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Armagh City, Banbridge and Craigavon Borough Council Environmental Services Committee on Tuesday the Thursday the 8th June 2023 in the Council Chamber at Craigavon Civic and Conference Centre and online using Zoom.
A
B
Environmental
Services
committee
can
I
ask
everyone
to
please
mute
their
microphones
at
all
times,
unless
invited
to
speak
by
myself.
For
those
of
you
who
are
physically
in
the
council
chamber
this
evening.
Can
I
please
remind
you
that
when
speaking
into
your
microphone,
you
need
to
wait
until
you
see
yourself
on
the
screens,
so
the
lay
feed
can
pick
up
your
comments.
If
you
speak
before
your
image
is
projected,
those
listening
on
the
lay
feed
or
via
Zoom
will
not
hear
anything.
B
B
Are
there
any
members
of
apologies
to
give
nope
well
attendance
first
day
of
term
agenda
item
two
is
Declarations
of
Interest
I
know
we
have
quite
a
number
of
new
members.
Perhaps
don't
be
too
scared
by
that?
If
you,
if
you
see
anything
that
you
think
conflicts
with
your
own
personal
interests,
you
can't
make
that
declaration
as
we'll
go
through
the
meeting
and
so
without
any
indication
online
or
in
the
chamber.
We'll
move
on
to
agenda
item
three,
which
is
a
business
plan
report
and
it's
a
decision.
B
C
D
D
B
B
If
there's
nobody
in
the
kitten,
it
is
a
decision
item,
so
it
is
recommended
that
members
approve
the
environmental,
health
and
environmental
services
departmental
business
plan
contained
within
the
appendices.
I
would
need
a
proposal
on
the
secondary,
please
proposed
by
alderman
moutry
seconded
by
country
McClellan.
Thank
you.
Okay,
members
all
agreed
we're
going
to
move
on
to
item
3.2,
which
is
an
item
for
information.
B
My
particular
style
of
doing
juror
for
committees
is
that
if
you've
read
your
papers
and
you've
got
equations
link
to
the
item
for
information,
we
will
ask
for
questions
rather
than
actually
bring
the
report
in
and
in
this
case,
Alderman
Mojo.
You
had
previously
indicated
that
you
had
a
question
related
to
this.
So
members,
if
you
have
any
other
questions,
you
can
indicate
with
your
life
rather
than
going
through
the
report.
Alderman
mudry.
Do
you
want
to
come
in
and
ask
your
question
now
Linda.
D
Thank
you
chair.
Well,
it
was
just
as
before
you
know.
What's
concerning
that,
the
Environmental
Services
targets
are
just
you
know.
35.7
green
on
the
vast
majority
are
either
Amber
or
Adam.
What
are
we
intending
to
do
to
try
and
improve
this?
As
we
move
forward
and
I
know,
it's
a
broad
based
I
had
department
and
there's
a
lot
of
different
things,
but
really
we
need
to
see
an
improvement
there.
C
Thank
you
chairman.
If
I
could
just
come
back
to
the
alderman
mudrey's
question
and
he's
quite
right
in
relation
to
the
armors
and
a
number
of
the
Reds
in
terms
of
only
able
to
progress
to
the
Target
that
was
identified
within
the
original
business
plan.
So
the
the
process
that
we
are
adopting
now
and
religious
to
this
is
that
we're
developing
action
plans
associated
with
these
remaining
actions.
They
will
be
carried
forward
in
relation
to
our
action
plan
for
20
23
24
within
the
department
itself.
C
We
will
be
updating
members
over
the
summer
months
with
the
view
to
a
more
detailed
report
in
relation
to
progress,
action
plans
and
outcomes
associated
with
that
particular
piece
of
work
to
which
a
number
of
these
items
within
the
action
plan
currently
related
to,
but
certainly
no,
they
say,
has
noticed
from
a
Senior
Management
point
of
view,
and
we
will
be
proactively
ensuring
that
these
actions
are
closed
out
in
a
timely
way.
I
think
foreign.
E
E
The
particular
I
suppose
concern
is
that
we're
still
sitting
there
looking
you
know
the
Dreadful
figures
when
it
comes
to
the
transformation
and
harmonization.
I
have
to
be
honest,
you
know,
and
I
have
deep
I
have
a
real
concern
about
this
department
and
I
have
a
real
concern
for
our
staff
in
that
department,
and
another
concern
I
have
is
honestly.
E
I
would
hardly
in
some
instances
know
who's
who,
in
these
departments,
when
we
are
going
looking
for
some
assistance
or
when
I
particularly
have
staff
coming
to
me.
Looking
for
assistance,
you
know
so
I
think.
Actually
it
would
be.
It
would
be
useful
to
know
who
you
actually
is
is
in
charge
down
in
some
of
these
places.
I
don't
want
to
be
bothering
you
all
the
time
Mr
Hayes,
which
I
do
on
a
regular
basis.
E
As
you
know,
I
am,
and
I
want
to
put
on
record
I
am
slightly
concerned
about
some
of
our
staff
on
the
morale
within
those
departments
and
if
we
can
get
this
tackled
up,
might
that
might
help,
because
this
this
is,
we
know
from
what
happened
last
year.
What
happens
when
this
department
is
not
in
a
good
place
and
I
see?
C
Thank
you
Chara
and
again,
thank
you,
Council
Flory,
again
absolutely
concerns
and
noted
there
is,
for
you
know
there
is
good
progress
in
terms
of
Engagement
with
staff
at
the
Depot,
so
management
or
proactively,
engaging
with
with
staff
on
site
comments
are
noted
in
relation
to
progress
associated
with
the
transmission
program
of
work,
and
certainly
we
will
update
members
over
the
summer
months
in
relation
to
that,
but
be
certainly
be
rest
assured.
Management
is
proactively
engaging
with
staff
across
the
DAP.
C
F
It's
a
is
essentially
red
and
quarter
one
red
and
Quarter
Two
unborn
quarter,
three
and
then
another
red
and
quarter.
Four
is
supposed
to
help
me
understand
how
that
has
been
arrived
at.
You
know,
because,
after
all,
it
is
an
action
plan
that
was
agreed
in
21
to
22
and
so
on.
So
essentially
what
improved
in
quarter
three,
you
know
it's
just
helped
our
around
how
those
are
all
arrived
at
thanks,
sir.
It's
awesome.
C
Thank
you,
Consular
plan,
just
in
relation
to
your
query,
I
suppose
during
that
quarter
three
period
we
were
progressing
as
planned
and
there
was
a
period
of
industrial
action
during
quarter
three
which
had
an
impact
then
in
terms
of
progression
and
relation
to
quarter
four.
But
that
is
something
that
we
have
realigned
now
in
relation
to
her
new
targets
associated
with
the
delivery
of
the
program
of
work.
Sure.
B
G
First
thing:
okay,
lovely
Johnny,
sleep,
hey!
Thank
you
thank
you,
chair
and
thanks
to
Jonathan
and
team.
Once
again,
it's
mer
and
what
other
colleagues
have
said,
especially
in
relation
to
the
transformation
plan,
and
it
mentions
in
relation
to
improve
the
performance
and
consistency
of
services
across
the
borough.
That's
the
problem.
There
is
no
consistency
and
there's
too
many
Reds
too
many
oranges
and
not
enough
greens
here
in
relation
to
this-
and
you
know,
we've
had
working
groups
after
working
groups
in
in
relation
to
a
the
whole
transformation
and
they've
come
and
gone.
G
Today
you
know
one
of
the
men's
off
on
holiday
and
then
that
particular
Town
doesn't
get
a
little
bit
that
week,
because
one
man
is
off
out
of
a
large
organization,
there's
something
seriously
wrong
with
management.
That
I
think
we
need
to
get
a
grasp
of,
because
a
it's
something
that's
happening
too
often
on
with
the
greatest
respects.
The
way
it's
going.
G
You
would
like
to
think
that,
when
things
like
this
happen,
there
are
people
there
to
manage
someone
particular
fill
in
that
post
for
the
next
week
or
the
next
two
weeks,
instead
of
us
as
counselors
trying
to
manage
it,
which
is
not
our
job.
So
I
would
like
to
sort
of
know
how
we're
going
to
get
on
top
of
this.
We're
being
told
constantly
we're
going
there.
This
guy
that
has
been
brought
in
without
naming
him
is
going
to
do
wonderful
things.
G
Is
he
going
to
do
wonderful
things
and
are
we
going
to
see
changes
pretty
soon,
because
I'm,
sick,
looking
at
litter
and
and
weeds,
grow
on
on
our
town,
centers
and
nothing
happened,
and
it's
a
red
pair
that's
losing
out
because
they
are
paying
their
rates
and
they're
not
seeing
the
delivery
of
service,
but
there
still
seems
to
be
the
same
number
of
staff.
So,
what's
going
on,
that's
I
just
want
to
ask
God
basic
question:
okay,.
C
Thank
you,
Alderman,
Barry
and,
as
I
said,
I
suppose
in
terms
of
the
work
plan
that
we
have
in
progress.
We
do
want
to
sit
back
down
with
members
of
the
working
group
again
over
some
months
and
go
through
the
detailed
program
prior
to
the
estimate
Staffing
process
in
September
to
go
through
some
of
these
issues
that
members
have
identified
tonight,
but
also
equally
they're
they're
in
the
the
business
plan
tonight.
So
again,
I
will
read
the
fact
that
we
will
supply
with
members
and
go
through
this
with
members
in
some
detail.
B
Thank
you,
Jonathan
and
I.
Think
most
members
would
agree
with
the
comments
made
in
terms
of
frustration
around
cleanliness,
and
you
know
certainly
in
respect
to
new
members
who
have
been
talking
about
these
issues
over
a
long
number
of
times
a
long
number
of
months
and
years.
But
what
we
do
have
is
a
very
good
idea
of
our
Baseline,
and
these
reports
give
us
an
idea
where
we're
at
and
the
system
of
green
Amber
and
red
it
does
allow
us
to
see
where
we're
at
on.
B
H
In
yeah,
thank
you,
chair
and
wish
you
well
and
your
year
and
your
a
deputy
would
say
to
there,
but
it's
just
on
the
same
villagers
and
yourself
there
is
certainly
we
do
want
to
see
these
reports
feed
bothering
different.
That's
what
we
all
wanted
for
a
long
time.
We
want
to
see
them
improve
and
quickly,
but
I.
Think
in
any
organization.
We've
all
agreed
the
the
strategy
you're
going
forward.
H
I
think
we
have
to
keep
with
it
and
keep
the
support
to
your
officers
and
their
members
of
Staff
moving
forward
that
you
know
at
management
as
well,
because
it
is
frustrating
for
us
all
whenever
we
don't
sit
right,
but
maybe
we
don't
always
understand
what
all
is
going
on
and
when
we're
in
the
middle
of
a
lot
of
change.
I
think
we
just
need
to
be
mindful
of
that.
H
But
who's
against
backwards
have
medications,
keeping
communication
between
members-
and
you
know
the
the
top
table
there
and
yourself
John
that
we
know
whenever
there's
issues
so
we're
not
all
individually
contacting
you
all
the
time
but
I.
You
know
what
we
want
you
to
keep
pushing
ahead
with
the
astrology.
We're
on,
and
hopefully
we
will
see,
improvements
through
and
but
certain
is
important
that
we
do
keep
getting
these
reports
as
opposed
to
not
seeing
where
we're
at
whether
it's
goodbye
or
different.
B
I
They've
named
members
like
a
chair,
so
the
paper
that
has
been
outlined
this
evening
follows
on
from
a
report
in
March
in
relation
to
new
powers
available
to
council
under
the
Western
contaminated
land
legislation.
The
report
in
March
outlined
the
changes
introduced
since
January
and
Saturday.
The
council
now
has
new
discretionary
powers
and
a
joint
responsibility
with
the
Northern
Ireland
Environment
Agency
for
certain
matters,
including
the
offense
of
fly
tipping.
I
Members
will
be
aware
that,
when
effects
penalty
notice
is
served,
the
payment
of
which
discharges
the
liability
for
prosecution
and
the
penalty
of
Mind
must
be
fixed
by
the
council.
According
to
the
legislation
out
between
100
and
400
pounds
relevant
to
note
and
for
members
consideration
this
evening,
is
that
the
offensive
flight
have
been
is
very
different
to
the
offensive
littering.
It
involves
an
accumulated
quantity
of
waste.
I
I
Thank
you,
counselor
died,
so
there's
a
range
of
options
that
that
we
use
and
a
lot
of
this
starts
with
with
education
and
then
obviously
there
is
the
enforcement
aspect
to
it
as
well.
What
we
really
rely
on
is
intelligence
and
really
good
intelligence
and
when
we're
getting
that
good
intelligence,
there's
a
team
of
officers
we'll
go
out
and
we'll
try
to
ascertain
the
offender
details
and
then
follow
through
on
that.
I
But
I
would
just
say
that
the
key
thing
is
good
intelligence
in
these
matters
and
then,
if
we
get
information
or
complaints,
if
patrols
carried
out
by
wardens
to
try
and
ascertain
the
offenders,
but
unfortunately
we
often
don't
get
that
information
and
they
are
in
areas
where
we
can't
patrol
all
the
time.
But
good
intelligence
is
key.
K
J
J
They're
being
reported
constantly
there's
one
area
in
particular
constantly
everybody
gets
being
reported,
but
I'm
gonna.
Thank
the
council
for
picking
up
the
stuff
that
was
left
but
nothing's
being
done.
There's
no
prosecutions
is,
is
there
a
list
or
can
we
find
out
how
many
people
has
actually
been
prosecuted
or
a
flight
happen.
I
B
Elizabeth
and
you're
happy
enough
Council
today
to
pick
this
up
yet
I
think
it
may
be
useful
that,
especially
for
new
new
members
in
terms
of
reporting
that
there's
even
a
bit
of
a
circular
or
an
email
given
out
to
remaining
people
out
of
you
know
if
you're
approached
about
flight
happen.
This
is
the
correct
number
to
the
call,
because
it
obviously
has
a
big
issue
in
summaries
in
particular,
and
current
sir
Evans.
M
M
It
has
been
our
experience
through
environmental
health
and
through
Street
cleansing
that,
where
you're
seeing
those
items
you
know
perhaps
in
highly
densely
populated
areas
and
our
times,
a
lot
of
that
is
coming,
not
necessarily
from
the
fact
that
people
couldn't
access
a
bulky,
lift
it's
the
fact
that
perhaps
you
get
high
turnover
of
talented
properties
and
landlord
and
tenants,
and
so
they
don't
even
wait
to
log
the
bulky
left.
They
just.
M
They
turn
over
the
property
so
quickly
and
they
put
out
the
mattress
and
they
set
out
the
bed
and
they
set
out
all
of
that
and
that
ties
back
into
kinds
of
diets
issue
where
we
then
do
Patrol,
and
we
do
have
some
plans
in
place
for
those
type
of
properties,
and
we
do
run
some
programs
there
with
through
the
environmental
wardens
through
the
recycling
inspectors
and
through
across
a
number
of
the
different
departments.
So
absolutely
we
can
find
out
some
information
about
the
bulk
and
Supply
that
to
you.
B
A
A
Thank
you,
chair
and
good
evening.
Members
I
just
have
a
question
for
officials
around
what
evidence
they
may
have,
that
an
increase
in
price
or
a
maximum
price
would
alter
behavior
for
fly
tipping.
Do
you
think
that
it
acts
as
a
deterrent
and
have
they
any
benchmarks
or
evidence
on
that?
Thank
you.
A
I
Thank
you,
councilor,
and
my
response
to
that
is
really
because
of
the
nature
of
flight
happened
as
I
outlined
in
the
report,
and
that
it
is
our
premeditated
type
of
behavior
and
certainly
flight.
Heaven
isn't
something
that
sticks
to
kinds
of
boundaries
and
having
consulted
with
regional
colleagues,
there
is
the
approach
of
recommending
the
the
maximum.
Obviously,
this
is
down
to
counselor's
discretion
and
I'm
happy,
certainly
to
to
look
at
the
different
options.
The
officer
recommendation
is
400
pounds
and
but
it's
very
much
members
decision
on
this.
A
A
N
Hey
thank
you,
chair,
I'll,
just
I'm,
to
clear
up,
on
my
own
mind,
anime.
He
dumps
items
and
fails
in
private
land
as
a
stolen
or
narrow
environments,
environment
agency
go
to
because
and
and
where
I
live
and
we're
like
counselor
McClellan.
Those
the
problem
is
people
dump
on
items
over
Hedges
into
people's
Fields.
It's
not
on
the
streets,
it's
it's
mainly
on
private
land
phase.
So
that
is
the
advice.
Still
they
go
to
naea
for
those
private
landowners.
I
The
new
legislation
Alderman
Rankin,
came
in
at
the
beginning
of
the
year
and
we're
still
working
through
some
of
the
pars
within
that,
and
certainly
we're
working
on
that
regionally.
So
we
have
a
joined
up
approach
originally
on
it,
so
with
the
intention
to
bring
back
further
papers
towards
the
end
of
the
year.
On
that
wider
scope
of
pars
that
have
been
introduced
to
this
legislation,
it
did
on
the
on
the
paper
that
we
took
back
in
March.
I
It
took
us
quite
by
surprise
when
the
the
protocol
that
was
agreed
with
Nia
was
suddenly
brought
into
legislation
and
kind
of
were
given
those
Powers,
so
I,
say
I
hope
to
bring
something
back
towards
a
lot
of
part
of
the
summer.
On
the
on
the
wider
aspect
of
lightapping
and
the
role
of
Nia
on
the
role
of
council.
O
B
P
Thank
you
chair
and
can
I
just
wish
you
and
your
Deputy
a
good
year
at
the
top
table
and
all
the
best
Elizabeth.
You
are
probably
on
the
fire
line
and
we've
been
here
tonight,
but
Alderman
Rankin
asked
the
question:
probably
that
I
was
going
to
start
with
and
just
about
the
legislation
and
so
on,
because
members
here
and
some
of
the
new
members
and
others
that
have
been
here
for
a
while
will
know
we
Face
many
problems
in
relation
to
flight
happened.
Some
of
it's.
P
The
200
tires
dumped
Over,
the
Hedge
somewhere
in
no
man's
land,
and
then
my
particular
issue
for
most
of
my
week
is.
Is
flight
happened
in
the
Anna
area
which
which
you
know
have
been
going
on
about
for
a
long
time,
and
we
know
we
know
the
issues,
it's
just
how
to
try
and
resolve
them
and
things
which
country
would
Aid.
Maybe
it's
the
same
issue
across
in
Lurgan
and
and
ultraline.
You've
alluded
to
a
turnover
of
rental
accommodation
and
so
on.
P
P
You
know
and
I
don't
mean
that
as
a
criticism,
but
it's
just
sometimes
it
feels
a
wee
bit
hard
on
by
first
some
of
my
constituents,
but
I
suppose
we
have
to
keep
working
at
it.
I
am
very
happy
to
propose
the
maximum
thing,
because
if
someone
is
dumpling
to
the
extent
that
this
legislation
covers
then
400
pounds
barely
even
scratches
the
surface,
so
I
am
happy
to
propose
it.
One
thing
I
want
to
say
a
church,
maybe
just
to
digress
slightly
if
you'll.
P
Allow
me
I
noticed
that
Causeway
coast
and
lands
have
introduced
a
tire
amnesty
scheme,
along
with
the
naea
of
lead
on
it
along
the
Ulster
Farmers
Union
and
the
council
and
farmers
are
allowed
to
dispose
of
50
tires
at
an
amenity
site,
selected
immunity
sites
for
I.
Think
it's
two
and
a
half
months
and
I
was
wondering.
Is
that
something
I
mean
we're
thinking
about
bonfire
season
and
all-
and
you
know
even
tires
away
from
bonfires
and
stuff
like
that.
There's
very
much
a
priority
for
us
and
I
was
just
wondering.
P
Is
that
something
that
we
could
perhaps
look
at?
Certainly
as
again
the
wee
bit
of
publicity
in
the
last
week
or
10
days
and
I
know
Tire
dumpling,
particularly
in
The
Birches
area,
as
one
of
the
major
problems
that
we
face
and
have
faced
as
a
council?
So
you
know
so
perhaps
that
might
be
a
way
of
reducing
some
some
of
the
tire
dumpling.
P
It
may
not
I,
don't
know,
but
it
seems
a
very
sensible
proposal
that
has
been
brought
through
by
Annie
and
supported
by
the
ufu
and
Council
up
on
the
North
Coast.
So
perhaps
that
could
be
put
forward,
maybe
a
suggestion,
maybe
something
the
officers
could
look
at
and
happy
to
propose
chair
the
recommendation.
B
Thank
you,
Council
Michael
Roth,
and
thank
you
for
the
proposal
would
remain
members
that
that
is
the
actual
item
that
we're
talking
about
here
tonight.
That
is
a
serious
frustration
for
all
of
us
in
terms
of
flight
happen.
I
think
we're
all
agreed
that
the
maximum
pain
for
somebody
who
is
caught
is
appropriate.
Well,
I
would
I
would
hope.
So
so
we
do
need
someone
else
to
Second
this,
but
console
King.
You've
indicated
you
wish
this
big
as
well,
and
then
we'll
draw
that
close.
Q
Yes,
I
I'm
only
knew
this
for
today.
Yes,
thank
you,
chair
Elizabeth,
just
one
question:
if,
if
somebody
fly
tips
say
a
space
is
going
to
cost
about
two
to
three
thousand
pounds
who
you
legally
get
rid
of,
are
they
only
receiving
a
400
pound
fine
or
they
won't
be
charged
with
the
with
the
getting
rid
of
their
spouses
as
well?
I
Thanks
counselor,
okay
and
the
paper
outlined
that
there
is
that
option,
rather
than
just
serving
the
fictional
leaf
or
something
like
that,
and
with
the
risk
involved.
The
kinds
of
that
have
the
option
to
take
that
before
a
magistrates
court,
and
at
that
stage
it
would
be
hoped
that
there
would
be
more
significant
penalty
imposed
by
an
artistry
for
something
like
that.
The
magistrate
mayor
then
impose
the
additional
costs
that
are
incurred
by
Council.
As
part
of
that
cleanup.
B
Yeah,
thank
you,
the
old
Hans,
who
won
their
skills
tonight
already
what's
needed.
Okay,
thank
you,
members
to
all
a
great
proposed
and
seconded
yep,
okay
members.
We
are
going
to
move
on
to
item
4.2,
which
is
a
service
level
agreement
with
Department
of
Justice
on
District
councils.
It's
fairly
straightforward,
Elizabeth!
Think
about
yourself
again,
isn't
it.
I
Thank
you,
chair
members
of
service
level.
Agreement
currently
exists
between
the
Department
of
Justice
and
the
council.
It
sets
out
arrangement
for
Council
officers
who
are
then
warranted
by
the
department.
These
officers
carry
out
inspections
of
premises,
storing
items
such
as
fireworks
or
airbag
components,
and,
and
they
also
set
conditions
and
fireworks
displays
under
the
legislation
as
outlined
in
the
paper.
The
service
level
agreement
is
an
ongoing
Arrangement.
It's
an
existing
Arrangement
and
the
current
demanded
version
just
really
updates
the
existing
reentions
that
we
have
that
were
dated
back
in
2016..
I
It
is
really
to
update
and
to
reflect
the
costs
that
are
available
to
council.
All
the
details
in
the
existing
SLA
remain
unchanged,
and
it
is
to
note
that
the
work
is
carried
out
on
a
cost
recovery
basis.
The
recommendation
to
members
tonight
is
that
they
approve
the
signing
of
their
mandate
service
level
agreement
between
the
Department
of
Justice
and
Council.
Thank
you.
B
Elizabeth,
it
is
a
fairly
straightforward
recommendation
in
front
of
your
members.
Can
I
have
a
proposing
second
or
if
there
are
no
questions
proposed
by
councilor
Michael
Roth.
Thank
you,
members.
Okay
item
4.3
is
an
information
Adam
on
dog
calling
to
unless
anybody
under
kids
to
ask
questions
or
speak.
We
shall
move
on.
Okay,
okay,
members,
agenda
item,
five
Environmental
Services
report,
and
we
have
one
decision
item
on
the
provision
of
memorials.
M
This
came
up
with
the
April
meeting
and
officers
were
asked
to
pull
together
some
overview
on
memorials
within
the
borough
to
those
who
died
during
the
covid-19
pandemic.
I
understand
that
members
were
contacted
by
an
organization
called
memory,
stones
of
love
and
set
up
by
bereaved
families,
and
they
had
made
a
request
that
Council
would
Place
benches
and
trees
and
various
public
parks
commemorating
those
who
died
and
members.
M
You
will
recall
that
actually,
the
council
itself
in
December
2021
had
passed
a
proposal
to
plant
a
tree
in
memory
of
each
of
the
362
victims
at
the
time,
and
these
were
be
planted
along
the
toll
path.
There's
an
update
there,
members
on
the
planting
of
those
Trace.
So
when
taking
these
two
items
together,
members
we've
brought
this
report
to
you.
M
B
E
Thank
you,
chair,
I'm,
more
than
happy
to
Second
this
chair
just
to
be
clear
and
have
that
on
the
record
for
you,
but
can
I
just
make
one
remark:
can
you
be
a
bit
more
specific
about
timelines
you'll.
Forgive
me
for
being
a
bit
cynical
when
it
comes
to
timelines
for
the
lack
of
these
things
being
done
and
given
I'm
still
waiting
on
a
proposal
from
a
number
of
years
ago.
B
R
Thank
you
thank
you,
chair
and
it's
just
on
item
5.2
on
the
update
on
provision
of
water
refill
points,
I
appreciate
that
we
have
made
those
efforts
and
to
promote
the
outside
Taps
and
money,
reusable
water
bottles
and
but
we'd
officers.
Look
in
the
possible
pilot
scheme
of
this
I
know
the
course
we're
outlined,
but
I
think
it's
not
something
we
can
push
off
the
table
yet
and
if
that
needs
to
be
official
proposal,
I'm
happy
to
do
that.
Thank
you.
C
B
F
Yeah
sure,
thanks
for
letting
me
in
and
yeah
it's
just
on
on
item
5.3,
the
Woodland
trusts
emergency
tree
formed
and
I.
Guess
it's
just
a
fairly
brief
comment.
It's
just
to
Amanda,
Annie
and
all
work
around
this.
Certainly
at
it
is
very
necessary.
It
is
a
good
news
story.
I'm
just
I
would
wish
it
all
the
very
best,
as
the
proposal
is
worked
up
thanks
chair
thank.
B
E
Yes
sure,
thank
you
very
much
and
I
feel
just
allow
me.
Jonathan
I
just
want
to
roll
away,
but
roll
back
away,
tiny
bit
on
this
issue
of
the
water
refill
points.
Was
that
not
originally
a
proposal
or
was
it?
Maybe
somebody
can
correct
me
here.
Was
it
not
a
notice
of
motion
or
a
proposal
by
Thomas
O'hanlon
that
brought
this
originally
to
this
chamber
quite
some
time
ago?
E
I
do
recall
him.
I
do
I,
haven't
just
got
it
right
in
front
of
me
here
at
the
minute,
because
I've
only
got
one
device.
I'm
gonna
go
at
the
minute,
but
this
worries
me
that
these
things
get
get
passed
through
committees
which
this
was
passed
through
committee
that
these
refills
site
definitely
was.
Somebody
do
a
Google
earthquake
that
this
was
passed
through
at
this
committee
quite
some
time
ago
with
the,
and
this
is
not
the
first
time
these
things
happen.
E
This
was
passed
and
the
understanding
was
that
it
would
be
rolled
out,
and
now
we
come
to
this
stage
where
we've
sort
of
been
told.
Sorry,
no
candy,
now
I
I
want
this.
I
really
would
like
this.
Let's
just
looked
out
again
and
because
I
know
exactly
what,
where
these
tops,
are
you
see
them
in
places,
people
don't
even
know,
I,
don't
think
where
they
could
get
a
bottle
unless
they
bring
one
themselves,
I,
don't
really
I.
E
Don't
really
think
it's
been
publicized
that
well
and
has
been
raised
by
a
colleague
in
the
yesterday
and
or
what
council,
I'm
sorry
and
sdlp
most
certainly
has
raised
this,
so
I
really
do
want.
This
looked
at
again,
never
mind
new
proposals
or
new
pilots
or
whatever
this
was
already
a
decision
of
counsel.
At
some
point,.
M
I
think
the
the
issue
around
this
is
where
officers
have
designed
and
installed
signage
around
the
facilities.
In
order
to
promote
what's
available
there
and
I
know
that
members
may
not
see
that
in
line
with
what
it
was
they
had,
thought
would
happen
and
what
they
had
hoped
would
happen.
But
officers
have
tried
to
design
signage
in
order
to
promote
where
water
is
available
at
our
facilities
without
putting
in
a
particular
unit
and
the
issues.
As
you
see
there,
really
around
human
tends.
The
unit.
M
Where
are
they
cited
on
the
course
and
the
cost
of
any
potential
damage,
and
it
really
is
become
prohibitive
within
our
current
budgets,
but
certainly
as
Jonathan
has
indicated,
these
are
things
that,
if
members
want
to
bring
forward,
we
can
bring
forward.
They
can
be
brought
forward
into
the
estimates
process
which
will
begin
and
later
on
in
the
year,
but
for
now
members.
M
B
Johnson
around
wrote
in
the
site
and
how
important
it
was
and
all
the
rest
I
think.
Obviously
a
key
component
is
the
Carson,
so
I
would
think
this
isn't
the
lane
through
the
issue,
but
if
officers
are
as
indicated,
gonna
look
at
potential
fondant
external
funding,
it
would
certainly
help
make
the
decision
a
little
bit
easier
in
the
chamber.
B
Okay,
members,
there's
no
no
more
likes,
indicated
to
speak
on
this
matter,
so
we're
now
going
to
move
into
confidential
business,
so
bear
with
me
where
they
read
this
out
members
and
online
viewers
in
accordance
with
scheduled
sex
of
the
Local
Government
Act.
We
will
now
be
moving
into
a
confidential
session
of
this
Council.
This
means
that
we'll
be
turning
off
the
public
feed
of
the
meeting.
This
will
be
returned
when
the
meeting
has
restarted.
Can
I
ask
the
ICT
officers
to
please
turn
off
the
feed
and
confirm.