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C
Good
evening,
everyone
and
welcome
to
the
december
1st
2021
meeting
of
the
planning
and
zoning
commission
for
the
city
of
asheville.
My
name
is
joe
archibald,
I'm
the
current
chair
of
the
commission.
All
the
commission,
members
staff
and
applicants
are
participating
virtually,
and
we
appreciate
your
patience
during
this
time
of
virtual
meetings.
C
C
C
And
using
the
code
9273,
all
of
this
information
is
listed
on
the
planning
zoning
commission's
website
for
future
reference.
Please
note
that
all
comments
that
are
received
prior
to
the
meeting
are
shared
with
all
commission
members.
However,
they
may
not
be
read
aloud
during
the
meeting.
We
make
every
attempt
to
address
any
and
all
comments
received
during
our
discussion
of
the
particular
agenda
item
for
which
we
receive
comments,
we
will
begin
this
evening's
meeting
with
roll
call,
miss
tuck.
B
All
right,
chair,
archibald.
A
D
E
A
B
I
think
that's
everybody,
mr
chair.
We
have
a
quorum.
C
Great
excuse
me
so
the
first
item
on
our
agenda
is
the
approval
of
the
minutes
from
the
november
3rd
2021
meeting.
Is
there
any
discussion?
Does
anybody
have
any
comments
on
those
and,
if
not
I'll,
take
a
motion
to
approve
or
disprove.
C
Okay,
we
have
a
motion
and
a
second
I'll
do
a
roll
call
vote.
When
I
do,
if
you
can
just
say
I
and
raise
your
hand
or
nay
vice,
chair
levi.
G
H
A
D
C
C
The
other
item
that
is
being
postponed
is
the
zoning
text
amendment
to
chapter
7
of
the
unified
development
ordinance
to
update
the
open
space
requirements
again.
Both
of
these
are
being
postponed
until
our
next
meeting,
which
is
january
5th
of
2022,
with
those
two
removed
from
our
agenda,
we'll
proceed
to
the
first
legislative
public
hearing,
which
is
a
request
to
conditionally
rezone
the
property
located
at
235
sardis
road
from
commercial
industrial
to
residential
expansion.
Conditional
zone
property
is
identified
as
pin
962701
8639
in
the
buncombe
county
tax
record.
C
B
The
subject
property
is
outlined
here
in
red.
These
are
snips
from
your
two
exhibit
a
maps,
the
exhibit
a
which
is
the
existing
zoning
and
then
exhibit
a1,
which
is
the
proposed
zoning.
As
I
mentioned,
this
is
a
conditional
zoning
or
rezoning
request
for
the
subject:
property
located
off
of
sardis
road.
B
It's
a
fairly
large
parcel
a
little
over
22
acres
in
total,
and
you
can
see
that
there
are
these
it's
sort
of
unusually
shaped,
and
it
has
these
kind
of
arms
or
tentacles
that
sort
of
reach
out
to
sardis
road
and
it's
through
this
road
frontage
that
the
the
development
gains
access,
but
the
bulk
of
the
development
will
be
located
towards
the
rear
of
the
property
and
the
rezoning
request
is
for
the
purpose
of
constructing
a
large
multi-family
apartment
community.
B
So
the
request
is
to
rezone
the
property
from
its
existing
designation
of
commercial,
industrial
or
abbreviated
ci
to
residential
expansion
conditional
zone,
because
the
project
includes
over
50
residential
units.
The
unified,
the
city's
unified
development
ordinance
requires
a
rezoning
to
one
of
the
city's
expansion
districts.
So
residential
expansion
is
the
most
appropriate
designation.
B
Just
as
the
request,
there
is
a
request
to
rezone
the
property
or
to
change
the
zoning
designation
should
that
be
supported,
we
have
to
examine
the
city's
future
land
use
map
and
see
whether
or
not
the
existing
future
land
use
designation
is
appropriate.
So
the
existing
land
use
designation
is
industrial
manufacturing.
So
that
is
all
of
that
area.
That's
in
purple
or
the
darker
purple,
and
given
the
nature
of
this
proposal
being
a
multi-family
residential
community,
we
would
recommend
that
the
designation
be
changed
to
residential
neighborhood.
Should
this
request
be
supported.
B
It
was
historically
a
very
industrial
part
of
the
city
and
over
time
this
area
is
kind
of
transitioning
from
that
sort
of
heavy
industry
to
there
is
still
a
little
bit
of
industry
in
the
area,
but
it's
lighter
industry
or
more
commercial
in
nature,
and
we're
also
seeing
some
of
these
properties
turn
over
for
residential
purposes
or
other
uses
that
support
residential,
so
that
employment,
anchor
institution
designation
to
the
west
of
the
subject,
property
actually
represents
the
franklin
school
of
innovation,
and
some
of
these
some
of
you
may
remember
the
franklin
school
of
innovation
coming
before
the
commission
for
its
conditional
zoning
request.
B
So
you
again
we're
starting
to
see
more
and
more
residential,
more
and
more
uses
veterans,
support
of
residential
such
as
the
school.
So
a
change
to
the
future
land
use
map
is
is
appropriate.
B
Before
we
look
at
the
site
plan,
I
like
to
look
at
the
existing
conditions,
so
you
can
see
that
the
property
is
currently
undeveloped
and
vacant.
You'll
notice
that
to
the
north
is
a
jurisdictional
water,
that's
harmony,
creek
harmony,
creek
is
one
of
asheville's,
more
significant
creeks.
It
has
a
good
bit
of
water,
it
has
its
own
floodway
and
flood
plain.
So
it's
fairly
significant
body
of
water.
You
can
see
two
tributaries
too
sort
of
in
the
center
of
the
site
that
come
together
and
feed
into
harmony
creek.
B
There
is
an
existing
culvert
that
allows
for
a
crossing
over
that
tributary
and
it
essentially
sort
of
bisects
the
property
to
two
sides:
the
east
and
west
sides.
Again,
you
can
see
those
sort
of
those
arms
of
the
property
that
reach
out
to
sardis
road.
This
is
where
the
property
will
gain
access
into
the
development.
B
This
is
the
site
plan
for
the
proposal.
It's
I
realize
at
this
scale
it's
a
little
bit
hard
to
kind
of
read
the
detail
I'm
going
to
zoom
in
in
a
moment,
but
just
to
see
the
entire
master
plan
it's
in
its
totality.
B
The
project
is
proposing
six
fairly
large
multi-family
apartment
buildings,
and
these
buildings
will
be
built
in
two
phases.
B
B
There
are
three
vehicular
access
points
into
the
property
you
see
to
the
south
of
the
site.
You've
got
two
vehicular
access
points
coming
from
sardis
road
or
that
come
directly
off
of
sardis
road.
There
is
a
third
located
here.
Let's
see
you
can
see
my
cursor
on
the
west
side
that
actually
connects
to
a
an
existing
private
road,
that's
known
as
innovation
drive,
and
that
is
the
private
road
that
primarily
at
least
today
supports
the
franklin
school
of
innovation
and
provides
egress
out
to
sardis
road.
B
However,
it's
not
unusual
for
large
communities
like
this
to
propose
sort
of
a
hierarchy
of
sidewalks,
so
the
the
main
arteries
kind
of
into
the
property
and
across
to
the
two
phases
proposed
10-foot
wide
sidewalks,
and
then
it
drops
down
to
six
foot
wide
sidewalks
for
some
of
the
other
sort
of
more
secondary
connections.
B
10
percent
or
30
units
are
being
set
aside
as
affordable
meeting
the
city's
affordable
standards
of
80
being
affordable
to
those
earning
80
ami
for
a
minimum
period
of
20
years,
and
then.
Lastly,
this
is
a
rezoning
for
a
portion
of
this
property.
It
is
not
the
entire
parcel.
There
is
one
small,
a
little
less
than
an
acre
piece
located
here
on
sardis
road
that
is
proposed
to
be
excluded
from
the
resulting
it
will
retain
the
existing
commercial
industrial
designation,
which
would
allow
for
some
some
commercial
uses
potentially
in
the
future.
B
B
B
So
you
have
phase
one
on
the
west
side,
and
that
includes
four
of
the
six
buildings
as
well
as
263
parking
spaces,
in
addition
to
the
clubhouse
and
then
phase
two
on
the
east
side,
buildings,
five
and
six
105
units,
174
parking
spaces
and
those
on-site
garage
storage
units.
So
those
are
located
here,
sort
of
on
the
south
end
of
phase
two.
B
Overall,
the
applicant
has
provided
a
dimension
of
a
little
over
53
feet,
and
that
is
to
the
very
top
of
this
sort
of
tower
feature
or
parapet.
So
the
overall
height
has
an
appearance
of
being
53
feet,
but
how
we
actually
calculate
is
43
feet.
This
building
is
also
quite
long.
It's
250
feet
long
and
you
can
see
from
this
front
elevation.
There
is
one
primary
entrance
from
the
rear,
very
similar
in
character
and
then
from
the
side.
B
You
have
two
additional
entrances
to
allow
access
in
and
out
of
the
apartment,
building
the
second
building
types
very
similar
in
character
and
design
as
the
first
building
type
again
same
height
same
number
of
stories,
but
it
is
shorter.
It's
only
170
feet
long
and
there's
only
one
of
the
six
buildings
that
is
this
particular
building
type,
this
shorter
or
not
as
long
building
type,
and
you
can
see
again
a
single
primary
entrance,
very
similar
in
character
from
the
rear
and
then
again
very
similar
to
the
previous
building
elevations
for
those
side,
elevations
and
entrances.
B
All
of
our
conditional
zonings
come
with
a
list
of
project
conditions
that
describe
the
features
of
the
project.
We
also
like
to
identify
the
any
exceptions
or
technical
modifications
to
our
development
standards.
The
only
one
in
this
case
is
the
request
to
reduce
some
of
the
sidewalks
from
10
feet
to
6
feet,
we'd
like
to
certainly
identify
the
number
of
residential
units
and
whether
or
not
any
are
affordable,
which
has
been
outlined
and
detailed
in
that
list
of
project
conditions.
B
This
project
also
includes
some
walking
trails
and
the
preservation
of
green
space.
One
thing
that
I
do
appreciate
about
this
project
is:
it
has
relatively
minimal
impact
on
those
jurisdictional
waters
and
preserves
them
as
sort
of
an
amenity
they're,
not
they're,
only
piping,
the
crossing
for
the
stream
and
not
pipe.
You
know
we
see
other
development
projects
that
pipe
streams
and
put
parking
lots
on
top,
so
the
the
streams
are
remaining
daylighted
and
particularly
harmony.
Creek
is
being
highlighted
as
an
amenity
to
the
development.
B
There
are
a
good
internal
connections
between
the
two
sides,
particularly
given
that
they
are
separated
by
this
tributary
and
it
does
the
proposal.
The
entrance
driveways
into
the
property
are
wide
enough
and
the
applicant
has
agreed
to
include
shareros
for
multimodal
access
and
then
most
of
our
development
projects
or
conditional
zonings
include
a
two-year
approval
period.
B
B
And
that
concludes
my
summary
of
the
project.
We
do
recommend
approval
of
this
conditional
zoning
subject
to
those
conditions
and
any
outstanding
issues
related
to
the
technical
review
committee
report
be
happy
to
answer
any
questions.
I
know
the
applicant
and
their
team
are
present
as
well.
If
there
are
any
questions
for
the
applicant.
C
Thank
you,
miss
tuck.
Do
any
of
the
commissioners
have
any
questions
right
now
for
staff?
Yes,
mr
bennick.
I
I
For
the
new
people
to
like
walk
so
basically
that
they're
walking
on
the
sidewalk
in
front
of
their
new
building,
and
maybe
they
want
to
go
to
ingles
or
you
know
the
mall
or
wherever,
but
then
like
the
sidewalk
just
drops
off.
So
how
are
we
going
to
be
holding
like
the
older
projects
accountable
because,
especially
like
in
this
area,
where
there's
a
lot
of
like
older
commercial
places
that
may
stay
there
forever,
and
so
they
may
not
ever
have
to
be
held
accountable
to
build
the
sidewalk.
B
When
we
have
more
sidewalk
connections
like
the
more
of
the
as
these
projects
sort
of
build
out
more
and
more-
and
you
know,
while
we
may
not
have
a
continuous
sidewalk
in
all
areas
as
we
get
these
different
segments
and
the
more
segments
we
get,
makes
these
infill
segments
higher
priorities,
so
certain
areas
that
might
develop
a
little
bit
faster
over
time
or
have
greater.
You
know,
populations
of
people
moving
into
the
area.
B
Those
are
likely
to
get
built
out
a
little
bit
sooner,
just
because
there's
greater
demand
and
then
eventually,
though
it
should
all
fill
in.
We
also
have
recently
strengthened
our
sidewalk
requirements
so
that
it's
a
little
bit
more
difficult
for
an
applicant
to
avoid
building
their
sidewalk,
and
we
have
also
strengthened
and
increased
the
opportunity
for
applicants
to
pay
a
fee
in
lieu.
So
that's
relatively
new.
B
So
if
you
happen
to
be
in
an
area
where
it's
very
low
volume-
or
you
have
other
physical
constraints
that
make
it
impossible
for
you
to
build
a
sidewalk,
you
can
pay
a
fee
and
those
sidewalk
funds
get
added
to
the
pot
and
get
spent
in
the
area
from
where
those
funds
came.
So
it's
it's
true
that
we
will
have
sidewalks
that
are
not
continuous
in
all
areas,
but
over
time.
Eventually,
they
should
eventually
all
get
connected.
D
Hey
commissioners
and
shannon
and
presenters,
I
guess
my
big
concern
here
is
the
amount
of
impervious
surfaces
and
the
storm
water
management
and
I'm
sure
that's
part
of
the
the
review
process
and
I'm
sure
that's
part
of
the
development
process,
just
being
so
close
to
a
tributary
and
so
close
to
french
broad
and
having
personal
issues
or
biases
against
storm
water
management.
D
I
would
just
like
to
hear
from
the
developer
or
the
reviewers
on
what
their
plan
is
for
for
those
issues.
B
I'll
I'll,
let
the
the
development
team-
and
I
think
they
could
probably
address
that
a
little
bit
better
than
I
could.
J
And
on
that
specific
question,
the
impervious
surface
numbers
that
were
in
the
application
are
incorrect.
There's
been
a
revised
sheet
with
correct
numbers,
we've
got
tons
of
open
space
and
that
kind
of
impervious
calculation
is
going
to
be
an
issue
at
all
on
this
on
this
property.
So
if
that
hasn't
already
been
sent
over
to
to
staff,
we'll
make
sure
that
happens.
While
this
hearing's
going
on.
B
I
can
confirm
that
the
project
does
meet
their
impervious
surface
requirement.
It's
not
to
say
that
having
additional
impervious
space
spaces
isn't
a
benefit,
but
it
does
meet
the
technical
requirements
for
that
storm,
water
and
flood
protection.
Those
are
also
technical
standards
that
are
examined
during
the
technical
review
process
and
that
the
you
know
this
project
was
approved
with
conditions,
so
it
either
complies
or
has
demonstrated
the
ability
to
comply
with
all
of
those
requirements.
B
But
I
think
mr
anderson
is
here.
He
may
be
able
to
speak
a
little
bit
more
specifically
about
their
stormwater
management
plans.
D
Thank
you,
miss
tuck
and
mr
swords
and
presenters.
I
I
realize
it
does
meet
the
technical
requirements.
I
still
have
concerns,
so
I'd
love
to
hear
from
the
applicant
what
the
plan
is
and
what
their
what
their
precautions
are
going
to
be.
Thank
you,
though,.
C
And
we
can
certainly
yeah
we'll.
Certainly
let
the
give
the
applicant
a
chance
to
to
comment
on
that
and
and
mr
allen
I'll
just
note
that
your
screen
name
does
not
have
your
correct
name.
So
in
case
anybody
wonders
jesse
swords
is
derek
allen,
so
yeah.
Commissioner
barton,
you
had
a
question
or
comment.
F
Yes,
thank
you,
chair
archibald,
two,
two
questions,
one
just
to
add
a
little
bit
more
specificity
to
commissioner
faircloth's
question
and
concern.
F
You
know
I
think,
in
looking
at
the
stormwater
plans,
there's
some
underground
detention
areas
planned
and
it
seems
like
I'm
sure
that
they're
calculated
as
suitable
for
the
you
know,
end
development
but
being
a
multi-phase
development
with
a
tributary
splitting
the
middle.
It's
going
to
be
a
long
period
of
time
when
this
is
under
construction
and
protecting
the
waterways
during
construction.
I
think,
is
something
that
we
all
need
to
be.
F
You
know
more
and
more
cognizant
of
so
I'd
love
to
hear
details
from
the
applicant
of
how
not
just
are
we
going
to
satisfy
the
stormwater
requirement
at
the
completion
of
the
project,
but
during
construction,
specifically,
what
measures
and
precautions
are
going
to
be
taking
taken
to
you
know
ensure
that
you
know
silt.
Fences
are
maintained
properly
to
protect
the
waterways.
F
Aside
from
the
storm
water
question,
I
this
is
maybe
a
question
for
staff.
I'm
just
curious.
I
know
that
in
the
past,
when
large
parcels
that
were
zoned
commercial
industrial
are
proposed
for
and
a
new
use
and
a
rezoning,
the
economic
development
coalition
has
been
consulted.
But
did
that
happen
in
this
case
and
or
have
they
weighed
in
on
the
loss
of
industrial
property?.
B
The
new
comprehensive
plan
doesn't
emphasize
as
much
it
contemplates
moving
towards
a
more
green
industry
or
a
more
lighter
industrial,
lighter
industry,
industry
and
and
and
since
this
was
commercial
industrial
property,
we
did
not
consult
with
the
coalition.
C
Thank
you.
Do
you
have
anything
else,
commissioner?
Barton?
Sorry,
okay,
thanks
just
a
couple
before
I
open
it
up
for
the
applicant
to
present
I'll
I'll
list,
a
couple
of
questions,
hopefully,
you
can
or
the
applicant
can
address.
I
was
curious
unless,
unless
staff
has
a
has
an
answer
for
this,
miss
tuck,
you
mentioned
that
you
know
the
way
the
kind
of
fingers
of
the
property
came
down.
I
know
that
you
know
looking
at
the
site
plan.
C
B
So,
just
to
clarify
this
parcel
is
not
included
in
the
rezoning.
This
is
owned
by
another
entity.
The
applicant
includes
it
in
their
development
application
because
obviously
their
driveway
crosses
it
so
they're
obtaining
an
easement
from
this
adjacent
property
owner
for
this
driveway.
So
this
property
will
remain
commercial
industrial
and
it
is
just
going
to
accommodate
this
additional
access
into
the
property.
C
B
That
can
occur,
you
can
have
off-site
improvements
or
easements
for
access
across
other
property
and
not
included
in
the
rezoning
or
included
in
other
development
applications,
because
this
property
itself
is
not
being
developed
with
a
multi-family
apartment
use.
If
the
apartment
buildings
were
located
in
this
parcel.
Yes,
we
would
include
it
in
the
rezoning,
but
since
it's
just
that
the
easement
for
that
driveway
bee,
it
wasn't
necessary.
C
It
was
one
of
those
it
looked
like
some
things
were
happening.
I
just
wasn't
sure
if
they
already
had
potential,
you
know
plans
for
that
or
not
so.
Commissioner
simmons,
you
had
comments,
questions.
H
Yes,
thank
you,
so
I
am
curious
in
terms
of
the
number
of
units
dedicated
to
being
affordable.
Is
there
an
opportunity
to
encourage
increasing
the
amount
of
affordable
units
provided.
K
I
was
on
the
same
terms
was
that
10
or
30
units
at
the
minimum
of
what
is
required
by
the
city
and
and
also
the
same
as
miss
miss
simmons
mentioned,
and
I'm
I'm
adding
more
affordable
units.
B
There
is
no
specified
minimum
or
maximum
it's
it's,
not
a
development
requirement
to
include
affordable
housing.
What
is
required
of
a
conditional
zoning
is
that
they
demonstrate
support
and
compliance
with
the
city's
comprehensive
plan
and
affordable
housing
is
just
sort
of
a
front
and
center
goal
in
our
comprehensive
plan.
So
for
a
residential
project,
it's
it's.
It's
a
very
strong
way
to
demonstrate
support
and
compliance
with
the
plan.
B
So
it's
not
unusual
to
see
that
in
these
large
residential
projects,
but
it's
not
a
technical
requirement,
and
so
it's
really
whatever
the
applicant
offers
it's
what
they've
proposed
to
include,
and
that
is
those
list
of
project
conditions
those
actually
come
from
the
applicant,
not
from
staff.
So
that
is
what
they've
committed
to
and
if
the
commission
feels
that
it's
appropriate
or
necessary
to
have
more
in
order
to
demonstrate
that
compliance,
that's
something
that
can
be
discussed
with
the
applicant.
C
Yeah
and
I'd
correct
me,
if
you
know
the
exact
timing
of
this
shannon,
it
seems
like
it
was
about
two
years
ago
that
city
council
kind
of
put.
You
know
again,
it's
not
a
requirement,
but
their
desire
was
to
have
what's
called
in
shorthand
20
80
20
20
of
the
units
at
80
ami
for
20
years,
as
is
what
they
would
like
to
see.
Residential
projects
do
again,
it's
not
a
requirement,
and
it
is
any
of
the
conditions,
certainly
are.
C
If,
if
there
is
something
that
that
this
commission
and
or
even
once
a
project
like
this
goes
to
city
council,
if
they
find
or
feel
like
there's
something
they
would
like
added
to
those
conditions.
If
it
can
be
agreed
upon
with
the
developer,
then
then
those
can
be
written
in.
So,
commissioner,.
F
G
I
had
a
question
about
the
some
of
the
apartment
buildings
being
in
the
100-year
flood,
and
I
was
wondering
it
looked
like
some
of
the
elevations
had
quite
a
bit
of
fenestration
on
those
levels.
Do
we
know
if
storm
water
is
requiring
any
sort
of
barriers
or
change
to
type
of
construction?
That's
not
maybe
documented
on
these
drawings.
C
Okay,
if
there
are
any
other
immediate
questions
right
now,
let's
go
ahead
and
have
the
applicant
do
their
presentation,
and
certainly
we
can
can
take
some
more
time
to
ask
them
questions,
but
this.
Hopefully
this
will
give
you
some
some
opportunity
to
address
some
of
those
questions.
So
I
believe,
mr
anderson,
are
you
going
to
be
presenting
or
mr
allen.
J
I'll
start
out
thanks
very
much
to
the
staff
thanks
very
much
to
everyone
for
their
time
on
this
and
I'll
kind
of
address
the
bigger
points
and
then
let
mike
anderson
who's.
Our
engineer
on
this
project
get
into
a
lot
of
the
technical
questions
that
are
being
asked
about
specifics
on
the
project.
J
J
J
I
think
shannon
saw
some
of
the
things
we
had
presented
recently
on
an
affordable
housing
presentation
that
my
firm
did
with
the
chamber
at
a
recent
policy
event
and
paul
d'angelo
was
speaking
and
and
during
that
we
talked
about
the
lag
time
that
it
takes
to
get
a
project
through
planning
and
zoning
neighborhood
meetings,
trc
city,
council,
post
city
council,
from
the
time
that
we
put
one
of
those
applications
in
for
clients
like
this
to
the
time
that
dirt's
being
moved,
is
a
period
of
about
12
or
13
months.
J
That's
not
even
including
the
build
out
time
so
we're
we're
trying
to
get
these
things
through
as
a
development
community
and
and
this
part's
an
important
part
of
that
that
process.
But
but
we
are
doing
that
and
recognize
that,
and
these
these
these
folks
that
ever
put
this
development
together,
get
it,
which
is
why
they're
trying
to
to
put
a
project
in
the
right
area.
That's
close
to
jobs.
It's
close
to
schools,
fits
the
city's
master
plan
and
does
provide
that
housing
stock.
J
Ami
mr
archibald
had
talked
about
this
20
80
20.,
that
20
80
20
is
most
often
seen
when
you
are
requesting
from
the
city
luigi
grants
which,
on
average
ends
up
being
about
80
000
that
the
city
gives
and
tax
rebates
to
a
project
like
this
to
do
it
we're
not
asking
for
those
that
this
developer
has
not
asked
for
those,
and
so
the
number
is
not
20
of
the
affordable
housing,
the
units
being
dedicated
to
affordable
housing,
rather
10
of
the
affordable
housing,
and
that's
all
on
the
back
of
this
developer,
with
no
city
involvement.
J
I
would
be
remiss
if
I
didn't
mention
that.
Putting
that
kind
of
commitment
out
is
is
a
big
deal.
It's
expensive
to
build
these
kinds
of
units.
It
gets
more
expensive.
J
Every
time
we
get
new
materials
in
they're
coming
in,
we
hear
about
how
expensive
things
are
to
develop
and
to
develop
those
and
to
dedicate
those
for
affordable
housing
is
a
big
deal,
and
so
just
to
say,
you
know,
can
you
do
more
here
just
because
we
need
them
in
the
community
is
not
terribly
fair
to
individual
developers
when
these
folks
are
at
go
ahead
and
putting
in
that
that
10
commitment
from
the
beginning,
in
addition
to
the
80
ami
they're,
agreeing
to
deed,
restrict
that
property
for
a
period
of
20
years,
so
those
affordable
units
don't
go
away.
J
J
This
project
is
a
it's
a
big
look
for
affordable
housing,
but
also
it's
a
lot
of
units
that
are
going
in
at
a
time
when
we
need
them
in
our
community.
This
project
will
be
built
out
over
two
phases
and
I'll.
Let
mike
talk
a
lot
about
the
phasing
there,
but,
as
we've
gone
through
this
project,
we've
looked
at
a
couple
of
different
things.
The
first
thing
was
the
city's
master
plan
to
make
sure
that
we're
doing
something
that
made
sense.
The
second
is
in
this
community.
Does
it
make
sense?
J
Are
we
putting
the
right
things
in
place?
In
addition
to
that,
we've
looked
at
what
the
trc
comments
were,
as
we
went
through
staff
trc
and
every
single
thing
that
staff
recommended
as
a
condition
we
put
in
and
then
when
planning
and
zoning
staff
took
their
final
edits
and
suggested
conditions
to
us.
We've
adopted
all
of
those
as
our
own
and
are
offering
up
those
as
conditions
this
afternoon
shannon-
and
I
were
working
through
fine-tuning
those
we
are
about
98
of
the
way
there.
J
We
don't
have
any
objections
to
what
we
have
put
forth
as
our
intended
conditions
with
this
project.
These
intended
conditions
include
considerable
open
space.
It
will
be
the
greater
of
15
of
the
project
area
or
it
will
be
500
square
feet
per
unit.
Whichever
is
greater,
we
will
do
that,
so
it's
going
to
be
somewhere
between
140
000
square
feet
and
150
000
square
feet
of
dedicated
open
space.
J
We've
got
an
extensive
trail
system
and
we've
agreed
to
extensive
landscaping
pieces
I'd
like
to
go
ahead
and
pull
mike
anderson
on
to
start
to
address
some
of
these
specific
questions
dealing
with
impervious
area,
both
after
construction
and
during
construction,
as
well
as
the
fenestration
piece
mike.
Are
you
available
to
jump
on
now.
L
I
sure
am
thank
you
for
having
me
I'm
mike
anderson,
with
advantage
civil
engineering
we're
the
engineer
of
record
for
the
development,
so
it
I
would
like
to
just
talk
about
a
couple
of
the
the
highlights
and-
and
this
will
lead
into
answering
some
of
the
questions
that
were
raised
earlier
in
addition
to
doing
the
affordable
units
adding
things
like
the
bike
lanes,
building
greenways
along
omni
creek.
Those
are
all
things
that
allow
for
people
to
travel
safely
within
the
community
over
time.
L
L
We
see
that
as
a
huge
benefit
and
that's
one
of
the
things
that
my
clients
and
have
encouraged
us
to
include
throughout
this
whole
process.
You
know
right
now:
sardis
road
probably
isn't
the
most
comfortable
way
to
travel
by
bike
within
the
city
of
asheville,
but
over
time,
as
you
know,
dod
does
road
improvement
projects
as
additional
projects
get
developed.
You
start
to
build
those
connections
from
an
environmental
standpoint
on
the
unnamed
tributary
and
also
along
portions
of
the
harmony
creek
there's
some
pretty
severe
bank
erosion
in
that
tributary.
L
From
an
impervious
standpoint,
the
maximum
allowed
impervious
area
in
this
district
would
be
eighty
percent
impervious
we're
hovering
around
the
forty
percent
impervious.
So
you
know
significantly
lower
than
what
the
maximum
would
be
allowed
in
that
area.
L
L
Floodway
floodway
is
considered
the
critical
flow
path
for
flooding
events,
so
we
don't
want
to
put
storm
water
controls
in
those
areas
or
or
have
major
impacts
to
the
elevations
of
the
ground
in
that
area,
and
so,
when
you're
providing
the
parking
and
you
have
these
buildings,
it
really
limits
our
ability
to
do
storm
water
any
place
other
than
underground,
so
that
that's
our
preferred
tool
for
a
project
like
this.
L
When
you
look
at
the
grading
plans,
we
will
have
a
phase
grading
plan
and
we'll
work
with
city
staff
to
have
that
approved.
L
We
don't
like
to
see
the
entire
property
opened
up
at
one
time
during
grading
activities,
because
it
does
get
to
be
more
difficult
to
manage.
So
we'll
try
to
phase
our
dirt
moving
stabilize
ground
get
permanent
ground
cover
as
much
as
we
can
before.
We,
you
know,
move
on
to
other
areas
and
do
that
dirt
moving.
We
included
the
adjacent
property
as
part
of
our
agreement
and
getting
our
easement
for
our
secondary
access.
L
We
negotiated
with
them
and
we're
going
to
provide
them
some
buildable
pads
so
that
they
can
do
their
applications
and
have
future.
You
know
development
plans.
We
don't.
I
don't
think
that
those
have
been
developed
or
considered
very
far
just
yet,
but
we
are
making
some
provisions
as
part
of
our
agreements
with
them.
L
L
After
any
significant
rainfall
events
say,
you
know,
essentially
an
inch
of
rainfall
or
more
those
inspections
include
going
around
to
every
erosion
control
measure,
making
sure
that
they're
working
properly,
if
they're
not
working
properly
to
to
do
those
repairs
immediately,
so
so
that
everything
is
in
good
shape
before
the
next
rainfall
event.
L
Let's
see
here
as
far
as
the
flood
plain
goes,
there
is
a
significant
amount
of
area
on
the
property
that
is
within
the
hundred
year.
Flood
plain
our.
What
we
are
going
to
be
doing
is
raising
the
elevations
the
finished
floor.
Elevations
of
those
buildings
two
feet
a
minimum
of
two
feet
above
the
flood
elevation,
and
so
that
will
provide
protection
to
those
structures.
L
As
part
of
that
permit
process,
we
work
with
fema
to
revise
the
flood
maps
and
to
relocate
the
floodplain
lines
so
that
so
that
as
fema
does
their
modeling
moving
into
the
future,
their
maps
are
updated
and
they're
aware
that
we
have
structures
here,
the
structures
would
be
outside
of
those
floodplain
areas,
and
you
know,
residents
are
essentially
protected.
That
way.
L
You
know
it's
important
that
we're
protecting
both
public
safety
and
also
the
the
value
of
the
structures
and
the
land
and
that
the
flood
permitting
not
only
goes
through
fema,
but
it
also
is
handled
by
a
local
administrator
who's.
An
employee
of
the
city
of
asheville
traffic
study
traffic
study
came
back
and
we're
working
with
dot
to
make
sure
that
the
recommended
improvements
will
satisfy
them
when
we,
when
our
traffic
engineer,
who
is
with
us
today.
L
So
if
there's
detailed
questions
we'll
ask
david
to
speak
to
those,
they
coordinate,
how
the
traffic
study
is
done
with
ncdot,
they
determine
a
project
study
areas
they
take
in
to
account
other
projects
that
are
approved
in
the
area,
going
through
approval
process,
and
then
they
also
account
for
growth
over
time
and
in
our
recommendations,
we're
going
to
be
doing
some
signalization
improvement
at
the
intersection
of
sardis
road
and
brevard
road.
It's
pretty
long
ways
from
the
project,
but
the
study
indicated
that
that
would
be
helpful
to
move
traffic.
L
We're
going
to
provide
a
hundred
feet
of
generalized
storage
within
our
as
you're
exiting
our
property
100
feet
of
generalized
storage
allows
for
essentially
five
cars
to
stack
up
and
wait
their
turn
to
turn
onto
sardis,
and
we
also
have
a
innovation
drive
that
we
we
share
with
the
franklin
school
of
innovation
in
our
neighborhood
meeting.
L
That
was
a
a
topic
of
discussion.
So
the
school
or
all,
schools
have
to
go
through
an
msta
process.
That's
their
driveway
permit
process
to
make
sure
that
they
have
adequate
staging
within
their
property
for
school,
drop-off
and
pickup
of
students.
L
Their
current
permit
requires
a
right
turn
exit.
Only
our
our
recommendation
in
the
tia
is
for
us
to
include
a
left
turn
out
of
the
property
before
we
could
agree
or
have
that
as
a
condition
we'll
have
to
coordinate
with
the
franklin
school
of
energy.
L
Innovation
make
sure
that
they're
on
board
with
that
as
a
want
or
need,
and
also
make
sure
that
ncdot
is
okay
with
that
it
may
trigger
some
improvements
of
traffic
movement
within
the
school
itself
and
again
they
would
need
to
be
a
part
of
that
conversation
before
we
did
anything
and
it's
a
third
entrance
for
us.
So
we
think
we
have
some
flexibility
if
there's
concerns
from
dot
or
the
school.
As
far
as
how
that
that
exit
would
operate.
L
B
L
A
C
I've
got
a
couple
of
questions
for
you,
mr
anderson,
but
janice
did
you
have
a
question.
E
Sorry
I
had
a
quick
clarifying
question.
Mr
anderson,
you
mentioned
greenways
and
I'm
looking
at
the
conditions.
I
see
general
walking,
paths
and
trails.
I
didn't
know
if
you
meant
there
would
be
if
this
ties
into
a
city,
greenway
plan
and
if
you're
going
to
be
dedicating
any
greenway
space.
I
just
didn't
see
that
listed
in
the
conditions
specified.
L
It's
not
included
as
a
condition
of
the
approval,
but
you'll
see
on
the
plan.
It's
almost
a
like
a
figure.
Eight
or
you
know
the
trails
are
along
the
harmony
creek
and
we
have
the
loops
to
encourage
exercise
and
that
sort
of
activity
on
the
property
and
we're
building
those
all
the
way
to
our
property
line,
so
that
if
there
is
any
future
greenway
connections
that
they
can
tie
on,
I
don't
have
a
copy
of
the
greenway
master
plan
with
me
this
evening,
but
we
know
that
harmony.
L
Creek
has
been
at
least
discussed
as
a
as
a
priority
for
potential
of
future
greenways,
and
these
would
be
eight
foot
wide
paths
in
that
area
and
ada
accessible
for
you
know,
making
those
accessible
to
the
public.
B
Okay,
so
I
yeah
I
I
classified
these
or
I
characterized
them
in
the
conditions
as
walking
trails,
because
our
greenway
system
you
know,
would
require
greenway
easements.
It
would
require,
I
think,
wider
than
eight
feet.
I
didn't
think
that
was
this
project's
intense.
So
if
it
was
this
project's
intent
to
potentially
provide
easements
and
walking
paths
that
would
support
or
be
part
of
the
city's
system,
then
it
might
be
good
to
get
that
clarification.
B
The
greenway
master
plan
actually
shows
the
alignment
on
the
opposite
side
of
the
creek,
so
I
I
had
assumed
and
probably
should
have
checked
with
you
further
mike
that
this
might
connect
to
that
system
in
the
future,
but
not
necessarily
be
part
of
the
system.
L
C
Okay,
a
couple
of
questions,
mr
anderson,
you
mentioned
I'll,
go
for
the
first
one
that
you
were
the
most
recent
you
were
talking
about
the
the
traffic
improvements
I
noted
in
the
staff
report.
It
talks
about
a
turn
lane
if
you're
heading
eastbound
on
sardis
road,
a
left
turn
lane
heading
eastbound
on
sardis
road
into
innovation,
drive
there's
already
one
there.
C
C
It
sounded
like
what
you
were
talking
about
with
the
left
turn
out
of
innovation
drive
again,
I
wasn't
sure
which,
which
one
you
were
talking
about.
Are
you
talking
about
you
know
my
understanding
is
that
road
is
kind
of
a
loop.
It's
an
in
one
end
out.
The
other
end
correct.
L
It
is
and
our
I
don't
believe
that
well
david,
if
you
can,
I
may
ask
david
hyder
to
speak
to
that
in
a
little
bit
more
detail,
but
believe
that
it
was
just
a
left
turn
out
on
innovation
drive
not
on
sardis,
but
I
don't
want
to
speak
incorrectly.
L
Yeah
yeah,
so
I
think
the
staff
report
just
included
the
the
wrong
street
there
for
the
left
turn.
C
Okay,
that
makes
sense.
Are
there
any
things,
and
I
don't
want
to
have
this-
become
a
discussion
about
traffic,
but
since
we
do
have
mr
hyder
here
from
teague,
are
there
any
salient
points
within,
say,
45
seconds
that
you
wish
to
discuss.
M
I
would
I
would
prefer
not
to
every
we
made
some
adjust
most
of
the
changes
we
made
involve,
signal,
timings
and
so
and
those
are
easily
done
in
the
field
on
a
on
a
very
straightforward
basis.
So.
C
Okay,
thank
you.
As
far
as
the
floodplain
I
had.
I
also
had
a
question
about
that,
and
it
relates
to
you
know,
primarily
the
buildings
I
would
say
that
are
in
phase
two,
but
certainly
there's
one
in
phase
one
there's
also
shown
segmental
retaining
walls
on
the
essentially,
what
would
be
the
harmony
creek
side
they're
listed
out,
and
I'm
sure
that
this
is
not
the
case.
It's
you
know
kind
of
the
generic
designed
by
others,
12
foot
max
height,
but
I'm
just
curious.
What
do.
D
C
See
those
walls
being
because,
obviously
that's
how
you're
raising
your
base
flood
elevation.
So
I'm
just
kind
of
curious.
What
do
you
see
those
behind
buildings?
You
know
it's
kind
of
the
one
here
looking
at
the
screen
in
the
kind
of
upper
upper
middle
and
then
down
towards
that
lower
corner.
What
do
you?
What
do
you
expect
those
retaining
wall
heights
to
be
realistically
to
get
to
your
base?
Flood
elevation
for
that
flat
pad.
L
All
right
give
me
just
a
moment
to
drive
over
to
those
plans,
but
essentially
what
I
described
the
floodway
as
being
the
critical
flow
path,
and
you
know,
fema-
discourages
any
work
in
within
the
flood
ways.
So
we
have
retaining
walls
to
hold
up
some
slopes
as
we
got
into
a
couple
pinch
points,
but
we
would
have
I'm
thinking
that
they're
in
the
12
foot
range
plus
or
minus.
Well,
let's
see
here
there.
L
I
have
a
slope
and
some
of
that
too,
we
have,
you
know
we'll
have
some
stairway
access
down
our
fill
slopes
to
those
our
fill
slope
ranges
from
14
to
approximately
20
feet
in
height,
any
retaining
walls
on
the
site
would
require
building
permits
and
the
udl
udo
also
has
screening
requirements
for
those.
C
And
I
guess
I
guess
some
of
the
question
is:
is
that
a
retaining
wall
or
is
it
somewhat
slope
with
a
shorter
retaining
wall?
I
mean
you're
talking
about
that
there
will
be
potentially
a
20-foot
retaining
wall.
You
know
right
along
the
edge
of
that
walkway.
They
are
kind
of
in
that
that
image
you're
showing
right
now
or
is
it
mostly
slope
and
then
say
a
four-foot
retainer.
L
L
C
Yeah
definitely
kind
of
related
to
that,
and
I
know
it
came
up
with
a
couple
of
the
other
commissioners.
You
know.
Obviously
there
are
requirements
with
working
within
the
100
and
500
year,
floodplain
and
you're
doing
some
rework
of
the
grades
within
those,
and
you
know
certainly
understandable.
Fema
is
going
to
be
involved.
What
what
impacts
are
they
or
is
anyone
looking
at
downstream
due.
M
C
This
reconfiguration
of
grade
that
is
actually
taking
place
in
the
100
year,
floodplain.
L
So
how
fema
sets
their
base
flood
elevations?
L
Is
they
assume
that
all
the
floodplains
have
been
filled
above
or
you
know,
essentially,
are
all
filled
up,
and
then
they
determine
what
the
rise
of
the
water
elevation
would
be
and
they
call
that
the
base
flood
elevation,
so
fema's
models
incorporate
the
fact
that
flood
plains
may
be
filled
and
and
impacted,
and
that's
why
they
so
tightly
regulate
the
flood
way
portion
that
critical
flow
path?
C
Thank
you
for
that
yeah.
I
went
over
to
that
property
today
and
walked
down
in
there
and
just
was
kind
of
curious
about
all
that,
and
you
know
I
certainly.
I
definitely
want
to
commend
you.
I
think
it's
it's
nice.
The
way
you
have
laid
this
out
kept
the
juristic.
You
know
this
stream
that's
running
through,
provided
those
buffers
around
there.
I.
C
Done
a
a
really
good
job
to
be
able
to
provide
that
open
space
and
and
maintain
some
of
those
tree
canopies
that
are
around,
so
I
I
definitely
commend
you
all
for
that.
F
Thank
you,
chair,
archibald
yeah.
I
would
echo
that
sentiment.
You
know.
I
think
that
this
is
a
challenging
shaped
parcel,
and
so
I
I
certainly
commend
the
keeping
streams
daylight
being
incorporated
into
the
you
know.
Final
development
plan,
but
you
know
the
technical
modification
being
requested
is
around
sidewalk
width
and
looking
at
the
site
plan,
you
know
just
a
quick
scan.
It
seems
extremely
reasonable
to
keep
two
six
foot
sidewalks.
F
You
know
that
serve
one
building
and
then
I
think
there's
a
ten
foot
sidewalk
out
to
sardis
road
and
then
the
what
were
being
called
greenways
but
just
walking
paths
along
the
harmony
creek
are
labeled
as
10
feet
in
the
application
packet.
That
all
seems
very
reasonable.
So
on
the
technical
modification
being
sought.
I
I
see
no
reason
not
to
support
this.
I
didn't
hear
an
answer
to
the
question
around
acceptance
of
section
8
vouchers,
and
so
I
just
like
to
take
an
opportunity
to
you
know
implore
the
applicant
to
consider
this.
F
I
know
it's
a
voluntary
commitment
that
the
applicant
is
making
to
provide
even
any
affordable
units,
and
so
that's
very
much
appreciated
80
ami
rents.
Right
now
for
a
one
bedroom
or
in
excess
of
a
thousand
dollars,
two
bedroom
in
excess
of
1200
and
a
three
bedroom
in
excess
of
1400.
F
What
the
section
8
voucher
allows
is
it
opens
up
that
unit
to
a
family
that
you
know
is
at
a
much
deeper
affordability
level.
So
I
I
really
hope
that
the
applicant
would
consider
it
it
comes
with.
You
know,
guaranteed
rent.
So
if
there
is
say
a
global
pandemic
and
people
are
unable
to
pay
rent,
the
section
8
voucher
still
has
tremendous
value.
So
you
know.
J
And
I'll
go
ahead
and
jump
on
that
not
to
cut
off
commissioner
faircloth.
But
to
answer
commissioner
barton
one
thank
you
for
really
getting
the
affordable
housing
piece
and
recognizing
that
it's
voluntary
from
the
developer
and
it's
a
big
commitment
and
when
I
dropped
off
from
the
video
I
actually
was
checking
in
with
my
client
to
make
sure
that
they
were
okay
with
the
vouchers.
And
I
can
report
back
to
to
you,
commissioner
barton
and
this
board
that
they'll
accept
vouchers
on
this
project
with
their
10,
affordable
housing,
commitment.
C
Well,
thank
you
very
much,
mr
allen,
and
please
convey
that
to
your
client
as
well
and
and-
and
you
did
all
before
I
have
commissioner
faircloth
chime
in
I.
I
do
appreciate
you
kind
of
clarifying
what
I
mentioned
mr
allen,
and
I
do
very
much
appreciate
that
the
developer
is
coming
not
asking
for
the
luigi
from
the
city.
You
know
certainly
what
you
had
mentioned:
the
80
000
and
that's
80
000
per
unit.
C
Typically,
you
know
that
that
is
it's
an
investment
that
the
city
has
to
make,
but
if
the
city
doesn't
have
to
make
that
that's
that's
great
as
well,
so
definitely
appreciate
the
the
client,
your
client
willing
to
step
up
at
the
10
all
in
on
their
on
their
own
dime.
So
thank.
D
Hey,
I
want
to
say
thank
you
to
mr
allen
and
mr
anderson
ace
engineering
and
the
the
applicant
for
their
willingness
for
affordable
housing.
That
means
a
lot
to
me
and
I'm
very
excited
about
that.
What
I'm
about
to
say
is
not
at
all
an
attack
on
the
developer,
I'm
just
nervous
about
the
regulation
of
the
erosion
during
the
project,
and
I
realized
you
know.
D
The
developer
is
being
certainly
willing
to
commit
to
the
regulatory
standards,
city,
ordinances
and
such
I
just
wanted
for
public
comment
or
not
public
comment,
but
a
public
record
to
make
sure
that
it's
known
that
there
is
serious
concerns
about
that
and
and
that's
not
something
mr
allen
or
mr
anderson
necessarily
respond
to
I'm
just
nervous
about
that.
But
thank
you
and
I
I
very
much
enjoy
your
presentation.
C
L
You
shannon,
if
I
may
ask
a
question:
you
know
we
we
haven't
included
anything
about
the
stream,
restoration
and
stream
bank
stabilization
today,
even
though
it's
been
discussed
a
little
bit
as
we
headed
to
this
point,
do
we
need
to
include
anything
in
the
conditions
about
being
able
to
disturb
within
the
existing
30-foot
stream
buffer
in
order
to
do
that,
activity
or
I
figured
it'd
happen
at
a
staff
level
during
the
technical
design
and
review
process,
but
just
since
we
were
here
it
just,
I
just
thought
of
that
might
be
an
issue
to
consider.
B
Probably
best
I'll
double
check
with
our
stormwater
staff,
but
my
understanding
is
you're
allowed
to
disturb
within
the
buffer
when
it's
for
the
purpose
of
restoration
or
planting.
So
I
I'll
make
sure
we
get
that
described
appropriately
in
our
conditions.
But
I
would
I
was
going
to
ask
a
similar
question,
which
is
we
haven't
highlighted
that
as
a
project
condition,
and
I
think
it
may
be
worth
doing
so
because
it
it
just
further
demonstrates
support
of
the
city's
comprehensive
plan
if
you're
a
restorer
in
a
jurisdictional
body.
B
J
Something
like
that,
I'm
not
I
don't
know
who's
going
to
talk,
sorry
to
cut
you
off
and
I
can
work
with
with
with
janice
and
shannon
on
this.
I
get
nervous
when
we
start
to
put
things
in
that
are
covered
in
other
parts
of
the
ordinance.
If
we
do
much
more
than
say
this
is
covered
in
other
parts
of
the
ordinance
and
we
will
comply
with
that
because
it
starts
to
muddies
up
money.
B
Restoration
isn't
covered
in
the
internet,
it's
not
it
required.
So
I
don't.
I
don't
know
when
you
know
so.
Restoration
can
mean
a
lot
of
different
things.
So
I
think
what
we
need
probably
is
a
little
bit
more
information
mike
from
you
and
your
team
as
to
what
that
includes,
and
if
this
is
something
that
goes
above
and
beyond
what's
required,
then
I
think
that
that's
worth
highlighting.
L
We're
certainly
happy
to
highlight
it.
There
is
a
pretty
intensive
permit
process
as
we
go
through
that,
so
we
haven't
presented
it
as
a
must-have
or
it's
it's
a
project
goal,
but
we
don't
know
100.
What's
all
going
to
be
involved
with
that,
I've
been
involved
in
a
couple
of
other
projects
where
we've
done
that
with
great
success
and
we're
able
to
do
it
well
within
budget.
L
We
know
that
there's
some
issues
with
the
the
existing
stream
banks
out
there
and
we
want
to
correct
those,
but
I
just
want
to
be
careful
about
it
being
tied
to
a
must
with
a
project
approval,
even
though
we
know
it
something's
going
to
have
to
be
done,
but
I
just
want
to
be
careful
about
how
we
can
get
to
that.
B
C
Well-
and
I
was
going
to
say-
I
certainly
commend
you
guys
for
for
doing
that.
Mr
allen,
mr
anderson
and
I
I
was
going
to
suggest
that
we
probably
don't
include
it
tonight
in
the
conditions,
because
the
little
bit
that
I
do
know
about
dealing
with
stream
restorations
and
that
you're
correct.
Mr
anderson,
I
mean
there's
a
big
process
there
and
it
can
mean
a
lot
of
different
things,
so
I
would
feel
on
I.
C
I
would
like
it
if
you
guys,
if,
if
your
team
agrees
to
doing
that,
I
would
love
to
see
that
as
a
condition,
because
then
it
holds
you
to
that.
But
I
also,
on
the
other
hand,
right
now
tonight
would
feel
uncomfortable
putting
that
on
you
without
having
that
really
detailed,
because
I
know
that
is
just
a
huge.
J
C
Just
to
clarify
for
the
conditions
that,
let's
see
which
number
is
it
shoot
I
just
had
it
here.
It's
on
the
first.
O
C
Number
10
of
the
project
conditions
where
it's
talking
about
the
total
number
units
designated
80
ami,
that
there
would
be
the
line
included,
that
you
would
accept
section
8,
housing
vouchers
would
that
be
for
all
of
them
or
a
portion
of
them,
because.
M
E
And
I
just
want
to
clarify,
because
there
are
times
like
when
we
do
have
a
luigi,
where
we
say
that
a
certain
percentage
of
those
units
will
go
to
section
8
vouchers,
and
I
heard
it
was
more
generally
if
somebody
comes
along
with
a
section
8
for
these
units,
then
that
they
would
accept
that
you
know
everything
else
being
you
know
as
part
of
the
process,
but
not
that
they
have
to
that.
Those
units
are
set
aside
for
section
eight.
But
did
I
get
that
right
that
it's
any
of
those
affordable
units?
E
C
All
right,
great
thanks
before
I
forget
this
time:
let's
open
for
public
comment
at
608.
Do
we
have
anybody
waiting
on
the
line
for
public
comment.
C
C
Probably
could
just
be
at
the
end
of
the
the
motion.
That's
on
the
staff
report,
just
stating
that
the
affordability
component
of
the
of
the
I
was
about
to
say,
b1
conditions
exhibit
e
project
conditions
will
include
housing,
section,
8,
housing,
vouchers.
G
G
A
statement
that
the
affordable
housing
condition
will
include
the
option
for
applicants
to
submit
section
eight
vault
vouchers.
K
C
All
right,
I
will
do
a
roll
call
vote
again.
Commissioner
faircloth
aye,
commissioner
bubenik.
A
H
N
C
And
I
will
vote
I
as
well.
The
motion
passes
unanimously.
Thank
you
very
much,
mr
allen.
Mr
anderson
applicant
appreciate
all
your
work
on
that
project.
Yeah.
Thank
you
have
a
great
evening.
Thank
you.
C
Mike
before
we
move
on
to
the
next
agenda
item-
I'm
sorry,
I'm
gonna
need
to
take
a
break
again.
As
I
mentioned,
I
haven't
been
feeling
great,
so
I've
been
popping
a
little
too
much
cold
medicine.
So
can.
K
C
Five
minute
break
come
back
at
6
17.
M
C
A
C
C
B
I
was
thank
you.
Thank
you,
mr
chair.
I
think
we
can
probably
move
through
this
conditional
zoning
request
pretty
quickly,
so
I
will
go
ahead
and
get
started.
B
As
mr
archibald
has
indicated.
This
is
another
conditional
zoning
oops
there
we
go
another
conditional
zoning
petition
for
the
property
located
at
990
tunnel
road,
as
you
can
see
from
the
exhibit
a
and
a1
maps.
The
subject.
Property
is
located
right
on
tunnel
road,
very
close
to
the
intersection
with
maple
springs
road.
The
property
also
has
frontage
on
campground
road
located
here
at
the
rear.
B
It
kind
of
looks
like
it
should
be
a
corner
lot,
but
it's
not
quite
there
is
this
little
tiny
piece
of
a
a
property
that
actually
belongs
to
the
buncombe
county
school
board
across
the
street.
This
is
the
bell
elementary
school
for
those
who
are
familiar
with
east
asheville,
so
it's
not
quite
on
the
corner,
but
it's
very
close
to
the
corner.
B
The
property
today
is
zoned
rm-6
and
the
entire
parcel
is
approximately
it's
a
little
less
than
one
and
a
half
acres,
and
it
actually
includes
this
piece
here
to
the
east.
So,
just
like
the
former
application,
we
are
re-zoning.
A
portion
of
the
pin
number
that
mr
archibald
read
off
about.
Two-Thirds
of
the
property
is
proposed
to
be
rezoned
from
the
existing
designation
of
rm-6,
which
is
a
residential
multi-family
designation
to
office
ii
conditional
zone,
as
shown
in
the
exhibit
a1
map.
B
B
Looking
at
the
exhibit
b
aerial
imagery,
you
can
see
that
the
property
is
largely
undeveloped.
It
is
vacant.
There
has
been
some
minor
improvements.
I
think
there's
been
some
fill
added
and
some
you
know,
gravel
to
the
site
to
kind
of
help
create
a
building
pad
at
some
point
right
now.
If
you
were
to
drive
by
the
property
you
would
it
you
almost
don't
see
any
of
this,
because
the
kudzu
is
is
pretty
rampant
in
this
area,
so
it
kind
of
gets
eclipsed
or
this
property
gets
eclipsed
by
that.
B
B
B
This
particular
plan
shows
this
is
a
conceptual
plan
and
it
shows
40
40
parking
spaces,
but
the
conditions
that
were
included
with
this
project
just
described
that
whatever
the
square
footage
of
this
building
ends
up
being
that
it
will
meet
the
city's
udl
requirements
for
off-street
parking.
B
B
The
there
would
also
be
sidewalk
requirement
on
campground
road.
We
all
agree.
The
applicants
and
staff
agree
that
the
more
important
sidewalk
connection
would
be
here
on
maple
springs
to
potentially
help
connect.
People
to
the
school
and
or
to
transit
stops
along
tunnel
road.
The
applicant
is
willing
to
reach
out
to
buncombe
county,
and
if
they
are
amenable,
they
will
agree
to
build
that
sidewalk
piece
on
maple
springs
as
opposed
to
campground
road.
B
So
if
the
applicant
is
unable
to
work
with
buncombe
county
to
be
able
to
get
this
sidewalk
connection
on
maple
springs,
they
have
agreed
that
they
would
pay
a
fee
in
lieu.
So
there
was
a
question
earlier
today
from
commissioner
bubenik
about
these.
You
know
sidewalks
that
don't
connect
that
sidewalk
fee
in
lieu
for
a
sidewalk
that
wouldn't
connect
to
anything
on
campground
road
is
something
that
could
potentially
be
used
by
the
city
to
make
this
more
important,
sidewalk
connection
in
the
future.
B
If
the
applicant
is
unable
to
do
it,
so
that's
just
a
handy
example
of
how
that
works.
The
other
thing
is
the
portion
of
the
property
that
is
not
included
in
the
rezoning
this.
What
is
described
as
lot
2
on
the
site,
it's
a
little
under
a
half
acre,
is
proposed
to
be
retained
in
the
rm-6
zoning
designation,
so
that
would
allow
for
some
additional
residential
infill
development
in
the
future.
So
this
rezoning,
this
property
doesn't
take
all
of
it
out
of
consideration
for
future
residential
infill
and
also
it
would
help
potentially
buffer.
B
This
non-residential
use
from
its
residential
neighbors.
It
was
described
a
little
bit
in
the
compatibility
section
of
the
staff
report,
but
this
property
is
a
little
bit
unique
in
that
it
is.
It
is
almost
level
with
tunnel
road,
but
it
actually
sits
in
kind
of
a
little
depression
from
this
low
spot.
You
go
up
in
elevation
in
all
directions,
so
the
properties
across
the
street
sit
higher
the
properties
across
tunnel
roads,
sit
higher
bell
elementary
sits
up
high
up
on
a
hill.
B
It's
relatively
level.
I
think
it
drops
a
little
bit
as
you
go
to
the.
What
to
the
west
and
then
but
then
again,
this
parcel
kind
of
helps
buffer
this
property.
So
this
just
sort
of
further
supports
rezoning,
taking
this
property
out
of
residential
zoning
and
putting
it
in
the
commercial
designation.
B
We
do
not
have
building
elevations
this.
This
project
is
very
conceptual
at
this
stage.
The
applicant
is
not
prepared
or
hasn't
gotten
that
far
in
the
process.
They
know
approximately
what
their
space
needs
are,
but
they
haven't
hired
an
architect
to
kind
of
design
the
building.
Yet
so
we
don't
have
those
building
elevations.
B
B
Other
conditions
associated
with
the
project.
Again,
it's
a
maximum
of
two
stories:
a
maximum
of
14
000
square
feet.
The
off-site
sidewalk
on
maple
springs
road
is
identified
and
called
out
in
the
conditions
we
will
get
a
sidewalk
easement
along
campground
road,
regardless
of
whether
or
not
a
sidewalk
is
constructed
or
a
fee
in
lieu
is
paid.
That
is
a
condition
as
well.
B
B
Let
me
just
go
back
to
the
site
plan
briefly,
so
normally
property
line
buffers
go
directly
against
the
property
line,
but
we
have
this
jurisdictional
stream
here,
so
the
applicant
is
asked
to
put
the
buffer
on
this
side
of
the
stream.
So
it's
not
right
on
the
property
line,
but
it's
kind
of
on
the
stream
bank
and
on
the
just
above
it,
we
thought
that
that
was
maybe
even
preferred
because
it
helps
filter
water
moving
into
the
stream.
So
I
thought
that
was
a
good
option.
B
And
other
than
that,
it's
just
our
standard
two-year
approval
process
during
which
the
applicant
must
obtain
their
zoning
permanent
pie
for
their
building
permits.
So,
in
conclusion,
staffed
as
a
recommend
does
recommend
approval
of
the
proposed
conditional
zoning
I'd
be
happy
to
answer
any
questions.
A
J
C
E
C
B
Not
quite
so
that's
how
it
would
normally
work,
but
in
this
case
we
just
we
again
because
they
couldn't
build
the
sidewalk
across
the
stream
part.
If
we
made
them
comply,
they
would
have
sidewalk
here
that
not
only
did
it
not
connect
to
tunnel,
it
doesn't
even
go
all
the
way
out
to
maple
spring.
So
even
if
the
school
one
day
put
a
sidewalk
here,
it
wouldn't
connect
to
campground
because
of
that
missing
piece
across
the
culvert.
B
So
technical
compliance
is
building
the
sidewalk.
This
particular
project
wouldn't
technically
be
eligible
for
fee
and
lieu.
They
could
apply
for
variance
and
would
probably
get
the
variance,
but
in
this
particular
case,
because
it's
a
conditional
zoning,
we
agree
and
support
paying
a
fee
for
the
entire
length
of
the
sidewalk.
Should
they
not
be
able
to
do
the
sidewalk
on
maple
springs,
so
the
proposal
to
do
the
maple
springs.
Sidewalk
is
in
lieu
of
the
campground
road
sidewalk.
C
Don't
say
that,
because
it
says
six
foot
back
of
yeah,
it
talks
about
the
sidewalk
on
tunnel
road,
maintaining
six
foot
back
of
curb
sidewalk
constructed
along
campground
the
event
the
applicant
could
gain
approval.
They
would
install
it'll,
make
maple
springs,
but
then
should
the
campground
road
sidewalk
be
constructed,
a
small
fee
in
lieu
of
sidewalk
would
be
paid
for
the
portion
that
crosses.
B
Oh,
I'm
sorry,
yes,
that
that
has
been
revised
since
I
was.
We
were
working
that
out
with
the
applicants
in
the
the
the
day
right
before
these
got
posted
so.
C
Okay,
I
just
wanted
to
apologize.
That's
okay!
I
just
wanted
to
make
sure,
because
what
you're
saying
makes
complete
sense
like
yeah
there's
again,
this
is
one
of
those
rare
instances
where
I'm
going
to
go
yeah.
It
makes
no
sense
to
put
a
sidewalk
on
campground
as
much
as
I
love
putting
sidewalks
that
go
nowhere.
Oh
just.
A
B
B
Yeah,
that's
that's
exactly
true!
So
the
originally
you
know
we
were
saying.
Well,
if
you
can't
do
maple
springs,
you
have
to
do
it
on
on
campground.
That's
what
would
be
technically
required,
but
in
discussing
it
further
with
the
applicant,
we
realized
that
it
makes
more
sense
to
pay
in
fee
and
loo
for
the
whole
thing
we
had.
Actually,
I
had
actually
changed
that
in
the
the
original
document,
but
I
failed.
It
sounds
like
I
failed
to
upload
that
replace
the
the
pdf
in
your
meeting
material.
So
I
apologize.
C
That
that's
fine
question
and-
and
I
see
there's
a
couple
hand
raised
one
real,
quick
because
it
relates
to
sidewalks.
Was
there
any
discussion
with
the
applicant
about
improving
the
bus?
Stop
there
that's
right
kind
of
right!
Well,
I'm
pointing
out
my
screen,
but
it's
basically
right
right
about
the
end
of
the
building
kind
of
the
sidewalk
almost
bumps
out
there
was
there
any
discussion
about
like
right
now,
there's
a
pad
was
there
a
discussion
about
you
know,
providing
a
bus,
shelter
paying
for
the
bus,
shelter,
etc.
B
We
we
did
not
discuss
that,
it
didn't
come
up
in
trc,
but
we
can
certainly
ask
the
applicant
this
evening.
C
Okay,
all
right
great,
commissioner
bennett.
You
had
your
hand
raised.
I
Thank
you.
I
wanted
to
talk
about
sidewalks
and
the
bus
stop
as
well.
I
So
as
far
as
the
tunnel
road
sidewalk,
I
know
shannon
that
you
said
it
is
newer,
but
it
is
like
a
non-compliant
sidewalk,
and
so
I
wanted
to
see
like
my
recommendation-
is
that
we
get
them
to
put
more
money
into
that
sidewalk
fund
that
we've
talked
about
this
evening,
because
since
they
are
kind
of
getting
out
of
not
having
to
put
a
new
sidewalk
in
on
tunnel
road
and
they're,
not
having
to
like
update
this
sidewalk
since
it's
like
newer,
but
it's
not
compliant,
and
it
literally
has
the
telephone
poles
like
right
in
the
middle
of
the
sidewalk.
I
So
I
would
like
recommend
to
the
community
that
we
have
them
put
money
into
that
fund
so
that
we're
not
continuing
to
build
these.
I
know
that
we're
not
like
really
building
these
anymore,
but
also
that
we
are
upgrading
and
continuing
to
like
do.
I
Because
they're
literally
like
getting
out
of
putting
sidewalks
in
for
their
building
and
then
along
with
what
commissioner
archwald
said,
was
as
also
with
the
bus
stop,
because
I
could
see
a
lot
of
people
like
taking
the
bus
down
to
this
dental
office
and
this
kind
of
goes
along
with,
like
the
last
plan
that
I
didn't
get
to
say.
But
it's
like
all
these,
like
parking
spots
like
40
parking
spots
at
like
this
small
dental
office,
there
was
like
250
spots
at
like
the
last
place,
like
we're
just
continuing
to
say.
I
Like
drive,
your
car
drive
your
car,
but
there's
literally
a
bus.
Stop
right
outside
of
this,
so
like,
let's
make
a
nice
bus,
stop
where
we're
encouraging
people
like
take
the
bus
to
the
dentist
office,
and
they
have
the
opportunity
right
now,
as
they're
building
this
brand
new
spot
to
do
those
things.
B
We,
you
know
our
fee
and
lou
option
this
again.
This
project
doesn't
technically
it's
not
technically
eligible
for
the
fee
in
lieu
like
if
this
wasn't
a
conditional
zoning.
This
wouldn't
be
something
that
could
be
considered,
but
our
fee
in
lieu
does
allow
for
an
applicant
to
pay
a
portion
of
the
sidewalk.
So
if
it's
a
non-compliant
sidewalk,
so
in
this
case
it's
a
five-foot
backup
curb,
we
would
at
least
require
a
six
foot
back
of
curb
we.
It
does
allow
them
to
break
down
and
pay
the
for
the
portion.
That
is
in
compliance.
B
C
That
thank
you
for
bringing
that
up,
commissioner
bennett,
because
I
had
not
made
the
leap
you
know
this
whole
we've
gone
back
and
forth
on
that
whole
fiance
thing
I
think,
miss
tuck
and
I
hadn't
really
made
the
leap
to
if
we've
got
a
perfectly
fine
condition,
wise
sidewalk
that
doesn't
quite
meet
the
wit
standard.
Could
we
get
them
to
pay
a
fee
in
lieu
again,
it's
kind
of
like
what
I
brought
up
that
last
month
with
the
project
that
was
downtown
and
the
perfectly
good
five
feet
of
sidewalk.
C
So
that's
that's
a
great
idea.
Obviously
we
have
to
ask
if
the
applicant
would
be
would
be
amenable
to
that.
Miss.
E
It
was
just
a
clarification
so
shannon
you
had
said:
if
we
do
the
fee
in
lieu
that
they
would,
I
thought
you
said
that
they
would
be
dedicating
an
easement
to
the
city,
but
in
this
case
they're
doing
the
fee
in
lieu
because
they
really
don't
have
a
place
to
put
the
sidewalk.
So
actually,
what
mr
bennick
is
saying
seems
to
make
sense.
You're
saying
fee
in
lieu
or
part
of
it
might
be
fee
and
loot
fee,
actually
money
that
could
be
used
for
a
sidewalk
in
this
vicinity
and
part
of
it.
B
Yeah
there
are
two
sidewalks
that
we're
discussing
the
one
that
miss
bubanic
brought
up
is
that
the
existing
sidewalk
on
tunnel
road?
It's
only
five
feet.
Normally,
we
would
require
at
least
six
feet
if
it's
a
back
of
curb.
So
it's
short
one
foot.
If
this
was
a
buy
right
application,
they
wouldn't
even
have
an
option
for
a
fee.
They'd
have
to
just
rip
out
that
sidewalk
and
put
in
at
least
a
six
foot
back
of
curb.
B
In
this
case,
ms
bubenick's
recommendation
is
that
they
pay
a
fee
for
what
is
deficient
and
our
fee
and
lieu
accommodates
that.
So
it's
just
a
an
objective
way
to
basically
kind
of
gain
compliance.
I
suppose
the
other
sidewalk
that
it
would
normally
be
required
is
the
campground
road
sidewalk.
So
on
this
side,
we're
saying
that
the
applicant
is
committing
to
providing
us
an
easement
for
future
sidewalk
and
instead
of
building
sidewalk
here
on
campground
road,
they
would
give
us
the
easement
and
pursue
constructing
a
sidewalk
on
maple
springs,
because
this
is
not.
B
B
Well,
it's
not
that
it's
a
bad
area!
It's
just
that
the
applicant's
part
of
the
applicant's
buffers
in
this
area
behind
the
building,
so
it
could
be,
it
could
be
a
sidewalk
in
the
future.
It
would
just
likely
require
removing
some
vegetation
and
the
the
project
conditions
actually
contemplate
that
okay,.
E
I
just
wanted
to
clarify,
because
just
so
everyone
knows,
typically
the
fee
in
lieu
means
you
can't
do
it
on
your
property,
so
you're
putting
in
so
that
it
can
be
done.
A
sidewalk
can
be
put
somewhere
in
the
near
area
for
that
use
in
that
area.
But
so,
in
this
case
it
sounds
like
we
would
want
that
dedicated
to
us.
Okay,
yeah.
B
I
Yeah,
that's
what
I
was
saying
is:
like
you
know:
if,
if
it's
not
going
to
go
here,
I
think
it
should
go
somewhere
else.
You
know,
since,
since
what
it
was
originally
said
was
this
is
a
perfectly
good
sidewalk,
so
we're
not
asking
them
to
like
put
in
a
new
sidewalk,
but
I
think
we
should
ask
them
to
put
in
lieu
of
so
that
we
can
put
it
somewhere
else
where
a
perfectly
good
sidewalk
does
need
to
go.
Basically.
I
C
And
I
think
the
idea
of
the
part
along
the
campground
road
is
it's
not
like.
It
couldn't
be
done,
it's
that
that's
their
buffer
and
the
buffer
for
the
residents
that
are
there
now.
The
buffer
is,
I'm
sure,
way
more
important
than
the
sidewalk
15
years
from
now
the
sidewalk
may
be
important
and
then
at
least
there's
the
easement
to
be
able
to
do
the
sidewalk.
So.
C
Good
way
around
it,
I
will
not
attempt
to
revise
that
condition.
Maybe
we
can
just
say
that
that
condition
will
be
revised
before
it
goes
to
council.
I
guess
the
one
speaking
of
the
conditions,
so
the
one
other
thing
and
and
we'll
ask
the
applicant
about
the
fee
and
loo
for
the
one
foot
on
tunnel
road
and
then
about
the
bus.
C
Stop
the
one
other
condition
that
that
just
it
doesn't
give
me
heartache,
but
the
in
number
three,
where
it
talks
about
facades
greater
than
35
feet
in
width
she'll,
be
articulated
by
varying
the
setback,
materials
and
or
window
door
openings
to
me,
it's
a
little
vague.
It's
like
you
could
do
one
of
those
three.
C
C
B
Yeah,
it's,
I
think,
because
we
also
require
a
a
primary
entrance
or
principal
entrance
like
a
well-marked
primary
entrance
faith
on
the
front
facade,
the
applicant
wasn't
really
concerned
about
being
able
to
break
up
the
facade.
So
it's
it's
probably
overkill
in
this
particular
case,
but
but
yes,
you're
thinking
of
some
of
our
form
code
standards
that
say
when
your
facade
is
over
a
certain
amount,
you
must
offer
some
relief.
B
C
F
Yes,
thank
you,
chair
archibald,
just
a
quick
clarification
question
on
that
same
number,
three
in
the
project
conditions.
The
third
bullet
point
says
a
prominent
front
entrance
facing
the
road.
F
I
just
wanted
to
clarify
that
you
know
I
this
may
be
getting
ahead
of
ourselves
and
I'd
love
to
hear
what
the
applicant
has
to
say
about
these
conditions
that
are
fairly
general
and
seem.
You
know
reasonable
and
easily
achievable.
The
site
plan
that
we
have
here
looks
like
the
parking
area
along
tunnel
road.
F
Is
there
because
there's
a
an
existing
storm
pipe
and
so
there's
they're,
not
placing
the
building
up
closer
to
tunnel
road,
and
so
because
of
that
it
seems
like
the
main
visitor
entrance
or
client
entrance
will
be
to
the
left
from
the
parking
area
and
then
there
it
might
be
that
there's
like
an
employee
entrance
facing
tunnel
road.
So
I
just
I
don't
know
to
me
it.
Maybe
it
seems
less
important
that
we
have
a
prominent.
F
You
know
condition
that
there
be
a
prominent
front
entrance
facing
tunnel
road,
just
acknowledging
the
realities
of
this
site
and
the
constraints,
but
we
can
I'd
love
to
hear
from
the
applicant
and
see
their
thoughts
on
the
matter.
B
And
one
thing
we
discussed
with
the
applicant
that
did
come
up
you.
We
see
that
there's,
you
know
the
accessible
parking
is
on
that
western
side,
and
you
know
we.
We
see
some
projects
kind
of
do
like
a
corner
entrance
and
we
thought
that
that
could
be
acceptable
based
on
you
know,
as
long
as
the
design
kind
of
makes
it
clear
and
readable,
but
we
are
trying
to
kind
of
give
this
building
some
some
orientation,
and
I
think
that
that
well-defined
entrance
is
is
important.
B
A
C
Cases
we
probably
would
look
at
that
site
plane
and
go.
We
would
want
the
building
to
be
up
against
the
front
and
not
have
the
parking
in
the
front,
but
you're
right
with
the
storm
the
existing.
I
think
it's
labeled
as
an
existing
stream
culvert.
I'm
sure
mr
sugg
can
advise
us
further
but
yeah,
whether
talking
about
the
entrances
yeah
any
further
questions
for
staff
at
the
moment,
all
right,
let's
let
the
applicant
make
their
presentation.
Mr
sugg,
I
presume
that
you
will
be
speaking
for
the
applicant.
O
Thank
you,
commissioner,
archibald
and
members
of
the
commission
warren
sugg
with
civil
design
concepts.
I
also
have
dr
callan
and
dr
allison
white
of
asheville
dentistry,
that
are
that
are
here
with
us
tonight
and
they
are
the
they're,
the
client
and
they're
also
the
the
developer
and
owner
and
operator
of
of
this
facility.
O
O
We
were
considering
this
as
a
straight
rezone
and
for
any
number
of
different
reasons,
just
the
the
the
complexities
of
a
straight
rezone
and
the
the
optionalities
of
all
the
different
things
that
could
be
installed
here
was
something
that
staff
wasn't
comfortable
with,
and
that's
why
we're
you
know
here
before
you
with
a
with
a
cz
a
cz
for
this
size
of
project
is
at
least
uncommon
for
me
and
my
career.
Usually
these
czs
are
much
larger
they're.
O
You
know
apartment
complexes
like
what
we
just
saw,
or
you
know,
hotels
and
a
lot
of
other
large
projects.
So
this
is
very
small
and
I
don't
say
that
in
diminishing
my.
A
O
You
know
desires,
but
just
in
realities
of
of
what
a
cz
typically
is.
That
said,
you
know
we're
super
excited
about
the
project,
I'll,
let
you
know
callan
and
allison.
You
know
add
to
it
if
there's
an
appropriate
time
for
them
to
speak
about
it,
but
they
are
local.
O
Folks,
they've
got
a
couple
different
practices
around
town,
they're
they're,
currently
looking
to
get
out
of
a
rental
space
and
have
something
of
their
own
that
they
develop
and
operate
and
own.
So
there's
there's
there's
a
lot
of
excitement
about
having
that
here.
We
think
this
is
a
great
spot
one.
One
thing
I'd
like
to
really
mention
in
you.
You
asked
a
little
question
about.
It
is
the
the
storm
there.
There
is
a
storm
pipe
that
goes
through
there.
It's
been
there
for
a
number
of
decades.
O
This
site
has
set
for
a
number
of
decades,
pretty
much
unused
and
vacant
it's.
It
has
been
encumbered
with
quite
a
bit
of
kudzu
and
current
landowners
as
well
as
neighbors
when
we
had
a
neighborhood
meeting.
All
you
know
just
sort
of
mentioned
that,
and
they
were
excited
about
the
opportunity
for
something
to
be
developed
here.
That
would
you
know,
be
it
be
used
and
cut
down
on
the
the
kudzu
that
just
takes
over
a
couple
things
to
mention
and
shannon
did
a
great
job
of
kind
of
giving
a
great
overview
of
the
project.
O
I'm
happy
to
answer
those
specific
questions
on
things,
but
we
are,
you
know
ultimately
wishing
to
do
a
dedicated
dental
office
here
recognizing
that's
what
the
cz
allows
us
to
do
is
to
be
specific.
With
that
utilities
are
available,
we
have
sewer
that's
along
tunnel
road
that
we
can
have
easy
access
to
water
is
along
campground
road
and
we
can
make
our
access
to
domestic
water
for
that
we
have
spaces
available
parking
that
is
off
of
the
access
from
tunnel,
as
shannon
mentioned.
O
That
final
number
will
certainly
be
within
the
the
men's
and
max's
that
the
city
of
asheville
allows
once
we
determine
that
exact
square
footage
and
exact
building,
because
that
storm
pipe
is
up
front.
That
is
why
the
building
is
pushed
where
it
is
and
we
would
like
to
keep
it
situated,
so
we
don't
have
it
on
top
of
a
storm
pipe.
O
O
He
said
we
were
too
late
to
be
on
the
december
school
board
meeting,
but
there's
been
talk
of
us
being
on
the
january
school
board
meeting
agenda,
so
that
would
be
our
intent.
I've
made
him
aware
of
our
desires,
there's
a
fairly
small
portion
of
this.
That
would
actually
be
on
their
property.
Just
a
small
little
triangle
area
at
the
intersection
and
the
rest
of
it
should
be
within
right
away.
So
hopefully
it's
a
win-win
for
them
as
well.
O
It's
a
piece
of
property
that
buncombe
county
schools
has
no
use
for
and
would
certainly
hope
that
it
would
encourage
people
to
be
able
to
walk
to
and
from
school
and
hopefully
maybe
later
on,
there's
additional
sidewalk
that
goes
up.
Maple
springs
either
by
the
school
or
by
any
number
of
other
entities.
O
We
we
certainly
hear
your
comments
about
fee
and
lou
our
our
desires,
to
do
that
maple
spring
sidewalk.
If
that
hits
dead
end
we'll
certainly
do
the
fee
and
lou
and
do
the
the
easement
requirements
for
for
the
future.
O
I
think
I'll
just
stop
right
there
and
answer
any
questions
you
all
have
of
me.
I
I
do.
I
guess
I
will
touch
on
mr
barton's
comments
about
the
predominant
front
inside
yeah.
We
we
don't
know
the
exact
program
of
the
building,
yet
where
that
entrance
will
be.
But
in
my
discussions
with
shannon,
we
certainly
recognize
we're
not
going
to
have
just
a
rectangular
flat
building,
that's
going
to
have
windows
and
doors
and
awnings
and
things
that
will
sort
of
move
in
and
out.
O
But
we
don't
know
at
this
very
moment
exactly
where
the
door,
door
or
doors
will
be
and
likely
there
will
be
multiple
doors,
one
for
visitors
and
guests
and
those
for
for
the
for
the
staff.
So
we
we
would
love
a
little
more
flexibility
on
that
and
then
one
other
thing.
That's
that's
in
the
comments
that
I
know
still
being
worked
through
is
tinting
of
windows,
and
we
would
request
that
we
can
tint
the
windows,
this
privacy
item
enough
and
I've.
O
I've
made
made
the
client
and
staff
sort
of
aware
of
that
conversation
and
that's
something
that'll
be
ongoing.
We
certainly
don't
want
to
mirror
tin
them
and
have
something
that's
just
detracting
or
or
a
nuisance
as
they
drive
by.
But
privacy
is
a
is
a
big
thing
in
any
kind
of
medical
field.
Any
questions
of
me.
B
You
know,
might
kind
of
work
in
the
site,
but
they
are
just
they're
just
ideas,
so
I
didn't
want
to
include
them
in
the
packets,
but
just
for
the
sake
of
this
discussion,
you
know
and
talking
about
that
primary
front
entrance
or
a
little
bit
of
articulation
and
the
fenestration
requirements.
I
think
this
kind
of
helps
to
give
folks
an
idea
of
what's
being
considered.
B
And
and
we're
comfortable
working
with
the
applicant
further
on
refining
those
conditions
about
the
character
of
the
structure,
including
the
tinting.
We
understand
the
need
for
privacy
and
well,
you
know
we'll.
We
just
need
a
little
bit
more
information
about
the
degree
of
tinting
and
things
of
that
nature,
and
maybe
there's
windows
on
the
front
can
be
untinted
in
the
waiting
area.
And
then
it's
really
just
tinting
the
windows
and
the
exam
rooms.
C
I
would
make
the
comment
too
about
tinting
a
lot
of
times.
You
can
achieve
that
with
graphics
or
you
know,
there's
ways
to
do
privacy.
You
know,
without
necessarily
having
it
fully
tinted,
so
graphics,.
B
C
Yeah,
I
guess
mr
sugg-
and
I
did
hear
you
say
that
your
clients
are
are
on
this
call
as
well.
What
would
they
or
what
are,
what
are
their
thoughts
on
providing
either
providing
a
bus
shelter?
I
believe
the
pad
that
is.
There
is
probably
big
enough.
I'm
not
positive
at
that
location
as
as
one
of
the
conditions.
O
Share
archball,
it's
it's,
certainly
not
something.
That's
been
discussed
up
to
this
point
at
a
staff
level
or
with
my
client
here
again
I'll
kind
of
go
back
to
what
a
traditional
cz
you
know,
and
there
there
there
are
bigger.
Ask
things
like
shelters
that
that
tend
to
come
along
with
it.
You
know,
I'm
gonna
make
it
sort
of
simple.
This
is
a
husband
and
wife
situation,
they're
a
small
business
they're
trying
to
do
the
right
thing
and
go
the
right
processes.
O
I
would
hope
that
we
could
keep
the
the
additional
conditions
minimized.
I
don't
I
don't
know
exactly
the
cost
of
of
one
of
those
shelters,
but
it
it
certainly
adds
to
the
the
things
that
that
are
that
are
being
put
on
the
project,
and
it
is
a
fairly
small
project
in
the
in
the
scheme
of
things.
C
Sure-
and
I
completely
understand
that
you
know
again-
I
guess
I'm
just
throwing
it
out
there.
I'm
certainly
not
hinging
anything
on
that
at
all.
So.
B
I
do
think
it's
a
really
good
idea
to
explore
with
your
client
the
you
know,
maybe
when
they
do
have
an
architect,
I
my
from
what
I've
heard
from
others
and
other
designers
is
it's
less
expensive
to
actually
probably
have
somebody
design
a
bus,
shelter,
a
simple
bus,
shelter
that
reflects
the
character
and
the
architecture
of
your
new
building
than
it
would
be
to
purchase
and
install
the
city's
standard
and
you'd
probably
be
more
happy
with.
B
You
know
your
own
version
of
that,
but,
given
that
this
is
a
community
service-
and
there
is
an
existing
bus,
stop
right
on
that
road
frontage.
I
do
think
it
is
a
good
thing
to
explore
and
would
certainly
further
you
know,
demonstrate
compliance
with
the
city's
comprehensive
plan
and
I
think,
in
the
scheme
of
construction
of
this
type,
the
additional
cost
is
not
excessive.
B
There's
always
costs
associated
with
condition
or
with
any
kind
of
development,
and
just
just
to
clarify
too.
I
understand
where
warren's
coming
from
when
he
describes
large-scale
projects
like
the
one
we
saw
before
being
conditional
zonings,
but
we
have
lots
of
small
projects
too,
that
are
conditional
zonings.
You
saw
the
franklin
school
of
innovation
earlier.
That
was
a
conditional
zoning
just
down
the
street
is
an
office
building
that
was
a
conditional
zoning,
that's
of
an
even
smaller
parcel.
B
F
Yes,
thank
you,
chair
archibald,
on
the
issue
of
the
the
bus
shelter.
You
know,
I'm
certainly
a
proponent
of
adding
bus
shelters
to
our
you
know
growing
bus
network.
It's
an
important
piece
of
the
puzzle.
You
know
to
encourage
ridership
at
this
location,
though
I
don't
I
mean
I
don't
see
how
it's
going
to
be
a
huge
benefit
to
the
community.
The
extension
of
the
sidewalk,
where
the
bus
stop
is
only
looks
to
be
about
an
additional
three
feet.
F
If
that
so
we're
we're
talking
about
you
know,
you
can't
block
the
sidewalk
with
the
shelter
you
know.
The
applicant
would
be
adding
probably
an
additional
three
feet
of
concrete
minimum
beyond
that
in
order
to
get
the
required.
You
know
ada
bus,
a
lighting
area,
and
then
you
know
they're
they're,
going
to
be
further
accessibility
requirements,
probably
connecting
that
bus
shelter
potentially
to
the
building.
F
So
I
I
think
this
is
it's
sort
of
like
we're,
maybe
aspirational
for
the
right
reasons,
but
it
we
may
be
imposing
a
condition
that
has
a
lot
of
unintended
consequences
and
would
probably
require
a
retaining
wall
on
the
back
end.
So
I'd
hesitate
to
put
it
in
a
as
a
condition.
I
would
certainly
support
having
the
applicant
explore
it
with
mr
the
civil
engineering
team,
because
we
do
need
them,
but
it
just
doesn't
seem
in
this
location
like
it's
that
feasible.
C
Yeah
I
they
definitely
would
need
to
increase
the
size
of
the
pad
as
far
as
any
other
access
the
sidewalk
is
going
to
provide,
you
know,
provide
the
access
sidewalk
and
then,
through
the
I
mean
they
may
have
to
do.
A
slight
piece
of
sidewalk
next
to
the
driveway.
Probably,
would
make
the
most
sense
so
that
it's
not
you
know
someone's
not
walking
in
the
drive
aisle
so
to
speak,
to
get
in
there,
but.
C
Saying
I
just
you
know,
I
think
it's
one
of
those
that
we're
always
trying
to
get
those
it's
kind
of
like
sidewalks.
We
always
want
you
know
if
we
can
get
a
sidewalk
put
in
great,
and
so
if
we
get
a
bus
shelter,
I
think
it's
great
as
well.
I
Thank
you.
I
think
we
have
to
start
holding
holding
everyone
accountable.
That's
coming
before
a
commission,
whether
you're
a
small
business,
whether
you're
a
large
business,
because
you
know
like
for
the
bus,
shelter.
I
You
know,
that's
something
that
we
need
and
if
your
business
happens
to
be
where
the
bus
shelter
is
that's
something
that
you're
gonna
have
to
hold
yourself
accountable
and
to
put
into
your
business
plan-
and
you
know
so
maybe
you're
not
having
to
pay
for
the
sidewalk
but
you're
having
to
pay
for
the
bus,
shelter
and
that's
something
that
is
your
business
and
it
just
happens
to
be
right
there
in
front
of
you
know,
on
the
sidewalk
and
as
of
the
commissioners,
we
have
to
think
yeah.
I
It
may
not
do
something
good
right
now,
because
there's
not
a
lot
of
traffic,
but
in
15
years
that
part
of
tunnel
road
is
going
to
look
completely
different.
Just
like
hendersonville
road
looks
different
now
or
how
downtown
looks
different
now.
The
commissioners
15
years
ago
had
thought
about
the
sidewalks
in
downtown.
We
might
not
be
having
this
discussion
about
sidewalks
right
now.
I
So
that's
why
we're
all
on
this
board
is
to
really
have
that,
like
vision
for
the
future
and
to
really
like
walk
our
you
know,
businesses
through
this
process
and
kind
of
help
them
all
figure
that
out
so
while
it
may
take
like
a
retaining
wall
or
may
take
like
an
extra
slab
of
concrete,
we
really
have
to
think
about,
like
those
kids
that
may
be
coming
to
the
dentist
after
school,
with
their
parents
or
somebody
who's
living
in
those
apartments
down
there
by
the
va
just
taking
the
bus
down
to
the
dentist.
I
So
you
know
that's
why
this
bus
stop
is
important.
That's
why
the
extra
foot
on
the
sidewalk
is
important,
because
the
sidewalks
already.
A
I
Accessible,
but
maybe
the
bus
stop
is
and
then
they
can
go
on
into
the
dentist
office.
B
This
is
actually
one
of
our
higher
ridership
routes.
The
tunnel
road-
I've-
I'm
not,
I
know
the
the
south
tunnel
road
section
is
is-
is
the
highest
or
one
of
the
highest.
You
know,
second
or
first
or
second
in
terms
of
ridership,
I'm
not
sure
how
far
down
tunnel
road,
but
I
know
the
overall
route
between
the
va
and
downtown
along
tunnel
road
is
one
of
our
highest.
C
Yeah,
certainly
I
just
thank
you,
commissioner
rubinick,
for,
for
making
that
statement.
I
I
certainly
would
agree
with
pretty
much
everything
you
said.
I
mean
it's
definitely
definitely
that
forward
thinking
of
what
what
will
it
look
like?
Not
what
does
it
look
like
now
or
what
does
it
look
like
in
the
past?
But
what
will
it
look
like
so.
E
Joe,
I
just
wanted
to
comment,
and
this
is
a
question
for
you,
but
when,
when
there's
a
condition
for
a
bus,
stop,
doesn't
it
usually
come
from
our
transportation
department
to
say,
there's
a
need
there.
I
I
heard
somebody
say:
there's
already
one
right
down
the
street.
Sometimes
when
you
build
one,
that's
a
different
design
from
from
the
city's
design,
then
the
person
has
to
maintain
it.
I
mean
we
had
that
in
montford
it
was
a
different
design,
so
the
city
would
not
maintain
it.
So
I
thought
our
typical
process
was
city
request.
E
B
Well,
it's
an
existing
stop.
I
mean
it's,
it's
not
we're,
not
adding
a
bus,
stop
the
stop's
already
there.
The
question
is
whether
or
not
we
should
add
a
shelter.
B
B
No,
and
at
least
I
think
the
policy
has
changed,
we
had
a
different
development
application
recently,
where
now
this
one
was
downtown,
but
they
were
proposing
a
custom,
design,
shelter
and
the
city
was
willing
to
maintain
it.
They
would
install
it,
build
it
and
install
it,
but
then
the
city
would
maintain
it.
A
D
H
B
It's
a
little
unusual
to
have
it
this
conceptual,
but
you
know
we
are
trying
to
be
flexible
and
kind
of
recognize
that
it's
you
know
the
applicant
is,
you
know:
they're
private
business
owners,
local
business
owners
they're,
not
and
professionals.
You
know
they're,
not
developers
and
so
they're,
unsure
of
what
their
plans
are
just
yet
and
they're,
trying
to
secure
the
property
and
the
opportunity
to
be
able
to
do
a
dentist
office
at
this
location.
N
And
I
would
like
to
comment:
we
actually
don't
own
this
property
yet
so
our
purchase
of
this
property
is
conditional
on
having
it
useful
for
our
business.
So
we
are
trying
to
limit
our
investment
into
a
potential
area
that
we
may
not
even
be
able
to
purchase
so
we're
really
putting
in
quite
a
bit
of
investment
up
front
to
a
theoretical
plan.
So
I
think
that
is
also
a
factor.
C
Thank
you,
miss
white.
I,
and
I
certainly
understand
you
know
where
you're
coming
from.
Obviously
you
know
there's
a
lot
of
small
business
owners
like
like
yourselves
that
would
like
to
you
know,
have
a
have
a
piece
of
property
like
this
and
have
your
own
building,
and
so
there
are.
There
are
a
lot
of
hurdles
to
being
able
to
do
that
for
sure,
and
I
think
I
think
commissioner
bubenik
made
made
some
good
points,
though,
as
far
as
a
local
small
business
providing
something
for
the
community
looks
even
better.
C
N
The
design
of
the
building-
you
know
we
are
a
family,
dentistry
business.
We
have
our
our
patients
are
appreciative
of
our
kind
of
homey
feeling,
and
so
I
believe
you
know,
our
goal
is
for
the
building
to
look
more
residential,
not
not
a
big
square
office
building
or
something
imposing
it's.
It's
going
to
be
more.
N
C
Well,
thank
you
appreciate
it
very
much.
Let's
go
ahead
and
open
for
public
comment
at
706..
If
there
is
anybody
on
the
line
for
public
comment,
chair.
C
G
A
C
I
I
would
certainly
thank
you
for
for
bringing
something
that
does
provide
a
certainly
a
good
use
of
neighborhood
use
develops
this
this
piece
of
long
vacant
property.
I
I
certainly
would
encourage
you
to
consider
the
bus
stop.
I
really
I'm
kind
of
at
odds
a
lot
of
times.
If
you
were,
if
you
were
the
last
project,
I
would
have
been
like
nope
there's
going
to
be
a
bus,
stop
or
nothing
else.
I
I
try
to
you
know.
C
That
that
sometimes
we
have
to
you
know
again
find
those
balances
with
with
some
of
the
local
small
business
owners.
But
I.
C
Would
very
very,
very
much
encourage
you
to
you
know,
really
consider
adding
the
bus
shelter
there
to
that
stop.
I
just
I
think,
that's
one
of
those
little
extra
things.
That's
just
gonna!
You
know
here's
a
good
local
business.
Look
at
you
know
yet
another
thing
that
they've
done
for
the
community.
So
I
am
happy
to
entertain
a
motion
if
one
of
my
fellow
commissioners
would
like
to
make
one.
F
I
move
to
approve
the
conditional
zoning
request
for
the
property
located
at
990
tunnel
road
from
residential
multi-family
low-density
rm-6
to
office
2
conditional
zone,
02
cz,
with
an
amendment
to
the
future
land
use
map
of
the
living
asheville
comprehensive
plan
from
residential
neighborhood
to
traditional
corridor
and
find
that
the
request
is
reasonable
is
in
the
public.
Interest
is
consistent
with
the
city's
comprehensive
plan
or
other
adopted
plans
and
meets
the
development
needs
of
the
community.
In
that
the
request
one
promotes
health
and
wellness
by
supporting
medical
facilities
in
proximity
to
neighborhoods.
C
Okay,
all
right,
so
we
have
the
motion
a
second
with
that
with
knowing
that
there
will
be
a
correction
to
exhibit
e
project
conditions.
Nine
regarding
the
sidewalk
along
maple
springs
and
campground
road.
All
right,
we'll
do
a
roll
call
vote.
G
C
Commissioner,
simmons.
H
D
Unfortunately,
I'm
going
to
vote
in
a
on
this
one.
I
just
I
wish
the
best
for
the
applicants
and
I
appreciate
their
willingness
to
to
grow.
C
A
A
F
C
And
I
will
vote
I
as
well,
so
the
motion
passes
six
to
one.
C
Thank
you
very
much,
mr
sugg.
Thank
you
very
much,
mr
mrs
cat.
Mr
mrs
white,
I
wish
you
the
best
moving
forward
on
the
project.
Thank
you
for
your.
B
Thank
you,
mr
chair.
The
commissioners
may
recall
last
month
that
I
brought
a
different
text
amendment
before
you
oops.
I
don't
know
why
this
slideshow
keeps
wanting
to
jump
ahead.
That
last
month
we
brought
before
you
a
text
amendment
that
was
related
to
the
ordinance
4855,
which
was
the
hotel
ordinance
that
was
adopted
back
in
february
earlier
this
year.
B
B
B
B
So
the
specific
code
change.
It
looks
like
this.
You
can
see
where
we
strike
out
that
the
council
is
now
appointing
all
nine
members
with
three
from
the
downtown
commission
and
three
from
the
riverfront
commission
and
then
the
three
who
will
be
selected
at
large,
that
ninth
member
being
appointed
by
the
committee
itself
that
gets
struck
entirely.
B
There
are
a
couple
other
very
small,
cleanup
revisions
in
the
same
article,
article
3,
which
is
the
advisory
and
decision
making
bodies
section
of
the
udo.
So
we
have
to
also
update
the
downtown
commission
and
riverfront
commission's
responsibilities
as
it
relates
to
design
review,
and
there
are
actually
some
revisions
to
chapter
two,
not
the
udo,
not
chapter
seven
but
chapter
two
that
will
also
have
to
be
revised.
B
As
part
of
this,
this
body,
the
plain
zoning
commission,
doesn't
review
amendments
to
code.
That
is
not
part
of
the
udo,
that's
in
a
different
chapter,
so
that's
not
being
shared
with
you,
but
council
will
have
to
adopt
it
later
and
it
will
be
part
of
this.
C
Okay,
thank
you
very
much.
Miss
tuck,
I
can't
say
I
feel
pain
for
them
not
or
not
wanting
to
serve
on
two
commissions.
But
that's
you
know,
there's
only
a
few
of
us
that
are
crazy
enough
to
do
that.
I
guess
I
did
listen
to
the
drc
meeting
from
from
the
other
week
and
it
seemed
like
they
were
completely
fine
with
it,
and
it
certainly
makes
complete
sense
to
me.
So
I
don't
know
if
any
of
my
fellow
commissioners
have
any
questions
or
comments
they
want
to
make.
L
G
Hi
go.
C
G
I'd
like
to
ask
so
you
mentioned
that
the
one
about
the
parking
and
lodging
even
downtown
was
going
to
be
a
different
point
in
another
meeting
or
something
not
under
our
review.
Could
you
repeat
that
please.
B
So
ordinance
4855
was,
you
know
what
we
sort
of
just
informally
referred
to
as
the
hotel
ordinance
that
was
adopted
back
in
february
and
after
that
was
adopted,
council
asked
staff
to
come
back
after
six
months
with
sort
of
a
report
on
how
things
are
going.
So
at
that
six-month
report
we
said:
well,
we
think
there's
some
code
changes
to
the
hotel
ordinance
that
are
worth
pursuing
and
we
also
think
shifting
the
structure
of
the
design
review
committee
makes
sense,
and
council
said
that
sounds
good.
B
Please
come
back
last
month
I
shared
with
you
all
the
revisions
to
the
hotel
section
of
the
code
and
this
month
I'm
sharing
with
you
the
changes
for
design
review
committee,
so
you've
already
reviewed
and
supported
the
changes
last
month
for
the
hotel
stuff
that
was,
you
may
recall,
it
was
mostly
the
definitions,
yeah
kind
of
updating
the
definitions
for
hotel
and
extended
stay
and
that
stuff,
so
those
that's
all
on
its
way
to
city
council.
Now,
okay,.
C
It's
miss
tuck
is
the
idea
that
this
that
this
and
the
previous
last
month's
revisions
would
go
to
council.
At
the
same
time,
I
guess
or.
B
C
B
Discussed
doing
them
together
as
one
ordinance,
but
they
kind
of
deal
with
different
subjects.
You
know
one
is
really
about
updating
development
standards
and
definitions,
and
the
other
is
about
the
structure
of
the
committee.
B
The
creation
of
the
design
review
committee
was
part
of
hotel
of
the
hotel
ordinance,
but
it
wasn't
the
main
part.
I
think
so.
I
think
we
just
thought
it.
It
might
make
more
sense
to
people
if
we
separated
them,
especially
because
this
this
particular
ordinance
also
is
going
to
take
or
is
going
to
require
changes
to
chapter
two
and
the
hotel
stuff
doesn't
have
anything
to
do
with
chapter
two.
C
Yeah,
okay,
if
no
one
is
jumping
to
make
a
motion,
I
certainly
will
I
don't
see
anybody
jumping
too.
C
Oh,
thank
you.
We
will
trying
to
do
it
again.
We
will
open
for
public
comment
at
7
20..
Is
there
anyone.
C
Motion
unless
someone
else
is
going
to
jump
up
and
want
to
make
it,
but
I
move
to
approve
the
proposed
wording,
amendments
to
chapter
7
of
the
udo
and
find
that
the
proposed
amendments
are
reasonable
in
the
public
interest
and
consistent
with
the
city's
comprehensive
plan
and
that
they
won
support.
Greater
diversity
on
city
boards
and
commissions,
two
promote
great
architecture
and
urban
design
and
three
act
on
a
comprehensive
study
of
lodging
facilities
and
their
impact
by
developing
new
policies
for
hotel
development.
H
H
C
Sorry
apologize.
I
couldn't
probably
need
to
turn
up
my
mic
there.
Okay,
do
a
roll
call
vote.
Then,
commissioner,
barton
hi,
commissioner
hoke
hi,
commissioner
bubenik.
A
G
G
C
The
next
scheduled
meeting
for
the
commission
is
set
for
wednesday
january
5th
2022
and,
as
always,
you
can
find
out
more
information
about
the
agenda
at
the
commission's
website
before
we
adjourn.
I
just
want
to
thank
everybody
for
being
here
tonight,
staff
for
all
the
work
that
they've
done
over
this
year,
certainly
in
the
transition
to
the
virtual
meetings.
It's
definitely
gotten
a
lot
better
and
definitely
want
to
thank
all
my
commission
members.
You
know
for
volunteering,
your
time,
which
is
perfectly
and
giving
or
imperfectly
in
spirit
of
the
season
of
giving.