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From YouTube: Reparations Commission – September 18, 2023
Description
Regular meeting of the City of Asheville Community Reparations Commission.
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I
Good
evening,
so
sorry
to
break
it,
because
this
is
part
of
what's
good,
the
sound
of
you
talking
and
exchanging
is
a
good
thing.
That's
a
healthy
sign,
I
apologize
for
needing
to
break
it,
but
U
we're
running
U.
I
Six
minutes
after
we
should
have
started
and
I
do
have
a
couple
of
remarks,
but
I
I'
like
to
call
this
order
this
this
meeting
to
order
for
the
community
reparations
commission
and
before
we
take
roll
call,
I'm
I'm
a
filibuster
just
a
few
seconds
more
because
I
have
to
tell
you
all
something.
I
know:
you're
tired,
I
I
know
you
are
the
empty
seats.
Next
to
you
will
say
that
many
of
you
all
are
occupied
with
other
events
happening
in
your
lives.
I
You've
been
working
on
this
project
longer
than
most
public
projects,
I've
ever
been
involved
in.
You
have
put
more
energy
into
it
and
I
appreciate
you.
I
I
really
do,
and
sometimes
it's
not
clear
on,
even
where
we're
going
with
this.
You
know
you're
tired
and
you
need
direction
sometimes
about
details
of,
what's
going
on
from
day
to
day
from
IFA
to
IFA.
Some
of
you
even
wonder.
I
Probably
how
you
even
got
here,
what
were
you
thinking
about
when
you
signed
up
for
this,
and
others
of
you
are
so
clear
and
honed
in
on
what
you
want
to
get
done
until
you're
frustrated
with
the
pace
we're
taking?
Why
can't
we
go
faster?
What's
wrong
with
the
leadership
yeah?
Sometimes
it's
hot.
Sometimes
it's
cold.
Sometimes
it's
apparent
other
times
it's
night.
I
What's
going
on,
and
so
my
my
my
my
my
point
to
you
is
that
I
don't
mean
to
emphasize
for
those
of
you
not
of
the
judeo-christian
tradition,
Islamic
tradition,
but
y
all
I,
basically,
Des
just
describe
to
you
the
children
of
Israel
as
you
left
Egypt,
they
were
confused
about
where
they
were
going.
They
were
exhausted,
they
questioned
leadership,
but
there
are
lessons
to
be
learned
as
we
go
to
the
promised
land.
There
are
lessons
to
be
learned
as
we
go
to
the
promised
land
and
the
lesson
I
wanted
to
say
to
you.
I
This
is
what
I
wanted
to
say
to.
You
is
that
of
the
black
organizations
that
I
have
dealt
with,
including
the
ones
on
the
motherland,
Nigeria
Malawi
South
Africa,
Egypt,
Zimbabwe
Ethiopia
I've,
been
there
done
that
right.
I
want
you
to
understand
that,
just
as
the
children
were
leaving,
they
understood
what
they
were
leaving.
They
understood
the
problem.
You
got
to
get
away
from
the
slavery.
They
may
not
understood
exactly
where
they're
going,
but
as
they
traveled
they
became
their
own
worst
enemies.
They
became
their
own
worst
enemies.
I
I
saw
it
in
Africa,
I've
seen
it
with
other
organizations
here
in
the
in
the
states.
It's
because
sometimes
you're,
tired,
sometimes
you're,
distracted,
sometimes
you're,
put
aart
all
I'm
suggesting
to
you
is
that
when
you're
tired
help
each
other
when
you're
distracted,
you
know
give
me
give
me
benefit
of
a
doubt.
I
Let's
refocus,
because
that
eyes
on
the
prizes
for
real
y'all
I
haven't
been
here
with
you
like
I
should
because
I've
been
talking
to
people
across
the
country
right
other
people,
I'm,
sorry,
I,
almost
called
you
off
by
name
the
the
people
around
this
table
have
been
talking
to
other
reparations
commissions.
Don't
be
ashamed
of
the
progress
we
have
made
here
you,
you
should
be
very
proud
of.
We
haven't
gotten
it
even
even
this
far,
but
we
have
a
long
way
to
go.
We
have
a
long
way
to
go.
I
feel
about
good
enough.
G
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G
Norma
Bain
here
rata
Conor,
here
Christopher
Gordon.
L
C
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C
I
Good
to
see
you
all,
it's
good
to
see
you
and
to
the
audience,
welcome
there'll,
be
a
public
comment
time
at
the
end,
I
appreciate
your
attendance
and
your
attention.
I
really
do
for
our
virtual
audience.
We
will
try
to
speak
as
loudly
as
we
can
for
you
to
participate
as
much
as
you
can.
I
I
have
one
action
item
the
agenda
approval
the
discussion.
Come
may
I
call
a
question
on
the
approval
of
the
agenda.
I
I
Second,
I'm
sorry
who's.
Second,
second,
thank
you.
Thank
you
discussion.
All
those
in
favor,
please
say
I
I
oppos!
Thank
you.
All
right
next
item
is
to
review
the
August
21
post
meeting
survey.
G
Yeah
the
minutes
are
in
your
packet
right
behind
the
agenda
and
I
know
that
there
were
some
additional
items
submitted
for
the
minutes
that
from
the
Legacy
neighborhood
presentations
last
week,
so
those
are
going
to
be
updated
and
then
the
review
item
quickly.
I,
don't
you
know
I,
don't
want
to
spend
too
much
time
on
this,
but
I
do
want
to
just
thank
y'all
for
participating
in
the
survey.
It's
also
in
your
agenda
packet.
We
had
12
responses.
G
The
question:
did
you
have
an
opportunity
to
express
your
ideas,
thoughts
and
opinions
at
the
August
21st
meeting
we
had
12
people
respond,
yes
and
two
people
respond.
No
the
question.
Please
write
your
overall
assessment
of
the
August
21st
meeting.
Most
people
responded
very
satisfied
or
moderately
satisfied,
but
we
also
had
a
couple
of
people
who
responded
neither
satisfied
nor
dissatisfied
and
then
I
think
one
person
who
responded
very
dissatisfied.
The
next
question
was:
what
did
you
like
most
about
the
August
21st
meeting?
G
A
lot
of
people
responded
that
they
appreciated
the
Legacy
neighborhood
presentations
and
liked
the
vice
chair,
leading
the
meeting
and
the
discussion
and
being
being
able
to
hear
the
honesty
shared
by
the
commission
members.
On
the
other
hand,
the
question
what
needed
Improvement
during
the
August
21st
meeting
and
what
are
your
suggestions
for
improvement?
Some
of
the
comments
that
I
see
most
really
are
related
to
time
management
of
the
agenda,
making
sure
that
topics
can
be
covered
more
time.
G
A
comment
about
wanting
to
see
the
commission
members
leading
and
steering
the
efforts
the
better
off
will
be
in
the
long
run.
There
was
some
dis
disappointment
expressed
about
comments
that
were
not
on
the
agenda
and
items
that
were
not
on
the
agenda,
so
I
want
yall
to
know
that
we
are
reading
these
survey
comments
and
taking
your
thoughts
and
ideas
into
consideration
and
and
trying
to
make
those
improvements.
The
last
question
is
share
any
suggestions
for
agenda
topics.
G
You
would
like
to
be
considered
for
future
meetings:
more
information
from
the
community,
the
audit,
extending
the
commission,
accountability,
sustainability
and
and
Community
engagement,
third
party
fundraising
so
yeah.
We
have
various
items
that
were
brought
up
for
future
agenda
topics
and
all
of
that
is
included
in
your.
I
Packet,
thank
you.
Thank
you.
E
under
business
items
for
the
evening
proposed
meeting
format
changes.
One
of
the
things
that
has
been
proposed
is
that
I'm
sorry.
E
In
the
minutes,
yes,
can
we
change
Mr
Ray
Harris
to
Mr
Roy
Harris.
E
No
that's
in
the
HCA
Housing
Authority
group
that
they
made
got
it.
Thank.
E
Then
in
the
in
the
round
table
discussion,
can
we
change
the
priest
manager
to
the
project
manager.
O
D
I
Okay,
thank
you,
changes
of
notice,
changes
of
notice
and
is
there
a
motion
to
approve
the.
I
Second,
thank
you.
Thank
you
further
discussion.
Not
may
we
call
a
question
on
approval
of
the
minutes,
all
those
in
favor
of
approving
the
minutes
as
corrected.
Please
say:
I
I
opposed
thank.
I
You
format
changes
to
consider
to
the
meeting.
G
D
D
I
I'd
like
to
raise
the
issue
of
ending
live
stream,
we're
a
publicly
funded
entity
and
if
city
council
is
live
stream,
except
for
two
occasions
that
is
in
the
incidence
of
a
Personnel
issue,
Andor
a
real
estate
issue,
and
since
we
have
no
formal
entity
owered
to
do
either.
This
is
in
the
public
interest
and
a
lot
of
our
people
are
at
home
or
streaming
it,
and
because
of
the
public
purpose.
This
is
deleterious
to
the
to
the
notion
of
public
input
and
the
Democratic
process.
So
I
would
recommend
removing
that
I.
D
P
I
One
of
the
comments
was
that
the
proposal
was
for
the
second
half
of
the
meeting
to
be
divided
into
the
ifas,
so
the
ifas
can
begin
talking
to
each
other
and
have
more
time
as
a
working
session
for
the
meeting
the
technology
to
live
stream
working
session
was
I.
I
didn't
know
how
to
do
that.
So
if
we
go
into
live,
if
we
go
into
working
sessions,
if
this
change
in
our
meeting
format,
the
last
half
of
our
meeting
format
is
approved.
I
If
you,
the
the
idea
of
live
streaming,
becomes
very
difficult
and
to
be
very
upfront
with
you,
I
was
probably
more
adamant
about
the
continuation
of
our
live
streaming.
I
get
too
many
comments
from
public
people
who
tune
in
or
to
the
recordings
and
such.
G
I
will
also
add
There's
an
opportunity
to
do
both
to
to
restructure
the
meeting
such
that
you
do
all
of
the
business
items
with
the
live
stream.
In
the
view
of
the
public.
It's
it's
a
public
meeting
and
public
are
still
invited
to
attend,
but
then
for
the
breakout
groups.
That
would
be
a
separate
part
of
the
meeting.
That's
then
not
each
group
is
not
then
recorded,
but
the
minutes
are
still
being
recorded
for
each
group
and
then
there
will
be
a
a
portion
where
you
report
out.
D
Came?
How
is
this
question
Mr
chairman?
How
does
this,
what
is
the
purpose
of
the
IFA
workg
group
meetings?
If
we're
not
doing
the
work
in
those
meetings,
and
then
it
is
relegated
to
be
brought
here
in
such
a
large,
diverse
group.
I
The
idea
was
that
we're
at
a
point
in
our
consideration
of
coordinating
the
efforts
of
the
ifas
and
in
doing
so,
we
reduce
redundancy
and
maybe
even
begin
on
the
road
of
prioritization
of
what
we're.
What
we're
talking
about
here.
B
I
So
this
was
the
set
meeting.
The
other
thing
was
that
I
I
think
I
I.
Remember
correctly,
the
surveys
were
indicative
of
the
of
these
meetings
becoming
more
useful
sessions
for
us
to
get
together
and
and
cross-pollinate,
so
to
speak.
I.
G
G
I
That's
going
to
be
a
really
good
question:
I
maxing,
my
voice
as
it
is.
The
idea
was
that
what
we
would
do
is
begin
to
coordinate
the
difficult
task
of
arranging
the
relationships
between
your
IFA
recommendations.
D
Follow
up
and
I'll
cease
Beyond
this
a
lot
of
the
work
that
we've
done
in
those
ifas
not
hit
the
light
of
day
in
this
General
Session,
and
for
somebody
for
a
lot
of
us
who
don't
miss
meetings
and
we
put
a
lot
of
work
into
it.
It
is
downright
disrespectful,
as
well
as
the
community
groups
who
had
these
plans
on
the
table
for
years
and
years,
and
we've
bothered
to
put
together
programs
and
budgets
to
fund
those
Community
groups,
the
Legacy
neighborhood.
D
So
I
am
just
wondering
when
those
recommendations
that
affect
these
communities
groups
will
be
honored.
We
have
business
incubators,
we
have
planning
planning
money,
planning
sessions
for
them,
I'm,
just
I,
guess
a
slight
bit
confused
the
work
that
we've
already
done
had
nothing's
been
done
with
it,
so
that
that's
my
input,
I'll
cease.
No,
no!
You
have
to
cease.
O
Please
this
is
Tiffany,
so
this
is
a
proposal
that
means
that
it
has
to
come
to
a
vote.
Is
that
correct.
O
Oh
consideration
and
this
proposal,
or
this
proposed
meeting
changes
has
this
is
from
the
city
county.
The
chair
of
the
commission
like
where
did
this
come
from?
If.
I
It
was
recommended
by
the
by
the
facilitators
the
civility.
I
M
D
Q
Sure
it's
okay!
If
I
may
hi
everyone,
it's
good
to
see
you
again
sitting
in
on
a
meeting
to
prepare
for
this
discussion
around
defining
reparations.
What
we
talked
about,
I
well,
I
was
brought
back
in.
So
thank
you
for
having
me
back
again.
I
appreciate
that,
but
it
was
just
because
of
the
impact
of
the
retreat
and
how
everyone
lit
up
being
able
to
have
conversations
with
each
other
cross
across
the
IFA
groups
and
hearing
that
these
meetings
wanted.
Q
You
wanted
them
to
be
a
little
bit
more
productive
and
move
forward.
It
was
just
the
idea
of
how
the
retreat
was
modeled
and
to
see
if
that
would
be
an
opportunity
to
duplicate
that
model
here,
but
just
within
an
hour
without,
while
still
honoring,
all
the
business
needs.
So
that's
where
the
idea
really
stemmed
from
because
of
the
success
of
the
retreat-
and
it
was
not
their
idea-
it
was
mine,
so
just
want
make
that
clear.
That's
where
it
came
from.
O
O
R
O
E
I
E
Q
E
R
That
sounds
like
the
Republican
Party
putting
in
rules
to
make
it
harder
for
people
to
register
and
vote,
so
it
may
be
on
YouTube
I
understand
that
I
get
that,
but
everybody
may
not
want
to
go
on
the
YouTube
to
look
to
see
what
we're
doing.
There
is
no
reason
for
us
to
make
it
more
difficult
for
people
to
have
access
to
what
we're
doing,
and
it
makes
me
wonder
what's
really
going
on
if
you
feel
like
that's
necessary,
we
should
we
come
up
with
a
different
format.
E
Okay,
so
this
brings
us
back
to.
We
have
been
now
on
this
same
topic
for
a
quite
a
bit
of
time.
So
this
is
why,
when
we
talk
about
time
in
meetings
and
time
management
and
I'm
real
close
on
talking
about
time,
management
I
understand
the
concerns
that
everyone
has.
But
if
everybody
still
has
access
to
what
we're
doing
I
don't
have
an
issue
with
doing
what
you
have
in
your
format,
but
I
do
have
issue.
If
people
cannot
ever
see
what
we're
doing
in
meetings,
that
I
would
have
issues
with.
A
T
End
without
taking
too
much
time
on
this,
though
it
seems
like
we're
at
two
different
standpoints:
it's
a
it's
a
viewing
for
our
public,
but
then
there's
also
in
my
standpoint
of
is
breakout
groups
best
recommended
for
this
time
period.
So,
regardless
of
taking
over
taking
too
much
time
on
this
I
think
we
do
need
to
have
a
discussion
on
both
of
those,
but,
more
importantly,
I
think
that
we're
at
a
St
we're
at
a
point
in
where
we
are
now
is
I.
T
Think
education,
wise,
is
that
there's
no
more
breakouts
I
think
we
need
to
have
a
full
body
discussion
within
our
group
about
the
recommendations
and
how
we
can
put
them
in
the
place.
So
I
think
we
have
two
different
things
that
we're
kind
of
need
to
discuss
about
the
public
viewing,
but
then
also
if
this
recommendation
is
even
needed
for
our
actual
meeting.
O
Talks
can
a
point
of
clarity
just
to
Miss
Harrison's
point
a
says
in
the
live
stream
of
the
meetings.
Does
that
not
mean
that
people
wouldn't
even
have
access
to
YouTube
like
they
wouldn't
even
be
able
to
see
it
if
we
if
the
live
stream
enables
them
to
look
at
it
later,
am
I
correct?
So
if,
according
to
a
this
proposal,
is
to
end
that
that
mean
mean
people
would
not
have
access
later?
Is
that
correct?
Okay?
Thank
you.
S
Can
I
do
a
point
of
clarification
that
has
not
been
updated
since
our
last
discussion,
like
we
said
we
would
do
a
business
portion
of
the
meeting
first
hour
that
would
be
recorded.
It
would
also
be
public
comment
and
minutes
and
then
for
that
last
45
minutes
to
an
hour.
You
would
just
break
out
in
your
groups
or
cross
groups
to
do
some
work
so
that
you
have
another
additional
time
to
the
month
to
get
some
work
done.
I
I
Umand
you're
suggesting
that
that
entire
format
be
questioned
of
breaking
out
to
work
rooms,
so
right
am
I
wrong
in
assuming
that
this
can
go
back
into
the
work
session
of
the
facilitat
the
staff
and
to
bring
forth
the
different
proposals
can
I
ask
please
please
please.
Q
So,
just
to
be
clear,
we
are
not
you
you,
you
all,
don't
feel
that
you
need
working
groups
broken
out,
but
more
of
the
collaboration
as
a
team
to
discuss
what
you
have
been
discussing
in
your
workout
groups.
Well,
I.
D
Point
of
clarification
also,
until
recently
our
IFA
work
groups
hadn't,
had
ample
opportunity
to
even
present
at
some
times
that
had
been
relegated
to
end
of
meeting
and
basically
we
were
had
a
host
of
speakers
on
various
topics,
some
of
them,
of
course,
very
positive
Etc.
But
those
IFA
recommendations
are
something
that
had
not
been
really
adequately
reported
out
to
this
body
as
they
are
now
so
I
guess
I'm
just
confused
about
the
urgency
of
all
of
this.
D
If
you
will
and
I
also
am
questioning
the
effectiveness
of
the
IFA
work
groups,
if
they're
not
functioning
properly,
then
perhaps
we
need
to
have
a
very
constructive
and
realistic
discussion
about
why
they
are
not
I.
Think
we
need
to
be
crystal
clear
and
on
on
every
subject.
We
don't
have
time
to
procrastinate
and
save
people's
hurt
feelings
if
the
data
shows
or
if,
if
lived
experience,
shows
that
we're
not
performing
well
in
those
IFA
working
groups,
then
they
need
to
be
dealt
with,
and
that
would
be
up
to
this
esteemed
team.
D
That's
been
hired
to
do
that
and
if
some
of
us
who
know
how
to
do
it,
need
to
have
input,
then
so
be
it.
What
whatever
gets
the
job
done,
but
you
people
are
voting
with
their
feet:
they're
not
showing
up
and
and
and
that's
alarming
for
me
and
and
the
public
is
losing
interest
and
I
believe
our
credibility
is
at
state
with
our
elected
bodies
and
officials
too.
D
Cuz
I
would
certainly
be
questioning
all
of
the
prot
raction
as
far
as
time
methodology
why
the
IFA
work
groups
are
being
don't
seem
to
be
effective
and
we've
got
neighborhood
associations
who
are
just
stalled,
who
have
had
plans
for
years
and
and
I'm
going
to
cease
with
that
and
because,
hopefully,
we'll
have
an
opportunity
to
get
in
more
specifics
of
it.
C
Yeah
I
do
not
see
an
issue
with
the
format
as
it
stands
with
the
IFA
groups,
presenting
at
every
meeting
and
establishing
discussions
that
have
already
been
happening.
I,
don't
see
a
reason
to
change
the
format.
R
I
That's
I
appreciate
it
I
appreciate
it
and
I
say.
Let
me
say
one
more
time
as
we
wrap
this
up.
Is
that
I'm
more
concerned
about
the
ideas
that
are
coming
forward
from
the
ifas
being
coordinated
in
a
way
that
presents
our
priorities
before
the
elected
bodies?
It
it's
I,
don't
I,
I
am
I,
am
resistant
to
the
idea
of
silos
coming
forward
from
the
commission.
I
would
prefer
a
unified
voice
coming
from
the
commission
using
the
expertise
of
the
IFA,
keep
get
close
to
S.
Please.
P
Yeah
I
would
just
say,
I
think
it's
it's
healthy
to
have
those
Collective
conversations
for
everybody
to
digest
the
information.
That's
coming
from
the
ifas
I
think
it's
it's!
It's
a
good
idea
to
have
that
at
this
body
you
know
as
a
collective
to
be
able
to
really
understand
what
process
a
certain
IFA
is
putting
forward
as
a
recommendation.
So
we
can
be
unified
on
that
or
at
least
majority
really
understand.
What's
going
on
so
once
that's
presented
so
I
think
Sandu
had
had
a.
U
P
Put
those
ideas
in
the
group
you
know
continue
to
have
the
ifas
presenter,
whatever
they're
going
to
do
but
be
able
to
Round
Table
discussion.
What
this
information
looks
like
how
it's
going
to
be
put
forward
and
that
way
we
have
a
better
understanding,
as
well
as
the
people.
That's
taking
a
look
at
this
to
know
like
how
we
really
feel
and
how
these
things
and
how
these
projects
are
going
to
work.
I
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
Let's
go
to
under
old
business
talk
about
the
definition
and
discussion
of
reparations.
Please.
Q
Okay,
so
again,
for
those
who
don't
know
me,
my
name
is
visha.
Crawford
I
was
the
facilitator
for
the
Retreat,
and
so
I
was
asked
to
come
back
to
kind
of
help,
lead
the
conversation
around
defining
reparations,
and
so
the
first
thing
to
kind
of
think
about
is
there's
a
really
great
book
that
says
start
with
why?
Why
is
it
important
for
us
to
really
Define
it?
What
does
it
help
us
achieve?
Q
Why
is
it
so
important
for
us
to
have
a
definition
of
reparation,
so
I'm
going
to
be
asking
you
all
questions
and
I
just
want
you
to
shout
out
your
answer,
I'm
going
to
be
taking
notes,
so
just
like
I
did
in
the
retreat
and
then
my
job
is
to
really
bring
this
together
and
then
present
something
a
little
bit
more
finalized
or
in
a
way
that
we
can
all
communicate
towards
the
end.
So
if
we
can
just
begin
to
to
just
think
about,
why
is
it?
Q
What
is
the
purpose
of
defining
reparations?
Why
is
it
so
important?
Why
is
this
something
that
we
have
have
struggled
with?
Why
do
we
want
to
achieve
this
or
accomplish
this?
So
for
anyone
who
has
thoughts,
if
you
just
shout
out
your
response
to
that
question,
I'll,
take
notes
and
then
I'll
move
forward
with
the
next.
T
Question
cohesiveness
like
I,
feel
like
we're.
Not
if
you
ask
everybody
around
here,
what
how
do
you
define
reparations
I
feel
like
not
saying
you're
going
to
get
all
different
answers,
but
I
feel
like
they're,
going
to
be
worldly
apart
and
I
feel
like
we
need
to
be
more
cohesive
if
we're
trying
to
accomplish
one
Central
goal
within
our
ifas
and
so
I
think
it's
essential.
We
understand
if
the
work
that
we
are
doing
is
actually
reparations,
or
is
it
more
Community
type
things
that
we
can
accomplish,
even
if
we
were
not
here.
Thank.
K
Okay,
because
we
want
to
get
it
right,
we
want
to
get
it
As,
afri
Americans.
We
have
been
through
so
much
over
over
hundreds
of
years.
You
know,
so
we
want
to
Define
all
the
things
that
we
went
through.
Our
ancestors
went
through
and
see
what
reparations
can
do
to
help
us
to
get
the
things
that
we're
entitled
to
really.
We
did
a
lot
in
in
America.
K
R
You,
okay,
I'm
sorry
I,
have
said
this
from
the
very
beginning,
without
defining
what
reparations
means
to
this
committee
for
me
means
that
we
don't
have
a
Target.
We
don't
have
a
bull's
eye.
R
I
I
want
to
know
not
what
reparations
means
to
me
as
an
individual
I
know
what
it
means
to
me,
but
as
a
committee
I
would
like
for
us
to
speak
with
one
voice
and
as
a
committee
we
can
come
up
with
a
term
that
represents
what
reparations
means
to
this
committee
and
then
I
think
we'd
have
a
better
opportunity
to
then
go
out
and
talk
about
that
in
the
community.
R
D
Thank
you
yes,
and
thank
you.
We
we
asked
for
this
conversation
when
we
we
began
this
reparations
process.
It
is
important
to
know
what
real
reparations
is.
Real
reparations
is
a
national
effort,
a
lot
of
people
don't
know
that,
and
sometimes
when
you
give
a
thing
a
name
and
you
misname
it
people
misunderstood
understand
what
the
capabilities
are
and
the
expectations
the
city
of
Asheville
does
not
have
an
adequate
budget
to
provide
reparations
to
African-Americans
and
all
of
the
harms
that
it's
done,
that's
what's
real.
Those
are
dollars.
D
You're
talking
about
the
other
part
is
reparations,
is
a
term
that
refers
back
to
the
federal
government.
A
lot
of
this
has
to
do
with
theatrics
and
folks.
You
know
dra
attention
and
so
forth.
Evon
is
a
Housing
Voucher
Program,
it's
not
real
reparations.
This
is
community
reinvestment
to
address
some
of
the
systemic
racial
harms
that
have
been
done
to
African-Americans.
You
got
the
14th
Amendment
and
the
you've
got
that
amendment
that
that
that
really
speaks
against
reverse
discrimination.
D
In
our
behalf
and
that's
where
I
guess
I'm
just
more
into
realism,
it
is
this
is
community
reinvestment.
This
is
not
real
reparations.
V
I
think
that
the
definition
has
to
be
put
forth
so
that
there
will
be
better
Community
Clarity,
as
Dia
said,
and
others
in
the
room.
The
Community
has
no
idea,
and
so
again
the
cohesion
and
speaking
as
one
voice
and
having
a
goal,
we
don't
have
a
goal.
What
what
is
the
goal,
and
until
we
have
that
definition,
we
won't
know
what
the
goal
is.
O
Okay
reparations
well,
the
def,
defining
reparations
is
also
crucial
because
it
differentiates
what
Asheville
is
actually
doing
based
around
the
world.
We
don't
want
people
to
have
the
false
narrative
that,
because
in
San
Francisco
they're
allotting
dollars
that
that's
what
that's,
what
the
expectation
is
for
Asheville
and
similar
to
what
Miss
Williams
mentioned
as
far
as
hr40
we're,
not
even
on
that
Federal
level.
So
when
we
Define
it,
it's
going
to
be
uniquely
tailored
to
the
needs
of
Asheville
bunkham.
Q
County
all
right
any
other
comments.
This
is
really
good,
so
I
am
going
to
read
this
all
back
out
to
you
to
ensure
that
I
captured
it
correctly.
So
the
purpose
of
us
defining
reparations.
The
reason
why
it's
important
is
to
number
one
to
determine
a
goal:
align
this
commission
as
one
voice
and
to
make
sure
that
our
definition
is
unique
to
Asheville.
Q
It's
also
to
improve
cohesiveness
and
essentially
establish
a
North
star
and
also
ma'am
over
here,
also
said,
because
we
want
to
get
it
right
right
to
honor
all
the
things
that
black
people
have
been
through
in
this
country.
We
want
to
get
it
right
and
make
sure
that
we
get
what
we
are
entitled
to.
We
also
said
to
enhance
the
chances
and
equalize
the
chances
and
opportunities
of
black
Americans,
as
well
as
to
help
increase.
Community
awareness
and
engagement
is.
Was
there
anything
missed.
L
A
Q
So
we
also
want
to
minimize
risk
and
destigmatize
the
myth
got
it
okay.
So
this
is
great.
Oh
yes,
yes,.
P
Q
C
P
P
G
Q
Faqs,
okay,
so
thank
you
for
that.
What
I
want
to
do
now
now
that
we
are
all
clear
on
why
this
is
important
for
us
to
do.
I
want
us
to
keep
that
in
the
front
of
our
mind
again,
keep
the!
Why
in
mind,
we
can't
move
forward
in
the
way
that
we
want
to
move
forward
until
we
Define
this
and
so
I
know
that
we
are.
We
all
will
have
a
different
insights.
My
job
again
is
to
capture
them
all
accurately,
as
best
as
I
can
and
then
present
them
back
to
you.
Q
Does
this
sound
good
to
everybody?
Okay,
so
with
that
said,
if
you
take
a
look
in
page
13
on
page
13,
our
education,
I
am
fake
group
had
done
some
research
and
what
I
want
you
to
do
is
look
through
some
of
these
definitions
of
reparations
and
how
other
people
across
the
state
and
across
the
country
excuse
me,
has
defined
reparations
and
I
simply
want
you.
Take
3
minutes
I
want
you
to
Circle
words
that
you
like
right
Circle.
Q
G
G
A
A
A
A
Q
G
R
R
Q
Q
All
right,
so
it
looks
like
folks,
are
kind
of
coming
to
an
end.
If
you
can
just
again
share
out
what
did
you
Circle,
what
did
you
align
with
what
stood
out?
What
did
you
like
from
what
was
written
from
these
National
type
of.
D
Okay,
so
I
kind
of
went
with
Sandy
darity
as
y'all
know.
Sandy
darity
is
a
homeboy.
A
lot
of
y'all
don't
know
that,
but
he
is
probably
the
the
most
revered
National
expert
on
reparations,
and
he
told
us
as
y'all
know
when
we
first
started
his
belief
that
it
should
not
be
a
n.
We
should
not
conflate
or
confuse
the
issue.
Confusion
is
powerful.
It.
It
deters
your
purpose
as
well.
D
You
need
to
be
honest
about
everything
you
do
if
you
can
not
cheat
theatrics,
but
do
the
work,
the
other
things
where
projects
should
amplify
the
voice
of
the
Community.
That's
what
we've
been
missing
a
lot
of
that
Community
input.
We
do
have
Community
groups
and
neighborhoods
around
this
table
that
I
value
highly
value
and
I
value
their
credibility
and
belief
in
this
system.
D
So
that's
why
I'm
kind
of
adamant
about
putting
plans
that
enable
them
out,
along
with
the
money
that
they
need
and
also
reparations,
should
have
Community
Based
accountability
at
the
center
of
the
work.
In
other
words,
it's
not
about
the
meetings
before
the
meetings
that
we
have
to
put
forth
an
agenda.
D
It
is
being
completely
crystal
clear
about
everything
we
do
with
the
community
Senate
as
the
focus
of
everything
not
what
we
can
individually
get
out
of
it
or
power
or
whatever,
but
the
community
itself,
people
who
are
really
looking
and
who
will
benefit
from
this
and
who've
been
injured
and
are
injured
now.
The
other
thing
is,
the
purpose
of
reparations
is
to
stop
the
leak.
We
cannot
turn
these
issues.
Specifically.
We've
recommended
that
the
city
and
county
governments
handle
our
budget
I
have
never
seen
such
a
a
drift
back
to
paternalism.
In
my
entire
life.
D
What
were
you
thinking?
That's
all
I
can
say
there
are
some
of
us
who
have
this
skill
and
we're
put
here
to
run
Financial
performers
and
we
know
how
to
do
it.
Everybody
has
a
talent
that
has
to
be
that's
some
of
some
of
us
who
are
here.
We
do
have
those
talents
but
to
just
assign
that
back
to
city
and
county
staff.
That's
ridiculous!
I,
never
heard
of
such
pardon
me
for
my
for
my
cander,
but
I,
usually
am
that's
really
about
it.
D
The
soul,
funding
thing,
I,
I,
believe
in
spreading
that
out
and
getting
foundations
and
so
forth
in
and
private
money,
I
believe
in
controlling
all
the
funds
you're
talking
about
another
entity,
you
can
set
up
a
sub
a
sub
C
Corp
or
a
sub
non
profit
up
under
that
to
handle
that
private
money,
if
you
want
to
there,
are
ways
to
do
that
and
I'll
ceas.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
V
I
agreed
a
lot
with
Miss
Williams,
the
first
one,
most
definitely
a
national
issue.
Local
projects
should
not
call
their
work.
Reparations
I
mean
right
on
Down,
the
Line
reparations
projects
have
to
center
community
healing,
or
they
will
not
fully
redress.
The
harm
projects
should
amplify
The
Voice.
The
community
reparations
should
have
Community,
Based
accountability
and
then
down
under
cam
Howard.
The
purpose
of
reparations
is
stop
the
leak
I
agree
with
that
local
reparations
projects
prepare
municipalities
for
federal
reparations
when
they
come.
V
So
that's
to
me,
that's
very
important
because
we
already
know
that
is
not
reparations,
that
we're
doing
and
I
agree
with
the
fact
that
we
should
read
name
it
something
else,
but
in
the
event
that
reparation
should
come,
we
need
to
be.
P
A
Q
All
right,
so,
if
I
heard
you
all
correctly,
this
is
what
you
all
are
saying
for
Asheville
reparations
is
not
is
excuse,
me
is
a
national
issue,
and
for
and
Asheville
should
not
call
this
project
reparations.
However,
our
work
must
center
community
healing.
It
must
amplify.
The
voice
of
community
have
community-
based
accountability
of
the
work,
as
well
as
not
have
funds
managed
by
the
federal
government
or
federal
government
stat
staff
and
be
handled
privately.
In
order
to
stop
the
leak.
E
Q
W
O
Well,
I
just
want
to
make
mention
also
under
what
Cam
said,
is
to
make
sure
that
we
direct
where
the
resources.
Q
Q
I
want
y'all
to
look
at
page
11.
This
is
under
frequently
asked
questions.
I
want
y'all
to
read
the
first
two
bullet
points,
so
Miss
Williams
and
others
have
mentioned
some
things
right,
so
we
have
been
given
federal
dollars
by
by
Federal
entity
that
comes
with
limitations.
That
does
come
with
guidelines
that
we
must
follow
right.
So
these
are
two
bullet
points
that
I
just
want
to
bring
attention
to.
Q
Andq,
the
very
first
bullet
point
I
read
it
out.
Just
for
for
those
who
don't
have
access
recommendation
should
be
fairly
Broad
and
not
connected
to
any
particular
group
organization
or
existing
initiative
that
serves
a
private
interest
so
as
to
remove
any
potential
conflict
of
interest
and
ultimately
to
serve
the
interest
of
the
wider
African-American
community
in
Asheville
and
bunam
County.
Q
K
A
G
N
J
J
This
particular
piece
troubles
me
and
and
I
I
would
like
us
to
you
know,
have
I,
don't
want
to
hold
up
the
conversation
of
this,
but
this
little
piece
here
came
out
when
people
start
presenting
ideas
on
how
they
want
to
and
plug
in
the
community,
and
it
also
ties
back
into
saying
that
the
people
on
this
board
can't
get
compensated
if,
when
the
bag
dropped-
and
that's
to
me
is
an
issue,
so
I
think
this
is
a
more
deeper
conversation
that
we
need
to
have
that
just
popped
up.
J
It
wasn't
the
a
part,
the
original
language
it
popped
up
when
people
start
throwing
out
ideas
about
how
we
can
really
benefit
our
community.
So
I
think
we
should
you.
You
know
I
seen
it
the
last
time
and
we
didn't
never
really
talk
about
it,
and
then
we
said
we
was
going
to
talk
about
it
the
following
week
and
we
didn't
do
it
so
I
think
that's
a
little
different
thing.
In
my
opinion,.
Q
Okay,
any
I
mean
did
you
want
to
address.
C
G
O
G
G
I'm
not
going
to
say
my
organization
developed
these
points,
but
in
collaboration
with
the
city
and
the
County
government,
okay,
in
as
early
as
December
2022,
when
I
was
asked
to
put
forth
a
project
timeline
to
take
this
group
from
where
this
group
was.
That
was
where
the
timeline
comes
from
as
a
project.
C
Manager
correct
so
the
point
the
point
I'm
trying
to
get
to
is
the
the
parameters
should
be
defined
by
the
Commissioners.
O
C
And
that's
goes
back
to
cam
Howard's
statement.
The
redress
must
be
directed
by
the
injured,
I
think
we're
doing
that
to
a
certain
extent,
including
the
conversation
about
defining
it,
because
you
can't
direct
it.
If
you
don't
Define
it
so
I
think
that's
part
of
that
I
think
even
what
Dwayne
brought
up
is
something
we
should
talk
about,
not
just
take
as
an
assumption
or
agree
with
what
so-called
best
practices
are
out.
There
sure
we
talked
about
that
at
the
beginning
of
the
commission
with
the
Roberts
rules
of
orders.
C
G
Q
It,
which
is
why
we
are
raising
it
now,
so
we
can
discuss
and
I
see,
I
just
want
to
get
to
the
second
buet
point.
Then
I'm
going
come
to
you,
because
it's
also
going
to
lead
into
this
conversation.
The
second
bullet
point
say:
States
projects
that
benefit
individual
persons
or
businesses
are
not
eligible.
Q
The
how
you
say
that
the
emoluments
Clause,
the
emoluments
clause,
which
is
a
federal
law,
that's
right,
prohibits
governments
from
contributing
tax
dollars
to
individual
benefits.
Okay,
so
in
order
for
us
to
really
have
a
full
conversation
around
defining
reparations.
That
second
bullet
point
is
something
that
we
got
to
acknowledge
that
first
bullet
point
I'm
hearing.
We
can
make
some
adaptations
to
ahead.
R
I'm,
just
I'm
trying
to
really
understand
this
as
a
black
person
in
America.
What
we're
doing
on
this
committee,
I
would
hope
would
benefit
me.
So
should
I
exclude
myself
from
the
process,
so
is
there
some
example
or
some
issue
came
up,
that
we
need
a
little
Clarity
on
because
I'm
really
not
how?
How
can
we
be
a
part
of
this
committee
as
blacks
in
America
and
then
that
not
at
some
point,
if
we
do
our
job
right
not
benefit
us
I'm,
I'm,
I'm,
confused
here.
D
I
see
what
you
mean,
it
is
structuring
it
right
now
before
a
formal
entity
is
set
up
to
make
those
adjudications
it
is
it
is.
It
is
taking
the
the
the
the
the
program,
the
definitions
and
and
the
outline
of
the
program
and
skew
it
towards
an
entity
that
is
probably
ly
intended
for
before
the
entity.
That's
set
up
like
a
501c3
or
whatever
you're
going
to
use
is
set
up
to
adjudicate
properly
and
and
if
you
do
have,
an
organization
that
you
belong
to.
D
That
would
be
interested
like
I
did
I'm
just
telling
I'm
just
using
me
for
an
example:
I
work
for
an
organization
or
I
work
with
one
that
is
looking
to
do
a
permanently
affordable
mixed
use.
D
Mixed
income,
housing
I
had
to
declare
that
as
a
conflict
of
interest
because
it
exists,
it
exists
but
later
on,
when
the
entity
is
formed
and
if
these
entities
are
required
to
compete
for
those
dollars
with
programs
Etc,
then
you
know,
of
course,
but
the
important
thing
is
to
disclose
to
fully
disclose
so
that
people
know
and
it's
a
part
of
the
Mage.
If
you
got
a
program
that
you
hoping
get
some
of
these
dollars,
you
know
everybody
knows
who
everybody
belongs
to
or
or
or
works
with,
but
it's
best
to
disclose
it.
Q
And
Mr
Keith
I
think
what
you're
essentially
getting
at
is
those
aari's
definition.
That
reparations
is
a
national
issue.
There.
You
go
right,
so
it's
not
going
to
be
until
the
federal
government
actually
comes
to
an
agreement
of
what
reparations
look
like
for
our
population
and
people
as
a
whole
that
we
can
really
do
what
needs
to
be
done,
but
here
at
this
local
level,
to
miss
Williams
Point.
What
we
want
to
do
can't
be
done
through
the
federal
government
and
the
federal
federal
entities.
Q
There
must
be
something
separate
that
is
created,
so
that
has
to
be
part
of
the
process.
The
one
and
the
two.
C
G
H
C
At
the
end
of
the
day,
we
can't
have
these
conversations
bogged
down
in
that
unless
to
be
directed
by
the
people
that
are
injured,
I
mean
that
I
think
that
that's
a
key
phrase
right
there
directed
means
you
define
how
to
fix
the
injury
and
as
long
as
we're
going
outside
of
that
framework,
then
it's
going
to
get
bogged
down.
I
mean
we'll
talk
about
these
this
for
decades,.
P
I
was
just
going
to
say:
you
got
y'all,
keep
going
back
to
what
Mr
Sandy
Dar
Dr
Sandy
D
said
at
that
meeting.
He
said
a
lot
of
things
right
and
what
Dr
Sandy
D
said
about
reparations
being
a
federal,
a
federal
thing
and
locals
should
not
call
it
reparations.
That's
Dr,
Sandy
D.
That
is
just
him,
but
at
the
end
of
everything
that
he
said
he
actually
blessed
this.
You
can
go
back
and
look
at
that.
I
Keith
he's
written
a
piece
since
he's
presented
to
us
and
he's
backtracked.
That's
what.
P
A
whole
yeah,
he
said
a
whole
bunch
of
stuff,
but
at
the
very
end
of
the
meeting
he
actually
espoused
that
what
we
were
doing
was:
okay,
okay
and
as
far
as
reparations
being
a
national
thing
in
the
resolution,
it
explicitly
states
that
we
call
on
the
federal
government
and
the
state
government
to
bless
this
project.
But
it
should
be
led
by
the
grieved
individuals
and
in
this
local
municipality
and
County.
It
is
the
people
of
bunam
County.
Q
Right
so
thank
you,
Mr,
very
good
information
that
I
think
we
need
to
think
about.
If
we
want
to
get
reparations.
That
means
something
has
to
change
policies
procedures.
All
of
that
stuff
is
not
designed
for
us
to
have
what
we
believe
reparations
are.
Therefore
we
must
figure
out.
What
is
it
that
we
need
to
change?
What
that
means
is
our
work.
We
may
be
too
far
ahead
or
we
may
be
starting
at
a
place
before
we're
ready
to
start
right.
Q
So
we
do
need
to
understand
what
we
think
reparations
are
if
we
know
that
the
policies,
the
structures
and
all
of
those
things
in
place
do
not
support
that,
then
that
means
there's
some
advocacy
that
has
to
take
place.
We
also
know
that
advocacy
takes
a
long
time
right
that
to
change
something
it
may
take
time
right.
So
all
of
this
to
say,
if
what
we
are
doing
is
not
reparations,
what
do
we
call.
L
P
A
P
Now,
when
you,
when
you
talking
about
when
you're
talking
about
what
is
reparations,
one,
it's
an
essential
Act
of
Contrition,
which
is
happening
right
and
then
the
the
the
the
the
party
that's
been
injured,
has
to
be.
You
have
to
you
have
to
fix
all
of
that
stuff,
I'm
not
going
to
go
into
the
whole
five
steps
of
what
reparations
is,
but
when
you
got
to
this
table,
did
you?
What
did
you
think
you
were
joining
up
for
not
Equity
cuz?
P
We,
this
ain't,
equity
and
reparations,
is
definitely
not
equity,
and
if
you
don't
know
what
the
definition
of
reparations
is
I'm
not
saying
that
we
need
to
spell
it
out
right
here,
but
there
are
things
that
we
can
do
so
like
you.
You
all
need
to
be
very
clear
about
where
you
trying
to
take
this
cuz
I,
don't
see
anybody
around
this
table,
trying
to
take
it
anywhere,
I
see
the
people.
That's
really
that
hasn't
been
brought
to
this
table.
P
P
Now,
if
we
have
public
policies
and
procedures
that
have
agreeded
black
people
in
bunam
county
that
came
through
the
local
government,
we
can
reverse
that
through
the
local
government.
If
we
have
public
policies
and
procedures
that
have
hindered
people
from
Economic
Development
from
housing,
from
Health
Care
from
education
on
a
local
level,
we
can
remedy
that
on
a
local
LEL
and
we're
not
talking
about
equity.
And
if
you
want
to
act
like
we,
don't
know
how
this
can
be
done.
What
was
that
that
thing
that
just
happened
through
the
co?
P
You
remember
when
everything
shut
down
from
Co
yall.
Remember
when
all
the
all
the
businesses
started
closing
up
and
losing
money,
you
know
what
the
local
government
did.
The
federal
government
I'm
still
talking.
You
know
what
the
local
government
did
talking.
The
local
government
gave
public
dollars
to
private
businesses
from
the
federal
government.
No,
whether
it
don't
matter
where
it
came
from,
it
was
a
pass
through
it
don't
matter
where
it
came
from.
P
The
local
government
gave
private
businesses
money
through
the
One
bunam
Fund
bunam
County
gave
money,
Asheville
City
gave
money,
but
you
going
to
tell
me
you
can't
give
us
no
money,
no,
no,
there's
a
way
to
do
it.
We
know
how
to
do
it.
I'm
not
going
to
sit
around
here
and
play
these
games
know
what
I'm
talking
about
I'm
not
going
to.
Let
anybody
sit
around
here
talking
about.
We
can't
do
reparations
for
black
people,
but
we
can
do
everything
for
everybody
else
when
the
time
presents
itself.
P
No,
we
hear
at
this
table
because
it
says
reparations
it
said,
reparations
for
a
reason.
Yes,
the
federal
government
has
to
do
what
it
needs
to
do.
Yes,
the
state
has
to
do
what
it
needs
to
do,
but
while
we
here
at
this
table,
we
going
to
do
what
we
need
to
do
and
this
ain't
happening
again
stop
acting
like
this
stuff
has
been
happening.
P
Ain't
nobody
been
passing
reparations
ain't,
nobody
been
doing
this
thing
and
when
this
thing
was
passed,
there
was
only
one
other
city
in
the
entire
country
that
even
attempted
to
do
reparations
so
stop
acting
like
every
who
is
aici
on
reparations,
been
doing
something
cuz
ain't,
nobody
been
doing
it.
You
people
around
this
table
are
the
first
we
going
to
do
what
we
need
to
do.
I'm
not
going
to
sit
here
and
let
people
sit
and
talk
about
this
ain't
reparations,
and
we
can't
do
this
and
we
can't
do
that.
P
M
Q
Sorry
can
we
get
back
to
Mr?
Thank
you.
What
you
just
said
is
something
really
important.
We've
never
done
this
before
it's
the
first
time.
There
is
no
blueprints.
That
means
it's
going
to
be
a
rocky
road
ups
and
downs
disagreements,
discourse
and
all
those
things,
but
we
are
here
cuz.
We
are
here
for
the
love
of
our
people
and
we
must
keep
that
in
mind.
Q
I'm
a
go
I'm
going
to
read
back
why
we
thought
this
was
important
number
one
to
determine
a
goal:
number
two
to
align
this
commit
and
create
something
unique
for
Asheville
to
improve
cohes
cohesiveness
and
establish
a
North
star.
Q
So
we
can
get
it
right
because
we
have
been
harmed
and
we
care
for
our
people
to
enhance
the
chances
of
opportunities
of
black
Americans
and
to
establish
a
a
way
to
increase
Community
engagement
and
Community
awareness,
also
to
minimize
risk
and
de
destigmatize
the
myth,
and
we
need
to
Define
it
because
it's
never
been
defined.
Therefore,
at
my
next
question,
so
we
can
move
forward
cuz.
My
time
is
limited.
Q
I
want
you
to
insert
this
is
where
I
want
you
to
have
fun.
Mr
Keith
reparations
for
Asheville,
North
Carolina
looks
like
a
commitment
to
and
I
want
you
to
fill
in
the
blank.
Take
three
minutes,
write
it
down
and
then
I
want
you
to
call
it
back
out
to
me.
Q
Looks
like
a
commitment
to
I'm
going
insert
the
verb,
addressing
or
correcting
I
say
that
one
more
time,
rep
reparations
for
Asheville,
North
Carolina,
looks
like
a
commitment
to
addressing
filling
the
blank
or
correcting
fill
in
the
blank
should
be.
Q
G
G
Q
Q
S
Q
Q
Well,
no,
if
you
have
more
I'm,
just
making
sure
I
got
it,
making
amends
for
those
who
were
wronged
or
excuse
me
making
amends
for
the
wrongs
that
was
done
and
paying
money
to
or
assist
those
who
were
wronged.
Okay,
all
right!
Thank
you.
Next.
L
I
had
I
had
one
for
addressing
and
one
for
correcting,
addressing
the
systemic
suppression
of
the
black
community
and
correcting
past
harms
to
continuous
investment
in
black.
T
Q
All
right
can
I
rephrase
that
by
saying
improving
the
future
of
black
people-
okay,
thank
you.
Yes,
ma'am.
O
I
put
reparations
for
Ashville.
Look
like
a
commitment
to
this
process;
a
commitment
to
Black
Ashville
residents,
starting
with
our
elders
and
youth,
the
address
to
address
the
harms
that
we
still
face
based
on
the
the
Five
Focus
areas
and
to
enhance
our
financial
well-being
and
just
enhance
Our.
D
Mr
Miss
Williams
commitment
to
addressing
the
harms,
which
have
been
caused
by
systemic
racism
and
closing
the
racial
wealth
Gap
in
the
africanamerican
community.
By
investing
in
this
with
in
the
system
in
the
har,
by
investing
in
systems
which
address
the
harms
caused
in
the
following
areas:
Economic
Development,
housing,
education,
criminal
justice,
health
and
wellness.
R
So
until
we
can
Define
what
reparations
means
to
this
committee,
I'm
going
to
talk
about
what
reparations
means
to
me
and
I,
don't
have
a
problem
with
the
word
reparations.
We
have
used
it
before
because
at
some
point
the
government
paid
white
slave
owners
for
their
slaves.
So
I
don't
have
a
problem
with
the
word
reparations
I
am
here
because
they
took
dignity
away
from
my
ancestors.
They
could
not
speak
for
themselves.
They
had
no
voice.
R
K
W
Community,
it's
definitely
about
black
people,
about
the
African-American
Community
itself,
but
acknowledging
the
harm
first,
even
an
apology
for
the
harm,
the
apology
for
the
complicity
that
was
done
to
the
to
The
Village
accountability,
sustainability
that
covers
the
five.
J
All
the
projects,
all
the
like
anything
development,
that's
happening
in
this
city.
There
should
be
access
to
the
African-American
Community
to
get
a
piece
of
it
all
of.
Q
It
okay,
if
you
can
think
on
that
a
little
bit
more
I'm,
just
trying
to
figure
out
how
we
can
make
it
clear,
I,
I
kind
of
know
where
you're
going,
but
if
you
can
think
on
a
little
bit
more
I'll.
Come
back
to
you.
J
J
B
Jones
correcting.
U
Additionally,
I'm
going
to
be
a
little
bit
more
specific
and
addressing
the
education
harm,
which
does
not
Channel
black
students
into
jobs
which
will
provide
for
self
sustaining
lives.
We
got
to
be
economic
and
it
reverted
me
back
to
the
debate
between
du
boy
and
Booker
B
T
Washington,
the
Talan
tent
Vis.
It
was
it
better
for
us
to
be
smart,
or
was
it
better
for
us
to
be
skilled?
Here's
what
happened
in.
U
A
U
M
Thank
thank
you
well.
I
had
enhancing
and
improving
in
housing
and
education,
so
he
already
spoke
of
the
education
part,
which
was
good
and
as
of
Correction,
that
accountability
is
one
of
the
big
things.
Yes,
consistency.
The
correction
will
be
accountability
and
consistency.
You
know
it's
I,
look
at
it,
it's
nobody's,
being
it's
not
being
accountable
for
the
actions
that
has
been
has
not
been
taken
to
and
also
to
improve
it.
K
You,
okay,
correct
the
past,
harms
of
black
people
and
in
all
areas,
health,
education,
economics,
crime,
social
justice,
and
also
that
we
change
the
policies
that
affect
all
of
us.
From
from
the
things
that
have
happened
in
the
past,
there
was
so
many
policies
put
in
place
that
kept
us
down
in
a
certain
area,
or
we
couldn't
do
certain
things.
So
to
me,
that's
changed
the
policies
and
also
there
should
be
a
financial
component
to
this.
K
There
should
be
some
Financial
component
for
afro
Americans
for
all
the
things
that
they've
done
over
the
years.
Thank.
H
Q
Q
Y
I
think
the
intergenerational
perspective
need
to
be
that
and
it's
a
commitment
intergenerationally,
because
the
harms
and
The
Sensation
of
hars
like
we
can
it
can
be
as
much
investment
as
we
want
to
invest
in
community.
But
if
the
systems
and
policies
and
practices
that's
maintaining
is
still
happening.
We.
G
W
Y
Stopping
the
harm
that
was
one
of
our
first
recommendations
and
I
think
it
is
so
important,
I
think
it
got
overshadowed
by
the
audit,
and
that
was,
but
that's
not
stopping
the
harm.
So
as
many
recommendation
as
we
put
forth
and
as
many
things
that
we
can
have
even
with
financial
benefit
is
the
harms
are
still
happening.
The
financial
benefit
and
the
recommendations
that
we
are
producing
will
be
you
worthless,
because
it's
that
intergenerational
component,
not
just
for
who's
at
the
table.
Y
Q
Perfect,
thank
you.
So
I
will
wrap
up.
You
all.
Don't
realize
that
bet.
You
just
Define
reparations
I'm,
going
to
read
these
back
out
to
you
cuz.
It's
not
like
a
Webster
dictionary
type
of
definition.
You
all
heard
each
other
speak
I'm
going
to
read
this
out.
It's
not
beautiful,
it's
not
pretty,
but
this
is
what
you
all
said.
Reparations
in
Asheville,
North
Carolina
looks
like
a
commitment
to
making
amends
for
the
wrongs
that
was
done
and
paying
money
to
or
assisting
those
who
were
wronged.
It
looks
like
addressing
systemic
suppression.
Q
It
looks
like
correcting
past
and
current
harms
through
through
a
continuous
investment
intergenerationally.
It
looks
like
a
stock,
stopping
the
harm
and
systemic
biases
and
issues.
It
looks
like
improving
the
future
of
black
people.
It
looks
like
creating
opportunities
for
black
students
to
have
self-sustaining
jobs,
with
a
focus
on
skill,
develop
skill
development
for
economic
Mobility.
It
looks
like
enhancing
our
well-being
and
our
lives.
It
looks
like
closing
the
racial
wealth
Gap
by
investing
in
systems
that
address
the
harms.
Q
It
looks
like
restoring
dignity,
I
love
that
and
the
voice
of
Black
Americans.
It
looks
like
acknowledging
and
receiving
an
apology
for
the
harms
that
was
done.
It
looks
like
implementing
systems
for
accountability
and
sustainability.
It
looks
like
restoring
what
was
taken
away
by
granting
money,
land
and
access
to
city
and
neighborhood
development.
It
looks
like
not
creating
additional
harm.
It
looks
like
creating
a
thriving
black
Asheville.
Q
It
looks
like
addressing
disparities
for
black
people
out
all
levels
and
enhancing
home
ownership
and
being
consistent,
while
also
reversing
and
changing
the
policies
that
cause
the
harm.
That
is
y'all's
definition
as
a
commission
of
what
reparations
look
like
for
Asheville
now,
what
you're
tasked
to
do
is
what
does
it
take
to
do?
Ites
that
make
sense
to
everyone
all
right.
My
time
is
up
I
promise.
I
will
get
this
to
Christine
to
send
it
out
to
everybody,
but
you
have
all
defined
it.
Q
E
E
Okay,
that
that
one
is
going
to
be
a
very
hard
one,
because
these
are
our
ancestors
that
we're
talking
about
so
somehow
or
the
other.
We
need
to
reframe
that
so
that
it
doesn't
look
like
you're
trying
to
give
money
to
individuals
now
that
are
currently
sitting
you
know
here
or
in
on
the
in
Asheville,
somehow
the
other.
We
have
to
show
that
we're
paying
that
money
or
you're
giving
money
if
you're
giving
money
for
individuals
of
the
past
not
of
the
present
or
the
future.
Q
R
Q
Time
yeah
and
it's
a
start
right
and
we
we
haven't,
had
a
starting
point,
so
we
can
refine
it
of
course,
but
this
gives
us
something
to
work
with,
especially
when
you
go
back
to
your
IFA
groups
and
have
these
conversations
to
say
you
know
what
this
actually
isn't
reparations.
This
is
community
engagement.
This
is
community
awareness.
Let's
move
this
over
here
and
you
all
will
have
that
right
to
do
that.
But
this
gives
you
just
a
good
starting
point.
G
I
will
just
say
it's
kind
of
like
when
you
get
together
as
a
group
and
and
write
a
mission
statement
right,
and
so
that
mission
statement
helps
to
direct
your
objectives
and
your
goals
and
what
you
you
know.
Y
You
all
okay,
if
y'all,
will
turn
to
page
16
in
your
packet.
Y
G
Things
here,
I'm,
sorry
y'all,
it's
is
page
16.
It
says
accountability
towards
the
bottom
of
the
page.
Okay,
oh
that's
this
one,
this
one.
It
says
accountability
towards
the
bottom
page,
and
these
are
notes
from
our
Retreat.
When
we
talked
about,
we
all
talked
about
the
accountability
or
sustainability
recommendations.
Yeah.
Y
All
right
is
everybody
at
their
page,
hopefully
so,
and
so
this
conversation
is
about
moving
the
accountability
and
sustainability.
First
to
vote
for
accountability.
Recommendation
that
the
education
group
actually
put
forth.
It
is
in
your
packets
on
page
18
through
21,
but
I
wanted
to
start
with
the
conversation
that
we
talked
about
at
the
retreat
around
sustainability.
Just
to
up
to
remind
us
of
our
conversation
at
The
Retreat,
around
sustainability
and
accountability,
which
is
what's
moving
forward.
The
recommendation.
Y
What
we
did
notice
was
that
all
of
the
ifas
had
this
accountability
and
sustainability
recommendation.
Yes,
similar
recommendation.
We
CH
the
education
group's
recommendation
was
chosen
as
the
one
to
move
forward
because
it
fully
Encompass
all
of
the
other
IFA
groups
recommendation
and
it
was
more
Define
just
just
comprehensive.
Y
A
little
bit
more
comprehensive
than
the
other
on
so,
but
it
summed
up
all
of
our
IFA
accountability
recommendations,
and
so
has
everyone
had
a
chance
to
even
read
that
one,
the
education
accountability
task
force.
D
So
I
guess
what
I'm
on
under
accountability?
You
have
listed
accountable
to
black
ash,
but
we
are
in
bunan
County
residents,
but
we're
also
accountable
to
City
and
County
government.
These
are
public
fund.
Y
Yes,
so
that
was
just
notes
on
this
on
page
16,
under
accountability,
it
says
we
are
accountable
to
the
black
to
the
black
Ashville
and
bunam
County
residents.
The
Entity
should
be
a
partnership
but
separated
from
the
city
and
county,
not
a
part
of
this
commission
using
data
to
inform
decisions
and
conduct.
Atics
and
accountability
task
force
refer
to
the
U
education
F
recommendation,
which
is
on
page
18,
and
then
we
had
some
notes
from
sustainability.
Y
That's
just
the
reminders
of
our
conversations
around
at
the
retreat
around
accountability
and
sustainability
of
this
process.
How
do
we
keep
things
moving
forward
when
this
process
is
over
and
still
make
make
sure
that
things
are
happening?
The
way
that
we
are
recommending
it
to
happen?
And
so
the
education
IFA
recommendation
is
what's
up
for
vote
tonight?
Okay,
wait!
Ae,
just
for
18
18
got.
G
A
T
Think
because
there
was
another
IFA
that
presented
similar
information
to
it,
it
would
be
a
good
time
for
us
to
essentially
look
at
them,
see.
Maybe
what
could
be
adapted?
What
could
be
changed?
What
could
be
added?
What's
not
like,
but
we're
really
looking
for
discussion
on
this,
so
that
we
can
Beef
It
Up
and
essentially
make
it
a
healthier
proposal.
Sure
yeah.
Y
All
right:
well,
it's
open
for
discussion!
So
it's
on
page
18
in
your
packets.
D
I
would
suggest
that
you
also
be
accountable
to
the
city
and
county
government
themselves.
I
I,
understand
you're,
saying
black
Asheville
and
buckin
County
residents,
but
this
is
a
public
money
and
you
do
need
to
be
accountable
to
City
and
County
government
because,
as
they
give
you,
these
funds
they're
responsible
to
the
voters.
So
you
can't
Overlook
that,
even
though
the
rhetoric
is
is
kind
of
turning
the
other
way,
I'm
a
pragmatist
I'm,
a
businesswoman
and
I
always
look
at
where
my
money's
coming
from
and
these
folks
hold
purse
stram.
Y
T
I
mean
essentially
I
mean
it's
it's
it's
like
we've
already
talked
I
mean
it's
been
sent
out,
like
I
mean
I'm
not
trying
to
waste
time
like
I
mean
our
purpose.
It
was
sent
out
like
we
we've
been
talking
all
long
about
getting
information
out
before
so
people
have
had
time
to
read
it.
We
essentially
had
it
at
our
last
meeting
like
I.
Don't
really
feel
like
there's
more
to
sit
up
there
and
stand
and
read
it
like
it's
in
front
of
in
front
of
us.
T
I
mean
we're
talking
about
it
now,
I
think
Miss
D
did
a
good
point
of
making
the
first
thing
of
she
had
a
recommendation
in
looking
at
it.
I
mean
I
feel
like.
If
you
haven't
taken
a
a
glance
at
it,
you
can
look
at
it
now
and
and
start
to
really
decipher
what
you
think
of
it,
but
I,
don't
just
just
me.
I,
don't
really
feel
a
need
that
anybody
from
our
IFA
really
needs
to
come
and
read
it.
T
A
R
So
we
can
get
into
this
a
little
bit
by
just
simply.
Why
do
we
feel
the
need
to
have
five
people
hired
for
each
individual
IFA.
R
E
Okay,
Madam
Vice,
chair,
I,
I,
agree
with
what
he's
saying
I
mean
we
can
all
look
at
this
can
in
the
essence
of
time,
I'm
going
back
to
can.
Can
we
all
take
this,
take
a
glance
at
it.
If
we
have
something
of
meat
that
we
want
to
add
to
their
proposal,
then
we
can
get
back
to
them,
someone
in
their
group,
and
we
can
share
it
from
our
ifas
that
we
want
to
add
to
it.
Y
So
I
do
want
to
say
this
because
I
think
he
touched
on
it
too
and
I
don't
want
this
to
be
missed
in
translation.
So
right,
this
is
not
the
first
time
this
has
been
in
the
packet
and
at
the
last
meeting
we
asked
that
people
send
their
comments
or
any
things,
because
it
was
actually
supposed
to
be
for
vote.
Given
our
process,
it's
presented
in
the
packet
last
meeting
and
people
comment
and
send
their
information
to
the
education
group
and
edits
are
concerns,
and
then
it
comes
for
voted
this
one.
Y
But
it's
fine
that
we're
having
that
discussion,
but
if
we
push
this
to
the
the
next
meeting
as
being
accountable
to
each
other,
like
we
a
commission-
and
we
are
sitting
here
to
do
a
job
so
and
being
accountable
to
each
other,
let's
make
sure
that
next
meeting,
we
ready
to
vote
on
this
because
everyone
has
sent
their
con.
Their
edits
concerns
any
cross,
IFA
comments,
and
things
like
that
is
actually
happening
outside
of
this
meeting.
So
next
meeting
we
can
actually
vote
to
look
I
done.
Y
Read
it
like
five
six
times,
cuz,
that's
how
long
it's
been
in
front
of
me,
so
I
think
it's
important
to
hold
ourself
accountable
to
doing
it
before
our
next
Mee,
and
so
I
am
fine
with
tabling
this
to
the
next
meeting.
But
please
please,
please
look
at
it
and
read
it
and
make
your
comments
and
edits.
That
would
be
amazing.
P
Just
for
folks
consideration
when
you
make
your
edits
for
the
parameters
on
page
18,
when
it
says,
hire
the
the
five
individuals
or
whatever,
and
it's
got
you
know
a
director
and
admin
technical
or
whatever
consideration
of
an
independent.
D
Yes,
okay,
that
that
wouldn't
be
permanent
staff
would
it
that
would
be
a
contractor.
Correct,
usually,
is
there
was
one
IFA
we
even
presented
a
budg
and
and
Staffing
nearing,
and
that's
what
I
mean
by
a
lot
of
the
work
that
we're
doing
in
these
ifas
is
not
even
hitting
the
light
of
day
and
I.
Think
the
staff
was
like
nine
people,
because
for
various
reasons
it
was
economic
development,
but
it
it.
It
was
a
think
tank
model
that
came
up
in
that
IFA,
and
so
we
we
didn't
have
any
input.
G
I
I
think.
The
reason
that
this
particular
recommendation
is
coming
to
us
now
for
consideration
is
because
it
really
kind
of
dictates
and
will
shape
how
this
group
will
move
forward
right
and
I.
Think
there's
there's
definitely
going
to
be
space
for
all
of
the
recommendations
to
come
forth
and
to
get
that
sort
of
refinement
or
that
review
period.
So
the
staff
has
been
in
a
six-
week,
review
period
between
the
retreat
and
this
meeting
and
so
getting
that
feedback
and
your
group
can
decide
what
to
do
with
that
feedback
right.
G
Well,
we'll
make
sure
that
we
get
we
get
those
recommendations
in
for
for
a
good
amount
of
review.
Spreadsheets
yeah
got
that
intricate,
we'll
we'll
get
it
in
to
to
get
it
under
review,
but
there's
going
to
be
opportunities
to
bring
IFA
recommendations
back
as
a
full
commission
and
everybody's
talking
about
the
recommendations
all
at
the
same
time.
That's
what
we
were
doing
at
the
start
of
the
year.
You
know
each
IFA
had
an
opportunity
to
talk
about
recommendations
as
we
moved
towards
the
summer.
G
We
wanted
to
make
sure
okay,
now
we're
talking
about
accountability,
we're
talking
about
process.
We
need
to
figure
some
of
those
things
out
before
making
decisions
about
which
recommendations.
You
know
this
group
wants
to
support
financially
and
moving
forward
anyway.
I
say
that
to
say:
please
send
me.
G
The
latest
version
of
this
and
I
know
that
there
are
other
IFA
groups
that
have
versions
of
accountability,
recommendations
too,
so
we
want
to
make
sure
that
it's
it
it
all
sort
of
meshes
together,
so
that
we're
all
looking
at
one
recommendation
and
so
I'll
send
that
out
to
everyone.
And
if
you
could
get
your
feedback
to
myself
and
to
the
Dr
Maris
lavender
the
education
IFA
facilitator,
then
we
can
input
that
feedback
and
we
can
bring
it
back
up
for
discussion
at
our
next
meeting.
D
So
we
had
also
I
did
not
know
that
it
was
just
going
to
come
from
the
education
IFA,
because
Economic
Development
also
had
some
some
pretty
specific
recommendations
and
they
never
got
sent
in
or
they
never
showed
up
here.
G
Right
they
they
they
were
discussed
at
The
Retreat,
and
the
idea
is
that
for
the
ifas
to
also
take
some
time
to
to
work
together
and
bring
those
those
ideas
together
and
so,
and
so
what
does
that
look
like?
What
does
those
combined
recommendations?
Look
like
as
I'm
happy
to
make
myself
available
to
kind
of
facilitate
or
take
all
the
time
that
we
need
in
order
to
put
them
together.
D
D
Y
So
yeah
we're
going
to
table
this
conversation
in
the
means
of
moving
on
to
our
next
agenda
item.
Please
please,
please
again.
If
y'all
have
comments,
concerns
recommendations,
edits,
please
send
them
to
the
education
group
and
y'all
can
be
at
their
meeting.
However,
yall
want
to
do
it
but
make
sure
that
they
get
those
EDS
recommendation
any
talking
points
before
our
next
meeting.
So
our
next
meeting
we
can
be
actually
looking
at.
Y
These
because
that
recommendation,
that's
in
front
of
you
right
now
is
the
education
ifa's
recommendation.
So
if
y'all
have
one
we
do
that
y'all
want
to,
but
that
connect
with
the
education
group
econom
like
the
different
IFA
groups.
We
can
connect
across
ifas,
and
so
it
would
be
great
if
we
connected
across
ifas
to
talk
about
our
similar
recommendations
so
that
we
can
merge.
I.
Y
Think
that's
been
a
topic
like
for
the
last
few
meetings
like
how
do
we
work
together
as
ifas
when
we
have
cross
pooll
I
had
to
say
pollination,
just
use
it
PR
pollination
of
ideas
and
recommendations,
and
that's
doing
it
outside
of
the
meetings.
All
of
our
agendas
and
meeting
times
are
on
a
calendar
that
so
you
can
like
we
can.
Our
facilitators
can
connect
us
to
the
other
groups
and
work
with
the
other
groups
and
set
that
up
for
us,
so
I
would
I
would
ask
that
we
do
that
outside
of
this.
Y
I
In
your
packet
we
have
10
minutes
before
reaching
the
8:00
hour.
We
started
6
minutes
late.
If
you
don't
mind,
I'd
like
to
add
that
to
the
10
minutes,
so
we
can
wrap
up
this
agenda
on
new
business.
A
a
project
timeline
discussion
that
A
and
B
should
be
reversed.
We
should
talk
about
the
resolution.
I
Y
Of
your
other-
and
this
is
also
the
resolution
you
I
received
at
the
last
meeting
from
Kei
I-
hope
I
had
time
to
read
it,
and
it
was
also
sent
out
via
email.
I
Appropriate
to
discuss
any
major
insights
concerns.
Criticism
supports.
A
P
P
So
the
Essen
this
processes-
let's
let's
be
honest
and
real,
like
I-
understand
that
some
people
have
other
things
going
on.
I
totally
understand
that,
and
if
this
extension
is
not
something
that's
conducive
to
your
work,
life
or
what
you
have
scheduled
in
your
personal
life.
I
understand
that
as
well.
But
I
also
understand
that
we
got
like
around
6
months
to
go.
N
P
Right
but
it's
an
arbitrary
timeline.
Nobody
around
here
set
that
timeline
and
most
boards
and
commissions
in
the
city
and
County
get
an
actual
4
years,
but
they're
asking
you
to
do
something:
that's
never
been
done
in
two
and
we're
we
we
have
7
months
left
and
we
haven't
sent
one
real
recommendation
up:
we're
still
trying
to
figure
out
how
to
talk
to
each
other
and
coales
these
these
recommendations
and
do
community
engagement
and.
P
And
rework
a
project
timeline
and
Define
what
reparations
is
and
try
to
and
one
thing
and
and
meet
with
keeping
the
corn
one
thing
I
can
say
out
of
all
the
boards
and
commissions
that
I've
ever
watched
and
seen.
This
is
probably
one
of
the
only
ones
that
I've
seen
continuously
keep
a
quarum.
Yes
with
as
many
people
that
are
on
it,
but
I
will
say
we
need
to
make
time
to
do
the
work
that
needs
to
be
done.
So
after
after
when
we
start
sending
these
recommendations
and
things
start
coming
back.
P
If
we
end
this
thing
in
April-
and
we
just
say
here
is
a
report
on
everything
we
got-
you
don't
get
a
second
chance,
I,
don't
know
how
many
of
you
people
think
like
this
is
is
going
to
happen
again
cuzz.
This
has
never
happened
before
we're
about
400
years
late.
So
the
gravity
of
this
is
not.
You
know.
I
can't
do
this
in
6
months,
cuz
I
got
stuff,
I
need
to
do,
or
you
can't
just
be
wasting
time.
P
W
P
The
definition
of
reparations
is
it
doesn't
matter
how
we
got
to
this
point
as
far
as
why
we
haven't
moved
as
far
along
as
we
should,
but
I
think
we've
moved.
We've
we've
worked
at
a
tireless
Pace
I
mean
we
got
people.
That's
that's
meeting
way
more
than
any
other
boarding
commission
and
you
talk
about
I
I
heard
talk
about
time,
management
and
all
this
stuff.
I
commend
y'all,
cuz
I
know
people
that
can't
even
make
it
to
regular
boards
and
commission
meetings.
P
We're
talking
about
people
who
have
all
sorts
of
things
going
on
and
y'all
are
putting
in
the
work,
but
even
with
everybody
putting
in
the
work
is
still
not
enough.
You
need
that
extra
little
bit
of
time
to
figure
it
out
and
the
only
reason
we're
racing
against
the
clock
is
because
there's
an
arbitrary
timeline
that
is
set
in
the
resolution
itself.
It
doesn't
say
how
long
this
needs
to
take
what
it
states
as
far
as
time
constraints
are,
is
that
it
needed
to
get
started
soon,
which
it
did
not.
It
got
started
really
late.
P
And
I
don't
think
that
these
these
this
this
this
whole
thing
with
reparations
is
going
to
be
wrapped
up
in
two
years.
There's
going
to
be
stuff
going
on
beyond
that,
and
I
would
at
least
feel
like.
We
should
give
this
process
is
due
diligence
I
get
it
folks
want
money,
I
get
it
folks
want
to
build.
I
E
I
said
I
mean
I,
I,
I
again
I'm
saying
to
if,
if
we
did
what
we
supposed
to
do
in
our
ifas,
we
need
to
do
it.
We
need
to
be
committed
to
do
it
to
show
up
to
the
meetings
to
do
what
we
need
to
do
in
the
off
time
of
the
meetings
and
get
it
done,
we're
all
professionals.
It
doesn't
take
that
long
to
put
in
another
two
years,
another
two
years,
it's
saying
to
the
community
and
to
government
officials
that
we
don't
know
what
we're
doing.
Sorry,
you
hired
don't.
E
E
So
so
what
we're
doing
is
we're
saying?
Can
we
get
this
done?
We
can
get
it
done.
If
we
put
our
time
in
to
do
it.
We
have
to
show
up
at
meetings
and
we
have
to
perform
at
those
meetings.
You
can't
come
in
and
do
whatever,
if
you,
if
I
don't
know
or
whatever
play
time
or
fun
time
or
whatever
you
do,
have
to
have
some
fun
I'm
all
about
fun,
but
you
also
have
to
work.
You
have
to
work,
it
I
mean
and
it
can
be
done.
That's
it.
R
Do
I'm
just
wondering:
is
there
any
reason
we
have
to
do
this
proposal
right
now?
Could
we
do
our
due
diligence
for
the
next
2
three
months
see
what
kind
of
process
we
can
make
and
then
isn't
this
resolution
available
to
us
at
any
time
if
we
feel
we
need
to
use
it
or
do
we
have
to
do
this
with
seven
months
remaining
on
our
time?
Why
do
we
have
to
do
this
proposal
right
now?
I
think.
P
It
affects
what
the
work
looks
like
I
I
think
it
affects
like.
If,
if
you
know
you
playing
I'm
going
just
use
the
sports
analogy
for
those
who
don't
know
Sports,
it's
okay,
if
you
in
a
football
game-
and
you
know
you
got
two
minutes
left
on
the
clock
and
you
have
to
score
a
touchdown,
you
move
with
more
urgency
than
you
would.
If
you
knew
you
had
a
whole
another
quarter.
The
game
plan
so,
like
your
game
plan,
might
look
a
little
bit
differently.
P
You
might
not
put
things
on
the
table
playwise
in
two
minutes
that
you
would
in
a
whole
quarter
what
I'm
saying,
and
that
doesn't
mean
that
we
can't
still
offer
up
recommendations.
While
you
have
this
time,
it
just
means
that
you're,
not
behind
the
eightball.
You
don't
have
a
gun
to
your
head,
saying
we
got
to
hurry
up
and
do
everything.
The
timeline
is
an
arbitrary
timeline
that
has
been
set.
It
is
not
a
timeline
that
was
like
I
I,
don't
know
who
came
up
with
that
timeline?
Somebody
came
up
with
that
timeline.
P
A
P
And
so
we're
trying
to
remedy
everything
in
two
years,
we're
not
even
we
can't
even
remedy
a
meeting
how
we
going
to
remedy
this
in
7
months,
6
months,
I'm,
just
saying
it,
we
can
do
it,
we
yeah
it
could
be
on
the
table,
but
once
you
vote
on
it
at
the
end
of
the
day,
you
still
don't
have
control
over
what
happens
with
it.
So
it's
it's
better
to
know
what
we
going
to
do
now,
as
opposed
to
wait
until
February
and
we're
like.
P
P
I
Db
I
know
you
have
comment
if
the
other
Commissioners,
let
me
put
this
on
the
table
for
your
consideration,
is
it
doesn't
look
like
we're
ready
to
vote
on
this?
No,
but
let
me
put
this
on
on
the
table.
Also,
is
that
I
know
it's
discouraging,
but
you've
only
fulfilled
the
last
couple
of
paragraphs
of
the
resolutions
passed
by
the
city
and
county
enslavement.
I
Segregation
mass
incarceration
were
all
on
the
agenda.
We
have
not
given
any
time
to
that.
K
I
To
the
full
resolutions
passed
by
the
city
and
by
the
county
and
those
resolutions
covered
historic
eras
of
exploitation
or
oppression
of
black
people
as
recognized
and
voted
by
the
city
council,
County,
Commission
unanimously
and
so
I'm.
Thinking
that,
if
this
present
commission
is
not
prepared
to
address
those
areas
that
were
assigned
to
us,
then
possibly
others
may
need
to
be.
Re
may
need
to
be
appointed
and
put
their
names
forward.
Who
are
answering.
D
I
D
We
do
address
in
our
ifas
and
I
know.
We
have
criminal
justice,
but
let
me
say
that
even
if
we
have
to
move
people
around
who
want
to
put
in
grind
in
the
work
cuz
I'm,
seeing
that
a
lot
of
the
work
that
we've
done
in
our
ifas
have
not
and
spread
sheets
to
go
with
the
programs
and
the
budgets
have
not
even
hit
the
light
a
day.
You
know
everything
comes
to
the
light.
D
Eventually,
it's
like
we
haven't
done
any
work,
but
there
are
some
of
us,
who've
actually
put
in
work,
professional
work
and
it
has
not
been
sent
into
this
commission.
Let
me
say
this
to
y'all:
you
look
crazy.
You
look
crazy.
You
had
two
years
and
we
talking
about
extending
it
another
two,
the
commu,
the
community,
you've
lost
credibility
with
them
already
and
two
more
years
is
going
to
add
more
to
it.
D
H
D
I
G
Well,
I
just
think
that
since
the
the
the
idea
of
administrative
costs
was
brought
up,
I
think
that
when
you
extend
the
commission,
you
also
have
to
decide.
Are
you
going
to
extend
the
cost
of
administration
for
this
board,
which
is
the
administrative
cost
stiens
facilitator,
stiens
and
the
like,
because
it
budget
the
budget
that
goes
along
with
this?
It's
not
going
towards
reparations
towards
this
community.
It's
going
towards
this
group!
That's
administering
this
project.
T
I
just
want
to
say
that,
like
I,
I
I
hear
everything
we're
not
going
to
be
able
to
sum
this
up
tonight,
but
I
do
think
that
we
could
submit
proposals
and
recommendations
within
our
time
frame.
What
we
cannot
do
is
we
do
not
have
enough
time
to
follow
up
on
the
accountability
portion
after
our
term
is
over.
So
essentially,
what
we
started
to
discuss
today,
which
is
accountability,
is
the
main
concern
of
we
submitted
the
recommendations
and
proposals,
but
then
what-
and
so
essentially
let
me
finish
so
essentially
after
after
our
term
is
over.
T
That's
what
we
have
to
essentially
address
is
then
what
because,
after
that,
there's
still
a
lot
of
work
to
be
done
to
make
sure
what
we
would
propos
gets
done
so
essentially,
I
think
that
we
need
to
look
into
the
accountability
piece
that
was
proposed
to
essentially
look
at.
Is
there
something
that
we
agree
for
the
continuation
of
the
work,
and
then
we
need
to
come
back
to
what
Keith
has
presented,
which
is
after
we've
agreed
this
accountability?
O
Tiffany
I
just
want
to
say
pertaining
to
the
administrative
fees
and
things
like
that
that
will
acrew.
If
we
do
stick
with
just
this
seven
months
and
we
present
these
recommendations
and
we
get
a
flat,
no,
that
money.
Where
would
it
go.
Y
Right
back
into
the
city
county,
what
are
Y
when
you
say
no,
are
you
saying
rep
like
to
the
recommendation
say
we
submit
our
recommendations
and
they
say
no
to
all
of
them
or
no
to
to
the
recommendations
right
so
like
I.
Think,
because
of
that,
it's
not
as
clear
like
the
fact
that
we,
as
commission
members,
have
those
type
of
questions,
says
something
you
about
the
process.
Y
You
know
what
I
mean
the
fact
that
there
is
still
things
that
are
not
clear
enough
for
us
to
even
have
a
full
understanding
as
doing
the
work
on
this
commission
is
a
part
of
that
conversation
as
well,
because
at
the
same
time
I
feel
like
yeah.
We
are
very
great
people
and
we
are
skilled
and
talented
and
we
could
make
recommendations
and
push
them
through
and
be
done
in
3
months,
I
honestly
believe,
but
the
seven
month,
the
seven
month
deadline
is
like,
but
what
community
has
been
involved
in
this
process?
Y
And
what
does
that
Community?
Look
like,
let's
be
intentional
I,
like
I,
just
feel
like
this
is
intentional
moment
we
talking
about
this
resolution
and
extension.
What
does
that?
Community?
Look
like
do
it.
Look
like
the
people,
that's
negatively
impacted
by
this
by
the
history
of
what
we
supposed
to
be
doing.
This
work
for,
like
we
supposed
to
be
making
recommendations
for
black
people.
I
just
want
to
be
intentional,
I'm,
so
passionate
about
the
community
engagement
into
this
process.
Y
We
cannot
take
this
internalistic
mindset
as
a
commission
that
we
going
just
tell
we
know
what
the
community
need.
We
going
to
tell
them
what
they
need
and
give
it
to
that's
what
has
been
historically
done
to
us
forever
and
how
do
we,
as
black
people,
do
that,
and
so,
like
my,
my
passion
for
the
extension
of
the
timeline
is
because
it's
still
too
much
work
that
needs
to
be
done.
That
hasn't
been
done.
Y
Yes,
we
had
a
skills
to
get
it
done
in
7
months,
but
I
don't
want
to
be
a
part
of
a
process.
That's
going
to
perpetuate
way
the
harms
that
has
been
done
to
black
people
forever.
If
we
not
engaging
the
whole
black
community,
that's
bigger
than
the
Legacy
neighborhoods,
that's
the
pockets,
that's
the
people
that
was
in
the
Legacy
neighborhoods
that
had
to
move
out
to
the
county
because
they
couldn't
afford
to
stay
in
the
city.
Let's
be
real
about
the
conversation,
you
know
what
I
mean
and
I.
Y
Just
don't
think
that
we
have
had
that
7
months
is
enough
time
to
adequately
show
them.
This
is
the
work
we
have
been
doing.
A
lot
of
people
in
our
community,
don't
even
understand
what
we
doing
here.
Every
time
I'm
talking
to
people
where
my
check
y'all,
better
write
me
a
check
like
that.
That's
the
reality
like
we
haven't
done
our
part
as
far
as
educating
our
community
and
keeping
them
informed
on
a
bigger
scale,
not
just
my
friends
who
I
conversate
with
every
day.
Y
I'm
talking
about
the
me
we
talking
about
thousands
of
people
that
we
making
decisions
for
that's
craziness
to
me
to
say:
oh
yes,
we
can
get
it
done
like
we
could
get
it
done
in
seven
months.
I
would
never
say
that
we
couldn't
do
it.
We
could
do
it,
but
what
is
that
really
going
to
look
like
and
are
we
going
to
become
the
problem?
Y
Are
we
going
to
become
the
problem
and
that's
what
I
think
about
cuz
when
this
work
is
done,
I'mma
still
be
in
community,
advocating
I'mma
still
be
in
community
developing
program,
I'mma
still
be
going
to
door
too.
I'mma
still
be
doing
it
when
this
process,
over
with
my
reputation,
matters
the
work
that
I
put
in
into
Community
matters
the
work
that
I'm
doing
now
matters
with
this
process
and
so
does
y'all's
and
so
like
I
think
we
really
need
to
it.
Don't
have
to
be
two
years.
Y
We
don't
even
have
to
put
a
timeline
on
it.
Just
let's
talk,
let's
really
start
thinking
about.
If
we
had
an
extension,
what
does
that
look
like,
but
also
what
is
the
end
game
like?
What
does
success?
Look
like?
How
do
we
know
we
have
successfully
done
reparations
in
Ash
and
bunam
County
and
then
work
back
from
there.
What
does
it
really
look
like
that's
a
part
of
defin
and
reparation?
Y
It's
really
Define
what
the
success
for
this
process
look
like
and
who
need
to
be
at
the
table
to
ensure
that
it's
successful
and
that's
the
work
we
haven't
done
and
that's
discussion
and
that's
the
discussion
that
needs
to
be
at
the
table
and
we
can
work
backwards
from
there
on
the
timeline
exension
or
we
do
it
see
what
looks
like
in
three
months
and
we
keep
extending
based
on
that.
But
we
need
to
be
real,
intentional
I'm,
sorry
that
was
my
soap
box.
That
was
nothing
I'm.
Sorry.
I
That
is
not
a
rejection
of
the
res
resolution.
My
understanding
of
your
spirit
is
that
it's
also
should
be
tabled
for
a.
I
Thank
you.
Thank
you,
two
more
things
that
we
need
to
go
through.
It
will
be
a
brief
on
the
community
reparation
Summit,
that's
scheduled
for
October
the
7th
and
then
we're
going
directly
to
public
comment.
G
Just
really
quickly,
I
wanted
to
remind
yall
again
of
of
the
summit
that's
happening
on
the
7th
it
is
going
to
be
from
10
a.m.
to
I,
think
3:00
p.m.
and
it's
going
to
be
held
at
UNCC
Asheville
I
sent
out
the
registration
link.
Please
go
ahead
and
RSVP,
because
I
believe
the
the
link
is.
The
registration
is
going
to
be
closed
soon
because
they
are
almost
at
capacity.
G
So
please
go
ahead
and
register
if
you
have
not
done
so
already
and
the,
and
thank
you
to
those
who
have
volunteered
to
speak
on
a
panel,
regardless
of
whether
you're
speaking
on
a
panel
I
encourage
you'all
to
come
out
and
share
about
the
work
that
you're
doing
so.
That's
all
I
have
to
say
about
that,
and
then
the
last
item
under
here
under
the
first
item
under
next
steps,
is
future
agenda
items.
G
I
want
to
make
sure
that
we're
getting
those
agenda
items
on
the
next
agenda
and
we're
not
not
missing
anything
so
we're
going
to
go
ahead
and
move
that
extend
extension,
conversation
or
timeline
conversation
down
to
the
next
item.
Again,
if
there
are
things
that
y'all
want
to
see
on
these
agendas,
please
reach
out
to
me.
That's.
Y
All
thank
you.
So
we
are
at
public
comment.
We
have
two
people
signed
up,
Natalie,
Bailey,
and
so
each
speaker
has
three
minutes.
Is
it
yes?
Each
speaker
has
three
minutes
in
public
comment
and
thank
you.
F
Thank
you
all
very
much
again.
My
name
is
Natalie
Bailey
I
know
most
of
you.
I
am
up
here
as
a
private
resident
citizen
I'm.
A
third.
F
Mary
Lou
Weise
Deon
Harrison
Miller,
whose
home
was
surrendered
by
my
late
grandmother
and
her
sister
to
the
process
of
urban
renewal
in
1979
and
for
context.
I
was
a
year
old,
so
it
was
a
long
time
ago,
but
not
that
long
and
I'm
here
because
of
my
roots
in
our
community
and
my
family's
direct
experience
with
the
loss
that
accompanies
the
administration
of
a
public
policy
that
is
designed
to
leave
those
on
the
receiving
end
less
than
whole
I
here
to
respectfully
ask
this
body,
as
you
all
discussed
tonight,
which
is
timely.
F
That
I'm
up
here,
as
you
all
discussed
what
the
meaning
of
reparations
is
for
this
particular
body
and
this
particular
work.
I'm
asking
you
all
to
consider
making
the
formal
request
of
officially
and
explicitly
of
the
following
items
from
the
two
governmental
entities
who
passed
resolutions
authorizing
this
work.
The
first
is
to
name
the
policies,
procedures
and
practices
that
both
entities
administered
that
cause
economic,
educational
and
social
harms
to
the
black
community
and
Asheville
and
bunkham
County,
to
explicitly
name
those
policies,
procedures
and
practices
to
explicitly
request
them.
F
Next
I
asking
you
to
explicitly
name
direct
harms
tied
to
those
policies
that
will
cause
to
those
harms.
Excuse
me
explicitly
name
those
harms
caused
by
those
policies,
procedures
and
practices.
Thirdly,
I
asking
you
all
to
request
that
the
Carter
Development
Group
come
back
and
give
theire
presentation
in
its
entirety
to
this
commission
for
the
body
and
the
community
to
have
a
full
understanding
of
their
scope
of
work
for
the
stop.
F
I
think
that
this
is
an
incredible
opportunity
for
our
community
and
for
our
nation,
because
the
nation
is
watching
this
very
process.
It
is
not
an
easy
process.
It's
not
easy
to
have
your
works
scrutinized.
It
is
very
important
work
and
I
really
appreciate
everybody
around
the
table
and
those
who
regularly
attend.
My
fellow
you
know
folks,
my
co-workers
at
the
city
who
regularly
attend
these
meetings,
because
we
this
project
means
a
lot
to
all
of
us
and
I
know
it's
a
tough
load
to
all,
but
it's
important
and
it's
appreciated.
Thank
you.
I
Miss
Bailey,
would
you
please
forward
your
comments
to
me.
Y
I
Y
X
X
Get
hello
everyone
I'm
promise
I'm
the
new
director
of
the
Kayla
program,
which
is
the
city
of
Ashville,
youth
leadership,
academy
and
I
I,
had
a
question
and
I
also
just
I
had
a
comment
as
well:
I,
don't
think
that
we
have
given
up
on
you
guys
I
think
if
you
rename
it
it
will
make
us
question
what
you
have
been
doing
for
the
last
two
years,
so
I
think
keeping
the
reparation
name
is
very
powerful.
I
do
I
wasn't.
This
is
my
first
meeting
by
the
way
I
did
want
to.
X
I
You,
those
are
the
two
that
we
have.
Four
were
originally
that
the
two
signed
up
for
public
comment.
Our
next
meeting
is
October
the
16th
there's
a
su
on
October.
The
7th
see
you
there
is
there
a
motion
to
adjourn.