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From YouTube: Planning and Zoning Commission – September 14, 2023
Description
Regular meeting of the City of Asheville Planning & Zoning Commission.
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A
Foreign
good
evening,
everyone
welcome
to
the
September
14th
2023
meeting
of
the
Planning
and
Zoning
Commission
hunting
and
Zoning
commission
will
hold
public
comment
on
items
which
are
listed
on
the
agenda.
There
are
multiple
ways
to
comment
either
in
person
here
tonight
or
via
email.
We're
going
to
do
things
slightly
a
little
differently
this
evening.
Some
of
you
may
know
that
that
we're
in
a
little
bit
of
a
transition
period
with
bringing
on
some
new
Commissioners.
A
So
this
is
a
rare
opportunity
that
we're
the
current
chair
myself
is
still
here,
while
we're
in
this
transition
time.
So
I
am
actually
going
to
turn
the
rest
of
the
meeting
over
to
the
vice
chair
to
run
since
she
will
become
the
new
chair.
So
this
is
kind
of
a
chance
to
step
into
that
role
while
having
essentially
any
assistance
you
may
need,
but
I
don't
think
she
will.
So
with
that
in
mind,
Vice,
chair
Levi,
please.
C
C
C
C
All
right,
the
first
order
of
business,
is
to
review
the
minutes
from
July
19th
and
the
August
2nd
2023
meeting
the
Planning
and
Zoning
Commission
did
any
of
the
Commissioners
have
any
comments
on
those
meeting
minutes.
D
C
Okay,
the
meeting
minutes
for
July
19th
and
August
2nd
2023
have
been
approved
next
door
to
business
as
plan
review
and
it's
going
to
be
presented
by
Stephanie
Monson
doll
planning,
an
Urban,
Design,
reimagining
pack
square,
a
vision
plan.
E
E
Thank
you
acting
chair
and
the
rest
of
the
Planning
and
Zoning
commission
welcome
new
commissioner
Susan.
My
name
is
Stephanie
Munson,
Dahl
and
I.
Am
the
director
of
planning,
Urban,
Design
I'm
here
to
talk
to
you
today
about
the
pack
Square
Vision
plan
that
we
have
been
working
on
at
the
city
for
almost
a
year
now,
so
this
picture
that
you
see
in
front
of
you,
it's
a
pretty
beautiful
picture.
We
all
really
love
pack
Square
Plaza
and
when
you
look
at
it
are
these
ones
going
out
too.
Oh
yeah.
E
F
E
E
A
few
things
that
we
are
going
to
hopefully
learn
together
today,
and
that
is
that,
for
the
purposes
of
this
plan
we
were
very
successful.
We
had
five
purposes.
We
asked
the
consultant
to
work
with
the
city
and
county
on
and
we
were
successful
in
creating
a
plan
that
addressed
all
of
those.
Secondarily,
we
were
able
to
take
everyone's
input
that
we
heard
and
put
into
10
themes
that
are
going
to
be
able
to
guide
us
moving
forward
for
any
decisions
that
we
make
in
this
area.
E
Fourth,
is
that
this
Vision
plan
is
in
alignment
with
the
downtown
master
plan
and
the
comprehensive
plan,
which
should
be
germane
to
you
and
your
consideration
of
whether
or
not
to
recommend
that
city
council
approve
this
plan,
and
the
last
piece
of
this,
for
you
to
know
is
that
we
do
have
a
lot
of
momentum
moving
forward.
The
city
was
successful
in
getting
a
three
million
dollar
Grant
from
the
melon
Foundation.
That
will
help
us
work
on
three
different
aspects
of
this
project.
E
Here
you
see
the
five
purposes
of
this
plan.
They
have
to
do
with
repurposing
the
area
around
the
former
Vance
Monument.
Talking
about
equity
and
inclusion
in
the
larger
area
being
able
to
move
forward
with
the
design
process
in
the
future,
considering
that
this
is
a
very
special
area
and
that
we
would
need
some
public
private
Partnerships
to
be
able
to
propel
us
forward
in
a
way
that
goes
beyond
your
typical
neighborhood
park,
investment
and
the
last
part
is
just
being
able
to
connect
both
physically
and
mentally,
to
the
block,
the
sister
neighborhood.
E
One
of
the
things
that
I
want
to
pull
up
and
have
everybody
think
about
is
about
the
power
of
parks
and
public
spaces.
So
this
is
an
investment
for
our
future
and
a
lot
of
people
even
city
council.
The
other
night
recognize
this
park
has
been
designed
and
reinvested
in
for
many
years.
Hundreds
of
years
and
there's
good
reason
for
that.
It
is
our
living
room.
E
It
is
our
downtown
is
our
living
room,
and
this
right
here
is
the
heart
of
of
downtown,
so
parks
are
meant
for
for
many
things
and
they
can
help
with
economic
development.
They
help
with
social
cohesion
they're
very
important
when
it
comes
to
health
and
wellness,
and
that
is
why
we
make
special
investments
in
places
like
this
Community
engagement
in
this
process
lasted
for
about
nine
months.
We
had
a
variety
of
different
types
of
Engagement:
everything
from
one-on-ones
focus
groups
on
specific
topics
we
had
site
tours.
We
had
your
typical
kinds
of
presentations.
E
E
I
mentioned
that
before
and
I'll
just
say
that
those
some
of
those
things
that
you
might
expect
that
you'll
see
because
of
the
design
aspect
that
you'll
be
seeing
a
little
bit
later
later,
is
that
you
know
we
care
about
having
a
safe
environment
that
was
topically
very
important
recently,
especially
that
pedestrian
friendly
downtowns
are
important
to
people
and
that's
part
of
implementing
our
downtown
master
plan
and
our
comprehensive
plan,
and
probably
more
than
anything,
is
that
this
place
should
be
people
centered.
E
So
our
first
design
idea
is
really
about
this
people-centered
place
right
now,
when
you
go
to
pack
Square
Plaza,
it
feels
a
little
bit
more
like
it's
two
streets
with
a
little
median
in
the
in
the
middle
of
it.
So
we
heard
pretty
loud
and
clear
that
the
community
wants
more
spaces
and
amenities
and
activities
to
do
in
this
area.
Full-Time
and
you'll
see
on
the
top
left
a
concept
design.
It's
not
a
fully
planned
design,
it's
not
a
master
plan.
E
So
it
is,
you
know
not
even
if
it's
just
reflecting
and
relaxing,
but
that
this
is
a
space
for
people
and
it's
not
a
space
for
memorials,
markers
and
historic
signs.
It's
not
a
it's,
not
a
collection
for
things.
It's
a
place
to
collect
people.
Our
second
design
idea
really
talks
about
Public
Safety
from
The
Pedestrian
standpoint.
E
This
is
the
first
of
several
moves
in
the
in
a
kind
of
Transportation
theme,
which
is
to
say
that
even
just
the
crosswalk
as
you
enter
from
what
feels
like
the
main
primary
entrance
into
Peck
Square
Plaza,
it's
not
oriented
in
the
right
place.
People
aren't
Crossing
there
because
it
feels
unsafe
and
if
you're
I
wish,
we
had
a
better
picture
of
this,
but
you'll
see
where
the
lights
are
and
where
the
crosswalk
is
it's
just
not
intuitive
in
that
space
for
traffic
to
really
understand
who
should
be
going
or
where
they
should
be
stopping.
E
So
we
need
to.
We
need
to
address
that
simple
type
of
design
flaw
and
at
the
same
time,
we
need
to
focus
on
what
we
came
here
to
do
and
have
integrity
with
it,
which
is,
we
said,
we're
going
to
remove
the
Vance
monument
and
if
the
Supreme
North
Carolina
supreme
court
allows
us
to
do
that.
We
will
go
forward
and
do
that.
The
plan
also
includes
information
that
says
pretty.
Clearly,
we
had
a
consensus
from
people
who
participated
in
this
and
they
don't
want
to
see
the
Vance
Monument
replaced
with
another
Monument.
E
E
E
People
don't
know
that
that
is
a
public
space
and
you
can
see
a
tiny
sign
and
that
that
sign
is
right
where
the
the
property
line
is
so
if
we
can
get
rid
of
that
raised
lawn
and
provide
spaces
for
micro
businesses,
other
vendors
and
enjoy
the
same
kind
of
activity
that
happens.
When
there's
a
festival
there,
people
would
be
safer.
We
would
experience
a
better
sense
of
safety
with
eyes
on
the
park
and
eyes
on
that.
E
Space
and
we'd
also
be
looking
at
maybe
a
more
diverse
Economic
Development
climate
as
well
just
down
from
that
on
the
Eastern
edge
of
the
plaza
there's
another
race
lawn.
That
is
another
space
that
people,
don't
necessarily
realize,
is
a
public
space.
It
could
be
utilized
better.
So
we
heard
from
a
lot
of
people
that
having
a
space
for
healing
is
important.
Having
a
space
where
you
can
recognize
the
past,
harms
maybe
come
together
is
is
something
that
they'd
want
to
see
in
this
space
could
be
Ada
accessible.
E
It
is
not
now,
and
it
could
be
a
place
where
we
have
programming
with
public
art
and
where
we
can
tell
stories
about
important
people
in
our
community
and
the
same
time
bring
everyone
together.
So
that's
called
The
Meditation
Grove
closing
northpac
Square.
This
was
a
non-recommendation
recommendation
that
came
out
of
the
joint
City
County
events.
Monument
task
force.
They
added
in
their
own
study
report,
we're
not
supposed
to
tell
you
what
to
do
other
than
to
remove,
replace
or
keep
the
Vance
Monument.
E
But
one
thing
we
can
tell
you
for
sure,
even
though
you
didn't
ask
was
please
close
this
road,
you
don't
need
this
road.
Everyone
has
basically
agreed
that
what
you
need
is
spaces
for
that
building
to
have
loading
spaces
for
that
building,
have
Ada
handicap
parking
somewhere
else
and
that
by
doing
that
and
potentially
dropping
those
curbs.
So
it's
more
like
a
wunor
which
is
very
jargony
planning
term
for
just
a
pedestrian
friendly
Street
like
Wall
Street,
that
we
could
attract
more
people
here
and
increase
the
size
of
the
park
by
25
percent
immediately.
E
Additionally,
if
we
converted
College
Street
from
one
way
to
two-way
traffic,
we
could
get
a
lot
of
traffic
that
is
now
using
South
pack
Square
out
of
the
square.
The
only
reason
people
are
using
that
road
is
well
not
the
only
reason.
Ninety
percent
of
the
traffic
that
is
using
that
road
is
heading
around
the
curve
to
College
Street.
They
could
get
there
if
builtmore
be
if
you
could
take
Biltmore,
Avenue
and
Broadway
and
go
behind
the
Biltmore
building.
If
that
section
was
two-way,
it's
already
two-way,
all
the
way
up
to
Market
Street.
E
The
eighth
design
recommendation
is
to
connect
pack
Square
in
the
block
through
what
we're
calling
a
cultural,
Corridor
cultural
Corridor
ties
together.
All
the
disparate
elements
of
Storytelling
and
place,
making
that
are
already
happening
there
think
about
Triangle
Park
in
the
mural,
that's
hat,
that's
at
the
south
end
and
the
plaque
for
the
block
or
James
Vester
Miller
recognition
on
the
North
End.
What
ties
those
things
together
as
an
experience?
It's
also
a
way
to
say
like
if
you
look
at
that
picture
on
the
top
left.
E
How
is
anyone
looking
down
the
street
and
recognizing
that
a
totally
unique
and
special
place
lies
just
beyond
this?
They
don't
really
see
anything
other
than
a
place
for
parking,
maybe
some
trees.
You
cannot
see
the
ymi
from
this
location,
but
if
you
were
able
to
limb
up
some
of
the
trees
and
remove
some
of
the
parking
which
our
fire
department
is
definitely
amenable
to,
we
would
be
visually
connecting
things
for
people,
speaking
of
the
fire
department,
very,
very
important
use
in
our
downtown
public
safety,
fire
and
police.
E
At
the
same
time,
our
community
said
in
the
future,
could
you
possibly
think
about
moving
one
or
more
of
those
Services
out
of
there
or
changing
the
way
that
they
operate,
so
they
that
they
not
only
have
a
positive
impact
in
our
lives,
but
are
mitigating
the
negative
impacts
of
the
of
on
our
lives?
And
for
those
of
you
who
are
downtown
a
lot?
You
know
that
you
hear
sirens.
They
cut
right
through
the
middle
of
the
park
at
times
for
the
black
community.
E
The
way
that
things
are
coordinated
now
for
Public
Safety
because
of
the
street
configuration
you
cannot
really
have
festivals
or
special
events
like
how
goombay
used
to
be
on
South,
Market
Street.
You
really
can't
do
that
anymore,
so
they
would
like
to
be
able
to
do
those
types
of
things
like
other
places
in
downtown
are
able
to
do.
E
We
had
a
focus
group
that
was
just
teens
and
those
teens
basically
said
we're
not
interested,
and
your
Bronze
Statues
were
interested
in
interactive
environments,
we're
interested
in
learning
in
different
ways.
We
have
phones.
Now
we
don't
need
to
read
plaques,
and
it
was
something
that
sounds
really
simple,
but
it's
a
good
wake-up
call
for
us
that
we're
living
in
a
different
century
when
it
comes
to
place
making
in
the
middle
of
our
downtown.
E
We
also
heard
that
a
business
improvement,
district
or
Municipal
Service
District,
as
it's
referred
to
here,
would
be
a
good
option
for
the
city
and
county
to
consider
just
for
this
park
alone.
In
many
communities
it
takes
Partnerships
like
a
municipal,
Service,
District
to
even
program
the
type
of
festivals
and
special
events
that
people
want
to
see
so
that
promote
inclusive
and
Equitable
programming.
E
That
is
something
that
a
entity
like
I'm,
not
even
going
to
name
entities,
but
you
can
think
of
not-for-profits
that
are
local
that
might
do
a
great
job
at
pulling
together
some
more
inclusive
and
Equitable
programming.
As
you
probably
know,
the
city
of
Asheville
is
not
responsible
for
producing
many
special
events.
We
have
some
Signature
Events
that
are
Parks
and
Recreation
Department,
that
does
that
are
amazing,
and
then
we
let
the
community
do
the
rest
alignment
with
other
plans.
E
E
E
And
all
that
there's
a
lot
to
say,
I
think
if
you
walked
away
tonight,
knowing
these
four
things
that
this
plan
is
really
just
trying
to
say,
make
pack
Square,
more
usable
and
accessible
share
history
and
address
past
harm
in
this
place,
provide
new
experiences,
amenities
and
connect
to
the
block.
You
would
really
get
the
gist
of
this
plan.
E
G
G
H
A
Speaking
with
them-
and
they
were
also
I-
don't
know
what
the
right
phrasing
would
be,
but
they
were
interested
in
participating
in.
You
could
probably
say
it
better,
but
I
that
made
me
feel
good
great.
The
nature.
However,
many
hundreds,
thousands
of
years
history
of
this
being
the
crossroads.
E
Absolutely
over
15
000
years,
yes
and
Kimberly
Smith
from
the
Eastern
band
of
Cherokee
Indians,
is
on
our
advisory
committee,
so
she
or
the
outgoing
Chief
will
be
speaking
on
August
or
September
26,
which
is
when
Council
will
be
seeing
this
plan.
G
C
I
was
going
to
open
it
up.
Okay,
if
there's
no
further
comment,
let's
open
for
public
comment
at
5,
26
pm
go
ahead.
Yes,.
G
Please
thank
you
regarding.
G
G
I'm
very
sorry,
Charles
Roddy,
yes,
ma'am
regarding
pedestrian
safety.
Many
cities
in
the
United
States
have
pedestrian
underpasses,
where
in
repose
to
a
crosswalk
over
the
road,
you
may
pass
under
the
road.
G
G
Cincinnati
Ohio
has
a
lot
of
these.
They
generally
cross
joining
block
the
corners
of
blocks
crossing
over
in
in
between
the
streets,
so
the
pack
Square
area
could
be
accessed
more
readily
by
pedestrians
by
putting
these
pedestrian
underpasses
under
Biltmore
Avenue
and
in
other
areas
downtown
wherever
pedestrians
need
to
move
back
and
forth
more
readily.
G
That
could
be
audited
and
found
where
that's
necessary
mostly,
and
it
would
really
really
help
traffic
a
lot
if
people
don't
have
to
walk
across
the
street
and
it
would
tremendously
improve
the
safety
of
our
pedestrians
and
I
think
we
all
know
there's
more
and
more
every
year
in
downtown,
so
pedestrian
traffic
is
a
big
part
of
overall
traffic.
That's
that's!
You
know,
that's
my
comment
on
that.
Thank
you
for
your
time.
Thank.
H
I
H
I
H
I
I
How
do
we
do
that
here
are
a
few
suggestions
whenever
you're
testing
into
the
design
process,
design,
quest
to
Temporary,
fully
closed
South,
Park,
Square
and
North
Park
Square
to
vehicle
traffic
temporarily
close
vehicle
access
to
the
Patton
Avenue
Biltmore
Avenue,
Broadway
Street
intersection
at
the
Back
Square
Gateway
area
and
test
a
rewrapping
plan
create
temporary
and
inclusive
pedestrian
spaces,
interactive
spaces
and
Market
spaces
in
the
vehicle-free
pack.
Square
community
and
visitors
have
an
opportunity
to
interact
with
a
new
space.
I
D
I
know
I
only
have
three
minutes,
but
I
would
like
to
say
about
30
seconds
worth
more,
if
that's:
okay,
I'm
a
designer
and
a
fifth
generation,
Asheville
native
a
homeowner
and
a
resident
of
downtown
Asheville,
the
black
Square
Plaza
Vision
plan
I
think
is
brilliant
and
my
comment
is
really
to
prioritize
the
idea
of
including
testing
in
the
plan
and
that
testing
the
points
that
I
made
I
think
are
really
clearly
in
the
video
testing
being
an
economical
and
very
effective
way
to
see
what
might
work
before
making
commitments
that
may
cost
a
lot
of
money.
D
C
So
with
with
staff,
be
able
to
comment
on
that,
or
would
you
like
to
make
a
comment
on
public
comment?
No
wait,
I
will
say
public
comment,
ended
it
5
30..
Thank
you.
C
I
appreciate
the
presentation
and
the
comments.
I
will
say.
C
It's
I'm
curious
if
sustainability
was
brought
up
if
any
sort
of
different
materials,
water
features
or
strategies,
some
of
the
some
of
the
imagery
that
you
presented
early
on,
if
that
could
be
incorporated,
said
as
part
of
the
inclusivity,
at
least
in
my
mind,
so.
E
It's
a
good
point:
the
place
where
sustainability
came
up,
the
most
in
public
engagement
was
actually
during
our
design
charette.
It
was
talked
about
both
from
a
standpoint
of
making
sure
that
we
didn't
erase
all
of
the
trees
from
the
area
and
maybe
put
them
in
different
places,
really
consider
downtown
and
the
heat
island
effect
carbon
capture.
All
of
those
types
of
things
also
thinking
about
sustainable
materials
was
brought
up.
E
A
Thank
you.
Excuse
me,
I'm,
going
to
make
a
quick
comment
about
sustainability
too
I,
wonder
if
there's
any
way
to
not
take
everything,
that's
there
out
and
just
put
it
in
the
landfill.
Is
it
possible
to
reuse
repurpose
things
that
are
there?
Do
we
have
to
get
rid
of
all
the
asphalt?
Can
you
paint
it
make
it
a
part
of
the
campus.
E
J
Thanks
to
the
two
public
comments,
I'd
like
to
kind
of
second,
what
they
said
as
far
as
both
of
them
are
addressing
pedestrian
concerns
and
that
Crossway
I
can't
quote
it
off
the
top
of
my
head.
But
I
know
when
I've
looked
at
statistics
in
the
past,
Nashville
does
have
a
higher
pedestrian
accident
rate
than
other.
H
C
Thanks
Brett,
so
would
someone
like
to
make
a
motion.
L
L
Council
adopt
reimagining
pack
square,
a
vision
plan.
The
Planning
and
Zoning
commission
finds
that
the
request
is
reasonable
is
in
the
public
interest.
It's
consistent,
comprehensive
plan
and
other
adoptive
plans
and
meets
the
needs
of
the
community
of
the
community
in
that
plan.
One
Builds
on
the
existing
assets
and
history
of
the
study
area
and
context
of
the
pending
legal
decision
regarding
the
site
of
the
former
Advanced
Monument
two
creates
a
vision
that
values,
diversity,
equity
and
inclusion,
and
considers
how
the
future
of
the
area
can
support.
F
C
C
A
K
B
You
on
the
agenda.
B
C
I
make
a
motion
to
continue
item
number
four
on
the
agenda.
Minister
of
public
hearing.
It's
a
request
for
level
two
site
plan
review
of
a
new
six-story
multi-use
hotel
Building
located
at
22
Carter
Street.
The
property
is
identified
as
pin
number
9649-10-9027
in
the
Buncombe
County
tax
record
property
owner
is
Milan
CN
Asheville,
Hotel
LLC.
The
applicant
contact
is
Tony
Hauser
plenty,
planner,
coordinating
review
clay,
Mitchell.
Anyone
second.
A
C
So
we
have
a
presentation:
Mr
Palmquist
is
going
to
present
on
a
level
two
site
plan
review,
68,
Carter,
Street
and
just
for
everyone's
information.
This
is
going
to
be
for
technical
review.
Keep
that
in
mind
when
you're
making
public
comments
after
the
presentation.
Thank
you
go
ahead.
Great.
B
Thank
you
good
afternoon,
commission
will
pomquist
with
planning
and
Urban
Design
I'll,
be
presenting
this
ministerial
site
plan
and
review
for
a
level
two
project
known
as
Carter
Street
mixed
use
and
tribute
Hotel
project
located
at
68,
Carter
Street.
B
B
The
next
map
shows
a
little
bit
better,
some
of
the
surrounding
context,
so
this
is
kind
of
the
western
side
of
downtown.
You
can
see
Patton
Avenue
to
the
to
the
south
of
the
screen.
The
project
fronts
on
both
Carter
Street
and
Ann
Street
ahope
day
Center
is
just
to
the
south
of
this
property.
The
Salvation
Army
location
is
is
to
the
north
on
Haywood
Street,
and
the
existing
use
is
currently
a
surface
parking
lot.
I
think
for
the
for
the
former
or
before
used
to
be
the
citizens
times
parking
lot.
Now.
B
B
So
the
overall
site
plan
is
shown
here
with
some
more
information
about
the
project
itself.
What's
being
proposed,
is
a
new
eight-story
tall
mixed-use
building
it
would
have
115
hotel
guest
rooms,
which
is
the
maximum
number
under
the
hotel
overlay
that
it
exists
in
that
allows
for
large
hotels
up
to
that
size.
I
would
also
have
24
residential
dwelling
units,
16
000
square
feet
of
commercial
space,
165
parking
spaces
located
within
two
Underground,
two
levels
of
underground
parking
below
the
building
and
12
bicycle
parking
spaces
about
150
000
gross
square
feet
for
the
floor
area.
B
Essentially
just
kind
of
Orient,
with
North
being
up
Carter
Street
is
to
the
right
and
Ann
Street
is
to
the
left.
The
main
hotel
entrance
would
be
off
of
Carter
Street,
so
you
kind
of
come
into
the
under
the
building
at
grade
off
Carter
Street
there,
where
my,
where
the
mouse
is-
and
they
were
sorry
up
here
on
the
Northern
side
of
the
site,
the
Via
valet
area,
kind
of
a
car
Park
area
to
shuffle
cars
around
and
the
valet
would
then
take
cars
down
the
ramp
to
the
underground
levels.
B
The
residential
parking
would
be
located
off
of
Ann
Street.
There's
some
graphics
that'll
show
that
better
a
little
bit
here
too.
So
overall,
the
project
does
satisfy
the
requirements
of
the
underlying
CBD
zoning
District,
as
well
as
the
hotel
overlay
districts.
It
also
complies
with
the
Landscaping
requirements
for
mostly
regarding
Street
trees
and
also
will
comply
with
the
tree.
B
So
here's
some
better
illustrations
from
the
site
plan
showing
what
the
hotel's
proposed
to
look
like.
So
you
can
see
the
Carter
Street
facade
on
the
top
right
here.
You
can
see
the
two-story
front
of
the
building
on
the
main
entrance
to
for
The
Pedestrian
and
then
for
the
vehicular
access
with
the
rest
of
the
hotel
stepped
back
and
behind
that
portion.
B
So
that's
kind
of
a
hotel,
fronting
portion
of
the
building
top
left
is
the
view
from
Ann
Street
and
you
can
kind
of
see
in
the
bottom
right
hand
picture
a
little
better
how
how
they're
the
tallest
portion
of
the
building
is
is
on
Carter
Street
and
then
a
two-story
portion
actually
occupies
most
of
the
site
with
kind
of
the
vehicular
use
centered
and
screened
in
the
middle.
There
is
retail
proposed
along
this
section
of
Ann
Street.
B
The
residential
parking
entrance
is
located
here
here,
just
some
kind
of
angled
views
of
and
Street
looking
looking
South
and
Street
looking
a
little
bit
to
the
north
and
the
Carter
street
views
of
that
proposed
building
as
well.
B
B
It
was
informally
reviewed
by
the
downtown
commission
at
its
April
14th
meeting,
where
they
expressed
their
overall
support
with
providing
some
comments
and
feedbacks
feedback
on
the
design
going
forward,
and
it
was
reviewed
three
times
formally
at
the
design
Review
Committee,
since
it
is
a
level
two
Hotel
project
in
the
hotel
overlay
for
the
project
to
move
forward
without
having
to
get
Council
approval
it.
It
did
need
an
affirmative
vote
by
the
design
review
committee.
B
So
it
was
continued
at
both
the
April
and
May
meetings
before
being
approved
with
conditions
at
the
July
20th
meeting
staff
finds
that
all
technical
standards
have
been
or
are
able
to
be
satisfied
and
recommends.
Approval
of
this
level.
2
ministerial
site
plan
review
and
I'm
glad
to
answer
any
questions
you
may
have.
B
M
A
A
A
Mr
funquist,
you
may
know
where
this
is,
if
not
I'm
sure
I
see
Mr
pauser
over
there
I
know
he's
with
applicant,
where
I'm
trying
to
find
where
the
trash
dumpster,
that
is
I
thought
it
I
thought
I
knew
where
it
was,
but
it
turns
out.
That's
where
the
Transformers
are.
So
that's
the
only
I
was
thinking
it
was
down
there,
but
it's
Transformer.
So.
M
M
The
trash
will
be
handled
from
within
the
parking
deck
and
will
be
rolled
out
on
the
days
that
it's
collected.
Okay,.
A
J
H
F
I've
got
one
question
for
the
applicant
I've
asked
this
before
on
these
ministerial
hotel
reviews,
the
public
benefits
that
are
required
as
a
part
of
approval.
Don't
they
don't
need
to
be
filed
with
the
city
until
the
CEO,
but
is
the
applicant
willing
to
discuss
what
public
benefits
will
be
provided
as
a
part
of
this
project?.
M
The
public
benefits
for
this
development
will
be
provided
through
a
per
room
fee
for
the
affordable
housing
program,
and
this
that
gets
I.
Think
210
of
the
220
required
I
can't
recall
what
the
what
the
last
10
or
I
think
we're
exceeding
the
requirement
by
20
points,
or
so
it
was
either
public,
art
or
I.
Can't
remember
what
the
other
one
is
so
I'd
be
happy
to
provide
that
afterwards.
C
C
Okay,
well
then,
let's
close
public
comment
at
5
50
pm.
Would
anybody
like
to
make
a
motion.
J
L
C
Next,
step
on
the
agenda
is
a
zoning
map
Amendment
a
request
to
conditionally
rezone
property
located
at
115
Fairview
Avenue
from
Urban
Village
UV
to
residential
expansion,
conditional
Zone
res
exp.
The
property
is
identified
as
as
pin
number
9647-99-447
and
the
Buncombe
County
tax
record.
The
property
owner
is
Robertson's
daughter's
LLC
applicant
contact
is
Sean,
Saints
planner,
coordinating
review
clay,
Mitchell.
N
N
This
is
a
proposed
rezoning
to
change
the
zoning
from
the
current
designation
of
Urban
Village
to
the
new
residential
expansion
conditional
Zone,
here's,
the
annual
aerial
imagery
I'm
sure
many
people
are
familiar
with
this.
N
It's
across
I've
blown
taken
the
step
out
on
the
image
on
the
right,
so
that
you
can
see
the
context
it's
across
the
street
from
the
development
known
as
the
district
and
and
very
close
to
to
Biltmore
Village
and
so
there's
a
lot
of
transition
on
either
side
of
this
partial
parcel
both
to
commercial,
direct,
mixed
use
on
individual
parcels
and
down
into
The
Pedestrian
focused
Biltmore
Village
on
to
to
the
right
in
the
image
you
see
the
transition
to
a
medium
density,
single
family
home.
N
So
it's
a
it's
an
area
of
transition
that
that
is
important
when
I
go
over
some
of
the
future
land
use
and
the
comprehensive
plan
compliance
issues
it
it
is
future
land
use
designated
as
Town
Center.
N
The
Town
Center
has
an
extensive
amount
of
text
treated
to
it
to,
to
summarize
bluntly,
the
Town
Center
future
land
use
designation,
calls
for
a
mix
of
uses,
high
density,
diverse
residential
uses
and
a
connection
and
orientation
to
the
public
realm,
given
the
nature
of
the
development
and
how
it
fits
within
that
transitional
location
in
the
the
maintenance
of
existing
sidewalks
and
the
the
railroad
really
creates
kind
of
a
break.
So
you
know
any
kind
of
connection
that
we
think
about.
N
This
is
an
overview
of
the
site
plan.
It's
the
I
always
find
that
the
Landscaping
plans
are
are
some
of
the
best
to
look
at
it's
an
8.25
acre
parcel,
there's
Frontage
on
both
West
View
Road,
as
well
as
Fair,
Westview
Avenue,
as
well
as
Fairview
Road.
N
The
main
access
is
off
Fairview
Road,
you
can
see
the
end
and
looking
at
the
screen
left
at
the
top
is,
is
the
new
connection
and
I'm
going
to
defer
to
the
applicant
on
the
status
of
the
traffic
study
about
whether
that
debt
new
dedicated
left
turn
is
going
to
come
in
there's
been
some
changes,
transportation
department
has
been
working
with
the
applicant
on
the
configuration
of
that
intersection.
N
The
the
length
of
the
access
throat
is
subject
to
one
of
the
technical
modifications
which
will
go
in
it's
a
little
bit
shorter
because
of
the
configuration
of
the
parcel.
It's
kind
of
an
odd
shaped
parcel,
and
so
the
applicant
has
done
a
a
good
job
of
getting
balancing
the
issues
of
fitting
that
development
into
the
parcel
and
maintaining
some
of
our
requirements.
What
you'll
see
in
the
lower
right
hand,
portion
of
the
image
is
a
secondary
access.
This
is
a
gated
controlled
fire.
N
N
In
order
to
achieve
the
density,
the
applicant
is
proposing
a
20
affordability
units
they're
coming
in
at
a
density
of
34
34.1.
With
that
standard
they
could.
The
the
cap
is
at
58
50
units
per
acre.
The
total
development
is
269
apartment
units
and
12
townhome
units.
The
three
buildings
that
you
see
that
are
very
similar
in
a
line
are
four
plexes,
each
with
townhomes
in
them
and
I
I
believe
under
garages
as
well.
N
N
Additionally,
the
current
impervious
coverage
is
30
at
the
end
of
the
development
that
it
will
increase
to
57.
You
see
there.
The
the
stories
of
the
buildings
building
two
is
the
is
the
larger
building
that
the
kind
of
boomerang
shaped,
I,
guess
I,
don't
know
what
shape
that
is.
It
is
the
larger
building
it.
It
is
five
stories
the
building
to
the
north.
The
large
building
one
is,
is
built
a
little
bit
into
some
topography
there.
N
So
it's
a
split
between
four
and
five
stories
and
then
the
four
plexes
are
each
three
stories:
the
ancillary
building
off
the
edge
of
building
two
there,
and
that
that
why
is
everybody
challenging?
Those
shapes?
Trapezoidal
type
thing
is,
it
is
a
swimming
pool
and
the
building
is
serves
that
swimming
pool
and
also
there
will
be
some
common
amenities
for
the
residents
of
the
development.
N
The
the
applicant
has
worked
well
with
City
staff
to
develop
contiguous,
open
space,
Open
Spaces
that
exceed
our
requirements.
Tree
canopy
protection
is
a
mix
of
planting
and
preserved
spaces.
You
you
do
might
notice
that
white
triangle
at
the
bottom.
That's
railroad
right
of
way
that
gets
taken
out
of
our
requirements,
so
there'll
be
no
incursion
into
that
location.
None
of
that
is
used
for
calculations
because
of
that
setback,
and
so
in
the
upper
right
again.
N
N
Here's
some
rendering
so
for
this
rendering
we're
entering
the
site
from
Fairview-
and
you
see
the
amenity
building
on
the
right,
followed
by
the
larger
building,
did
I
get
that
right,
yeah
and
then
the
the
split
level
building
see
the
five
stories
on
on
the
right
side
of
the
building
on
the
left,
and
then
it
it.
You
see
a
small
retaining
walls.
The
topography
raises
up
towards
Fairview
and
in
the
distance
in
this
image
you
can
see
the
four
plexus
I
have
some
greater
details.
These
are
the
architectural
renderings.
N
This
is
the
North
four
or
five
story,
building
immediately
adjacent
to
Fairview.
This
is
the
large
building
in
the
center
of
the
development.
Remember
there
are
wings
to
the
building.
It's
not
one
big
giant
rectangle
that
actually
Curves
in
a
little
bit
into
the
site,
and
then
this
is
a
representation
of
the
town
home
buildings
with
the
under
parking
technical
modifications.
In
addition
to
our
standard
conditions,
includes
work.
A
lot
of
modifications
associated
with
the
sidewalks
there'll,
be
five
foot
sidewalks
internal
to
the
site.
N
It's
as
opposed
to
normal
10.
This.
This
gives
the
developer
the
flexibility
to
provide
a
balance
of
amenities.
It's
also
more
in
scale
with
the
development.
The
only
required
10-foot
sidewalk
along
Fairview
is
is
being
proposed
as
five
feet,
because
there
is
an
existing
five
foot
sidewalk
with
a
planting
strip
already
on
Fairview
and
and
they
will
maintain
that
and
replant
Street
trees
in
that
planting
strip.
N
So,
if
that,
when
the
road
is
moved
because
of
the
expansion
that
planting
strip
will
be
preserved
and
that
that
provides
a
buffer
between
the
sidewalk
and
the
roadway
and
that
carries
down
down
on
beyond
the
project
as
well
and
I
should
have
mentioned
this
earlier
I'm
sorry,
there
is
a
bus
stop
on
both
sides
of
the
street
immediately
adjacent
to
this
project.
There
is
one
relaxation
of
a
front
setback
which
we
believe
is
consistent.
N
This
brings
the
building
closer
to
the
roadway,
providing
more
of
that
scope
and
scale
of
being
closer
to
The
Pedestrian
amenities
that
the
distance
of
this
stacking
area
or
the
throat
of
the
entrance
onto
bear
view
would
normally
be
90
feet
and
the
applicant
is
asking
for
a
50-foot
minimum,
which
was
reviewed
and
supported
by
Transportation.
There
will
be
no
bike
Lanes
into
the
development.
There
are
no
bike
Lanes
on
Fairview.
It
is
a
relatively
narrow
road
when
to
accommodate
the
to
accommodate
the
traffic
Lanes.
N
So
it's
it's
not
currently
scheduled
for
expansion
of
bike
facilities
at
this
time,
and
then
you
see
the
affordability
components
of
the
of
the
conditions
over
on
the
right.
80
percent
area
mean
an
income
and
the
20-year
restriction
to
be
recorded
in
terms
of
the
comprehensive
plan
goals.
This
is
what
I
was
talking
about.
This
is
a
lot
I
think
we
see
this
a
lot.
It
encourages
responsible
growth
by
providing
infill
development.
N
Procedurally,
this
application
visited
the
technical
Review
Committee
three
times
twice
in
July
and
then
in
August
21st.
It
was
approved
with
conditions
and
forwarded
to
this
Commission,
based
on
all
that
information
and
the
work
that
both
the
applicant
and
staff
have
done.
We
recommend
approval
of
the
proposed
conditioning
conditional
zoning
with
the
project
conditions
in
exhibit
e
and
the
applicant
team
is
over
there
tonight.
Thank
you
for
being
here.
J
J
Such
thing
I'd
be
interested
of
what
their
opinion
or
not
that
they
have
leeway
over
this,
but
I
just
be
curious
if
this
kind
of
Falls
within
their
vision
of
what
they're
recommending
that's
just
a
comment
in
general,
the
question
I
had
was
the
bus
stops.
Are
those
existing
or
those
new
ones
being
put
in.
N
B
N
I
A
K
N
A
Right
off
the
edge
I,
just
oh
one,
other
question
do
do
you
know
and-
and
the
applicant
may
know
this
as
well.
Do
you
know
if
there
was
any
discussion
revolving
around
traffic
about
potentially
and
I
I
almost
hesitate
to
ask
potentially
improving
pedestrian
access
across
Fairview
Road,
knowing
that
in
the
district
there
is
a
new
coffee
shop?
There's
also
a
fitness
place
like
I
could
see
people
walking
across
that
and
if
there's
going
to
be
some
turn
lane
and
potentially
Islands,
or
is
it
just
markings
to
create
that
turn
lane?
N
Was
not
a
part
of
the
technical
Review
Committee
discussion
but
I
I'm
not
privy
to
the
the
Tia
traffic
impact
analysis,
I,
believe
deep
I
guess
have.
O
Good
evening
my
name
is
Derek
Allen
and
I
represent
the
Development
Group
I
do
have
members
of
the
Development
Group
Catalyst
here,
Bo,
McIntosh
and
John
Bell
are
both
here
as
well
as
Chris
Day
from
our
civil
Design
Concepts.
Our
engineer
and
he'll
be
answering
a
lot
of
those
technical
questions,
particularly
as
they
relate
to
dot
a
couple
of
things.
I
wanted
to
to
address
that
came
up
very
quickly
at
the
end
on
the
bus.
Stop
it's
not
on
our
property,
we'll
take
a
look
see
who
owns
it.
That's
something!
O
That's
that's
easy
enough
for
us
to
do
and
would
be
an
attribute
to
the
to
the
development
for
the
future
residents
and
on
dot
same
that
mid
block,
Crossing
I
know
that's
typically
frowned
upon,
but
that's
a
DOT
decision,
and
that
is
a
Asheville
dot
decision.
Not
not.
The
state
I
did
want
to
also
put
out
there
that
we
are
pushing
through
Luigi's
program
for
this
particular
property.
You'll
see
those
familiar
numbers
of
20
of
the
units
at
80,
Ami
restricted
for
at
least
20
years.
O
The
big
challenges
on
this
property
really
result
from
the
shape
and
the
railroad.
It's
a
weird
shape.
I,
don't
know
what
shape
that
is.
I,
don't
know
how
many
sides
it
is
I
do
know
that
this
property
is
one
of
a
few
properties
that
were
zoned.
Urban,
Village
and
I
had
to
look
up
Urban
Village,
and
there
was
only
three
ever
approved.
O
One
of
them
is
Biltmore
Park,
that's
the
only
one
I
was
ever
built,
the
other
ones
behind
Isaac
Dixon,
and
this
one
this
one,
a
big
portion
of
it,
was
sold
off
and
so
the
master
plan
that
goes
with
this
particular
Urban
Village
designation
was
busted
whenever
that
was
sold
off
and
so
you're
left
with
this
Remnant
parcel,
that's
a
weird
shape.
O
O
The
turn
lane
there
was
a
question
about
that
that
turn
lane
is
on
the
ncdot
has
finally
approved
or
given
final
approval
of
the
traffic
impact
analysis
that
the
Davenport
firm
had
had
prepared,
and
that
is
on
file
with
the
city
and
one
thing
I
would
point
out
on
those
technical
modifications.
There's
always
this
give
and
take
of
staff,
and
they
were
great
to
work
with
on
this
project.
O
But
one
department
will
want
something
and
we'll
have
to
make
a
modification
to
make
it
work,
and
so,
when
we
want
to
pull
those
buildings
closer
in
or
we
want
to
turn
lane,
then
that
pinches
in
the
front
of
the
property,
and
so
we
ask
for
that
reduction
in
the
sidewalk.
In
this
particular
instance,
there's
one
already
there
that
made
made
a
lot
of
sense
in
terms
of
the
other
one.
The
sidewalk
orientation
tent,
but
wide
sock
walks
within
apartment,
complex,
doesn't
make
a
whole
lot
of
sense.
O
I
would
rather
use
that
room
for
amenities
and
parking
and
being
able
to
pull
the
buildings
out
of
otherwise
designed
open
space
with
that,
I
would
like
to
introduce
Chris
day
to
talk
through
kind
of
the
technical
aspects
of
what
looking
at
here
and
why
things
are
where
they
are
and
where
our
trash
receptacle
is
look
at.
It.
H
P
Thank
you
once
again,
clay
does
my
job
way
better
than
I
do,
and
so
my
name
is
Chris
day
I'm
a
civil
Design,
Concepts
I,
wanted
to
just
add
a
couple
of
things.
As
clay
just
pointed
out
and
pulled
up
on
Google
Street
View,
there
is
an
existing
mid-block
crosswalk
right
there
at
the
district,
so
that
works
out
really
well,
as
clay
already
mentioned.
P
As
you
look
at
this
site
from
the
East
to
the
West,
the
we
are
right
up
against
Westfield
and
we
are
maintaining
existing
trees,
we're
also
supplementing
those
trees
with
a
buffer
against
those
residences.
And
then
we
have
pulled
our
site
down
on
the
east
side,
taking
that
dirt
filled
it
over
on
the
West
Side
to
try
and
really
you
know,
maintain
the
the
visibility
for
those
neighbors.
P
We
heard
that
at
the
neighborhood
meeting
that
there
that
was
their
concern,
they've
really
got
some
great
as
the
as
the
topography
drops
off
from
the
Oakland
neighborhood
down
into
Biltmore.
Village
they've
got
some
great
views,
and
so
we
really
oriented
our
buildings,
our
taller
buildings,
away
from
the
residential
side
of
the
site,
to
try
and
minimize
any
impact
on
them.
There
is
as
clay
made
reference.
There
is
a
lot
of
topography
here
going
on
along
Fairview
Road.
We've
got
about
35
feet
of
elevation
change
from
the
right
side
to
the
left
side.
P
That's
why
the
building
is
kind
of
stepped
into
the
hill.
That's
why
it's
pulled
off
up
along
Fairview
Road,
you
know
in
a
perfect
world
we
would
try
to
find
a
way
that
we
were
up
against
Fairview
Road
kind
of
like
the
district
is
on
the
other
side,
the
advantage
the
district
has
is
there
on
the
uphill
side,
whereas
we're
down
in
a
hole
on
that
that
South
Side
so
pulling
that
away
allows
for
it
to
work
better.
P
The
comment
and
question
came
up
and
we
verified
today
with
Chris
Carnes,
the
city
traffic
engineer,
the
left
turn
lane
will
be
installed
and
it's
as
the
the
plans
that
are
up
here.
It
does
represent
that
that
is
just
striping
associated
with
that
left
turn.
P
There's
there's
not
a
if
we're
going
to
put
curbing
I'd
like
it
to
be
just
a
little
bit
of
a
water
Road
out
there
and
we
don't
have
the
the
greatest
canvas
there
to
work
with,
but
we
do
have
enough
room
to
get
that
left
turn
lane
in
other
than
that.
P
Everything
else
is
a
pretty
typical.
No
issues
with
sewer
we've
got
really
high
pressures.
Great
water
pressures
out
here:
storm
water.
There
is
an
increase,
we're
still
well
below
the
allowable
impervious
surfaces,
but
all
of
those
that
post
construction
runoff
will
be
managed
and
maintained
and
treated
in
accordance
with
the
city
guidelines
and
with
that
I'm.
Here
for
any
questions
that
you
guys
have.
J
I
have
a
question
about:
have
you
been
in
contact
with
the
railroad
already
I'm
asking
not
because
I
know
you're
not
touching
the
right
away,
but
I
was
involved
in
a
project
down
the
street
commercial
project
that
I've
had
to
get
in
contact
with
the
railroad
and
make
sure
they
understood
we
weren't
getting
in
the
right
way
and
all
that
stuff?
Have
you
started
that
conversation
so.
P
I've
all
up
and
down
I've
dealt.
You
know
we're
right
at
the
area
where
we
switch
from
Norfolk
Southern
to
Watco
Blue
Ridge.
They
are
much
easier
to
because
I
was
going
too
yeah.
So
so,
as
you
get
into
Blue
Ridge
and
Watco,
they
are
way
more.
Responsive,
I
can't
say
that
it's
easier,
but
there
is
a
open
line
of
communication,
but
we
are.
We
have
touch
base
where
we
know
where
we
are
there
and
they're
they're
aware
of
it,
and
luckily
we're
not
it's
it's
not
any.
P
P
The
traffic
study
was
should
have
been
submitted.
I
know
your
staff
report
included
the
final
determination
of
the
traffic
study
and
a
couple
of
summary
pages
I'm,
not
sure
if
the
rest
of
it
is
in
the
Google
Drive.
F
I
just
got
a
quick
question
on
the
affordable
housing
component,
I
think
normally
the
projects
that
seek
the
luige
include
sort
of
a
redundant
provision
in
the
project
conditions
about
voucher
acceptance.
F
K
O
Yeah
and
we're
working
on
that
Matrix
right
now
at
the
points,
but
we'll
have
the
homeless
by
name
and
the
voucher
considerations
in
that
Matrix
point
we'll
work
on
that
letter
right
this
right
now.
J
Another
question
I
had
was
on
the
the
quad
plexes
and
the
affordable
housing
for
the
percentage
that
is
going
to
be
affordable
housing.
Is
that
just
going
to
be
the
apartment
units
or
some
of
the
Quad
Plex
is
going
to
be
incorporated
in
that
of
kind
of
curious?
If
there
is
any
thoughts
at
this
point.
P
Like
I
said
and
like
Derek
made
reference,
we're
still
in
the
process
of
the
of
that
application
and
I,
don't
know
if
the
the
units
have
been
identified
yet,
but
definitely
take
note
of
your
interest
on
that.
C
Also
I
wanted
to
point
out
one
of
the
technical
modifications
and
the
staff
report
is
no
longer
being
a
part
of
that.
The
one
about
preserving
and
consisting
zoning
that
has
been
modified
to
not
be
and
yeah.
N
A
A
One
comment
I'd
like
to
to
tag
on
to
something
commissioner:
Faircloth
mentioned
about
the
town
homes
when
I
think
of
town
homes,
I,
think
potential
for
sale
units
and
if
they
end
up
becoming
for
sale
units
I
would
love
to
see
at
least
one
out
of
12,
be
at
that
affordable
level.
I
think
affordable
for
sale
is
even
harder
to
find
in
this
town.
So
just
proposing
that
I
know
that
that
mix
is
still.
A
You
know,
I
guess
I'm,
just
throwing
it
out
there
as
a
proposal
and
one
other
thing
I
would
would
I
guess
like
to
again
kind
of
throw
out.
There
is
something
to
consider
I
think
Mr
Mitchell
mentioned
it
and
I
know
it
has
come
up
in
in
previous
projects
before
some
kind
of
protected
bike,
lockers
bike,
shelters,
something
and
I
think
I
I
would
love
to
say
moving
forward.
A
A
P
No,
it's
a
good
point
and
I
appreciate
you
bringing
it
up
and,
as
Derek
made
reference
with
the
unique
shape
of
this
property,
it's
created
a
lot
of
nooks
and
crannies
for
different
things
like
that.
For.
P
I
also
clarify
we
are
using
the
term
town
home
because
it's
it's
a
it's
a
very
good
helps.
People
identify
the
fact
that
it's
it's
a
unit
with
no
one
else
on
top
of
it,
but
Townhomes
are
kind
of
funny
in
the
city
of
Asheville
because
of
the
the
technical
word
townhome
means
it
has
prop.
It
has
a
lot
Frontage
and
stuff.
So
it's
it's
a
it's
a
town,
home
type
unit.
C
G
So
I
said
this
time
and
as
for
the
planning,
please
state
your.
G
I'm
sorry,
once
again,
Charles
Roddy
I
live
at
six
Westview
Avenue
I,
also
own
four
Westview
and
14
Westview,
so
I
own
the
300
feet
of
Road
Frontage
that
faces
the
back
of
the
three
quadruplexes,
and
when
we
have
the
zoom
meeting,
it
was
discussed
that
the
base
footprint
of
the
quadruplexes
would
be
at
the
same
level
as
the
parking
lot,
and
there
would
be
three
stories
and
I'm
wondering
if
that
is
actually
Four
stories.
If
it's
a.
F
G
Yes,
I
have
two
separate
concerns:
the
height
of
those
three
quarter,
plexes
I'm,
hoping
that
it
would
be
mandated
that
the
overall
height
of
those
quadruplexes
is
limited
to
40
feet
overall,
because
they
are
directly
across
the
street
from
me,
and
I
can
only
build
up
to
40
feet.
G
So
I
think
it's
fair
that
you
ask
that
since
they
front
the
same
street,
they
should
have
the
same
restriction
and
I
I
could
see
where
these
people
tried
the
best
they
could
to
leave
me
a
view
and
the
rest
of
the
people
on
the
street.
I
appreciate
that,
but
I
think
their
quadruplexes
should
be
limited
to
40
feet
overall
and
the
that
is
that
for
that
concern,
I
have
a
completely
separate
concern.
I'll
try
to
be
concise.
The
forested
area
directly
behind
the
three
quarter.
G
Plexus
has
been
an
established
forest
for
probably
decades,
maybe
40
years
three
bear
cubs
were
born
in
that
forested
area.
In
a
den
three
or
four
years
ago,
the
lady
that
owns
the
the
Antique
Mall
told
me
that
and
I
see
these
Bears
all
the
time.
It
is
a
wildlife
Corridor.
It's
an
established
Wildlife
Corridor
that
connects
that
area
to
the
railroad
property.
G
If
it's
possible
that
the
zoning
change
could
be
allowed
contingent
to
that
Wildlife
Corridor
to
be
a
deeded
I,
think
that
would
be
a
good
idea,
especially
considering
that
it
is
steeply
sloped
and
not
a
buildable
property
if
it
could
be
a
deeded
forested
area
that
would
be.
That
would
be
something
that
could
allow
the
city
to
to
give
the
zoning
change
to
these
people
in
exchange.
For
that,
it's
not
buildable
property,
and
it's
it's
forested.
G
It's
an
established
Forest!
If
it's
a
turn,
if
it's
turned
into
just
a
Swale
of
of
thank
you
to
Newton
trees,.
Q
Q
But
if
you
try
to
go
down
at
any
time
when
people
are
coming
going
from
Biltmore
Village,
especially
in
the
morning
I
work
weird
hours,
it
doesn't
affect
me
as
much,
but
that
little
triangle
area
by
Moe's,
barbecue
and
the
little
market
and
trying
to
get
into
Biltmore,
Village,
All,
Souls,
Crescent
and
Sweden
Creek
Road-
is
a
nightmare.
If
you
put
300
more
parking
spaces
and
all
those
people
are
trying
to
get
out
onto
Fairview
Road
turn
left
go
into
the
village.
Go
onto
Sweeten
Creek
Road
try
to
get
to
route
40..
Q
That
is
a
nightmare.
It
already
backs
up
past
those
railroad
tracks.
You
have
to
wait
through
several
light,
turns
there's
only
enough
room
for
three
people
when
you're
trying
to
cross
to
get
to
sweetened
Creek
from
technically
it's
London
Road,
and
it
comes
up
Fairview
and
there's
the
railroad
tracks.
This
is
a
nightmare
for
this
entire
neighborhood.
It's
not
it's
a
we're
all
four
affordable
housing,
because
there
isn't
any
in
this
town.
But
please
please,
please
consider
the
traffic
ramifications.
It
is
loud.
Q
You
cannot
put
speed
bumps
on
that
road
because
of
the
fire
trucks,
and
this
is
going
to
back
that
road
up
to
the
other
end
to
where
you
get
on
Route
240.,
like
it
is
going
to
be
a
nightmare
down
by
Biltmore
Village.
Those
lights
are
long.
The
traffic
already
comes
through
Biltmore
Village
up
to
that
intersection
right
down
from
here.
It's
we
already
have
the
district.
We
have
the
other
one,
that's
on
the
other
side
of
Stoner
by
Thompson
Street.
All
we
have
is
building
building
in
in
filling
in
every
postage
stamp
of
grass.
Q
There
is
nowhere
for
these
people
to
drive.
This
is
a
traffic
nightmare.
It's
I'm
not
against
better
housing
and
being
productive,
I
get
it
I.
Think
the
traffic
is
just
that's
going
to
be
a
nightmare
and
it's
going
to
be
a
pedestrian
nightmare
as
well,
because
now
I
can
walk
it's
just
going
to
be
awful
trying
to
get
down
there
in
your
car
through
Biltmore
Village,
to
downtown
anything
you're
just
overflowing
the
traffic
there.
It
needs
to
be
redone
before
something
more
gets
built
there
and
300
more
cars.
Q
H
C
Any
other
public
comments,
okay,
public
comment
and
sending
at
6
27
any
any
other
comment
based
on
what
we
heard
today,.
H
O
Sure,
on
the
height,
it's
garage
with
two
stories
above
it,
the
total
height
of
that
building,
is
38
feet,
so
it
is
below
40
feet.
In
addition,
the
base
level
of
where
those
are
going
to
be
constructed
is
35
feet
below
Westview
in
the
homes
on
Westview
were
built
actually
up
on
top
of
a
hill,
so
they're
well
below
visibility.
At
that
point,.
H
L
O
Sure,
when
we
do
these
traffic
studies
and
I'm
sorry.
O
Yeah,
and
so
when
these
things
are
done
and
the
reports
in
there
was
prepared
by
Davenport
engineering,
and
so
when
they
do
these
reports,
the
state
tells
them
what
to
study,
what
intersections
to
study
they
go
out
and
they
do
those
counts.
They
do
the
studies,
they
measure
the
acceptability
of
these
different
intersections
and
then
they
report
back
to
the
state.
O
The
state
then
reviews
the
recommended
improvements
from
this
traffic
impact
analysis
that
our
Engineers
we've
paid
for
has
made
and
then
tells
them
that
they
agree
with
them
that
they
should
modify
them
or
they
need
to
redo
it.
Here
we
have
final
approval
from
the
state
and
what
they've
set
to
do
with
this
particular
project
is
to
put
the
turn
Lanes
in
in
terms
of
the
generalized
traffic
conditions
that
exist
there
right
now.
O
I
think
that
actually
makes
the
point
for
this
kind
of
housing
info
housing
ends
up
cutting
down
on
trips
to
somewhere
else
and
being
able
to
walk
to
a
place
like
Biltmore
Village
and
to
Hillman
Brewing
into
burial
beer
and
to
Moe's.
To
get
food
I
mean
that
that's
what
you're
trying
to
create.
That's?
What
we're
trying
to
create
so
filling
in
those
pockets?
N
Yes,
okay,
sorry,
so
the
the
green
Parts
in
this
plan
are
related
to
this
topic
that
the
light
green
I
guess
that's
light
green
I'm
having
real
issues
today
is
open
space
that
will
be
on
a
recorded
plan
and
it
has
to
remain
open
space.
The
the
darker
green
is
is
the
buffer
that
will
also
have
to
remain.
When
you
look
at
this
plan,
you
see
the
grade
areas
with
circles
around
it.
Those
are
tree
canopy
protection
that
those
are
existing
trees.
Those
will
have
to
be
protected
during
construction
and
preserved
in
perpetuity.
N
This
is
and
a
this
would
qualify
as
something
that
would
be
protected
in
perpetuity
at
that
width.
P
I'll
just
add
to
what
clay
said
in
terms
of
those
preservations,
while
a
lot
of
those
new
trees
are
like
two
inches
in
diameter.
The
trees
that
we're
preserving
out
there
range
from
six
inches
up
to
27
inches
in
size,
and
especially
in
that
bottom
corners,
where
we
have
some
of
the
the
bigger
existing
trees
that
are
remaining
in
that
natural
air
area
in
corridor.
A
I'm
just
going
to
make
a
one
comment:
I
know
it
has
come
up
frequently
with
regards
to
traffic,
and
it's
one
that
I
know
I
feel
like
we've
wrestled
with
ever
since
I've
been
on
Planning
and
Zoning.
I
know
multimodal
commission
wrestles
with
this
as
well
is
a
lot
of
times
these
traffic
impacts,
analyzes,
look
at
each
individual
project
and
then
sometimes
it's
hard
to
it's
definitely
hard
to
account
for
future
projects.
That
may
happen.
They're
accounting
for
projects
that
may
be
under
construction
or
may
have
already
been
built.
A
A
H
J
J
A
A
A
I'll,
let
you
think
about
that
can
so
it
sounded
like
the
applicant
was
willing
if
it
was
in
the
public
right
away
and
was
not
going
to
be
on
someone
else's
property
to
provide
an
improved
bus,
stop
slash
shelter
on
the
same
side
of
the
road.
The
adjacent
bus
stop.
Is
that
generally,
what
I
heard
is
that
I
think
you
see
what
I'm
fishing
for
Mr
Allen?
Is
that
something
that
they
would
allow
us
that
your
applicant
is
willing
to
consider
as
a
condition.
O
I,
don't
think
we
can
put
it
as
a
condition
yet
because
we
don't
know
who
controls
it
and
I
think
if
you
put
it
in
as
a
condition
when
you
don't
control
it,
then
you
end
up
with
an
unenforceable
issue
that
we've
run
into
over
and
over
I've
talked
about
my
clients,
and
we
have
no
problem
looking
at
putting
that
in
and
if
it's
available
to
do,
we
will
do
that.
That's
that's
a
that's
an
add-on
for
for
our
future
residents.
Okay,
thank
you.
A
A
A
H
F
I'll
make
a
motion
I
move
to
approve
the
conditional
zoning
request
for
the
property
located
at
115
Fairview
Road
from
Urban
Village
to
residential
expansion,
conditional
Zone
res
exp,
and
find
that
the
request
is
reasonable
is
in
the
public.
Interest
is
consistent
with
the
city's
comprehensive
plan
and
meets
the
development
needs
of
the
community
and
that
the
request
one
provides
infill
development
and
targeted
growth
areas.
Two
increases
the
supply
of
affordable
housing
and
proximity
to
schools,
Transit
and
parks,
and
three
promotes
the
development
and
develop
availability
of
affordable
and
Workforce
housing.
F
C
K
Someone's
saying
I
don't
know,
do
we
know
when
this
is
scheduled
to
go
to
so
the
conditional
zoning
goes
on
to
council
for
final
approval.
This
isn't
the
final
approval.
Do
you
know
yet
Derek
I
know
you
have
to
work
out
the
Leon.