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A
C
Good
afternoon
I'm
chair
kite,
and
I
would
like
to
welcome
you
to
the
december
8
2021
historic
resources.
Commission
meeting
the
hrc
is
a
quasi-judicial
body
that
is
governed
by
north
carolina
general
statutes,
the
city
of
asheville's,
unified
development,
ordinance
and
buncombe
county
ordinance.
We're
authorized
to
hear
requests
for
certificates
of
appropriateness
for
alterations,
demolitions,
new
construction
and
other
work
within
historic
districts
or
for
the
alteration
and
demolition
of
historic
landmarks
and
other
duties,
including
preliminary
review
of
subdivisions
as
specified
in
the
ordinances
for
the
hrc.
C
And
entering
code
9384
for
those
wishing
to
give
public
comment
during
an
agenda
item,
please
call
in
and
press
star
3
to
enter
the
caller
queue.
I
will
now
ask
commission
members
to
introduce
themselves
and
to
say
a
sentence
or
two
about
their
background
or
experience
as
it
relates
to
serving
on
the
commission.
D
F
Good
afternoon
I
am
a
archaeologist
with
a
background
in
historic
preservation
and
renovating
homes
and
happy
to
serve
on
the
board.
The
commission,
commissioner
hornaday.
J
C
I'm
emily
kite-
and
I
am
a
local
architect
in
this
area.
We
will
now
consider
the
minutes
from
our
november
meeting
of
the
hrc.
The
meeting
minutes
include
findings
of
fact
and
conclusions
of
law.
Does
anyone
have
any
corrections
to
those.
A
E
C
We
will
now
begin
the
evidentiary
hearings
for
the
items
that
are
listed
on
our
agenda
as
a
quasi-judicial
proceeding.
The
hrc
is
not
setting
policy,
nor
are
we
soliciting
public
opinion
on
the
desirability
of
an
application.
The
hrc
hears
and
considers
evidence
presented
and
applies
the
standards
set
forth
in
the
guidelines
and
standards
of
a
specific
historic
district.
For
that
application.
C
The
hrc
must
make
its
decision
upon
competent,
material
and
substantial
evidence
to
determine
the
facts
of
the
hearing.
The
hrc
will
use
judgment
and
discretion
to
apply
the
standards
contained
in
the
relevant
guidelines
to
the
facts.
The
commissioners,
in
voting
for
an
item
will
not
have
a
fixed
opinion
that
is
not
susceptible
to
change,
will
not
have
a
conflict
of
interest
and
will
not
have
engaged
in
ex
parte
communication.
Regarding
the
application,
the
rules
for
speaking
are
as
follows.
C
If
you
will
be
speaking
as
a
witness,
please
focus
on
the
facts
and
how
they
relate
to
the
relevant
historic
district
standards
and
guidelines,
not
personal
preference
or
opinion
witnesses
must
swear
or
affirm
their
testimony.
This
time
I
will
administer
the
oath
for
anyone.
That's
presently
in
our
meeting
that
intends
to
provide
witness
testimony
regarding
a
particular
application,
recognize
that
not
all
of
our
applicants
may
have
joined
the
meeting
at
this
time.
So
we
will
circle
back
to
this
swearing
in
for
those
those
participants
later
on
in
the
meeting
as
necessary.
C
B
I
don't
see
him
yet.
I
don't
see
him
or
or
lee
duggar
yet,
but
I
do
say
questioning
all.
C
Right,
so
we
will
come
back
to
lee
and
jamie
later
on
in
the
meeting
I'm
going
to
read
the
oath,
and
I
will
ask
you
to
affirm,
as
I
call
your
each
of
your
names
individually
when
the
oath
is
over.
Please
raise
your
right
hand.
C
L
G
K
K
C
B
So
this
is
a
recent
middle,
as
I
think
everyone
that's
present
today
are
the
commissioners
present
today
we're
here
for
this,
for
the
first
go
around
on
this
application
last
month.
It
is
where
the
proposal
is
for
construction
of
a
new
3,
000
square
foot,
primary
structure
in
montford,
just
to
kind
of
recap
things
a
little
bit.
I
included
the
site
plan
or
the
gis
map
rather
and
the
site
plan
in
my
slideshow.
B
I
didn't
include
a
ton
of
documents
in
this
particular
for
this
application,
because
the
resubmittal
was
pretty.
There
wasn't
a
lot
of
changes,
so
I
tried
to
keep
it
simple.
So,
if
there's
anything
that
anybody
wants
me
to
pull
up
from
the
previous
submittal
etc
as
we're
talking
just
let
me
know,
I
can
grab
anything
from
the
folder.
B
Some
of
the
concerns
that
I
noted
from
the
last
go-around
were
related
to
the
overall
design
of
the
structure.
I
think
some
of
those
have
been
addressed
in
terms
of
what
the
commission
had
concerns
about.
I
know
that
commissioner
spring
commented
on
how
the
the
structure
was
kind
of
the
back
of
it
was
floating
over
this
carport.
This
double
carport
in
the
back
that
has
now
been
revised
to
be
finished
on
the
bottom,
so
that
it's
not
just
kind
of
cantilevered
out
over
the
driveway.
B
So
I
think
that
definitely
is
a
step
in
the
right
direction.
As
far
as
that
concern
you
know,
I,
the
commission
didn't
seem
to
necessarily
share
my
concerns
about
the
overall
design
of
this
of
the
house.
I
do
you
know.
Obviously
I
recognize
that
there
are
many
vernacular
iterations
of
houses
in
montford,
and
so
I
there's
no
there's
nothing
about
this
house
that
I
don't
that
I
think
is
like
from
an
aesthetic
perspective.
B
It's,
I
think
it's
a
great
house,
but
looking
at
it
from
more
from
like
a
objective
or
subjective
point
of
view
from
in
terms
of
like
looking
at
architectural
styles
in
the
neighborhood,
the
house
reads
more
kind
of
contemporary
farmhouse
to
me
than
it
does
leaning
towards
the
queen,
anne
or
something
that
is
more
true
to
monford.
However,
I
understand
if
the
commission
doesn't
share
that
concern.
That's
totally
up
to
you
all,
I'm
just
kind
of
giving
my
my
professional
perspective
on
it.
B
I
do
still
think
that
that
the
windows
on
the
front
elevation
in
terms
of
the
how
they
intersect
with
the
with
the
trim
there
is
a
little
bit
unusual
and
that
would
be,
like
kind
of
I
think,
the
only
like
small
fenestration
detail
that
I
would
pull
out
this
time
around
and
I
think
one
of
the
things
too
I've
been
considering
kind
of
the
architectural,
the
overall
architectural
style.
B
One
of
the
things
that
that
maybe
is
throwing
me
off
a
little
bit
about
this
particular
house
is
and
making
it
read
to
me
is
more
of
like
a
contemporary
farmhouse
is
the
color
scheme.
I
mean
they're,
definitely,
white
houses
in
moffat
or
neutral
colored
houses.
B
There's
one
obviously
right
next
to
it
that
kind
of
pale,
yellow
house,
but
I
think
maybe
tweaking
the
color
scheme
a
bit
could
could
help
maybe
break
it
up
into
two
different
colors,
a
lighter
and
a
darker,
and
then
the
wood
elements
on
the
front,
porch
or
shin
as
being
more
of
like
a
natural
stained
appearance
which,
I
think
probably
painting
them
a
solid
color
would
be
more
consistent
with
other
porches
found
in
the
district.
B
The
other
thing
that
we
talked
about
last
go
around,
or
at
least
that
I
noted
was
the
amount
of
hardscaping
on
the
site.
Obviously
they
have
very
limited
space
to
get
the
driveway
down
so
no
concern
there.
I
think
you
know
there.
They
obviously
have
to
have
room
to
maneuver
a
car,
but
it
did
want
to
like
reiterate
that
they're
you
know
not
technically
required
to
have
off-street
parking
because
they
are
within
a
mile
of
the
central
business
district.
B
So
just
to
remind
everyone
of
that,
and
lastly,
I
want
to
come
back
to
the
proposed
landscape
plan.
I
my
comments
last
time
around
was
that
they
needed
to
provide
some
additional
landscaping
and
I
think
maybe
there
is
an
updated
site
plan.
Let
me
pull
it
up,
because
I
think
I.
E
B
I
have
the
updated
one,
okay,
so
one
of
the
things
I
noted
it
was
just
that
they
there
should
be
landscaping
on
all
sides
of
the
house
and-
and
you
know
definitely
to
soften
the
the
the
paved
area
back
here.
B
C
Alex
I
see
it
in
the
what's
labeled
revised
new
construction
worksheet
and
plans.
It's
that
sort
of
first
drawing
page
after
the
checklist
stuff
got.
B
It
here
it
is
so
they've
added
a
little
bit
of
landscaping,
kind
of
back
beyond
like
between
the
parking
area
and
the
house,
but
I
do
think
they
need
to
add
some
more.
In
particular,
the
guidelines
require
screening
for
driveways
and
off
street
parking.
B
Additionally,
there's
not
any
foundation
plantings
here-
and
I
know
scott
had
mentioned
that
there's
this
there's
ree
reed
creek
is
back
here
along
the
rear
property
line
and
there
is
a
stream
buffer,
and
I
was
made
aware
that
there
was
a
street
restoration
project
happening
back
here,
but
I
was
in
touch
with
the
engineer
for
that
project
and
that
the
work
on
the
stream
restoration
is
complete
and
it
will
not
affect
anything
into
the
property
so
much
that
they
couldn't
do
put
more
landscaping
in
the
back
there.
B
So
those
are
all
my
comments.
I've
listed.
My
list
of
outstanding
items
for
review
is
also
noted
in
the
staff
report,
which
is
all
the
material
specifications,
a
railing
detail
for
the
porch,
and
then
we.
B
What
the
trash
enclosure
is
proposed
to
look
like,
and
so
those
are
all
my
notes
to
you
all,
I'm
happy
to
answer
any
questions.
G
Alex
was
the
the
front.
Can
you
hear
me,
yeah
was
the
the
double
columns?
Was
that
didn't
we
talk
about
that?
Last
time,
too
is
sort
of
out
of
the
norm.
I'm.
B
L
Clarify
there
has
been
some
changes
to
the
front,
entryway
subtle,
but
there
a
couple
things
in
taking
the
commission's
comments
to
heart.
The
previous
columns
were
more
of
a
straight
post.
L
We've
moved
toward
a
there's,
still
double
columns
move
toward
a
a
more
traditional
post
with
a
cap
and
base
on
it.
The
slope
of
that
roof
was
dropped,
it's
not
as
steep
as
it
was
before,
and
we
widened
the
porch.
If
you
pull
up
the
straight
on
elevation,
alex
widen
the
porch
over
to
the
right
sort
of
overlaps.
L
The
front
gable,
which
you
can
see
in
the
upper
right
hand
corner
basically
enlarging
the
look
of
the
porch
to
allow
it
to
be
a
little
more
inviting
also
include
or
altered,
was
an
arch
over
the
on
the
beam
over
the
door.
The
door
also
got
a
two
side
lights
in
the
transom,
so
it's
really
some.
You
know
some
subtle
changes,
but
to
give
it
give
it
a
more
inviting
look,
a
little
less
closed
off
as
the
previous
steeper
roof
was,
and
also
taking
into
account
the
the.
A
L
Fitting
more
into
the
montford
vernaculars,
so
there
we
didn't.
We
didn't
ignore
the
commission
to
put
it
that
way
so
anyway,
but
as
we're
talking
about
the
front
porch,
that's
also
in
the
front.
If
we
go
back
to
the
new
site
plan
alex.
L
Previously
we
had
a
concrete
walk
over
the
trash
cans
on
the
right.
We've
changed
that
more
to
a
step,
stone,
type
hardscaping,
the
narrowed
up,
the
walkways
to
again
allow
a
little
more,
a
little
more
landscaping
area
available
to
us,
whether
it's
grass
or
additional
plantings,
and
yes,
added
some
plantings
just
off
the
back.
I,
with
regard
to
the
the
really
the
rear
yard
beyond
the
parking
area.
It's
not
so
much
that
the
stream
buffer,
though
I
think
mike
tamayo,
I'll
turn
over
to
him
briefly
in
a
moment.
L
But
what
I'm
really
looking
at
back.
There
is
there's
this
big
condo
building
back
there
and
they
have
not
done
any.
L
Plantings
regarding
landscape
buffering
between
between
the
zoning
districts
and
I'm
really
looking
to
see
what
that
is
before
we
design
anything
there
through
this
whole
backyard,
because
if
we
need
to
buffer
ourselves
from
them
that
we
want
to
incorporate
that
into
our
landscape
design
or
are
they
going
to
be
significantly
buffered
from
us
and
therefore
we
can
do
more
of
a
a
design
based
on
a
an
intended
garden
type
thing.
So
I'm
really
just
sort
of
as
opposed
to
doing
something
twice.
L
Of
you
once
when
we
really
know
what
we
want
to
do
on
the
on
that,
but
I
would
like
to
turn
that
over
to
mike
tamayo,
briefly
briefly
to
discuss
what
his
understanding
of
the
the
stream
bed
situation
is
to
introduce.
Mike,
though
I'd
like
to
say
he
he
was
the
owner
of
this
parcel,
has
since
sold
it
to
gary
and
lenora.
L
He
was
the
one
that
signed
the
agreement
that
allowed
the
condo
association
to
come
onto
the
property
to
make
do
the
stream
reconstruction
as
they've
done.
But
he
can
tell
you
more
about
what
you
know
what
the
agreement
was
and
what
what
is
supposed
to
be
included
there
mike.
I
Thanks
scott
and
thank
you
to
the
commission
so
yeah,
so
I'm
mike
to
my
lmt
homes,
I'm
the
the
builder
and,
like
scott,
said
it
was
the
original
owner
of
the
lot
that
we're
trying
to
develop
for
a
client
here,
and
we
have
given
permission
to
the
condo
outfit
to
have
access
to
the
stream
bed
when
they
were
working
on
it
and
restoring
the
stream
itself
in
that
access
that
they
that
we
granted
the
part
of
the
arrangement
was
that
they
were
also
going
to
landscape
the
back
portion
after
they're
done
with
the
engineering
portion,
which
is
what's
been
completed
from
a
from
an
engineering
as
far
as
the
the
water
runoff
and
everything
that
that
deals
with
the
the
stormwater
system.
I
So
with
in
lieu
of
the
recent
floods
that
we
had
this
summer,
they
paused
on
some
of
their
landscaping.
As
my
understanding
to
see
where
the
high
water
marks
were
as
far
as
water
flowing
from
the
city
as
it
collects
and
gets,
you
know
quite
a
bit
of
steam
and
volume
and
heads
down
the
hill
down
towards
along
that
greenway
path.
So
they've
paused
temporarily
there
and
they're
about
to
pick
up
the
landscaping
again
difficult
for
them
to
do
over
the
winter
time.
I
I'm
trying
to
get
my
hands
on
the
plans
of
what
they
plan
to
do
from
a
landscaping
site
on
their
side
on
the
condo
side
across
the
stream
and
they're
also
supposed
to
do
some
landscaping
on
the
on
lenoir
and
gary's
lot
side
as
well,
which
is
it's
which
had
already
been
approved
and
and
per
the
guidelines
of
stormwater
water.
I
So
we're
trying
to
get
our
hands
on
that
and
that'll
essentially
be
part
of
the
landscaping
plan
at
that
point.
So
that's
kind
of
where
we're
at
right
now
so
we're
collecting
that
information.
So
it's
a
bit
of
a
gray
area
for
us,
because
we
know
that
the
engineering's
been
done.
They've
approved
all
that
and
it's
been
completed,
but
the
landscaping
part
of
it
has
to
be
certain
plants
that
also
go
along
with
the
the
watershed
aspect
of
things.
B
So
can
I
just
insert
and
say
that
it's
my
understanding
from
site
work,
studios
and
the
engineer
that
all
work
has
been
complete.
So
I
think
that
you
guys
need
to
submit
something
in
writing
to
us
either
approved
plans
that
show
landscaping
on
the
site.
B
It's
hard
for
me
to
imagine
that
they
would
landscape
all
the
way
across
the
back
of
this
lot
because
they
aren't
required
to
do
that
and
all
all
that,
I'm
saying
is
that
the
guidelines
require
that
you,
you
provide
foundation,
plantings
and
parking
and
and
driveways
have
to
be
screened.
So
you
you
do
clearly
have
space
to
do
that
as
far
as
the
site
plan
is
concerned
that
we're
looking
at
right
now.
B
So
unless
there's
some
other,
you
know
information
submitted
from
site,
work,
studios
or
the
engineer
for
the
project
ace.
Then
I
don't
think
that
there's
you
know
anything
else
that
I
mean.
I
guess
we
would
just
need
some
additional
documentation
from
them
to
support
what
you're
saying.
I
I'll
work
on
that
alex
because
I
spoke
with
kevin
kerr
as
a
matter
of
fact
two
weeks
ago
regarding
the
project,
because
I've
got
all
the
emails
back
and
forth
from
him,
and
I
regarding
the
fact
that
they
asked
us
not
to
do
anything
yet
back
there,
because
they
still
needed
access
and
do
their
portion.
That
they're
still
required
to
finish,
and
I
was
supposed
to
meet
kevin
there
last
week,
but
unfortunately
he
had
a
death
in
the
family.
I
We
were
going
to
meet
on
site
and
he
was
going
to
show
me
exactly
what
they're
still
required
to
finish
and
then
once
that
happens,
but
so
I'm
still
waiting
for
for
him
to
come
back
into
town
and
then
at
that
point
I'll,
be
meeting
with
him
on
site
and
discussing
the
details.
But
by
no
means
I
think
that
I'll
pass
it
back
over
to
scott.
I
know
that
he's
gonna
carry
on
with
a
landscaping
plan.
I
We've
just
been
stalling
on
that
right
now
until
we
get
the
rest
of
the
information
from
from
kevin
and
the
folks
over
at
the
condo
across
the
street.
So
because
that's
we
do
have
there's
miscommunication
somewhere
because
per
them
and
last
week
that
they
still
have
work
to
do.
L
Is,
and
with
regard
to
the
landscape,
this
isn't
really
intended
to
be
a
final
landscape
plan
to
allow
for
or
that
that
I'm
looking
for
approval
on
we're
we're
it's
a
tentative
landscape
plan
to
delineate
that.
E
L
Just
as
basically
to
check
the
box
that
I
feel
that
I've
presented
something
when
as
we're
proceeding,
but
I'm
we're
not
done
on
the
backyard,
and
we
will
be
back
in
front
of
you
when
we
are
ready.
B
Yeah,
this
is
the
approved
plan
for
the
broadway
development.
So
here's
the
subject
property
right
here.
L
A
little
bit
can
I
get
a
copy
of
this
from
you,
alex.
B
Sure
I
can
send
it
to
you.
I
mean
from
this
vantage
point
of
looking
at
this
plan.
There's
you
know
not
a
whole
lot.
That
really
impacts
the
rear
of
this
lot.
So
I
mean.
L
It's
not
directly
on
the
lot,
but
it's
everything
that
this
lot
looks
at
and
that's
more.
What
my
I'm
trying
to
determine
is:
what
are
we
looking
at
across
the
strip?
Do
we
need
to
put
a
a
buffer
on
our
so
we're
not
staring
at
the
back
of
this,
these
condo
units
or
are
they
going
to
buffer
their
condo
units
so
that
we're
not
staring
at
the
back
of
their
condo
units.
B
L
C
Scott
or
anybody
else
on
your
team
want
to
speak
to
anything
else
in
the
application
before
we
take
a
quick
pause
for
public
comment
and
further
discussion
by
the
commission.
G
Yeah
between
the
the
front
windows
that,
on
the
second
floor,
that
break
that
band
what's
happening
on
the
on
the
windows
there.
If
not,
you
might
have
to
zoom
in
a
lot
to
see
it.
I'm
and
the
three-quarter
angle.
One
is
the
one
that.
A
G
So
in
between
the
windows,
there's
a
strip
of
flare
like
matching
the
left
and
the
right
correct.
L
Sure
so
the
what
this
is
is
a
the
windows
are
interrupting
the
shingle
flare,
my
computer.
L
Just
bastardizes
it
the,
and
so
it's
it's
looking
as
if
this
shingle
flare
sort
of
come
down
comes
down
straight
over
top
of
the
windows,
and
that
is
not
the
case.
It
actually
is
just
cut
by
the
two
windows
and
there's
these
these
small
for
lack
of
better
working
brackets
that
sort
of
cap,
the
end
of
the
crown
that's
coming
around
the
beneath
the
eaves
and
across
the
front
that
comes
up
underneath
the
shingle
flare.
L
But
it's
really
just
the
shingle
flare
is
a
very
consistent
flare
with
the
with
the
in
windows,
interrupting
it
those
four
lines
that
extend
up
onto
there
with
these
alternating
shadows
and
stuff.
That's
the
bastardization
that
I
can't
get
my
computer
to
solve
for
me
and
so
it.
But
if
you
could
picture
just
a
consistent
shingle
flare
with
these
penetrations
in
it,
this
broken
shingle
flare
for
for
lack
of
a
better
term.
G
But
there's
a
bracket
in
the
between
the
two
windows.
L
Yes
comes
up
and
sort
of
you
know
holds
up
the
shingle
flare,
for
you
know
in
an
aesthetic
way.
G
And
the
porch
roof
is
that
metal.
D
I
am,
I
think
they
did
a
good
job
of
addressing
my
concern
from
from
last
month
regarding
the
carport
down
below.
I
think
the
structure
feels
a
lot
more
grounded
now
that
there's
solid
wall
down
there.
I
I
share
alex's
concern
about
the
two
front
windows
in
the
gable.
D
I
I
just
feel
that
that
detail
isn't
something
that
you
would
typically
see
like.
We
would
probably
have
the
window
stop
just
below
that
gable
flare
and
continue
the
gable
flare
across.
D
I
did
notice
on
the
north
elevation.
You
popped
a
little
window
up
there
in
the
gable,
and
I
would
say
that
you
know
if
you
wanted
to
get
some
light
up
higher.
That
would
be
more
appropriate
to
me
than
as
as
it's
drawn
on
the
front,
but
again
good
good
job,
and
you
know
taking
taking
what
we
said
and
and
advancing
the
drawings
the
the
front
porch.
I
I
don't
have
a
concern.
I
think
it
looks
better
being
wider.
I
think
that's
an
improvement.
D
I
don't
have
any
concern
about
the
double
column
versus
single
column,
but
yeah.
It
looks
good
thanks.
C
Emily,
I
echo
your
feedback,
certainly
around
the
carport.
I
think
that
was
a
a
pretty
impactful
change
in
a
good
way.
I
also
I'm
pretty
stuck
on
the
front
windows
for
the
same
reasons,
I
think
in
a
more
contemporary
setting
it's
a
kind
of
an
interesting
detail
in
and
of
itself,
but
in
the
context
of
montford.
C
I
think
we
would
struggle
to
find
a
solid
precedent
for
that
being
with
you
know,
in
keeping
with
the
the
historic
character
of
the
neighborhood,
it's
got
a
couple
of
questions,
the
there's
a
similar
gable
flare
on
the
on
the
north
gable.
That's
got
this
sort
of
gable
window
in
it.
Is
that
true,
it's
a
little
hard
to
see
from
the
renderings,
but
you
you
would
carry
that
same
flare,
detail.
C
C
Is
that
true?
I
think
that
would
be
something
some
feedback
from
the
commission
regarding
that
change
in
roofing
materials
and
whether
you
and
your
client
would
be
open
to
making
everything
shingled,
which
is
more
in
keeping,
I
think,
with
decisions
the
commission's
made.
You
know
in
terms
of
consistency.
C
That
would
be
something
I
think
this
group
should
talk
about.
But
for
me
I
think,
I'm
comfortable.
I
understand
the
reluctance
to
commit
to
the
landscaping
until
you
have
a
better
sense
of
what
you're
going
to
be
looking
at
with
the
condo
project,
but
I
think
that,
certainly
from
our
perspective,
the
stuff
that
we
approve
is
the
stuff
that
we,
that
is
intended
to
be
sort
of
final
commitment
to
a
design
and
a
proposed
solution
for
the
property.
C
So
at
some
point,
we'll
need
to
kind
of
reconcile
alex
with
how
to
how
to
allow
a
project
to
move
forward
with
some
uncertainty
back
there
or
if
there
is
a
way
to
move
forward
with
uncertainty
back
there.
You
know
understanding,
obviously,
that
it's
winter
and
that
you're
a
little
bit
at
the
mercy
of
sort
of
figuring
out,
what's
left
to
do
with
the
condos
and
what
you
have
to
look
at.
But
it's
certainly
addressing
alex
your
primary
concern
around
foundation.
C
Planting
shouldn't
have
much
in
the
way
of
of
change
based
on
what's
happening
with
the
buffer
between
the
zoning
districts,
and
so
I
would
you
know,
it'd,
be
lovely
to
see
some
of
that
foundation.
Planning
extend
along
the
sort
of
right
property
line
and
around
the
base
of
that
carport
in
the
back
to
you
know
to
to
really
be
consistent
with
what
the
what
the
standards
for
the
district
require.
B
We're
just
looking
at
the
requirements
for
new
construction
and,
what's
required
for,
like
just
the
you
know,
immediate
area
surrounding
the
house
and
the
and
the
requirements
for
screening
parking
areas
and
shannon
dug
up
another
plan.
I
can
send
you
that
is
it's
the
grading
plan
for
the
broadway
site
and-
and
we
can
certainly
talk
with
kevin.
I've
worked
with
kevin
on
plenty
of
projects
that
she
thought
she
was
assuming.
B
We
can
circle
back
on
that,
but
I
think
at
this
point
it
shouldn't
really
hold
you
up
to
add
some
more
landscaping
kind
of
immediately
as
chair
kite
was
saying
around
that
side
of
the
house
and
the
along
the
parking
area
there
so
and
if,
like
you
know,
hopefully
the
landscape
plan
helps
you
identify
if
you
think
you
know
what's
going
to
happen
on
the
you
know,
site
across
the
stream.
You
know
if
that's
going
to
be
some
substantial
buffer,
but
then
in
the
future
you
don't
need
approval
from
us
to
plant.
B
You
know
whatever
you
want
back
there
as
screening
other
than
you
know,
just
what
what's
required
for
the
for
this
approval
for
the
new
construction
project.
So.
B
B
I
do
kind
of
think
it's
a
little
bit
unusual,
though
the
double
brackets
around
that
little
casement
window
on
the
north
elevation
that
you
all
were
just
talking
about,
and
I
kind
of
think
I
I
think
you
know
if,
if
the
change
is
made
to
the
front
elevation
for
the
the
transom,
where
that
flare
is
kind
of
looking
a
little
funky,
I
think
that
will
help
as
far
as
the
brackets
on
the
front
elevation,
not
in
that
gable
and
not
appearing
too
busy
so
and
I
honestly
have
not
seen
any
historic
examples
of
houses
in
mockery
where
there
are
two
different
roofing
materials.
D
Alex,
I
can't
remember,
is
there
anything
in
the
guideline
that
prohibits
two
two
types
of
roofing.
B
No
we're
just
really
basing
our
thoughts
on
what's
you
know
historically
appropriate,
and
you
know
in
my
seven
years
with
the
commission
whenever
it's
come
up,
the
commission
has
said
no,
that
it
wasn't
historically
appropriate
to
have
two
roofing
types
on
one
building.
B
G
Alex
do
you
have
a
material
for
the
chimney
stack,
the
chipper.
B
It's
stucco,
I
think
it's
stuck
there
to
match
the
foundation.
That's
is
that
correct
scott?
L
D
Do
we
have
at
this
point
preliminary
color
selections
for
the
materials.
O
A
G
I
am
in
looking
at
the
plans.
I
think
that
removing
that
that
front
double
windows
from
breaking
into
that
third
level
would
help,
along
with
having
one
material
for
the
for
that
porch,
would
help
ease
away
from
the
farmhouse
that
staff
is
noticing.
G
G
Yeah,
then
not
to
have
a
metal
shed
roof
on
the
porch.
The
alex
does
that
help
bring
down
the
farmhouseness
of
it
that
I
I
know
what
you're
saying.
B
Yeah
I
I
was
in
considering
my
staff
report.
I
was
mostly
looking
at
the
the
the
streetscape
plan
as
far
as
the
colors,
I
think
this
color
scheme
is,
will
be
more
successful
and
kind
of
communicating
the
you
know
architectural
style,
making
it
more
consistent
with
montford,
and
I
do
think
changing
the
the
roofing
material
to
be
a
single
roofing
material.
B
I
think
shingle
would
be
the
most
appropriate
for
this
house,
but
I
don't
know
that
I've
seen
any
natural
stained
cedar
porches,
but
that's
not
to
say
that
you
all
can't
approve
that
if
you
think
it's
appropriate.
M
L
L
We'll
talk
about
it,
some
more
gary
and
lenora,
and
I,
as
we
changed
our
column
details,
I'm
not
sure
that
the
natural
stain
cedar
is
still
really
relevant
relevant
to
our
intentions
as
well.
By
the
way
I'm
not
here
for
specifically
for
a
final
approval,
I
was
figuring.
I
was
going
to
do
that
in
february.
L
C
K
C
In
terms
of
how
they
how
they
break
that
gable,
trim
and
detail
right
there,
I
think
that
feels
really
contemporary.
I
think
it's
been
some
of
the
other
commissioners
share.
That
sounds
like
the
roofing
material
change
is
another
piece
that
is
we've
had
a
couple
of
commissioners
mention
at
this
point.
I
think
we're
all
tending
towards
having
a
consistent
material
for
all
of
the
roofing
on
the
project.
C
I
think
it'd
be
worth
y'all's
consideration
to
talk
about
the
relevance
of
the
natural
cedar.
You
know,
in
contrast
with
the
rest
of
the
painted
trim
and
the
painted
deck
boards
on
the
front
porch
there,
and
presumably
on
the
back
of
those
back
porch
areas
as
well
to
see
if
it's
really,
you
know
a
significant
impact
to
the
project
that
you'd
like
to
be
able
to
keep
and
other
than.
I
think
the
back
is
certainly
successful
with
the
carport.
C
The
way
that
it
you've
got
it
sort
of
enclosed
on
on
three
couple
sides.
There
are
three
sides,
other
comments
from
commissioners
or
scott
questions
for
the
commission
regarding
some
of
the
other
changes
that
you've
worked
towards
in
this
recent
middle.
L
I
would
just
like
to
touch
base
on
that
rear,
porch
roof
the
metal
one
on
the
back
as
it's
drawn,
keeping
that
roof
lower
than
the
upper
porch,
the
porch
that's
up
above
it
and
behind
it
yeah.
You
can
see
it
there
that
that
roof
is
shallow
enough,
that
it
requires
some
sort
of
well
something
other
than
asphalt
shingles.
L
I
just
want
to
sort
of
touch
base
of
well
whether
that
might
be
more
agreeable
as
a
metal
roof,
or
is
there
another
roofing
material
that
allows
for
flat,
I
mean,
would
we
want?
I
know,
there's
membrane
roofs
quite
often,
but
I
don't
know
that
those
are
an
improvement
anyway.
What
are
the?
What
is
it?
Does?
The
commission
have
thoughts
on
that
roof,
and
this
has
to
do
with
just
the
the
shallowness
of
it.
L
D
D
Yeah,
that's
it's
true!
It's
just
what
about.
D
Next
to
the
neighbors,
as
far
as
the
the
small,
the
small
roof
on
the
back,
though
that
doesn't
concern
me
as
much
as
the
front
porch,
because
it's
you
know
hidden
you're,
not
seeing
it
from
the
street.
G
Yeah
yeah
in
the
standards
just
on
roofs
itself
on
number
nine
metal
roofing
shall
only
be
used
as
a
replacement
material
where
it
existed
before
is
does
that
apply
to
a
new
alex
as
well.
B
No,
we
would
only
apply
that
to
to
you
know
historic
houses.
B
You
know
we're
just
looking
at
as
far
as
you
know,
new
houses,
what
roofing
materials
are
commonly
found
in
the
district
and,
what's
most
appropriate
to
the
style
of
the
house,
and
I
do
agree
that
metal
would
definitely
you
know,
kind
of
make
this
appear
more.
Like
farmhouse,
I
was
just
offering
that
as
an
alternative,
but
if
the
commission
feels
like
it's,
you
know,
okay,
because
it's
not
highly
visible
and
it's
on
the
back.
Then
I
think
you
know
you.
That's
fine!
F
Well-
and
I
feel
like
it,
wouldn't
be
hard
to
do
the
justification
for
not
just
that
it's
in
the
back
and
not
highly
visible,
but
also
that
it
is,
you
know,
logistically
unfeasible
to
have
the
matching
material
because
it
would
set
it
up
for
failure,
and
that
to
me
is
a
is
a
rather
strong
justification.
F
The
other
thought
I
had
is
that,
if,
if,
if
the
entire
roof
for
asphalt-
and
just
the
rear
portion,
that
has
the
low
slope
is
metal
would
having
it
be,
you
know,
is
it
already
in
a
matching
color
like
if
it,
if
it
sort
of
decoys
in
even
further,
that
would
also
help
ease
the
the
pain
of
a
separate
material,
just
a
thought.
Otherwise,
since
I've
got
the
floor,
I
want
to
say
that
you
guys
it
is
definitely
causing
a
lot
less
heartburn
and
I
completely
agree
with
everyone.
F
B
I
B
You
but
the
guidelines
for
metal
roofing
in
montford
are
very
specific
in
terms
of
what
type
of
5v
and
and
like
the
dimensions
for
standing,
seam
so
I'll.
I
can
send
that
to
you
if
it's
helpful.
B
C
Well,
I
would
say
certainly
gail
in
your
point,
in
terms
of
the
shingle
roof
on
that
porch
being
kind
of
technically
infeasible.
You
know
a
different
design
solution
might
eliminate
the
technical
and
feasibility
as
well.
Potentially
there
would
be.
Certainly,
I
would
think
we
could.
There
would
be
precedent
in
montford
for
a
flat
a
flat
roof
in
that
situation
too.
That
would
be
a
membrane
roof,
that's
not
visible.
C
You
know.
Some
rethinking
of
the
design
in
the
back
could
eliminate
the
technical
and
feasibility
altogether.
I
don't
have
particular
you
know.
I
certainly
am
less
bothered
by
the
metal
in
the
back,
for
the
same
reasons
that
everyone
has
been,
but
I
think
you
know
leaving
open
the
possibility
for
a
design
solution
that
doesn't
require
a
compromise
to
to
what's
commonly
found
in
in
montford
is
also
you
know,
there's
still
opportunity
potentially
for
that
as
well.
A
F
G
The
six
windows
that
are
just
boxes
are
those
double
hung
windows
or
what
what
why
are
those
less
illustrated
I'll,
say.
I
L
There
some
natural
light
under
into
that
carport.
There's
there's
you
know
the
door
to
the
lower,
not
the
one
on
the
right,
but
the
one.
L
The
middle
as
well
some
other
windows
into
a
room
back
there
there's
just
some
desire
to
have
some
light
there.
I
just
didn't
put
windows
in
there
because
it
seems
a
little
weird
to
have
a
window
to
two
open-air
areas
just
but
you
know.
A
L
A
weird
condition
so,
but
that's
what
those
are
it's
not
really
per
se
a
panel
or
I
mean
right
now,
it's
a
case
opening
it's
just
cases
the
same
way
as
the
windows
adjacent
to
it
on
the
south
elevation
there's
its
size,
the
same
case
the
same.
G
How
has
there
been
go
ahead?
Oh.
B
C
You
get
this
sort
of
tidal
surge
right
up
at
the
beach
and
they
often
sort
of
lattice
in
these
car
ports
or
create
these
sort
of
window
openings
that
don't
have
any
windows
in
them
as
part
of
that
solution,
because
a
lot
of
the
parking
and
stuff
happens
kind
of
underneath
the
houses,
but
certainly
I
mean
I
think
I
would
it
would
certainly
read
better
from
the
outside.
For
me,
if
it
had,
you
know
double
hung
windows
in
it.
That
looked
just
like
the
house
windows.
C
C
You
know,
even
if
it's
a
little
bit
strange
on
the
you
know
that
it's
just
the
carport,
it's
got
those
that
enclosure
is
intended
to
be
the
same
kind
of
material
treatment
as
the
rest
of
the
foundation
basement
level.
C
Scott,
do
you
feel
like
you've,
gotten
the
feedback
that
you
were
looking
for,
sort
of
on
your
timeline
for
coming
back
in
a
future
month
for
final
approval.
L
Yeah,
I
think
so
I've
I
mean
I
think.
Obviously
I
need
to
talk
to
my
clients
and.
A
L
The
you
know
the
the
comments.
I
L
Have
been
made
and
how
we
would
address
them,
but
I
think
they're
all
within
you
know
the
realm
of
a
you
know:
a
feasible
sort
of
final
presentation
in
a
a
month
and
a
half
or
so.
C
I
think
the
the
next
sort
of
logistics
step
for
you
would
be
to
request
a
continuance
to
a
future
meeting
and
alex.
Maybe
you
can
help
us
with
those
submittal
dates.
Yeah.
B
Okay,
then
now
you
would
just
need
your
request
specifically
to
continue
to
the
february
meeting
and
then
and
then,
let's
see
the
the
resubmittal
deadline
for
let's
see.
B
Is
that's
wrong
month
january
the
19th.
L
E
G
C
G
C
We
will
vote
by
roll
call
vice
chair
spring.
I,
commissioner
lazarus
commissioner
hornaday.
C
E
J
C
B
Thank
you,
chair
kite,
all
right,
so
this
is
a
pretty
straightforward
request
for
some
window
window
modifications
at
the
von
rock
house.
I
realized
that
probably
most
of
you
were
not
able
to
see
the
windows
since
they're
on
the
interior,
so
I'm
just
going
to
guide
you
through
what
we're
looking
at.
So
there
are
some
interior
features.
I
don't
know
if
everyone
looked
at
the
designation
ordinance,
but
there
are
some
interior
features
included
on
the
structure
as
part
of
what's
protected
and
two
of
the
spaces
are
the
historic
conservatory.
B
So
these
kind
of
elliptical
spaces,
and
just
to
give
you
all
a
little
bit
of
context,
the
this
is
actually
this
whole
mass
of
building
is.
It's
was
originally
three
different
structures
that
were
over
time
connected
to
each
other,
so
the
conservatory
has
these
really
cool
big
window
openings
on
the
interior
and
the
plan
is,
is
to
restore
the
number
one
and
two
windows
to
sorry.
B
Now,
I'm
on
the
other
side,
I
was
getting
myself
turned
around
when
I
started
working
on
this,
so
one
and
two
are
being
restored
to
just
the
opening.
There
aren't
windows
in
them.
Currently,
I
guess
maybe
I
just
skipped
adding
them
in
here
or
no
sorry.
I
put
them
in
the
put
them
on
the.
B
Sorry,
one
and
two
or
in
the
west
conservatory
view,
so
that's
here
and
then
the
other
four
windows
have
non-original
like
commercial
type
windows
in
the
openings
currently
three
through
six
and
those
will
be
replaced
with
one
over
one
windows.
The
house
has
as
many
one
over
one
windows
on
it,
so
it'll
just
be
a
really
simple
sash.
B
The
application
does
include
aluminum
cloud
windows,
but
I
talked
with
the
applicant
and
let
him
know
that
the
new
windows
would
need
to
be
wood
and
so
just
need
to
get
that
spec
from
him.
Whenever
it's
ready.
We,
we
didn't
communicate
on
that
in
enough
time
for
him
to
have
that
for
the
meeting
so
and
then.
Lastly,
there
is
a
seventh
window
on
the
back
that
is
being
kind
of
hacked
up.
B
That
is
also
not
not
an
original
window,
then
that
will
be
replaced
with
a
one
over
one
window
as
well,
so
five
window
replacements
of
non-original
windows
and
then
two
just
restoring
the
opening.
So
hopefully
that
makes
sense
to
everyone
and
I'm
not.
E
A
C
E
C
Commissioners,
any
any
questions
for
the
applicant
before
we
take
public
comment.
D
If
nobody
has
concerns,
I
could
read
the
motion.
Okay,.
D
Madam
chair,
based
upon
the
evidence
presented
to
this
commission,
including
exhibit
a
application,
photos
and
plans,
seven
pages
exhibit
b
project
description,
exhibit
c
window
specifications,
three
pages
exhibit
d,
vonrock
house
landmark
designation
report,
11
pages,
exhibit
e
vonrock
house
landmark
designation,
ordinance,
four
pages
and
the
commissioner's
actual
inspection
and
review
of
sort
of
property
by
all
members
accepts.
I
mean
that
this
commission
approve
the
certificate
of
appropriateness
based
on
the
following
one,
that
the
application
is
to
restore
two
existing
window.
D
Openings
on
interior
of
west
conservatory
replace
four
existing
non-original
commercial
style
windows
on
interior
of
east
conservatory,
with
new
one
over
one
wood
double
hung
windows
replace
one
existing
non-original
exterior
window
on
west
elevation
with
a
new
one.
Over
one
wood
double
hung
window,
all
work
will
be
in
accordance
with
attached
drawings
and
plans.
All
permits,
variances
or
approvals,
as
required
by
law,
must
be
obtained
before
work
may
commence.
D
Two:
that
the
secretary
of
the
interior
standards
for
rehabilitation,
specifically
the
standards
for
windows,
were
used
to
evaluate
this
request.
Three,
this
application
does
meet
the
design
standards
for
the
following
reasons:
a
windows
are
being
replaced
are
not
original
or
historic.
B.
New
window
units
will
be
wood
and
compatible
with
the
existing
windows
on
the
building
and
existing
openings
for
that.
The
action
and
improvements
proposed
in
the
application
before
us
for
a
certificate
of
appropriateness
are
congruence
with
the
special
historic
character
of
the
vonrock
house.
N
A
J
D
C
C
I
think
we're
ready
to
move
to
our
next.
Our
next
project.
C
B
C
Okay,
so
we'll
go
for
the
next
two
projects:
jamie
and
lee,
I'm
going
to
read,
read
the
oath
for
your
testimony
and
I
will
ask
you
by
name
to
swear
or
affirm
when
I'm
done.
Reading.
Okay,
please
raise
your
right
hand.
Do
you
solemnly
swear
or
affirm
that
the
information
you
present
during
the
hearing
for
a
certificate
of
appropriateness
before
the
historic
resources
commission
shall
be
the
truth,
the
whole
truth
and
nothing
but
the
truth.
Jamie
ashburn,
yes,
okay,
lee
duggar.
P
B
All
righty,
so
this
application
is,
let
me
get
where
I
need
to
be
in
my
slideshow,
also
pretty
simple
request.
I
just
included
some
photos
in
my
slideshow
to
give
you
some
context.
This
the
photo
on
the
right
is
the
front
elevation
of
the
house.
It's
kind
of
it's
set
back
from
the
street.
It's
a
little
bit
hard
to
see
this
area.
If
you
didn't
go
creep
around
in
jamie's
yard
like
I
did,
but
the
so
the
the
picture
on
the
left
you're
kind
of
looking
at
the
walk
you're.
B
This
is
as
you're
walking
up
to
where
the
porch
kind
of
get
the
steps
go
up
to
the
porch
on
the
left
hand,
side
of
the
house.
So
this
is
the
south
elevation
that
we're
talking
about.
This
is
a
photo
looking
directly
up
the
area
in
question,
so
the
propose
there's
an
existing
deck
here
that
is
kind
of
interesting
in
that
it
extends
off
of
the
front
porch
and
then
it
it
does
have
a
railing.
B
But
the
railing,
if
you're,
standing
where
I'm
standing,
is
it's
kind
of
hard
to
explain
without
seeing
it
in
person
so
like
where
I'm
standing
right
here,
I'm
looking
at
flint
street
the
deck
area
is
to
the
left
and
then
that
railing
is
actually
out
beyond
a
little
stone
patio,
that's
a
step
below
the
deck,
so
that
kind
of
threw
me
off
at
first,
so
just
to
explain
that
to
you
all
so
that,
hopefully
it
makes
a
little
more
sense
what
what
the
site
conditions
are
like.
B
Currently,
the
picture
on
the
left
on
this
side
is
looking
towards
the
backyard,
and
then
here
are
the
renderings,
so
existing
is
obviously
sort
of
non-comply
and
it's
it's
sort
of
hovering
between
a
deck
and
a
porch,
but
it
doesn't
have
a
covering
on
it
and
it
is
on
the
side.
So
you
know
someone
came
to
the
commission
in
this
day
and
age
and
wanted
to
put
a
deck
on
the
side
elevation,
obviously
that
we
would
not
be
able
to
approve
that.
B
So
this,
I
think,
is
actually
adding
a
covering
over
this
little
section
of
exposed.
Deck
is
in
some
ways
bringing
it
back
to
more
of
a
you
know,
conforming
with
the
design
standard,
so
the
drawing
on
the
bottom.
This
is
basically
existing
and
proposed
so
bottom
right,
you're
looking
at
this,
you
know
gable
and
covering
that
it
will
extend
out
over
the
existing
deck.
B
The
only
concern
that
I
really
noted
to
the
applicant
is
the
exposed
gable
end.
I
think,
in
order
for
it
to
be
consistent
with
the
design
standards
which
state
that
new
porches
should
be
compatible
with
the
existing
structure
in
terms
of
reform,
scale,
details,
material
and
color.
I
think
that
the
gable
end
should
be
finished
out.
Much
like
this
little
guy,
that's
on
the
south
elevation
in
order
for
it
to
meet
that
standard.
B
The
other
thing
I've
asked
for
is
for
a
brick
sample
for
this
outdoor
fireplace
we
haven't
had
too
many
applications
come
through
that
have
outdoor
fireplaces.
So
it's
a
little
bit
of
a
one-off.
I
can't
I
can
say
that
we've
had
probably
two
or
three
the
the
you
know
the
usually
the
the
the
fireplace
was
kind
of
more
contained
within
a
porch,
but
this
will
pretty
much
be
visible
from
only
this
house.
B
I
don't,
and
I
don't
see
really
any
so
I
don't
really
see
any
issue
with
with
it
being
in
this
location,
and
you
will
never
really
see
that
the
little
the
the
little
chimney
pipe
from
the
front
of
the
house
either.
So
I've
not
known
any
concerns
about
that.
There's
already
the
existing
railing,
that's
kind
of
out
beyond-
and
this
is
you
know.
B
Obviously
the
great
change
from
that
the
deck
actually
to
the
to
the
ground
is
is
low
enough
to
where
they
don't
need
a
railing
within
the
posts
on
this
covering
so
so.
In
any
case,
I've
not
noted
any
other
concerns,
except
for
the
gable
end
really,
and
just
one
last
slide
to
give
you
contacts.
This
is
the
area
in
question.
That's
the
on
the
south
elevation
of
the
house.
So
that's
all
I
have
for
this
staff
report
and
any
questions.
I'm
happy
to
answer
for
you.
C
C
B
B
A
C
Commissioners
are
there
other
other
questions
for
alex.
G
Alex
to
close
in
that
gable,
would
you
match
over
the
bay
window
for
shingle
or
lap
siding.
B
O
C
C
I
think
I've
got
a
little
bit
of
concern
about
the
exposed
gable
end
as
well.
I
think
it's
a
little
bit
of
a
challenge
because
for
two
reasons,
one,
I
think
closing
it
in
it
looks
like
the
existing
gable.
Has
that
sort
of
little
flare
detail
at
the
bottom?
That's
that's
kind
of
interesting.
If
we
look
to
the
porch,
the
wraparound
porch,
that's
to
the
right
of
where
this
porch
would
be,
that's
got
sort
of
a
hipped
condition.
C
That's
got
a
real
shallow
slope
that
sort
of
tucks
in
under
the
the
main
eve
line
of
the
house,
which
is
certainly
the
right
solution
on
that
side
of
the
porch
as
it
wraps
around.
You
know
it's
not
a
straight
sort
of
coming
off
the
end
with
a
gable,
but
I
sort
of
wonder
if
that's
a
a
possible
solution
in
this
case
and
the
geometry
may
not
work
based
on
whatever
the
widths
of
that
porch
are.
It
may
not
be.
C
C
I'm
I'm
moving
just
sort
of
wondering
out
loud
just
in
terms
of
looking
how
the
porch
that's
to
the
right
of
that
bay
window.
That
would
be,
you
know,
to
the
right
of
where
this
new
port,
this
new
roof
would
be
that's
how
that
porch
is
addressed
as
a
hip
with
a
sort
of
low
slope
that
tucks
in
under
the
e.
Now
the
geometry
is
very
different
as
it
wraps
around
the
corner.
C
You
know
the
corner
of
the
house.
The
hip
is
the
logical
choice
there
and
it
may
not
work
in
this
case,
but
I'm
sort
of
just
wondering
out
loud
looking
for
the
detailing
that's
already
available
at
the
house
and
have
it.
O
O
Is
you
know
twice
as
far
I
guess
and,
and
it
would
by
the
time
it
gets
to
the
end
because
of
the
slope
needed
for
you
know
shingles
it
would.
It
would
be
like
seven
feet
off
the
ground,
maybe
even
six
feet.
C
C
Yeah,
a
hip
would
be
a
different
than
different
than
a
than
a
shed
roof
because
you're
slow,
you
would
still
come
up
to
a
ridge
in
the
middle.
C
C
You'd
have
to
play
with
it,
I'm
just
suggesting
that
either
of
those
two
solutions
to
filling
in
the
gable
or
maybe
a
hip
might
be
more
consistent
with
the
detailing.
That's
already
present
on
the
house
than
an
exposed,
truss
kind
of
gable
end.
O
They
all
are
there,
they
all
they
all
access
into
the
attic.
So
they
have
that
if
you're
not
sure
what
you're
asking
if
you're
asking
about
that
attic
vent
in
the
in
the
gable.
B
This
might
be
a
really
wacky
idea,
but
what?
If?
What?
If
the
gable
like
what
if
it
was
as
proposed,
but
instead
of
the
like
open
trussing,
it
was
enclosed
with
shingles,
and
then
there
was
a
faux
vent
that
was
didn't,
have
the
louvers
in
it.
So
it
was
just
like
open.
You
know
like
almost
like
a
little
window,
but
it
kind
of
mimics
the
same
appearance
as
the
other
gable
ends,
so
that
you
could
at
least
get
some
light
through
there.
Does
that
sound
like
a
crazy
idea.
D
I
think
I
think
that
sounds
like
a
a
compromise
solution
to
you
know.
If
you
close
the
gable,
then
it
looks
more
like
the
rest
of
the
house,
but
you
can
still
get
sky
view
if
you,
if
you
opened
up,
you
know
like
a
basically
a
window
there
without
the
window
in
it.
Is
that
kind
of
what
you
were
thinking
alex
yeah.
B
So
you
would
just
basically
have
like
the
same
shape
as
the
as
the
you
know.
Little
bits
that
are
on
the
existing
gables
and
then
you
just
wouldn't
have
the
interior
louvered
part
or
the
venting
part.
It
would
just
be
open
like
a
little
window
so
that
you
could
at
least
get
some
light
in
there
jamie,
because
I
I
do
understand
that
like
having
something
up
a
little
higher
you
know
brings
the
the
light
in
to
kind
of
direct
it
at
the
you
know,
probably
where
you're
going
to
be
sitting
in
the
space.
O
B
E
B
C
I
think
that
we
certainly
talk
about
rear
elevations
quite
a
bit
in
terms
of
there
being
things
that
are
more
opportunity
for
variety,
on
the
backs
of
houses.
But
in
this
particular
case
I'm
inclined
to
follow
the
you
know,
compatibility
with
the
with
the
detailing
that's
present
on
the
house
and
the
standard
that
you
cited.
O
G
As
well
as
yeah
yeah,
and
that
that
does
in
the
open
window
box
to
allow
some
light
and
if
you,
if
it's
not
in
the
way
of
in
the
middle
of
structure,
the
support
structure.
C
It
doesn't
have
to
be,
no,
I
don't
think
so.
Okay,.
D
D
Okay,
I
had
a
unrelated
question
on
the
size
of
the
supports
for
the
porch,
it's
hard
hard
for
me
to
see
on
the
drawing,
because
it's
not
close
enough.
But
what
were
the
sizes
of
those
posts.
D
A
D
J
Add
I
didn't
know
if
those
names
were
a
little
bit
chunkier,
if
that
would
make
it
a
little
look
a
little
less
contemporary,
but
if
they're
already
six
feet,
six,
that's
pretty
big
or
if,
where
it
meets
the
roof,
if
it
also
had
a
beam
that
came,
I
don't
know
what
you'd
call
it
a
soffit,
maybe,
but
that
that
swarm
and
mimic
the
same
width
and
that
way
there
doesn't
appear
to
be
so
much
like
you
still
get
light
in
there,
but
it's
not
quite
as
open
as
it
appears
right
now.
C
C
It
sounds
like
we've
got.
There
are
other
comments
before
I
summarize
where
we're
at
at
this
point.
C
C
O
O
The
guy
who
would
be
my
mason,
is
obviously
backed
up
like
everyone
right
hasn't
been
able
to
get
to
me,
so
he
did.
A
O
He
could
pretty
easily
match
the
existing
brick
chimneys
on
the
house
so,
but
I
could
easily
submit
a
sample
to
alex
how.
How
would
you,
how
would
I,
how
would
you
verify
it,
matches
the
existing
frick
on
my
chimneys?
If
I
don't
have
a
loose
brick,
I
guess.
B
From
my
chimney,
you
really
probably
just
have
to
do
it
from
a
photograph.
A
B
And
I
you
know,
I
don't
have
a
strong
opinion
that
it
has
to
be
any
like
exact
match
to
the
brick
chimneys
on
the
house.
I
mean,
I
think,
it's
ideal
if
it
does,
but
I
I
don't,
I
don't
unless
the
commission
thinks
otherwise,
but
I
think
these
are
all
things
that
you
could
that
the
commission
could
make
like
the
the
change
to
the
gable
end
and
the
you
know,
the
the
final
fireplace
choice
could
be
staff
level
review.
B
I'm
totally
fine
with
that,
because
it
seemed
like
you
guys
were
all
in
consensus
on
what
the
gable
end
should
look
like
as
far
as
the
finished
materials
and
appearance.
So-
and
I
see
that
the
to
me,
the
brick
fireplace-
is
it's
almost
a
landscape
feature,
even
though
it's
going
to
be
within
this
little
porch
to
me.
B
I
don't
know
if
the
commission
sees
it
that
way,
but
I
see
it
as
kind
of
like
not
the
most.
It's
not
going
to
be
very
visible.
I
think
you
know
we
can
easily
work
with
jamie
at
staff
level
to
review
what
the
final
choice
is
for
the
fireplace.
C
So
jamie,
I
think
your
two
choice,
your
two
options,
based
on
the
feedback
from
alex
and
from
the
commission
at
this
stage,
would
be
to
either
amend
your
application
verbally
to
to
describe
the
changes
to
the
gable
end
that
that
we
have
discussed
today.
C
O
Enough
verbally,
okay,
you
may
go
ahead
and
do
that
now.
Yes,
so
I
can
I'll
change
the
gable
opening,
so
it
is
cedar
shake.
O
You
know,
mirroring
the
gable
next
to
it
there
in
the
bay
window,
with
a
window
opening
similar
to
the
window,
opening
there
on
the
cable
and
change
it
change
it
that
way,
and
then
I
can
submit
for
examples
to
alex
for
approval
when
I
get
to
that
stage.
C
G
G
Seven
pages,
exhibit
b
photos
of
subject,
part
property,
five
pages
c
additional
photographs
taken
by
staff
december
7th
2021,
three
pages,
exhibit
d
site
plans,
two
pages
received
december,
8th
2021
was
there
another
exhibit
nope
and
the
commission's
actual
inspection
and
review
of
the
proper
property
by
all
members,
except
I
move
that
this
commission
approved
the
certificate
of
appropriateness
based
on
the
following
that
the
application
is
to
extend
existing
deck
out
three
feet
and
construct
gable
and
roof
covering
over
existing
deck
on
south
elevation,
covering
will
be
supported
by
six
by
six
wood
posts
and
we'll
have
asphalt,
shingles
matching
the
roof,
shingle
roof
roof
matching
existing
all
wood
elements
will
be
painted
to
match.
G
How
small
is
there
a
window
installed?
Is
that
now
I
know
and
then
open
a
window
matching
that
above
the
bay
window,
all
war
oh
painted
the
match
house
construct.
New
brick,
fireplace
within
covered
area
chimney
will
vent
through
metal.
G
All
work
will
be
in
accordance
with
attached
drawings
and
plans.
All
permits,
variances
or
approvals,
as
requested
as
required
by
law,
must
be
obtained
before
work
rank
events,
two
that
the
standards
for
porches
entrances
and
balconies
found
on
page
72
through
73
of
the
montford
historic
design
review
standards
adopted
april
14,
2010
and
amended
december
9th
2019
were
used
to
evaluate
this
request.
G
New
porch
is
compatible
with
existing
structure
in
terms
of
reform,
scale,
details,
material
and
color
c.
New
porch
will
not
obscure
any
character.
Defining
features
number
four
that
the
actions
and
improvements
proposed
in
the
application
before
us
for
a
certificate
of
appropriateness
are
congruence.
C
G
Based
upon
the
four
going
findings
and
for
the
reasons
set
forth
they're
in
I
move
that
a
certificate
of
appropriateness
be
issued
with
the
following
conditions.
Revised
drawings
will
be
submitted
for
staff
review
and
approval.
C
E
O
C
B
Okay,
thank
you.
The
application
for
327
monford
avenue
is
sorry.
I
lost
my
headphones
to
they're,
proposing
a
three
foot
tall,
metal,
picket
fence
in
the
front
yard.
B
This
is
the
first
fence
we've
had
in
the
front
yard
we've
had
in
a
while,
and
we
talked
about
gates
a
lot
for
the
one
on
pearson
more
recently,
but
just
to
give
some
kind
of
general
information
to
for
some
of
our
newer
appointees
on
fences
and
front
yards
and
montford
generally
fences
in
front
yards
were
not
super
common.
Historically
in
montford,
there
are
some
historic
examples.
B
A
few
a
few
metal
picket
fences,
the
most
common
type
of
front
fence
or
fencing
found
in
the
district,
was
locust
post
with
with
wire.
Historically,
the
the
this
area
was
more
rural
in
in
its
character.
So
mostly
it
was
like
kind
of
open.
B
B
The
commission
has
approved
fences
in
front
yards
in
some
very
limited
circumstances,
and
I
can
go
through
I've
been
here
long
enough
to
see
a
handful
of
princes
come
through
and
I
can
tell
you
they've
always
been
these
kind
of
like
hotly
debated
items,
so
I
can
go
through
kind
of
some
of
the
examples,
especially
the
immediate,
the
ones
that
are
immediately
adjacent
to
this
property,
since
they
were
noted
as
examples
by
the
applicant
in
his
in
his
application
packet.
B
So
the
fence
on
the
bottom
left
is
immediately
next
door
to
this
house
or
two
houses
down.
If
you
recall,
I
think
it's
three
331
montford
something
like
that
and
this
fence
actually
was
the
whole.
We
amended
the
guidelines
in
2016.
B
at
that
point
in
time.
The
guidelines
required
only
wood,
picket
fences
in
front
yards
and
not
for
to
go
to
the
commission
for
major
work
review.
I
was
seeing
this
kind
of
back
then
I
was
still
reviewing
minor
works
and
I
was
seeing
this
kind
of
proliferation
of
fences
fence
applications
in
front
yards.
That
was
making
me
uncomfortable
as
a
staff
person
to
approving
it's
just
seemed
more
subjective
than
what
staff
should
be
approving.
B
So
this,
the
metal,
picket
fence
on
the
bottom
left
is
was
was
the
impetus
for
us
going
to
the
community
and
saying
hey?
Do
you
agree
that
you
know
these
guidelines
related
to
fences
and
front
yards
being
discouraged?
Do
you
agree
that
you
know
we?
B
We
think
this
is
of
concern
and
we
want
to
make
offenses
in
front
yards
and
montford
go
to
the
commission,
so
we
they
agreed-
and
we
admitted
the
guidelines
at
that
time
to
require
offenses
go
to
the
commission,
but
the
one
on
the
bottom
left
was
approved
as
a
minor
work
before
that
happened,
since
it
technically
does
meet
the
standards
and
you
know
being
metal,
and
it
is
consistent
with
architectural
style
of
the
house.
B
The
one
on
the
top
right
came
to
the
commission
a
few
times
the
first
time
around.
That
was
part
of
the
overall
renovation
package
for
this
house.
At
that
point
in
time
the
commission
was
not
supportive
of
just
it
seemed
like
there
was
not
consensus.
There
were
definitely
commissioners
who
were
strongly
opposed
to
approving
the
fence.
So
at
that
point
in
time
it
was
the
contractors
that
were
the
applicants
for
the
renovation
project,
so
they
elected
to
withdraw
the
fence.
B
It
got
resubmitted
at
a
later
date
and
ultimately
approved
by
the
commission,
primarily
because
there's
a
bus
stop
in
front
of
this
property
and
the
the
property
owners
felt
like
that.
I
guess
there
were
people
that
were
wait,
there's
not
a
place
to
sit
to
wait
for
the
bus
at
this
particular
location.
There,
unfortunately,
based
on
the
photo
on
the
right,
it
looks
like
they
never
planted
the
required
landscaping.
B
That
was
supposed
to
go
in
front
of
the
fence,
and
that
was
definitely
a
stipulation
that
the
commission
made,
as
they
did
with
the
fence
on
pearson,
for
that
for
that
kind
of
larger
property,
where
we
were
looking
at
the
gates
more
recently,
that
one
also
was
approved.
If
some
of
you
will
recall,
because
there
had
been
a
fence
on
that
on
that
parcel
before
there
was
a
chain
link
fence
and
they
were
replacing
it.
B
So
the
commission
had
very
specific
reasons
in
those
two
instances
to
they
made
very
specific
reasons
for
supporting
fences
in
those
two
locations
other
than
that
I've
not
seen
I've
seen
the
commission
allow
wood,
picket,
fencing
on
magnolia
avenue
and
short
street,
because
there
are,
they
have
much
shallower
yards
they're.
You
know
picket
fences
kind
of
already
existing
in
those
areas,
so
those
are
kind
of
the
limited,
limited
spaces
that
the
commissioners
felt
like
they
were
historically
appropriate
to
the
neighborhood.
B
I
think
it
reads
something
like
you
pull
up
my
design
standards
that
says
that
basically,
fences
may
not
be
appropriate
for
prominent
properties.
B
This
is
a
newer
house,
so
I
don't
know
like
you
know
we
don't
define
what
prominent
properties
mean,
but
certainly
the
kind
of
more
expansive
lawns
on
montford
and
cumberland
avenue
are
to
me
where
I
see
like
the
the
visual
impact
being
a
negative
one
as
far
as
allowing
fencing
to
proliferate.
Without
you
know,
having
a
very
specific
reason
and
a
given
given
circumstance
outside
of
just
I
have
I
have
safety
needs
or
I
have
a
dog,
and
I
do
think
and
I'll.
B
Let
lee
speak
to
this
on
behalf
of
the
property
owner,
but
it
does
seem
like
there's
space
in
the
rear
yard
to
accommodate
fencing
if
it
is
for
the
purpose
of
you
know,
say
like
having
pets
or
children
run
around
with
some
sense
of
security.
So
in
any
case,
I
am
not
recommending
in
favor
of
this
sense,
and
I
with
that
I'm
happy
to
answer
questions.
If
the
commission
has
any
for
me.
B
I
don't,
I
didn't
include
any
notes
on
landscaping.
We
generally
don't
even
require
a
ca
for
landscaping,
they're,
they're
kind
of
just
making
improvements
to
the
existing
landscaping.
So
I
don't
have,
I
didn't
know
any
concerns
there.
C
P
P
You
got
me
now:
okay,
yep
across
the
street.
There
is,
there
is
the
perennials
planting
and
I
don't
know
if
that
was
part
of
the
consideration
having
a
buffer
between
the
sidewalk
kind
of
facing
the
the
fencing
somewhat.
P
But
there
is
there
is
that
proposal
and
I
didn't
know
also
if,
if
the
setback,
if
it
made
any
difference,
it
may
or
may
not.
If
it's
further
back
than
the
three
feet
that
I
had
suggested,
you
know
to
get
it
further
back
into
the
front
front
yard
yeah.
So
the
clients
just
presented
me
with
the
idea,
if
you
know
to
see
if
it
would
make
sense
and
one
of
the
issues
is
a
couple
of
them-
was
safety
and
then,
of
course
that
was
the
primary
one.
P
P
C
G
D
I
would
agree
with
staff
as
well.
It
does
seem
to
me
that
in
the
past
the
ones
that
the
commission
has
approved
are
the
ones
that
are
sort
of
the
extraordinary
circumstance
type
of
cases.
So
I
would
also
be
opposed.
C
I
think
I
fall
in
that
boat
as
well,
and
I
think
I
not
that
this
is
any
bearing
on
the
this
current
application,
but
you
know,
I
think,
there's
conditions
that
we
also
discuss
pretty
heavily
when
we
consider
fences
in
those
extraordinary
circumstances-
and
you
know
buffering
and
screening
and
landscaping
of
those
things
are
pretty
important
in
those
conversations,
and
so
it's
hard
to
you
know,
I
don't
know
that.
There's
been
a
compelling
extraordinary
circumstance
presented
in
this
particular
situation.
B
So
it
sounds
like
there's
pretty
much
consensus
from
the
commission
lee.
I
think
you
know
your
your
options
are
would
be
to
just
ask
for
a
vote
today
sounds
like
it
may
not
be
approved
or
you
can
withdraw
the
application,
whichever
you
would
prefer.
If
the
kind
of
one
thing
important
to
point
out
is
that
if
you
elect
to
have
the
application
go
through
a
vote
and
they
vote
no,
then
you,
you
can't
resubmit
an
application
for
the
same
thing
in
the
future
and
janice.
N
N
G
Alex
I
had
a
quick
question
for
you
real
fast.
Is
that
wheel,
stop
and
this
on
that
secondary
parking
area
in
the
front
yard?
Is
that
drawing
more
attention
to
the
parking
in
the
front
yard
then.
B
I
don't
really
think
so:
we've
allowed
those
before
is
it
lee.
Is
the
wheel
stop
going
to
be
like
just
concrete
or
so.
B
P
I
really
haven't
moved
that
far
on
it.
I
think
it
was
going
to
be
something
more
native,
like
a
locust,
6x6
spiked
in.
B
B
We've
allowed,
I
mean
they've
been
more,
is
obviously
more
typical
for
a
commercial
property
to
have
this,
but
we've
allowed,
like
we've
allowed
concrete,
we've
allowed
kind
of
concrete
colored
synthetic
bumpers
just
so
that
kind
of
blends
in
with
whatever
the
paving
is,
is
what
we've
typically
gone
with
in
the
past,
but
it
doesn't
come
up
very
often
so.
C
Alex
if
the
fences
is
what
eliminated
from
the
application,
is
there
really
even
an
application
process
necessary?
I
mean.
B
I
guess
technically,
we
should
probably
issue
a
ca
for
the
bumper,
if
that's
a
new
feature
within
the
landscape,
but
but
we
could
obviously
just
do
that
at
you
know
as
minor
work.
So
if
he
wants
to
amend
the
application
to
take
the
fence
out,
then
we
can
just
call
it,
and-
and
I
can
we
can
review
it
and
issue
a
minor
works
da
for
the
just
the
other
site.
Improvements.
P
A
A
B
We
can
just
review
the
rest
as
minor
work.
B
B
B
N
C
All
right
next
on
the
agenda
is
six
houston
street,
also
in
montford,
and
I
will
we'll
start
off
with
alex
with
your
report.
B
Okay,
thank
you.
So
this
is
for
construction
of
a
new
primary
structure.
I
am
just
looking
at
the
square
footage
and
I
listed
in
my
staff
report,
which
is
totally
incorrect.
B
It's
a
pretty
small
little
one
story
house
and
a
new
in
one
of
the
newly
subject:
subdivided
lots
on
houston
street.
Sorry,
I'm
going
to
try
to
pull
up
the
new
construction
worksheet
real
quick.
So
I
can
tell
you
what
the
what
the
square
correct
square
footage
is.
1320.
B
B
So
here
are
the
perspective
renderings
and
I
can
pull
up
the
elevations.
I
didn't
include
them
in
my
in
my
presentation.
I
was
just
including
the
perspectives
from
I
thought
they
were
most
helpful,
but
it's
a
fairly
simple
little
bungalow
structure,
charles
and
I
have
gone
back
and
forth
a
little
bit
on
the
windows.
This
was
the
first
iteration
that
we
looked
at
together
when
we
had
this
pre-application
meeting.
B
I
noted
that
you
know
maybe
like
a
maybe
a
more
craftsman
style
or
like
a
three
over
one
or
four
over
one
window
with
only
vertical
mullions
would
be
the
better
option,
but
this
was
this.
This
is
his
first
choice
and
after
kind
of
driving
around
through
montford
charles
submitted
some
examples,
too,
of
different
windows.
Styles,
on
on
bungalows,
in
the
district
and
after
kind
of
driving
around
and
looking
at
them
like.
B
B
The
first
iteration
included
a
like
a
covered
parking
piece
on
the
right
hand,
side
of
the
house,
and
I
I
discouraged
that
that
from
being
included
in
the
design,
so
charles
amended
the
plans
based
on
my
feedback,
and
I
think
overall,
this
is
probably
one
of
the
more
straightforward
new
construction
applications.
I've
seen
come
through
and
I
don't
really
have
too
much
concern.
B
I
did
know
that
the
front
porch
posts
are
six
by
six
excuse
me
and
I
wondered
if
they
might
be
a
little
bit
wider,
just
to
kind
of
more
clearly
read
as
bungalow,
but
I'm
also
not
that's,
also
not
a
strong
concern.
I
think
that,
overall,
the
design
of
the
front
porch
is
consistent
with
other
bungalow
style
porches
found
in
the
neighborhood.
B
I,
the
color
palette,
is
kind
of
the
more
basics
down,
on
the
right
hand,
side
just
more
basic
kind
of
single
color,
which
also
I
noted
as
a
as
just
something
to
put
out
there
for
discussion.
But
I
do
agree
that
there's
kind
of
a
variety
of
different
colored
choices
for
bungalow
style,
although
in
our
design,
standards,
they're
kind
of
listed
out
as
having
more
earth
tones.
B
But
I
think
that
there's
plenty
of
room
for
a
variation
on
that
in
moppered,
and
I
think
I
just
somehow
I
think
I'm
I'm
looking
at
the
wrong
staff
report.
Like
I
think
I
just
printed
this,
and
it's
got
all
the
information
from
the
other
new
construction
project.
H
B
Were
looking
at,
and
maybe
I
made
some
errors
on
this
or
didn't
edit
it
accordingly,
but
I
think
that
I
initially
had
some
concerns
about
the
lack
of
landscaping
shown
on
the
plans,
but
the
applicants
did
submit
a
revised
landscaping
plan
based
on
my
my
feedback,
which
is
in
the
packet
to
include
some
more
foundation,
plantings
and
a
variety
of
plant
material
to
screen
the
the
parking
and
foundation
plantings
and
some
trees.
B
So
overall,
I
really
think
this
is
a
kind
of
a
no-brainer
if
you
will
for
a
primary
structure
design-
and
I
don't
see
any
issues
around
around
approving
it.
So
if
you
have
any
questions,
I
am
happy
to
answer
and
I
can
pull
up
any
of
the
other
drawings
if
it's
helpful.
C
B
Yeah,
but
I
think
you
know
this
one,
at
least
the
house
is
small
enough
and
designed
to
really
allow
for
the
parking
to
be
off
to
one
side.
So
I
you
know,
that's
it's.
This
is
just
that
part
of
the
neighborhood
where
everything's
very
tight,
and
I
think
that
they
that
charles
did
a
good
job
of
listening
to
my
feedback
and
really
bringing
the
parking
as
far
over
as
possible.
C
G
That
water
feature
on
the
front
is
that
that's
still
that's
what
how
common
is
that.
B
I
mean
I
don't
know,
I
couldn't
tell
you
because
I'm
sure
that
there
are
plenty
of
places
in
mind
for
where
people
have
built
like
little.
You
know
little
garden
ponds
that
we
just
don't
know
about.
You
know
we
don't
get
super
down
on
the
weeds
in
terms
of
landscape
unless
it's
related
to
new
construction
or
if
it's
kind
of
more
of
a
vertical
feature
within
the
landscape.
B
B
B
I
did
get
an
application
recently
for
a
waterfall
feature
that
I
could
safely
say
was
not
appropriate
to
mop
for
it,
but
it
was
bigger
kind
of
more
like
you
know,
like
something
you'd
see
in
a
in
the
forest
versus
you
know
in
an
urban
neighborhood.
So
but
this
to
me
it
just
reads
more:
like
a
softening
in
the
landscape,
I
guess.
C
C
Charles,
do
you
have
anything
else
that
you'd
like
to
share
with
the
commission.
M
Well,
let's
start
in
reverse
order,
I
guess
the
little
pond
that
I
want
to
do.
I
didn't
know
whether
that
was
required
as
a
part
of
this
application
or
not.
M
So
I
thought
it
would
be
better
to
disclose
it
and
include
it,
and
I
will
also
say
that
I
did
the
montford
garden
tour
this
spring
and
found
lots
of
delightful
small
water
features,
and
that
is
what
generated
this
idea,
and
one
in
particular
is
a
little
house
on
short
street,
a
tiny
little
bungalow
that
had
a
tiny
little
water
feature
right,
adjacent
to
the
front,
walk
going
up
to
the
porch
and
it's
very
attractive
visually
and
just
sort
of
a
little
babbling
brook
there
was
enough
of
a
noise
to
let
you
realize,
there's
water
there,
and
I
just
thought
it
was
very
attractive,
and
I
certainly
this
is
going
to
be
small
in
keeping
with
the
house
and
you'll
have
to
walk
right
past
it
to
see
it
probably
I'll-
probably
landscape,
rather
heavily
around
it
with
grasses
and
things
like
that
to
pretty
much
hide
it
all,
except
the
stone
coping
that
would
go
around
it.
M
The
other
comment,
I
guess
is
I
initially
wanted
the
little
carport
on
the
side.
I
couldn't
find
a
president
in
montford.
There
is
one
on
fulton
street
in
five
points,
a
little
bungalow
similar
in
size
and
form
to
mine.
That
has
a
little
port
cochair
off
the
side,
and
I
really
wanted
that
for
a
couple
of
reasons.
M
But
additionally,
parking
in
this
area
is,
we
are
very
parking,
is
a
premium
and
it's
already
congested,
and
I
thought
that
if
I
put
a
little
port
co-chair
off
to
the
side,
it
would
then
create
a
place
for
me
to
park
and
then
an
additional
car
behind
me
in
the
driveway.
M
I
happen
to
know:
what's
coming
next,
the
house
that
you
just
approved
behind
me
on
cortland,
that's
aaron,
zalin,
I've
gotten
to
know
him
pretty.
Well,
he
is
going
to
build,
and
that
has
a
separate
adu
under
it
and
he
is
going
to
build
the
same
type
of
thing.
He
also
owns
the
lot
next
to
me
to
the
south
on
houston
and
he's
going
to
build
the
same
type
of
thing
there,
and
I
think
when
he
does,
that
it's
also
going
to
have
a
separate
adu
under
it.
M
He
starts
to
get
into
that
curve
where
parking
is
not
allowed
so
when
he
builds
there
with
an
adu
underneath
the
parking
which
is
already
bad
is
going
to
be
badly
exasperated
exacerbated.
M
So
I
I
just
I
was
trying
to
do
what
I
could
to
eliminate
as
much
of
a
parking
problem
as
I
could
other
than
that.
I
don't
have
any
comment.
I
think
that
worked
through
the
windows,
if
alex,
is
happy
now
with
the
four
over
one
that
I've
shown
open
to
other
options.
If
the
commission
wants
to
discuss
that
the
porch,
I
think
we've
worked
for
that.
C
Thank
you
we'll
close
the
floor
for
public
comment
commissioner's
other
comments
and
discussion
on
this
application.
F
C
I
certainly
agree,
and
I
appreciate
the
sort
of
the
relate
the
relationship
that
the
house
has
to
the
site.
I
think
sometimes
we
see
projects
that
really
try
to
maximize
every
square
inch
of
of
house
that
could
possibly
fit
on
some
some
really
small
houses,
and
I
think
this
one
doesn't
has
a
really
nice
balance
to
it
that
we
don't
always
see
and
has
been
you
know
really
sensitive
to
its
placement
and
and
its
style
and
its
scale
in
comparison
to
you
know
its
lot
size
and
things.
So
I
really
appreciate
that.
C
H
G
I
agree
as
well.
I
have
one
question
for
the
architects
of
the
and
the
homeowner
and
really
callers
anybody
who
wants
to
mention
this.
The
on,
if
you
go
down,
go
down
a
a
one
picture
alex
22,
please.
G
Mr
cushman,
the
front
porch
height
of
the
of
the
railing,
it's
right
at
the
bottom
of
the
it's
you're
doing
everything
right
it's
at
the
bottom
of
the.
What
is
that
height
of
the
porch
railing
covered
railing.
C
M
G
You
know
sometimes
that
it
just
sometimes
looks
a
little
leggy
compared
to
like
your
next
door,
neighbor
with
the
with
the
rail
one
right.
G
A
little
shorter
but
but
there's
no
drop
off.
It
is
sometimes
that
visually
doesn't
read
as
historically
when
it's
that
when
it
has
that
extra
two
or
three
inches-
that's
not,
I
I
I
think
you've
done
a
wonderful
job
at
the
house
and
and
I'm
eager
to
see
the
water
feature,
and
but
I
I
is
there
a
way
around.
B
P
G
B
C
C
M
C
I
think,
having
it
a
consistent
height
as
it
turns
the
corner
is
probably
better
alex.
Can
you
switch
to
the
next
slide?
That's
got
some
of
the
precedent
photographs
that
we
we
looked
at.
I
think
one
thing
that's
maybe
true
in
all
of
those
pictures,
regardless
of
what
the
dimension
is,
they
all
really
align
with
the
sill
height
of
those
windows
right,
I
think
for
me,
that's
the
relationship
that
feels
more
important
than
you
know,
playing
with
an
exact
measurement.
C
B
C
But
well,
I
would
say,
alex
I
feel
like
this
is,
is
doing
the
same
thing
that
those
example
photographs
is
are
doing
in
terms
of
its
relation
to
the
cell.
So
that
was
not
a
critique
that
there
was
a
that.
I
thought
it
wasn't
done
the
same.
I
think
it
looks.
It's
certainly
drawn
consistent
where
that
sill
height
and
the
railing
height
is
the
same.
D
D
All
right,
madam
chair,
based
upon
the
evidence
presented
to
this
commission,
including
exhibit
a
application
and
new
construction
worksheet
five
pages
exhibit
b
arborist
report
exhibit
c
photo
of
subject:
property,
exhibit
d
subject:
property
plot
exhibit
e
drawings
and
plans.
Six
pages
exhibit
f,
revised
drawings
and
plans.
Six
pages
exhibit
g
revised
new
construction
worksheet
received
december
7th
2021,
exhibit
h
revised
plans,
six
pages
received
december
6
2021
exhibit
one
or
exhibit
I
revised
plans.
Six
pages
received
december
7th
2021
exhibit
j
bungalow
photo
examples.
D
Six
inch
by
six
inch
mira,
tech,
wrap
support
posts
and
railing
faced
with
lap
siding
windows
will
be
geldwin.
Four
over
one
sdl
aluminum,
clad
double
hung
in
black
color
doors
will
be
gelled
when
wood
half
light
construct.
Ten
foot
wide
by
18
foot,
long,
concrete,
driveway
and
stucco
retaining
wall
adjacent
to
the
northern
property
boundary
construct,
flagstone
walkway,
connecting
street
driveway
and
front
entry
construct
concrete
slab
landing
beneath
house
at
rear
entry,
install
mitsubishi,
mini
split
unit
adjacent
to
north
elevation
foundation.
Plantings
will
be
installed.
D
Ground
cover
must
be
established
within
15
days
of
completion
of
construction,
and
the
remainder
of
the
landscaping
must
be
installed
within
three
years.
If
archaeological
resources
are
discovered
during
site,
work,
work
will
cease
until
city
staff
have
been
notified
and
have
inspected
the
site.
All
work
will
be
in
accordance
with
attached
drawings
and
plans.
All
permits,
variances
or
approvals,
as
required
by
law,
must
be
obtained
before
work
may
commence.
D
Two
that
the
standards
for
new
construction
primary
structures
found
on
pages
92-93
walkways
driveways
and
off-street
parking
on
pages,
50-51,
landscaping
and
trees
on
pages
40-41
fences
and
walls
on
pages
36-37
decks.
On
pages
38-39
utilities
and
mechanical
systems
on
pages
82-83
lighting
on
pages,
42-43
and
archaeology,
on
pages
32-33
in
the
montford
historic
district
design
review
standards
adopted
on
april
14,
2010
and
amended
december
9th
2019
were
used
to
evaluate
this
request.
D
Three,
this
application
does
meet
the
design
standards
for
the
following
reasons.
A
new
primary
structure
is
cited
so
that
it
is
similar
to
the
historic
pattern
in
terms
of
orientation
setback,
retention
of
green
space
and
spacing
between
structures
b.
New
primary
structure
is
designed
so
that
the
overall
character
of
the
adjacent,
streetscape
and
building
site
is
maintained.
D
C,
new
primary
structure
is
compatible
in
height,
roof
form,
scale,
massing
footprint,
material,
detail,
fenestration
and
proportion
with
surrounding
historic
buildings
and
other
historic
buildings
in
the
district
d,
location
and
size
of
window
and
door.
Openings
are
compatible
in
placement
orientation
spacing
proportions
size
and
scale
with
surrounding
historic
buildings.
E
materials
and
finishes
are
typical
of
those
found
in
the
district.
D
N
C
B
M
C
Okay,
alex
it
looks
like
you've
got
one
or
two
other,
at
least
one
other
agenda
item
just.
B
One
agenda:
I
other
agenda
item
and
it's
not
fun,
but
we
had
a
commissioner
that
was
appointed
back
she's.
A
city
appointee
that
was
appointed
by
the
council
back
in
august
and
just
like
completely
went
mia,
has
like
never
really
responded
to
any
of
our
correspondents
and
obviously
has
not
been
to
any
meeting.
So
so,
in
keeping
with
the
rules
of
procedure,
we're
asking
or
I'm
asking
the
commission
to
make
a
recommendation
that
her
seat
be
vacated.
So
this
has
come
up
once
in
the
past
couple
years
with
a
different
commissioner
and.
A
B
D
C
Second,
okay,
vice
chair
spring.