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From YouTube: Downtown Commission – September 22, 2023
Description
Regular meeting of the City of Asheville Downtown Commission.
Access the agenda and other meeting materials at the City of Asheville website: https://www.ashevillenc.gov/department/city-clerk/boards-and-commissions/downtown-commission/
Participate before and during the meeting on our public engagement hub: https://publicinput.com/W0132
A
A
Downtown
commission
was
created
by
the
city
council
for
the
sustainability
and
continued
development
of
downtown
a
vital
Urban
Center
of
Western
North
Carolina's
economic,
cultural
and
visitor
activity.
The
downtown
commission
provides
city
council
with
recommendations
on
downtown
policies
and
initiatives.
In
addition,
downtown
Commissioners
currently
filled
three
out
of
nine
seats
of
the
city's
design,
Review
Committee,
which
reviews
for
development
projects
within
the
central
business
district,
the
river
Arts,
District
and
hotel
projects
outside
of
those
areas.
The
downtown
commission
also
has
the
opportunity
to
provide
input
on
projects
outside
of
the
scope
of
design
review.
A
We
are
streaming
live
on.
Our
virtual
engagement,
Hub,
don't
walleye,
which
is
accessible
through
the
virtual
engagement
Hub
link
on
the
front
page
of
the
city
website,
also
linked
on
the
committee
page
and
also
available
on
YouTube,
for
those
of
you
out
there
with
us
today
welcome
and
welcome
to
everyone
who
is
here
in
person
at
this
time.
I
will
go
through
and
do
roll
call
for
the
few
of
us
that
are
here,
I
apologize
for
not
having
Quorum
this
morning,
so
committee
members
Edwards,
is
not
here
Andrew.
A
Thank
you,
Jessica
Hendricks,
Stephen
Lee
is
not
here.
I
am
here.
Ricardo
and
Robin
are
not
here
Megan
good
morning.
Eva
Michelle
is.
B
A
You
so
we
have
a
few
items
on
the
agenda
this
morning.
We
can't
go
through
the
approval
of
minutes
because
we
don't
have
a
quorum
so
we'll
do
that
next
time,
if
I
can
remember
to
keep
it
on
the
agenda,
so
we
will
do
public
comment
right
now.
I
will
also
note
that
we
have
put
for
the
college
Pi
College
patent
bike,
lane
update
presentation.
We
will
have
a
opportunity
for
public
comment
on
that
item,
specifically
after
Transportation
staff
gives
their
presentation.
A
A
B
My
name
is
Sheila
Surratt
I'm,
an
downtown
Asheville
native
resident
and
before
I
begin
I
was
there
first,
so
I'm
not
going
anywhere
that
church
I've
been
telling
you
about
the
ministry,
it
needs
security
OD'd
in
the
bathroom
on
Wednesday
morning,
and
they
always
OD
there.
They
go
to
that
church.
They
meet
up
with
their
friends
and
they
get
their
fix
and
they
do
their
drugs
they're
on
site
and
they
OD
they
do
that
almost
daily.
There
are
tents
set
up
at
that
ministry
as
we
speak.
B
If
you
go
down
next
to
the
interstate,
there
are
tents
and
carts
all
over
the
place.
Okay,
so
we
need
more
funding
for
downtown.
We
need
more
funding
for
security.
My
friend
sent
me
this
last
night.
We
are
at
strata
right
now
parked
in
the
parking
garage
across
from
the
Vault
attempting
to
walk
down
the
stairs
and
some
drug
crazy
woman
was
all
over
the
floor
of
the
landing,
so
he
had
to
go
out
a
different
way
and
then
druggies
all
over
when
we
walked
out
this
place
is
a
real
okay.
B
B
We've
got
the
Rankin
parking
garage,
that's
their
second
home
if
they
don't
hang
out
at
the
ministry
or
a
hope.
They're
in
that
Rankin
parking
garage,
that
parking
garage
is
dangerous,
go
in
there
walk
it
right
now,
I
guarantee
you
you're
not
going
to
like
what
you
see.
We
need
more
protection.
We
need
more
money.
B
We
need
more
funding
for
police,
so
we
can
have
them
on
the
streets
late
at
night
that
dead
body
laid
there
for
six
hours
from
one
o'clock
until
7
45
in
the
morning
before
somebody
realized
that
was
a
dead
body
and
I've
got
a
lot
more
I
can
say,
but
for
now
I'm
speaking
on
this
issue.
Thank
you.
Thank.
A
A
D
It
was
Joe
Eckert.
D
You,
the
owner,
left
and
see
it
in
Jack
of
the
wood
I
want
to
Echo
what
we've
just
heard,
because
we
face
that
situation
every
morning
on
Wall
Street,
my
staff
has
to
barely
can
come
to
work,
sometimes
with
people
sleeping
on
the
patio
there
we
find
Arden's
caps
and
needles
and
the
Planters
then
across
the
street,
in
the
parking
or
the
parking
garages,
was
a
hangout
until
about
a
week
ago,
the
police
did
a
pretty
thorough
cleanup
of
that
area
and
just
their
presence
makes
a
difference,
because
if
nobody
is
just
tourists
or
customers
on
Wall,
Street
they're
just
going
to
hang
there,
especially
at
the
parking
garage,
so
I
just
wouldn't
bring
into
everyone's
attention
that
it's
become
a
serious
thing.
D
E
We
don't
normally
respond
to
public
comment,
but
I
just
wanted
to
share
a
little
bit.
Thank
you
for
the
additional
information
I
was
talking
with
Joe.
Just
before
the
meeting.
There
is
Awareness
on
Council
that
there's
an
ongoing
issue
and
growing
problem,
and
just
yesterday
at
our
agenda
briefing,
we
were
talking
about
it.
A
little
bit
and
we've
been
I,
know
I've
been
meeting
with
businesses
for
the
last
several
weeks
and
hearing
lots
of
this
input
and
trying
to
gather
information
and
ideas
and
solutions
and
then
bring
them
to
council
and
the
city
manager.
E
So
all
that
to
say
I
I
recognize.
There's
a
problem.
I
appreciate
continuing
to
hear
the
input
and
I
think
it's
really
time
that
we
do
more
and
I'm
hopeful
that
some
things
will
be
done,
not
clear
quite
on
how
much
we'll
be
able
to
do
and
how
quickly,
but
just
know
that
we
are
talking
about
it
and
working
on
something
and
I
expect
that
there
will
be
more
to
announce
soon.
G
Good
morning
all
I'm
Chris
Coral
general
manager
over
the
Harris
Cherokee
Center
Asheville,
which
includes
the
Thomasville
Auditorium.
Hopefully
a
lot
of
this
you've
read
in
the
newspaper,
so
you
have
a
pretty
good
idea
on
and
I'll
give
you
a
little
bit
more
of
an
update
on
where
we
are
in
addition
to
what
you've
seen
in
the
newspaper
there.
G
Right,
so
just
to
give
you
a
timeline
of
where
we
are
how
we
got
here
in
May
of
23,
we
held
a
Asheville
Symphony
event
with
Bella
Fleck
that
had
our
initial
failure
of
like
our
main
unit.
If
you
will
there's
three
units
that
take
care
of
the
Thomasville
Auditorium,
we
had
some
water
coming
down
on
patrons,
which
is
what.
C
C
G
On
found
some
issues
there,
we
put
a
rich
risk
mitigation
plan
in
effect,
moved
forward
with
events
through
June,
with
that
one
unit
offline
using
two
other
units
went
through
I
think
it
was
like
19
different
events
in
June
new
issues
just
other
than
trying
to
keep
up
with
the
system.
While
we
worked
on
parts,
then,
on
July
3rd
we
hosted
a
sold
out
show
with
a
band
called
the
smile,
which
is
two
members
of
the
Radiohead
band
that
shows
completely
sold
out.
It
was
like
88
degrees
outside.
G
So
it
was
hot
steamy
and
a
little
bit
unbearable
in
there.
Luckily,
we
walked
out
with
no
medical
issues,
I
think
the
free
water
and
paddle
fans,
and
just
people
roaming
through
the
crowd
handing
out
water,
helped
solve
that.
So
then
we
took
the
day
off
in
July,
4th
and
July
5th.
We
temporarily
closed
the
room
and
started
shutting
down
events
and
actively
moving
them
into
our
Arena
throughout
the
fall,
then
we
got
into
August
and
we
initiated
what
we're
calling
the
Quick
Fix
repair,
but
the
goal
of
being
open
later.
G
This
fall
that
should
be
about
two,
maybe
three
weeks
away
at
a
reduced
capacity,
so
that
quick
fix
it's
what
I'm
calling
an
octopusing
of
the
system.
So
we
have
those
three
units,
the
biggest
one
in
the
middle,
which
is
the
most
important
one.
Has
the
longest
lead
time
for
repairs,
we're
looking
at
like
six
to
nine
months.
For
that
one.
G
So
we're
fixing
the
two
on
either
end
that
we
can
access
without
building
a
catwalk
and
some
other
things
marrying
all
the
duct
work
together
and
using
those
two
units
to
send
air
out
through
the
room
for
all
those,
so
that'll
get
us
somewhere
around
12
1300
capacity,
which
is
important.
It's
not
going
to
allow
us
to
do
ticketed
events,
but
what
it
does
allow
us
to
do
is
all
the
non-ticketed
events
that
we
host
we
get
to
keep
them
and
for
the
ones
that
wanted
to
move
into
the
arena.
G
So
moving
forward
into
October.
We
should
be
complete
with
that
quick
fix,
we're,
anticipating
and
asked
the
council
to
utilize
some
of
our
Enterprise
fund
balance
to
repair
to
get
to
full
capacity,
which
should
have
US
Open
sometime
in
the
spring,
like
March
February
March,
with
the
target
to
reopen
at
full
capacity,
sometime,
February,
March
and
then
move
forward
with
shows
we're
waiting
to
start
booking
shows
post
March,
though,
until
we
have
a
really
solid
timeline.
H
G
That
might
actually
result
in
open
in
May,
for
example,
even
though
we're
ready
in
March
fiscal
impact
we're
estimating
a
reduction
of
gross
operating
Revenue
around
1.2
million
for
this
fiscal
year
compared
to
last
fiscal
year
in
our
Enterprise
budget,
and
then
we're
estimating
a
reduction
of
our
annual
economic
impact
to
Asheville
welcome
County
at
around
20
million
dollars.
That's
that
number
could
be
worse.
Luckily,
we're
saving
a
good
number
of
our
shows
and
putting
them
in
the
arena
throughout
the
fall.
So
we're
still
having
the
shows
just
a
little
bit
different
setup.
G
We
had
one
on
Tuesday
a
lot
this
week,
actually
with
Nick
Cave
that
went
pretty
well.
So
our
next
steps,
like
I,
mentioned
we're
going
to
do
a
work
session
on
Tuesday
next
week
with
Council,
specifically
about
Thomas,
wolf
Auditorium.
We
anticipate,
as
we
get
out
of
that
work
session
into
the
next
business
meeting
in
October.
That
will
be
requesting
funds
from
our
Enterprise
fund
balance
for
emergency
repairs
and
we're
going
to
ask
for
approval
to
requests
that
we
go
to
the
tda's
lift
process,
which
is
a
new
Grant
project
process
that
the
TDA
has.
G
B
G
Real
quick
just
so
you
have
an
idea
of
what
those
are.
It's
a
really
well
studied
situation
here.
So
the
last
20
years
there's
been
nine
different
conceptual
design,
studies
or
ancillary
operational
evaluations.
They
all
have
really
similar
results.
Infrastructure,
Life,
Safety
is
key
rigging
is
lacking,
loading
is
a
disaster.
G
G
So
this
was
a
really
well
vetted
conceptual
design
that
added
some
Broadway
capability
was
basically
everything
the
symphony
would
ever
want
had
the
ability
for
us
to
have
ancillary
space,
new
public
space,
touring
capabilities,
a
lot
of
really
great
things
that
project
at
that
time
was
estimated
at
100
million
dollars,
and
so
you
can
see
just
looking
in
20
28
dollars.
It's
almost
double
in
that
eight
year
period.
G
That
project
back
in,
like
2012
I
believe
it
was,
was
like
a
45
million
dollar
project,
so
they
keep
climbing
and
just
for
clarity
to
make
it
not
such
a
scary
number,
198
million
sounds
bad,
but
14
million
over
20
years
sounds
less
bad.
So
that's
how
that
would
be
in
a
Debt,
Service
structure
and
then
scaling
to
a
different
style
setup.
An
acoustically
driven
setup
is
somewhere
around
150
million
or
less
at
11
million
dollars
a
year
over
20
years.
This
would
be
like
a
a
concert
hall
type
of
room.
G
A
G
That
one
address
the
height
of
the
fly
only
the
first
one
addresses
the
height
of
the
fly
so.
G
Correct,
yes,
the
improved
rate
foil
Arrangement
about
9
million
a
year
for
20
years
is
the
same
structure
that
we
have
new
seats,
but
using
the
same
structure
and
some
front
and
back
house
improvements
multi-purpose
flat
floor.
This
is
kind
of
like
your
Fillmore
style
house,
where
we'd
flatten
the
floor
going
back
to
what
its
original
was,
which
was
a
flat
floor
and
keeping
a
balcony.
G
This
setup
has
not
been
vetted
in
any
way
shape
or
form
other
than
our
design
team
gave
us
a
quick
number
on
it
a
month
ago
to
give
us
an
idea:
that'd
be
around
8
million
a
year
for
20
years,
just
infrastructure
and
code
update
upgrades
around
52
million
that'd
be
a
4
million
a
year
for
20
years
in
a
Debt
Service
structure
that
really
changes
very
little
other
than
HAC
Electrical
Plumbing
paint
fixtures,
the
basics.
I
G
Yes,
oh,
that
was
weird
all
right.
So
then
the
do
nothing
option
is
always
an
option.
So
there's
no
project
cost
to
that
one,
but
the
ongoing
cost
could
be
significant.
It's
unknown.
You
know,
I
mentioned
our
tours
at
the
Arts
council
meeting
we
spend
between
like
15
and
25
000
a
year
on
plumbing
repairs
in
the
wolf
alone.
So
there
are
costs
to
do
nothing,
but
the
costs
are
much
much
less
and
obviously
can
be
absorbed
in
operation,
as
we
have
done
that
for
years.
G
So
moving
forward
Keys
here,
any
renovation
is
a
major
renovation.
Even
if
it's
just
code
update
grades,
we're
talking
a
project,
that's
more
expensive
than
the
baseball
project
that
we'll
talk
about
in
a
minute.
What
does
the
room
want
to
be?
What
does
Asheville
want?
The
room
to
be
I
can
tell
you
from
2020
we
did
a
ton
of
public
engagement
and
that's
how
we
got
to
the
100
million
dollar
project.
G
So
I
can
tell
you
I
know
what
Asheville
wants
the
room
to
be,
but
what's
a
realistic
budget
for
this
type
of
project
in
the
community,
and
that's
really
what
we
should
figure
out
and
then
design
the
best
most
functional
room
to
that.
If
that's,
what
we're
going
to
do
going
forward
with
the
project
and
so
on
that
Council
work
session
on
the
26th
things
that
we'll
try
to
explore
with
council
is
really
just
like.
G
What's
the
appetite
for
a
full
capacity
repair,
that's
that
one
that
I
mentioned,
maybe
a
little
bit
over
a
million
just
to
get
us
back
open
this
spring
at
full
capacity.
What's
an
appetite
for
a
renovation
and
to
what
scale,
if
so,
we'll
explore
a
couple
different
financing
strategies
of
how
other
communities
have
done.
I
C
I
G
G
C
B
I
F
I
Saw
the
the
commitment
to
retain
that
economic
impact
from
the
city
so
I'm,
hoping
that
we
get
a
similar
scaled
commitment
from
our
city.
Judging
on
the
overall
impact
of
our
of
of
Thomas
Wolfe,.
G
Yes,
the
the
big
Broadway
one
has
an
expansion
out
of
the
back
of
house.
All
the
other
ones
keep
the
fly
house
in
the
same
configuration
to
be
fair,
though
all
of
these,
including
the
big
Broadway
one,
that
there
was
a
parameter
that
the
Duke
substation
could
never
move
and
would
never
move,
which
is
obviously
now
in
play
and
could
and
will
and
is
going
to.
So
when
we
go
back
to
the
design
team.
G
If
we
move
forward
with
a
direction,
we
can
take
that
parameter
out,
because
that
would
be
city
land
at
that
point
and
that
might
change
dollars
functionality.
So,
in
those
lower
scale
models
of
non-broadway
house,
we
might
be
able
to
increase
community
space
black
box
theater
rehearsal
space,
there's
other
options
that.
G
Yeah,
the
top
three
would
have
improvements
in
the
restrooms
and
the
food
and
beverage.
The
top
one.
The
Broadway
room
would
have
the
biggest
impact
because
it's
moving
the
the
last
seat
would
move
forward.
I
think
it
was
like
50
some
feet
so
you're
gaining
a
whole
lot
of
like
Lobby
restroom
Food
Service
space,
the
same
with
the
second
one,
the
acoustically
driven
and
then
the
once
you
get
to
where
the
footprint
stays
the
same.
Your
lobby
and
restroom
space
really
stays
the
same
as
what
it
is
now
yeah.
G
Loading's
address
in
like
the
best
way
possible
in
that
Broadway
sense,
where
we're
actually
drop,
bringing
load
the
stage
to
loading
instead
of
loading
to
the
stage,
so
that
was
dropping
it
down
like
20
some
feet.
All
the
others
would
keep
loading
very
similar
or
we'd
have
to
figure
out
a
lift
situation
or
a
long
ramp,
but
again
with
the
substation
potentially
moving.
We
could
change
loading
keep
the
stage
where
it
is
and
just
have
a
long
ramp
push
to
get
there
just
because
we
have
a
lot
bigger
space
to
get
to
grade.
G
C
A
Having
worked,
my
office
is
not
working
on
anything
in
this
currently,
but
we
did
work
on
the
original
performance
center
stuff
and
we
worked
on
other
performance.
Centers
and
I'll
say
that
the
the
fly
is
the
big
deal,
so
it
without
a
fly,
you're
really
limited
on
the
kind
of
shows
you
can
bring
and
there's
not
really
another.
You
know
Broadway
capable
venue
within
an
hour
hour
and
a
half,
maybe
Raven,
Gap,
there's
a
couple.
A
Others
like
that
that
have
a
have
a
Broadway
sized
fly
that
you
can
get
to,
but
you
you
have
to
be
in
driving
distance,
so
that
would
honestly
be
a
pretty
Game
Changer
and
we've
seen
different
wildly
different
economic
impacts
on
what
that
would
mean
to
come
to
the
area.
But
I
would
strongly
suggest
Council
very,
very
carefully
at
you
know
doing
something
that
does
not
bring
the
Thomas
wolf
into
what
it
would
need
to
be
to
to
provide
a
Broadway.
G
So
I
wouldn't
know
Broadway,
so
there's
Broadway
in
Greenville,
Broadway
and
Knoxville
Broadway
and
Greensboro
Broadway
and
Charlotte
right
our
size
market
and
where
we
are
just
the
routing
of
the
general
entertainment
world.
We
wouldn't
see
the
same
bang
for
your
buck
as
you
see
in
Greenville
and
Charlotte.
C
G
Greensboro,
for
example,
your
capability
yeah,
like
Broadway
rooms,
are
the
most
capable
rooms
out
there.
But
when
we're
talking
about
the
total
budget,
is
that
really
what
Asheville's
room
should
be,
and
should
we
be
focusing
on
like
concerts
multi-purpose,
Symphony
Broadway.
H
C
G
A
Market
size,
so
that's
normally.
That
brings
a
bunch
of
other
things
in
with
it.
Yes,
it
does
it's
not
just
it's
all
the
ancillary
things
that
come
with
it
once
you're
Broadway,
capable.
G
No,
the
three
of
the
or
two
of
the
options
cure
the
neck
situation.
Yes,.
A
A
Going
from
11
million
a
year
to
14
million
a
year
is
that
extra
3
million
a
year
I
think
does
that?
Does
that
equal
more
than
three
million
a
year
economic
impact?
What
is
the
economic
impact
in
that
I?
Don't
know
the
answer
to
that
and
that
I
think
that's
the
actual
question
that
Council
needs
to
be
looking
at
sense.
I
appreciate
that
the
total
price
tag
is
a
little
scary
right.
I
G
B
G
E
G
There's
some
out
there:
oh
yeah,
there's
a
lot
that
were
green
lit
during
pandemic
that
are
now
reaping
the
rewards
of
inflation,
interesting
yeah,
pretty
good!
Thank
you,
Chris
thank
you
and
I
think
Dustin's
next
and
he
was
going
to
tap
me
for
baseball.
So
if
you
want
I
can
just
stay
up
here
and
talk
baseball.
G
All
right
so
I'm
Chris
Coral
I'm.
G
Community
and
Regional
Entertainment
facilities
for
this
one
and
we're
here
to
talk
about
the
baseball
stadium
project,
which
is
working
its
way
through
a
conditional
zoning
process
that
we'll
get
to
Council
in
October.
So
what
you
see
up
here
now
is
the
current
site
plan
of
the
baseball
stadium,
working
right
field
to
left
field.
That's
your
ticket
or
picnic
area,
ticket
office,
Clubhouse,
visitors,
Clubhouse
and
then
a
small
party
area
over
on
left
field.
G
So
I'll
work
down
the
numbers
to
give
you
an
idea.
First,
so
number
one
which
is
right:
field
corner,
so
we'd
be
demoing
down
the
structure.
That's
there
currently
building
a
new
structure
that
would
have
a
tunnel
for
semi
trucks
to
get
on
the
floor,
but
also
would
be
your
team
store
your
box
office
home
Clubhouse.
It
would
be
Suites
and
Club
area
hitting
tunnels
weight
room.
All
of
that
stuff
would
be
packed
into
the
right
field
structure
there
you'll
see
it
looks
a
little
tight
on
plan
right
to
the
property
line.
G
It's
about
11
feet
to
the
property
line,
16
ish
feet
to
the
roadway.
So
that's
part
of
the
Landscaping
buffer
on
the
conditional
zoning
that
we're
requesting
another
conditional
zoning
request
is
Heights.
It's
a
in
Industrial
did
last
time
too.
G
It's
an
Institutional
zoning
currently
and
to
avoid
it
becoming
a
central
business
district
zoning
we're
trying
to
do
conditional
within
that
so
Heights
for
the
Outfield
wall
and
for
the
scoreboard
and
then
parking
are
the
three
big
ones
so
number
two
on
this
plan,
we'd
be
converting
the
current
home
locker
room
into
the
visitors,
locker
room
and
Clubhouse
would
have
all
their
space
there
there's
a
few
number
threes.
So
that's
new,
like
picnic
style
area
spaces,
so
like
fixed
tables
and
seats.
G
Like
you
see
at
a
lot
of
Major
League
minor
league
ballparks,
the
number
fours
that
are
up
around
the
left
field
area
are
new
food
and
beverage
service
area.
So
some
of
those
would
be
private
group
areas.
Some
of
them
would
be
open
to
public
areas
just
depending
on
the
structure
of
how
tickets
are
sold
for
a
given
event,
number
five
would
be
moving
the
bullpens
out
to
be
married
together
in
left
field.
G
So
a
cool
aspect
of
this
is
that
the
Outfield
wall
would
be
see-through,
so
you
could
see
the
bullpen
happening
in
The
Concourse,
that's
360,
which
is
number
six
next
on.
My
list
would
be
up
above
it,
so
kids
could
actually
be
like
at
the
rail
watching
The
Players
warm
up,
which
is
always
a
lot
of
fun
at
a
baseball
game.
G
Number
six
is
a
full
wrap
around
360
Concourse.
So
now,
as
you
know,
you
get
to
the
third
base
and
you
have
to
turn
around
and
come
back
to
first
base.
This
would
give
us
360
aspects
similar
to
most
major
league
minor
league
stadiums,
number
seven,
which
is
up
in
the
upper
left.
You
can't
see
where
that
arrow
goes,
but
that
is
a
new
structured
scoreboard.
So
a
video
board.
G
G
So
that's
a
new
entry
area,
so
that's
expanding
that
entry
area,
making
a
little
bigger
easier
to
get
in
and
out
of
the
gates
there
and
then
just
a
big
entry
Plaza
on
that
Concourse
again
with
goals
of
other
events
other
than
baseball,
make
it
functional
for
baseball,
but
make
it
so
we
can
have
cider,
faster
craft,
fair
concert
and
like
flow
people
through
very
easily
number
nine,
which
is
the
field
it
really
specifically
in
right
field.
So
you
can
see
where
the
color
gets
darker.
G
We
would
actually
be
pushing
the
right
field
wall
into
the
hill,
a
little
bit
23
feet
to
be
exact,
and
that
would
help
get
us
a
little
bit
closer
to
most
minor
league
and
major
league
stadiums
doesn't
get
to
the
Astros
request.
They
actually
want
us
to
be
340
feet,
we'd
be
at
323
feet,
but
this
is
really
what's
realistic,
with
the
property
lines
and
the
fact
that
we're
going
into
a
mountain
and
then
number
10,
which
is
Center
center
field,
there's
a
new
batter's
eye.
So
there's
a
requirement.
It's
the
green
monster.
G
As
you
might
know,
it's
a
center
field.
There's
like
that.
Bigger
portion
that
never
has
signage
on
it,
and
so
the
batter
can
see
the
ball
coming
out
of
the
pitcher's
hand,
so
that
would
build
up
a
different
style
fence
than
what
you
see
there
now,
because
it's
all
the
same
all
the
way
across
the
Outfield.
Now
so
yeah,
that's
the
general
overview
of
the
site
plan,
I'm
sure
we'll
be
back
with
more
to
come
as
we
get
deeper
into
design.
The
team
started
just
in
August,
so
we're
about
a
month
in.
G
Give
or
take
no
we're
losing
a
good
number
of
seats
for
Ada
purposes
and
some
of
the
construction,
but
then
we're
gaining
some
back.
The
design
team
told
us
we
should
be
like
maybe
minus
100,
up
to
plus
200,
depending
on
finals,
so
we're
basically
right
where
we
were
as
far
as
baseball
goes,
but.
I
360
degree
Concourse
in
the
future
open
up
additional
seating.
If
you
have
access
to
that
side
of
it,
I
mean
I've
been
trying
to
just
imagine,
there's
sort
of
topography
and.
G
Right
field-
probably
not
but
yeah
like
if
we
ever
had
money
in
the
future
and
wanted
to
expand,
there's
definitely
a
footprint
in
left
field
that
you
could
do
like
a
grassy
Hill
or
try
to
put
bleachers
on
it.
Certainly
an
opportunity
yeah,
but
not
in
the
plan,
and
not
designing
for
that
for
the
future.
Yeah.
G
Yeah
right
there's
like
a
double
door
and
like
a
little
roadway,
the
curves,
so
that
exists.
Currently
it's
a
service
roadway.
So
that's
what
the
tourists
use
to
bring
in,
like
all
their
field,
equipment
and
the
promotions,
so
it
feeds
up
to
the
parking
lot
at
Mountainside
Park.
At
one
point,
there
was
a
design
that
that
would
be
another
public
gate,
but
that
is
not
in
the
plan
we're
trying
to
avoid
sending
public
up
through
the
neighborhood.
We
want
everybody
to
come
to
the
main
entrance.
G
Had
it
on
Tuesday,
okay,
how'd
that
go
really
good,
I
think
jump
in
if
I
miss
anything
here,
but
the
biggest
highlight
really
was
they.
They
want
to
see
an
in-right
in
writing,
approved
traffic
and
parking
plan,
okay,
that
when
we're
going
to
try
to
find
a
way
to
combine
both
McCormick
and
Memorial
Field
above
it
into
one
parking
plan.
So
that
way
we
don't
have
one
for
baseball
and
still
leave
what
happens
up
at
Memorial
just
out
in
the
wind,
so
we're
hoping
to
try
to
combine
both
of
those
two
things.
A
G
G
So
you
we
kind
of
go
into
the
mountain
if
you
will
so
compared
to
the
houses
in
the
neighborhood
they're,
all
actually
going
to
be
above
the
head
of
that
roof
just
because
they're
up
on
a
hill
above
it,
okay,
but
I,
don't
know
exactly
how
tall
the
houses
are
in
there.
I
think
that
might
be
part
of
the
conditional
zoning
process.
But
okay.
A
G
G
Yeah
next
steps
we
will
be
at
a
TRC
meeting
on
October,
16th
yep
and
then
a
special
Planning
and
Zoning
meeting
on
October
18th
and
then
we'll
be
in
front
of
Council
on
October
24th.
G
So
that
will
be
for
the
conditional
zoning
on
the
24th
and
we'll
also
be
a
council
on
the
24th,
with
a
request
for
the
contract
approval
of
our
construction
manager
at
risk.
So
we'll
have
two
things
at
that
meeting
related
to
the
stadium
to
help
keep
us
on
time
and
right
now
we
are
still
very
much
so
on
the
timeline.
A
C
L
L
To
sort
of
recap
what
this
project
is
about,
it
would
add
buffered
separated
bike
Lanes
to
college
and
patton
downtown.
The
the
neon
green
that
you
see
in
this
image
is
the
project
area
where
the
bike
Lanes
would
be
added,
and
just
this
just
is
sort
of
a
zoomed
in
aerial.
To
give
you
an
idea
of
what
what
type
of
connectivity
it
would
provide
to
downtown.
L
L
This
is
a
zoomed
out
view
of
what
the
broader
vision
for
multimodal
connectivity
looks
like
for
the
city.
The
solid
green
lines
are
where
bike
Lanes
currently
exist,
the
solid
blue
lines
are
existing
Greenways
and
then
the
dashed
lines
are
planned
by
glands
and
Greenways,
and
those
run
the
gamut
of
of
being
simply
lines
on
a
page
to
going
through
a
feasibility
study
currently
to
already
being
designed
to
in
the
near-ish
future
being
bid
for
construction,
and
then
the
the
red
dashed
lines
in
downtown
are
where
this
project
would
would
link
up
to
everything.
L
A
couple
of
the
design
features
that
I
want
to
talk
with
you
about
are
the
fact
that
we've
chosen
to
add
bike
Lanes
on
the
left
side
of
the
road.
So
this
is
something
different
for
the
city.
This
is
something
that-
or
this
was
a
decision
made
based
on
analysis
of
where
various
conflict
points
were
related
to
parking.
Maneuvers
Transit
stops
and
driveways.
It's
a
fairly
common
application
for
one
lane
or
one-way
roadways
to
have
bike
Lanes
situated
on
the
left
side.
L
L
This
is
a
project
that
is
quick,
build
low
cost
and
high
value,
and
what
that
means
is
it
doesn't
expand
the
footprint
of
the
roadway
we're
taking
what's
already
there
and
using
paint
to
re-stripe
the
roadway
to
add
this
facility.
The
project
also
involves
the
addition
of
signage
and
vertical
delineator.
L
So
armadillo
is
similar
to
what
you
see
on
Cox
avenue,
as
well
as
the
they're
about
three
feet:
high
vertical
delineators
that
have
that
are
spring-loaded
and
and
designed
to
withstand
impact,
so
they
can
be
run
over
if
they
need
to
be
so
compared
to
some
of
our
other
capital
projects.
This
is
one
that
could
be
implemented
fairly
quickly
and
for
Less
costs
than
what
you
typically
see.
L
Asheville
also
consistently
ranks
as
one
of
the
top
cities
in
North
Carolina
for
bicycle
and
pedestrian
fatalities.
So
that's
not
a
list
we
want
to
be
on.
This
is
a
recap
or
a
summary
of
public
engagement.
That's
been
done,
starting
in
2022
letters
and
flyers
were
delivered
to
businesses
along
the
corridor,
notifying
them
of
Engagement
opportunities.
L
The
city
held
virtual
stakeholder
meetings
at
a
time
when
we
were
still
working
our
way
back
into
the
world
as
covid
was,
was
letting
up.
We
also
held
walking
tours
where
we
talked
through
the
project
and
gained
feedback
from
folks
who
attended
those
presentations
were
given
to
the
downtown
commission.
L
The
multimodal
commission
and
the
public
Space
Management
committee
and
the
dates
start
here
are
the
the
several
dates
where
staff
made
presentations
to
the
downtown
Commission,
just
in
case
moving
into
2023
in
January,
the
mayor
and
staff
met
with
business
owners
and
agreed
to
hold
one
more
public
meeting.
That
public
meeting
took
place
on
April
19th
and
it
was
a
public
open
house,
so
folks
could
could
drop
in
as
they
as
it
fit
with
their
schedule
and
learn
about
the
project
and
provide
input
before
that
meeting
began.
L
There
was
an
hour
set
aside
for
direct
stakeholders
to
come
and
chat
and
provide
feedback
to
City
staff.
That
meeting
also
kicked
off
the
opportunity
to
complete
an
online
survey
for
the
project,
which
was
open
until
June
5th.
We
had
642
participants
in
that
survey.
This
link
here
gives
you
the
full
survey
report,
but
I
won't
go
over
that
today,
staff
was
interviewed
in
May
for
what's
up
AVL,
which
is
a
city
run.
A
radio
show
at
wres
which
is
along
the
project
Corridor
it's
just
outside,
of
where
the
bike
Lanes
would
be
be
added.
L
L
I'll
also
add
that
in
July,
after
all,
of
the
feedback
was
gathered
primarily
from
the
survey
and
from
the
public
open
house
staff
went
back
to
the
design
and
updated
it
and
then
met
a
number
of
downtown
stakeholders
on
site
to
talk
through
those
updates
and
and
explain
how
that
feedback
was
incorporated,
and
so
that's
where
this
slide
comes
into
play
and
I
just
want
to
kind
of
talk
through
the
Pritchard
Park
area.
This
is
really
where
I
would
say.
L
More
of
the
substantial
updates
occurred
in
the
design
based
on
the
feedback
that
we
received,
and
so
I'll
start
at
the
corner
of
Haywood
and
college,
so
the
the
top
right
and
kind
of
work.
My
way
around
the
triangle,
but
you'll
notice
that
since
the
bike
Lanes
on
the
left
side,
that
means
things
that
existed
on
the
left
side
now
have
to
be
moved
to
the
right
side
of
the
road.
So
that's
where
the
loading
zone
is
five
meter,
spaces
are
going
to
be
converted
to
loading
zone
space
there.
L
The
Tupelo,
Honey
streetery
will
remain
and
then
the
existing
conditions
today,
beyond
the
the
crosswalk
that
you
see
where
it
says,
meter
and
Ada,
those
parking
spaces
will
be
on,
will
remain
unchanged,
jumping
down
to
the
bottom
left.
That
is
right
at
the
corner
of
Patton
and
Cox
again
in
in
hearing
that
loading
zone
space
was
important.
L
There
is
an
existing
loading
zone
there
and
it
would
be
extended
by
one
space
and
then
the
rest
of
that
area
remains
unchanged
as
what
you
see
now,
so
we
have
two
metered
spaces,
two
10-minute
spaces
and
an
ADA
space
jumping
across
the
the
crosswalk
there.
There
would
be
a
metered
space
added
and
now
there's
also
a
new
fire
lane
and
loading
zone
in
front
of
restoration
hotel,
which
is
a
public
voting
Zone
and
then
rounding
the
corner
onto
Haywood
Street.
L
A
L
E
E
C
E
L
C
L
This
sort
of
segues
into
other
top
concerns
that
we've
heard
throughout
the
Outreach
and
engagement
process.
I
think
at
the
top
you
know
again
is
not
enough
loading
loading
space
along
our
curbs,
so
the
project
would
add
approximately
130
feet
of
new
loading
zone
area,
and
some
loading
zones
obviously
would
would
shift
their
locations,
but
none
would
be
removed.
L
Talking
about
or
there's
also
been
concerns
expressed
over
parking
loss
and
that
parking's
unavailable
downtown.
There
would
be
a
net
loss
of
17
metered
spaces.
L
Nine
of
those
would
be
lost
in
order
to
convert
space
into
more
loading
zone
area.
A
lot
of
that
is
going
to
be
on
college
and
patent,
each
between
Haywood
and
Lexington.
L
Again,
no
Ada
parking
spaces
are
being
removed
and
then
also
want
to
just
highlight
pardon
me
as
well
that
parking
garages
are
all
within
there's
several
within
a
tenth
of
a
mile
of
the
project
area.
We've
heard
concerns
over
traffic
congestion
and
that
it
might
increase
because
of
this
project.
L
Staff,
looked
at
the
existing
volumes
per
day
of
vehicles
and
the
existing
volumes
on
College,
Street
and
Patton
Avenue
are
within
the
thresholds
for
single
Lane
streets.
There's
also,
we
recognize
there's
limitations
and
there's
differences,
but
there's
also
comparisons.
You
know
to
volumes
on
other
single
Lane
roadways
in
in
the
city,
Haywood
Road,
Biltmore,
Avenue,
Charlotte,
Street
all
have
at
least
twice
as
much
or
or
more
volumes
or
daily
traffic
volumes.
L
We've
consulted
with
both
APD
and
afd
afds
indicated
that
they
don't
have
concerns
with
the
project
and
that
the
bike
lane
itself,
in
addition
to
the
buffer,
is
wide
enough
for
emergency
vehicles
to
navigate
if
the
traffic
lane
is
blocked,
and
this
goes
back
to
those
those
spring-loaded
delineators
that
I
mentioned
earlier
they're
designed
to
withstand
impact
and
be
run
over
if
needed,
there's
been
concern
that
adding
a
bike
lane
here
is
unsafe
and
providing
dedicated
facilities
for
different
modes
of
of
travel
can
create
more
predictability
on
the
roadway
which
prevents
interactions
and
conflicts
and
crashes,
and
it
could
create
a
network.
L
That's
more
inviting
and
safer
for
all
users,
not
just
bicyclists,
there's
been
concern
over
businesses
losing
money
as
a
result
of
the
bike
Lanes
going
in
there
are
that
moves.
A
host
of
of
links
on
the
project
page
that
accompany
this
bullet
point,
but
demonstrating
that
there
are
many
studies
out
there
that
find
businesses
adjacent
to
bike.
Lanes,
don't
see
negative
impact
and
often
they
benefit
financially,
and
the
last
concern
that
we
have
listed
is
that
the
bicycle
Advocates
are
the
ones
pushing
this
project.
L
So
here's
where
we
are
today
the
design
was
finalized
in
August
2023,
presenting
to
you
today
to
give
you
a
project
update
and
then
our
next
steps
are
at
the
October
10th
city
council
meeting,
seeking
a
resolution
of
support
from
Council
to
implement
the
project.
If
that
resolution
is
supported
or
adopted,
city
of
Staff
would
then
prepare
and
issue
a
bid
for
construction
and
implementation,
and
we
anticipate
council's
consideration
of
that
contract
coming
forth
in
February
or
March
of
next
year.
L
So
to
recap,
today
many
City
plans
and
policies
exist
that
directly
call
former
bike
facilities
downtown
and
across
the
city.
This
project
would
connect
to
existing
facilities
and
future
facilities,
including
Greenways
community
and
stakeholder
engagement,
began
in
February
of
2022
and
ran
through
summer
of
2023.
L
A
J
L
E
Okay,
so
top
Center
five
metered
space
is
converting
to
loading.
Was
this
the
original
presentation?
Did
businesses
push
for
the
additional
loading
I'm
hearing?
Both
businesses
are
worried
about
the
loss
of
parking
and
are
we
going
to
lose
too
much
loading,
so
I'm
wondering
how
we
settled
on
the
five
spaces.
L
Sure
a
previous
iteration
of
this
design
had
a
lot
longer
loading
zone
where
these
three
metered
spaces
are
on
Haywood
Street,
and
we
heard
from
businesses
that
that
was
not
feasible.
A
loading
zone
yeah
based
on
truck
turning
movements
based
on
where
deliveries
would
need
to
travel
to
get
to
to
storefronts
it.
It
didn't
make
sense
and
so
wanted
to
maintain
comparable
length
to
the
loading
zone
that
currently
exists
on
Haywood,
Street
or
I'm.
Sorry,
College
Street,
and
that's
where
those
five
spaces
come
into
play.
There's.
L
M
C
M
E
M
I'm
not
aware
of
all
of
the
consideration
related
to
everything
else.
That's
been
discussed
as
part
of
this
project.
I
know
broadly
for
the
10-minute
curbside
pickup
spaces,
we've
been
removing
some.
Where
we
can.
We
obviously
launched
that
program
during
covid
to
facilitate
more
convenience
for
people
to
pick
up
Goods.
We
understand
that
the
pharmacy
appreciates
that
option
and
so
I
think
that's.
E
E
A
L
Looking
at
crash
data
is
something
that
we're
looking
at
currently
and
historical
crash
data
within
the
project
area
and
so
I
think
post
implementation
as
well.
That
would
be
data
that
we
would
look
at
one
piece.
A
I
mean:
is
there
a
I,
mean
we've
we're
hearing
their
concerns?
I,
don't
I,
don't
know
how
we
measure
such
things,
but
we're
hearing
concerns
that
you
know
loading
times
driving
business
and
things
like
that.
But
it's
multivariate
I,
don't
know
that
this
is
the
only
thing
I
I
didn't
know.
If
there's
like
a
way
to
measure
bike
traffic,
vehicular
traffic
I
know,
you'll
have
traffic
counts
and
things.
A
I
would
like
to
see
some
kind
of
metrics
six
months
a
year
along
that
council
could
take
a
look
at
and
say:
okay,
you
know
we
we
this
is.
This
is
working
or
it's
not
working
in
this
particular
area.
Maybe
it
needs
to
be
adjusted,
I'd
like
to
know
kind
of
like
what
you're,
how
you're
doing
that
from
both
the
business
Community
as
well
as
all
the
other
users
that
the
business
Community
serves
right.
It
needs
to
work
for
everybody.
The.
E
For
that
yes,
October
10th
meeting
you
know,
and
what
comes
to
mind
too,
is
because
this
is
a
challenging
one
at
Council.
Last
time
it
came
to
us,
it
was
split.
I
think
I
ended
up
in
the
unfortunate
position
of
being
a
potential
Swing,
Vote
and
and
that's
one
of
my
concerns
so
like
we
did
with
Merriman
when
there
was
a
lot
of
concern
like
is
this
really
a
good
idea?
E
Is
this
the
right
timing,
and
so
we
left
it
on
the
table
that
if
it
didn't
work
out,
we
could
put
it
back
and
I
think
we've
heard
enough,
you
know
I'm
getting
mixed
input
from
downtown.
Some
people
are
very
adamantly
clearly
opposed
and
others
are
in
support.
So
it
is
a
mix
but
I'm
thinking
that
a
trial
or
data
collection
or
some
kind
of
analysis
would
help
so
that
if
it
were
some
horrible
thing
that
we
would
be
able
to
alter
it,
I'll
be
speaking
more
about
that
with
the
council
meeting.
A
I
A
I
I'll
have
a
lot
of
early
adopters
just
because
we're
hilly
and
that's
a
real
game
changer
for
people
bicycling
and
using
this
type
of
infrastructure,
so
I
think
that
clearly
we're
looking
at
a
situation
where
there
will
be
demand
for
safety
from
a
growing
and
growing
number
of
people
and
I
think
that
we
really
need
to
think
hard
before.
We
deny
this
very
large
growing
group
of
people
who
are
going
to
be
wanting
access
to
public
infrastructure.
I
You
know
in
the
way
that
they
choose
and
that
having
infrastructure
choices
is
going
to
be
really
important
and
so
I'm
very
supportive
of
this
project,
because
you
know
whatever
the
safety
concerns
are
now.
If
we
don't
do
this,
they
will
be
even
more
dangerous
in
the
future,
and
so
this
is
I
think
a
wonderful
opportunity
to
increase
safety,
not
just
for
our
current
residents,
but
for
our
future
residents
and
their
and
their
changing
needs.
I
E
L
E
Conflict
points
or
intersections,
okay
to
your
point
about
e-bikes
I,
think
it's
true,
but
also
things
like
scooters
and
other
modes,
and
you
know
this
continually
comes
to
us
as
a
complete
streets
attempt
you
know,
are
we
looking
at
complete
streets
and
sometimes
I'm
thinking
that
we're
not
really
completed
we're
just
bikes
and
cars?
So
there's
some
ongoing
discussion
around
that
too
and
I
guess
multimodal
has
looked
at
it
before,
but
it's
kind
of
outman
though
Council
will
be
looking
at
some
of
this
all
modes.
Language.
C
A
I
appreciate
that
so
for
for
those
of
you
making
public
comment
on
this
issue,
please
come
forward
state
your
name
into
the
microphone.
We're
going
to
give
you
three
minutes
and
I'll
try
to
be
as
responsible
as
I
can
Mark
set
go
who's
first.
B
B
Why
would
you
do
something
like
that
and
waste
that
much
more
taxpayers
money?
That
is
the
most
ridiculous
thing.
I've
ever
heard,
let's
just
waste
more
taxpayers
money.
This
is
not
working
out.
That
is
crazy,
I'm
about
to
laugh,
because
that's
the
funniest
thing
I've
ever
heard
I
mean
it's
ridiculous.
We
need
safety.
B
You
want
to
talk
about
safety,
hire
security
for
that
Ministry
down
there
get
those
people
help
get
people
from
the
ahope
help
because
they're
running
around
downtown
Asheville
after
they
go
down
there
and
meet
and
get
their
drugs
and
they're
running
around
terrorizing
tourists.
They're
terrorizing
residents,
they're
terrorizing
businesses,
they're
terrorizing
employees,
that
work
downtown,
who
are
scared
to
go
to
work.
A
friend
of
mine
works
on
Wall
Street.
She
is
terrified
they
come
in
there
in
her
business.
One
guy
brought
a
hammer
in
said.
B
N
N
One
is
that
the
requests
for
public
input
is
misrepresented
by
the
the
bicycle
group
advocating
this
this
program,
so
that
that's
just
you
know,
there's
lots
of
dates
listed
for
when
the
Public's
input
was
solicited,
but
there's
never
been
a
public
charette
where
we
actually
could
sit
there
with
the
developers
of
the
plan
and
draw
and
show
from
a
an
occupants
perspective
where
we
see
loading
occur
every
day
so
that
that
I
think
is
is
needs
to
be
mentioned.
But
I
think
the
left
hand.
N
Don't
anyways
the
two
bike
lane
portions
that
go
across
Pritchard
park
now
as
proposed,
are
places
where
trucks
load
and
if,
if
these
little
floppy
things
that
separate
the
bike
lane
from
the
car
Lane
are
meant
for
a
emergency
vehicle
to
drive
over
at
30
miles
an
hour
which
they
will
be
driving
over
30
miles
an
hour
on
their
response
to
an
emergency.
Then
loading
trucks
are
going
to
just
roll
over
them
and
and
they're
going
to
park
there.
N
Those
those
are
current
loading
zones.
The
the
lower
loading
zone
here
on
the
south
side
of
a
pad
and
coming
in,
is
in
front
of
the
hotel
and
it's
not
used
by
any
of
the
trucks
that
are
actually
loading
Freight.
It's
used
for
valet
parking
for
the.
C
N
N
Zone
is
not
really
accurately
defined
as
what
it
is
used
for
now,
and
it
won't
be
used
for
the
hotels
that
is
going
to
lobby
and
not
allow
that
to
be
used
as
a
freight
loading
zone
so
of
the
three
loadings
that
are
shown
on
the
this
particular
diagram.
Much
less.
The
other
portions
that
loading
zone
is
not
realistic
and
and
both
the
bike
lane
areas
that
is
that
are
proposed
are
now
currently
used
for
loading
all
different
times
of
day.
H
Good
morning
members,
my
name
is
Jack
eigelman
and
I
am
a
resident
of
Asheville
and
I
serve.
As
a
member
of
the
multimodal
transportation
committee,
we
sent
a
letter
to
city
council
regarding
the
project
and
we
submitted
that
as
well
as
a
public
record
for
this
meeting,
so
I'd
like
to
encourage
people
who
are
attending
and
looking
at
the
minutes
to
check
that
out
and
I'd
like
to
read
just
a
little
portion
of
it.
I
probably
don't
have
time
and
I'd
like
to
make
some
comments.
H
In
addition,
first
comment:
I
really
want
to
give
a
shout
out
to
the
city's
transportation
department
on
their
thorough
work
on
this
I
feel
like
they've,
done
an
excellent
job
in
soliciting
soliciting
public
comment
and
doing
just
a
thoughtful
job
with.
H
Create
a
project
that
I
think
will
be
beneficial
to
the
city
and
before
I.
Read
portions
of
this
I'd
also
like
to
mention
too,
that
I
am
a
part
owner
of
a
business
that
is
not
downtown.
That's
in
the
river
Arts
District
and
I.
Don't
want
to
speak
on
behalf
of
my
partners,
but
I
will
say.
We
have
definitely
benefited
hugely
from
the
work
that
has
been
done
in
the
river
Arts
District
with
bike
Lanes,
so
I
think
it
can
be
beneficial.
H
That
is
a
different
context,
but
I
still
think
it's
important
to
consider
how
important
bike
lanes
and
pedestrian
traffic
is.
So
let
me
read
a
portion
of
this
letter.
That's
on
the
public
record,
and
this
was
addressed
to
city
council.
The
multimodal
Transportation
Commission
expresses
our
firm's
support
for
the
proposed
College
patent
bike
lane
project
in
the
heart
of
our
city.
H
We
are
advocates
for
safer
and
more
accessible
streets
in
downtown
Asheville
and
are
committed
to
the
principles
at
no
loss
of
life
on
our
roads
is
acceptable
and
that
everyone
in
our
city
deserves
Safe
Streets.
Failing
to
support
this
project
will
discount
years
of
dedicated,
volunteer
work
and
City
staff
time
to
support
a
straight
Safe,
Streets,
objective
and
I'll
skip
just
a
little
bit
to
get
to
some
highlights.
H
H
Abandoning
the
project
would
be
a
significant
departure
from
a
complete
streets
objective
and
would
set
a
precedent
that
city
council
prioritizes
accommodating
Motor
Vehicle
drivers,
above
all
other
users
and
future
projects.
We
also
think
this
important
project
fills
a
crucial
Gap
in
our
larger
Network,
providing
much
needed
connectivity
through
downtown.
H
We
also
understand
and
respect
that
concerns
have
been
raised
from
business
operators
regarding
loading,
traffic,
congestion,
congestion
and
on-street
parking,
and
you
know
I
would
like
to
say
just
to
Echo
a
point
that
you
made
Brian
is
that
you
know
the
multimodal
Transportation
Commission
has
a
wide
range
of
expertise
and
we'd
welcome
the
opportunity,
as
this
project
unfolds
to
problem
solve
and
make
it
work
for
everyone
and
to
councilwoman.
Turner's
point
is
to
really
you
know:
we
are
not
bike
lane.
We
are
not
the
bike
Community.
H
I
Yeah,
thank
you
you're
representing
the
multimodal
trans
portation,
not
representing
them,
but
you're
you're,
a
member
there.
We've
got
a
received
your
your
longer
letter
and
read
it,
and
thank
you
for
your.
A
K
I
am
Patty,
Glaser
I've
been
working,
downtown
and
I'm
located
on
the
bike
route
as
a
building
owner
and
property
owner
for
40
years
I'm
not
going
to
get
into
lots
and
lots
of
details
here.
I've
sent
things
in
previously
and
submitted
a
very
brief
statement,
but
I'd
like
to
just
read
one
last
sentence
of
what
I
sent
in
last
night.
This
has
nothing
to
do
with
whether
or
not
bike,
Lanes
or
multimodal
Transportation
should
be
incorporated
into
downtown.
No
one
is
against
that
concept.
K
The
proposed
remaining
single
Lane
is
not
adequate
to
be
able
to
handle
the
existing
and
increased
congestion,
as
well
as
accommodating
all
of
the
services
buses
deliveries,
pickups
drop-offs
emergency
vehicles,
loading
zones,
parking
Etc
needed
in
this
busy
downtown
Corridor.
The
current
width
of
both
college
and
patton
are
limiting
factors,
move
the
concept
elsewhere
here
and
I.
Think
folks
are
losing
cons,
ing
the
focus
on
that
that
that's
why
all
those
signs
have
gone
up
in
the
businesses
saying
no
single
Lane,
no
road
diet.
K
If
there
were
an
extra
Lane
available
on
those
streets,
curb
to
curb,
take
it
for
that
use,
and
the
couple
other
thing
well,
there's
a
lot
of
things
that
are
misrepresented
in
both
this
presentation
that
was
given
today,
as
well
as
other
ones,
for
example
the,
let's
just
say,
emergency
vehicles
and
again
all
day
long
every
day
between
EMS
police
fire.
K
However,
when
you
talk
to
individuals
in
any
of
those
departments,
they
are
in
fact
concerned
and
they're,
not
speaking
the
party
line,
if
the
curb
the
curb
stays
the
same,
but
one
lane
is
intended
to
be
for
electric
wheelchairs,
those
little
single
wheel,
things,
bicycles
and
then
a
fire
truck
comes
up,
so
you
folks
are
promoting
that.
Well,
you
just
use
that
bike
lane
for
emergency
vehicles.
K
So
where
are
these
folks
that
are
in
the
emergency
Lane
in
the
I
mean
in
the
bike
lane
supposed
to
go
when
these
emergency
guys
need
to
go
through
they're
supposed
to
merge
into
a
gridlocked
bumper-to-bumper
single
Lane,
downtown
traffic,
and
it's
also
going
to
get
more
congested
as
time
goes
on.
There's
just
lots
of
fallacies
in
the
way
this
was
presented,
including
all
of
the
public
engagement
and
including
how
the
meetings
were
set
up,
but
I'll
just
stop
there
with
that.
A
F
A
So
once
again,
we're
not
voting
on
this
we've
already
voted
on
it.
This
was
an
update
provided
to
us.
I
will
say
that
I
expect
that
staff
Transportation
staff,
especially
we're
taking
notes
on
a
lot
of
these
issues
and
we'll
communicate
that
any
any
updates
to
council
as
the
project
proceeds-
and
you
can
also
I,
would
make
sure
and
and
recommend
that
you
let
Council
know
what
you
think
as
it's
presented
the
council.
So
with
that.
A
O
Yes,
chair
Commissioners,
my
pleasure
I'll
wait
for,
should
I
wait,
yeah.
A
A
Of
this
yeah,
the
number
of
changes,
so
this
is
this-
is
what
I
saw
yesterday
right.
They
yeah
okay,
exact
same
thing,.
O
A
E
E
But
still
I'm,
generally
hearing
disc,
while
Clay
is
getting
ready
here,
I'm
hearing
when
we
went
through
the
flat
iron,
we'll
call
it
a
review.
I
was
going
to
say
debacle,
I
met
with
those
developers
who
were
very
angry
that
the
downtown
commission
was
kind
of
proposed
and
they
said
they
had
a
study
with
a
thousand
room
demand.
So
this
is
like
six
something
years
ago
and
the
developers
of
inspire
and
other
hotels
in
this
area
have
told
me
they're
still
a
thousand
room
demand
so.
A
E
F
O
Every
time
we
have
a
meeting,
the
TVs
blink
like
crazy
and
I
come
in
here,
and
they
work
perfectly
great
unless
I
don't
understand
anyway.
All
right,
please,
please
proceed
sir
chair
Commissioners
good
morning.
My
name
is
Clay
Mitchell
I'm,
the
urban
planner
in
the
planning
and
Urban
Design,
Department
and
I'm
here,
to
give
you
some
background,
with
a
review
of
a
of
a
hotel
at
the
top
of
Ann
Street
and
immediately
next
to
the
parking
area
of
the
Doubletree
Hotel.
It's
the
just
to
give
you
context.
O
O
O
So
this
wood
in
this
very
limited
area,
be
the
sixth
hotel,
and
this
is
proposed
and
already
disclosed
as
a
Courtyard,
Marriott
Hotel.
Does
that
help
with
the
context?
Yes,
it
does.
Thank
you
very
much
and
I
lived
right
here,
so
I
get
to
watch
all
this
every
day.
Oh
yeah
I'm
in
the
patent
I'm
in
the
patent
and
I
faced
North
and
so
I
I
yeah.
O
E
E
O
So
let
me
show
you
the
layout
of
the
hotel,
because
this
is
a
very
limited
piece
of
property
and
then
I'll
go
over.
Let
me
set
the
context
first,
this
hotel
has
development,
has
interacted
with
playing
staff
about
some
questions.
I've
responded
to
those
we've
had
a
pre-application
meeting
with
them.
Yesterday
was
an
informal
presentation
to
the
design
review.
Commission.
O
Commissioner
Moffett
was
very
engaged
in
the
discussion.
It's
it's
a
constrained
site
and
we
just
got
the
application
yesterday
for
technical,
Review
Committee,
which
will
be
next
month
and
then
we'll
be
moving
them
on
to
formal
design,
review,
commission
and,
ultimately,
the
Planning
and
Zoning
commission.
O
O
So
there
will
be
a
vehicle
entrance
on
the
west
side
which
moves
it
further
away
from
Ann
Street,
which
is
a
better
location
if
it
was
closer
and
Street
there'd
be
too
many
conflicts
in
that
area,
and
you
you
see
that
it
comes
in
there's
a
drop
off,
there's
a
lot
of
activity
on
that
first
floor
and
then
there's
a
ramp
going
down
to
parking
which
is
below
the
building
and
there's
one
level
of
parking
below
the
building.
O
This
is
a
close-up
of
that
entryway
see
the
typical
sidewalks
and
and
Street
trees
as
well
and
I'll.
Talk
about
the
inside
I
want
to
get
to
the
parking
right
away,
because
the
parking
is
very
interesting.
E
F
There
we
go
okay!
Thank
you
all
right,
so
here
we
go.
O
So
this
is
the
sub
floor
and
the
great
owl
areas
with
the
grates
are
actually
lifts
so
that
everything
will
be
valeted.
You
see
that
there's
one
two
three
four
five.
There
are
eight
Slots
of
Tandem
parking,
so
you
can't
have
people
tandem
parking
that
has
to
be
valid
and
then
all
of
the
the
grade
areas
will
be
car
lifts.
So
people
will
they'll
bring
a
car,
lift
it
Park
another
one
underneath
it
and
that's
that's
how
they're
meeting
their
parking
requirements?
O
There's
some
discussion
with
code
interpretation
because
Hotel
used
hotels
and
Associated
uses
is
the
text
that
says
that
hotels
have
to
provide
parking
on
site
for
those
definition
of
uses,
and
so
the
the
kind
of
the
the
query
is.
If
there's
separate
leasable
space
does
that
have
to
provide
parking
on
site,
and
that
argument
was
framed
really
well
by
the
design
review
commission
yesterday,
where
they
said
we
don't
require
other
restaurants
and
other
locations
to
provide
parking.
Why
would
we
require
a
restaurant
just
because
it's
in
a
hotel
to
to
require
its
own
parking?
O
So
there's
still
some
discussion
about
how
many
parking
spaces
are
actually
going
to
be
provided.
But
you
can
see
the
level
of
work
that
they're
putting
in
to
get
those
spaces
on
site.
F
O
Think,
that's!
That's
that
I
don't
want
I
mean
it's.
Some
I
won't
be
issuing
the
opinion,
even
though
I
have
an
opinion
so
but
I
think
I
think
you're
on
the
same
track.
That
most
staff
is
is.
If
this
is
truly
a
separate,
leasable,
separate
space,
then
fine,
if
it's
the
restaurant,
that's
Is,
the
hotel's
restaurant,
that's
a
an
Associated,
Hotel
use.
The
plans
currently
show
two
restaurants,
though
this
is
on
the
first
floor.
So
it's
kind
of
a
bistro
Style
with
the
restaurant
and
then
there's
a
separate
restaurant
on
the
top
floor.
O
A
I,
if
they
have
that
separate
restaurant
on
the
top
floor,
and
if
they
have
a
public
use,
elevator
that
I
can
come
in
downstairs
and
go
up
to
like
in
the
Capitol
Building
should.
A
You
know
the
way
you
required
is
by
making
them
park.
It.
O
C
E
F
A
E
E
E
I
Okay,
well
also,
then
almost
all
hotels
are
a
policy
there.
If
you
have
a
local
address,
yeah
well
within
50
miles,
so
I
mean
there
is
a
there
is
if
you're
a
local
you
I
mean
they
will
not
serve
you
a
room
and.
I
Pieces
with
that
room,
we're
also
not
only
if
that's
if,
if
having
a
key,
is
a
key
Focus
right
in
so
I,
so
I
I'm,
very
skeptical
that
you
know
the
entire
world
except
the
50
mile
bubble
around
Asheville
is
allowed
to
use
the
dessert.
I
Is
there
anybody
that
actually
lives
here?
You
can't
well
I
mean
I
I
needed
a
hotel
room,
one
time
and
I,
because
I
was
just
moving.
I
just
needed
a
place
to
stay
and
I
had
to
go
through,
like
all
these,
like
I
had
to
go
around
my
elbow
and
to
basically
lie
to
the
hotel.
Just
so
I
could
have
a
place
to
rest,
my
head
and
during
the
move.
O
So
I
I
think
with
respect
to
that
issue.
There
was
some
discussion
with
the
design
Review
Committee.
Looking
at
this,
you
see
the
notch,
which
would
make
a
logical
location
for
a
separate
entrance
if
this
area
is
going
to
be
treated
separately,
so
that
was
that
was
a
good
part
of
the
conversation
and
then
on
the
second
floor.
O
This
is
the
second
floor.
So
there's
an
there's
a
little
outdoor
seating
space
that
you
see
above
the
fitness
room
so
that
you
know
the
shared
amenity
of
the
fitness
room,
not
that
on
the
in
the
lower
part
here
and
then
the
the
outdoor
deck
kind
of.
On
the
second
floor,
which
we'll
have
views
to
the
North
and
the
West,
and
then
we
carry
up
multiple
floors
of
rooms
to
in
it's
six
floors
total
these
are
all
close-ups
and
to
the
top
floor.
O
So
this
is
the
overall
layout
of
the
top
floor
rooms,
and
then
this
is
the
restaurant
and
the
the
L
shape
on
the
left
is
an
outdoor
Terrace
which
will
have
the
views
to
the
mountains
in
both
the
North
and
the
west.
And
this
is
the
this.
Is
the
restaurant
that
has
consistently
appeared
on
the
plan
since
they've
been
submitted
that
restaurant
I
showed
you
at?
O
The
bottom
was
in
response
to
our
comments
about
having
separate
activated
space
at
the
first
floor,
because
it
originally
just
showed
Lobby
space,
which
we
is
clearly
not
meeting
the
requirements.
I
would
point
out
this
thing.
There's
this
weird
seating
area
on
on
the
roof,
yeah
and
and
I
haven't
figured
that
out.
Yet
what
that
is
it'll
be
interesting
anyway.
Here's
here's
some
of
the
elevations
to
show
you
the
fenestration
and
a
little
bit
of
the
treatment
of
the
materials
of
the
building
nope.
O
I'll
remind
Tony
cross
sections
of
the
building
and
then
one
of
the
Museum.
O
Completely
needed
some
work
yeah.
This
is
this
was
the
storyboard
I
guess
you
would
call
it
from
the
architect
describing
how
they
arrived
at
some
of
their
design
conclusions,
a
lot
of
discussion
about
existing
hotels
and
some
of
the
recessed
windows
and
their
approach
to
creating
that
a
lot
of
discussions
about
the
bricks.
What
you
see
here
is
the
result
of
a
interpretation
about
this
step
back
on
the
building
the
minimum
height
that
that
was
determined
to
be
two
stories.
O
There
was
some
conversation
about
there's
some
confusing
language
in
the
code
about
the
right-of-way
width
versus
two
stories.
It's
now
been
determined
that
the
minimum
Street
Wall
height
before
the
step
back
is
two
stories,
and
so
you
see
those
two
stories
there
at
the
lower
part
with
brick,
and
then
you
see
the
the
ethos
and
other
brick
treatments
as
you
go
up
the
up.
The
building.
The
design
committee
also
spent
a
lot
of
time
talking
about
the
entrance
and
what
I
thought
was
most.
O
The
best
point
that
I
thought
was
made
by
the
committee
was
this
side
of
the
building.
This
is
a
very
high
view
area
people
coming
down.
240
in
either
direction
will
be
able
to
view
that
building
and
I
think
the
design
committee
was
pretty
concerned
about
the
Bland
nature
of
this
wall
and
the
building,
and
it
really
should
be
a
signature,
appearance
and
and
I
thought
that
that
was
a
very,
very
nice
input.
O
O
It
probably
is
going
to
lead
to
more
discussions
about
this
and
Street
Carter
Street
possibility
of
making
a
one-way
Loop
they
both
all
boards
have
commented
that,
on
the
last
application,
Planning
and
Zoning
design,
review
and
I
believe
from
my
notes.
This
commission
even
mentioned
that
that
was
an
issue
worth
looking
into
and
then
the
rest
here
are
some
kind
of
elevations
in
context.
This
is
looking
up
Haywood
street
from
the
West
looking
East
any
questions.
It's
it's
relatively
close
to
public
transportation.
A
Although
this
one
is
up
against
240,
so
it
doesn't
have
some
of
the
neighboring
issues
tell
on
the
get
my
sides
right:
the
east
side,
yeah
and
probably
soon
to
be
eight
more
hotels
on
the
West
Side,
quick,
quick
note,
as
David
Works
through
design
guidelines.
He
knows
that
I
hate
the
two-story
thing
and
I
hate
the
plinth
designs.
We
keep
getting
okay.
A
The
the
two-story
requirement
before
you
step
back
is,
is
kind
of
pushing
all
designers
where
they
have
this
like
two-story
piece
and
then
they
have
like.
You
know
it
looks
like
a
pedestal,
a
plinth
yeah,
and
then
you
set
the
column
on
top
of
it.
Yeah
and
all
the
designs
look
the
same
and
like
so
there's
always
like
this.
This
building
and
then
another
building,
that's
sitting.
A
B
A
A
It
can
be
for
75
percent
of
the
way.
There's
a
it's
I.
Don't
know
the
language
is
all
weird,
that's
a
response,
but
it's
not
the
only
response,
and-
and
you
know
we
look
at
Urban
Design,
the
the
facades
matter
and
like
that
arbitrary
step
back
and
there
and
it
forces
them
or
they're
all
taking
it
to
be
that
I've
designed
bottom
two
short
piece
in
one
way:
building
in
another
way,.
A
If
you
think
about
the
really
good
buildings
that
we
have
downtown
there's
a
lot
of
the
older
buildings
or
even
the
art
deco
building
you,
you
don't
get
that
right,
you
can't
do
the
snw
that
way,
you
can't
the
Jackson
building
is
not
that
way.
This
building
is
not
really
that
way.
I
mean
it's
got
a
base
middle
cap,
but
it
doesn't
have
a
you
know.
A
I
A
F
A
Urban
Design
we've
talked
about
that
a
little
bit.
Sustainability,
I
missed
the
green
roof.
Stephen's
going
to
kill
me,
and
it's
similar
to
our
discussion
last
time-
is
that,
for
whatever
reason
we,
when
we
did,
the
the
the
developer
is
not
required
to
tell
us
what
they're
doing
regarding
the
checklist
they're
not
required
the
benefits.
It's
yeah,
it's
not
until
Co
that
they
have
to
provide
what
they're
going
for
for
public
benefits.
E
A
Were
asking
about
this?
Yes,
just
on
the
last
one,
and
so
so
we
we
have
no
idea,
you
know
what
what
the
applicant
will
do,
or
even
and
it's
not
that
they
have
to
do
like
if
they
said.
Okay,
we're
going
to
do
housing
and
we're
going
to
do
public
art
or
whatever,
but
then,
for
whatever
reason
it
didn't
work
and
they
had
to
change.
They
would
have
that
option.
We
always
have
that
option,
but
I
think
they
should.
E
I
I
E
Mean
they
would
be
out
of
compliance
with
their
zoning,
they
could
be
shut
down,
but
they
I
think
that
they
should
have
to
say
that
the
application
and
what
I
worry
about
is
that
you
know
when
that
when
we
first
died,
it
decided
to
have
those
two
funds
that
you
could
contribute
to
I
right
away,
said
who's
going
to
suggest
which
fund?
Where
is
this
going
to
be
their
opinion,
a
staff
opinion
what's
going
to
implement?
A
The
application
and
one
of
the
problems
that
I
have
and
I'm
this
is
not
the
applicant.
It's
not
this
application.
I'm
thinking
more
policy
is
that
what
I?
What
I
keep
seeing
is
a
pay
to
play
instead
of
incorporating
things
into
the
design,
so
they're
precluding
things
like
working
art
into
the
design
or
working
environmental,
you
know
better
Environmental,
Green,
roofs,
higher
thermal
insulation.
A
You
know
Net
Zero
kind
of
kind
of
strategies,
they're
just
moving
that
off
the
table
and
then
they're
they're
gonna,
you
know,
buy
their
their
indulgences
at
the
end
and
I
want
it
worked
into
the
project
from
the
from
the
beginning
and
then
and
push
them
into
I'm.
Not
seeing
very
many
people
go
for
a
green
design,
sustainable
design
right.
M
A
A
O
O
Are
green
and
I'm
sorry
about
using
that
word
and
I
think
if,
if
we
could
get
one,
we
could
start
them
competing
against
each
other
agreed
because
people
come
to
Asheville
and
they
have
that
they
have
that
direction
in
their
life
and
and
that
could
be
a
decision
point
with
a
lot
of
people's
decisions
about
where
to
stay.
If
you
have
22
hotels
and
you
care
about
sustainability,
you
would
choose
the
one.
That's
lead
gold,
or
at
least
that
would
factor
into
the
decision
and
I
I
I
applaud
that
approach
and
I
agree.
A
A
Know
here
I
it's
interesting
because
all
of
these
Hotel
developers,
like
you
say
you
go
to
Nashville,
you
go
to
Charleston,
you
go
to
Chattanooga
just
here
in
the
the
the
South
and
the
Sun
Belt
and
they
all
marry
it
I
guarantee.
You
has.
You
know
Green
roots
and
green
Walls,
and
you
know
stormwater,
recapture
and
gray
water
systems
and
all
kinds
of
stuff
in
different
different
locations.
But
this
is
this
is
operator
driven
driven
and
we
need
the
operators
to
see
that
it's
not
more
expensive
to
actually
are
there.
A
There's
worries
in
the
operation.
Side
of
things
is
my.
My
gut
feel
my
gut
feel
so
I,
don't
clean
the
understand
the
hotel
business,
but
that's
something
I
I,
don't
know
I,
don't
know
how
to
rework
the
wording
so
that
we
can
kind
of
push
for
some
of
this
stuff
up
front,
but.
C
E
I
A
This
one
yeah
this
one's
out,
even
the
next
one,
but
it's
something
I'd
like
to
fix
going
forward.
Do.
C
A
Have
any
other
questions
for
clay
regarding
specifics
on
this
application?
So
we've
talked
about
Urban,
Design
sustainability,
balance
abuses,
Public
Safety
will
be
what
it'll
be
it's
not
effort
to
keep
pedestrian
street.
A
This
is
kind
of
where
we're
pushing
people
I.
Think
in
in
terms
of
the
this
is
the
outcome
of
our
downtown
master
plan.
It's
pushing
developers
to
do
in
the
hotel
overlay
District
this
is
where
land
is
is
is
is,
is
the
most
economically
feasible
for
them
to
buy
multiple
lot
or
the
size
of
lots
that
they
need
to
make
a
hotel
work?
So
someone.
E
A
A
This
will
probably
be
the
only
time
that
this
comes
before
us
here.
Correct
it'll
come
back
to
DRC,
but
this
is
our
so
from
a
policy
perspective,
I'm
I'm,
worried
about
our
design
policy.
That's
pushing
us
towards
this.
You
know,
I
got
a
two-story
thing
and
then
they
stick
the
building
on
top
of
it,
they're
all.
J
A
A
few
very
small
businesses,
they're
they're
all
required
to
have
neighborhood
meetings.
They've
all
had
those
I,
don't
know
if
this
one
has
yet.
It
probably
has
in
you
know
the
in
the
I
think
honestly.
I
O
E
But
this
commission
still
will
the
feedback
that
provided
today,
will
go
back
to
the
applicant.
So
let's
encourage
I'll
personally
encourage
green
roof.
Being
looked
at
yes,
I'd
like
to
hear
more
information
on
whether
or
not
the
Rooftop
Bar
will
be
accessible
to
the
public.
If
the
restaurant
will
be
accessible
to
the
public.
Alongside
my
strong
encouragement
that
both
are
I
mean
design,
wise
y'all
will
get
on
them.
Yeah.
E
I
Again
really
appreciate
the
site-specific
stuff
that
we
get
to
talk
about,
but
you
know
part
of
that
impacts.
Matrix
are
like.
Are
we
looking
at
like?
Are
we
getting
a
mix
of
uses
in
perspective
culturally
I
mean
there's
a
lot
of
no's
that
I
can
that
I
can
offer
without
you
know,
even
going
out
very
far
on
a
limb
at
all
about
this,
and
so
you
know
when
there's
a
difference
between
planning
and
the
site
review
and
we're
stuck
in
conflict
between
these
two
things
somewhat.
A
O
A
Industry
1500
square
feet,
or
something
like
that.
You
know
real
real
small
little
spaces
that
you
know.
I
know
enough
about
things
to
know
that,
like
they're
they're
not
going
to
get
any
money
for
it
because
there's
no
way
they
can
build
that
inexpensively
enough
and
who's
going
to
rent
a
1500
square
foot
space
up
there
at
35
40
a
foot-
maybe
you
know
I,
don't
mean
it's
just
that's
the
level
of
finish
that
they're
having
to
put
in
to
put
it
there,
but
my
goodness
anyway,
I'm
just
concerned.
A
Are
we
getting
the
right
mixes?
Are
we
getting
the
right
sizes
for
people
to
actually
use?
You
know,
I
mean
there's
no
restaurant
moving
into
a
1500
square
foot
space,
there's
not
going
to
be
an
independent
restaurant
moving
into
the
Lobby
or
running
the
bar
for
a
Mariana.
You
know
it's
it's
going
to
be
run
by
the
hotel.
So
it's
it's
doing
it's
it's
involving
the
public
and
and
so
there's
is
there
a
public.
You
know
benefit
to
that
right.
Yeah,
okay,
I,
can
go
eat
there,
but
it's
not!
A
O
It
I
think
the
the
turn
the
separate
leasable
space
comes
from
when
you
have
structured
parking,
because
that's
tribute
is
like
this,
and
so
they
at
the
back
on
Ann
Street,
it's
it
would
have
been
a
structured
parking
would
have
been
fronting
the
street,
and
so
they
have
to
that's
I.
Think
that's
where
that
provisional
conservation,
but
we.
E
F
A
A
Either
I
mean
they're
trying
to
make
a
living
and
run
a
business
you
know
and
forcing
them
to
give
their
entire
first
floor.
To
you
know,
retail.
I
I'm
just
saying
that
when
you
look
at
this
in
like
in
context
and
let's
say
how
many
affordable
housing
units
do
we
add
and
how
many
did
we
just
create
and
demand
from
these
really
low
paying
jobs?
Did
you
know,
North
Carolina
is
ranked
50th
in
the
country
for
pay
in
hospitality
and
lodging
industry
well
at
50th.
J
I
Low
there
are
hostelling
waging
workers
have
the
lowest
pay
in
any
state,
on
average,
Asheville's,
probably
a
little
bit
higher
than
the
rest
of
the
state
average,
but
wow,
but
that's
where
we're
at
and
that
there's
in
the
larger
context
of
what
are
other
pressures
and
on
growth.
Are
we
going
to
experience
from
from
seeing
one
industry
that
notoriously
pays
very
low
copy
and
paste
projects
again
and
again
and
again,
and
the
the
other
public
costs
that
you
can't
see
in
a
proposal
like
this
keep
stacking
up?
I
A
To
move
on
on
the
discussion,
any
any
closing:
do
you
have
any
questions
for
us.
O
I,
don't
think
so.
I
I
appreciate
this
process
that
we've
established,
because
I'm
certainly
going
to
you
know,
reduce
my
notes
into
recommendations
in
the
TRC
report
and
that
will
carry
it
all
the
way
through
every
single
board.
So
this
is
really
a
much
I
I
like
hearing
these
policy
issues
before
we
get
to
the
plan
review
so
that
I
have
no
problem.
Putting
it
in
the
applicant's
mind
that
hey
these
boards
are
talking
about
these
issues
and
it's
you
need
to
start
addressing
them.
O
A
C
A
So
our
next
item
and
I'm
going
to
try
to
flop
through
these
remaining
items,
to
be
somewhat
respectful
of
your
time
since
I'm
30
minutes
over
is
the
I'm
talking
about
the
recommendation,
so
I
have
till
the
end
of
the
month
to
recommend
an
appointment
for
towel
seat
basically,
and
so
no
there's
a
number
of
things
going
on
in
my
head
as
I'm.
Looking
at
this
one,
we're
gonna
lose
Andrew.
You
know
this
year
and
Stephen
Lee
did.
A
So
so
we've
got
a
number
of
applications,
we're
going
to
get
more
applications
coming
in,
but
I'm
I'm
thinking
about
not
only
this
seat
but
the
the
the
the
the
next
seats
and
like
trying
to
keep
not
keep
but
but
like
who,
what
voices
constituencies
things
like
that
yeah,
so
so
so
both
Andrew
and
Stephen
Lee
rotate
off
this
December
yeah
Steven
leaves
it
I
mean
those
are
two
big
voices
that
we're
going
to
lose
and
so
I'm
trying
to
think
of
so
we
we
had
a
number
of
applications
of
with
urban
planners,
and
people
like
that,
but
I'm
thinking,
I'm,
going
to
think
about
those
people
more
for
Stephen
Lee
see.
A
Does
that
make
sense?
They
don't
forgive
me.
The
applicants
that
we've
received
so
far
are
qualified.
You
know
interesting
people,
but
they're,
not
Stephen
Lee.
That's
a
that's
a
big!
That's
a
big
shoe
to
Phil
and.
E
A
A
Would
be
interesting
to
to
you
know,
but
I
don't
know
that
we
need
Chad
right
now
with
both
with
Robin
and
Ricardo
and
myself
on
right.
Now,
that's
a
not
a,
not
a
voice
that
I'm
that's
lacking
in
the
conversation.
We've
got
a
couple
of
developers
on
there,
but
okay
and
we've
got
two
different
realtors
and
then
we've
got
Hayden
and
we've
got
Christina
the
one
that
was
really
interesting
to
me
for
tall
seat.
A
So
there's
two
people
I'm
really
considering
for
tall
seat
right
now,
so
for
for
Andrew
C
and
the
current
applications.
I
think
we
might
receive
some
more
but
Stu
Helms
is
has
applied
interesting
and
it's
an
interesting.
But
it's
a
kind
of
a
that
side
of
things.
So
I
was
thinking
like
when
we
get
to
Andrew's
seat.
I
was
thinking
someone
in
that
in
that,
in
that
realm
would
be
kind
of
interesting.
A
You
know
younger
kind
of
has
that
on
that
side,
no
kind
of
your
side
of
the
fence
for
something
like
that
for
for
tall
seat.
We
got
a
really
neat
application
from
if
I
can
find
him
Jefferson
Ellison.
What?
Yes,
oh
my
goodness,
and
so
for
me
that
that
it
was
Jefferson
or
it
was
Clarissa
Clarissa
Zack,
chief
of
police's
wife
yeah.
So
it's
like.
A
Do
we
go
with
Jefferson
because
he
rep,
we
would
represent
a
voice
that
we
haven't
had
since
we've
lost
Kimmy
I
would
love
to
have
Jefferson
on
this
or
or
Clarissa,
who
would
probably
she's
real
estate
and
also
very,
very
strong
Public
Safety.
So
those
are
the
two
things
so
I'm
gonna,
actually
kind
of.
Basically,
when
I
make
my
recommendation,
what
I
was
planning
on
doing
was
saying
those
were
the
two
names
that
I
would
ask
Council
to
consider.
A
If
council
is
looking
more
for
a
public
safety
kind
of
voice
on
which
tile
was
then,
maybe
maybe
they
would
go
with
the
Clarissa,
but
Jefferson
represents.
E
I
I
think
you
know
the
day-to-day
work
of
like
the
committee
committings
like
that
doesn't
just
just
acquired.
You
know
grievances
about
big
problems
like
Public
Safety
right
it
requires
a
you
know,
get
your
hands
dirty
on
some
really
complicated
things
involving
Place,
making
and
other
stuff
like
that,
and
so
I
think
it's
relatively
easy
to
get
feedback
about
problems.
It's
harder
to
find
skill
sets
that
are
actually
ready
to
go
to
work
and
things,
and
so
that's
those
skill
sets
I.
I
Think
I
expect
to
hear
it's
tough
when
you
got
skills
in
the
gallery
and
you
have,
but
you
only
hear
problems
in
the
gallery,
it's
easier
when
you
have
skills
up
here
and
and
you
get
the
feedback
on
the
problems
from
the
gallery,
and
so
that's
what
I'd
be
looking
for.
So
if
people
was
like
Place
making
skill
urban
planning
stuff
like
that.
E
A
Are
running
way
over
time,
but
we're
going
to
fly
through
the
the
updates,
if
that's,
okay,
his
application
and
I
can
share
these.
A
You
know
basically
he's
interested
from
it
from
from
his
perspective
as
as
leading
tours
and
and
how
how
the
hospitality
industry
interfaces
with
lived
in
Nashville
for
18
years
spent
the
majority
of
my
time
downtown
working
enjoying
the
benefits
as
a
food
tour
guide.
I
I
spent
a
great
deal
of
time,
walking
in
and
around
downtown
Asheville,
getting
to
know
the
business
owners,
the
workers
and
the
visitors
and
as
a
food
writer,
you
know
he's
he's
in
that,
so
he
basically
just
wants
to
be.
A
Yeah
Jefferson
too
anyway,
so
yeah.
A
Need
to
replace
one
seat
right
now:
okay
and
then
in
December,
there'll,
be
two
more
seats
come
available
and
then
we'll
go
through
that.
A
A
It
is
what
it
is:
okay,
let's
move
into
updates
and
reports.
Stephen
Lee
Johnson
was
not
was
barely
here
for
the
meeting
yesterday
and
we
voted
to
with
conditions
for
an
approval
for
the
landscape
and
fencing
for
22
and
27
Church
Street
for
the
United
United
Methodist
Church.
We
had
an
informal
review
for
the
project
that
we
just
saw
and
I
don't
think
we
met
since
our
last
meeting.
So
I.
Don't
think
that
I
think
that's
the
only
DRC
we've
had
since
DTC
has
met
actual
Downtown
Association.
E
E
A
Yeah
homeless
initiatives
is
in
the
downtown
update
reports.
General
downtown
updates.
C
A
M
Franco
with
the
planning
department
just
want
to
highlight
a
few
updates
for
you
all
today
and
specifically
starting
with
some
aspects
of
cleanliness
and
safety.
I
want
to
note
that
moving
forward,
we
intend
to
have
a
representative
from
the
city
manager's
office
attend
and
provide
updates
every
other
month
on
cleanliness
and
safety.
So
look
for
that
next
month.
M
I
don't
have
specific
updates
from
APD
in
terms
of
coverage
today,
but
they
do
continue
to
prioritize
Public,
Safety,
presence,
downtown
and
I
expect
us
to
have
more
updates
on
on
their
level
of
service
soon
the
community
responder
program.
As
a
reminder,
that's
continuing
seven
days
a
week:
nine
a.m
to
nine
PM,
that's
with
our
firefighters.
They
are
out
within
the
downtown,
but
also
across
the
city
and
staff,
is
working
on
finalizing
a
plan
that
that
details
resources
needed
to
continue
this
indefinitely.
So
there's
no
end
date
in
sight
and
to
continue
this
permanently.
M
With
regards
to
homelessness,
we
have
some
good
updates
to
share
and
you'll
find
all
this
in
your
report,
but-
and
this
is
all
related
to
implementation
of
the
National
Alliance-
to
end
homelessness.
Study
Homeward
Bound
recently
opened
the
compass
point:
Village
permanent
Supportive
Housing,
which
offers
85
permanent
Supportive
Housing
units.
So
that's
housing,
87
people
at
60.
M
M
M
So
code
purple
begins,
October,
15th
and
abccm
and
Salvation
Army
will
be
available
and
more
beds
are
going
to
be
offered
this
year
than
last
year.
Hayak
also
has
a
draft
governance
Charter.
So
a
big
part
of
the
recommendations
from
the
naeh
is
to
restructure
the
way
we
make
decisions
and
direct
resources
in
our
community
around
homelessness,
and
so
there.