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A
B
No
I'll
just
reiterate
your
the
answer
to
the
question
of
the
Tia
and
move
on
to.
A
A
D
E
E
F
C
We're
good
we're
good,
okay,
all
right,
we're
gonna
restart
the
meeting
at
601.
Just
for
the
sake
of
the
YouTube
audience
and
recording.
We
were
made
aware
that
the
YouTube
feed
had
gone
down
somewhere
I'm
guessing
around
I,
don't
know
five,
forty
five,
forty
five.
We
continued
having
a
little
discussion
and
we
actually
took
a
break
at
5
52
until
now,
so
I
think
Mr
poncos
is
going
to
give
a.
G
C
B
Yes,
the
that
analysis
would
happen
before
the
final
review
of
the
two
proposed
phases
so
that
the
overall
cumulative
impact
of
the
of
the
project
can
be
evaluated
for
the
entire
Transportation
Network
I'll
note
that
he
also
expressed
concern
with
the
technical
modification
for
the
over
the
40
maximum
of
the
lot
size
for
buildings
above
75
feet
in
height
and
asked
for
more
defined,
perhaps
maximum
to
that
allowance
and
I
was
just
answering
commissioner
mubanick's
question
about
the
hotel
parking
garage
access,
which
is
basically
a
write-in
right
out
on
Charlotte
Street,
that
there
are
other
access
points
to
like
the
hotel
drop
off
from
the
curb
cut,
just
north
of
the
roundabout,
as
well
as
other
curb
cuts
and
access
through
the
site.
H
B
So
we
can
that's
something
that
the
applicants
working
on
a
little
bit
to
refine,
but
essentially
there's
no
parking
required
downtown,
except
for
hotel
uses,
so
they
are
certainly
meeting
the
minimum
required
and
for
that
for
the
hotel
use
which
is
based
on
the
number
of
guest
rooms
and
the
square
footage
of
other
uses
like
Lobby
spaces
and
Convention
area
and
whatnot.
So
but
technically,
the
commercial
office
residential
uses
here
in
the
CBD
district
do
not
require
any
parking.
Typically,
it's
one
per
unit
for
one
or
two
bedrooms.
H
So
are
we
expecting
our
employees
to
walk,
but
no
one
else
or
we're
expecting
our
employees
to
take
the
bus,
but
no
one
else,
I,
don't
know
you
know
I
mean
I
can
tell
you
how
I
feel
about
that.
But
we
expect
our
employees
to
take
the
bus,
but
we
expect
everybody
at
the
hotel
to
rent
a
car
or
to
drive
in
or
people
who
are
living
in
the
area
to
own
two
cars.
You
know
a
one
bedroom
or
two
bedroom
I
mean
let's
just
be
real
about
how
we
feel
about
that.
H
So
that's
my
thoughts
on
the
parking
data.
My
final
question
is
the
building
one
facing
Charlotte
Street
I
know
before
there
had
been
some
thoughts
and
feedback
about
like
a
mural,
going
on
the
back
side
of
that,
where,
where
Did,
We
End
on
that,
have
we
come
to
a
conclusion.
B
Currently,
one
is
not
proposed,
I
know,
that's
something
that
is
occasionally
considered.
I
know
it's
not
always
the
ideal
design
solution
in
lieu
of
architecture.
The
designer
view
committee
is
is
very
adamant
that
they'd
rather
see
good
architecture
than
than
murals,
so
I
can
only
speak.
I
can
speak
for
them
and
saying
that
they're
not
big
would
not
have
been
a
big
fan
of
that
element.
B
It's
really
not
being
proposed
that
Charlotte
Street
facade
would
either
have
you
know
some
kind
of
opening
and
windows
and
and
some
you
know,
Street
levels,
storefront
type,
design
or
or
similar
to
me
and
that's
part
of
the
modification
being
requested
to
as
well,
but
no
mural
is
being
proposed
or
other.
There
may
be
elements
such
as
and
I'll.
Let
the
applicant
speak
this
a
little
bit
more,
maybe
like
art
displays
or
shallow
storefront
without
uses
behind
them.
That
might
be
considered
as
part
of
that
technical
modification.
I.
G
H
Church,
the
200
parking
spaces
for
the
church
is
that
something
that
could
be
that's
200
space
is
that
something
that
could
be
like
shared
with
the
hotel,
because
I
see
like
the
hotel
spaces
for
like
meeting
spaces.
Is
that
something
that
could
be
co-opt
out
during
like
the
week
when
the
hood,
when
the
hotel
has
like
meetings,
they
could
like
rent
that
from
the
church
or
something
like.
A
H
B
Yeah
I'm
happy
to
defer
that
to
the
applicant,
but
I
would
agree
that
any
kind
of
shared
parking
agreement
would
be
the
most
beneficial
use
of
that
that
space,
yeah,
okay.
E
B
This
point:
that's
my
understanding.
The
current
numbers
are
just
based
on
what
the
development
things
they
need
to
support
all
those
uses.
They
could
certainly
change
some
of
them
to
be
publicly
available.
I
think
I,
think
some
of
them
would
be
publicly
available
for
the
office
and
Commercial
uses,
and
that
kind
of
thing,
as
far
as
like
a
large
amount
of
public
spaces,
or
that
might
maybe
not
designed
to
be
for
that,
but
to
support
the
uses
mostly
located
there,
which
could
be
the
public
if
it's
things
like
restaurants
and
Commercial
uses.
E
H
E
Maybe,
you
know
the
minimum
should
be
whatever
the
Udo
requires.
In
my
opinion,
sure.
B
B
E
Sure
that's
one
comment.
Another
question
I
had
is
regarding
the
traffic
impact
analysis
and
Central
Avenue.
Would
that
take
into
account
the
approved
plans
for
the
Four
Points
Sheridan
across
I?
Guess
I'm
I'm
confused
about
what
data
within
me
working
from
the
expanded
Hotel
use
across
Central
Ave
or
the
current
use.
B
Yes,
that
is,
that
is
a
good
question.
I,
don't
know
if
the
ncdot
requires
data
on
like
projected
or
proposed
projects,
to
be
honest,
I,
don't
think
they
do
I
think
it's
based
on
the
existing
traffic
counts
data
that
they
have
and
they
model
from
there
with
new
use
proposed.
B
So
if
probably
the
timing
of
this
would
not
work
out
to
capture
that
new
use
in
their
data,
so
I
I
don't
think
it
would
it
could
if
that
project
happens
as
quickly
as
it
could,
and
this
project
took
a
little
bit
longer
to
do
the
Tia,
then
perhaps
it'd
be
the
data
be
available
in
a
few
years
or
so,
but
I
don't
think.
I
would
consider
that
necessarily.
E
And
then
my
last
question,
which
may
be
more
one
for
the
applicant,
is
around
the
conditions:
numbered
nine
and
ten.
The
affordable
housing
provisions,
there's
one
additional
provision
and
condition
10,
it's
B,
10
B,
says
20
of,
and
this
is
for
phase
two
of
the
project.
Twenty
percent
of
these
affordable
units
will
accept
Haka
housing,
Choice
vouchers
or
will
fall
into
the
federal,
low-income
housing.
Tax
credit
lie
Tech
program
that
one
is
not
included
in
condition
nine,
so
I'm
a
little
curious
about
that
difference.
As.
A
H
A
B
Yeah,
let's
let
them
speak
to
that
it
might
be
able
to
explain
that
a
little
better
than
I
could
sure.
F
That's
I
had
some
comments,
I
think
as.
D
Far
as
the
parking
I
do
agree,
because
that
has
been
one
of
the
arguments
against
Street
activation
on
Charlotte
Street
was
to
get
this
preferred
parking
depth
parking
deck
layout
in
this
building.
You
know,
if
you
don't
need
the
parking
spaces,
then
it
would
be
really
nice
for
pedestrians
to
be
able
to
like
look
into
a
store
on
Charlotte,
Street
and
activate
that
corner
and
right
now
it's
just
a
grassy
area
shown
on
a
plan.
D
Conceptual
or
not.
You
know
it's,
it's
still
a
Transit
development.
Basically,
if
it's
private,
then
I
guess
the
church
makes
money
off
of
it.
I
don't
really
know.
So.
It's
a
parking
business
on
this
property
that
parking
garage
along
the
interstate
I
still
have
a
problem
with
that,
because
I
mean
you're
coming
under
the
overpass
from
Central
and
then
I'm
looking
for
I'm
looking
to
get
into
trouble
and
I'm,
probably
going
to
hang
out
back
there.
D
That's
my
idea,
I
think
so,
and
there's
really
no
attention
being
paid
to
that
and
then,
as
far
as
the
bicycle
parking
I
know,
that
there
was
one
intermediate
discussion
about
some
sort
of
bicycle
lane
on
Charlotte
Street
and
so
I'm
wondering
how
that
works.
There's
this
part
of
the
plan
that
shows
like
an
orange
part
of
the
I
guess
it's
the
office
building
hanging
over
the
sidewalk.
It's
it's
where
the
cars
do
a
right
turn
only
into
the
parking
garage
for.
H
D
Office
YMCA
building
I'm
guessing
the
building
projects
over
this
I'm,
not
really
sure
I,
don't
understand
that
condition
there.
D
And
then
I'm
wondering
about
the
storm
water
I
know.
The
design
review
comment
was
to
use
these
alternative
storm
water
methods
in
lieu
of
the
underground,
and
that's
not
necessarily
what
the
condition
says.
It
just
says:
try
and
do
these
other
things
so
I'm
wondering
since
the
plans
still
show
under
underground
storm
water.
If
there's
any
modifications
that
will
be
presented
on
the
final
plan.
D
B
Yeah
I
think
essentially
it
would
be
I
mean
if
you
had
I
guess
the
way
to
explain
it
is
if
he
had
like
two
towers
that
were
above
75
feet
in
height,
but
they
weren't
connected
and
they
each
were
less
than
145
feet.
They'd
be
compliant
things.
When
you
have
a
single
structure
that
you
can
measure
uninterrupted
above
75.
D
G
B
D
B
Yeah
we've
not
spoken
about
that
explicitly,
but
I
think
yeah
incorporating
some
kind
of
except
Ted,
so
crime
prevention
through
environmental
design
would
be
a
pretty
important
component
of
that.
So
I
would
defer
the
applicant
to
speak
through
that
a
little
bit
more.
Those
are
excellent
points.
Yep.
C
I've
just
got
a
couple
of
most
of
them
are
clarifications
that
commissioner
bubenic
and
Barton
have
already
brought
up
just
to
be
certain
because
I
don't
see
it
specifically
worded
that
way
out
of
the
parking
deck
so
to
get
into
the
parking
deck
from
Charlotte
Street.
It
is
a
right
turn
in
only
right
turn
out.
Only
there
is
no
left
turn
out
of
the
parking
deck
off
of
Charlotte
Street,
correct,
I,.
A
C
I
C
Remember
I
know
we
had
at
our
Retreat
Chris
Cairns
came
and
we
talked
about
tias
I'm,
trying
to
remember
I
think
if
the
project
has
been
approved
they
do
modeling.
In
other
words,
they
can't
get
the
data,
but
they
model
and
say:
okay.
G
G
B
B
B
Yeah,
it
would
make
a
lot
of
sense
to
do
it
that
way.
I
I
remember
that
discussion
too
I
just
can't
recall
the.
C
G
C
Coming
from
that,
all.
H
Right,
why
don't
we
go
ahead,
yeah
sure,
so,
just
looking.
H
H
Coming
from
Charlotte
Street
on
that
light
and
then
you're
going
to
get
stuck
in
there,
so
I
mean
the
parking
situation
is
already
a
nightmare
just
sitting
here.
Talking
about
it,
I
mean
I
mean
you're,
just
going
to
be
like
blinded
around
up
there
and
you're.
Never
going
to
get
out
and
part
of
going
to
the
gym
is
like
not
taking
a
car.
So
it's
the
parking
situation.
B
C
Yeah
one
other
quick,
I,
guess
question
that
I
wanted
to
ask
I
know
there
had
been
discussions
of
the
possibility
of
at
least
one
or
both
of
these
decks
being
a
public
private
partnership
between
the
developer
and
the
city.
What
is
that
gone
anywhere,
or
is
that
just
stalled
is?
Is
that
still
yeah.
B
In
the
discussed,
I
I
can't
really
speak
to
that,
since
that's
kind
of
a
separate
discussion
from
the
commercial
design
that
I
personally
not
been
a
part
of
applicant,
might
be
able
to
provide
an
update
on
that.
My
understanding
is
that
this
concept
plan
is
just
based
on
the
parking
that
they
would
provide
for
the
development.
C
We
go
ahead
and
hear
from
the
applicant
and
then
we'll
be
public
comment,
I'm
sure
we
will
continue
to
have
discussion
on
that
project.
One.
E
Last
technical
clarification
for
Mr
Palmquist,
just
the
hotel
overlay,
does
it
follow
cleanly
the
property
line
of
one
Oak,
I
didn't
see
it
in
an
exhibit,
but
I
assumed
that
that
is
the
singular
parcel.
That's
included
in
the
hotel
overlay,
yeah.
B
B
That
is
correct,
yeah,
it's
a
it's!
A
hotel
overlay
for
large
and
small
hotels
up
to
115
115
guest
rooms
by
right,
well,
happy
turn
over
to
either
Robin
or
Dave.
I
have
the
the
plansa
here
as
well.
Is
there
any
information
like
to
share
or
just
answer
your
questions
that
have
come
up
so
far
or,
however,
you
want
the
best
dressing.
You
can
flip
through
the
combined
plan
set
here
with
with
the
two
fingers
to
scroll
to
so
perfect.
J
We
just
a
quick
administrative
note:
I
think
the
live
stream
live
stream
is
up,
but
it's
in
the
human
relations
commission
video,
so
some
of
our
guys
found
it,
but
there
might
be
other
people
looking
for
it
out
there
good
evening.
Thank
you.
J
My
name
is
Robert
poppleton
I
am
vice
president
of
the
Furman
company,
the
developer
for
the
project.
I
work
with
Blake
Navarro
who's,
the
applicant
on
the
documents
before
we
get
in
continue.
The
technical
discussion
I
wanted
to
say
a
few
additional
words
on
context
and
recap
of
what's
got
us
to
this
point
today
and
we'll
try
to
be
as
brief
as
possible,
but
first
I
want
to
thank.
Will
he
started
off
by
saying
we've
been
coordinating
a
lot?
It's
true.
Our
coordination
began
two
years
ago,
starting
this
August
start
I
mean
effective.
J
J
Will
he
summarized
the
project,
just
as
we
would
have,
and
so
I
appreciate
that
we'll
spend
we'll
be
more
efficient
with
your
time
that
way,
I'd
also
like
to
introduce
some
of
the
members
of
our
team
that
are
here
and
Rec
just
to
acknowledge
some
of
the
members
of
the
team
that
are
here
this
evening.
We
have
both
representatives
from
the
YMCA
and
the
First
Baptist
Church
of
Asheville
Paul
vest
with
the
YMCA.
We
have
David
Blackman
and
Lisa
Brandon
with
the
First
Baptist
Church
of
Asheville.
J
We
have
our
lead
designer
Dave
Crabtree,
who
you'll
hear
from
in
a
moment.
Some
of
our
civil
engineering
team
is
are
trying
to
attend
by
the
virtual
stream
and
already
on
standby.
If
we
have
additional
technical
questions,
Bob
OST,
our
attorney,
and
actually
we
have
some
members
of
our
traffic
engineering,
Team
JM
Teague.
Thank
you
for
joining
us
tonight.
J
The
two
years
leading
up
to
this
moment
really
has
been
quite
a
process.
I
want
to
tell
you
a
little
bit
about
that.
When
we
began,
Furman
company
started
our
conversations
with
the
Y
and
the
church.
We
before
anything
else
dove
into
the
public
documents
that
had
been
generated
for
the
city
of
Asheville
for
the
community
here,
including
and
primarily
living
Asheville.
We
let
that
be
a
guide
for
us.
We
immersed
ourselves
in
that
in
those
plans
and
allowed
them
to
form
are
our
opinions
and
Concepts
going
forward.
J
The
we
then
quickly
talked
and
listened
and
shredded
and
met
with
at
length
both
the
church
and
the.
Why
and
on
after
understanding
their
missional
objectives,
which
which
are
fantastic
for
this
community,
and
we
are
fortunate
as
a
developer,
to
align
ourselves
and
stand
next
to
them
to
facilitate
the
expansion
of
their
missions
with
such
items
as
affordable
housing
and
the
preservation
of
a
100
year
old,
historic
treasure
for
the
community
of
Asheville
is
is
as
well
as
many
other
programs
which
they
can
speak
to
better
than
I.
J
Can
we
also
went
to
the
community
immediately
and
sought
out
the
the
most
important
stakeholders
that
people
told
us
to
speak
with
both
in
organizations
neighborhoods
and
individuals?
In
addition
to
the
city
and
the
county
and
elected
officials,
we
spent
a
good
amount
of
time
with
the
East
End
communities,
the
Eastern
Valley
Street
neighborhood
association,
as
well
as
churches.
J
In
that
neighborhood
to
listen
and
I
would
like
to
say,
we've
we've
done
our
best
to
listen
and
react
and
incorporate
everything
that
we've
heard
along
the
way
that
includes
the
neighborhood
associations
staff
other
commissions,
before
you
and
committees
before
you,
as
well
as
larger
Community
organizations
to
develop
affordable
housing
strategies,
Dogwood
Health
Trust,
whether
it
be
Chamber
of
Commerce
to
understand
the
local
economy
or
explore
Asheville
to
to
really
consider
the
backbone
in
Hospitality.
J
Here
we
we've
really
tried
to
cover
the
bases
and
I'd
like
to
say
confidently
that
we
are
sharing
a
concept
that
we
believe
expresses
everything
we've
heard
along
the
way
and
helps
align
it
with
the
intersection
of
the
marketplace
for
viability,
both
short-term
and
long-term.
So
it's
a
sustainable
part,
a
new
part
of
downtown
and
I
I.
J
Think,
given
its
magnitude,
we
that
the
project
scale
you
know
working
with
saf
early
on,
they
developed
a
structure
that
we
can
be
successful
in
as
a
project
team
to
evaluate
in
basically
two
parts
what
we're
doing
now
in
the
conditional
zoning
and
what
lies
ahead
of
us
in
the
level
two
review
for
each
individual
project
within
the
master
plan,
so
in
in
carrying
that
out.
What
I
think
we
are
summarizing
today
is
really
the
collective
effort
of
the
community,
of
course,
our
project
champions
in
the
church
and
the.
J
Why,
but
also
reacting
as
as
it
will
summarize,
along
to
all
the
various
feedback
we've
received.
We,
we
have
I
believe
arrived
at
the
form
that
can
be
populated
with
each
level
two
review
following
this
in
design
detail,
building,
articulation,
fenestrations
various
design,
material
selections,
which
we
know
is
ahead
of
us.
We
we've
had
a
substantial
investment
to
get
to
this
point,
but
the
that
is
going
to
be
going
to
go
up
significantly
from
here
forward.
J
So
I
would
again
thank
staff
for
their
comments
and
support,
but
also
respectfully
request
that
that
we
can
vote
tonight
that
you
can
vote
tonight
in
support
of
approval
with
conditions
that
the
spirit
of
collaboration
we've
we've
shown
along
the
way
and
being
able
to
incorporate
the
feedback.
We
received
we're
going
to
continue
that
I
hope
we've
proven
that,
but
we
will
continue
that
going
forward.
J
We
have
lots
to
to
unpack
together,
but
I
do
think
that
the
form
has
been
well
established
at
this
point
for
at
least
to
to
make
that
request
of
you
this
evening.
So
I'm
going
to
step
aside,
of
course,
we'll
answer
the
many
questions
that
you
started,
asking
that
maybe
the
applicant
can
address
more
more
appropriately
and
I
will
invite
Dave
Crabtree
also
to
to
come
up
to
help
answer
technical
questions
as
needed
before
I
go
on
any
questions.
J
Okay,
the
one
thing
I
think
is
important
to
note
and
it
was
asked
about
parking
a
lot
of
conversation
about
parking
so
far,
Dave
can
fill
in
the
specific
numbers
and
I
believe
the
numbers
and
Analysis
referenced,
but
is
in
the
application
documents.
The
parking
is
intended
and
is
going
as
a
public
parking
garage.
There
will
be
reserved
parking
as
many
of
the
garages
operate,
that
our
public
garages
in
town
for
to
support
the
the
daily
needs
of
the
hotel,
the
daily
which,
by
the
way,
is
a
full
service
intended
to
be
a
full
service.
J
Hotel
featuring
conferencing
space,
unlike
we
have
today
in
downtown
Asheville.
So
we
believe
that's
going
to
be
a
very
good
Community
amenity
and
asset
for
economic
development
and
Beyond,
but
they
there
will
be
certain
parking
spaces
that
are
going
to
be
reserved,
but
the
the
design
of
the
garage
is
capacities
are
are
intended
to
meet
both
reserved
usage
and
public
usage
and
off
hours
in
a
shared
Matrix.
A
shared
use,
Matrix
I,
forget
the
ratio,
but
it
was
a
conservative
ratio
used
to
design
the
total
capacities
of
that.
J
So
those
garages
are
dependent
on
a
public-private
partnership
that
is
parallel
to
this
effort,
and
that
will
you
know
more.
Details
would
be
available
on
that
in
the
coming
months,
but
I
wanted
to
make
sure
to
at
least
discuss
that
and
address
that
issue.
I'm
sure
there
were
other
items.
Let
me
check
my
notes
that
I
picked
up
in
discussion
here.
J
Dave,
do
you
want
to
come
up
and
I
I
think
I've
actually
hit
my
notes,
so
any
other
questions
for
the
applicant
I'm
happy
to
to
answer
and
I
think
we
can
provide
some
additional
design
commentary
on
what's
been
discussed
tonight
so
far
and
any
additional
questions
you
may
have.
Thank
you
very
much.
Thank.
C
K
Good
afternoon,
Dave
Crabtree,
thank
you
guys
for
being
our
co-creators
I.
Think
in
the
spirit
of
what
Robert
just
said,
is
we're
really
looking
at
two
years
plus
of
co-creating
together
I'm
sure
you
guys
have
seen
the
the
document
that's
up
up
here.
Is
everybody
in
pretty
good
length
in
some
ways,
I
think
it's
going
to
answer
a
lot
of
your
questions
and
I'll,
but
I'll
Point
them
out,
because
it's
a
thick
document
and
I
get
it.
That's
that's
kind
of
why
we've
gone
through
I've
lost
track.
K
Seven,
eight,
nine
meetings,
sub
meetings,
informal
meetings,
workshops
in
the
spirit
of
coke
collaborating
we've
brought
our
3D
models
to
the
table
in
open
forums,
and
you
know
spun
them
around
brought
people
into
them
made
modifications
along
the
way,
and
so
we,
as
Robert
said,
would
continue
to
do
that.
K
K
To
scroll
scroll
there,
it
goes
in
part
in
the
spirit
of
co-creating.
You
know
what
you
see
up.
There
is
one
of
the
many
design
charades,
so
the
master
plan
you
see
today,
I,
would
love
to
take
credit
for
I
just
happen
to
be
the
vessel
in
the
team
that
put
it
on
page,
we
went
through
in
physically
built
models
in
person
together,
and
so
the
massings
that
you
see
were
a
result
of
in
situ.
We
brought
little
clay
pieces
for
people
to
cut
up
and
stack
different
things
Vision
sessions.
K
What
that
does
it
and
it
works
nicely
because
they
it
respects
the
church
B,
it
frames.
The
views
towards
the
mountain
frames,
the
city
from
the
mountains,
as
you're
approaching
there
is,
you
know,
a
more
usable
footprint
at
those
two
sites
at
the
sort
of
we'll
call
them
the
bookends.
If
you
will,
particularly
what
hotels
are
looking
for.
K
K
What
I
would
try
to
do
my
best
answer
to
some
of
your
questions,
the
first
I
kind
of
wanted
to
say
it
the
last
several
meetings
in
the
spirit
of
things
we've
adopted
and
adapted
and
modified
and
gladly
in
the
spirit
of
co-creation.
So
our
hope
today
is
again
is
accumulation
of
that.
We
expect
that
to
move
forward
has
been.
You
know,
we
agree.
We
have
to
have
an
active
pedestrian
experience
in
the
latest
conditions.
We've
noted
the
75
percent.
K
If
you
look
at
the
sidewalk
sections
in
the
requests
by
the
DRC
and
others
to
have
increased
width,
Beyond
we've
done
that
and
we've
also
included
things
while
still
increasing
decreasing
our
footprint.
Some
we're
needed,
and
we
took
us
some
back
and
forth
the
cycle
tracks,
and
so
those
are
now
all
in
place.
So
again,
those
were
things
that
we've
done
in
our
then
memorialized
into
this
recent
document.
Do
we
need
to
fine
tune
some
of
the
language,
certainly,
but
I
think
the
spirit
is
there.
K
We've
talked
about
you
know
a
prioritizing
residential
in
the
first
phase
and
in
good
faith.
We've
shifted
from
office
in
that
first
phase
to
residential.
In
that
first
phase,
we've
adopted
the
80
Ami
that
was
requested
and
that's
sort
of
been
memorialized.
And
again
you
were
looking
at
some
of
the
language
and
you
know
that's
where
we
can
kind
of
fine-tune
some
things.
K
You
know
we
have
adjusted
massings
in
the
past
and
we're
thinking.
I've
stepped
these
back
and
move
these.
You
know
in
different
ways,
and
so
we
have
made
those
adjustments
so
in
good
spirit
of
things
that
we
anticipate
after
the
several
months
of
kind
of
making
those
adjustments
that
the
general
amassing
intent.
These
are
respectively,
just
simple
boxes.
We
we
don't
anticipate
long
blank
walls,
so,
for
example,
in
the
document
you'll
see
anything
above
75
foot
is
noted
as
articulate
facades
above
75
foot.
I.
Think
we
use
the
word
articulate
and
enemy.
K
Could
we
find
additional
language
to
put
there
to
ensure
that
it's
not
a
long
blank
wall
very
similar
to
what's
at
The
Pedestrian
scale?
The
code
already
has
that
covered
right?
The
code
does
say
at
least
40
percent
will
be
fenestration
up
above
I've
seen,
for
example,
four
points,
for
example,
has
extraordinarily
long
walls
on
it
and
it's
one
solid
building,
but
they
articulated
and
they've
made
some
carves
or
added
balconies.
Those
are
all
the
similar
type.
K
The
things
we
expect
drcs
in
us
to
be
in
future
Architects,
I
I,
may
not
be
the
architect
for
well.
I
will
not
be
the
architect
for
all
of
these
buildings
and
shouldn't
be
right
that
there's
layers
of
design
that
would
come
onto
these.
That
will
add
the
texture
and
and
scale
and
become
the
sort
of
library
of
history
that
we
build
as
Architects
and
city
planners
and
urban
designers.
K
So
in
this
Spirit
of
that
we're
kind
of
going
through
and
looking
at
it
we've
at
each
of
our
encounters
we've
kind
of
adjusted
in
this
culmination
of
today
now
to
some
of
the
questions
you
had
today,
and
there
was
some
of
them
and
there's
probably
a
good
reason
why
we
would
want
conditions
today,
not
just
flat
out
approval
on
Central,
for
example,.
K
Slow
mature
I
will
pause
here
for
a
second
and
again,
it
gets
into
some
of
the
questions
of
your
40,
so
I'll
skip
around
I'll,
get
back
to
40.
To
that
the
deal
on
Central,
the
allowable
area
noted
in
blue,
could
be
265
foot
tall.
We're
not
doing
that
right.
What
we've
said
is
you
know
in
the
allowable
area
in
green
could
be
145
foot
tall.
K
What
we
have
done
is
said,
you
know
back
to
the
sort
of
mountain
in
the
valley
is
Define.
The
book
ends
as
the
265-foot
zone
is
a
self-imposed
deal.
The
green
is
still
145..
The
yellow
is
a
no-fly
zone.
That
is
a
respect.
Zone
that's
been
negotiated
with
the
church
and
the
YMCA
to
say,
let's
not
build
anything
any
closer
than
this,
and
that
created,
where
we've
carved
away
buildings,
to
sort
of
frame,
the
views
and
vistas
of
the
steeple
from
various
angles
and
those
yellow
zones
help
help
that
they're
actually
broader
than
that.
K
K
Well,
what
is
it
because
we
don't
really
have
a
bunch
of
small
Parcels
right
and
so
currently
what's
used
is
about
a
hundred
thousand
square
foot
is
going
above
75
foot,
which
is
around
22
to
23
percent,
so
we're
far
below
the
40
percent,
which
is
you
know,
I'll
use
the
word,
Loosely
tradable
density
of
what
the
spirit
of
what
we're
trying
to
do
with
the
the
book
in
buildings
being
more
functional
footprint
is
put
the
density
where
it
can
be
used
by
folks
that
want
it,
the
hotel
and
a
Residential
Group
and
then
keep
it
more
modest,
particularly
as
you
get
closer
and
have
a
more
Boutique
sort
of
scaled
down.
K
Vibe
at
the
inter
streets
interior
streets,
the
Vias
of
what
we
call
them.
If
you
used
40,
it
would
be
upwards
of
180
000
square
foot.
Now.
The
other
thing
that
we've
noted
is
no
substantial
changes
without
going
back
to
council.
K
So,
while
we've
given
Max
and
minimums
there's
another
layer
of
protection
for
everybody,
that's
that
we
can't
just
pile
on
all
of
a
sudden
building
three
becomes
a
265
foot
Tower
because
we've
already
said:
hey,
there's
a
height
limit
there,
self-imposed
and
B
that
where
we've
said
Max
and
mins
of
square
footages,
so
there's
you
know
in
some
ways.
Is
there
a
balloon
that
can
squeeze
and
you're
kind
of?
If,
if
the
hotel
went
down
a
couple
of
floors
and
I
guess
you
know,
could
we
add
a
little
bit
to
one
building
versus
the
other?
K
The
in
part
that
was
also
put
in
place
to
help
us.
We
are
the
some
of
the
exceeding
lengths,
Beyond
145
foot,
the
challenge
in
that
it's
really
simple
math,
when
these
buildings
will
most
likely
be
steel
or
post-tension
concrete
and
when
you're
going
up
that
high
and
going
up
that
tall
and
you
building
elevators
and
you're,
building,
Shear
walls
and
you're
building
foundations
and
all
that
the
math
won't
work.
K
It's
it's
that
you
really
need
a
decent
sized
footprint
to
go
up
to
those
Heights,
and
so
in
the
spirit
of
that.
That's
where
we're
trying
to
find
other.
You
know
back
to
building
less
than
the
40
that
were
there.
We
put
that
40
in
there
because
again,
like
we
don't
know,
we
don't
have
property
lines
and
there's
one
big
giant
Pro.
K
There
are
a
couple
property
lines
but
they're
much
bigger
than
what
you're
used
to
to
seeing
in
terms
of
the
maximum
lengths,
the
particularly
those
in
buildings
are
brought
in
they're,
not
using
the
full
lengths
of
the
site.
So
we
have
specifically
and
noted
in
the
the
PDF
defined
corners
and
so
and
so
in
the
spirit
of
side,
stepping
we
have
sort
of
pulled
them
away
from
the
street.
At
Charlotte
pulled
them
Charlotte
in
college
and
pulled
them
away
from
the
corner
at
college
and
Oak.
K
K
Well,
I
could
imagine
the
DRC
in
the
future
saying
well
hey
what
would
happen
if
we
shifted
that
more
towards
college
and
in
Charlotte,
because
that
intersection
is
redesigned
now
and
we
can
shift
it
well,
it's
not
like
we
get
to
lengthen
the
building,
but
things
you
know
it's
sort
of.
Shiftable
is
our
imagination,
so
just
kind
of
giving
you
a
sense
of
how
we've
played
through
some
of
these
things,
the
building,
which
would
be.
Let
me
find
a
scroll
down
here
so
again.
K
Building
one,
for
example,
that
is
is
tearing
down
and
the
top
two
floors
is
is
we're
just
exceeding
75
foot,
it's
85
foot
tall
building
and
that's
going
to
be
limited
residential.
We
have
shared
with
you
another
option
if
it
went
to
be
office
and
it
went
up
rough
a
little
bit
taller
because
they're
taller
Florida
floor
Heights.
So,
in
that
case
we
would
be
trading
density
in
terms
of
we
wouldn't
be
if
if
we
might
have
less
residential
and
more
office,
but
the
heights
really
aren't
intended
to
change
substantially
on
Central.
K
The
one
thing
that
we
would
point
out
there
is
that
those
buildings
have
been
the
the
idea
with
the
we'll
talk
about
sidewalks,
because
that
one
ties
into
there
we've
walked
around
the
site
in
a
series
of
workshops
and
figured
out
where
we
could
get
cycle
tracks
and
and
wider
sidewalks,
particularly
along
Charlotte
Street
and
along
College,
the
central.
We
have
agreed
to
shift
the
building
back
10
feet,
so
there's
a
20-foot
section,
so
that
really
wouldn't
be,
if
sort
of
an
Omission
that
we
hadn't
even
picked
up.
K
Yet
with
will
it's
in
the
details
here
but
like
in
Will's
presentation,
it
says:
well,
we
were
asking
for
a
side
step
back
of
five
feet
in
lieu
of
the
10
foot,
but
in
fact,
what
we're
saying
is
we're
going
to
take
the
whole
building
and
move
it
back,
10
foot
onto
our
property
and
give
essentially
create
an
access
agreement
for
sidewalks
of
a
pretty
substantial
amount
for
City
in
public
public
use.
So
those
things
we
feel
like
we've,
that
was
a
critical
one
and
that
was
worked
out.
K
We've
given
up
sort
of
private
area,
buildable
area
to
allow
for
those
sidewalks
along
Woodfin,
Oak,
Charlotte
college
and
in
all
cases.
So
in
that
case
the
developers
and
Furman
is
trying
to
act
in
good
faith.
So
it
was
a
little
bit
more
of
a
Clarity
of
question.
K
You
did
have
a
question
of
fee
and
lieu
of,
and
that
seems
to
be
a
reasonable
thing
to
think
about
of
trees,
part
of
our
early
concern
about
doing
the
cycle
tracks
and
the
sidewalks,
and
all
that
is.
We
had
the
sidewalks
where
they
were
because
we're
trying
to
save
as
many
trees
as
possible,
because
that
was
an
earlier
comment
that
people
came.
They
were
like
got
to
save
all
trees,
but
we'll
save
all
the
trees.
K
So,
as
we've
now
gone
back
and
said,
nope
we're
going
to
do
cycle
tracks
and
broader
sidewalks
and
integral
tree
grates.
A
lot
of
those
trees
may
be
more
subject
to
may
not
survive
as
many
of
we
as
anticipated.
So
that's
where
we'll
just
have
to
all
work
together
in
good
faith.
To
make
this
the
best
place,
we
anticipate
we
want
trees,
I,
don't
think
anybody
in
this
room
is
not
interested
in
that
you
know.
We
all
want
trees,
so
I
think
we're
good
there
we'll
find
a
way.
K
The
parking
that
one
is
going
to
be
good
for
you,
particularly
because
we're
not
over
parking.
The
good
news
is
we're
about
1.65
per
thousand
overall,
if
you
think
about
the
number
of
spaces
we're
proposing
in
the
document
did
break
it
down
by
use
and
we
used
the
code
as
a
guideline.
So
technically,
there
is
no
parking
code
for
this
site
other
than
for
the
hotel.
K
L
A
K
K
So
I
think
you
had
an
idea
of
like
well
some
of
the
shared
the
ideas.
Yes,
we
don't
want
to
build
2230
spaces.
Most
Urban
codes
now
are
some
were
about
one
per
thousand,
if
you're
in
a
city
of
Charlotte
or
other
sort
of
larger
municipalities,
so
the
1.5
per
key
or
1.5
per
thousand
1.6
that
we're
at
is
a
kind
of
a
what
I
would
say.
K
Modern
code
is
for
cities
that
aren't
trying
to
overpark,
so
I
think
we're
within
that
range,
and
then
we
reduce
that
further
to
then
take
into
account
sharing
up
to
20
to
30
percent.
So
if.
K
We
have
currently
is
about
50,
but
what
we
also
know
is
is
once
we
start
designing
those
parking
decks,
and
then
we
take
the
two
foot
off
of
that.
We
just
took
because
we
hadn't
gone
back
and
redesigned
that
and
the
other
forefoot
that
came
off
the
other
facade
and
we've
shortened
some
other
things
we're
going
to
lose
another
series
of
spaces
when
we
add
in
you
know
precise
count
of
ADA
spaces
and
and
back
of
house
and
all
those
things
that
1850
will
probably
come
down.
That's
why
we
gave
it
a
range.
K
A
long
story
slightly
longer
is
conservatively
park
on
the
good
side
of
not
over
parking
and
still
being
viable,
and
then
the
thought
is
these
are
sort
of
a
park
and
ride
opportunity
for
future
other.
We
imagine
people
coming
here,
dining
playing
working
going
to
church
and
then
walking
to
other
parts
of
the
city
and
coming
back
and
forth,
we've
accommodated
the
parking
and
bus
stops.
Excuse
me
at
the
perimeter.
K
That's
also
enumerated
in
some
of
our
street
sections
forthcoming
would
be
diagrams.
We
couldn't
draw
those
diagrams
because,
literally
we
were
working
out
all
those
details
through
this
week,
so
we
can
provide
Street
section
diagrams
and
those
sort
of
things
would
be
the
sort
of
forthcoming
conditions.
If
you
will
that
we've
already
agreed
to
the
parking
deck
along
240
were
that
is
anticipated
to
be
screened,
and
you
know
you're
not
going
to
be
looking
at
parking
versus.
Is
that
an
opportunity
for
art
walls,
possibly
there's,
probably
a
number
of
design
solutions?
K
That
would
be
amazing
for
that
along
I-240
that
we
don't
even
know,
because
we
don't
know
what
we
don't
know
other
than
we'll
do
something
it
is
planned
to
be
there.
The
I
do
think
it
needs
to
be
well
lit.
Part
of
it's
pulled
off
of
the
property
line,
because
you
do
have
to
have
room
for
hose
pools
and
things
like
that,
for
you
got
to
imagine
fire
trucks
can
pull
up
and
they
can
pull
250
foot
of
hose
in
any
direction.
K
G
K
A
substantial
amount
of
space
in
part
of
good
faith
of
framing
the
church
right,
so
these
are
areas
of
green
open
space.
That's
not
necessarily
the
green
infrastructure,
but
those
would
be
places
where
rain
Gardens
and
things
like
that
have
been
discussed
by
other
Council
and
committee
members
and
we'll
find
some
places
to
integrate
into
green
storm
water
infrastructure.
K
I
think
those
were
some
of
the
main.
Oh,
the
right,
the
very
simple
one.
The
the
curb
cut
over
on
Charlotte
is
intended
to
be
a
write-in
right
out,
nobody's
going
to
let
us
cut
across
10
lanes
of
traffic
and
take
a
left
turn
out
of
there.
So
that's
that
is
definitely
right
in
right
out.
We
have
two
means
of
egress
planned,
and
so
when
you're,
you
know
the
idea
being,
we
have
roughly
700
cars
in
there
350
cars
in
any
One
Direction,
but
everybody's
not
leaving
all
at
one
time.
K
This
isn't
a
concert
venue.
This
is
a
type
of
thing
where
it
Ebbs
and
flows,
there's
technically
three
means
of
egress,
but
the
other
is,
you
know,
part
of
back
of
house,
that's
closer
to
the
the
corner.
Here
we
had
considered
having
additional
means
of
egress
out
there,
but
you
can't
because
we're
we're
you
it's
in
terms
of
proximity
in
this
long
sweeping
Arc.
You
can't
have
a
Ingress
egress
on
that,
because
of
the
way
that
dot
right
away
is
designed
right
now.
K
So
that's
you
know
again
and
the
other
reason
is
is
we
were
asked
early
on
to
Define
this
corner
and
design
it
sort
of
close
it
in.
While
that
does
have
some
back
of
house
uses,
there
is
some
meeting
space
there
there's
also
below
grade
stuff
that
kind
of
slightly
Daylights,
because
the
way
the
grade
Works
my
point
is,
is
it
will
all
be
articulated
design
and
that's
one
of
the
places
where
we've
said
well,
where
we
can't
on
the
hotel.
K
K
So
hopefully,
I
tried
to
hit
my
notes,
Here
of
where
everybody
had
a
comment.
I'm
certain
I
missed
something.
What.
K
In
that
little
per
that
little
piece
is
really
to
allow
for
that's,
so
Vehicles
can
turn
in
there,
at
least
if
I
can
find
a
better
view
of
it.
K
So
that
is
the
sort
of
Ingress
right
in
and
then
sort
of
ride
out,
and
then
we
have.
We
think
liner
is
possible
there,
but
it
depends
on
the
use.
So,
for
example,
folks
have
asked
for
an
urban
grocer
and
I'm
sort
of
answering
your
question
of
yet
that
current
overhang
there
is
just
carving
out
because
that's
a
vehicular
entrance,
and
so
that's
really
the
we're
also
trying
to
step
away
the
corner.
So
you
start
to
have
some
sense
of
Entry
when
you
think
about
turning
into
what
we've
called.
K
We
won't
formally
call
it
Fellowship
Boulevard,
but
you
know
it's
a
massing
attempt
of
what's
showing
a
defined
Corner,
but
this
little
cargo
way
there
is
just
letting
Vehicles
come
in
and
the
the
red
is
indicated
where
we'll
do
activated
facade.
If
there
are
circumstances
where
we
have
at
least
15
foot
available.
K
But
if
we
do
a
grocer-
and
we
were
in
great
detail-
showed
this
in
some
of
the
workshops-
their
back
of
houses,
larger
and
deeper,
and
then
all
of
a
sudden
we
don't
have
the
15
foot,
and
so
we
would
need
to
do
art
walls.
Or
what
have
you
and
I
promise
you?
If
it's
a
it's
a
grocer,
they
they're
trying
to
have
a
good
face
on
Charlotte
is
as
well,
so
we
would
be
doing
something
of
of
Civic
value
there
so
and
that
code
does
exist.
So
it's
really
not
an
exception.
K
The
code
already
it
says
that
in
the
case,
you
can't
have
the
full
liner
that
it
has
to
be
an
activated
articulated
facade.
So
in
some
ways
we're
not
really
asking
for
an
exception.
There.
F
J
J
G
J
K
No,
we,
if,
if
we
were
looking
at
doing
the
20-something
foot
that
was
initially
proposed
there,
we
would.
That
was
a
discussion
point
of
like
well.
Could
we
suck
in
the
ground
floor
in
this
because
the
upper
portion
in
Orange,
if
you
will,
are
Parking,
Deck
ramps
right
now
at
about
158
foot,
which
puts
us
at
like
a
6.75
percentage
slope
which
is
maximum
before
people's
doors
start
swinging
open
and
it
doesn't
meet
probable
good
standards?
K
Essentially,
this
the
residential
in
Orange
then
needs
to
have
its
depth,
and
so
there
was
one
discussion
that
was
well
if
you
needed
that
debt,
but
we've
moved
away
from
that
depth
of
sidewalk.
We
were
able
to
do
the
six
foot
cycle
track
in
the
11
foot
sidewalk
and
not
need
to
pull
in
that
ground
floor
like
that.
K
K
The
at.
J
Some
point
actually
comment
on
the
affordable
housing
question,
just
to
add
a
little
bit
of
context,
yeah.
Okay,
for
that,
because
it
was
asked
earlier,
especially
the
distinction
between
the
language
and
the
project,
conditions
for
Phase
One
versus
phase
two
affordable
housing.
J
Broad
goal
is
to
deliver
meaningful
housing
at
a
variety
of
affordability,
points
using
area
medium
income
upper
phase,
one
the
intent
is
to
Target
a
middle-income
project
so
phase
one
because
of
construction
types
in
limited
developable
area,
Workforce,
housing
or
middle
income,
housing
which
area
made
of
incomes
starting
or
at
80
percent
area,
medium
income,
all
the
way
up
to
120
percent
those
that
project
in
this
portion
of
phase.
G
J
And
or
be
in
the
low
income
housing
tax
credit
program.
So
even
though
it's
written
as
80
percent,
because
that
is
we're-
we
want
to
make
a
commitment-
is
we're
standing
forward
and
making
a
commitment
to
some
level
of
affordability.
We
were
actually
trying
to
exceed
what
we're
writing
there
and
pursue
something
that
would
be
closer
to
on
average,
sixty
percent
of
area
median
income
when
you're
using
programs
like
litech
or
low
income,
housing
tax
credits.
So
that's
the
reason
for
the
distinction
there.
E
G
E
J
A
J
Balance
of
the
units
could
be
above
80
area,
okay,.
E
Thanks
for
that
clarification
on
why
the
difference
between
phase
one
and
phase
two
I
do
still.
Think,
though-
and
this
is
again-
you
know
the
details
like
the
language
about-
you
know-
fall
into
the
Federal
Life
Tech
program-
it's
a
little
confusing,
but
I.
You
know
I'm
comfortable
with
it,
as,
as
is
with
the
intent
that
you
said
I
just
it
may
be
something
that
needs
some
further
refinement
when
it
goes
to
council
and
City
Regal
staff
I'm
sure
can
help
you
with
that.
G
H
J
H
I
have
a
follow-up
question
on
the
church
parking
and
something
else
my
fellow
commissioner
said
so:
will
the
will
the
church
rent
like
rent
out
their
parking
spaces
like
on
the
weekends?
Do
they
have?
They
talk
to
you
about
that
so
and
they
obviously
are
a
private
parking
with
their
spaces,
so
do
have
they
come
up
with
a
plan
for
that,
because
is
it
possible
to
like
come
up
with
like
a
co-op
sharing
with
them
absolutely.
G
J
A
L
G
J
J
H
So
I
mean
I,
guess
I'm
looking
at
this
and
it's
in
the
parking
one,
it's
got
the
YMCA
spaces
of
348,
but
then
the
church
spaces
are
separate.
There
are
200,
separate
bankable
spaces
over
here.
So
if
the
YMCA
spaces
are
full
at
348,
then
they're
going
to
be
able
to
park
over
here
in
the
church,
I'm
thinking
of
Saturday
night.
What's
the
church
going
to
do
with
those
200
spaces?
Are
they
going
to
be
able
to
charge
people
20
to
park
in
that
space?
What's
the
plan
for
those
200,
the.
J
Church
will
not
be
charging
because
it
will
not
be
managed
by
the
church
directly,
so
they
won't
have
it's
not
a
profit
Center
for
them,
but
you
know
just
to
clarify,
but
you
could
probably.
A
J
This
but
part
of
the
answer
is
going
to
be
that
the
church
is
parking
in
both
parking
garages
in
the
fully
developed
plan,
and
so
there
are
there's
flexibility
there
and
there's
also
flexibility
beyond
the
parking
garage
structures
themselves
and
surface
parking
on
the
interior
Vias
that
will
be
utilized
by
the
church
or
by
other
people.
J
J
K
They
might
need
more
and
some
days
they
might
need
less,
but
it
has
been
discussed
and
planned
all
around
this
idea
of
shared
and
that's
why
we
put
the
shared
number
in
there
of
20
shared
or
up
to
30
and
30
is
kind
of
pushing
the
limits
of
shared
parking
before
somebody
starts
getting
mad
because
they're,
like
I,
don't
have
a
parking
spot,
and
so
you
know
all
of
that
in
Back
to
the
1.65
per
thousand.
K
1800
we
did
1850.
right
right.
We
know
we're
going
to
lose
some
of
those
and
then
yes,
the
idea
is:
there's
they're
shareable
amongst
multiple
users.
There
will
be
some
places
where
we'll
need
some
dedicated
parking
for
the
pastor
or
there
will
be
a
dead,
I'm
sure,
a
dedicated
parking
space
for
some
individual
I
guess,
but
we.
K
Yet
you
know
what
those
things
would
be
versus
you
know.
All
this
is
mine,
and
all
this
is
yours,
a
handicap
folks.
We
do
need
to
keep
in
those
folks
in
mind,
because
we
do
have
some
a
lot
of
elderly
folks
that
are
worried
about
how
close
to
the
church
they'll
be.
So
we've
maintained,
drop-offs
Street
side
parking,
some
of
the
benefit
of
having
the
curbless
festival
streets
along
what
we
call
Festival
Boulevard.
K
You
know
just
a
little
easier
points
of
egress,
so
that's
our
our
hope
is
people
are
using
the
parallel
parking
activating
the
streets
and
the
parking
garage
has
kind
of
become
more
of
a
shared
parking
component.
J
K
We
hadn't
determined
the
specific
number
it's
similar
like
we
anticipate
bike
parking
facilities
to
be
we've
identified
them
in
some
of
our
civil
plans.
Those
are
anticipated
to
be
sprinkled
all
throughout
the
site,
there's
other
little
pieces
where
we
ensured
that
the
little
there's
the
sort
of
walkway
that's
brought
off
of
the
corner
there
240
and
the
intersection
there
that
so
folks
in
both
for
cyclists
and
others,
there's
some
exhibits
that
go
further
in
the
back.
I
Do
that
yeah
I
got
one
quick
one
again.
Thank
you
very
much
for
answering
comments
and
stuff,
knowing
I'm
kind
of
going
back
to
that
40
played
height
at
75
or
played
area
75
feet
in
height,
knowing.
M
That
we're
at
22
percent
in
the
current
show
model
is
great.
That
alleviates
a
lot
of
my
fears.
However,
in
that
case,
could
we
then
strike
that,
because
you
have
you
know
where
you're
at
now,
you
have
the
ability
to
almost
double
massing
up
both
of
those
tall
buildings
and
just
get
up
to
that
40?
Why
do
we
need
to
allow
and.
K
That
may
be
a
good
comment
to
work
that
out,
like
there
are
some
you'll
I.
Think
you're.
Probably
a
couple
places
in
here
well
I
pointed
out,
like
the
the
current
request
of
the
step
back
at
Central,
where
we're
really
that's
a
duplicative
thing
that
we
don't
really
need
anymore,
because
we've
changed
the
sidewalk
to.
E
K
G
C
H
N
Thank
you,
I'm
Larry
Burke
I
attend
First,
Congregational
United
Church
of
Christ
at
20,
Oak
Street.
We
are
we're
neighbors
and
we're
hoping
to
continue
to
be
good
neighbors
as
a
result
of
this
project.
N
There
are
some
things
that
excite
us
about
what
is
intended
here,
particularly
the
affordable
housing
component,
and
we
are
interested
in
seeing
that
that
20
percent
condition
is
met
if
not
exceeded,
and
we're
also
looking
at
the
ways
this
project
is
going
to
strengthen
our
neighbors
I
know:
First
Baptist
has
an
old
building.
We
have
a
100
old
building,
we
know
100
year
old
building.
We
know
how
difficult
and
expensive
it
is
to
maintain.
N
So
the
revenue
that
you're
going
to
get
from
this
project
will
hopefully
meet
your
maintenance
needs
for
the
future.
The
YMCA
I
know
wants
to
expand
their
programming
to
underserved
parts
of
the
Asheville
Community.
We
support
that
as
well
we're
looking
forward
to
having
500
families
or
new
neighbors
in
our
neighborhood
and
raising
the
visibility
of
our
church
and
hopefully
attracting
some
new
members
and
expanding
our
Ministries.
So
we
see
a
lot
of
good
in
this
project.
N
We
also
see
some
potential
pitfalls,
particularly
in
the
transition
phase
after
ground
is
broken
on
phase
one
and
before
phase
one
is
finished
and
that
perhaps
you
know
two
or
three
year
time
period,
we're
looking
at
a
lot
of
disruption
in
our
neighborhood
in
terms
of
parking
in
terms
of
noise
in
terms
of
vibrations
that
might
come
from
pile
drivers
that
might
affect
our
structure.
So
we're
concerned
about
things
like
that.
N
We
have
members
that
are
scattered
over
not
just
Buncombe
County
but
in
outlying
counties,
and
so
our
congregants
depend
on
parking
and
in
the
short
run,
when
we
are
going
to
see
First
Baptist
lose
about
160
or
so
spaces,
at
the
fir
at
the
one
Oak
Plaza
property,
their
congregants
are
going
to
have
to
park
somewhere
else
and
the
world
going
to
be
jousting
for
Elbow,
Room
I.
Think
in
that
time
period.
N
I
understand
that
you
want
to
build
a
parking
structure
in
Phase,
One
first
and
get
that
operational
and
then
hopefully
alleviate
the
parking
problem
that
would
exist
in
the
interim.
So,
if
that's
the
case,
I
support
that,
but
in
the
long
run,
we're
concerned
about
growing
our
congregation
and
we're
going
to
need
more
parking
ourselves.
N
We
currently
park
on
the
street.
We
have
about
18
spaces
behind
our
building.
We
have
we
also
Park
in
the
county
building
that
is
to
the
south
of
us
in
their
parking
lot
on
Sundays
when
nobody's
there.
We
host
12-step
programs
and
non-profits
concerts
and
other
performances
and
public
meetings
in
our
space,
and
so
we
need
parking
not
just
on
Sundays
but
throughout
the
week.
So
those
are
the
concerns
that
I
had
and
I
just
wanted
to
bring
them
to
you,
but
in
general,
I
personally
support
this
project.
N
A
E
I'll
just
make
a
general
comment
to
the
the
why
First
Baptist
the
development
team
I
just
really
applaud
the
ambition
of
this
project.
We
don't
get
any
opportunities
to
see
this
scale
of
mixed-use
development
proposed
in
Asheville
and
so
I
just
appreciate
the
collaboration
of
good
neighbors
to
bring
some
amazing
real
estate
and
unlock
the
potential
of
it.
I
think
you
know,
while
we
may,
like
the
development
team,
has
suggested
need
to
iron
out
some
of
the
fine
detail
and
that
will
come
in
the
individual
proposals
for
the
buildings.
E
C
I
I
certainly
would
second
that
I
know
when
I
spoke
directly
with
with
Mr
vest
and
with
Mac
Dennis
from
the
church.
I
believe
the
word
audacious
project,
I've
kind
of
used
it
as
transformational,
because
I
do
think
that
this
project
has
the
ability
to
to
Really
transform
this
part
of
downtown
part
that
you
know
was.
A
C
Hundred
years
ago,
extremely
vibrant
and
extremely
filled
with
retail
and
housing,
and
all
of
that
and
you
know,
changed
and
has
been
transformed
and
now
has
the
chance
to
become
become
a
vibrant
corner
of
downtown
again.
I
do
still
have
some
reservations.
There
are
I've
made
lots
of
notes.
G
A
A
C
Or
modified,
or
perhaps
added
you
know,
certainly
one
that
comes
to
mind
is
the
whole
right
turn
no
left
turn
out
of
the
parking
garage.
I
really
think
that,
while
it
makes
absolute
sense,
no
one's
going
to
allow
it
I
think
that
is
one
of
those
things
that
we
need
to
somewhere
in
this
really
get
defined,
because
this
is
kind
of
that
big
broad
level
and
so
I'll
leave
is,
is
you
know
you
mentioned
Mr
Crabtree,
you.
C
C
And-
and
we
were
talking
about
this
in
the
pre
meeting-
I'm-
not
sure
in
the
five
and
a
half
years-
that
I
recall
staff
recommending
continuance
and
I
think
in
this
case
it's
good
also
knowing
that
we've
only
got
barely
two
weeks
before
the
next
meeting.
I
just
think
it
would
be.
You
know
a
lot
of
times.
We
do.
We
sit
here
for
another
30
minutes
and
go
through
okay.
Well,
what
about
on
number
10?
Can
we
change
that
to
that?
C
G
C
C
I
certainly
will
also
say
that
the
development
team-
you
know
I've,
sat
in
on
some
other
meetings.
This
is
the
first
time
I'm,
seeing
you
in
person,
but
certainly
have
set
in
on
several
meetings
and
definitely
applaud
your
ability,
your
willingness
and
your
ability
to
modify
and
listen.
You
know
I
brought
up
back
in
February.
Maybe
hey,
would
you
all
be
willing
to
have
an
informal
review
with
multimodal
that's
again
in
five
and
a
half
years
that
has
never
happened?
C
Developers
never
gone
before
multimodal
the
fact
that
you're
willing
to
and
and
take
that
time
and
listen
to
those
comments
and
incorporate
some
of
that
and
I
think
is.
You
know,
speaks
volumes.
C
You
know
for
what
for
what
you're
bringing
to
the
table?
Certainly
a
First,
Baptist
and
I
guess
in
a
nutshell,
that's
kind
of
where
I'm
at
right.
Now
this
evening,
I
definitely
I
want
to
see
this
project
move
forward
for
sure
without
a
doubt,
I
think
you
know
just
a
little
bit.
You
know
more
time
to
to
get
to
get
some
of
these
things
dialed
out.
C
Open
for
other
comments-
and
so
I
will
say
that
continuance
obviously
is
based
on
the
applicants.
You
know
approval
of
you
know
it
is
kind
of
that.
If
you
would
like
us
to
take
a
vote,
that's
fine,
but
if
you're
willing
to
continue
it
and
I
would
say
you
know
if,
if
that
you
know
yes,
two
weeks
seems
reasonable,
but
I
also
don't
want
to
impose
anything
on
to
staff.
C
H
Was
just
going
to
say
that
I
heard
a
couple
of
words
in
your
presentation
and
the
what
they
the
words
were
like
Greenville
and
like
Charlotte
and
I?
Think
it's
important
to
remember
that
we're
a
small
mountain
town
and
while
this
is
a
great
project
and
it's
going
to
bring
a
lot
to
the
community,
it's
important
to
remember
that
you
know
we
are
a
small
mountain
town
and
we're
not
Greenville
we're
not
Charlotte
we're
not
Raleigh
in
I.
Personally,
don't
want
us
to
look
like
that.
H
H
We
don't
want
a
monstrosity
on
the
corner
when
we
first
take
a
ride
on
the
Charlotte
Street.
So
as
we
come
to
the
final,
you
know,
this
is
just
like
my
feedback
to
you.
Okay,.
O
So
I
think
you're
proposing
that.
So
if
there
are
conditions
that
any
of
you
would
like
to
see
modified
or
maybe
specified
that
you
could,
you
could
email
that
to
will
and
you
could
get
it
to
the
applicant
other
than
you
had
a
few
that
you
mentioned.
I,
don't
know
if
it's
worth
it.
Anybody
else.
Just
saying
I
think
you
know
Mr
bearcloth
you've
mentioned
the
the
percentage
of
the
number
20
the
floor
plate
percentage,
which
kind
of
sounded
like
oh,
maybe
they
don't
even
need
that
one
anymore
or
if
not
there'd,
be
a
cap.
O
C
C
C
The
you
know
it
is
so.
This
is
the
big
broad
master
plan,
View.
C
You
know
we
can
have
the
discussion
feel
free
to
come
back
up
to
up
so
number
three.
You
know
the
idea
that
it's
they
be
every
the
phases
become
level
twos
that
then
go
back
through
DRC
with
mandatory
compliance.
There's
some
parts
in
here
that
I
feel
like
are
taking
away
drc's
actual
purview,
which
is
about
talking
about
density
and
height
and
buildings,
set
back
and
step.
C
Real
purview
so
I
think
have
you
know
eliminating
that
from
their
purview?
Is
a
I
have
trouble
with
that?
The
the
the
number
five
that
talks
about
it's
mostly
the
asterisks
that
talks
about
you,
know
8
000,
square
foot
of
commercial
with
the
residential
8
000
seems
really
really
small.
I'm
torn
between
I
want
to
see
residential
in
both
phases,
but
I
also
want
to
see
enough
commercials
be
viable,
especially,
and
this
will
go
to
whichever
one
that's
in
here
about
the
liner
to
me.
H
C
It's
gonna
be
almost
impossible
for
me
to
really
get
behind
it.
I
feel
like
that
is
one
thing
that
really
does
start
to
say:
okay,
it's
act.
It's
starting
to
activate
that
end
of
downtown
that
little
part
that
still
goes
up
towards
town,
Mountain,
Road
or,
and
that
whenever
that
Beverly
Hanks
and
all
that
other
stuff
across
your
all,
the
three
gets
redeveloped.
They
can
start
communicating
the
crossroad
Street.
C
The
I
think
what
commissioner
Barton
mentioned
about
just
a
little
more
clarification
on
10B
about
the
Live
tech
program.
It
seems
like
there's
just
a
little
and
wording
I.
Think,
commissioner
Barton
you
were
talking
about.
Excuse
me
Faircloth,
you
were
talking
about
the
the
FIA
Lu
part.
C
I
would
love
to
see
feet
and
lose
just
eliminated
blanket
wholesale
period,
not
just
this
project,
but
everywhere
the
six
foot
bicycle
facility
on
Charlotte,
Street,
I
I,
get
it
there's
a
lot
of
people
that
aren't
going
to
bike
on
there,
I'm
still
going
to
push
for
D.O.T
to
change
that
road.
I.
Think
the
six
foot
off
Street
bicycle
on
College
Street
is
completely
unnecessary.
C
C
Will
push
back
against
me,
but
I
really
do
think
that,
because,
after
that
roundabout
there
is
that
bike.
Lane
I
think
that
section
of
College
Street
just
needs
to
have
sharrows
it's
low
enough
speed.
It's
safe
enough.
I
would
rather
see
that
six
feet
on
the
sidewalk,
frankly
for
more
dining,
etc,
etc.
C
Traffic
impact
analysis
part
one
thing
to
consider.
You
know
way
back.
This
is
whatever
15
years
ago
car
sharing
used
to
actually
U-Haul
would
park
a
car
in
a
parking
deck.
You
could
just
go
rent
it.
That
would
be
great.
C
The
the
part
about
the
16b
consideration
of
freight
and
Service
delivery
access.
Is
that
a
Time
limited
thing
or
is
that
an
actual
built
form
thing?
Is
it
about
having
a
space
for
these
trucks
to
get
off
the
Stream,
or
is
it
that
it's
limiting
the
time
that
they're,
delivering
and
still
on
the
street
I
wasn't
sure
the
clarity
of
that
I?
Think
number
17
needs
to
point
out
what
was
in
the
TRC
about
50
of.
C
Should
be
treated
through
the
GSI,
those
are
the
big
ones.
I
probably
have
a
couple
other
little
small
ones.
C
H
H
Would
like
to
add
number
six
I
would
like
to
see
the
minimum
parking
spaces.
1600
I.
Think
there's
too
many
parking
spaces
in
here.
I
think
the
whole
point
of
getting
people
into
downtown
is
getting
them
to
walk,
getting
them
to
take
the
bus,
we're
never
going
to
get
people
to
take
the
bus
if
we
don't
force
them
to
take
the
bus,
we're
never
going
to
get
them
to
walk
if
we
don't
force
them
to
walk
directly.
Backed
up
to
this.
Is
this
County
parking
lot,
there's
already
a
parking
lot.
H
C
I'm
moderately
torn
on
this,
because
I
I
absolutely
agree
and
see
where
you're
coming
from
for
the
people
that
are
living
here
in
some
in
a
lot
of
ways.
I
look
at
this
and
I
realize
this
is
one
of
those
we
shouldn't
really
consider
it
because
the
public-private
partnership
hasn't
been
agreed
on.
If,
when
that
happens,
I
think
about
if
I'm
living
in
East,
Asheville
and
I
want
to
come
downtown-
and
this
is
a
public
parking
garage.
C
C
H
J
That's
yeah
and
actually
let
we're
happy
to
do
this
in
whatever
productive
way.
We
can
respond
in
in
sequence
of
your
comments
or
wait
to
to
hear
all
the
comments
and
it's
specific
opt
you
let
us
know,
but
I'm
happy
we're
happy
to
jump
in
and
start.
D
Sure
answering
some
of
these
I
think
that
staff
has
requested
a
continuance
yeah.
C
F
D
F
K
Me
thrust
that
one
just
because
that's
really
driven
it's
two-part,
you
had
a
com
conversation
about
8,
000
square
foot,
so
building
one.
If
it
has
thirty
thousand
square
foot,
because
it's
a
boutique,
grocer
and
other
things,
then
we
won't
afford
to
be
able
to
have
the
liner
because
we'll
have
a
grocer,
that's
substantially
larger
in
back
of
house
and
that's
why
we
put
that
in
there,
as
it
is
now
with
the
8
000
square
foot.
That's
mostly.
K
The
larger
portion
is
on
Oak,
and
then
we
have
the
Y,
which
is
still
about
a
sixteen
thousand
square
foot,
pretty
active.
It's
not
retail,
but
it's
active
facade
not
on
a
direct
Street.
Then
we
do
have
room
for
some
liner
on
Charlotte,
and
so
we
put
that
in
there
because
of
the
flexibility
depending
on
the
use.
Our
intent
is
to
to
keep
it
active.
I
agree
with
you
similar
with
the
parking
or
excuse
me.
The
we've
already
got
the
parking
is
about
as
minimal.
K
It
is
that's
if
we
were
to
look
at
reducing
parking
further,
that's
okay!
That's
not
I!
Think!
There's
options.
There
there's
a
certain
limit
that
where
then
residential
folks
are
like
why
we
have
to
have
at
least
one
per
typically
one
per
key
is
pretty
common
in
an
urban
situation.
1.15
for
keep
it.
My
point
is:
there's
probably
room
to
look
at
minimums,
but
I
also
don't
want
to
think
the
size
of
the
deck
we've
resisted.
K
Making
it
an
even
bigger
and
we've
kind
of
the
length
is
really
has
to
do
with
the
functional
length
of
ramps.
Getting
up
11
foot
four
to
floor.
Heights
is
that's
that's
that
length,
so
that's
the
it's
not
necessarily
this
number
of
spaces
driving
that
as
much
as
just
functional
lengths.
A
J
A
J
Are:
okay?
Accepting
that
that
we
there's
only
a
requirement
to
do
the
minimum
to
support?
You
know
consistent
with
what
what
is
required
today
we
may
do
more
and
I
will
say
parking
in
the
in
real
estate.
Development
is
like
a
necessary
evil.
You
don't
want
to
overpark
it,
but
you
also
want
your
retail
to
to
flourish
and
you
actually
want
it
to
be
activated.
We
know
we
need
parking
for
the
Y.
We
know
we
need
part
for
the
church.
We
know
we
need
parking
for
the
hotel,
we
know
any
parking
for
the
residents.
J
K
K
We
don't
we're,
trying
not
to
try
to
build
2200
spaces,
which
would
be
a
code
kind
of
guideline.
We
don't
want
to
do
that.
It's
35
000
of
parking
space
that
nobody's
ever
going
to
see
and
it
would
kill
the
project.
Quite
frankly,
that's
another,
so
we're
interested
in
not
trying
to
overbuild
parking.
K
It's
just
what's
the
right
balance
and
it's
probably
getting
into
the
wording
too,
because,
as
Robert
noted,
the
only
space
is
required
for
this
site
is
probably
called
350
400
spaces,
for
if
you
have
a
300,
Key
hotel,
150
of
them
being
for
the
hotel
and
the
other
for
the
perceived
count
of
meeting
spaces
and
so
on
so
forth.
So
if
you
took
350
plus
200
of
the
church
sneezes,
then
550
to
650
is
probably
about
the
smaller
size
that
decks
around
700
spaces
right
now.
So
it's
it's!
K
The
totality
of
the
the
site,
the
street
parking
that
also
kind
of
helps,
but
that's
a
good,
yeah
I
think
we
can.
We
could
find
a
right
balance
here.
I'm
sure
you
did
have
the
DRC
language
I'm
sure
there's
room
there.
The
concern
there
is
is
we're
not
trying
to
re
I'll
use
a
probably
a
terrible
word
here,
relitigate
all
that
we're
grading
upon
so
some
of
that
language
sound
like
we
could
get
in
a
DRC
review
later
and
they're
like
nah.
We
don't.
K
I
know:
that's
not
the
intent,
that's
the
extreme
and
then
all
of
a
sudden
they're
fixing
to
spend
millions
of
dollars
on
design
fees
respectively
for
all
of
these
phases,
and
if
they
were
to
get
down
that
path
and
then
say
all
of
a
sudden.
Well,
you
can't
build
that
hotel,
265
foot
tall
and
that
general
area
that
that
would
that
would
not
be
that's
what
we're
looking
for.
It's
like.
How
do
you
give
them
room
to
have
still
comments
on
massing
but
not
like?
H
C
C
Your
Hitman
right
on
the
head
tree,
it
is
it's
like.
G
C
G
C
A
K
Could
they,
you
know,
do
something
to
the
bill.
You
know
Midway,
yeah,
yeah,
I,
think
those
would.
Yes,
we
should
the
other
question
that
came
up
and
maybe
with
the
bike
Lanes
in
one
way
to
do.
This
is
because
here's-
what
was
written
in
here
as
well
is
that
we
don't
know
that
the
dot
is
going
to
allow
us
to
even
put
those
bike
Lanes
there,
because
it's
still
in
D.O.T
right
away,
and
so
there
is
a
trigger
in
there
that
we
were
trying
to
get
to
it's
like
well.
K
If
they
don't
allow
it,
then
you're
going
to
get
sidewalks
instead,
you
know
what
I
mean
we'll
do
I
think
we
said
sidewalks
in
a
forefoot
that
would
turn
into
a
four
to
five
or
five
to
six
foot
planting
zone
and
then
the
remainder
being
sidewalk
of
11
foot
which
exceeds
the
minimum.
You
know,
could
you
do
four
foot
and
12
those,
but
that's
kind
of
thing
fungible
at
that
point,
so
there
was
a
trigger
in
that
for
part
of
your
you're
concerned.
K
Like
you,
I
personally
think
there's
an
our
initial
approach
on
bike.
Lanes
was
the
street
sections
around
us.
Have
substantial
width
to
absorb
bike
lanes
and
I
would
rather
give
our
sides
wakes
up
the
people
and
trees,
but
we're
cool
with.
K
G
D
A
M
K
G
O
G
O
C
G
O
K
You
know
where
I
think
those
came
from
earlier
one
of
the
very
first
reports
we
got.
We
had
all
of
the
building
department,
landscape,
arborist,
everybody
reviewed
in
some
there's
a
couple.
Those
were
ones
that
actually
they
put
in,
they
were
like
hey.
We
don't
really
have
enough
to
review
here.
Here's
our
comments
and
oh
by
the
way,
meet
all
of
our
other
stuff
in
the
future
and
that's
how
those,
if
my
recollection
is
particularly
on
like
TRC
and
then
there's
a
couple
on
landscape
Udo
references,
so
I
think
that
that's
about.
C
Obviously,
a
project
like
this
is
scale
of
most
projects
that
this
commission
sees
or
that
most
of
the
public
would
see
on
a
project
that
comes
before
us.
It
is
my
sincere
hope
that
the
Udo
changes
in
some
form
or
fashion
over
the
years
that
it
takes
this
project
to
happen
where
I'm
going
with
that
is.
C
This
project
will
be
using
the
current
Udo
and
not
necessarily
the
changes
that
come
past
the
approval
of
this,
and
so
it
seems
to
make
sense
that
some
of
this
needs
to
reference
that
again
I'm
thinking
giving
just
the
longevity
of
this
kind
of
project.
It's
not
to
say
that
I
wouldn't
love
to
see
phase
two
comply
with
the.
E
L
K
C
C
C
This
I
probably
could
and
I
think
as
long
as
we
just
do
it
where
it's
each
one
of
us
emails
you
and
then
you
send
it
or
it's
you
and
Janice,
and
that
way
it
just
it's
clear
and
and
that
way
everything
can
get
ironed
out
and
then
I
guess
it
really
is
just
a
matter
of
looking
at
the
calendar
and
saying:
are
we
date
certain
August
2nd?
Do
we
you
want
do?
Does
the
developer?
J
J
For
there
are
some
big
pieces
that
I
think,
as
we
said,
my
my
benefit
from
some
conversation
specifically
number
17.
Was
it
17?
Yes,
the
one
regarding
the
storm
water
requirements?
My
civil
engineers,
not
here
with
us
but
I,
understand
from
discussion
with
him
prior
that
the
proposed
language
that
we've
introduced
regarding
how
the
site
is
being
assessed,
pre-development
versus
post-development.
J
What
we've
suggested
here
is
really
important.
So
if
did
you
judge
want
to
make
sure
I
I
think
you
you
referenced
this
when
you
were
going
through
as
being
important.
A
J
To
or
or
having
some
concern
about
it,
but
I
think
it
would
be
very
difficult.
It
would
be
very
cost
burdensome
to
the
project
to
require
something
like
50
of
the
infrastructure
for
using
green
storm
water
infrastructure,
to
manage
normal
air
quality
treatment
and
and
I
think
there
was
also
other
language
I,
don't
know
if
you
found
the
the
first
sentence
problematic
also,
but
that's
I
wanted
to
make
sure
to
discuss
that
sure.
C
This
it
actually,
it
got
referenced
in
I,
I.
G
C
K
And
if
I
think,
if
I
recall
that
some
of
the
cons,
the
question
on
the
Civil
side
was,
are
we
getting
some
in
some
ways?
If
you
look
at
today,
this
site's
basically
a
parking
lot.
You
have
like
10
acres
of
parking
lot
and
if
you
go
back
here,
we're
still
putting
some
buildings,
but
we
are
adding
a
lot
of
green
space,
so
I
think
their
question
was:
is
it
using
the
current?
What's
the
Benchmark,
because
one
seemed
to
be
much
more
difficult.
J
To
reach,
because
as
written,
this
is
much
much
easier
to
comply
with
the
previous
version.
If
that's
what
you're,
referring
to
I,
think
treated,
ask
that
the
site
be
treated
as
a
Greenfield
site,
a
wooded
site,
as
opposed
to
its
existing
impervious
calculations.
Sure
so
I
mean
we
would
be
feel
very
strongly
that
we
need
to
continue
to
assess.
J
E
E
To
just
manage
our
expectations
that
that
seems
like
it's
going
to
be
fleshed
out
in
sort
of
the
programming
exercise
that
really
won't
be
resolved
in
the
next
couple
weeks.
You
know
so
I
I,
don't
want
us
to
continue
this
with
the
expectation
that
you're
going
to
come
back
with
like
a
commitment
on
that
condition.
So
it's
probably
worthwhile
for
us
to
figure
out
where
our
comfort
level
is.
You
know,
because
that's
just
it
doesn't
seem
unless
you.
K
A
K
Enhanced
facade
design,
and
so
that's
where
in
some
ways
do
we
was
that
what
we're
talking
about
number
eight.
We.
B
J
Know
the
integration
for
I
mean
trees
throughout
I,
don't
think
I
mean
I,
think
there's
there
needs
to
be
a
study
on
that
and
we
we
are
happy
to
continue
that
study.
But
that's
why
we
introduced
best
efforts
because
where
there
are
pinch
points
and
we
can't
do
a
habitable
or
an
occupiable
liner,
we
want
to
say
yes
to
your
sidewalk,
but
if
that's
going
to
put
pressure
on
us
being
able
to
do
a
pile
of
a
line
or
we
need
a
condition
that
allows
for
that
sure.
K
It
was
and
then
back
to
the
type
of,
if
the
retail
use
on
the
there's
a
couple
of
things,
one
we
were
assuming
it's
really
that,
while
there's
a
hotel.
L
K
Are
built
in
overlays
but
they're,
not
the
use,
so
then
the
car
doesn't
apply.
You
use
the
standard
code.
So
that's
the
way
we
were
look.
We
I
think
we
put
that
language
in
there
because
we
weren't
sure
which
prevails.
Does
he
overlay
Prevail
or
does
my
understanding
of
uses
Prevail?
If
the
uses
Prevail,
then
it's
okay?
K
So
there's
that's
where
a
lot
of
that
confusion
came
from
the
other
one
is
just
as
I
noted
earlier.
It's
like
Robert
said
we
want
to
do
a
liner.
If
we
put
a
larger
brochure
there,
then
the
lighter
becomes
problematic.
So
that
was
the
trigger
of
having
that
flexibility.
If
I
have
a
greater
amount
of
retail
at
the
ground
floor,
then
you
it's
shifting
to
the
front
of
the
street
versus
Charlotte.
K
It's
hard
to
you,
it
doesn't
work
basically
like.
K
K
It's
down
below
so
that
at
that
point
that
we're
holding
the
grade
and
that
actually
sits
between
8
to
14
foot
below
grade.
So
the
loading
starts
at
zero
along
Oak.
If
you
will
comes
in
holding
Ground,
Zero
and
Charlotte
at
the
corner
of
Charlotte
in
college,
it's
about
eight
foot
above
that
and
then,
as
you
go
towards
Fellowship
Boulevard
or
towards
the
church,
it's
about
15
to
16
foot
so
that
loading
dips
in
and
goes
under
gray.
K
We
get
happy
to
do
a
sidebar
workshop
and
show
you
how
it
sure
works,
because
it
the
that's
what
starts
to
drive
it.
We
would
still
have
some
loading
there
for
the
hotel,
but
it's
much
smaller
deal
and
then
we
can
fit
the
ladder
in
when
it's
not
a
a
more
of.
O
B
B
O
A
A
C
Are
there
any
other
ones
that
that
you
would
want
to
discuss
now?
Are
you
comfortable
with
where
we're
at
now
and
then
and
getting
the
feedback
via
the
email
through?
Will.
K
G
O
Well,
they
don't,
they
don't
apply
as
strictly
because
you're
asking
for
a
modification
to
them,
and
so
that's
what
you
do
with
the
conditionals,
then
I
mean
you
are
asking
for
a
modification
to
a
standard
that
would
normally
apply
and
the
hotel
overlay
does
apply
in
this
case.
But
you
are
requesting
this
particular.
C
Yeah,
essentially,
the
modification
to
get
this
phrase.
This
correctly,
the
modification
they're
asking
for
is
to
not
have
the
parking
garage
considered
based
on
the
hotel
overlay
standards,
because
it's
not
just
serving
the
hotel,
and
so
again
that
comes
back
to
that.
That's
what
you're
requesting
that
that
comes
back
to
us
as
the
commission
to
say.
Do
we
like
that
or.
J
A
C
G
G
C
I
was
about
to
say
seven
six
of
us
up
here,
submitting
our
comments
through
you
know,
doing
an
email
making
sure
that
you
know
you're
working
with
staff
is
that
all
this
gets
ironed
out.
So
when
you
come
back
boom,
we
look
at
us
yeah,
that's
taken
care
of
that's
taken
care
of
you
know,
and
that
way
it
is
hearing
it
looking
at
it
saying.
Oh
yes,
this
makes
sense.
Maybe
there
are
a
few
minor
discussions
that
we
still
have
to
have,
but
everything's
been
ironed
out
essentially
before
and.
K
That's
more
right.
What
I'm
pushing
out
is
yes
for
for
comments,
yes
for
us
to
go
back
in
because
I
think
what
happens
in
my
mind,
because
I've
seen
it
in
your
previous
meetings,
is
the
conditions
then
become
exceptions
to
what
is
currently
in
our
PDF.
These
are
the
overruling
things,
so
it's
like
there
may
be
some
conflicts
that
we'll
still
do
our
best
to
iron
out
in
the.
A
C
And
then
again,
there's
still
the
chance
between
when
we
would
approve
and
going
to
council
that
all
of
that
then
can
and
that's
why
I
say
there
may
still
be
some
tweaks
and
changes
after
we
hear
it
again
that
may
need
to
get
ironed
out
and
drawings
may
need
to
get
adjusted
before
councils.
Obviously,
that's
the
fine
right.
K
A
K
C
C
I
may
have
to,
but
so
I'm
gonna
go
ahead
and
make
the
motion
that
we
will
continue
the
conditional
Zoning
for
one
Oak
Street
to
date.
Certain
of
August,
2nd
2023.