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B
Good
morning,
I'm
vice
mayor,
shanika
smith
and
chair
of
public
safety
committee.
I'd
like
to
welcome
you
all
to
our
january
26th
meeting.
All
council,
members
and
staff
are
participating
virtually.
We
appreciate
your
patience
as
we
work
through
holding
these
meetings
a
bit
differently
to
help
our
audience
follow
along
I'll
state.
Each
section
of
the
agenda
allowed.
We
are
streaming,
live
on
our
virtual
engagement
hub,
which
is
accessible
through
the
virtual
engagement
hub
link
on
the
front
page
of
the
city
website.
B
B
855-925-2801
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use
the
meeting
code
9476,
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phone
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be
muted
and
you
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hear
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meeting
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hear
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Please
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3
will
allow
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continue
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listen,
live
and
join
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queue
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stated
on
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agenda.
Public
comment
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now
be
heard
at
the
beginning
and
end
of
our
public
safety
meeting.
Callers
may
comment
once
during
these
public
section
sessions
either
during
the
beginning
of
the
end,
but
not
both.
We
will
take
public
comment
for
30
minutes.
B
During
each
of
these
comment.
Periods,
callers
will
have
three
minutes.
Each
staff
will
inform
you
when
your
time
when
your
minutes
are
up,
we
will
be
taking
public
comment
after
counsel
and
staff
does
a
brief
introduction.
So
if
you
would
like
to
make
a
comment,
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you
are
watching
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B
Okay
I'll
now
go
through
and
introduce
all
committee
members
and
staff
who
are
participating.
Virtually
please
make
sure
to
keep
your
microphone
muted.
If
you
are
not
speaking
counselor
staff,
as
I
call
your
name,
please
give
a
quick
hello,
councilwoman
sandra
kilgore,
hi,
councilwoman
kim
rohney
good
morning,
city
manager,
deborah
campbell
good
morning,
city
attorney,
brad,
ranum,.
B
Okay,
great
we're
all
here,
as
I
mentioned,
we'll
start
the
meeting
off
with
public
comment.
So
I
believe
we
have
people
in
the
speaker
queue.
So
staff
will
manage
the
live.
Speaker
queue
if
you
have.
If
you
are
commented
through
the
live
speaker
cube,
please
state
your
name
and
where
you
reside.
You
have
three
minutes
to
comment
and
we'll
hold
this
public
comment
section
for
30
minutes
staff.
A
All
right,
we
have
two
callers
in
there
right
now
and
I'll
bring
the
first
one.
In
now,.
B
A
Caller
ending
in
one
one,
four:
nine,
your
line
is
open.
G
I'm
sorry,
I
thought
that
mr
freeman
was
first.
This
is
michael
salyers,
I'm
a
retired
family
physician,
a
practicing
public
health,
professional
and
a
kennel
worth
resident
for
38
years,
and
I'd
like
to
say
good
morning
to
vice
mayor
smith,
councilwoman,
rony
and
kilgore
city
manager,
campbell
and
staff,
and
thank
you
for
the
opportunity
to
speak,
I'm
here
to
talk
with
mr
freeman
about
the
proposed
noise
ordinance.
G
Some
of
you
are
aware
that
we've
been
fighting
untenable
residential
noise
in
counterwork
for
over
four
years
now
my
neighbors
and
I
are
not
sound
scientists,
but
we
worked
hard
to
learn.
The
following.
One:
noise
is
dangerous
to
our
health.
Residential
noise
is
not
just
a
subjective
annoyance.
The
u.s
epa
has
written.
Noise
can
cause
countless
adverse
health
effects,
and
many
researchers
over
decades
have
demonstrated
thoroughly
that
excessive
noise
exposure
shortens
lives
by
causing
or
contributing
to
diabetes,
hypertension,
obesity,
cardiovascular
disease,
sleep
disturbance,
depression,
stress,
hearing
loss
and
even
children's
cognitive
impairment.
G
Thus,
noise
is
a
massive,
yet
underemphasized
public
health
issue,
especially
in
urban
areas.
Two
noise
is
an
equity
and
social
justice
issue.
Persons
in
poverty
and
vulnerable
groups
often
can't
choose
where
they
live
or
how
their
dwelling
is
constructed.
They're
doubly
victimized
by
noise
exposure,
the
noise
pollution
plus
their
inability
to
defend
against
it.
In
addition,
noise
exposure
magnifies
the
risk
of
chronic
disease
mitigation
of
noise
in
the
proposed
ordinance
is
potentially
inequitable
first,
putting
the
appeals
process
in
the
hands
of
one
person.
G
The
development
services
director
removes
all
community
input
to
assure
equity
and
social
justice,
and
second
participation
in
mediation
is
voluntary.
So
if
one
party
refuses
the
courts
with
all
their
expenses
are
the
only
recourse
and
three
noises
equality
of
life
issue.
We
trust
our
elected
officials
to
respect
and
act
on
our
concerns
about
our
community's
health.
G
I
call
on
you
to
one
keep
and
improve
a
noise
board
to
retain
community
input
on
noise
disputes.
Two
use
the
science
sound
science
matters
so
use
decibel
leq
and
other
measurements
accurately
and
appropriately
for
a
given
situation.
Please
use
our
white
paper
noise
pollution
and
asphalt
the
invisible
thread
as
a
reference.
G
Three
reduce
nighttime
maximum
allowable
decibels
to
45
in
all
residential
areas
and,
most
importantly,
send
the
proposed
ordinance
back
to
staff
and
the
coalition
of
asheville
neighborhoods,
or
can
for
necessary
changes.
As
a
physician
and
public
health
professional,
I
ask
whether
it's
a
pandemic
or
the
chronic
of
health
effects
of
ambient
noise.
Do
we
really
need
to
continue
to
debate
the
necessity
of
good
policy
to
protect
the
community's
health?
I
thank
you
for
your
time.
B
H
Good
morning
I
am
rick
freeman
I
live
in
nashville.
I'm
president
of
the
coalition
of
asheville
neighborhoods
cannes
represents
over
20
neighborhood
groups
representing
thousands
of
residents
to
support
a
unified
voice
for
asheville
neighborhoods.
My
comments
build
upon
the
noise
white
paper
in
my
letter
of
january
23rd,
outlining
our
serious
concerns
with
the
draft
ordinance.
H
As
you
know,
for
two
years,
cannes
has
worked
collaboratively
with
city
staff
to
draft
a
new
ordinance
with
the
objective
of
protecting
the
health
of
asheville
residents,
while
preserving
the
vibrancy
of
this
crown
jewel
city
in
common
cause
with
city
staff.
We
work
tirelessly
to
draft
an
ordinance
based
on
extensive
research,
community
input,
public
health
and
national
public
noise
policy.
H
Despite
those
collaborative
efforts,
the
draft
ordinance
presented
to
you
today
fails
in
critical
areas
to
correct
these
failures.
The
draft
ordinance
must
recognize
noise
as
an
identified
environmental
toxin
that
damages
the
health
and
well-being
of
residential
communities
embrace
the
science
that
residential
tranquility
is
the
building
block
and
baseline
of
environmental
noise
policy.
H
Incorporate
the
established
science
of
noise
measurement
and
address
inequalities
in
environmental
social
justice
by
establishing
a
noise
control
board
can
respectfully
reminds
the
committee
that
residents
originally
brought
this
proposal
before
you.
We
realize
this
ordinance
presents
hard
choices
for
the
city
as
it
tries
to
strike
a
balance
between
commercial
and
residential
interests.
However,
we
are
dismayed
that
the
proposed
ordinance
lacks
any
sound
level
limits
to
protect
residential
districts.
H
We
will
continue
our
community
outreach.
We
will
meet
soon
with
the
asheville
music
professionals
leadership
to
reconcile
misperceptions
of
noise
mitigation.
We
are
also
requesting
a
meeting
with
apd
community
engagement
division,
leadership
to
explore
noise
enforcement
and
the
effective
use
of
noise
meters
to
objectively
document
violations.
H
H
Sound
limits
do
not
prohibit
music
in
venues,
bars
and
restaurants.
Limits.
Simply
require
sound
to
be
contained
within
buildings
rather
than
broadcast
to
neighbors.
Safe
limits
for
outdoor
venues
may
vary,
depending
on
circumstances
can
calls
on
the
committee
to
reject
this
draft
ordinance
until
residential
protections
are
restored.
H
B
Thank
you
to
our
callers,
okay,
we're
gonna
move
on
to
the
approval
of
minutes.
Can
I
get
a
motion
in
a
second
to
approve
the
minutes.
I
I
this
is
kim.
I
can
make
a
motion
to
approve
the
minutes.
I
I
do
have
some
questions
about
follow-up
in
the
minutes.
I
can
do
that
now
or
after
we
vote
to
approve
them
in
general.
I
One
of
the
questions
I
had
was
granted.
This
was
from
november,
so
this
is
my
first
meeting
since
then,
and
I
do
have
a
request
that
we
consider
hearing
the
report
from
the
racial
justice
coalition
that
was
offered
by
ben
scales
in
that
meeting,
and
I
was
wondering
if
there
has
been
any
follow-up
regarding
that
presentation.
Since
this
meeting.
J
I
When
reading
the
notes,
it
was
my
understanding
they
were
willing
to
give
a
presentation,
and
so
I
guess
I
could
I'll
just
formally
ask
that
we
hear
it
and
that
would
probably
require
following
up
with
them,
to
ask
if
they're
still
eligible
or
available
to
do
it.
I
know
they
were
speaking
on
behalf
of
some
folks
who
had
complaints.
C
Thank
you,
ms
campbell,
and
in
response
councilwoman
rooney.
I
can
tell
you
that
the
request
that
the
time
was
made
that
there
were
several
people
that
the
racial
justice
coalition
had
either
an
affiliation
with
or
had
been
in
contact
with,
who
wished
to
read
several
complaints
that
they
were
filing
regarding
excessive
use
of
force,
allegations
that
occurred
during
the
protests
here
in
asheville
during
the
summer.
C
At
that
point,
it
was
determined
that
the
proposed
presentation
would
not
be
placed
on
the
public
safety
agenda.
However,
each
of
those
members
actually
had
their
complaints
read
during
the
public
comment
section
of
the
following
public
safety
meeting.
I'm
not
sure
at
this
point.
If
they
still
are
requesting
any
additional
information,
I
can
tell
you
that
I
have
had
at
least
one,
if
not
two
meetings
with
the
racial
justice
coalition.
Mr
scales
included
virtually
since
that
meeting
to
further
discuss
a
variety
of
ongoing
issues
and
negotiations
that
we're
working
on
with
that
group.
B
J
B
Yes,
right,
councilwoman
rony,
I
and
myself,
I
I
get
mixed
up
on
that
item
like
yes,
I
it's
fine
and
myself.
I'm
minutes
have
been
approved.
We
will
now
hear
an
update
on
the
noise
ordinance
revision
process.
Public
comments
receives
on
the
draft
ordinance
and
recommended
next
steps.
Ben
woody
will
start
us
awfulness.
D
Thank
you,
madam
chair
and
other
members
of
the
public
safety
committee.
I
want
to
take
a,
I
mean
it's
going
to
be
a
whirlwind.
We
have
a
lot
of
information
to
share
and
I'm
going
to
do
it
relatively
quickly
and
just
before
I
get
started,
I
want
to
thank
claire
richardson
and
chris
collins,
who
are
on
the
line,
and
I
may
need
them
to
assist
with
questions
if
they
come
up.
D
D
D
I
know
madam
chair
you've
heard
some
of
this
background
before,
but
I
would
like
to
have
the
chance
to
also
share
that,
with
the
other
two
council
members
and
just
a
kind
of
refresher
for
everyone
going
to
talk
about
some
of
the
we
updated.
The
data
data
has
been
an
important
part
of
this
process
for
us
for
city
staff.
It's
really
interesting
to
share
that.
D
I'm
going
to
walk
you
through
the
ordinance
that
that's
not
going
to
be
as
bad
as
it
sounds,
but
I
think
it's
important
that
the
council
committee
understand
the
different
elements
of
the
ordinance
and
as
I
do,
that
I'll
give
some
of
the
feedback
that
accompanies
that
and
then
finally,
we're
going
to
share
some
next
steps
and
ask
for
direction
on
those
next
slide.
Please
and
you're
welcome
to
ask
me
a
question
at
any
point
again,
I'm
going
to
try
to
move
through
this
pretty
quickly,
so
we
actually
started
this
process.
D
In
about
march
of
2019,
we
spent
the
bulk
of
2019
trying
to
engage
with
residents
trying
to
analyze
data
call
data
different
things
like
that,
so
that
that
really
did
comprise
almost
close
to
a
full
year.
It
was
a
very
intensive
process
about
december
of
2019.
We
went
into
began
to
write
or
draft
this
ordinance
and
we
were
prepared
to
release
a
draft
ordinance
in
about
march
of
2020,
but
then
we
had
coveted-
and
it
didn't
seem
like
an
appropriate
time
to
continue
moving
that
forward.
D
So
we
ended
up
delaying
this
ordinance,
so
it
really
the
whole
process
kind
of
set
on
the
shelf,
so
to
speak
from
march
of
2020
to
about
november.
In
november,
we
decided
to
go
ahead
and
release
the
draft
ordinance
that
we'll
share
today
and
pick
this
process
back
up
again
next
slide.
So
we've
been
at
this
for
a
while.
D
I'm
not
going
to
read
this
slide
to
you,
but
it's
a
good
overview
of
kind
of
the
steps
that
we
took
to
try
to
understand
what
the
issues
were.
The
last
the
first
bullet
point:
you
see
the
880
public
comment
responses,
that's
what
we
received
at
the
end
of
2020
when
we
released
the
draft
ordinance,
so
even
that
got
a
pretty
robust
amount
of
feedback
and
I'll
cover
that
a
little
bit
as
we
go
through
this
presentation.
Next
slide,
please
here's
the
data.
You
know.
D
In
addition
to
the
public
engagement,
we
spent
a
lot
of
time
trying
to
collect
data.
Again,
I'm
not
going
to
read
all
these
data
points
to
you,
but
these
are
the
things
that
we
tried
to
use
to
begin
to
draft,
not
only
the
ordinance
but
the
program
that
you
know.
That
goes
with
the
ordinance,
and
so
what
I'll
tell
you
generally
is?
D
So
this
is
noise
complaint
data
from
2012
to
2018,
it's
about
seven
years
of
data,
and
you
can
see
that
50
of
all
noise
complaints
are
happening
when
it's
warm,
which
makes
sense.
40
of
all
noise
complaints
happen
on
friday
and
saturday
45
between
10
and
2,
and
then
the
busiest
time
is
from
11
p.m.
To
12
am
so
what
that
tells
you
is,
and
you
can
see
on
the
graphic
there's
a
box
that
kind
of
encapsulates
that
we
know
when
it's.
D
That's
a
really
challenging
time
period
because
you
know
that's
outside
of
normal
city
operating
hours
and
additionally,
and
I'm
sure
chief
zach
could
confirm
this,
but
that's
probably
when
apd
is
busiest
with
other
types
of
calls
as
well,
so
those
are
really
challenging
hours
to
try
to
figure
out
a
way
to
administer
this
program
next
slide.
D
Please,
then,
you
can
see
what's
really
interesting,
another
level
kind
of
more
granular
review
of
this.
Is
you
start
to
map
those
complaints
which
we
know
the
general
location
of
where
noise
complaints
happen,
and
you
can
see
the
darker,
the
darker
of
the
census
group,
the
more
complaints
that
we
have
there
so
again,
when
you
begin
to
think
about
how
do
I
program
resources
to
address
noise?
D
By
far-
and
I
mean
absolutely
by
far
the
majority
of
noise
complaints
number
one
we're
in
downtown,
which
makes
sense,
because
you
have
businesses
and
residents
that
live
together
and
then
number
two.
Those
noise
complaints
are
happening
in
apartment
complexes
and
public
housing
communities.
So
that's
a
distinction
that
is
residential
to
residential
noise.
So
that's
a
resident,
a
neighbor
making
noise
that
disrupts
another
neighbor
below
both
below
all.
That
is
the
next
level
of
noise
complaints
which
really
isn't
statistically
a
lot
in
the
in
the
overall
scheme
of
things.
D
So
that's
just
remarkable
how
those
the
number
of
complaints
were
only
a
difference
of
seven
between
those
two
years
and
then,
if
you,
if
you
kind
of
look
and
you
see
the
bold
numbers
in
these
bullet
points
for
the
2020
data
and
again
when
you
do
the
breakdown
about
times
and
things
of
that
now
even
locations,
it
all
really
is
very
consistent.
So,
even
in
2020,
the
way
that
noise
happens
and
where
it
happens
and
when
it
happens,
really
didn't
change
at
all.
D
D
And
just
kind
of
touching
back
to
the
engagement
and
even
the
data
as
well,
but
we
know
what
the
top
issues
are.
These
are
there's
other
noise
issues
that
don't
get
captured
here,
but
I
can
tell
you
that
these
are
the
eight
areas
of
noise
for
which
we
have
identified
as
issues
for
the
community.
Now
what's
difficult
is
trying
to
determine
what
is
the
best
course
of
action
to
address
each
of
these
top
noise
concerns
the
next
slide.
Please.
D
And
so
I'm
going
to
I'm
going
to
pause
after
this
slide,
because
I
think
next
we
get
into
the
ordinance
itself,
but
when
you're
looking
at
those
top
noise
concerns,
I
think
what
we're
trying
to
do
is
a
couple
of
things.
Number
one
is
we're
trying
to
create
an
ordinance.
We
want
to
have
an
ordinance
that
has
more
objective
measures
that
allows
the
city
to
successfully
enforce
noise
complaints
when
it's
time
for
the
city
to
do
that,
but
I
think
what
we
feel
strongly
about
is
there
needs
to
be
things
out
to
see.
D
If
we
look
at
this
as
more
of
a
program,
I
think
the
city
and
the
community
can
be
more
successful
with
this.
So
beyond
just
an
ordinance,
you
know,
there's
questions
about:
how
do
we
administer
these
these
ordinances
and
enforce
it?
One
thing
that
we
like
is
the
concept
of
a
good
neighbor
policy.
Other
places
use
this,
but
it's
kind
of
a
you
have
data
that
that
tells
you
where
noise
issues
are,
and
you
first
try
a
community-based
solution
before
you.
You
know,
begin
issuing
citations
or
other
kind
of
technical
enforcement
measures.
D
So
we
like
the
idea
of
trying
to
kind
of
change,
make
a
paradigm
shift
in
how
we
manage
these
community-based
issues.
One
thing,
that's
that's
come
out.
A
lot
is,
is
how
do
you
enforce
this
well
we'd
like
to
create
a
manual
that
lays
out
exactly
how
the
city
is
involved
when
it's
involved
and
how
the
city
helps
enforce
noise
complaints?
And,
finally,
you
know
pieces
of
this
that
I
think
are
important
that
you
don't
see
in
the
ordinance
is
education.
D
How
do
you
you
don't
know
what
you
don't
know
so
part
of
this
is
just
trying
to
educate
collaborate
with
with
affected
residents
and
business
owners,
better
notification,
better
access
to
information,
a
commitment
to
reviewing
this
noise
ordinance
continuing
to
track
data.
That's
a
lot
of
information,
but
I
would
want
to
leave
you
with
today
as
we
move
forward,
let's
think
about
it,
not
just
as
an
ordinance
but
as
a
program
to
address
this
quality
of
life
issue.
D
D
D
D
D
So
we're
going
to
start
with
kind
of
the
general
concept,
this
kind
of
the
big
overarching
the
way
this
ordinance
is
constructed,
and
basically
what
we
are
proposing
to
the
city
council
is
that
if
noise
originates
in
a
commercial
or
industrial
or
central
business,
zoning
district,
so
most
likely
a
business
or
an
institution
or
an
industry
that
is
subject
to
a
decibel
level.
So
if
you're,
a
noise
creator
and
you're
a
commercial
business,
you
have
an
objective
decimal
level
you
have
to
meet
in
a
perfect
world.
D
D
If
the
noise
is
originating
in
a
public
space,
a
residential
area,
then
that
is
going
to
be
subject
to
a
noise
disturbance
criteria.
Again,
that's
a
common
way
to
enforce
noise
ordinances
across
the
country.
We
actually
use
that
noise
disturbance
criteria
now
and
the
reason
that
is
is
we
felt
like
from
our
equity
analysis
and
just
in
terms
of
how
to
address
noise.
We
thought
when
noise
is
created
from
a
residential
scenario
and
it
impacts
another
resident.
D
That's
best
addressed
through
more
of
a
good
neighbor
policy
trying
to
engage
with
the
apartment
complex
in
this
case,
whatever
it
may
be,
trying
to
find
community-based
solutions
to
look
for
ways
to
have
neighbors
be
neighborly,
as
opposed
to
the
city
taking
noise
meters
and
trying
to
read
decimal
levels
from
one
neighbor
to
another.
Neighbor
and
again,
remember
the
bulk
of
calls.
The
majority
of
calls
that
we
respond
to
as
a
city
are
happening
in
apartment
complexes
in
public
housing
communities.
D
So
what
we're
proposing
in
those
situations
is
using
the
noise
disturbance
standard
where
basically
you're
trying
to
work
with
the
apartment
owner
and
the
residents
to
provide
a
better
noise
environment
for
and
improve
the
quality
of
life,
and
I
hope-
and
we
can
talk
about
this
more
as
we
as
we
move
through
this
presentation.
So
hopefully
that
makes
sense
next
slide.
Please.
D
So
remember:
when
the
noise
generates
from
a
commercial
district,
it
has
a
decibel
level,
so
we
have
established
decimal
levels
for
these
generally,
what
we
tried
to
do
was
look
at
other
cities.
We
did
some
measurements
ourself
and
try
to
find
some
decibel
levels
that
were
consistent
with
what
we
see
across
the
country,
but
also
creates
balance
and
allows
these
kind
of
vibrant
areas
to
be
able
to
have
activity
and
make
some
reasonable
level
of
noise
these
these
measurements.
You
know
what
we've
proposed
is
that
the
measurements
be
taken
where
the
noise
is
received.
D
You
know
decimal
level
as
you
move
away
from
the
source
of
noise,
some
of
the
feedback
we've
gotten
on
these
decibel
levels.
This
probably
will
not
surprise
you
for
the
mo.
You
heard
some
of
this
in
the
opening
comments.
The
residents
feel
like
these
are
far
too
high.
The
residents
would
rather
see
45
decibels
set
at
any
residential
property.
D
That
45
is
is
consistent
with
world
health
organization
recommendations
so
that
that's
where
they're
kind
of
getting
that
from
so
that's,
certainly
a
reasonable
recommendation,
of
course,
on
the
flip
side
of
that,
the
businesses
and
entertainment
venues
feel
like
these
decimal
levels
are
far
too
low.
So
we've
got
to
even
split
on
comments
that
these
are
too
low
versus
these
are
too
high.
The
other
piece
of
this
is
not
surprising
again,
as
you
look
at
the
times
as
you
get
to
10
p.m.
The
decimal
level
is
diminished.
D
You
want
to
get
quieter
as
the
night
moves
on
residents
think
the
times
are
too
late.
The
entertainment
venues
and
businesses
think
the
times
are
too
early.
So
again
we
got
a
pretty
50
50
split
on
on
what
the
times
are
again,
I
would
say,
I
think
the
times
are
pretty
consistent
with
other
municipalities
that
are
similarly
situated
as
asheville
next
slide.
Please.
D
This
is
the
noise
disturbance
standard,
so
you
remember.
I
had
mentioned
that
when
noise
originates
from
a
residential
area,
so
I
think
apartments
neighborhoods
things
like
that
when
the
city
responds
you
know,
these
are
the
factors
that
we
use
to
respond,
so
you
would
go
to
the
to
the
situation
and
you
would
assess.
Is
this
neighbor
creating
a
noise
disturbance?
D
So
you
know
if
you're
playing
your
music
wide
open
at
11
o'clock
at
night
and
your
windows
are
open.
That's
probably
a
noise
disturbance.
So
again,
this
is
a
common
way
that
noise
ordinances
are
enforced
and
I'll
say
this
one
more
time
the
bulk
of
noise
complaints
are
in
residential
multi-family
higher
density
situations.
D
Next
slide,
please
sound
measurement,
so
this
really
applies
to
the
noise
that's
generated
in
commercial
settings
because
remember
the
commercial
noise
generators
are
subject
to
the
decimal
levels.
All
this
is
saying
is
that
how
we
kind
of
take
the
city
will
take
noise
meters
out
there
and
take
these
measurements.
The
feedback
we've
gotten
on
this
is
for
the
most
part
that
you
know
there's.
I
think
everybody
would
like
to
see
maybe
a
little
more
detail
on
how
we
measure
sound.
D
One
nuance
to
this
I
want
to
say
is
that
we
are
proposing
to
use
a
weighting
dba.
That's
the
decibel
levels
that
are
most
synonymous
with
how
you
hear
sound
for
the
most
part
you
can
measure
decibels
in
dbc
c.
Is
a
measurement
type
that
captures
low
frequency
so
that
perhaps
would
do
a
better
job
of
capturing
like
low
frequency
or
more
bass?
Heavy
music,
that's
a
little
more
complex
to
measure
accurately.
So
we
are
not.
D
We
are
not
calling
for
any
special
or
unique
measurement
for
low
frequency,
sound
we're
just
using
dba
in
general
I
just
and
that
that
is
something
that's
come
up
from
more
of
the
resident
side
of
things
wanting
to
see
a
more
accurate
measure
of
low
frequency.
But
again
that's
a
difficult
thing
to
measure
until
we
have
some
more
expertise
on
staff
next
slide.
Please.
D
Prohibitions
is
pretty
consistent
with
a
lot
of
what
we
have
now
in
the
ordinance
there's
just
certain
things.
So,
for
example,
we
hear
a
lot
about
loud
vehicle
noise.
We
have
an
ordinance
section
that
already
says
you
can't
operate
a
vehicle
with
a
non-functioner
or
absent
muffler,
we'll
continue
to
have
that
prohibition.
D
So
that's
really
that's
an
example
of
where
there's
there's
not
a
need
to
go,
take
a
decimal
measure
and
measure
a
vehicle
and,
first
of
all,
I'm
not
sure
how
you
would
chase
the
vehicle
down
after
you
measured
it
with
the
decimal
level,
but
you
have
an
ability
to
enforce
non-functional
mufflers
and
things
like
that.
Other
things
I
want
to
point
out
to
you
in
here
is
trash
service.
That's
a
difficult
thing.
D
We've
tweaked
the
times
a
little
bit
in
that,
so
you
can
see
in
residential
areas
we're
asking
the
trash
providers
to
not
operate
before
7
a.m,
and
they've
been
pretty
open
to
that.
We
spent
a
lot
of
time
meeting
with
the
service
providers
in
the
downtown
area,
we're
asking
them
not
to
operate
before
5
a.m.
D
There
is
some
concern
about
that
5
a.m.
Hour.
I
will
tell
you
the
challenge
with
downtown.
Is
it's
very
dangerous
to
operate
trash
service,
and
so
those
providers
want
to
get
in
and
out
before
the
city
kind
of
wakes
up?
So
what
we
found
related
to
that
is,
if
there
is
service
happening,
say
between
five
and
six
for
the
most
part,
the
providers
they
don't
wanna,
if,
if
possible,
they
don't
want
to
disrupt
people
that
are
sleeping.
D
So
we've
found
some
success
and
when
there's
an
instance
where
perhaps
they're
out
there
really
early,
if
you
contact
the
provider,
they
will
try
to
build
the
route
differently
to
be
better
neighbors.
So
there
is
some
wiggle
room
in
this
time,
but
I'm
afraid
I
would
be
afraid
if
we
set
trash
pick
up
downtown
to
not
begin
before
7
a.m.
I
don't
think
the
service
could
be
provided
so
that's
another
example
of
kind
of
a
tricky
area
that
has
some
kind
of
mixed
opinions
on
it.
Next
slide.
D
Please-
and
I
know
this
is
a
lot
of
information
for
the
for
the
committee
and
I'm
sorry
to
move
so
fast,
but
construction
noise
is
pretty
similar.
We
maintain
the
hours
monday
through
saturday,
7
8
a.m
to
7
p.m.
That's
what's
on
the
books
now
we're
proposing
to
keep
those
hours
where
we
did
make.
Some
changes
is
to
have
a
little
more.
D
Process
and
a
little
more
specifics
around
the
after
hours
permit,
you
can
work
outside
of
those
hours
because
you
can
do
concrete
pours
late
at
night
and
things
like
that.
We're
proposing
a
community
notice
for
that.
So
you'll
know
ahead
of
time.
If,
if
your
neighboring
construction
project
is
going
to
do
a
midnight
concrete
pour
which
is
necessary
at
times,
we've
we've,
given
the
chief
building
official
the
ability
to
to
require
noise
mitigation
measure
measures,
increase
fines,
the
ability
to
do
stock
work
orders.
D
D
Music
venues
permits
have
gotten
a
lot
of
feedback
for
us
from
both
residents
and
entertainment
venues,
as
you
would
imagine,
the
thought
process
behind
this
was
if
you're
a
venue
that
has
music
live
music
more
than
six
times
a
year.
We
were
going
to
ask
you
to
get
a
permit,
of
course.
There's
venues
that
have
music
a
lot
more
than
that,
but
the
idea
of
the
permit
was
is
basically
you
had
register
the
online.
You
would
register
with
the
city,
so
we
would
know
that
you're
a
place
that
hosts
music
multiple
times
a
year.
D
The
city
would
then
have
your
contact
information.
Your
owner
information
we'll
also
have
the
opportunity
to
give
the
venue
the
rules,
so
they
can
understand
what
they
can
and
can't
do
so
that
permit
was
really
not
intended
to
be
a
way
to
collect
any
additional
fees
or
revenue
or
to
create
any
red
tape.
It's
perceived
that
way.
D
The
thought
process
was
was
just
an
opportunity
to
share
information
exchange
information
with
with
venues,
because
again,
when
you
have
commercial
sound,
that's
creating
issues
for
neighborhoods,
it
tends
to
be
places
that
have
music.
That
tends
to
be
a
common
denominator
when
that
does
happen.
So
again,
the
permit
was
a
way
to
try
to
exchange
information
and
then
have
a
way
to
enforce.
D
The
intent
of
these
permits
is
to
is
to
create
you
know
a
way
to
dialogue
and
work
through
issues
and
to
give
a
music
venue
or
an
entertainment
venue
a
chance
to
to
mitigate
their
issues,
but
if
they
won't
and
there's
some
that,
don't
you
have
a
enforcement
tool,
so
this
may
need
some
conversation
about
what
extent
we
require
permits
to
this
level.
I
mean,
maybe
it's
more
of
a
registration,
I'm
not
sure
what
that
looks
like
next
slide.
Please.
G
D
Can
you
can
pretty
much
rest
assured
that
if
you
have
an
outdoor
concert,
that's
not
acoustic,
so
anything
that's
amplified
and
outdoors,
it
is
probably
going
to
exceed
any
decibel
levels
that
we
put
in
place.
There's
really
no
doubt
about
that.
We
have
a
lot
of
outdoor
music
in
asheville.
For
sure
this
sound
exceedance.
D
Permit
was
a
way
to
allow
businesses
or
entities
to
have
outdoor
shows
that
again
are
probably
going
to
exceed
the
decibel
levels,
but
allow
them
to
do
that
a
certain
number
of
times
a
year
and
as
part
of
that
process,
they
would
be
subject
to
hours
of
operation
to
public
notice
requirements.
So
if
the
brewery
down
the
street
is
going
to
have
an
outdoor
show,
then
you
would
get
noticed
of
that
as
a
neighbor.
So
you'll
know
this
saturday
they're
going
to
have
an
outdoor
concert
from
7
00
p.m,
to
10
p.m.
D
D
If
you
want
to
do
an
outdoor
concert
in
asheville,
you
can
get
a
temporary
use
permit
and
again,
there's
no
decibel
levels
that
apply,
so
you
can
effectively
do
as
really
as
many
outdoor
concerts
as
you
want
to,
provided
you
don't
create
a
noise
disturbance,
so
we're
proposing
to
kind
of
limit
that
put
some
parameters
around
the
times
the
hours
and
the
number
of
concerts
that
are
outdoor
and
ask
for
a
person
to
get
a
permit.
So
this
is
a
pretty
big
change
in
terms
of
what
we're
allowing
in
asheville
for
outdoor
shows.
D
But
of
course,
you
know,
I
think,
there's
some
concern
from
neighborhoods
that
this
is
maybe
too
generous
and
then
again
there's
some
concerns
from
the
entertainment
venues
that
this
is
too
restrictive.
So
this
is
another
one.
We're
kind
of
kind
of
stuck
in
the
middle
of
those
two
perspectives
next
slide.
Please.
D
These
are
the
last
pieces,
I
think,
there's
one
more
piece
after
this
but
violations.
You
know
what
we've
what
we've
done
is
we've
clarified
that
when
there's
a
violation
of
the
noise
ordinance,
we
can
hold
the
noise
producer,
you
know
we
can
hold
them
responsible.
D
That
can
be
the
person
that
creates
the
noise
or
that
can
be
the
owner.
So
what
this
does?
One
thought
is:
if
you've
got
a
tenant
that
continues
to
make
noise
concerns,
you
can
try
to
address
that
with
the
tenant.
If
that's
not
working,
you
have
the
opportunity
to
then
move
and
try
to
address
this
with
the
owner.
D
D
The
other
thing
we've
done
is:
we've
increased
the
civil
citations
again
these
escalate,
and
we
don't
want
to
be
heavy-handed
with
these,
and
this
our
enforcement
manual
will
kind
of
lay
out
how
you
get
to
civil
citations
again,
we're
not
we're
not
trying
to
walk
out,
and
if
somebody
issue
somebody
a
hundred
dollar
citation
on
their
first
violation
that
they
didn't
even
know
they
were
violating
anything.
Then
the
other
piece
is:
we've
built
some
permanent
processes
in
this
to
use
as
another
tool
to
enforce
the
ordinance
next
slide.
Please
appeals.
D
You
heard
a
lot
a
lot
of
this
conversation
right
now.
There's
a
noise
appeals
board
in
place.
That
board
is
responsible
for
hearing
if
an
apd
officer
issues
a
citation
the
person
that
receives
that
can
appeal
that
to
the
noise
appeals
board,
if
an
apd
officer
does
not
issue
a
citation
and
the
complainant
wants
to
appeal
that
to
the
noise
appeals
board,
they
can't
as
well
so
what
this
board
does
currently
is.
It
allows
them
to
hear
appeals
of
citations
or
to
hear
complaints.
D
D
You
know,
obviously
I'm
not
too.
I
don't
I'm
not
looking
to
be
the
person
that
hears
all
the
appeals
for
noise,
but
that's
certainly
you
know
we
have
to
give
people,
you
know
their
due
process
and
so
again,
some
of
the
concerns
you
heard
in
the
public
comment
was
not
is
maintaining
some
sort
of
citizen
based
appeals
board
that
perhaps
can
hear
these
difficult
decisions
outside
of
the
development
services
director
next
slide.
Please
I'm
almost
done.
I
know
this
is
so
much
information,
three
things
that
I
don't
think
that
were
on
that
remember.
D
I
showed
you
a
list
of
kind
of
some
of
the
top
issues.
These
weren't
obvious
in
the
slides
I
just
went
through,
but
fireworks
much
bigger
issue
than
I
thought
it
would
be,
but
we're
proposing
that
fireworks
that
go
after
10
pm
or
fireworks
in
general
would
need
the
sound
exceedance
permit,
because
fireworks
do
exceed
decimal
levels.
D
We've
been
working
with
mccormick
for
the
tourists,
the
baseball
team
to
make
sure
that
we
don't
create
a
situation
where
they
can't
do
fireworks,
so
we're
trying
to
find
a
way
with
them
to
limit
the
number
of
fireworks
and
times,
but
also
be
respectful
of
the
neighbors.
So
we're
kind
of
working
through
how
those
fireworks
would
happen
and
but
right
now,
they're
proposed
to
be
subject
to
that
sound
exceedance.
Permit
busking.
We
get
this
a
lot.
D
If
you
remember,
if
the,
if
the
sound
originates
in
residential
property,
right-of-ways
or
public
space
is
subject
to
a
noise
disturbance
standard,
so
buskers
would
have
to
meet
the
noise
disturbance
standard,
not
a
decibel
level.
So
again
that
involves
a
staff
person
going
out
there
looking
at
the
busker
and
determining
if
it's
creating
a
noise
disturbance
or
not
and
then
finally,
animal
noise
comes
up
a
lot.
There's
actually
already
a
section
of
the
of
the
ordinance
in
the
animal
control
ordinance
that
addresses
noise.
D
So
there's
we
think
there's
already
a
tool
in
place
to
manage
that.
So
that's
why
you
didn't
see
that
in
the
noise
ordinance,
because
it
already
exists
next
slide,
please
an
animal
noise
creates
it's
actually
not
as
much
as
you
think
it
would
be.
It's
about
three
percent
of
the
calls
that
come
to
animal
control.
E
And
then
just
one
point
to
clarify,
as
proposed
fireworks
would
be
allowed
during
federal
holidays
and
then
outside
of
that,
the
proposal
is
required
on
exceedance.
D
Correct
so
everybody
gets
to
have
fun
on
4th
of
july,
but
on
those
fridays,
those
kind
of
fridays
through
the
season
they
would
need
a
permit.
So
everybody
asked
you
know
where'd.
You
come
up
with
this
stuff
from
so
a
lot
of
it.
We
tried
to
base
on
community
engagement,
tried
to
find
balance.
We
promised
we
would
do
that.
We
tried
to
be
equitable.
D
We
tried
to
think
of
the
best
way
to
work
with
the
community
to
solve
noise
issues,
and
then,
outside
of
that,
you
know,
we
looked
at
cdc
recommendations
in
terms
of
hearing
exposure
when
hearing
you
know
when
noise
can
damage
your
hearing.
We
looked
at
the
world
health
organization.
They've
got
good
information
about
the
public
health
impacts
of
noise,
that
that
is
absolutely
an
issue,
and
then
we
tried
to
look
at
other
cities.
We
tried
to
pick
cities
that
we
thought
were
vibrant
but
also
were
places
that
people
moved
to
again.
B
One
thing
ben,
I
I
agree
with
you.
The
only
thing
that
I
could
not
match
up
was
our
curfew.
I've
been
to
new
orleans
a
couple
of
times
in
charlotte
and
raleigh.
That
cutoff
time
seems
a
little
early
for
me
for
any
downtown
venue,
or
just
any
music
venue
across
the
city
is.
Is
that
comparable
to
the
cities
that
you
have
here?
Yeah.
D
That's
a
really
that's
a
really
good
comment
and
you've
definitely
been
digging
into
this.
No,
I
would
actually
say
again,
I
think
it's
comparable,
but
I
would
say
that
asheville
is
we're
ending
things
earlier.
I
I
think
that
you're
right
about
that
and
again
that
was
trying
to
find
a
balance.
D
I
think,
having
events
loud
events
remember
you
can
always
you
can
do
your
event
every
day
as
long
as
you
want
to
it's
just
a
matter
of
when
you
can,
when
your
sound
can
leave
your
event
and
impact
other
people,
so
I
think,
having
a
10
o'clock
kind
of
night
night
time
so
to
speak,
is
probably
pretty
consistent
for
weekdays,
but
you're
right,
councilman
smith.
I
think
a
lot
of
times
these
places
on
weekends.
D
They
will
push
that
that
they'll
push
that
kind
of
daytime
out
to
11
and
I've
even
seen
places
like
lincoln,
that
pushed
it
out
to
midnight.
So
there
is
some
room
maybe
to
to
discuss
looking
at
weekends,
a
little
differently.
I
I
D
B
D
Yeah
good
good
question:
we
almost
never
get
business
to
business
complaints,
that's
very,
very
rare.
We
get
it.
Sometimes
it
tends
to
be
residents
complaining
about
businesses.
You
know
it's
it's!
I
guess,
if
you
think
about
west
asheville,
think
about
haywood,
that's
kind
of
that's
kind
of
a
hot
corridor,
because
you've
got
houses
that
back
up
directly
to
businesses.
You
know
and
that's
the
thing
about
asheville
we're
kind
of
a
you
know.
Because
of
our
topography.
D
We
kind
of
our
commercial
develops
down
corridors
and
we
have
almost
always
residential
that
butts
right
up
to
it.
So
we
tend
to
get
those
residents
that
submit
but
again
and
then
downtown.
We
have
mixed
use
area
anytime,
you
put
density
near
commercial,
mixed
use,
there's
lots
of
noise
complaints
and
that's
a
really
difficult
kind
of
crossroads,
because
you
want
your
downtown
to
be
vibrant,
but
you
also
want
to
protect
residents
reasonably
protect
their
quality
of
life.
So,
but
again
I
just
I
just
want
to
remind
you.
D
Multi-Family
multi-family
multi-family,
that's
a
good
clarification
deborah
and
I
want
to.
Let
me
just
let
me
just
real
quickly
so
in
in
20
2012
to
2020.
If
we
look
at
all
the
noise
complaints,
if
you
take
the
top
25,
I
think
every
one
of
those
is
a
situation
now,
just
think
about
that.
D
That's
the
top
25
there's
a
couple:
outliers
there's
always
one
or
two
businesses
that'll
come
in
from
year
to
year,
but
those
are
residents
calling
to
complain
about
noise
being
created
from
other
residents
and
as
an
example,
you
know
the
number
one,
the
number
one
so
from
2012
to
2020.
We
got
almost
600
noise
complaints
in
pesky
view
apartments.
D
So
again,
that's
just
the
bulk
of
these
issues,
where
the
real
challenge
lies
is
how
do
you
reduce?
How
do
we
reduce
the
noise
complaints
like
episcopus
apartments
as
an
example?
How
do
we
get
from
600
in
that
period
down
to
like
100
or
something
so?
The
complaints
of
residents
related
to
businesses
are
certainly
out
there
and
they
definitely
exist
and
there
are
chronic
chronic
noise
producers
that
are
businesses,
but
the
volume
of
that.
D
The
percentage
of
that
is
much
lower
than
what
we
see
from
residential
to
residential,
and
this
is
a
slide
that
shows
just
kind
of
this
is
in
the
presentation,
but
this
is
a
summary
of
just
kind
of
the
comments
we
got
on
the
ordinance
and
we'll
post
these
on
the
project
page
as
well,
and
I
tried
to
weave
these
in
as
we
were,
we
were
speaking
so
next
slide.
Please.
D
So
this
is
kind
of
where
we
landed
today
and
I'm
sorry.
This
took
so
long,
there's
just
so
much
information
to
cover
what
we're
proposing
what
we'd
like
to
get
some
feedback
on
number
one
is
we'll
take
feedback
on
any
elements
of
the
ordinance
that
you
think
we
need
to
take
a
look
at
or
any
additional
information
you
need,
but
it's
been
a
really
difficult
year
and
it
has
been.
It
still
is,
and
one
of
the
things
that
that
we
would
like
to
to
kind
of
understand
is:
we've
spent
a
lot
of
time.
D
So
the
idea
of
like
I
guess
the
council,
is
it
appropriate
to
get
the
ordinance
kind
of
ironed
out
as
best
we
can
have
it
adopted
it
and
then
have
it
become
effective
at
a
point
in
time
when
that
makes
sense
for
asheville
a
lot
of
opinions
on
when
that
is,
but
but
that
that
seems
reasonable,
given
kind
of
the
economic
issues
we're
facing
right
now,
we'd
like
to
to
move
forward
with
dsd
picking
up
more
of
the
enforcement,
we're
trying
to
manage
this
program
different
and
that's
part
of
the
equity
lens.
Is
you
know?
D
That's
the
true
metric
is
how
many
noise
complaints
we're
getting
so
we'd
like
to
go
ahead
and
move
forward
with
bringing
a
staff
person
on
that
can
have
some
expertise
in
this
be
much
smarter
than
I
am
about
noise
and
begin
to
work
on
this,
and
you
see
that
that
note
to
the
transition-
that's
underway
right
now
we're
working
with
apd
to
figure
that
out
and
then
finally,
we've
got
a
couple
of
follow-up
meetings
after
today,
we're
meeting
with
the
there's
a
housing
authority,
residence
council
that
we're
trying
to
meet
with,
and
so
we
want
to
have
a
conversation
with
them.
D
Because,
again,
that's
the
the
bulk
of
noise.
Complaints
are
happening
in
housing,
authority
properties
and
we've
talked
to
david
nash
and
tara
irby
extensively,
but
we're
trying
to
make
sure
that
this
ordinance
as
proposed
is
going
to
work
for
those
communities
and
then,
of
course,
we've
got
a
lot
of
residents
that
have
put
a
lot
of
effort
and
time
into
this.
We've
got
a
lot
of
entertainment
venues
that
are
really
concerns.
We've
set
up
a
meeting
that
staff's
facilitating
between
residents
and
entertainment
venues
actually
friday
of
this
week.
I
I
do
have
a
number
of
questions,
but
I
wanted
to
start
with
just
saying:
thank
you
to
ben
and
your
team.
I
really
appreciate
the
intention
the
way
that
you've
used
the
gear
tools
that
are
available
and
the
focus
on
staying
with
a
civil
penalty,
not
a
criminal,
because
we
have
the
two
comments
today
and
one
that
was
submitted
in
advance
in
writing.
I
What
are
the
current
changes
to
the
noise
ordinance
that
would
address
these
concerns
from
the
neighbors,
because
when
I
participated
as
a
neighbor
in
the
event
that
was
at
av
tech
with
the
different
neighbors
different
neighborhoods
at
different
tables,
it
seemed
like
the
neighbors
that
showed
up
to
the
table.
I
was
at
a
lot
of
their
reasons.
They
showed
up
with
concerns,
wouldn't
have
been
addressed.
I
A
little
more
right
there,
that's
that
screen,
so
construction
issues
we're
kind
of
getting
there,
but
when
you
have
ongoing
constant
construction
and
there's
going
to
be
constant
permits,
that's
one
of
the
concerns
I
was
hearing
from
some
neighbors
is
that
it
doesn't
seem
like
the
construction
is
ever
going
to
end
issues
with
vehicle
exhaust
fireworks.
I
guess
there's
gonna
be
a
new
seven
inning
stretch.
Definition,
that's
gonna
include
fireworks
because
you
never
know
how
long
the
game
baseball,
game's
gonna
go.
I
Dogs
and
animals
like
it
seemed
like
a
lot
of
the
folks
that
were
at
my
table
at
least
were
like
well.
Those
are
the
reasons
I
showed
up.
So,
if
we're
not
going
to
do
that,
why
wouldn't
we?
Why
would
we
change
it?.
D
Yeah,
I
got
you
good
question,
so
obviously
I'm
going
to
go
to
the
so
things
like
music
equipment.
You
know
those
we
tried
to
establish
decibels
for
so
that's
how
we
address
those
refuse
collection
and
construction.
I'm
gonna
lump
those
together.
What
we
tried
to
do
to
address
those
is
number
one
is:
is
maintain
hours
of
operation
so
in
days,
so
it's
monday
through
saturday,
seven
to
seven.
We
felt
like
those
were
pretty
reasonable
times
to
allow
construction.
D
I
guess
if
we
wanted
to
tighten
that
up
more
the
city,
could
you
know
I
would
say
that
construction
is?
You
know
we
were
trying
to
be
careful
with
that,
because
we
don't
want
to
impact
that
industry
in
a
way
that
that
you
know
I
know
construction
is
difficult,
but
also
it's
part
of
kind
of
a
vibrant
economy.
It's
part
of
a
process
that
happens,
and
I
think
on
those
two,
both
those
items
I
think
trying
to
have
better
enforcement
more
specificity.
D
So
if
we
have
a
construction
site,
that's
operating
after
hours,
if
we
have
a
waste
hauler,
that's
operating
outside
of
ours,
we
have
a
way
to
then
go
issue
citations
to
them.
So
I
do
feel
like
we
have
maybe
just
better
enforcement
tools
and
better
follow-up.
Perhaps
the
ordinances
themselves
didn't
change
a
lot,
but
I
think
it's
more
than
kind
of
the
way
they're
administered
vehicles
is
a
really
tough
one
again,
there's
already
laws
that
exist
in
terms
of
being
able
to
issue
citations
for
a
vehicle
with
a
modified
exhaust.
D
I
don't
believe
obviously,
that
civilian
enforcement,
so
dsd
folks,
are
not
going
to
really
be
in
a
good
position
to
go.
You
know,
chase
a
vehicle
and
try
to
issue
a
side.
I
wouldn't
even
ask
my
staff
to
do
that,
so
maybe
police
may
have
to
comment
on
that
a
little
bit
and
for
them
it's
probably
just
a
question
of
how
they
prioritize
calls
and
their
time
and
then
dogs
and
animals.
You
know
dsd
did
transition
animal
services
to
my
department,
and
so
we
I
think
we
have
the
ability
to
enforce
that
better.
D
I
mean
we're
working
with
that
staff
right
now
to
put
some
some
better
things
in
place
and
some
procedures
for
how
you
can
call
and
complain,
follow
a
complaint
and
then
how
we
can
address
that.
So
again,
it's
not
so
much
hard
ordinance
information.
As
it's
more
of
like
a
question
of
how
we're
going
to
enforce
this
and
administer
the
policy.
D
I
That
helps
yeah.
I
just
I,
I
think
it's
important
for
the
community
to
hear
that,
because
it
was,
it
was
coming
up
a
lot
in
those
community
engagement
points,
and
I
was
just
grateful
that
one
of
the
neighbors
suggested.
What
is
there
a
way
to
incentivize
training
for
your
pets
instead
of
a
citation
for
when
your
pet
is
being
loud
after
hours?
I
Kind
of
got
to
the
spirit
of
how
I
think
a
good
neighbor
policy
could
look.
I
have
a
couple
other
questions
about
impact
on
our
venues.
They're,
especially
going
to
be
adapting
programming
to
be
outdoors
during
the
pandemic
and
the
timing.
I
know
you
kind
of
address
that
could
be
a
delayed
situation,
but
the
music
industry
in
asheville
is
not
just
a
part
of
our
cultural
identity.
It's
a
significant
impact
on
our
economy,
so
you
mentioned
some
of
the
benchmark
cities.
D
D
I
haven't
looked
at
that
plan,
but
I
will
agree
with
they've
done
a
pretty
pretty
good
job
of
recognizing
the
importance
of
their
music
venues
to
their
economy,
and
we
want
to
do
that.
I'll
say
this.
I
think
that
that
that
a
lot
of
the
venues
that
primarily
operate
in
indoor
and
I'll
I'll
name
drop
them,
but
you
know
the
ones
that
have
a
lot
of
indoor
shows
we've
been
outside
of
those
and
we've
done
decimal
measurements.
They
run
really
good
operations,
they're
going
to
be
fine.
D
The
challenge
is
going
to
be
venues
that
that
don't
do
music,
so
kind
of
kind
of
places
that
have
occasionally
leave
windows
and
doors
open,
but
really
once
you
educate
them,
they'll
be
fine,
so
that
kind
of
leaves
outdoor
music
to
your
point.
So
I
think
we've
got
some
work
to
do
in
terms
of
outdoor
music
and
it's
just
really
difficult,
because
both
sides
feel
really
strongly
about
what
that
should
be.
D
I
There's
definitely
a
desire
from,
like
my
perspective,
for
us
to
not
make
it
harder
for
our
small
businesses,
and
it's
interesting
is
when
I,
when
I
answered
all
the
emails
that
were
coming
in
from
musicians
that
were
concerned,
and
I
was
categorizing
like
which
emails
were
from
small
businesses
and
which
were
from
musicians.
I
had
to
remind
myself
that
as
a
musician,
I
am
a
small
business.
I
So
if
we,
if
we
start
to
think
about
the
impact
on
our
small
business
community
as
musicians,
I
think
that'll
be
really
important
and
just
like,
I
said,
to
look
for
those
cautionary
tales.
But
there
is
when
we
talk
about
the
multi-family
to
multi-family
complaints.
I
I've
been
looking
to
see
what
durham
is
doing
with
the
engagement
ambassador
program
and
I'm
not
sure,
if
you're
familiar
with
that,
but
it
could
be
a
good
way
to
find
out
and
work
with
neighbors
to
get
to
the
root
causes
of
why
those
complaints
are
coming
and
instead
of
it
being
from
the
city.
D
Yeah,
so
that's
a
great
suggestion.
I
haven't
looked
at
durham's
program,
but
we
will-
and
you
actually
said
that
really
well-
that's
always
been
our
vision
of
how
the
managed
those
residential
kind
of
the
residential
noise
complaints
is,
is
trying
to
empower
those
communities
to
do
that
and
really
trying
to
address
systemic
noise
issues
in
a
way
that
that
solves
a
problem.
Not
just
a
I
mean,
not
just
a
one-off
response,
but
more
of
a
question
of
well.
D
Why
is
there
so
many
noise
complaints
or
what
are
the
factors
that
cause
that
and
that's
kind
of
hard?
It's
there's
no
wholesale
across
the
board.
Answer
to
that.
That's
probably
case
by
case
unique
to
each
like
complex,
so
yeah,
that's
a
really
that's
a
good
suggestion.
We'll
take
a
look
at
durham.
I
My
understanding
is
the
engagement
ambassador
program
works,
sort
of
like
a
grant
so
that
you
have
an
opportunity
to
pay
someone
for
their
time,
and
it
is
the
data
that
they
have
is
showing
that
the
people
who
participate
is
much
different
than
what
you
get
when
it's
an
online
survey,
and
so
it
may
help,
especially
during
these
coveted
times,
to
work
with
somebody
who
already
has
those
established
relationships.
Instead
of
just
having
to
rely
on
phone
and
email.
J
And
ben,
if,
if
I
could
add,
I
want
to
go
back
to
how
you
framed
and
define
this
initiative.
It
is
not
just
about
an
ordinance.
It's
a
program
and
a
part
of
the
program
is
that
we
communicate.
We
have
outreach,
we
educate,
we
problem
solve,
rather
than
just
sometimes
in
the
past,
just
going
out
and
issuing
citations
and
and
it
being
so
punitive.
What
we're
trying
to
do
now
is
to
collaborate
to
again.
J
Ms
ronnie,
you
talked
about
community
engagement.
You
know.
That
is
why
we
want
this
position.
New
position,
that's
been
added
to
our
communication
and
public
engagement
division
to
be
able
to
do
the
kinds
of
things
that
you
were
talking
about
in
terms
of
meeting
with
resident
associations
even
meeting
with
individuals.
So
we
understand
what
are
the
problems
that
exist
in
a
community?
How
do
we
problem
solve
and
how
do
we
bring
our
collective
resources
of
the
city
to
help
address?
J
And
it's
not
just
when
I
say
collective
resources
of
the
city-
it's
not
just
city
government,
but
other
entities
within
the
community
to
help
us
problem
solve.
So
that's,
that's!
That's
our
model.
We
are
learning.
We
are
evolving
and
I
think
the
most
important
thing
that
ben
has
said
is
for
this
particular
initiatives:
we're
going
to
take
a
pause,
we're
going
to
go
back
out,
re-engage
the
community
and
see
if
we
can
address
some
of
those
remaining
outstanding
issues
and
then
even
further
to
delay
the
effective
date
in
terms
of
implementation.
J
After
or
if
it's
adopted
by
council.
B
I,
like
the
sound
of
the
engagement
ambassadors
program
and
I
was
wondering
if
you
all
could
possibly
come
together
with
residence
council
to
think
of
a
co-working
co-researching
initiative.
There.
D
I'm
open
to
that.
I
think
that's
really.
The
only
way
ultimately
to
be
successful
at
this
is
is
to
work
with
those
that
are
affected
and
kind
of.
Let
those
help
drive
the
the
solutions.
You
know
what
what
what
the
best
way
that,
let
me
ask
them
how
I
should
ask
them:
how
do
you
want
the
city
to
be
involved?
I
D
B
I
wanted
to
ask
about
lack
of
due
process
and
I
think
it
goes
back
to
the
original
dissolve
of
the
noise
appeals
board.
But
I
think
what
what
people
are
wondering
is
if
there
is
some
type
of
involvement
at
some
level
from
some
type
of
citizen
board.
D
I
was
looking
to
see
if
brad
was
gonna
unmute
the
city
attorney,
but
I
mean
there
can
be
there's
there.
I
mean
it
certainly
can
be,
and
I
don't
know
brad
do
you
wanna
help
me
with
that
in
terms
of
the
board
and
sure
process.
C
Thank
you
yeah.
I
can.
I
can
add
a
little
bit
to
that.
So,
madam
vice
mayor,
I
think
that
there's
no
legally
right
or
wrong
way
to
either
include
or
exclude
a
citizen
board
as
part
of
this.
So
really
it's
an
optional
format.
C
I
think
the
thought
process
that
went
into
this,
at
least
from
a
legal
standpoint,
was
that
we
found
that
in
looking
over
the
board's
actions
over
the
past
several
years,
that
we
had
not
seen
a
lot
of
effective
action
by
that
board,
whether
you
were
having
a
complaint
against
you
or
whether
you're
filing
complaint,
we
really
weren't
having
many
situations
where
people
actually
felt
they
were
getting
a
true
due
process
benefit
out
of
it.
C
So
we
began
to
examine
whether
or
not
it
was
worth
it
to
try
to
improve
the
board
and
what
we
realized
was
with
these
situations.
You
have
a
very
odd
format.
You
have
a
group
of
citizens
who
generally
are
not
experts
in
any
particular
field
of
sound
or
of
sort
of
city
process
trying
to
render
essentially
almost
quasi-judicial
decisions
on
things
that
they
didn't
have
any
kind
of
first-person
contact
with.
C
So
that
was
our
thought
process
that
there
really
is
no
right
or
wrong
in
terms
of
legality,
but
we
felt
that
that
might
give
people
not
just
a
more
streamlined
approach,
but
it's
also
more
consistent
with
the
way
we
do.
Complaints,
citations
and
appeals
for
other
departments.
Right
now
so,
for
instance,
if
you
get
a
parking
ticket,
you
don't
have
to
go
to
a
parking
board.
C
You
get
a
citation.
You've
got
the
right
to
appeal
to
essentially
the
transportation
director
and
pledge
your
case
to
someone
who
understands
the
rules
in
the
process.
So
we
wanted
to
make
it
much
more
equitable,
consistent
and
fair
across
as
many
of
our
citation
platforms
as
possible,
and
that's
why
we
tried
to
mirror
that
approach.
B
B
That's
another
side
of
my
comment,
button,
yeah.
So
being
the
workload
of
this
and
the
weight
of
the
the
decision
that
you
know
we're
putting
on
a
dsd
director.
That's
why
I
was
like
you
know:
how
can
we
think
of
another
process,
or
you
know
so
one
person
or
one
one
department
won't
be
the
target
if
things
don't
go
right.
B
B
So
next
on
our
agenda,
we
have
chief
david
zack,
he's
going
to
come
and
update
us
on
the
online
tools
and
the
apd
public
transparency.
Dashboard.
K
Thank
you
vice
mayor,
both
of
these
initiatives
were
begun
in
the
last
couple
months.
I
just
kind
of
wanted
to
give
an
update
on
where
we're
at
I
do
believe
we
had
a
couple
slides
to
show
is
that
presentation
up.
A
I'm
sorry,
chief
zach
did
you
want
me
to
run
the
presentation.
K
K
This
was
our
tip
to
apd
anonymous
tip
line
that
we
put
into
place
we
launched
on
december
1st
of
last
year
and
where
we're
at
currently
is
we've
had
over
700
of
our
residents
now
download
the
app
up
to
this
point.
We
have
received
over
191
tips
on
anything
from
abuse
to
violent
crime,
serious
drug
activity,
weapons
and
also
in
assisting
us
with
locating
some
wanted
persons.
K
So
I
think
for
for
a
first
couple
months,
with,
with
this
tool
being
out,
it's
shown
that
we
have
a
very
engaged
community
that
does
want
to
assist
us
in
various
matters.
So
it's
a
good.
I
think
it's
a
good
strong
rollout
for
the
first
two
months,
that's
somewhat
limited
by
our
inability
for
our
community
engagement
division
to
be
out
in
the
community
and
just
pushing
the
tool
that
much
harder.
K
But
this
is
something
that
we
track
weekly
to
see
how
many
times
the
app
is
getting
downloaded
and
just
kind
of
going
back
and
seeing
if
the
strategies
that
we're
putting
in
place
are
having
an
effect.
So
I
think
it's
a
good
start
again.
We've
seen
a
couple
of
major
crimes
already
solved
by
the
tip:
it's
a
force
multiplier
for
us.
It's
a
tremendous
aid
to
our
investigators
and
our
detectives
in
ongoing
cases,
but
also
in
monitoring.
K
Our
transparency
dashboard-
this
is
something
we
launched
just
a
couple
of
weeks
ago
and
already
we're
starting
to
see
a
strong
response
and
a
lot
of
comments.
K
More
than
four
thousand
persons
have
already
we've
had
page
views
over
four
thousand
we're
putting
out
our
crime
information,
use
of
force,
data
again
diversity
and
we're
gonna
start
getting
out
our
traffic
stop
data,
so
we're
still
working
on
you
know
being
as
transparent
as
we
possibly
can
and
we've
taken.
K
So
we've
got
a
lot
of
feelers
out
into
the
community
to
see
you
know
what
exactly
is
wanted
to
see
on
that
dashboard.
So
this
is,
I
think,
it's
a
good
tool
and
it
definitely
demonstrates
our
desire
to
be
as
transparent
as
the
agency
can
possibly
be.
So
it's
a
work
in
progress.
K
But
again,
I
think
our
our
team
did
an
excellent
job
in
rolling
this
out,
and
now
we
will
just
continue
to
add
on
to
it,
as
is
necessary,
to
make
sure
our
community
is
well
informed
on
the
activities.
J
K
K
We
just
want
to
hear
from
residents
so
if
whether
it's
a
traffic
stop
whether
it's
an
officer
who's
shown
up
at
your
home
for
a
noise
complaint
or
barking
dog
or
any
other
matter,
that
we
can
get
kind
of
instantaneous
feedback
on
what
that
experience
was
like
number
one
for
quality
control.
K
Number
two
to
you
know
make
sure
that
if
we
have
maybe
a
problem
developing
with
an
officer
that
we're
able
to
address
it
much
sooner,
there's
a
lot
of
things
that
don't
necessarily
would
not
necessarily
get
reported
as
an
actual
complaint,
especially
when
the
incident
involved
isn't
is
somewhat
minor.
K
But
we
still
want
to
be
able
to
know
how
our
officers
are
doing
and
we
want
to
have
that
feedback
from
the
community,
be
it
positive
or
negative
that
we're
able
to
address
problems
right
away
within
that
customer
satisfaction
survey
is,
do
you
want
to
speak
with
a
supervisor
and
what
our
hope
is
if
someone
has
had
a
bad
experience
or
a
good
experience
that
we
try
to
get
back
to
that
resident
within
a
24-hour
period,
so
we
want
to
be
as
responsive
as
we
possibly
can
again.
K
Just
doing
you
know
online
citizen
complaints
or
you
want
to
come
in
physically
to
report
a
bad
experience,
we
want
to
make
that
process
much
easier
and
again
much
more
efficient,
where
we're
actually
getting
back
to
folks
a
lot
sooner
than
maybe
we
would
through
the
normal
complaint
procedure,
but
also
you
know,
when
our
officers
are,
are
being
praised
for
their
work,
they're
receiving
that
feedback
as
well,
that
you
know
whoever
you
dealt
with
on
this
particular
day
with
this
particular
incident.
I
I
have
a
question
about
the
dashboard.
This
is
kim
so
as
we're
looking
at
the
traffic
stop
data
being
added
to
the
dashboard.
Where
are
we
at
with
expanding
written
consent
to
search
for
all
modes
of
transportation,
even
if
someone's
walking,
biking
or
rolling.
K
That
is,
you
know,
we're
gonna,
look
at
that
those
policies
right
now.
There
is
no
plan
to
change
that,
but,
as
always,
you
know
we
will
start
to
look
at
information
that
we're
receiving
on
stops
in
general.
Our
proactive
stops,
I
can
tell
you
just
on
traffic
stops
alone-
has
dropped
by
50
percent
over
over
2020.
So
there's
no
plan
to
change
that
policy
just
yet,
but
just
like
anything
else,
any
policy
that
we
have
is
always
subject
to
review.
K
Yes,
thank
you
vice
mayor
the
after-action
report
I
had
promised,
and
I
had
hoped
that
this
would
be
done
by
the
end
of
december.
K
We
reviewed
the
final
report
for
submission
and
there
were
a
couple
things
more
that
I
felt
was
important
that
the
public
had
a
right
to
see,
and
you
all
had
a
right
to
see,
and
some
of
that
was
the
fbi
intelligence
reports
that
we
were
receiving
almost
on
a
nightly
basis.
K
Our
initial
plan
was
to
include
those
intelligence
reports
in
the
final
report,
so
folks
could
see
exactly
what
we
were.
We
were
seeing
and
hear
what
we
were
hearing
as
as
the
protested
unfold
nationally,
and
when
we
contacted
the
fbi
they
said,
please
don't
those
are
classified
documents.
We
don't
want
those
in
your
after-action
reports,
as
some
agencies
across
the
country
had
included
so
what
they
first
of
all,
they
appreciated
the
fact
that
we
checked
in
with
them.
That
was
number
one
number
two.
K
K
So
you
knew
again
exactly
what
we
were
hearing
and
seeing
exactly
what
we
were
seeing
so
we're
still
waiting
for
those
scrub
versions
of
those
reports
to
come
in
so
they
can
be
included,
but
also
again,
I
think
everyone's
aware
of
the
staffing
crisis
that
we're
dealing
with
and
several
of
the
supervisors
and
so
forth
that
I
have
working
on
the
act
after
reaction
report
because
of
other
urgent
matters
within
the
department.
K
We've
constantly
had
to
reassign
and
pull
them
away
from
those
tasks
from
this
particular
task
in
order
to
handle
more
pressing
emergencies
within
the
department.
So
I
apologize
for
the
delay,
but
again
we
want
as
comprehensive
report
as
we
possibly
can,
and
I
think
it's
just
going
to
take
me
a
couple
of
more
weeks
and
we'll
have
that
report
for
your
review.
But
there
have
been
just
some
unprecedented
issues
that
have
had
to
be
addressed.
J
And
currently
vice
mayor,
the
report
is
scheduled
to
come
back
to
this
committee
in
march
and
it
will
be
right
now.
It's
the
only
item
that
is
proposed
for
your
virginia
agenda
in
march.
I
If
I
can,
I
do
have
a
couple
one
is
we
can
talk
about
not
being
able
to
be
officially
a
sanctuary
city,
but
I
do
have
concern
about
jurisdiction,
bringing
in
regional
and
state
officers
that
have
agreements
with
ice
so
especially
when
we
had
a
city-wide
curfew
in
place.
So
I
wonder
if
we
could
review
this
concern
with
our
partners
or
neighbors
like
the
buncombe
county
sheriff's
office,
in
a
proactive
way
and
look
at
maybe
a
policy
of
not
bringing
in
support
from
outside
agencies
that
work
with
immigration
enforcement.
I
Another
question
in
advance
of
our
march
meeting,
just
so
that's
on
the
table,
is:
I
am
very
concerned
that
chemical
weapons
and
projectiles
of
any
kind
aren't
safe,
and
so
I'm
concerned
that
we
would
use
those
as
tools
in
public
safety.
So
thank
you.
K
Okay,
I
will
certainly
the
chemical
weapons
aspect
of
this
will
be
addressed
in
the
after
action
report,
but
I
can
assure
you,
apd
actually
takes
no
active
role
in
any
sort
of
immigration
enforcement
whatsoever.
I
I
bring
that
up,
because
I
know
that
we
have
neighbors
like
hendersonville,
that
do
have
a
287g
agreement
with
ice,
so
when
we
bring
those
in
my
question
still
remains
that
if
someone
has
an
interaction
with
someone
who's
joining
our
work,
whether
they
have
their
own
jurisdiction
or
they're
operating
under
ours,
what
does
that
mean
for
our
neighbor?
If
they
are
undocumented?
I
K
Yeah,
I
think
that
would
actually
more
be
under
the
sheriff's
jurisdiction
with
the
jail,
but
it's
very
rare.
You
know
where
we
would
have
an
outside
agency
coming
and
operating
within
here,
a
local
agency,
like
you
mentioned
hendersonville,
where,
where
they
would
be
taking
that
sort
of
sort
of
action,
but
I'm
not
exactly
familiar
with
with
their
with
their
policies,.
B
K
That
is
correct
and
of
those
am
mou's
that
I've
seen
you
know,
immigration
enforcement
is
not
included
in
any
of
the
functions
of
those
agencies
operating
within
our
community.
So
I've
not
seen
that
it's
usually
just
a
mutual
aid
request.
You
know
for
emergencies
and
so
on
and
so
forth.
B
B
L
L
L
F
F
Hi,
this
is
greenleaf
clark
calling
in
from
north
asheville.
This
is
my
first
public
safety
meeting
that
I
get
to
comment
on
and
I
want
to
speak
some
stuff
that
gets
brushed
to
the
side
in
asheville
city
council
meetings,
because
this
might
be
a
more
appropriate
context
as
we
make
decisions
around
reading
after
action
reports
and
things
like
that
from
david
zach.
F
We
need
to
acknowledge
the
harm
that
was
done
this
past
year
and
not
brush
it
aside,
as
some
bureaucratic
set
of
complaints
to
be
written
down.
I
really
appreciated
council
person,
roney
being
the
only
one.
I've
heard
speak
to
in
this
meeting
any
kind
of
challenge
to
the
use
of
chemical
weapons
that
has
still
been
swept
under
the
rug
by
the
apd.
F
F
This
is
not
a
department.
We
need
to
continue
funding,
nor
is
the
one
we
should
be
giving
any
air
time
to.
They
are
domestic
terrorists.
They
are
criminals
and
they
need
to
be
defunded
rather
than
giving
error
time
to
them
to
explain
away
their
actions
with
bureaucratic
language
and
reports.
F
Please
other
council
people
follow
in
the
steps
of
council
raroni
and
hold
the
apd
accountable
for
the
war
crimes
and
their
actions
and
demand
that
chief
david
zach
resign
immediately.
Thank
you.