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From YouTube: Design Review Committee – September 21, 2023
Description
Regular meeting of the City of Asheville Design Review Committee.
Access the agenda and other meeting materials at the City of Asheville website: https://www.ashevillenc.gov/department/city-clerk/boards-and-commissions/design-review-committee/
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A
C
Now,
okay,
great
good
afternoon,
I'm
Jeremy
Goldstein
and
I'd
like
to
welcome
you
to
the
September
21st
design,
review
committee
meeting.
This
is
a
nine
person
committee
whose
primary
function
is
to
perform
design
review
for
projects
located
in
one
of
the
city's
three
designated
design
review
areas
downtown
the
riverfront
and
the
new
hotel
overlay
zoning
districts.
C
This
is
a
mandatory
review,
voluntary
compliance
process,
with
the
exception
for
hotels
seeking
to
skip
Council
review
hotels,
taking
advantage
of
this
incentive
must
receive
a
positive
recommendation
from
the
committee.
All
committee
members
and
staff
are
participating
in
person.
We
are
live
streaming
on
our
virtual
engagement
Hub,
which
is
accessible
through
the
virtual
engagement
Hub
link
on
the
front
page
of
the
city
website,
and
also
linked
on
the
committee
page.
You
can
walk
also
watch
the
meeting
on
the
city's
YouTube
channel
either
live
or
recorded.
C
I
will
now
take
roll
call,
Michael,
McDonald,
Brian,
Moffett.
B
C
Stephen
Lee
Johnson
here
Thomas
McLaughlin
here,
Laughlin
and
I-
am
here
that
gives
us
five.
So
we
have
a
quorum.
Yes,
sir,
everyone
else
is
absent,
but
I.
C
We
could
shame
them,
but
we're
not
we're
not
all
right
great.
We
have
a
quorum
first
item
on
the
agenda
or
next
item
on
the
agenda
would
be
approval
of
the
minutes
from
the
July,
2023
and
August
17th
meetings.
C
Okay,
we
have
a
motion
in
second,
all
those
in
favor
say
aye
aye
any
opposed.
Okay.
The
minutes
are
approved
our
first
item
for
new
business,
formal
design
review.
C
The
22
Carter
Street
item
will
be
continued
to
the
October
19
2023..
We
need
a
meeting.
My
commotion.
D
Yeah,
if
you
could
do
I,
have
a
motion
I'd
like
to
move
that
we
continue
that
meeting
to
the
October
1919
2023
designer
view
meeting.
C
Second,
okay:
we
have
a
motion
this.
Second,
all
those
in
favor
say:
aye
aye.
Any
opposed
motion
passes.
That
item
will
be
continued,
so
our
only
formal
design
review
item
today
will
be
for
27
and
22
Church
Street
Central,
United,
Methodist
Church.
It's
a
level
one
project,
a
formal
review
of
a
new
park
and
Plaza
space,
an
existing
parking
lot
on
22
Church
Street
in
modifications
to
the
Courtyard
in
front
of
the
central
United
Methodist
Church
at
27,
Church
Street.
A
So
before
I
get
started,
I'll
just
say
that
the
applicant
is
running
late.
I
would
otherwise
recommend
moving.
A
C
A
And
I'll
just
say:
even
if
the
vote
takes
place,
there
can
be
further
discussion,
and
this
is
not
a
mandatory
compliance
type
review.
So
your
the
comments
in
the
review
tonight
is
today
is
mandatory
review
about
only
the
only
voluntary
compliance.
A
A
One
is
the
church
itself
and
I'll
start
with
the
site
across
from
the
church,
which
is
an
existing
parking
lot
in
this
kind
of
Courtyard
setting
with
this
fence
around
it
and
what's
being
proposed,
there
is
to
improve
that.
It's
like
a
pocket
park
with
the
plaza
some
seating
step
down
from
the
front
and
a
water
feature
in
the
center
of
the
site.
A
new
six
foot
tall
fence
is
being
proposed
on
top
of
a
two
foot
wall,
two
foot
high
wall
along
the
front.
A
A
A
A
Let's
see
now
that
that's
kind
of
the
basic
overview,
the
overall
project
is
in
alignment
with
the
guidelines,
including
the
use
of
materials.
A
A
G
Showing
the
on
the
main
sanctuary
site
plan,
there's
like
an
elevation
with
the
building
behind
it,
so
we
can
kind
of
see
the
relationship
between.
B
G
B
A
A
Building
proposed
elevations
weren't
required
it's
more
of
a
site
plan
level
review.
It's
literally
aren't
any
like
renderings
of
the
the
fence
or
hardscaping
or
Landscaping
against
the
church
building
or
the
existing
parking
lot
as
of
today,
but
I'll.
Let
the
applicant
maybe
try
to
breathe
some
life
into
that
design
a
little
bit
for
you.
B
E
Yes,
sir
hi,
my
name
is
Matt
Fusco
landscape,
architect
from
Asheville
I'm
working
with
the
central
United
Methodist
Church
on
this
project.
The
purpose
of
the
project
on
the
sanctuary
side
is
to
enhance
the
entrance
and
also
provide
some
protection
along
Church
Street,
to
allow
for
some
separation
when
the
church
is
not
in
use
and
to
be
able
to
lock
Gates
and
close
Gates.
E
The
material
used
for
the
walls
that
we're
going
to
highlight
the
main
sanctuary
and
I
was
gonna,
pull
up
and
I'm
happy
to
provide
a
rendering
that
we've
done
for
the
church
and
I
can
send
that
in
a
separate
email.
If
you
would
like
around
the
entrance,
you
can
see
the
gray
areas
on
either
side
of
what
would
we
would
call
the
Grand
Plaza
area
they
want
to
be
able
to
hold
Services
out
there
from
time
to
time.
E
We
would
have
a
low
wall,
that's
about
18,
inches
tall,
and
then
we
would
bring
or
two
feet
tall
excuse
me
and
then
we'd
bring
it
up
with
a
metal,
decorative
fence.
That's
similar
to
what's
out
there,
there's
a
prayer
Garden!
That's
got
Custom
Fencing
on
the
south
end
of
the
site
and
we're
going
to
match
that,
so
it
would
be
in
keeping
with
the
existing
existing
metal
fences
that
are
there
and
then
just
framing
the
entrance.
We
would
have
the
seat
Wall
height
and
the
fence
mounted
to
the
top
of
that.
E
D
E
D
E
The
kit
area
on
that
side
is
I,
think
a
four
and
a
half
foot
we
did
they've
got
a
the.
H
E
That's
got
the
fellowship
hall
at
First.
Presbyterian
was
an
eight
foot
tall
fence,
a
concern
with
the
six
foot
tall
is
the
folks
can
still
climb
over
that
easily
and
with
the
eight
foot
tall
they
feel
like
that's,
going
to
be
a
more
appropriate
height
to
to
keep
folks
out
when
the
church
is
not
being
occupied.
E
Okay,
the
design
has
been
based
on
kind
of
in
keeping
with
the
European
style
of
church,
sanctuary
and
garden
areas,
and
we
typically
have
found
that
six
to
eight
feet
is
an
appropriate
height
for
that
I.
B
D
High,
the
height
of
the
the
fence,
so
you're
taking
the
little
brick
wall
down
a
little
temporary
kind
of
temporary
brake
wall.
They
put
up
on.
E
Wall
when
you're
in
the
area
itself,
there
are
existing
brick
walls
which
we
would
bring
down
to
an
18
inch
height,
and
then
we
would
cap
those
and
they
may
end
up
being
treated
with
a
paint
versus
doing
Gucci.
D
B
D
H
E
H
E
It
if.
H
E
D
D
B
F
Do
think
it
it
brings
up
a
good
point
but
Matt
just
a
couple
things
several
of
us
like
walk
by
this
every
single
day,
especially
Brian,
four
or
five
times
a
day.
So
this
is
one
of
those
sites
that
all
of
us,
including
you
know
it
really
well,
but
I
just
had
a
couple
of
comments
and
I
know.
F
Y'all
are
going
to
comment
about
scale,
but
the
first
thing,
I'm
I'm,
really
excited
that
the
Methodist
Church
is
hiring
a
professional
to
design
this,
and
the
only
thing
I
would
suggest
in
tying
in
with
what
Brian
and
Michael
have
been
mentioning.
Is
that
the
the
height
of
the
fencing
and
the
scale
it
does
seem
out
of
scale
with
Trinity,
Episcopal
and
Presbyterian
church
and
we've
been
over
there
and
looked
at
the
Trinity's
averages
about
five
feet
height
and
it's
been
really
successful
in
keeping
out
undesirable
visitors
during
the
evening.
F
So
that
would
be.
My
primary
suggestion
is
just
blending
it
with
the
scale
and
height
of
the
other
facilities
on
the
on
the
street,
and
my
the
last
comment
I
have
is
just
and
I
think
you've
done
this,
but
just
careful
attention
to
that
big
Elm.
That
is,
it
looks
like
on
the
Landscapes,
the
landscape
plan.
Maybe
there's
some
protective
love.
E
E
The
main
sanctuary
is
that
there
will
be
an
arch
gate
at
the
front
that
would
mimic
the
arch
that's
over
the
sanctuary
when
you're
facing
the
front
of
the
church
and
so
from
a
scale
standpoint
we'd
be
stepping
down
from
an
almost
25
foot
tall,
Arch
down
to
a
12
or
so
foot
arch.
That
would
then
highlight
that
entrance,
and
so
that's
the
purpose
of
of
that.
B
E
D
Driving,
what's
the
height
at
the
prayer
Garden
the
lower
interest
on
the
left
side
of
that
beside
the
two
big
Elms?
That
one
doesn't
feel
like
it's
eight.
It's.
F
D
To
me
feels
like
that's
the
current
scale
of
the
fencing
on
there.
I
think
you
want
to
be
in
keeping
with
that.
So
we'll
take
a
look
at
that
and
certainly
keep
in
mind.
Thank
you
so
so
my
my
two
comments
would
be
that
the
the
applicant
review,
whether
or
not
they're
going
to
do
the
applied
Limestone
on
the
south
side
of
Church
Street
piece
versus
keep
keeping
the
language
of
the
brick.
That's
there
now
I'm,
not
saying
you
have
to
keep
that.
D
I
B
I
Normally
respect
here
more
thorough
presentation,
what
is
going
to
happen
between
there's
about
a
four
foot
eight
inch
offset
shown
between
the
back
of
the
sidewalk
and
the
center
line
of
the
fence.
What
happens
in
that?
Four
foot.
Eight
inch,
though.
E
Where
we
were,
we
would
highlight
around
the
front
of
the
entrance
to
the
church.
There
may
be
some
segments
of
grass,
but
the
idea
is
that
we
have
a
landscape
that
continues
through
the
fence
and
into
the
church.
The
city
didn't
require
us
to
do
billing
enhancement,
landscape
per
the
project
and
the
scope,
but
the
intent
is
to
redo
the
whole
landscape
in
there
take
out
some
of
the
Hardscape
elements
and
then
on
that
edge
between
the
at
least
the
stone
wall
and
the
sidewalk.
E
Those
would
be
usually
excuse
me
they
would
be
reserved
for
say,
annuals
and
seasonal
plantings.
They
do
some
seasonal
stuff
around
the
entrance
as
you're
coming
up
the
stairs
of
the
sanctuary
now,
and
so
some
of
those
areas
would
be
highlighted.
There's
also
been
some
discussion
of
possibly
doing
some
hanging
baskets
on
the
fence.
Clearly,
we
would
have
to
be
out
of
the
right-of-way
and
obstruction
of
the
sidewalk
to
achieve
that.
But
by
having
it
offset
a
few
feet,
that's
going
to
give
us
a
little
bit
of
room
to
be
able
to
do
that.
I
So
I
I'll
amplify
some
of
the
previous
comments.
I
think
the
fence
is
Too,
Tall,
okay,
it
just
feels
very
intimidating
and
it
not
only
provides
security,
but
it
screams
security
sure
it
is.
I
Telling
everyone
this
fence
is
here
to
keep
people
out
right,
which
I
think
would
be
better
if
it
was
more
a
more
subtle
message:
okay,
when
you're
looking
at
the
plan,
if
you
don't
mind
scrolling
of
the
courtyard
in
front
of
the
main
Edge
to
the
church,
it
kind
of
flares
out,
and
then
it
hits
the
fence
and
then
there's
kind
of
this
planting
strip
it
it.
It's
feels
kind
of
weird
that
the
apron's
coming
out
to
meet
the
sidewalk.
Then
it
hits
the
wall
and
then
there's
a
planning
strip.
E
I
I
E
It's
impacted
by
the
change
in
the
materials
on
the
pavement.
It
would
be
underneath
the.
C
I
I
D
Comments
and
go
from
there,
if
that's
okay,
so
that
we
can
meet
our
Quorum
and
hit
her
I
would
like
to
move
to
recommend
approval
of
the
park
and
Plaza
space
and
Courtyard
modifications
at
22
and
27
Church
Street,
as
presented
based
on
the
site
plans,
materials
submitted,
and
discussions
heard
during
this
review.
I
find
that
the
project
meets
the.
B
D
Of
the
downtown
design
guidelines
subject
to
the
following
conditions:
one
that
the
applicant
review,
the
height
of
the
proposed
fence
on
on
both
the
North
and
South
Side
of
Church
Street,
to
that
the
applicant
review,
the
materials
proposed
for
the
wall
facing
Church
Street
on
the
south
side
of
the
project.
Three,
that
the
applicant
review,
the
detailing
of.
D
Layer
of
the
Fair
Day
print
paved
apron
meeting
the
street
anything
else.
E
F
I
think
again,
the
fencing
thing
is
is
a
big
issue
but
and
concern,
but
Trinity's
fence
is
five
feet
and,
what's
being
proposed
is
twice
that
high,
so
the
column
of
10
feet
and
then
the
fence
of
eight
and
it's
really
significant.
B
D
B
You
like
we're
going
to
continue
we're.
B
E
E
It
we're
happy
we're
happy
to
take
a
look
at
it
yeah
and
to
answer
your
question
about
that.
Maple,
the
oak
on
the
far
end
is
in
really
bad
shape.
The
maple
we
didn't
really
want
to
take
it,
but
in
order
to
create
symmetry
between
looking
at
the
entrance
and
framing
the
entrance,
the
width
of
the
the
apron
and
being
able
to
have
some
congregation
out
on
that
Plaza
area
is
what
impacted
it.
E
So
I
I
don't
disagree
and
we
tried
to
not
do
away
with
that
tree,
but
but
in
terms
of
back
to
scale
and
and
relationship
to
the
face
of
the
structure,
that's
what
someone
driven
with.
E
E
For
compliance,
we
weren't
able
to
do
that,
so
we're
going
to
be
doing
large
deciduous.
We
have
not
determined
the
final
species,
but
it
will
be
in
keeping
with
the
city's
plant
list.
I,
don't
know
if
we'll
do
Elms,
but
we'll
do
something.
That's
a
stately
tree
that
would
fit
with
the
setting.
E
The
city
doesn't
require
us
to
do
that.
We're
also
going
to
have
a
full
landscape
plan
that
wasn't
required
by
the
city
for
approval
that
will
be
secondarily
issued
to
the
grading
contract
or
the
contractors
doing
the
work.
And
then
we
would
install
a
full
new
landscape.
We're
going
to
be
doing
a
Refresh
on
the
entire
thing.
E
The
trees,
depending
on
the
variety
of
tree
and
whether
it's
a
canopy
or
a
flowering
tree,
is
going
to
have
a
different
requirement.
I
want
to
say
off
the
top
of
my
head.
It's
two
to
two
and
a
half
inch
caliper
for
that
situation
and
location,
but
normally
we
would
expect
no
nothing
less
than
the
two
and
a
half.
D
E
Tree
there
I
don't
disagree
with
you
at
all.
The
city
is
kind
of
bound
by
their
ordinance
requirements
and
appropriately.
We
think
that
having
flowering
trees,
there
would
be
better
than
than
the
street
trees,
but
we
would
need
to
go
to
the
tree
preservation.
G
B
E
D
I
I
could
see,
keep
going
down
to
your
planting
plan.
I
could
see
the
two
that
flank
the
new
apron
yeah.
I
Canopy
trees,
there
that's
fine
and
then
the
two
out
from
those
one
being
under
the
elm,
the
other
being
close
to
the
neighboring
building.
That's.
E
D
C
E
I
think
if
we
go
to
the
commission
and
demonstrate
what
we've
got
existing
and-
and
you
know
what
the
design
intent
is-
the
client
wanted
to
get
this
into
process
and
sure
through
the
approvals
so
that
we
also
you
know,
we
do
have
some
situation
here
with
the
fencing
and
and
egress
and
those
types
of
things
that
we
knew
would
be
conversations
with
the
city
and
we're
close
to
actually
getting
everything
resolved
and
approved,
so
we're
in
good
shape.
E
I
Well,
we
got
you
kind
of
an
interesting
Outdoor,
Room
you're,
creating
on
the
east
side.
I
I
thought
I
was
reading
it
as
a
gathering
space,
but
it's
bisected
by
a
water
element,
so
you're
going
to
have
people
I,
guess
sitting
on
tiered
Terraces
potential
on
top
of
those
walls,
and
then
you
have
this
water
element
that
bisects
the
space.
What
kind
of
activities
are
being
planned
there.
E
During
day
used
to
be
a
place
of
contemplation,
they
may
do
certain
times
types
of
Gatherings
there.
As
far
as
the
church
goes
and
it
kind
of
is
evolving.
They
may
end
up
doing
weddings
there.
At
some
point,
part
of
the
idea
with
the
water
feature
is
that
there's
an
urn
at
the
upper
end,
which
would
be
the
hexagonal
shape
there,
and
then
it
flows
out
of
that
into
more
of
a
reflecting
pool
that
descends
down
to
the
lower
pool
at
the
bottom
and
then
we're.
E
B
D
B
I
I
Yeah
there's
a
lot
of
energy,
but
the
terrorists.
Looking
East
yeah.
B
C
J
Have
a
question:
is
there
an
opportunity
for
public
comment
on
this
sure
I
mean
I,
know
the
motion's
already
been
made
sure
yeah,
but
speaking
to
the
the
height
of
the
fence.
You
know:
I
agree
that
that
the
the
other
ones
on
that
street
tend
to
be
about
six
feet
in
height,
but
I
think
about
places
like
Charleston
and
Florence,
Italy
and
Paris,
where
you
walk
by
these
Cathedrals
that
have
high
senses
like
that,
and
they
give
you
a
sense
as
a
pedestrian
of
this
kind
of
awesome
verticality
there
behind
that
fence.
J
I
B
A
C
J
J
the
front
of
the
building
will
have
the
parking
deck
access
on
the
I.
Believe
that's
the
west
side,
one
driveway
24
feet
wide.
The
the
streetscape
in
front
of
the
building
is
is
essentially
that
same
consistent
fabric.
That's
used
throughout
downtown.
It's
a
running
bond
pattern,
turned
laterally,
I've,
I've,
accepted
I've
walked
through
town
and
I've.
Looked
at
all
of
the
examples
that
I
can
think
of.
J
I
have
a
presentation
that
I'll
do
during
the
formal
review
and
it
really
sets
the
fabric
that
that
running
wine
pattern
until
will
tells
me,
or
somebody
in
in
planning,
tells
me
we
can
no
longer
use
that
pattern
as
much
as
I
find
fault
with
it
from
an
engineering
standpoint.
J
K
Foreign
good
afternoon
guys,
my
name
is
Chris
sandcooler
I'm,
a
I'm,
an
architect
with
Studio
Z
architecture,
we're
based
out
of
Charlotte,
got
40
or
so
over
years
of
kind
of
combined
experience,
working
on
custom
and
boutique
hotels.
We've
previously
worked
just
over
at
The
Foundry
and
previously
a
little
bit
on
the
embassy
project.
So
we've
got
experience
kind
of
working
in
the
city
and
we're
excited
to
work
on
another
project.
K
K
So
we're
proposing
a
six-story
seven
total
with
a
level
of
subterranean
parking,
six
story,
115
room
Courtyard
by
Marriott,
the
main
the
main
floor
of
the
entry
floor
of
the
hotel,
will
have
a
kind
of
a
public
Bistro
space
in
the
front.
K
We
are
working
with
the
planning
department
still
on
trying
to
understand
how
what
the
specific
parking
requirement
that
will
be
held
to
is:
how
do
you
divvy
up
some
of
those
Hotel
operations
spaces?
How
is
parking
taken
from
that?
How
are
we
addressing
the
guest
rooms
and
then
how
are
we
addressing
the
the
restaurants,
rooftop
and
the
ground
floor
elements
understanding
if
that
parking
is
required
on
site
or
if
the
restaurant
parking
can
be
taken
care
of
with
shared
or
remote
parking?
K
As
we
get
more
clarifications
on
those
we'll,
we
may
or
may
not
be
making
some
additional
changes
to
to
respond
to
that.
A
Right,
that's
right
well
in
the
downtown
there's
only
a
parking
required
for
hotel
and
Associated
uses.
So
the
question
is
whether
things
associated
with
the
hotel
that
are,
and
where
is
that
I
think
there's
some
interpretation
either.
We
are
actively
discussing
that
and
we're
getting
closer
to
making
a
determination
so.
D
And
they're
required
to
provide
parking
for
that
piece.
The
question
is:
is
how
integral
or
whatever
is
the
restaurant
to
the
operation
of
the
the.
A
I
D
Month,
primarily
and
integrated
merely
foreign,
our
perfect
Hotel.
First,
you
know
a
separate
thing:
that's
open
always
and
serves.
D
Lobby
yeah,
when
we
talked
about
this
a
long
time
ago
when
we
were
looking
at
the
hotel,
the
the
order,
the
ordinance
for
the
hotel
I,
do
remember
that
and
I
think
that's
why
it
has
something
about
the
operations
you
didn't
want
to
penalize
a
hotel
from
doing
something
like
putting
in
a
good
restaurant
right
so
and
making
them
Park
that
restaurant
in
the
downtown
we
don't
make
any
other
restaurants
Park
downtown,
it's
penalizing
the
hotel
guy.
So
you
don't
want
to
do
that
if
we
can
avoid,
it
was
right.
K
K
Yeah
I
figured
it
out
after
a
while,
so
to
us
to
answer
the
general
parking
question.
We
will
address
it
as
needed
as
we
as
we
talk
with
these
guys
and
get
a
little
more
clarification.
But
we
do
understand
that
the
general
angst
and
downtown
related
to
the
parking,
and
we
want
to
make
sure
that
we're
abiding
by
that.
K
Yes,
yeah
we're
we're
working
on
a
on
a
a
small
site,
yeah.
K
Looking
at
the
at
the
building's
exterior,
obviously
you
know
Asheville's
a
special
City
and
you
guys
from
the
last
discussion,
clearly
care
a
lot
about
making
sure
we,
we
kind
of
dot
our
eyes
cross
our
T's
on
how
the
extrude
of
this
building
looks.
So
our
first
approach
was
to
just
kind
of
generally.
K
We
walked
around
the
city,
a
bunch
looked
at
specifically
fenestration,
because
when
you
think
about
the
the
hotel
typology
so
much
of
what's
happening
on
the
extra
the
building
is
specifically
generated
by
the
guest
room
stacks
and
how
they're
working
with
the
exterior
of
the
building.
So
we
look
specifically
at
some
of
these
buildings.
K
I
highlighted
two
of
them
up
here,
but
the
general
idea
was
to
try
and
emphasize
vertical
hierarchy
recess
the
windows
as
much
as
we
can
and
then
use
coursing
core
bling
Etc
to
try
and
find
some
definition
around
those
windows
and
add
a
little
Intrigue
to
it
in
terms
of
materials.
We
looked
specifically
at
our
future
neighbors
and
Neighbors
in
construction
and
current
neighbors
for
a
general
material
palette.
K
What
we
found
was
a
lot
of
dark
brick,
some
red
brick
and
then
a
variety
of
shades
of
light
gray,
white
Eaves,
so
that
was
kind
of
the
general
material
palette
that
we
started.
Our
approach
from
the
last
thing
we
considered
was
just
generally.
This
is
a
to
marry
out.
Property
and
Marriott
does
have
a
say
in
this.
So
we
wanted
to
take
a
look
at
what
their
prototype
looks
like
I.
K
So
looking
at
the
exterior,
just
kind
of
what,
if
I,
can
zoom
zoom
in
can
I
zoom
in
on
this
nice.
So
looking
at
that,
we
try.
Like
I
said
we
tried
to
emphasize
some
of
the
verticality
using
those
kind
of
the
brick
set
out.
We
tried
to
recess
ifseer,
where
all
the
window
conditions
would
be
to
try
and
create
the
vertical
fin.
K
Look
that
the
Courtyard
Marriott
brand
does
incorporate
most
of
the
traffic
in
our
opinion,
visually
and
also
the
vehicular
would
be
coming
kind
of
from
I
guess
you
could
say
this
side
of
the
city,
the
Eastern
side
of
the
city.
So
we
tried
to
emphasize
that
that
front
corner
create
a
element
of
interest
there
and
along
the
streetscape
kind
of
recess.
That
back
and
create
that
you
know
covered
sheltered
presence
to
allow
people
to
enter
that
streetscape
Bistro
element
that
we're
calling
it
right
now.
K
And
I
will
try
and
smooth
out.
We
got
some
curbs
right
now
that
are
not
cooperating
in
our
modeling
program,
but
there's
so
much
topography
that
it's
been
a
it's
been
a
fun
adventure
to
model
all
that,
but
to
try
and
dress
up
the
streetscape.
We
provided
as
much
glazing
as
we
possibly
could
at
the
kind
of
the
public
uses.
K
We
incorporated
on
kind
of
canopy
awnings
at
all
those
spaces
and
tried
to
create
it's
it's
not
necessarily
a
courtyard,
but
try
to
create
some
sort
of
little
pocket
space
here
to
bring
the
entrance
to
that
Bistro
space
slightly
off
the
the
public
sidewalk
there
and
I
think
I'm.
Unless
you
guys
have
anything.
You
want
me
to
specifically
cover
I'm
happy
to
take
questions
at
this
time
and
you
know
see
kind
of
receive
some
initial
feedback
talking
to
will
earlier.
K
I
I
have
a
question:
yes
sheet,
A332,
it's
above
your
color
renderings.
Yes,.
B
K
So
we
are
we're
currently
we're
working
with
Tony's
team
to
figure
out
what
the
final
grades
are
at
that
area
and
then
how
we
transition
from
the
grade
into
the
building,
where
we're
designing
right
now,
I,
don't
know
if
it
will
be
necessarily
that
that
tall,
specifically
a
lot
of
that
grading.
There
was
due
to
us
trying
to
create
those
perspectives
and
get
a
a
model
that
reflects
the
terrain.
The
existing
terrain
around
the
building.
I
Well,
this
relates
to
my
question.
It
looks
like
you're
kind
of
struggling
as
to
where
the
front
door
to
this
hotel
is
there's
one
on
the
south
east
corner
and
then
there's
kind
of
one
in
the
motor
Court
drop
off
and
there's
an
opening
on
the
street
wall.
And
you
know
you
have
to
walk
up
pretty
soon
ramp
that
if,
if
your
main
entry
yeah
go
back,
there's
a
zoom
with
that
I.
B
I
It
doesn't
seem
to
be
played
up
much
if
you
go
to
the
rendering
there's
a
small
canopy
over
it.
I
I
Sure,
where,
where
Thor
to
be-
and
it's
kind
of
hard
to
read
in
that
rendering,
but
there
is
kind
of
a
bronze
medal
visor
that
comes
out-
but
it's
to
me-
it
should
one
it
might
want
to
be
lifted
up.
There's
that
band
that
white
kind
of
pretest
Cornish
thing,
which
seems
like
we
see
it
out
at
every
hotel,
now,
there's
a
band
that
wraps
around
in
it
kind
of
breaks
up
what
happens
below
because
you're
following
the
program,
so
you've
got
one
thing
happening
above
it.
One
thing
happening
below.
I
Decide
to
break
it
up,
it'd.
I
B
K
B
B
I
D
B
D
Lot
of
little
parts
and
pieces
to
this
building
and
then
they're
sort
of
tied
together
and
they're
sort
of
not
and
I
either
want
them
to
be
less
tied
together
or
more
tied
together.
In
other
words,
I
want
this
to
be
like
one
building
or
I,
don't
mind
it
being
different
buildings.
What
I
mean
you
can
stay
on
that
image.
D
B
D
D
B
D
That
piece
can
be
itself
all
the
way
down.
It
doesn't
have
to
to
be
tied
into
the
pieces
on
either
side
of
it
in
exactly
the
same
way.
At
least
I,
don't
think
so.
D
Think
Michael
already
said
that
that
little
two-story
piece
in
the
front
it's
a
different
than
the
rest
of
the
building,
but
not
very
different
and
I,
think
it
could
be
more
different
and
it
would
be
really
Dynamic
and
I
think
you
could
do
some
things
where
either
that
defines
the
main
entrance
or
it's
completely
broken.
D
Honestly
I
think
you
could
do
something
where
it's
a
really
kind
of
a
neat
building
where
you've
got
the
two
sides
with
the
with
the
little
shadow
box,
brick
pieces,
and
then
you
really
do
break
it
with
a
complete
Glass
Tower
or
a
really
special
tower
that
that
breaks
that
piece
and
then
you've
got
a
separate
kind
of
thing.
That's
out
here
in
the
front,
the
corner.
D
That
corner
is
more
developed,
the
other
corner,
where
that,
from
that
other
perspective,
where
you've
got
the
vehicular
entrance
is
not
as
well
developed
that
that
whole
portal
for
the
particular
entrance
is
just
kind
of
a
break
in
the
wall,
and
it
needs
to
be
designed
and
then
I
would
say.
E
D
D
I
understand
that
to
a
to
a
point
but
I
also
don't
necessarily
and
I
wonder:
I
wonder
if
there's
a
way
like
when
you
start
to
stop
when
you
start
and
stop
the
brick
needs
to
make
more
sense
to
me,
the
the
little
shadow
box
thing
like
the
on
the
paper.
You
know
Road
dry,
Haywood
Street
side,
and
then
you
got
the
side
going
towards
Montford
that
one
just
kind
of
is
there
and
then
it
stops.
There's
no
good
reason.
The.
K
D
C
D
E
D
Indigo
ended
up
being
taller
than
anything
else
just
because
of
where
it
sits
on
the
hill.
This
is
similar.
You
know
as
you're
as
you're
coming
into
town
you're
coming
across,
especially
when
we
someday
when
I'm
87,
and
they
get
the
connector
finished.
You
know
when
you're
coming
across.
D
There
is
going
to
be
what
you
see
as
you
as
you
approach,
downtown
Asheville,
so
I
would
I
would
spend
some
time
on
this
piece.
I
think
you
started
too
on
that
on
that
upper
piece
like
that,
starting
to
look
interesting,
but
this
corner
I
think
is
going
to
be
more
visible
honestly
to
more
people
from.
K
More
time
to
be
spent
on
this
side
yeah,
our
our
team
has
discussed
taking
the
brick
what
you
guys
call
like
the
brick
shadow
box
pattern
and
I
mean
the
building
kind
of
turns
into
three
masses.
It's
a
it's
a
wider,
it's
a
it's
a
rectangle
and
it
kind
of
widens
again
on
the
back
to
like
almost
like
an
irregular
shaped
dumbbell,
taking
the
rear
part
of
the
dumbbell
that
faces
that
and
incorporating
more
of
the
masonry
and
reintroducing
the
shadow
box
to
make
it
seem
a
little
more
cohesive.
D
B
I
Like
I'd
like
to
amplify
that
sorry,
some
of
us
don't
get
to
talk
about
architecture.
K
I
Yeah
this
is
like
being
back
in
school,
so
yeah
the
corner,
the
corner
piece,
it
kind
of
Rises
up
a
little
bit
taller,
but
then
that
same
green
Gray
ephes
becomes
a
parapet
above
the
brick
on
the
two
sides
and
it
kind
of
minimizes
the
tower
that
it
shows
back
up
again
and
it
just
I
think
I
could
read
in
the
section
that
the
top
of
the
brick
almost
Rises
up
to
become
a
parapet
for
the
roofing
and
that
extra
ethos
is
just
to
make
it
taller
which
which
we
do
need
to
Shield
your
Mechanicals.
I
So
we
do
need
it,
but
it
seems
like
maybe
you
just
grab
the
brick
up,
another
two
feet
and
but
but
I
agree.
Maybe
you
put
more
brick
on
the
corner
piece,
but
but
the
gray
kind
of
lifeless
ethos
and
the
black
glass
it
seems
like.
If
that's
going
to
be
your
flag
there,
it
needs
a
little
bit
more
Pizzazz
than
in
the
front.
You
have
those
little
HVAC,
grilles
kind
of
carved
in
I
would
study
that
some
more
and
is.
Is
there
any
reason
why
the
height
of
the
vehicular
access
is
so
tall?
I
There's
a
rendering
showing
a
car
driving
in
it,
I
haven't
looked
at
the
scale,
but
if
you
scale
back
I
mean
it
looks
like
it's.
K
No,
it's
yeah.
It's
tall,
it's
tall,
I
speaking
with
transparency,
I
believe
it's
that
tall
to
hit
the
street
front
of
opacity
and
openness
requirement.
We've.
We
basically
put
as
much
glass
as
we
could
on
the
public-facing
spaces
and
we've
got
the
the
vehicle
drop-off
area,
which
I
suppose
we
could
line
with
some
additional
storefront
glass.
K
D
I
Well,
actually,
if
you
can
scroll
back,
there's
a
view
that
gets
a
better
view,
I
think
you'll
see
what
we're
saying
is
I
think
it'd
be
pretty
easy
to
to
just
cut
the
brick
higher
up
and
then
add
a
Transit
panel.
It
could
be
louvers,
it
could
be
actually
the
other
area.
Doesn't
that
have
some
interest
like
metal,
weaved
stuff,
the.
I
A
While
we're
on
the
point
I
just
want
to
clarify
the
the
Assad
and
opacity
requirements
on
the
ground
floor
is
measured
linear
linearly
across
that,
so
it's
not
really
by
area
like
the
upper
stories.
So
if
you
did
want
to
drop
some
of
that
out
of
the
opening,
it
wouldn't
impact
the
opening.
I
I
People
to
come
in
there
then
kind
of
Play
It
Up
celebrate
that
that's
where
people
enter
not
cars
and
man,
those
the
three
holes
in
the
brick
at
the
very
top
where
the
kitchen
is
I
know
you
don't
want
windows
in
there,
but
you
you
kind
of
have
a
nice
framework,
a
brick,
and
you
know
you
fill
it
mostly
with
glass
and
maybe
some
step
back,
brick
elsewhere,
but
then
on
the
top
there
I
think
we
have
some
other
hotels
where
it
just
hurts
to
look
up
there
and
see
that
panel.
I
It's
almost
like
there
was
a
big
Lobby
plan
there
and
then
somebody
changed.
I
And
then
they
just
threw
underneath
his
panel,
so
maybe
storefront,
that's
that's
shadowed
out
or
something
like
make.
It
glass,
yeah.
K
Yeah
I
think
I
think
both
are
potential
Solutions
we
I'd
say
internally.
We
also
felt
similarly
that
could
use
a
little
more
dress
up
there
for
sure
these.
I
K
Yeah
I
guess
that's
another
question
question
that
we
had
discussed
too
is
there?
Is
that
a
is
that
a
possible
solution
or.
D
D
But
something
like
that!
No
that's
just
because
we
got
lazy,
stopped,
designing
and
went
well,
we'll
just
slap
some
graphics
on
it
sure
which.
D
Yeah
we
can
do
that,
but
I'd
rather
do
architecture,
because
why
not
yeah.
D
D
There
are
many
other
designers
that
aren't
here
today:
that'll
give
you
their
two
cents
when
you,
when
you
come
back,
but.
B
C
K
Sure
no
yeah
I,
agree,
I!
Think
you
guys,
you
know
internally
as
an
architect
I
reflect
on
my
own
work
and
I.
Think
you
guys
caught
a
lot
of
the
things
that
I
think
needed
a
little
more
a
little
extra
extra
design
time
so
I
think
it's
good
to
hear
that
and
we'll
probably
honestly
see
you
another
informal
review
to
track
our
progress
and
make
sure
you're
on
the
right
track
and.
C
B
I
I
thought
it
was
really
well
done.
You
can't
tell
the
new
pieces,
but
I
guess
you
can
kind
of
tell
if
you
knew,
but
it's.
I
D
B
D
I
think
that
piece
like
wants
to
look
like
West
Asheville
downtown
or
it
wants
to
go.
No
man,
I'm
I'm,.
D
K
K
We
we
very
recently
made
the
change
to
from
a
one-story
little
we'll
call
it
a
trapezoid
one
story:
trapezoid
of
the
two
and
I
think
I
think
it
looks
I
think
it
looks
flat,
so
I
think
it
needs
needs.
It
needs
more
depth,
more
interest
or
just
something
to
be
completely
different.
I
agree:
yeah.
I
K
K
K
Building
we
we
started
designing.
One
of
my
co-workers
had
just
come
back
from
Denver.
It's
like
I
walked
by
a
building
that,
when
we
did
a
little
charred
on
the
opposite,
I
want
building
and
it
had
a
corner
and
it
had
brick
in
the
windows
and
it
was
a
nice
grid.
And
then
we
were
like
oh
well,
good
inspiration.
B
I
Can
we
talk
about
hotel
parking
sure?
Is
there
I'm
just
starting,
maybe
a
conversation?
So
we
have
all
these
hotels
that
don't
want
to
spend
the
money
obviously
to
to
for
cars.
They'd
rather
spend
them
on
room
for
guests.
I
I,
guess
most
people
or
many
people
are
arriving
by
plane
is.
Is
there
some
sort
of
like
group
effort
to
create
some
sort
of
shuttle
to
to
like
encourage
people
to
to
leave
their
car
and
arrive
by
plane
and
like
it
seems
like
with
all
these
hotels
they
could
all
get
together
and
have
a
constant
Loop
going
to
the
airport
like
every.
B
I
A
A
A
I
Why
not
that's
my
point?
It
seems
like
there's
enough
the
hotel
developments
here
and
enough
rooms
that
and
every
it's
in
everyone's
interest
for
people
to
leave
their
cars
at
home
yeah.
So
like
how
hard
is
it
that
we
develop
a
more
robust
transportation
system?
That's
not
private
automobiles,
very,
very
hard.
I
C
D
C
Anyway,
any
future
I
mean
we
can
add
that,
as
a
more
official
of
the.