Ascension Parish, Louisiana Planning Commission, 12 Jul 2023

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Planning Commission - July 12, 2023

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Okay, this meeting is called to order. This is the meeting of the Ascension Parish Planning Commission July, the 12 2023 6 o'clock. P.M meeting is held at the Ascension Parish courthouse, 607 East worthy Road, Gonzales, Louisiana 70737 and the council chambers on the first floor. First item on the agenda is a roll call of the members Stacy. Would you do that? Please.

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Mark Villa president.

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Miller yeah Max Nassar.

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Clue what Julio Dumas.

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So let the record reflect that Vice, chairman Shaq Schneider is not in attendance, nor is commissioner Noel due to some personal uh situations they had. Next item is going to be the Pledge of Allegiance Mr Dumas. Please.

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Liberty and justice for all.

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The introduction of staff start with Miss Stacy.

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Stacy Webb recording secretary for the Planning Commission.

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Darius carry information technology, Spencer, Long, Parish attorney.

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Eric poche, director of planning and development Sean.

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Cherow engineer review agency, Lance, Brighton zoning official, okay.

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Thank you all Chairman's comments. The only comments I have is that if anyone wishes to speak on an agenda item, please go up to Miss Stacy and fill out a comment card.

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The next item is, in fact, public comment on any agenda item Stacy.

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No comments, staff reports subdivision status, thank.

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You Mr chairman, before I, do so division status. There's a couple of announcements I like to make uh one is that the parish hosted planning commissioner training on June the 24th, and there were approximately 20 uh people that that attended that it was very well attended. uh The second thing is is that uh sentient parish is hosting a and some events over the next several weeks, Ascension lessons and basically that's an opportunity for the folks to come out at various locations across the parish.

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Ask questions, get information about different departments and what what the Departments do to put forth any any ideas they may have. Staff will be there as well as Administration. There are five events all begin at six and end at eight pm. The first one is this: Thursday tomorrow July the 13th at Lowry, Middle School. The second one will be Wednesday July, the 19th at Dutchtown, High School. The third will be Wednesday July 26 High School in the in the gym.

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The fourth will be Wednesday August, the 2nd at the Elk Grove Community Center, and the last one. The fifth will be on Wednesday August, the 9th at the Gonzales Civic Center, and we encourage everyone to to attend uh the subdivision status report. You have in front of you the normal subdivision status report. Any any noted changes. It changes the noted with an asterisk.

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um Not really much has changed. We did get final flights for belsavon phase three B last month. uh No new subdivisions have been submitted since the last one a couple of months ago. If there's anybody has any questions, I'd be happy to answer them any.

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Questions from the commissions no questions. Thank you all right.

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The next item on the agenda, 7B, is also a staff report, and this is a discussion there's no action necessary from the Planning Commission. At this point, the discussion is amending the uni uniform Land Development code to address lot drainage and servitudes in major subdivisions. Yes,.

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Thank you, Mr chairman. uh The staff was asked a few weeks ago to take a look at a problem that that we have been having in part of it, I think came up when the the recommendation and the zoning commission to to revise offense ordinance came up with having public drainage, servitations and ditches in the real lots of subdivision. We were asked to come up with some some ideas for discussion.

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What you have in front of you is the staff report, try to put several different scenarios together with some points to consider for possible code changes, and basically it's it's open for discussion amongst everyone. That's.

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The zone, drainage.

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Defense deal it's kind of that's on Zone. Yes, was that I heard him say something about the Zone. Oh.

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That was just it was mentioned because of the fence item that.

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Was on the Zone? That's.

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Of problem, at the same time, okay,.

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Commissions, do we have any uh conversation, uh Mr Dumas.

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And Eric this is this is exactly pretty much. What I was looking for.

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I think that there's one one other one other thing that we need to look at and that's when, uh when a new subdivision is being proposed, adjacent to an old subdivision, where there's already an existing weird drainage and all of a sudden we're going to have a new subdivision where the grades are going to be vastly different, I I think that um we need to make sure that that the totality of that drainage easement is sufficient to provide access so that it can be maintained.

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Okay, so that's sort of like the one. The one um piece that's not included in here and as I was reading, this I thought all of this is exactly perfect. What needs to happen? We need to figure out what all we have to clarify to do this, but I think he also need to look at you know here. I am and I'll pick on two subdivisions just because it's a good example.

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You know you've got an older subdivision like Longwood well for 73, and you got Bell Cervantes going in and you've got a six foot plus gradient difference between the Finish elevation of those slots and the existing elevations along wood um and they're they're.

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Now to drainage easements there once required from Longwood the other one's required from they'll survival yeah, but is it adequate and and is there access to maintain that in the future um you know and that ties into the fencing issue, because if you go through along with these houses, where the fences on the property line, there's houses where the fence is on the drainage servitude line correct so um so I.

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You know, I, think that you know when you, when you look at at that condition, I think that's going to require a slightly different scenario than what the four that you present here. The four that you present here is spot on or what I think? Okay.

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Need to amend the code to do it's. My opinion.

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Any further conversation commissioners comments, questions, okay, we'll move on to the next item. Next item is engineering staff report, Mr Cheryl.

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There's no report this evening, no report.

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Okay, the next item on the agenda is the minutes: the approval of denial of the minutes of the June 14 2023 Planning Commission meetings. Second motion to approve of Mr Clue out second, by Mr Villa. He just barely beat you any discussion on those minutes scratch your Buzz, please yeah we're using them we're going to use the machine.

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Did everyone vote.

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There we go um okay, yeah. The motion passes five years.

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All voting yay next item on the agenda is the conjunct consent agenda rather I'm going to read those and I'll get back to you. Mr Miller, a is an Affidavit of mortgage declaration, Mark and Donna Broussard track 5 B1 B2 37, 377, Corner, View, Road, geismarck, Item B is Affidavit of mortgage declaration Bonnie hanno lot k15027 Jim, Myers, Road, Prairieville Louisiana, see final plat approval, Bel, Maison, quality engineering and surveying LLC.

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Do we have a desire to remove any item from the consent agenda.

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Mr Miller yeah I'd like to remove uh C item C is.

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That a motion yeah, we have a motion to remove item C final plot approval for Bel Maison from the consent agenda. You have a second.

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There you have a second.

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Always in favor of removing from the consent agenda.

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Yeah, let's go I, don't know that we have to vote.

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On this, but we are I, don't think I have to make a motion.

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No, but we're going to go ahead and do it anyway, so that um okay, all right, we don't have to vote on that.

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uh Bell Maison is approved, which- and that goes down to the final item on the agenda.

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So um consent agenda do I'm. Sorry, do we have a motion to approve the consent agenda? Of course, emotionally Mr Miller saying by Mr Clue on all those in favor, we'll have to clear the machine on that previous vote. I I call for a vote. It was apparently inappropriate or unnecessary. So we're just going to clear that and we're going to vote on the consent agenda.

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No problem: that's.

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Okay, if that's okay, that's.

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All right we'll do that. This is a vote on the consent agenda.

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Okay, that's approved five years, uh Dumas clue out, Nasser Miller Villa voting, yes, um shex Schneider, and uh no not in attendance. Next items on the agenda are the public hearings to approve a deny family petitions.

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The uh it goes yeah, but at the end.

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Public hearing to approve a deny the following family petitions: a is Rip, duplicity or duplessis, depending on how you like to pronounce it subdivision tracks: 10A 10, Bay, B and 10c Earls and Associates LLC Council, District, 10.,.

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Yeah James representing Earls and Associates of Gonzales Louisiana, representing Kevin gautreau on the following family partition.

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Okay, this is a public hearing on the rep duplicates duplessis subdivision tracks, 10A 10 B 10 C. Is anyone wish to speak?

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Okay. Public hearing is closed. Council members I mean uh commissioners.

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Yeah well motion to approve. We.

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Do we have a comment.

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Yeah, you saw the note that they have to put in the drive, because they're.

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Making it yeah I, don't think I, don't know if you've been down the road I think I think it's already in place. I.

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The very end turn it in throughout the plus. It's already asphalt, I just don't know if it's the whole 25 foot or whatever, but it's there's asphalt, leading off of Weber City Road, okay,.

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So they have to have that apron at.

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The front, yeah and I think most of it's already. There I just haven't measured it out yet so when.

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To build I believe they're gonna. They have to put it in.

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Okay, do we have any other discussion.

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I just wanted to ask all the other comments have been addressed. Yes,.

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Yes, okay, so we have a motion by commissioner clue out second by commissioner Dumas: let's cast your votes, please.

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Mr Clue, uh you need to cast your vote.

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Randy vote.

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Okay, the Motions approved five years, uh Dumas clue out; Nasser Miller Villa voting yay and commissioner Sheikh Schneider, and no not in attendance. Thank you next item Wendell Evans property tracks, 5B 1B, 2A and 5b1b2b Earls and Associates Council, District 3.

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Yes, sir, representing Mr Mark Broussard on the following family partition, we got roughly a 7.8 acre track here, 7.7 acre track and we're just cutting out one lot of it.

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Okay, this is a pub is there. uh This is a public hearing on the item: B Wendell, Evans property tracks, five b, one b, two a and five B1 B2B Stacy.

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Public hearing is closed. um Commissioners discussion or motion promotion, Kevin motion by commissioner Miller to approve second by Mr, clue out serve any discussion, no discussion. Let's catch the votes.

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Motions approved five years, two of us clue at Nasser, Miller Villa voting, yes and commissioner Schick Schneider I always want to call him. Commissioner wagonsback commissioner Sheikh Schneider and uh commissioner Noel not in attendance. Next item is Corey gitro property plus g6a through g6d Earls and Associates LLC Council, District 2., representing.

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Mr Corey gutro and the following family partition we're just taking roughly a three acre three and a half acre track; uh actually no Four Acre track and dividing up into three lots: four Lots three for his kids and he's remaining one where his current residence is.

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Family property around there, so we're going to be creating a 30-foot private servitude of Passage along the north. That's going to be accessing the property and they're going to be signing off on the map as well.

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Okay, this is uh public hearing on item 11c, Corey gutro, gitro property loss, G6, a through g6d Stacy public hearing is close, Commissioners discussion or motions.

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The comments being addressed, yeah.

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Any other comments questions.

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Do we have a motion.

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Mr Miller second I, missed a clue. What any discussion on the motion? Let's cast our votes.

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Motions approved six years: five years: I'm sorry, Thomas, Nasser, Miller, Villa voting; yes, commissioner Sheikh Schneider and commissioner no not in attendance next item on the agenda is 11: D, Bonnie, Hano property, Lots, K1 and K2 Earls and Associates. Yes,.

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Sir, representing Miss Hanover on the following family partition, we got roughly a one point: was a 1.5 acre track and we're just cutting out a lot for her daughter to put a residence right there at the corner, I believe the mobile homes already ordering it's on its way. Just waiting for this approval to she can move on the property.

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It's a public hearing on item 11d, bonniejano property lost K1 and K2 Stacy public hearing is close. Commissioners questions comments. Motion question about commissioner Dumas: okay,.

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You got a shed, that's partly outside the property. It's just a recognized non-conforming.

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Yeah I mean it's there, that's that's the existing property boundary on it on at Western sites. If it's existing and non-conforming.

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Along with the Treehouse, along with the tree house,.

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I make the motion to improve the motion about commissioner Germans to approve.

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Second, second by commissioner Miller any discussion on the motion: let's cash, your votes, please.

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Motion is approved. Five years still must clue out. Nasa Miller Phillip voting affirmative commissioner Sheikh Snyder, commissioner. No not in attendance. Thank you. Thank you. You've been a busy man item, 11e Jill, M Prejean and Helena P Evans property Lots, one and two GIS engineering, Council District One.

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uh Greg plays office with GIS engineering here to represent Miss, Jill, prejo and Miss Helena Evans. um Basically, what we're doing here, Helena and Jill both own this one track. It's approximately uh 46 acres and we're basically just splitting it with equal acreage lot. One on the west slide two on the east: um we're going to have a 30-foot access servitude running on the North to access both lot one and lot two so lot. One on the west will be the Helena and lot two will be for Miss Joe praja.

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Okay, thank you. Stacey public hearing is closed. I guess I should say this is a public hearing on item 11 e Jill and Prejean and Helena P Evans property Lots one and two no one's uh requested to speak. The public hearing is closed.

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uh Mr poche this. This petition conforms yes, sir. The death, okay, Mr Miller.

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You already have the right of way to go through that property to the West there mark rodrigue and Jacqueline. No.

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So that will so it's only going to pass through uh Jacqueline Migo, but that is family also, so that's gonna just have to be a new established uh servitude to pass through there do. They know.

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Yeah yeah, it's it's all family uh and.

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They're cool with it yeah, obviously they're not here to sign up to say no yeah.

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Well, it says 12 foot utility servitude, which is which was required to run alongside the uh the 30-foot access. Okay,.

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And that 30 foot is going to run on top of that 12 foot no.

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It's going to be adjacent to it right there yeah, so the 12 foot will be to the south of the 30-foot exit. Okay, yes,.

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Mr Miller, the the any property owner they will have to sign a map. That was a comment that would get back to him to make sure before they have their map recorded, because that was one thing that we missed originally, but the owners of the property that the the servitude crosses over we'll have to sign them.

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Back yeah I was curious, I didn't see any notes in the you know that y'all normally have the comments there. That alluded to it. So, okay, yes,.

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No, that was that was one. It was yes, that was one of the myths. Yes, sir, the name of being dressed.

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Okay, Commissioners any further comments. Questions.

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No do we have a motion motion by commissioner clue out second by commissioner.

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Have to be quick, okay,.

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Cast any discussion on the motion: let's guess our votes.

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All right, thank you. Five years, uh Dumas clue odd. Now, sir Miller fill a voting affirmative commissioner Sheikh Snyder and no not in attendance.

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Next item on the agenda is 11 F, Noah, L, Boudreau, Junior property, Lots rb1 through rb6 Louisiana land survey.

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Is there anyone here representing the NOAA L Boudreau Jr property.

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You're representing the you're representing the property, would you come to the coding? Please.

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And just now, this is this. This is just for clarity. This is not I'm, not asking you to speak in favor or against I'm, asking you to advise the commission on what it is that uh that you, as a representative of the property, is asking.

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Okay, okay, we're all partitioning uh Charles perfido estate property uh in Donaldsonville, and because we've had some interesting parties who live adjacent to it, who wants to purchase the property? There's five living heirs left to it, and uh we went through the Planning Commission through Mr poche's office edit surveyed, and got it now into these rb1 through rb6, Lots and we'll just here to see that happen. Okay,.

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Did you uh state your name, please Thomas profito Thomas and I'm Henry Boudreau Henry Boudreau? Okay! Thank you. This is a public hearing on the item: 11 of Noah L, Boudreau, Jr property, Lots rb1 through rb6 Stacy.

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Nothing public hearing is closed. Commissioners comments, questions motion, uh commissioner Dumas.

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Did I understand you right, you, you have these heirs that you're subdividing this plant and the the whole. This is all because they have interested buyers for these.

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Ones, yeah interests of buyers that are adjacent to the property and there's only five heirs left in the profito property and we're going to separate that accordingly, we have the rb1 to rb6 is two acre lots right.

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Basically, what it was was Farmland back in the day which is no longer being formed, and so what we want to do is subdivide it in order to sell the property.

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So wait, wait, wait, wait are.

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You finished okay, well, I mean there's 82 Lots in in this plaque. I said: that's a secret subdivision, I'm, not sure it's! It's a family partition, I know in the past. You know I take it. These slots are going to be dedicated to these errors and those heirs will in turn, seven. Is that what's going to happen, that.

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According to the final partition, rules is divided among family heirs. The Heirs were Justified, we contacted the attorney for the the family. uh Statements were submitted for succession, rightful heirs and the the other Lots. The only lots that are contained in this family petition or the two original lights that are going to be created. Four New Lots are going to be created. There's gonna be six Lots total all these Lots around here all have been created previously.

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You know not included in this division, they're just being shown on the map, as reference.

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Commissioner I'm prepared to make a motion whenever you want me to.

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Okay, uh commissioner Miller do.

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You own this property.

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Property that you don't own.

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It's an estate, it's.

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Upon on behalf of the estate and.

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Are you maintaining ownership of any of those lots? Are they all being I guess dispersed amongst the family? There.

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If it will be dispersed amongst the five remaining heirs.

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I think that's a part of the the partition also is that he has to maintain ownership of one of the Lots correct. Well, we have our names yeah.

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State, the.

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Estate owns the lights down is Distributing it to each of the five heirs. Okay,.

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No I, um what retract my thoughts, attractive things.

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Concerned about the adjacent lots and because early you had said that um those lots are interested in buying the petition property, but when you do the subdivision or the division of the Lots, there's I see a few Lots touching those adjacent Lots. So I was just how is that going to play out in the future? If three are touching and one buys that new sub, you know subdivided lot now they got to come back and.

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Once once the laws are legally created, then, if somebody lives adjacent to a lot, they can do an exchange of property. They can. They can purchase a portion of the property and combine it with their existing lot and leave a remainder that still meets the the size uh requirements for the zoning category.

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So it doesn't necessarily mean that each one of these two acre lots is going to be sold in total to one of the smaller Lots. They could split them up. They could take one of these lots and if you have three of the smaller lights, they could exchange and cut.

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This a lot of combined with each.

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Of the three small spots.

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Okay, Commissioner James.

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I might be honest with them I'm going to hold my nose and make a motion to approve I I think that the family practitioner, all-purpose intent of how many partitions is, is to Grant property. To to your to your to your children, essentially I understand that here we're clearing up the interstate there's. Only five remaining owners and and I can appreciate.

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You know the difference. Okay, um if this was a typical family partition, whether or for cell science I would couldn't support that. But um this is an estate. It's a different situation, so I'll I'll move to approve.

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So we have a motion to approve by commissioner.

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Sec one second, let me get a second and then we'll go into that. Do we have a.

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Discussion on the motion is each.

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Of those six Lots being named to one of the heirs.

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So and then they're able to.

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Do whatever they want? Yes,.

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That's correct each.

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Of the heirs will maintain ownership of the lot until such time as they decide to transact it once the lights are. There are no restrictions on the lights once there are lots of record there's no restrictions.

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Left in the trust it's each one is being named to each lie.

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Now so it'll basically leave the estate and go to each individual. Okay.

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Okay, any further discussion.

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A motion to approve.

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We're missing someone: oh there, we go okay,.

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Five years I keep saying six there's five years: uh Dumas cluart Nasser Miller and commissioner Villa commissioner Sheikh Schneider, commissioner, no not in attendance. Congratulations.

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All right thank.

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You not yet we have to go back.

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Going back to the item that was 10c, it is now 11 G, that is the final plat approval for Bell Mason quality engineering. It says someone here representing Bell Maison.

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Is there anyone here representing Bel Maison.

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Evening, Jeff Diamond quality engineering and Survey.

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Okay, thank you and you're. What do you have to say? What are you here to tell us.

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I'm simply here to answer questions, if you guys have any.

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Okay, uh well, um first thing: I'm going to do then is open the public hearing on the final plaid approval for Bel Maison. That's.

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Scratch that commissioners.

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Any questions, comments, motions I've, got a question.

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When, when we have an item on a consent agenda, all of the items have been addressed or.

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Would not be on a commission to approve, but let's get a second, then we'll do further conversation. Do we have a second but commissioner, commissioner, Miller yeah.

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So uh I guess Sean I saw your note. So you got a lot of heavy substantial work that you know there was some stuff that was caved in and all those have been addressed, y'all going out there and reinspected that yes, yes,.

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It's a combinational, various departments and internally, they all made sure everything was good enough. If not, they wouldn't be here.

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What about the uh the moving of the sewer does that have to come back for, uh like we did with no.

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They they have a, they have an agreement, they have an agreement, they gotta, let them know objection as we required from the adjacent property, and so that issue has been addressed, so they.

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Just moved it without our uh without having to come back to us, no.

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I mean it was a shift. It didn't go to to a a separate lot. Okay,.

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Okay, I have a I, do have a question, and- and that relates not so much to this particular request. But this was originally brought before the Planning Commission like eight years ago is.

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That seven yeah.

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Common that that.

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Is this is one of the last ones? This is the oldest one. This is the oldest one. We have I think one that one more that was in 2015 I think is, is the oldest one? This is this. Is the oldest one? What happened previously? We changed the rules.

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Probably Julio won about two years ago, where we actually Define the start of construction up until that point, if you had shown that you started construction, you had 24 months after your construction or after you, preliminated plaid had been approved to do your construction documents and start construction, uh and at the time our attorneys basically told us that if a developer goes out- and he turns over a shovel of dirt- that's considered construction because we didn't have it specifically defined. Whereas now we do so, you will not see a eight-year-old subdivision in the future.

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Coming before you for final client approval.

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So when this was approved eight years 2014.

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Governing the governing law would be the 2014 law, so any of the changes that that have been made since then correct have no impact correct. Okay, that was just from my own personal information.

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Question you just raised or comedies made. That's precisely why we said hey, we got to Define starter construction, where I've come up with something substantive. Yes, because this was ridiculous. You know they go out there and knock two trees down and that started. Construction.

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Do we have a timeline now that specifically says yes,.

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Well, the timeline Remains the Same, but the difference is they can't go out there and put a cover in and just turn up a couple of shovels of dirt. They got to actually start construction is.

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There a certain amount of work that has to be completed at each interval.

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It's it's specifically specifically defined.

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We stopped this.

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Okay and I think I'm sorry, but I think someone made a motion to approve Julio. Was it yes.

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I did yeah Julio, he seconded.

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It motion by Mr Joe, my second, my Mr Clue out to approve final plot approval. Bel Maison commission is any more question. Conversation cash, your boats.

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Five years, Bill Moss clue out Nasser, Miller and Villa voting. Yes, uh commissioner, Sheikh Schneider and no not in attendance and now um Mr Villa I would entertain your motion.

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Do we have a second if I, Mr Dumas any objection, no meetings to Jerry.