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A
Good
afternoon
I'm
chair,
bobbitt
mays,
and
I
would
like
to
welcome
you
to
the
january
24
2022
neighborhood
advisory
committee
virtual
meeting.
We
will
now
call
our
meeting
to
order.
The
committee
consists
of
nine
members
all
appointed
by
the
city
council,
with
representation
from
specific
community
sectors.
A
Members
shall
be
residents
of
the
city
or
cities
extra
territorial
zoning
jurisdiction
and
shall
reflect
the
socio-economic
diversity
of
asheville.
The
term
of
office
is
three
years.
The
committee
was
established
to
advise
the
city
council
on
neighborhoods
within
the
city
of
asheville
zoning
and
planning
during
jurisdiction.
A
The
committee
should
have
the
following
powers
and
duties:
develop,
rules
and
bylaws
for
the
conduct
of
its
business,
including,
but
not
limited,
to
meeting
schedules.
Officers
voting
subcommittees
number
two
develop
a
plan
to
strengthen
neighborhood
identity
and
resilience
and
to
facilitate
communication
and
cooperation
between
asheville,
neighborhoods
and
city
offices.
A
Number
three
develop
benchmarks
and
standards
by
which
progress
towards
implementing
the
plan
can
be
measured
and
number
four
work
on
specific
projects
that
are
consistent
with
the
goals
of
the
committee
as
assigned
or
directed
by
the
city
council.
All
committee
members
and
staff
are
participating
virtually.
We
appreciate
your
patience
as
we
work
through
committee
meetings.
A
bit
differently.
A
A
I
will
go
through
and
introduce
all
the
committee
members
and
staff
who
are
participating
virtually
for
our
committee
members.
Please
make
sure
to
mute.
Your
microphones,
if
you
are
not
speaking
when
you
have
a
question,
would
like
to
speak,
click
raise
hand
and
when
recognized
by
the
chair,
unmute
your
microphone.
A
B
D
E
A
Next
city
council
liaison
is
kim
rohney,
who
will
not
be
able
to
attend
tonight,
but
has
confirmed
she
will
review
the
stream
of
tonight's
meeting.
Also
in
attendance
are
our
city
and
buncombe
county
staff
members,
darwin
hitch,
communication
and
public
engagement
department.
Director
dawa
is
filling
in
for
the
vacant
position
of
neighborhood
and
community
engaged
engagement,
manager,
vidalia
cedveka
city
of
asheville
planner
in
the
planning
and
urban
design
department
to
help
our
audience
follow
along
I'll
state
each
section
of
the
agenda
aloud
again.
A
A
F
I
I
have
a
comment
on
that
with
the
revisions
I
said
sent
through
on
open
space
and
on
the
minutes.
It
has
action
comments
that
I
resent
through
that
I
didn't
believe
were
correct.
Is
that
addressed
in
this
the
minutes
they
need
amending.
A
So
I
would
say
that
we
would
have
a
motion
on
the
floor
and
we
would
need
a
second
and
then
your
question
would
be:
let's
do
it.
That
way.
Can
I
get
a
second
on
the
motion
to
accept
the
the
minutes,
as
you
have
already
reviewed
and
then
we'll
go
from
there?
Can
I
get
a
second.
A
F
A
question
yes,
I
do.
Thank
you.
The
action
item
wasn't
exactly,
as
stated
in
my
emails
that
I
send
individually
to
everyone
and
I'm
not
sure
whether
that
needs
to
be
addressed
to
the
correct
motion
in
the
minutes
or
whether
that's
added
on.
I
don't
know
the
procedure
on
this
bobbitt
so
but
I'm
not
sure
if
we
approve
the
minutes,
if
we're
proving
this
motion
action.
That
was
from
the
previous
minutes.
F
Think
yeah
so
in
the
action
statement
except
the
following
act:
position
on
open
space,
ordinance
amendment
and
we
have
not
come
to
an
agreement,
therefore
knack
rejects,
and
then
there
is
a
statement
behind
that
on.
Why
printed
it
on
page
two
that
and
when
I
sent
my
email.
This
is
not
what
was
stated
in
the
minutes,
and
this
is
not
what
we
approved
so
with
your
okay.
H
So
one
thing
we
could
postpone
the
adoption
of
the
minutes.
That's
one
action
that
the
committee
could
take
and
I
can
share
with
you
the
transcripts
from
that
meeting
that
I
took
to
put
in
the
motion.
So
I
went
back
and
listened
to
the
meeting
and
look
at
the
transcripts
from
the
meeting
to
try
to
capture
the
exact
language
straight
from
the
video.
H
A
So
we
would
need
a
motion
to
how
would
I
say
that
we
would
not
approve
the
minutes
at
this
time
and
until
we
can
review-
and
we
will
it'll
be
a
continuous
on
the
next
meeting.
Would
that
be
what
we
would
say?
A
Yeah,
because
it's
not
we've
not
voted
on
it,
so
yeah
we
could
just
we'll
just
withdraw
that,
but
we
need
another
motion
downward
that
we
would
not.
A
H
All
right,
so
I
will
jump
right
in
these
will
be
brief,
but
did
want
to
give
everybody,
so
I
I
am
filling
in
tonight
for
our
vacant
position
and
that
being
the
neighborhood
and
community
engagement
manager.
H
I
think
everybody
knows
that
jeremy
lett,
who
was
filling
in
an
interim
basis,
took
a
job
with
another
organization
and
we
are
in
the
process
of
filling
that
position,
so
it
was
posted
at
the
end
of
december
and
we
had
we
had
a
number
of
applications
come
in
and
I
just
got
those
last
week
and
and
reviewing
those
and
we'll
be
sending
interviews
with
the
candidates
here
shortly.
So
just
wanted
to.
H
Let
you
all
know
that
we
are
moving
forward
with
filling
that
position,
and
once
we
get
that
position
filled,
that
position
will
hire
the
neighborhood
specialist
so
we're
working
to
get
back
up
to
speed
with
the
full
staff,
and
I
really
just
appreciate
everybody's
patience
with
us,
and
I
want
you
all
to
know
that
we
are
working
hard
to
keep
everything
going,
including
our
neighborhood
grants
program
before
I
launch
into
that.
Just
want
to
give
a
second.
If
anybody
has
any
questions
about
filling
that
position.
H
That's
seeing
nine,
I
will
move
on
to
our
update
about
our
neighborhood
grants
process.
So
that
was
another
key
project
we
wanted
to
make
sure
we
kept
going
and
I'm
pleased
to
say
that
we
have
had
some
support
from
the
finance
department
through
the
person
in
that
department
that
manages
partnership
agreements.
H
If
that's
the
plan
that
the
neighborhood
is
going
to
follow,
so
we've
reached
back
out
to
everybody,
let
them
know
that's
our
transition
plan
and
just
wanted
to
keep
you
all
updated,
and
I'm
hopeful
by
the
end
of
the
week
that
we'll
be
sharing
all
of
the
neighborhoods
who
receive
the
grant
and
then
publishing
that
out
for
our
whole
community.
But
certainly
you
all
will
receive
an
update
on
on
just
who
those
neighborhoods
were
first.
A
D
I'm
going
to
share
my
screen
and
I
just
wanted
to
talk
through
a
few
well,
I
have
eight
slides
here,
I
believe,
to
follow
up
on
our
conversation
with
open
space.
I
don't
know
if
you
have
had
a
chance
members
of
knack
to
see
on
our
website.
We've
included
a
video
that
allows
you
to
see
we,
I
sort
of
talk
through
a
longer
presentation,
to
try
to
simplify
what
this
proposed
zoning
amendment
really
is.
D
So
I'm
not
sure
if
you've
seen
that,
but
I'm
showing
you
the
link
here,
it's
ashevillenc.gov
open
space,
you
or
others
who
might
be
interested
can
go
to
that
website.
To
take
a
look,
I'm
not
proposing
to
go
through
that
that
information
in
detail,
because
I
think
you
all
know
to
some
extent
what
this
is
about
I'll,
just
kind
of
pull
out
a
couple
of
highlights
that
one
we're
talking
about
open
spaces
on
private
property.
Primarily
these
are
not
we're
not
talking
about
regulations
for
park,
spaces
or
greenway
spaces.
D
Well,
they
could
be
greenways
if
they're
on
or
a
proposed
greenway
going
through
a
piece
of
private
property.
But
this
isn't
about
how
to
how
the
code
should
improve
public
open
spaces.
Many
of
these
spaces
are
private
by
nation.
By
nature.
They
are,
you
know,
an
apartment
complex
that
has
open
space
for
their
residents.
D
It
may
be
a
business
that
has
open
space
for
their
customers.
It
may
be
a
subdivision
of
homes
that
has
open
space
for
the
residents
of
that
subdivision.
D
I
just
want
to
clarify
that
because
it
seems
like
sometimes
that
can
be
muddied
and
not
quite
clear
for
those
who
are
new
to
this.
F
D
Slide
just
calls
out
some
of
the
proposed
outcomes
that
the
ordinance
is
aiming
for.
One
is
to
implement
our
comprehensive
plan,
the
strategies
that
are
looking
at
the
need
for
more
housing
in
asheville,
primarily
by
reducing
barriers
to
infill
development.
D
Another
is
improving
the
quality
and
accessibility
of
open
spaces.
Today,
the
way
our
code
is
written
that
we're
getting
open
spaces
that
that
aren't
great
for
the
users
of
those
open
spaces.
They
may
be
on
a
sloping
train
that
isn't
quite
great
for
walking
another
is
to
clarify
and
simplify
development
regulations
so
that
they're
easier
to
understand
for
both
development
and
the
public
and
those
in
those
who
are
tasked
with
managing
so
our
our
planner
years,
we're
also
proposing
to
incentivize
better
stormwater
management.
D
That's
a
key
part
of
this,
especially
for
larger
projects
to
strengthen
the
open
space
protections
in
the
river
arts
district
and
an
exciting
result
of
this.
This
effort
has
been
separate
standards
that
we're
updating,
but,
but
but
updates
that
came
from
this
open
space
task
force
to
improve
tree
planting
edition
city-wide.
D
D
So
I
wanted
to
focus
on
these
these
three
three
statements
that
were
in
the
notes-
and
I
I
see
that
sharon
suggested
that
maybe
those
need
to
be
corrected.
That's
what
I
had
to
work
on
this
is
this
is
this
is
the
letter
that
we
received
as
staff
to
the
city
for
the
concerns
that
knack
has,
and
I
want
to
read
those
and
then
I
have
a
few
slides
to
talk
through
them,
and
this
is
a
discussion.
So
you
know
your
ideas
are
welcome.
D
D
Number
two
knack
wants
to
see
asheville
as
a
leader
in
open
space
and
is
disheartened
to
see
the
proposal
to
lower
minimums
to
the
state's
status
quo,
while
lowering
requirements
from
50
percent
may
be
seen
as
necessary.
We
recommend
not
going
as
low
as
5
to
15
and
then
the
third
point,
which
is
actually
a
multi-point
statement.
D
The
knack
is
concerned
about
how
the
proposed
amendments
may
impact
affordable
housing,
storm
water
management,
tree
canopy
loss
and
associated
negative
externalities,
such
as
wildlife,
habitat
impacts,
heat
island
impacts
and
noise
impacts,
and
buffers
and
buffers
have
to
do
with.
This
is
property
line
buffers.
We
have
some
standards
for
those
who
aren't
really
knowledgeable
about
our
development
standards.
Certain
projects
have
to
create
a
planted
landscape
buffer
between
their
property
and
the
neighboring
residential
property
that
may
be
affected.
D
So
I'm
just
going
to
have
a
few
slides
here
to
talk
through
these
points
to
guide
our
discussion,
so
the
first
one
is
the
request
that
the
city
should
solicit
public
input
and-
and
I
I
just
wanted
to
highlight
that
that
we
may
and
we
can
solicit
additional
input
through,
like
a
public
survey,
for
example.
I
just
wanted
to
highlight
that
today
and
and
this
this
work
that
we're
doing
is
has
been
kind
of
moving
all
along
for
about
three
years
now.
D
We've
got
our
input,
one
from
the
guidance
of
the
comprehensive
plan
and
the
robust
public
input
that
occurred
as
part
of
that
two-year
effort,
and
the
second
that
we
created
this
open
space
task
force
that
included
representatives
from
eight
different
voluntary
boards
and
commissions,
who
took
part
in
nine
months
of
working
back
and
forth
through
a
consensus-based
decision-making
process.
D
The
second
point
that
that
knack
states
that
you
want
to
see
asheville
as
a
leader
in
open
space-
and
we
agree
with
you-
we
believe
that
regulations
for
these
private,
open
spaces
need
to
be
improved
and
that
asheville
should
be
a
leader.
And
so
I
want
to
clarify
how
we
are
proposing
to
lead.
First.
Is
that
the
private
open
spaces,
as
required
by
the
udo
they?
D
The
second
point
that
private
open
spaces
should
be
provided
for
commercial
projects
in
asheville,
even
though
most
cities
in
north
carolina
do
not
require
open
space
for
projects
and
for
commercial
properties.
We
think
it
makes
sense,
because
in
commercial
areas
you
have,
even
if
it's
not
open
to
the
public,
you
may
have
places
that
have
lots
of
workers
that
that
may
benefit
from
having
a
place
to
go
outside
to
enjoy
their
lunch
for
their
lunch
break.
So
we
are
setting
that
standard
and
being
a
leader
in
that
regard,
and.
D
The
current
minimum
open
space
under
our
current
regulations
allows
residential
and
commercial
projects
to
go
down
to
five
percent
open
space.
This
is
again
for
private
private
properties
and
we're
not
proposing
to
go
below
that,
because
we
think
that
that
that's
a
a
fairly
accepted
standard
that
we
see
in
other
cities
throughout
the
state.
So
we
are
not
proposing
to
cut
below
those
standards.
D
And
then
the
third
point,
and
again
this
is
a
four-part
statement
from
knack
about
first
affordable
housing,
that
our
proposal
will
certainly
help
to
allow
for
more
info
development
to
occur
because
currently
open
space.
The
way
it's
written
is
an
incredible
hamstringing
it
it.
It
makes
it
impossible
to
really
do
infill
development
on
small
projects.
D
One
point
I
want
to
highlight
is
that
there
is
some
empirical
evidence
showing
that
new
housing
frees
up
more
affordable
housing
through,
what's
called
moving
chains
where
people
from
one
type
of
housing
move
to
new.
E
D
And
it
frees
up
more
affordable
housing,
we're
actually
looking
to
get
some
research
students
to
try
to
conduct
this
research
here
in
asheville
and
that's
pending
and
hopefully
something
we
can
share
if
this
moves
forward
in
a
year
or
so,
but
definitely
housing
is
important
and
a
key
element
in
this
proposal.
D
D
So
it's
a
it's
a
very
creative
approach
that
we're
taking.
What
we're
saying
is
that
certain
large
projects
they
have
this
incentive
that
they
have
to
provide
a
lot
more
open
space,
but
they
they
don't
have
to
provide
that
open
space
if
they
provide
stormwater.
D
The
question
about
trees
is
important,
and
I
want
to
clarify
to
to
all
of
you
that
the
trees
that
are
required
as
part
of
the
tree
canopy
preservation
ordinance
do
not
conflict
with
the
open
space
standards.
You
can
have
those
trees
within
open
space,
but
you
don't
have
to
have
them.
We're
just
saying
that
open
spaces
aren't
required
to
have
trees.
Some
people
in
their
designs
of
spaces
want
to
create
an
open,
grassy
area
for
for
people
to
hang
out
others,
don't
others
want
to
include
trees.
D
So
it's
an
option
and
the
question
about
buffers.
I
just
want
to
highlight
that
the
open
space
task
force
agreed
that
buffers
should
be
allowed
to
be
counted
as
open
space
as
long
as
they're
not
too
hilly
and
that
they
provide
pedestrian
access.
D
So
again,
the
task
force
believed
that
was
the
best
decision,
and
that's
that's
why
that
decision
moved
forward
a
couple
other
slides
that
I'm
done,
and
then
we
can
open
up
for
discussion
an
important
point
about
housing
that
I
want
to
call
out
here.
I
think
this
is
really
important
to
to
understand
is
that
the
current
regulations
do
not
necessarily
create
more
open
space
and
they
actually
tend
to
have
fewer
more
expensive
units.
D
What
what
you
see
on
the
left
is
a
recent
proposal
for
in
the
montford
area.
That's
that
a
developer
wanted
to
build
two
buildings,
each
one
with
11
units
in
them,
and
to
do
that
they
would
have
to
provide
that
orange
area
equivalent
in
open
space.
43
of
this
parcel
would
have
to
be
made
open
space,
which
is
very
prohibitive.
They
basically
wouldn't
have
been
able
to
do
a
parking
lot
parking
area
for
these
units.
D
So
what
what
current
regulations
and
regulations
that
require
a
lot
more
open
space
to
be
required
as
part
of
development?
Is
it
just
makes
or
can
lead
to
a
developer,
choosing
to
build
fewer
units
in
order
to
avoid
those
higher
open
space
standards?
So
what
the
city
gets
you
on
on
the
ground?
You
might
see
the
same
thing.
You
might
see
two
buildings,
both
four
stories,
but
one
of
them,
the
one
on
the
right
only
has
one
unit
in
each
building
in
each
floor
and
they're
much
more
expensive
units.
D
So
what
we're
proposing
under
the
current
code
is
to
allow
for
more
infill
so
that
we
can
get
those
smaller
units
that
tend
to
be
more
affordable.
So
that's
sort
of
a
key
point
that
sometimes
is
lost.
D
Okay,
I'm
just
about
done
here.
Thank
you
for
your
patience.
D
So
this
is
a
summary
I
think
you
might
have
seen
this
before,
but
I
wanted
to
highlight
it
again
of
the
difference
between
the
current
and
the
proposed
regulations,
and
you
can
see,
there's
not
a
huge
difference
except
that
on
the
residential
side,
primarily
where
we're
tiering
the
requirements
so
that
there's
less
required,
especially
on
smaller
projects
that
have
typically
smaller
lots
and
have
have
to
strain
with
a
lot
a
lot
of
site
constraints
like
in
trying
to
fit
in
the
parking,
the
landscaping,
the
actual
buildings
and
all
into
a
very
small
space.
D
So
that's
that's
really
what
I
wanted
to
just
sort
of
talk
through
briefly,
and
I
wanted
to
highlight-
where
we're
going,
that
the
city
council
is
proposing
to
review
open
space
in
a
work
session,
just
targeted
to
open
space,
and
this
is
open
to
the
public,
of
course,
to
to
watch
so
that
you
can
hear
the
issues
and
we'll
we'll
have
a
lot
of
time
to
get
into
the
nuance,
because
this
can
can
be
confusing
and
so
that'll
be
something
to
listen
out
for
and
it'll
be
recorded.
D
Of
course
you
can
come
back
for
it,
and
that
gives
time
for
knack
for
those
at
least
who
are
interested,
who
want
to
provide
any
other
questions
or
concerns
that
you
know
you
have
time.
If
you
want
to
to
come
back,
if
you,
if
you're
interested
and
then
we
would
likely
move
forward
to
planning
and
zoning
review
sometime
in
the
spring,
so.
F
F
Yes,
I
do
first,
I
want
to
clarify
that
what
was
posted
is
not.
What
is
what
we
voted
on
at
nick.
What
I'm
in
in
disagreement
with
is
just
it's
a
typo
era,
error
that
dawa
didn't
add.
Not
we
recommend
going
as
low
as
five
to
fifteen
percent,
and
all
it
has
to
be
is
not,
and
that
that's
that's
all
I
needed
with
that.
So
this
is
what
we
voted
on
and
I'm
not
going
to
belabor
this
point.
F
But
what
I
want
to
say
is
that
stacy
and
ufc
are
not
in
agreement
with
the
open
space
amendment.
There
was
many
of
us
on
stakeholders
on
this
and
when
he's
talking
about
the
buffers
there
were
other
developers
and
builders
that
were
voted
for
this,
and
if
there
was
a
consensus
of
more
people
wanting
this
than
not,
then
the
environmental
side
of
things.
F
Just
we
just
didn't
win
all
of
us
that
were
on
the
environmental
side
and
I'm
going
to
go
over
this
real
quick
because
we
don't
have
time
but
on
recreational
space
for
every
250
50
square
feet
of
of
a
recreational
seating.
You're
given
open
space
balconies
are
given
open
space
credits,
the
setbacks
and
everything
is
required
on.
The
setback.
Right
now
is
given
credit
for
open
space,
so
that
means
that
what
is
required
in
the
ordinance
now
for
open
space.
F
You
also
double
credit,
and
you
get
credit
for
open
space
on
the
setback.
Buffers
buffers
that
are
required
instead
of
asking
for
additional
open
space
on
top
of
the
buffers.
The
buffers
that
affect
us
in
neighborhoods
are
solely
used
for,
can
be
used
for
open
space
so
and
the
affordable
housing
clause
is
ambiguous.
The
term
in
the
as
it's
currently
written
just
says
below
80
ami
for
30
years,
and
it
needs
to
be
tightened
up
the
fee
and
loop
provisions.
F
F
All
of
us
that
are
involved
in
neighborhoods
and
the
green
infrastructure
are
say
fine
that
other
cities
are
reduced
down
to
five
percent.
Asheville
should
be
a
leader,
the
less
open
space.
You
have
the
less
place
you
have
for
green
entries,
so
that
is
just
a
common
knowledge.
There
were
some
things
that
came
through
this
that
were
a
bonus
and
that
did
work
out,
but
by
and
large
this
is
going
to
impact
neighborhoods
greatly
and
it
is
complicated
and
it
needs
to
be
better
written
than
what
it
is
now
for.
F
Most
of
us
that
have
been
on
this
well
I'd
say
a
few
of
us
members
that
attended
this
we're
concerned.
So
and
that's
my
opinion-
and
I
really,
unless
vadilla
I'm
tired
of
debating
this
with
you
vidilla.
I
really
am
it's
like.
It
just
goes
back
and
forth
back
and
forth
unless
you
can
publicly
state
that
something
I
misstated
is
incorrect.
D
Thank
you
then
greta.
I
I
don't
think
it's
appropriate
in
this
venue
to
go
through
the
the
you
know,
laundry
list
that
you
you
know
mentioned.
There
are
many
many
points
in
open
space
and
in
any
ordinance,
and
we
can
talk
through
them.
I
just
want
to
highlight
well,
one
thing
was
that
you
mentioned
that
stacy
is
against
this
and
that
that
they
have
not
voted
against
this.
I
want
to
highlight
that
we
met
for
nine
months
as
a
task
force.
D
I
want
the
the
the
commission
to
to
think
about
this,
because
this
was
an
important
point
that
took
a
lot
of
staff
time
and
a
lot
of
time
from
volunteers
and
and
we
agreed
to
a
consensus-based
decision-making
process
that
really
was
challenging
a
couple
times.
We
had
to
meet
separately
to
work
out
issues
and
I
think,
ultimately,
we
came
to
a
better
decision
and
I
think
it's
unfortunate
that
a
couple
people
walked
away
from
the
commitment
to
stand
by
the
results
of
this
consensus-based
decision
making
process
and
ultimately
you
know
we
can.
D
We
can
talk
about
individual
details
and-
and
we
are
open
to
talking
about
that,
but
it
can
be
really
confusing
to
try
to
throw
out
and
and
go
through
many
of
them
in
a
meeting
where
you
have
many
things
on
the
agenda
so
we're
open
to,
and
I
want
to
help
to
clarify
any
issue
for
your
members,
so
I
would
suggest
the
video
that
we
created
is
a
good
starting
point
and
and
for
anybody
who
is
interested
in
the
specifics,
I'm
well,
I
would
call
you
could
call
me
or
we
can
talk
them
through,
but
it
probably
isn't
going
to
be
helpful
to
go
through
them.
D
C
Hi
this
is
greta
vadilla.
I
just
wanted
to
make
a
comment
about
your
your
comment
about
doing
a
survey.
I
think
that's
great,
that
you're
open
to
that.
My
preference
would
probably
be
more
of
like
an
info
session.
Just
this
is
a
the
first
time
you
explained
this
to
us.
It
was
like
a
lot
to
digest
when
it
was
the
first.
You
know
the
first
time
I
had
seen
it,
so
I
think
the
public
might
need
a
little
bit
more
opportunity
for
q
a
so.
C
G
Yes
hi:
this
is
elizabeth.
I
second
sort
of
what
greta
was
just
saying
about
the
first
time
when
you
made
the
presentation.
G
I
had
no
idea
what
was
really
going
on
as
a
new
member
of
this
group
and
to
any
asheville
board,
but
I'm
just
sort
of
now
going
back
and
listening
to
the
talking
points
you
made.
I
have
a
couple
of
questions
and
thoughts
because
I'm
not
sure
I
quite
understand
the
point
you
were
making
and
I
assumed
this
is
the
right
time
to
do
that.
G
I
know
it's
been
debated
before
so
when
you
had
the
graph
up
of
the
43
open
space
versus
the
with
the
red
x
and
then
the
proposed
at
15
make
sure
I
understand
this
correctly.
D
Okay,
sorry,
I
wanted
to
go
back
to
the
slide
so
that
everybody
can
see
what
we're
talking
about
so
in
this
particular
district
off
street
parking
for
residential
projects
is
not
required
right,
so
sometimes
you'll
get
a
a
standard
that
isn't
required,
but
the
developer
still
wants
to
provide
it
because
they
know
most
people
drive
right.
So,
even
if
in
parts
of
the
city,
where
we
don't
require
parking,
usually
at
least
some
parking
is
provided
because
they
know
customers
come
with
cars
closer
to
the
cbd.
D
Is
that
the
way
that
open
space
is
currently
written,
it
severely
hamstrings
projects
because
it
requires
so
much
open
space?
I
think
the
way
that
the
code
was
written
was
erroneous.
I
don't
think
it
was
intended
to
be
to
be
this
high,
because
when
you
work
through
the
examples
you
can
see
that
many
historic
properties
that
we
look
at
now
and
can
appreciate
would
not
be
able
to
be
built,
and
I
can
I
can
show
you
some
other
examples.
G
I
think
yeah
okay,
so
I
was
looking
at
these
and
and
honest
honestly
when
I
saw
this.
It
was
working
against
the
point.
I
think
you
were
trying
to
make,
because
what
I
see
is
if
developers
are
coming
in
and
we
have
not
had
any
shortage
of
development
in
asheville
living
in
a
neighborhood
where
13
new
houses
popped
up
in
the
last
two
years
and
took
up
every
space
that
I
could
walk
my
dog.
If
we're
looking
at
this
and
they're
like
oh,
I
don't
want
to
create
that
open
space
I'll
go
elsewhere.
G
I
think
I'm
fine
with
that,
but
when
I
see
the
one
on
the
right,
I
see
if
they're
only
able
to
build,
you
were
sort
of
using
this
as
a
selling
point
and
again
I'm
a
little
confused
that
they
would
build
four
units
instead
of
11
and
then
you
said
something
about
them,
possibly
being
more
affordable.
But
if
a
developer
purchases
a
parcel
of
land,
it
can
only
put
eight
units
total
instead
of
22
they're,
going
to
logically
probably
charge
more.
G
D
Stance,
maybe
I
wasn't
clear
and
I'm
sorry
if
that
was
the
case
you're
right.
What
I
was
trying
to
say
is
that
the
way
the
current
standards
are
written,
you
could
get
this.
The
project
that
looks
the
same.
The
one
on
the
left
has
two
buildings
that
may
be
four
stories.
Each
the
one
on
the
right
would
have
two
buildings
and
four
stories.
D
In
some
cases,
where
you
have
better
conditions
for
walking
like
this
is
closer
to
downtown
such
that
they're
not
required
to
provide
so
much
open
space,
and
this
is
what
we're
proposing
that
the
open
space
on
is
is
tiered
and
it's
it's
it's
different
than
what's
currently
required
so
that
you
can
basically
have
the
amount
of
open
space.
That's
shown
on
the
right,
while
providing
22
housing
units.
G
D
Confused
yeah
yeah,
you're
you're,
right
yeah,
I
I
guess
the
the
x
and
the
and
the
the
green
check
mark
what
I'm
trying.
What
I
was
trying
to
say-
and
I
didn't
do
a
good
job
of
it-
was
on
the
left-
we're
not
getting
what's
on
the
left,
because
they
they
they
aren't
willing
to
incorporate
that
much
open
space
and
and
it's
leading
to
to
development.
That
is
more
like.
What's
on
the
right,
which
is
fewer
units,
more
expensive
units.
G
And
one
more
one,
more
quick
question
about
one
of
those
when
you
were
talking
about
that
the
trees.
The
tree
canopy
was
one
of
the
concerns
of
neck,
and
I
don't
know
you
may
just
be
able
to
answer
that
quickly.
Is
there
any
requirement
for
if
a
developer
comes
in
and
clears
trees,
then
they
have
to
replant
an
equal
amount
of
trees.
D
So
this
is
now
we're
getting
into
the
tree
canopy
preservation,
ordinance,
which
is
separate.
Okay.
I
can.
I
can
tell
you
briefly:
yes,
every
project
that
that
meets
the
the
requirements
for
that
type
of
a
certain
type
of
development
needs
to
provide
trees.
If
you
decide
to
cut
all
your
trees
down,
you
have
to
provide
more
more
trees
and,
and
that
area
is
protected
in
perpetuity,
so
there
is
an
incentive
for
preserving
trees.
D
Now
you
can
do
that
in
in
your
open
space,
but
you
don't
have
to.
G
E
Hi
vidyla,
I
was
wondering
why
parks
don't
really
fit
into
the
definition
of
open
space
and
why
it
was
initially
included.
D
Well,
I'm
not
sure
if
parks
was
included
in
the
definition
I
mean
a
like
a
a
park
in
quotes,
not
a
public
park,
but
a
developer
can
build
a
park
as
part
of
let's
say
it's
a
large
apartment
complex.
They
can
make
a
playground
and
park
area,
but
I
it's
important
that
we
distinguish
between
that
are
publicly
accept
accessible
that
are
typically
owned
by
the
city
versus
this
ordinance,
which
is
about
the
amount
of
private,
basically
private,
open
space
that
is
set
aside
for
the
users
of
that
property.
D
E
D
Right,
so
this
is
a
nuance:
that's
a
little
confusing,
but
I'll
go
into
it.
Since
you
raised
the
question,
the
grant
center
is
the
park's
property
and
it
will
remain
parked
property.
There's
a
proposal
to
expand
the
grant
center
that
has
been
undergoing
for
multiple
years.
That
plan
is
moving
forward.
E
Thank
you
for
that
clarification.
My
one
other
concern
is
that
you
know
at
the
bottom
of
the
document
is
to
basically
have
a
fee
in
lieu.
So
all
the
all
of
the
fine
points
that
you
might
create
that
would
govern
open
space
can
easily
be
just
completely
ignored
as
long
as
there's
money
and
that
that's
a
concern
to
me
because
it
I
don't
know
what
definition.
That
is,
how
much
money,
how
much
is
it
worth
to
cut
down
open
space
and
whatnot?
But
right,
that's
my
other
concern.
D
Yeah,
so
fianlu
has
been
a
part
of
this
forever
and
we're
proposing
that
it
continue
to
be
on
the
books.
The
way
it
is
calculated
is
by
the
value
of
the
property.
So,
let's
just
say
for
simplicity:
your
property
is
worth
a
hundred
thousand
dollars,
and
the
open
space
that
you
were
going
to
have
to
provide
is
a
tenth
of
that
property.
D
We
currently
have
a
little
bit
over
two
hundred
thousand
dollars
as
part
of
our
fee
in
lieu,
and
our
legal
department
has
instructed
us
to
not
take
any
action
on
the
way
that
fee
and
lew
is
managed,
because
there's
currently
a
lawsuit
going
on
with
another
city
and
and
we
don't
want
to
risk
being
sued
by
the
same
people
who
are
suing
that
city
and
instead
our
legal
department
is
suggesting
that
we
wait
until
the
lawsuits
are
settled
so
that
we
better
know
what
the
courts
allow
for
how
cities
can
administer
their
open
space
fee
and
lieu
funds.
C
Yeah,
just
looking
at
that
example
that
elizabeth
was
asking
about
made
me
think
of
something
I
seem
to
remember
in
the
last
presentation
that
having
like
water
and
sewer,
or
what
do
you
call
it
like
water.
C
Not
aquatic
buffers
but
like
drainage
and
stuff.
C
Water,
thank
you.
Geez
having
the
storm
water,
adding
extra
storm
water
to
a
plan
could
then
reduce
the
required
amount
of
open
space.
D
Yes,
that's
that's
a
good
point,
so
I
think
the
short
answer
is
yes
and
the
question
is:
what
are
the
impacts?
D
Currently,
we
have
maximum
parking
standards
that,
if
you
exceed
them
you
can,
you
can
add
more
parking,
but
at
a
certain
point
you
have
to
make
it
per
pervious,
so
that,
if
somebody
wants
to
put
in
much
more
parking
than
we
believe
is,
is.
D
D
How
does
it
affect
the
cost
of
housing
and
business
impacts?
Is
a
and
and
and
do
we
want
to
do
that?
We
recently
we've
met
with
the
stormwater
task
force
in
trying
to
to
meet
the
the
understanding
that
as
the
city
grows,
there
are
more
stormwater
impacts
and
we
have
to
mitigate
those
somehow.
So
this
might
be
a
great
idea
for
how
we
do
that,
and
you
know
that
would
probably
be
a
separate
conversation
I
mean.
D
C
C
I'm
kind
of
seeing
it
as
a
way
to
to
please
both
sides
a
little
bit
where,
if
you
have
more
impervious
parking
that
could
then
count
as
open
space,
because
it
is
not
a
trade-off
like
you
are
helping
with
a
stormwater
situation
but
you're,
not
then
getting
a
free
ticket
to
have
less
open
space,
because
it's
kind
of
you
know
ticking
the
box.
Both
boxes.
D
You'd
be
surprised,
some
people
will
say
that
shouldn't
be
open
space
that
that
you
can
drain
you.
Can
you
can
capture
storm
water
and
drain
it
on
a
parking
field,
but
it's
still
a
parking
field
and
a
place.
That's
that
that
allows
for
cars
to
move
around
should
not
be
counted,
so
I
could
guarantee
you
that
we
would
have
resistance
to
count
that
as
open
space,
so.
C
I
think
that
my
what
the
way
I'm
looking
at
it,
as
is
that
it
would
be
a
way
to
encourage
people
to
go
with
pervious
parking
instead
of
impervious,
because
then
they
can
count,
some
of
it
as
open
space
versus
just
having
their
impervious
parking
and
then
being
allowed
to
have
less
open
space
because
they
diverted
water
somewhere
or
you
know,
I
don't
know
just.
D
F
My
last
comment:
the
sample
you
use
vadilla
is
that
kmart
isn't
that
going
to
be
the
new
ingles
that
I
saw
at
grc
that
went
through
and
they've
done.
I'm
sorry
was
that
isn't
that
the
sample
isn't
that
the
new
angle.
D
F
I
saw
the
storm
water
plans
for
that
and
the
landscape
plan,
for
that,
and
I
think,
what's
a
misnomer
for
everybody,
is
we
have
a
state
level
of
storm
water,
for
that
example
that
you
use
they're
putting
in
a
huge
cape
catchment
system,
they're
going
to
have
tree
islands
they're
having
street
trees
they're
having
building
impact
trees?
F
Actually,
for
the
first
time,
they're
really
putting
everything
in
there
that
they're
required
to
put
in
from
my
understanding
on
the
stormwater
and
open
space
is
they're
wanting
some
additional
requirements
to
add
on
to
stormwater
due
to
our
topography,
so
that
I
think
that
example,
you
used
with
the
new
ingles
coming
in
it's
completely,
not
going
to
look
like
what
it
looks
like
now.
F
Granite
is
going
to
be
parking
lot,
but
it's
going
to
have
a
parking
lot,
trees,
vua,
trees,
it's
having,
I
mean
it's
being
landscaped
out
and
it's
going
to
do
a
job
and
not
look
like
it
does
now
on
that
big
waste
of
a
kmart
parking
lot.
So
the
thing
is
is
that
we
do
have
storm
water
enforcement
in
place.
F
It's
just
not
as
good
as
the
city
would
like
to
see
due
to
our
topography,
I'm
all
for
increasing
storm
water,
but
I
believe
that
we've
got
to
avoid
this
black
and
white
issue
that
it's
all
or
nothing.
I
believe
we
need
open
space
to
be
more
equitable
for
the
neighborhoods.
I
think
it's
a
good
job
for
our
large
developments.
D
Okay
and
I'll
just
respond,
you
know
any
one-off,
you
know
maybe
a
one-off
and
it
you're
you're,
suggesting
that
one,
the
the
site
on
on
on
patent
avenue
that
the
kmart
as
it's
proposed
may
come
in
with
stormwater.
What
we're!
D
What
we're
integrating
in
this
code
is
important,
because
currently,
state
statute
does
not
require
infill
projects
like
that
kmart
or
say
the
innsbruck
mall
to
to
capture
any
storm
water
on
their
site
if
they
have
a
plan
that
increases
perviousness,
so
the
in
the
innsbruck
mall
could
plant
literally
one
tree
and
because
of
that
and
because
of
state
law,
they're
not
required.
So
this
is
a
little
bit
in
the
weeds,
but
just
to
highlight
you
know
there
may
be
exceptions
and
those
exceptions
are
great.
D
If
somebody
if
somebody
like
ingles,
chooses
to
integrate
stormwater,
that's
good
for
the
city
and
and
yes,
we
we
should
applaud
them,
but
by
we
need
to
codify
this,
to
ensure
that
other
large
sites
do
that,
because
many
sites,
if
they're
not
required
to
they,
won't
if
it
was
the
same
with
landscaping
standards
before
we
had
landscaping
standards,
you
can
drive
through
many
parking
lots.
Still
in
asheville
or
other
other
places,
they
don't
have
any
trees,
they
didn't
start
making
trees
because
they
were
great
stewards.
F
So
I
can
go
back
and
forth
with
you
on
this
and
say
that
the
city
does
its
darndest
to
make
storm
water
work
and
developers
want
to
develop
our
doing
and
we're
not
having
this
plethora
of
horrible
builders
coming
in
and
not
putting
in
the
storm
water.
That's
required.
The
city
wants
to
tighten
up,
I'm
all
for
that.
But
it's
not
that
unique
example
that
I
feel
that
you
use
and
you
and
I
could
go
back
and
forth
on
this,
and
I
don't
think
we
need
to
waste
any
more
next
time
on
this.
A
I
appreciate
that
you
have
come
and
given
this
some
insight
on
what
you're
doing,
I
have
a
concern
only
because
I
live
in
a
community
where
we
see
we're
impacted
by
what
you
would
call
affordable,
housing,
fair
housing,
open
spaces
being
closed
up
with
people
with
private
property
developers
doing
things.
I
would
just
ask
that
you
would
put
your
email
address
in
in
the
chat
or
somewhere
for
people
if
they
needed
to,
if
they
don't
have
it.
A
A
A
A
What
I
want
to
do
for
the
next
couple
of
months
is
that
I
would
ask
that
each
of
you
that
represent
the
zip
codes
that
you
represent.
The
areas
where
you
live
find
out.
If
you
have
a
community
association
meeting
and
at
least
attend
one,
so
we
can
kind
of
give
them
some
input
on.
What's
going
on,
you
can
kind
of
give
them
a
briefing
of
open
spaces.
A
You
can
kind
of
like
give
them
up
some
updates
on
some
things
that
may
be
going
to
come
through
the
city
that
they
may
have
missed,
because
everybody's
not
on
the
website.
So
that
is
what
I
want
to
encourage
each
one
of
us
myself
included
for
neighborhoods
or
if
I
attend
others.
I
would
also
like
you
to
attend
a
city
council
meetings
virtually
if
you
possibly
can
so
that
we
can
that's
what
we
do.
A
We're
a
neighborhood
advisory
committee
and
we
advise
we,
we
listen,
we
communicate
and
we
go
back
and
tell
our
neighborhoods
because
that's
what's
getting
lost
right
now.
They
have
no
idea
what
open
spaces
are
they
have
not.
They
have
no
idea
what's
coming
next,
so
it's
up
to
us
to
make
sure
that
we
get
that
information
out
to
them.
So
that
was
just
briefly
what
I
wanted
to
say.
If
anybody
had
any
comment-
or
you
know
about
about
that-
you
can
speak
up
at
this
time.
Oh
okay,
okay,
darwin.
A
H
Great,
I
did
as
everybody's
thinking
about
everything
you
just
shared
chairwoman
mays.
I
I
did
want
to
share
with
you
all
that
we've
got
resources
such
as
the
neighborhood
news
that
can
be
a
good
tool
as
you're
going
out
into
community
and
helping
your
neighbors
have
a
greater
understanding
or
access
to
things
that
are
happening
in
the
city
and
in
these
coming
months.
I
too
want
to
explore
what
additional
resources
would
be
helpful
for
you
all,
as
you
continue
to
do
that.
F
Yes,
I
do
which
brings
me
up
to.
I
was
gonna.
I
got
two
emails,
I
never
get
any
emails
regarding
the
neighborhood
news
and
updates,
but
there's
a
article
there
on
the
city
of
asheville
addresses
homelessness
on
many
fronts,
which
is
a
very
touchy
issue
for
all
of
us
everywhere,
and
I
do
believe
that
there
were
some
points
in
that
article,
that
bordered
on
the
political
and
made
comments
that
weren't
necessarily
well.
They
weren't
the
comments
so
that
people
that
peppered
me
with
why.
F
Why
was
this
said
and
where
was
the?
Where
was
the
documentation
to
back
this
up
other
than
just
to
have
someone
say
something
because
they
felt
like
they
needed
to
say
it.
So
what
I
was
going
to
say
is
that
if
we
could
stick
with
with
facts
as
opposed
to
opinions
on
this,
because
I
don't
know
as
a
person
on
neck,
they
were
coming
to
me
because
I
thought
maybe
I
could
say
something
or
do
something
which
I
can't
I
can
just
have
an
opinion
like
everybody
else.
F
A
F
I'm
talking
about
homeless
people
are
not
the
problem.
Homelessness
is
the
problem.
Well,
that
says,
that's
that's
just
a
that's
an
opinion.
You
know,
and
that's
I
mean
we
can
all
debate
that
ad
nauseam
forever
and
ever,
but
in
order
to
for
the
city
of
asheville
to
address
these
issues,
there
were
some
quotes.
Also,
homelessness
is
a
soluble
problem.
Well,
there's
a
great
article
in
the
wall
street
journal
that
came
out
yesterday
front
page,
it's
great.
It
talks.
F
States
and
cities
are
doing
it's,
it's
endemic,
not
only
us
to
everybody
everywhere
and
we
all
have
got
an
opinion
on
it.
So
what
I'm
saying
is,
if
we're
going
to
address
an
opinion,
then
we
need
to
say
it's
an
opinion
and
and
not
say
that
homelessness
is
a
solvable
issue
if
great
minds
have
not
solved
it.
I
don't
see
us
in
astral
being
able
to
solve
this,
and
there
was
a
some
statements
made
on
on
the
percentage
of
people
that
had
homes
in
the
ramada.
Well,
we've
got
direct
quotes
of
that.
F
There's,
not
these
the
people
that
were
had
gotten
jobs.
That
is
not
a
correct
amount
of
the
people
that
have
gotten
jobs
and
and
there's
emails
out
that
prove
that
it's
different.
So
what
I'm
saying
is
if
we're
gonna
hit
an
issue
like
this,
there
was
stuff
for
businesses.
I
manage
a
shopping
center.
This
is
something
I
deal
with
all
the
time
in
my
shopping
center,
I've
broken
down
all
week,
four
homeless
camps.
So
I
understand
the
issue
and
I
understand,
what's
going
on,
I'm
just
got
a
couple
emails
from
people
going.
F
Why
is
the
city
making
statements
that
they
they
think
that
they
can
solve
homelessness
and
and
homeless?
People
are
not
the
problem.
Well,
some
of
them
are,
some
of
them
are
not.
It
depends
on
who's
homeless,
like
anything
and
the
situation,
so
we've
got
to
be
careful
of
what
we
put
out
to
the
community
right
now.
I
believe,
especially
in
times
that
are
so
many
diverse
opinions,
and
so
much
going
on
that.
I
really
think
we
need
to
be
more
mindful.
A
Okay,
so
I
will
say
this:
I
read
the
article
and
I've
seen
the
wall
street
article
and
I
think
that
next
position
right
now
is
not
that
that
would
be
something
with
the
city
and-
and
I
don't
know
who
put
out
the
newsletter,
but
I
think
that
that
would
be
a
separate
conversation
for
either
to
talk
to
darryl,
hitch
or
brenda
mills
and
maybe
just
shoot
them
emails
about
those
concerns,
and
they
can
get
back
to
you,
because
that's
that's
really
an
area
that
knack
is
not
really.
A
It
would
not
reflect
on
us
because
it's
it's
an
opinion
about
a
city-wide
thing
and
not
about
a
a
neighborhood
or
a
community
thing,
and
that
way,
if
it
is,
it
would
go
back
to
the
city
and
not
neck.
Does
that.
F
A
H
Yeah
and
I'm
glad
I'll,
just
just
jump
in
and
say
that
that
definitely
chairwoman
hayes
the
role
of
the
neighborhood
advisory
committee
is
to
provide
policy
advice
to
council.
That's
why
the
committee
exists
absolutely,
and
I
will
open
an
invitation
if
you
all,
you
all,
have
great
connections
in
the
community,
and
I
think
that
that
is
probably
what's
driven
you
to
serve
on
the
committee.
H
So
so
in
a
separate
and
a
separate
arm
of
this,
I
am
always
happy
for
you
to
share
any
reactions
that
you
have
to
communication
pieces
that
go
out
and
the
neighborhood
news
draws
from
the
city's
overall
communication
program.
So
it
wasn't
written
specifically
just
for
the
neighborhood
news,
but
has
been
distributed
widely
and
was
reflected
from
the
city
manager's
presentation
on
homelessness.
That
happened
the
week
before.
H
So
all
of
this
input
helps
us
hone
our
communication,
so
it's
accessible
for
all
people
and
that's
our
goal
at
the
end,
so
anytime,
in
a
separate
arm.
If
you
ever
want
to
reach
out
to
me
directly,
I'm
happy
to
take
that
feedback
and
share
it
across
the
organization.
So
we
can
keep
improving.
C
Hi
there
thanks
bob
that
I'm
a
couple
conversations
behind
now,
but
I
just
wanted
to
make
a
comment
in
response
to
your
comment
by
a
bet
about
members
going
and
educating
our
neighboring
associations.
C
I
just
wanted
to
support
that,
because
that
is
the
whole
reason
we
spent
four
or
five
months
trying
to
add
to
our
purpose
beyond
just
advising
city
council.
We
are
also
here
to
educate
and
support
neighborhoods.
So
that
was
something
that
I
apparently
had
to
fight
very
hard
for
to
get
put
in
there,
because
it's
something
that
we
do
anyway,
but
now
it's
part
of
our
purpose
so
happy
about
that.
A
Do
we
have
any
updates
from
other,
like
sharing
the
commission,
that
you're
on
and
if
other
community,
you
know
things
that
you're
on
any
committees.
A
F
Yeah,
I
I
would,
in
response
to
say,
see,
he's
correct.
Stacy
has
not
come
out
with
a
position,
but
from
what
I
understand,
the
position
is
going
to
be
neutral
as
far
as
urban
forestry
commissions
position
on
as
they're
concerned
about
the
green
space
and
we've
got
a
tree
protection
canopy
amendment,
but
as
jp
said,
everything
can
be
femaled
out
of
so
in
your
neighborhood.
F
You
can
feed
lieu
out
of
open
space
and
you
can
feed
lieu
out
of
your
trees
and
the
examples
that
he
used
were
neighborhoods
were
in
west
asheville
and
again
I
wish
that
if
we
were
going
to
do
open
space
we
could
do
the
city
likes
to
do.
One
size
fits
all.
If
we
could
do
one
for
the
neighborhoods
and
one
for
the
commercial.
F
I
think
that
would
just
would
be
what
we
actually
need
and
for
some
reason
we
don't
like
doing
that
as
a
city,
we
don't
like
making
it
complicated
for
the
developers
you
know,
and
so
it
will
come
back.
It's
probably
not
gonna
go
until
march,
so
I
think
all
of
us,
if
we're
gonna,
have
another
opinion
on
open
space.
I
don't
know
how
we're
gonna
go
about
doing
that
other
than
send
emails
to
vadilla
or
if
you
want
a
another
side
of
it,
send
an
email
to
me.
F
I'm
trying
to
be
as
fair
as
I
can,
without
always
arguing
that
point
with
vadilla,
but
I
find
there's
a
lot
of
give
and
take
in
this
and
so
there's
a
lot
of
information
that
needs
to
be
called
out
and
I'd
be
more
than
willing
to
answer
any
of
your
questions
that
you
have
to
the
dilla
send
to
me,
and
I
may
be
in
complete
agreement
or
I
may
not,
with
with
your
questions.
A
Okay,
we've
got
this
information,
and
maybe
we
have
something
that
every
member
could
have
that
they
can
look
over
so
that
by
the
time
we
sit
down
to
talk
about
it,
we
would
have
a
better
understanding
of
what
it
is,
because
a
lot
of
pieces
to
this
I
did
not
know
because
I
don't
serve
on
that
board.
So
I'm
learning.
So
I
think
that
would
help
all
of
us
because
we're
we're
talking
about
neighborhoods,
I
think
about
the
people,
the
latinx
community
that
lives
the
emma
they
have
the
they
have.
A
They
live
in
trailers,
they
own
their
trailers,
but
they
don't
own
the
land
and
they're
really
concerned
about
the
fact
that
maybe
the
person
that
owns
the
property
will
decide
that
he
could
make
more
money
and
he'll
sell
it,
and
then
they
don't
have
anywhere
to
go.
So
I
think
that's
a
that's
a
neighborhood
issue,
that's
impacted
by
the
new
k-mart,
and
so
we
got
some
things
that
you
know
because
a
lot
of
stuff
goes
over
my
head,
sometimes
because
I'm
not
familiar
with
it.
A
F
Yeah-
and
we
do
have
more
time
now-
and
also
I'm
going
to
take
it
to
easton
valley
again
when
I
brought
it
to
easton
valley
before
because,
as
we
all
know
now,
it's
a
lot
to
swallow
and
to
get
everybody's
attention
to
start
over.
But
now
easton
valley
is
starting
to
pay
attention,
as
some
of
these
older
homes
that
are
on
large
properties
are
being
sold
and
divided
up.
Now
I
can
get
everybody's
attention
more
so
than
I
did
a
year
ago
when
I
first
brought
this
up
when
renee
said
you
know
sharon.
F
We
can't
think
about
that
right
now
and
I
think
now
at
my
next
meeting
with
easton
valley,
that
I
can
bring
it
and
say:
okay,
we
really
need
to
to
concentrate
on
this
because
once
it
goes
into
effect,
it's
very
hard
to
back
something.
A
Out
right,
right
and
renee-
and
I
are
very
good
friends
and
we
serve
on
the.
F
B
A
B
B
B
I
am
going
to
be
put
on
their
board,
so
I'm
excited
about
that
and
I
also
wanted
to
let
everyone
have
an
idea
I
have
reached
out
to
dawa,
and
I
said
that
I
would
like
to
have
a
list
which
we'll
get
at
the
end
of
this
week
as
to
who
received
the
grants.
What
neighborhoods
received
the
grants-
and
I
thought
it
would
be
beneficial
as
a
part
of
our
nap
group.
B
If
each
of
us
could
write
a
congratulatory
note
to
the
people
that
have
worked
so
hard
to
write
these
grants
so
that
they
know
that
we
are
supporting
them
in
their
neighborhoods
and
an
idea
that
we
could,
all
you
know,
transcend
across
the
board
to
show
our
support
for
their
grant.
Writing,
but
to
let
them
know
who
we
are,
and
maybe,
in
the
note
we
can
talk
about
the
open
spaces
and
we
can
talk
about
the
other.
Please
contact
us
if
we
have
if
we
can
be
of
any
help
to
you.
B
These
are
the
points
that
I
would
like
to
bring
up
in
my
note
that
I'm
going
to
be
sending
out
to
the
grantees,
so
I
just
wanted
everybody
to
have
an
idea
about
that.
Thank
you.
C
I
don't
know
if
this
is
too
small
for
this
conversation,
but
I
thought
it
would
be
nice
to
share
that.
A
group
of
my
neighbors
and
I
are
working
to
revive
our
association,
which
has
been
dormant
for
a
number
of
years.
H
That
that
is
me
and
and
thank
you
sharon
for
the
catch
of
that
very
unfortunate
typo
in
the
minutes
and-
and
I
did
want
to
offer
up
if
I
understood
sharon
correctly-
if
you
all
want
to
go
back
and
make
a
motion
to
adopt
the
minutes
with
the
correction
of
adding
not
before
going
as
low
as
5
to
15
percent,
then
you
all
could
vote
on
that.
And
then
we
can
just
wrap
up
all
that
business
from
this
meeting
and
move
on.
That's
up
to
you
all,
but
it
could
it.
A
A
F
A
H
Chairman
amazing,
I
think
we
missed
wendy
hart
or
wendy
hayner.
A
H
A
Miss
wendy
hayner,
oh
I'm,
sorry,
miss
wendy,
hainer,
aye.
Okay!
Is
that
all
I
didn't
miss
anybody
else,
I'm
just
so
excited
about
the
fact
that
we're
gonna
do
things
with
the
neighborhood.
I
don't
you
know
so
excuse
that.
I'm
just
glad
we
had
a
good
first
meeting,
so
it's
been
moved
in
second
and
it's
been
approved
by
everyone,
and
so
it
stands
that
it
is
so
now
we
will
look
at
our
next
the
agenda
for
our
next
upcoming
meeting.
A
D
A
I've
enjoyed
this.
I
want
to
tell
you
that
I
appreciate
each
one
of
you
for
being
here.
I
appreciate
the
fact
that,
because
I
am
new-
and
I
was
not
really
repaired
prepared
for
this,
but
I
think
we
did
well,
I
appreciate
darwa
for
everything
that
she
has
done.
So
I
will
now
adjourn
the
meeting
until
the.
Unless
there
are
objections
so
adjourned
enjoy
the
rest
of
your
evening.