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From YouTube: Transit Committee – August 15, 2023
Description
Regular meeting of the City of Asheville Transit Committee.
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A
Phone
call
I
had
to
get
real
quick.
Thank
you
good
afternoon,
everyone.
This
is
actually
a
Transit
committee
meeting
August
the
15th
from
five
to
seven
virtual
meeting.
The
transit
committee
is
a
volunteer
citizen
board
designed
to
offer
input
and
guidance
to
the
Asheville
transit
system
and
the
city
council.
We
do
not
set
or
change
routes,
control,
Asheville,
Transit
budget
or
have
authority
over
staff
drivers
or
the
management
company.
A
A
Okay,
Harvey
Harrell
I'm
here,
Sandy
Aldridge.
A
Sandy
Aldridge
Georgia,
Burks
Georgia
won't
be
here,
I
think
she
she
notified
lashon
earlier
that
she
she
has
a
medical
condition
that
that,
where
he
returned
from
coming
to
the
meeting
this
evening-
and
she
was
at
the
last
meeting
from
what
I
heard,
but
she
was
communicating
with
Sean
on
that
so
she's
not
here
today,
Joseph
chessler,
yes,.
C
A
And
we
had
and
had
a
letter
come
into
Transit
from,
let
me
get
it
right:
Sophia,
Cara,
Faro
and
Sophia,
and
it
was
came
in
at
237.
The
code
put
it
up
for
information
only
to
the
staff
committee
members
and
it
was
sent
to
Catherine
and
they
thought
we
would
like
to
look
at
it
and
they
she
wanted
to
bring
it
to
the
attention
of
the
commit
as
a
whole.
A
But
the
letter
was
email
out
like
I
said:
237
staff
is
holding
the
matter
open
for
consideration
at
a
future
time
and
all,
as
always
repeat,
all
input
it.
That's
we
received
from
Asheville
citizens
is
valuable.
A
All
communication
value,
okay
and
moving
on
to
new
business,
Rat
Dev,
Staffing,
update
information
items,
the
Sean
Abraham
new
assistant,
general
manager
and
Daniel
Aiken
new
director
of
operations.
I
will
pass
this
on
to
LaShawn
and
we
can
get
us
a
look
at
Danielle,
Aiken
and.
E
D
Oh
hi,
everyone
thank
you
for
inviting
me
to
this
wonderful
committee.
I,
do
look
forward
to
working
with
everyone
to
ensure
that
we
continue
to
have
a
functional
and
a
provide
a
great
service
to
the
city
of
Asheville.
So
it's
my
first
meeting
so
I
might
not
input
a
lot,
but
I
am
taking
note,
but
thanks.
Everybody.
B
A
Any
other
committee
members
would
like
to
welcome
Danielle
on
board
and
congratulations
on
her
new
appointment
feel
free
to
do
so,
and
Joseph
has
his
hands
in
the
queue.
B
Good
Danielle
welcome
to
the
team.
I
was
just
curious.
Could
you
give
us
a
little
of
your
a
little
bit
of
information
about
your
background?
If
you
wouldn't
mind.
D
Yeah
sure
no
problem,
so
I
did
start
out
at
Transit
when
they
were
under
First
Transit
in
2015,
as
a
driver
and
I
moved
to
a
dispatcher
under
lashon
and
then
I
became
a
route
supervisor
when
they
switched
management,
lashon
was
promoted
and
then
I
became
the
supervisor
in
2019,
I
left
and
I
became
the
director
of
operations
at
a
local
company
and
then
upon
lashawn's
promotion
to
assistant
general
manager.
She
and
I
were
able
to
connect
again
and
she's.
She.
D
She
showed
some
interest
that
she
would
like
for
me
to
come
back
and
resume
the
role
that
I
had
before
and
I
work
in
partnership
with
her
so
I'm
back
so
I
have
a
lot
of
I,
have
a
lot
of
history
and
a
lot
of
knowledge
of
the
transitions
between
the
management
companies
over
the
years.
So
I'm
here
to
partner
with
LaShawn
and
assist
her
to
have
a
to
build
this
Transit
System.
F
You-
and
this
is
Bill-
welcome,
Danielle
and
Harvey
I
want
to
tell
you
I'm
on
now.
I
was
a
couple
minutes
late.
Sorry,
thank
you.
Bill.
A
G
D
I,
do
I
still
hold
a
CDL.
That
was
actually
a
part
of
me
coming
back
with
Sean.
It's
like
you've
still
got
your
license.
I'm
like
yup.
She
like
cause,
you
don't
need
them.
I'm
like
well,
along
with
my
along
with
my
heels.
I
will
be
bringing
some
tennis
shoes
and
socks,
so
anytime,
I
need
to
get
on
the
go
that
I
can
just
throw
them
on
so
yeah
I.
A
A
D
A
G
E
A
A
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
Okay.
Moving
on
councilwoman
Ronnie
did
you
have
anything
you
want
to
add
today.
H
A
C
A
On
to
old
business,
Communications
update.
H
A
I
mean
Bill
come
on.
That's
right.
We
have
Bill
come
on,
we
have
a
quorum
now
we
got
to
go
back
to
the
top
of
the
gym
and
do
that.
Okay,
now
that
Bill
is
here,
may
I
have
a
motion
to
accept
the
minutes.
August
15,
2023,
July,
18,
2023
may
I
have
a
motion
to
accept
the
minutes,
so
moved
may
I
have
a
second
please.
H
H
With
just
economics
to
work
on
that
poster
the
last
time
I
I
talked
with
her.
She
said
she
was
getting
back
to
I
know
she
had
some
other
business
to
attend
to,
but
we're
still
working
on
that
poster
and
so
far
right
now
that
that's
the
only
other
Communications
piece
we've
got
going
on.
A
A
Let
me
get
my
pieces
of
paper
I'll
forward.
My
piece
of
paper
now
has
everyone
moving
on
to
art
system
rules,
final
draft
of
the
art
system,
rules
for
community
members.
I
I
A
I
hadn't
done
that
one
before
okay
may
I
have
okay
committee
approval
a
final
vote:
chair
Harvey
here:
yes,
Joseph
chessler.
B
F
So
there's
something
we
talked
about
at
the
last
meeting-
that's
not
in
the
meeting
minute,
which
I
think
is
important,
but
it
was
sort
of
just
a
discussion
topic.
It
wasn't
part
of
the
agenda,
so
I
need
a
little
guidance
on
whether
or
not
this
qualifies
this
want
to
rewrite
them
or
how
we,
you
know
what
to
do
process
here.
It
was
the
conversation.
F
It
was
a
conversation
we
had
about
how
we
measure
on-time
performance
and
the
question
that
I
had
was:
do
we
have
the
capability
to
measure
predicted
arrivals
as
opposed
to
just
historical
schedule
on
time?
The
point
I
was
trying
to
make
is
that
if
we
have
the
ability
to
literally
report
to
the
public
that
we
can
predict
that
our
buses
are
can
arrive
on
time
kind
of
like
your
Uber
driver,
can
then
I
think
that's
worth
knowing
and
possibly
exploiting
so
that
we
would
have
an
Avenue
to
convince
the
public
that
the
buses
are
reliable.
F
If
we
got
into
the
conversation,
because
we
were
talking
about
how
oftentimes
with
seasonality
or
construction
and
so
forth,
we
we
end
up
really
having
deterioration
on
our
on-time
performance.
Because
what
what
I
heard
in
the
meeting
was
that
we
we
our
metric,
is
based
on
a
historical
schedule
and
whether
or
not
we
hit
that
historical
schedule
as
opposed
to
whether
or
not
we
have
the
ability
to
be
have
better.
Predictability
like
an
Uber
driver
would.
D
F
I
G
A
Okay,
hold
on
for
a
minute
for
that
bill.
Joseph
well,.
B
Yeah,
thank
you.
Harvey
bill,
I,
agree.
I.
Think
it's
too
important
an
issue
to
leave
undocumented
I
would
suggest
that
you
might
want
to
craft
a
sentence.
Much
like
you
just
did
to
insert
that
as
an
amended
addition
to
the
to
the
minutes.
I
think
that's
appropriate.
H
F
Time
it
won't
come
too
quick
I'll
just
say
that
we
had
valuable
discussion
about
the
way
in
which
we
record
on
time
and
predictable
service
performance.
A
Okay,
hold
that
bill
amber.
Did
you
want
to
answer
that
as
far
as
having
an
amendment
to
the
minutes?
I,
don't
know
about
that,
but
I
thought
we
said
on
that
conversation
at
our
last
meeting
amber
as
far
as
what
bill
was
entertaining
how
we
go
forward
with
that
and
what
is
your
answer
to?
What
are
you
saying
about
being
on
Time,
Performance
or
being
like
an
Uber
driver
so
to
speak?
I'm.
A
Have
Sean
you
can
entertain
that
thought
as
well
go
ahead.
D
G
A
I
And
on
the
YouTube
video,
the
meeting
minutes
are
basically
at
this
point,
just
an
outline,
so
anybody
can
flow
and
go
to
that
time
period
on
the
YouTube
video
to
see
when
it
was
discussed.
What
was
discussed
also
it
records
any
major
emotions.
You
know
approvals
by
the
board.
We
can
add
it
to.
If
Bill
would
like
to
follow
up
on
the
possibility,
we
could
add
it
to
a
future
agenda.
A
A
So
would
that
add
any?
A
F
That
which
is
it
would
be
a
different
Harvey.
It
would
be
a
different
metric.
It's
you
simply
historically
captured
on
time.
We
there's
I
would
recommend.
We
don't
not
stop
doing
that,
but
it
it.
It
suggests
the
the
ability
to
keep
a
metric,
that's
more
public
sensitive,
because
people
would
be
able
to
access
information
that
could
say
in
a
real-time
basis.
E
F
That's
great
so
I
my
my
position
is:
we
need
to
find
a
way
to
publicly
equate
that
data,
so
everybody
knows
that's
possible
what
we
report
is
on
time
performance,
which
is
not
in
our
control,
because
it's
affected
by
Peaks
and
respected
by
constructions
and
all
that
stuff.
The
the
thing
that
you
just
mentioned,
that's
very
much
in
our
control,
we're
controlling
every
bit
of
that
and
because
of
that,
we're
highly
predictable.
E
There's
a
lot
of
things
that
swiftly
can
capture.
We
just
have
to
figure
out
everything
that
it
that
we
can
do
with
swiftly.
So
that
be
a
conversation
we
need
to
have
with
swiftly.
F
A
Yeah
we
can
address
that
from
month
to
month,
Amber.
G
I
think
this
is
something
we
could
just
add
to
the
agenda
for
the
next
time,
so
to
keep
it
on
the
radar,
and
so
we
can
have
further
discussions
with
swiftly
on.
We
do
on
an
annual
basis.
They
give
us
our
prediction
rate
and
the
percentages
on
the
predictions
when
they
hit
the
real
time.
So
we
would
just
have
to
see
if
we
can
get
that
like
on
a
monthly
basis,
and
there
likely
is
a
report
that
we're
just
not
pulling.
G
But
we
would
just
have
to
have
to
research
that
Avenue
and
kind
of
check
to
see
and
and
kind
of
work
through
how
we
would
Market
that.
C
C
A
Let
me
see
monthly
updates
how
we
listen
on
how
Nicole
listed
on
there
on
our
agenda.
G
G
A
Yeah
I
like
the
idea
we
won't
be
meeting
next
month,
but
it'll
be
in
October
when
we
come
back,
October,
17th
and
we'll
have
it
listed
on
the
agenda
on
the
monthly
right.
There
reports
updates
sound
good.
A
Okay,
thank
you
Bill
for
the
input
sure,
okay,
so
Bill
may
I
have
your
vote.
C
A
Oh,
thank
you.
Everything's
approved
that
finalizes,
okay,
moving
forward
to
Art
system
rules,
final
draft
everyone
has
had
time
to
move,
I
mean
look
over
the
art
system.
Rules
and
I
made
a
couple
more
changes
this
past
week
as
everyone's
satisfied
with
the
rules.
A
And
Catherine,
if
you
would
like
to
Enlighten
us
on
anything,
I
have
a
few
questions
myself.
But
what
would
you
like
to
have
for
us
know
Catherine
about
the
art
system
rules?
Anybody
else
had
anything
to
him.
H
Just
if
anybody
has
anything
they
have
a
question
about
I
know
at
this
point,
we'd
like
to
have
kind
of
like
the
final
review
in
order
to
take
a
vote
on
it,
but
anything
anybody
has
a
question
about.
We
can
discuss
it
now.
B
A
Yes,
like
I
said,
and
the
rules
as
far
as
the
we'll
have
say,
index
card,
I,
don't
think
that's
been
I,
don't
know
it's
not
clear
in
my
mind
exactly
how
they
would
how
that
would
work.
I
had
heard
that
the
drivers
would
have
the
cars
and
the
day
I
heard
the
drivers
won't
have
the
cards
as
far
as
giving
the
individual
when
they
are
given
a
citation
on
the
bus.
A
I'll
inform
that
Dave
drivers
would
not
have
the
cards
and
supervisors
staff
the
dispatcher.
They
would
issue
the
card
to
the
person
and
then
the
other
thing
is
this:
what
if
person
is
put
off
the
bus
to
say
and
then
Black
Mountain
are
there?
They
have
a
violation
that
does
put
them
off
the
bus
and
they're
in
Black
Mountain?
A
H
E
So
right
now,
if
there's
the
issue
on
the
bus,
the
drivers
are
picking
up
the
radio
and
calling
for
help
so
they're
calling
for
the
supervisor
to
come
out.
If
it's
a
situation
where
the
supervisor
have
to
come
out
and
I,
don't
want
to
issue
a
ban
immediately
without
seeing
video
to
see
who
was
right,
who's
wrong.
You
know
before
the
person
is
completely
banned
from
the
system,
so
the
for
that
reason,
we
will
not
give
this
information
to
the
drivers
to
hand
out
it
will
be
handled
by
staff.
E
If
someone
is
in
Black
Mountain
and
there
is
an
issue
they'll
be
able
to
call,
the
drivers
will
be
able
to
call
if
it's
something
simple.
As
you
know,
the
bags
can't
be
on
the
seat.
E
That
can
be
something
announced
over
the
radio
through
the
private
system
just
directly
to
that
bus
for
the
person
to
remove
the
bags
without
having
to
kick
them
off
the
bus.
Okay,.
A
In
in
that
case,
APD
would
they
be
called
as
well?
Yes,.
E
Apd,
when
they
level
three
only
yes
level,
three
to
that
severity
weapons
or
something
like
that
on
the
bus.
Yes,
the
supervisor
will
come
out
as
well.
A
Okay,
because
there
is
always
a
question
about
our
the
person,
get
the
information
that
they
needed
out
there
supposed
to
pursue
their
next
move.
You
know
so
to
speak
and
as
far
as
the
rules
getting
put
out
to
the
drivers,
it'll
be
a
while
before
they're
put
out
and
they'll
have
training
sessions
as
well.
Yes,.
E
We'll
we'll
need
to
get
all
of
the
staff
training,
as
well
as
the
operators
to
know.
Once
we
get
those
rules
on
the
bus
and
the
drivers
and
staff
train,
we
can
move
forward.
A
Okay,
do
we
have
any
like
many,
a
set
of
rules
that
we're
going
to
give
back
to
the
public
as
yet.
H
No,
we
don't
right
now,
because
it's
such
a
long
document
that
we
don't
want
to
cut
any
of
it
out.
Yet
we
don't
want
to
cut
any
of
it
out,
but
I
know
there
will
be
pieces
that
will
have
to
be
shortened
to
be
able
to
fit
on
something.
But
we
have
to
put
that
in
the
three
languages.
So
we
want
to
make
sure,
however
much
space
that's
going
to
take
up.
H
A
Okay,
but
in
the
perspective
of
the
completed
document
it
will
be
showcased
so
to
speak
right
there,
where
you
get
your
bus
passes.
H
H
H
Somehow,
on
the
bus
says,
the
QR
code
will
link
up
with
the
website
and
we'll
have
the
URL
included,
just
like
we
added
to
the
maps,
but
we're
also
going
to
provide
the
rules
to
all
the
organizations
that
get
discounted
passes
and
anyone
we
work
with
with
the
passport
program
so
that
anyone
who
has
given
out
some
kind
of
a
pass
also
has
the
new
rules.
And
hopefully
we
can
work
out
something
to
do
some
training
sessions
with
them
as
well.
To
give
the
clientele
informed
on
the
buses.
A
A
And
there's
several
people
right
there
reading
it,
you
know
and
that
other
people
are
coming
in
trying
to
get
the
buck
pass
as
dispatch.
When
does
this
bus
come
in?
When
does
that
bus
come
in?
We
have
a
bunch
of
people
congested
right
there.
One
time.
A
G
I
I
will
we'll
take
and
we'll
we'll
look,
we'll
look
at
the
best
spot
for
it.
I
do
agree
with
with
you
Harvey.
We
don't
want
to
bottleneck
it
over
there,
so
if,
if
we
can
put
it
behind
glass
in
another
location,
as
you
indicated
that
that
would
probably
be
ideal,
I
think
we
just
have
to
look
at
the
space
requirements
and
see
if
there's
enough
space
there.
A
A
A
Make
a
motion
to
let
me
see
I,
like
can
I,
have
a
motion
to
accept
the
art
rules.
The
system
rules
as
they
are
written
I
have
a
motion
for
that.
A
B
I
moved
to
accept
the
art
system
rules
as
written
as
as
in
their
final
version,.
F
B
A
F
G
I
just
wanted
to
thank
all
of
your
efforts:
the
transit
committee
Catherine,
our
Transit
staff
and
our
ATP
Dev
and
operations,
and
also
to
better
buses
and
Carmen
for
all
their
efforts
on
Outreach
and
communication
and
providing
feedback
to
get
to
to
this
point.
So
thank
you
so
much
yes,.
H
A
You
thank
you.
Thank
you.
Thank
everyone
for
all
the
much
needed
input
and
support,
and
it's
been
it's
been.
This
is
a
Monumental
task
and
it's
it
ended
up
in
a
good
place.
Thank
you.
A
Okay,
Transit
Community,
member
updates
and
writer
experiences.
F
F
F
Ask
Bill
group
that
is
focused
on
sustainability
and
they've,
had
a
symposium
and
they're
planning
a
second
one
or
later
in
the
fall,
and
it's
just
the
somewhat
of
a
ground.
Roots
effort
of
individual
citizens,
probably
a
half
dozen
or
so
that
are
just
interested
in
the
general
subject
of
sustainability.
And
what
can
we
do
in
Asheville
to
make
things
better
in
terms
of
environmental
justice
in
terms
of
plunk,
climate
change,
all
those
kind
of
things
that
kind
of
roll
into
one
big
ball
of
Wax,
and
they
had
a
symposium
last
spring.
F
They
got
lenoiron
to
donate
their
facility.
They
had
no
idea
how
many
people
would
show
they
were
thinking,
maybe
15
or
20.
They
had
over
a
hundred
people
come
to
this
meeting.
They
had
some
speakers
on.
What
can
you
do
with
solar?
They
had
some
speakers
on
tree
canopy.
They
had
some
speakers
on
historic
preservation.
They
anyway
they're
in
the
process
of
planning.
More
of
these
things
and,
like
I,
said,
they've
got
one
planned
in
in
the
fall
and
I
I
was
invited
to
the
planning
session
and
so
I'm
just
learning
about.
F
What's
going
on
right
and
this
coming
one
they're
going
to
have
a
number
of
topical
tables
that
have
to
do
with
various
sustainable
topics
and
then
one
would
be
oh,
this
was
pretty
cool.
They've
got
somebody
coming
in.
That's
an
expert
that
knows
about
all
the
funding.
That's
available
from
the
infrastructure.
F
I
mean
inflation
reduction
act
that
was
passed
last
year
in
Congress
and
there's
there's
funds
available
for
us
to
do
things
like
put
on
solar
panels
and
City
stuff
and
there's
all
kind
of
stuff
and
they've
got
they've
got
one
on
tree.
Canopy
and
they've
got
one
on
environmental
justice,
but
anyway,
they've
got
all
these
topics
and
what
occurred
to
me
as
I
was
listening
to
the
conversation,
was
there's
nothing
more
sustainable
than
getting
people
invited
into
the
transit
system.
F
I
mean
the
more
cars
we
can
get
off
the
roads,
the
more
sustainable
our
planet
is,
our
city
is,
and
all
those
kind
of
great
things,
and
so
I,
just
I
just
took
a
crazy
raised
my
hand
and
said:
listen.
I've
got
a
topic
for
whenever
you're
ready
for
it,
I
think
and
I
think
the
a
symposium
of
100
to
who
knows
by
next
year.
F
It
might
be
300
people
if
we
could
get
in
front
of
hundreds
of
ashvillians
and
talk
to
them
about
how
the
transit
system
works
and
how
it's
good
and
how
it
can
minimize
your
use
of
car
and
how
it
can
get
you
to
where
you
want
to
go
these
ideas
about
predicted
performance,
the
ability
they
use,
the
app
that
was
just
it's
you
I'll
guarantee
you
very
few.
People
in
Asheville
know
that
there's
an
app
they
can
click
onto
and
know
when
a
bus
is
going
to
show
up.
F
So
if
we
so
anyway,
I
just
said,
I
believe
our
committee
would
be
interested
in
Sharing.
What
we
know
about
how
Transit
is
good
for
Asheville
and
let
that
be
part
of
this
Symposium.
Not
not.
This
fall
too
late,
but
what
I'm
suggesting
is
it?
This
is
a
this
is
an
area
where
we
could
have
an
impact
it
it's
an
area
where
we've
got
I,
don't
know
when
the
next
one
will
be
probably
happier
out.
F
A
Come
on,
thank
you
for
that
bill.
I
know
what
I
I
would
say,
but
amber
did
you
want
to
say
anything
about.
A
About
what
bill
was
referring
to
putting
out
our
feet
out,
as
far
as
you
know,
being
a
committee.
E
G
I,
like
the
idea
of
promoting
Transit
and
what
it
is,
and
a
12-minute
like
elevator
speech
or
just
the
benefits,
I
think
we
need
to
get
a
little
bit
more
information
in
terms
of
it.
But
we
can
provide
an
assist
you
all
as
members
of
the
committee
to
discuss
to
discuss
it
and
we
can
come
up
with
ideas.
I
think
we
just
need
a
little
I
would
need
a
little
bit
more
information
and
make
sure
you
know
what
resources
would
be
needed
and
if
we
can
provide
you
all
resources.
G
If
the
transit
committee
takes
it
on
as
an
as
an
advocacy
role,
I
mean
I
would
just
have
to
take.
Take
a
look
at
it,
but
I
think
any
time
we
can
Market
the
efforts
and
the
positive
things
around
Transit
and
in
in
our
community,
in
what
it
can
do
to
the
members.
I
think
it's
good
in
terms
of
sustainability,.
I
B
Oh,
thank
you
Bill
great
idea
and
I
I
look
forward
to
advancing
that
and
other
groups
that
may
surface
to
provide
that
sort
of
Community
interaction.
B
I
wanted
to
mention
many
of
you
or
some
of
you
may
have
attended
the
ADL
Fest
activities.
I
guess
it
was
last
weekend
or
the
one
before
and
I
was
curious.
B
If
art
provides
charter
service
for
local
events
like
that,
where
we
might
have
dedicated
buses
to
to
run
instead
of
having
to
Charter
private
services
like
like,
was
done,
I
didn't
see
many
Riders
on
the
young
buses
that
were
circulating
through
town,
maybe
some
of
you
others
did
but
I
wondered
if
art
routinely
charters
buses
to
provide
for
special
events
like
that
Amber.
G
We
are
not
allowed
to
provide
charter
service,
administrative
rules
that
we're
not
a
charter
provider.
We
could
promote
the
like
AVL
or
any
type
of
special
events
could
promote
using
our
existing
services
and
routes.
At
the
particular
events
like
with
the
abl
Fest,
you
could
promote
on
the
existing
Services.
We
could
work
with
the
events
on
that,
but
we
are
not
allowed
to
provide
charter
service.
B
That's
confusing:
what
is
the
if
I'm
a
harvey,
what
what
is
the
reason
for
that
Amber?
Is
it
just
a
restriction
in
the
law
or
is
it
to
promote
or
avoid
competition?
Is
that.
B
I
just
saw
it
as
an
Outreach
opportunity
to
expand
the
knowledge
of
our
system
to
both
locals
and
visitors.
If.
G
We
had
if
we
had
some
existing
Park
and
Ride
Lots.
You
can
also
promote
those,
but
you
can
promote
the
existing
services
and
the
events
that
are
that
are
on
those.
We
can
provide
some
services
to
local
elected
officials
that
are
doing
a
tour,
but
we
are
not
allowed
to
do
Charter
activities.
C
All
right
so
I
understand
yeah
the
the
charter
Rule
and
that
that
makes
sense
to
me.
But
could
you
you
know
if
in
supporting
an
event
or
you
know
a
city
sponsored
event,
you
could
increase
your
number
of
routes
or,
or
you
know,
reduce
your
your
headways.
C
G
G
Are
ways
you
know
we
we
can
work
in
other
cities.
I've
worked
with
folks
that
that
have
done
that
for
events
that
they
want
to
do
something
or
at
add
frequency
and-
and
we've
been
able
to
do
that.
Just
within
our
existing
service
structure
and
we've
had
to
like
an
organization,
would
pay
for
it
or
a
business
right.
G
A
Okay,
getting
back
to
what
Bill
started
as
far
as
you
know,
the
sustainability
and
everything
like
that.
It's
the
same
thing
that
thoughts
that
I
had
Bill
I
was
invited
by
this
company.
That
has
been
where
they
invited
to
ask
me
all
this.
For
us
Parks
and
Recreation.
A
We
have
big
parks
and
restoration
here,
but
I
was
invited
to
a
group
of
10
people
from
an
outside
agency
to
be
in
this
descent
in
this
group,
but
until
I
had
some
information
as
far
as
you
know,
bringing
it
to
the
committee
I
couldn't
bring
them
anything,
but
I
also
plan
to
Champion
as
well.
A
For
you
know,
transit
in
that
Avenue
as
far
as
getting
people
there
getting
people
from
there
always
do
that,
because
Transit
is
first
thing
in
my
mind
when
there
is
an
event
in
Asheville,
that's
called
going
back
to
what
calling
himself
about
and
Joseph
was
talking
about
as
well,
but
for
events.
A
Events
happening
in
Asheville
every
weekend,
just
about
roads
are
blocked
off
going
towards
the
courthouse.
The
buses
have
to
take
a
left
at
the
top
of
the
street
up
there
is,
you
know
there
are
a
lot
of
things
that
you
know
go
on
and
ask
me
you
ought
to
come
out
on
the
weekends
and
see
those
things,
but
you
know
they're,
not
they
don't
make
any
special
route
changes
or
anything
like
that.
For
these
different,
you
know
online.
A
You
know
Juneteenth
Festival,
all
of
that
the
routes
just
stay
the
same
and
just
like
black
Asheville
down
in
the
River
arts
district.
There
are
no
special
things
that
go
on.
You
know
to
take
people
down
to
the
river.
You.
I
A
Out
like
a
mile
away
or
three
quarters
of
a
mile
away
and
you
walk
the
rest
of
the
way
you
know,
but
you
know
as
far
as
Champion
for
those
events,
I
have
a
champion
for
those
events,
but
it's
a
good
thing
to
do
and
I.
You
know
that's
I
like
the
way
you
know
I
like
the
direction
that
you're
talking
and
I
appreciate
the
conversations
Amber.
G
And
that's
a
good
point:
Harvey
there
are,
there
are
in
in
other
communities
that
I've
worked
with
we've.
You
know
directed
people
to
go
to
like
a
parking
garage
or
somewhere.
You
work
with
the
event
sponsor
and
say
this
is
where
you
can
catch
the
bus
to
get
to
where
you
need
it's
the
existing
service.
You
know
your
prayer
will
be
a
dollar,
and
these
are
the
easy
access
points.
That'll
get
you
to
the
venue
and
you
can.
They
can
utilize
the
service,
but
but
we
can.
We
can
work
with
events
like
that
and.
F
F
A
That
would
be
nothing
wrong
with
it,
but
they
don't
they
don't
they're
not
going
to
adjust
the
route.
Just
for
an
event,
though,.
G
Route
for
special
events
and
modify
your
existing
route
just
on
those
certain
days
than
you
are
providing
providing
a
charter.
So
you
have
to
be
really
careful
and
look
at
you
know
the
requests
from
in
my
from
my
knowledge,
I,
don't
believe
every
Duty
deviated
or
aren't
some
or
deviated
around
to
to
hit
an
event.
G
F
If
there's
a
way,
we
can
improve
user
experience,
I
want
us
to
go
there.
I
wanted
to
challenge
the
book.
I
want
us
to
make
user
experience
better
and
if
we
have
to
go
to
Raleigh
or
wherever
Washington
I
think
we
should
I
think
we
need
to
get
cars
off
the
roads
and
mobilize
Transit
and
if
there's
ways
to
do
it,
I
think
we
ought
to
purchase
that
that's
my
soap
opera.
F
All
right,
well,
Harvey,
I'll,
leave
a
deal.
We
want
to
proceed
in
that
one,
but
I
think
that's
worth
studying,
because
I
I
tell
you
one
thing:
that's
unusual
about
Asheville
is
we've
got
the
golden
event
coming
at
our
ears
everywhere,
every
day,
every
week,
the
way
we
had
any
flexibility
in
our
public
transit
system
to
mobilize
resources
to
the
point
of
an
event
and
not
call
it
a
charter
service,
we
should
pursue
that.
G
I
think
take
a
look
at
it.
I
think
there
there
are
challenges.
Is
the
funding
and
our
lack
of
resources
and
drivers
and
buses
to
to
try
to
do
that,
but
I
mean
we
can
look
at
existing
services
and
and
events
what's
on
existing
routes,
I
mean
we
can
take
a
look
at
it.
F
F
Yeah
regulations
are
hard
to
solve.
A
C
And
so
another
thought
is,
you
know,
so
Asheville
is
a
popular
place
for
festivals
and,
as
Bill
said,
we
got
festivals
coming
out
the
years
and
yeah
there's
a
festival
every
weekend.
Probably
we
can't
deviate
from
our
routes,
but
and
I
don't
I,
don't
you
know
purport
to
know
how
Asheville
government
is
run,
but
I.
C
Imagine
that
to
have
some
sort
of
a
festival
you
may
have
to
get
some
sort
of
permit,
maybe
through
the
city
and
and
I
don't
know,
I,
don't
know
what
the
permitting
process
is,
or
anybody
could
just
say:
hey
I'm
having
a
Festival
this
weekend
and
and
you
know,
and
it's
an
anarchy
festival
or
whatever
Flavor
of
the
Day
Festival
you're
wanting
to
have
so.
C
That
being
said,
if
anybody
is
having
a
festival
and
they're
getting
a
festival,
I'm
wondering
if
there's
a
way
to
plug
in
transit
in
the
permitting
of
the
festival
to
an
you
know
to
whether
you're
encouraging
them
to
support
additional
you
know,
operations
or-
or
you
know,
including
Transit,
and
their
marketing
information,
so
I
think
kind
of
going
to
what
bills
want
to
do,
and
you
know
wanting
to
better
market
and
better
courage.
C
A
Yes,
but
one
thing
I'd
like
to
interject
before
I
get
you
Joseph.
This
has
happened
over
the
last
six
seven
years
that
I've
been
here
in
Asheville
drivers.
Don't
know
what's
going
on
in
Asheville,
when
it's
a
festival,
whether
it's
Olaf
or
well,
it's
a
June
team
Festival.
They
have
no
idea.
They
see
people
going
to
different
places,
maybe
increase
bus
ridership.
But
if
not
a
set
thing,
they
come
to
work
to
do
their
job
and
Joseph.
B
I
I
think
that's
clearly
an
educational
thing
with
the
drivers
that
we
should
be
in
their
morning
briefing
as
to
what's
going
on
in
town.
Perhaps
but
that's
a
that's
an
issue.
B
I
wasn't
going
to
address
what
made
me
think
of
this
and
I
appreciate
everybody
embracing
it
as
as
bill
has
offered
in
Colin,
but
is
that
the
young
buses
that
were
running
the
abl
Fest,
at
least
the
one
in
West
Asheville,
was
following
a
W-2
bus
that
afternoon
that
when
I
witnessed
it,
there
was
nobody
or
very
few
people
on
The
Young
bus
and
the
W-2
had
probably
15
people
on
it,
and
they
were
going
the
same
way
and
it
was
limited
pickups
along
Haywood
Road,
one
pickup
I
believe
in
West
National,
so
I
mean
these
are
just
these
are
just
ways
in
which
we
can
expose
the
benefits
of
public
transit
to
the
public.
G
No
I
think
these
are
all
good
ideas
if
we
can
work
with
events
to
promote
our
existing
Services.
I
think
I
think
that
that
promotes
the
services
and
gives
our
public
additional
access
to
these
events.
A
Yes,
thank
you
Amber
and
going
on
with
the
Transit
Committee
Member
updates
and
writer
experiences.
If
there
is
no
one
else
that
has
any
experiences
or
member
updates
I'll
go
ahead
and
Jump
On
In
There
Is
there
anybody
else
before
I
go
in.
A
Okay,
what
I
like
to
say
I've
been
going
I've
went
over
this
before,
but
one
of
the
drivers
brought
it
back
to
my
attention
because
I
hadn't
went
to
wall
the
Walmart
on
bleachery
in
quite
some
time,
but
it's
still
a
a
w
e
one
Rider
going
up
to
the
V8,
but
she
brought
to
my
attention
that
when
the
bus
leaves
the
the
transit
stop
right
there
at
Walmart
and
proceeding
on
this
route
before
it
gets
out
of
the
Walmart
parking
lot
that
Colonnade
there's
a
traffic
interesting
before
it
gets
to
the
road
and
it's
it
should
be
something
like
a
a
three-way.
A
Stop
sign.
Four-Way
stop
sign
right
there,
because
the
driver
is
looking
all
the
way
around
from
from
traffic
coming
from
Kohl's
traffic.
Coming
from
that
parking
lot
traffic
coming
from
Walmart
traffic
coming
from
the
The
Colonnade
right
there,
they
said
it
was
really
dangerous
and
then,
when
we
got
to
the
end
of
the
road,
there's
no
stop
sign
right.
There,
there's
a
truck
sign
trucks.
A
This
way,
I
believe
that's
what
it
says:
trucks
this
way,
truck
exit,
I,
believe
truck
exit,
I,
don't
know
and
I
brought
that
to
Steph's
attention
before
and
I
lost
the
thought,
but
right
there,
it
should
be
a
stop
sign
right
there.
At
the
end
of
that
parking
lot,
the
bus
stops.
Everybody
has
stops
right
there,
but
there's
no
stop
sign
right
there
and
then
there's
a
road
coming
straight
down:
okay,
LaShawn.
E
A
So
would
you
check
into
that
and
because,
like
the
driver
said
it's
very
dangerous
right
there,
but
you
know
it
just
needs
something
to
say
somebody
stop
and
then
the
part
that's
backs
away
from
that
LaShawn.
Do
you
know
what
I'm
talking
about.
A
The
buses
came
out
of
the
roundabout
and
stopped
and
picked
up
the
passengers,
and
when
it's
proceeding
before
it
gets
to
the
end
of
you
know
where
it
stops
coming
out
of
there.
There's
traffic
coming
in
at
least
straight.
A
Towards
stop
sign,
but
there
should
be
some
kind
of
sign
to
the
right
one
to
the
left
for
those
people
coming
out
of
code
for
Stock
or
people.
That's
coming
from
The
Colonnade
over
there
to
stop
as
well,
but
I've
like
they
said
it's
just
dangerous
right
there,
but
they
always
they're.
You
know
they're
very
good
at
looking.
You
know
for
traffic
come
out
there,
but
sometimes
people
will
shoot
in
front
of
them.
I
I
A
I
A
There
right
at
that
spot
right
in
there
there
see
it's
come
nothing,
it's
something!
Coming
from
the
left
from
the
right
and
they're
going
straight
gotcha,
they
said
that's
a
dangerous
spot
in
there
and
then,
when
you
get
on
around
the
corner,
that's
when
you
run
into
the
stop,
no
stop
sign
at
all.
We.
I
A
A
Okay,
thank
you,
Nicole
and
let
me
see
this
would
be
Danielle's.
First
time,
Danielle
I
give
out
a
shout
to
these
drivers,
Daniel
Chris
and
cornbread,
and
James
Tammy
and
Dean
and
I'd
like
to
give
a
shout
out
to
those
drivers
for
being
exceptional
drivers
as
far
as
giving
directions
at
the
transit
station,
the
people
that
are
don't
they
don't
lost
their
way.
A
They
don't
know
where
they're
at
so
to
speak,
but
I
see
them
from
time
to
time
they
just
Johnny
on
the
spot,
and
you
know
if
they
have
time
to
give
people
a
education.
They'll
stop
there
and
they'll
do
it,
for
you
know
on
five
ten
minutes
if
they
have
the
time,
but
I've
seen
them
do
that
over
and
over
again
and
then
when
we
were
going
down
Patton
Avenue
before
we
got
to
Haywood
Church
last
week,
there
was
a
couple
there
and
they
had
all
kind
of
clothes.
A
Bundled
up
like
you,
had
a
a
big
sheet
tied
around
their
clothes
and
being
experienced,
driver
I'll
get
to
her
in
a
minute.
A
A
You
know
what
she
looks
like
and
full
of
clothes
and
the
observation
that
she
made
before
she
got
there.
She
told
them
I'm,
not
picking
y'all
up,
because
you
necessarily
you're
bringing
bed
bugs
on
to
the
bus
with
all
those
clothes
and
that
tied
up
thing,
and
it
was
just
sitting
on
the
streets
right
beside
them
and
she's.
She
just
made
the
decision
right
then,
and
there
that's
how
we
get
for
bed
bugs
and
people
take
them
home
lights
and
all
that
to
their
homes.
A
And
you
know
she
made
the
observation
and
that
was
Tammy.
She
didn't
let
him
she
told
them
before
they
even
tried
to
get
on
the
bus
and
I
thought.
That
was
very
commendable
because
it
didn't
look
too
clean
either,
but
they
were
totally
closed
all
around
and
that's
what
I
like
to
say
about
my
drivers
and
I
love.
My
Transit
as
I
always
say
the
next
thing
that
I
was
going
over
some
things
with
LaShawn
and
I
found
out
that,
and
she
might
correct
me
on
this.
A
We
have
57
drivers.
One
of
the
drivers
was
entertaining
Thoughts
with
me.
As
far
as
we
got
enough
drivers,
we
have
enough
drivers,
they
felt
as
though
we
had
enough
drivers
and
are
they
planning
on
extending
the
route.
So,
and
you
know
at
night,
and
things
like
that,
I
said,
I
have
no
idea.
I
said
I
can
check
with
LaShawn
to
find
out
and.
A
I
kind
of
find
out
that
we
have
summer
drivers
have
passed,
I
mean
quit.
We
have
57
drivers
now
and
the
other
thing
that
I
found
out
is:
we
need
more
buses
at
the
current
time.
We
don't
have.
A
We
currently
don't
have
enough
buses,
so
the
Sean
might
see
I'm
on
I'm
right
on
that
and
might
say
I'm
wrong,
but
that's
what
I've
got
57
drivers
and
we
need
more
buses
at
the
current
time
and
I
also
was
sad
to
hear
that
one
of
our
bus
drivers
passed
away
I
think
they
had
a
heart
problem,
but
one
one
of
our
drivers.
They
did
pass
away,
but
before
I
get
too
emotional
about
that.
That's
all
I
had
to
say
about
that
today,
but,
like
I,
said,
I
commend
my
drivers.
A
B
Yeah
Harvey
that
that
situation
you
were
describing
where
the
driver
ruled
the
luggage
or
the
the
clothes
that
were
dirty,
maybe
a
health
risk.
It.
A
B
I
was
just
reviewing
the
the
rules
that
we
just
passed.
I,
don't
think
unless
the
health
hazard
issue
is
is
applicable,
I,
don't
think
the
rules
would
cover
something
like
that.
It.
A
B
B
A
A
You
can't
teach
some
life
lessons,
but
they
have
good
common
sense.
Yes,
they're,
not
thinking
about
themselves,
they're
thinking
about
other
people,
common
sense,
Catherine,.
H
Yes,
so
thank
you
Harvey
just
to
to
touch
on
that
Joseph,
the
piece
that
you
mentioned
about
health
hazard
level,
one
number
13.
it's
this
discussion
of
exposing
other
passengers
to
bodily
fluids
of
any
kind
or
odors
that
may
present
serious
health
or
safety
risks.
H
That
would
be
one
aspect
of
it
that
a
driver
could
reference
if
they
needed
to
for
something
like
that,
but
also
the
size
of
it.
If
it
is
something
that
it
surpasses
the
size
of
the
cargo
cart
they're
using
to
carry
it
so
there's
a
couple
different
Avenues,
a
driver
could
use
after
we
go
through
the
trainings
with
the
drivers
and
everything
it
should
give
them
like
a
tool
kit
to
use
when
they
see
something
that
doesn't
feel
right
and
they
use
that
common
sense.
H
B
H
Here's
the
information
you
need
whatever
they
need
to
back
it
up,
but
yeah
there's
definitely
a
rule
in
there
for
health
risks
if
it's
either
fluid
or
or
a
smell,
if
there's
an
odor.
So
if
there's
something
there
that
seems
to
be
a
health
risk,
then
they
can
refer
to
that.
H
A
A
Bill,
yes,
sir
I
see
your
voice
is
moving,
but
I
didn't
hear
anything.
F
Yeah
I'm
on
the
phone
and
not
the
video,
no
I
would
I.
You
know.
I
had
it's
funny.
You
should
say
that
I
I
did
have
some
thoughts
on
this
last
conversation.
I
think
Joe's
right
that
we
need
to
make
sure
the
rules
allow
us
to
enforce,
and
it
just
seems
to
me
that
in
all
situations
the
driver-
s
always
I-
think
need
to
use
their
judgment.
F
There's
there's
probably
no
way
to
have
a
specific
rule
for
everything
that
could
possibly
happen,
so
it
to
Joseph's
point.
It
would
be
nice.
If
we
could,
we
could
make
sure
that
the
rules
include
some
sort
of
judgment
driver
judgment,
it's
kind
of
like
we.
You
know
when
you
ride
on
a
plane
and
the
Pilot's
over
there
checking
the
air
pressure
in
the
tires.
You
know
the
plane
is
their
responsibility
and
the
bus
is
our
Driver's
Responsibility.
F
Yeah
you,
you
said
very
much
that
I
just
wanted
to
support.
G
The
Update
Memo
was
provided
to
you
in
the
agenda.
There's
not
much
new,
we're
still
working
on
our
triennial
review
process.
We've
just
recently
been
notified
that
the
process
is
going
to
be
pushed
back
a
couple
weeks,
possibly
so,
which
one
of
the
reasons
why
we're
not
going
to
have
a
Transit
Committee
in
September
it
may
push
into
October,
so
I'm
still
waiting
to
hear
a
date
on
that
it
may
be
the
second
week
of
October.
G
I
do
I
believe
most
of
the
heavy
lifting
and
all
the
work
and
the
requests
are
going
to
be
done
in
September.
So
it
should
not
be
a
problem
to
have
the
October
meeting,
but
we're
still
working
on
confirming
that
date
with
the
reviewers.
What
happens?
Is
they
ask
us
for
additional
questions
and
clarifications,
and
they
give
us
two
to
three
weeks
to
respond
to
those
us
and
our
sub-recipients?
They
go
from
all
the
21
levels
of
compliance.
G
They
take
it
in
like
two
packages
that
they'll
submit
to
us
and
that
we
have
to
give
back
to
them.
So.
G
To
be
working
on
that,
hopefully
we'll
get
our
first
request
from
them
on
the
follow-up
of
our
information
we
submitted
in
February.
We
get
that
within
the
next
week,
we'll
provide
any
additional
updates
that
we
have
that
might
with
our
schedules,
but
that
staff's
time
will
be
spent
majority
of
that
time.
In
the
upcoming
month,
Catherine
has
been
working
on
our
Transit
bus,
stop
enhancement,
Grant,
we're
working
on
some
ifbs
for
shelters,
as
well
as
some
semi-seats
for
for
amenities
for
at
our
bus
stops.
G
If
you
have
any
questions,
let
us
know
Catherine
can
provide
any
additional
information
on
the
bus,
stop
enhancement
if
needed.
Thank.
B
Yeah
Amber
I'm,
just
looking
over
the
report
and
in
reading
the
FTA
review
summary
you
referred
to
in
the
second
sentence.
There
reviewers
look
at
policies,
plans,
system
processes
and
compliance
activities
of
the
city
of
Nashville,
and
it's
eight
sub-recipients,
who
are
the
eight
sub-recipients
that
surprising.
G
We
we
we
provide
funding
to
the
urbanized
in
the
urbanized
area.
There
are
5307
funding,
which
is
the
urbanized
funding,
and
that
goes
to
Buncombe,
County
city
of
Asheville,
Henderson,
County,
Madison
or
Madison
just
5310,
and
let's
see
Mountain
projects
which
is
in
Haywood,
and
then
we
have
our
5310,
which
is
the
elderly
and
a
senior
funding
the
it's
it's
funding
for
the
disabled
as
well
as
seniors,
and
we
have
non-profit
sub-recipients
such
as
Council
on
Aging
Nicole,
Nicole
works
with
them.
I
G
Those
non-profits
that
sometimes
they
submit
applications
and
those
those
applications
are
done
through
the
mpo.
They
provide
the
selection
criteria
as
well
as
make
the
selections,
and
then
we
provide
the
compliance
and
oversight
and
and
the
money
for
for
these
programs,
and
sometimes
some
of
the
programs
are
funded
annually
and
sometimes
they're.
Not
so
it
just
depends
on
what
the
agencies
apply
for.
D
A
Okay,
moving
on
to
monthly
update
monthly
Rat
day
of
reports
update
last
month,
sort
of
doing
it
getting
an
educational
view
from
staff
on
on
Time
Performance
summary.
Last
month,
both
the
on-time
summer
reports
and
Rat
Dev
report.
We
went
over
those
in
depth
just
to
give
an
education
to
committee
members
and
found
that
to
be
very
educational
for
all
concerns,
and
this
week
we
have
two
left.
A
E
Foreign,
so
the
PM
report
is
the
number
of
buses
that
was
serviced
for
the
month
of
July.
E
A
The
PM
report-
that's
what
they
do
to
each
and
every
bus
right.
Yes,.
E
When
the
service
is
due
for
the
vehicle,
they
pull
it
to
on
the
maintenance
on
it.
Okay,.
A
I
noticed
on
the
new
buses:
well,
at
first
the
brakes
were
kind
of
testy
and
now
especially
on
23.49,
it
has
a
horrible
sound.
When
you
put
on
a
break
card
just
absolutely
terrible
sound,
then
they
call
it
it's
a
brand
new
bus
and
they
call
it
Snoopy
already.
E
And
so
yeah
the
brakes
are
they
just
got
to
be
get
a
use,
get
used
to
the
new
brakes
on
the
buses
but
yeah
yeah,
but.
A
That's
that's
what
they
call
Snoopy.
They
got
some
terrible
signs
if
you
have
to
stop
that
bus
like
right.
Now,
that's
a
that's
a
horrible
sound,
but
when
you
ease
to
break
in
you
know
it's
okay,
but
if
you
have
to
make
that
stop,
that's
terrible,
sound
yeah,
I'll.
E
Take
a
look
at
I'll
have
John,
take
a
look
into
that.
F
Hey
I've
got
a
question
on
the
PM
report.
Sure.
G
I
can
provide
I
can
answer
that?
No
we're
not!
This
is
through
the
operations
contract,
the
only
there
are
buses,
the
ones
that
are
over
their
useful
life
that
have
over
350
000
miles.
We
we
provide
for
the
above
and
beyond,
which
would
be
like
Transmissions
condensers
engines
that
is
part
of
the
contract,
their
their
obligation
on
maintenance.
This
is
just
their
own
tracking,
but
we
receive
it.
G
D
G
That's
just
an
internal
tracking
from
my
understanding,
we're
not
charged
that
we
have
a.
We
have
a
a
contract
that
we're
not
charged
maintenance,
except
for
the
buses
that
are
above
and
beyond
their
useful
life.
It
means
it's
cost
more
for
them
to
upgrade,
such
as
the
engines
and
the
Transmissions
foreign.
F
G
Mean
it's
all
through
it's.
It's
there's
a
fixed
fee,
as
well
as
their
their
hourly
Revenue
rate,
so
we're
not
charged
anything
for
maintenance,
except
for
those
issues
that
are
above
and
beyond
the
useful
life
for
the
buses,
because
it's
we
have
about
17
buses
that
meet
that
criteria
and
the
costs
are
more
expensive
to
operate
those
due
to
our
inability
to
replace
them
on
a
timely
manner.
F
F
G
F
A
Okay,
Colin
has
his
name
hand
race,
go
ahead,
Colin
yeah.
C
They
will
use
this
internally
when
they
go
back
to
negotiate
with
Amber
at
Contract
renewal,
because
then
they
can
see
how
many
you
know
how
many
hours
they
spent
and
how
much
it
cost
and
that
hourly
rate
is
a
loaded
hourly
rate,
so
that's
including
their
overhead
and
the
facilities
and
and
there's
several
other,
you
know
items
to
add
to
it.
That's
that's
not
what
they're
getting
paid.
Unfortunately,
it's
it's
it's
a
fraction.
They
get
paid
a
fraction
of
that,
but
overhead
everything
about
doubles
it
so.
C
Get
it
and
that's
and
that's
really
typical
I've
I've
worked
in
other
governments
where
you
know
your
maintenance
contract.
It's
you
know
under
a
certain
number
of
miles,
everything's
included
and
then
once
you
get
over
that
do
not
resuscitate
order.
Then
everything
costs
big
money
to
repair
exactly.
D
E
So
at
the
end
of
this,
it
told
you
that
it
shows
you
the
total,
oh,
my
goodness,
that
was
spent
for
the
month
of
July,
on
repairs
in
parts
of
the
buses
yeah.
G
And
they're
they're
also
able
to
with
this.
If
there's
any
warranty
work
on
these
buses,
like
the
the
gilligs,
the
the
ones
we
just
received,
if
there's
warranty
works,
then
they
can
charge
that
back
to
gillig
for
the
warranty
work.
D
G
If
there's
something
like
there
was
some
well
I
mean
we've
had
some
issues,
there's
just
there's,
always
little,
there's
always
little
issues
when
you
purchase
the
new
equipment
so
when
they
find
those
and
they're
able
to
take
care
of
them
within
their
own
maintenance
department,
they
take
care
of
them,
but
then
they
get
billed
back
to
to
get
like
or
two
whatever.
The
bus
manufacturer.
A
I
appreciate
my
committee
members
input
okay,
rabbitship
report.
A
E
So
this
ridership
report
is
for
each
bus
for
the
month
of
July
and
how
many
people
that
were
picked
up
her
route.
This
these
numbers
come
from
the
automatic
passenger
counter
that
are
on
the
bus
when
you're
walking
on
the
buses
you'll
see
either
by
the
door.
There's
these
little
reflector
looking
boxes
or
on
the
newer
buses
like
the
praterra
buses
or
the
newer
gilic
buses
they're
over
they're
above
your
head.
So
it
counts
the
people
as
it
come
in.
E
A
E
Remember
the
exact
thing
that
the
APC
counter
does,
but
if
for
like,
for
example,
if
the
driver
gets
getting
on
it,
I
don't
I
don't
know
if
it's
counting
the
driver.
It's
definitely
just
counting
the
on
boards
for
people
getting
on
it.
E
G
I
definitely
am
not
an
expert
on
on
the
algorithms
of
the
the
AP;
they
call
them.
Apc's
automatic
passenger
encounters,
but
they're.
Also,
these
These
are
scheduled
with
the
block
runs
on
each
route.
So
it's
familiar
with
all
the
stops.
G
You
can
get
stop
level
data
on
the
on
offs
as
well
as
it
also
gives
us
the
total
ridership
numbers
and
Catherine
on
our
Transit
staff
works
with
lashon
on
this,
as
well
as
John
and
maintenance
and
the
maintenance
team,
because
they're
there's
always
some
issues
just
with
the
equipment
or,
if,
like
somebody,
gets
on
with
the
sensors
that
are
closer
to
the
ground
and
they
can
get
knocked
off,
and
so
so
it's
a
process
of
Maintenance
as
well
as
making
sure
Catherine
pulls
the
reports
weekly,
sometimes
even
more
than
than
that,
just
to
ensure
that
all
of
the
stops
are
being
all
of
the
buses
are
being
rotated
with
different
apcs,
just
to
make
sure
we
get.
F
G
F
Going
up
or
a
route
which
would
give
us
the
ability
to
know
whether
or
not
we're
losing
traffic
or
we
need
to
readjust
right
I
mean
tell
us
whether
or
not
things
need
to.
The
other
thing
is
I
and
I
hate
to
stick
again,
but
I
wish.
We
could
record
our
utilization
I
would
love
to
see
what
the
utilization
report
is
on
these
routes.
I
mean
there's
one
that
twenty
three
thousand
and
most
of
the
others
are
less
than
four
I.
F
G
What
Amber
well
and
then
I
think
lashawn's
probably
going
to
go
the
same
place
as
I
am.
Is
you
know
this
ridership
is
based
on
frequency,
your
your
wee
one,
your
wee
one
has
your
highest
frequency
yeah
on
on
of
the
route,
the
others
are
lower
frequency
they
all
right.
So.
F
G
D
F
G
We
we
pulled,
we
pulled
service
off
of
due
to
due
to
Staffing.
Resources
are
just
getting
back
to
where
they
were
and
it's
also
very
hard.
We
did
Route,
we
did
a
restructure
of
the
system
and
made
all
those
operational
changes
in
I,
think
January
of
2020,
and
then
we
had
covid.
So
there's
not
some.
Some
of
these.
We
don't
even
have
good
Baseline
data
on
where
we
were
at
once.
G
They
started
because
of
covid,
so
it
is
kind
of
hard
to
chase
down
to
do
some
of
the
routes
that
got
changed
with
those
service
changes.
So
we
have
been
looking
at
that
and
staff.
We
can
provide
some
additional
information.
Some
some
trending
analysis
on
the
routes
and
I
believe
that's
been
provided
to
you
in
the
past
and
that's
something
we
can
do
again.
Yeah.
A
Because
I
was
in
a
meeting,
Friday
and
junior
Mayfield
was
in
that
and
she
was
quoting
some
ridership
numbers
and
stuff
like
that
and
I
I
kind.
F
A
Upset
but
I
had
to
get
with
a
Sean
and
get
the
numbers
from
her,
but
I
couldn't
find
out
kind
of
find
out.
She
was
on
point
as
far
as
what
YouTube
was
on
point
for
when
she
was
saying,
because
before
covet,
we
had
something
like
40,
000,
ridership
and
now
we're
down
over
20
000
after
cooking.
Yes,
well,
we're
down
twenty
thousand
Africa.
G
F
Well,
I
know
we
can
do
all
kinds
of
analysis
where
I
want
this
group
to
go
towards
is
how
do
we
make
it
better?
I
mean
Amber,
you
just
you
just
made
the
point
there.
The
reason
we
got
a
23
000
is
because
there's
more
frequency.
Well,
how
do
we
exploit
that
to
say
what
prevents
us
from
all
these
people
having
all
these
grounds
having
more
frequency,
so
everybody's
got
twenty
thousand
I
mean,
what's
a
public
benefit
of
every
one
of
these
rap
doing
twenty
thousand
a
month,
it's
gonna
be
huge.
F
F
F
There's
enormous,
there's
enormous
public
benefit.
If
we
could
expand
the
transit
system
from
one
percent
of
Ash
billion
to
eight
percent
of
ass
billion,
the
climate
would
be
cleaner,
the
air
would
be
cleaner,
there'd
be
less
congestion,
there'd
be
less
noise,
there'd
be
more
safety,
everything
would
be
better
and
you
just
defended
the
point.
The
reason
there's
23
000
is
because
there's
more
frequency.
E
G
H
G
F
So
what
do
we
need
to
say
to
count?
What
do
we
need
to
say
to
council
to
get
to
that
point.
G
That
was
part
of
the
you
know.
The
joint
County
and
City
Transit
plan
was
going
to
answer.
Some
of
the
questions
on
in
the
master
plan
gives
us
the
information
and
it
provides
us
a
path
forward
where
we're
seeing
it
is
the
limitations
of
resources
for
capital
for
the
buses,
because,
if.
I
G
F
F
G
We
we
have
two
buses
programmed
in
the
in
for
for
this
year
to
replace
with
local
funds.
G
F
F
G
F
G
The
challenges
are
funding
and
then
we
have
the
challenges
with
we're.
Looking
at
Alternatives
for
a
plan
and
it's
still
being
identified
what
what
we
can
do
there
as
a
city
to
to
look
at
those
operating
efficiencies.
F
And
I
think
our
job
is
to
prioritize
and
make
motions
to
the
council.
That
says
we
need
these
resources,
so
you're
saying
we
need
resources.
What
prevents
our
committee
to
going
to
the
multimodal
and
say
we
need
to
have
a
motion
to
support
X
number
of
dollars
to
make
this
happen.
There's
nothing
in
our
governance
policy
that
prevents
us
from
doing
that.
D
F
F
G
We
had
you
know
it
was
before
I
came
on
board
I
think
it
was
the
previous
fiscal
year.
A
council
did
approve
expansion
to
Southern
to
some
southern
route.
So
someone
will
have
to
give
me
a
little
bit
more
information.
I,
don't
have
the
specific
as
well
as
evening,
expansion
of
service
and
that.
G
The
budget,
but
we
did
not
have
the
the
Staffing
Resources
to
provide
the
funding
I
mean
it's
still
very
hard.
It's
like
whack-a-mole
trying
to
get
drivers.
F
G
F
G
All
right,
no
everybody's,
trying
and
I
mean
everyone's
still
committed
to
to
the
transit
master
plan.
It's
just
you
know.
There
are
realities
of
the
current
challenges
and
the
the
atmosphere
that
we're
dealing
with
with
our
aging
Fleet
with
our
facility.
That's
over
50,
some
years
old
that
can't
accommodate
electric
vehicles
and
our
service
delivery
on
routes.
G
We
can't
put
vehicles
that
are
over
30
feet
on
so
there's
some
major
challenges:
no
one's
giving
up
everybody's
trying
and
just
everybody
is
making
efforts
to
try
to
improve
and
increase
service,
and
they
see
the
need
for
it.
I
mean
it's
all
identified.
F
G
D
F
F
F
G
To
improve
services
and
move
forward
and
look
at
efficiencies
and
and
look
at
and
you
know,
just
sustainable
funding
for
the
system.
I
mean
costs
have
have
increased
it.
It
costs
a
lot
to
do
business
more
so
than
it
did
in
2018
and
then
after
covid,
so
we're
dealing
with
some
different
challenges
that
have
occurred
since
the
master
plan.
E
C
Just
you
know,
build
comments
made
me
think
of
a
a
few
other
things
to
add
on
this
ridership.
So,
as
was
discussed,
you
know
your
the
ridership
report.
You
know
we
won
and
we
too
have
you
know
better
Headway
than
the
other
ones,
which
may
explain
why
it's
got
a
lot
more
Riders.
So
a
maybe
a
better
way
to
look
at
is
what
is
our
occupancy
of
our
of
our
route?
C
Our
average
occupancy,
you
know,
is
it
you
know:
20
Riders
per
route
average,
for
you
know,
N5
or
you
know,
and
we
won-
is
40
average
Riders
per
out.
So
then
you're
looking
at
a
rider
per
route
as
opposed
to
the
total
Riders,
and
that
may
provide
some
additional
data
on
what
that
route
means
yeah
and
how
many
riders
per
router
using
it.
C
C
So
you
know
the
brought
up
that
we're
filled
what
20
000
under
what
we
were
pre-pandemic
on
ridership
and
at
some
point
we
can't
blame
the
pandemic
anymore
to
say
so,
but
we
need
to
figure
out
why
you
know
where?
Where
did
those
Riders
go?
Did
you
know?
Is
there
a
did
their
perceptions
change?
Did
you
know?
Did
they
all
just
work
from
home?
Now
you
know
something
yeah.
Something
happened
to
all
these
people,
because
the
population
didn't
increase,
decrease
the
population,
a.
G
You
can
add,
we
are
in
need
of
doing
a
onboard
survey
as
well
as
a
non-writer
survey,
to
talk
about
utilization
to
look
at
perceptions
of
non-writers
as
well
as
to
do
there's.
There
are
specific
onboard
survey
companies
that
come
in
and
do
really
good
statistical
analysis
on
onboard
on
they
they
come
in,
they
train
folks,
and
then
they
do
onboard
questioning.
G
And
you
get
a
better
feel
of
who
you're
transporting
what
the
demographic
is,
where
they're
going,
what
their
needs
are
and
then
the
on
the
non-writer
survey
gives
you
a
lot
of
information
on
on
perceptions
and
why
they're
not
writing
and
why
you
know
what
it
would
take
for
them
to
ride.
I
mean
so
it's
good
information
that
hasn't
been
updated,
that
we
need
to.
We
need
to
conduct
yeah.
C
Because
you
know,
when
I,
when
I
talk
to
people,
there
is
there's
a
negative
perception
on
Transit
and
and
yeah
I
can
only
sell
people
so
much
on.
You
know
why
I
ride
Transit,
but
it
yeah
and
I'm,
but
I'm
not
gonna,
be
very
good
at
changing
those
perceptions,
there's,
but
then
also
with
those
negative
perceptions.
There's
there's
a
lack
of
marketing.
You
know-
and
this
is
this-
is
going
straight
to
what
bill
is
saying.
C
Perception
and
they're
not
going
to
ride
because
they
don't
feel
safe.
They
don't
see
it
as
convenient.
They
don't
you
know,
there's
any.
You
know
a
number
of
reasons
why
they're
not
using
it
and-
and
they
never
know
you
know,
get
their
substance
changed
then
and
then
my
final
point
on
this
whole
ridership
again
because
Bill
said
well,
we
could
use
printer
bands
and
so
I
guess.
My
question
is
on
on
some
of
these
low
volume
routes,
N5
F2.
D
G
I
mean
yes,
but
you
can
get
cutaways.
Mountain
Mobility
provides
our
Paratransit
service
and
they
do
it
on
on
the
cutaways.
The
light
Transit.
C
You
know
it
is,
and
it
is
just
an
idea.
You
know
if,
if
those,
if
certain
routes
never
have
more
than
x
number
Riders
per
route,
you
know,
maybe
maybe
a
lower
cost
cutaway
could
be
an
option
and
then
take
the
bus
that
would
normally
be
on
that
route
and
you
could
use
it
somewhere
else.
You
know
it's
just
trying
to
reshuffle
the
you
know
the
deck
a
little
bit
to
provide.
C
G
Operational
analysis
and
they
take
a
look
at
it
by
by
run
and
by
block,
and
they
they
do
the
deep
down
dive,
Rob
segment
data
that
can
give
us
some
insight
into
different
Service
delivery
methods
and
provide
us
with
some
additional
information
that
that
staff,
you
know
just
doesn't
have
the
time
or
the
resources
to
analyze
right.
C
Right
I
did
I,
did
one
of
the
electric
bus
companies
just
call
for
bankruptcy,
not
that
we're
buying
electric
buses
because
of
the
size
issue,
but
yeah
Patera,
didn't
they
just
file
so
yeah.
G
They're
restructuring
it
just
came
out
last
week
that
proterra
is
restructuring,
yeah
and
and
we'll
be
monitoring
it.
We've
discussed
it
with
our
legal
department,
we'll
be
monitoring
it.
You
know
we
are.
Some
of
the
buses
are
still
under
warranty.
We've
we've
had
we've
had
issues
with
parts
in
January
we
had
a
bus
down
for
five
months
due
to
a
it
was
a
driver,
motor
I
can't
recall
for
sure,
but
those
are
some
of
the
challenges
that
we've
seen
with
the
proterra
one.
G
A
A
It
I
appreciate
it
I
appreciate
everything
that
y'all
done
the
last
two
months
and
going
all
these
reports
now.
Education
is
invaluable,
just
love
it
and
have
informal
discussion
and
public
comment.
We
don't
have
any
do
we
Nicole.
I
H
A
A
Okay,
I've
mentioned
that
earlier
in
segment,
but
I
can
re
well
I'm,
not
going
over
that
again,
something
that
the
internal
male
look
at
your
email
committee
members
Nicole
sent
out
a
letter
237
this
afternoon
and
staff
like
I
said,
is
holding
this
matter
open
for
consideration
at
a
future
time
and,
like
I
said
all
input
from
public
is
taking
is
not
taking
lightly
and
it
will
be
reviewed
and
all
input
is
valuable.
A
So
thank
everyone
for
coming
next
meeting
Transit
meeting
will
be
October,
17th
and
I'll,
see
everybody
then
October
17th.
Thank.