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From YouTube: Full Council Meeting on Monday 24th July 2023 at 6.30pm.
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Armagh City, Banbridge and Craigavon Borough Council Full Council Meeting on Monday 24th July 2023 at 6.30pm. This is a hybrid meeting with Members and staff attending in the chamber and remotely using Zoom
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A
A
B
B
Members,
I'm
being
asked
to
remind
you
all
to
put
your
cards
in
please
otherwise,
you're
not
reported
as
being
here
tonight
all
right
members
I
know
that
you've
all
received
a
copy
of
opening
announcements,
but
there
is
one
particular
that
I
would
like
to
draw
to
your
attention
tonight
and
that's
the
death
of
the
former
sdlp
counselor
from
the
Legacy
Craig
avonborough
Council
Peter
Bunting,
and
he
served
in
this
Council
from
May
1985
to
May
1989,
and
some
of
you
may
or
may
not
know.
B
That
Peter
is
was
also
the
father
of
our
duty
officer,
Peter
bunting,
who
we
all
really
respect,
and
we
just
want
to
pass
on
our
sincere
condolences
here
to
the
members
of
his
Family
Circle
at
this
very
sad
time.
Thank
you.
B
Members
I
just
want
I
I,
don't
normally
and
I'm
not
going
to
normally
make
this
a
habit
of
telling
you
everything
that
I
have
been
involved
and
doing
I'm,
otherwise
we'll
be
here
for
to
nine
o'clock
tonight.
But
I
just
thought
that
tonight,
especially
that,
on
your
behalf,
I,
want
to
congratulate
and
thank
our
staff
and
since
becoming
Lord
mayor
I
have
had
the
privilege
and
honor
of
accepting
numerous
Awards
on
behalf
of
the
council
and
today,
along
with
a
number
of
our
staff,
I
was
in
Yuri
accepting
the
green
flag
Awards.
Now.
B
What
is
that?
Those
flag?
Awards
recognize
excellence
in
the
management
of
public
space,
and
we
were
actually
awarded
here
today,
five
of
those
flags,
but
we
have
also
won
and
I,
don't
want
to
just
single
like
that
and
I
should
have,
but
we've
also
won
awards
in
tourism,
healthy
eating,
getting
active
initiatives,
and
so
much
more
and
on
your
behalf
as
I
say:
I
just
want
to
recognize
the
teams
involved
by
congratulating
them
and
saying
thank
you
and
we
appreciate
all
the
way
work
they
have
done
and
everything
that
they
have
achieved.
B
I,
don't
see
any
lights
on
so
I'm
just
going
to
move
on
and
then
sorry,
okay,
ICT
with
no
screens.
B
Yeah
they'll
they'll
work
that
out
for
us,
while
we
move
on,
could
I
have
a
proposer
and
a
second
or
for
the
minutes
of
the
council
meeting
held
on
the
26th
of
June
to
2023,
please
a
proposer
on
a
second
or
please
members,
the
silencer,
Staffing
councilor
Savage.
Thank
you
and
alderman
moutry.
Thank
you.
C
Yeah
I
really
appreciate
you
letting
me
in
on
the
item.
I'm
racing
is
c191-2023
and
giving
up
the
minute
says
that
to
to
him
that
the
chief
executive
will
ensure
that
a
meeting
would
be
arranged
as
soon
as
possible.
My
question
to
the
chief
executive
is
to
ask
for
an
update
as
to
where
we
are
in
arranging
this
important
meeting.
B
D
Thank
you,
Lord,
mayor
and
good
evening,
members
at
just
to
say
to
councilman
that
officers
have
been
in
touch
with
dafa
and
we're
currently
trying
to
identify
a
date
for
that
meeting.
I
know
it's
an
important
one
for
a
council.
It's
been
raised
a
number
of
times,
so
we're
we're
working
to
try
and
identify
the
update.
C
Yes,
Robert
and
thank
you
for
in
the
old
Jimmy,
in
terms
of
letting
me
back
in
on
and
I
welcome
the
response
from
Roger
I
I,
certainly
hope
and
trust
that
officers
are
doing
everything
that
can
be
done
to
to
arrange
this
meeting,
because,
in
the
meantime,
institutions
and
right
across
arbora,
including
in
my
own
Lagan
River
DEA,
have
to
travel
on
substandard
roads
day
after
day
learner.
It's
just
not
good
enough,
and
it's
just
not
for
her,
so
we
need
this
meeting
as
soon
as
possible.
Thank
you.
B
It
was
certainly
a
point
where
I
made
and
Roger
will
be
following
that
up
again:
counselor
McClelland
alderman
moutry.
E
Thank
you,
Lord
mayor
I,
wanted
to
raise
the
CM
point,
but
councilor
McClellan
beat
me
to
it
so
I'm
content
to
leave
it,
but
can
I
just
make
a
clarification,
relation
c188
the
evening
prayer
service
in
Lurgan
park
it
was
I
actually
who
made
the
proposal,
not
counselor
Baxter.
Thank
you.
B
Okay,
thank
you
for
that.
Alderman
motri
members
content
to
move
on.
F
B
Agenda
item
2.2
then
so,
if
I
could
have
a
proposer
and
a
second
or
of
the
minutes
of
the
special
counsel
meeting
held
on
Wednesday,
the
19th
of
July
passed
and
can
I
also
thank
our
staff
for
getting
the
minutes
put
together
very
very
quickly.
Thank
you
for
that.
Alderman
Burns
has
agreed
to
propose.
Do
we
have
a
seconder
Alderman
Kennedy?
Thank
you.
B
Members.
Agenda.
Item
number
three
Declarations
of
interest.
If
we're
content
to
do
that
as
normal
as
we
go
along
okay
item
4.1,
the
minutes
of
the
planning
and
committee
Services
could
I
have
ask
Alderman
Barr.
Were
you
there
at
the
meeting
correct?
Yes,
thank
you
and
seconded
then
by
Alderman
Kennedy.
Thank
you.
B
Membership,
nothing
rising
from
that.
No
we're
content
agenda.
Item
number
five
Chief
Executives
report,
then
so
we
have
a
number
of
items
for
decision
item
5.1.
We
have
consultation
of
extending
the
provisions
within
schedule.
27
of
the
coronavirus
act,
2020
Anne
McGill
is
coming
in
I
believe
she's
online.
If
I
stop
speaking,
she
will.
A
Thank
you
Lord
mayor
good
evening,
members
members.
This
is
a
report
asking
for
your
retrospective
approval
to
a
response
to
a
recent
Department
of
Justice
consultation.
A
We've
also
availed
of
the
opportunity
to
physically
attend
court
when
the
complexities
of
the
matter
required
it.
Consequently,
officers
have
indicated
in
the
response
their
view
that
Provisions
for
remote
hearings
should
be
extended.
Beyond,
September,
2023
and
in
the
response.
Council
officers
have
also
commented
that
the
flexibility
of
the
hybrid
approach
is
welcomed.
B
B
B
Members
5.2
Community
planning
could
I
have
a
proposer
and
a
seconder
for
the
consultation
documents.
I'm
assuming
everyone
has
read
those
and
is
content
with
the
information.
So
could
I
have
a
proposer.
Thank
you,
counselor
Savage,
on
the
seconder
Kaiser
Ferguson.
Thank
you
5.3.
Then
I'm
going
to
hand
over
to
Keith
mccoska
our
senior
solicitor
to
present
this
report.
It
is
also
joining
us
online.
B
G
G
Good
evening,
members
I'm
here
to
seek
your
approval
for
the
replacement
of
the
current
contract
procedure,
rules
in
the
Constitution,
with
revised
contract
procedure
rules,
and
also
for
article
11.5
of
the
Constitution
to
be
amended
and
for
a
new
process
to
be
adopted
on
the
application
of
the
currency
of
the
documents
members.
You
should
hopefully
have
a
copy
of
my
report
on
this
and
a
copy
of
the
proposed
contract
procedure.
Rules
which
I've
drafted
you'll
know
in
the
report
that
it's
a
legislative
requirement
that
we
enter
into
contracts
in
accordance
with
our
standard
orders.
G
We
do
have
contract
procedure
rules
in
our
constitution.
However,
they're
not
really
rules,
they're,
more
a
set
of
terms
and
conditions
for
the
purchase
of
goods
and
services,
and
they
haven't
been
updated
since
2015
containing
references
to
out-of-date
legislation.
It's
therefore
be
necessary
for
the
rules
to
be
updated
and
to
take
a
form
which
reflecting
rules
rather
than
contract
terms
and
conditions.
Please
note
that
the
key
procedures
in
the
revised
contract
procedure
rules
about
contracts
aren't
new
they're
already
in
our
constitution,
but
not
in
one
place
and
not
easy
to
locate.
G
Moving
on
to
the
application
of
the
common
seal,
you'll
also
see
in
the
report
that
I've
proposed
how
we
change
how
the
common
sealants
are
fixed
to
documents.
A
present
article
11.5
of
the
Constitution
requires
the
affixing
of
the
common
seal
to
be
attested
basically
witnessed
by
council
at
the
full
council
meeting
each
month.
G
This
is
not
a
legislative
requirement
that
the
affixing
of
the
common
seal
must
be
witnessed
by
Council,
and
it's
not
deemed
to
be
commercially
expedient
or
practical
to
only
permit
contracts
to
be
sealed
and
completed
once
a
month
before
cancel
meeting
the
current
Arrangement
can
be
an
issue,
especially
in
relation
to
contracts
needing
to
be
executed
quickly,
where
there's
a
funding
deadline
or
where
Services
need
to
be
provided
immediately.
As
previously
stated,
it's
not
a
legislative
requirement.
G
Not
the
affixing
of
the
common
seal
must
be
witnessed
by
Council
and
a
number
of
other
local
councils,
as
set
out
in
the
report
delegate
the
attesting
and
a
fixing
of
the
common
seal
to
their
low
mirror
deputy
and
to
senior
officers.
It's
therefore
proposed
that
we
adopt
the
same
arrangement
for
the
reasons
already
mentioned,
and
that
article
11.5
is
amended
to
allow
the
attestation
of
the
common
seal
to
be
delegated
to
the
law,
marriage
Deputy
into
senior
officers.
When
signing.
G
It's
also
proposed
that
we
adopt
the
wording
used
by
Belfast,
City
Council,
which
is
also
set
out
in
the
report.
This
would
mean
that
every
document
which
needs
to
be
executed
using
the
common
seal
still
requires
a
resolution
of
council
with
oversight
Authority
by
members.
However,
the
administrative
Tasker
ceiling,
the
document
will
be
carried
out
by
the
Lord
mayor
and
Senior
officers
when
required.
Thank
you
members.
Thank
you.
Lord
mayor.
B
It
was
streaming
online,
okay,
so
members
that
were
zooming
in
could
hear
that,
even
though
we
couldn't
see
her
on
the
screen,
we're
going
to
finish
this
section
here
and
then
we're
going
to
take
an
adjournment
to
reset
the
system
to
ensure
that
members
are
are
seen
on
the
screen
and
and
everything's
heard
online
sufficiently.
So,
but
we're
going
to
finish
this
part.
First
of
all,
anyway,
Alderman
Baxter
you'd
indicated
to
speak.
I
Thank
you
dark
matter
and
I
think
it
was
myself
would
actually
asked
for
this
to
be
delayed
until
tonight
to
give
some
more
clarity
and
I've
spoken
to
kid
about
it
as
well.
So
yeah
there's
a
there's,
a
good
paper
trail
there
and
a
couple
other
things
terrified
as
well.
So
yeah
I'm
happy
with
the
explanation.
How
can
you
propose
if
I
need
to
proposal?
Thank
you.
B
Thank
you,
Alderman
Baxter
could
I
have
a
seconder
for
that.
Thank
you.
Counselor
Michael
members
we're
going
to
take
a
few
minutes,
five
minute
adjournment
just
for
to
reset
the
system,
and
hopefully
it'll
be
up
and
running
again,
so
thank
you.
I
I
could
ask
ICT
to
turn
off
the
live
feed.
Thank
you.
B
Okay,
okay
members,
we're
good
to
go
so
agenda.
Item
number
six
schedule
of
Correspondence:
we
have
two
items,
any
questions,
members,
okay,
nothing
I!
Think
do
we
need
a
no.
If
you
have
any
comments,
basically
members,
if
you
want
to
feed
them
through
the
member
services,
that's
that's
good
agenda
item
number
seven.
Then
we
have
a
number
of
documents
requiring
corporate
sale.
If
we're
content
to
take
those
and
block
7.1,
7.2
7.3,
7.4
7.5
could
I
have
a
proposer
under
seconder.
H
B
J
Thank
you
Lord
mayor
and
thanks
for
the
opportunity
to
speak
to
Nate
in
the
motion
in
manium
and
seconded
by
Alderman
Berry.
This
is
the
fourth
time
this
matter
has
been
discussed
with
Council
and
some
shape
or
another.
But
tonight
is
the
the
first
time
that
I've
really
intended
to
speak
in
in
some
depth.
J
I've
been
an
elected
representative
for
18
years
and
it
has
been
the
honor
of
my
life.
I've
always
worked
across
parties
and
across
communities.
My
politics
is
one
of
inclusion
of
cooperation
and
consensus
and
I,
don't
just
say
that
I
do
that
in
a
way.
I
work
in
this
chamber
in
the
Committees
and
indeed
by
the
way,
I
represent
everyone
from
Every
Community
who
approached
me
in
2015.
J
Whenever
this
Council
was
formed,
all
parties
set
out
to
be
inclusive
to
work
in
partnership
with
one
another
and
work
together
to
make
this
a
better
place
to
do
business
in
the
party
leaders.
Forum
was
set
up
to
reflect
that
ethos
on
that
approach
and
it
worked
well
when
we
had
four
million
parties
ukip
unconscious
Liberty
as
an
independent.
J
It
worked
well
when
the
land
Consular
Jones
became
an
independent
in
the
first
term
and
in
the
last
month,
with
five
parties
in
councilor,
Barry
and
now
before
I
go
any
further.
I
acknowledge
the
outcome
of
the
council
elections,
I
may
and
the
change
in
the
makeup
of
this
chamber
I
know
I'm
a
sole
representative
of
my
party,
but
what
I
cannot
get
around
my
head
around
is
why
someone
or
a
group
of
colleagues
would
seek
to
exclude
me
counselor,
Radcliffe
and
Alderman
Barry
from
The
Forum.
J
J
J
J
I
want
to
be
part
of
a
decision-making
process,
not
some
sort
of
messenger
by
for
whoever,
for
whatever
Crunch
and
Nelson
wants
me
to
know
some
say
it,
the
party,
it's
only
a
party
leadership,
and
yet
the
Lord
knows
the
day
said
so
not
for
him
to
ensure
she
or
he
is
aware
of.
What's
going
on
some
who
have
near
this
more
about
about
more
youngests
on
the
party
leaders
forum,
that's
not
my
argument,
but
I
can
see
why
some
might
want
to
exclude
those
who
disagree
with
him.
J
D
F
And
I
ask
that
the
record
is
corrected,
because
I
absolutely
did
not
say
that
at
any
point,
I
did
not
whisper.
That
I
did
not
suggest
it.
Counselor
Holland
has
put
into
the
public
domain.
That
I
may
have
said
that
that
actually
could
put
me
in
a
very
precarious
possession
out
in
the
community.
So
I
would
ask
him
to
make
either
clarify
that
that
is
something
that
he
has
dreamed
up
unimagined
or
that
he
withdraws
those
remarks
immediately.
B
J
J
Will
our
chief
executive
have
to
set
up
two
forums
each
month
for
I
want
the
same
treatment
for
the
people
I
represent
as
country
or
counselor
Evans
does
a
either
side
of
me.
I!
Don't
want
a
briefing
paper.
I
want
a
phone
meeting
with
senior
officers
presentations.
A
lot
I
may
not
have
a
group
to
need,
but
I
have
a
voice
and
I
intend
to
use
it.
J
Last
week
there
was
a
proposal
put
on
the
table
that
counselor,
Radcliffe
and
Alderman
Barry
could
join
the
dep
group
or
that
the
three
of
us
could
rotate
membership
of
the
party
leaders
forum
to
me
that
builds
in
us
on
their
mentality
in
the
chamber,
and
this
which
has
thus
far
skipped
this
place.
J
B
Thank
you,
Council
Hanlon,
Alderman,
Berry,.
K
Thank
you,
madam
Lord,
mayor
and
I'm
happy
to
Second
this
motion
here
tonight.
In
my
name,
a
lot
of
others
in
2014,
as
I've
said
in
previous
meetings
on
Wednesday
on
on
in
the
past,
I
have
had
the
honor
of
of
representing
the
Kush
award
as
an
independent
from
2014
and
before,
and
it
always
has
been
a
pleasure
to
do
so
with
a
very
strong
mandate
and
a
mandate
that
has
increased
every
election,
which
in
itself
is
something
to
be
said.
But
I
don't
say
that
in
a
boastful
manner.
K
I
said
in
a
case
that
I'm
here
to
represent
the
people
that
have
elected
me
to
the
best
ability
and
from
2014
I,
have
been
a
member
of
the
party
leaders
forum.
I
know
at
that
time.
Shin
fan
were
opposed
to
me
being
honored,
as
were
they
in
2019
and
I've,
said
before.
K
I
left
the
meeting
until
the
party
leaders
discussed
my
membership
or
not
of
this
particular
Party
leaders
form
and
the
chief
executive,
Mr
Wilson
came
out
after
quite
a
long
conversation
or
discussion
with
the
other
party
leaders
to
inform
me
that
in
2019
that
I
would
still
remain
a
member
of
the
party
leaders
forum.
The
party
leaders
form
in
my
view,
has
worked
well.
K
Some
some
counselors
and
other
parties
have
differed
a
lot
and
have
shared
their
views
with
me
in
relation
to
the
party
leaders
forum,
but
I
believe,
as
people
have
called
it,
a
sounding
board,
a
discussion
group.
Whatever
you
want
to
call
it.
It
was
never
a
decision-making
body,
but
it
was
an
important
committee
or
important
body
to
be
on
and
I
believe
that
over
those
two
terms
that
I
and
others
have
worked
well
together
and
and
in
accordance
with
good
governance,
equality
and
openness.
K
And
that's
why
I
fully
support
this
motion
here
this
evening,
I'm,
not
one
when
you're
on
a
committee
or
when
you're
on
a
particular
body
that
you
actually
go
to
support
yourself
of
it
and
that's
why
I'm
standing
up
tonight
for
this?
Because
I
believe
a
council
will
Hannan
counselor
Radcliffe
and
the
TV
and
the
sdlp
have
a
mandate
as
well
and
I
believe
it
is
important
that
everyone
who
has
a
mandate
is
heard.
K
In
the
alliance,
because
we
recognized
we
were
single
individual
counselors,
albeit
one
with
an
sdlp,
one
was
the
TUV
and
myself
as
an
independent
mandate
and
that
we
would
not
be
receiving
an
alliance
and
I
was
hoping
that
that
would
be
a
way
that
all
parties
would
be
able
to
support,
because
it
would
not
be
a
any
more
a
financial
cost
or
implications
for
the
council.
It
wasn't
about
money,
it
wasn't
about
that
and
I
certainly
don't
believe
that
we
would
be
holding
more
sway
than
the
other
four
men
parties
in
this
Council.
K
If
anybody
believes
that
they're
badly
badly
misjudging
the
situation,
I
believe
that,
given
what
has
been
said
and
the
many
discussions
and
conversations
that
has
been
said
over
taking
place
over
recent
days
and
weeks
and
I
believe
it
was
counselor
Catherine
Seeley
that
had
mentioned
at
the
last
monthly
council
meeting
that
the
chief
executive
and
his
officers
could
also
update
and
could
also
inform
the
other
three
counselors
of
what
has
taken
place
at
the
party
leaders
forum
and,
as
I've
said
on
Wednesday
night
and
I'll,
say
tonight
again.
K
In
my
view,
that
is
clear
duplication.
Let's
hear
duplication
on
the
fact
that
when
our
senior
officers
are
gathered
together,
their
time
is
precious
indeed,
our
time
as
counselors
is
precious
and
I
believe
it
would
be
more
important
that
we
had
everybody
sitting
around
the
table
at
the
one
table.
If
it's
not
a
decision
making
body,
if
it's
a
body,
that's
a
sounding
board.
K
What
is
the
big
problem
with
three
other
counselors
sitting
on
not
Party
leaders
Forum
to
discuss
what
is
best
not
for
us,
but
what
is
best
for
the
ABC
Council
area
and
its
people
and
I?
Think
the
politics
of
exclusion
is
wrong.
I
believe
that
it's
the
wrong
direction
in
which
we
should
go
and
I
believe
for
us
to
continue
on
our
good
work
and
relationships.
K
I
think
it's
the
best
way
forward
that
we
can
get
back
into
our
party
leaders
form
that
we
can
discuss
the
issues
and
then
it
gets
through
to
committee
stage
and
I.
Don't
believe
anybody
has
anything
to
fear
by
three
other
members
sitting
on
the
party
leaders
form
in
relation
to
this
particular
issue.
I
know
Alderman
Baxter,
who
have
worked
with
very
closely
over
the
two
terms.
Had
proposed
on
Monday
night
that
we
look
at
two
different
proposals
with
other
the
three
of
us
form
in
a
group
or
that
case
on
myself
would
attend.
K
The
dep
group
meetings
in
relation
to
the
party
leaders
form
I
went
back
out
of
courtesy
to
him
after
Wednesday
via
email,
to
inform
him
that,
whilst
I'm
aware
he
he
reels
those
both
proposals,
I,
don't
think
that
either
of
them
were
actually
practical
on
that
basis
and
I
felt
that
the
way
forward
going
forward
in
unity
was
to
have
us
all
around
the
table.
At
the
same
time,
with
the
mandates
that
we
have,
it
has
been
unfortunate,
Madame
Lord
mayor
that
we
haven't
found
a
way
forward.
K
It
has
been
unfortunate
that
much
has
been
said
and
that
we
would
want
to
move
forward
as
one
and
a
council
together
to
try
and
move
forward
for
the
good
of
the
council
and
I
would
hope
that
the
fellow
counselors
would
seriously
reconsider
here
tonight
what
what
they,
what
where
they
intend
to
vote,
and
that
we
could
find
a
way
forward
at
looking
are
including
the
three
counselors,
namely
Council
Harlan,
councilor
Ratcliffe
and
myself.
K
On
the
party
leaders
forum
and
with
this,
then
we
can
go
forward
as
one
and
there'll
be
no
duplication
and,
as
I've
said
before,
and
it
still
stands.
My
proposal
still
stands
that
for
the
three
councilors
who
would
be
on
the
party
leaders
Forum
or
would
have
the
opportunity
that
there
would
still
be
no
remuneration
or
allowance
for
them
on
that
proposal
still
stands.
I
believe
we
need
to
move
forward,
as
the
motion
has
said,
promoting
good
governance,
equality,
openness
and
good
working
relationships.
This
has
been
a
blip
to
the
start
of
our
term.
K
There
has
been
much
changes
from
2014,
as
has
been
stated,
but
I
think
the
best
way
forward.
Modern
lordmer
and
closing
would
be
that
all
counselors
around
this
chamber
tonight,
from
whatever
political
persuasion
they
come
from,
would
have
a
rethink
and
would
seriously
consider
including
the
three
counselors
myself
Radcliffe
and
o'hanlan
on
the
part
leaders
form
and
I
trust
that
they
will
support
this
tonight.
I
would
like
to
thank
over
recent
weeks
the
support
from
the
Austria
unionist
party
in
the
alliance
party
for
supporting
us
on
this
and
I
would
like
to
thank
them
publicly.
L
L
Given
that
chin
fian
continue
to
defend
unjustify
a
company
and
saw
they
or
deal
with
disagreement
by
whale
bullet.
I
am
not
surprised
that
they
are
behind
the
proposal,
which
removes
the
sdlp
until
Union
spaces
from
this
forum.
What
is
less
clear
to
me
as
a
dup's
position?
Unfortunately,
here
we
have
a
party
lordmer,
which
obtained
each
on
every
state
that
has
on
the
council
on
a
basis
so
that
active
slogan,
that's
spelled
unionism,
not
splattered.
L
Just
a
few
months
ago,
we
all
received
literature
through
our
ladder
boxes
from
the
dep
which,
on
the
front
right,
contain
the
Box
headed
our
promise
to
you.
They're
listed
five
pledges,
the
fifth
of
which
was
in
this
coronation.
Year.
We
will
cooperate
on
both
other
unions
and
put
Northern
Ireland.
First,
yet
here
we
are
tonight
to
discuss
what
to
discuss
the
dep,
not
cooperating
with
other
unions
but
siding
with
Republicans
in
the
coronation
year.
L
I
appreciate
that
I
only
to
counselor,
but
as
always,
I
always
thought
that
elected
representatives
were
bound
to
their
promise
to
elect
it.
The
others
take
a
different
View,
we're
about
to
find
out
unless
the
dep
find
reverse
gear
in
this
is
their
own
voters
untreated,
not
just
male
actors,
but
their
own
with
contempt.
Let
me
address
directly
some
of
the
points
which
will
be
made
in
this
issue.
L
We
are
told
that
this
will
merely
bring
us
into
line
with
the
practice
of
our
councils,
maybe
those
who
sought
to
portray
themselves
as
champions
of
the
reappear.
The
last
meeting
would
like
to
certain
example
and
bring
us
on
the
line.
We're
mid
and
Eastern
from
Council
were
allowances
for
great
group
leaders
is
one-third
of
what
it
is
here.
Perhaps
I
could
be
honest
with
the
electric
and
tell
them,
unlike
the
dep
and
shin
fee,
and
group
leaders,
Alderman,
Barry,
kaiserable,
Hong
and
I
were
prepared
to
serve
without
any
additional
Alliance
whatsoever.
L
L
L
Finally,
had
this
been
suggested
to
me
that
there
is
some
sort
of
Corel
between
the
party
leaders,
foreign
and
that
my
leader
has
been
happy
to
represent
someone
else.
That
is
nonsense.
The
commission
is
a
decision-making
body
on
gems
allocated
as
vote
to
the
EP
representative,
only
on
a
specific
issue
of
land
Union
Flag.
L
Furthermore,
he
only
did
that
after
constructive
engagement
on
discussions
with
the
dep
something
which
is
currently
absent
within
this
Council
chamber-
and
it's
very
unfortunate
Broadmoor,
the
bottom
line
into
this
two
members
of
the
dep
respect
their
own
voters,
page
22
of
the
2023
dup
minor
Festival,
said
as
unionist
parties.
We
share
a
great
deal
more
in
common
than
debate
us
we're.
L
I
Thank
you,
Lord
mayor
and,
first
of
all,
I
haven't
planned
to
actually
say
this,
but
this
is
ABC
Council
chamber.
That's
not
Westminster!
There's
no
parliamentary
privilege,
the
councilorate
accusations
about
counselors
totally
on
Finders,
which
are
a
total
lie,
whether
you
say
you
know,
we
actually
said
it
or
he
could
have
settled
and
has
put
it
out
there
in
the
public
forum.
I
In
fact,
there
was
another
member
of
this
chamber
approached
me
about
it
from
a
different
party
and
I
clarified
it
with
them
and
earlier
as
well.
So
there
were
habits
with
a
public
apology.
Isn't
common
counselor
of
London
I
will
be
going
to
the
Ombudsman
to
take
that
as
red
now
listen
I'm
not
going
to
rehash
everything.
We've
said
over
the
last
three
times:
we've
done
this
for
here
on
the
fourth
occasion
tonight,
it's
a
matter
of
public
record
I
stand
over
everything.
We've
said
we're
just
coming
out
of
an
election.
I
We
have
93
Independence
or
two
single
party
representatives
and
an
independent.
So
it's
about
good
governance
and
planning
and
and
formulating
a
policy
in
terms
of
the
group
Leader's
meeting,
something
that
other
parties,
even
here
that
are
against
this
done,
another
counselors
across
the
country
and
we've
here
we
talked
about
this
and
we
discussed
it.
So
that's
just
about
the
governance.
Is
she
that
we
believe
that
you
can't
be
a
group
leader?
I
If
you
don't
lead
a
group,
you
know
the
mechanism
that
the
the
role
that
I
have
as
a
group
leader
to
take
information
to
my
my
colleagues
and
my
preference
tonight
is
I,
don't
know:
Alderman
a
Barry
and
the
councilor
up
to
have
referenced
it
tonight,
I'm,
not
asking
them
to
become
a
member
of
the
dep
and
not
asking
to
take
a
party
rep
I'm
asking
them.
Are
you
put
me
off
right
there
as
an
olive
branch
to
my
unionist
colleagues?
I
But
unionism
is
stronger
together
and
when
we
have
a
group
meeting,
you
can
come
to
our
group
meetings
and
we
can
discuss
it
as
United
unionists
going
forward
on
how
we
did
it
with
the
issues
that
doesn't
need
a
council
decision.
That's
a
genuine
attempt
to
Forge
Universe
relations
with
other
Universe
colleagues,
that
was
my
preference
and
I
know.
That's
been
rebuffed
and
both
publicly
and
privately,
and
that's
fine,
but
that
offer
is
still
there,
but
there
were
as
always
open
and
it's
a
genuine
offer
and
it's
an
offer.
I
We
have
discussed
as
a
party
as
well
I
think
unionism
stronger
together
and
that's
a
genuine
offer
so
setting
that
aside
and
I've
listened
to
the
concerns
of
the
three
members
who
who
aren't
now
afford
it
in
a
place
and
a
party
group
leader.
So
we
have
formulated
an
amendment.
I
I,
don't
think
I
have
sent
the
amendment
to
the
top
table
to
think
about
you.
You
might
have
it
there,
just
if
you
want
to
send
it
out,
I'm,
not
sure
if
that
can
be
sent
to
everyone.
I
So
there
is
an
amendment
and
this
amendment
six
to
put
a
mechanism
in
place
and
something
which
doesn't
happen
even
on
other
councils,
but
this
puts
a
mechanism
in
place
where
independent
thinking,
probably
Representatives,
can
have
a
voice
at
the
party
group
leaders
after
show-minded
to
do
so
so
either.
This
is
about
you
know
the
headlines.
Oh,
this
is
about
actually
wanting
to
get
to
the
table
to
discuss
the
issues,
because
this
is
a
mechanism.
I
I
The
first
paragraph
of
the
motion,
stairs
as
it
is
that
we
rescind
the
the
original
decision
and
then
remove
the
second
paragraph,
and
instead
we
say
we
adopt
a
formal
policy
that
to
have
a
place
in
the
party
leaders
form.
It
is
a
requirement
that
a
party
represented
must
have
two
or
more
members.
At
the
time
of
election,
in
the
interests
of
inclusivity,
independent
on
single
party
members
may
form
a
group
comprising
of
at
least
two
counselors
and
cylinder
Forum
on
a
non-renumerator
basis,
rotating
their
representative
representative
on
the
Forum
as
agreed
by
them.
I
So
that's
the
amendment.
It's
a
genuine
attempt
to
try
and
resolve
the
situation.
It's
a
it's
a
story
and
a
an
issue
that
has
a
resin
that
has
been
blown
out
of
any
all
proportion.
All
proportion,
because
fundamentally
Party
leaders
form,
is
simply
a
discussion
board.
Where
information
has
brought
back
to
counselors
and
doesn't
make
decisions,
it
never
has
made
decisions
at
dozens
of
votes.
It's
never
how
to
vote.
That's
simply
a
discussion
forum
and
it's
been
put
on
this
pedestal,
where
it's
not
where
it's
not
there.
F
Thank
you
and
Madam
Lord
mayor
I
have
to
say
that
counselor
Honda
fail
tonight
and
he's
someone
I
have
the
utmost.
Respect
for
ordinarily
has
really
let
himself
down
showing
this
for
what
it
really
is.
This
evening,
which
is
a
self-serving
debate.
He
presented
not
only
a
mistruth
but
a
lie
as
a
fact,
and
he
has.
Whilst
he
has
struck
it
off
the
Record,
he
has
not
presented
any
Clarity
nor
apologized
and
I
water,
a
gym
throughout
the
course
of
this
meeting.
F
F
F
Those
who
don't
meet
that
criteria
will
get
updates
of
marriage
discussed
and
therefore
matters
coming
forward
and
I
have
sought
assurances
on
that,
because
I
do
respect
the
Mandate
of
individuals
of
Independence
and
I
do
want
them
in
the
loop,
but
we
really
seriously
know
I
need
to
move
on
from
this
tonight,
because
it's
becoming
a
laugh
and
stock.
Anyone
that's
watching
this
tonight
will
be
saying:
are
there
not
more
prefinishes,
because
there
are
we're
in
the
middle
of
a
cost
to
live
in
crisis?
F
There's
a
crisis
in
housing,
there's
a
Crisis
crisis
on
our
hospitals
and
our
schools.
Our
roads
are
in
the
worst
state
that
they've
ever
been
in,
and
we're
sitting
here
like
toddlers
in
a
playground
debating
this
for
the
fourth
time
this
evening.
So
I
would
urge
everybody
to
make
their
points,
get
a
decision
and
let's
move
on
and
discuss
the
issues
that
matter
to
the
person
that
we
are
here
to
represent.
B
M
Thank
you,
Lord
mayor,
I,
wasn't
sure
if
I
was
going
to
speak
in
this
chamber
tonight
on
this,
is
she
given
my
remarks
previously
last
week,
but
given
her
the
debates
unfolded,
I
think
we
do
need
to
say
something.
First,
he
would
come
in
on
the
previous
speaker.
We
do
have
a
crisis
on
our
housing
or
do
you
have
difficulties
in
hospitals
and
our
schools
are
in
need
of
funding,
but
the
first
proposal
lets
him
being
put
down
in
this
chamber
was
about
the
exclusion
of
the
sdlp
and
minority
parties
from
Party
leaders.
M
Forum
that's
been
trying
to
be
interested
as
party
group
leaders
form
for
those
Party
leaders.
Forum
people
have
a
man,
they
have
to
be
there
and
I
think
we
should
all
acknowledge
the
proposal
from
counselor
Perry
when
he
put
it
down,
but
he
and
the
other
two
would
be
able
to
attend
the
maintenance
without
any
remuneration
and
I
thought
it
was
magnanimous
proposal
at
the
time
that
would
have
no
impact
on
repair,
and
yet
this
too
was
rejected.
M
As
it's
been
said,
it
wasn't
about
money,
it
was
about
personalities.
I
was
a
blatant
carve-up
of
power
between
the
shin
fee
and
the
dep
to
get
more
power
to
themselves,
there's
power
to
each
other
and
have
increasing
difficulty
for
smaller
parties
such
as
one
Iron
Man.
The
whole
entire
account,
even
though
fashion
tonight,
in
which
they
wish
to
hurry.
Just
a
bit
shows
that
they
didn't
want
too
many
A's
on
the
issue.
M
I'm
concerned
Lord
mayor
not
only
about
the
state
of
politics
in
Northern
Ireland,
but
the
state
of
politics
in
this
chamber.
If
we
are
moving
away
from
the
inclusive
where
in
which
we
normally
do
business,
where
we
hear
our
voices,
our
voices
get
their
time
to
speak,
all
voices
are
included
in
the
discussion.
M
All
voices
are
informed
and
ultimately
we
do
take
decisions
when
you're
not
even
providing
that
information
to
those
voices
they
become
voiceless,
for
people
who
elected
them,
rightly
to
be
in
this
chamber,
have
no
elected
representative
who
can
hold
the
powerful
to
account
that
will
lead
to
bad
decisions.
I
will
lead
to
bad
decision
makers.
M
I
would
encourage
Infinity
Peter
reflectman
and
even
at
the
state
ledge
to
recognize
the
problems
that
this
will
cause
both
tonight.
The
relationships
between
members,
the
relationships
over
the
next
four
years
and
the
decisions
which
may
as
well
not
be
taken
as
well
as
a
result,
I'd
hope
that
they
would
reflect,
and
instead
a
client
had
with
us
carve
up
Upon
A
Carver,
which
is
Alderman
Baxter's
proposal
that
they
instead
say
sense
and
that's
work
together
in
the
interest
of
presence
of
the
borough
together
rather
than
separately.
Thank
you.
N
Thank
you,
lordman,
it's
just
a
correct.
Another
incorrect
statement
was
made
by
Council
larva
in
this
instance.
The
governance
committing
I
proposed
about
10
proposals
at
the
economic
development
committee,
the
night
before
the
governor's
committee.
So
to
say
this
was
the
first
proposal
made
by
sinfian
in
this
term
is
just
absolutely
nonsense
and
you
know
I,
don't
want
to
call
it
something
else,
but
it
clearly
was.
B
Foreign
members,
I,
don't
know
this
time,
definitely
don't
see
any
more
lights
on.
I
need
to
go
back
now
to
counselor
O'hanlon
and
Alderman
Barry.
Are
they
content
happy
with
the
amendment
I'll
call
you
tonight.
B
I,
don't
believe
we
have
that
at
hand,
but
can
Alderman
Baxter.
Could
you
take
us
through
that?
One
again,
please,
and
if,
if
needs
be
members
I'm
in
your
hands,
I
can
do
a
five-minute
adjournment
for
you
to
see
that
physically
in
writing,
but
I'll
allow
you
kind
of
Alderman
Baxter
to
read
that
first.
I
Sure,
thank
you.
The
first
paragraph
which
says
the
same
where
we
resend
him
the
decision
and
the
second
paragraph
says
we
adopt
a
formal
policy
but
to
have
a
place
in
the
party
leaders
Forum.
It's
a
requirement
that
a
party
represented
must
have
two
or
more
members
at
the
time
of
election
and
the
interest
of
inclusivity
independent
on
single-party
members
may
form
a
group
comparison
of
at
least
two
counselors
and
set
on
The
Forum
on
a
non-ren
numerated
basis
rotating
their
representative,
as
agreed
by
them.
J
No
and
Lord
mayor
I
don't
need
an
adjournment.
I
wouldn't
be
content
to
accept
the
amendment,
but
just
for
clarity
and
asked
that
the
my
comments
earlier
are
formally
withdrawn
from
the
record
and
I
apologize.
If
I
have
a
a
upset,
some
people
I
don't
want
this
to
be
a
distraction
from
the
debate
and
better
than
that
a
some
have
suggested.
This
is
what
this
is
all
about.
I
think
you'll
find
it.
K
J
B
K
And
in
our
contribution
she
had
mentioned
that
she
had
been
fighting
for
for
the
famous
three
in
relation
to.
If
this
didn't
go
through
tonight,
that
the
chief
executive
and
the
senior
officers
would
be
keeping
the
three
members
informed,
namely
Barry
Radcliffe
and
O'hanlon.
I
I
would
like
to
hear
from
the
chief
executive
what
what
his
thought
stroke
proposals
would
be
on
that.
That's
if
this
Motion
in
the
name
of
wuhalan
and
Barry
doesn't
go
through.
B
K
O
B
Can
move
on
to
that
after
we
have
dealt
with
the
amendment,
that's
on
the
table
at
present,
because
the
amendment
has
nothing
to
do
with
what
way
we
move
forward
right,
okay,
well,
take
the
X
intend
to
take
that:
okay,
I,
don't
want
to
deflect
from
what
the
mean
thing
was
on
the
table.
That's
the
reason
good.
D
Thank
you
Madam
Lord
mayor,
and
this
comes
we're,
obviously
in
the
hands
of
members,
but
it
would
be
the
officer's
intention
that
there
would
be
a
similar
meeting
arranged
as
there
would
be
for
the
party
leaders
Forum.
So
officers
would
be
able
to
attend
a
meeting
with
Alderman
Barry,
Council,
Radcliffe
and
counselor
Hamlin.
D
B
P
O
Thank
you,
Lord
Mur,
I
didn't
intend
to
speak
tonight
because
I
thought
I'd
made
myself
clear
the
other
night,
but
I
think
that
the
law,
the
party
leaders
Forum,
has
worked
well
over
this
past
eight
years
and-
and
you
know
it
mentions-
are
alderman
bye
and
Alderman.
Barry
hasn't
changed,
his
party
hasn't
grown,
but
he
was
here.
He
was
here
in
the
first
two
terms
as
a
single
member
or
not
so
I
don't
see
where
the
change
has
gone.
O
Does
this
proposal
by
other
the
amendment
by
Alderman
Baxter
exclude
the
Lord
Murr,
because
the
Lord
Myrrh
is
not
a
party
leader
and
again
it's
not
personal
Madam
lordmer.
It
is
the
office
because
it's
supposed
to
be
Party
leaders
Forum
the
Lord
Murr
is
the
the
elected
person
within
the
chamber
who
who
presides
over
the
meetings
and
does
all
the
social
activities,
but
at
the
same
time
the
Lord
Mur
is
not
a
party
leader.
So
where
do
we
draw
the
line?
O
B
Alderman
Baxter
I'm,
at
your
request
at
the
the
chief
executive,
has
informed
me
that
it's
as
part
of
your
request,
your
your
amendment,
that
it
would
need
clarification
with
regards
to
the
Lord
mayor.
I
B
P
Thank
you,
Lord
mayor
just
very
quickly.
The
chief
Executives
say
that
if
they
were
excluded
from
Party
leaders
from
the
second
meeting
would
be
set
up,
10
form
the
three
individual
members.
What
a
complete
waste
of
time
thought
was
to
be
the
case.
Why,
if
that's
the
case,
why
would
they
not
be
allowed
to
set
on
you
know
the
same
form
as
everybody
else?
No
duplication
of
effort
just
seems
completely
pointless
to
me.
B
K
Thank
you
for
a
lot
and
for
letting
me
in
again
it
was
just
basically
going
back
to
the
chief
executive
in
relation
to
clarify
and
what
you
did
say
so
we're
going
to
have
a
party
leader
form
and
then
we're
going
to
have
a
second
I
suppose
you
could
call
it
another
party
leaders
form
of
three
other
members
which
is
going
to
be
a
serious
duplication,
time
and
finance
the
cost
that'll
be
for
bringing
senior
officers
together
when
we
could
be
in
one
room
together
speaking,
that's
the
part
that
I
just
don't
get
my
head
around
is
that
the
other
three
members
could
be
there
working
collectively
together
as
one
rather
than
asking
the
chief
executive
and
all
the
directors
for
their
attempts,
so
I
I
would
I
would
I'm
glad
that
the
chief
executive
has
clarified
that
tonight,
but
I
think
it's
ridiculous
and
I
seriously
think
before
we
make
any
decision
but
need
to
go
and
have
a
conversation.
B
F
Right,
thank
you
and
Madame
Lord
mayor
I'm,
just
trying
to
get
clarity
as
to
where
that
decision
was
made
about
the
second
meeting
and
so
I'm
just
trying
to
understand
how
that
has
come
about
it.
With
my
understanding
that
those
not
meeting
the
criteria
for
the
party
leaders
Forum
would
be
updated,
possibly
three
action
points
and
an
email
I
at
no
point
understood
that
it
would
include
a
second
meeting
so
I'm
trying
to
understand
where
that
decision
was
taken.
D
Thank
you,
Lord,
mayor
at
what
I
did
do
before
I
said
that
was
I
prefaced
it
by
saying
I
was
in
the
hands
of
members.
So
therefore
it
is
a
matter
for
members
to
decide
how
you
wanted
to
do,
but
given
some
of
the
things
that
are
being
considered
a
party
leaders
in
that
discussion
forum
for
it
to
be
effective
for
the
other
three
and
that's
certainly
a
way
forward,
if
counsel
to
say
it
is
going
to
be
by
way
of
written
briefing,
then
that's
a
council
decision,
obviously
to
do
so.
Lordmer.
Q
B
I
appreciate
your
considering
my
welfare
thank
you.
Alderman
bar,
but
I'm,
very
content,
their
their
voices
heard
prior
to
me
going
to
an
adjournment
so
Alderman
baxtory.
Would
you
do
you
need
an
adjournment
or.
F
I
About
yeah,
probably
I
think
another
just
practical
governance
when
it
was
actually
fashion
when
the
Lord
mayor
was
always
there
as
their
rule
as
sort
of
apolitical
for
the
year
and
just
to
give
them
an
understanding
and
afford
The
Possession
the
respect
that
the
position
I
feel
is
first
citizen
deserves,
and
it's
not
in
the
it's
not
in
the
amendment.
I
I
The
Lord
May,
rarely
rarely
attends
party
group
leaders
make
I
would
I
would
imagine
and
I'm
sure,
there's
previous
Lord
merciful
number
eight
would
you
know,
would
agree
with
me
in
that
in
that
position
non-decision
making
body
anyhow,
you
know
there's
no
decisions
made.
So
it's
not
as
if
it's
an
actual
vote.
B
Hey
members
we
I
know:
walderman
Barr
has
requested
an
adjournment,
but
I
mean
at
the
minute
I'm
sitting
with
an
amendment
on
the
table.
Cancer
Hanlon,
Alderman
Barry
is
not
content
to
accept
so
I
think.
Perhaps
at
this
stage,
I
need
to
hand
over
to
councilor
Hanlon
to
wind
up
in
his
motion
prior
loss.
Taking
a
vote.
B
D
B
B
P
Q
I
K
A
A
A
A
K
I
H
H
C
H
D
B
Okay
members,
so
we
had
20
at
nose
and
13.
Yes,
so
the
amendment
Falls.
So
now
we
need
to
vote
on
the.
Oh
sorry.
No,
we
don't.
My
apologies
I'm
now
going
to
invite
counselor
o'
Hamlin
to
ride
on
his
motion.
J
J
I
think
that
one
thing
I
would
maybe,
in
a
last
Stitch
plea
to
people
to
reflect
on
the
way
things
that
have
worked
in
the
party
leaders
forum
for
the
last
eight
years
and
how,
in
the
inclusive
approach,
how
the
a
the
ethos
that
work
that
we
work
to
delivered
well
for
this
organization
and
for
the
people
we
all
represent
a
this
is
not
about
handling
Robin,
because
that
is
not
my
style
and
but
can
I
I
thank
members
for
their
contribution
and,
as
I
say
a
even
at
the
very
last
stage.
J
I
ask
that
people
reflect
on
the
motion
before
us
and
the
implications
of
what
the
the
decision
we
may
be
just
about
to
take.
Is
the
chief
executive
highlighted
earlier
where
the
sports
officers
in
a
position,
be
it
on
a
professional
level,
but
also
in
terms
of
Western
time
and
money.
So
can
I
ask
that
a
when
we
do
go
to
the
vote
that
it
is
a
recorded
vote.
Thank
you.
B
Okay
members,
so
this
is
a
recorded
vote
and
we
I
go
through
the
process
again
and
we're
voting
on
The
the
original
rescinding
motion
right.
So
yes,
no
abstain,
counselor
Alexander,.
B
Okay,
members
have
been
told
that
this
may
try
and
to
speed
up
the
vote
by
not
calling
myself
on
each
time
to
call
each
member
I
can't
do
that
anymore.
So
you're
going
to
have
to
bear
with
me
I
thought
it
was
I'd
find
a
method
of
spading
up
the
vote,
but
unfortunately
not
so
I'm
going
to
have
to
come
back
to
myself
to
go
back
to
call
yourselves
so
counselor
Armstrong.
Q
P
E
B
F
H
B
B
All
right
so
members
we
had
13
members
who
voted
yes,
15,
who
voted,
no
13
abstentions,
so
they
motion
has
fallen
and
because
it
was
a
recorded
vote,
I'll
call
the
name
site.
So
the
members
that
voted
yes,
our
counselor
Alexander
Alderman
Barr,
Alderman,
Barry,
Alderman,
Burns,
councilor,
Evans,
councilor,
Ferguson,
counselor,
Flaherty,
councilor,
Johnston,
ornament,
Kennedy,
councilor,
Lavery,
councilor,
O'hanlon,
councilor,
Radcliffe
and
counselor
Kyle
Savage.
B
Those
members
that
voted
no
counselor
Donnelly
councilor
Paul
Duffy
councilor
Sarah
Duffy
Consular
hockey,
counselor
hawkian
Consular
Michael,
counselor,
Ashley,
Malin,
counselor,
Jade,
malam,
counselor,
mccordin,
counselor,
mcconville,
Walker,
keinsler,
Nelson
Consulado
died,
Consular,
okayen,
Consular,
Kyle's,
Kevin,
Savage
and
Deputy
Lord
mayor
counselor,
McGill
members
that
abstained
are
counselor,
Armstrong,
Alderman,
Baxter,
Alderman,
Greenfield,
Consular,
hair
counselor,
McClelland
counselor,
mcelross,
alderman,
moutre,
counselor,
Madre,
counselor,
Mulholland,
Alderman,
Rankin,
Alderman,
Wilson,
counselor
Wilson
and
myself.
Lord
mayor.
I
You
Lord
mayor
I'm,
just
I,
want
to
make
this
quick
point
because
much
was
said
during
the
debate
about.
Did
you
pay
vote
of
the
sinfian
originally,
and
that
means
that
the
dep
aren't
they
admission
fee
and
the
dollar
deal
regime.
So
I
just
want
to
ask
through
you
to
counselor
Radcliffe,
no
devoted
version
against
the
dep
Amendment.
Does
that
mean
you're
a
November
yeah.
B
L
B
Just
thank
you
again
for
your
time,
your
patience
and
each
one
of
you
safely.
Thank
you.