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From YouTube: Multimodal Transportation Commission – August 23, 2023
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Regular meeting of the City of Asheville Multimodal Transportation Commission.
Access the agenda and other meeting materials at the City of Asheville website: https://www.ashevillenc.gov/department/city-clerk/boards-and-commissions/multimodal-transportation-commission/
Participate before and during the meeting on our public engagement hub: https://www.publicinput.com/C1588
A
Hey
good
afternoon,
everyone
and
welcome
I'd
like
to
call
to
order
the
August
23rd
city
of
Asheville,
multimodal
transportation,
meeting,
Jack,
eigelman
and
I'm
the
new
chair
of
this
group.
Our
meetings
continue
to
be
held
virtually,
but
there
are
many
ways
for
interested
parties
to
participate
in
this
Gathering.
The
city
of
Asheville's
engagement,
Hub,
which
includes
a
variety
of
links
and
phone
numbers,
can
be
found
on
the
multimodal
Transportation
Commission
page
of
the
city
of
Asheville's
website.
A
A
B
Thanks
Jack,
my
name
is
Randy
Warren
and
primarily
bicycling,
although
we're
in
transition
between
the
white
fed
task
force
and
effective
Transportation
Commission,
but
yeah
so
I'm,
but
I
also
walk
a
ton
of
places
and
take
transit.
Occasionally.
A
Thanks
Randy
Annie.
C
Penny
I'm
also
on
the
formerly
Greenway
now
active,
Transportation
Commission,
but
like
Randy
I,
walk
and
I
bike
and
occasionally
ride
the
bus.
A
D
Yes,
good
afternoon,
Joe
chessler,
West
Asheville,
also
a
member
of
the
Transit
Commission
Transit
committee,
cyclist
and
Walker
and
bus
rider.
E
Hi
Leanna
Joyner
I
am
serving
on
the
greenway
active
Transportation
committee
and
I
live
in
West,
Asheville
and
I'm
happy
to
be
part
of
this
committee.
A
And
our
our
newest
member
Mike
will
have
a
chance
a
little
bit
later
to
get
a
more
in-depth
introduction,
but
Mike,
would
you
introduce
yourself
here
briefly.
G
Sure
I'm
Mike
zikowski
I
live
in
North
Asheville
I'm
on
the
active
Transportation
committee
and
I'm
a
bicyclist,
sometimes
walker
and
a
wheelchair
user.
H
Hi
everyone
Joe
Archibald
I'm
on
the
Planning
and
Zoning
commission
still
and
I'm
the
PCC
liaison
to
multi-metal
Transit
Commission.
A
And
Elizabeth
lycus
Worley
will
not
be
here
at
this
meeting
as
well,
and
our
Council
liaison
Maggie.
I
Hey
everybody
Maggie
Allman
I
am
a
bike.
Commuter
and
I
use
my
feet
also
to
move
around
and
I
read
the
bus
glad
to
be
here.
A
Nice
to
have
you
Maggie,
and
we
also
have
several
folks
who
are
presenting
at
this
meeting
and
Sexton
from
the
city
and
Dana
Frankel
also
from
the
city.
I.
Think
that's
everyone.
Let
me
know
if
I
missed
anyone
Nicole.
A
Was
unavailable,
okay,
so
Lucy
crown
and,
of
course
Jessica
Morris,
thanks
everybody
for
being
here.
So
our
first
item
on
the
agenda
is
to
approve
the
minutes
from
our
last
meeting
in
June.
Is
there
a
motion
to
approve
those
minutes
so.
B
One
is
when
we
real
quick
in
your,
which
is
a
spelling
thing
when
we,
when
we
introduced
Joe,
Baker
Barker,
sorry
Joe
Barker,
it
says
head
instead
of
heard
at
305..
B
So
we
need
to
change
that
spelling
mistake
and
then
we
had
a
number
of
things
that
were
tabled
and
they
all
say
tabled
until
June.
But
that
was
a
June
meeting,
so
they
should
have
been
table
till
July,
which
we
didn't
have
a
meeting
that
month
anyway.
But
at
the
time
that
we
tabled
them,
it
was
tabling
them
until
July,
not
June.
That
was
for
the
status
on
the
25
mile,
an
hour
default
speed,
limit,
join
meeting
with
him,
MTC
and
downtown
commission
and
discuss
Retreat
and
next
steps.
A
I
presume
we
need
to
redo
that
motion
Mike.
Would
you
yeah
so
can
we'll
make
a
motion
to
amend
those
minutes
as
such
so
moved
and
the
second.
A
Thanks
Elise
now
we'll
vote
so
committee
members.
When
I
say
your
name,
will
you
please
say:
I
or
nay,
Randy
I,
Kenny,
hi,
Joseph,
chessler.
B
D
Since
I
don't
think,
Mike
was
on
the
commission
at
that
time.
I
wondered
if
that's,
if
that's
appropriate
motion
to
since
he
wasn't
present
yeah.
B
Think
it
might
watched
the
if
he
was
present
in
the
meeting.
Then
I
think
you
can
say
that
the
meeting
minutes
Equity
represented
the
meeting
or
if
you
watched
the
video
of
the
meeting
that
I
think
would
be
appropriate
for
him
to
say
that
if
you
didn't
have
any
association
at
all,
then
it
maybe
wouldn't
make
sense.
But
if
you
didn't
either
those
two
things
it
seemed
like
it'd
be
okay,
I.
A
Yeah,
thank
you
Joe,
but
I
would
vote
I.
Okay,
it
is
lyanna.
K
K
A
And
the
minutes
are
approved.
A
The
next
agenda
on
the
item
is
a
public
comment
and
I
hope
you
had
an
opportunity
to
read
the
public
comment.
It's
from
yeah
Randy.
B
I'm
sorry
I
think
I
think
we
have
to
approve
the
agenda
too.
Is
that
is
it
on
our
list
of
things
to
do
for
the
meeting?
L
B
A
Fair
enough
Nicole
thanks,
so
we'll
move
on
the
public
comment
is
from
Tim
Watkins
and
it's
a
fairly
lengthy
public
comment.
So
what
I
thought
I
would
do
is
just
briefly
outline
the
key
points
and
then
open
the
floor
for
any
comments
that
folks
might
have
and
it
regards
traffic
calming
policy
and
the
Four
Points.
That
Tim
makes
is
that
one
the
policy
from
2014
is
outdated
and
he
advises
that
it
be
revised.
A
The
second
point
that
Tim
makes
is
that
the
process
is
burdensome.
It
has
11
steps.
He
mentions.
Third,
there
are
limited
options
available
for
traffic,
calming
primarily
speed,
bumps
and
cushions,
and
then
his
fourth
point
is.
He
believes
that
they're
isn't
transparency
in
the
process
and
so
I
I
think
it's
a
I
thank
Tim
for
his
thoughtful
comment
and
taking
the
time
to
submit
it
to
us.
But
are
there
any
comments,
questions
or
context
from
Members
or
staff
Randy.
B
Yeah,
thank
you.
Jack
I
think
it's
it's
a
great
point
to
bring
up
I.
Don't
know
we
talked
about
in
this
commission
before,
but
we
definitely
it's
been
appointed
discussion
in
the
city.
I
think
he
raises
great
points.
I
think
that
we
do
a
poor
job
and
and
not
saying
I,
don't
want
to
point
fingers
saying
you
know
this
and
that
I
know
it's
complicated.
We
have
resources
it's
hard
to
do,
but
but
I
don't
think
we
do
a
good
job.
B
I've
tried
the
calming
and
responding
to
requests
and
having
Creative
Solutions
and
having
him,
you
know,
do
things,
and
so
in
the
past,
things
like
asphalt
and
bikes
has
actually
taking
on
some
responsibility
for
traffic
calming
doing
some
projects
on
on
a
couple
different.
You
know
West
Asheville
and
then
in
in
downtown
South
slope,
so
I
think
the
city's
been
really
welcoming
for
those
kind
of
opportunities
which
is
great
for
them
to
be
creative
and
and
try
and
do
some
other
traffic
calming,
but
I
think
it'd
be
great.
A
Yeah
thanks
Randy
anyone
else.
A
F
Thank
you,
yeah
I
did
really
appreciate
this
comment
that
we
received,
and
especially
comparing
system
that
we
have
in
place
to
the
system
that
Greenville
South
Carolina
is
taking
I
lived
in
Greenville,
South
Carolina
for
seven
years,
and
so
I
did
look
on
their
website
a
little
bit
and
actually
live
on
a
street
where
some
traffic
calming
policies
were
implemented.
F
But
the
point
I
wanted
to
call
out
specifically
that
I
found
interesting
was
that
the
policy
States
residents
were
given
a
toolbox
of
traffic
calming
measures
but
later
in
the
policy
due
to
limited
Financial
Resources,
the
only
traffic
calming
devices
considered
at
this
time
are
speed,
constant
speed
cushions
and
there
are
grade
restrictions
for
which
those
two
types
of
traffic
calming
policies
can
be
used
which
actually
disqualifies
a
lot
of
the
streets
in
Asheville
because
of
our
topography.
F
So
I
would
definitely
support
exploring
you
know,
adding
a
few
more
options
to
that
toolkit,
knowing
that
the
ones
that
we're
offering
aren't
appropriate
for
all
streets,
because
they're
too
steep
or
something
you
know,
yeah.
A
Context
or
any
questions,
yeah
Leanna.
E
E
I
was
about
to
go
off
the
deep
end
with
you
know,
an
ability
to
safely
enjoy
my
community
and
I
gave
up
at
step
two
and
a
half
with
the
process
and
I
know
I'm,
probably
not
alone,
and
that's
probably
part
of
Tim's
instigation
into
the
comment.
So
I
guess
I'm
just
wondering
you
know
looking
you
know
taking
a
balanced
view
of
the
comments.
E
A
Yeah
not
before
I
hand
it
off
to
you
Jessica
and
then
to
Maggie
I
just
want
to
point
out.
This
is
a
complicated
topic
and
you
know
my
suggestion
is
that
we
look
at
putting
this
on
a
future
agenda
item.
So
we
don't,
you
know,
put
City
staff
on.
You
know
moment's
notice
to
be
able
to
respond
to
something,
that's
really
complex.
So
my
recommendation
is,
we
take
a
look
at
it,
but
I
definitely
would
like
to
hear
from
Jessica
go
ahead.
Jessica.
J
Sure
real
quickly,
we
we
as
staff,
really
do
want
to
update
the
policy
and
agree
with
much
of
what
has
been
said.
The
current
policy
is
is,
in
our
opinion,
outdated,
too
limited
and
options
to
onerous
and
time
consuming
for
for
residents
and
for
staff.
J
I
will
say
that
we
get.
We
probably
have
a
list
of
over
200
complaints
about
feeding
and
and
everyone
asking
for
Speed
hump
and
to
address
all
of
those
complaints,
and
they
come
in
probably
one
or
two
a
week
is
a
very
time
consuming
process
for
staff
to
view
the
data
collection
and
such,
and
so
we
do
want
to
update
the
policy.
J
We've
requested
we've
requested
in
the
budget
process,
probably
for
the
last
three
years,
maybe
more
some
additional
funding
resources
to
help
us
hire
someone
that
can
do
the
public
engagement
and
help
us
with
the
policy
update,
because
we
don't
have
staff
capacity
to
take
it
on
ourselves.
J
J
Humps
are
not
necessarily
always
a
good
solution
and
they're
they're
also
not
always
allowed,
not
only
because
of
grade,
but
fire
department
response
times
and
such
so
having
a
bigger
toolbox
would
be
helpful
and
there
are
also
other
communities
that
have
found
some
ways
to
make
their
process
less
less
difficult,
and
so
we
do
have
some
good
bottles
to
look
for.
Thank
you.
Your
challenge
is
mostly
Staffing
Resources,
so.
A
E
E
Would
you
know
like
what
are
the
questions
we,
as
a
citizen
Advisory
board?
Can
we
do
and
advocate
for
it?
It
sounds
like
advocating
for
budgetary
decisions
that
could
help
influence.
Making
policy
change
would
be
helpful
and
that's
probably
just
the
tip
of
the
iceberg.
So
I
guess
I'm
wondering
you
know
with
a
a
brief
and
I.
E
Don't
think
anybody
should
break
any
fingernails
to
to
write
a
kind
of
situation,
analysis
or
briefing
paper,
but
you
know
even
just
like
one
or
two
pages
to
help
us
understand
the
situation
more
fully
and
and
what
is
the
best
way
for
us
to
work
collaboratively
with
the
transportation
department
to
try
to
address
these
shared
concerns
across
the
city.
J
Yes,
yes,
I
I
can't
promise
that
it
would
be
the
next
agenda,
but
I
think
that
I
think
that
it
can
be
a
future
a
nearer
term.
Future
conversation
for
sure.
A
L
A
Right
on,
thank
you
Nicole
for
clarifying
Mandy
good
heads
up
there,
so
we'll
step
back
I
believe
we
so
we're
gonna
move
on
and
we
need
emotion
or
is.
A
To
approve
the
agenda
for
today.
A
Was
that
you,
oh
yeah
there
you
are
Randy!
Thank
you
and
the
second,
the
second
okay
Elise
committee
members.
When
I
say
your
name,
please
say:
I
or
nay,
Randy,
I,
Kenny,
hi,
Joe,
Chesler,
yes,
hi,
Leanna,
hi,
Elise,
I
and
Mike
hi
and
I'm
an
I.
So
the
agenda
is
approved
for
today.
A
I
want
to
introduce
a
new,
regular
item
to
our
agenda,
which
is
having
sharing
some
announcements
of
events
and
activities
that
are
related
to
the
mission
of
the
multimodal
Transportation
Commission.
The
spirit
of
it
is
that
we,
as
commission
members
engage
with
other
committees,
engage
with
things
that
are
happening
in
the
city
and
I
thought
it
would
be
useful.
A
The
process
for
this
is
I.
Will
you
know,
shoot
out
an
email
to
members
asking
for
announcements,
so
I
can
vet
them
and
then
I
can
share
them
and
so
I'm
going
to
share
my
screen
right
now.
A
And
just
briefly
share
with
you
a
couple
of
these
events:
I
hope
you
can
see
them
okay,
but
the
first
couple
are
committee
meetings,
so
the
transit
committee
and
the
greenway
committee
I
think
those
are
great
opportunities
for
members
to
attend
and
engage
with
and
be
able
to
share
information
across
those
two
committees
and
I
know
we
do
have
a
representation
at
our
meetings
from
those
committees,
but
the
transit
committee
doesn't
meet
this
coming
September,
but
does
in
October
and
The
Greenway
committee
meets
on
Thursday
September
7th,
the
first
Thursday
of
the
month,
I
believe
that
meeting
and
that
meeting
is
live
by
the
way
the
transit
committee
is
still
virtual.
A
Elizabeth,
like
us
Worley,
wanted
me
to
share
information
about
the
Festival
of
neighbors
September
30th
at
the
MLK
Junior
Park,
and
that
is
a
celebration
of
our
City's,
neighborhoods
and
I.
Think
that's
also
a
great
opportunity
to
share
what
we're
doing
and
get
information.
A
I
know
I'm,
looking
forward
to
attending
the
dedication
of
the
Karen
kragnolin
Park
Greenway
I
know
that's
just
a
huge
project
that
took
lots
of
energy
lots
of
resources
from
the
city
from
riverlink
and
so
many
folks,
and
so
that
dedication
is
coming
up
this
Friday
at
four
and
it's
followed
by
connect
buncombe's
brewing
for
Greenways
initiative
down
at
the
high
wire
rad
to
celebrate
afterwards.
A
Kenny
also
shared
with
me,
the
hellbender
Regional
Greenway
Forum
on
the
31st
of
August
and
I.
Think
that
should
be
super
cool,
just
a
great
opportunity
to
engage
with
others
doing
this
kind
of
work
and
I
think
we'll
hear
from
Anna
later
about
the
bicycle
and
pedestrian
counts.
A
So
we'll
hear
some
more
information
about
what's
happening
there
and
how
to
engage
and
then
finally,
sharing
with
you
a
cool
event
on
the
Hominy
Creek
Greenway,
put
on
by
the
friends
of
hominy
Creek
Greenway
to
celebrate
one
of
our
exciting
segments
of
Greenway
with
special
guest
Graham
sharp
of
the
Steep
Canyon
Rangers.
They
all
should
come
out
check
that
out
so
in
the
future.
If
you
all
have
items
that
you
want
to
share
with
me,
send
me
an
email
at
any
time
and
I'll
add
them
to
the
list.
A
C
Hey
yeah
I
forgot
to
mention
that
the
city
is.
They
have
a
survey
now
for
the
Reed
Creek
Greenway
extension
project
and
it's
live
until
September
22nd,
so
I
thought
I'd
throw
it
in
now
because
I
don't
know
if
we'll
make
it
to
the
next
meeting.
C
So
read
quick
Greenway
there
doing
a
feasibility
study
with
McAdams
I
believe
to
extend
it
North
all
the
way
to
Riverside,
Drive
and
South,
somehow
through
Montford
to
the
pedestrian
bridge
at
Isaac,
Dixon,
Elementary,
and
so
there's
a
survey
online
now
to
get
input
from
the
public.
So
I
thought
everybody
should
jump
on
it
and
participate
awesome.
A
Thanks,
Kenny
and
and
kudos
to
all
the
people
doing
great
work
from
the
city
and
non-profits
and
all
the
other
sectors.
It's
a
really
cool
list
of
things
happening.
I
think
it
shows
the
kind
of
level
of
activity
that's
happening
in
the
city
right
now
and
I
think
that's
exciting.
A
All
right!
We
are
on
to
our
next
agenda
item
a
new
business
item
and
that
is
to
introduce
our
new
member
of
the
commission
and
we
heard
briefly
from
Mike
Mike.
Would
you
take
a
couple
minutes
just
to
give
us
a
a
deeper
introduction?
What
you're
involved
in
and
your
interest
in
serving
on
this
Commission.
G
Sure
yeah
I'm,
Mike,
Sakowski
I'm,
originally
originally
from
Southern
California
I,
am
a
Navy
combat
veteran
after
serving
in
the
military
I
got
my
degree
in
civil
engineering,
then
took
a
position
at
AECOM,
which
is
a
international
consulting
firm
after
working
for
them
for
a
while,
I
was
Consulting
for
Walt
Disney
imagineering
and
then
I
went
on
board
to
wdi
Walt
Disney
imagineering,
where
I
worked
with
Joe
Chesler
small
world,
then
I
after
that,
I
moved
on
to
the
City
of
Long
Beach,
where
I
kind
of
worked
the
other
side
working
as
a
consultant
for
a
developer
than
working
for
the
city
kind
of
gave
me
a
really
good
view
from
both
sides
and
see
how
the
different
sides
look
at
things
and
the
different
opportunities
and
how
they
can
work
together.
G
At
50,
I
was
able
to
retire
I
retired
from
being
a
project
manager
and
moved
to
Asheville
I've
been
here
ever
since
I
was
active
in
Dr
rad
in
Ceramics
and
with
the
I-26
Aesthetics
committee
for
the
last
four
years,
and
that
was
on
the
night.
That's
on
a
nine
month
committee,
that's
in
our
fourth
year.
G
So
you
know
how
committees
can
work
now:
I
have
fnd
functional
neurological
disorder,
so
most
the
time
I'm
in
a
wheelchair,
sometimes
I
walk.
So
I
would
like
to
really
look
at
some
of
the
emphasis
and
some
of
the
issues
that
they
had.
People
have
in
the
city.
A
Hey,
thank
you
Mike.
It's
super
to
have
you
what
a
great
range
of
skills!
It
is
amazing.
The
level
of
skill
on
this
commission
is
really
great,
so
look
forward
to
tapping
into
that
next
up,
I'm,
going
to
turn
it
over
to
Jessica
on
a
proposed
right-of-way
closure
to
review
and
consider
a
proposed
closure
for
a
portion
of
excess,
right-of-way
adjacent
to
a
hundred
Craven
Street.
K
J
I
had
a
technical
difficulty.
Let
me
try
again.
J
Okay
Okay,
so
we've
got
a
couple
of
posts
right
away,
closures
today,
so
we'll
kick
it
off
here
with
the
first
one,
which
is
related
to
100
Craven
Street
and
the
owner
of
the
parcel
at
100.
Craven
Street
has
petitioned
for
this
closure
and
it's
a
very
small
piece
of
excess
right-of-way
that
actually
attached
to
the
Craven
Street
right
away
or
is
the
cravancy
right
away
and
I'll
show
you
some
maps.
J
So
you
can
see
what
that
looks
like,
but
this
closure
request
is
associated
with
a
level
two
development
which
is
for
23
unit
multi-story.
Building
on
that
parcel
and
as
I
said,
it's
a
small
triangle-shaped
part
of
piece
of
the
right-of-way,
that's
located
along
the
western
edge.
It
is
not
this
portion
of
right
away
is
not
currently
in
use
or
maintained
by
the
city,
and
it
does
not
indeed
any
future
Transportation
connections
or
any
utilities.
J
So
not
sure
how
easy
it
is
to
be
here,
but
you
can
craving
straight
here,
is
what
is
running
kind
of
north
east
south
west
and
the
the
right-of-way
actually
doesn't
even
really
line
up
with
the
street.
But
there's
this
little
purplish
triangle
here
that
for
some
reason
or.
K
J
J
So
it's
roughly
right
by
where
the
red
arrow
is
pointing,
and
so
our
technical
Review
Committee,
which
is
the
stock
level
committee,
met
on
July
17th
to
review
this
request
and
the
recommendation
was
to
approve
it
and
forward
it
to
the
multimodal
Transportation
Commission
so
happy
to
answer
any
questions,
and
if
you
guys
are
willing,
then
the
motion
would
be
to
recommend
that
city
council
approve
the
requested
closure
of
an
access,
right-of-way
adjacent
to
100
Craven
street
I'm.
Happy
to
answer
any
questions.
G
D
Yeah
Jessica.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
Jack.
We
don't
have
any
Transit
service
on
Craven
at
this
location.
Do
we.
D
A
B
A
All
right,
all
in
favor,
Randy,
I,
Kenny,
I.
C
A
J
A
Second,
proposed
right-of-way
commit
closure
on
the
agenda
and
that's
to
review
and
consider
a
proposed
closure
for
an
unopened
right
away
between
Sulfur,
Springs,
Road
and
Lane
Avenue,
so
handing
it
off
to
you
Jessica.
J
Okay,
so
our
second
one,
this
is
more
along
the
lines
of
ones
we've
seen
in
the
past
or
there
it's
an
actual,
an
actual
unopened,
slatted
right-of-way
from
many
decades
ago,
and
this
one
happens
to
be
between
Sulfur
Springs,
Road
and
Lane
Avenue,
and
this
is
over
by
the
UCF
Herring
elementary
school
I'll
show
some
maps,
so
you
can
get
a
better
contact
and
I
believe
the
applicant
might
be
on
the
line
with
us
as
well:
the
property
owner.
His
name
is
Jeremy
Cohen.
He
is
the
owner
of
160
Sulfur
Spring.
J
Two
on
the
left
side
and
two
on
the
east
side
and
the
right-of-way
closure,
if
it
is
approved,
would
be
divided
among
those
four
properties
and
a
new
plot
with
the
new
property
lines
would
be
filed
and
all
of
the
adjacent
Property
Owners
do
this
right
away,
have
signed
affidavits
of
approval,
and
so
the
Orange
Line
in
here
is
the
unopened
right
away.
J
It's
about
25
deep
wide
here
is
one
160,
Sulfur,
Springs,
158
and
then
down
here
is
Lane
Avenue,
where
the
other
two
Parcels
that
share
this
right-of-way
are,
and
here
is
what
it
looked
like
from
the
parcel
map.
So
you
can
see
that
it
connects
through
here
and
I've,
got
some
photos
to
help.
You
see
more
of
the
what
it
looks
like
actually
on
the
ground
if
my
computer
will
respond
here.
J
Oh
here's,
a
vicinity
map
so
just
to
give
a
more
kind
of
spread
out
view
broader
view
of
where
this
is
you've
got
Sulfur
Springs
kind
of
winding
along
here
through
the
North,
and
there
is
sidewalk
on
Sulfur
Springs
Road.
You've
got
the
elementary
school
right
here.
J
Lane
Avenue
and
the
orange
line
again
is
the
unopened
right-of-way.
So
you
can
see
that
they're.
There
isn't
really
a
lot
of
connectivity
right
here,
but
this
this
right-of-way
doesn't
necessarily
help
provide
any
additional
connectivity.
That
would
be,
in
my
opinion,
be
very
useful
from
a
transportation
perspective,
and
then
this
this,
these
blue
lines
are
the
existing
where
you've
got
existing
sidewalk,
and
so
you
can
see
that
Sulfur
Springs
is
the
primary
sidewalk
that
goes
to
the
front
of
the
Lucia,
scaring
Elementary
School.
J
This
parking
lot
back
here,
I
think
is
more
for
Bus
drop
off.
There
is
a
sidewalk
coming
up.
Clinton
I
think
it
is
Avenue
that
can
students
can
access
the
the
school
from
this
direction
too
if
they
wish
so
they
they
do
have
access
via
sidewalk
from
essentially
from
both
directions,
although
it
would
be
I,
think
nice
projects
for
us
to
do
here
have
a
little
a
little
connection
right
here
on
the
median.
J
So
this
is
what
the
the
unopened
right-of-way
looks
like
if
you're
on
Sulfur
Springs,
Road
and
you're
looking
South,
so
you
can
see
that
it
does
start
to
drop
off
towards
the
rear
and
then,
if
you
were
on
the
lane
avenue
side,
looking
North,
essentially
this
this
wall
I
believe,
is
more
or
less
kind
of
in
the
middle
of
where
that
unopened
right-of-way
is,
you
can
see,
the
Topography
is
going
up
towards
Sulfur
Springs
and
then
there's
a
grade
change
that
that's
happening
here
because
of
this
retaining
wall
and
here's
another
another
vantage
point
just
to
get
some
more
perspective.
J
J
This
is
on
Culper
Springs
Road,
looking
East
again
toward
the
school.
This
is
the
sidewalk.
That's
going
towards
the
school,
with
this
lovely
electric
Pole
right
in
the
middle
of
it,
but
this
driveway,
this
gravel
driveway
over
here
is
essentially
where
that
right-of-way
is
located.
J
And
again,
additional
contacts:
this
is
the
intersection
of
Lane
Avenue
in
Clifton,
so
here's
the
school,
the
the
back
parking
lot
or
where
the
buses
pull
in,
and
so
you
can
see
here
that
if
there
were
students
coming
from
Lane
Avenue,
they
would
be
crossing
here.
J
So
we
have
closely
reviewed
this
request.
You
know
we
tried
to
look
for
opportunities
for
connections
even
if
they're
not
necessarily
for
a
vehicle,
but
if
there
could
be
beneficial
opportunities
for
connectivity
for
bicyclists
and
pedestrian
and
I
think
with
this
one.
After
looking
at
it
it
given
the
existing
topography,
the
walls
and
structures
that
are
are
there
within
the
right
of
way
and
looking
at
the
broader
connectivity
in
the
neighborhood,
this
there
was
someone
coming
from
north
or
south
or
west,
and
they
were,
for
example,
wanting
to
head
to
the
school.
J
Having
this
connection
doesn't
necessarily
really
make
anybody's
route
shorter,
because
there
are
other
parallel
connections
that
that
could
be
used,
though
the
staff
staff
feels
that
there
isn't
a
public
benefit
to
leaving
this
right
of
way,
as
did,
and
there
are
often
no
utility
conflicts
present
so
on
the
17th
of
July,
the
TRC
met
and
reviewed
the
request
and
recommended
that
it
moved
forward
to
the
multimodal
commission
and
that
at
d
considered
for
approval,
so
I'm
happy
to
answer
any
questions
and
I
can
bring
up
these
Maps
again.
J
H
J
I
well,
I,
don't
have
a
survey
that
says
that,
and
it's
a
little
difficult
for
me
to
answer
that
question
without
having
that
detail.
It's
it's
it's
close.
If
it's
not
in
the
right
of
way,
it
would
be,
it
would
be
close,
just
visually
looking
visually,
but
I,
don't
feel
confident
enough
to
say
either
way.
Yes
or
no.
H
Okay
is
it
it
seems
reasonable,
then
that
a
survey
would
need
to
be
done
to
determine
that
I
mean
I
guess
what
I'm
getting
at
is
obviously
that
that
particular
property
owner
isn't
the
one
who's
bringing
the
request
for
the
closure.
However,
they
stand
to
benefit
if
they've
actually
put
that
wall
in
the
right-of-way.
A
B
A
B
This
is
like
one
of
the
best
well
one
of
the
most
comprehensive
presentations
we've
done
on
a
right-of-way
closure.
You've
done
a
great
job
of
showing
so
many
different
aspects
of
this
because
oftentimes,
if
we're
not
familiar
with
the
specific
spot,
it's
really
hard
to
come
put
in
the
context
you
know,
and
so
I
know
in
the
pre-meeting.
We
talked
about
this
and
the
access
to
the
school,
and
that
was
a
big
concern
and
again
it's
in
Jackson,
neighborhood
but
I.
Think
right.
But
it's
not.
B
So
I
wasn't
so
familiar,
but
I
think
you've
done
a
good
job,
so
I
appreciate
that
it
just
helps
us
make
a
much
better
decision,
I
think
knowing
possible
routes.
That
kind
of
stuff
too,
because
for
me
just
looking
at
it
first
off
I
thought:
well,
that's
a
great
shortcut.
You
know
and
I
think
that
you
know
if
I
was
a
kid
in
the
neighborhood
I'd
be
taking
it,
but
it
doesn't
seem
like
it
is
necessarily
the
only
thing
I
really
comment
was
besides.
B
A
great
job
of
giving
us
perspective
is
that
we
brought
up
a
long
time
ago
about
how
sometimes
the
private
benefits
from
public
acquisition
or
from
the
acquisition
of
public
property,
and
that
just
seemed
like
this
is.
This
is
one
of
those
cases.
B
So
it
just
seems
like
the
city
doesn't
get
any
kind
of
compensation,
yet
somebody's
benefiting
somewhat
significantly
from
the
acquisition
of
public
property.
And
so
again
we
haven't
talked
about
it
for
a
while
I
think,
but
for
a
while
it
was
whenever
we
talked
about
it
quite
a
bit
and
so
I
think
that
just
to
get
that
as
a
is
a
concern
and
then
again,
we
never
the
reason
why
we
didn't.
B
J
Yeah,
it's
a
private
youth
of
of
publicly
public
land
or
public
basis.
Definitely
a
topic
you'll
hear
more
about
later
on
from
Dana,
but
yeah
it's
con.
It's
complicated!
These
right-of-ways
are
not
technically
owned
by
anyone.
They're
they're,
not
even
really
owned
by
the
city.
J
We
are
the
stewards
of
them
and
the
body,
the
Council
of
the
body
that
can
authorize
closure
and
we
are
supposed
to
look
at
them
from
the
standpoint
of
does
the
closure
have
a
negative
impact
on
the
public
and
it's
so
it's
not
the
most
clear-cut
and
dried
process
or
situation
or
state
law
for
that
matter.
But
I
think
you
know
one
of
the
questions
about
or
your
question
about
whether
or
not
the
city
could
benefit
from
financially
or
otherwise
from
these
Property
Transfers.
J
If
you
will
has
been
a
little
bit
uncertain,
but
from
my
recollection
is
that
legal
thinks
that
we
that's
not
necessarily
something
that
we
can
do
since
we
don't
actually
own
the
land,
but
it
could
we
could
revisit
since
it
has
been
a
couple
years
since
we've
had
that
conversation.
I
do
think
that
the
the
applicant
Jeremy
Cohen
is
on
the
line,
if
the,
if
Jeremy,
do
you
have
any
comments
that
you'd
like
to
make?
J
J
I,
don't
know,
maybe
he's
stepped
away
if
he
hops
on,
and
maybe
he
can
answer
some
of
those
other
questions.
H
Just
go
back
out,
I
wanted
to
ask
the
question
first
and
then
kind
of
give
my
comments.
I
would
also
just
real
quick
second
Randy's
comments.
This
is
a
great
presentation.
Thank
you,
Jessica,
for
putting
all
this
together.
I.
Just
you
know,
I
went
I
really
started
looking
at
this
one
and
I
went
on
to
the
county
JIS
website
and
there's
like
Lane
Avenue
Inglewood
Avenue,
Dunn
Street
cross
connect
from
Clinton
all
the
way
over
to
Delaware.
H
There's
lots
of
these
little
kind
of
unopened
right-of-ways
around
that
provide
that
certainly
could
provide
better
cross-connectivity.
However,
when
I
look
at
this,
one
I
think
what
if
that's
a
shared
driveway
that
goes
all
the
way
through,
that
has
a
fence
in
the
middle.
So
you
can't
access
through,
but
each
one
of
those
Property
Owners
is
able
to
put
an
Adu
in
the
backyard
it.
It
becomes
more
of
a
public
street
that
allows
that
perhaps
but
it
to
me.
H
This
is
one
of
those
really
gray
areas
where
I
would
want
to
see
exactly
what
the
development
proposal
is.
Is
the
community
if
he
wants
to
put
a
four
Plex
there
and
they're
all
affordable
fine?
But
if
it's
just
like
I
want
to
make,
my
thousand
square
foot
house
felt
five
thousand
square
feet,
and
the
wall
thing
to
me
is
a
really
big
one.
I
mean
I.
G
Yeah
I
I
want
to
just
second
with
Joe
had
to
say
it
seems
like
especially
the
person
with
the
wall
is
really
benefiting
and
the
city
is
not
benefiting
at
all.
Also.
This
looks
like
a
fair
amount
of
land.
It's
almost
as
much
land
as
one
of
the
properties
itself.
G
So
are
we
talking
about
a
quarter
of
an
acre,
a
tenth
of
an
acre
if
the
city
can't
charge
them
the
fair?
Ideally,
it
seems
that
the
city
should
charge
them
the
fair
value,
fair
market
value
of
the
land.
If
they
can't
do
that,
can
they
at
least
have
that
land
assessed
for
its
value
and
have
that
increased
on
their
property
value
for
taxing,
so
the
city
at
least
gets
something
from
this
transaction.
J
Yeah
yeah,
so
we
we
have
been
told
by
legal
that
we
can't
basically
sell
the
land
or
or
receive
payment
for
it,
but
when,
when
these
go
through
you're,
essentially
creating
new
property
line
which
in
in
all
cases,
is
making
somebody's
property
or
multiple
property
larger,
and
so
therefore
there
they
will
be
paying
additional
and
you
know
additional
property
taxes,
because
they
will
have
essentially
a
larger
parcel
than
they
did
previously.
J
It's.
This
is
about
25
feet
wide
by
maybe
150
feet
long
give
or
take
so
and
that's
going
to
be
split
in
four
ways.
So
each
of
those
four
Property
Owners
will
have
a
slightly
bigger
piece
of
land
that
they
will
pay
slightly
more
taxes
on
at
the
next
assessment.
G
A
Oh
yeah
go
ahead.
Jessica
would.
J
Kind
of
this
is
kind
of
a
maybe
a
it's
obviously
an
issue
that
we
could
look
into
and.
J
I
think
if
I
think
I
will
need
to
talk
to
DFD
about
what
that
looks
like
so,
I
can't
really
give
an
answer
right
now.
It
would.
It
would
definitely
need
to
be
looked
at
and
I
I'm,
not
sure
what
our
Authority
is
at
this
moment
to
to
do
that
and
how
that
impacts.
Its
request
so
kind
of
something
that
I'd
have
to
walk
through
with
DSD
and
see
what
they
think.
C
Yeah
I,
when
Joe
mentioned
Buncombe
County
GIS
I've
opted
up
and
it's
kind
of
crazy
how
much
unopened
right-of-way
there
is
I
mean
in
this
neighborhood
alone.
Lane
Avenue
extends
all
the
way
over
to
Delaware
Inglewood
and
done
all
have
this
unopened
right-of-way
that
would
connect
Clinton
and
Delaware
Avenues
and
I
was
wondering
with
staff
time
in
the
near
future.
If,
if
there
could
be
some
kind
of
mapping
or
assessment
of
all
these
right-of-ways
that
have
potential
to
be
open
to
become
some
kind
of
walkway
or
Street.
K
J
That
would
be.
That
would
be
probably
a
very
intensive
effort
because
there
are
so
many
of
them
all
over
the
place
and
the
issue
is
you
look
at
it
on
a
map
like
this
and
it's
like?
Oh
that's,
easy,
and
then
you
get
down
to
the
details
and
one
of
those
details
is
there's
actually
a
creek,
that's
running
north
south
between
Meadowbrook
Avenue
and
Sulfur
Springs
in
Delaware,
so
that
that's
probably
one
of
the
primary
reasons
why
those
never
connected,
because
it's
because
of
that
Creek.
J
So
it's
it's
the
the
on
the
ground
issue
that
I
think
has
sometimes
led
to
these
streets.
Not
beings
actually
created
in
real
life.
But
if
and
when
we
find
some
time,
we
can
do
that.
Yeah.
J
K
C
A
discussion
about
like
making
right-of-ways
already
exists
more
visibly
clear
that
it
is
a
public
right-of-way,
for
instance,
in
my
neighborhood
there's,
a
shared
Alleyway
between
houses,
that's
public
and
you
can
cut
through
and
it's
fine
and
we
kind
of
know
about
it,
but
there's
not
any
kind
of
signage
that
says
hey.
This
is
a
public
alley
that
you
can
go
to.
You
know
in
Montford
there's,
like
actual
alleys.
That
say
this
is
an
alley,
whereas
some
are
just
they
exist.
But
it's
not
really
clear.
K
J
An
interesting
I,
the
thought
and
I
I
think
what
I
could
do
is
reach
out
to
Naval
again
and
ask
them
what
their
perspective
is
on.
That.
A
E
I
am
I'm
just
I'm
I'm
I'm,
taken
by
the
proximity
of
this
access
road
to
the
school
and
also
knowing
all
the
other
degrees
of
an
open
right
of
way
or
or
I
guess,
right-of-ways
and
kind
of
paper
alleys
throughout
this
neighborhood.
And
it
just
feels
to
me
that
there's
some
direct
correlation
between
what
we
were
talking
around
traffic
calming
and
and
I
thought
that
very
helpful.
Little
graphic
around
the
degree
of
injury
related
to
high
speeds
and
pedestrians.
E
And
we
know
so
many
of
our
streets
aren't
built
with
sidewalks
and
that
access
is
difficult
and
here's
a
really
beautiful,
particularly
when
it's
nested
and
in
in
communities
to
serve
as
a
a
means
of
connecting
communities
and
and
and
people
to
their
destinations.
And
so.
E
It's
you
know,
I
think
often
they
are
underutilized
by
people
as
Transportation
corridors
because
to
Kenny's
point
they
aren't
signed
and
it
just
looks
like
someone's
property
a
lot
of
times.
So
these
are
these
are
great
questions,
but
it
feels
like
you
know,
looking
full
circle
at
multimodal
transportation.
E
If
you
know
that
you
can
take
a
quicker
route
from
Delaware
Avenue
to
the
school
that
that
you
know
Cuts
cross
country-
and
you
don't
mind-
you
know,
stepping
on
the
creek
you
know
is:
is
there
the
potential
to
facilitate
greater
access
to
public
resource
that
does
exist
in
what's
largely
right,
now
kind
of
this
unknown
area,
it's
known
by
the
homeowners,
often
who
live
adjacent
to
it?
But
it's
not
often
known
to
many
others
and
sometimes
they're
fenced
off.
You
know
there's
one
in
my
neighborhood.
It
goes.
E
You
know
straight
from
one
street
to
the
next
it'd
be
a
beautiful
way
to
walk,
but
it's
got
a
fence
someone's
put
up.
K
Oh
Jeremy
hi
is
there
anything
that
you
Jeremy?
Is
there
anything
that
you
would
like
to
add
before
we
wrap
up.
A
Yes,
okay,
I
do
have
one
question:
can
you
explain
maybe
for
all
of
our
members,
all
of
our
members?
What
the
next
step
is:
where
does
it
go
from
multimodal
just
lay
that
out
what
are
other
opportunities
for
members
of
the
public
to
chime
in
on
a
right-of-way
closure.
J
So
state
law
is
really
what
governs
this
process
mostly,
although
the
city
has
added
additional
steps
to
try
to
have
more
public
engagement,
such
as
that
so,
for
example,
not
required
by
state
law
that
the
multimodal
be
a
stop
on
the
way
to
council,
but
we
think
that
it
makes
sense
to
do
so.
So,
but
what's
the
next
step
is
after
this
is
their
the
requirement.
Is
that
there'd
be
two
Council
meetings?
J
The
first
one
is
really
just
Council
saying
we're
going
to
have
a
public
hearing,
and
it's
going
to
be
on
this
date.
Four
five,
six
weeks
from
now,
so
that
that
the
resolution-
that's
half
that
says
It's
Our
intention-
is
to
have
a
public
hearing
on
its
request
in
X
number
of
weeks
or
on
this
date.
J
Then,
as
soon
as
they
pass
that
resolution
of
intent
for
the
public
hearing
staff
goes
out
and
puts
up
two
signs
which
one
probably
will
be
on
Lane
Avenue
and
one
will
be
on
Sulfur
Spring
and
that
will
have
the
notice
that
says:
there's
a
proposed
right
away.
Closure,
that's
also
requirement
of
state
law
and
then
another
requirement
of
state
law
is
that
we
have
or
consecutive
week
of
running
a
public
notice
in
the
paper
leading
between
the
first
council
meeting
and
the
public
hearing.
J
So
all
of
those
things
take
place,
but
there
is
not
like
a
notice
that
goes
out
broadly
to
a
certain
butter
area.
So,
for
example,
so
Next
Step
would
be
countful
I.
Think
we've
got
it
tentatively,
scheduled
for
the
wealth,
I,
think
of
September
can't
I,
it's
either
the
12th
or
the
26th.
For
that
first
council
meeting.
Okay.
F
This
is
Elise,
I
was
just
I,
also
serve
on
the
neighborhood
advisory
committee.
So
I
was
just
kind
of
thinking
about
this
from
a
neighborhood
perspective
and
there
is
a
neighborhood
called
Rhododendron
Creek,
that's
registered
with
the
city
that
comprises
those
three
kind
of
horizontal
streets
of
Lane,
Avenue
and
whatever
south
of
that
I.
Just
wonder
if
any
of
the
folks
residing
in
that
neighborhood
might
have
some
comments
about
about
this.
K
J
Yeah
right
now
we
don't
have
a
process
for
going
to
Neighborhood
meetings
associated
with
these
types
of
closures.
That's
something
that
we
can
consider,
maybe
adding
to
the
process.
It
just
you
know
just
adds
a
lot
more
staff
time
and
and
but
I
I,
don't
think.
That's
a
bad
idea
by
any
means.
D
Yeah,
thank
you.
Jack
I'm,
I'm
troubled
by
by
what
what
I've
been
hearing
as
far
as
what
appears
to
be
a
rather
lackluster
analysis
by
the
technical
rebuke.
D
And
then
I'm,
not
sure,
I'm
sure
it's
well
well-meaning,
that
I'm
not
sure
they've
looked
at
the
comprehensiveness
of
maybe
linking
together
many
of
these
these
rights
of
way
before
we
they
come
to
us
for
a
decision
and
I
I
I'd
like
to
move
that
that
the
city
engage
a
comprehensive
study
of
these
underutilized
rights
of
way
to
determine
opportunities
for
enhanced
connectivity,
especially
with
regards
to
bicycle
and
pedestrian
activity.
A
I
So
the
council's
planning
and
economic
development
commission
or
Committee
of
which
I
am
on
Sage
Turner,
is
on
and
Sandra
Kilgore
vice
mayor
Kilgore,
is
on.
One
of
the
items
on
our
work
plan
for
the
year
is
to
work
with
a
soon
to
be
hired
real
estate
manager
to
look
at
city-owned
land
and
city-owned
assets.
I
feel
like
you
all
elevating
a
conversation
around
this
General
topic
could
be
timely
to
plug
into
that.
I
I
know
that
the
effort
to
do
broad
analysis
is
often
staff
intensive,
but
I,
don't
know
the
timeline
of
the
hiring
of
that
person,
but
there's
nothing
like
being
the
first
thing
on
someone's
work
plate
to
to
get
some
priority,
so
I
might
be
grasping
at
straws
to
connect
the
dots.
If
we
look
at
that
person's
job
description,
it
might
just
be
totally
off
or
I.
Don't
really
remember
the
timing
of
that
hiring
but
wanted
to
kind
of
put
that
into
the
brainstorm
and
see
Jessica.
A
H
Thanks
Jack
I'm
sorry
I
was
done,
I
just
wanted
to
and
I
know
a
couple
of
people
on
this
commission.
Certainly
Miss,
Ullman
and
and
Randy
know
that
these
rights
away
things
every
time
they
come
up.
These
discussions,
they've
gotten
shorter
they've,
been
longer
it's
just
a
constant,
constant
and
I
know.
In
the
last
several
years,
we've
revised
the
process,
but
I
just
for
the
people
who
are
newer
on
multimodal
and
just
as
a
maybe
as
a
a
reminder
again
to
everybody
it
it's.
Even
though
we
have
revised
the
process.
H
E
I
wanted
to
pick
back
up
on
Joe's
motion
because
I
think
it
needs
a
second
centered
on
recommendation
to
to
analyze
and
look
at
these
rights
of
way
and
and
what
potential
they
hold
be
that
signage
for
access
and
intended
connectivity
or
or
other
opportunities
it
does.
It
does
feel
like
some
of
the
public.
Good
evaluation
is
not
considered
yet
enough,
so
I
think
it's
it
yeah.
So
I
would
second
that
motion
from
Joe.
That's
the.
A
Short
thing
yeah
before
we
go
to
a
second
and
we'll
go
back
to
Joe,
to
restate
that
Kenny.
Do
you
have
last
comment
Kenny
and
then
back
to
Joe.
C
Yeah
just
I
feel
like
this
is
such
a
reactive
process,
and
these
right-of-ways
have
been
there
for
100
plus
years
I
mean
they're
they're,
there
they're
not
going
anywhere,
so
you
know
take
take
as
long
as
you
want,
but
if
we
can,
you
know,
get
this
study
kind
of
on
paper
and
then
the
analysis
that
Jessica
has
to
do
in
prep,
for
these
meetings
can
be
done
for
a
lot
of
these
right-of-ways
and
then
they
can
be
prioritized
as
in
well.
We've
done
this
analysis.
This
particular
one
is
a
high
priority.
C
It's
close
to
the
school.
It's
got.
You
know
connectivity
that
way
when
somebody
does
start
this
process
of
relinquishing
it
we
kind
of
already
have
a
background
and
a
prioritization,
and
you
know
we're
not
just
like
well
sure
why
not?
We
have
kind
of
data
based
analysis
to
support
our
decision,
making
yeah.
A
Thanks
Kenny
Joe
yeah
Jessica
go
ahead.
K
J
So
this
so
one
of
the
other
problems,
I
guess
here,
is
that
you
know
the
applicant.
The
applicant
can
proceed
to
council
with
or
without
positive
recommendation
from
multimodal,
so
as
an
advisory
body.
You
know
if
you
make
a
recommendation
not
to
approve
the
right-of-way
closure,
if
the,
if
the
applicant
widget
to
proceed,
despite
that
negative
recommendation
or
denial,
if
you
will,
they
can
do
so
and
so
and
I
don't
know.
J
I
think
that
we
can
follow
up
on
the
retaining
wall
for
the
other
property
and
that
could
all
go
into
a
broader
analysis
and
I
and
we'll
do
that
regardless
I
guess
what
I'm
saying
is
that
I?
We
can't
compel
them
to
not
proceed
if
they
wish
to-
and
you
know,
I
as
much
as
I
would
love
to
analyze
the
analyze
all
of
the
right
of
ways
that
are
unopened.
There
are
probably
thousands
of
them
and
I'm
not
not
being
dramatic.
J
There
are
so
many
of
them
from
this
in
this
city,
where
they're
plotted,
you
know
several
Generations
ago,
so
I.
Don't
think
that
that's
something
that
we
can
undertake
anytime
soon
and
in
the
meantime
we
wouldn't
be
able
to
stop
these
requests
from
coming
forward,
because
it's
a
state
law
that
we
have
to
process
them.
G
A
Thanks
for
that
context,
Jessica
Joe
I'll
put.
Would
you
restate
your
motions,
so
we
can
hear
it
one
more
time.
D
Well,
I
realized
I,
realized,
I'm
I'm
on
a
little
tightrope
here
and
I
appreciate
all
the
comments
Jessica
if
I
may
just
Jack
a
second
respond
with
regard
to
their
ability
to
move
forward.
D
Notwithstanding
these
potential
violations
for
this
potential
violation,
there
may
be
other
offenses
and
almost
but
encroachments
I
really
think,
as
Maggie
was
pointed
out,
I
think
it
would
be
a
helpful
intro
to
the
importance
of
these
these
rights
of
way
and,
let's,
let's
understand
what
their
potential
might
be
before
we
before
we
act
on
any
others.
D
That's
my
intention.
I
would
move
the
instruct
the
city
to
provide
a
comprehensive
study
of
underutilized
Rights
of
way
to
determine
opportunities
for
enhanced
connectivity,
especially
regarding
bicycle
and
pedestrian.
D
D
A
This
point:
why
don't
we
leave
that
out
for
a
future
discussion,
so
we
can
get
our
heads
around
it.
Let's
just
focus
I
think
on
this
particular
right
away.
If
we
can,
for.
D
A
Thank
you,
Leanna,
we'll
take
a
roll
call.
Randy
I,
Kenny
hi
Joe
Barker
is
absent.
Joe
Chesler,
who
made
the
motion
Leanna
hi
bill,
is
absent:
Elise,
I
and
Mike
all
right
and
I'm
an
ice
I'm
so
moved.
A
Thank
you
thanks.
Everyone
for
the
thoughtful
conversation
on
that
I
know
that
that
one's
a
tricky
one
and
I
do
like
the
idea
of
a
sidewalk
on
Clinton
there
Jessica.
Let's
make
a
note
of
that
anyway.
Yeah
real,
quick,
Kenny
and
and
Randy,
and
then
we'll
move
on
to
the
next
item.
E
B
Yeah
so
I
think
I
think
just
my
personal
opinion
that
that
we
have
to
do
either
way,
but
we
should
make
emotionally
there
to
approve
or
not
improve,
because
otherwise
we're
not
because
city
council
has
asked
us
to
advise
them
on
this,
basically,
not
specifically,
but
in
general
you
know,
and
if
we
don't
give
them
advice
either
way,
then
they're
less
likely,
perhaps
to
take
our
advice,
maybe
seriously
one
way
or
another
if
they're
like
well,
they
don't
comment
on
it
anyway
or
if
there
should
be
some
message,
we
send
to
them
either
either
or
we
we
say.
B
No,
we
don't
approve
this
because
we
don't
think
we
have
enough
information
on
this
or
this
thought
procedure
isn't
following
you
know
whatever,
because
or
yes,
because
otherwise
then
they're
like
well.
Why
does
multimodal
even
get
these
things
anyway?
If
they're
not
going
to
tell
us
what
they
think?
That's.
A
A
great
Point
does
someone
want
to
make
a
motion?
The
proposed
motion.
B
Though
that
motion
is
the
comprehensive
study
is
independent
of
this
specific
decision.
This
is
you
know
this
case.
That's
that's
a
general
thing
which
I
think
is
great.
I
I,
think
that
maybe
we'll
never
see
it,
but
it's
good
that
we've
that's
a
good
thing.
We
should
recommend
and
city
council
might
say
that's
great,
but
it
doesn't
fit
within
our
budget
or
our
priorities
for
the
year
anyway,
but
I
think
it's
important
and
Jack
and
I
talked
about
this
before,
where
we
should
make.
B
You
know
clear
our
what
we're
trying
to
do
to
make
multimodal
translation
safer
and
better
for
the
city,
whether
the
city
takes
it
or
not.
It's
up
to
them.
It's
only
our
job
is
to
make
recommendations
and
do
things
we
think
is
appropriate.
So
I
think
that's
what
the
motion
really
was
for
wasn't
yeah
thing.
So
thank.
A
You
Randy
that's
a
great
yeah,
that's
a
great
Point,
using
our
our
leverage
to
make
motions
on
a
variety
of
topics,
Joe
and
then
to
Joe
and
then
we'll
move
on
yeah.
Sorry,
yeah.
H
Thanks
Jack
and
just
as
process
and
like
Randy
just
mentioned
it
doesn't
necessarily
if,
if
you
do
a
motion,
that
is
a
we
don't
like
this,
you
could
say
it
could
be
a
motion
of
that.
We
don't
have
enough
information
to
make
a
determination,
but
just
from
background
of
p
and
Z,
you
know
we
either
have
to
vote
or
not
vote.
It's
either
approval
or
disapproval.
H
This
one
gives
you
a
little
more
leeway
because
it's
not
required
for
this
to
move
forward,
but
at
least
you
should
I
think
voice
the
opinion
that
you
have
from
the
expertise
side
and
whether
it's
just
a
we
don't
have
enough
information
to
to
approve
or
disprove
of
this,
but
at
least
to
to
put
something
forward.
I
think
Randy
and
Kenny
are
absolutely
correct.
D
Well,
I
wanted
to
go
ahead
and
formulate
a
motion
taking
the
language
in
the
agenda
listing
there,
but
if
I
may
just
quickly
read
what
I
would
suggest
proposed
motion
to
recommend
the
city
council
deny
the
request
for
closure
of
an
unopened
right-of-way
between
Sulfur,
Springs
and
Lane
Avenue
at
this
time.
Until
further
information
is
provided
or
something
like
that
is.
A
There
a
second
to
Joe's
motion.
A
Mike,
did
you
second,
that
did
you
say?
Yes,
okay,
we'll
have
a
roll
call,
Randy
I
Kenny,
no
Joe,
Barker's,
absent
Joe
Chesler,
all
right
Leanna.
E
J
That
the
motion
that
carried
was
denial
of
the
recommendation
to
deny
the
request
until
further
information
is
provided.
Okay,
that's.
C
Correct
understood:
do
we
need
to
ask
what
information
we
need
to
move
forward
because
I
I
feel
like
I
I
would
have
voted
to
move
it
forward,
because
nothing,
there's
no
red
flags
in
my
book,
so
I
was
just
wondering
if
we're
making
a
motion
to
deny
pending
further
information.
What
is
that
further
information,
and
does
that
need
to
be
in
the
motion.
D
Jack,
if
I
may
just
yeah
Joe
my
my
intention
in
I
I
didn't
have
anything
specific
other
than
the
outcome
of
this
comprehensive
study
or
dialogue
coming
out
of
the
analysis
that
Maggie
referenced
earlier,
but
I
I
just
want
to
see
something
in
making
the
motion
that
knits
together
the
opportunities
to
increase
pedestrian
bicycle
flow
in
these
areas
of
priority
like
near
school
or
a
hospital
or
whatever
that
opportunity
might
be
so
I,
don't
have
a
specific,
except
to
confirm
the
that
opportunities
either
exist
or
don't
exist
before
the
abandonment
or
the
yeah.
A
Yeah
Kenny
does
that
I'd
say
I'd
like
to
recommend
that
we
move
on
since
we
have
other
agenda
items,
Leanna.
E
Yeah
I
would
I
would
agree,
I
mean
I,
think
the
the
continuation
of
that
sentence
is
like,
because
we
found
that
we
couldn't
make
a
decision
on
this
without
enough
like
more
comprehensive
information
on
the
system
as
a
whole
of
right
of
ways,
so
it
I
think
that's
it.
It
does
feel
like
it's
dangling,
I
agree
with
Kenny,
but
I
think
it's
referential
to
the
other
motion
that
we
passed
so.
J
I
I
understand,
I,
understand
and
I
think.
If
the
applicant
wishes
to
proceed
to
council,
then
we
can
include
that
that
information
and
the
dot
staff
report
and
the
presentation
I
can
I
think
I
can
summarize
pretty
well
with
the
hesitation
and.
J
A
Recommend
that
maybe
down
the
road,
whether
it's
at
a
retreat
or
another
opportunity,
is
to
just
revisit
the
process
of
multimodal
in
you
know
this
right-of-way
procedure
so
everyone's
on
the
same
page
and
make
this
process
a
little
expedited
and
not
get
in
the
way
of
of
useful
work
that
needs
to
happen
in
the
city.
So
thanks.
Everyone
for
chiming
in
that
was
a
useful
I
think
it
was
a
useful
conversation.
A
Next
item
is
presentation
on
outdoor
dining
program,
updates
and
ordinance.
Revisions
and
I
think
we're
going
to
hand
it
over
to
Dana
Frankel.
N
N
I
want
to
be
real,
quick,
no,
but
we
will
try
to
move
through
this
as
concisely
as
we
can.
N
All
right,
let
me
get
my
screens
here
so
as
I
I
know,
you
all
are
aware,
and
some
of
you
have
been
engaged
in
earlier
steps
in
this
process.
The
city
permits
various
commercial
uses
of
public
space.
Outdoor
dining
is
one
of
those
outdoor
dining
provides
a
lot
of
public
benefits.
It
contributes
to
the
success
and
resilience
of
our
local
economy,
but
we
are
working
on
making
some
updates
to
the
program
which
we
will
present
to
you
and
we're
hoping
that
you
all
might
make
a
recommendation
to
continue
to
move
these
proposed
changes
forward.
N
N
N
I
did
have
a
photo
in
this
slide.
Okay,
so
we
will
go
over
all
of
these
things.
Briefly.
I
did
want
to
start
by
talking
about
some
of
the
previous
engagement
we've
done
that
have
got
that.
Has
gotten
us
to
this
point
so
prior
to
2019,
but
in
2019
a
downtown
public
Space
Management
committee
was
formed
under
the
downtown
commission.
N
I
know
a
couple
of
you
have
been
and
are
involved
with
the
current
iteration
of
that,
but
in
2019
the
group
worked
really
hard
to
do
a
public
survey
that
went
to
the
public
Citywide
to
really
understand
how
different
uses
of
public
space
in
a
downtown
environment
impact
their
experience
and
to
understand
what
people
feel
is
most
important
in
public
space,
and
we
we
learned
a
lot.
We
learned
that
when
asking
about
what
contributes
to
a
positive
experience,
outdoor
dining
was
number
two,
so
Greenery
in
plantings
was
number
one.
N
N
So
just
you
know
that
is
informing.
Where
we're
headed
moving
forward.
In
2020,
we
launched
some
temporary
programs,
including
using
streets
differently
more
flexibly,
allowing
businesses
to
expand
into
the
parking
spaces
and
into
other
areas
of
the
street,
also
allowing
people
to
use
private
properties.
Note
that
the
proposed
updates
here
don't
apply
to
private
properties.
This
just
applies
to
public
streets
and
sidewalks.
We
got
really
positive
feedback,
pretty
much
across
the
board
about
the
temporary
programs,
both
from
the
general
public
and
from
the
business
community.
N
Everything
we've
done
to
that
point,
informed
some
downtown
public
Space
Management
guidelines,
which
is
really
kind
of
a
reference
document
for
staff
and
helps
keep
us
accountable
to
the
public
on
what
some
of
these
trade-offs
are
abuses
of
public
space
and
also
some
recommendations
on
how
we
might
be
able
to
move
forward,
and
this
is
a
document
that
we
we
check
in
with
this
downtown
public
Space
Management
committee,
on
regularly
in
2020
in
late
2021,
we
pulled
together
a
work
session
with
the
downtown
commission
and
the
multimodal
commission,
which
has
informed
again
some
of
the
key
aspects
of
these
updates
and
we've
been
checking
in
with
Council.
N
Just
wanted
to
revisit
some
of
these
questions
that
we
discussed
with
the
multimodal
commission
at
the
time.
I
think
some
of
you
all
were
members
at
the
time
and
with
the
downtown
commission.
Our
six
is
six
feet
of
clear
space
on
sidewalks
enough.
That's
what
we
currently
require
through
the
outdoor
dining
program.
N
And
then-
and
then
yes,
if
it's
actually
clear
six
feet,
is
enough,
showed
an
outdoor
dining
permit
fee
be
based
in
part
on
them.
The
amount
of
space
being
used.
People
said
yes,
and
you
will
see
that
reflected
in
our
new
proposed
fees.
Should
parking
spaces
be
able
to
be
privatized
for
outdoor
dining.
N
A
couple
other
questions,
maybe
I,
won't
go
through
each
one:
But
continuing
to
move
forward
on
the
public
space
question
and
how
to
kind
of
maximize
public
benefit
and
maximize
utilization
of
space.
We
are
proposing
that
businesses
have
the
option
of
keeping
the
space
privatized
all
the
time,
which
is
what
what
the
outdoor
dining
permit
facilitates.
N
Now,
if
they
do
that,
we're
layering
on
an
additional
annual
fee,
we're
calling
it
a
public
space
use
fee
revenue
from
that
could
go
towards
public
space
improvements
in
the
future
or
maybe
helping
businesses
build
out
streeteries
or
something
like
that.
Tbd
a
business
could
also
move
their
things
substantially
when
the
business
is
closed.
N
So
we
have
all
the
specifics
and
I'll
try
to
stay
somewhat
out
of
the
weeds,
but
it
looks
like
kind
of
taking
up
about
25
percent
of
the
space
and
then
that
becomes
open
for
other
activities,
whether
it's
Mobility,
you
know,
pedestrians,
whether
it's
busking
activity
or
other
General
Uses
of
public
space
or
they
make
their
Furniture
available
to
the
public.
So
maybe
that
looks
like
picnic
tables
that
becomes
public
when
the
business
is
closed
and
there
will
be
signage.
O
Hey
everyone
I'm
going
to
talk
to
you
about
the
fee
structure
that
we're
looking
at
so
fees
are
being
updated
in
order
to
align
with
the
values
of
the
program
and
enable
improved
operational
management,
and
we've
been
researching
different
cities
around
the
region
and
other
Gateway
cities
in
order
to
establish
a
benchmark
for
fees
and
I'll
not
spend
much
time
on
this
slide,
but
you'll
see
that
most
places
are
doing
it
based
on
the
amount
of
space
used.
We
can
go
to
the
next
slide.
O
In
addition
to
reviewing
benchmarks,
we've
also
taken
a
look
at
what
the
impacts
of
no
longer
having
that
space
available
are,
for
instance,
the
Lost
parking
meter.
Revenue
is
a
major
factor.
There
market
rate
for
retail
space.
We
looked
at
what
it
would
cost
a
private
business
to
expand
into
that
area
if
it
were
private
space
and
staff.
Time
for
processing
and
you'll
see
all
of
these
come
up
with
some
big
numbers,
but
we
tend
to
hit
around
the
same
number
individually
on
these
elements.
O
We
can
hit
the
next
slide,
so
what
we've
done
is
we've
proposed
a
new
fee
schedule
for
outdoor
dining
that
is
based
on
the
amount
of
space
that's
being
used
and
tries
to
achieve
partial
cost
recovery
for
the
loss
of
that
space
and
the
staff
time
that's
needed
and
circling
back
as
Dana
stated
the
public
space
used
to
be
so.
The
fees
are
also
trying
to
provide
an
incentive
to
keep
the
public
space
public.
O
So
that's
a
good
way
to
go
moving
forward
the
standards,
the
key
updates,
we'll
be
looking
at
you'll,
see
a
few
here.
The
standards
are
going
to
focus
on
ensuring
clear
pedestrians
based
on
sidewalks
and
providing
sufficient
buffers
around
vital
features
such
as
Transit
stops,
pedestrian
ramps
and
fire
safety
features.
Fire
connections
hydrants
things
like
that,
and
also
including
some
extra
buffers
between
six
foot,
clear
space
and
adjacent
seating
and
another
buffer
and
adjacent
to
the
roadway.
O
On
top
of
that,
we're
going
to
take
these
standards
and
on
the
next
slide,
I'll
show
you
that
the
outdoor
dining
guide
that
was
referenced
is
meant
to
be
an
easy
to
follow
source
for
information
on
the
application
process
and
illustrate
the
standards
and
requirements
that
we
have
as
well
as
recommend
some
best
practices
which
may
or
may
not
be
achievable
in
each
instance.
But
we
do
believe
having
an
easy
to
follow
guide
that
can
be
updated
as
needed
without
an
ordinance.
O
Amendment
is
really
key
to
getting
compliance
and
keeping
those
Pathways
clear
in
those
buffers
present
in
order
to
ensure
that
we
get
that
finished
product
on
the
ground.
With
these
standards
in
the
guide,
we're
working
on
a
new
process
and
management
for
the
system,
which
will
have
three
main
functions,
review
a
zoning
coordinator,
review
of
an
application
for
outdoor
dining
or
a
streetery,
a
new
component,
which
will
be
an
inspection
of
the
area
to
ensure
the
compliance
is
happening
and
a
push
towards
proactive
compliance
in
our
downtown
area.
Again.
O
Trying
to
make
sure
those
pedestrians,
pedestrian
paths
stay
clear
and
our
buffers
are
clear
in
a
little
more
detail
on
the
next
slide.
You'll
see
that
we're
trying
to
create
a
predictable
and
repeatable
process
for
folks.
But
we
are
going
to
subject
streeteries
to
a
little
bit
higher
level
of
review
in
front
of
the
technical
Review
Committee,
bringing
together
multiple
disciplines
such
as
fire,
zoning,
public
events,
Public
Works
and
transportation.
N
Thanks
Chris
yeah
we're
moving
quicker
than
I
thought,
so
that's
good,
because
maybe
we
have
a
little
time
for
questions
so
just
to
get
again
everyone
kind
of
up
to
where
we
are
now
and
what
we've
done
to
get
to
this
point,
we
have
been
having
a
lot
of
stakeholder
conversations.
N
It
kind
of
opened
up
like
all
of
the
exposed,
what
is
working
with
our
current
outdoor
dining
program
and
what
is
not-
and
we
really
see
this
as
an
opportunity
to
clean
some
of
that
up
in
terms
of
the
review
process,
also
in
terms
of
management
and,
of
course,
as
I
hope,
you
see,
reflected
in
what's
being
proposed.
We
really
want
to
maximize
public
benefit
and
use
it
like
an
equity
lens
whenever
possible
in
in
this
program.
N
Through
this
program,
so
we've
been
asking
different
questions
of
stakeholders
and-
and
if
you
all
would
like
to
respond
to
any
of
this,
that's
great
for
some
reason,
this
isn't
the
most
updated
version
of
the
presentation.
It's
okay,
pretty
close,
you
know
what
are
your
concerns?
Does
this
seem
feasible?
Are
we
responding
to
the
goals
of
this
program?
N
Does
it
seem
like
a
balance
of
support,
continuing
to
support
businesses
to
enable
this
type
of
commercial
activity
and
and
promote
activity
in
our
commercial
districts,
and
is
it?
Is
it
doing
a
better
job
of
trying
to
maximize
public
benefit
in
public
space.
A
Dana
thanks
for
and
Chris
thank
you
for
the
presentation
and
your
work
on
this.
It's
exciting
to
see
this
kind
of
innovation
are
there
to
keep
us
moving
along.
Are
there
any
comments,
questions
for
Dana
or
Chris
Mike
and
then
Randy
Mike
go
ahead.
G
Yeah,
real,
quick,
coming
or
real,
quick
question:
you
did
a
great
job,
you
answered
a
lot
of
questions
and
my
concerns
were
addressed
and
I
really
appreciate
that
the
only
question
or
concern
I
had
left
is
if
a
restaurant
or
business
goes
out
of
business.
O
So
the
city's
compliance
team
that
operates
out
of
development
services
is
working
with
us
to
try
and
establish
more,
like
I,
said,
proactive
com
enforcement
component
for
the
downtown
area
and
for
the
specifically
this
trading
program
and
the
tool
we
have,
there
would
be
a
notice
of
violation
and
the
key
to
that
is.
It
goes
ultimately
to
the
property
owner
who
is
adjoining
US
Treasury
space.
O
So
if
a
restaurant
goes
out
of
business
and
they
skip
town-
and
we
no
longer
have
contact
with
the
restaurant
owner,
then
there's
still
a
string
of
responsibility
or
thread
of
responsibility
that
gets
to
follow,
has
followed
up
on
and
the
city
would
take
enforcement
action
to
affect
the
removal
of
the
streetery
or
remedy.
In
some
other
way
say.
Another
restaurant
came
in
and
got
permitted
to
use
it
or
something
like
that,
but
certainly
a
remedy
for
that
violation
would
be
required.
N
We
are
not
immediately
with
this
rollout
in
January
2024,
going
to
ask
businesses
to
remove
existing
structures.
Permanent
structures
is
not
something
we're
permitting
as
part
of
this
new
improved
program.
So
if
and
when
changes
are
made
with
existing
businesses,
they
would
follow
those
standards,
but
we're
not
going
to
ask
at
this
time
those
that
have
encroachments
for
those
structures
can
keep
encouragements
for
those
structures.
So
I
want
to
just
clarify
that
as
well.
All.
A
B
Yeah
I
think
sorry,
my
I'm
traveling,
my
internet
went
down
so
I'm
on
the
phone
now
so
I
hope,
everything's
working,
okay,
I,
want
to
say
the
presentation
and
I
also
want
to
say
that
this
hopefully
I
know
the
college
patent
issue
and
I
don't
happen
in
the
the
council
meeting
last
night
yeah.
But
this
is
an
example
of
people
need
to
take
a
chill
pill
on
the
big
college
patent
stuff,
because
this
is
something
that
takes
away
parking.
B
Spaces
goes
into
the
streets
and
it's
overwhelmingly
successful,
and
so
people
get
so
worried
about
putting
a
bike
lane
and
moving
and
enhancing
loading
zones
in
college
Patton.
And
this
is
an
example
that,
if
people
who
just
take
a
step
back
and
look
at
how
well
a
program
like
this
works
and
what
the
popularity
of
it
and
the
demand
to
continue,
it
is
that
we
can
change
the
infrastructure
of
downtown
and
it'll
benefit
people
without
having
all
the
catastrophic.
You
know.
The
world
won't
end.
You
know
so
anyway.
B
A
Randy
Maggie.
I
Yeah
I
think
there's
some
threads
Randy
of
what
you're
bringing
up
that
lead
to
questions
for
me
and
I'm
sure
this
is
coming
to
ped
soon
so
I'll
get
to
talk
about
it,
then,
but,
given
that
we're
having
shaky
political
support
for
things
that
are
in
adopted
policies
and
plans
for
years
and
we're
having
Shaky's
political
support
for
those
when
parking
is
threatened,
it
does
make
me
wonder
what
layers
of
criteria
or
judgment
or
professional
analysis
will
be
there,
so
that
it
doesn't
result
in
every
business.
I
Taking
every
piece
of
parking
out
for
sale,
I,
don't
think
that'll
happen,
I,
don't
think.
That's
a
problem,
but
I
feel
like
there's
just
I
mean
I
do
think
last
night
was
a
show
of
a
waning
support
for
using
all
of
our
public
land
that
cars
usually
dominate
differently,
and
so
just
thinking
through
that
vulnerability
before
it
comes
to
ped
with
Sandra
and
sage
and
I
I
think
would
be
really
helpful.
D
Yes,
thank
you
Jack
Dana
and
Chris
great
presentation.
Thank
you.
These
little
pop-ups
are
a
wonderful
amenity
is
has
been
said,
Randy
to
your
point,
the
opportunity
that
we're
taking
up
parking
spaces
I'm
wondering
if
it
might
be
appropriate
to
require
some
modest
amount
of
bicycle
parking
along
with
the
streetery
establishment.
Has
that
been
discussed
at
all
and
is
it
something
that
might
be
a
way
to
fulfill
the
continued
parking
need,
but
in
a
much
more
accommodating
way.
D
Yeah
yeah
something
adjacent
to
the
streetery
that
adds
some
modicum
of
non-motorized
parking
capability.
I,
don't
know
I'm
just
it
seems
like
you
might
be
helpful
in
the
long
run.
You.
N
Know
that's
a
really
good
thought
and
I
I.
Don't
think
we're
addressing
that
specifically,
but
I
know
that
we're
requiring
buffer
space
between
like
adjacent
parking
spaces
like
for
fire
access
and
different
purposes.
There
can
be
seating
and
then
there's
four
feet
and
then
another
that
could
be
a
really
good
opportunity
for
bike
parking
and
I.
Maybe
it's
not
something
that's
always
required,
but
maybe
it's
something
in
our
standards
that
we
could
recommend
so
I
wanted
to
I
will
take
that
back
to
our
design
team
as
an
idea.
A
We'll
take
a
roll
call,
all
in
favor,
say:
I
Randy,
I,
Kenny,
hi,
Joe,
Chesler,
hi
Leanna
hi
bill
is
not
here:
Elise,
I
and
Mike
hi
and
I'm
an
eye,
and
the
motion
carries
thanks.
Dana
for
your
work,
yeah
Kenny,
you're,
raising
your
hand,
yeah.
C
Just
before
Dana
leaves
just
tremendous
job
by
City
staff
on
this
I
feel
like
this
is
city
government.
Doing
what
it's
supposed
to
do.
You
know
throwing
out
a
program
seeing
how
it
goes
incorporating
feedback
and,
like
you
did
this
little
motion
you
had
to
juggle
so
many
different
stakeholders
and
competing
interests
for
a
finite
amount
of
space
and
I
think
that
the
direction
you've
taken
is
a
really
good
one
and
I
applaud
City
staff
for
your
dedication
to
this
effort.
A
Yeah,
thank
you,
Dana
I'm,
going
to
recommend
that
we
move
the
patent
Avenue
Corridor
study
up
since
it
has
an
action
item
and
we're
running
out
of
time.
So
I'd
like
to
propose
that
we
adjust
the
agenda
and
turn
it
over
to
Lucy
Crown.
Is
anyone
opposed
to
that.
M
M
Okay,
well,
I'll
keep
it
very
short,
then.
What
I
wanted
to
talk
with
you
today
is
about
a
project
that
we
just
received
a
positive
resolution
from
Council
last
night
to
hire
McAdams
Consulting
to
do
a
Corridor
study
for
us.
M
The
project
area
that
we're
looking
at
is
on
the
east
side
of
the
Jeff
Bowen
Bridge
along
Patton
Avenue
going
into
town,
and
it
would
continue
along
Patton
Avenue,
all
the
way
to
pack
Park,
specifically
Spruce
Street,
so
well
into
the
Park
area
and
I
do
realize
this
is
where
our
College
patent
bike
lanes
are
going
and
all
that
this
will
help
supplement
The,
Pedestrian
and
biking
possibilities
in
the
area
and
create
a
better
Gateway
for
our
downtown
area
into
town.
M
This
will
take
place
after
the
I-26
project.
We
will
work
with
the
information
that
we
receive
from
the
design
build
team
on
the
project
as
they
build
it
and
then
but
use
our
plan
to
make
a
stronger
pedestrian
and
bike
system
in
our
downtown
area.
So
we
this
we're
not
trying
to
get
this
plan
done
before
the
I-26
project
takes
place.
This
is
what
we
can
do
after
it
is
all
done.
It
will
also
help
strengthen
the
neighborhoods
in
the
area.
M
M
So
what
we're
looking
for
today
are
two
people
from
the
multimodal
Transportation
Commission
to
be
on
the
steering
committee
of
the
project.
Other
sorry
other
people
from
the
downtown
commission,
the
neighborhoods
Asheville
Housing,
Authority
Hillcrest,
a
mountain,
true
we're
looking
for
an
a
member
of
the
Ada
Community,
as
well
as
business
owners,
Explorer,
Asheville,
design
professionals,
real
estate
professionals
to
be
on
this
steering
committee,
but
from
you
I
just
need
to
willing
Warm
Bodies.
That
would
be
interested
in
helping
us
through
this
project.
This.
M
I
Maggie
I'm
super
serious
and
Lucy
runs
a
good
committee
around
a
good
task
force
you're
going
to
have
super
smart,
thoughtful
people.
This
is
such
a
key
Corridor,
especially
as
dot
is
doing
their
work.
We
need
really
smart
Vision.
It
is
so
easy
for
people
to
revert
to
scarcity
mindset
now
and
we
like
this
is
a
real,
real,
powerful
potential.
So
that's
my
plug
to
everything
you.
A
All
stinks
our
high
folks.
Can
we
get
a
couple
of
volunteers.
G
I'm
sorry
hi
hi,
it's
always
a
joy
working
with
Lucy
and
so
I
would
enjoy
working
with
her
again
and
I've
been
working
on
the
project
for
four
years
now.
So
I
think
I
have
a
little
bit
of
background,
which
could
be
helpful.
A
Excellent,
so
would
someone
make
a
motion
to
appoint
Joe,
Chesler
and
Mike
to
the
to
the
task
force.
A
B
True
I
I
will
negotiative
to
move
that
Mike
and
Joe
join
this
new,
exciting
opportunity
to
reimagine
our
downtown
area
from
that
corridor.
A
Second,
roll
call:
Kenny
hi,
Randy,
Joe
Chesler.
D
K
E
A
A
P
Well,
so
I
have
two
two
things:
to
talk
about
related
to
City
efforts
to
collect
more
data
regarding
bike
and
ped
usage.
I
can
give
a
quick
plug
on
the
September
counts.
What
I
have
for
you
related
to
the
permanent
permanently
installed
bike
and
ped
counters
is
probably
going
to
take
me
10
to
15
minutes
to
go
through
that
information
and
then,
if
you
all
have
questions
want
to
factor
that
time.
M
A
That's
can
we
put
you
on
the
next
agenda.
Anna
yeah
Randy
go
ahead.
B
P
P
Right
cool,
well,
an
email
went
out
to
you
all
I
think
a
week
or
two
ago,
as
a
call
for
volunteers
for
this
annual
effort.
P
P
This
is
an
effort
that
was
largely
led
by
the
bike,
ped
task
force
in
previous
years
and
data's
been
collected
for
over
a
decade,
but
while
we're
sort
of
in
flux
and
in
transition
with
forming
a
new
committee,
so
to
speak
between
Greenway
and
bike
ped,
the
cities
taking
the
lead
this
year
on
volunteer
recruitment,
Outreach
and
management
and
I
also
want
to
just
give
a
huge
shout
out
to
Leanna
Joyner
and
Kenny
Armstrong,
who
have
been
working
with
me
to
provide
really
solid
input
and
ideas
on
that
whole
process.
P
It's
definitely
made
the
Endeavor
a
little
less
overwhelming
for
me,
but
I
am
really
excited
to
to
get
the
September
counts
underway.
We're
we're
going
through
a
different
sign
up
process
this
year,
it's
through
our
public
input
platform
that
the
city
has
and
so
in
the
email
that
I
sent
out
to
you
all.
There's
a
registration
link.
P
Folks
can
also
text
a
number
and
then
do
it
over
their
phone.
I
would
recommend
that
if
you
have
a
cell
phone-
and
you
want
to
sign
up
going
neck
text
route
rather
than
trying
to
hit
the
registration
link
through
your
phone,
it
can
get
a
little
wonky.
I
would
do
the
registration
link
if
you're
at
a
computer,
but
we've
had
really
great
response.
So
far,
really
appreciate
everyone.
P
That's
expressed
interest
and
signed
up
we're
looking
to
expand
some
to
more
sites
this
year
than
we
have
in
the
past
and
include
some
sites
in
East,
Asheville
and
South
Asheville
and
where
I
think
well
on
our
way
to
meeting
our
volunteer
needs,
which
is
really
really
awesome.
P
P
Sorry,
I
don't
have
that
that
exact
Link
in
front
of
me,
but
it's
a
about
a
I,
would
say
a
three
hour
time:
commitment
where
you
are
assigned
a
site
and
then
you
go
and
you
just
watch
bicycle
and
pedestrian
activity
and
we
have
a
form
that
I
will
be
sending
out
to
folks,
along
with
instructions
on
how
to
have
a
successful
count,
and
it's
a
great
opportunity
to
do
some
people
watching,
but
to
just
also
see
the
kind
of
activity
that's
happening
along
some
of
our
busier
corridors
and
is
also
helpful
for
us
to
continue
to
build
on
the
data
that's
been
collected
in
previous
years,
which
helps
us
just
sort
of
identify
or
affirm
trends
that
we're
seeing
around
town.
P
But
it's
just
another
supplemental
piece
to
showing
that
there's
value
in
expanding
bicycle
and
pedestrian
facilities,
but
also
demonstrating
or
also
helps
in
sort
of
demonstrating
the
need
to
expand
those
facilities
in
certain
places.
A
C
Oh
just
I've
volunteered
in
the
past
and
it's
it's
kind
of
a
lot
of
fun.
I
was
stationed
at
a
Greenway
and
it
was
really
really
interesting
to
just
sit
and
watch
for
a
couple
hours
and
just
see
it.
The
diversity
of
people
who
are
using
our
facilities-
and
you
know
you
see
old
people
going
for
a
walk
and
dog
walkers
and
roller
skaters
and
people
with
kids-
and
it
was
for
me
it
was
really
informative
because
you
know
I
travel
on
a
Greenway
or
a
sidewalk
I.
C
D
Kenny,
thanks
for
the
lead
and
Hannah's
been
great
I'm,
I'm,
registered
and
looking
forward
to
it.
P
I
I
I.
Sorry
in
my
rushed
plug
for
y'all
I,
neglected
to
mention
that
Richie
Roselle
from
the
flying
bike
has
graciously
offered
an
annual
membership
to
the
Flying
bike
for
a
randomly
selected
volunteer.
So
the
way
we're
doing
that
is,
if
folks
sign
up
they
complete
their
counts.
They
submit
their
data
that
they
collected
back
to
the
city
that
will
go
into
their
name,
will
go
into
a
hat
and
for
a
drawing
to
win
that
membership,
which
is
really
generous
and
awesome.
So.
C
A
Thanks
Anna
yeah
make
sure
you
get
involved
great
opportunity
for
us
too,
to
get
invade
engaged
before
we
adjourn.
I
want
to
knock
out
just
a
couple
of
Unfinished
Business
items
and
one
there
does
seem
to
be
interest
in
holding
an
annual
Retreat.
The
last
one
we
held
was
in
2021,
so
I'll
reach
out
to
folks
to
see
if
we
can
look
at
scheduling
a
retreat
sometime,
this
fall
The,
Greenway
committee,
Retreats
I
believe
in
October.
A
So
it
might
be
great
timing
to
follow
up
re-look
at
the
past
planning
the
past
Retreat,
which
I
think
is
really
useful
and
some
good
stuff
in
there
and
and
move
forward
from
there.
I
think
it'll
be
really
helpful
and
make
us
more
effective.
A
Just
real
quickly.
Does
anyone
have
any
comment
or
thoughts
on
a
retreat.
E
I
think
it
would
be
great
to
do
one
and
and
ground
ourselves
in
kind
of
our
shared
interests
and
priorities
and
and
I
think
we
could
be
all
the
more
efficient
to
maybe
even
with
some
Advanced
surveying.
So
we
can
spend
our
time
in
more
Rich
discussion
than
just
idea.
Generation
yeah.
C
Yeah,
just
to
Echo
that
I
mean
we
keep
wanting
to
have
these
bigger,
broader
conversations
and
keep
having
to
move
on
to
the
next
item.
So
it'd
be
kind
of
cool
to
have
a
chance
to
just
hash
some
of
this
stuff
out
and
to
look
at
past
the
pastor's
food
dialogue
and
see
if
there's
unfinished
business
or
things
we
can
kind
of
move
forward.
2021
seems
like
a
long
time
ago,
yeah
and.
D
A
That
would
be
the
hope
and
we'll
sort
of
share
some.
You
know,
as
we
My
Hope
Is,
that
as
we
go
forward
in
the
next
few
weeks,
is
trying
to
search
for
a
date
that
works
for
busy
people
and
figuring
out
the
context
and
how
we
organize
it.
Randy.
B
Yeah
in
the
past,
there's
always
been
a
facilitator.
Maggie
actually
helped
facilitate
the
last
one,
and
in
previous
times
the
city
had
hired
a
facilitator
to
facilitate
multiple
Retreats,
and
then
we
were
included
in
that
process,
but
yeah
it's
fairly
focused,
and
it
also
too
it
gives
us
a
better
broth
breadth
of
what
the
city's
goals
are.
And
what
are
you
know,
because
if
our
goals
don't
align
with
the
city
council's
goals,
then
a
lot
of
times,
we
can't
get
anything
done.
B
A
A
I
think
there
was
a
call
out,
no
one
raised
their
hand
and
it
gives
an
opportunity
for
Randy
to
relinquish
that
role
and
super
grateful
for
Randy's
work
as
Vice
chair
commitment
to
the
committee
and
incredible
knowledge
that
he
brings
to
the
table
and
I
think
it's
great,
obviously
to
continue
to
rotate
the
leadership
of
a
committee
and
thanks
for
your
grace
and
as
I've
stumbled
through
this
one,
but
yeah
would
Kenny
anything.
You
want
to
add
to
that
or
Randy.
B
C
Yeah
I,
you
know
I've
been
doing
it
for
a
while.
So
but
again,
if
any
of
the
newer
members
have
an
interest,
no
pride
of
ownership
of
this
title,
we
can
always
cycle
off
in
a
couple
months
anyway.
If
we
need
to.
A
D
Yeah
I
would
I
would
then
move
to
thank
and
excuse
Randy
as
Vice
chair
and
and
appoint
Kenny
Armstrong
as
the
new
Vice
chair
and.
A
Is
there
a
second
a
second
and
roll
call,
Randy
aye
penny
hi
Joe
Chesler,
yes,
hi,
Leanna,
hi,
Elise,
I,
Mike,
all
right
and
I'm
an
eye,
and
the
motion
carries
welcome
Kenny
and
thank
you
Randy,
who
will
of
course
continue
to
serve
and
be
here.