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From YouTube: Historic Resources Commission – August 9, 2023
Description
Regular meeting of the City of Asheville Historic Resources Commission.
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A
E
B
B
A
A
H
A
Now
begin
the
evidentiary
hearings
for
the
items
listed
on
the
agenda
as
a
quasi-judicial
proceeding,
the
HRC
is
not
setting
policy,
nor
are
we
soliciting
public
opinion
on
the
desirability
of
an
application.
The
HRC
hears
and
considers
evidence
presented
and
applies
to
standards
set
forth
in
the
guidelines
and
standards
of
the
specific
historic
district.
For
that
application,
the
HRC
must
make
its
decision
upon
competent
material
and
substantial
evidence
to
determine
the
facts
of
the
hearing.
The
HRC
will
use
judgment
and
discretion
to
apply
the
standards
contained
in
the
relevant
guidelines
to
the
facts.
A
The
Commissioners
having
voted
for
an
item
will
not
have
a
fixed
opinion,
not
susceptible
to
change.
Have
a
conflict
of
interest
have
engaged
in
ex-party
communication
regarding
the
application.
This
meeting
is
open
to
the
public,
but
participation
is
limited
to
interested
parties
who
wish
to
provide
comment
testimony
regarding
the
proposal.
A
If
you
will
be
speaking
as
a
witness,
please
focus
on
the
facts
and
how
they
relate
to
the
relevant
historical
district
standards
and
guidelines,
not
personal
preference
or
opinion.
Witnesses
must
swear
or
affirm
their
testimony.
At
this
time,
I
will
administer
the
oath
for
all
individuals
intended
to
provide
witness
testimony.
A
B
B
All
right,
thank
you,
chair
Oliva
and
members
of
the
commission.
The
first
item
on
the
agenda
today
for
public
hearing
is
397
Azalea
Road,
which
is
the
Thomas
Wolf
cabin
site,
so
I'm
just
going
to
briefly
go
through
my
report
to
you.
B
This
is
kind
of
a
little
bit
of
a
different
application
for
us,
mostly
we're
looking
at
buildings
and
other
types
of
site
work,
but
for
this
application
involves
a
improving
some
existing
sections
of
single
track,
hiking
or
walking
trail
on
the
property,
as
well
as
constructing
some
sections
of
new
Trail
on
the
property,
so
I
just
included
a
photo
of
the
cabin
in
case
you
have
not
been
there,
which
I'm
sure,
probably
a
lot
of
folks
haven't
I'm
sure
Annie's
been
there
many
times,
but
this
is
a
little
bit
of
a
sad
picture,
but
it
is
in
a
state
of
disrepair,
but
just
to
give
some
context
and
the
parcel
map
is
on
the
bottom
left
and
the
the
cabin
is
sort
of
centered
within
that
parse
that
large
parcel
it's
about
it's
a
little
under
40
acres.
B
So
it's
kind
of
it's
a
beautiful
piece
of
property.
It's
like,
if
you
go
from
Azalea
Road.
It
goes
up
onto
this
like
Knoll
kind
of
Hill
that
you
know
historically
looks
out
onto
across
the
Swannanoa,
unfortunately,
now
I-40,
but
other
than
that,
it's
very
lovely,
lovely
place,
and
so
the
bottom
right
photo
is
just
an
image
of
the
road
that
accesses
from
Azalea
Road
up
to
the
cabin,
which
is
also
almost
in
the
middle
of
the
parcel,
comes
off
the
bottom
of
the
parcel.
B
B
That's
part
of
the
orange
that's
part
of
the
trail
Improvement
on
Azalea
Park,
that's
not
part
of
the
Wolf
cabin
site,
so
we're
just
talking
about
the
pink
sections
right
now,
so
there's
about
1500
linear
feet
of
existing
trail
that
goes
kind
of
grassy
along
one
side
of
the
pond
by
the
dog
park,
and
it
starts
to
curve
up
just
slightly
uphill
a
little
bit
and
then
turns
back
on
itself
and
goes
back
towards
the
access
road
and
the
center
of
the
property
and
so
they'll.
B
Be
then
about
2500,
I,
think
linear
feet
of
new
trail
that
will
connect
across
the
access
road
into
the
property
and
go
down
and
kind
of
wind
around
on
the
other
side
of
it
and
then
connect
down
to
the
road
eventually
and
then
there'll
be
a
new
section
as
well.
That
kind
of
where
it
leaps
back
on
itself.
B
At
least
that
was
my
understanding
when
we
walked
the
site,
but
Lucy
Crown
from
our
transportation
department
is
here,
and
she
can
correct
me
if
I
got
any
of
the
configuration
wrong
kind
of
hard
to
show
on
a
slide.
But
I
just
just
want
to
put
these
two
images
up
together.
So
the
Thomas
wolf
there
was
a
master
planning
process
that
took
place
for
the
cabin
site
that
wrapped
up
right
before
covid
started.
B
The
bottom
left,
if
you
didn't,
have
a
chance
to
look
at
the
master
plan,
that's
in
sort
of
the
back
end
of
the
the
document,
but
it
shows
like
what
they
intended
improved
site
features
will
be
so
you're
kind
of
looking
at,
on
the
left
hand,
side,
little
satellite
cabins
and
other
like
entertainment,
areas,
kind
of
and
then
what's
labeled
as
in
which
I'm
sure
is
impossible
to
see
here.
B
But
if
you
zoom
in
on
the
the
document
and
the
plan
itself,
you
can
see
that
this
site
map
that
was
created
by
Equinox
both
of
these
were
that
you
can
see
where
the
the
existing
section
of
Trail
is
and
where
they
were
intending
for
there
to
be
walking
past
those
walking
paths
to
to
remain
and
obviously
knowing
that
they
would
need
some
improvement
for
for
them
to
be
a
little
more
usable
than
they
are
today.
So
the
top
right
is
the
abl
unpaved
plan
that
Equinox
I
think
completed
for
them.
B
B
I'm,
not
not
any
concerns
I've
felt
like
we
could
have
probably
looked
at
this
administratively,
but
we
felt
like
it
was
important
to
bring
to
the
commission,
since
we
haven't
really
gotten
to
work
on
implementation
of
the
master
plan
at
all,
and
this
is
really
like
kind
of
happenstance
that
AVL
unpaved
and
is
working
with
our
transportation
department
to
make
these
improvements
to
the
site.
The
cabin
is
substantially
uphill
from
the
the
trail,
so
you
don't
even
really
I
think
you
could.
B
B
B
It's
we've.
The
preservation
Society
has
over
the
years
supported
a
lot
of
work
over
there.
There
have
been
Not
only
was
there
a
conditions
assessment
as
part
of
this
plan
for
the
cabin,
but
there
was
a
conditioned
assessment
prior
to
that
I
think
2014,
something
like
that.
2013
2014
somewhere
in
there
that
the
preservation
Society
worked
on
with
the
shippo
back
then,
and
then
there
were
definitely
work
that
the
psabc
has
put
in
lots
of
doubt.
B
I
would
say
lots
of
dollars
to
stabilize
the
cabin
to
keep
it
so
that
it
doesn't
fall
down
to
do
some
remediation
work
to
remove
an
addition
that
was
added
later
I,
think
in
the
50s
or
60s,
and
then
they've
also
worked
with
us
to
monitor
the
cabin
over
the
years.
So
they've
really
been
the
leader
of
the
charge
and
making
sure
that
the
building
doesn't
completely
fall
down,
but
it
is
right
now
in
its
current
state,
it's
not
habitable.
We
really
need
to
that's
like
goal
number
one.
B
If
you
read
the
plan
is
to
find
money
to
rehabilitate
the
cabin,
since
this
whole
reason
why
the
site
is
historic
in
the
first
place.
So
but
again,
this
is
sort
of
more
of
a
happens,
dance
thing,
you
know
it's
not
something
that
the
city
is
intentionally
I,
think
spending
money
on
money
on
instead
of
the
cabin.
If
you
will,
if
that
helps
clarify.
F
B
I,
don't
have
that
figure,
but
I
did
meet
with
our
capital
projects
and
park
staff
out
there
with
Jesse
landlord
who's,
the
psab
ABC
director.
If
you
don't
know
her
to
talk
about
this
and
we
we
talked,
we
kind
of
roughed
out
the
timeline
of
different
projects
out
there,
but
we
haven't
developed
a
full
blend
script
of
work.
We
could
go
back
through
our
records.
I
know
that
the
the
cost
for
the
I
think
they
gave
the
city
a
donation
of
like
7
500
or
something
for
the
remediation
that
involved.
B
Taking
that
addition
off
I
don't
know,
I
can't
remember
how
much
we
contributed
to
that,
because
Stacy
Martin,
my
predecessor,
was
the
person
helping
it's
the
go-between
on
that
and
then
I,
don't
I,
don't
know
how
much
the
previous
conditions
assessment
or
what
their
time
spent
in
terms
of
doing
the
monitoring
and
all
that
is
or
was,
but
I
can
get
with
Jesse
to
to
get
a
better
sense
of
that.
For
you
all.
B
Department
has
not
really
had
their
hands
on
this
at
all,
because
it's
been
under
Parks
umbrella
and
they
Parks
has
used
the
site
as
a
place
to
store
random
stuff
over
the
years,
and
so
this
is
the
first
time
our
capital
projects
department
has
really
been
looped
in
and
so
I
we
didn't,
we
weren't
able
to
go
in
the
cabin
we
were
there
the
other
day,
but
I
did
get
it
email
earlier
today
and
haven't
had
a
chance
to
look
at
some
interior
photos.
B
They
went
back
out
there
today
to
get
a
better
sense
of
how
things
were
going
on
the
interior,
and
he
just
said
that
it
looked
better
than
he
thought
it
did
on
the
interior,
it's
better
than
he
expected,
but
we
we
have
another
meeting
scheduled
already
for
Monday
or
Tuesday
of
next
week
to
talk
about
what
we
need
to
do
to
like
try
to
try
to
stabilize
on
our
end.
B
B
I
Okay,
well
I.
My
name
is
Lucy
crown
and
I'm
the
transportation
planning
manager
in
the
transportation
department.
It's
nice
to
be
here
today,
I
think
Alex
covered
the
project
fairly.
Well,
we
are
working
with
non-profit
Partners
who
formed
an
alliance.
They
call
themselves
Asheville,
unpaved
and
they're
interested
in
raising
the
funds
and
hiring
a
trail
Builder
to
build
these
Trails.
The
trails
will
be
built
to
the
highest
sustainable
standards
that
are
out
there
by
the
trail,
building
industry
and
Equinox.
I
Who
was
the
landscape
architect
on
the
Thomas
Wolf
cabin
project
was
also
working
on
this
Trail
in
our
concept
plans
so,
and
they
work
closely
with
the
trail
Builder
that
we
intend
to
work
with
on
these
projects
so
that
map
from
the
Thomas
Wolfe
plan,
Trail,
M
I
believe
it
is,
is
essentially
the
same
Trail
line
that
we
intend
to
put
in.
There
are
existing
Trails
there.
Now
that
weren't
built
correctly,
so
they
are
causing
some
environmental
damage
just
from
erosion
and
just
not
being
put
into
the
into
the
land
properly.
I
So
the
new
trails
will
be
built
better
for
Less
erosion
and
better
sustainability.
That
will
require
less
maintenance
and
the
Asheville
unpaved
Alliance
agrees
to
maintain
the
trails
for
three
years
before
the
city's
parks
department
will
take
on
the
work
so
other
than
that.
If
you
have
any
other
further
questions,
I
could
probably
do
my
best
to
answer
are.
A
F
I
have
a
motion
Madam
chair,
based
on
the
evidence
presented
to
this
commission,
including
exhibit
a
the
application.
Three
pages
exhibit
B
the
example
photographs
two
pages
Exhibit
C
the
site
plan,
six
pages
exhibit
D
the
Thomas
Wolf
cabin
master
plan,
49
pages
and
the
commission's
actual
inspection
and
review
of
the
subject
property
by
all
members.
F
Anybody
who
didn't
I
move
that
this
commission
approve
the
certificate
of
appropriateness
application
based
on
the
following
that
the
application
is
for
the
maintenance
of
existing
single
Track,
Trail
and
construction
of
new
sections
of
single
Track
Trail
sections
adjacent
to
existing
the
existing
pond
near
the
Southeastern
property
boundary.
All
work
will
be
completed
in
accordance
with
approved
and
attached
drawings
and
plans.
All
permits,
variances
or
approvals,
as
required
by
law,
must
be
obtained
before
work.
F
The
application
does
meet
the
design
standards
for
the
following
reasons:
buildings
and
their
features,
as
well
as
features
of
the
site
that
are
important
in
defining
the
overall
historic
character
of
the
site,
are
being
retained
and
preserved.
The
historic
relationship
between
buildings
and
the
landscape
is
being
retained
and
preserved.
Trail
maintenance
and
construction
will
involve
minimal
disturbance
of
the
terrain
on
the
site.
A
F
H
B
All
right
now,
I'm
gonna
have
to
try
not
to
yell
yeah
try
to
not
yet
okay,
so
this
application
is
for
property
at
134,
Flint
Street.
It's
for
construction
of
some
basement
access
doors
on
the
side
of
elevation,
just
some
context.
For
you
all.
This
is
a
photo
of
the
front
elevation
as
well
as
the
site
map.
As
you
can
see,
it's
on
a
corner,
a
lot,
and
so
it's
on
the
corner
of
Elizabeth,
Street
and
Flint.
B
I
I
just
include
a
kind
of
a
mashup
of
some
of
the
some
of
the
images
that
the
applicant
submitted
as
well
as
some
that
we
had
older
images
that
we
had
on
file
that
were
a
little
more
clear.
So
in
the
top
right
is
obviously
the
area
where
you
can
see
the
arrow,
pointing
to
the
side
of
the
house,
which
is
the
north
elevation
along
Elizabeth
place,
where
the
access
doors
are
being
proposed.
B
Top
left
is
the
site
plan
that
is
not
to
scale
but
nonetheless
helpful
to
show
where
these
are
being
proposed
on
the
side
and
then
the
bottom
center
photograph.
The
the
new
Cellar
Doors
are
proposed
about,
where
the
farther
to
the
left
of
the
that
bank
of
six
windows
so
like
under
probably
if
you're
counting
from
left
to
right
under
the
second
third
window
windows.
B
B
The
driveway
goes
up
to
the
back
of
the
house
and
then
they
recently
built
a
new
accessory
structure
back
there,
so
there's
even
less
room
than
there
was
before
and
after
there
was
really
room
on
the
back
beforehand,
anyways
and
then
the
South
elevation
is
pretty
much
right
on
the
property
line.
So
there's
there's
not
a
place
to
put
them
on
that
side.
Either.
B
I
did
correspond
with
the
applicant
a
bit
about
some
additional
information
that
we
needed,
which
would
be
the
dimensions
of
materials
for
the
basement,
access
doors,
which
I
got
just
a
little
while
ago,
they're
proposing
for
for
The
Pedestrian
door
is
proposed
to
be
at
36
by
80
steel
door,
something
we
need
to
talk
through.
Obviously,
the
standards
call
for
wood
doors,
but
I.
Obviously
the
store
is
never
going
to
be
seen
from
anywhere.
B
The
I.
Don't
have
the
dimensions
for
the
opening
in
the
ground
that
will
be
created
for
this,
but
I
did
get
the
that
it's
approximately
140
cubic
feet
of
Earth
that
will
need
to
be
dug
out,
but
I'm
not
sure
you
know
how
deep
how
what
the
dimensions
of
the
doors
are.
The
slide
that's
up
there
right
now
is
a
side-by-side
comparison
of
the
initial
submittal
door
proposal
for
the
basement.
Access
stores,
which
are
steel,
I,
have
not
ever
reviewed
an
application
for
our
basement
access
door.
B
So
I
just
started
doing
a
little
digging
to
see
like
can
there
can
you
build
a
cut?
Surely
they're,
you
know
historic
basement
access
stores
that
are
made
of
wood?
Can
that
be?
Is
that
an
option?
The
contractor
confirmed
that
it
was
and
submitted
the
image
on
the
right,
just
as
an
example,
so
I
then
had
more
questions
about?
Is
the
can
the
foundation
that's
beneath
the
door,
the
new
Cellar
Doors?
What
is
that
going
to
be
constructed
of?
B
J
B
I
guess
they're
finishing
out
as
a
basement.
Some
of
those
some
of
those
older
houses
have
really
big
what
probably
would
have
been
crawl
space
initially,
but
naturally
people
want
more.
You
know
usable
square
footage,
so
they
may
be
finishing
it
out
for,
for
you
know
more
habitable
space
than
it
has
been
used
historically,
so
the
property
owners
are
here,
though
I
can
let
them
speak
to
that.
B
B
There
yeah
they're,
proposing
like
a
like
a
like
a
standard
size
like
steel
pedestrian
to
where
it's
36
by
80
is
the
spec
that.
F
F
B
K
K
It's
a
dirt
foundation
house
with
a
little
bit
of
stone
and
there's
a
hot
water
heater
and
a
furnace
down
there,
and
it's
not
easily
accessed
as
it
is
so
just
provide
a
little
better
access
and
ability
to
walk
in
instead
of
having
to
lift
this
heavy
door
in
the
hallway
and
it's
kind
of
narrow
and
doesn't
even
have
room
for
a
handrail.
So
it's
just
to
replace
that
sounds.
K
It's
not
finished,
but
it
is
part
of
the
disc
crawl
space
and
part
of
it
is
about
seven
and
a
half
feet
high.
So
it's
a
little
more
than
crawl
space
because
it
is
about
seven
and
a
half
feet
high
for
most
of
it,
but
it's
just
a
very
tiny
part.
It's
just
under
that
little
back
porch
area
that
you
could
see
it
doesn't
really
go
under
the
whole
house
at
all.
There's
just
crawl
space.
F
K
K
F
That
you
had
asked
about
stone
is
that
do
we
I
mean
what
we
are
presented
with?
Is
a
stucco
Foundation
do
do
we
perceive?
Does
anybody
perceive
that
to
be
a
problem.
K
F
Be
ready
for
a
motion
Madam
chair
I'm,
prepared
to
make
a
motion
since
they
are
sitting
before
US,
based
on
the
evidence
presented
to
this
commission,
including
exhibit
a
the
application
endorse.
Specifications
of
10
pages,
exhibit
B
photographs
of
the
subject
property
three
pages
Exhibit
C
the
floor
plan
exhibit
D
additional
photos
of
three
pages:
exhibit
e
custom
wood
basement
door
example,
and
the
commission's
actual
inspection
and
review
of
the
property
by
all
members.
F
Everybody,
okay,
I,
move
that
this
commission
approved
the
certificate
of
appropriateness
application
based
on
the
following
that
the
application
is
to
install
painted
custom
wood
basement
doors
with
painted
stucco
foundation
on
the
North
elevation.
140
cubic
square
feet
will
be
excavated
to
install
new
doors.
The
well
will
be
constructed.
Of
concrete
steps
will
be
constructed
of
pressure,
treated
wood,
the
they
will
construct
a
new
door
opening
and
install
a
36
inch
by
80
inch
steel
pedestrian
door
within
the
foundation
wall.
F
All
work
will
be
in
accordance
with
the
attached
and
approved
drawings
and
plans.
All
permits,
variances
or
approvals
is
required
by
law
must
be
obtained
before
at
work.
Make
the
design
standards
for
windows
and
doors
found
on
pages
84
to
85
of
the
Montfort
historic
design,
guidelines
or
historic
district
design.
Review
standards
adopted
on
April,
14,
2010
and
amended
December
9
2019
were
used
to
evaluate
this
request.
A
A
C
A
B
Right
since
we're
trying
to
move
at
record
Pace
I'll
try
to
keep
this
one
short
and
sweet.
Also
I
think
this
one
on.
If
you
hadn't
looked
at
it
gotten
into
the
Weeds
on
it
ahead
of
time,
it
probably
looks
more
complicated
than
it
is,
but
just
to
give
you
all
a
little
bit
of
context.
This
is
the
front
elevation
of
this
property
at
185,
Pearson
Drive,
the
site
map
up
on
the
right
to
show
you
where
it's
located
in
Montford,
there's
photos
in
here
of
the
right
hand.
B
Side
is
straight
on
of
the
rear,
elevation,
top
left
is
or
left
is
side
elevation,
and
then
this
is
the
other
side
elevation
at
an
angle.
Obviously,
so
you
can
see
the
existing
conditions
in
terms
of
the
the
the
deck
slash
porch.
That's
that's
on
the
back
of
the
house.
Now
I
did
I
think
I
threw
it
in
here.
B
I
took
a
look
at
the
Sanborn
map
today,
just
to
get
my
brain
straight
on
what
the
historic
configuration
this
is
1951,
so
you
can
see
that
there
was
a
two-story
porch
on
the
back
of
the
house,
or
it
was
probably
two
stories
with
a
porch
on
the
Second
Story.
It's
my
assumption
that
was
then
later
filled
in
and
then
there's
a
little
bit
of
addition
happening
on
the
back
too.
That's
it's
kind
of
murky
in
the
in
the
photos.
B
Mostly
what
they're
doing
is
is
taking
off
the
little
bump
out.
That's
that's!
You
can
see
on
the
picture
on
the
right,
there's
like
the,
where
the
main
roof
line
ends
on
the
back
and
then
that
slanted
part
comes
down
and
then
meets
the
roof.
B
That's
coming
out
over
the
the
covered
porch
part
on
the
back
of
the
house,
that's
going
to
be
taken
off
and
then
reconstructed
and
it
will
be
like
new
newly
configured
on
the
interior
and
then
there'll
be
a
porch
that
will
extend
off
the
back
as
you
can
see
in
the
rendering
on
the
bottom
left.
So
the
top
left
is
is
existing
of
that
side.
Elevation
and
the
bottom
is
proposed.
B
So
I
just
kind
of
went,
my
slides
were
just
going
around
the
house,
so
this
is
rear.
Elevation
existing
and
proposed.
So
there's
the
porch
coming
off
some
reconfiguring
of
the
fenestration
there,
where
there's
some
non-original
non-original
windows
and
doors
on
that
rear,
elevation
that
are
being
replaced
with
new,
that
row
of
triple
wood
windows
will
be
new
and
then
there'll
be
a
new
pedestrian
door
to
replace
The,
non-original
Pedestrian
door
and
then
there's
also
an
original
window.
That's
cut!
It's
almost
like
you,
you
could
hardly
see
it
from
the
renderings.
B
You
know
you
have
to
go
through
really
the
floor
plan
to
see
where
it
is
existing
today,
but
there's
an
original
window
that
they're
going
to
take
out
there
to
re
reuse
on
the
side,
elevation
where
you
can
see
that
here
so
you'll
see
where
they're
removing
that
non-original
window.
That's
far
this
back
on
the
first
floor
that
one
will
be
replaced
with
that
original
wood
window.
That's
right!
B
Next
to
the
porch
in
this
elevation
and
then
they're
removing
that
non-original
basement
window
on
the
bottom
left
on
that
side
as
well,
and
then
so
then.
This
is
the
other
side
elevation
just
to
show
you
looking
at
it
from
this
direction.
The
only
real
change
on
this
side
would
be
just
looking
at
that.
B
You
know
the
porch
and
the
deck
as
it
extends
out
as
well
as
there
will
be
the
addition
of
a
window,
a
new
window
there
and
there's
also
I,
think
I
skipped
over
this,
but
there's
a
new
window
going
into
the
Second
Story
on
the
rear
elevation
to
replace
a
non,
a
smaller
non-original
window
on
that
floor
as
well,
and
then
my
last
slide,
which
is
including
the
two
perspectives
together,
because
I
feel
like
this
gives
a
great
zoomed
out
view
of
the
proposal
and
what's
existing,
my
only
concern
that
I
really
relate
to
Robin.
B
We
met
for
the
for
his
pre-application
meeting.
Was
the
horizontal
deck
screening?
That's
something
that
the
commission
hasn't
approved
in
the
past.
We've
always
required,
or
the
commission
has
always
required,
Square
lattice
for
screening.
If
that's
requested
for
decks
I,
you
know
it's
you
know.
Certainly
the
commission
could
make
a
different
determination
today
if
they
wanted
to
it's.
Just
to
me,
it
is
slightly
more
contemporary
in
nature,
certainly
more
than
the
square
lattice.
It
is
on
the
back
of
the
house,
though
so
I
just
haven't,
seen
even
for
new
constructions.
B
Construction
projects,
I
can't
think
of
any
applications
where
the
commission
has
approved
that
type
of
lap
screening
for
underneath
of
decks
or
porches,
and
then
the
other
thing.
I
noted.
That
was
a
small
thing,
but
the
picket
spacing
on
the
deck
railing
is
five
inches
on
Center,
typically
we're
seeing
more
like
four
inches
on
Center
Max,
but
otherwise
it's
fine.
B
And
then
they're
also
asked
for
there's
a
shape
sample
image
in
your
packet
as
well,
but
this
house
has
Shake
on
it
and
that's
just
another
thing
just
to
clarify
that
the
new
section
that's
being
rebuilt
around
the
back
will
be
Sheen's
in
would
Shake
versus
continuing
the
stucco
along
the
back
and
Rob
did
add
something
in
your
in
your
packet.
F
I've
got
one
you
are
concerned
about
the
spacing
on
the
pickets.
Is
that
based
in
is
that,
because
the
design
guidelines
specify
a
distance,
or
is
that
simply
based
on
the
hrc's
precedent?.
B
B
Kind
of
the
standard
mop
for
poor
trailing,
which
we
have
a
detail
of,
but
it's
got
I,
don't
know
what
this
Picket
spacing
is
at
that.
But
it's
super
tight
and
it's
got
the
the
kind
of
the
beveled
top
rail
with
the
the
cap
underneath
this
one.
They
are
doing
the
top
rail
with
the
cap
underneath
so
the
pickets
will
be
enclosed
within
the
they're.
E
F
Standard
deck
design,
yeah
I
I,
noticed
that
that
was
one
of
the
first
things.
I
looked
at
okay
and
and
is
there,
can
you
say
if
there's
a
precedent
for
the
HRC
saying
that
they
have
to
be
the
same.
B
K
B
Don't
I
had
a
bowl
I
don't
have
like,
because
decks
were
not
historic
and
they're.
Obviously,
clearly
not
his.
You
know
they're,
not
historic
elements
that
I
don't
really
have
a
strong
objection.
If
the
commission
is
okay
with
that
Picket
spacing,
that
was
more
so
a
placeholder.
If
you
will
just
you
know,
past
discussion,
so,
okay.
H
D
A
it's
a
code
issue
that
you
can't
build
more
than
Bridges.
D
B
You're
saying
is
five,
then
it
would
be
four
and
a
four
and
a
half
or
four,
if
it's
two
by
two
pickets,
two
by
twos,
I'm
too
tired
to
do
math
this
time
of
day.
D
H
C
D
H
H
J
B
You
look
at
the
standards
for
decks.
They
say
that
support
members
are
forget
exactly
how
it's
what
it
should
be
should
be
screened
with
square
lattice.
Sometimes
people
when
they're
putting
a
deck
up
this
high.
They
don't
want
any
like
you
know,
like
wood
screening
around
it
because
they
want
they
want
to
use
it
like
a
patio
space.
F
I
don't
see
where
it
specifies
wood
lattice
in
the
guideline
or
a
square
lattice
in
the
guidelines,
but
it
does
say
compatible
materials
such
as
lattice
and
I.
Think
Alex.
You
know
what
you
said
where
horizontal
lattice
is
generally
not
traditional,
it's
not
a
traditional
lattice
treatment,
but
either
square
or
Diamond
patterned
lattice
tends
to
be.
You
know
we
tend
to
see
that
in
traditional
applications.
So
I
think
you
know
the
emphasis
on
compatible
or
that
that
statement
of
compatible
is
where
the
the
emphasis
on
Square
lattice
comes
in
yeah.
B
B
Inherited
wow,
as
far
as
president,
but
I
mean
there's.
If
you
all
make
a
different
determination.
That's
okay!
You
obviously
again
I,
don't
I!
Don't
because
it's
on
the
back
I
I!
Don't
really
have
a
strong
feeling
about
it,
but.
L
You
know
if
you
could
bring
that
thing
up.
That
has
the
the
little
highlighted
to
show
where
the
stucco.
L
Hello,
I'm
Rob
Mays,
with
my
wife,
Katie
owned
this
house
and
she
would
be
here,
but
she
had
a
long
planned
trip
and
couldn't
this
is
our
house
that
we
are
trying
to
say
if
we
were
here
a
couple
of
years
ago
for
front
some
modifications
on
the
front,
the
house
had
been
a
Triplex.
There
were
two
front
doors
we
took
that
off
and
we
did
quite
a
bit
of
work
kind
of
landscaping.
Hardscaping.
L
E
L
Touch
the
roof
of
it
or
the
most
of
the
footprint,
but
I
this
picture
is
interesting.
You
would
only
see
the
house
from
this
perspective
from
them:
neighbors
porch,
there's
a
neighboring
house
that
was
built
the
next
year.
That's
also
this
Dutch
colonial
style,
and
it's.
L
E
L
It
now
it's
like
this
big
field
of
white
of
the
Cobblestone,
but
I
mean
I've
stucco,
flat
stucco
and
we're
gonna
try
to
piece
by
piece
remedy
that
and
make
it
a
little
more
attractive
from
the
side,
and
part
of
that
is
when
we
redo
the
the
back
porch
in
closed
back
porch
to
cover
it
with
shakes.
So
that
there's
some
distinguishing
line
of
where
the
porch
starts
and
where
the,
where
the
rest
of
the
house
is
any
questions.
L
L
No
I
don't
think
that
we're
wedded
to
it.
I
do
think
that
it
was
a.
It
was
a
deliberate
choice
because
well
from
my
wife's
perspective,
it's
aesthetic
from
my
perspective,
I
like
that
I
and
well.
L
A
10
feet
from
grade,
so
that's
a
lot
of
square
lattice
and
that
either
has
to
be
built
manually
or
you
buy
it
in
these
pre-made
sheets.
It's
pricey
and
it's
very
difficult
to
paint
because
it's
like
you,
know,
two
dimensions
and
you
waste
all
this
paint
going
through.
So
to
me,
it's
the
part
practical
for
me,
it's
largely
practical
and
for
her
it's
aesthetic,
she's,
not
a
fan
of
lattice
I.
Looked
at
the
guidelines,
I
mean
I.
Don't
disagree
with
your
interpretation.
It
just
says
they.
It
should
be
covered
with
something
such
as
lattice.
L
You
know
we're
not
if
it's
we
would
prefer
visually
the
and
the
horizontal
boards
that
doesn't
seem
incompatible
with
the
guidelines.
But
if
the
commission
has
a
strong
feeling
we'll
do
that,
we'll
do
the
lattice
or.
F
H
L
We've
we've
talked
at
link
and
and
and
knew
that
before
we
own
this
house,
we
own
another
house
in
the
neighborhood
and
and
have
dealt
with
various
lattice
issues.
My
brother
lives
down
the
street,
so
so
we
knew
that
it
and
from
Alex
from
staff's
initial
response
that
that
that
there
was
a
preference
for
lattice.
L
Not
it's
such
a
small
part
of
what
it's,
otherwise,
a
very
large
project
that
you
know
prepared
to
abide
by
the
Judgment
of
the
commission.
J
L
J
F
I
mean
I
think
it's
worth
saying
that
the
you
know
pointing
out
that
the
guidelines
don't
say
that
it's
preferred
they.
The
guidelines,
take
an
imperative
statement,
approach
that
says:
visually
tie
the
deck
to
the
building
and
Screen
the
structural
framing
with
plantings
or
other
compatible
materials
such
as
lattice.
It
doesn't
say
that
it's
a
preferred
or
that
you
should
do
that.
L
Don't
I
don't
disagree
with
that?
The
when
we
bought
the
house
underneath
that
giant
fire
escape
that
allows
me
to
sleep
at
night
with
my
kids
upstairs
there
was
a
shed
sort
of
underneath
it
that
was
clad
in
asphalt,
shingles.
H
L
You
know
the
50s,
and
so
when
it
might
also
be
that
you
know
in
comments
like
when
the
guidelines
were
written,
that's
the
kind
of
thing
that
might
otherwise
have
gone.
You
know
we
might
call
that
incompatible
materials
for
sure,
I.
Think
we're
kind
of
our
standards
are
getting
dialed
in.
You
know,
as
as
standards
change
in
the
neighborhood,
so.
F
I'd
be
interested
to
hear
what
other
board
members
that
other
Commissioners
have
think
about
that
about
the
lattice,
the
use
of
a
horizontal
lattice
that
tends
to
be
more
contemporary
or
that
we
tend
to
associate
more
with
a
modernist,
aesthetic
versus
a
square
lattice
that
we
tend
to
think
of.
As
you
know,
dating
more
to
the
late
19th
or
early
20th
century.
A
L
I'm
sorry,
this
the
idea
is,
you
just
adhere
these
one
by
four
boards
directly
to
the
substructure
so
they're,
each
independent,
whereas
this
prefabricated
Square
lattice,
which
is
really
the
only
thing
that
is
feasible
to
do
now
because
of
the
labor
cost.
Is
you
put
it
up
in
these
four
valued
sheets?
Okay,
okay
and
it's
all,
and
it's
like
stapled
together,
yeah.
L
And
it's
not
I,
don't
think
it's
unattractive,
but
covering
a
10-foot
Deck
with
it
on
three
sides
is
a
lot
of
lattice.
So
as
the
maintenance
man
I
have
concerns
I.
L
I
can't
say
that
they're
anything
you
can
probably
tell
from
the
scale
of
the
drawings
but
I'm,
not
an
architect
and
I,
don't
I
would
think
it
would
be
yeah,
maybe
yeah.
That's
probably
right.
Yeah.
D
L
Yeah,
the
trim
on
the
house
is
painted
dark,
green
I'm
sure
the
lattice
will
be
painted
the
same
by
the
time
you
it
probably
by
the
time
you
get
that
painted
a
dark
color
I'm,
not
sure
that
you'll
know
what
it
is,
but
yeah
I'm.
You
know
we're
not.
L
Yeah,
it's
it's
a
it's
a
relatively
it's
a
relatively
small
thing
for
us,
or
it
might
be
more
small
for
me
than
it
is
for
my
wife.
L
L
It
seems
like
I'm,
not
an
architect
or
artist
or
a
historian,
but
I
know
that
on
some
things,
the
guidelines
and
the
philosophy
is
well
make
it
clear
that
it's
not
old
like
in
the
deck
guidelines.
It
says,
don't
mimic.
What's
on
the
front
porch,
you
know
so
they're
split
in
some
ways
the
guidelines
are
like
don't
cause
Confusion
by
making
things
to
look
too
much
like
old
stuff
and
then
in
other
cases
we
want
things
to
look
like
they're
old
stuff.
So
you.
B
C
L
A
F
D
You
know
there's
something
about
like
if,
if
you
had
like
like
Stone
piers
and
but
then
you
kept
the
the
horizontal
slats,
then
maybe
it
would
give
you
a
little
break
and
also.
F
A
F
You
mean
like,
if
the,
if
the
porch,
if
the,
if
the
posts
supporting
the
deck
were
Stone
veneered
peers,
as
opposed
to
Wood
posts,.
D
D
And
if
there
was
like
something
very
solid,
like
you
know,
on
the
outside
corners,
perhaps.
E
C
Yeah
and
location
on
the
house
and
I
do
agree
that
that
is
a
lot
of
lattice.
H
F
That
might
have
been
Security
check
and
see.
Can
we
include
a
fact
that
relates
to
compatibility,
or
that
has
to
do
with
compatibility
of
horizontal
siding
or
horizontal
lattice
in
this
specific
application?
F
Is
there
a
way
that
we
can
craft
a
fact
that
states
that
the
HRC
has
found
horizontal
lattice
to
be
appropriate
in
this
situation,
due
to
the
location
on
the
building
due
to
the
amount
of
area
to
be
covered
that
basically
states
that
we
find
it
compatible
so
that
the
decision
is
rooted
in
the
guidelines
so
that
future
requests
can
be
possibly
differentiated?
We
can
look
to
this
so
because
we
ended
up.
B
Yeah
I
just
worry
that
we're
gonna
I,
guess
it's
just
because
it's
changing
interpretations
over
time.
You
know
it's
going
to
be
like,
like
the
picket
spacing
you
know,
and
not
only
that,
but
the
complicate
things,
because
we
can
always
bring
things
to
the
commission,
but
we
review
a
lot
of
decks
at
staff
level
because
they're
usually
minor
work
review,
and
so,
if
it's
not
you.
F
I
am
I'm,
leaning
more
toward
the
square
lattice,
because
the
guidelines
specifically
talk
about
compatibility,
compatible
materials,
and
you
know
I
can
point
to
that
I.
You
know
the
the
issue
of
the
spacing
on
the
balusters
to
me
is
less
of
an
issue
because
I
don't
really
see
guidance
in
the
in
design
standards
for
specifying
a
distance.
F
B
B
It
but
like
but
Space
Foundation.
B
Horizontal
I
mean
I
think
to
go
back
on
what
I
just
said.
I
think
we
would
see
this
probably
so
early
that
it
wouldn't
be
tell
applicant
if
they
is
that
you
all
have
approved
it,
but
only
on
occasion,
case
determination
if
it's
compatible
with
that
particular
structure
situation
or
whatever
so
I'm
amazed.
If
you
all
want
to
do
that.