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From YouTube: Urban Forestry Commission – June 27, 2023
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Regular meeting of the City of Asheville Urban Forestry Commission.
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A
D
Okay,
well
thanks
everyone
for
coming
to
the
July
meeting
of
the
city
of
Asheville,
Oregon
forestry
Commission,
just
for
the
record,
our
July
meeting
day
would
have
fallen
on
July
4th
a
holiday,
so
the
urban
forestry
commission
voted
to
hold
the
July
meeting.
Instead
on
June,
the
27th.
D
D
D
D
D
You
and
I
am
Patrick
Gilbert
I
am
the
chair
of
the
urban
forestry
commission.
Ed
Macy,
who
is
the
Asheville
GreenWorks
representative
to
the
urban
forestry
commission,
is
dealing
with
a
family
medical
issue
today,
so
he
won't
be
with
us
for
this
meeting.
H
I
Urban's
Forester
development
service
department.
D
Okay,
Sam.
B
D
You
is
any
other
City
staff
president
that
I
may
have
missed.
D
A
Hi
good
good
afternoon,
everyone,
this
is
Brad
lipsey
and
landscape,
Bart
cake
with
crunk
engineering,
I'm
landscape,
architect
responsible
for
the
preparations
middle
of
the
plan.
D
Okay,
the
other
issue
is
I,
received
a
request
from
Zoe
Hoyle
who's,
the
chair
of
the
urban
Forest
master
plan
working
group
to
be
added
to
this
agenda.
D
We
can
do
this
with
approval
of
the
commission,
but
only
for
presentation
and
discussions
only.
We
can't
have
any
kind
of
a
vote
associated
with
this
Edition.
So
with
that
said,
I'll
entertain
a
motion
to
add
this
item
under
working
group
updates.
G
D
Okay,
Sharon
some
roles.
Second,
is
there
any
discussion
on
the
motion.
D
Hearing
none
I'll
call
the
role
chardan.
B
G
D
F
F
D
And
I
vote
I,
so
the
motion
to
add
the
urban
Forest
master
plan
working
group
update
to
the
agenda
is
approved.
D
D
Cecil
moves
and
Sharon
seconds.
Is
there
any
discussion?
D
If
not
I
will
call
the
roll
Cecil.
D
Hi
Zoe
hi
Karen,
hi,
Sharon,
hi,
Jordan,
hi
and
I
vote
I.
So
the
minutes
of
the
June
2023
urban
forestry
commission
is
approved.
B
Thank
you
again,
Mr
chairman
members
of
the
board.
Again
for
the
record.
My
name
is
Sam
Starbomb
planner
2,
with
the
city
of
Asheville
down
here
at
161,
South,
Charlotte,
Street
and
before
us.
Today
we
have
an
alternative
compliance
case
for
what
is
proposed
to
be
the
mission
health
behavioral
health
center.
The
address
is
32
Apex
Circle,
but
we're
going
to
get
into
where
this
is
sort
of
culturally
and
geographically.
So
moving
on,
you
can
see
the
request.
This
is
in
the
packets
provided
to
you.
B
What
is
happening
is
there
is
the
presence
of
an
underground
utility.
There
are
also
above
ground
utilities
and
a
railroad
right
of
way.
So
after
going
through
a
number
of
TRC
level
2
revisions,
they
have
proposed
to
relocate
the
required
33
trees
closer
along
Apex
Circle,
rather
than
Creighton
Road.
So
again,
these
street
names
this
project.
Where
is
it
what
am
I
talking
about
here?
You
can
see
the
first
context
map,
as
illustrated
by
that
little
gold
star
sort
of
gold
Sun.
It
is
immediately
north
of
I-40
and
the
Sweden
Creek
Road
interchange.
B
It
is
about
a
quarter
mile
south
as
the
crow
flies
from
the
Oakley
Southview
library
and
again
it
is
just
off
Sweeten,
Creek,
so
sweet
and
Creek.
You
take
Creighton
Road
for
one
tenth
of
a
mile
and
there's
Apex
Circle,
where
the
applicants
are
working
and
have
already
received
approval
at
the
level
two
level.
Four,
the
Behavioral
Health
Center.
B
You
can
also
see
from
a
zoning
perspective
that
this
site,
which
is
largest
for
its
area,
is
owned.
Hp
As,
you
move
north
Northeast.
You
will
see
that
this
is
largely
an
ocean
of
RSA,
that's
a
very
common
Oakley
neighborhood
Zoning
for
single
family
and
then,
as
you,
move
along
Sweeten,
Creek
you're,
going
to
see
a
mix
of
CI
moving
North
and
then,
as
you
go
south
beyond
the
interstate
moving
towards
the
boards,
I
guess
that
would
be
the
cemetery
that
is
also
just
largely
predominantly
commercial
industrial.
B
So
this
is
a
rarity
to
see
a
lot
of
this
size
and
also
HP,
but
of
course,
what
they
are
proposing
is
allowed
for
this
highway
business
district,
and
these
are
the
existing
conditions
I'm
talking
about
this
is
what
was
submitted
to
staff
for
Planning
and
Zoning.
Originally,
with
their
level
two
approval,
you
can
see
that
there
were
six
trees
already
within
the
railroad
right-of-way.
There
are
trees
where
there
are
above
the
utility
easement
or
excuse
me.
There
are
utilities
above
where
they
are
placing
the
trees.
B
That
is
also
in
the
easement,
and
then
there
is
this
new
kicker
wherein
there
is
a
12
inch
utility
running
along
where
they
should
have
the
trees
for
the
street
trees.
So
the
applicants
have
worked
diligently
to
find
ways
to
coordinate
with
a
railroad.
They
got
permission
for
that
they've
sort
of
worked
with
utilities.
That
has
been
a
challenge
even
though
they're
going
for
the
30-foot
onsetter
for
the
small
maturing
trees,
but
the
real
kicker
here
is
with
the
underground
utilities.
B
They
have
just
struggled
to
find
ways
to
place
trees
adequately,
which
brings
us
to
their
alternative
compliance
request.
Today,
I
will
go
ahead
and
show
this
is
looking
Creighton
Road
South.
You
can
see
a
number
of
utilities,
as
illustrated
by
the
red
circle.
This
is,
of
course,
not
showing
the
railroad
right-of-way
easement,
which
also
shows
up
a
little
bit
out
of
the
frame
from
where
this
photo
was
taken,
but
there
are
significant
present
challenges
in
terms
of
topography
and
the
utilities.
B
Of
course,
the
photo
doesn't
capture
what's
underground
as
well,
but
that
highlights
sort
of
the
challenges.
Basically,
where
the
the
landscape
planting
would
be
for
three
trees
that
we
traditionally
see
within
the
city
of
Asheville.
So
here
you
can
see
the
alternative
compliance
site
plan.
There
are
proposing
the
same
amount,
which
is
33
small,
maturing
trees.
B
These
are
the
cherry
trees
which
have
a
beautiful
blossom
in
the
spring
and
instead
of
spreading
them
out
sort
of
along
Creighton
Road
with
the
utility
challenges,
and
rather
other
overhead
challenges,
they
are
going
to
Bunch
them
as
you
go
into
Apex.
Circle
Apex
circle
is
the
private
right-of-way
that
will
exclusively
serve
this
Behavioral
Health
Center.
So
they
are
staggered
there
just
off
that
entrance,
so
it
will
give
the
same
pedestrian
experience
as
you're
going
into
Apex
Road.
B
They
are
meeting
the
number
of
trees
required,
so
there
is
no
reduction
in
canopy
coverage
or
trees
to
be
planted,
and
this
is
where
they're
placing
them.
The
challenge
is
just
going
along
Creighton
Road,
where
they
will
have
the
sidewalk,
but
there
is
not
enough
room.
Has
the
applicant
asserts
or
the
planting
strip
and
the
sidewalk?
They
have
also
worked
with
Transportation
previously
for
ssdm
requests
for
sidewalk
elements,
but
there
will
be
a
sidewalk
here
along
Creighton
Road,
moving
towards
again
Sweden
Creek
Road,
so
the
staff
findings.
B
There
are
significant
challenges
placed
by
the
utilities
in
terms
of
underground
pipes.
I
have
heard
from
not
just
crunk
engineering,
but
a
number
of
applicants
that
anytime
something's
underground
the
the
owners
of
those
easements
are
really
reticent
to
do
anything
to
relocate
that
it's
prohibitively
expensive
and
we
have
found
that
that
was
not
the
cause
of
the
applicant.
So
the
staff
has
has
found
that
this
meets
the
standards
and
is
sufficient
to
bring
before
you
for
your
consideration,
and
that
is
my
presentation.
B
E
I'm
sorry
I
didn't
get
a
chance
to
review
review
this.
What
species
of
prunus
is
this
and
how
many
feet
on
Center?
Are
they.
E
Onto
fungus
disease
and
if
they're
planted
real
close
together,
then
there's
not
enough
air
circulation
form,
then
they're
just
going
to
be
dropping
and
wilting
and
they're
not
going
to
perform
in
their
ultimate
manner
that
they're
going
to
need,
and
so
there
may
be
a
better
tree
for
them
depending
on
the
species
that
and
depending
on
how
close
they
are,
that
won't
give
them
so
much
grief.
So.
B
These
are
the
Kwanzan
if
that
helps
clarify
I'm,
not
sure
if
that
makes.
E
That
better,
but
I
I
know
that
species,
but
they're
I
mean
they're
they're.
Looking
like
they're
like
I,
don't
know
10
feet
on
Center
and
these
things
get
a
canopy
of
about
15
20
and
if
they're
not
pruned
I
mean
they
really
I
mean
these
would
do
much
better
having
less
trees
for
flour
than
more
there's
other
trees
that
we
could
plant
closer
together.
E
Let's
say
like
Birches
in
a
Grove
that
would
do
so
much
better
I
mean
it
may
not
give
them
their
flower,
they
want,
but
they
do
so
much
better
horticulturally
with
the
flower
flowering
tree
that
had
more
Standalone
room
and
could
do
its
flowering
tree
thing
with
less
problems,
principles.
D
H
Yeah
I
agree
with
you,
Sharon
I,
think
that
you
know
prunus
Kwanzan,
especially
typically
have
a
lot
of
issues
around
here.
My
question
for
the
applicant
is:
is
there
any
overhead
lines
or
anything
limiting
the
species
of
tree
to
only
small
canopy
trees.
A
Yeah
well,
this
is
Brad
Lipsy.
You
know
we
certainly
would
be
open
to
to
other
species
we
had.
You
know
we
had
originally
proposed
Kwanzan
because
of
the
overt
power
along
the
street
and
and
we're
trying
to
just
maintain
that
same
species
and
create
more
of
a
box
of
them.
You
know
on
either
side
of
the
of
the
drive
just
more
for
effect
than
anything
else.
They
are.
You
know
they
would
be
fairly
closely
planted,
but
certainly
you
know
we're
we're
open
to.
A
You
know:
alternative
species,
a
dip
alternative
spacing
and
whatever
the
you
know,
the
alternative
compliance
board
games
appropriate.
H
Yeah,
as
far
as
from
a
plant
Vigor
standpoint,
you
know
if
if
there
could
be
different
species
incorporated
as
opposed
to
just
planting
a
you
know,
one
single
species,
all
in
one
grouping
like
that
I
think
there
would
be
a
lot
more
resilient
over
time
and
then
also
there's
no
overhead
power
lines
or
anything.
Restricting
that,
obviously
putting
in
some
larger
specimen
trees
would
be
my
recommendation
and
you
know,
I
bring
that
in
with
other
smaller
trees,
but
there's
no
restraint
to
larger
trees.
E
Yeah
I
I
agree
I
like
to
know
how
many
feet
on
Center
we're
looking
at.
A
B
And
I
want
to
be
clear,
Mr
Dietrich
so
under
because
there
was
an
overhead
utility
present
in
their
initial
approval.
They
were
required
to
have
the
or
they
had
the
option
to
go.
Overhead
utilities
present
forestry
trees,
which
is
30
feet.
Remember
those
are
the
small
maturing
trees.
So
this
is
the
replacement
based
on
the
standard
for
what
is
required
from
a
zoning
perspective,
but
there
is
certainly
no
reason
why
they
can't
go
for
larger
trees
if
they
can
demonstrate
that
that
planting
is
outside
that
overhead
utility
easement.
H
D
D
If
not,
then,
but
yes,.
D
Oh
okay,
so
I
will
entertain
a
motion
on
this
alternative
compliance
request.
The
staff
has
decided
reviewed
their
requests
and
decided
that
it
meets
the
seven
criteria
by
which
the
urban
forestry
commission
needs
to
consider
in
terms
of
approving
or
disapproving
this
alternative
compliance
request.
D
So
if
there
is
a
motion
to
approve
in
in
that
motion,
we
want
to
recommend
a
different
kind
of
species
than
the
ones
that
the
applicant
has
proposed.
Then
we
can
make
that
recommendation
in
the
in
the
motion.
Yes,.
H
Patrick
is
there
a
way
to
approve
this,
with
the
condition
that
the
species
will
be
more
diverse,
and
if
there
are
no
overhead
lines,
the
species
will
change
because,
as
it
stands,
I
don't
think
it
addresses
plant,
bigger
and
health.
No.
E
A
We
we're
this
is
Brad
up
we're.
Certainly
you
know
more
than
willing
to
make,
though
you
know
any
adjustments
deemed
appropriate,
so
we
can
certainly
do
some
more
mature.
You
know
more
larger
trees,
canopy
trees
in
conjunction
with
a
all,
you
know
a
modified
spacing
of
some
flowering
ornamentals
just
as
they
you
know.
Instead
of
a
this,
you
know
kind
of
formal
boss,
variety.
We
have
here
a
more
natural
like
stick
planting
only
the
Side,
Drive
and
I.
H
Okay,
thank
you
I,
guess
Patrick.
Is
it
possible
to
prove
it,
as
is
with
that
Amendment
or
does
that
need
to
be
redone.
D
No
well
first,
let
me
ask
a
question
to
Nancy:
should
the
motion
to
approve
have
a
condition
attached
to
it
or
a
recommendation,
or
is
there
a
legal
distinction
between
the
two.
C
C
A
broader
species,
but
I
would
I
would
give
some
parameters
around
that.
So
what
does
a
broader
mix
of
species
mean?
Is
that
two
two
five
six
two?
Is
that
two
to
five
or
is
it
five
to
ten,
so
give
some
parameters
around
what
this
broader
species
mean
mix
mean?
D
E
What's
our
square
footage
I'm
thinking
that,
if
I
was
to
know
square
footage,
then
chardan
can
do
his
magic
math
in
his
head
and
call
out
a
percentage
of
large
and
then
the
rest
can
be
medium
to
small,
because
the
flowering
is
going
to
be
more
FL
on
the
smaller
side.
E
B
E
E
Because,
if
I'm
going
to
go
in
there
as
a
landscaper
and
put
some
trees
in
I'm
going
to
know
what
area,
if
I'm,
not
dealing
with
square
footage
and
I'm
looking
at
acreage,
so
I'll
know
that
I
can
put
in
five
large
maturing
trees
in
there
and
then
I've
got
room
for
six
small
trees
in
there
and
then
that'll
Encompass.
The
area
that
they're
trying
to
fill
in.
E
B
The
right
side
of
Apex
Road,
approximately,
not
specifically
based
on
what
was
provided.
You
have
about
700
square
feet,
I'm
guessing
it's
going
to
be
oh,
the
same,
if
not
less,
on
the
left-hand
side,
because
there
is
that
overhead
utility
easement
so
for
easy
match,
we'll
call
it
1400
square
feet
to
so.
E
There
so
that
means
we
do
have
overhead
I
thought
I
heard
that
we
had
no
overhead
in
that
area.
Well,.
B
We
do
as
you
move
further
chords,
Creighton
Road,
which
is
why
they
went
for
small
maturing
trees.
There
was
overhead
utility
easements
right
now
I
they
would
have
to
show
where
the
easement
is
for
the
new
plantings
to
show
they're
out
of
them,
or
they
can
show
that
there
are
small
maturing
species
in
there.
But
there
is
the
present
of
overhead
and
underground
utilities
on
this
site.
So
what.
E
I'm,
trying
yeah
what
I'm
trying
to
do
is
make
a
condition
with
recommendations
if
they
can
get
too
large
maturing
on
either
side
and
then
the
rest
being
medium
I'm.
Trying
to
so,
we
can
mix
the
species
up
for
them
and
still
follow
within
the
criteria
that
they
have
to
meet.
Does
that
make
sense
to
everybody.
G
Yeah
I'm
a
little
concerned
that
if
we
approve
it
with
a
recommendation
for
the
zoning
administrator
will
handle
that
doesn't
mean
we've
approved.
What's
going
to
happen,
it
means
we've
approved
an
idea
that
may
or
may
not
be
implemented.
G
D
B
Whatever
you
approve
you're
still
approving
just
you're
just
providing
a
recommendation
so
you're
it
would
be
a
different
recommendation.
It
would
be
more
specific.
What
you
can
certainly
do
is
you
can
condition
in
your
recommendation
that
they
work
with
the
level
2
reviewer
and
Sharon,
who
is
level
three
reviewers
myself
on
this
to
come
up
with
a
species
that
is
appropriate
for
Planning
and
Zoning
staff
and
a
UFC
liaison,
which
sure
has
also
worked
I
believe
on
the
level
two
for
this.
H
H
You
know
making
a
specific
recommendation
right
now,
just
based
on
you
know,
you
know
rough
square
footage
and-
and
it
seems
a
little
rushed
to
me
and
I
kind
of
agree
with
Cecil
in
that
you
know
we're
just
approving
a
recommendation
and
I
I
get
that
we're
always
approving
a
recommendation,
but
I'd
rather
see
a
set
plan
in
place
by
the
landscape
architect,
as
opposed
to
trying
to
do
the
work
right
here.
Last
minute,.
D
So
I'll
just
point
out
to.
D
To
that,
if
we
table
or
postpone
this
today,
then
it
won't
be
brought
back
to
us
until
the
first
Tuesday
in
August.
E
Yeah
I
think
that's
burdensome
myself.
I
mean
I've
reviewed.
So
many
of
these
that
and
I
understand
it's
kind
of
rushed
and
on
the
fly,
but
it's
in
a
good
area
and
it's
a
good
amount
of
trees
going
in
and
they've
got
professional
designers
I,
don't
think
that
they
were
just
prepared
for
our
species.
E
E
I
just
hate
to
hold
this
up
so
long
having
reviewed
so
many
of
these
for
me,
it'd
be
different
if
I
had
a
residential
community
on
one
side,
that
was
more
concerned
about
the
what
was
going
on,
but
they've
really
jumped
through
hoops
trying
to
make
it
through
the
underground
over
and
the
railroad,
and
so
they
had
just
jumped
jumped
through
a
lot
and
I
just
hate
to
put
them
off
two
more
months.
When
we
can
call
out,
I
could
call
out
and
say
Hey.
E
You
know,
I,
don't
know
anybody
else
has
any
other
I
know
you've
already
stated
it
I
just
hate
to
see
us
put
it
off
any
longer.
D
Okay,
is
there
any
further
discussion
or
questions
I'm
still
looking
for
emotion
in
a
second.
D
G
D
60
Seconds,
okay,
you've
heard
the
motion
it's
been
seconded.
Is
there
any
discussion
on
the
motion.
D
H
I
wonder:
would
there
be
some
specific
language
around
species
diversity
in
their
sharing.
E
D
But
do
you
want
to
amend
the
motion
to
include
that.
D
Okay,
does
the
maker
of
the
motion
and
the
person
in
the
seconder
accept
that
amendment
I.
G
D
Okay,
all
right,
so
the
you've
heard
the
amendment
I
mean
the
motion
as
amended.
If
there
is
no
further
discussion
or
questions,
then
I
will
call
the
question
Karen.
E
D
E
K
D
And
I
vote
I,
so
the
alternative
compliance
request
with
the
added
conditions
that
the
commission
has
included
in
the
approval
has
been
approved.
Thank
you
all
very
much,
thank
you
Sam
and
Bradley
and
Justin.
Thank
you
very
much.
Okay,
all
right
public
comment.
D
Okay,
then,
we'll
move
on
to
staff
reports
to
the
arborist
mark.
J
Well,
we
spent
the
last
couple
days
responding
to
15
different
locations
for
trees
or
parts
of
trees
coming
down
into
the
roads
and
onto
City
facilities
and
whatever
from
the
weather
over
the
weekend,
which
just
gets
in
the
way
of
us
doing
our
normal
thing
of
working
on
trees
that
people
called
us
about
Advance.
The
nice
thing
is
that
oftentimes,
the
ones
that
they
call
us
about,
you
know
don't
fall
down.
They
just
keep
standing
there
and
mocking
us
and
entirely
different
trees
fall
down
in
the
storms.
J
So
that's
kind
of
a
weird
thing,
but
I'm
okay
with
it
no
special
pest
stuff
going
on
right
now
or
any
you
know
special
initiatives
or
anything
we
can.
We
concluded
our
60-day
pruning
spurt
for
the
downtown
safety
initiative
and
it
seems
like
that
went
pretty.
Well,
nothing
really
further
to
report.
You
have
any
questions
for
me.
I
Thank
you
very
much
so
yeah,
so
I've
kind
of
been
busy
with
visiting
some
landowners
up
in
the
Sleep
slopes
area.
Answering
questions.
I
I
That
is,
you
know,
oddly
out
of
the
the
the
city
limits
by
only
a
few
feet,
but
a
takedown
that
I
think
that
would
be
worthwhile
for
some.
Some
footage,
for
you
know
some
Outreach
later
on
I
think,
would
be
a
a
good
way
to
put
it
other
than
that.
I
You
know
just
approving
permits
and
kind
of
getting
around
that,
and
you
know
always
having
to
reach
back
out
to
folks
and
but
you
know
always
good
good
intentions,
so
been
doing
a
lot
of
that
as
well.
A
lot
of
reading,
I
I,
don't
think
I've
done
as
much
as
I've
done
last
time,
but
a
lot
of
reading
and
kind
of
information
gathering
r
d.
I
That
sort
of
thing-
and
then
probably
the
biggest
thing
I've
done
since
the
last
meeting-
is
I,
attended
the
Southeast
trees
and
law
symposium
that
was
put
on
be
by
the
North
Carolina
Urban
Forest
Council.
They
had
three
speakers
come
on
there
and
you
know
just
kind
of
the
the
lawyer
who
was
actually
on
there
gave
this
just
you
know
really
really
sad
story
of
this
couple.
I
That
was,
their
lives
were
taken
because
of
a
free
Branch
that
had
been
documented
over
a
period
of
like
eight
years.
So
you
know
it's
and
then
they
talked
about.
You
know
trees
on
Mount,
but
like
boundary,
trees
and
neighboring
trees,
and
you
know
what
the
law
essentially
is
on
that
and
and
then
there
was
also
another
presenter
who
talked
about
risk
asset
assessment
as
well
on
different
streets.
So
you
know
all
in
all.
It
was
a
really
good
session.
I
I
think
it
was
about
four
hours
long,
so
it
was
a
good
long
session,
but
I
learned
a
lot.
A
lot
of
it
was
stuff
that
I
already
knew,
but
it
certainly
was
stuff
that
you
know.
I
I
did
learn
quite
a
bit
and
you
know
I'll
be
able
to
apply
it
going
forward.
D
I
Ed
Ed
and
I
met
down
at
one
of
the
local
breweries
and.
I
And-
and
you
know,
kind
of
set
some
some
things
forward.
He
gave
me
a
lot
of
things
to
read,
of
course,
so
I'm
kind
of
following
up
on
some
of
the
recommendations
there
and
you
know
I,
hope
to
or
I
look
forward
to
meeting
with
him
in
the
future.
To
as
we
go
forward
with
the
master
points.
A
F
Hey
I
was
just
thinking
about
steep
slope
Outreach
and
how
we
can
educate
people
better
about
the
guidelines
for
those
areas
and
something
that
someone
suggested
to
me
is
that
when
a
property
is
purchased,
it
goes
through
the
tax
office
and
perhaps
for
those
areas
welcomed.
You
know,
welcome
letter,
but
also
guidelines
of
a
steep
slope.
The
Sleep,
steep
slope
ordinance
could
be
included
I'm
just
putting
that
out
there
as
something
to
think
about.
I
Yeah,
that's
something
I
actually
had
down
on
my
notes
that
I
had
originally
thought
about.
I
As
you
know,
we're
thinking
about
Outreach,
you
know:
I
I
had
a
little
discussion
with
the
the
cape
folks
and
you
know
on
how
we
best
can
we
can
reach
those
people
and,
and
that
sort
of
thing,
so
we
we
we're
just
in
the
the
beginning,
talks
of
that
but
I
think
just
kind
of
getting
up
in
those
communities
getting
a
hold
of
the
HOAs
and
start
meeting
with
the
HOAs
up
in
those
areas
and
just
kind
of
giving
the
word
out.
I
Would
you
know
and
and
just
plan
on
Word
of
Mouth,
but
also
I
understand
the
the
welcome
packet
would
be
a
great
idea.
You
know,
and
that
could
be
done.
You
know
when
they
sign
the
papers
in
the
lawyer's
office
or
you
know
whatever
I
mean
there
has
to
be
some
some
sort
of
I
guess
you
know
I,
don't
want
to
throw
a
bunch
of
rules
at
them.
I
want
it
to
be.
You
know
as
friendly
as
possible,
and
you
know
what
we
expect.
I
You
know
the
the
the
pitfalls
and
risks
of
living
in
steep
slopes,
the
benefits
you
know
to
your
health
and
you
know
the
wildlife,
and
you
know
all
that
good
stuff,
so
yeah.
It's
definitely
something
I
want
to
look
forward
to
in
the
future.
Whether
that's
that's
going
to
be
a
a
document
or
you
know
maybe
like
a
little
web
page
or
a
you
know
an
app
who
knows
you
know
it's
something
we
can
look
look
forward
to
in
the
future.
D
G
Keith
I'm
not
quite
clear
to
what
degree
your
job
now
involves
enforcement
regarding
steep
slopes
are
yeah
is
it
is
it
are?
Is
your
position
simply
advisory
or
Does?
It
include
enforcement.
I
So
far
it
has
not
included
enforcements
and
I,
don't
think,
we've
really
Set
any
of
my
duties
enforcement
yet,
but
I'm
certainly
going
to
be.
You
know,
training,
Code,
Compliance
officers,
you
know
on
what
I
know
and
what
kind
of
things
I'm
seeing
out
there
are.
You
know
on
the
couple
site
visits
that
I
did
do
with
the
Code
Compliance
officers.
I
I
was
able
to
you,
know,
determine
you
know
tree
species
of
you
know,
trees
that
were
cut
in
the
steep
slope
area
that
that
should
have
should
not
have
been
cut
so
and-
and
that
was
you
know,
information
that
the
code
compliant
officers.
Don't
really
know
you
know
they
just
they
have
when
they
go
out
in
the
field,
they
should
have
stumps
there.
They
don't
necessarily
know
the
species
or
you
know
what
was
cut.
I
That
sort
of
thing,
so
you
know
that's
information
that
they
can
use
in
the
future,
so
I
think
for
right.
Now
we're
just
gonna.
Stick
with
you
know,
information
on
only
you
know,
I've
just
been
going
out.
You
know
it
will
get.
You
know
free
removal
permits
and
or
somebody
that
just
has
a
question
about
a
treatment
removal
permit
that,
if
that's
the
case-
and
it's
usually
in
a
steep
slope
area
I
will
you
know
make
a
site
visit
to
you
know
at
least
talk
to
landowner
about.
I
You
know
what
they
have
and
you
know
what
they
don't
have.
Sometimes
I
I
think
most
of
them
are
very
open
to
new
ideas,
but
also
there's
a
few
out
there
who
you
know,
have
lived
here
a
while
and
you
know,
are
kind
of
free,
audio
and
pre-ordinates
in
certain
situations.
So
there's
there's
really,
maybe
not
so
much.
We
can
do
there,
but
you
know
certainly
trying
to
ask
people
to
do
the
right
thing.
I
guess
is
my
biggest
thing.
I.
G
Certainly
hope
that
your
information
to
the
Code
Compliance
people
will
have
some
effects
because
I
mean
I
have
a
personal
thing,
which
Sharon
knows
well
just
uphill
from
me
on
a
steep
slope,
a
new
buyer,
clear-cut,
a
property
without
any
permits
bulldozed
without
any
permits
caused
a
landslide
without
any
permits,
and
the
city
did
nothing.
The
city
went
up
and
talked
to
him
and
said:
maybe
you
should
plant
some
things
and
he
has
planted
some
things,
so
we
have
Twigs
sticking
out
of
the
ground
where
there
were
old
trees.
G
It
infuriates
me
that
I've
been
working
on
this
issue
for
13
or
14
years
now
and
I
can't
seem
to
get
City
to
enforce
the
law
I
it
drives
me
nuts.
Anyway.
That's
not
your
thing,
but
I
just
wanted
to
say
that.
I
That's
all
right,
sir.
No
problem,
yeah
I,
know
that
you
know
I
I,
think
we
all
kind
of
know
that
you
know
there
are
certain
things
that
have
happened
in
steep
slopes
that
maybe
shoot
or
shouldn't
have
and
I.
Think
that's
why
you
know
Karen's
recommendation
for
like
some
sort
of
Welcome
package
or
something
you
know
how
to
live
in
Forest.
You
know
what
to
expect
what
not
to
expect
you
know
stuff
like
that
that
people
don't
really
realize
that
are
coming
in
from
you
know.
I
Maybe
urban
areas
or
coastal
areas
that
sort
of
thing
so
yeah
I
think
it's
it's
all
about.
You
know
getting
that
word
out
and
letting
people
know,
because
otherwise
I
think
people
just
assumed
it's
their
land
and
they
could
do
whatever
they
went
with.
But
it's
not
the
case.
E
Keith
you're
very
nice
I'm
on
the
school
of
Cecil
Bothwell
school
I,
live
on
a
steep
slope,
mountain
and
I
watch
him
clear-cut.
All
the
time
and
I've
made
reports.
I
finally
have
just
pretty
well
given
up.
E
Are
we
still
seeing
violations
happening
in
steep
slopes,
so
people
will
comply
and
that,
hopefully
we
will
see
an
alternative
compliance
designs
that
will
mitigate
this
as
opposed
to
I
mean
Jay
golly.
We
shouldn't
be
doing
that.
I
Yeah,
you
know
once
again:
I
always
tell
people,
you
know,
especially
the
people
that
I'm
going
out
and
talk
to
in
the
steep
slopes
and
I'll
even
talk
to
somebody
that
you
know
I
I
wasn't
going
up
there.
If
I
see
someone
walking
along
the
road,
you
know
I
just
stop
and
talk
to
him
and
you
know
kind
of
slip
in
there.
You
know,
if
you
see
something
you
know,
let
us
know
you
know
and
I
give
them
a
card.
I
You
know
letting
them
know
I'm
out
there
and
you
know
now,
there's
you
know
a
set
of
eyes.
You
know
I
guess
in
the
area,
rather
than
you
know,
no
one.
You
know
maybe
going
up
there
only
to
do
a
an
inspection.
I
I
I
think
there
are
still
violations
happening
in
the
steep
slopes
that
you
know
are
are
happening
after
the
inspections
or
you
know
happening
further
down
the
road
when
you
know
essentially
a
lot
of
those
landowners,
don't
know
what
they
can
do
with
their
forests
or
what
they
they
should
or
should
not
do
or
well.
E
Some
do
I
mean
I,
know,
I
know
there
are
a
few
that
don't
but
there's
a
lot
to
do.
A
lot
have
been
around
here
have
lived
here
a
long
long
long
time,
as
my
neighbor
above
me,
who's
clear-cut,
it
and
I've
had
to
report
her
several
times
and
she's,
still
clear-cut
it
and
now
she's
planting
mimosa
trees.
So
you
know
I
know.
E
Thank
you
Cecil
of
what
I'm
saying
is
that
there's
some
of
us
that
just
don't
know
and
then
there's
the
rest
of
us
that
do
know
and
are
going
to
ask
for
forgiveness
later
and
I
am
personally
tired
of
the
Forgiveness
later
so
if
we've
got
some
Goodwill
going
going
on
one
end
with.
E
I
I
You
know
and
at
least
be
out
there
as
a
set
of
eyes
being
like
hey,
you
know,
I
I
saw
you
know
like
I
mean
I
I,
one
of
the
guys
that
one
of
the
properties
I
visited
this
week.
Actually,
you
know
I
told
him
on
the
way
up,
but
I
was
you
know
he
was.
He
was
kind
of
going
back
and
forth
with
me
about.
You
know
whether
you
know
I
thought.
You
know,
in
my
opinion,
whether
I
thought
this
was
fair
or
not
and
I
was
like.
I
Well,
you
know
it's
in
the
ordinance.
This
is
how
it's
written,
and
this
is
how
it
should
be
interpreted
and
then
it
you
know
it
was
really
about
like
what
can
I
get
away
with
you
know,
like
you
know,
I
have
an
arborist,
I
have
a
tree
guy,
you
know,
and
the
tree
guy
I'll
do
anything
I
want.
I
You
know,
and
that's
what
he
told
me
you
know
so
I
was
like
you
know:
I,
don't
really
know
how
to
react
to
those
situations
yet
other
than
just
to
kind
of
pick
them
in,
and
you
know
try
to
make
the
best
of
that
situation.
So
you
know
and
what
it
really
came
down
to
was.
You
know,
I
told
him
he,
the
treaty,
that
he
was
worried
about,
and
this
weren't
necessarily
greasy
should
be
worried
about.
I
It
was
all
a
a
problem
that
he
was
having
his
with
his
neighbor
essentially
and
that's
why
the
trees
were
there
and
he
didn't
want
to.
They
had
been
taught
for
years
and
that
sort
of
thing,
but
you
know
I,
told
him
he
he
had
so
many
invasives
Atlantis
in
his
yard,
and
everything
like
that.
I
was
like
man,
I,
wouldn't
even
worry
about
these
trees.
These
are
good.
You
need
to
worry
about
your
your
invasive
trees
that
are
in
your
yard,
because
that's
what's
essentially
gonna.
You
know
degrade
everything
on.
E
Your
site
so
right,
but
yes
thank
you.
Yeah
yeah.
D
Thank
you,
Zoe
Hoyle
and
then
we're
gonna
have
to
move
on.
L
Right
I
was
just
one
I,
just
wondered
in
Sharon
and
Cecil's
case,
where
your
neighbors
ever
penalized
actually.
E
In
my
case,
no-
and
they
never
are
I,
had
a
neighbor
take
down
over
200
400
year
old
oak
trees.
E
Doing
a
development
and
I
could
go
in
Zoe
I've
been
involved
in
this
for
a
long
time,
there's
so
many
variations
on,
depending
on
who's
going
out
and
looking
at
it
and
who
deals
with
it
and
whose
screens
allowed
us
to
get
some
kind
of
result
on
it.
So
far,
that's
been
my
my
take
on
it.
G
My
experience
is
that
the
city
finally
came
out
after
repeated
requests
at
the
repeated
discussions
on
what
then
was
the
tree
commission
the
owner
even
came
in
and
defended
himself
before
the
tree
commission
and
lied.
And,
finally,
the
city
went
out
and
talked
to
him
and
convinced
him
that
he
needed
to
replace
some
trees.
Whether
he's
replaced
well,
he
couldn't
I
know
he
hasn't
replaced
all
the
ones
he
took
out.
G
G
The
city
refused
to
find
anyone
I
think
the
city
should
somehow
hold
the
landscape
people
to
account
I
mean
they
had
a
bulldozer
over
there
flat.
You
know
pulling
out
all
those
dumps
and
everything.
If
the
contractors
had
a
five
thousand
dollar
fine,
they
would
stop.
That's
my
view.
The
city
is
not
doing
anything.
In
my
view,.
D
So
enforcement
has
been
a
matter
of
discussion,
probably
as
long
as
I've
been
on
the
urban
forestry
commission,
whether
it's
deep
slope
or
other
areas
of
the
ordinance.
D
D
All
right,
so
we
will
form
a
a
ordinance
enforcement
working
group
and
Cecil
Bothwell
Aaron
McNeil
and
chardan
Dietrich,
and
you
three
can
decide
who's
going
to
chair
that
working
group
and
schedule
a
meeting
to
review
the
enforcement
practices
of
the
ordinance
and
make
a
report
to
the
next
urban
forestry
Commission.
D
D
M
Hey
Patrick
yeah
I'm,
here
hi,
Chris,
howdy,
so
Keith
reached
out
and
then
mentioned
that
you
guys
are
interested
in
an
update.
I
was
hoping
to
have
more
but
I'm
waiting
on
a
lot
of
info
from
some
other
folks,
but
conceptually
I
can
give
you
some
updates,
as
we
work
through
some
processes
with
Asheville
GreenWorks
but
prior
to
Memorial
Day.
M
We
had
some
conversations
with
Asheville
GreenWorks
about
running
our
tree
neighborhood
planting
program,
which
is
the
program
that
we
had
already
planned
on
moving
forward
with
with
replanting
some
of
the
trees
in
private
Lots
throughout
the
East
Asheville
area,
I'm
waiting
on
a
proposal
from
them.
That
is
likely
that
they
will
do
that
portion
of
the
project.
For
us,
if
not
we'll,
move
forward
with
nurseries
like
we
originally
planned.
M
So
we
identified
three
different
locations
on
the
course
where
a
nursery
setup
could
work
and
I
don't
have
estimates
from
them.
Yet
on
how
many
trees
that
would
be,
but
I
think
it
was
well
north
of
100.
As
far
as
the
footprint
that
was
available,
that
they
could
plant
and
then
cycle
through
periodically
similar
to
a
program.
They
just
started
down
near
Azalea
Park.
M
Recently
I
was
hoping
to
get
a
proposal
from
them
prior
to
this
meeting,
but
I
haven't
really
had
any
returned
emails
or
phone
calls
since
before
Memorial
Day
on
that,
so
I
don't
really
have
any
great
updates
on
it.
But
that's
a
conceptual
plan
that
we're
working
towards
with
Asheville
GreenWorks.
At
the
moment,
Sarah
Sharon.
K
Yeah,
it
would
be
100
trades
per
site
and
I
will
check
in
with
Eric.
I
know
that
we
definitely
want
to
do
this.
I
will
give
him
a
nudge
to
get
in
touch
with
you
awesome.
M
I
didn't
even
see
you
on
there.
Thank
you
so
yeah.
She
is
well
knowledged
on
what
I'm
talking
about
here
and
it
could
be
a
great
program
for
sure.
M
I
have
to
dig
that
up.
I
want
to
say.
K
D
D
D
H
Update
on
soil,
remediation
and
decompacting
of
the
areas
that
missionary
was
working
and
parking
on.
M
Yeah,
so
we
don't
officially
have
them
contracted,
but
Black
Mountain,
arborist
Jenny
and
her
husband,
I.
Think
Scott
was
his
name.
A
M
M
I
believe
it
was
six
total
variations
of
oak
trees,
around
number
12
T,
around
number
14
green
and
around
number
16
green,
the
numbers
being
the
whole
the
golf
holes
and
included
in
that
they
were
willing
to
do
some
additional
training
for
the
Course
Maintenance
crew,
like
the
the
guys
and
ladies
that,
are
there
365
on
you
know
how
to
take
care
of
trees,
what
you
can
do
that
doesn't
hurt
trees
and
what
you
can
do,
that
does
hurt
trees
and
things
you
don't
even
realize
you're
doing
just
so
like
they
can
have
awareness
of
when
they're
around
the
trees.
M
I
was
hoping
to
kind
of
bundle
all
of
the
tree
related
stuff
together.
So
we
have
not
acted
on
that.
Yet
I
was
planning
to
do
that
once
we
knew
for
sure
we
were
moving
forward
with
the
nursery
and
all
of
that
plan,
but
they
are
100
on
board
with
helping
and
creating
kind
of
a
tree
management
plan.
M
You
guys
probably
know
a
lot
more
than
I
do
about
it,
but
one
of
the
trees,
specifically
at
16
green,
has
like
a
really
hard
lean
towards
the
road,
because
it's
really
heavy
on
one
side
and
they
were
going
to
help
try
to
reduce
the
weight
on
one
side
of
the
tree
and
try
to
bring
it
back
to
a
better
shape,
for
example,
and
that
tree
also,
they
were
planning
on
using
an
air
Spade
around
the
dirt
there
and
then
re
bringing
the
dirt
back
in
and
putting
some
Mulch
and
everything
around.
M
So
there's
kind
of
a
plan
being
put
together
around
all
that,
and
we
would
invigorate
them
around
the
same
time
that
we
know
for
sure
we're
able
to
move
forward
with
the
nursery,
because
it
kind
of
ties
together
in
a
sense.
H
Cool
well
thanks
I'm,
happy
to
hear
that
yep
action
is
being
taken
there
and
it's
also
exciting
news
about
the
nurseries.
D
E
Hi
Chris,
so
I
got
a
list
and
I'm
not
sure
how
old
it
is
when
you
identified
H3
on
each
hole,
how
many
were
going
to
be
removed,
how
many
were
going
to
be
pruned
and
I
think
this
is
our
latest
updated
where
we
had
a
total
of
157
that
were
going
to
be
removed,
38
to
be
pruned
so
I'm,
assuming
that
you
were
working
off
of
this
list
at
some
point
in
time
that
was
given
to
us
and
you're
up
working
off
of
this
list.
E
You
know
I'm
looking
for
a
date
on
this
and
I
saved
every
darn
thing
and
I
don't
see
a
date
on
the
bottom
of
this
that
you
presented
to
us.
E
I
was
looking
at
the
bottom
of
it
and
I.
Don't
understand
it's
a
cover
letter
on
it.
E
E
M
So
the
final
list
was
to
remove
111
trees
and
prune
83
prior
to
starting
the
project.
One
of
the
removable
trees
fell
on
its
own
and
then
a
post
oak
on
hole
number
16
during
the
process.
We
determined
not
to
remove
and
left
that
tree
there,
so
we
got
to
the
109
and
the
total
pruned
trees.
We
didn't
actually
keep
track
of
that,
mainly
because
it
didn't
seem
like
too
many
people
cared
too
much,
but
we
didn't
prune
as
many
as
we
originally
planned.
E
Well,
yeah
and
I
know
that
you
did
number
each
tree,
yes,
so
and
I'm,
assuming
that
you
would
have
if
I
know
everything
changes
I've
been
in
the
business
a
long
time,
but
I
do
know
that
you
would
have
kept
the
same
tree
with
the
same
number
that
way
for
identification
purposes
with
whomever
you
hire
to
come
out
to
do
the
work
so
I'm,
assuming
that
you've
got
a
number
for
a
tree
that
was
removed
attached
to
something
somewhere
and
that's
what
I'm.
E
Looking
for
I'm
looking
for
wet
and
hole,
number
five
I've
got
about
33
trees
right
that
are
going
to
be
removed
and
I
know
that
I'm
hole
number
five.
Maybe
you
removed
20
of
those
trees,
I'm
looking
for
a
more
accountability
of
what
actually
has
gone
on
I,
don't
know
if
that's
too
much
to
ask
for
or
if
that's
even
available
somewhere,
no.
M
I
mean
I
can
provide
the
updated
list
again.
It
would
have
been
the
list
that
we
brought
to
this
group
I
want
to
say
in
January,
so
that
that
number,
that
sheet
you're
looking
at
there
was
from
the
fall
sometime.
The
final
list
that
we
provided
in
January
had
the
updates
and
when
we
did
add
or
remove
treason,
for
example
like
I'm
looking
at
in
between
hole,
number,
nine
and
ten.
M
E
M
Number
is
no
longer
with
them.
There
are
a
few
still
up
there.
I've
asked
the
maintenance
guys
to
get
domestic
go
around
I
think
they
just
keep
forgetting,
but
there
are
a
few
trees
that
still
have
some
ribbons,
but
most
of
them
the
ribbons
are
off.
So
there's
no
longer
a
number
like
on
the
given
tree.
E
Okay,
so
when
I'm
I
guess
I'm
looking
for
is
whatever
the
most
updated
information
you
have
on
which
trees
are
actually
gone,
okay
and
that
would
and
I'm
sure
I've
got
your
January
one
somewhere
I
just
have
to
sort
through
where
I
filed
it
and
that
way
I
can
keep
track
because
we
get
I,
don't
know
if
anybody
else
I
get
a
lot
of
emails,
you
know
and
I
I,
just
I
just
send
them
wherever
I
send
them
to,
but
it
would
be
nice
to
have
a
little
more
information
to
say
that
that
tree
looking
on
was
dead
and
dying
and
it's
gone
or
I
don't
know
about
that
tree.
M
I'll
look
and
see,
but
I
think
it
is
and
if
not
I'll
make
sure
it's
the
right
one.
That's
up
there.
Okay,
yeah
thanks.
F
I
just
wanted
to
ask
about
some
Community
concerns
regarding
regarding
the
pruning
from
a
couple
months
ago,
that
was
not
done
to
ISA
standards,
and
there
was
some
discussion
of
the
enforcement
of
consequences
to
the
crew
that
did
the
pruning
and
I
was
wondering
if
you
could
share
any
details
about
that.
G
H
Is
or
the
Black
Mountain
arborist?
Are
they
helping
any
trees
that
were
pruned
or
they
just
treating
the
trees
with
compaction
around
them?.
M
They're,
helping,
let's
see
I,
think
three
of
the
six
or
seven
trees
are
three
of
the
six
trees
have
been
pruned.
The
other
ones
were
not
pruned
trees.
M
We
we
kind
of
picked
like
oh
man,
Eric
with
Asheville
GreenWorks,
would
tell
me
a
different
name
for
it,
because
I
can't
remember
the
name
he
uses,
but
we're
kind
of
treating
them
as
like
Heritage
trees.
If
you
will
that
are
like
these
are
like
focused
trees,
that
should
exist
in
the
golf
course
and
like
can
become
those
trees.
D
Okay,
thank
you.
Chris
appreciate,
yes,.
D
Okay,
thank
you.
No
all
right,
Chris!
Well,
thank
you
for
your
presentation
and
we'll
look
forward
to
a
revised
report
with
specific
numbers.
M
Yeah
I
dropped
the
link
for
that
in
the
chat
and
it's
on
the
project
website,
which
is
Asheville
gc.com
Renovations,
but
that
link
there
I'll
take
you
to
that
updated
list.
Okay,.
D
Thank
you
Chris.
Thank
you.
Commission
members.
We're
going
to
move
on
to
the
next
item,
which
is
a
landscaping
standards
update,
Padilla.
N
Hi
everybody
I'm
not
sure
if
it's
my
system
or
everybody's,
but
it
seems
kind
of
spotty,
because
everybody's
okay,
good,
so
I'll,
try
to
go
through
this
kind
of
quickly.
Some
of
you
have
been
involved
since
we
actually
started
this
about
two
years
ago.
N
I
have
a
little
slide
Deck
with
about
13
slides.
So
let
me
start
it
and
feel
free
to
interrupt
at
any
point
to
ask
questions.
N
Is
it
showing
up
for
you?
Yes,
okay,
so
first
a
little
bit
of
backgrounds.
Why
are
we
doing
these
code
updates?
Some
of
you
were
intimately
involved,
but
this
slide
just
highlights
two
sort
of
pivotal
pivotal
events
that
have
precipitated
this.
N
We
had
a
task
force
that
worked
on
changes
to
open
space
code
and
as
a
part
of
that
process,
it
was
decided
that,
rather
than
Implement
new
open
space
regulations
in
the
downtown
that
we
would
develop
instead
improved
Landscaping
standards,
and
there
was
a
long
discussion
in
that.
But
the
the
short
end
of
it
is
that
that
there
was
an
agreement
that
linked
with
the
open
space
changes
we
we
would
improve.
Landscaping
another
is
that
the
river
quality
of
the
French
Broad
has
been
downgraded.
N
This
is
a
huge
driver
for
industry
in
this
area
and
and
it
provides
lots
of
jobs
and
it
continues
to
erode
and
so
anything
that
we
can
do
in
the
long
run,
to
improve
the
number
of
tools
that
we
have
to
mitigate
storm
water
and
to
make
our
Rivers
cleaner
is
going
to
to
benefit
us.
So
so
we
have
some
opportunity
with
these
changes
to
Landscaping,
to
make
make
those
improvements.
N
This
slide
highlights
on
what
we're
talking
about
so
we're
looking
at
changing
the
urban
landscape
code,
the
Udo
section,
711-3
I,
just
highlighted
these
six
primary
parts
of
the
code
and
just
to
highlight
one
key
change
that
we're
we're
proposing.
One
is
that
today
we
have
building
impact
Landscaping,
which
it
really
is
an
ordinance
that
requires
more
trees
on
a
site
depending
on
how
much
building
you
have.
N
So,
if
you
have
more
building,
you
have
to
provide
more
trees
and
it's
problematic
as
this
image
shows
here
and
so
we're
proposing
to
remove
the
build
the
the
building
impact
standard
partially.
This
is
this
was
talked
about
when
we
were
rolling
out
tree
canopy
preservation,
but
we
never
actually
removed
it.
N
N
But
if
it's
a
larger
building
like
the
one
on
the
right,
the
building
impact
trees
actually
has
to
provide
more
than
double
and
there's
actually
no
space
to
provide
those
trees.
So
you
can
see
how
it's
really
problematic,
so
we're
proposing
to
remove
building
impact
and
to
increase,
because
we
can
increase
the
tree.
Canopy
preservation
trees,
a
little
bit
for
for
part
of
the
tree,
canopy
preservation,
trees.
N
Another
key
change
is
to
add
new
standard
for
for
some
buildings
in
the
city
to
require
green
roofs.
This
is
the
planting
of
of
soil,
and
you
know
short
grasses
on
on
buildings,
to
mitigate
storm
water
and
to
help
slow
it
down.
So
I'll
talk
about
that
a
little
bit.
N
Some
key
changes
overall
that
I'll
just
throw
out
here
in
bullets.
One
is
that
we
are
proposing
to
establish
minimum
soil
volumes
for
trees.
This
is
probably
the
biggest
change
that
I'm
most
excited
about.
Today.
N
We
don't
have
any
minimum
standards
for
soil
volumes
for
trees,
except
for
downtown,
which
many
people
didn't
even
know
we
had,
so
we
really
haven't
been
enforcing
it,
but
the
new
standards
would
require
between
10
and
40
times,
the
amount
of
soil
for
any
tree
that
we
require
today,
and
that
soil
would
be
not
compacted,
which
is
the
big
part
of
the
problem
right
three
routes.
N
They
need
air
and
and
water
to
be
able
to
grow,
and
so
not
only
are
they
getting
more
soil,
but
we'll
have
a
process,
and
that's
the
next
bullet
here
of
our
changes,
a
process
to
make
sure
that
the
trees
and
Landscapes
are
installed
correctly.
So
so
every
project
would
have
to
contract
with
a
third-party
professional
to
make
sure
that
that
happens
correctly.
N
We're
adjusting
Street
trees
a
little
bit
saying
that
they
can
be
planted.
30
feet
from
the
edge
of
pavement
instead
of
today
is
20
feet.
This
is
important
because
it's
one
of
the
the
most
sought
after
alternative
compliance
requests,
and
so
we
just
thought:
let's
make
it
easier
on
staff
and
everybody
for
reviewing
to
just
allow
straight
trees
to
be
planted
further.
N
Usually
this
is
because
of
utilities,
so
the
standard
would
be
you
plant
it
as
close
to
the
edge
of
pavement
you
can,
but
if
there's
a
utility
or
other
constraint
you're
allowed
to
set
it
further
back
for
parking
lot,
Landscaping
we're
proposing
to
reduce
the
amount
of
trees
required
today
we
we
have
to
for
the
standard
one.
Second
sweetie,
sorry,
my
son
just
run
in
here
we
a
lot.
We
we
require
about
37
of
the
parking
area
to
be
for
parking
lot
trees.
N
We
are
proposing
to
reduce
that
because
we're
requiring
so
much
more
soil
volume
we
we
want
to
basically
allow
for
the
same
configuration
of
of
parking
lot.
Islands,
we'll
we'll
just
see
fewer
trees
in
them,
but
those
trees
will
grow
a
lot
larger.
So
it's
it's
likely
that
with
less
we'll
get
more
we're
proposing
to
make
some
adjustments
to
the
appropriate
species
list.
This
is
the
recommended
tree
list,
but
it's
been
recommended
that
we
rename
it
to
be
called
the
appropriate
species
list.
N
Some
changes,
such
as
certain
trees,
wouldn't
be
allowed
in
parking
areas
because,
for
example,
in
parking
areas
we
want
to
have
canopy
and
a
lot
of
the
the
tree
species
today
that
are
selected
are
are
species
that
are
selected
specifically,
so
they
don't
provide
canopy
to
block
signs
and
things.
So
we
made
those
adjustments.
N
Another
idea
and-
and
this
sort
of
made
me
think
of
your
earlier
conversation
about
trying
to
tighten
up
button
up
the
city's
regulations
for
what
happens
when
people
don't
comply
with
city
regulations.
We're
suggesting
that
replacement
trees
must
meet
current
standards.
For
example,
I'll
drive
many
times
to
a
a
grocery
store
and
see
dead,
trees.
There
and
I
know
they're
dead
because
they
weren't
planted
well
I.
N
Think
under
this
new
Clause,
the
new
trees
that
would
go
in
would
have
to
meet
them
in
the
right
soil
volumes
they'd
have
to
be
planted
correctly,
and
so
that
would
ensure
much
better,
healthier
trees
and
and
we
could
and
we
it
probably
makes
sense
that
with
the
the
the
Coalition
that
you've
talked
about
earlier
about,
you
guys
coming
together
to
to
think
about
how
to
tighten
up
those
regulations
of
enforcement
that
we
looped
that
into
this,
because
this
will
likely
go
to
the
city
council
sometime
in
the
fall.
N
So
why
don't
we
just
work
with
what
we
have,
rather
than
try
to
start
something
new
and
finally,
a
new
green
roof
standard.
So
I'm
going
to
talk
a
little
bit
about
that,
because
I
think
most
of
you
haven't
heard
about
this,
and
so,
let's
delve
into
that
a
little
bit.
N
So
this
is
a
an
image
of
impervious
Services
closest
to
downtown
in
Asheville
the
redder,
the
the
color
of
the
parcel,
the
more
impervious
so
clearly
in
downtown
and
on
Commercial
corridors.
We
have
a
lot
of
impervious
surface,
and
so
it
makes
sense
that
for
new
buildings
that
have
a
lot
of
surface
area,
we
we
need
to
be
thinking
about
how
to
how
to
maybe
capture
some
water.
On
those
surfaces.
N
Let's
see
here
move
forward,
there
are
different
types
of
green
roofs.
Oops
too
many
slides.
The
one
on
the
left
is
called
an
extensive
roof.
It's
it's
just
kind
of
you
know
grasses
or
sedums,
and
things
it
doesn't
require
as
much
the
one
on
the
right
is
more
of
an
intensive
most
likely.
What
we're
talking
about
is
the
extensive
type
of
a
Greenery
if
the
one
on
the
left
by
the
way
is
on
the
garage
apartments
right
behind
the
Aloft
building,
there
are
lots
of
benefits
for
green
roofs.
N
Storm
water
is
a
key
one.
This
this
image
shows
that
the
the
The
Green
Roof
helps
to
reduce
and
slow
down
the
storm
water
from
reaching
the
rivers
and
the
waterways.
To
begin
with,
a
lot
of
the
water
never
leaves
the
roof,
so
it
acts
as
a
sponge
to
retain
a
lot
of
water
that
then
evaporates
into
this
into
the
sky.
N
It
helps
to
moderate
the
water
as
it
gets
into
the
rivers
and
it
acts
as
a
filter
and-
and
there
are
plenty
of
other
benefits,
including
Financial
benefits-
the
the
greeners
help
to
extend
the
life
of
roofs
by
two
to
three
times
and
they
make
them
much
more
energy
efficient
by
keeping
them
cooler
in
the
summer
when
it's
very
hot
and
keeping
the
heat
in
when
it's
cold
in
the
winter
time.
N
So
one
concept
that
we're
working
with
is
potentially
to
require
a
a
lower
standard
in
the
CBD,
so
that
something
like
5,
000
square
foot,
roofs
would
have
to
have
to
provide
green
roofs
and
then
in
other
districts
outside
of
the
the
downtown.
It
would
be
larger
buildings
that
are
more
than
ten
thousand
square
feet.
N
We
still
have
to
sort
of
play
through
that,
but
that's
the
current
concept.
That's
that's
on
the
table.
N
The
provisions
would
be
that
the
entire
roof
must
be
covered
with
material
with
an
except
an
exception
for
HVAC,
and
things
like
this-
that's
typically
common
for
other
cities
that
have
that
a
minimum
five
inches
of
growing
media
irrigation
requiring
irrigation
so
that
plants
don't
die
if
it's
extended
period
of
of
dry
hot
time
which
we're
not
getting
this
year,
which
is
nice
and
certain
maintenance
requirements.
N
So
I
think
I
just
have
this
in
one
other
slide.
I
just
want
to
highlight
and
I
think
most
of
you
understand
this
and-
and
it
makes
sense
to
you,
but
when
we're
talking
about
adding
new
standards
and
changing
standards,
sometimes
it's
difficult
to
accept
and
I
just
want
to
highlight
that
before
here
in
Asheville
before
1987,
we
didn't
require
Landscaping
in
parking
lots,
and
you
can
still
visit
many
parking
lots
in
this
area
to
see
them.
N
Looking
like
the
image
on
the
left
and
I'm
sure,
people
complain
when,
when
parking
lot,
standards
for
trees
were
required
because
they
reduced
the
efficiency.
So-Called
efficiency
of
parking
right,
you
could
have
did
not
get
as
much
parking
spaces.
It
was
more
expensive
Etc,
but
now
it's
part
of
the
institution
Everybody
accepts
it,
and
and-
and
so
it's
it's
understood
that
it's
this
is.
N
This
is
required
and
should
be
so
I
think
potentially
this
may
be
the
case
with
green
roofs
in
time
there
aren't
that
many
cities
that
require
them,
but
we
are,
one
of
you
know
a
handful
that
are
kind
of
moving
forward
in
this
direction.
So
this
is
sort
of
a
tentative
schedule.
N
We've
been
more
or
less
working
on
this
with
a
smaller
committee
that
I've
been
working
with
for
a
couple
years
almost
now,
but
we're
thinking
that
we
have
like
another
month
or
so
over
of
of
figuring
out
some
internal
adjustments
to
make
sure
that
all
staff
is
on
board
and
then
to
begin
a
formal
public
review
in
August.
That,
then,
would
go
to
the
Planning
and
Zoning
commission
and
then
the
city
council,
sometime
in
the
fall
and
to
go
from
there.
D
Thank
you,
vanilla
for
that
update
and
Report
before
we
get
to
questions
I
just
want
or
comments.
I
just
want
to
clarify
one
thing
for
the
commission
members
Dilla
did
say
that
this
tree
planning
standard
task
force
grew
out
of
the
open
space
task
force
and
it
originally
was
designed
to
discuss
changing
tree
planting
standards
and
the
CBD
because
of
all
the
challenges
to
in
that
District
to
ensure
that
trees
were
planted
in
a
way
that
gave
them
every
chance
to
succeed
and
flourish.
D
It
only
probably
took
three
or
four
meetings
of
this
task
force
to
decide
that
what
we
are
talking
about
was
not
only
good
for
the
central
business
business
district,
but
also
for
the
whole
city
of
Asheville.
So
I
just
want
to
clarify
that
if
these
standards
treat
standards
are
approved
by
the
city
council,
who
will
apply
to
the
whole
city.
J
David
Owen
question
about
the
the
parking
lot
design
something
I've
frequently
had
brought
to
my
attention
over
the
years
is
a
question
from
the
landscapers
that
work,
for
you
know,
insert
Big
Box
store
here,
wanted
to
know
how
much
they
can
prune
the
tree.
That's
in
the
planting
bed.
That's
also
got
a
big
Lamp
Post
in
it.
J
N
Question
yes,
there
is,
we
added
a
clause
that
says
large
maturing.
Trees
must
be
at
least
20
feet
from
a
light
pole,
but
that
small
and
medium
trees
could
be
I,
think
I
think
relatively
close,
so
we
can
I.
Can
I
can
share
that
with
you
and
we
can
talk
about
it
and-
and
everybody
here
you
know
I
think
I-
think
there's
a
link
to
this
draft
code
on
the
agenda.
You
can,
you
can
read
through
and
any
comments
that
you
have
you're
welcome
to
sentence
me
gotcha.
Thank
you.
H
Jordan
yeah,
that's
a
good
point
mark
thanks
for
bringing
that
out.
My
question
was
in
relation
to
the
parking
lot
as
well.
You
know
you,
you
reduce
it
down
to
20
and
the
question
is
kind
of
two-part
one
is
where
did
that
number
come
from,
and
the
second
part
is:
does
that
apply
to
you
know
Department
of
Kmart
as
as
well
as
a
smaller
parking
lot.
H
You
know
like
the
food
co-op
because
or
are
there
certain
tiers
where
you
have
such
a
large
parking
area,
and
maybe
that
number
could
be
increased
to
30
or
even
more
like
37
percent,
you
know
it.
It's
a
I
love
the
fact
that
soil
volumes
are
being
taken
into
account.
You
know
it's.
H
N
Yeah,
well
it
was,
it
was
a
a
big
group
of
people.
Who've
been
working
on
that
the
soil
volumes.
So
how
do
we
come
to
the
20?
It
was
an
iterative
process
with
this
group
that
I
was
working
with
where
we
would
do
a
lot
of
analysis
looking
at
existing
sites
and
testing
different
percentages
and
and
to
find
out
both
what
can
work
and
and
what
doesn't
push
too
hard
against
the
existing
parking
standards.
Because
you
know
this
is
zoning
is
always
a
balancing
game.
N
It's
always
trade-offs,
that's
what
it
is.
If
you
you,
we
could,
we
could
make
it
50
landscape,
50
canopy,
but
that
means
parking
would
would
be
go
down
significantly
and
we
get
pushback
and
then
sometimes
I
push
back
breaks
breaks
the
the
task
to
to
make
these
changes
so
that
number
of
20
what
it
does
is.
It
allows
us
to
basically
keep
parking
more
more
or
less
the
same
in.
In
most
cases,
it
may
go
down
a
little
bit,
but
a
lot
of
the
parking
Islands
will
be
able
to
be
the
same.
N
They'll
just
have
fewer
trees
in
them.
So,
typically,
if
you're
in
say
a
shopping,
mall
and
you're
you're
parking,
two
cars
face
to
face
right
right
next
to
each
other.
N
At
some
point
there
will
be
a
tree
island
that
goes
the
span
of
those
two,
those
two
parking
spaces
and
each
parking
space
is
20
feet
long,
so
that
tree
bed
is
effectively
40
feet
long
by
about
the
width
of
a
parking
space
nine
feet
and
that
that
area,
when
it's
three
feet
deep,
is
enough
to
sustain,
according
to
the
industry
standards,
a
large
maturing
tree,
pretty
well
in
an
urban
environment.
N
That's
about
a
thousand
cubic
feet
so
that
20
lets
us
get
to
to
that
number
in
these
Suburban
environments
without
significantly
impacting
parking
and
I'm
willing
to
bet
that,
although
we're
being
very
consider
conservative
in
what
what
we
think
the
canopy
will
be,
you
know
if
this,
if
this
pans
out
right,
these
trees
will
be
getting
much
larger
and
providing
more
canopy
than
than
the
20
it'll,
probably
be
more
like
30
to
35
percent
of
the
parking
area.
H
There
are
Technologies
there
that
allow
you
to
have
parking
and
more
soil
space,
and
maybe
that
could
be
a
trade-off.
You
know
on
these
big
box
stores
that
are
coming
in
with,
however
many
hundreds
of
parking
spaces.
You
know
they
don't
want
to
give
up
parking
spaces,
then
they
could
pay.
You
know
somebody
to
install
you
know:
silver
cells,
for
example,
yeah.
N
But
it's
an
unrealistic
option
in
Suburban
environments,
we'll
see
that
in
downtown
for
sure
in
basically
all
downtown
projects
for
sidewalks
we'll
have
silver
cells,
because
the
property
is
expensive
enough
and
there
isn't
room
so
they
will
pull
put
silver
cells
which,
for
those
people
who
don't
know
they're,
basically
like
milk
crates
under
the
the
sidewalk
to
keep
the
sidewalk
up.
So
you
can
fill
up
feeling
those
crates
with
softer
soil,
and
that
is
always
an
option,
but
probably
not
likely
for
any.
You
know
suburban
area
shopping
area.
Why
not?
N
N
So
I
think,
with
with
the
numbers
that
we're
giving
we'll
they'll,
still
be
able
to
provide
the
parking
with
the
open
planting
beds,
although
they
may
have
to
reconfigure
their
parking,
they
may
have
to
be
more
efficient
with
their
space
and
they
have
to
make
a
little
bit
smaller
Footprints
of
their
buildings.
So
it
it
will
push
them
in
a
direction
of
more
efficiency,
but
not
being
so
hard-handed
that
we're
requiring
projects
to
drastically
increase
their
Landscaping
budgets.
But.
H
Yeah-
and
you
know
lastly,
I-
don't
think
too
much
time,
but
you
know
I
guess
in
my
mind,
I'm
thinking
mostly
for
large
corporations
that
are
moving
to
the
suburbs,
and
you
know
I
think
that
it
it
there's
something
to
be
said
for
us
as
a
city
to
be
presenting
a
hard
line
of
like
this
is
where
no
values
are,
and
this
is
how
how
much
you
need
to
pay
to
be
part
of
the
game
here
and
so,
along
with
that,
like
does
that.
N
N
Same
across
the
board,
there's
a
trigger
for
Landscaping
in
parking.
Lots
I
forget
what
the
trigger
is,
but
once
you
hit
that
threshold,
you
have
to
provide
parking
lot
landscaping,
and
so
everybody
would
provide
it.
I
would
just
you
know,
wrap
up
by
saying
that
I
believe
this
new
new
soil
volume
standard
is
going
to
be.
It
is
raising
the
bar
significantly
very,
very
few
cities.
N
Do
this:
the
ones
that
do
are
allowing
structural
soil
for
the
most
part,
which
is
not
a
good
good
option,
and
it
isn't
good
for
trees.
You
know
so
this
move.
If,
if
this
moves
forward
is
going
to
be
a
drastic
improvement
for
Asheville
and
the
the
city
of
Asheville
will
be
a
leader
in
landscaping,
standards,
okay,.
G
Yeah
I
this.
This
throws
me
back
to
a
an
issue
that
came
before
city
council.
When
I
was
there
the
I
I?
Don't
remember
the
numbers
exactly
but
I
think
the
buffer
zone
for
streams
going
into
the
French
Broad
is
like
15
feet,
and
there
was
a
proposal
to
extend
the
buffer
zone
to
30
feet
in
order
to
ameliorate
the
the
pollution
problem
from
runoff
into
the
streams
and
development
interests
pressed
hugely
on
city
council
members
and
I
could
only
get
three
votes
for
30
feet.
G
G
We
really
need
to
seriously
address
that
we're
the
the
council
members
that
voted
against
the
30-foot
I
think
it
was
30.
again.
The
number
doesn't
we're
caving
to
development
interests,
who
think
it's
better
to
develop
up
to
the
creek
instead
of
preserving
the
creek
for
development
anyway,
yeah.
N
That
no
it's
a
it's
a
huge
issue.
You
know
I'll
just
mention
I
didn't
talk
about
this
because
I
I'm
not
sure
if
it's
going
to
move
forward
with
Landscaping,
but
working
with
the
stormwater
task
force,
one
recommended
recommendation
was
to
change
the
surface
material
that
is
placed
on
asphalt.
That
is,
that
can
does.
N
That
is
a
toxin
that
pollutes
Rivers,
I,
don't
I,
remember
the
the
technical
chemical
name,
but
I
I've
been
collaborating
with
them
and
we
have
some
draft
concepts
for
an
ordinance
to
pass
to
ban
the
the
conventional
chemical.
That's
used
on
all
parking
lots
because
there
is
an
alternative
product
that
is
benign.
N
It's
just
like
anything.
You
know
you're
having
to
train
people
and
using
a
new
new
technique
and
new
new
processes,
so
that
that's
another
thing
that.
M
N
That
were
our
department
will
be
rolling
out,
whether
it's
a
part
of
landscaping
or
more
part
of
parking
standards.
I'm
not
sure,
but
there's
a
lot
that
we
can
be
doing.
I
think
the
the
soil
volumes
will
will
not
only
help
trees,
but
they
will
also
capture
storm
water
and
help
to
filter
filter
that
water,
so
just
as
as
a
green
roof
soil.
So
there's
a
lot
lot.
We
can
be
doing
thanks.
Cecil.
D
E
So
I
went
line
by
line
from
old
to
new
and
we've
got
a
task
force
going.
So
what
we're
going
to
do
is
get
together
and
send
you
questions,
but
I've
got
a
couple
questions
on
7-Eleven
3,
the
current
DJ.
We
left
out
additional
Landscaping
required
when
the
development
exceeds
the
maximum
parking
standards.
So
now
when
a
development
comes
in
and
they
want
to
exceed
their
maximum
parking
standards,
they're
required
to
add
more
trees
in
your
new
version
of
it.
This
is
left
out.
E
So
I've
got
some
questions,
and
that
may
be
the
case,
and
it
may
not
be
the
case,
but
I
could
not
find
that
language
in
the
new
one.
Also
you've
got
because
I'm
bringing
up
vua
because
we're
talking
about
parking
lot
on
your
vehicle
use
areas
that
are
elevated
at
least
three
feet
from
the
edge
of
the
pavement
or
separated
a
berm.
That
is
at
least
three
feet.
High,
shall
not
be
required
to
comply
with
the
street
buffer
requirement
and.
E
And
left
out
additional
what
I'm,
using
my
shopping
center,
that
I
manage
as
an
example,
I've
got
a
three
foot
berm
on
South
Tunnel
Road
I
also
had
no
room
for
Street
trees,
so
I've
got
over
I
think
that
berm
there
is
probably
about
five
feet,
if
not
more
so.
Therefore,
that
would
exclude
it
from
having
to
do
any
of
the
street
buffering.
But
what
happened
is
when
they
did
do
that
project.
E
They
took
the
street
trees
and
they
ran
them
along
the
berm,
and
so
they
didn't
exempt
the
street
trees
and
they
could
have
also
with
the
building
impact,
trees
and
I'll
discuss
my
concerns
with
building
my
our
building
impact
reduction.
Is
that
I've
got
12
Pin
Oaks
on
the
sidewalk
that
run
from
Whole
Foods
all
the
way
down
to
fifth
Seasons.
Those
are
all
building
impact
trees.
So
that
means
that
those
would
not
be
required
if
we
had
that
new
development
come
in.
N
Michael,
that's
not
true!
No,
that's
not
true,
because
you
would
get
tree
canopy
preservation,
which
you
didn't.
E
E
Place
but
that's
not
necessarily
the
case,
because
I
have
not
been
able
to
find
the
increase
that
you're
allowing
us
with
719
with
the
reduction.
So
I'd
like
to
finish
my
thought
here.
If
I
could
3
000
square
feet
of
a
building,
ours
was
a
retrofit
building.
It
was
one
of
those
Kmarts
that
was
converted
into
what
it
is
now,
so
it's
pretty
much
a
retrofit
from
1950
and
because
it
was
was
greater
than
three
thousand
square
feet.
It
had
a
lot
more
planting
that
had
to
go
into
it.
E
I'm
sitting
on
TRC
I
sit
through
a
lot
of
and
review
a
lot
of
commercial
and
mixed
use
that
a
required
building
impact
that
if
they
didn't
have
it,
it
would
greatly
reduce
the
amount
of
canopy
that
we'd
have
on
a
development.
Now
I'm
not
saying
that's
the
case
with
all
of
them,
because
it's
not
the
case
with
all
of
them,
so
I'm
thinking
that
there
can
be
a
a
compromise
with
where
billing
impact
can
be
utilized.
E
So
if
someone
comes
in
and
I've
seen
them
do
it
on
on
especially
south
of
Asheville,
where
they're
feeling
most
everything
out,
so
they
can
fit
everything
in
there,
and
so
that
means
that
they're
removing
most
of
the.
If
it's
got
70
percent
coverage
and
they're
only
required
15,
let's
say
and
they're
feeling
all
of
it
and
they're
not
required
to
do
any
billing
impact
and
they're
only
required
to
do
the
minimum
amount
of
parking
lot
trees
and
Street
trees.
E
It's
greatly
reducing
our
canopy
and
these
larger
developments
that
are
going
on
so
I'm
thinking
that
there's
room
for
compromises
that
they'd,
see
and
Lou
under
or
over
a
certain
amount
than
billing
impact
should
kick
in
and
and
I
think
that
there's
room
for
this
because
I'm
I
can
use
and
have
in
my
folder
here
lots
of
developments
that
the
only
impact
has
made
a
big
difference
in
the
canopy
in
there
and
also
I've
got
questions
on
Street
buffer.
E
We've
got
Street
buffer
Landscaping
along
the
street
rights
of
way
an
example.
What
constitutes
Street
buffer
as
far
as
plant
count
in
the
new
one
that
you've
done.
We
don't
have
a
count
of
what
the
street
buffer
count
is.
Actually
so
I've
gone
through.
E
This
I've
got
Bunches
of
weird
long
notes
and
when
I
sit
down
with
the
group,
I
want
to
have
everybody
concur
with
me
or
not
concur
with
me
and
send
you
the
notes
that
I
do
have,
but
I've
got
several
concerns
on
what
we're
leaving
out
that
I
see
is
going
to
impact
our
overall
tree
canopy
with
development
thanks.
N
For
that
well,
I
would
suggest
you
know
all
the
details,
so
we
don't
admired
in
too
much
information
feel
free
to
send
me
them
and
we'll
we'll
talk
about
them
and
work
them
out
yeah,
where
you'll
at
least
hear
our
position.
I
just
want
to
be
clear
that
that
the
the
building
impact
trees
can
be
shrubs.
In
many
cases
they
are
nothing
more
than
Arborvitae.
So
the
the
just.
Let
me
finish
this
thought
Sharon
an
architect.
E
It
depends
on
your
terminology.
Canopy
green
for
me
is
green
I
agree.
I
have
seen
nothing
but
Rosa
Barbara
buy
to
go
in
because
they
have
to
do
a
buffer,
because
they're
training,
zoning
options-
and
that
is
their
best
choice
of
offer
and
I-
will
make
a
note
saying:
that's
not
necessarily
a
good
percentage
of
tree,
because
we
state
in
7-Eleven
3
that
it's
got
to
be
a
good
mix
of
and
I
get
it.
But
we
have
a
an
actual
specific
count
of
trees
per
shrubs
for.
N
N
D
D
Okay,
if
not
thank
you
verdeola
for
that
presentation
and
the
Landscaping
standard
working
group
will
get.
D
And
submit
a
list
of
questions
and
concerns
for
you
to
respond,
and
then
they
can
go
from
there.
D
Okay,
now
we
go
on
to
the
tree:
canopy
preservation,
ordinance
update.
Does
anybody
have
any
questions
on
what's
in
the
chart,
Sharon.
E
I
would
like
to
make
a
motion
if
I
can,
which
brings
up
to
the
changes
of
seven
eleven
three
I
I've
mentioned
this
I.
Think
every
meeting
for
the
last
year,
I
will
look
and
see
a
whole
project
and
the
whole
project
will
tell
us
what
the
percentage
of
canopy
is
now
granted
in
the
middle
of
that
whole
percentage
of
canopy
there's
a
development
going
in
which
is
x
amount
of
square
feet.
But
what
we
don't
know
and
we'd
say
that
we've
got
canopy
planted
and
can
it
be
preserved.
E
We
do
not
have
canopy
lost,
so
we
have
got
a
percentage
and
it'll
come
in
anywhere
from
90
percent
canopied
to
12
canopy,
depending
on
where
it's
located.
But
all
we
have,
then,
is
that
then,
through
there,
through
719,
they
can
put
in
let's
say
10,
depending
on
their
their
I.
E
Forget
the
overlay
that
they're
applied
into,
and
so
that
means
that
they're
planting,
10
percent,
great
fabulous
10
is
what
they're
planting,
but
it
doesn't
make
up
for
what
we're
losing
and
I
think
that,
if
we're
going
to
talk
about
losing
building
impact
trees,
if
that's,
where
it's
going
reducing
vehicle
use,
reducing
Street
buffer
trees
that,
if
we're
going
to
keep
reducing
down
our
canopy,
then
we've
got
to
know
what
it
is:
we're
losing
in
the
first
place.
E
With
these
developments
now,
how
that
equates
in
a
percentage
90
canopied
50
is
going
in
is
the
actual
development
and
so
I,
don't
know
how
the
count
would
be.
My
my
math
brain
won't
work
that
out,
but
what
my
bath
brain
does
work
out,
that
I
look
at
TRC.
E
All
the
time
is
how
much
we
are
losing
that
I
know
and
I
know
what
we're
putting
in
is
better
than
what
we
had
before
granted
I'm,
not
saying
that,
but
we
are
losing
a
whole
load
and
if
we
just
talk
about
reducing
and
7
11
3
everything
to
make
everything
compatible,
so
people
can
build
here.
Well,
what
are
we
listening
for
our
overall
canopy.
D
Okay,
Nancy.
C
As
part
of
the
Article
19
of
dates
we
have
and
as
we
asked
last
year
as
part
of
those
updates
we
have
in
as
part
of
bringing
Keith
on
board,
we've
asked
for
these
additional
metrics
that
we're
going
to
start
tracking.
We
have
to
do
that
in
a
systematic
way.
Otherwise,
there's
no
way
for
us
to
do
that.
C
C
When
Article
19
gets
updated
and
that
information
gets
then
asked
for
and
we
update
our
system
so
that
staff
then
puts
in
that
information,
we
will
start
gaining
that
information
since
you'll
have
been
asking
for
it.
But
we've
got
to
get
to
that
point,
our
starting
point
to
start
doing
that.
Okay,
it's
in
that
to
do
that.
Okay,.
E
And
then
I'll
quit
asking
for
it
somehow
I
haven't
heard
you,
but
I
heard
you
this
time,
which
brings
me
to
I,
asked
about
vidella
that
we
are
going
to
increase
his
719
update
but
I'm
not
seeing
anything.
That
equates
an
increase
in
what
that
looks
like
and
how
that's
going
to
go
about
to
make
up,
for.
If
we
don't
do
billing
impact,
then
we're
going
to
be
able
to
increase
the
amount
to
719,
so
I
have
no
way
or
we
don't
have
any
way
to
to
figure
out.
E
N
Yes,
we've
been
working
in
tandem
with
the
tree,
canopy,
preservation,
ordinance
and
the
landscape
changes,
and
it
looks
like
we
will
be
able
to
increase
the
percentage
of
tree
canopy
preservation
requirements
for
the
trees
projects
within
the
sea
area,
not
certainly
not
downtown
and
not
in
B,
because
that's
where
we
get
a
lot
of
fee
and
Lou
requests,
because
projects
aren't
able
to
provide
all
the
trees
because
there's
a
lot
of
development
needs.
So
it
would
be.
N
It
wouldn't
be
prudent
to
increase
a
requirement
in
an
area
of
the
city
where
they're
not
even
able
to
meet
all
the
the
tree
needs,
but
we
can
do
that
in
C,
so
I
think
I
was
trying
to
trying
to
get
some
of
this
data
to
show
you
I
wasn't
able
to
do
that
today,
but
I
think
it's
going
to
be
by
five
percent
in
projects
within
the
the
more
the
suburban
area.
E
D
Any
other
questions
or
comments
regarding
the
tree,
canopy
preservation,
ordinance
report.
D
Okay,
if
not
we'll
move
on
to
Old
business
working
group
updates,
the
budget
request
working
group.
D
Okay,
well
we'll
move
on
the
policy
working
group
update.
D
We
did
have
some
questions
and
we
as
soon
as
Chris
Collins,
gets
back
into
town
and
gets
caught
up
on
the
work
he's
missed
since
he's
been
on
vacation
will
schedule
a
meeting
with
him
and
his
staff
to
go
over
the
recommended
amendments,
ask
the
questions
and
then
hopefully,
to
get
an
agreement
on
these
amendments
so
that
they
can
move
forward
to
the
city
council.
Do
you
want
to
have
any
questions.
D
Okay,
chapter
20:
we
looked
at
that
again
as
well
and
I'm,
going
to
put
the
side
by
side
comparison,
which
is
a
three
column
document.
One
column
is
what
the
city
staff
is
proposing
for
changes
in
chapter
20..
D
The
second
column
is
what
the
the
policy
working
group
is
recommending
and
then
the
third
column
will
be
the
differences
between
the
two
and
I'll
be
reaching
out
to
Mark
Foster
and
staff
at
Public
Works,
who
also
give
them
the
link
to
that
document,
so
they
can
review
it
and
that
we
can
then
schedule
a
meeting
to
go
through
that
and
again,
hopefully
reach
some
kind
of
agreement
on
the
amendments
to
chapter
20..
D
D
Okay,
so
I
think
we've
covered
the
Landscaping
standards
on
in
the
Dallas
presentation
missing
middle
housing.
D
Several
weeks
ago,
I
I
got
a
report
from
an
update
report
from
the
consultant
opticos
and
their
personal
on
the
ground
for
missing
middle
housing.
Jennifer
settle
and
part
of
that
update
said
that
they
had
concluded
their
stakeholder
meetings
in
preparation
for
putting
together
an
analysis
and
barriers
memo
that
will
be
submitted
to
the
missing
middle
housing
advisory
committee,
probably
sometime
around
July
20th
for
the
advisory
committees,
consumption
and
then
the
advisory
committee
will
have
its
second
meeting
sometime
the
end
of
July.
D
We
haven't
settled
on
up
on
a
date,
yet
so
I
realized
in
her
update
that
urban
forestry
commission
was
not
one
of
those
stakeholders
that
was
involved
in
this
part
of
the
process
of
the
missing
middle
Housing,
Initiative,
so
I
reached
out
to
Jennifer
and
to
vadilla
about
that.
D
The
response
that
I
received
was
that
the
missing
that
the
consultant
had
identified
certain
stakeholders
that
they
felt
they
needed
to
sit
down
and
meet
with
because
of
their
specific
areas
of
Interest.
D
It
are
unique
to
the
city
of
Asheville,
whether
it's
building
costs
or
or
whatever
that
Builders
and
developers
will
ensue
here.
That
might
be
different
in
other
cities
because
of
the
Topography
of
the
of
the
city
of
Asheville
or
whatever
the
case
may
be,
and
so
my
response
to
that
was
I
understand
the
fact
that
each
city
is
unique
in
terms
of
its
challenges,
its
barriers
and
its
opportunities.
D
But
I
said
in
terms
of
the
urban
forestry
commission.
There
is
equal
uniqueness
that
within
this
city
of
Asheville,
because
not
every
city
that
opticos
has
worked
in,
has
a
tree
canopy
preservation
ordinance.
They
may
not
have
as
a
restrictive
Landscaping
ordinance
as
we
do,
and
we
know
from
the
discussions
on
the
open
space
task
force
that
a
lot
of
cities
around
the
country,
including
North
Carolina,
have
done
away
with
their
open
space
requirements
all
together.
D
D
D
D
But
the
City
staff
has
agreed
that
the
urban
forestry
commission
policy
working
group
can
meet
and
discuss
these
issues
with
the
understanding
that
we
don't
know.
Yet
whether
the
tree
cannot
be
preservation,
ordinance,
the
Landscaping
ordinances
or
the
open
space
ordinance
will
be
identified
as
barriers
and
therefore
issues
in
building
missing
middle
housing.
D
Although
the
likelihood
is
that
they
will
be-
and
we
don't
know
what
the
other
stakeholders
have
told
the
city
in
terms
of
those
specific
ordinances,
so
I
have
asked
Zoe
Hoyle,
who
is
the
urban
forestry
commission
representative
on
the
missing
middle
housing
advisory
committee,
to
chair
the
policy
working
group
for
the
purposes
of
discussing
these
ordinances,
expressing
our
concerns
and
perhaps
making
recommendations
in
writing
that
will
be
included
in
the
analysis
and
barriers
memo
that
would
be
submitted
to
the
missing
middle
housing
advisory
committee.
D
Because
I
am
the
representative
of
the
Coalition
of
Asheville
neighborhoods
on
the
advisory
committee.
I
wanted
to
avoid
any
conflicts
that
I
might
have
with
that
role
and
responsibility
to
whatever
the
urban
forestry
commission
decides.
It
wants
to
input
into
this
analysis,
so
that
is
why
Zoe
is
going
to
chair
this
special
policy
working
group,
meaning
on
missing
middle
housing.
D
It
brings
us
to
somewhat
of
a
dilemma,
because
adding
Zoe
to
this
would
then
make
five
members,
so
we
have
a
choice
of
one
of
the
policy
working
group
members.
Stepping
off
for
the
purposes
of
this
discussion
or
I
would
have
to
ask
the
staff
whether
we
could
for
this
specific
purpose.
The
policy
working
group
could
continue
with
five
members,
which
means
that
we
would
have
to
publicly
advertise
those
meetings
and
open
it
up
to
the
public.
D
So,
with
that
in
mind,
I'll
ask
the
commission
members
if
they
would
like
to
weigh
in
on
this
Aaron.
C
E
For
all
of
you,
Karen,
M
and
Chardon,
that
are
on
that,
keep
that
in
mind
that
when
we
go
way
through
this
ordinance,
it's
it's
it's
waiting
through
an
ordinance
so.
D
Okay,
then,
that
would
leave
soil
so.
E
D
L
So
for
the
purpose
of
developing
this,
memo
am
I.
Actually
a
member
of
the
group
or
am
I,
not
just
a
facilitator
for
this,
for
coming
up
with
a
memo.
E
L
Well,
we'll
come
up
with
something
I,
don't
think
I,
don't
think
it
has
to
be
real
specific
to
start
out
with
until
we
know
what
their.
What
comes
out
of
the
task
forces
right.
D
So
August
4th
there
is
a
city-wide
Workshop
public,
Workshop
and
we'll
know
a
lot
more
about
what's
in
the
analysis
and
barriers
memo
and
more
about
what
the
advisory
committee
is
going
to
do
with
that.
So
that
would
be
another
opportunity
for
members
of
the
urban
forestry
commission
to
attend
and
give
more
specific
comment
and
input
to
that
process.
D
Thank
you
all
so,
moving
on
just
a
quick
update.
Last
time,
I
mentioned
that
I
was
going
to
give
of
the
of
report
to
the
environment.
The
city
council,
environmental
and
safety
committee
in
July
I
have
a
a
surgery
scheduled
for
that
day.
So
I
asked
to
move
it
to
the
August
meeting.
Their
agenda
for
the
August
meeting
is
jam-packed,
so
they've
moved
the
urban
forestry
commission
update
to
its
September
meeting
I
just
wanted
to.
Let
you
all
know
that.
D
So
that
concludes
old
business.
Yes,
Zoe.
L
Just
want
a
quick
update
to
the
urban
Forest
master
plan
working
group
we
met
yesterday
and
we
actually
looked
at
the
Knoxville.
Tennessee
is
doing
their
Urban
Forest
master
plan
right
now
and
the
process.
If
you
you,
can
just
look
up
Knoxville
Urban
Forest
master
plan.
If
you
want
to
see
what
they're
doing
it's
very
exciting,
especially
the
community
involvement
piece,
and
so
we
are
actually
thinking
of
contacting
them
and
going
over
and
and
talking
to
them
about
their
process
and
in
our
next
meeting,
which
I
hope
we'll
have
in
a
couple
of
weeks.
L
We
will
talk
about.
Since
now
we
have
the
budget
for
the
plan,
we'll
talk
about
looking
at
our
present
scope
of
work
that
we
have
we'll
talk
about
our
next
steps
in
terms
of
forming
our
advisory
groups,
we'll
talk
about
maybe
going
over
to
Knoxville
to
look
at
that
to
talk
to
them.
I'm
going
to
automatically
include
Keith
in
our
meetings
and
I
wanted
to
ask
if
anybody
else
was
interested
in
attending
in
working
on
that
group.
Although,
okay,
we
have
three
people
right
now
and
Keith.
D
L
L
So,
if
anybody's
interested
in
will
also
be
start,
looking
at
vendors
and
developing
lists
of
vendors
pretty
soon
so
if
anybody
else
is
interested
in
getting
on
there,
just
let
me
know
or
email
me
sometime,
I
think
it's
it's
one
of
the
things
I
like
about
it.
L
Is
it's
such
a
great
opportunity
to
educate
the
community
about
what
we
do
about
the
ordinances
about
trees
in
Asheville,
I
mean
that's
what
the
Knoxville
process
is
really
focusing
on
is
they
have
like
almost
200
Advisory
Group
members
and
those
people
take
take
information
out
to
all
of
their
groups,
so
I
think
it's
very.
It
can
be
very
exciting.
D
Thank
you
very
much
Zoe.
This
is
going
to
be
very
important
work
because
it's
the
sort
of
the
next
major
step
in
our
comprehensive
urban
forestry
program.
So
thank
you
very
much.
So
we
don't
have
any
new
business
on
the
agenda
for
this
meeting.
D
D
I
think
I
think
even
though
they're
long
I
think
the
discussion
and
the
discourse
and
back
and
forth
is
very
healthy
and
informational
and
educational
and
so
I.
Thank
you
for
all
that
and
for
staff
for
accommodating
all
of
our
requests.
D
So
with
that
in
mind,
if
there
are
no
objections,
then
I
will
declare
this
meeting
adjourned.