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From YouTube: Urban Forestry Commission – August 1, 2023
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Regular meeting of the City of Asheville Urban Forestry Commission.
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A
A
B
C
D
D
A
I
was
going
to
say
meanwhile,
since
I'm
talking
about
gardening
I,
like
heirloom,
tomatoes,
like
the
Cherokee
purple
and
they're
very
prone
to
blight
and
blight,
is
generally
spread
by
rain
splashing
into
the
dirt
and
splashing
up
on
the
plants,
and
so
okay.
A
E
All
right
well
welcome
everyone.
C
E
All
right
well
welcome
everybody
to
the
August
2023
city
of
Asheville
urban
forestry,
commission
meeting
I'll
be
your
host
for
this
afternoon,
Patrick
Gilbert
and
I
apologize
for
the
technical
difficulty
that
caused
the
delay
in
the
start.
E
E
H
Hello,
Chardon
UFC,
Ed.
A
Cecil
Bothwell
eight-year
liaison
from
city
council
to
the
tree
commission
and
UFC.
Since
then,
Joey
Zoe.
E
B
E
So
for
the
commission
members
explanation,
Hunter
is
transitioning
off,
as
our
direct
staff
report
for
the
urban
forestry
Commission
in
Jackson
marks
is
transitioning
on
so
welcome.
Jackson
Nancy.
C
Learning
and
storm
orders,
supervisor
development
or
planning
an
Urban,
Design
Department.
K
Keith
Keith
Aiken
Irvin,
Forrester
planning
and
Urban
Development.
L
M
O
E
Is
Chris
Collins
with
us.
E
Not
today
not
today,
and
what
about
Stephanie,
Munson
Dole.
E
No
okay,
I,
see
I,
see
a
Sarah
Miller.
P
Hi
Sarah
Miller,
Asheville,
GreenWorks,
Community
forestry
coordinator.
E
Okay
and
there's
a
Josh
Russell.
Q
Yeah
I
think
we
have
a
few.
We
have
Sydney
howman.
He
is
our
landscape
architect
here
in
our
office,
so
he's
on
the
call
and
then
I
believe
the
clients,
Alex,
Perry
and
Marty
Murphy
are
on
as
well.
D
E
Okay,
that's
been
moved
in
second
up
and
I
will
go
down
the
list:
Zoe
hi,
Cecil,
aye
and.
G
E
Karen
aye
and
I
vote.
High.
Excuse
me,
so
the
minutes
of
the
July
meeting
have
been
approved,
we'll
now
go
into
alternative
compliance,
and
this
is
a
request
for
the
project
at
three
Regent
Park
Boulevard.
So
Jennifer.
M
Yes,
hello,
again
Jennifer
Blevins.
This
is
a
fairly
straightforward
request,
similar
to
many
you
have
seen
over
the
years.
M
The
project
is
to
develop
a
parcel
at
the
corner
of
Regent,
Park,
Boulevard
and
Patton
Avenue,
and,
as
such,
the
UVO
requires
that
the
site
be
brought
into
compliance
with
all
of
the
standards
in
article
11.,
the
level
one
site
plan
is
currently
under
review,
and
it
does
appear
that
they'll
be
able
to
meet
all
of
the
Landscaping
standards.
M
There
is
one
thing:
I
would
note
that
I
would
seek
direction
or
recommendation
from
you
if
they
were
going
to
be
placing
the
trees,
as
the
code
requires
right
along
Patton
Avenue.
There
are
overhead
utilities
present
and
that
would
require
seven
small
maturing
trees
if
they
place
the
trees
within
their
property
boundaries.
M
There
are
no
overhead
utilities
along
that
portion
of
their
property,
so
that
would
change
the
requirement
to
one
tree
for
every
40
feet,
which
is
five
large
maturing
trees.
So
you
know
they
could
do
either
one
of
those
standards
or
they
could
do
a
mix
along
that
portion.
M
Just
seeking
a
recommendation
from
you
on
on
whether
you
would
be
wanting
to
see
seven
small
trees,
as
would
be
necessary
along
the
street
or
five
large
maturing
trees,
because
they
would
now
be
within
their
property
boundaries
and
I'm
happy
to
entertain
any
questions.
I
see.
Sharon
has
one
now.
G
Node,
what
trees
were
going.
G
So
one
I
couldn't
read
the
green,
so
I
didn't
know
and
they
just
have
Dua
planting,
but
they
didn't
call
off
what
species
was
going.
Where
so
and
they've
got
Elms
and
I
forget,
my
notes
are
somewhere.
M
Right,
what
we're
looking
at
is
the
green.
It's
the
street
trees
down
along
the
South
sounds
like
what.
M
D
M
Right
right,
I,
remember
that
comment.
The
the
ones
there
along
Patton
Avenue
are
the
ones
where
concerned
about
with
this
application.
What
were
those
so.
D
It
was
Hawthorne's
with
the
small
trees.
Okay,
those
are
the
those
are
the
green
ones,
and
the
larger
ones
are
work
as
lorota
the
red
ones.
On
the
right.
D
The
owns
or
the
or
the
blue
trees
and
they're
throughout
the
site,
on
the
east
side
of
the
site
and
within
the
middle
of
the
site,.
M
Right,
those
I'm
sure
were
were
applying
for
the
parking
lot
Landscaping
requirement
rather
than
street
food
requirements.
Correct.
Okay,.
G
Okay,
so
I
got
a
couple
questions
one
you
didn't
put
down
a
disease
resistant
Elm.
You
just
use
the
American
ailment
I'm,
assuming
you're,
going
to
use
one
of
the
varieties
that
are
disease
resistant
because
you've
got
12
of
those.
So
it'd
be
good
if
you
put
the
species
down
there.
So
when
the
contractor
comes
in
that,
at
least
we
know,
we've
got
some
of
the
Dutch
elm
disease
resistant
and
again
it's
a
bald
cypress
we're
looking
at
changing
Jennifer.
M
Well,
they
we've
already
been
that's
been
part
of
our
level,
one
review.
They
were
proposing
a
swamp
cycle
Cyprus
and
they
have
changed
to
the
bald
cypress,
but
those
are
along
Regent
Park,
we're
talking
about
the
street
trees
there
on
the
South
Side
between
Patton
Avenue
and
the
south
side
of
the
property
and.
M
G
M
Where
they
would
be
required
to
be
is
within
20
feet
of
the
travel
Lane
of
Patton
Avenue.
Go
back
to
that
one
that
you
made
Jackson
with
the
red
marking
there.
That
shows
the
right
of
way.
So
all
of
that
red
is
public
right-of-way
and
that
yellow
line
is
20
feet
from
the
edge
of
Patton
Avenue.
M
That's
where
the
trees
are
required
for
the
Edo,
but
dot
will
not
give
them
an
encroachment
agreement
so
they're
having
to
move
them
way
back
up
onto
their
property
60
to
80
feet
from
the
travel
line
of
Batman.
So
that's
why
you
see
those
green
ones
so
far
away
from
the
road.
That's
what
this
request
is
about
today,.
M
I
Yes,
thank
you.
This
does
seem
pretty
straightforward.
My
preference
is
that
we
do
large
five
maturing
trees
rather
than
the
small
maturing
trees.
I
I
can't
speak
for
the
rest
of
the
group,
but
experience
is
that
smaller
maturing
trees
have
a
much
harder
time
getting
established
and
don't
really
provide
as
much
canopy.
I
D
G
M
They
showed
because
the
code
required
small
maturing,
that's
what
they're
showing,
but
it
required
it,
because
they
would
be
a
long
patent
Avenue
where
the
overhead
utilities
are
present,
but
now
that
we'll
be
moving
them
back
onto
the
property.
There's
no
utility
overhead
utilities
there,
so
they
would
be
able
to
plant
large
maturing
trees
and
the
code
per
that
length
of
Frontage
would
require
five
large
maturing
trees.
So
we'll
work
that
through
when
we
continue
on
with
the
level
one
cycling.
G
You
Jennifer
for
explaining
that,
because,
oh
sure,
I
still
didn't
get
it,
but
I
agree
with
that.
You
know.
There's
that
looks
like
there's
plenty
of
room.
I
can't
tell
how
many
feet
between
I
don't
think.
There's
a
building.
There
looks
like
walkway,
maybe,
but
it
looks
like
there's
plenty
of
clearance
for
a
large
maturing
tree
in
the
in
the
building
and.
M
That's
part
of
the
parking
lot
that
that
is
part
of
the
drive
through
and
drive
up
to
the
entrance
to
the
car
wash
oh.
M
It
from
the
car
wash
and
I
think
that
comes
so
far
away
from
the
West
corner
there,
because
they
have
that
very
large
Oak
I
believe
very
large
tree
there
on
the
corner.
Obviously
they
they
wanted
to.
G
K
Yeah
so
but
I
guess
to
clarify
is
that
large
Oak
going
to
come
out,
no,
it's
being
preserved,
it's
being
preserved,
yeah
I
did
drive
by
yesterday.
It
does
have
a
pretty
big
chunk,
probably
about
three
three
and
a
half
feet
up
on
it,
but
yeah
I'm
I'm
glad
to
see
that
they're
gonna
attempt
to
preserve
that
yep
I.
M
K
I
mean
you
know,
it's
really
a
really
gorgeous
tree.
It's.
It's
obviously
had
some
some
issues
with
some
trucks
and
you
know
probably
a
few
Vehicles
hitting
it
over
time.
So
you
know
if.
D
M
Well,
there's
not
going
to
be
any
parking
spaces
there
along
that
side.
Basically,
they're
going
to
grade
the
entire
lot
and
to
to
redevelop
I
think
the
building's
already
been
demolished
and
they're
going
to
redevelop.
So
there
aren't
any
parking
spaces
in
that
vicinity.
M
Sort
of
spotted
strip
there,
where
you
see
north
of
the
tree
to
be
preserved,
there's
a
green
tree
and
then
some
shrubs
that
whole
strip
is
going
to
be
sod,
saw
it
and
or
mulch
I
I'm,
not
again,
I
don't
have
the
actual
blow
up
of
the
plant
in
front
of
me,
but
that's
not
pavement.
The
pavement
is
the
white
area
that
you
see.
H
I
sort
of
understand
that
the
the
plans
are
a
little
confusing
to
my
eye
too,
but
you
know
my
only
recommendation
would
be
to
maximize
the
soil
space
for
the
oak
if
you're,
if
you're
wanting
to
keep
it
thanks.
E
E
Okay,
is
there
a
recommendation
with
the
motion
to
recommend
planting
of
the
larger
maturing
trees
as
opposed
to
the
smaller
trees,
yeah.
E
We
can
recommend
I,
don't
think
we
can
base
a
approve
approval
and
disapproval
solely
based
on
that,
but
we
can
include
the
recommendation
in
the
motion.
Okay,.
A
Well,
there
you
go
I,
think
I
think
we
all
know
what
you
meant,
but
the
way
you
framed
it,
you
said
substitute:
five
small,
maturing
trees,
four
five,
large
ones
and
I
think
what
we
all
understood
you
to
mean
is
to
substitute
five
large
maturing
trees
for
seven
small
ones.
D
A
E
All
right
so
we'll
make
that
the
motion
with
that
changed
as
the
second
or
accept
the
the
change.
Yes,.
G
E
E
So
thank
you.
Jennifer
and.
E
Applicants
for
being
at
the
meeting
and
answering
our
questions
and
explaining
the
project.
Thank
you
all.
E
Okay,
so
we'll
move
on
now
to
public
comment.
Jackson,
do
we
have
any
callers
on
the
line.
B
E
Is
there
an
issue
with
the
fact
that
it
comes
across
as
the
affordable
housing
advisory
committee
as
opposed
to
the
urban
forestry
Commission.
E
E
Because
I
know
there
were
going
to
be
some
callers
at
the
meeting.
B
E
S
E
E
G
The
ones
that
we
got
that
we
were
to
read
that
were
to
us
at
UFC
from
public
input,
yes,
and
so
that
would
come
under
the
discussion
under
public
comment.
Then
right.
E
E
Read
two
emails
right:
we,
the
the
emails,
are
part
of
the
record
of
public
comment.
We
don't
necessarily
read
them
in
the
public
comments
section.
E
G
E
Nancy
can
we
move
on
with
the
agenda
and
once
they
straighten
out
the
public
comment,
access
come
back
to
that.
Yes,
that
doesn't
take
emotion
and
approval
by
the
commission.
No.
E
If
we
move
on
to
staff
reports,
we
have
Dustin
Clemens
who
was
going
to
talk
about
the
hall
Creek
sidewalk
update,
but
he
is
on
here
because
there
were
going
to
be
some
people
in
the
public
comment
portion
that
wanted
to
address
that
so
I'm
going
to
move
on
and
we'll
come
back
to
that.
If
we
get
the
public
comment,
technical
glitch
ironed
out,
if
not,
then
we'll
come
back
to
to
Dustin.
Q
N
It's
been
pretty
typical
summer.
You
know
hot
having
to
do
a
little
bit
of
supplementary
watering
for
some
of
my
baby
trees
to
help
them
along,
and
we
had
a
fair
number
of
trees
come
down
during
windstorms
Monday.
We
had
11
sites,
we
responded
to
getting
trees
out
of
the
road
and
so
forth
from
the
wind
on
Saturday
back
on
the
17th,
we
had
five
sites,
we
responded
to
and
other
nettest
is
pretty
much
normal
stuff.
N
You
know
burning
trees,
removing
dead
trees,
doing
roadside
vegetation
pruning,
so
you
all
can
use
your
roads.
Any
questions.
K
Yeah
so
I
I
guess
I
wish
it
was
a
business
to
usual,
but
you
know
certainly
had
a
a
busy
last
30
days
and
you
know
dealing
with
some
trying
to
close
out
some
tree
removal
permits.
K
We've
also
had
a
few
complaints
up
in
the
steep
slopes
for
some
people
that
were,
it
was
like
three
Dollar
Trees
that
turned
out
to
be
nothing
really
just
more
of
a
a
neighbor
dispute
also
been
working
on
soil
volumes
with
vadilla
and
and
Dustin,
and
we
had
a
big,
a
big
meeting
I
think
a
couple
weeks
ago
and
talked
about
some
potential
new
systems
and
some
some
changes
to
the
way
we
the
handle
speakers
and,
let's
see,
let's
see
if
you're,
even
a
little
bit,
also
been.
K
You
know,
trying
to
get
educated
on
the
the
TRC
process
so
that
I
can
take
over
that.
You
know.
Come
December,
sat
in
in
a
couple:
accelerator,
I,
I,
guess,
accelerator
programs
that
are
run
through
the
system,
the
center
for
regenerative,
regenerative,
Solutions,
it's
based
out
of
the
city
of
Boulder,
and
it's
essentially
accelerator
for
cities
and
towns
that
are
being
affected
by
climate
change.
K
And
you
know
how
they're
they're
dealing
with
different
problems
and
that
sort
of
thing
always
studying
for
the
arborist
exam
and,
let's
see,
went
through
a
new
member
orientation
for
the
boards
and
commissions
since
I
had
not
done
anything
like
that,
actually
learned
quite
a
bit
and
that's
met
with
Ed
last
week
for
a
little
bit
and
you
know
just
kind
of
catching
him
up
and
and
then,
as
far
as
myself
and
and
up
I
have
a
few
upcoming,
I
guess
public
appearances,
I
guess
I
could
call
them
so
I'm
gonna
do
be
doing
the
what's
up.
K
Asheville
radio
show
I
still
have
yet
to
make
a
date
for
that,
and
then
I'm
doing
an
interview
for
Mountain
x,
either
on
or
around
August
11th
of
this
month.
But
that's
really
about
it.
Any
questions.
K
G
Keith
yeah
Sharon,
your
son,
your
above
your
audio,
was
kind
of
breaking
up
so
so
there's
changes
to
handle,
but
I
didn't
hear
what
changes
you
said
you
were
working
on
to
handle.
G
K
Yeah
I
think
I
was
just
probably
most
likely
being
General
yeah
I
can't
think
of
I.
Don't
have
anything
where
it
has
changes
on
here.
Okay,.
E
Any
other
questions
for
Keith,
if
not
thank
you
Keith,
for
your
report,
planning
to
Mark
Department,
reorganization,
Nancy,
Watford,.
C
Right
good
afternoon,
everybody,
the
planning
department
and
the
zoning
group
in
DSD
has
now
become
one
Department
planning
an
Urban
Design
department,
so
those
invested
in
the
DSD
is
have
moved
into
planning
an
Urban
Design.
So
that's
exciting
news.
C
So,
with
some
of
this
reorganization,
we
have
some
staff
changes
with
our
planning
text
and
support
with
groups
and
Keith
the
urban
Foresters,
moving
to
the
long
range
planning
department
side
of
that
group
to
focus
on
the
big
picture
in
our
Urban
portion
master
plan
and
as
the
program
grows
so
as
well
as
we
have
some
where
you
know
the
planning
taxes
you
know,
Hunter
came
on
board
as
Haley
and
Tyler
moved
up
in
their
positions
and
and
Sarah
Jackson
and
so
Hunters
come
on
board
and
then
so
he's
been
doing
two
jobs
for
a
while,
and
so
we
had
Jackson
marks
who
has
come
on
board
with
us.
C
Now
he's
been
here
about
three
weeks.
Maybe
a
month
joined
the
Department
and
city
of
Asheville
and
I'll.
Let
him
introduce
himself
but
he's
going
to
be
the
staff
liaison
and
admin
support
for
urban
forestry
commission.
E
B
Jackson
yep,
quick
update,
everything
seems
to
be
working
now,
Logan's
come
in
and
helped
out
with
some
stuff,
so
the
phone
own
cue
is
back
up
again.
It
looks
like
there
was
an
error
when,
with
the
YouTube
links
with
how
the
stream
wasn't
working
and
the
stream
has
been
going
for
the
last
30
plus
minutes,
as
well,
pretty
with
with
image
and
audio
so
everything
back
on
track.
B
Yeah
I
joined
the
city
on
the
10th
and
I
am
I'm
just
in
the
middle
of
I'm
starting
my
fourth
week
with
the
city
really
excited
to
be
here
and
yeah
appreciate
everyone.
Thank
you.
Welcome.
E
Aboard
Jackson
Nancy:
will
you
continue
to
be
part
of
the
liaison
staff
or
is
someone
replacing
you
in
that
capacity.
C
So
Keith
will
be
replacing
me
in
that
capacity.
C
Dear
Evan
Forrester,
as
well
as
I,
think
Stephanie
Munson's
going
to
be
at
the
new
Chris
types
of
the
the
management
level
leadership
for
the
group,
but
that's
we're
slowly
going
to
transition.
That
you'll
see
me
in
the
background
here
helping
support
this
group
as
as
it
moves
forward
until
we
get
the
transition
fully
made.
We'll.
E
If
not
thanks
again
Nancy
for
your
report
and
we'll
move
on
to
the
tree,
canopy
preservation
ordinance
report
are
either
any
questions
from
any
commission
members
on
the
report.
Yes,.
G
Will
Nancy
continue
to
be
doing
this?
Reporter
will
Keith
be
doing
it.
G
All
of
Nancy's,
okay,
I
got
a
question.
Also
I
noticed
that
the
canopy
Planet
last
month
is
the
same
as
this
month.
Is
that
just
a
coincidence.
G
C
G
A
while
yeah
that
that
I
know
but
I
do
know,
there's
a
couple
that
have
gone
through,
but
I
would
just
didn't
know
where
they
are
in
their
final.
So
I
know
you
get
it
at
the
very
end,
so
I'm
just
wanting
to
see
that
go
up.
So
thank
you.
So
Keith
I'll
be
bugging
Keith
for
a
while
on
that,
then
thanks.
E
F
Can
we
just
reiterate
for
anyone
listening
where
to
find
the
data
for
a
canopy
preserved
in
this
information.
F
Yeah,
can
we
just
clarify
for
the
public
and
anyone
listening
where
to
find
this
information.
C
So
we
present
it
in
this
report
monthly
to
you
all
in
the
public,
because
otherwise
you
have
it's
like
it's
on
the
submittal
plans
that
come
in
for
review
and
documentation,
but
it's
not
readily
available
information
from
our
permit
system
to
the
public.
E
So
I
think
that
the
the
public
has
access
to
the
commission
meeting
documents
where
these
two
canopy
preservation
ordinance
update
is
so
they
can
go
to
that
link
and
get
the
latest
information
on
the
the
the
canopy
preservation
ordinance
and
all
that
information.
E
So,
let's
go
back
to
that
section
for
just
a
second
I
believe
or
I
hope.
All
of
you
read
some
of
the
emails
that
were
submitted
for
the
public
comment
section
one
of
them
I
know
maybe
both
had
to
do
with
the
issue
at
the
Municipal
Golf
Course,
and
that
was
submitted
by
a
person
by
the
name
of
Gloria
Shen
I,
reached
out
to
Chris
Coyle
Coral.
E
Who
was
president
at
our
July
meeting
and
gave
us
an
update
on
the
situation
at
the
municipal
golf
course.
Project
I
share
those
emails
with
him
and
ask
if
he
wanted
to
be
at
the
meeting
to
respond.
He
is
actually
out
of
town
this
week
attending
a
training
conference.
So
he
could
make
the
meeting
the
essence
of
the
emails
centered
on
they
request
that
the
enforcement
mechanism
for
the
tree
planting
pruning
standards
be
evaluated
and
updated,
along
with
potentially
the
fines
for
violating
those
standards.
E
E
So
before
I
sort
of
throw
it
open
to
the
commission
on
on
that
point,
I
did
speak
to
Chris
quarrel
about
the
Enforcement
issue
at
the
Municipal
Golf
Course.
He
did
acknowledge
that
there
were
some
issues
related
to
the
tree,
pruning
standards
not
being
followed.
E
He
did
take
those
issues
to
the
city
legal
department
and
ask
for
their
advice
on
whether
or
not
there
would
should
be
citations
issued
in
fines
if
the
citation
was
not
responded
to
the
legal
department
for
reasons
that
I'm
not
privy
to
murdered
in
terms
of
issuing
citations
and
going
after
fines,
but
instead
recommended
that
Chris
enter
into
discussions
with
the
subcontractor
about
reimbursing
the
city
as
a
result
of
the
damages
caused
by
the
tree
pruning
there
on
the
Municipal
Golf
Course,
the
subcontractor
ultimately
agreed
to
reimburse
the
city
from
their
contract
award
twenty
five
hundred
dollars.
E
That
will
go
to
some
sort
of
remedial
project
for
the
trees
and
that
is
in
lieu
of
citations
or
fines.
E
So
that
is
the
One
update
on
the
enforcement
at
the
Municipal
Golf
Course.
So
I'll
throw
it
open
to
the
commission
members
if
they
want
to
discuss
the
emails
on
this
specific
project.
E
H
I
think
one
of
the
points
that
that
I
left
last
meeting
with
and
Gloria
did
a
good
job
of
pointing
out
as
remediation
needs
to
happen
on
more
than
just
six
trees.
More
I
remember
the
last
meeting
number
eight,
but
there
were
obviously
many
many
other
trees
affected.
H
The
remediation
cost
of
2500
is
very,
very
small.
You
know
that's
not
going
to
cover,
maybe
two
trees.
You
know
so
I
think
the
repercussions
is
very
low
compared
to
what
that
project
probably
made
them
and
it
needs
to
be
applied
to
all
trees
affected,
not
just
six
or
eight.
D
F
Yes,
I
completely
agree
and
I
think
another
point
that
was
made
in
Gloria's
email
was
that
there
is
a
desire
from
the
community
for
more
transparency
regarding
how
these
numbers
are
evaluated
and
that
it
should
really
be
Quantified
and
shared
in
a
way
that
is
more
readily
available,
so
that
a
precedent
can
be
set
for
for
the
future.
So
if
this
happens
again,
it
can
be
known
that
there
is
a
process,
it's
a
very
clear
process.
G
The
problem
was:
is
that
the
correct
person
to
monitor
this
was
a
person
with
no
experience
and
as
a
contractor
I'm
bringing
in
someone
that
has
got
heavy
experience
to
monitor
a
job
and
for
the
powers
that
be
to
think
that
Chris,
who
did
probably
the
best
job
he
could
without
the
experience
it
was
a
lot
to
ask
for
Chris
to
do
and
and
my
world
if
you're
going
to
have
someone
dealing
with
trees
or
whatever
your
specialty
is,
then
you
bring
that
someone
in
to
monitor
it
and
oversee
it.
G
That
has
that
experience
and
so
somehow
and
I
break
down
in
the
city.
We
don't
seem
to
want
to
bring
in
people
that
have
the
most
professional
expertise
to
monitor
a
situation
like
that
and
that's
why
I
see
the
breakdown
and
as
far
as
the
fine
goes,
that's
arbitrary,
that
is
who
set
that
up?
It's
a
it
doesn't
cover
nearly
the
damage.
It
was
done
there
and
she
makes
some
very
good
points
in
this
long
email
that
you
know
that
need
to
be
addressed.
E
H
H
I'm,
not
quite
sure,
I
didn't
have
the
time
to
stop
and
really
suss
it
out,
but
you
know
they
were
regrading
up
to
the
base
of
several
large
White
Oaks
and
there's
just
no
regard
given
to
these
trees,
and
so
I
would
also
Lobby
for
like
continued
presence
and
continued
care
for
the
trees
that
that
are
on
that
golf
course.
If
we're
going
to
be
responsible
for
them,
you
know
right
now,
there's
just
no
there's
nothing
happening
to
protect
those.
The
soil
zones
of
those
trees.
E
A
I'd
like
to
apologize
I
after
our
last
meeting
I
contacted
both
Kara
and
Chardon
and
suggested
we
independently
look
into
things
and
then
combine
our
efforts
in
a
couple
of
weeks
and
I
dropped
the
ball
on
that
I'll.
Try
to
follow
up
more
on
this!
That's
why
we
don't
really
have
a
committee
report
right
now.
A
Obviously,
people
have
been
paying
attention,
though
I'm
glad
of
that
and
I
just
got
really
busy
and
I'm.
Sorry.
F
Sorry
I
just
like
to
revisit
the
question
of
whether
or
not
this
is
within
our
purview.
It's
my
understanding
that
when
there
is
a
violation
we,
the
The
Violator,
is
given
notice
and
it's
a
hundred
dollars
a
day
per
violation
and
then
there's
a
committee
that
can
review
the
violation
and
so
what?
What
can
we
do
with
this?
You
know,
as
as
the
urban
forestry
commission,
to
promote
more
transparency
in
this
process.
E
So
as
as
far
as
reviewing
violations
I'm,
not
sure
that
that
falls
within
the
commission's
purview,
however,
I
will
ask
Keith
or
Nancy
to
weigh
in
on
that.
If
they
choose.
C
So,
no
it's
not
really
in
the
commission's
purview
like
and
there's
also
two
different
ways
that,
like
enforcement
on
a
city
project
in
a
city,
contract
is
different
than
what
development
services
does
in
terms
of
zoning
enforcement.
C
So
the
code
Code
Enforcement
handles
any
private
property
violation,
and
that
may
be
the
section
of
code
that
y'all
are
looking
at,
but
anyway,
anyway,
they're
handled
different
ly,
but
recommendations
can
be
made
around
those
I
mean
that's
what
this
group
does
so
and
there's
improvements,
and
if
there
are
some
times
because
you
have
seen
cases
where
that
have
come
in
for
alternative
Landscaping
plans
like
the
whole
plan,
because
they've
gone
out
and
done
Mastery
removal
where
it's
not
been
permitted
and
so
they've
had
to
come
in
and
do
a
remediation
plan,
and
so
y'all
y'all
do
see
those
as
part
of
that
process,
for
remediation
and
and
of
a
of
a
violation.
K
Yeah
I
I
was
going
to
say
that
you
know
and
I'm
I'm
not
trying
to
pass
the
buck
or
anything.
But
you
know
this
is
kind
of
Mark's.
You
know
bread
and
butter
here
on
public
land,
so
yeah
I
mean
I.
K
Would
I
would
have
liked
to
have
seen
this
handle
differently
and
I
I
think
you
know
in
the
future,
I
I
believe
it
will
considering
how
much
you
know
negative
feedback
we've
got
from
it
so,
but
yeah
I,
just
I,
want
to
make
that
that
distinction
of
you
know
what
I
can
and
cannot
do.
K
You
know
certainly
can
make
recommendations,
but
as
far
as
you
know,
going
out
there-
and
you
know
watching
people-
you
know
prune
trees
and
that
sort
of
thing
I
think
I've
got
enough
off
on
my
plate
already,
especially
with
the
with
the
plan,
and
you
know,
and
and
as
you
know,
we
get
the
plan
going
and-
and
you
know
when
we
eventually
finish
it-
I
I-
hope
to
have
a
little
bit
more
more
time
to
you
know,
maybe
spend
on
you
know
some
public
projects,
but
you
know
right
now.
K
It's
it's
really.
That's
really
up
to
mark.
S
Yeah
I'm
just
trying
to
think
about
like
some
other
avenues
for
ways
that
I've
seen
advisory
boards
to
be
able
to
get
information
that
they
need.
So
they
can
make
a
recommendation.
That's
in
this
group
of
work,
so,
for
example,
if
there's
an
issue
with
a
sidewalk
that
has
an
issue
or
maybe
a
bike
lane
that
has
a
lot
of
material
in
it.
For
example,
I
could
instruct
folks
to
move
this
up
the
ladder
of
communications
by
doing
things
like
taking
pictures
with
the
Asheville,
app
or
emailing
staff.
S
So
there's
you
know,
sort
of
the
public
comments
that
we've
already
been
getting
in
this
case
and
I.
Do
wonder
what
would
it
look
like
if
the
urban
forestry
commission
asked
for
an
update
on
what
happens
when
the
city
violates
their
own
policy?
S
How
many
violations
would
it
have
been
if
it
was
by
comparison
to
private
property?
So
we
can
get
like
a
picture
that
would
inform
a
recommendation
and
what
are
the
ways
that
we
can
share
responsibility
with
the
community
and
share
successes,
but
also
accountability
for
if
folks
can
use
those
like
pictures
and
engagements
and
comments
to
participate
in
collecting
data
to
help
inform
not
just
this
situation
but
future
decisions.
So
those
are
the
kinds
of
questions
that
I
would
be
curious
to
know.
S
If
the
urban
forestry
commission
needs
more
information
needs
support,
needs
tools
so
that
either
the
staff
or
eyes
your
counsel
liaison
can
make
sure
that
we
don't
get
a
clog
of
communications,
because
I
think
that
would
be
a
disservice
to
everyone
involved.
But
it
also
is
an
opportunity
to
learn
some
lessons
on
what
we
do
in
this
situation
and
other
similar
ones.
A
Something
I
tried
to
advance
six
or
seven
years
ago
on
Council
is
why
don't
we
find
contractors
who
violate
our
tree
ordinances,
I
mean
in
most
cases
like
my
neighbor-
was
a
big
deal
here
some
years
ago
who
caused
the
landslide
and
all
because
he
had
a
contractor,
come
in
and
clear-cut
a
steep
slope
and
then
it
washed
out
and
it
washed
into
the
road
and
the
city
had
to
clean
the
road
and
the
city's
enforcement
was
to
go
talk
to
him
and
he
came
and
talked
to
us
at
the
urban
forestry
commission
and
said
that
he
was
going
to
plant
some
trees
and
he's
planted
a
few
trees.
A
But
the
contractor,
who
did
that,
just
as
the
contractor,
who
violates
the
rules
on
the
golf
course
I
mean
the
contractor
in
either
case,
is
a
private,
a
private
operator.
Why
don't
they
get
fined?
I
mean
if
we
find
a
contractor
five
thousand
dollars
for
clu
for
conducting
a
clear
cut
for
a
private
individual.
S
That
brings
up
another
package
of
questions
that
the
urban
forestry
could
make
like
a
list
of
the
kinds
of
community
benefits
that
trees
provide
when
you're
looking
at
like
what
a
tree
inventory
is
what
is
the
value
of
stormwater
mitigation,
air
quality,
etc
for
a
tree
of
what
size
you
know,
there
may
be
that
there's
some
storm
water
mitigation
happening
from
invasive
species,
but
like
what
are
the
long-term
other
impacts?
S
Those
are
the
kinds
of
Curiosities
and
questions
and
processes
that
I
would
definitely
love
to
support
the
urban
forestry
commission,
making
as
a
whole.
What
I
think
we'll
bump
into
is
that
this
is
City
maintained,
property
right,
so
I
think
you
might
have
to
ask
a
different
kind
of
set
of
questions
around
by
comparison.
If
this
was
private
property,
what
would
the
cost
be
and
how
could
that
cost
be?
Mitigated.
G
Which
brings
me
to
stopping
the
bleed.
You
know:
we've
got
people
I
as
Chardon
I
drive
by
there
all
the
time,
I'm
watching
them
grading
and
doing
all
kinds
of
things
out
there.
So
there's
destruction
going
on
as
we
speak,
so
we've
got
City
properties.
G
So
we
must
have
some
kind
of
zoning
enforcement
on
city
property,
whether
it
goes
up
up
the
food
chain
from
Mark
to
having
someone
I'm
just
going
to
throw
out
Greg
because
I
know
Greg
is
above
Mark
I,
don't
know
if
that's
the
order
of
things
and
Greg
goes
out
there
and
he
walks
the
property
with
Chris
and
can
see
the
violation
with
the
grading
that's
going
on
or
the
continued
pruning
so
that
we
can
put
a
stop
to
what's
going
on
right
now
and
then
we
can
think
of
the
long-term
plan.
G
But
the
issue
with
me
is:
is
working
within
zoning.
All
the
time
is
on
the
food
chain
who
goes
out
there
and
walks
into
says.
You
know
you
guys
have
got
to
stop
this
in
this
area
because
it's
impacting
these
trees
and
we
all
know
that
we've
got
the
critical
root
Zone
and
they
can
like
in
my
world
I
tape
off
with
caution,
tape
or
whatever
and
say
you
can't
go
beyond
this
so
and
I
granted.
The
the
course
is
large,
but
they're
they're,
taking
the
course
and
they're
working
it
off
in
sections.
G
So
it's
not
like
there's
a
bunch
of
people
out
there
running
amok.
They
really
do
have
an
order,
but
we
need
to
have
oversight
right
now.
So
more
damage
is
not
incurred
right
now,
and
because
it's
city
property,
I'm
thinking,
someone
above
Mark,
can
go
out
and
walk
the
course
and
stop
what's
going
on
right
at
the
moment,.
E
Before
we
move
on
Mark,
do
you
want
to
respond
to
that.
N
Yeah
I
was
just
trying
to
look
through
chapter
20.
to
see
what
the
process
is.
That
is
appropriate
at
this
point
in
things,
since
this
is
no
longer
a
as
far
as
the
pruning
of
the
Oaks
is
concerned,
this
is
no
longer
a
new
situation
and
staff
have
tried
to
work
toward
some
sort
of
remediation
or
solution
or
whatever,
and
obviously
it's
it's
not
viewed
as
adequate.
N
But
it's
too
late
in
the
process
to
to
follow
the
steps
as
it's
outlined
in
chapter
20,
but
I
certainly
don't
mind
to
take
a
look
and
see
what
new
stuff
is
going
on.
I
know
that
more
drainage
work
had
to
be
done
so
that
the
marshy
parts
of
the
course
could
be
corrected.
N
N
But
as
far
as
the
you
know,
the
pruning
on
the
oak
trees
I,
was
definitely
not
real
pleased
to
see
how
that
had
turned
out,
as
we
had
the
expectation
that
the
contractor
had
a
certified
Arborist
who
was
supposed
to
be
babysitting
them
during
the
extent
of
the
process,
but
that
ship
is
also
sailed
already,
but
I
mean
doing
root,
work
around
the
trees
to
try
and
make
their
lives
better
in
terms
of
decompaction
and
maybe
changing
the
nutrients
levels
in
the
soil.
N
That
can
be
helpful,
but
we
can't
undo
the
pruning
that
happened,
and
so,
if
finding
was
to
be
proposed
for
the
pruning,
the
finding
usually
goes
on
for
each
day
that
a
violation
is
in
effect.
Well,
you
can't
undo
the
pruning,
so
you
you
can't
realistically
fine
for
every
day
that
the
trees
are,
you
know,
have
those
pruning
wounds,
the
wounds
aren't
going
away
and
you
can't
undo
it.
You
know
so
I
think
probably
a
legal
counsel
to
myself
and
Greg
would
probably
be
beneficial
because.
N
N
It
looks
as
though
a
a
notice
is
sent
to
the
party
who's
carrying
out
the
damage
it
is
sent
from,
let's
say
sent
from
Greg,
so
they're
they're
told
they
need
to
stop
doing
whatever
it
is
that
they're
doing
whatever
particular
violations,
and
then
some
sort
of
solution
is
supposed
to
be
proposed
and
then
the
folks
who
are
carrying
out
the
violations
are
supposed
to
Implement
that
solution
and
discontinue
whatever
damaging
you
know,
Behavior,
they're
doing
and
then
from,
and
if
they
were,
you
know
if
you
have
ongoing
violations,
it's
a
hundred
dollars
a
day
is
what
the
current
penalty
is
in
chapter
20.,.
E
Okay,
Chardon.
N
Yes,
I'm
in
the
public
works
department,
yeah
I'm,
not
in
the
same
Department
as
parks
and
really
Parks
and
Rec
is
not
the
department
that
has
the
golf
course
yeah.
H
I
wonder
you
know
with
the
idea
that
the
city
could
be
providing
the
gold
standard
of
how
to
work
around
trees
if
there's
a
way
to
ride
in
to
departments
that
are
working
around
trees,
such
as
musical
Golf,
Course
or
Parks,
and
Rec
that
if
a
tree
of
a
certain
size
is
going
to
be
encroached
upon,
you
know
outside
or
within
timer
times,
seven,
that
the
city
arborists
would
have
eyes
on
it
and
would
be
able
to
approve
or
disapprove
of
whatever
they
want
to
do.
H
You
know
for
the
instance
of
the
Fairway
Fairway
Drive
having
an
arborist
involved
in
that
would
have
prevented
a
lot
of
damage,
and
so
I
I
think
about
ways
that
the
city
can
provide
an
example
of
how
to
responsibly
work
around
trees
and
be
able
to
accomplish
what
they
want
to
accomplish
as
far
as
drainage
or
whatever
else
they're
trying
to
do.
There.
H
N
You
suggesting
that
when
projects
come
up
on
city
property,
that
I
should
be
on
site
during
the
entirety
of
the
day,
while
work
is
happening
around
the
trees.
H
I
mean
not
not
I'm,
not
suggesting
that
necessarily
I
know
you
know.
New
York
City
has
a
whole
Army
of
urban
Foresters
and
they
do
that.
We.
N
O
H
We
can
work
towards
that,
but
as
far
as
just
looking
at
the
project
beforehand
and
ideally
setting
up
fences
that
they
cannot
encroach
upon,
like
that's
huge
to
be
able
to
do
to
do
that
on,
you
know
a
30
inch
white
oak.
It
might
mean
the
difference
between
life
and
death
in
10
years.
I
Moving
forward,
I
I
like
to
think
of
situations
like
this
as
a
teachable
moment
and
and
we've
learned
a
lot
from
this
in
terms
of
what
could
go
wrong
and
also
maybe
things
that
we
need
to
correct
in
terms
of
process
and
I.
You
know
I
think
a
lot
of
this
could
relate
to
some
of
the
proposed
or
potential
proposed
revisions
to
chapter
20..
I
we've
had
some
considerable
discussion
with
the
public
works
about
the
role
of
the
urban
forestry
Commission
in
reviewing
the
removal
of
landmark
trees.
Public
Works
is
is
pretty
clear
that
they
don't
want
to
be
subject
to
an
approval
process
and
and
that's
understandable,
but
they
expressed
their
willingness
to
be
subjected
to
a
review
process.
I
I
I
think
the
review
of
all
capital
projects
in
the
city
if
they
impact
trees,
is
probably
appropriate,
as
well
as
the
review
of
of
contractor
agreements
which,
which
would
reinforce
adherence
to
a
300
standards
and
could
also
have
penalty
Clauses
in
in
there,
as
well
as
on-site
Arbors
oversight
by
Third
parties.
K
E
So
what
I'm
going
to
recommend
I'm
going
to
take
the
Liberty
to
make
this
recommendation,
and
that
is
to
ask
the
enforcement
working
group
to
schedule
a
meeting
a
point.
E
A
chair
discuss
what
they
would
have
a
preliminary
discussion
on
what
they
would
want
to
do
in
terms
of
making
changes
for
enforcement
not
only
on
public
land
but
also
private,
and
for
the
chair
to
Liaison,
with
the
policy
working
group
in
terms
of
making
changes
to
enforcement
on
public
land
and
as
well
to
Liaison
with
Kim
Peroni
and
determine
what
the
working
group
would
like
to
have
from
her
in
terms
of
support
and
information.
Does
anyone
on
the
commission
have
an
issue
with
that
recommendation.
G
What's
what's
our
current
immediate
to
what's
going
on
right
now,
we've
got
current
things
that
are
going
on
that
are
impacting
as
we
speak.
Are
we
going
to
just
pass
that
on
and
just
look
back
on
it
and
go
well
we're
moving
as
fast
as
we
can.
E
Well,
that'll
be
up
to
the
to
the
enforcement
working
group
to
come
back
with
some
kind
of
recommendation
or
discussion
for
the
urban
forestry
Commission,
but
I'd
like
to
make
sure
that
the
commission
does
not
have
any
issue
with
the
recommendation
that
I
just
stated
so
that
we
can
move
on.
E
So
anybody
him.
F
I
just
wanted
to
make
a
quick
comment
I'm
on
the
enforcement
subcommittee,
but
I
also
just
wanted
to
say
that
it
would
really
help
with
transparency.
If,
when
Greg
wrote
these
letters
to
the
people
in
violation
that
it
was
publicly
documented
the
date
and
the
nature
of
the
violation
and
that's
something
that
I
will
focus
on
in
the
enforcement
subcommittee.
S
And
then,
to
follow
up,
I
I
think
that
what
I'm
hearing
Patrick
say
is
you
would
anticipate
a
short-term
and
long-term
recommendation
under
the
short
term
could
address
this
issue.
S
Yeah
I'm,
just
thinking
you
you
if,
if
Karen
is
asking
those
kinds
of
questions
like
what
are
the
documented
violations,
then
you
would
be
able
to
make
a
short-term
recommendation
without
some
sort
of
data
or
metric.
Like
our.
We
have
public
comments.
We
have
pictures,
we
have.
Are
there
Asheville
app?
S
E
N
N
Nobody's
telling
me
that
they're
concerned
about
something
or
other
so
that
I
can
go
out
and
look
in
the
meantime.
I
get
hundreds
of
people
who
contact
me
routinely
to
tell
me
about
something,
they're
concerned
about
whether
it's
a
dead
tree
or
a
branch
hanging
over
their
sidewalk
or
they
can't
see
to
pull
out
in
an
intersection
or
whatever
you
know,
I've
I,
I'm
buried
under
those
people,
but
I
I'm,
not
hearing
anything
from
the
people
that
you
all
are
hearing
from.
N
And
then
we
have
the
meeting
and
you
know
you're
upset
about
the
situation
and
you
know
what
do
you
think
of
it?
Mark.
Well,
I!
Don't
know
nobody
told
me
so
how
about
somebody
telling
me
some
of
these
things
once
in
a
while,
instead
of
me
finding
them
out
at
the
meeting.
E
So
I
know
that
I
can't
remember
now
whether
it
was
Jackson
or
Hunter
did
send
an
email
out
in
which
had
all
the
a
link
to
all
the
emails
that
were
submitted
for
the
public
comment
section.
E
So
as
a
regular
participant
in
the
urban
forestry
commission
meetings.
I
assume
you
would
have
gotten
that,
if
not
I
will
make
sure
that
you
get
that
the
link
to
that
to
those
public
commenting,
meals.
N
Sorry,
that's
not
the
first
place,
I
go
to
look
when
I
want
to
find
out
that
something
pressing
and
Urgent
and
happening
right
now
where
I
would
go
to
find
that
sort
of
thing
you
know
so
no
I,
probably
glazed
right
over.
Looking
at
the
public
comment,
because
I'm
not
used
to
having
urgent
things
reported
to
me
in
that
sort
of
format,
you
know
normally
somebody's
bringing
your
phone
off
the
hook
or
emailing
you
to
death
or
sending
Asheville
apps
to
you.
N
E
Well,
if,
if
you
can't
find
the
link,
let
me
know
and
I'll
make
sure
you
get
it
Kim,
and
then
we
got
to
move
on
yeah.
S
I'll
just
say
it
Mark,
it's
certainly
not
just
in
one
Department
transit,
for
example,
folks,
send
a
variety
of
different
concerns
and
and
some
important
things
get
missed.
So
I
would
say
that
if
enforcement
might
want
to
hear
what
I'm
hearing
is
that
staff
also
need
to
be
included
in
Communications
and
that
we
may
have
a
clog
or
a
misconnection.
E
All
right,
well
thanks
everybody.
This
was
a
very
good
discussion
and
I
would
hope
that
in
our
September
meeting
that
we'll
receive
at
least
some
update
from
the
enforcement
working
group.
E
The
other
issue
under
public
comment
and
I
know
there
was
at
least
one
person,
maybe
two
who
wanted
to
call
in
about
the
hall.
Creek
sidewalk
project
and
I
had
received
some
emails
from
people
in
Hull
Creek
regarding
the
project
and
who
were
very
concerned
that,
from
what
they
stated
to
me,
was
the
removal
of
some
77
trees
as
part
of
this
project.
E
Of
course,
the
information
that
I
was
getting
was
only
one
one
side,
so
I
asked
that
Dustin
Clemens
come
to
our
meeting
and
give
us
an
update
on
the
Hulk
Creek
sidewalk
project
and
explain
to
us
about
the
tree
removal
and
also
the
storm
water,
a
plan
for
that
project
and
Dustin
I,
apologize
that
the
meeting
has
gone
on
for
so
long
now.
But
it's
all
yours.
O
No,
no
apology
needed
you
guys
have
a
lot
on
your
plate.
I
will
try
to
be
brief,
though,
and
definitely
save
some
time
to
address
specific
questions
or
specific
specific
issues.
You
all
are
hearing
from
the
community
award
that
you
might
have
yourself
so
I'll
give
everyone
a
quick
overview
of
what
the
project
is
and
then
get
a
little
bit
more
into
the
detail.
So.
O
Thank
you,
I'm
Dustin,
Clemens
I'm,
a
program
manager
in
the
capital
projects
Department
with
the
city
of
Nashville.
O
The
new
Hall
Creek
sidewalk
project
is
a
city
project
funded
in
part
from
the
2016
Transportation
Bond.
It
is
also
being
funded
by
an
ncdot
Grant.
O
O
The
project
is
obviously
along
New
Hall,
Creek
Road.
It
extends
from
the
south
on
Miller
Road,
which
is
towards
the
bottom
of
the
screen
about
a
mile
North
on
New
Hawk,
Creek
Road
and
terminates
at
Bell
Road.
O
A
very
narrow
road
right
of
way,
so
over
the
last
probably
two
years,
we've
been
working
really
closely
with
individual
property
owners
to
acquire
right-of-way
in
order
to
build
the
sidewalk
we're
built
building
to
both
City
standards
and
ncbot
standards.
So
our
sidewalk
width
will
be
a
six
foot
wide
back
of
curb
sidewalk
I'm
in
order
to
construct
that
there
is
quite
a
lot
of
stormwater
infrastructure
that
has
to
be
installed
as
well
as
retaining
walls.
O
So
the
the
sidewalk
will
be
on
the
west
side
or
the
left
side
of
this
image
for
approximately
half
of
the
project
length
and
then
around
Dogwood
Grove
Road.
The
sidewalk
will
shift
to
the
east
side
of
the
road
and
continue
up
on
North
to
the
terminus
on
the
east
side
of
the
road.
O
As
I
indicated
it
isn't.
It's
a
narrow,
right-of-way,
there's
a
dire
need
for
pedestrian
improvements
along
this
roadway,
and
because
of
that,
there
is
quite
a
bit
of
shoulder
work
that
has
to
take
place
within
those
easements
that
were
requiring
on
private
property.
O
We've
tried
to
minimize
the
amount
of
disturbance
to
private
property
as
much
as
possible.
So
we've
tried
to
hit
sort
of
a
sweet
spot
in
the
height
of
some
of
these
retaining
walls,
the
polar
the
retaining
wall,
the
much
more
expensive
it
is,
but
the
less
right-of-way
we'll
have
to
also
be
acquired.
O
So
we've
we've
sort
of
balance
to
the
cost
of
the
retaining
walls
versus
the
cost
of
the
right-of-way.
As.
N
O
As
we
could
in
several
areas,
some
of
those
dot
standards
that
you
might
have
heard
about,
because
we've
heard
about
them
too,
are
how
the
drainage
is
handled
behind
the
retaining
walls
for
probably
about
30
percent
of
the
entire
length
of
the
corridor.
O
There
are
some
residents
in
the
neighborhood
that
feel
that's
not
really
in
keeping
with
the
residential
character
hunt.
Their
property
and
I
do
not
disagree
with
that,
but
it
is
a
requirement
that
the
dot
is
forcing
us
to
use.
So
I
know
that
they
are
working
on
Outreach
to
the
dot
specifically
to
see
if
some
of
those
requirements
can
be
modified,
and
we
are
inactive
conversations
with
DOT
to
try
to
address
that
as
well.
O
The
overall
status
right
now
is:
we've.
We've
finished
design
work
minus
a
few,
very
minor
items
that
we're
addressing
for
DOT.
We
are
still
working
through
utility
and
coordination
with
both
water
infrastructure
and
Duke
utility
lines.
O
We
hope
to
get
through
that
those
utility
conflicts
within
the
next
couple
of
months
and
also
within
the
next
couple
of
months,
wrap
up
all
of
the
right-of-way
acquisition,
but
once
we
have
all
of
the
right-of-way
acquired,
we
do
have
to
go
through
a
DOT
process
to
get
all
of
those
Acquisitions
certified
on
their
behalf,
which
is
about
a
two-month
process.
O
O
We
have
not
done
detailed
survey
to
count
the
number
of
trees
that
have
been
removed.
So
if
there's
a
number
of
77
floating
out
there,
I
do
not
know.
If
that
is
an
accurate
number
or
not.
O
We
do
have
a
survey
and
we
do
have
as
part
of
the
right-of-way
acquisition.
We
have
acquired
temporary
construction
easements
for
the
contractor
to
build
the
retaining
walls
and
build
the
store
model
systems
and
to
build
the
sidewalks
associated
with
that
infrastructure
and,
of
course,
the
permanent
easements
that
will
Encompass
the
retaining
walls
of
storm
water
and
sidewalks
as
well.
O
But
we
do
not
yet
now
until
we
have
conversations
with
a
contractor
and
understand
what
their
approach
is
going
to
be.
Building
these
walls
exactly
how
that
you
know
which
tree
can
be
preserved
and
which
tree
cannot
be
preserved.
E
So
the
the
retaining
wall
and
the
storm
water
runoff
system
wouldn't
necessitate
removal
of
an
uncertain
number
of
trees.
At
this
point,
that.
O
That
is
an
accurate
statement.
Yes,
sir,
as
you
can
see
that
these
are
the
technical
drawings,
the
engineer
has
prepared
the
the
heck.
The
gray
area
is
the
proposed
six
foot
wide
sidewalk.
The
heady
black
line
is
the
proposed
retaining
wall
and
behind
that
retaining
wall.
This
thicker
double
dashed
line
is
the
the
temporary
construction
easement
and
the
proposed
limits
of
disturbance
again
just
because
we're
showing
it
as
the
proposed
limits
of
disturbance
does
not
mean
that
every
tree
within
that
area
is
going
to
get
removed.
O
G
A
quick
question:
are
you
going
to
count
your
trees
on
private
property
first
and
then
look
at
your
other?
Are
you
going
to
treat
it
all
together
of
just
counting
trees,
because
I
do
know
what
MSD
has
done
work
that
they
will
compensate
the
owners
when
they've
got
to
go
in
and
redo
pipe
or
something
and
they'll
put
a
value
on
each
tree
that
they
have
to
remove
to
put
the
pipe
in
our?
Do
you
guys
see
that
same
type
of
thing,
or
we.
O
Do
and
the
way
it's
done
is
when
we're
negotiating
through
a
third-party
agent,
with
the
private
property
owner
for
both
permanent
easement
and
the
temporary
constructivities,
but
there's
an
appraisal
process.
That's
done,
based
on
the
land
value
and
based
on
improvements
within
that
land
value
too,
so
that
there's
a
an
independent
process
to
go
through
to
put
a
dollar
figure
for
both
the
temporary
easement
and
the
permanent
easement.
Whenever
we're
taking
private
property.
O
The
only
thing
that
we
will
be
allowed
to
work
on
is
area
that
we've
gotten
easements
from
so
we'll
we're
required.
We
can't
work
on
private
property.
We
have
to
have
easements
in
order
to
do
that,
so
that
the
temporary
construction
easement
is
that
area
that
allows
the
contractor
to
get
in
there
and
do
the
work
that
they
have
to
do.
G
Well,
yeah:
that's
what
I
meant
so
when
you
have
your
temporary
easement
and
but
that
typically
May
belong
to
the
Joneses
and
they've,
given
you
that
easement
and
then
there's
trees
on
it
that
were
the
Joneses.
But
now
it's
a
temporary
easement
and
that's
where
you'll
go
to
negotiate
with
the
Joneses,
whether
trees
stay
or
go
or
they
can
be
purchased
to
plant
new
trees
after
the
construction
is
done.
H
Dan,
thank
you
Dustin
for
the
presentation.
You
know
just
looking
on
Google
Street
View,
you
know
going
driving
down
New
Hall
Creek,
you
kind
of
have
like
a
bank
of
green
on
the
left,
and
then
it
looks
like
power
lines
are
mostly
on
the
on
the
east
side
of
New
Hall
Creek.
Was
there
any
discussion
about
putting
the
sidewalk
on
the
east
side?
H
O
There
was
a
lot
of
an
unbelievable
amount
of
discussion
on
that
as
well
we've.
We
almost
had
it
designed
to
the
60
level.
O
On
the
east
side,
there
were
significant
retaining
additional
retaining
walls
that
have
to
be
built
on
the
east
side
and
other
private
property
impacts
that
caused
us
to
sort
of
shift
design
and
end
up
going
to
the
the
west
side
for
that
first
Southern
section
and
then
shipping
back
over
to
the
right
side.
O
So
we've
definitely
explored
a
lot
of
that
with
our
engineer
and
done
costs
safety
analyzes
as
much
as
we
could
to
try
to
limit
the
number
of
Crossings
and
try
to
try
to
limit
the
overall
expense
for
the.
H
City
as
well,
instead
of
retaining
walls-
and
you
know,
building
on
that
steep
slope
on
the
east
side,
was
there
any
discussion
of
just
doing
like
a
peer
system
and
kind
of
having
like
a
floating
sidewalk.
O
But
there
was
not
no,
no,
we
we
did
not
look
at
in
what
I
would
consider
an
Innovative
strategy
like
that,
because
there
are
again.
This
is
a
DOT
road
with
DOT
funding
and
they
have
very
specific
standards
and
details
that
they
rely
on
for
for
good
reason
on
the
end,
if
we
I'm
speculating
here,
of
course,
but
if
we
would
have
proposed
something
like
that,
it
would
not
have
been
approved.
O
I
Yeah,
thank
you.
So
is
the
contractor
going
to
prepare
a
separate
set
of
construction
drawings
then,
or
are
they
going
to
be
working
off
the
plans
that
you
just
showed
us.
O
They
will
be
working
off
the
plans
that
they
just
showed
us.
They
will
have
once
they
propose
that
I
did
not
mention,
but
the
retaining
walls
are
modular
block,
retaining
walls
so
once
once
they
determine
which
manufacturer
or
brand
of
retaining
walls,
they
will
have
to
do
additional
shop,
drawings
submittals
for
the
engineers
review
just
on
the
technical
aspects
of
How
It's
put
together.
I
O
Not
on
the
set
of
construction
drawings
that
we've
issued
to
the
contractor
now
right,
what
they
will
do
is
they
will
stake
out
the
temporary
construction.
These
men
they'll
have
a
survey
or
stake
all
of
that
out
and
and
once
we
have,
that
line
staked
we'll
meet
in
the
field,
with
a
contractor
and
again
talk
through
their
methods
of
construction
and
see
which
trees
will
have
to
go
and
a
lot
of
them
will
have
to
go.
O
I
And
this
kind
of
speaks
to
the
earlier
problem
that
we
had
with
the
golf
cart
course
in
a
way,
and
and
that's
that
we
can't
rely
on
contractors
to
even
pretend
to
understand
basic
tree
biology
enough
to
make
decisions
as
to
which
trees
can
be
saved
and
which
can't
hand,
especially
if
the
trees
aren't
located
on
a
site
plan.
And
you
can't
even
yes
what
type
of
impact
might
occur
without
seeing
the
relationship
of
the
tree
and
its
roots
to
the
grading.
I
So
I
I'm
calling
into
question
the
process,
along
with
the
statement
that
we're
going
to
save
as
many
trees
as
we
can,
when
there's
no
process
being
employed
to
save
as
many
trees
as
we
can
yeah.
O
I
hear
you
Mr
Macy
and
I
I.
Don't
I,
don't
disagree
with
you,
but
I'll
tell
you
that
this
is
a
process
that
we
have
used
in
the
past.
We've
used
it
for
the
French
Broad
River
Hemingway,
West,
again
the
exact
same
process.
We
did
not
have
a
true
survey
there,
but
we
worked
hand
in
hand
with
the
contractor
to
limit
the
amount
of
tree
removal
and
I
think
that's
a
very
successful
example
of
exactly
how
how
we,
as
staff,
can
work
hand
in
hand
with
a
contractor
and
save
healthy
trees.
I
Alternative
I
don't
intend
to
put
you
on
the
spot,
but
just
to
bring
attention
to
the
rest
of
the
commission
that
I
I
personally,
don't
trust
contractors
with
trees.
I
You
know
most
Tree
Experts
spend
you
know
four
six,
eight
years
studying
tree
biology
and
and
understand
some
techniques
that
truly
enable
you
to
save
trees
as
many
trees,
as
you
can
in
construction
processes
and
that's
not
being
employed
in
these
cases
and
future
future
and
I
have
to
say
this
so
that
we
can
keep
a
straight
face
with
the
public
because
they're
the
ones
that
we
have
to
be
transparent
with
so
I'll
be
quiet.
H
Dustin
out,
if
you'll
humor
me
for
a
second
jump
back
in
I,
can't
help
but
think
about
how
much
how
many
less
trees
would
be
removed.
If
the
sidewalk
was
built
on
Piers
on
the
east
side
of
the
road
and
underneath
the
power
lines
that
already
don't
have
any
trees
underneath
them,
is
there
a
way
that
you
could
at
least
ask
the
dot
to
consider
that.
O
We
certainly
could
ask
them,
but
I'll,
but
I
will
also
reiterate
that
we
have
gone
through
a
years-long
design
process.
We
have
a
final
design
in
hand,
we
have
funding
in
place
and
we're
we're
finalizing
right-of-way
acquisition
for
the
current
design.
If
we
were
to
go
through
a
process
of
changing
the
alignment,
it
would
mean
that
we
acquired
property
that
we
didn't
need
to
acquire
and
we
would
have
to
acquire
additional
property
on
the
other
side
of
the
road
to
do
additional
design
work
and
it
would
be
easily
years
of
delay.
O
I
can
say
with
confidence
that
there
would
be
less
trees
removed.
Had
we
put
the
sidewalk
on
the
east
side
of
the
road
for
the
entire
stretch,
but
I
can
also
say
with
confidence
that
the
cost
would
be
astronomically
higher
than
what
it
is
right
now
and
there
there
is
about.
There
needs
to
be
a
balance,
I
think
between
the
way
public
money
is
spent
period,
so
I'll
just
leave
it
at
that.
Yeah.
H
I,
you
know
I
know
it's
a
lot
of
work
and
it's
it's
in
the
final
stages,
but
I
just
there's
a
lot
of
dump
trucks
going
up
and
down
the
hall
Creek
with
a
bunch
of
dirt
that
to
build
retaining
walls
that
wouldn't
necessarily
need
to
be
converting
that
diesel
fuel
to
do
that.
So
I'll
just
leave
it
at
that
sure.
A
See
you
soon,
I
would
just
observe
that
it
seems
like
on
a
project
like
this.
There
ought
to
be
some
mechanism
for
the
urban
Forester
commission
to
be
insulted
earlier,
not
that
we
would
have
successfully
changed
it
and
I
I
get
Dustin's
argument
about
the
cost.
I
mean
that's,
certainly
a
big
issue,
but
somehow
it
seems
like
we're
we're
hearing
about
this
after
a
year
or
years
of
project
development
and
now
we're
we're
told
about
it
and
it's
sort
of
like
basically
there's
nothing
we
can
do.
A
E
Well,
I
think
we
need
to
keep
in
mind
that
our
main
role
is
that
to
advise
the
city
council,
you
know
other
than
alternative
compliance.
E
E
You
know
to
do
that
would
require
obviously
an
ordinance
change,
so
the
best
we
could
do
is
whether
it's
the
municipal
golf
course
or
this
sidewalk
project-
is
to
evaluate
these
as
Lessons
Learned
and
see
if
there
is
a
way
that
we
can
make
recommendations
to
the
city
council
for
some
kind
of
change.
O
Q
O
I'll,
add
you
know
I'm
I'm
happy
to
come
to
this
commission
to
provide
updates
on
any
capital
projects.
You
guys
have
any
interest
in
and
we
are
certainly
open
to
suggestions
and
I
realize
it's
hard
for
you
all
to
take
me
seriously
at
this
point
of
the
project.
But
we
have
explored
lots
of
different
options
on
design,
especially
on
this
particular
project,
and
we've
weighed
a
lot
of
pros
and
cons
and.
M
O
O
An
elevated
storm
I
mean
I,
know
the
sidewalk
works
great.
But
how
do
you
handle
the
stormwater
that's
associated
with
the
new
curve
for
that
elevated
sidewalk?
You
have
to
build
an
elevated
storm
water
system
below
it
as
well,
and
that's
just
fraught
with
technical
issues.
K
O
H
Thank
you,
chardan
yeah,
just
last.
Thank
you
for
bringing
that
up
Cecil.
It
is
I
think,
especially
from
the
golf
course
it
seems,
like
things
were
kind
of
already
decided
by
the
time.
You
know.
Urban
forestry
commission
was
consulted
that
just
just
here
to
point
out
that
there'd
be
less
storm
water
if
there
were
more
trees
left
standing.
E
Not
thank
you
very
much
Dustin
for
coming
to
the
meeting
and
explaining
the
project,
and
maybe
we'll
have
you
back
for
a
further
update
later
on
I'd
be
happy
to.
Thank
you
all.
Thank
you
all
right.
So,
let's
move
on
to
finally
old
business.
E
None
okay
policy
working
group,
ed
Macy,.
E
I
Thank
you.
The
policy
working
group
held
a
couple
of
meetings,
one
with
Chris
Collins
regarding
chapter
719,
and
we're
pretty
close
to
closing
the
book
on
our
work
with
revising
that
chip
chapter.
That's
the
canopy
Amendment,
probably
the
most
significant
contribution
is
inclusion
of
landmark
tree
language,
which
would
give
developers
and
Builders
double
credit
for
protecting
Landmark
trees
and
also
require
double
canopy
replacement
for
removing
them.
I
So
it
seems,
like
we've,
got
the
city's
agreement
to
include
that
language.
One
area
we
were
hung
up
with
and
Chris
Collins
is
checking
with
legal
on
is
provision
that
would
require
or
address
boundary
tree
issues,
a
boundary
tree
issues
where
a
builder
developer
is
building
on
their
site
and
they're,
impacting
a
neighbor's
tree.
That's
on
on
it.
You
know
just
across
the
property
line
because
tree
roots,
don't
don't
really
recognize
property
boundaries
and
there's
been
some
impacts
to
neighbors
trees
over
the
recent
years.
I
I
So
so
the
whole
intent
with
this
is
to
have
some
language
in
there.
That
number
one
recognizes
the
boundary.
I
Trees
will
be
impacted
and
number
two
requires
developers
to
enter
into
boundary
tree
agreements
with
the
neighbors
so
that
the
developer
recognizes
their
impacting
a
neighbor's
tree,
agreeing
to
either
mitigate
those
impacts
with
Arbor
cultural
treatments
or
remove
and
replace
the
tree,
if
which
you
die
within
a
couple
growing
seasons
of
that
impact,
so
that
sycamore
tree
behind
Gray
Eagle
could
probably
cost
upwards
of
seven
to
ten
thousand
dollars
to
remove
and
it's
unfortunate
that
the
property
owner
has
to
pay
that
expense,
because
the
developer
built
next
door.
I
So
the
whole
intent
of
this
boundary
tree
agreement
is
to
protect
our
neighbors
so
update
on
chapter
20.
we're
moving
along
well
with
that
we
had
a
meeting
with
Public
Works.
I
We
are
also
including
some
Landmark
tree
Provisions.
In
that
chapter
there
aren't
any
major
Hang-Ups
that
I
think
that's
going
to
preclude
any
future
revisions,
we're
just
working
out
some
detail
on
language
and
process,
and
things
like
that.
I
After
some
of
today's
discussion,
though,
I
I
may
want
to
Circle
back
and
think
about
how
public
projects
affect
public
trees
and
how
we
might
process
that
differently.
So
if
any
of
you
have
any
any
thoughts
on
that
feel
free
to
shoot
me,
a
note.
I
appreciate
that,
for
the
sake
of
brevity,
Patrick
I
think
that's
all
I
have.
G
It
needs
to
get
into
7-Eleven
3
as
well
somehow
some
way
so
we're
talking
to
Chris
about
719
it'd,
be
a
small
text
amendment
to
get
it
into
7-Eleven
3,
because
that's
where
a
lot
of
I
look
at
plans
that
I
don't
see
what
the
trees
are
that
are
butted
up
against
the
plan
and
I
know,
there's
a
lot
of
them
when
I
Google
it
Google,
Earth
it
and
see
yeah
that
that's
a
excellent,
excellent
point
and
I
also
like
your
boundary
tree
removal
or
impact
I
thought.
G
K
I
G
I'll,
send
you
an
email
on
we'll
discuss
it.
Okay,.
E
Patrick.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
Ed.
Moving
on
to
the
Urban
Forest
master
plan
working
working
group.
Is
there
any
update.
J
I
E
Thank
you.
Zoe
stay
there
because
missing
middle
housing,
update
Zoe.
J
I
think
that
everybody's
aware
of
what's
a
missing
Little
House
housing
study
is
when
we
last
met.
They
had
had
a
stakeholder
meeting
that
didn't
include
the
urban
Farson
commission
and,
in
the
overview
that
they
presented
to
the
stakeholders
they
specifically
identified
as
possible
barriers.
J
Other
Udo
development
requirements
such
as
the
tree
canopy
preservation,
ordinance,
section,
7-19,
Landscaping
standards,
section
7-113
and
steep
slope
requirements,
section
7-12.4,
so
the
policy
working
group
worked
together
to
send
a
statement
to,
through
the
analysis
group,
essentially
saying
that
we
were
not
okay
with
the
consideration
of
any
of
those
as
possible
barriers.
J
The
actual
advisory
committee
met
on
Thursday
and
I
have
to
say
that
there
was
no
mention
of
any
of
our
any
of
the
ordinances
in
any
of
the
materials
that
they
presented
as
possible
barriers
and
I.
Read
the
the
analysis,
the
larger
analysis
yesterday
and,
and
that's
true
of
that
larger
analysis,
so
moving
forward
when
I
present
my
feedback
on
the
larger
analysis.
I
will
probably
add
this
back
in
just
in
case
but
Patrick.
What
is
your
impression.
E
So
I
think
you're
right
I
was
surprised
that
the
true
canopy
preservation
ordinance
was
not
mentioned
as
a
potential
barrier
and
we'll
get
to
the
gis
study
related
to
that,
and
in
a
few
minutes
there
was
some
discussion.
Some
option
put
out
there
that
the
landscape
barrier
standards
might
be
changed
to
fit
the
different
kinds
of
missing
little
housing.
But
that
is
not
a
recommendation.
E
It
was
just
mentioned
in
the
analysis
of
barriers
memo,
so
we
still
have
ways
to
go,
and
the
advisory
committee
will
in
the
next
two
weeks
will
be
putting
in
their
input
to
the
additional
input
to
the
analysis
and
barriers
memo.
E
And,
of
course,
if
this
Friday
for
from
four
to
seven
at
the
Cherokee
Center,
there
is
a
Citywide
public
engagement
Workshop,
which
is
an
opportunity
for
everybody
outside
of
the
missing
mineral
housing
advisory
committee
to
come
and
review
some
of
the
materials
that
the
consultant
opticos
has
prepared
and
give
further
input
and
feedback
to
the
consultant.
E
So
Ed
I
saw
your
hand
was
up.
Do
you
still
want
to
say
something.
I
N
Wanted
to
share
an
update,
I
got
back
from
Chris
I,
sent
an
email
to
to
him
and
to
Greg
and
to
Eric
and
legal
to
share
your
concerns
and
your
desire
to
you
know
pursue
you,
know,
stop
work,
orders
or
notices
of
violation
or
that
sort
of
thing
the
the
quote:
grading
work,
this
is
Chris's
reply
noted,
is
that
water
department
project,
replacing
a
water
line
along
Fairway
Drive,
is:
is
that
what
the
complainant
is
concerned
about
on
Fairway
Drive,
or
is
it
some
other
location?
N
N
Be
honest,
all
righty,
so
well,
not
knowing
what
she's
actually
complaining
about
is,
will
sort
of
get
in
the
way
of
just
of
determining
whether
or
not
there's
some
sort
of
violation
going
on,
but
and
that's
that's
why
it
would
really
be
beneficial
if
citizens
who
are
concerned
about
you
know,
damage
being
done
to
trees
could
be
directed
to
report
that
to
City
staff.
N
You
know
as
quickly
as
possible,
rather
than
the
information
funneling
through
the
the
commission
and
then
sort
of
eventually
reaching
us
after
you're
all
really
upset
and
she's
good
and
upset.
That
would
be
a
wonderful
process
change,
so
he
they
are,
there's
no
other
grading
going
on
there
or
near
trees.
N
According
to
his
reply,
then
reshaping
some
of
the
sections,
let's
see
sand
traps
and
some
greens
have
been
rebuilt,
but
not
beside
trees,
so
I'll
gather
more
information,
but
if,
if
the
information
you
have
can
be
shared
with
me,
because
I
can't
find
it
in
my
emails,
okay,
that
would
be
really
helpful.
I.
E
Will
do
that
Mark?
Thank
you
and
I
believe
they,
the
person,
Gloria
Shin,
was
primarily
communicating
with
Chris
Coral.
So,
okay,
well.
Q
E
Make
sure
after
this
beginning
that
you
get
the
the
information,
the
email
that
was
submitted
for
the
public
comment
section.
Thank
you
so
much
sure
Padilla.
R
Thanks
Patrick
I
was
just
going
to
follow
up
on
the
missing
middle
housing
discussion
just
to
let
you
know
that
the
the
barriers,
if
you
attend
on
Friday,
you'll,
note
that
that
one
of
the
concerns
heard
that
stated
publicly
is
this
concern
of
loss
of
trees
and
tree
impacts.
So
at
this
point
all
the
Consultants
have
done
is
is
listen
to
various
stakeholders
to
build
up
what
they've
begun
to
put
together
in
a
draft
document
that
lists
barriers
and
related
concerns.
R
They
haven't
made
any
recommendations
yet
so
that's
pending.
If
you
participate
on
Friday,
you
know
some
of
your
ideas
may
move
forward
if
they
haven't
already
been
captured,
so
feel
free
to
do
that,
even
just
to
learn
more
about
the
there's,
some
really
nice
visuals
they
put
together
so
it'll
give
you
an
opportunity
to
kind
of
see
it
all
in
one
place
and
to
speak
with
staff
or
the
Consultants,
but
really
I.
E
Right,
thank
you.
Vadilla
and
I
do
encourage
everyone
if
they
can
to
at
least
stop
in
during
a
portion
of
that
public
workshop
on
Friday,
and
if
you
need
any
further
information.
Email
me
and
I'll
make
sure
or
Zoe
and
we'll
make
sure
that
you
you
get
that
information
on
the
workshop
because
of
the
potential
for
the
tree.
Canopy
preservation
ordinance
to
be
identified
as
a
barrier
and
to
help
both
the
missing
middle
housing
advisory
committee,
as
well
as
their
own
forestry
commission
side.
E
What
the
impact
of
that
would
be.
I
asked
Chris
Collins
if
the
city
staff
could
do
a
GIS
survey
of
all
the
available
residential
single-family,
zoned
properties
in
the
city
and
all
of
the
residential
multi-family
zoned
vacant
properties
in
the
city
and
then
map
the
tree
canopy.
E
That
is
on
those
parcels,
so
I'm
going
to
ask
Sam
Starbomb
who
did
that
GIS
study
to
go
over
it
with
the
commission
just
in
case
it
will
help
us
I,
think
and
just
in
terms
of
a
taking
this
information
and
having
it
in
our
hit
pockets
and
just
in
case
that
the
peak
canopy
preservation
ordinance
may
come
back
around
in
these
discussions
on
missing
mineral
housing
as
a
potential
barrier.
Excuse
me
so
Sam.
L
Yeah,
thank
you
Mr,
chairman
again,
for
those
who
are
watching
at
home.
My
name
is
Sam
Starbomb
I'm,
a
planner
2
with
the
city
of
Asheville
and
the
planning
and
Urban
Design
Department,
as
Patrick
had
accurately
surmised.
What
I
was
tasked
with
was
was
this
Chris
approached
me
and
asked
this
broad
question,
given
our
available
data,
what
is
the
tree?
Canopy
coverage
in
Asheville,
relative
to
residential
single
family
and
residential
multi-family
districts
to
I
will
try
and
keep
this
short
as
best
as
possible.
L
Just
as
a
quick
refresh
for
everyone
watching,
you
know
there
are,
are
several
RS
and
RN
districts
those
were
lumped
in
together.
This
was
not
done
as
individual
districts,
so
this
there
wasn't
an
analysis
for
rs2
RS4,
rm6
rm16
things
like
that.
That
is
something
that
can
be
done
later.
If
that's
something
you'll
want.
So
let
me
go
ahead
and
share
my
screen,
so
you
can
see
how
this
went
get
rid
of
that.
L
So
you
should
be
able
to
see
the
outline
of
the
city
of
Asheville
city
of
Asheville
itself
is
45
square
miles
in
previous
studies
done
by
the
Davis
Group
in
2018.
They
have.
They
had
done
analysis
of
tree
canopy
for
all
of
this
I
I
think,
while
well
intentioned.
That
is
not
necessarily
accurate.
I
think
we
should
be
looking
at
what
is
parcelized.
So
what
I
then
did
is
removed
all
elements
within
city
of
Asheville
jurisdiction
that
aren't
partialized.
L
This
would
include,
but
is
not
limited
to
French
Broad
River
Swannanoa,
River,
I-40
240
things
like
this,
because,
if
you're
having
the
tree
conversation
that
is
not
I
I,
don't
want
to
say
it's
disingenuous,
but
it's
not
right
to
say
that
you
know
there's
an
absence
of
trees
there,
and
that
is
a
problem.
Of
course
there
aren't
trees
on
I-40.
If
we're
having
trees.
There,
that's
going
to
be
a
larger
issue
than
say
tree,
canopy
or
heat
island,
so
quickly.
What
we
did
is
we
looked
at
all
RS
and
RRM
zones.
L
You
can
see
RM
zones
orange
RS
zones
in
the
yellow.
We
had
the
tree,
canopy
information
provided
the
biggest
challenge
of
this
is
this
is
tree
canopy
data
from
2018
I
did
not
have
access
to
updated
information,
but
we
did
have
up-to-date
information
for
building
values,
which
let
us
determine
that.
What
Parcels
were
vacant
and
were
so
when,
when
you
set
the
building
value
to
zero,
which
is
to
say
that
the
assessor
recognizes
there
aren't
any
buildings
whatsoever,
that's
how
we
determined
what
was
vacant
so
we
go
through.
L
We
go
ahead
and
we
see
basically
that
there
are
very
few
Parcels
in
Asheville
and
what's
nice
about
this,
is
you
can
sort
of
see
the
outline
where
this
is
and
where
some
of
the
larger
Parcels
are
that
are
still
considered
vacant,
and
then
we
apply
tree
canopy
to
it.
So
those
are
the
ones
that
have
tree
canopy
on
them
as
recognized
by
the
information
provided
in
2018,
and
we
run
some
quick
analysis
with
that.
So,
ultimately,
this
is
what
we
come
up
with.
Can
you
all
see
this
results
table
right
now.
L
Yes,
cool,
so
you
know
with
this
there's
some
information
we
found.
What
we
were
able
to
determine
is
that
overall
tree
canopy
coverage
for
city
of
Asheville
in
the
parcelized
components.
Only
and
again,
that's
38
square
miles
versus
the
45
square
miles.
There's
53
overall
tree
canopy
coverage,
which
is
fine,
and
then
you
can
look
at
these
totals
so
there's
thirteen
Thousand
Acres
of
RS
District
land,
there's
6895
Acres
of
RM
total
land.
You
get
your
tree
canopy
there.
L
You
then
again
set
the
building
value
to
zero
and
suddenly
the
the
RS
and
RM
totals
get
much
smaller.
So
you
can
move
into
what's
vacant
and
you
can
see
the
results
here.
So
four
tree
canopy
percentage
of
vacant,
RS,
Parcels
they're,
still
nearly
50,
that's
49.21
percent
tree
canopy
for
vacant
RS
parcels
and
again
that's
for
all
RS,
that's
not
separated
by
rs2,
four
or
eight
for
RM
vacancy.
That's
a
little
bit
lower
at
44.68
percentage
and
then
I
just
did
the
the
converse.
So
I
I
then
said
If.
L
If
we
have
vacant
what
is
built,
what
what
do
we
have
for
tree
canopy
on
existing
infrastructure,
where
building
value
is
greater
than
zero
or
greater
than
one,
and
we
find
that
there's
still
adequate
canopy,
specifically
for
RS?
This
is
one
of
those.
If
you
were
to
break
it
up
spatially,
you
would
find
that
this
is
largely
in
North,
Asheville,
North,
East,
Asheville,
largely
where
you
would
expect
for
for
cultural
and
Geographic
areas.
L
It
is
much
lower
for
the
three
canopy
percentage
in
RM
Parcels
that
already
are
built
upon
that
goes
down
to
35
percent,
and
then
you
just
get
your
overall.
So
when
you,
when
you
combine
those
when
you,
when
you
do
the
math-
and
you
say
what
is
the
total
tree,
canopy
percentage
for
all
RS
and
all
RM
zones,
you
get
about
50
again
for
RS,
and
then
it
is
much
lower
for
overall
RM.
So
that's
a
little
bit
about
that
study.
I
I
was
not
privy
to
any
conversations.
L
I
was
just
asked
to
sort
of
do
this
by
Chris.
So,
instead
of
me,
talking
about
things
that
you
may
or
may
not
be
interested
in
I
would
think
it
would
be
a
better
use,
more
efficient
use
of
a
time
if
I
just
stand
for
questions.
I
will
say
this,
though
there
are
a
few
things
to
take
note
of
again
that
the
creek
the
tree
canopy,
is
from
2018.
All
other
data
is
is
up
to
date.
The
parcels
everything
is
is
pulled
straight
from
emergency
data
from
Buncombe
County.
L
What
isn't
there
is
what
has
been
granted
entitlements
but
hasn't
been
built,
yet
my
colleague
clay,
Mitchell
who's,
an
excellent
planner
with
all
of
us
in
in
planning
and
Urban
Design,
has
has
done
some
back
of
the
napkin
calculations
and
has
figured
that
there's
about
1500
residential
units
that
have
entitlements.
They
have
gone
through
PCC.
They
have
gone
from
TRC,
they
have
gone
before
Council,
so
whether
it's
a
level
one
level
two
level
three
doesn't
discriminate,
but
there's
about
1500
units
that
haven't
been
built
and
when
I'm
looking
when
I
was
doing.
L
This
research
I
had
noticed
some
of
these
larger
Parcels
Pinecroft
77
Hansel
things
like
this.
Those
will
be
impacted,
but
aren't
represented
in
this
study.
So
while,
while
this
is
good
data,
while
this
is
useful,
as
Patrick
has
said,
it
is
I,
I
must
stress,
with
professional
Integrity,
that
this
is
a
snapshot
and
that
this
should
be
monitored
almost
continuously,
whether
that's
quarterly,
whether
that's
annually.
L
It's
really
once
you
get
all
all
the
right
pieces
in
place,
it's
a
very
easy
analysis
to
perform,
but
we
got
to
make
sure
we're
up
with
data
we're
up
with
building
Trends
and
we're
up
with
assessors
information
as
well.
So
that's
what
I
have
thank
you,
everyone
for
that,
and
that's
a
lot
of
information
and
not
a
lot
of
time.
So
I'd
be
happy
to
answer
any
questions
that
you
may
have.
E
L
L
G
The
only
way
I
can
look
at
this
is
when
I
asked
for
what
what
our
total
percentage
on
a
on
a
site
is
being
removed
and
what
we
are
saving,
so
that
I
can
get
a
a
real-time
picture
of
what's
going
on
right
now,
but
that's
not
always
in
the
RS
and
RM
you
know,
and
then
we've
got
the
lovely
CZ
issue.
You
know
that
throws
everything
and
data
wise.
Thank
you
for
doing
all
that.
If
I
could
understand
it,
I'm
sure
I
could
use
it
somewhere.
L
Yeah
and
I
did
just
go
ahead
and
post
that
a
specific
spreadsheet
in
the
chat.
We
can
find
a
way
to
make
sure
that
this
is
also
publicly
available
and
hosted
in
the
right
place.
Again.
I
was
not
totally
sure
on
the
context.
This
is
just
information,
Chris
had
asked
for,
and
then
I
was
asked
to
speak.
So,
yes,
we
can
get
that
that
is,
and
yes,
you
have
hinted
at
the
larger
challenges.
L
E
J
Yes-
and
this
might
express
my
ignorance
I,
thank
you
for
doing
the
study
in
some
of
the
analysis
I've
seen
put
out
by
other
people,
there's
a
statement
that
the
combined
tree
canopy
on
RS
and
RM
Zone
vacant
Lots
adds
up
to
about
54
or
over
half
of
Asheville's
total
pre-canopy
I,
don't
see
how
that
follows
from
your
analysis.
L
And
that's
yeah
I.
Would
you
know
everyone
cites
a
data
study
and
it's
not
to
say
that
they're
wrong
or
that
it's
just
it's
done
differently
right.
So
that's
like
math
class.
How
you
do
your
work
matters
just
as
much,
if
not
more
than
the
end
result
anytime,
you're
doing
any
sort
of
geospatial
analysis.
So
I
can't
I
can't
speak
to
that
without
seeing
any
sort
of
methodology
right.
J
And
I,
don't
think
that
was
your
methodology
was
used
to
to
get
that
third
statement
from
what
you
got
about
tree
canopy
currently
covers
49.2
pers
to
one
percent
average
in
the
vacant.
Lots
of
that's
what
I
understand
your
analysis
to
say
so
that
that
statement
that
follows
is
a
little
bit
I'm,
not
going
to
say
incendiary,
but
I,
don't
think
it's
truthful
and
I
think
we
need
to
avoid
having
that
go
out.
J
Was
from
an
email
sent
by
somebody,
okay
else
and
I
just
questioned,
you
know
passing
that
along
to
the
public
is.
Q
E
So,
to
be
clear,
I
don't
know
that
you
can
compare
adequately
the
data
that
Sam
has
put
together
with
the
data
from
the
Davie
Resource
Group
and
as
Sam
suggested,
he
didn't
have
the
benefit
of
knowing
what
methodology
that
the
daily
Resource
Group
used
in
their
tree
canopy
study.
E
L
Yes
and
I
will
go
one
further
and
I'll
say
that
I
do
know
that
the
Davies
group
did
include
everything
within
Asheville's
jurisdiction,
which
again
includes
rivers
that
includes
Federal
interstates,
State
highways.
Things
like
that,
where
that's
not
partialized
and
that's
not
so
I
mean
immediately
we're
it's
not
comparing
Apples
to
Apples,
because
I'm
working
with
almost
eight
square
miles
less
for
that
overall
calculation
and
anytime,
you
change
the
denominator.
Those
numbers
are
going
to
look
different
and
again
that's
not
to
say
that
they're
wrong.
There's,
there's
different
ways
to
view
this.
L
I
Dead
yeah,
I
think
Sam
just
answered
the
question.
Davey
Resource
Group
did
use
rivers
and
you
know
open
bodies
of
water
and
things
like
that
in
their
calculus
they
used
nape
imagery
too
and
I.
Don't
know
what
source
of
your
data
is
from,
but
even
when
you're
comparing
you
know,
Satellite
versus
nape,
you
know
it's
apples
and
oranges.
So
it's
what
you
get
different
sources.
Different
data.
L
Yeah
and
this
you
know
they're
in
my
experience
as
someone
who
was
taught
statistics
for
planners
at
the
University
of
Colorado,
who
who
is
well
versed
in
in
data
methodology.
I
will
say
this
if
this
underscores
anything
it.
It
is
not
necessarily
about
the
tree
canopy
itself.
It's
that
to
make
sure
that
we
have
adequate
resources
to
track
and
monitor
these
things,
because
there's
there
are
many
ways
to
go
about
this,
but
the
the
important
thing
is
that
we
have
all
the
tools
available
at
our
hands
to
be
able
to
do
it.
L
However,
we
need
to-
and
this
was
this
was
very
limited
again-
it's
we
were
frankly
lucky
to
be
able
to
use
all
the
information
only
because
I
have
access
to
to
some
of
the
emergency
response
servers
and
data
from
montgom
County
I'm,
not
sure
if
this
is
done
on
publicly
available
data
that
looks
different,
so
there's
aerial
shoots,
doing
it
in
winter,
doing
it
in
Spring
finding
canopy.
You
know
this
is
much
to
everyone's
dismay.
I
should
spend
a
lot
of
public
money
on
on
just
GIS
resources.
L
Just
for
this
and
that's
not
to
say,
we
should
get
everything
on
the
wish
list,
but
it's
worth
considering.
E
E
Tomorrow,
at
the
plan
and
Zoning
commission
meeting,
the
commission
members
are
going
to
take
up
a
proposal
before
then
that's
being
pushed
by
like
pronounce
his
name
wrong.
Berry
Bialik,
who
I
believe
is
a
former
chair
of
the
affordable
housing
advisory
committee
and
the
owner
of
compact
housing,
and
he
is
pushing
two
changes
to
the
Ordinance.
E
One
relates
to
flag
Lots,
which
I,
don't
think
is
going
to
impact
us
or
the
tree
canopy,
necessarily
because
it
would
I
think
allow
for
more
opportunities
for
a
single
family
construction
and,
of
course,
the
tree.
Catholic
preservation
ordinance
by
state
law
does
not
apply
to
single-family
obstruction.
E
However,
the
other
proposal
that
is
the
before
the
planning
zoning
commission
has
to
do
with
changes
in
the
cottage
cluster
regulations,
and
here
the
proposal
is
to
reduce
the
minimum
number
of
individual
Cottage
units
from
five
to
two,
and
the
question
here
is:
would
the
tree
canopy
preservation
ordinance
apply
to
zoning
areas
that
provide
Cottage
clusters
because
it
is
more
than
two
dwelling
units?
E
Or
would
this
change
mean
then
that
the
the
whatever
is
built
on
in
cottage
cluster
zones,
for
example,
duplexes,
would
not
affect
the
tree?
Canopy
preservation
ordinance
so
vanilla,
if
you're
still
on
there?
Can
you
address
that
specification?
E
R
I'll
spot
speak
to
both
these
really
quickly.
I
dropped
in
the
chat,
a
link
to
the
staff
report.
On
the
request
for
these
amendments,
I'll
say
that
staff
is
concerned
about
both
of
them.
We've
basically
prepared
a
report
that
requests
the
continuance
of
that
that
the
issues
be
continued
until
at
least
after
the
missing
middle
housing
study
has
been
completed
and
that
the
public
has
had
a
chance
to
review
the
recommendations
and
then
to
even
review
and
consider
any
possible
impacts
to
to
Udo
changes.
R
R
It's
a
relatively
minor
sorry
I
turned
on
the
need,
but
for
a
second,
relatively
minor
adjustments
to
the
text
that
have
significant
impacts
to
the
city,
they're
suggesting
to
reduce
the
flag
lot:
minimum
width
from
20
feet
to
five
feet,
which
would
effectively
undermine
a
significant
part
of
our
subdivision,
ordinance,
making
making
much
more
land
developable
in
a
in
a
disorganized
pattern
and
it's
promoting
single-family
development,
whereas
at
the
same
at
this
time
we're
in
the
middle
of
the
missing
middle
housing.
R
Study
and
we're
trying
to
look
at
possible
other
types
of
housing
units
to
promote
so
that
we
get
a
are
able
to
create
regulations
that
provide
different
types
of
housing
that
have
different
price
points.
Right,
single-family
housing
is,
is
typically
more
expensive
just
because
there
are
fewer,
you
have
one
unit
versus
a
Triplex
and
you
have
three
units
in
the
same
property.
R
Those
units
cover
more
ground
and
tend
to
be
less
expensive.
So,
as
far
as
the
cottage
developments,
a
key
change
that
is
being
recommended
is-
and
this
tell
me
if
there's
too
much
information
I
can
I
can
be
quiet,
they're
recommending
reducing
the
minimum
number
of
cottages.
R
Currently,
the
idea
is
having
a
cottage
cluster,
with
five
to
twelve
units
or
five
to
Fifteen
units
they're,
suggesting
the
minimum
be
reduced
to
two,
and
what
that
does
is
effectively
allows
for
two
units
in
RS
districts
so
effectively
it's
kind
of
a
a
backdoor
way
of
allowing
multiple
units
in
RS8
zones
which
which
permit
College
developments
so
I'll,
be
presenting
on
this
and
making
the
case
for
why.
We
we
think
we
should
not
be
moving
these
amendments
forward.
R
It
is
certainly
being
couched
as
a
way
to
provide
more
housing
when
there's
a
need,
and
there
is
a
need
for
housing.
We
do
not
deny
that.
That's
why
we
are
spending
a
hundred
and
fifteen
thousand
dollars
of
of
your
money
to
to
to
really
understand
what
we
should
do
and
how
we
should
move
forward,
but
I
think
it's
important
that
we
do
it
within
the
community
context.
R
The
community
process,
where
the
community
is
engaged
in
an
understanding
of
what
those
impacts
will
be
rather
than
with
no
public
input
and
with
with
changes
that
are
somewhat
uncertain.
Some
are
clearly
negative,
but
there
are
many
uncertain,
uncertain
possible
outcomes
that
would
result
from
The
Proposal
from
the
proposed
changes.
E
So
I
think
the
question
or
the
issue
for
us
is:
does
the
tree?
Canopy
preservation
ordinance
apply
to
Cottage
cluster
development,
and,
if
so,
if
this
requested
change
were
to
go
through,
would
that
mean
that
the
tree
canopy
preservation
ordinance
would
not
apply
to
Cottage
clusters
or
to
any
development
in
a
cottage
cluster
zone
of
two
units
or
less
well?.
R
Let
me
say
one
other
thing:
Patrick,
because
that's
not
quite
accurate
on
by
in
the
proposal
to
minimize
flag
lots
to
five
feet
wide.
It
effectively
makes
any
large
property
much
easier
to
carve
up
with
tiny
fly
glots
to
develop
without
having
to
go
through
a
subdivision
ordinance
which
requires
Street,
Trees
and
Landscaping,
so
it
it
has
very
Broad
and
wide-ranging
possible
impacts
to
Trees
and
Landscaping.
R
That
I
think
we
don't
even
really
realize,
because
we
haven't
fully
been
able
to
do
a
lot
of
analysis
partially,
because
we've
been
pushing
that
we
think
we,
the
timing,
isn't
right
we're
in
the
middle
of
this
missing
middle
housing
study,
and
we
need
to
complete
that
before
pushing
through
something
that
doesn't
make
sense
to
spend
a
lot
of
Staff
time
on
right
now.
Q
G
R
The
quality
development
standard
is
permitted
in
in
rs-8,
as
well
as
in
all
the
multi-family
districts,
and
it
has
other
language.
You
know
the
intent
of
a
cottage
cluster
is
small.
Cottages
shared
around
a
a
open
space,
a
green
space.
R
R
It
allows
you
to
have
a
front
house
and
a
back
house
in
RS8
that
you
can't
do
today
today
in
RSA
you
can
have
a
an
Adu
in
the
back,
but
it's
subordinate,
it's
smaller,
and
so
that
fits
in
to
the
scale
of
the
neighborhood
and
that's
what
we're
going
to
argue.
Whereas
if,
if
this
change
goes
through,
you
could
have
two
similar
sized
homes.
The
cottage
development
actually
still
limits
the
the
home
to
1400
square
feet,
but
you
would
be
able
to
have
that
in
the
backyard
as
well.
G
Right
and
the
reason
I
asked
is
that
719
basically
says
residential
subdivision
or
commercial
development.
So
that's
why
I
was
asking
why
that
would
affect
us
in
719,
but
I
do
know
from
sitting
on
TRC
that
there's
a
whole
lot
of
stuff.
That
comes
our
way
that
doesn't
fall
in
to
a
particular
ordinance.
The
719
will
apply
to.
G
So
that's
why
I
was
trying
to
figure
out
why
this
Cottage
development
would
would
be
impacted
with
residential
subdivision.
R
With
tree
gapping.
R
It's
yeah,
that's
right,
you
know,
I
would
have
to
I'd
have
to
look
back
at
the
tree,
canopy
preservation
to
see
what
the
real
triggers
are.
You
know
it
says
something
I'm
looking
at
now
shall
apply
to
multi-family,
residential
and
non-residential
right.
P
R
Says
any
any
major
or
minor
subdivision
of
land
should
comply
with
the
tree.
Canopy
preservation,
so
yeah
yeah
I
think
it
would
apply.
It
would
be
impacted.
E
Any
other
questions
or
comments
for
vanilla,
so
since
the
pnz
meeting
is
tomorrow,
there's
not
much
time
to
react
to
this.
E
E
Okay,
well,
we're
almost
done
also
under
old
business.
Just
to
remind
you,
yes,.
H
E
E
The
application
deadline
is
August.
The
24th
after
that
Zoe
and
I
will
be
getting
the
applications
and
we
will
review
them
and
then
make
a
recommendation
to
the
council's
boards
and
commissions
committee
and
I
believe
the
city
council
will
take
up
these
recommendations
in
October.
E
So
you
have,
if
you
know,
of
anybody
who
wants
to
file
an
application
for
the
vacancy
they
have
23
days
left
in
which
to
do
so.
G
E
E
The
chair
of
the
vice
chair
right
brought
back
a
recommendation
to
the
commission
to
discuss,
and
then
it
was
just
the
chair
and
the
vice
chair,
making
a
recommendation
directly
to
the
boards
and
commissions
committee
right
I'm
happy
to
follow
any
kind
of
procedure
that
the
commission
would
would
like.
So
we
have
an
established
procedure
for
every
vacancy
going
forward.
E
E
E
Then
I'll
take
it
ahead.
I
Yeah
sorry
I,
it
might
be
best
if,
if
maybe
you
all
bring
the
commission
the
top
two
or
three
choices,
and
then
we
have
a
discussion
around
that,
rather
than
review
everything.
It's.
E
Okay,
Zoe:
are
you
okay
with
that.
E
Well,
I
have
no
idea
because
the
application
deadline
isn't
over
yet
so
then,
Zoe
and
I
will
evaluate
the
applicants
and
if
there
are
several
that
we
think
are
just
top-notch
we'll
bring
those
back
to
the
commission
and
with
along
with
their
application
and
resume,
and
we
can
have
a
discussion
and
perhaps
recommend
make
a
recommendation
if
there's
a
person
that
is
just
way
above
someone
else,
we
might
just
bring
that
person
back
but
either
way
we
will
Circle
back
to
the
commission
for
some
kind
of
discussion
and
input.
G
You
know
a
little
bit
more
I,
don't
know
a
little
more
choices
to
discuss.
I.
O
G
Agree
with
Ed,
sometimes
we
get
nine
applicants,
you
know
and
and
some
of
the
applicants
reapply
from
the
past.
So
yeah
I
agree
that
waiting
through
nine
is
too
much
but
I.
Think
three,
maybe
or
I.
E
All
right,
well,
Zoe
and
I
will
make
that
determination.
It
will
at
least
bring
back
two
or
three
people.
E
E
Thank
you,
oh
does
anyone
have
any
other
old
business?
A
I
I
think
this
is
a
question
more
or
less
for
Greenworks,
but
I
heard
last
week
that
a
team
of
volunteers
working
with
I
think
Noah
were
driving
around
Asheville
with
sensors
to
determine
hot
spots
around
town
and
I
wondered
how
that
temperature
hot
spots
and
and
I
wondered
how
that
might
dovetail
with
the
work
we
engaged
in
with
Noah
and
I.
Think
NASA
a
couple
of
years
ago
to
find
the
places
in
town
that
were
heat,
Islands
I,
wonder
if
there's
any
coordination
there
I.
I
Yeah,
the
notice
that
Sarah
is
still
with
us,
so
I
might
ask
her
to
speak
to
this,
but
there's
an
article
in
today's
paper
about
the
heat
mapping
that
Greenworks
is
doing
and
they're
doing
it
under
the
auspices
of
Noah,
the
it's
a
little
bit
different
they're
doing
street
level
analysis,
whereas
the
heat
allium
analysis
that
was
done
four
years
ago
with
the
NASA
developed
team
was
really
more
taken
from
existing
data.
I
That
was
probably
satellite-based
data.
So
this
is
real
ground
level,
stuff
that
they're
doing
right
now,
and
it
should
be
a
pretty
interesting
analysis
once
they're
done
Sarah.
Do
you
have
anything
to
add
that
I
speak
correctly?
You.
P
Did
we
actually
finally
got
to
go
ahead?
Last
Monday,
so
we
completed
all
three
we
had
a
morning
afternoon
and
evening
shift
where
we
rode
around
in
pairs.
One
person
drove
one
person
navigated
and
we
had
the
sensor
and
it
took
the
data
at
the
street
level
of
I
think
it
was
nine
different
routes
three
times
that
day
and
we
submitted
all
the
data
and
we
got
the
approval
that
we
didn't
have
to
redo
anything.
So
so
that's
good.
P
It
kept
getting,
prolonged
and
and
rescheduled,
because
the
weather
has
to
be
like
Perfect
all
these
parameters
that
have
to
fall
into
place,
but
we
did
it
last
Monday
and
the
date
is
in
so.
A
P
Right
we
plan
on
when
we
get
the
data
analyzed
when
we
get
all
the
results
back,
that's
really
going
to
focus
and
steer
our
our
planning
and
our
planting
going
forward
thanks.
P
My
visit
on
the
9th,
so
that
looks
like
it's
it's
going
forward
according
to
plan.
E
That
has
to
do
with
the
planting
of
trees
in
the
community
yeah.
P
It
the
nursery
extension
yeah,
so
yeah
we're
gonna,
go
back
out
for
a
second
site
visit
and
start
to
get.
An
idea
of
you
know
the
irrigation
layout,
how
many
trees
the
first
year
and
you
know,
going
forward
what
we're
going
to
do
so
that
proposal
is
in
so
we
should
hear
back
pretty
soon
on
it.
P
E
Great,
thank
you
Sarah.
Thank
you,
Sarah
appreciate
it
all
right.
Well,
you
all
get
a
gold
star
for
endurance.
E
E
So
if
there's
no
other
or
anybody
who
objects,
then
I
will
call
this
meeting
adjourned.
Our
next
meeting
is
September
5th,
so,
tomorrow,
all
right.
Thank
you.
Everyone
goodbye
take
care
again.