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B
Good
morning,
I'm
chair,
barry,
bialik
and
I'd
like
to
welcome
you
to
the
july
1
2021,
affordable
housing,
advisory
committee
meeting,
all
committee
members
and
staff
are
participating
virtually.
We
appreciate
your
patience
as
we
work
through
committee
meetings
a
bit
differently.
We
are
hoping
to
be
live
in
our
next
august.
Meeting.
B
We're
streaming
live
on
our
virtual
engagement
hub,
which
is
accessible
through
the
virtual
engagement
hub
link
on
the
front
page
of
the
city
website,
and
also
linked
on
our
committee
web
page.
We
also
have
an
option
for
the
public
to
listen
and
comment
live
by
phone
for
that.
Please
dial,
855-925-2801
and
use
meeting
code
7663
to
listen
in
for
those
of
you
out
there
with
us
today.
Welcome
we'll
now
go
through
and
introduce
all
the
committee
members
who
are
participating
virtually
please
make
sure
to
mute
your
microphone.
D
C
F
B
B
D
J
B
Welcome
to
recording,
unless
I'm
missing
anyone
out
there.
If
you
do
please
say
hello,
it
looks
like
I'm
looking
for
duano
zakiyah
joe,
amber
anyone
out.
B
There
not
look
good
and
do
we
have
councilwoman
mosley.
Did
she
call
in
or
not
today?
B
I
don't
think
so.
Welcome
committee
members
welcome
community
development
staff.
I
believe
we
have.
I
know
I
saw
paul
joining
us
and
the
angel
kid.
B
B
E
Have
I'd
like
to
ask
about
the
update
on
319
biltmore.
L
A
B
B
Okay,
is
it
is
it
about
the
same
as
the
first
one,
or
was
it
modified.
L
Basically,
exactly
the
same,
except
walking
with
the
parameters
that
have
been
discussed
about
possible
some
kind
of
compromise
between
what
we
put
on
the
ground,
which
was
forgiving
after
30
years
and
changing
that
to
forgiving
after
15.,
otherwise
trying
to
keep
everything
the
same.
G
D
L
D
A
A
B
Okay,
any
of
the
other.
You
have
any
comments
or
any
questions
on
any
of
the
other
updates.
Besides
the
standard
ones,
the
pdbg
or
the
cd
homeless.
Does
anyone
have
any
questions
or
paul
anything?
You
want
to
say
about
those.
E
Paul
what
is
going
on
with
yesterday,
of
course
it
hit
the
news
that
a
lot
of
these
people,
the
homeless,
had
been
moved
out
of
the
hotel
or
motel
that
they
were
staying
in,
and
the
news
media
said
that
some
people
did
not
have
a
place
to
go,
and
then
I
heard
later
on
that
they
did,
they
did
provide
places
for
them
to
go.
Can
you
update
that.
L
Sure,
I
think
in
the
updates
for
cv,
cbg
cv
updates
it
talks
about
about
150
people
have
cycled
through
the
red
roof
inn
which
was
set
up
specifically
for
the
covet
response,
and
I
think
about
40
folks
moved
to
permanent
supportive
housing.
I
think,
as
of
tuesday
wednesday,
when
our
contract
with
was
up
with
red
roof
inn
as
we're
moving
away
from
cobit,
there
were
about
50
folks
left.
L
L
We've
had
some
folks
who
are
actually
transitioning
with
family
members,
which
is
great
some
folks
who
may
elect
to
not
go
to
a
shelter
or
permanence
of
housing
and
may
go
back
to
doing
their
individual
wishes,
and
so
right
now,
I
think
about
50
people
exited
yesterday,
again
everyone
with
a
housing
plan,
but
that
housing
plan
doesn't
necessarily
mean
permanent
housing.
L
They
continue
to
work
with
homeward
bound
through
that
transition
and
case
management,
and
so
we'll,
hopefully
follow
some
of
those
folks
and
be
able
to
report
more
in
the
updates.
B
Nope,
okay,
cool
all
right,
so
we
have,
let's
see
our
list
of
available
homes
that
are
less
than
275
000.
So
there's
a
few
more
than
last
time,
but
still
it's
kind
of
slim
pickings
and
definitely
you
know,
construction
costs
are
still
astronomical,
they've
that,
like
some
of
the
lumber
futures,
started
to
come
down,
but
it
hasn't
really
shown
up
in
lumber.
Yet
so
it's
been
a
difficult
game
out
there.
B
I
didn't
have
notice
at
least
more
like
there's
with
covet
ending.
There
seems
to
be
at
least
more
people
like
some
more
inventory
of
houses
being
listed,
which
is
good.
You
know,
I've
noticed
a
little
bit
uptick
in
that
any
other
any
on
the
list
of
houses
of
two
set
lists
and
275
for
for
sale
and
condos
and
for
con
under
contract.
Any
questions
or
comments
on
that.
B
Okay,
when
we
have
the
kind
of
the
regional
sales
reports
about
hong
kong
and
asheville,
so
average
prices
are
at
sky
sky.
High
news,
you
know
new
highs,
it's
gonna,
be
you
know
it's.
It's
such
a
such
a
challenge.
We
have
for
for
affordable
home
ownership
for
how
to
help
turn
that,
and
I
mean
it's,
it's
so
frustrating
and
something
that
we've.
You
know
we
use
a
committee
and
the
city's
focused
on
for
years,
but
affordable
home
ownership
is
becoming
even
more
and
more
elusive.
B
J
Yeah
I'll
just
had
a
quick
personal
anecdote,
a
house
that
I
was
recently
renting,
recently
sold
for
forty
thousand
over
and
it
was
already
listed
at
over
four
hundred
thousand.
J
B
K
K
Level
or
you
know
local
landlord,
but
international
national
companies,
and
then
the
second
is
conversion
of
these
properties
into
airbnb,
short-term
rentals
and
I'm
just
trying
it
seems
well.
I
know
we're
tracking
home
prices
and
availability
and
we're
just.
K
There's
some
way
we
could
either
pull
realtors
or
go
through
the
register.
You
know
registering
homes
because
they'd
be
when
they
registered
the
property.
It
obviously
would
be
registered
under
a
corporate
name
rather
than
an
individual's
name
or
a
trust,
just
just
knowing
just
kind
of
keeping
our
hands
on
that
to
see
how
big
an
issue
it
is
going
forward.
B
Yeah
I
was
reading
an
article.
Is
that
my
background,
or
I'm
sorry,
I
mean
there's
there
are
companies
getting
around
the
short-term
rental
method
by
purchasing
them
and
then
doing
time
then
doing
time
shares.
So
it's
a
fractional
ownership
of
vacation
rentals,
it's
coming
out
in
california.
Now,
there's
one
company,
that's
been
doing
that
and-
and
I've
heard
some-
you
know
rumbling
about
that
as
an
option
here,
because
you
know
with
with
the
city
not
allowing
short-term
rentals
of
full
homes.
B
You
know
I
have
heard
discussion
of
people
suggesting
to
buy
homes
under
a
corporate
name
and
then,
rather
than
it
be
a
short-term
rental
using
it
as
a
time
share,
you
know
like
or
fractional
ownership,
but
I
haven't
I
haven't
seen.
I
haven't
seen
a
specific
case
of
that.
You
know.
The
only
thing
personally
I
can
share
is
that
you
know
the
development
I'm
doing
in
south
asheville,
which
was
of
you
know
reasonably
priced
home
ownership.
B
A
bulk
of
the
units
are
being
purchased
set
by
an
investor
for
rental,
but
it's
it's
at
least
it's
a
it's
a
local
investor,
but
it
they
a
bulk
of
you,
know
bulk
of
units
that
were
meant
for
individual
buyers.
You
know
because
that,
as
that,
at
that
price
point
it's
sometimes
it's
the
hardest
to
qualify
for,
as
we
know
so,
they're
more
there.
You
know,
there's
been
a
lot
of
interest
in
rental
and
mostly
local
folks,
paul.
C
Yes
thanks,
I
you
know
I
can
tell
similar
stories.
I
work
with
customers.
You
know
all
the
time.
Some
investors,
some
lots
of
locals
and
people
moving
from
out
of
town,
but
it's
all
anecdotal.
M
C
Like
that's,
I
don't
know
how
we
find
out
like
what
the
numbers
are,
what
percentage
of
our
homes
are
being
purchased
by
folks
from
out
of
town,
whether
they're
going
to
live
in
those
homes
or
rent
them?
You
know
it
shows
up.
It
shows
up
a
year
a
year
later
on
their
schedule
e
on
their
tax
return,
but
obviously
we're
not
going
to
see
that
either.
So
I
don't
know
how
to
find
out.
Does
anyone
have
any
insight
to
that
like?
Is
there
anyone
putting
this
data
together.
E
I'm
not
putting
the
data
together,
but
I
am
tracking
the
property
transfers
every
sunday
paper
every
week,
but
it's
hard
to
tell
when
you
see
the
llc's,
whether
that's
going
for
someone
who's
building
us.
You
know
something
or
if
it's
someone
that's
going
to
make
an
investment
and
then
turn
around
and
rent
it
or
divide
it
up.
It
doesn't
state
that
it's
just
literally
the
property
transfer
from
one,
but
when
it
goes
to
an
llc,
it
makes
me
you
know
question
it.
J
J
I
can
put
a
link
in
the
chat.
The
uncc
urban
institute
highlighted
all
of
the
properties
owned
by
quote
unquote:
big
investment
firms
in
charlotte.
Interestingly,
it
was
this
huge
arc
that
corresponds
with
what's
called
the
and
I
lived
in
it.
The
crescent
of
poverty
over
the
dome
of
wealth.
I'll
put
that
in
the
chat
shortly.
K
Hey
marjorie,
if
you
could
send
me
that
list
of
all
that
you've
been
tracking
on
the
property
transfers,
I'll
just
go
through
and
look
them
up
and
see
how
many
of
them
are
out
of
area
owners
and
we'll
just
do
it
as
a
sample
I'll
go
back
and
do
two
months
worth
of
data.
Just
looking
up
all
the
llc's
and
corporate
names
to
see
where
their
their
resident,
because
it'll
be
on
their
property
tax
record.
Where
you
know
where
the
bill
is
going.
B
One
thing
that
you
could
do
you
know
if
you
I
mean
if
someone
wanted
to
tackle
it
brian,
you
know
you
could
do
this.
If
you
want
to
kind
of
dive
into
some
data
on
specifically
on
that
list,
we
provide
like
the
list
of
the
houses
that
close
less
than
275
thousand
dollars.
You
know
that
would
be
a
sample
because
that's
then
very
you
know
specific
to
our
our
mission
here.
B
B
We
were
trying
to
do
an
adu
study
several
years
back
for
you
know
for
the
committee,
and
there
was
no
data
through
development
services
or
planning.
So
we
you
know,
I
had
my
my
staff,
the
the
was
trying
to
determine
adus
how
people
were
financing
them
and
what
were
permitted.
So
what
we
did
is
I
had
one
of
my
staff
members.
B
B
If
they
did
cash-
and
you
know
I
remember
the
result
we
came
up
with-
was
that
almost
all
of
the
adus
that
were
built
that
particular
year
were
almost
all
cash,
so
it
showed
you
know
showing
that
the
adu
you
know
is
a
great
tool
that
one
of
the
you
know
is
definitely
easier
to
do.
For
someone
who's
got
a
lot
of
equity.
It's
not
an
easy
tool,
for
you
know
affordable
housing,
but
that
was
you
know.
That
was
an
interesting.
B
It
was
a
lot
of
data
diving
we
had
to
do,
but
it
was
an
interesting
experiment
and
that-
and
I
don't
think
development
services
has
started
tracking
exactly
adus
yet,
but
they
said
they
were
going
to
start
that
because
right
now,
there's
no
difference
in
permit
for
an
adu
or
for
just
like
a
single
family,
but
I
think
they
were.
They
were
going
to
add
that
tracking
in,
but
they
have
not
yet
that
I
know
of.
B
But
you
know
if
you,
if
and
if
you
want
yeah
a
deeper,
that
I
think
that
275
the
list
of
closed
houses
has
mls
numbers.
So
I
could
send
you
a
more
detailed
report.
If
you
want.
D
A
K
Whatever
data
I
get
I'll
go
through
and
just
look
them
up
and
just
be
able
to
see,
but
I
think
just
be
good
I'll
report
back
in
the
next
meeting.
Just
what
we
find
I'll
do
back
the
last
three
months
and
just
see
you
know
how
much
activity
there
is.
B
B
Just
curious
andy:
what
is
your
like?
What
is
the
pipeline
for
habitat
right
now.
H
We've
seen
a
real
spike
in
applications
over
the
last
several
months
and
in
fact
we
really
for
the
first
time
ever
had
to
briefly
suspend
our
application
process.
We've
got
a
full
pipeline
of
folks
for
the
homes
we're
gonna
build
in
the
coming
year,
which
is
you
know
really
further
out
than
we
typically
are,
so
we're
definitely
seeing
a
spike
in
in
demand
and
and
a
lot
of
demand
from
folks
who
you
know
who
are
who
are
qualified
qualified
applicants
on
our
part.
So
not
you
know.
H
Sometimes
we
struggle
to
to
get
you
know
not
only
applicants
but
qualified
applicants,
but
we're
we're
not
having
any
trouble
at
all,
and
I
think
that
really
also
speaks
to
what
we're
seeing
in
the
housing
market.
You
know
more
folks
are
looking
at,
are
interested
in
home
ownership
and
and
seeing
you
know
nothing
on
the
in
the
private
market
at
their
price
range
and
and
looking
forward,
affordable
housing
developers
to
to
meet
their.
H
B
Yeah,
I
saw
open
doors
the
non-profit
had
reached
out
to
me
and
they're
they're
working
on
putting
together
a
survey
of
their
clients
and
they
and
they
and
it
was
about
a
housing-
needs
a
housing
need
I'll.
I
don't,
I
think,
they're
like
still
putting
that
together,
but
I've
seen
but
I'll
share
that
there
was
some
interesting
from
the
first
little
sample.
I
bet
there's
some
interesting
feedback.
B
I
saw
in
it
just
about
people
having
trouble
either
for
like
mountain
mountain
housings,
or
even
they
mentioned
like
habitats
programs
that
they've
had
trouble
with
them,
but
I'll
I'll
share
that
with
you.
I
thought
it
was
interesting.
B
One
of
the
new
reports
we
have
is
from
the
housing
authority.
I
was
reading
through
it.
I
didn't
you
know
it's
kind
of
a
new
report.
Brandy,
can
you
kind
of
give
us
a
rundown
of
what
what
we're
looking
at
so
we
can
understand
the
data
we're
seeing.
I
I
Can
everybody
hear
me?
Okay,
okay,
I
just
want
to
make
sure
okay
just
wanted
to
make
sure
okay,
so
I
don't
know
if
you
can
see
that,
but
but
so
total
amount
of
vouchers
that
hud
has
allotted
to
us
is
the
3307
and
that's
with
all
of
our
different
programs
and
voucher
types.
I
What
we
actually
have
the
budget
for
are
3054
vouchers
and
we
are
currently
leased
at
2925
vouchers,
so
we
do
still
have
some
some
wiggle
room
to
get
leased
up.
We
do
have
135
vouchers
out
and
assigned
looking
in
the
community
right
now
and
that's
we
cover
buncombe
county
city
of
nashville
and
then
the
rest
on
this
report
is
just
kind
of
our
monthly
checkup
with
that
you
guys
probably
aren't
real
interested
in
and
actually
what
we
do.
I
The
only
other
thing
you
might
be
there's
a
column
to
the
top
right
that
says,
mobility
moves
and
that
is
actually
moves
that
are
from
one
of
our
developments
out
into
the
private
landlord
community,
so
they're
taking
their
project-based
voucher
and
they
have
requested
a
tenant-based
voucher
and
they
are
using
that
with
a
private
landlord
in
the
community.
I
H
N
I
I
N
So
I
guess
I'm
curious
since
there
are,
you
know,
you've
got
135
people
that
are
currently
looking
or
135
current
voucher
holders.
So
for
those
that
again
who
are
transitioning
from
the
project
base
to
the
tenant
base,
I
I
would
be
curious
about
how
many
of
those
end
up
like
changing
their
minds
or
turning
the
tenant
base
vouchers
back
in
for
their
inability
to
be
able
to
find
things.
N
Just
okay!
So
if,
if
the,
if
the
project-based
voucher
holders
are
not
leaving,
you
know
their
units
with
the
tenant-based
vouchers
and
a
new
landlord
lined
up
and
they're
135
people
with
the
vouchers
that
are
currently
looking
and
they're
going
into
that
pool,
you
know
how
many
of
them
are
actually
having
to
stay
where
they
are
for
lack
of
being
able
to
find.
You
know
a
unit
with
a
with
a
private
landlord
who's
going
to
rent
to
them.
I
So
our
success
rates
are
at
about
50,
so
about
50
of
the
people
that
are
issued
a
voucher
are
not
finding
a
place
and
are
staying
where
they're
at,
and
you
know
some
of
our
folks
are
saying
they're
at
because
once
they
see
what
the
market
looks
like
and
you
know
all
of
our
project-based
development
units,
you
know
all
utilities
are
included,
you
know,
and
when
you
go
out
into
the
private
market
I
mean
most
landlords,
don't
include
utilities,
you
pay
your
own
utility.
I
So
there's
there's
some
that,
like
that,
that
you
know
the
market
is
not
what
they
thought
it
was
going
to
be
and
or
they're.
You
know
it's
better
to
stay
where
they're
at
it
works
better
for
them
or
they
don't
want
to
move.
You
know,
like
you
said
if
you
find
a
unit
it's
way
out
in
the
county
and
so
far
from
all
of
your
support
services
and
your
support
systems.
That's
not
a
great
move
for
you.
N
Right,
one
more
quick
question:
sorry
to
hold
things
up
guys,
so
I'm
assuming
since
they're
guaranteed
the
ability
to
be
able
to
go
from
project-based
to
tenant-based.
Then
when
they
inform
you
that
they're
ready
to
do
that,
they
take
priority
over
anyone
who
would
be
on
the
waiting
list
for
a
voucher.
I
Correct
they
have,
they
have
their
top
preference
right.
We
actually
pull
that
list,
they
apply
once
their
year
is
up
and
they
apply.
We
actually
pull
that
list
every
month,
so
we
pull
every
month
we're
pulling
almost
every
month
we're
pulling
that
full
list.
But
it's
it's
pretty
a
pretty
quick
process
for
them
to
get
that
voucher.
B
I
So
that
is
rad
rental
assistance
demonstration,
and
that
is
what
we
converted
all
of
our
public
housing
from
in
2014
and
then
project-based
lh
is
lifehouse,
which
is
a
project-based
apartment
complex
in
south
asheville.
It's
on
hendersonville
road
behind
cinemark.
If
you're
and
then
bash
is
our
veterans,
affairs,
supportive,
housing
vouchers.
I
Ned
is
our
non-elderly
disabled
vouchers
and
that
has
to
be
head
of
household
non-elderly.
Disabled
mainstream
is
also
non-elderly
disabled,
but
that
can
be
any
member
of
the
household
in
order
to
qualify
and
then
others,
just
all
of
our
other,
just
regular
tenant-based.
M
Hi,
I'm
curious
about
the
y'all.
Have
the
home
ownership
program
as
well,
and
eight
people
are
able
to
transition
into
home
ownership
using
their
vouchers
or
through
the
family
self-sufficiency
program,
and
so
with
that
one?
How
often
are
what
does
the
numbers
look
like
for
that
program,
specifically
around
the
home
ownership?
Are
you
getting
a
lot
of
those
turned
in
returned
as
well?
Is
the
numbers
similar.
I
So
we
currently
have
six,
I
and
I
someone
separately
reports
but
on
that
one,
but
we
currently,
I
believe,
have
61
homeowners
on
the
program
and
that
works
a
little
bit
differently,
because,
yes,
they
do
have
to
have
a
voucher,
but
they
can.
I
If
someone
is
working
with
our
home
ownership
program
or
team,
they
can
just
transfer
into
the
home
ownership
program
if
they've
been
on
the
project
base
for
a
year,
so
a
little
bit
different,
because
with
these
other
vouchers,
you
have
a
certain
amount
of
time
that
you
have
to
use
your
voucher
before
it
expires
with
the
home
ownership.
It
doesn't
you
you
can
use
that.
But
yes,
I
think
that
they
have
been
getting
a
lot
of
applications,
but
again
that
slowed
down
some
too
because
of
the
affordability
aspect.
I
F
I
So
we
issue
vouchers
for
90
days
and
then
they
can
request
one
90-day
extension
for
a
total
of
180
days,
which
most
of
the
folks
that
we
work
with,
do,
go
ahead
and
ex
request
that,
because
a
lot
of
times
it
takes
them.
So
we
find
that
it
either
takes
them
less
than
30
days
or
close
to
up
to
the
180,
because
if
they've
kind
of
already
been
looking
before,
they
got
their
voucher
and
they
they
have
a
place,
lined
up
it's
a
quicker
process.
But
then
you
know
a
lot
of
folks.
A
B
G
Hi,
yes,
just
curious.
If
I
wanted
to
learn
a
little
bit
more
about
the
homeownership
program,
who
would
I
talk
to
I'm
just
curious
to
see
to
to
to
learn
really
how
that
work?
What
the
process
is
eligibility
criteria
and
so
on.
I
Sure
so
currently
shonda
sanford
and
I
can
put
her
email
information
in
the
in
the
chat
box
for
everyone,
and
I
can
also
shoot
you
an
email
separately
if
you'd
like.
B
B
You
know
in
the
past
year
and
some
examples
like
property
examples,
so
we
can
really
look
at
what
there
is
and
how
they've
made
that
work
to
see
what
you
know
what
what's
been
successful,
so
we
can
see
how
we
can
prioritize
doing
more
of
those
absolutely
no.
This
is
great.
I
really
yeah.
I
really.
B
I
Right,
I
I
mean
that
is
the
quicker
process.
We
do
pull
from
our
tenant
base,
because
there
are
some
people
that
apply
just
for
the
tenant
base,
voucher
and
but
that's
a
much
longer
wait
list.
So,
yes,
they
do
have
to
live
in
one
of
our
pbv
developments
for
a
year,
and
that
is
actually
the
faster
way
to
get
a
tenant
base.
Voucher.
B
One
of
the
you
know
on
the
project
I
talked
about
where
one
of
mine,
where
the
investor
is
buying
several
for
rental,
there's,
also
a
local.
You
know,
I
guess
philanthropic
investors
the
best
way
to
put
it
it's
a
lady
who's,
buying
four
buying
two
duplexes
in
my
project,
four
four
units
and
she's
converting
them
to
affordable
housing,
herself
and
she's.
Her
plan
is
to
you
know,
I
think,
she's
accepting
kind
of
choice
vouchers.
She
went
through
the
thrive
program,
and
so
you
know
so
it
is.
B
It
is
good
to
know
that
there
are,
you
know,
as
there
are
like
investors.
Looking
for
money
return,
there's
also
investors.
Looking
for
philanthropic,
you
know
just
good
good
vibes
return,
karma
return,
and
you
know
so
I
think
yeah.
I
heard
she
was
just
that
that
was
just
approved
through
the
thrive
program
and
I
think
those
are
going
to
be
available.
B
Oh,
that's
great,
so
those
like
in
that
particular
case
like
so
that
was
like
a
new
landlord
signing
up,
is
that
ones
that
people
can
apply
direct
through
for
a
tenant,
voucher
or
those
ones
that
they
would
generally
come
from
for
your
project
base.
I'm
just
more
curious
about
this
process.
It
is
new
to
me
kind
of
fascinating.
B
E
B
M
So
on
your
pvc,
like
for
people
trying
to
get
into
your
project
into
the
housing
and
so
that
they
can
get
access
to
the
tenant-based
vouchers,
they're
still
a
waiting
list
for
like
given
it's
like
are
y'all
still
limited
on
the
amount
of
units
as
well
that
you
have
available.
I
Yes,
I
mean
I
and
I
I
don't
report
on
that.
I
could
certainly
get
that
information
for
you
how
much.
But
yes,
we
do
still
have
a
wait
list.
Our
longest
wait
list
is
for
one
bedroom
units.
The
two
and
three
bedroom
units
go
a
little
bit
faster,
but
I
would
like
I
said
I
could
absolutely
get
you
those
numbers
I
don't
want
to
of
of
how
long
the
weights
are
for
those
but
yeah.
There
is
a
wait
list.
B
Yeah,
I
think
that
would
be
really
cool
good
data
for
us
to
have
as
well
yeah
to
see
so
like
a
there's,
135
or
how
vouchers
are
looking,
but
also
know
what
the
waitlist
is
and
what
that
unit
breakdown
is.
So
I
think
that
would
that
would
be
very
helpful.
That's
one
we've
always
heard
about,
but
I
think
knowing
that
data,
what
the
unit
breakdown
is
would
be
really
helpful.
I
O
Hey
barry
it's
paul
here.
Can
you
hear
me
yep?
I
just
wanted
to
say
a
special
thank
you
to
brandy
and
from
the
community
development
division.
This
is
the
type
of
conversation
we
really
wanted
to
have
about
vouchers,
so
randy
we're
really
grateful
as
well
as
this
reporting
monthly
and
taking
a
look
at
that
data.
Briefly,
if
135
vouchers
are
on
the
street
about
50,
if
I'm
following
get
returned
on
average
we're
talking
about
60
65
folks
who
grab
a
voucher
180
days
later,
they
still
can't
find
it.
O
So
that's
why
the
importance
of
two
things,
the
city
not
only
requiring
it,
but
also
trying
to
find
a
way
to
incentivize
it,
and
then
we
have
been
working
with
wlos,
with
several
of
our
voucher
partners
to
pitch
a
story
about
the
solutions
from
the
community
where
we
need
more
folks
in
the
community
who
happen
to
be
landlords
or
apartment
complexes,
to
accept
housing,
choice,
vouchers
and
learn
more
about
the
program,
because
it's
really
it's
sad
to
see.
Somebody
hit
that
voucher
in
the
community.
O
I
B
Paul
that
is
yeah.
I
really
appreciate
this
and
it
is
a
valuable
addition
to
to
what
we
do
in
this
data.
Thank
you.
You
know
I'll
bring
it
up
later
because
it
kind
of
there's
a
conversation.
We
started
in
our
overall
last
meetings
that
I
was
that
about
what
sort
of
like,
because
right
now,
as
we
know
like
for
most
lan,
you
know
for
most
new
landlords
to
get
the
benefits
that
this
you
know
the
city
might
have
for
offering
affordable
housing,
there's,
usually
long-term
commitments
or
there's
deed
restrictions
for
20
years.
B
That
have
to
do
to
do
that.
I
wonder
if
there's
any
more
like
project-based,
I
don't
know
incentives
or
something
that
we
can
just
discuss,
because
there
might
be
more
landlords.
You
know
if
there's
like
some
incentive
for
additional
incentives
for
taking
vouchers
that
can
be
offered
to
landlords
that
don't
that,
then
they
don't
have
to
make
long-term
long-term
commitments
there
might
be.
You
might
be
more
landlords
willing
to
kind
of
try
this
out,
and
you
know
I
think,
that's
what
thrive
is
starting,
but
I
don't
think
this.
B
I
don't
think
the
city
from
what
I'm
looking
and
I
don't
think
the
city
has
any
programs,
even
fee
rebates,
even
minor
fee
rebates,
unless
there's
like
a
long
term,
at
least
there's
at
least
a
20-year
affordability
deed
restriction
is
that
is
that
accurate
paul?
I
don't
I
I
I
don't
see
any
incentives
that
don't
have
a
20-year
and
d
commitment.
Is
that
accurate,
or
am
I
misreading
something.
O
Yeah
we
are
asking
any
folks
to
come
to
us
for
subsidy,
whether
it
be
trust
fund
or
landing
center
grant
or
fee
rebates.
We
are
asking
for
that:
minimum
20
level
or
20
year,
affordability
period.
B
Yeah
that
might
be
you
know
there
might
be
a
big
discussion
point
moving
forward,
like
maybe
half
the
incentives
for
half
the
time.
You
know
that's
a
20
years
is
a
long
time
to
commit
to
something,
and
sometimes
the
returns
are
not
that
great.
You
know
I
was
looking
at
the
you
know.
The
fee
rebate
is
up
for
discussion
and
I
was
you
know
re-reading
through
that
policy.
That's
that
it's
you
know,
there's
not
much
benefits.
You
know
the
the
financial
return
for
doing
you
know
from
a
fury.
Bait
is
pretty
minor.
B
Considering
you
know
what
you're,
what
the
you
know
20-year
commitment
someone's
making
anyway,
I
think
I
think
that
I
think
that's
something
that
could
be
open
for
discussion
like
a
lesser
term
for
lesser
incentive.
B
All
right
well
great,
I
guess
we'll
you
know,
move
on
to
our
next
item,
so
our
I
think
what
I'm
gonna
do
are.
I
did
not
I'm
sorry.
I
did
not
reach
out
to
everyone
and
set
up
anything
for
task
forces,
but
we
really
do
need
to
do
this.
I've
been
kind
of
sourcing
for
some
other
people
to
join.
Do
we?
B
Can
we
right
now
like
work
out
a
date
for
each
of
like
a
separate
meeting
date
that
those
on
the
you
know
the
build
committee
and
those
on
the
connect
can
can
set
up
for
this
sometime
july?
You
know
it
doesn't
have
to
be
the
way
we're
setting
up
the
it
doesn't
have
to
be
public
meetings.
It's
just
a
task
force
meeting,
but
if
you
can
all
you
know,
look
at
your
calendars,
it'd
be
great
to
just
kind
of
maybe
get
that
set
up
some
dates
that
would
work.
H
Hey
barry
would
it
be
possible
to
get
an
email,
a
list
of
the
names
and
contact
information
of
who's
on
each
one
of
those
two
subcommittees
or
task
forces?
Sorry,
I
I
think
it's
probably
easier
for
us
to
schedule
that
if
we
know
you
know
who's
there,
if
we
can
do
that
offline.
B
J
H
Okay-
and
I
can
do
that
for
connect-
if
we,
if
you
give
me
the
the
contact
information
for
the
folks
on
that
group,.
B
Okay,
I'll
get
that
out,
I
think
so
any
updates
on
the
planning
open
space
committee
is.
It
met
again.
E
It
has
we
met
yesterday
and
we
made
some
progress,
but
then
sometimes
I
think
we're
taking
a
few
steps
back,
not
everybody
was
there
and
so
well.
Some
of
the
decisions
or
suggestions
that
we
came
up
with
have
to
go
back
to
the
forestry
commission,
the
urban
forestry
commission,
because
they
have
a
large
say
in
what
goes
on,
but
sometimes
we
make
progress
and
sometimes
we
don't
we're
not
we're
not
ready
to
close
out
the
meeting.
Yet
I
don't
know
scott.
What
do
you
think.
J
Yeah
I'll
I'll
diplomatically
add
that
ufc,
the
urban
forestry
commission
is
insisting
on,
I
guess,
having
a
either
a
final
say
on
some
of
the
considerations,
namely
for
adding
open
space
requirements
in
the
rad
form
based
code
district,
which
already
has
its
own
language,
on
open
space,
largely
on
the
the
river
on
the
greenway
in
nearby
parks.
J
Just
stating
look
if
we
can
get
a
show
of
hands
on
the
consensus
minus
one
group.
I've
also
pointed
out
to
city
staff
that
all
the
other
groups
have
two
members
and
the
ufc
technically
has
four
members.
One
member
has
an
overlap
with
the
cult
was
neighborhood
advisory
committee
or
commission.
J
So
I've
pointed
that
out
and
have
just
alerted
that
you
know
city
staff
to
at
least
for
lack
of
a
better
word
kind
of
police
that
in
terms
of
voices
and
numbers,
but
yeah,
the
two
biggest
things
are
open
space
and
the
rad
and
also,
I
think,
there's
just
a
general
feeling
of
scope
creep
from
the
ufc
pushing
forestry
and
tree
issues
into
open
space,
which
are
two
different
things.
So.
E
B
Have
they
I'm
just
curious
if
they
are
have
those
been
in
person?
Are
those
are
those
for
those
in
meetings.
F
F
I
represent
the
development
services
group
on
that
committee
as
well
so,
but
I
I
do
feel
like
it's
the
the
voice
of
trying
to
find
the
barriers
and
challenges
in
the
ordinance
associated
with
open
space
as
it
relates
to
cost
effective
development
are
being
flushed
out
and
getting
a
louder
voice.
F
So
I
feel
like,
as
it
relates
to
this
board
and
the
goals
of
this
board
and
the
goals
of
affordable
housing
for
the
city.
I
feel
like
the
voice
is
in
there
and
and
it's
making
we're
it's
we're
in
the
middle
of
it.
H
B
All
right
next
up,
so
you
know
so
we're
going
to
be
doing.
You
know
we
traditionally
in
the
past,
like
a
lot
of
housing,
trust
fund
applications
and
luigi
applications
have
have
they've
kind
of
been
mentioned
in
some
community
development
updates.
We
always
haven't
seen
the
applications.
B
So
we
have
the
opportunity
with
in
this
meeting
there's
you
know,
there's
two
return:
applications
one's
a
return,
application
for
sure
going
in
the
housing
trust
fund
for
the
kirk
booth's
garage
conversions.
So
we
have
so
we
have.
You
know
that
housing
trust
fund
application
is
you
know
in
our
packet?
So
we
have
the
ability
to
discuss
that,
and
you
know
ask
any
questions
discuss
amongst
ourselves.
B
This
is
one
that
it's
been
kind
of
around
a
while,
and
this
is
you
know
this
actually
is
one
of
the
example
of
why
we,
as
a
committee
insisted
we
wanted
to
have
some
due
diligence
standards,
because
I
remember
when
this
remember
when
this
came
through
years
ago,
and
it
didn't
necessarily
sustain
our
committee
very
well,
and
I
knew
that
at
the
time
something
was
being
allocated.
Housing
trust
means
that
zoning
did
not
allow
like
it
just
I
knew
it
did
not
allow
it.
So
it's
kind
of
installed
for
that
for
years.
B
So
it's
good
that
and
I
think,
there's
now
he's
been
able
to
work
through
some
of
that
and
there's
been
some.
I
don't
know
changes,
but
you
know
it's.
This
is
a
good
example
of
a
project
that
why
our
committee
members
might
be
able
to
offer
some
input
to
to
round
out
a
staff
report
before
it
goes
to
hcd,
and
then
funding
can
get
allocated
first
for
a
project,
that's
not
possibly
feasible
yet
or
years
out
looks
like
we
have.
B
I
see
jeff
there
was
that
looks
like
he's.
Probably
a
representative
of
kirk
gazette
is
that
right.
F
Yeah,
I
just
wanted
to
to
speak
real,
quick
and-
and
I'm
relatively
new
to
this
board.
My
second
meeting,
but
my
office
has
worked
on
both
of
the
items
a
and
b
on
new
business,
and
so
I
don't
know
in
terms
of
what
our,
how
our
advisory
group
works
and
what
our
recommendations
are.
But
I
wanted
to
point
that
out
and
we'll
kind
of
defer
to
your
guidance.
B
Yeah
we
appreciate
it,
we're
you
know,
we're
kind
of
a
guidance.
We
don't
actually
are
we.
You
know
we
make
recommendations
as
advisors,
but
we
don't
really
make
policy,
but
it's
good,
but
I
think
you
know
you're
sort
of
your
insight
and
this
will
be
good.
You
know
will
be
helpful
and
and
then
just
understanding
like
the
history
of
this
and
then
how
you
know
what
our
goal
is,
how
when
we
get
when
we
see
these
applications
come
through,
how
can
we?
B
How
can
we
make
sure
that
the
these
are
things
that
can
actually
get
funded?
You
know,
there's
we've
seen
several
come
through
over
the
years
or
even
recently
ones
that
came
through
that
you
know
I
would
have
automatically
questioned
how
that
was
even
financially
feasible
and
sure
enough
yeah
they've
had
to
pull
back
out
because
it's
not
financially
feasible.
So
I
think,
there's
you
know
with
the
depth
of
experience.
We
have
in
our
broad
range
of
experience.
B
P
Sure
happy
too
barry
and
I'm
on
to
sheila
o'brien,
I'm
on
her
computer.
Today.
Somebody
sees
that
name
pop
up
sheila's,
my
wife
and
she
anyhow,
but
I'm
me
so
and
good
to
see
some
faces
that
I
that
I
recognize.
D
P
Some
that
I
don't
thanks
for
letting
me
be
here
representing
kirk.
This
is
a
as
as
barry
said
in
2017,
you
know
actually
was
may
of
of
2018
kirk
actually
had
a
housing
trust
fund
application
submitted,
which
went
through
the
the
approval
process
and
and
actually
was
approved
by
the
hcd
committee
for
525
000
to
convert
21
garages
into
single
bedroom
apartments
on
existing
projects.
P
The
six
of
those
units
were
actually
did
not
need
a
rezoning,
but
but
15
did
and
although
kirk
has
worked
with
the
city
over
the
three
year
period,
there
there
are,
even
though,
in
some
circles,
conversion
of
of
garages
or
this
guy
is
like
the
easiest
route,
cost-effective
already
existing
property,
no
displacement,
easiest
route
to
affordability
and,
as
some
of
you
may
know,
there's
actually
some
action.
P
It
hasn't
passed,
but
some
action
both
in
north
carolina
and
nationally
to
to
try
to
make
this
kind
of
of
conversion
easier
from
a
regulatory
standpoint,
particularly
in
north
carolina.
P
As
of
as
of
now,
there's
no,
you
know
there's
no
legislation
that
has
passed
that
allows
us
in
north
carolina
to
be
able
to
make
this
kind
of
additional
density
in
single
family
neighborhoods
possible,
so
kirk
is,
is
going
with
the
six
units
that,
where
the
density
is
allowable
by
right
in
in
that
particular
area,
these
are
up
on
nancy
street
and
hazel
mill.
I
think
you
you've
seen
the
application
and
the
location
map
these
are.
P
This
was
fairly
typical
of
development
that
kirk
did
back
in
that
time,
as
the
21
units
represent,
where
he
was
developing
a
single-family
house
and
an
adu,
so
the
single-family
house
was
a
two
or
three-bedroom
unit.
The
adu
was
a
one-bedroom
unit
above
a
garage
and
now
he's
looking
to
convert
those
garages
of
the
six
units
where
it's
allowable
by
right
into
ground
level,
accessible
one-bedroom
apartments,
affordable
to
households
at
60
percent
area,
meeting
income,
kirk.
P
Accepts
and
welcomes
voucher
holders.
The
source
of
his
tenants
are
primarily
from
the
helping
agencies
throughout
the
city
of
asheville,
so
everywhere,
from
the
va
through
to
homeward
bound
to
the
housing
authority.
Kirk
works
with
with
all
of
those
agencies
to
help
place
people
and
and
a
majority
of
the
units
that
he
owns
throughout
the
city
are
actually
occupied
by
voucher
holders.
P
Now
the
the
still
he's
looking
at
an
all-in
conversion
cost
of
about
43
to
45
000
per
unit,
he's
looking
at
a
housing
trust
fund,
request
of
33
000
per
unit,
with
a
commitment
to
at
least
from
initial
cost
estimates
of
of
put
putting
the
rest
in
as,
as
is
the
owner's
contribution
as
equity
into
the
project.
P
The
term
he's
looking
for
is
to
just
tack
onto
the
term
of
the
existing
housing
trust
fund
loans
that
actually
made
the
the
12
units
on
these
properties
that
was
made
by
the
city
on
these
properties.
So
each
of
these
new
units
would
have
a
20
to
a
23
year
term
of
affordability,
in
line
with
the
existing
term
of
affordability
on
those
existing
units
he's
ready
to
he's
in
the
permitting
process
with
development
services
in
the
city.
P
As
I
said,
he
does
not
need
any
rezoning
or
any
approvals
in
that
line,
but
he's
working
with
development
services,
as
chris
pointed
out,
he
is
represented
by
by
chris's
firm
in
the
in
the
permitting
process.
His
plans
have
been
submitted
and
is
very
close
to
permitting
on
these
on
these
projects.
His
intent
is
to
get
going
right
away
as
soon
as
permits
are
issued
and
to
occupy
a
no
later
than
early
2022..
P
I'm
I'm
happy
to
to
answer
any
questions
I
can
or
to
bring
any
input
or
questions
input
that
you
have
or
questions
that
I
can't
answer
back
to
kirk.
So
again,
thanks
for
the
opportunity
to
present
this
and
and
to
thank
you
for
considering
this
and
giving
some
feedback
on
the
project.
B
Cool
great,
thank
you,
yeah.
Thank
you,
jeff
and
you're
good
to
see
you
and
it
looks
like
we
do
have
a
couple
questions.
Scott.
I
see
your
hand
with
it.
J
Yeah
hi,
thanks
for
the
overview
were
you
referring
earlier
to.
I
can't
remember
the
the
senate
bill,
but
essentially
that
it
was
the
missing
middle
housing
bill
at
the
state
level
and
also
essentially
making
adus
a
buy
right
use
versus
I'm.
Not
I'm
not
well-versed
enough
to
know
how
they're
permitted
currently
in
this
in
within
the
city.
Is
it
through
a
conditional
or
some
other
level
overview.
P
Yeah,
it
would
be
actually
making
duplexes
triplexes
and
quads
a
buy
right
use
in
single-family,
zoned
neighborhoods,
and
yes,
that
was
what
was
going
through
the
the
north
carolina
legislature.
It
obviously
didn't
happen
this
year,
but
it's
this
is.
P
You
know
something
that
is
happening
not
only
in
north
carolina,
but
this
whole
missing
middle
housing
is
a
pretty
hot
topic
of
consideration
throughout
throughout
the
country
right
now,
in
terms
of
trying
to
address
some
of
the
barriers
to
affordable
housing
development,
while
also
you
know
having
that
conversation
about
what
is
what
what
is
the
place
of
single-family
neighborhoods
in
our
in
our
country.
So
yes,
right
thanks.
L
E
Since
these
are
rental
units,
is
there
anything
in
the
agreement
with
the
city
that
would
request
or
require
him
to
maintain
maintenance
or
property
around
the
units
themselves?
Obviously
it's
on
the
property
of
a
home,
but
it
you
know
is,
is
you
know
it's
a
garage
apartment,
but
is
there
anything
that,
in
the
contract
with
city
that
the
city
can
say,
you
must
maintain
a
certain
level
of
maintenance
or
appearance
of
the
actual
unit
itself,
since
it
is
a
rental
unit.
P
P
You
know
the
conversations
kirk
made
changes
to
the
management
of
the
trash
situation
on
that
property
and
what
had
been
you
know
seeing
had
been
what
he
called
them.
Rollaways,
you
know
trash
cans
and
now
has
installed
the
dumpsters
he's
had
continues.
His
ongoing
conversation
with
the
city
about
that
level
of
maintenance
and
is,
is
certainly
open
to
input.
On
that
question,
I
think
his
belief
right
now
and
comments
that
he
has
received
from
this.
The
city,
sanitation
department,
is
that
that
situation
had
been.
E
Resolved
I
I
was
also
talking
about
the
actual
appearance
or
maintenance
of
the
structure
itself,
as
it
goes
through
the
years
so.
P
I
mean,
I
think,
that
thick
the
no
there
is
no.
There
is.
P
There
is
no
current
requirement
in
city
funding
that
puts
forward
a
maintenance
standard.
B
J
Actually,
there's
a
state
law
that
prohibits
design
regulations
on
one
and
two
family
attached
dwellings,
so
yeah
just
quickly.
Following
on
that,
I
guess
the
question
always
comes
up.
What
about
the
parking
is,
is
the
parking
that
was
previously
in
the
garages
just
being
externalized
to
all
surface
parking.
P
Those
garages
were
actually
not
used
for
parking.
They
were
essentially
leased
as
standalone
storage
or
made
available
to
tenants
of
storage.
So
there's
no
displacement
of
parking
on
those
sites
and
the
site
plan
that
has
been
submitted
to
the
city
outlines
where,
where
parking
is-
and
it
is
to
city
regulation,
okay,.
B
Great
one,
when
the
one
thing
I
had
a
question
on
on
the
application
is
so
I
saw
the
application.
B
You
know
it's
for
200
000,
but
in
the
in
the
details
it
talks
about
the
unit
the
estimated
development
cost
of
unit
of
thirty
thousand
and
then
so
thirty
times.
Six
is
a
hundred
eighty
thousand
so
we're.
I
know
I'm
just
curious
where
the
two
hundred
thousand
comes
from.
When
I
see
the
like,
it
looks
like
the
total
project.
Cost
is
a
hundred.
Eighty
thousand.
P
You
know,
I
think
that
perhaps
it
have
you
looked
at
the
pro
former
barry.
I
don't
know
if
you,
if
you
all
got
the
the
pro
forma
I
don't.
I
could
share
that
if
that,
if,
if
that
would
be
something
that
would
be
helpful
to
you
or
possible.
B
P
Is
kirk
has
updated
his
his
pro
forma
and
and
the
the
costs
of
construction
as
well
as
soft
cost
yield
that
259
thousand
dollar
total
project
cost?
I
see
where
you
are.
Yes,
you
know
the
size
of
d5
size
and
price
of
units
30
000,
I'm
sorry
that
did
not
get
updated
in
the
renewed
application.
B
C
B
P
That's
correct
and
as
as
I
said,
the
there
there
was
a
pro
forma
submitted
with
that
application
and
again
I
could
share
that
with
the
committee
if
you
wish
now,
but
it's
I
believe
it's
in
the
drive,
I'm
not
certain,
but
I
I
would,
I
think
it
might
be
in
the
drive
that
that
was
shared
with
you
about
the
application.
B
Yeah,
okay,
cool
yeah,
that's
the
only
thing
I
saw
I
mean
you
may
want
to
update
that
before
go
to
htv,
but
you
know
I
think
I
mean
overall
I
mean
if
this
anyone
have.
I
mean
any
any
thoughts
about.
This
is
a
the
application
itself
or
just
as
a
project
I
mean
this
is
as
as
jeff
has
said
in
other
states,
especially
in
the
western
states
like
this
has
been
all
made
by
wright
to
have
generally
two.
B
You
know
one
attached
and
one
detached
adu
by
right
or
triplex
is
my
right
here.
In
you
know,
north
here,
in
asheville,
like
adus,
are
allowed
by
right,
but
not
second
aid
to
use-
and
I
think
that's
you
know
this
is
one
of
the
possibly
lowest
hanging
fruit
you
know:
does
anyone
have
any
other?
You
know
any
thoughts
of
of
projects
like
this
and
whether
we
should
really
try
to
encourage
more
projects
like
this
and
and
also
what
our
thoughts
are
about,
like
the
the
financing,
the
cost
per
unit?
If
that
sounds.
K
Reasonable,
so
yes,
yes
and
yes,
I
think,
yes,
the
costs
are
reasonable.
Yes,
we
need
more
of
these
kinds
of
units.
We
need
to
be
able
to
rapidly
identify
opportunities
to
increase
the
amount
of
affordable
housing,
and
particularly
people
who
are
willing
to
take
vouchers.
B
Yeah,
I
think
it's
I
mean
I
think
yeah.
I
think
I'm
glad
to
see
that
you
know.
I
know
this
project's
been
around
a
while
and
I
think
you
know
there's
to
encourage
landlords
to
take.
You
know
to
take
voucher
housing.
I
think
is
you
know
we?
We
definitely
should
encourage
more
of
that
and
I'm
glad
to
see
projects
like
this.
You
know
you
know,
there's
always
the
you
know
the
comments
about
project
aesthetics
and
you
know
parking,
but
you
know
most
of
those
at
least
the
parking
is.
B
You
know,
that's
something
that
has
to
be
proven
to
development
services
and
zoning
that
it
exists
before
these
projects
can
move
forward,
and
then
you
know
as
far
as
design
standards
as
you
discussed
there
really
isn't
any.
We
had
a
brief
conversation
about.
Maybe
when
there's
super
dense
projects
with
a
lot
of
units
that
maybe
there
should
be
ways
to
look
into
additional
support
for
social
services.
D
B
F
Yeah
I'll
just
point
out,
scott
was
making
reference
to
that
state.
Legislature
changes.
I
think
you
know
if
that
does
come
about,
it'll,
be
something
that
the
build
subcommittee
needs
to
talk
about
that
with
those
changes.
They'll
need
to
be
local
udo
changes
to
to
prevent
the
difficulty,
because
I
think
the
the
idea
here
was
really
simple
and
low
hanging
fruit
to
create
affordable
housing,
but
just
some
of
the
the
nuances
of
the
details
of
the
way
the
udo
is
written,
just
make
it
a
challenge.
E
Just
said
everything,
the
ex
houses
that
they're
on
on
the
property
he
owns,
all
those
houses
and
those
houses-
are
all
rental
houses
rentals
for
him
also.
B
All
right:
well,
thank
you.
I
don't
you
know,
I
don't
know
if
we,
you
know,
I
guess
we
really
haven't
discussed
it
like
so
when
we
review
these.
Basically
we're
reviewing
these
ahead
of
like
the
time
that
that
staff
has
provided
they
haven't.
Paul
hasn't
drafted
the
staff
report
yet
to
go
to
hcd,
so
we're
getting
the
opportunity
to
review
these
applications
before
they
go
to
hcd.
J
I
think
I
mean,
even
though
we
are
an
advisory
body,
I
mean
it's
kind
of
similar
to
how
a
lot
of
planning
and
zoning
commissions
work.
They
make
advisor
advisory
recommendations
for
approval
or
denial,
and
I
I
think
at
least
of
hcd
is
considering
ahack's
input.
Then
we
could
act
in
the
same
manner
of
just
making
an
advisory
recommendation
of
approval
or
denial
or
approval
with
modifications.
B
Sure
yeah,
I'm
good.
I
think
if
we
make
a
recommendation,
yeah
wait.
We
can
make
we'll
just
give
our
our
board's
recommendation
yeah.
I
would
you
know,
there's
some
legals.
We
have
the
right
to
do
that.
Yeah.
I
don't
know
what
you're
getting
it's,
not
that
it's
certainly
binding,
but
I
think
we
do
have
the
right
to
do
that.
So
do
we
want
to?
Would
someone
like
somebody
like
to
make
a
motion
to
record
that
to
make
that
our
that
then
a
hack
recommend
that
we
we
give
our
approval
for
this?
H
If
we're
going
to
make
a
formal
recommendation
to
hdd
rather
than
the
discussion,
I
would
have
liked
to
have
seen
the
full
pro
forma
on
this
project.
I
think
a
lot
of
the
concerns
that
I
have
around
this
is
based
on
some
of
this
developer's
other
projects
is:
is
there
an
adequate
amount
included
in
the
pro
forma
for
for
the
the
management
of
the
property
and
the
reserve
and
replacement
of
the
property
over
time?
H
H
One
jeff
was
offering
to
share
that
pro
forma,
but
I
don't
feel
like
I
could
get
it
right
now
and
and
really
dig
into
it
and
figure
out
whether
the
you
know
whether
the
developer's
plans,
for
you
know,
property
management
and
reserve,
and
everything
were
adequate
to
keep
this.
You
know
property
in
good
condition,
given
the
density
and
sort
of
the
adaptive
reuse
nature
of
it.
I
think
those
things
present
real
challenges
to
to
the
long-term
management.
B
I
think
we're
we're
kind
of
like
squeezing
our
toe
in
the
door
to
even
get
this
going
through
us.
So,
and
I
know
it's,
you
know,
we've
kind
of
asked
staff
to
you
know
that
we
to
in
timeliness
that
we
can,
you
know
we'll
look
at
these
application,
the
raw
applications
rather
than
the
staff
report.
So
maybe
I
mean
maybe
the
way
we
word
our
motion
is
it's
kind
of
like
a
general
blessing
of
the
concept
rather
than
like
approving
any
details,
but
I
I
think
it
would.
B
H
I
guess
what
I'm
saying
is
I
don't.
I
don't
know
that
I
do
like
projects
like
this.
Unless
I
see
that
there's
a
you
know
on
an
adaptive,
reuse
project
like
this
with
you
know,
that's
that's
kind
of
quasi
single
family
multi-family
in
nature.
I
I
don't
know
that
I
want
to
say
that
we
want
to
see
projects
like
this.
Unless
I
know
the
developer
has
adequate.
H
C
H
C
H
We
could,
I
think
we
could
say
that,
but
again
it's
got
it.
I've
got
to
know
that
the
project
is
gonna.
You
know,
there's
plans
for
it
to
to
be
successful
in
the
long
run.
E
B
Yeah,
I'm
going
to
be
careful
for
you
know
time
and
then
also,
for
I
mean
we're
our
scope
and
that
we're
you
know
like
we're
understanding
where
we
can
layer
in,
but
we're
also
keeping
a
broad
perspective
on
this.
You
know
and-
and
I
think
yeah
maybe
I
think
really.
The
question
is
as
much
as
like
this
kind
of
project
and
it's
like-
and
maybe
you
know
maybe
we
do
just
because
I
think
it
will
help,
because
this
is
going
to
hed.
You
know
it's
not
going
to
come
back
through
us.
You
know.
B
You
know,
recommends
projects
that
that
you
know,
encourage
and
encourage
garage,
conversions
and
and
adus,
and
that
we
think
33
000
is
an
adequate
per
unit
cost
for
a
20-year
affordability
requirement.
I
mean
maybe
that
that
motion
that
riding
motion
basically
sets
more
of
the
broad
standards
without
us
having
to
you
know,
give
a
full
blessing
to
an
application.
We
don't
have
all
the
details
on
is
any.
B
O
Hey
barry,
this
is
paul
here.
Can
you
hear
me.
D
O
Hey
thanks.
I
appreciate
the
conversation
my
recommendation
would
be
at
this
time
just
to
to
not
worry
about
a
motion
or
recommendation
at
this
time.
O
We
have
a
meeting
with
our
boards
and
commission
folks
next
week,
as
this
is
kind
of
moving
away
from
where
a
hack
has
been
in
the
past,
so
we've
requested
guidance
from
boards
and
commissions
to
understand
exactly
you
know
within
the
purview
of
ahack
all
good,
but
before
we
know
that
I
think
at
this
time
the
discussion
is
great,
but
at
this
point
since
we're
not
really
sure
where
this
goes
with
boards
and
commissions,
I
think
at
this
time
emotional
recommendation
wouldn't
be
required
in
staff's
opinion.
B
B
Anybody
else
is
anyone
still
I
mean
I
I
personally
hear
what
he
says,
but
I
like
the
idea
of
emotion
at
least
for
the
concept,
but
that's
just
me
you
know,
but
I
don't.
I
don't
want
to
push
it.
I
don't
want
to.
I
want
to
move
along
if
we
don't
want
to
do
that.
B
C
Yeah
I
mean,
as
I'm
listening
and
learning
here
I
just
I'm
trying
to
think
of
sort
of
any
any
downside,
and
we've
pointed
out
some
some
potentials.
You
know
running
out
of
money
not
having
enough
support
the
property
cleanliness.
Maybe
certainly
there
are
lots
of
issues,
but,
but
am
I
wrong?
I
mean
this
is
this
is
creating.
This
is
like
we
said,
low-hanging
fruit.
This
quickly
easily
cheaply
gets
us
some
affordable
units
more
than
them
than
what
you
know,
the
small
percentage
of
these
new
projects.
C
You
know
that
are
all
going
in
so
with
with
those
have
way
more
impact
environmentally,
and
you
know,
there's
a
slew
of
other
sort
of
problematic
issues
with
those
larger
projects.
So
so
what
is
it
like?
What
would
possibly
be
I'm
sitting
here
trying
to
think
what
would
be
the
downside
and
again?
Yes,
it
has
to
be
done
right,
but
my
gosh.
Yes,
I
definitely
feel
like
given
something
I'm
overlooking
or
not,
considering
that
this
is
something
we
should
make
a
recommendation
on.
M
P
P
Is
per
unit
is
right
now
at
a
total
of
43
167
per
unit,
of
which
the
city
is
being
asked
to
fund
33,
300
dollars
per
unit,
and
that
that
would
be.
That
is
not
the.
It
would
be
asked
based
upon
the
special
terms
that
are
in
the
housing
trust
fund
guidelines
for
units
that
are
leased
to
households
of
60
or
less
immediate
income,
which
is
2
interest
only
for
the
period
of
affordability
and
with
a
payment,
a
balloon
payment
of
the
principal
amount.
M
So
another
question:
these
are
one
bedroom
units
like
one
like
I'm
trying
to
picture
it
in
my
head,
like
what
the
unit
would
be,
I'm
picking
in
the
garage-
and
I
was
like
I'm
just
kind
of
trying
to
figure
out
what
that
would
look
like.
P
Yeah,
the
footprint
of
the
garage
is
the
same
as
the
footprint
of
the
one
bedroom
unit
above
it.
So
it's
the
it'll
be
the
same
layout
there.
I
I
don't
have
this
in
front
of
me.
I
think
they're
around
650
square
feet
per
unit,
which
is
fairly
typical
for
an
affordable
one-bedroom
unit
and
again
it
would
be
ground
floor
access
to
the
units.
B
Okay,
so
I
think
yeah,
I
guess
we'll
float
it
again,
we're
not
approving
the
application,
but
I
think
I
I
yeah,
for
I
mean
I
like
to
feel
like
we're
doing
something
and
for
all
the
nodes
the
city
has
been
given
out
lately.
I'd
like
to
at
least
give
some
positive
spins
and
say
we
do
encourage
something
in
the
city.
So
I
would.
B
I
would
like
to
make
a
motion
that
that
affordable
housing
advisory
committee
recommends
projects
like
this,
that
that
encourage
conversions
of
garages
and
additional
adus
and
that
33
that
funding
of
30,
I
think
33
000
per
unit
for
20
year.
Affordability
is,
is
standards.
D
G
My
my
only
concern
is
putting
in
a
33
000
as
a
a
hard
and
known
and
understood
figure.
I
think
conceptually,
I
agree
with
it.
I
I'm
concerned
about
the
number
and
that
may
be
based
on
my
lack
of
knowledge
and
experience
or
exposure,
but
that's
my
concern.
J
Yeah,
I
think
what
we're
discussing
is
that
the
I
mean,
I
guess
the
general
concept
I
mean,
there's
a
phrase,
gentle
density,
where
you're
doing
conversions
or
slipping
in
an
edu
here
or
there
versus
wholesale
new
buildings.
I
think
that's
the
concept
that
we're
talking
through
and
agreeing
with,
and
it's
gentle
density
under
the
guise
of
incrementally
increasing
affordability
through
supply,
so
I
realize
it's
kind
of
a
wonky
explanation
of
it,
but
I
think
that's
what
we're
speaking
to
so
absent
the
specifics.
J
J
How's
that
yeah
as
innovative
projects.
B
J
B
M
B
B
B
Yep
all
right,
all
next
step,
so
the
next.
The
next
application
is
the
it's
a
luigi
application
for
millstone
management
and
it's
about
a
project
on
long
shoals.
Is
there?
Is
there
someone
from
the
development
team
for
the
partnership?
That's
on
the
call.
B
Q
Thank
you
absolutely
yeah.
So
again,
I'm
owen
hartman
work
for
millstone
management,
I'm
our
development
manager
and
we've
been
almost
a
year
now
working
on
this
project.
It's
located
at
66,
long
shoals
road,
basically
on
the
north
side
of
long
shoals
across
from
lake
julian
and
next
to
tc,
robertson,
high
school
and
it's
a
2.85
acre
site
and
we
are
planning
to
develop
86
units.
Q
They're
going
to
be
two
separate
buildings.
The
front
building
is
going
to
be
a
3
4
split.
The
rear
building
is
going
to
be
a
4
5
split.
This
is
going
to
be
a
condition.
Corridor
development,
so
there'll
be
elevators
in
both
buildings
and
the
the
corridors,
like
I
said,
will
be
conditioned
we're
going
to
connect
to
the
high
school
with
our
sidewalk
system,
and
then
we
do
have
public
transit
and
bus
stops
kind
of
right
out
in
front
of
our
our
site
as
well.
Q
So
we
we
love
the
location,
obviously
and
think
that
you
know
it's
it's
a
great
spot
to
add
density
for
the
city
and
add
housing
and
we're
also
going
to
be
to
get
into
the
affordable
component,
bringing
20
of
that
project.
We're
going
to
be
offering,
as
so
17
units
will
be
at
the
80
ami
level
for
20
years.
That's
what
we're
proposing
five
of
those
or
sorry
four
of
those
units
will
be
housing,
choice,
voucher
program
units
and
yeah.
B
Q
Yeah,
so
with
new
construction,
obviously
with
where
the
cost
is
today
by
offering
affordable
units,
there's
a
there's,
a
gap,
an
obvious
gap
in,
what's
financially
feasible,
to
make
the
project
happen
and
the
way
that
the
luigi
grant
helps
us
is
by
by
providing
those
affordable
units.
Q
We
lower
our
income
stream
to
a
point
where
it
makes
it
difficult
to
finance
the
project
and
by
receiving
an
abatement
that
reduction
in
overall
cost
and
and
tax
kind
of
helps
us
bridge
the
gap
of
lowering
our
market,
rents
and
kind
of
helps
us
make
the
project
feasible
from
that
standpoint.
So
it's
really
helpful
for
us
when
we're
making
that
commitment
to
providing
affordable
units.
B
Q
Q
So
we
are,
you
know
when
looking
at
the
table
and
and
we've
submitted
to
paul-
I
don't
know
if
paul's
still
on
the
call
here
as
well.
We've
submitted
kind
of
a
draft
of
our
land
use
incentive,
grant
to
kind
of
be
reviewed
and
it
outlines
kind
of
exactly
which
criteria
we're
meeting
as
far
as
location,
affordability,
level
and
and
other
commitments
we're
making
to
our
project
and
then
through
that
table.
Q
There's
a
scoring
system
that
then
kind
of
outlines
the
number
of
years
that
we
are
eligible
for
the
city
portion
abatement
that
I
that
I
mentioned
that
helps
us
kind
of
offset
our
decrease
in
income
on
on
the
rent
side.
By
doing
the
affordable
units.
B
Okay,
it
looks
like
16,
I'm
looking
at.
It
looks
like
so
16
years
of
the
city
portion
of
the
property
taxes
looks
like
correct:
okay,
cool
anyone
have
any
other
questions
I
mean
this.
Is
you
know
these
are
kind
of
typical
kind
of
luigi
thing.
You
know
projects,
you
know
this.
Is
it's
good
to
good
to
see
the
details
and
understand,
because
I
think
these
real
world
things
help
us
understand
what
what
we
see
and
what
other?
What
folks
are
doing?
B
I
don't
see
any
so
so
again,
it's
you,
wanna,
see
your
hand
up.
M
Q
So
86
total
units
and
so
20
of
the
projects
which
is
17
units
will
be
at
the
80
percent
ami
level
for
20
years.
That's
that's!
What
we're
proposing.
Q
B
M
Q
K
Q
Yeah
so
we
have,
we
have
12
studio
units,
so
12
studio
units,
34
ones,
36
twos
and
four.
M
So
I'm
just
curious
as
to
like,
if
you
have
a
mixture
of
units,
the
affordability
is
only
going
to
the
studio
and
one
like
I'm
just
trying
to
understand
that
concept
when
like
when
I
think
about
our
housing
crisis
here,
we
do
definitely
have
a
big
need
for
the
one
bedrooms,
but
also
for
the
family
units
as
well.
So
I'm
just
trying
to
understand
why?
M
Q
Yeah,
so
that
to
answer
that
question,
basically
we're
trying
to
make
we're
trying
to
provide
the
highest
level
of
affordability
while
still
being
financially
feasible.
So
it
comes
down
to
square
footages
and
when
a
two-bedroom
unit
is
eleven
hundred
square
feet-
and
you
know
one
bedroom
is
650
to
750
and
the
studio
is
smaller.
We
can
make
that
commitment
due
to
the
cost
being
lower
because
of
the
square
footage
requirement
of
those
units
and
the
corresponding
rent
levels.
You
know
being
able
to
make
that
happen.
Q
So
that's
that's
a
really
quick
answer
to
a
very
to
very
you
know,
a
larger
issue
of
construction
costs
nowadays,
so.
M
Q
Yeah
so
there's
a
there's
actually
a
table
and
I
don't
want
to
misspeak.
I
don't
want
to
misspeak
on
that.
O
If
y'all
can
hear
me,
this
is
paul
yeah,
that's
appendix
one
that
we
just
published
and
sent
out
to
everybody,
I'm
happy
to
pull
that
up
on
my
phone.
I
thought
we
attached
it
to
this,
but
perhaps
not
or
it
was
last
month
but
I'll.
Take
a
quick
look
just
to
give
you
an
idea.
B
Yeah,
I
think
the
guidelines
I
mean
yeah.
If
we
do,
I
think
we
approved
those
news,
some
of
those
new
standards
of
the
last
or
discussed
last
meeting.
So
do
we?
What
do
you
want?
I
just
ask
what
are
so
to
when
we
look
at
projects
like
this.
What
are
what
do
you
see
the
like?
There's
a
mix?
Obviously
you
know
it
makes
sense
that
there's
gonna
be
when
there's
square
footage.
They
can
get
more
units
by
having
more
smaller
units.
B
M
No,
like
I'm
looking
at
like
when
I
listen
to
the
previous
report
around
the
housing
and
the
in
the
housing
of
choice,
vouchers
and
people
who
are
looking
for
units,
whether
it's
one
or
two,
even
in
the
city,
even
in
our
city,
lemon,
like
one
80
percent,
ami
affordability
for
residents,
that's
trying
to
move
out
of
public
housing
would
would
still
be
a
challenge
because,
like
even
those
sliding
scale
fees,
so
I'm
trying
to
see
a
number.
M
O
Yeah,
that's
what
I
got
for
you
here
justin
again.
This
was
something
that
that
just
went
through
last
month,
but
for
eighty
percent
area,
median
income
based
on
the
2021
figures
from
hud,
a
studio,
efficiency,
80
ami.
O
If
the
landlord
pays
water,
sewer
and
trash
the
rent
would
be
956
for
a
one
bedroom,
it
comes
in
at
and
twenty
one
dollars.
If
someone
carries
a
voucher
with
them,
the
heck
of
voucher
payment
standards,
the
efficiency
studio
rent
is
one
thousand
and
seventy
three
up
to
one
thousand.
Seventy
three
dollars
and
the
one
bedroom
is
up
to
one
thousand
one
hundred
and
twenty
seven
dollars
with
a
max
rent
with
landlord
paying
water
sewer
trash.
M
B
Yep
yeah
there's
this
well
again
that
we
have
the
standard
guidelines
were
approved
for
that
set
those
and
then
yeah
the
voucher
payments
are
yes,
we've
seen
like
the
voucher
payments
are
higher
than
you
know
or
higher
than
what
the
the
80
ami
top
rents
are,
but
so,
like
so
projects
again
just
for
some
consistency,
for
we
made
a
motion
to
write.
B
You
know
to
ride
along
for
the
last
project
you
know
so
again,
for,
as
is
a
I'm
kind
of
like
a
kind
of
a
blessing
of
projects
like
this,
it's
a
a
right-along
motion
that
we
can
do
as
a
committee.
You
know,
I
think
we
I
think,
if,
if
I
think
it
at
least,
if
nothing
else
makes
makes
us
feel
good
or
makes
you
feel
good
that
we're
that
we're
we're
encouraging
more
more
projects
like
this
is
everyone?
Okay,
with
that
again
of
a
bro,
a
broad,
a
motion
direct.
B
You
know
a
broad
scope
motion
that
we
encourage
more
developers
to
join
our
community
to
use
the
luigi
tool
to
create
more
affordable
housing.
K
I
have
a
bit
more
of
a
problem
when
we
just
create
studio
apartments
with
potentially
I'm
not
sure
if
they're
the
same
fixture
and
finish
of
the
other
ones
and
that's
my
problem
with
the
project.
If
you
had,
if
you
were
renting
out
12
other
efficiencies,
and
they
were
all
the
same,
then
I
wouldn't
have
that
concern.
But
we've
created
specialized
housing
in
a
building
specifically
for
tenants
who
have
lower
income,
and
I
think
that's
where
you
kind
of
get
into
that
segregated
housing
issue.
G
And
thank
you
for
making
that
statement,
brian,
that
that
is
my
concern
as
well.
I
was
looking
for
the
words
to
state
it
as
eloquently
as
you
just
did,
but
that
is
my
concern
as
well.
B
Yeah,
how
about
this
is
because
that's
a
good
point:
how
about
as
again
a
broad
motion
that
we
encourage.
You
know
more
luigi
projects
to
come
such
as
this,
and
we
do
encourage
more.
We
we
do
encourage
that
the
unit
mix
is
spread
equal.
You
know
I'm
trying
to
think
of
a
way.
You
know
how
to
how
to
handle
this
and
also
make
our
broad
recommendation
that
we
approve
projects
like
this,
but
we'd
also
like
to
see
that
that
unit
individual
some
unit
mixes
are
not
solely
the
affordable
units.
O
Yeah
and
again
barry
this
is
paul
here
I
you
know.
I
appreciate
that
everyone
is
trying
to
be
more
engaged.
We
repeating
myself
have
reached
out
to
boards
and
commissions
as
this.
O
This
level
is
veering
off
of
the
this
committee,
so
I
again
would
just
like
I
did
last
time
advise
that
I
don't
think
emotion
at
this
point,
as
this
is
beyond
the
scope
of
a
hack
is
appropriate,
but,
however
y'all
can
do
what
you
would
like
to
do
with
some
type
of
supportive
motion
or
non-supportive
motion.
But
again
I
just
the
the
aspect
of
ahack
and
its
bylaws
and
its
purpose.
M
Paul,
I
have
a
question
for
you,
paul,
I'm
sorry,
I'm
just
confused
so
as
the
affordable
housing
advisory
committee
and
as
we've
asked
that
these
come
before
us
before
on
hcd,
like
I'm
just
trying
to
understand
like
we
have,
we
have
no
say
our
recommendations
through
our
vote
not
go
be
passed
on
hcd,
along
with
these
applications.
O
No
right
now,
if
it
is
my
understanding
correctly,
that
the
ahack
committee
advises
and
helps
create
policy
not
for
specific
projects
to
be
to
be
reviewed
and
or
approved
by
this
committee.
It
has
not
in
my
free
or
history
with
the
city,
and
that
is
my
understanding
that
it's
a
policy
advisory
committee
to
enhance
and
assist
with
the
creation
of
policy
and
sharing
of
data
and
information.
B
Yeah
and
yeah
here
you
can
understand
that
and
I
think
we're
trying
to
come
up
with
with
our
broad.
You
know,
because
it
is
good
to
have
these
specific
examples
so
how
we
can
advise
or
say
hey.
These
are
good
examples
or
not
and
again,
as
a
policy,
you
know,
is
it
an
advisory
committee.
I
I
think
it's
it.
We
have.
We
do
have
the
ability
to
encourage
more
kinds
of
projects
like
this,
and
you
know
minor
blessings
go
a
long
way.
I
think,
but
yeah
again.
O
N
O
Again,
just
without
any
precedent
or
nothing
in
the
bylaws
or
the
creation
of
this
committee
that
talks
about
the
projects,
staff
just
advises
that
at
this
point,
until
we
work
with
boards
and
commission
commissions
to
figure
out
how
it
looks,
we
really
do
try
to
follow
process
and
procedure
at
the
city,
and
so
it's
when
we
veer
off
of
that
staff's
role.
O
If
I
understand
correctly,
is
to
advise
that
we're
veering
off
of
of
process
and
procedure
for
this
committee
again
chair
has
the
right
to,
I
believe,
do,
however
he'd
like
so
our
advising
would
be
that
as
we
move
away
from
that,
you
know
the
importance
of
having
a
motion
or
something
to
prove
at
this
point
without
having
it
being
a
part
of
a
hack
is
just
again
moving
further
into
uncharted
territory.
We
will
still
move
it
forward
and
all
that
stuff,
but
we
have
our
meeting
with
boards
and
commissions
next
week.
O
B
Is
out
of
the
scope
of
what
I
think
our
I
mean
as
a
multi-year
chair
of
this
committee
and
long-term
member,
it
seems
like
what
we're
talking
about
is
the
same
thing.
We've
talked
about
for
years
and
it's
not
out
of
the
scope,
we're
just
now
we're
actually
making
some
motions
that
write.
You
know
that
are
about
some
specific
examples,
but
I
don't.
I
don't
see
if
these
discussions
are
any
different
than
what
we
talked
about,
and
I
I
mean
I'm
fine,
I'm
fine
with
the
motion.
Look
here
last
time.
B
M
E
Want
say
that
that
this
is
one
of
the
reasons
that
this
committee
has
the
depth
of
expertise.
That
it
does
is
that
we,
we
all
have
different
disciplines,
but
that's
why
we
can
speak
to
to
the
various
things
and
it
and
advise
that
there
might
be
an
issue
here.
I
I
think
that
is
within
the
scope
and
I'm
certainly
sure
that
the
developer
would
be
appreciative
of
how
that
how
that
might
be
helpful
to
them
on
this
or
other
other
projects.
J
Yeah
I
I
can.
I
can
certainly
empathize
with
paul
d
I
as
someone
that
also
works
with
commissions
and
boards.
I
would
be
perfectly
fine
just
taking
a
wait-and-see
approach
within
the
next
week,
or
so
just
to
get
a
little
more
clarification
from
the
city
on
what
a
hack
can
and
cannot
formally
advise
on.
H
I
think
this
this
does
give
us
a
good
way
to
look
at
you
know.
If
our
role
is
around
advising
on
policy,
then
you
know
we
can
certainly
take
the
discussion
that
we've
had
this
morning
around
the
unit
mix
and
and
and
use
it
as
a
as
a
way
to
flag
something
for
you
know
for
input
on
on
the
luige
policy
I
mean
you
know.
We
discussed
that
at
length
a
couple
of
years
ago
in
this
committee.
H
H
We
didn't
service
that
issue
until
we
talked
about
it
on
a
specific
project.
So
there's
an
advantage
to
us
looking
at
these
things,
even
from
our
policy
advisory
role-
and
you
know
whether
or
not
we
vote
on
something
today
for
this
particular
project.
It
gives
us.
You
know
it
gives
us
context
for
that.
Particular
you
know
for
the
function
that
we
we
are
convened
as
a
as
a
city
body
to
to
take
on.
B
Sir
yeah,
I
agree,
I
think
that's
the
value
of
the
thing
that
came
out
of
this
discussion.
That
does
come
from
real
world
examples,
which
is
why
I
think
we've
now.
You
know,
really
try
to
push
to
see
these,
because
these
are
things
we
discuss
about
and-
and
it's
actually
good
to
hear
from
a
developer's
perspective,
what
exactly
luigi
is
and
how
the
benefits
use
and
then
for
us
to
see
the
unit
mix
and
then
for
us
as
a
policy
to
say.
B
Okay,
we
encourage
more
projects
like
this
and
believe
me
right
now,
any
developer
and
there's
developers
outside
they
need
a
little
bit
of
encouragement
to
come
here,
and
that's
that's
my
little
step
of
why.
I
think
these
motions
have
a
little
bit
of
value,
because,
even
if
it's
not
for
the
city,
it's
to
do
other
developers
like
you
know
what
we
really
do
need
you
here,
even
though
it
seems
like
we
might
be
taking
other
actions
and
other
steps
that
we
don't
want
you
here.
So
that's
as
much
of
anything.
B
Some
of
my
reasoning,
for
this
is
like
is
that
we
do
want
to
see
more
luigi
projects
that
that
we
do
want
to
see
them
in
different
parts
of
town
and
that
we
now
are
saying
that
we've
learned
from
this
that
we
would
we
want
to
see
more
of
a
more
of
a
balanced
unit
mix
when
luigi
applies
and
I
support.
I
would
like
to
make
a
motion
for
that,
but
I
also
want
to
push
it
or
you
know
if
anyone's
not
comfortable
with
it.
So
can
we
have
a
quick
like?
B
B
K
Yeah
no,
I
first
of
all
I
agree
with
andy
that
it
clearly
should.
K
Charter
to
be
able
to
recommend
comments
on
policy,
but
maybe
not
specific
developers.
So
as
long
we're
not
talking
about
millstone's
specific
problem
project,
I
think
we
can
make
all
sorts
of
recommendations
here
and
I
think
the
motion
around
encouraging
more
luigi
development
is
a
good
one
and
I
think
encouraging
a
balance
of
units
is
a
good
one.
The
only
thing.
The
third
element
I
would
like
to
add
is
that
we
would
like
to
see
that
their
units
aren't
limited
to
only
affordable
housing
units.
B
Okay,
all
right,
so
I'm
gonna
float
that
rough
motion.
You
have
a
second
on
it
I'll
second,.
K
B
K
B
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
All
motion
carries,
I
may
not
be
here
next
month,
we'll
see
what
boards
of
commission
has
to
say
about
that,
but
I
do
appreciate
you
know.
I
appreciate
that
and
I
don't
think
we're
advising
on
a
specific
you
know
case,
but
I
think
you
know
that
these
bring
to
light
the
actual
discussions
that
do
help
us
shape
policy
better
than
sometimes
these
are
bringing
these
these
conversations
around
better
than
broad
conversations.
I
think
specific
examples
are
great,
so
I
appreciate
your
support.
B
B
Well,
thank
you
all.
I
really
appreciate
that
and
I
think
I
think
this
I.
B
B
Thank
you
and
thank
you
owen
for
joining
us
and.
B
B
Okay,
thank
you.
There
is
so
I
guess
I
mean
I'll
just
kind
of
breeze
through
this
last
bit
of
our
agenda
then.
So
there
was
this.
I
see
still
on
the
agenda.
There's
a
partner
event
with
lotstar
in
august.
To
is
that
still
in
float,
or
is
that
just
hanging
on
the
agenda
do
we
know.
O
B
O
Yeah
barry,
I
don't
think,
there's
anything
urgent
on
the
new
business
that
can't
wait
until
next
meeting.
O
E
B
B
We
have
mortgage
insurance
and
the
eviction
is
there.
What
are
they
can
all
wait
until
next
time.
B
The
eviction
mortorium
is,
I
guess,
the
the
one
thing
I
will
ask
is
that
we
talked
in
our
last
meeting
to
you
know
as
that's
coming
up.
There
was
some
talk
about
what
you
know
to.
Maybe
we
can
look
to
suss
out
for
the
next
meeting.
What
exactly
are
the
options
for
folks
as
this
ends
for
support?
B
I
know
there's
been
some
question
that
we
brought
up
last
time
about
those
that
that,
as
the
rent
as
the
eviction
mortgage
humans
are
ending
that
there's
a
debt
load,
that's
that's
going
to
be
remaining
on
some
of
past
rent
and
how
that's
going
to
be
dealt
with,
and
what
are
some
of
the
options
for
people
to
deal
with
that.
So
it's
just
a
you
know
we'll
talk
about
that
for
next,
but
I
do
want
to
kind
of
get
maybe
a
little
bit
more
insight
on
that.
B
So
I
will
send
out
I'll.
I
will
sudden
out
right
I'll,
send
it
out
this
afternoon.
So
I
don't
forget
the
the
information
about
our
committees,
so
we
can
do
those
polls
for
setting
dates
and
I'd
like
to
kind
of
do
those
in
you
know
july.
If
we
can
appreciate
that-
and
we
had
no
public
comments,
does
anything
anyone
else
have
anything
they'd
like
to
say
or
join
or
suggest.
A
B
A
A
D
Yes,
hilary
this
is
greg
borum
with
children.
First
communion
schools
can
can
folks
hear
me.
D
I'm
not
I'm
not
hearing
anything,
but
I
will
continue
to
speak
and
hope
that
it's
getting
through.
I
just
wanted
to
comment
on
the
conversation
around
the
type
of
units
that
we're
building
for
affordability,
appreciate
the
committee
raising
up
the
issue
of
donating
the
units
that
can
work
for
families
with
children
and
the
idea
of
making
sure
that
the
developments
that
bring
in
affordable
units
aren't
just
defaulting
to
a
studio
apartment,
but
are
helping
us
solve
that
issue
for
children
with
families.
I'd
also
like
to
raise
up
the
issue
of
the
american
rescue
plan
funds.
D
Both
the
city
and
county
have
funding
to
work
with,
and
we
would
love
to
see
a
open
kind
of
community
engaged
discussion
on
how
we
can
center
needs
of
children
and
family
housing.
Affordability
in
that
there's
a
new
toolkit
that
our
partners
at
the
state
level
at
nc
child
created
for
compiling
how
to
you,
know
kind
of
look
at
the
needs
of
children
and
families
in
the
funding
discussions,
and
so
I
just
wanted
to
raise
that
to
this
committee's
attention.
D
I'm
happy
to
share
a
link,
barry
and
paul
with
you
all
for
that
toolkit,
as
well
as
some
other
resources
for
for
that
and
hope
that
there
can
be
ongoing
community
input
and
discussions
and
in
this
committee
joining
in
that
as
well.
Thanks.
So
much.
B
Thank
you
all,
and
I
appreciate
the
public
comment
appreciate
that
it
was
related
to
even
what
we
had
an
important
discussion
about.
So
thank
you
all.
I
do
hope
we
will
be
live
next
month,
we'll
find
out
and
I'll
send
out
that
information
on.
So
we
can
set
up
our
task
force
meetings
over
and
out.
Thank
you
all.
I
appreciate
it.
Bye,
bye,
everybody.