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B
Good
afternoon,
everyone
I
am
chair
kite,
and
I
would
like
to
welcome
you
to
the
march
9
2022
historic
resources.
Commission
meeting
the
hrc
is
a
quasi-judicial
body
that
is
governed
by
north
carolina
general
statutes,
the
city
of
asheville's,
unified
development,
ordinance
and
buncombe
county
ordinance.
We
are
authorized
to
hear
requests
for
certificate
of
appropriateness
for
alterations,
demolitions,
new
construction
and
other
work
within
historic
districts
or
for
the
alteration
and
demolition
of
historic
landmarks
and
other
duties,
including
preliminary
review
of
subdivisions
as
specified
in
the
ordinances
for
the
hrc.
B
And
entering
code
9384
for
those
wishing
to
give
public
comment
during
an
agenda
item,
please
call
in
and
press
star
3
to
enter
the
caller
queue.
I
will
now
ask
commission
members
to
introduce
themselves
and
say
a
sentence
or
two
about
their
background
or
experience
as
it
relates
to
serving
on
the
commission.
C
E
F
G
B
B
Will
vote
by
by
roll
call,
commissioner
lazarus
hi
commissioner
hornaday.
G
B
G
B
B
The
hrc
hears
and
considers
evidence
presented
and
applies
the
standards
set
forth
in
the
guidelines
and
standards
of
the
specific
historic
district
for
that
application.
The
hrc
must
make
its
decision
upon
competent,
material
and
substantial
evidence
to
determine
the
facts
of
the
hearing.
The
hrc
will
use
judgment
and
discretion
to
apply
the
standards
contained
in
the
relevant
guidelines
to
the
facts.
The
commissioners
in
voting
for
an
item
will
not
have
a
fixed
opinion.
B
That's
not
susceptible
to
change
will
not
have
a
conflict
of
interest
and
will
not
have
engaged
to
next
party
communication
regarding
the
application.
Following
is
the
rules
for
speaking.
This
meeting
is
open
to
the
public,
but
participation
is
limited
to
interested
parties
who
wish
to
provide
comment
testimony
regarding
the
proposal.
B
If
you
will
be
speaking
as
a
witness,
please
focus
on
the
facts
and
how
they
relate
to
the
relevant
historic
district
standards
and
guidelines,
not
personal
preference
or
opinion
witnesses
must
swear
or
affirm
their
testimony.
At
this
time,
I
will
administer
the
oath
for
all
individuals
who
intend
to
provide
witness
testimony.
F
D
B
All
right,
so
that
covers
everybody
on
the
swearing
in,
for
the
time
being,
we're
gonna
move
to
our
first
public
hearing
item
and
I
don't
doesn't
look
like
we
have
anything
to
continue
so
we're
going
to
start
with
our
first
agenda
item,
which
is
in
st
dunstan's
at
13,
saint
dunstan's
circle.
We'll
start
alex
with
your
report.
A
Thank
you,
chair
kite
and
thank
you,
members
of
the
commission.
This
application
is
for
a
non-contributing
structure
that
was
built,
I
think,
in
around
1960
and
is
in
the
saint
johnston's
historic
district.
It
currently
has
final
sighting
and
trim
and
soffits,
and
the
proposal
is
to
replace
all
of
the
existing
siding
with
new
lp
smart
siding.
A
I've
not
noted
any
concerns
necessarily
except
for
that.
I
they
included
several
options,
including
textured
lap
and
textured
shake
and
smooth
options
for
both,
and
I
don't
have
a
strong
opinion
in
my
research
on
ranch
style
houses.
There
was
a
variety
of
siding
types
used.
Initially,
I
kind
of
thought
shape
might
not
be
the
right
thing
for
a
ranch,
but
actually
there
were
there
were
some
that
had
had
shingle,
siding
and
and
some
that
had
faux
shingle
siding
like
the
old
masonite
exciting.
A
So
my
recommendation
is
just
that:
the
that
the
siding
be
smooth,
whether
it's
lap
or
shake,
and
that
we
need
to
know
the
reveal
of
the
siding,
although
I
think
you
know
that
could
certainly
be
a
condition.
I
think
the
max
reveal
for
lap
siding
that
the
commission
has
allowed
us
six
and
a
quarter
inches
and
then
I
do
think
we'll
need
a
section
drawing
of
the
window
and
door
trim.
So
we
know
what
that
will
look
like,
and
I
think
that
could
also
be
a
condition.
A
So
those
are
the
only
things.
I've
noted
on
the
staff
report
so
glad
that
they
are
willing
to
take
up
the
mission
of
putting
some
more
historically
appropriate
siding
on
this
structure.
So
that's
all
that
I
have
on
this
application,
but
I'm
happy
to
answer
questions.
E
J
B
B
Right,
commissioners,
any
questions
for
the
applicant.
B
A
I
think
becky
and
pete,
you
all
had
your
your
number.
One
choice
was
the
shake
siding,
correct.
J
That's
what
we
would
like
just
because
it
would
add
a
little
more
interest
to
an
otherwise
very
plain
facade.
If
that
I
mean
if
that's
okay,
if
that's
okay,
that's
that's
what
we
would
like.
Okay,.
J
J
We
have,
we
actually
have
a
sample
of
it
that
they
gave
us
at
the
at
the
distributor.
Okay,
so
it
would
be.
You
know,
just
a
smooth
ship.
A
Okay,
I
think
then,
maybe
there's
just
two
conditions
needed
right,
because
someone
can
whoever
reads
the
motion
can
just
read,
say:
lp,
shake
smart,
siding
and
smooth
finish
with,
reveal
tbd
and
then
and
then
the
two
conditions
are
just
the
things
listed,
the
reveal
of
the
siding
and
then
the
section
drawing
for
the
trim,
sound,
okay,.
K
A
It
would
be
something
that
you
would
need
from
from
your
contractor,
probably
so,
but
we
can.
We
can
talk
about
that
once
we
get
through
the
meeting
today,
I'll
follow
up
with
you,
okay,
the
next
hopefully
before
the
end
of
the
week,
if
not
early
next
week
on
next
steps
and
we
can
get
help,
get
you
squared
away
on
those
two
outstanding
things:
okay,.
F
C
I'd
be
glad
to
read
the
motion
with
a
little
I
wrote
down
notes,
but
just
in
case
there's
a
little
bit
of
stumbling
as
long
as
I
got
back
up.
Shall
I
start
sure,
madam
chair,
based
upon
the
evidence
presented
to
this
commission,
including
exhibit
a
application
and
project
description.
Five
pages
exhibit
b
photos
of
subject
property,
four
pages,
exhibit
c
property
card,
two
pages,
exhibit
d
material
estimates,
two
pages,
there's
nothing
else
correct.
C
I
move
that
this
commission
approve
the
certificate
of
appropriateness
based
on
the
following
that
the
application
is
to
replace
exterior
vinyl,
siding,
trim
and
soffits
with
lp
shake
smart
siding
in
smooth
finish
with
to
be
determined
reveal.
Do
we
that
works
all
work
will
be
in
accordance
with
attached
drawings
and
plans.
All
permits,
variances
or
approvals,
as
required
by
law,
must
be
obtained
before
work
may
commence
commence.
C
Two
that
the
standards
for
non-contributing
structures
found
on
pages
62-63
of
the
saint
jensen's
historic
design
review
standards
adopted
september
12
2012
were
used
to
evaluate
this
request.
This
application
does
meet
the
design
standards
for
the
following
reasons:
a
historically
appropriate
inappropriate,
vinyl
materials
are
being
removed
b.
The
architectural
integrity
of
the
structure
is
being
maintained,
c
replacement,
materials
materials
are
compatible
with
the
size,
scale,
color
material
and
character
of
the
neighborhood,
the
building
and
its
environment.
B
Okay,
we'll
vote
by
roll
call.
Commissioner
lazarus
aye,
commissioner
hornaday
hi,
commissioner
gross
aye
commissioner
oliva
aye,
commissioner
vaughn
aye
commissioner
west
aye,
commissioner
watkins.
I
myself
I
as
well,
and
that
motion
carries.
C
B
J
B
A
Okay,
thank
you.
I
know
we
have
a
maybe
a
couple
one
or
two
folks
who
are
maybe
we're
not
here
when
this
project
was
reviewed,
but
maybe
you
all
were,
and
maybe
I'll
have
a
terrible
memory,
but
this
application
is
for
a
couple
of
after
the
fact
items
for
an
accessory
structure
that
was
approved
at
this
address
here
recently.
I
want
to
say
it's
been
at
least
within
the
last
couple
of
years.
I'm
sure
stephen
and
mary
remember
exactly
when,
when
it
came
through
a
review,
but
anyway
july.
L
A
Pandemic
time
work
room,
so
this
application
is
for
a
couple
of
things,
as
I
mentioned.
So
the
first
thing
is
the
roof
overhang
on
the
right
is
the
elevation
drawing
as
approved
so
you'll
notice
that
the
roof
overhang
was
something
that
wasn't
included
in
the
initial
approval,
but
was
constructed
as
part
of
the
structure,
and
then
they
also
opted
for
different
entry
doors
than
what
was
previously
approved.
A
So
those
are
the
two
parts
of
the
structure
that
are
different
than
than
what
initially
came
through.
The
commission
there's
also
a
newer
section
of
retaining
wall
back
behind
here
there's
an
existing
section.
You
can
kind
of
see
in
the
four
of
this
picture,
so
it's
really
just
a
continuation
of
that
along
the
property
line
and
then
some
paving
and
it's
the
it's
the
area.
The
highlighted
section
on
the
top
right
here
is
where
the
wall
is,
and
then
the
paving
is
between
the
the
wall
and
the
in
the
structure.
A
So
it's
completely
invisible
from
from
most
anywhere,
but
I
haven't
noted
any
concerns.
Initially,
I
kind
of
had
some
questions
about
the
doors
that
were
selected,
but
this
the
the
primary
structure
actually
is
kind
of
like
a
kind
of
a
rambly
structure
and
has
different
types
of
doors
on
it.
Currently.
So
when
I
made
the
site
visit
with
stephen
and
mary,
I
didn't
it
didn't
give
me
any
pause
as
far
as
the
style
of
the
door
being
inconsistent
with
the
main
house
or
the
structure
so.
A
Difference
here
you
can
see
where
the
the
window
headers
don't
come
all
the
way
up,
underneath
the
roof
line
like
they
are
shown
on
the
drawing.
I
don't.
I
didn't
note
that
as
really
a
big
change
in
my
mind,
but
I
just
wanted
to
point
that
out.
So
I'm
not
noting
any
concerns
and
I
support
approval
of
the
application
that
says.
B
Stephen
or
mary,
is
there
anything
else
that
you'd
like
to
add
to
what
alex
has
already
mentioned.
B
Okay,
we'll
hit
pause
for
just
a
brief
second
and
open
the
floor
for
public
comment.
I
I
had
just
looking
at
the
did
that
I
meant
to
click
in
before
to
talk
to
the
applicants.
I'm
sorry
did,
or
this
could
just
be
for
alex.
Did
the
building
itself
get
taller
or
is
it
just
a
different
scale
in
between
the
drawings.
L
No,
it's
exactly
the
same
as
in
the
drawings.
We
didn't
change
anything
on
the
on
the
height
at
all.
L
I
think
I
pointed
out
when
we
had
the
origin,
when
we
initially
applied
that
it
looked
like
the
buildings
were
going
to
be
side
by
side,
but
it
was
just
you
know
because
of
the
perspective,
it
really
is
back
where
the
original
garage
was
in
the
in
the
back.
A
A
I
mean
I
think
we
had
and
I
can
dig
it
out
if
it's
helpful
well
or
commissioner
hernandez
there's
a.
I
think
the
architect
did
a
rendering
where
they
showed
both
the
structures
together,
but
obviously
without
the
hill
I
mean
he
did
render
it
with
the
hill
like
as
if
the
hill
were
there,
but
without
seeing
the
actual
physicality
of
the
topography
within
that
drawing
you
know,
I
think
it
made
it.
Probably.
This
probably
makes
it
seem
a
little
bit
more
dramatic,
but
I
think
it's
the
same
scale
as
what
was
approved.
Yeah.
A
E
I
Oh
okay,
madam
chair,
based
upon
the
evidence
presented
to
this
commission
in
including
exhibit
a
application
and
project
description.
Three
pages
exhibit
b
photos
of
subject
property,
five
pages
and
the
commission's
actual
inspection
and
review
of
subject
property
by
all
members.
Except.
I
I
move
that
this
commission
approves
the
certificate
of
appropriate
based
on
the
following
one
that
the
application
consists
of.
After
the
fact
approval
to
make
changes
to
a
recently
constructed
constructed
accessory
structure,
including
construction
of
a
gabled
end
roof
covering
over
front
door,
installation
of
a
pair
of
decorative
wood
doors
front
entry
instead
of
multi-light
french
doors,
as
previously
previously
approved
and
construction
of
a
new
section
of
concrete
retaining
wall
and
brick
patio
adjacent
to
the
rear
elevation.
I
All
work
will
be
in
accordance
with
attached
drawings
and
plans.
All
permits,
variances
or
approvals,
as
required
by
law,
must
be
obtained
before
any
work
commits
two
that
the
standards
for
carriage
houses,
garages
and
accessory
structures
found
on
pages,
34-35
fences
and
walls.
On
pages
36-37
and
landscaping
entries
on
pages
40-41
of
the
montford
historic
district
design,
review
standards
adopted
april
14,
2010
and
amended
december
9.
I
The
new
section
of
retaining
wall
is
concrete
and
is
cited
in
a
location
that
is
compatible
with
the
traditional
historic
relationship
of
walls
to
historic
properties.
In
the
district
c,
new
area,
brick
papers
is
compatible
with
the
neighborhood
immaterial
and
scale
number
four,
that
the
action
and
improvements
proposed
in
the
application
before
us
for
a
certificate
of
appropriateness
are
congruence
with
the
special
historic
character
of
the
montford
historic
district.
B
G
D
L
B
Okay,
moving
on
to
the
next
item
on
our
agenda
alex:
do
we
have
our
applicants
here?
We've
been
going
kind
of
fast,
so
hopefully
they.
B
So
we're
gonna
be
moving
to
101
santee
street
in
montford,
alex
before
we
get
to
your
report.
I
think
we
need
to
do
a
swearing
in
with
yakub
before
we
get
started.
So
let's
do
correct.
Okay,.
B
K
B
Right
yeah,
I'm
gonna
read
the
oath
and
then
I
will
ask
you
to
affirm.
Okay,
do
you
solemnly
swear
or
affirm
that
the
information
you
present
during
the
hearing
for
a
certificate
of
appropriateness
before
the
historic
resources
commission
shall
be
the
truth,
the
whole
truth
and
nothing?
But
the
truth?
Do
you.
K
A
Thank
you
so
this
product,
this
application,
is
for
construction
of
a
new
two
story:
2
360
square
foot,
primary
structure
on
cnt
street
santee
is
kind
of
it's,
the
basically
the
northern
boundary
of
the
historic
district,
and
so
the
the
south
side
of
the
street
is
within
the
district
and
the
north
side.
It's
not
it's
kind
of
a
funky
little
street.
A
I
should
have
probably
put
this
slide
first,
but
just
to
give
you
a
little
bit
of
context
of
what
this
street
looks
like
there's
most
of
house
is
actually
addressed
on
montford.
So
all
of
these
structures
that
are
shown
to
the
right
of
this
big
blue
structure,
those
are
all
new
construction
houses.
A
So
there's
not
really
a
ton
of
you
know
historic
context
on
the
street
itself,
so
the
site
plan
is
shown
on
top
right.
I
noted
in
I
changed
my
stack
report
a
little
bit
based
on
some
of
the
revisions
that
I've
received
since
the
since
the
application
was
first
submitted.
A
So
I'm
not
noting
any
concerns
with
this
application.
These
are
the
elevation
drawings.
I
initially
had
some
concerns
about
the
fenestration
on
the
east
elevation.
There
was
there
were
a
pair
of
little
casement
windows
up
here
and
they
were
kind
of
looked
pretty
odd
to
me.
A
That
was
kind
of
the
main
thing
on
the
house.
Really
yakub
has
been
through
our
review
process
many
times
and
is
always
very
they're,
always
very
responsive
to
my
feedback,
so
they
pretty
much
fixed
all
the
little
loose
ends
that
I
had
on
my
list
before
before
they
sent
the
revisions
back.
So
I'm
not
noting
any
any
concerns
really
with
the
design
itself,
the
lot's
pretty
small.
A
But
again,
if
you,
if
you
made
the
site
visit,
this
house
is
a
little
bit
more
scaled,
more
mod
moderately
in
terms
of
like
story
and
a
half,
but
it's
right
on
the
street
also,
and
this
house
actually
on
the
right
sits
way
up
high
off
the
ground
and
it
wasn't.
This
was
approved
by
the
commission
about
10
years
ago,
so
I
feel
like
there's.
A
Here's
the
storyboard
just
to
give
you
an
idea
of
what
it's
going
to
look
like
and
in
the
field.
The
other
thing
I
had
noted
was
the
walkway
was
initially
proposed
at
five
feet
wide
and
what
I
suggested
was
that
they
narrow
it
to
four
feet
going
up
until
they
get
up
to
the
landing
and
then
binding
it
so
that
it
kind
of
appears
less
monolithic
coming
from
the
street.
A
So
that's
really
it.
Besides.
The
mechanical
unit
specifications
which
we
understand
is
not
they
don't
have
at
this
point
in
time.
That's
really
the
only
thing.
I've
noted
that
we,
you
know,
will
need
down
the
road.
So
I
I
don't
know
we
can
ask
yahoo,
but
I
wonder
if
they
might
want
to
just.
A
A
I
should
know
also
that
the
retaining
wall
in
the
rear
yard
also
changed
based
on
my
feedback,
we've
had
some
requests
for
these
kind
of
large
boulder
walls
in
the
district,
but
I
they're
not
really
characteristic
of
or
they're,
not
really
consistent
with
historic
character
of
motford.
A
I
think
they
fit
more
within
this
kind
of
you
know:
newer
mountain
landscape
design
that
we
see
in
a
lot
of
places,
so
I
recommended
that
they
change
it
to
a
stone
wall
that
was
more
consistent
with
other
walls
found
in
the
district
which
they
did
so
that's
in
the
packet.
Also,
if
you
want
to
look
at
it
so
so
again,
they've
addressed
really
all
of
the
the
concerns
that
I
noted.
I
I
Parallel
with
the
neighbor
to
the
east
on
that
line,
yeah
about
not
even
as
deep
as
the
tree.
That's
shown.
The
second
tree
shown
on
this
slide
and
it's
a
a
nice
size,
not
too
old,
not
too
young
tree
is
there?
Was
there
any?
A
Well,
I
don't
think
that
they
have
room
from
a
separate
sep
setback
standpoint
to
move
the
house
really,
but-
and
I
you
know
I
I
was
under
the
impression
that
there
was
only
the
one
tree.
That's
noted
on
the
site
plan,
which
is,
I
thought,
the
big
tree.
That's
kind
of
it
looks
like
it's
in
the
middle
of
the
lot
when
you
go
out
there,
but
I
think
it's
really
like
it's.
I
Probably
inside
yeah
it's
at
the
corner
that
porch
probably
is
where
it
hits
the
the
west
corner.
A
K
It's
just
and
no
it
just
was
one
tree
and
it's
kind
of
a
double
tree,
and
but
it's
it's
only
one
and
it
is
in
the
middle,
more
or
less
of
a
lot,
and
it's,
I
guess,
yeah
in
that
porch
area.
We
would
essentially
not-
and
even
if
we
didn't
have
the
porch,
it
would
still
be
right
on
the
edge
of
the
the
main
house
roof
and
we
did
consider
trying
to
save
it.
But
there
was
no
little
to
an
easy
way
of
doing
that.
K
Yes,
it's
too
close
the
corner
to
that
west
corner
of
the
property,
maybe
would
be
a
chance,
but
it's
right
in
the
middle.
Unfortunately,.
B
Yakub
is
there
anything
else
that
you
would
like
us
to
consider
that
alex
hasn't
already
noted.
K
Not
really
I
mean
yeah,
there's
I
mean
it's,
it's
a
simple
design
and-
and
it's
you
know
the
cycle
is
pretty
self-explanatory.
I
think
the
only
concern
we
had,
which
was
the
street
parking
but
looks
like
we
should.
We
should
be
able
to
you,
know
to
to
do
just
street
parking,
and
that
was
the
only
the
difficulty
in
the
in
the
in
the
design
of
and
and
that's
sort
of
resolved.
So
I
don't.
I
don't
really
have
any
other
concerns
at
this
point.
B
B
C
Chair,
yes,
based
upon
the
evidence
presented
to
this
commission,
including
exhibit
a
application
and
project
description.
Three
pages
exhibit
b
new
construction,
worksheet,
four
pages,
exhibit
c
plans
and
drawings.
Six
pages
exhibit
d
streetscape,
rendering
two
pages
exhibit
e
trash
enclosure,
image
exhibit
f
material
specifications.
Five
pages
exhibit
g,
revised,
exterior
finished
specifications
received
march
3rd
2022,
exhibit
h,
revise
drawings
and
plans.
C
Shingle
roof
in
charcoal
color
windows
will
be
black
winsor
pinnacle
aluminum,
clad
one
over
one.
Double
hung
and
single
light.
Casements
doors
will
be
simpson
craftsman.
Three
light
over
wood
panel
with
transoms
above
front
entry
will
be
set
within
a
covered
front.
Porch
wrapping
around
the
northwest
building
corner
porch
with
wood
will
porch
will
have
wood
railing
with
two
inch
by
two
inch:
pickets,
spaced,
four
inches
on
center
wood
tongue
and
groove
flooring,
steps
and
six
by
six
inch
mira,
tech,
wrapped
posts.
C
C
Four
foot
wide,
concrete,
walkway
in
front
of
front
in
front
yard,
with
two
inch
diameter
black
metal
handrail
along
west
side,
connecting
from
street
to
a
six
foot
wide
concrete
landing
at
entry
stair
and
a
dark
colored
pea,
gravel
walkway
with
metal,
edging
connecting
to
a
six
foot
long
by
three
foot
wide
by
five
foot
tall
painted
wood,
trash
enclosure
adjacent
to
the
southeast
building
corner
construct
a
22
foot,
long
section
of
four
foot
tall
sami
retaining
wall
with
stone,
veneer,
retaining
wall
adjacent
to
southwest
building
corner
foundation.
Plantings
will
be
installed.
C
C
All
work,
all
permits,
variances
or
approvals,
as
required
by
law,
must
be
obtained
before
work
can
commence,
may
commence
two
that
the
standards
for
new
construction,
primary
structures
found
on
pages
92-93
walkways
driveways
and
off-street
parking
on
pages,
50-51,
landscaping
and
trees
on
pages
40-41,
fences
and
walls
on
pages,
36-70,
decks
on
pages,
38-39
utilities,
mechanical
systems,
on
pages,
82-83
lighting
on
pages,
42-43
and
archaeology.
On
pages
32-33
in
the
montford
historic
district
design
review
standards
adopted
on
april
14,
2010
and
amended
december
9th
2019
were
used
to
evaluate
this
request.
C
Three,
the
application
does
meet
the
design
standards
for
the
following
reasons.
A
new
primary
structure
is
cited,
so
that
is
similar
to
the
store
pattern
in
terms
of
orientation
setback,
retention
of
green
space
and
spacing
between
structures
b.
New
primary
structure
is
designed.
So
that
the
overall
character
of
the
adjacent,
streetscape
and
building
site
is
maintained,
c,
new
primary
structures
compatible
in
height,
roof
form,
scale,
massing
footprint,
material,
detail,
fenestration
and
proportion
with
surrounding
historic
buildings
and
other
historic
buildings
in
the
district
d,
location
and
size
of
window
and
door.
C
Openings
are
compatible
in
placement
orientation.
Spacing
proportion,
size
and
scale
with
surrounding
historic
buildings.
E
materials
and
finishes
are
typical
of
those
found
in
the
district
f.
New
walkway
and
paved
areas
will
be
compatible
with
the
site
and
distinct
in
terms
of
dimension
configuration
materials,
color
and
texture.
B
G
B
A
Do
you
think
your
client
would
prefer
to
just
submit
that
later
as
a
minor
work,
and
it
really
doesn't
matter?
I
guess
we
can
just
add
it
as
a
condition
now
and
then.
H
J
K
I
mean
just
having
some
history
with
the
builder.
I
know
that
that's
gonna
be
known
until.
A
K
Yeah
I
can
I
can,
I
can
get
specifications
for
for
now
and
if
they
change
in
the
future,
for
any
reason,
we
can
always
apply
for
for
a
adjustment.
D
G
G
B
That
concludes
our
applications
for
this
agenda
alex.
It
looks
like
we
have
a
couple
of
other
things
to
talk
about.
We
do.
I
feel.
A
B
That
was
fast,
that
was
pretty
fast,
but
I
don't
think
we
needed
to
talk
anymore
about.
A
Those
things
no,
I
agree.
I
was
hoping
that
it
would
be
a
speedy
meeting
for
everyone,
so
all
right.
So
the
first
item
in
other
businesses
walton
street
park.
As
I
noted
in
an
email
to
all
of
you,
we
received
a
pre,
a
pre-application
for
landmark
designation
for
the
walton
street
pool,
and
hopefully
you
had
a
chance
to
look
over
that.
It's
just
you
know.
Pre-Application
is
really
an
opportunity
for
the
commission
to
vet
and
vet
a
landmark
and
its
potential
eligibility
so
that
you
know
typically
we're
getting
like.
A
You
know
a
pre-op,
a
pre-application
from
you
know,
someone
who
hasn't
completed
a
landmark
designation
report
and
is
maybe
considering
hiring
a
hiring
consultant
to
do
so,
which
has
a
price
tag
attached
to
it.
So
we've
tried
to
you
know,
offer
this
kind
of
as
a
service
on
the
front
end
to
help
help
people
understand
whether
or
not
we
think
it's
likely
that
landmark
designation
is
even
a
possibility
before
they
go
to
that
expense.
A
But
in
any
case
I
met
on
site
with
a
few
of
the
commissioners.
Last
week,
commissioner
hornaday
and
commissioner
oliva
and
commissioner
vaughn
were
there
to
meet
on
site.
So
I
really
am
just
going
to
let
you
guys
lead
the
discussion
and-
and
I
just
wanted
to
throw
out
there-
that
we
know
that
the
applicant
preservation
society
with
jesse
ward
who's,
the
consultant
on
their
behalf,
who
submitted
the
application.
They
will
be
submitting
a
designation
report
either
way.
A
I
In
on
yeah,
when
we
went
to
the
walton
pool
or
riverview
park,
it
was,
it
was
really
clear
that
it
it's
pretty
intact
everything
there.
Wouldn't
you
say
alex
that
the
all
the
tile
is
there,
it's
it's.
It
checks
all
the
criteria
of
significance,
except
for
an
association
with
a
person
significant,
except
for
it's
a
person's
in
our
local
history.
I
thought
it
checked
all
the
boxes
for
criteria
for
significance
and
aspects
of
integrity.
That
was
my
takeaway
is
that
what
you're
asking
for
alex.
I
I
could
read
it
out
loud
if
that
helps
you
know,
association
with
events
that
contributed
significantly
to
the
history
of
asheville
or
the
county,
associate
the
life
of
a
person
significant
to
our
local
history.
But
this
might
be
lives.
I
It
embodied
the
distinctive
characteristics
of
a
type
and
period
and
method
of
construction
represents
the
high
artistic
values
of
the
work
which
I
think
in
the
interior.
Tile
work
is
pretty
wonderful
and
there's
a
drop
down
ceiling
there.
That
kind
of
could
either
be
showing
a
raftered
roof
structure
or
it
may
have
had
a
covering
on
it,
I'm
not
sure,
but
it's
it
yields
important
historical
information
about
the
area
and
when
it
was
built
and
how
it
was
built
and
why
it
was
built.
A
It
only
has
to
it
only
has
to
have
meet
one,
and,
in
my
opinion,
the
only
one
it
really
needs
is
the
first
one
which
is
association
with
the
events
that
have
contributed
significantly
to
the
history
of
asheville
or
falcon
county.
The
other
ones
I
feel
like
are
more
related
to
the
the
next
two.
I
you
know
that's
more
like,
like,
like
richard
sharp
smith's
house
that
he
built
for
himself.
You
know
what
I
mean.
A
Kind
of
the
the
the
works
progress
piece
of
it
as
well,
as
you
know,
kind
of
recreational
public
facilities
in
general
that
were
part
of
african-american
communities
in
that
era.
That
era,
but
in
any
case
I'm
just
clarifying
for
you
guys,
because
we
don't
have
the
report
yet
so
once
we
have
the
report,
then
that
will
illustrate
you
know
all
the
different
facets
of
what's
important
historically
about
this
place.
A
But
then
it
has
so
it's
like
has
to
meet
one
of
those
and
then
it
has
to
also
have
in
integrity,
which
is
if
it
is
able
to
convey
its
significance
to
the
observer,
which
I
think
clearly
it
does.
As
well
pointed
out.
The
original
features
have
been
little
modified,
so.
I
And
just
that
the
when
you
compare
it
to
other
public
swimming
pools
and
pool
or
pool
houses
in
the
city,
it's
a
lot
more
modest
and
it
was
you
know
it's
the
reality
of
what
happened
at
that
time
in
in
asheville.
I
believe
and
it's
sort
of-
and
I
think
that's
what's
sort
of
important
to
to
show
and
remember
and
appreciate,
and
that's
the
design,
the
setting
and
the
workmanship
and
the
materials
we're
all.
I
Not
not.
As
you
know,
it's
not
like
melbourne
hills,
swimming
pool
at
all.
So
that's
what
I
think
it's
important
just
for
its
use
of
materials
and
that
it's
a
survivor
anyway.
E
Yeah,
I
I
agree
with
what
everything
that
you
guys
have
said.
I
it
also
just
felt
like
such
a
an
anchor
in
the
neighborhood,
like
all
these
generations
of
people
that
grew
up
there,
that
I'm
sure
that
was
part
of
their
life.
I
think
that's
important
for
the
the
community
to
have
that
live
on
in
another
way.
F
I'm
glad
you
brought
that
up,
commissioner,
all
about
because
there
is
also
another
challenge
to
this,
because
I
look
at
it
from
the
other
end
as
far
as
what
happens
after
designation,
because
you
have
this
a
pool,
a
set
of
showers
and
bathrooms
in
a
in
a
neighborhood
park
that
will,
if
we
preserve
them,
will
still
no
longer
be
able
to
be
used
as
a
swimming
pool,
definitely
not
used
as
showers.
It
may
not
be
able
to
be
used
as
as
as
a
restroom,
depending
on
how
it's
it's
reused,
so
you
have
to
reuse.
F
You
know
aspect
of
this
to
consider
and,
as
is
noted,
that
we
want
the
neighborhood
to
weigh
in
that
said,
I
agree
in
preserving
it.
I
think
we
need
to
be
mindful
and
sensitive
about
talking
to
the
neighborhood
community,
and
I
know
we
talked
about
that
but
being
more
proactive
and
offering
suggestions
on
how
it
could
be
maintained,
reused
repurposed.
What
have
you
so
that
the
community
feels
like
this
was
an
act
of
historic
preservation
done
with
them
not
done
to
them?
F
That's
an
expression
that
was
used
by
some
people
who
were
on
the
site,
and
you
know
so.
I
think
we
have
some
unique
challenges
here
and
I
think
we
I
heard
from
a
number
of
people
on
other
projects
where
they
felt
like
people.
They
said
they'd,
listen
to
them,
but
they
didn't
acknowledge
their
concerns,
and
so
I
I
just
think
that
we
should
offer
up
some
alternatives,
because
not
everyone
is
a
designer
if
everyone
could
be
strategic
or
have
vision
to
see
how
something
could
be
used.
F
We
wouldn't
need
landscape,
designers,
interior
designer
set
designers
or
even
architects.
You
know
so
I
I
think
it
it.
We
should
be
encouraged
to
make
some
examples,
not
prescriptive,
but
some
visionary
examples
of
the
ways
these
of
these
the
pool
and
the
and
the
the
changing
room
shower
rooms
could
be
used.
Potentially
because
remember
the
city
is
going
to
own
this
building.
It
is
a
park.
I
thought
about
this
later,
how
what
are
they
going
to
do
for
restrooms
for
the
rest
of
the
park?
F
If
they're
going
to
keep
this
as
a
restroom,
how
does
that
play
into
what
kind
of
designation
it
gets
and
how
it's
used?
So
it
raised
a
lot
of
questions
after
the
fact
I
agree
with
what's
been
said,
but
I
do
think
we
have
an
obligation
to
think
about
the
community
and
how
these
these,
this
landmark
and
and
assets,
can
be
used
going
forward
and
still
be
an
asset
to
the
community.
A
The
I
will
just
point
out
that
the
city
as
owner
of
the
property
would
have
to
agree
to
the
interior
features
being
designated,
and
I
can
see
how
parks
or
the
city
may
not
want
to
do
that,
and
I
and
I
don't
think
that
that's
a
con.
I
think
that
that's
that's
normal
for
a
lot
of
landmark
properties.
A
In
fact,
not
that
the
interior
isn't
important
and
and
it
would,
it
could
possibly
be
that,
like
you
know,
only
that
the
tile
is
is
is
pointed
out
in
the
designation
ordinance
as
far
as,
what's
what's
historically
significant
or
important
to
maintain
on
the
inside,
we
have
a
lot
of
unknowns,
but
but
we
will
be
engaging
the
community
with
parks
in
the
near
future
on
there,
for
those
who
may
not
have
been
here
at
the
last
meeting,
parks
is
about
to
start
engaging
the
community
on.
A
They
have
five
hundred
thousand
dollars
to
make
improvements
to
other
parts
of
the
of
the
site.
So
it
may
look
like
that
new
basketball
court
or
the
picnic
shelter
we
know
is-
is
very
heavily
used
as
a
gathering
place.
A
I've
heard
that
there
are
is
interest
in
having
a
walking
trail
in
the
park,
so
the
so
that
500
000
has
been
allocated
by
council
and
parks,
budget
and
so
they're
about
to
start
engaging
the
community
about
how
the
what
the,
what
the
the
money
should
be
used
for,
not
including
the
historic
piece,
because
we
just
don't
know
that
yet
right
so,
but
we're
using
it
as
an
opportunity
to
to
plug
in
with
their
engagement
with
the
neighborhood,
to
ask
the
questions
that
we
need
to
ask
them,
and
our
some
of
the
staff
from
our
urban
design
division
are
helping
me
put
together
some
examples
of
adaptive,
reuse
of
other
pools
and
kind
of
helping
people
get
their
wheels.
A
L
A
Do
you
want
to
have
some
some
vision,
some
visual
aids,
to
help
to
help
them
kind
of
get
get
their
minds
going,
and
then
what
I
could
see
next
is
that
we
that
we
down
the
road
contract
with
the
consultant
to
help
us
see
what
that
what
the
community
really
wants
there.
You
know,
I
think,
that's
a
step
beyond
that.
A
We
really
need
to
that
someone,
the
city
and
a
consultant
really
would
need
to
work
closely
with
the
neighborhood
on,
so
it
ends
up,
resulting
in
a
in
a
use
that
is
meaningful
to
them
that
they
can
interact
with
that.
You
know
that
does
highlight
the
you
know,
importance
of
the
place
and
the
history
of
it,
but
allows
them
to
use
it
as
a
functional
space.
However,
that
makes
sense
to
them.
So,
yes,
that
is
definitely
one
of
the
hardest
parts
of
the
communication
around.
A
This
is
making
sure
that
people
don't
see
it
as
like
a
static
thing.
As
far
as
any
historic
designation,
I
certainly
had
to
do
a
lot
of
I
don't
know.
If
educating
is
the
right
word
talking
or
talking
people
around
to
that
point
internally,
you
know
because
I
think
there
were
definitely
some
fears
internally
about
that
too.
But
I,
as
I
point
out
all
the
time
like
adaptive,
reuse,
is
definitely
one
of
the
ways
that
things
get
preserved.
A
You
know
it's
a
it's
a
common
thing
and
it's
just
different
because
it's
a
pool
you
know-
and
I
could
see
how
many
you
know
I
I
could
see
how
you
know
the
the
building
itself
is
a
is
obviously
a
good
place
to
have
public
restroom
facility.
A
I
A
A
I
thought
we
might
have
it
by
now,
but
we
don't
but
we'll
go
into
the
community
twice
in
in
march
and
april
to
engage
the
community
and
that
will
probably
look
a
lot
like
me,
standing
in
the
park
with
some
visual
aids
and
I'm
going
to
do
we're
going
to
do
a
like
a
tablet
based
survey
like
a
google
form,
probably
for
anybody
that
visits
us
that
wants
to
fill
out
the
form
that
way,
but
then
we'll
also
have
paper
forms,
because
I
want
to
be
able
to
come
back
to
you
guys
with
you
know,
concrete
feedback
on
what
we
heard
and
what
we
didn't
hear
and
then
and
then,
once
you
guys
have
reviewed
the
report
and
it's
you
feel
like
it's
good
to
go,
doesn't
need
any
revisions,
then
you
we
send
it
off
to
the
state
historic
preservation
office.
A
They
have
30
days
to
review
and
comment
and
then
once
we
get
it
back
to
them,
we
schedule
it
for
public
hearing
before
you
guys
where
you
we
actually
have
a
public
hearing
where
you
can
accept
public
comment
outside
of
the
engagement
that
we
do
and
then
you'll
make
your
formal
recommendation
at
that
meeting
and
then
once
that's
happened,
we'll
schedule
it
for
city
council
and
then
I
will
present
to
city
council
and
they'll
make
the
final
decision.
So
it's
it's
a
pretty
protracted
process.
It's
you
know.
A
I
don't
expect
that
we'll
I
mean
I
guess
ballpark.
Maybe
this
would
be
before
you
to
go
to
shippo
may
may
probably
and
then
city
council
later
in
the
summer.
Something
like
that.
So
does
that
help
answer
what
you're
asking
me
well
in
terms
of
next
steps.
I
Yeah
yeah,
I
saw
the
flowchart.
I
was
just
making
sure
that
we're
just
discussing
the
validity
of
the
criteria
to
move
forward.
We
don't
it's
not
in
our
purview
for
use,
use,
correct.
A
A
I
mean
I
think
it's
I
mean.
I
think
it's
obviously
to
remain
to
the
conversation,
because
I
think
you
know
you
all
understand
you
know
as
as
citizens
that
you
don't
what
that
you
want
to
make
sure
that
people
know
that
that
you
know
adaptive
reuse
is
what
you
know
what
we
envision,
but
yeah.
It's
not
not
something
that
that
this
commission
has
any
authority
over
in
terms
of
how
it
gets
used,
except
with
the
exception
of
the
fact
that,
if
it
is
a
landmark
you
know,
any
changes
will
come
back
to
you.
A
If
they're,
you
know
significant
changes
like
let's
say
the
community
wants
to
build
a
garden
inside
the
pool
that
would
come
back
to
you
guys
for
a
year,
so
you
would
kind
of
have
a
little
bit
of
a
say
in
terms
of
the
use
in
a
way.
F
C
It
well
say
that
start
that
again
we
have
an
education
component
as
part
of
our
role
with
historic
preservation,
commissioners,
and
so
there,
if
there's
ways
that
we
could
be
of
service
or
help
outreach
or
just
be
there
to
back
you
up,
alex
while
you're
out
there
with
your
poster
boards
and
talk.
You
know
just.
I
guess
that
that
was
the
one
thing
that
comes
up
to
my
mind
is
within
our
role
aside
from
just
being
citizens,
we
could
be
helpful
too.
A
Okay,
thank
you,
yeah
I'll
I'll.
Keep
you
guys
posted,
we
don't
have
a.
We
did
have
a
roughed
out
calendar,
but
I
feel
like
it's
probably
going
to
be
delayed.
I
don't
I
wasn't.
Parks
was
planning
on
the
engagement
and
it
was
a
pretty
ambitious
timeline.
So
we're.
G
B
The
goals
of
the
of
this
sort
of
upfront
community
engagement
is
to
this
is
a
question,
inform
the
community
of
what
this
process
is
and
what
the
ask
is
and
to
gauge
gauge
the
consensus
of
the
community
in
terms
of
their
desire
to
have
this
process
move
forward,
or
is
it
more
around?
A
B
A
A
However,
we
based
on
the
engagement
that
we
did
with
the
community,
we
understand
from
them
that
there
is
concern
around
landmark,
designation
and
the
implications
or
or
we
did
community
engagement
and
we
felt
like
the
community
was
in
support
of
the
designation
or
we
did
not
get
enough
feedback
and
was
unclear
to
us
whether
they
supported
the
designation
and
then
the
city
council
meeting
is
the
opportunity
for
the
public
to
come.
A
Comment
in
person
to
the
council,
so
this
is
just
making
sure
that
well
me
as
a
preservation
planner,
I
don't.
I
don't
want
to
come
to
you
guys
without
that
information.
Nor
do
I
want
to
go
to
city
council,
I
feel
like
they
would.
They
would
be
like
why.
A
So
that's
what
we're
doing
and,
of
course
that's
it's.
It's
super
important
to
the
whole
process,
but
and
and
obviously
it's
kind
of
like
when
someone
says
to
the
commission
that
oh
wood
windows
are
so
much
more
expensive,
you
know,
or
this
cost
this
cost
of
this
project
is
so
high.
A
You
can't
consider
that
information,
but
you're
human
beings,
and
it's
not
wrong
to
include
it
obviously
as
part
of
the
conversation,
especially
for
something
as
important
as
this,
and
I
I
know
that
everyone
here
wants
to
be
culturally
sensitive
like
while
we're
saying
that
we
think
this
place
is
important
and
certainly
worthy
of
designation.
A
J
A
It
to
be
a
partnership
with
the
community,
you
know,
I
see
this
as
a,
and
maybe
this
is
I
was.
I
was
joking
with
the
shippo
staff
on
the
site
about
this.
I
was
like
this
is
kind
of
why
I
got
in
historic
preservation
in
the
first
place,
and
maybe
it's
a
little
naive,
but
I
do
see
this
as
an
opportunity,
maybe
for
some
healing
within
the
community,
if
there's
a
way
that
we
can
really
elevate
and
honor
this
special
place
so.
B
Well,
in
the
context
around
adaptive,
reuse
and
what
happens
to
the
property
forward,
moving
forward
is
really
a
twofold
question:
it
can
happen
it
something
needs
to
happen
to
the
property
with
or
without
a
designation
right.
It
should
never
just
sit
there
right
and
that's
I
mean
with
green
mossy
water
right.
A
G
A
It
has
been
determined
eligible,
we'll
get
to
that
down
the
road
we
just
haven't
done
it
yet
because
the
pandemic
inserted
itself
and
it's
just
kind
of
like
not
enough
hours
in
the
day
for
all
the
things,
but
but
then
it
will
be
eligible
for
grant
funding
and
there
are
also
multiple
opportunities
at
the
national
trust
offers
for
projects
around
african
american
history,
but
also
some
brick
and
mortar
projects.
A
You
know
I
can
see
where
we
where
we
would
be
able
to
kind
of
position
ourselves
to
apply
for
grant
funding,
and
in
that
way
it's
a
good
way.
Good
thing.
That
kind
of
I've
been
inserted
into
all
of
this
because
I
feel
like
I
can
help
move
that
piece
along,
whereas
parks
may
not
have
capacity
around
that.
So.
I
Alex
can
we
also
mail
ahead
of
our
final
review
of
final
report
and
public
hearing
a
letter
notifying
neighbors
yeah
a
day
weekend
thing
where
somebody
might
not
be
there
just
make
sure
that
avery
does
something.
H
A
A
Hustling
for
us
yeah
we
can,
and
the
other
thing
that
we
have,
that
we'll
be
doing,
is
sending
a
mailer
out,
but
it's
for
for
the
community
events
and
it
will
have
a
qr
code
that
leads
to
our
prop,
like
we
have
a
project
page
for
this
for
the
landmark
piece.
It's
not
really
a
project,
but
we
needed
somewhere
to
share
information
on
our
website.
So.
I
I
want
to
make
sure
that
the
that
it's
not
just
coming
to
the
park
to
give
their
that
their
input
that
they
are
recorded
in
the
public
hearing
the
final
review
public
hearing
that
they
are
notified.
Is
there,
like
you,
send
letters
for
a
demolition
or
something
within
200
feet?
Is
there
a
letter
thing?
Even
you
know
letters
that
can
go
to
the
immediate
community.
B
E
A
Yeah,
so
this
is
the
time
when
we
start
thinking
about
the
hrc.
J
A
So
we,
if
you'll,
need
to
submit
your
nominations
sometime
before
the
before
the
april
meeting
would
be
helpful
so
that
we
can
talk
about
them
if
there's
more
than
one
next
month
and
then
the
may
meeting
is
when
well,
I
could
be
wrong,
maybe
it's
april
meeting
when
you
guys
make
your
event.
G
L
A
It
off,
but
we
also
need
to
start
talking
about
nominating
committee
for
upcoming
fiscal
year
change.
Let
me
pull
up
the
bylaws
real,
quick.
F
Alex
while
you're
doing
that,
if
I
clarify
don't,
we
normally
announce
this
as
part
of
may
preservation
month
so
april
would
be
when
we
need
to
designate
unless
we
have
a
meeting
soon
enough
may
will
you
may
know
better
about
what
some
of
those
deadlines
are
going
to
be?
I
don't
know
if
they're
doing
the
griffin
awards
live
again,
but
that's
where
we
had
in
the
past
announced
it
so.
A
They're
they're
going
to
be
on
the
24th,
I
believe
so
it
can.
It
can
be
either
I
mean
if
we
would
have
time
to
get
the
actual
award
made
in
may.
If
we
needed
more
time.
They're
sorry
they're,
the
26th,
the
griffin
awards
are
on
the
26th.
A
And
real
quick,
while
I'm
looking
this
up,
I
would
like
to
even
though
we're
not
able
to
meet
in
person,
we
may
be
able
to
carve
out
some
time
to
start
meeting
virtually
for
a
subcommittee,
and
I
know
we
have
some
new
people
that
weren't
here
before
the
pandemic,
we
had
formed
a
new
subcommittee
called
the
landmarks
education
and
outreach
subcommittee.
A
I
believe,
and
that
group
had
started
the
ball
rolling
on
trying
to
get
coordinate
with
the
preservation
society,
an
event
for
preservation
month
with
which
is
may
and
then
the
pandemic
struck
and
all
the
momentum
we
had
with
that
subcommittee
got
stalled
out,
so
just
be
thinking
about.
If
you
feel
like
you
have
time
to
designate
to
that
or
have
interest,
I
would
just
ask
that
we
keep
the
group
to
five
or
fewer
people
so
that
we
don't
have
to
worry
about
the
issue
of
quorum
when
you
guys
meet.
A
So
the
it's
landmarks,
education
and
outreach,
so
you're,
basically
looking
at
landmark
study
list-
or
you
know
you
would
be
the
group
that
would
go
out
to
the
like.
You
would
have
made
the
site
visit
for
this.
If
you
were
on
that
subcommittee,
once
we
formalized
the
subcommittee
and
then
you
will
be
working
on
any
kind
of
education
and
outreach,
which
looks
like
mostly
like
you
guys
doing
some
event
planning
the
I
know
gail
was
on
the
meeting
with
I
believe
it
was
emily
spring.
J
A
If
that
makes
sense,
and
that
can
look
like
whatever
you
guys
want
it
to
look
like,
like
that's
the
point
of
the
subcommittee,
is
the
subcommittee
comes
up
with
ideas
that
they
can?
You
know,
help
facilitate
versus.
Like
me
like
I,
you
know
it
would
really
be
the
subcommittee
that
needs
to
do
most
of
the
legwork,
and
then
I
could
you
know
I
can
help
coordinate
as
needed,
but
but
that
was
the
way
that
the
subcommittee
was
set
up
before.
A
I
do
feel
like
it's
really
important
at
this
juncture,
to
get
back
on
the
landmarks
piece
of
that
too
many
years
ago,
when
I
first
started,
we
have
two
subcommittees
in
addition
to
the
executive
committee,
which
is
are
all
the
officers
we
had
two
subcommittees
and
it
was
a
lot
to
coordinate.
We
had
a
landmark
subcommittee
and
we
had
an
education
outreach
committee
and
it
was
a
lot
of
work
and
it
seemed
to
make
more
sense
to
condense
them
down
into
the
executive
committee
which
we
did.
A
But
then
we
found
that
to
not
be
successful
either
because
the
executive
committee
had
other
stuff
to
talk
about
in
their
meetings
versus
doing
any
like
special
events
or
projects
of
that
kind.
So
we
decided
to
kind
of
break
it
out
again.
So.
A
Kind
of
I
think
that
the
subcommittee
thinking
creatively
about
any
any
ways
that
they
that
we
can
do
education
and
outreach
in
the
community
and
then
the
landmarks
piece
is
important
because
our
we
really
need
to
update
a
study
list.
A
A
study
list
is,
is
I
don't
think
that
the
study
list
has
been
updated
since
before
I
started
here,
which
was
over
seven
years
ago?
So
so
definitely
some
plenty
of
work
to
be
done.
If
anybody
wants
to
join
join
a
subcommittee
in
the
near
future,
so
so
just
we
can.
You
can
just
let
me
know
via
email.
A
A
So
I
believe
that
I
don't
know
why
I'm
looking
at
the
bylaws
for
the
award-
I
know
that's
not
in
here
so
if
you
guys
can
just
be
thinking
about
that
and
then
be
prepared
to
share
any
information
about
who
you
want
to
nominate
before
the
april
meeting,
then
I
can
share
that
information
out
with
everyone
and-
and
we
can
talk
about
it
at
the
april
meeting
and
take
a
vote
then
and
then,
if
we
need
more
time,
we
can
take
the
vote
in
may
and
I
will
send
out
the
sign
at
the
hrc
award
like
description
so
that
sorry,
I
lost
my
earphone
so
that
everyone
can
have
that
in
front
of
them
too.
A
Okay,
so
the
chair
shall
appoint
a
nominating
committee
on
or
before
the
regular
march
meeting.
So
I
don't
know
if
there's
a
group
that
can
can
sign
up
to
do
that
today.
So
I
think
it's
fine.
If
janice,
do
you
think
it's
okay?
If
we,
I
miss
this
deadline
on
my
calendar.
So
do
you
think
it's
okay,
if,
like
we
take
maybe
a
week
to
sort
out
the
nominating
committee
following
the
meeting.
E
A
Fine,
okay,
okay,
great
thank
you
and
just
to
clarify
for
anyone
that
wasn't
on
last
year.
The
nominating
committee
is
the
committee
that
nominates
the
new
slate
of
officers
for
the
the
next
fiscal
year,
which
will
be
begin
on
july
1.,
and
it's
pretty
typical
of
this
body
for
the
same
officers
to
carry
over
unless
someone
can't
serve
anymore
on
that
on
the
executive
committee
or
in
the
as
an
officer
or
if
they
cycle
off
the
commission
or
have
to
resign
for
some
reason.
A
B
People
do
we
typically
need
for
the
nominating
committee,
it's
usually
two
or
three
okay,
and
we
want
to
remind
everybody,
the
current
slate
of
officers,
because
I
think
some
of
the
like
the
first
and
second
and
third
chair
we
don't
or
vice
chairs.
We
don't
always
know
who
those
people
are.
A
Yes
sure
so
emily
spring
is
the
first
vice
chair.
Gail
is
the
second
vice
chair
and
then
will
is
the
third
vice
chair.
B
A
Yes,
that's
fine,
also,
okay
and
then
real
quick
before
we
go.
I
just
wanted
to
I'm
hoping
that
someday.
I
will
be
able
to
plan
a
retreat
for
you
guys.
I
know
that
I
keep
bringing
up
and
I
just
keeps
getting
way
late
by
the
all
the
million
other
things
going
on
here,
but
that
will
I
will
try
to
work
out
here
in
probably
the
next
three
or
four
months
and
I'll
get
with
you
all
on
a
date,
and
then
we
also
commissioner
falcon,
unfortunately
had
to
resign.
A
So
we
have
another,
we
haven't.
We
have
what
a
new
city
appointee
was
appointed
yesterday
to
fill
amanda
volleras
seat,
which
none
of
us
none
of
us
ever
met
her
because
she
never
came
to
the
meeting,
but
that
the
new
person
is
to
fill
her
seat
and
then
we
now
have
another
city
vacancy
for
georgie's
seat,
and
so
that
is
which
is
posted
on
the
city's
website
today.
A
So
if
you
know
of
anyone
who
might
be
a
good
fit
or
interested,
please
let
them
know
and
there's
also
a
vacant
county
seat
still
that
we've
had
lingering
for
a
very
long
time
now.
So
just
to
remind
everyone
of
those
and
that
those
are
all
the
notes
that
I
have
for
you
guys
today
and.
B
Alex
with
that
attendance
policy
thing
did
we
did
you
send
that
out
to
everybody
I
did
I
did
then
that's
we
don't
need
to
talk
about
that,
because
obviously
the
people
who
are
here
aren't
the
ones
that
need
to
read
it
as
much
as
a
lot
of
people,
but
I
mean
that's
important.
We've
struggled
in
the
last
couple
months
on
occasion
with
making
sure
we
were
going
to
give
a
quorum
and
it
being
kind
of
let
down
to
the
last
minute.
So
I
think
that's
important.