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Armagh City, Banbridge and Craigavon Borough Council Governance, Resources and Strategy Committee on Wednesday the 13th of October 2021 at 6.30pm
B
A
No,
I
have
an
apology
from
counselor
paul
barry
who's
had
a
family
bereavement,
so
we
sent
councillor
barry
our
condolences
this
evening
and
I
also
have
an
apology
from
the
chief
executive.
Are
there
any
other?
Apologies
members?
I
know
it's
a
hybrid
meeting,
so
I
have
two
screens
to
look
at
so
just
just
perhaps
with
us
for
a
moment
or
two,
but
if
there
are
no
other
apologies.
A
A
C
Thank
you
chair
good
evening
members.
Yes,
this
item
in
relation
to
diversity.
Champions
is
where
we're
asking
members
to
consider
the
content
of
the
report
and
agree
that
at
our
annual
agm,
both
the
lord
mayor
and
deputy
lord
murr
would
be
appointed
as
our
elected
member
diversity
champions.
There
is
a
regional
diversity,
an
equality
group
and
the
content
of
the
report
details
the
the
responsibilities
of
that
group
and
also
in
relation
to
the
diversity
champions.
C
That
is
a
key
feature
of
the
work
of
the
group
and
as
well
as
elected
members.
Also,
each
council
has
a
number
of
officer,
diversity,
champions
and
that's
something
that
we're
hoping
to
develop
over
time.
The
council
has
already
got
our
disability
action
plan
and
to
further
support
this
initiative.
The
council
made
a
commitment
in
that
plan
that
we
would
have
elected
member
diversity
champion
so
in
2015
the
lord
mayor
was
formally
adopted,
but
to
formalize
this
arrangement
and
to
continue
to
promote
the
initiative.
C
We
are
recommending
that
annually,
it's
the
lord
around
deputy
lord
mayor
that
are
appointed
and,
as
I
said,
there
will
be
all
the
work
taken
forward
in
relation
to
this.
Through
the
work
of
that
regional
group
and
locally
with
our
policy,
diversity
and
equality
officer,
mary
hannah
as
well
so
happy
to
take
any
questions,
members.
A
A
E
Not
sure
that's
working
either
there
we
go
here,
we
go
okay.
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
I
apologize.
I
I
did.
I
did
just
indicate,
and
maybe
I
was
either
too
fast
or
too
slow
to
catch
you
to
catch
your
eye
before
we
move
to
agenda
and
three,
but
it's
just
to
raise
a
slight
query
in
terms
of
the
order
of
the
papers.
If
I
can-
and
I
do
just
note
that
there
is
an
item
being
brought
on
7.2,
which
is
a
review
of
report
on
working
groups,
I
am
very
conscious.
E
G
Thank
you
chair.
Normally,
you
would
take
these
matters
when
they're
still
under
discussion
under
confidential
business.
It
is
a
matter
that
relates
to
the
the
business
of
the
council
and
individual
members
potentially
as
well.
So
that
was
the
reason
that
it
was
put
into
confidential
business.
Chair.
E
Yeah,
thank
you,
mr
chairman
sharon.
I
appreciate
that,
but
that
didn't
happen
previously.
There
was
quite
a
substantial
discussion
when
this
was
raised
at
last
month's
governance
committee
and
then
in
full
council
in
public
session,
and
the
detail
that
is
in
the
report,
as
far
as
I
can
see,
is
no
different
to
those
discussions.
E
So
I'm
I'm
just
relaying
that
to
you,
I'm
uncomfortable
with
that,
because
I
did
the
I
did
raise
it
in
public
and
I
don't
like
the
fact
that
it's
now
coming
to
confidential
business,
putting
that
on
record
I'm
in
the
hands
of
the
chair
and
the
rest
of
the
committee
as
to
what
what
should
happen.
My
proposal
would
be
that
it
would
come
back
into
the
the
public
agenda
for
the
meeting.
E
A
H
I
think
that
business
shouldn't
be
unconfidential
in
this
currency
unless
it
relates
to
staffing
or
one
of
the
very
set
criteria
that
there
are,
and
unless
the
officer
tonight
can
itemize
this
this
point
and
tell
us
exactly
why
it
shouldn't
be
and
the
public
demand.
I
would
second
the
proposal
that
it
is
discussed
in
the
public
domain.
A
A
I'm
not
seeing
anyone
animated,
I'm
not
seeing
any
harms
we're
in
agreement
members,
okay,
so
right
that
will
come
then
under
our
before
we
go
into
confidential
and
after
the
one
item
of
any
other
business,
okay,
members
back
to
the
agenda
in
hand
and
we're
an
item,
3.2
draft,
revised
risk
management
policy
and
it's
back
to
martina.
Thank
you.
Martina.
C
A
Okay
martina.
Thank
you
for
that
paper
members.
This
is
a
decision
item.
First
of
all,
are
there
any
questions
or
queries
or
comments
for
martina,
seeing
no
hansen,
no
lights
in
the
chamber.
We
need
a
proposer
for
this
members.
Please
propose
country,
cosby,
seconded
alderman,
mutre,
you
just
missed
our
counselor
library,
with
it
proposed
and
seconded
everyone,
and
agreement
members
thumbs
up
on
heads
check
at
northern.
That's
grand
another
decision.
Item
item
3.3
consultation
documents
from
external
organizations
martina
over
to
you
again.
Please.
C
A
A
A
A
D
I
Yeah,
thank
you
chair
and
I'm
not
going
to
hold
hold
you
back
too
quick
too
much,
and
it's
really
sure
out
of
frustration
that
I'm
raising
this
issue
tonight
on
behalf
of
the
many
young
people
and
parents
of
young
people
and
driving
instructors
who
have
been
contacting
me
and
many
others
throughout
the
pandemic.
Regarding
the
way
learner,
drivers
and
mots
have
been
treated,
I'm
not
going
back
over
past
issues.
Everybody
knows
what
they
are,
but
there
just
seems
to
turn
no
end
to
all
of
the
problems.
I
Just
during
the
past
few
weeks,
the
department
changed
the
appointment
portal
and
it
was
frustrating
enough
when
a
learner
was
trying
to
book
a
test,
don't
need
to
discover
they
had
to
wait
for
months
before
they
could
actually
get
their
test.
But
now
the
portal
has
actually
changed
in
that.
If
you
want
to
cancel
your
test
or
if
you
sorry,
if
you
want
to
change
your
appointment,
it
was
you
you
know
you
have
to
cancel
your
test
and
then
try
for
an
earlier
date
and
like
that
is
just
totally
disheartening.
I
I
The
price
had
increased
and
they
had
not
received
their
their
refund
and
sure
this
is
just
absolutely
disgraceful,
and
it's
only
when
you
experience
this.
You
fully
understand
how
this
is
actually
affecting
our
families
and
I
do
have
more
issues,
but
I'm
not
going
to
take
time
out
tonight
to
go
through
them,
and
you
know.
I
just
feel
that
as
a
rep,
an
elected
rep,
I
need
to
try
to
do
everything
I
can
to
make
the
department
a
lesson,
because
at
the
minute
any
response
I'm
getting
back
from
it-
is
we're
working
on
it.
I
But
what
does
that
actually
mean?
What
are
they
actually
doing,
and
all
I
want
to
know
all
I
want
to
know
is
from
them
how
they're
going
to
navigate
their
way.
Through
this,
I
propose
charlie
right
to
the
department
and
request
an
urgent
meeting
with
either
the
minister
or
department
officials
to
ensure
they
listen
to
us
as
local
councillors,
raising
the
concerns
of
our
constituents
and
requests.
They
outline
to
us
what
they're
proposing
to
encourage
to
improve
the
current
situation,
because,
quite
frankly,
it
just
can't
continue
like
this
for
another
12
months.
Thank
you,
chair.
A
H
H
Young
people
are
suffering
mentally
because
of
the
stresses
put
on
them,
and
I
I
would
support,
surely
that
we
write
to
the
minister
and
we
invite
the
minister
to
come
down
here,
because
if
minister
mao's
remembered
for
anything
she's
going
to
be
remembered
as
the
minister
of
diller
and
delay
throughout
her
tenure
and
that
really
it's
to
nearly
all
aspects
of
her
work.
Thank
you.
A
A
G
A
E
E
E
So
if
my
own
position
is
forfeited
on
that
on
those
working
groups,
then
so
be
it.
So
I'm
not
proposing
that.
I
would
add
myself
to
that.
So
it
is
the
alliance
party,
the
paul
berry,
plus
10
positions,
which
would
equate
to
three
for
the
dp
three
for
those
unionists,
three
for
shin
fian,
one
for
the
stlp
one
for
the
alliance
party
and
one
for
paul
berry.
J
Thank
you
chair
and
yes,
you're
you're
right.
We
did
have
a
good
discussion
over
this
update
at
the
government's
working
group
last
week.
So
don't
tend
to
have
a
lengthy
discussion
tonight
about
it.
I
think
I
would
like
to
propose.
We
go
with
option
four,
which
is
to
continue,
as
is
odd
and
counselor
cosby
as
an
additional
independent
member,
and
see
what
the
peer
review
group
and
the
review
that
comes
out
of
that
has
to
say
about
the
formation
of
working
groups
and
how
we
move
working
groups
forward
in
the
future.
K
Councillor
cosby's
proposal
doesn't
actually
achieve
proportionality
and
these
are
not
decision-making
bodies,
so
no
decisions
are
actually
made
here.
These
are
working
groups
that
are
intended
to
attract
a
wide
cross-section
of
opinion
from
across
the
parties
and
to
sign
board
ideas
before
reports
come
through
to
committee.
So
all
kinds
of
cosby's
proposal
achieves
is
to
actually
still
be
the
voices
of
those
smaller
parties
who
are
going
to
lose
representation
on
them,
namely
the
sdlp
and
the
alliance
party.
K
I'm
further
concerned
that
this
is
the
latest
in
a
long
list
of
decisions
that
have
been
taken,
which
I
view
as
attacks
on
smaller
parties
and
minority
voices
within
the
council,
following
on
from
the
attempts
to
limit
the
number
of
motions
that
could
be
brought,
which
again
adversely
impacted
on
smarter,
smaller
parties
and
our
ability
to
take
to
be
it
forward.
So
I
think
this
is
a
pattern
of
behavior
that
we've
seen
it's
a
power
grab
from
christopher
cosby
and
his
former
colleagues,
and
I
can't
support
it
on
that
basis.
K
I'm
much
more
minded
to
support
current
study
and
mackel's
proposal,
which
I
think
is
sensible
and
that
we
continue,
as
is
for
the
time
being,
and
then
we
see
what
comes
out
of
the
peer
review,
because
that
will
be
a
much
more
independent
view
as
to
what
the
optimal
form
of
governance
is
for
this
council,
but
I
can't
support
countries
through
cosby's
and
proposal
tonight.
Thank
you.
K
H
Yeah
thank
you
chair.
I
wanted
to
second
counselor
cosby's
proposal,
but
it's
rather
strange
and
ironic
to
hear
some
of
the
smaller
parties,
who
often
would
have
advocated
proportionality
in
times
past
now
trying
to
deny
it
because
we
have
three
parties
in
this
council
with
10
seats
as
we
currently
stand,
and
with
two
members
on
a
working
group:
that's
20
of
their
their
representation.
H
L
If,
if
a
anywhere
done
irony,
it
would
be
our
council,
because
if
councillor
cosby
is
the
only
one
that
I
am
aware
of
ever
has
put
out
motion
before
council,
which
denies
the
elect
the
people
that
have
voted
for
him
a
voice
on
any
a
on
any
group
or
any
issue
he's
also
a
come
forward
with
some
sort
of
warped
version
of
proportionality,
where
it's,
the
calculation
doesn't
suit
the
figure
that
he
wants
to
get
to.
So
then
he
decides
to
add
on
others.
L
After
that
hey
there
are
other
options
by
all
means.
There
are
other
options
tabled
in
the
paper
which
gives
proportionality
on
based
on
12
13
or
14
a
membership.
But
look
I
think
that,
rather
than
a
rush
to
the
decision,
I
I
think
counselor
michael
has
set
out
a
process
that
has
proposed
the
option
before
us
and
I
would
be
content
to
support
that.
That
means
the
decision
is
based
on
information
and
then
it
if,
if
there
is
to
be
a
change,
it
will
be
on
true
proportionality.
L
E
So,
just
on
on
that
point,
I
don't
actually
believe
country
tennyson
seconded
anything.
He
said
he
was
much
more
minded
to
support.
There
was
never
a
formal
second
thing,
and
I
raised
the
point
because
it
actually
is
important
in
the
process
and
how
who's
proposing
to
take
him
first.
So
maybe
the
officers
could
clarify
if
there
was
a
formal
seconding.
As
far
as
I'm
concerned,
there
was
not
and.
D
F
K
F
A
Members
for
that
short
interlude
yeah,
certainly
certainly,
I
am
been
told
by
the
officers
that
there
wasn't
a
formal
second
by
counselor
tennyson,
so
that
effectively
means
that
consular
cause
based
proposal
was
the
first
that
was
formally
proposed
and
seconded.
So
therefore
it
would
be
the
first
that
I
would
put
to
the
meeting
for
a
decision.
A
B
M
F
A
Members,
the
the
result
of
the
recorded
vote
is
in
favor.
Yes,
five
against
no
nine
and
abstain.
One
and
the
yeses
were
counselor
cosby,
alderman,
moderate
tinsley,
councilor,
wilson
and
myself.
Counselor
mcclelland
was
sure
they
know
they
knows,
are
against
work.
Counselor
flaherty
councillor
hockey,
councillor
hawkins,
councillor,
lavery,
councillor,
mackel,
councillor,
mckinstry
country
of
honolulu
country,
kevin,
savage
councillor,
tennyson
and
councillor
tolman
on
abstain
was
the
vice
chair.
J
A
M
E
A
E
E
What
I
will
say
is
that
I
am
astounded
at
the
unionist
other
unionist
members
of
this
council
have
effectively
voted
tonight
to
continue
the
dominance
of
both
the
sinn
fein
and
the
slp,
including
then
the
alliance
party
to
hold
a
majority
on
influential
working
groups
that
some
say
there
might
not
be
decision
making
bodies.
But
we
know
they
do
substantial
amounts
of
work
on
issues
across
this
council
and
that
is
contrary
to
the
democratic
wishes
of
the
electorate
of
the
abc
council
area.
E
But
yet
we
elevate
them
here
in
this
place
when
they
have
absolutely
no
objections
to
push
down.
And
you
know
for
contempt
upon
the
heads
of
unionists
in
other
cultural
areas.
I
think
it
is
shameful
and
the
ulcer
unionist
party,
who
could
not
support
a
proposal
to
reflect
the
democratic
wishes
of
the
electorate
and
abc
council
to
restore
democratic
order
to
the
working
groups
should
be
ashamed
of
themselves.
E
J
Thank
you
chair
and,
thank
god
that
episode's
over,
but
we
got
to
the
nub
of
it.
At
the
end,
it
wasn't
really
about
anything
other
than
trying
to
create
a
fight
between
the
dup
and
the
ulster
unionists
to
make
chrysler.
Cosby
seem
like
the
big
boys,
making
us
make
his
way
back
into
that
party,
thought
that
all
along
thought
that
all
along.
M
And
thanks
for
letting
me
in
churn,
I
suppose
I
do
need
to
to
respond
to
that.
You
know
I
I
take
part
and
attempt
so
many
of
those
working
groups,
and
I
attend
you
know
regularly.
They
very
rarely
don't
attend
and
you
know
that
they
are
opportunities
for
people
right
across
the
party
parties
to
discuss
the
issues
before
the
right
into
to
the
live
sessions
and
into
the
committees
when
the
decisions
are
made.
M
K
No
thank
you,
tara
and
that
mudslide
comes
from
ministry.
I
just
wanted
to
speak
briefly
on
christopher
cosby's
remarks,
though
I
don't
want
to
lower
myself
to
them.
Necessarily,
I
want
to
thank
those
parties,
the
austrian
unionist
party
and
shin
fear,
who
actually
wouldn't
have
lost
representation
under
the
arrangement
proposed
for
standing
up
for
inclusion
of
all
parties
on
work
groups.
I
think
that's
really
important
and
I
appreciate
all
the
parties
and
who
have
stood
against
this
proposal
tonight.
K
I
think
I
mean
ultimately,
this
has
never
been
an
issue
over
the
past.
You
know,
since
20
well,
the
council
was
set
up.
2014
2015
never
been
an
issue
until
the
alliance
party
became
represented
on
the
council,
so
I
think
it
is
a
direct
attack
that
actually
on
the
alliance
party,
because
an
election
is
coming
up
and
they
want
to
create
a
full
ride
and
between
parties.
K
I
also
think
counselor
god's
speech
remarks.
There
was
an
undertone
of
sectarianism.
Actually
in
what
country
cosby
said,
and
I
want
to
be
very
clear.
I
represent
people
who
are
unionist.
I
represent
people
who
are
nationalists
and
I
represent
people
who
don't
fit
into
either
of
those
boxes
and
I'm
very
proud
of
it,
and
I
will
not
be
shouted
down
from
my
role
and
my
positions
on
working
groups
in
order
to
do
that.
A
L
The
opportunity
if
councillor
cosby
was
genuine
about
increasing
representation
on
it
sure
there
was
option
discussed
prior
to
this.
Where
not
only
did
we
have
the
current
makeup,
but
we
then
added
counselor
cosby
onto
the
working
group
to
give
him
that
wee
bit
of
extra
bump
that
he
would
then
had
created
an
additional
seat
on
it.
So
do
you
know
what
I'm
very
proud
of
louise
mckinstry
and
nate
for
the
way
she
spoke?
I
I
thought
it
was
someone
who
was
a
true
democrat
who's
on
this
council
for
people
that
she
serves.
L
A
A
I
have
to
take
a
proposal
and
a
second
or
to
go
into
committee
for
the
consideration
of
confidential
items
of
business.
Oliver
moody
proposed
kevin
savage
seconded,
and
I
I
have
to
I
have
to
read
this
out
members
and
online
viewers.
In
accordance
with
schedule,
6
of
the
local
government
act
exempt
information.
We
will
now
be
moving
into
a
confidential
session
of
the
council.
This
means
that
we
will
be
turning
off
the
public
feed
of
the
meeting.
This
will
be
returned
when
the
meeting
is
restarted.
A
A
Thank
you.
It's
on
members
agenda
item
yet
any
other
other
relevant
business,
no
one's
animated,
no
hans
members!
That
only
leaves
it
for
me
to
thank
everyone
for
their
participation
this
evening.
We've
got
through
quite
a
full
agenda
and
thank
you,
and
I
wish
you
the
best
for
the
rest
of
your
evenings.
Thanks
members
good
night.