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From YouTube: Noise Advisory Board – February 13, 2023
Description
Regular meeting of the City of Asheville Noise Advisory Board.
Access the agenda and other meeting materials at the City of Asheville website: https://www.ashevillenc.gov/department/city-clerk/boards-and-commissions/noise-advisory-board/
Participate before and during the meeting on our public engagement hub: https://publicinput.com/Q6878
A
Weird
finding
it
from
and
that's
what
Carmelo
just
brought.
A
It
was
in
the
folder,
but
it
wasn't
in
the
where
you
usually
have
it.
You
make
it
so
easy
for
us,
where
it's
linked
to
the
where
it
says,
meeting
agenda
or
pieces
here
and
it's
hyperlinked
to
the
thing.
And
then
it's
like
you
know,
link
to
the
meeting
the
Google
meet
there
too.
So
my.
B
Apologies
I'll
make
sure
that
I
could
do
that
better.
But
if
it's
ever
not
on
the
email,
you
can
always
find
the
agenda
online
on
nab's
website.
B
Okay,
yeah
and
we
are
live.
Okay.
B
A
C
A
A
A
Thanks
for
joining
us
today,
okay,
so
first,
this
meeting
is
called
to
order.
First
order
of
business
is
the
approval
of
minutes
from
the
January
meeting?
Is
there's
a
link
to
the
meeting
minutes
in
the
agenda
for
today
can
I
get
a
motion
to
approve
the
minutes
for
January.
A
A
Okay,
thank
you
so
much.
Okay,
moving
on
noise
administrator
check
in
so
there's
a
link
in
the
agenda
for
everyone
to
look
at
what
that
looks
like
so
now.
The
interesting
thing
is
that
if
you
click
on
the
link,
there's
the
numbers
are
there
for
January,
but
they're
not
there
for
February.
However,
if
you
go
to
the
noise
dashboard,
oh
Haley.
A
You
that's
basically
what
you're
just
about
to
offer:
okay
yeah
great.
So
if
you
click
on
the
link
that
is
in
the
agenda
under
staff
report,
it'll
show
you
just
the
January
numbers
we
have.
It
pulled
up
we're
looking
at
it,
however,
at
the
bottom
of
the
page.
If
you
want
to
go
to
the
noise
complaint
dashboard,
it
actually
has
the
numbers
up
for
February
as
well.
A
Also
that
document
now,
with
the
noise
complaint
dashboard,
shows
you
the
numbers
from
corresponding
by
year
and
by
the
complaint
received
by
source
and
the
type
of
complaint.
So
it
also
gives
you
in
the
dashboard.
A
We
also
see
the
if
you
continue
to
scroll
down
you'll,
see
the
status
of
the
complaint,
which
also
has
the
complaint
code
in
on
it
and
I
just
have
to
say.
That's
really
really
helpful.
So
thank
you
for
that,
because
when
it
was
on
another
piece
of
the
information
it
just
made,
it
so
much
easier
to
be
able
to
start
to
recognize
and
realize
what
those
codes
actually
mean
so
but
yeah.
So
if
you
want
to
take
a
look
at
that,
Todd
has
a
hand
raised.
F
Yeah
I
just
want
to
to
point
out
to
everyone
that
we're
trying
to
get
all
of
the
or
the
majority
of
the
complaints
that
come
into
the
city
onto
Asheville
app
unless
they
do
direct
contact
with
us
through
email
or
phone,
and
so
we've
done
that
with
noise,
starting
on
February
1st.
F
And
so
you
will
not
see
jotform
on
the
spreadsheet
for
the
month
of
February.
Everything
will
be.
If
it
comes
in
to
the
city,
digitally
it's
going
to
come
from
Asheville
app
going
forward.
A
Okay,
so
yeah,
so
now
everyone
has
a
chance
to
take
a
look
at
it.
If
there's
any
questions
or
things
to.
A
Questions
comments
I
see
that
there's
a
grading
in
color
based
on
the
amount
of
the
amount
of
complaints
or
or
information
happening.
A
Of
10
Most
Wanted
noise,
ordinance
offenders.
B
E
I'm
still
trying
to
digest
a
lot
of
it,
especially
in
comparison
from
year
to
year,
I
think
it'll
take
a
little
while
to
kind
of
absorb
the
differences
or
I,
don't
want
to
use
any
words
like
improvements
or
anything
like
that,
but
just
the
differences
and
I'm
curious
about
things
like
sorry.
Let
me
pull
it
up
real
fast.
E
A
F
Often
those
are
the
person
didn't
really
understand
that
what
they
were
talking
about
was
a
noise
complaint
or
not.
A
noise
complaint,
gotcha
or
sometimes
Daniel
will
get
a
complaint
that
probably
should
have
went
to
APD
from
a
criminal
gotcha
aspect,
and
so
it
might
fall
into
that
category
as
well.
Okay,.
A
F
No
so
yeah
any
complaint
that
comes
through
APD
is
going
to
get
handled
by
Daniel
and
DSD,
so
the
the
resolved
ones
are
the
ones
that
he
was
able
to
make
contact
with
the
complaint
and
make
contact
with
the
Violator.
If
there
was
one-
and
essentially
you
know
close
out
the
case,
he
feels
like
he
resolved
the
the
issue
that
was
that
was
going
on
there.
A
Okay,
all
right.
Well,
let's
move
on
then
to
Old
business,
and
the
first
thing
that
we
have
is
the
working
group
updates
decibel
levels.
Jeff.
Is
there
any
other
updates
that
you
have
for
us?
I
know
there
was
a
discussion
about
getting
with
City
staff,
beginning
with
DSD
and
going
to
some
of
the
complaints
houses
from
the
survey
is
that
where
do
things
stand
with
that?
It's.
E
Still
in
the
same
spot,
so
I
I,
don't
know
if,
if
Rick
had
made
any
Headway
with
that
or
I,
don't
know
if
Todd
could
speak
to
that
at
all,
but
basically
we're
still
in
that
same
spot,
just
trying
to
get
some
more
survey,
information
and
work
that
out
with
with
with
the
city
staff,
how
to
how
to
actually
do
that.
So
it's
kind
of
where
we're
at
so
it's
kind
of
the
same
place.
D
A
C
Updated
actually
I
guess
I
wonder
what
happens
now
that
the
recommendation
has
gone
to
the
council.
I
saw
that
it
was
listed
in
the
commission
and
Boards
recommendation
five
times
no
less.
It
must
have
been
important
and
so
I
I.
You
know
I
thought
that
we
would
get
some
indication
from
Council
through
city
manager
to
us
that
would
either
authorize
or
not
authorize
us
to
proceed
with
what
we
asked.
Oh
and
I
haven't
heard
anything
in
that
regard.
A
Okay,
yeah,
and
so,
which
brings
us
to
the
next
old
business,
which
is
the
annual
report.
So,
as
you
know,
it
was
like
turn,
so
we
turn
that
in
and
what
what
rev's
talking
about
is
that
they
basically
compiled
all
of
the
recommendations
from
every
committee
into
one
document
and
it's
been
sent
to
the
the
committee
for
for
yeah.
Let's
see,
Haley's
gonna
pull
it
up
so
well.
A
There's
our
annual
report
so,
but
basically,
all
of
the
all
of
the
Committees
that
have
had
recommendations
for
right
now
has
been
all
compiled
into
one
document
that
I
know
they're
meeting
tomorrow
and
I.
What
I
saw
in
the
email
that
went
out
to
the
chairs
was
that
it
was
for
I
believe
for
discussion.
Only
that
nothing's
going
to
be
voted
on
in
terms
of
of
of
the
things
that
they're
making
that
we've
all
made
recommendations
for
so
yeah,
so
I
was
hoping.
A
Councilwoman
Mosley
would
be
here
just
to
give
us
a
little
bit
more
information
on
sort
of.
What's
next
for
that,
because
I
am
unfamiliar
with
how
things
proceed
once
they
have
a
discussion
about
them
tomorrow,
Todd
has
his
hand
raised.
F
My
guess
would
be
that
the
next
step,
if
they
want
to
pursue
this,
would
be
to
have
either
members
of
the
board
to
come
in
and
speak
to
them
about
what
exactly
it
is
you're
proposing
and
what
that
might
look
like
and
how
you
know
the
thought
that
you've
put
into
that
and
so
forth,
or
they
might
ask
you,
know
me
or
Daniel
to
come
in
and
do
it,
but
I
I
think
that
that's
the
next
step
I,
don't
think
that
they're
just
going
to
give
you
a
green
light
and
say
Hey,
you
know,
take
off
running
or
whatever,
but
I
think
they're
going
to
want
if
they
decide
that
this
is
something
that
they
want
to
pursue.
F
A
Gotcha,
okay,
great
thanks,
Todd,
that's
helpful,
so
yeah!
So
I
guess
we're
in
this
wait
and
see
if
we
get
called
to
the
table
for
more
to
provide
more
information.
So
hopefully
that'll
happen.
A
Okay!
So
moving
on
to
on
Old
business
to
look
at
potential
working
groups.
So
just
following
back
up
with
some
of
the
things
that
we
foreign.
A
Opportunities
of
places
to
work
of
things
to
work
on
for
improvement,
that
DSD
could
possibly
use
support
in
two
of
the
things
that
we
talked
about
from
the
annual
retreat
was
the
public
space
issue
and
the
commercial
industrial
budding
residential
areas.
So
those
are
two
things
that
we
know
that
we've
seen
has
has
been
challenging.
I
know
that
it's
it's
kind
of
I
know
part
of
how
do
I
put
this
noise
is
a
little
seasonal
right.
A
We
know
that
so
we're
not
seeing
as
much
of
the
activity
as
we
normally
do,
as
things
tend
to
warm
up
a
little
bit,
but
this
is
I
wanted
to
bring
this
up
for
a
discussion
to
look
at
some
some
of
these
things
and
see
if
there's
anybody
who's
interested
in
exploring
these
and
just
in
a
maybe
in
some
a
potentially
Gathering
data
sort
of
thing
in
terms
of
like
what
other
places
are
doing
in
terms
of
how
they
handle
noise
in
public
space
or
in
places
that
are
commercial,
industrial,
budding
residential
areas.
C
It's
one
of
the
most
vexing
problems
in
the
whole
noise
ordinance
and
certainly
was,
as
it
was
authored
over
the
last
several
years
and
it
finally
just
got
kicked
down
the
road
because
it's
really
difficult
problem
to
solve
so
I
mean
I'd,
be
happy
to
look
at
it
and
take
it
on
I've
done
a
lot
of
research
in
what
other
jurisdictions
have
done
and
how
we
got
to
where
we
are
now
so
I.
Don't
know
if
there's
a
timetable
to
that
task.
Force
research,
but
there's.
A
Yeah,
okay,
yeah,
I,
I,
there's,
not
necessarily
a
timetable,
I
think
just
you
know
what
I'm
thinking
about
with
these
two
things
and
I'm
happy
to
take
on
the
public
space
one,
because
I'm
really
interested
in
that
I
recently
just
got
a
call
from
somebody
in
Washington
DC
about
that
in
in
so
you
know,
I'm
just
curious
to
see
how
other
places
deal
with
with
that,
and
so
and
that's
what
I'm
thinking
is
like
if
we
started
from
a
component
of
just
like
looking
at
maybe
doing
some
research
and
starting
there
and
then
that
sort
of
gives
us
a
little
bit
of
a
Headway
and
Head
Start
into
as
things
start
to
you
know,
warm
up,
people
are
moving
outdoors
and
doing
things
gives
us
a
little
bit
more
sort
of
a
a
heads
like
I,
said
a
head
start
to
addressing
some
of
these
things,
but
yeah.
A
A
You
know
everybody's
feels
that
wants
to
be
a
part
of
some
of
these
working
groups
and,
if
not,
that
we're
going
to
talk
a
little
bit
more
of
other
Focus
areas
or
areas
of
improvement
that
people
do
want
to
focus
on
so
but
yeah
I'd
love
to
see
everybody
get
involved
with
joining
some
of
these
working
groups,
so
rev
that
you're
not
doing,
for
instance,
all
the
work
of
both
vehicle
noise
and
commercial
industrial,
a
budding
residential.
A
Okay,
that'd
be
great:
does
anybody
want
to
work
with
Reb
on
that.
A
Yeah
I'm
I'm
super
curious
to
see
it.
You
know
I
mean
it's
just
interesting.
It's
like
you
know
with
a
lot
of
these
issues
that
we're
looking
at
clearly
we're
not
the
first
to
deal
with
these
things
right
and
if
people
deal
with
this
all
over
the
country
all
over
the
world
really
so
part
of
it,
for
you
know
for
me,
is
like
the
coming
from
a
place
of
curiosity
of
just
how
have
people
dealt
with
this
in
the
past
and
who's
doing
it
well
and
who's?
Not
you
know.
A
C
A
C
No
I'm
not
I
mean
that's
where
my
experience
comes
from
and
that's
why
I
was
one
of
the
leaders
in
the
effort
to
look
most
closely
at
noise.
Adjacencies
and
I
mean
I,
don't
know
how
many
of
you
ever
saw
the
Coalition
of
Asheville
neighborhood
ordinance
that
was
drafted
that
some
parts
of
which
became
law,
others
didn't,
but
that
was
probably
the
most
difficult
part
to
figure
out
yeah
for
a
lot
of
different
reasons,
and
we
don't
have
to
go
into
that
now.
C
But
we
made
a
lot
of
recommendation
for
ways
to
deal
with
it
and
they
just
didn't
make
it
through.
A
Yeah,
okay,
well,
yeah
I,
look
forward
to
learning
more
about
that.
Does
anybody
want
to
work
with
me
on
public
space.
A
A
You
know
what
do
you
do
with
Street
Preachers
versus
buskers
versus
you
know,
people
out
like
with
pamphlets
and
just
everything
sort
of
in
between,
and
so
how
do
you
deal
with
that
in
public
space?
A
What's
like
I,
just
don't
like
this
content?
That's
here!
So
that's
what
I'm
gonna
complain
about
and
also
just
like,
especially
when
it
comes
to
like
where
the,
where
do
you
measure
when
you're
somebody
is,
for
instance,
is
right
outside
of
busking
or
is
right
in
front
of
bomba's
coffee
right,
I
think
that's
what
it's
called
now
the
place.
A
A
You
know
the
the
Street
Preachers
that
are
some
people,
just
don't
like
that
content
and
so
yeah.
So
that's
kind
of
just
looking
how
other
cities
approach
it
and
if
there's
different
regulations
for
different
things,
don't
you
think
they
should
both
be
treated
the.
A
Disturbance,
yeah
I
mean
I,
don't
know,
that's
that's
the
question
right
is
like
what's
subjective
to
I
mean,
should
it
be
I
mean,
of
course
things
should
be
held
to
a
decibel
level.
Right
is
part
of
it,
but
I
think
part
of
the
challenge
is,
is
that
people
may
be
in
compliance,
but
it's
like
a
habitual
problem.
D
Have
a
question:
yeah
I
think
this
is
a
really
interesting
question,
of
course,
and
it's
like
you
said,
it's
super
touchy
and
there's
going
to
be
some
fine
lines
and
gray
areas,
and
that's
why
it's
kind
of
important
but
like
genuinely
asking
as
far
as
directing
our
time
and
energy
toward
this
question
of
public
space
like
how
much
of
a
priority
would
you
want
to
give
that
as
a
working
group
project
because
I'm
just
looking
at
like
the
noise
complaint
dashboard?
D
And
it
says
there
was
one
public
space
complaint
for
January.
There
were
more,
of
course,
in
what
looks
like
2022.
There
was
like
19
in
June
of
2022
and
then
it
kind
of
like
tapered
off
after
there.
So,
of
course,
things
are,
you
know
more
happening
outside
in
public
spaces
during
the
summer
months,
but.
A
A
So
I'm
gonna,
so
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong,
Todd,
but
part
of
it
was
because
this
was
a
challenge
that
they
were
dealing
with
right
so
kind
of
what
we've
talked.
A
What
we
talked
about,
if
you
remember
from
the
annual
retreat,
was
looking
at
some
of
the
things
you
know
where
we
were
going
to
focus
is:
where
are
things
that
are
have
been
challenges
for
DSD,
that
we
could
perhaps
step
in
as
the
noise
Advisory
Board
and
help
provide
some
some
further
direction
or
information,
or
you
know,
content
and
that
sort
of
thing
so
Todd.
Can
you
speak
to
some
of
the
challenges
that,
with
the
public
space,
to
see
if
it's
something
you
know
just
as
as
it
pertains
to
to
challenges
that
you've
been
facing.
F
Sure
so
the
biggest
problem
that
we
have
with
public
space
is
the
ordinance
is
kind
of
vague
as
to
what
constitutes
a
noise
nuisance
or
nuisance
noise.
And
so
we
have
been
able
to
manage
the
buskers
fairly
easily
because
they
are
fairly
compliant
with
our
requests
and
want.
You
know
they
don't
want
to
ruin
their
opportunities
there
in
the
downtown
area
in
other
parts
of
town,
so
they
are
very
willing
to
go
along.
F
However,
we
have
honestly,
mostly
protest
groups
and
other
people
who
want
to
you
know
speak
their
mind
in
a
public
space
and
controlling
their
amplification
and
where
they
cross,
the
line
into
noise
nuisance
has
has
been
challenging
for
us.
F
It's
also
difficult
for
us
to
enforce
that
on
the
spot.
Kids,
because
there
is
some,
you
know
what
is
public
space
and
what
does
that
mean
that
that
is
fairly
open
to
interpretation
and
I'm?
Not
sure
if
you
folks
are
aware
of
this,
but
the
group
that
filed
a
lawsuit
against
the
city
for
their
ability
to
protest
in
front
of
Planned
Parenthood
and
have
Amplified
noise
and
that
sort
of
thing
when
they're
doing
that.
F
The
judge
who
was
reviewing
that
case
during
the
preliminary
series
of
hearings
essentially
put
a
stay
on
the
city's
ability
to
enforce
the
ordinance
they're
around
Planned
Parenthood,
because
he
felt,
like
the
city
had
not
done
a
good
enough
job
of
defining
what
public
space
was
and
what
amplification
was
and
those
sorts
of
things
so
I
mean
that
that
is
that
those
are
just
a
preliminary
hearings.
F
You
know
of
what's
probably
going
to
be
a
very
long
court
case,
but
these
are
some
of
the
things
that
we're
gonna,
that
we
were
kind
of
asking
to
to
try
to
get
more
clarification
on
and
it
you
know.
Obviously,
at
this
point
my
recommendation
would
be
don't
go
too
far
down
the
rabbit
hole
with
that.
F
Until
we
hear
what
the
court
has
to
say
when
they
finally
come
around
and
decide
the
case
and
all
that
other
stuff,
because
that
will
obviously
have
a
huge
impact
on
what
we
can
do,
but
that
that
is
one
of
the
key
things
that
they
had
pointed
out,
that
the
court
pointed
out
was
that
they
didn't
feel
like.
We
had
done
a
very
good
job
of
defining
some
of
these
key
terms
that
we
have
in
the
ordinance.
A
Gotcha,
thank
you
Todd.
That's
that's
very
helpful
yeah
and
do
you
do
you
know
when,
when
that
next
court
date
is
for
that
case,
I.
F
What
we
can
we
can
find
that
out
and
and
try
to
send
something
out
to
to
the
board
members.
Okay,.
F
Sure,
and
that's
when
we
is
you
know
particularly
Daniel-
has
to
go
out
and
make
an
assessment
of
you
know.
Is
it
a
new?
Is
it
nuisance
noise?
Is
this
a
legitimate
complaint,
or
is
it
just
someone
who's,
you
know,
has
a
problem
with
the
person
who's
generating
the
noise
and
it
has
to.
It
basically
comes
down
to
officer
discretion
as
to
whether
the
complaint
is
like
whether
the
complaint
actually
turns
into
a
violation
or
not
the.
F
The
complaints
he
gets
do
not
turn
into
violations
because
he's
making
a
call
about
and
all
of
those
violations
anytime
that
we
have
a
violation.
We
are
basically
trying
to
answer
the
question:
if
we
pursue
this,
are
we
going
to
be
able
to
defend
it
in
court
right
and
and
so,
if
there's
any
question
at
all
about
whether
like
we've
we've
struggled
with
third
party
evidence,
sometimes
people
will
send
us
videos
of
somebody
downtown
who's,
creating
what
they
consider
to
be
a
nuisance,
and
so
they
complain
and
they
send
this
video.
F
You
know
we've
had
to
kind
of
let
some
of
those
cases
go
because
it's
their.
It's
third
party
evidence
it's
not
something
that
the
officer
collected
and
so
we're
very
aware,
and
very
cognizant
of
you
know
if
we're
going
to
end
up
if
we're
going
to
pursue
this
case,
it's
going
to
have
to
be
something
we
can
defend
in
court
and
obviously
you
know,
given
the
the
Planned
Parenthood
issues
that
the
lawsuit
that
we're
having
is
you
know
it's
a
legitimate
concern
that
we
have
to
keep
in
mind.
A
So
yeah
so
Carmelo
to
does.
That
answer.
Give
you
some
more
background
in
terms
of
why
I
was
looking
at
that
as
a
potential
working
group
which
sounds
like
you
know
from
what
Todd
says.
Maybe
we
hold
off
for
that
right
now
and
just
until
we
at
least
know
when
that
other
court
date
is.
D
D
But
I
I
do
agree,
and
also
it
is
interesting
to
know,
like
Todd
said
that
the
judge
deemed
that
the
term
or
classification
of
a
public
nuisance
wasn't
clearly
enough
to
find
so
that
shows
that
yeah
I
guess
it
should
be
on
our
radar
and
it
is
good
to
kind
of
have
a
preemptive
step
up
before
the
warmer
months,
because,
obviously
you
know
the
numbers
for
public
complaints.
Public
space
complaints
are
low
right
now,
but
you
know
they
will
go
up
and
looking
at
2022.
D
If
that's
any
indication
of
the
trend,
it's
of
course
the
number
one
complaints
in
the
summer
months
or
any
month
is
residential
neighbor.
But
public
space
was
third,
most
common
type
of
complaints.
Noise
complaint,
it
was
residential,
neighbors
were
number
one.
Business
operations
were
two
and
then
it
was
public
space,
so
yeah
it
is
up
there
and
I
guess
the
sooner.
We
kind
of
put
that
on
our
radar
collectively,
the
better
yeah.
A
C
D
A
A
Yeah
and
Haley
can
I
ask
a
question
for
clarification,
so.
A
B
No,
not
at
all,
so
your
Council
liaison
is,
is
your
most
direct
route
to
getting
recommendations
to
council.
B
So
Antoinette
would
be
would
be
able
to
give
us
the
best
guidance
on
how
to
package
recommendations
for
her
to
to
bring
up
to
the
others.
A
Just
thinking
about
you
know,
time
and
energy
and
that
sort
of
thing,
but
but
that's
good
to
know
so
well,
okay,
great
and
thanks
for
that
Reb,
so
darn
would
definitely
yeah
because
I'm
sure
they're
the
ones
dealing
with
it
more
than
anybody
other
than
the
people
around
Planned
Parenthood,
so
which
I
remember
them
specifically,
definitely
being
at
the
meetings
at
the
council
meetings
when
we
were
talking
about
noise,
ordinance
things
so,
okay,
great
any
other
questions
on
that
before
we
move
on
to
new
business.
A
No
okay,
so
the
first
thing
we
have
here
is
noise
Trends
by
year,
so
that
mainly
I
have
I
have
not
spent
enough
time
with
the
with
the
complaint
dashboard
to
have
a
conversation
necessarily
on
that
other
than
what
I'm
looking
at
right
now
but
and
I'm
I'm
willing
to
bet
most
of
most
of
us
on
here
haven't
had
the
opportunity
to
do
that.
But
it
would
be
interesting
for
us
to
look
at
some
of
the
trends
that
have
happened
over
the
last
year.
A
A
So
just
keep
that
in
mind
is
that
it's
definitely
something
we're
trying
to
address
and
ask
make
sure
people
know
it's
accessible
in
order
to
make
complaints,
so
we're
definitely
going
to
see
an
increase
in
numbers,
as
we
should
be
once
from
the
end
of
2022
or
from
the
end
of
2021
I'm.
Sorry
so
yeah,
because
if
you
scroll
all
the
way
over,
you
can
see
what
Hallie
has
up
here
and
so
yeah
any
any.
D
No
I
think
it's
extremely
well
organized
and
it's
really
helpful.
The
the
only
thing
that
my
brain
is
telling
me
that
would
make
it
perfect
is
if
I
could
look
at
it
as
a
proportion
to
population
or
proportion
to
how
many
individuals
or
families
are
in
multi-family
complexes.
You
know
because
we
can
see.
Maybe
some
of
the
numbers
go
up.
Some
of
the
numbers
go
down
and
super
helpful
to
know
the
timing
of
that,
and
also
like
whether
things
are
seasonal,
like
the
public
noise
violations,
for
example.
D
But
the
the
proportional
part
will
be
super
interesting
to
know
and
I
think
would
provide
a
lot
of
clarification,
but
I'm
not
saying
that
we
need
to
you,
know
overhaul
or
add
that
completely
new
dimension,
and
you
know
guesstimate
things
and
put
more
on
on
the
workload
for
Todd
and
the
team.
But
that's
where
my
mind
goes
and
I'm
always
just
trying
to
keep
that
in
mind.
I
sound,
like
a
broken
record,
always
talking
about
it
as
a
proportion
of
population,
but
that's
that's
where
I'm
always
at.
A
No
I
think
that's
a
good
point
and
we
we
brought
that
up
and
just
so
we
just
so.
You
know
we
put
this
in
the
annual
report
because
it
was
an
accomplishment
of
the
of
the
work
from
from
the
noise
administrator's
office
that,
with
their
64
apartment
complexes
and
11
000
43
units
in
in
the
city.
A
So
we
do
have
that
information
in
in
regards
to
that
I.
Don't
think
that
that's
going
to
fluctuate
that
much
in
terms
of
growth,
you
know
I
mean
yes,
it
will
change
as
as
more
complexes
are
coming
in,
but
I
definitely
think
it's
important
to
keep
that
in
mind,
because
then
that
allows
us
to
see.
Oh,
it's
one
percent
of
the
total
number
of
of
housing
that
we
have
in
multi-family
units
same
thing,
I
do
agree
with
the
population
and
I
know.
A
We've
mentioned
that
a
couple
times
that
which
would
probably
be
really
easy
for
us
just
to
pull
that
information
and
and
just
give
it
to
to
Haley
or
Daniel,
to
put
in
there
just
like
population
of
Asheville,
2021,
2022
2023,
so
because
I
do
think
it's
important
to
look
at
those
numbers.
If
we're
seeing
noise
complaints
go
up,
but
our
populations
not
going
up,
so
it's
not
there's
not
that
tie
to
it,
then
that's
something
we
obviously
need
to
really
be
paying
attention
to
is
like.
A
C
I
have
a
comment:
yeah
I,
wonder
if
it
would
be
possible
to
for
Haley
to
post
the
World
Health
Organization
guidelines
for
Community
noise
in
our
docs
file.
It's
a
worthy,
read,
I,
think
that
the
statistics
and
measures
of
complaints
are
interesting,
but
most
people
just
bear
with
it,
and
you
really
I
mean
there's
not
a
true
picture
of
the
effect
of
noise
in
communities
by
the
complaint
panel.
C
I
just
think
it'd
be
worth
reading
what
the
real
effective
noise
is
and
what
the
maybe
the
underlying
purpose
of
this
committee
could
be
and
I
just
I've
got
copies
of
it.
Haley
you
may
as
well,
but
I
just
think
it'd
be
worth.
If
you
haven't
read
it
just
read
it:
it's
kind
of
a
slog
pretty
long
document,
but
it's
well
worth
the
read
and
I
just
put
that
out.
There
yeah.
A
Is
it
it's
mainly
about
decibel
levels
in
terms
of
like
the
how
high
the
decibel
level
is
and
the
length
of
time
of
of
how,
over
a
period
of
time,
in
terms
of
like
detrimental
to
health,
like
my
question
is
because
because
noise,
because
it's
subjective
right
so
something
that
I
think
sound
that
is
enjoyable
to
me-
might
be
completely
un
enjoyable
to
like
Liliana
right
so
I'm
wondering
about
like
if
it
talks
about
the
psychological
effects,
because
we
might
be
listening
to
some
like
there's
the
whole.
Yes
like
damaging
like
the
the
ear.
A
C
A
comprehensive
document
on
the
the
public
health
threat
of
noise,
both
psychological
as
well
as
physiological,
and
it's
also
fairly
specific
in
terms
of
acceptable
decibel
levels.
It
comes
at
it
from
a
place
where
we
don't,
and
that
is
that,
in
the
absence
of
rest
and
repose,
which
is
the
what
really
suffers
the
most
in
the
presence
of
noise
disturbance,
people
develop
chronic
health
problems.
Yeah.
A
C
You
might
suspect
those
people
who
have
always
suffered
the
most
from
environmental
pollution
suffer
the
worst
from
noise,
but
that,
but
it's
not
exclusive
to
a
single
group.
So
it
really
does
delve
into
everything
you
just
discussed.
Okay,.
A
A
Kind
of
feel
that
way,
Reb
I
have
to
agree
with
you,
I
mean
it's
just
like
I
mean
it's
it's
it.
This
is
no
discredit
to
any
other
organization,
but
there's
a
difference.
I
between,
like
we
need
more
trees.
Here's
how
many
trees
are
in
Asheville.
Here's
how
you
know
what
I
mean.
There's
like
that's
very
like
okay.
This
is
cut
and
dry
in
terms
of
like
we
know
how
many
trees
there
are.
We
know
how
many
we
want.
Let's
see
how
we
figure
that
out
to
this
you
know,
noise
is.
A
So
so
yeah
we
are
a
little
glutton
for
punishment.
So
I
appreciate
all
you
know
being
here
with
all
of
you
trying
to
trying
to
figure
it
out,
trying
to
figure
it
out.
You
know
so
any
other
ideas
or
Focus
areas,
or
anything
like
that
that
we
want
to
take
a
look
at
and
again
it
doesn't
necessarily
like.
This
could
be
some
old
business
for
next
time.
A
Maybe
if
you,
you
know
speaking
about
being
glutton
for
punishment,
going
through
the
noise
ordinance
again
seeing
what
other
parts
you
know
that
haven't
we,
you
know
that
we
haven't
put
a
focus
on
that.
Might
wanna
see
if
there's
things
that
we
can
help
with.
A
I
also
defer
to
like
DSD
to
see,
if
there's
you
know,
because
what
one
of
the
things
I
Look
to
I
I
hope
that
we
can
do
is
for
the
noise
Advisory
Board
like
this
is
like
help
with
the
things
that
are
issues
for
them,
where
they
they're
continuing
to
see
things
come
up
that
we
can
provide
support
in
because
they're,
ultimately,
the
ones
that
have
to
enforce
this,
and
so,
if
they're,
having
problems
with
that.
That's
where
we
can
hopefully
step
in
I.E
the
public
space
and
those
definitions.
A
D
Clarification
question
for
just
going
back
to
how
we
received
a
few
personal
notes
about
her
messages
about
some
of
the
music
and
other
various
things.
Like
some
people
were
talking
about
vehicle
noise.
There
was
the
lawyer
downtown
and
everything
and
I
I
know
rev.
You've
been
tackling
the
vehicle
noise
quite
well
on
your
end,
but
for
the
classification
of
of
stuff
on
the
noise
complaint,
dashboard.
A
B
B
So
for
outdoor
events,
we're
looking
at
specifically
permitted
outdoor
events
so
like
they
got
a
special
event
permit
to
have
an
event
outdoor.
B
So
that
would
be
like
your
downtown
after
five
four,
some
of
the
events
that
we
have
in
pack
Square
looking
at
music
venues
we're
looking
at
business
operations.
If
that's
your
standard
operations
and
what
you're
doing
on
a
usual
we're
going
to
business
operations,
route.
B
E
Haley
I
I
understand
that
for
some
of
the
outdoor
venues
they
are
still
required
to
get
permits,
so
does
that
still
fall
under
the
permanent
outdoor
event
thing,
or
is
that
a
business
yeah.
B
B
Those
we're
looking
those
usually
are
in
conjunction
with
a
special
use
permit,
but
not
always
so,
for
example,
if
we're
looking
at
rabbit
rabbit,
they're
going
to
have
a
sound
exceedance
permit,
but
they
are
an
outdoor
music
venue,
it's
just
they're,
inherently
outdoor,
but
that
is
their
business
operations.
So
what
we're
counting
that
is
their
business
operations,
whereas
something
like
trying
to
think
of
a
different
example.
B
Did
at
one
time
sligrog
had
a
sound
exceedance
permit
and
they
also
had
a
special
event
permit
that
kind
of
went
hand
in
hand
and
that
we
would
have
counted
it
as
outdoor
events,
more
so
than
than
business
operations,
because
they're,
not
an
outdoor
music
venue.
F
I,
just
this
could
go
I
suppose
in
the
good
news
column,
we
have
already
started
seeing
venues
and
businesses
reach
out
to
us
about
upcoming
events
this
summer
and
starting
to
talk
to
us
about
noise,
exceedings
permits-
and
you
know,
who's
responsible
for
what,
when
it
comes
to
public
events
and
in
pack
square
and
stuff
like
that,
so
there's
definitely
a
heightened
awareness
that
the
city
is
tracking
these
sort
of
things
and
the
people
that
are
organizing
these
events
are
coming
forward
and
you
know
trying
to
anticipate
that
they
may
need
to
come
to
some
sort
of
agreement
with
us
or
whatever,
so
that
that's
a
that's
a
good
sign
that
starting
to
make
an
impact
here
in
the
city.
A
B
A
Gotcha,
okay,
all
right
any
other
questions
or
comments
on
open
discussion
for
areas
to
prove
on
or
Focus.
A
All
right
moving
on
so
March
meeting,
so
I
am
not
available
to
be
at
the
March
meeting
and
I
know
neither
is
Rick
Freeman.
So
that's
already
two
of
us
that
are
not
going
to
be
available
so
wanted
to
discuss,
tabling
the
March
meeting
until
April
and
see
how
everybody
felt
about
that.
A
Is
that
something
we
would
vote
on?
Haley.
B
To
cancel
the
meeting,
yes,
we
would
a
motion
would
be
appropriate.
Okay,.
A
C
E
B
Let
me
just
refresh
the
page
real
quick
to
make
sure
nobody's
snuck
in
we
do
not
have
any
callers
on
the
line
for
public
comment
today.
A
A
B
I'll
have
to
see
what
the
city
has
going
on
for
the
holidays.
Sometimes
we
get
the
Friday,
and
sometimes
we
get
the
Monday,
but
it's
usually
Easter
Friday
that
we
get
so
I
think
we'll
be
open
and
operating
okay,
but
I'll
double
check
with
everybody
and
let
you
know
well
in
advance
but
I
think
I.
Think
April
10th
will
be
it
okay,
great
all
right!
Well,
thanks
everyone
good
seeing
everyone
all.