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From YouTube: Design Review Committee – August 17, 2023
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Regular meeting of the City of Asheville Design Review Committee.
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A
B
So
yeah
it
looks
like
we're
not
going
to
have
a
quorum
today
and
so
we're
gonna.
Basically,
if
that
ends
up
being
the
case,
just
do
an
informal
review
of
this
Tempo
Hotel
project
and
get
the
most
out
of
the
review
as
we
can.
C
A
Probably
still
going
to
be
that
way
and
I
I,
don't
know
that
I
have
consensus
within
the
downtown
right,
because
we're
actually
reviewing
projects
DTC
should
be
reviewing
what's
getting
approved
policy
perspective
and
then
making
determinations.
Based
on
that
yeah.
D
B
A
Yeah
I'm
just
saying
it's
a
it's
a
change
in
the
way
we're
doing
it.
Yes,
second
thing
is
that
on
our
I'm,
looking
at
the
pre-agenda,
not
the
draft.
E
A
A
And
hopefully,
I'll
be
able
to
this
group
in
through
the
downtown
commission,
along
with
the
design
discussion
that
staff
has
already
happened.
Does.
A
What
else
that
this
group
needs
to
know
about?
There
is
a.
A
H
A
The
downtown
Commission
there's
three
of
us
four
of
us,
no
four
of
us
now
on
this
board
that
are
awesome.
A
I
B
So
yeah
Dan
is
letting
me
know
that
it's
it's
the
patent,
Avenue
downtown
Corridor
study
right.
A
A
Drc
has
no
official
agreement
over
the
OBO
or
anywhere
else
where
to
review
like
compassion,
right
kind
of
do
but
kind
of
don't
because
it's
not
really.
It's
like
an
infrastructure.
A
B
There's
folks
from
like
multimodal
Transportation
committee,
we
can
Hillcrest
Housing
Authority
Mountain.
True,
there's
a
design
professional
slot
TBD
a
real
estate
broker
slot.
So
it's
maybe.
G
C
E
B
Think
that's
like
a
subject.
That'll
be
discussed.
There's
like
a
zoning
person
on
this
subcommittee,
but
I
think
that's
like
one
of
the
steps
probably
to
yeah
move
that
area
forward
as
it
changes
well
we're
streaming
now
and
we
can
start
the
meeting
at
any
point.
E
B
Okay,
so,
and
then
is
following
so
she's,
been
passing
some
notes,
which
has
been
helpful.
She
says
that
vanilla
safika
from
our
staff
is
the
point
person
on
that
and
that
you
all
need
to
speak
in
your
mic.
Center.
A
A
E
J
E
J
Good
afternoon,
I'm,
Christina,
Booher
and
I
would
like
to
welcome
you
to
the
August
17th
2023
design,
review
committee
meeting.
This
is
a
nine
person
committee
whose
primary
function
is
to
perform
design
review
for
projects
located
in
one
of
the
city's
three
designated
design
review
areas
downtown
the
riverfront
and
the
new
hotel
overlay
zoning
districts.
This
is
a
mandatory
review,
voluntary
compliance
process,
with
one
exception
for
hotels
seeking
to
skip
Council
review
hotels.
Taking
advantage
of
this
incentive
must
receive
a
positive
recommendation
from
the
committee.
All
committee
members
and
staff
are
participating
in
person.
J
J
J
We
do
not
have
a
quorum,
it
would
require
at
least
five
members,
and
we
only
have
four
today,
but
we
are
still
going
to
do
an
informal
review
told
so.
E
B
Either
the
minutes
or
or
the
review
of
this
Tempo
Hotel
project,
but
we
can
still
have
an
informal
staff
presentation
and
discussion
with
applicant
that'll
help.
You
be
beneficial
and
we'll
just
continue.
The
item
into
the
September.
H
B
Two
hours
ago,
okay,
yeah
I,
knew
I
knew
a
couple
folks
weren't
going
to
be
here
for
sure
and
then
a
couple
folks
are
under
the
weather.
So
it
was
we're.
E
B
Have
full
attendance
but
I
I
thought
we're
gonna
have
a
quorum
until
earlier
this
morning.
So
typically
we
yeah
try
to
find
out
sooner
and
we
know
sooner
ahead
of
time.
So
we
can
make
plans
and
not
have
applicants,
come
all
the
way,
downtown
and
and
paper
parking
and
all
that.
But
this
item
will
be
on
the
September
21st
DRC
agenda
for
formal
consideration.
A
Does
this
put
the
does
this
put
the
applicant
behind
in
the
TRC
process?
It.
B
B
B
We
can
technically
schedule
special
meetings
for
either
online
or
in
person.
We
can
go
to
the
voice
on
that
yeah
on
our
regularly
scheduled
meetings
are
so
are
in
person.
You
know
I
think
that's
what
we
voted
on
doing
I
think
that's.
Probably
the
best
policy
is
to
try
to
hold
meetings
in
person,
but
I
know.
We've
we've
done
a
special
virtual
meeting
in
the
past
for
an
informal
review.
I,
don't
see
why
I've
been
doing
for
a
formal
review
yeah
so.
D
I
You
that
was
going
to
be
John
Noor
with
Robert
Stevens
on
behalf
of
the
applicant
that
was
going
to
be.
Our
request
is
that
you
try
and
schedule
a
special
meeting
between
now
and
your
next
regular
scheduled
meeting.
Our
only
request
is
make
sure
that
it's
in
a
format
that
could
legally
do
a
formal
review
of
the
project,
not
just
on
another
informal
one.
E
I
I
B
B
A
two-week
it
gets
a
little
tough
because
we'd
have
to
either
the
notification
notice
of
meeting
in
the
newspapers
usually
do
about
two
weeks
ago
on
a
Tuesday
so
in
the
Citizen
Times
is
pretty
strict
about
when
we
can
submit
those.
So
I
don't
know.
If
we
can.
E
E
B
Those
things
are
always
kind
of
fluid.
We
could
try
to
schedule
them
for
the
meeting
for
either
the
31st,
which
is
in
two
weeks
and
shoot
for
that,
and
if
we
can't
get
the
noticing
out
of
time,
we
can
move
it
another
week.
If
we
we
moved
another
week,
we're
gonna
be
past.
This
September
6th
planning
zoning
commission
meeting
anyway,
so
it's
gonna
all
intents
and
purposes
not
make
that
much
of
a
difference.
Okay,
because
we
have
to
go
to
Planning
and
Zoning
at
some
point
in
any
way.
Yeah.
If.
A
If
at
all
possible
try
to
get
that
30th,
30th
or
31st
or
somewhere
somewhere
in
that
neighborhood,
so.
B
If,
if
we
can
arrange
a
special
meeting
on
either
September
30th
or
September
31st,
that
would
be
I'm
in
August
I'm.
Sorry
I'm
already
Summer's
already
over.
In
my
mind,.
A
E
K
B
B
Sets
in
two
weeks,
if
we
can,
if
we
can.
B
Yeah
I
think
that'd
be
fun
it's
since
this
is
not
a
quasi-judicial
board.
We
don't
necessarily
have
to
hold
meetings
in
person
to
do
official
business,
so
I
think
with
the
online
option.
I
can
confirm
that
as
well.
I
can
make
sure
we
have
enough
time
to
notice
in
the
newspaper
the
special
meeting
and
if
all
those
things
we
can
get
at
least
a
couple
more
folks
here
to
attend
that
31st
meeting.
Then
we
can
certainly
move
forward
with
that.
So
I'll
keep
you
all
posted
so
yeah.
B
We
can't
officially
continue
it
to
that
to
that
meeting
day,
so
we'll
just
re-notice
everything
and
repost
signs
to
that
effect
and
that'll
take
care
of
those
requirements
so
we'll
just
we'll
schedule
it
and
post
it,
but.
G
B
Okay,
so
clay
will
give
a
brief
presentation
and
then
we
can
have
an
informal
review.
I
B
Feel
is
helpful
and
then
call
it
a
day
from
there.
F
Chair
committee
members
I
changed
everything,
except
the
fact
that
this
is
now
a
informal
review
on
August
17th,
I
truncated,
this
presentation,
just
so
that
we
could
get
directly
to
the
applicant
team
who
you've
always
already
already
had
a
robust
discussion
during
the
informal
process
just
to
reorient
everybody.
F
This
is
the
site
on
the
left,
the
Sycamore
Temple
behind
Jan,
Davis,
Tire
adjacent
to
a
hope,
and
what,
as
far
as
I,
can
tell
it's
a
single
family,
maybe
there
and
then
to
the
north
of
that
is
the
tribute
hope,
lodging
and
mixed
use
development
and
the
open
dirt,
because
this
aerial
isn't
updated
is
the
Embassy
Suites.
So
a
lot
of
activity
on
Ann
and
Carter
streets.
F
This
was
the
original
submission
showing
the
parking
on
the
left
and
the
Subterranean
floors
ground
level
at
the
Carter
Street,
with
the
entrance
all
I'm
highlighting
today
for
our
discussion
to
kind
of
jump
start,
it
I
think
are
the
major
changes
that
I've
detected
based
on
your
informal
review
and
the
applicants
work.
So
this
kind
of,
like
you,
know,
an
optometrist
visit.
You
know
you
got
that
that
this
is
what
was
submitted,
and
then
this
is
the
update
and
you
can
see
a
lot
of
changes
in
the
Carter
Street
Frontage.
F
The
entrance
is
pulled
back.
There's
a
lot
of
work
done
on
adjacent
to
the
streetscape,
as
well
as
on
the
actual
streetscape
changes
in
the
treatment
of
the
sidewalks
same
on
the
on
the
back
on
the
and
Street.
F
You
can
see
that
the
separate
leasable
space
is
shown
as
potentially
being
two
units
since,
instead
of
one
which
you
know
I,
don't
there's
no
requirement
that
a
B2
units,
but
whatever
is,
is
best
for
the
applicant,
the
use
on
the
site,
the
additional
changes
in
the
Landscaping
a
little
bit,
but
that
that
front
portion
on
Carter
Street
is
where
you
see
a
lot
of
significant
changes.
Even
internal
in
the
entry
area.
There's
some
treatment
on
an
additional
Landscaping
within
that
kind
of
that
drive
aisle
as
you
come
into
the
site.
F
This
is
it
in
a
close-up.
So
the
original
application
on
the
left
changes
on
the
right.
F
Some
building
elements
that
were
raised
by
this
Commission
in
the
informal
I've
highlighted
the
major
ones,
I'm
sure
you're,
going
to
talk
about
a
lot
more,
but
just
to
give
you
visual
reference,
the
original
application
rendering
on
the
left
and
then
on
the
right.
The
three
major
points
where
changes
are
are
readily
apparent,
all
along
and
Street
much
different
treatment
of
that
separate
retail
area,
a
little
bit
on
on
that
that
kind
of
wall
behind
it.
Up.
F
On
the
top
floor,
you
see
a
lot
more
glazing
along
that
north-facing
kind
of
tap
portion
of
the
Tower
and
then
so
a
lot
more
treatment.
F
Also
as
you
get
to
the
top
floor
in
the
west,
facing
portion
of
the
L
shape
of
the
building
and
then
here
again
a
comparison
view
of
the
original
application
on
Carter
Street
and
then
the
new
rendering,
showing
that
additional
treatment
along
this,
the
streetscape,
some
building
changes
and
colors
and
materials
that
you
reviewed
as
well
on
on
both
the
detailing
and
the
close-up
I
mean
and
then
context.
F
Renderings
were
provided,
and
so
here
you
see
the
the
proximity
of
the
ahob
facility
in
the
in
the
rear
of
Jan
data's
Tire
on
the
left.
So
this
is
Ann
Street,
looking
North
or
I
mean
I'm,
sorry,
Ann,
Street,
looking
South
and
Carter
Street
looking
North
and
and
that's
really
I
think
all
I
should
be
saying
and
let
you
engage
in
a
conversation
with
the
applicants.
Unless
you
have
any
questions
for
me.
F
You're
welcome
so
I
I.
How.
K
L
Hi
I
guess
he
kind
of
covered
it
I
made
like
a
bulleted
list
of
all
the
changes
that
we
made
in
reference
to
get
your
all
of
your
comments
last
time,
any
kind.
L
Whitney
yep
sorry,
so
he
kind
of
hit
all
of
them.
One
thing:
Small
Change
is
we
kind
of
added
a
little
bit
of
like
a
industrial
Flair
to
the
windows.
We
have
like
that
gridded,
a
smaller
mullian.
Look,
it's
industrial,
but
I,
think
it'll,
look
really
refined
in
there.
So
I
think
that
was
a
little
touch
that
wasn't
picked
up
there
and
also
the
roof.
I
know
we
talked
about
kind
of.
L
How
can
we
articulate
the
roof
a
little
last
time,
so
the
it
kind
of
flares
towards
both
of
The
Terraces?
But
you
can
see
that
a
little
bit
more
on
the
elevations,
maybe
not
in
the
renderings
as
much.
Let's
see
if
I
can.
L
Of
on
this
one
a
little
bit
and
that
flares
to
either
side
to
add
a
little
articulation
to
the
massing,
but
other
than
that,
everything
that
he
covered
I
think
is
exactly
we're
really
excited
about
that
relief.
We
were
able
to
give
to
Carter,
Street
and
kind
of
pulling
that
back
and
opening
that
up.
L
I
thought
that
that
was
really
nice
and
then
on
the
first
floor
plan
going
into
kind
of
the
parking
we
thought
it
was
really
nice
I
mean
it's
like
we
kind
of
ironed
out
some
of
like
the
functionality
of
how
the
cars
were
moving
through
that
space
before
we
weren't
really
kind
of
navigating
them
around
properly
I
think
they
were
going
to
have
to
do
like
some
wild
turns
if
there
were
two
people
in
there
at
once
or
whatever
so
we
we
worked
through
that
we
worked
through
that
with
our
structural
team
too,
to
make
sure
nothing
way
there
and
there
is
an
opening
I
know.
L
It
looks
a
little
silly
to
have
this
tree
in
the
center
here,
but
we
do
have
this
void
in
between
our
parking
and
our
our
actual
overhang
of
the
entryway.
There
and
we
thought
it
might
be
a
nice
place-
you
get
sunlight
in
there
and
stuff,
so
we
thought
it
might
be
an
option
to
have
some
type
of
vegetation
kind
of
more
internal
to
the
site.
So
that's
what
that's
showing
but
other
than
that
those
are
the
main
massing
thing
massing
moves
that
he
mentioned.
Thank.
A
You
you
also
you
also
revised
so
yeah
a
Ann
Street
got
revised
a
good
bit.
It
looks
like
you
did
quite
a
bit
on
the
on
the
top
I'm.
Looking
at
that
approach
on
Ann
Street
on
the
on
the
piece
that
juts
out
to
the
north,
you
changed
that
whole
top
piece
and
put
the
glass
on
and
I
get
I
could
see
in
the
in
the
elevations.
The
windows
are
in
that
little
inset
Notch.
Is
that
correct,
yep.
E
D
So
it's
a
quick
note
just
on
the
enhancements
that
you've
done
on
the
site.
We
really
appreciate
it,
especially
the
tree
up
sizing
and
the
thought
of
pulling
the
paving
into
the
the
pavers
into
the
sidewalk
and
then
I
think
the
the
boulder
Garden
is
a
clever
idea.
They
could
be
really
really
nice
with
Native
Boulders
and
not
having
to
deal
with
some
of
the
issues
that
we
know
are
going
to
be
there.
So
we
appreciate
all
those
items
and
the
attention
to
detail
on
that.
Thanks
a
lot
appreciate
it.
Thank
you.
L
Yeah,
so
if
I
go
to
the
sorry,
it's
the
opposite,
okay!
So
on
the
first
floor
here,
can
you
see
my
cursor
went
up
yeah?
Okay,
these
spots
here
that
are
kind
of
vertical
those
kind
of
like
will
frame
out
the
entryway
or
the
entrance
into
the
building
and
those
I
imagine
are
like
built
up
built-in
planters
that
kind
of
wrap
around
the
columns
that
need
to
be
there
and
you'll
be
able
to
have
like
some
type
of
vertical
growing
vine,
something.
A
L
That
also
I
have
on
I'm
I'm
trying
to
have
on
the
sixth
floor
Terrace
to
kind
of
like
connect
those
two
spots,
a
lot
of
the
like
feature,
language
or
feature
materials,
or
moves,
we're
making
kind
of
happen
at
that
entry
level
and
then
up
at
The
Terraces.
So
on
the
sixth
floor,
oh
sorry
about
that.
So
here
in
this
zone,
right
here,
I
kind
of
have
that
same
expression
just
enlarged,
and
we
have
different
programmatic
zones
up
there
at
some
early
schematics
with
ID.
J
We
have
some
comments
from
Ricardo
who's,
not
here
today,
but
I
just
like
to
read
them.
He
wanted
to
point
out
that
the
that
the
request
for
trees
and
textures
to
be
shown
more
accurately
was
addressed
and
the
requested
context
views
were
provided.
So
thank
you
for
that.
J
He's
also
pointing
out
that
the
added
papers
allow
the
public
space
space
to
engage
the
building
more
at
both
entrances,
which
is
a
positive
thing.
He
agrees
with
the
note
and
the
staff
report
regarding
bike
racks
and
we
he
also
sees
that
bench
shown
at
the
main
entrance,
but
not
noted,
recommended
that
this
is
noted
in
the
drawings.
J
He
noticed
that
they
addressed
Brian's
comment
about
the
perimeter
band.
It
looks
composed
and
more
deliberate.
However,
it's
now
extending
well
above
the
low
volume
on
Ann
Street,
which
is
now
dark.
Both
of
these
moves
make
the
volume
look
tacked
on
unless
there's
a
practical
reason
for
the
white
wall
to
be
that
high
for
screening
or
fall
protection,
He
suggests
lowering
the
typical
height
and
allowing
it
to
pop
or
step
up
at
the
front
to
help
Mark
the
entrance
and
reconsider
the
color
of
the
volume
to
help
the
masking
is.
L
L
C
L
We
can
look
at
some
options,
but
that
is
what's
pulling
it
right.
Now
is
because
those
two
kind
of
like
planes
are
kind
of
bookending.
The
two
L's
of
the
building
so
and
I
also
might
be
an
angle
thing.
I.
A
A
There's
one
of
the
images
and
it
just
it's
the
Carter
Street
excuse
me:
North
End
Street
in
context
on
a203
I,
know
Ricardo
by
now,
so
that
that
bottom
right
image
that
you're
doing
can
you
zoom
in
on
that?
It's
there's.
A
A
This
one
yeah
right
there
right
there,
so
so
there's
something
odd
going
on
there,
where
it's
like
that
Wall's
taking
away
from
so
first
of
all.
Yes,
this
is
I'll
I
like
this
very
much.
This
is
a
great
building
and
I
like
the
move
you
you've
made
here
and
so
now,
I'm
just
lighting
it
picking
for.
K
G
A
L
Makes
sense
we'll
look
at
it
the
it's
there's
parking
at
the
level,
so
there's
a
10
foot
up,
there's
a
upper
level
of
parking
so
like
there's,
actually
a
guard
rail
that
you
can't
see,
because
it's
just
cable
right
here
that
goes
to
that.
This
lit
this
line
about
here
that
middle
band
and
that's
where
the
guard
rail
will
connect
from.
K
L
E
A
Yeah
you
can
keep
showing
up
three
other
way.
Three!
Oh
it's
in
the
it's
three
South
shorthand,
Street
section
at
hotel.
It's
on
the
a301,
the
building
sections
scroll
back
up
in
this
in
this
document
keep
going
right.
E
L
Sorry,
one.
A
One
more
just
up
right:
the
3D
on.
A
I
J
The
Brick
open.
You
know,
like
some
bricks
removed.
A
L
H
L
I
I
guess
the
design
intent
was
like
when
you're
up
there
and
they're
both
on
the
sides
of
you.
They
look
like
they're
from
the
same
place,
but
we
have
been
talking
about
that
internally
as
well,
the
actual
height
of
it
because
of
like
the
roof
in
that
area
and
the
way
that
the
massing
like
all
comes
together
at
that
one
spot.
So
we've
been
looking
at
you
I.
Don't
think
that
it'll
like
break
the
project
to
make
it
shorter,
so
we're
fine
looking
at
it,
but.
K
I'm
nitpicking
y'all.
So
what
was
the
comment
on
the
materials.
J
I
didn't
get
through
all
of
them
because
we
stopped
at
that
one.
So
let
me
keep
going.
He
He
also
mentioned
that
he
thinks
the
change
in
the
roof
helps
distinguish
the
project
a
little
more
from
the
tribute
Hotel
up
the
street.
J
He
says
he
said:
that's
a
value
judgment.
He
said
the
same
thing
about
the
tribute
and
then
lastly,
he
appreciates
that
the
architect
once
again
demonstrated
willingness
and
ability
to
accept
constructive
criticism
and
turn
it
into
successful
design
decisions.
The
landscape
plan
is
more
detailed,
but
otherwise
limited
site
information
provided
should
suggest.
There's
been
no
change
to
the
original
storm
water
management
strategies,
which
is
disappointing,
I'm,
not
sure
about
the
material
comment
that
you
have
a
question
about.
But
if
you
want
to
take
these
comments,
that
might
be
helpful.
J
J
Just
have
one
comment
about
the
ephes
that
you're
using
I
want
to
make
two
points:
I
wonder
if
there's
a
way
to
make
I
think
the
gray,
the
darker
gray
on
Carter
Street
is
looking
really
nice
I.
Just
wonder
if
there's
a
way
to
make
the
white
look
a
little
less
institutional,
maybe
more
detailing
I!
D
D
C
D
Know
that,
like
the
restoration
Hotel,
they
had
guys
with
vacuum
cleaners
out.
J
Just
if
that
could
be
taken
note
of
and
if
there
is
some
if
we
do
have
a
requirement,
we
can
share
that
with
you
all.
Okay,.
H
I
have
a
bunch
I
didn't
realize
on
this,
and
I
was
very
supportive
of
the
last
project.
I
got
a
lot
of
issues
with
this.
Some
of
them
are
interpretations
of
the
god.
C
H
H
Are
encouraging
in
urban
building
in
this
on
Carter
Street?
None
of
the
building
meet
the
front
property
line.
In
fact,
much.
C
H
One
50
percent
of
the
frontage
on
Carter
Street
is
about
the
car
between
the
width
of
the
driveway,
the
legs
of
the
building
on
the
North
End
that
are
holding
up
a
building
over
a
turnaround
and
the
fact
that
none
of
the
street
level
is
it's
an
employee
lounge.
It's
it's,
not
an
urban
building.
In
my
opinion,
it's
kind
of
walking
the
line
between
you
know
it
kind
of
would
fit
on
Tunnel
Road
or
something.
H
A
B
B
Yeah
so
I
mean,
in
that
case,
where
the
building
begins,
if
it
doesn't
does
not
technically
have
to
be
on
the
property.
H
B
B
There
is,
but
it's
not
phrased
in
the
same
way,
you're
talking
about
the
bill
Delan
in
the
design
guidelines,
yeah
you're,
talking
about
where
the
building
begins
in
reference
to
the
sidewalk
and
the
property
line.
H
A
M
Tony
Hauser
with
wsp,
12,
12
or
12
foot
driving
line
is
pretty
standard.
You
could
go
less
potentially
in
this
case,
where
we're
coming
off
of
a
very
narrow
Street
and
we
don't
have
radius
curb
returns.
We
basically
have
transitions
from
the
walk
down
to
the
driveway
that
facilitates
cars
getting
in
and
out
of
that
that
driveway.
H
H
You're
walking
down
Carter
Street,
this
building
is
all
about
the
car
and
your
engagement.
The
street
levels
faces,
are
kind
of
throw
away
to
employee
lounge.
There's
no
life
there,
where
the
front
door
is
it's
set
back
way
off
the
street,
so
it
just
doesn't
feel
like
an
urban
building
to
me
and
so.
C
A
Well
so
two
two
things:
the
the
front
setback
requirement
that
you're
talking
about
Street
orientation
and
lot
layout,
page
four
of
the
design
downtown
design
guidelines,
zero
front
set
back
from
the
right-of-way
line
is
observed,
and
then
it
goes
through
four
options:
option.
Four:
a
greater
setback
is
determined
as
part
of
the
designer
view
process,
so
part
of
what
we've
been
responding
to
on
this
particular.
C
A
Is
that
the
sidewalks
in
this
area
are
incredibly
narrow
and
the
the
applicant
has
been
responding
to
the
sidewalk
widths
kind
of,
as
as
requested
by
by
staff
and
then
kind
of
keying
off
of
those,
and
then
we've
been
going
off
of
that
that
basis.
So
essentially
the
the.
If
you
look
at
where
the
lot
line
is
to
the.
If
you
look
at
where
the
lot
line
is
to
the
curb
it's,
what
Tony
like
four
feet,
the
lot
lines
of
the
curb
back
a
curve
or
something
like
that?
A
Design
goals
for
this
area,
the
applicant
has
kind
of
pulled
that
stuff
back.
That
was
done
in
early
in
the
design
process.
Honestly
before
they
even
came
to
us,
as
as
things
that
you
know,
Transportation
Public
Works,
everybody.
H
Well,
I
understand
we
want
a
deep
sidewalk,
but
we
have
potentially
a
16
foot
deep
planting
area
between
the
back
edge
of
the
sidewalk
and
the
building
structure
at
the
North
End
of
the
building
at
the
North
End
yeah.
So
you
know,
I
have
a
lot
of
issues
in
that
one.
It
seems
to
be
skewed
way
towards
people
arriving
by
a
car
disappearing
into
the
building
and
going
upstairs
and
it
it
doesn't
feel
like
it.
It
is
an
urban
building
to
me,
I.
H
B
Yeah
I
mean
that's
they're,
trying
to
be
that's
one
way
that
they're
meeting
the
requirement
that
half
of
the
frontage
has
to
be
a
separate
occupiable
use,
not
not
associated
with
the
hotel.
So
that's
I
mean
that's
probably
why
that's
their
to
be
honest
and
I
think
the
fact
that
it's
kind
of
buffered
between
the
parking
lot
and
the
hotels,
just
the
most
logical
way
to
design
that.
E
G
E
B
I
mean
you
have
the
overlapping
the
guidelines,
you
have
the
CBD
zoning
and
you
have
the
hotel
overlay
zoning.
So
this
is
an
extra
requirement
in
the
hotel
overlay.
So
how
do
all
those
pieces
fit
together?
They
can
be
a
little
bit
either
contradictory
or
I
mean
it's
fair
to
question.
B
You
know
we
can
state
that,
yes
having,
since
you
can
aggregate
the
two
sides
of
the
building,
the
requirement
can
be
aggregated
between
two
sides.
So
if
you
can,
you
can
put
it
all
on
Ann
Street,
this
separate
occupiable
storefront
area,
you
don't
have
to
have
on
a
Carter
Street,
so
it
does
meet
requirement
and
I.
Think
I
think
it's
fair
to
critique
whether
that's
a
good
solution
or
not.
Well,.
H
L
L
G
L
G
B
G
L
G
H
H
Aside,
some.
H
That
designed
the
project
just
to
the
north
of
this
spot,
that
that
there's
no
evidence
of
that
project
in
this
application,
I
mean
you
know
what
the
footprint
is
to
the
north
of
this
and
there's
actually
a
little
jog,
where
they
kind
of
stitch
together
and
I.
Understand
that
maybe
separate
llc's
or
whatever,
but
there's
an
opportunity
to
like
it
looks
like
you
don't
when
you
when
I
look
at
these
drawings,
it
looks
like
oh
gee,
we
don't
know,
what's
going
to
happen
to.
C
C
H
Itself
is
in
between
well
on
Carter,
Street,
too.
Okay.
Speaking
of
that
on
the
main
level
plan,
there's
a
little
Transformer
Courtyard
and
it
creates
this
kind
of
trapezoidal
piece.
H
H
H
H
E
M
It
yeah
yeah.
It
wasn't
intentional
that
may
have
been
a
coordination
problem
on
my
part,
I
just
read
across
the
country
on
my
bicycle
and
just
got
back
recently
so
that
I
apologize.
That
was
a
coordinating
coordination
issue
on
my
part,
but
we
would
lose
that
free
in
that
corner.
If
we
were
to
do
that.
L
Can
make
the
Transformers
face
smaller,
like
that?
What
I
have
hatched
around
that
is
the
most
that's
needed?
I
just
gave
wiggle
room
because
whatever
it
is
going
to
be
a
problem,
yeah.
J
M
M
And
build
it
or
pave
it
or
something
I
would
think
so.
To
get
back
to
the
question
you
asked
about
the
front
setback
on
Carter
Street,
the
hotel
overlay
references,
CBD
zoning.
As
far
as
setbacks
go
and
this
the
setbacks
and
then
I'm
on
setback
and
CBD
is
zero.
Maximum
I
think
is
50
for
some
uses,
but
20
for
other
uses.
Unless
you
create
a
Plaza
that
is
in
the
front
of
the
building
and.
M
Plaza,
that
sort
of
thing-
and
so
that
was
the
idea
here,
was
to
to
create
that
that
useful
space
out
in
front
of
the
main
entrance
of
the
building
and.
M
M
Locations
downtown,
for
instance,
Foundry,
which,
which
Mr
Johnson
brought
up
about
the
last
project.
There
was
a
five
foot
setback
to
create
that
planting
space
and
soften
that
experience,
pedestrians
and
so
that's
sort
of
a
decision
that's
made
by.
C
H
M
Again,
the
specific
comment
you
made
about
the
driveway
with
I
I
would
not
see
a
problem
with
that.
You
know
where
I
fall
on
cars.
Man
I
ride
my
bike,
most
they're,
very
good,
but
but
at
any
rate,
if
we
reduce
that
that
driveway
width
by
two
or
four
feet
to
20
feet,
it
still
accommodates
this
car
is
turning
in
and
out,
but
what
it
does
is
it
slows
down
those
ideas,
so
that's
sort
of
something
we
can
look
at.
M
H
Out
yeah
I
mean
I'm
in
the
Indigo.
It's
really
super
tight
and.
E
M
M
E
Was
it
looks
like
the
grades
on
Ann.
H
C
H
Would
obviously
change
your
whole
approach
to
dumpsters
and
stuff
like
that,
which
would
allow
that
whole
throat
on
Carter
to
tighten
up?
So
you
have
one
lane
entrance,
but
unfortunately,
you're
in
and
out
there,
which,
which
then
I'd
say
50
of
the
frontage,
is
all
about
the
car
which
we're
all
the
same.
H
Our
landscape
to
be
experienced
from
the
car
yeah,
so
those
are
my
comments
about
that
and
I
wish.
I
wish
I
understand
the
whole
jump.
Lobby
interesting
idea:
it'd
be
cool
to
arrive
to
Asheville
end
up
on
the
roof
and,
like
that's
your
first
experience,
is
like
appreciating
it
from
up
there,
but.
H
The
street,
when
you
do
that
and
you
know
you've
got
an
employee
lounge
there,
so
whatever
you
can
do
to
make
street
level
activated
so
there's
energy
on
the
street.
So
let's
talk
about
step
back
will
and
I
were
talking
about
that
earlier
in
the
guidelines.
It
talks
about
a
street
level
portion
of
the
building,
and
then
it
steps
back
10
foot
and
so
here's
an
interpretation
question
so
again
at
the
same
problematic
north
east
corner
of
the
building,
you
kind
of
have
like
a
roof
deck
that
comes
out
towards
the
street.
H
C
B
Right
I
mean
I
can
definitely
see
your
point
in
that
regard.
I
know,
I
know,
part
of
the
building
to
the
left
of
the
image
looks
like
occupiable
space.
Other
parts
are
more
of
a
an
overhang,
that's
maybe
most
things
where
it
technically
meets
the
requirement,
but
whether
it
looks
tacked
on
or
a
little
bit
designed
backwards
in
that
regard
is
perhaps
Fair
a
fair
question.
H
L
My
actual
the
the
design
of
the
massing
was
10
foot
back.
Is
this
front
plane
the
white
that
you
see?
It's
not
that
legible
in
this
visual
I
guess,
but
that
plane
is
at
the
setback
and
then
the
step
back
is
the
plane
behind
it
like
so.
The
massing
above
is
the
step
back
and
the
plane
in
front
is
the
setback.
So
the
massing
that's
within
like
where
the
lobby
is
I'm,
not
referencing
as
either
of
those
kind
of
datums,
vertical
dams.
I
guess
I
guess
is.
K
H
K
I
mean
I,
think
you
know
it
kind
of
goes
back
to
that.
What
you
've
acknowledged.
You
know
the
concept
of
sort
of
carving
that
there's
no
way
to
create.
You
know
the
landscaping
and
prawn
I
think
you
know
we
were
kind
of
trying
to
find
a
balance
between
softening
that
edge
and
creating
a
slanted
escaping,
but
still
having
a
mass
on
a
fairly
narrow
Frontage
to
you
know,.
C
H
Well,
just
looking
at
that
view,
there's
that
white
wall
that
comes
out
and
the
only
reason
it's
there
is
to
is
to
hold
the
step
back
line.
It
seems
like
I.
H
L
I,
don't
think
they
guided
me
like
that.
Much
like
that
line
doesn't
align
with
the
setback.
It
pulls
the
other
way.
So
it's
not
like
I
threw
the
wall
there
to
create
that.
So
it's
I
don't
think
that
the
guidelines
really
were
in
charge
of
the
massing
as
much
as
it
sounds
like
it
was
reactionary,
but
well.
A
H
H
What
about
it
so
I
kind
of
like
the
roof
line,
The
View
standing
on
patent
looking
North
is
pretty
cool.
Can
you
zoom
back
out?
I
I
think
this
Northern
wing
that
we're
talking
about
the
kind
of
looks
like
it
wants
to
fit
into
the
roof
line
better
it
just
it's
almost
like
two
buildings
like
like.
H
To
go
back
up
a
little
bit
so
so
the
the
left
hand
image
there.
H
I
mean
it's
a
butterfly
roof
and
I
think
it
works
from
Patton
and
it
works
coming
up,
Carter
from
Patton
and
then,
as
you
get
in
front
of
the
building
and
you're,
seeing
the
northeast
corner
of
the
building.
That.
G
C
H
E
M
H
A
If
you
look
at
two
Michael,
the
main
approach
on
Carter
Street,
coming
from
Patton
Avenue
on
that
same
sheet,
a202
looks
like
there's
like
a
wall
or
something
between
those
two,
where
the
two
roof
lines
are
meeting
yeah
that
one
on
the
upper
left
and
then
right
in
the
middle
where
the
butterfly
roof
comes
in
and
the
other
roof
comes
in
I.
A
A
H
So
anyways,
that's
very
subjective,
so
the
views
looking
down
don't
show
any
rooftop
Mechanicals
you're,
showing
a
very
clean
roof
line.
Are
you
not
having
anything
on
the
roof.
A
H
I
was
pointing
out
to
me
that
looks
way
too
small
to
handle
all
your
Mechanicals,
so
I
mean
it's
starting
off.
Two-Thirds
of
the
building
have
a
kind
of
a
cool
roof
line.
I
like
the
way
the
stair
Towers
kind
of
like
hold
that
and
the
big
cantilever,
the
big
overhang
on
Carter
Street,
but
again
that
Junction
that
you
can
see
in
that
isometric
Bearer
between
that
kind
of
Orphan
roof
line.
C
L
L
Something
like
that
could
happen
in
the
center
of
the
sixth
floor.
I
think
the
intention
of
the
spread
is
so
that,
like
in
the
Terrace
kind
of
more
public
areas,
we
have
that
high
roof
so
and
the
low
point
is
already
giving
a
16
foot
at
the
sixth
floor,
so
I
think
we
could
I
can
look
at
also
kind
of
like
carving
it
out
in
the
center
of
that,
so
the
elevations
remain
Etc.
H
H
And
then
that
the
drive-in
there's
that
Island,
you
talked
about
the
tree,
how
about
that
could
be
kind
of
a
cool
thing?
It
took
me
a
while
to
figure
out
that
there's
a
Parking
Deck
Over
part
of
that
L
shape
and
then
there's
a
little
hole
there,
which
brings
light
in
I,
think
would
be
cool
the
tree
and
your
plan
doesn't
show
up
on
the
Landscape
Architects
drawing.
So
if.
H
Be
a
defining
feature
make
sure
it
gets
integrated
into
the
other
design
documents
and
and
I
I
think
it's
really
needed
because
again,
the
width
of
you're
on
Carter
Street,
the
building
is
dominated
by
this
driveway,
and
this
turnaround
under
the
building
and
you've
got
all
the
support
stuff.
Where
hope
where
it
would
be
great
if
it
was
fully
activated
yeah.
H
H
It
can
be
kind
of
cool
and
probably
a
nice
visual
or
relief
to
soften
up
I
mean
just
yeah
on
that
plan.
Just
imagine
standing
where
the
word
street
is
on
Carter
Street
and
just
you're,
seeing
nothing
but
surface
Paving.
So
I'd
say
man
play
up
that
old
Oasis
of
landscaping
there
and
maybe
the
land.
The
landscape
architecture
drawings
showed
the
paving
materials
but
use
modular
Paving
in
that
whole
area.
So
you're
like
not
it's
not
like
making
such
a
distinction
between
cars
and
people
that
maybe
the.
C
E
C
K
M
H
H
Up
that
splitting
space,
because
it
to
me
it
dominates
the
building
too
much
so
soften
it
up
with
like
pedestrian
type
Paving,
not
vehicular,
type,
Paving
benches
Landscaping.
Anything
you
can
do
to
make
it
not
all
about
the
car.
H
Those
are
all
my
comments
and
following
up
on
that
sorry,
this
is
continuing
on
Ryan's
comment,
like
this
plan
shows
where
that
kind
of
parapet
on
Ann
Street
that
we
were
talking
about
it.
It
does
a
little
30
degree
bevel
next
to
the
dumpster
Corral.
H
H
So
if
it
turned
it
would
have
to
span
over
the
driveway
or
so
it
is.
The
footprint
is
creating
the
wall,
just
kind
of
ends
on
the
ground,
so
you
either
turn
the
corner
above
the
parking
deck
or
some
other
I
will
say
the
Optics
of
putting
the
dumpsters
next
to
Ahab
and
of
I
understand.
C
C
M
This
is,
this
is
a.
This
is
something
that
will
require
modification
for
transportation,
because
it
because
of
the
angle
you
I
think
we
talked
about
it
or
you
may
have
talked
about
it
at
the
actually
I.
Think
Brian
mentioned
it
at
the
previous
project,
meeting
development
meeting
about
the
possibility
of
making
those
roads,
One
Way
each
way
and.
M
Came
up
at
the
neighborhood
meeting
for
tribute
and
I
gave
that
to
Transportation
I
said
this
doesn't
really
apply
to
this
development,
but
it
was
suggested
that
these
be
made
one
way
each
way,
and
so
our
assumption
here
is
that
if
that
ever
happens,
this
is
the
direction
that
is
that
North
End
Street
will
will
go
North
plan
of
you
here,
I
think
it's
actually
East
but
anyway,
and
that
Carter
will
come
the
other
way
so
that
that
affects
that
sort
of
thing.
M
M
M
M
It's
service
in
this
case,
but
I
definitely
will
ask
that
question
again
because
that's
my
preference
is
when
somebody's
in
a
car
or
truck
or
whatever
they're,
getting
ready
to
turn
in
that
driveway
they
need
to.
They
need
to
think
like
just
like.
You
were
saying
on
the
other
side,
they
need
to
think
they're
driving
over
the
sidewalk,
but
I'll
ask
I'll,
ask
a
question:
we.
C
H
M
And
the
location
of
the
dumpsters
was
unfortunate.
One
of
the
Neighbors
at
the
meeting
said:
did
you
do
that
intentionally?
We
did
not.
You
know,
sorry,
you
feel
that
way,
but
it
like
you,
said
it
has
to
go
somewhere.
There
are
different
ways
that
different
cities
do
it.
Unfortunately,
in
Nashville
everything
is
still
pretty
much
handled
by
dumpsters.
M
M
H
I,
don't
know
it's
just
it's
unfortunate,
we'll
see
what
it
can
do
to
yeah.
I
H
I
I
kind
of
like
the
kind
of
the
industrial
vibe,
the
big
windows.
C
H
How
how
do
you
guys
feel
about
that
10
foot
step
back
like
there's.
C
A
E
H
Foot,
the
top
of
that
retail
is
it.
Is
it
Square
to
the
rooms
above.
H
A
E
A
This
setback
language
step
back,
it's
like
some
of
them
have
done
the
stuff.
We
do
I
understand
what
they
were
trying
to
do
at
the
time,
but
the
language
itself.
We
need
a
more
of
a
form-based,
because
this
just
limits
people
and
it's
just
kind
of
silly
looking
staff
is
applying.
We
are
applying
what
the
UDF
requires-
and
this
is
language
right
out
of
the
guidelines
out
of
the
EDM
yeah,
but.
A
Does
it
just
we
don't
have
it
doesn't
give
people
flexibility
for
for
what
they're?
What
they're
trying
to
do
is
obviously
reduce
the
urban
Canyon
effect,
and
you
know
you
know,
but
there's
different
ways
to
do
that
in
different
buildings
and
you
can
mess
with
the
massing.
You
can
push
push
different
elements.
H
A
I
agree:
I
generally,
I
am
in
approval
of
this
and
I'm
looking
forward
to
reviewing
it
for
the
applicant
in
two
weeks.
B
If,
if
possible,
yeah,
it
sounds
like
I've
heard
from
a
few
folks
who
are
not
at
this
meeting
today
that
they'll
be
able
to
make
the
31st,
so
we
should
be
able
to
Wrangle
up
a
quorum
for
August
31st,
I'm
thinking
it
should
probably
be
in
person.
E
What's
up,
can
we
okay
well.
D
B
B
If
we
can
do
it,
then
then
we'll
we
will
do
it
that
way,
but
it
definitely
sounds
like
we'll
be
able
to
have
that
meeting.
So
I'll
notify
folks
of
that
and
we'll
plan
on
that
for
the
31st
at
12
30,
either
here
or
virtually
very
good.
Okay.