be
exclusive
to
the
restaurant.
Anybody
could
sit
there
and
eat
yeah
because.
B
D
I
I
won't
be
mentioning
this
because
asking
this
because
I
know
there
are
no
parking
requirements
for
her
outdoor
seating
right.
It's
only
a
requirement
for
indoor
and
I've
been
to
Cowboy
Cafe
and
there's
very
limited
parking
and
so
I'm
wondering
if
we
continue
to
allow
this
in
other
locations
right.
Like
you
mentioned,
there
was
one
where
there's
going
to
there's
going.
There
was
a
net
increase
of
received
with
their
when
they
when
they,
so
they
change
from
28
seats
to
88
seats
right
there
was
an
increase.
This
is
not.
K
J
I
think
we'd
have
to
consider
the
context.
The
review
certainly
be
respectful
of
the
residential
adjacencies.
J
I,
don't
think
we
have
anything
built
into
the
recommended
zoning
text
speaking
to
that
point,
but
something
that
we
always
do
in
terms
of
our
staff
review
is
looking
at
adjacencies
and
trying
to
mitigate
any
negative
impacts
where
we
can
I
think
with
the
case
you're
talking
about
our
condition
as
part
of
that
use.
Permit
that
noted
not
expansion
along
the
that
street
with
the
residential.
So.
J
That
we're
not
recommending
changes
that
they
want
to
get
changes
to
the
use.
Permit
they're
going
to
have
to
go,
get
a
news
permanent
amendment
by
the
county
court,
so
we
have
to
go
back
again.
This
is
like
a
case
by
case
we're
going
to
go
back
and
investigate
look
back
at
the
use,
permit
approvals,
the
intent
and
it's
like
the
conditions
that
were
approved
and
be
respectful
of
those
going
forward.
J
H
Purposes
just
to
make
sure:
oh
no
wait,
I'll,
let
you
go
first
for
sure.
Okay!
Well,
so
I
had
a
similar
question
to
commission
land
telling
me
just
that
little
picture
I
noticed
that
it
was
a
permanent
fence
and
so
I
was
trying
to
understand.
If
that
was
a
public
right-of-way
with
a
we
were
allowing
them
to
set
up
patio
seating,
but
then
they
put
in
a
permanent
fence.
J
Property
we'd
have
to
go
back
and
check
honestly
I
just
grabbed
that
picture
quickly.
Okay,
that's
fine,
but
you
may
be
correct
in
that.
The
property
line
could
be
where
fencing
is
in
the
concrete
sidewalk
begins,
but
we'd
have
to
go
back.
It's
the
same
across
the
street
and
circle,
which
is
a
permanent.
J
H
J
Technically,
yes,
they
could
exclude
people
if
you're,
not
a
patron
of
the
business
I.
Think
if
the
board
adopts
the
encroachment
ordinance
in
the
Outdoor,
Cafe
license
and
they'll
be
paying.
B
H
H
Okay,
another
question:
does
alcohol
factor
into
any
of
this
I?
Imagine
Outdoors
dining
might
be
a
little
more
tenable
to
somebody
if
people
are
sitting
outside
your
ABCDs
versus
you.
B
J
We
need
to
follow
the
Virginia
ABC
regulations,
and
the
upper
cafes
serving
alcohol
would
have
to
have.
A
barrier
doesn't
seem
like
the
example
in
the
middle
around.
It
could
not
be
an
open
at
Bay.
Like
wanting
to
see
more,
as
example,
you
need
to
have
a
barrier
release
of
Seymour's
cancer
and
alcohol.
C
E
H
Best
life,
so
okay
and
then
my
final
clarifying
question
is
just
about
endorsement
capacity
and
in
situations
mentioned
or
since.
I
B
H
J
J
Oh
okay,
I'm,
sorry,
so
the
sidewalk
with
and
we're
recommending
is
the
six
foot
minimum
and
unless
it's
approved
as
a
wider
sidewalk
on
the
site
plan,
in
which
case
applicants
would
need
to
go
back
to
the
County
Board
and
get
a
site
plan
Amendment.
If
they
wanted
to
say,
reduce,
recycle
from
with
from
eight
foot
to
six
foot,
they
would
have
to
get
that
amended.
There's
a
lot
of
the
site
plans
said
conditions
with
different
sidewalk
widths
for
different
frontages.
H
So
I
guess
we
have
a
situation
that
our
civic
association
is
talking
about
right
now,
where
there's
a
bar
that
has
closed
off
the
majority
of
this,
like
there's
just
a
little
in
trying
to
figure
out
what
happened
so
Nick
helped
me
I,
miss
you
very
much.
You
figure
out
the
right
way
for
them
to
to
get
the
sidewalk
reopened
and
I.
Guess
there's
so
you
know
I
guess
what
kind
of
capacity
do
you
have
if
all
of
these
exits
I
saw
them
in
presentation
are
still
existing
like
that
I
would
yeah?
J
J
Reviews
and
inspections
of
outdoor
campaigns
and
then
when
the
Outdoor
Cafe
license,
is
up
for
its
annual,
that's
also
another
checkpoint
to
kind
of
ensure
that
the
cafe
is
still
in
the
same
configuration
and
that
hasn't
you
know,
Cafe
creep.
E
I
C
E
To
be
such
a
walk
away,
fall,
and
so
second
I
wanted
to
sort
of
clarify
scenario.
J
So
these
are
currently
being
determined
at
the
moment
and
we
presented
next
week
when
request
to
advertise
as
options
if
you're
looking
to
meet
with
the
County
Board
office
fees.
There
would
be
these
that
were
adopted
as
part
of
the
budget
cycle
reschedule,
which.
K
J
K
J
E
Okay
and
then
that
would
just
be
a
scenario
the
outdoor
cavities
are
extending
into
Facebook
stand.
They
are
paying
to
occupy,
that's
right.
B
E
B
E
That
can
be
I.
B
E
C
Mr
Steiner
I,
my
understanding
is,
is
that
this
provision,
but
in
lines
149
to
152.
B
C
Was
subject
of
a
of
a
specified
text?
Amendment
allow
us
to
kind
of
go
back
to
and
look
into
that
sum
and
provide
some
of
that
background
for
the
forthcoming
right
staff
report.
I
I
feel
like
this.
This
allowance
for
for
enclosure,
which
has
a
in
the
zoning
ordinance,
has
a
specific
definition,
I
think
there's.
There
is
some
there's
a
specific
story
behind
that.
So
let
us
know,
and.
C
Right
the
I
I'll
take
this
one.
The
idea
is
that
again
sort
of
thinking,
picking
up
a
half
step
back.
The
idea
is
that
the
Outdoor
Cafe
spaces
accessory
to
and
subordinate
to
the
principal
use
the
restaurant
once
we
enclose
the
restaurant
we're
now
talking
about
a
building
Edition,
an
extension.
The
idea
that
this
is
the
idea
is
that
this
is.
C
This
goes
back
in
40
years,
sure
that
that
this
is
something
that's
accessory
to
the
restaurant
now,
if
they,
if
there's
an
if
there's
an
opportunity
for
an
expansion
or
an
addition,
there
are
other
zoning
ordinance
amendments
that
kick
in.
You
can
imagine
that
in
an
outdoor
seating
area
that
can.
K
C
Allowed
in
within
setback
areas
right
now,
we
we
accept
in
certain
exclusionary
instances,
but
we
prohibit
structures
within
setbacks
to
allow
for
that
that
your
Zone
to
occur.
So,
if
we're
enclosing
an
outdoor
Cafe
within
a
setback,
we're
now
arguably
creating
another
solution
or
potential.
E
Potential
yeah,
because
that
is
the
downside
down
my
thoughts
on
that
were,
if
you
could
include
number
sure,
I
used
to
live
in
Florida
I've
been
having
these
problems,
but
you
know,
obviously
it
gets
cold
here.
E
Keep
that
outdoor
space,
okay
and
then
second
I
think
questions.
E
So
that
might
help
I'm,
not
sure,
but
you
know
they
might
talk
about,
sounds
lights,
that
sort
of
thing,
so
it
might
sort
of
close
off
those
are
just
yeah
I.
Think
it's
I
think
my
permit
s
like
that,
given
it,
those
are
just
my
fancy
sense.
A
Thank
you,
I'm
just
gonna
piggyback
on
commissioner
Peterson's
comments
about
the
sidewalk
restrictions
and
go
to
the
question,
perhaps
clarifying
fixed
Furniture
versus
non
a
fixed
furniture
and
I'm,
taking
that
that
includes
anything
practically
like
particularly
guard
rails
and
then
taking
it
a
step
further.
Perhaps
a
fixed
guard
riddles,
particularly
once
would
probably
be
better
from
the
enforcement
aspect
where
those
pylons
wouldn't
accidentally
move
into
the
right
way.
C
Do
we
have
a
position
on
that
or
Brandon?
This
is
an
area
where
the
the
forthcoming
Chapter
70
of
the
county
code
that
encroachment
ordinance
where
the
operator
would
need
to
get
the
license
kind
of
sets
sets
the
table
for
us
the,
and
this
is
something
that
we
can
also
clarify.
I
know
we
have
a
lot
of
homework
to
do
to
add
to.
I
B
C
Additional
information
for
your
understanding,
but
the
the
encroachment
ordinance
by
and
large
prohibits
permanent
fixtures
to
the
sidewalk,
the
public
right
away,
the
public
realm
I
believe
there
are
some
I,
don't
have
the
exact
verbation
you
and
I
have
both
looked
at
it,
that
there
is
some
sort
of
nominal
permission
for
the
restaurant
to
work,
to
fix,
I
believe
that
the
Inc,
the
boundary
the
enclosure
and
then
there
are
also
follow-on
requirements
for
the
restaurateur
to
restore
the
sidewalk
to
fill
in
those
holes.
We
can.
C
D
They
could
screw
it.
You
know,
there's
a
sleep
hole
in
the
side
they
can
screw
it
in,
but
then,
when
time
of
year
ends
has
to
come
out
again
right
and
it's
yeah,
so
that's
been
for
years,
but
I
mean
sort
of
going
back
when
I
was
President,
my
civic
association,
it's
the
biggest
thing
we
had
to
deal
with
with
the
restaurants
in
the
area
was
noise
and
we
always
were
really
closely
with
the
county
and
with
the
applicants
to
say
no
noise.
D
They
could
not
have
any
outdoor
music,
they
wouldn't
have
any
Outdoors
loudspeakers,
and
we
even
went
to
the
point
that
when
they
had
the
type
of
thing
like
the
garage
door
type
things
and
where
it
is
nice,
whether
they
could
open
it
up,
they
had
to
really
cut
back
on
the
music
that
could
be
heard
outside,
because
we
had
restaurants
that
were
either
backed
up
against
houses
or,
of
course,
Street
reports
and
the
apartment.
Building.
People
could
hear
everything
the
noise
would
just
be
echoing
up
and
down.
D
So
the
deal
was
no
no
Amplified
Sound
Outside
period.
It's
just
a
full
prohibition.
All
the
live
music
Academy
indoors
and
any
recorded
music
that
was,
that
was
a
non-negotiation.
We
also
have
for
a
long
time.
A
sort
of
this
mini
Council
was
set
up
between
County
staff,
cdhd
staff,
police
department
and
the
neighborhood
representatives
in
the
restaurant
tours
to
raise.
C
D
We've
raised,
we
raise
sound
issues
and
powers
and
yeah
yeah.
You
know
enforcement
drinking
laws
and
working
all
those
things,
those
quarterly
meetings
and
if
restaurants,
just
weren't
doing
good
for
them
to
say
you
know
it's
been
like
six.
This
is
a
third
meeting.
D
Those
type
of
things
are
good.
You
know
what
they
can
be
done
in
other
areas
too,
but
anyway
the
sound
scientism
issue
is
there's
no
I
didn't
see
anything
here.
We
just
back
to
you
simply
going
by
the
sign
ordinance
and
allowing
like
the
sandwich
signs
on
the
ground,
because
they
they
were
still,
they
still
are
being
used.
That
was
for
Jose
modification.
C
H
I
just
need
to
make
sure
and
Mr
Kern's
case,
because
you
mentioned
that
it
didn't
impact
too
many
people
in
Arlington.
So
this
restaurant
converted
their
parking
spaces
to
outdoor
dining
and
because
they
are
within
a
thousand
feet
of
Metro.
They
are
allowed
to
continue
to
do
that
after
defense
or
once
August
15
comes
around.
Are
they
going
to
have
for
this
parking
to
parking
I.
J
Don't
know
the
legal,
you
know
the
ownership
of
the
parking
if
it's
shared
or
team
businesses
on
their
adjacent
to
the
public,
but
it's
not
about
Metro
yeah.
It's
definitely
not
within
a
thousand
feet
of
the
Metro,
but
they
could
potentially
pursue
the
use.
Permit
modification
of
the
required
parking.
Then
they'd
have
to
meet
our
the
youth
standards
that
are
proposed
here,
which
would
limit
the
size
of
the
space
to
612
square
feet,
which
is
the
equivalent
of
like
four
parking
spaces
using.
C
Parking
spaces
612
is
supported,
right,
I.
Think,
commissioner
Peterson.
There
are
examples
like
this
throughout
the
county,
where
a
temporary
outdoor
seating
area
was
permitted
by
and
and
the
temporary
outdoor
seating
program
is,
is
not
a
construct
of
zoning
ordinance.
It's
a
construct
that
purely.
B
C
B
B
C
Area
permits
the
validity
expires,
okay,.
H
Bistro
residential
homes
that
are
adjacent
to
that
back
patio,
they
will
no
longer
have
to
do.
C
Business,
the
the
temporary
outper
seating
areas
have
said
fire
on
on
August
15th,
but
you.
H
B
C
Would
would
put
mechanisms
in
place
to
safeguard
against
those
types
of
adverse
impact
from
proliferating
in.
A
Had
a
bit
of
a
question
I
think
you
might
have
some
good
information
on
it's
the
Dark
Skies
policy
over
overlay
on
this,
like
one
of
the
things
on
the
Cowboy
Cafe
instance,
you
know
they
have
the
string
of
legs
right.
Okay,.
B
A
B
A
Ought
we
to
make
recommendations
along
those
lines?
Was
this
the
wrong
venue
for
that
sort
of.
A
C
I
think
if,
if
you
and
the
rest
of
your,
your
fellow
colleagues
have
something
that
staff
should
consider,
I
think
we'll
take
that
and
and
work
with
that
internally
and
and
come
up
with
a
response
for
your
your
public
hearing
too
too
clear
to
clarify
sure
sorry,
the
our
zoning
ordinance,
some
zoning
ordinances
in
other
jurisdictions
throughout
the
country
do
have
lighting
stand.
You
know,
lumens
foot
candles
full
cut
off,
get
very,
very
detailed,
very
technical.
C
Technically
we
don't
have
that
in
our
zoning.
So
it's
not
to
say
that
we
can't
or
won't
in
in
some
sometime
in
the
future,
but
if,
if
this
is
something
that
that
you
and
your
colleagues
see
as
something
that
is,
should
be
a
strong
consideration,
we'll
take
that
and
and
discuss
that
internally
and
provide
some
sort
of
feedback.
J
A
It
into
the
make
it
a
reference
and.
A
To
the
fact
that
there's
a
little
bit
of
a
time
crunch
on
this
one,
since
the
rolling
out
of
the
toast
at
the
kogo
issue
on
August
15th,
so
perhaps
this
is
something
that
we
can
flag
for
an
ongoing
conversation
via
guidelines
or
you
know,
keep
looking
at
and
so
yeah
updates,
iterating
and
lighting.
Because
I
think
you
know
that's
has
multiple
impacts,
Beyond,
just
the
neighborhood.
It
has
like
bird
friendly
issues.
It
has
environmental
issues.
A
Brett,
do
we
have
enough
a
seat,
but
do
you
have
enough
feedback
from
us
too
much?
Are
you
back.
C
Well,
I
think
I
think
the
commission
is
understanding
sort
of
the
in
the
intent
and
the
the
the
protectiveness
that
staff
sees
in
our
adopted
policies
for
those
of
the
Pops
that
the
you
know,
Brett's
slide
really
talked
about
how
the
pops
are
really
an
extension
of
our
public
park
system
for
lack
of
a
better
work,
and
so
we'll
want
the
commission
to
really
focus
in
on
those
findings
for
the
County
Board
should
a
use
permit
be
warranted
or
considered.
C
We
feel
that
it's
a
really
a
high
test
that
a
restaurant
tour
should
meet
in
order
to
use
public
space
for
a
private,
a
private
Commercial
Business
to
the
exclusion
of
other
members,
Commissioners
highlighted
I,
think
I,
think
sort
of
another
key
takeaway
by
and
large
you're
seeing
a
set
of
regulations
that
are
more
flexible.
We
have
coordinated
quite
a
bit
throughout
the
course
of
the
past
year.
I
haven't
been
in
those
meetings
before
it
has
been
with
Arlington
Economic
Development.
C
There's
you
know
in
the
retail
plan.
There's
the
privacy
of
outdoor
dining,
the
activation
The
Pedestrian
experience
is
one
of
the
things
that
that
really
our
adopted
policies
call
for
or
half
days
as
something
special
and
important
to
our
sense
of
place
in
Arlington,
and
so
things
things
like
allowing
for
more
permanent
fixtures
on
on
only
the
private
property,
not
within
the
public
right
away,
certainly
not
within
the
tops,
but
on
the
private
property.
C
What
was
another
one
that
was
trying
to
think
of
another
one
that
was
was
perhaps
relaxed
in
some
way
shape
or
form
I'm,
not
thinking
well
just
the
fact
that
an
outdoor
Cafe
would
no
longer
require
a
use
permit
within
the
public
right-of-way.
You
need
that
license
from
the
real
estate
Bureau,
but
getting
rid
of
that
use.
Permit
requirement,
we
feel
is
going
to
be
well
received
by
the
restaurant
community,
but
then,
at
the
same
time
we
have
like
you've
heard
from
Mr
Kearns
tonight.
C
We
are
particularly
sensitive
to
the
experiences
that
residents
have
had
adjacent
to
our
residential
communities.
I
believe
there
was
some
there
and,
if
I'm
just
misremembering,
let
me
know
some
of
the
public
feedback
that
came
in
the
early
phases
of
the
study.
There
was
some
sensitivity
to
outdoor
noise
hours
of
operation,
some
of
the
general
spillover
effects
things
like,
commissioner.
They
talked
about
previously
so
you're,
seeing.
B
C
Advances
and
some
some
further
restrictions,
for
example
the
sound
entertainment
when,
when
the
Outdoor
Cafe
is
located
next
to
in
our
ra
District,
so
there's
there's
a
balance.
It's
complicated.
We've
covered
a
lot
of
ground
tonight
and
so
I
personally
I
appreciate
the
playing
commission
paying
with
us
on
on
what
has
has
been
a
pretty
challenging
spread.
D
Yes
and
instant,
something
would
be
resolved
in
this
particular
ly,
but
oh
during
the
time
of
the
emergency,
and
we
had
less
parking
because
by
East
Coast
did
that
have
any
anybody
noticed.
Any
changes
in
parking
in
the
surrounding
areas
have
the
big
complaints
that
there
was
you.
D
J
Interesting,
that's
nothing
check
with
our
partners
in
DS,
Transportation
I
forget
the
name
of
it.
They
have
a
customer
complaint,
that's
a
unique
name,
keeping
my
mind
at
the
moment,
but
they
did
confirm
that
throughout
the
payments
they
didn't
receive
any
complaints
through
that
portal.
D
Just
strikes
because
so
many
of
our
parking
requirements
have
no
rational
basis,
they're
just
sort
of
pulled
out
of
thin
air.
This
almost
goes
to
proven
concept
that
that's
exactly
where
we
get
our
parking
requirements
from
just
pull
that
in
thin
air,
because
when
we
all
of
a
sudden
took
away
a
whole
bunch
of
parking,
nobody
noticed.
I
That
I
sort
of
brought
up-
that's
like
last
time
during
this
meeting
that
there
was
there
were
also
less
people
driving
through
the
pandemic.
So
yeah.
D
D
B
D
H
C
Yes,
thank
you.
Thank
you.
I
was
turning
to
you
Mr
chair,
because
I
wanted
to
make
sure
we've
had
a
round
table
of
the
items
that
staff
has
has
been
asked
to
kind
of
report
back
on.
I
know
there
was
a
comment
about
the
ABC
standards.
How
that
affects
the
configuration
the
openings
of
so
I've
got
ABC
on
my
list.
A
C
C
A
Might
have
a
little
bit
of
an
ask
on
at
the
next
time
you
bring
this
to
the
Planning
Commission
can
give
us
a
little
bit
of
sort
of
expectation,
Management
on
enforcement
and
or
citizen
complaint
venues,
and
to
you
know
what
we
can
do
to
help
both
of
those
situation
so
that
people
that
are
frustrated
with
something
have
a
place
where
we
can
hear
clearly
and
representatively
what's
going
on
and
also
what
we
can
do
after
that
to
enforce
you
know,
notwithstanding.
C
No
comments,
thank
you
for
thank
you
for
sharing.
C
Have
some
other
members
of
the
public
person?
It
is
at
the
end
of
the
meeting.